| IVOD_ID |
17606 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17606 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-22 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-22T08:34:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-22T17:33:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:58:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/bfaf9b39ac01a685eb0212237ce0bb19447001677712d451b5b204f4a37948b9d2da7c55d388f3155ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
（變更議程）立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：（上午9時起）
邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院食品安全辦公室、行政院消費者保護處、經濟部、法務部、國防部及教育部就「致癌食用油成因、流向、稽查、資訊公開、風險評估、團體訴訟、求償機制，行政法律究責、未來具體改進措施及期程等事宜」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院食品安全辦公室、教育部及農業部就「近期發布《農藥殘留容許量標準》(如其中蘋果芬普寧藥殘標準從0.5ppm放寬至3.0ppm等)之各項依據及修正標準」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
討論事項
一、審查行政院函送財團法人國家衛生研究院115年度工作計畫及收支預算案。
二、審查衛生福利部函送財團法人醫院評鑑暨醫療品質策進會等9家財團法人115年度預算書案。
【以上專題報告及預算案綜合詢答；預算案，僅詢答，115年7月30日下午5時截止收案】
（下午2時30分起，若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開）
三、繼續審查及審查「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」等73案。
(一)繼續審查行政院函請審議「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」案。
(二)繼續審查委員何欣純等17人擬具「國民年金法第五十四條之一及第五十五條條文修正草案」案。
(三)繼續審查委員邱鎮軍等17人擬具「國民年金法第十五條及五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
(四)繼續審查委員王美惠等18人擬具「國民年金法第五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
(五)繼續審查委員劉建國等16人擬具「國民年金法第五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
......（完整內容，詳見議事日程）
(六十四)審查委員高金素梅等18人擬具「國民年金法第三十一條、第五十三條及第五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
(六十五)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」案。
(六十六)審查委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」案。
(六十七)審查委員陳菁徽等18人擬具「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」案。
(六十八)審查委員賴士葆等25人擬具「國民年金法第五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
(六十九)審查委員廖偉翔等21人擬具「國民年金法第三十九條、第三十九條之一及第四十條條文修正草案」案。
(七十)審查委員涂權吉等18人擬具「國民年金法第五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
(七十一)審查委員林思銘等17人擬具「國民年金法第十五條、第三十一條及第五十條條文修正草案」案。
(七十二)審查國民黨黨團擬具「國民年金法第三十九條、第三十九條之一及第四十條條文修正草案」案。
(七十三)審查委員游顥等16人擬具「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」案。
【逐條討論，不詢答】） |
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買手機來節省 討節省啊 |
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mini就是S嘛 |
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跟委員的交代 |
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對 |
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他對我們很重要 |
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謝謝 |
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報告的話 |
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這一次看你們要找誰 |
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部長 |
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還是有小小的 |
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部長在嗎 |
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應該有來 |
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不知道誰在外面受罰 |
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我們可以先開始嗎 |
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不行 |
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一樣要9點開始 |
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我知道我說 |
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他在外面說 |
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最好是北海或是幾公斤 |
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去其他地方 |
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1520.36 |
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快一點點 |
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1528.08 |
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等一下 |
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1532.78 |
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來請 |
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1533.99 |
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邀請部長 |
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1550.97 |
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請 |
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1610.01 |
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謝謝 |
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1626.19 |
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謝謝 |
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1628.38 |
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1631.38 |
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萬一要不要 |
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1646.68 |
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1648.68 |
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現在開會請準密報告車駕人數 |
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1650.42 |
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1653.42 |
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報告委員會出席委員12人一組法病人數 |
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1654 |
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1656 |
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請醫生人員宣讀上次會議示錄 |
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1658.69 |
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1663.69 |
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立法院第11屆第5會期說服力及衛生環境委員會第19次全體委員會議示錄 |
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1663.69 |
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1666.69 |
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時間115年7月15日92分至15時22分 |
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1666.69 |
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1670.69 |
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地點群星樓801會議室出席委員王玉敏等14位委員 |
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1670.69 |
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1672.69 |
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練習委員賴士寶等12人 |
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1672.69 |
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1675.69 |
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練習關於衛生福利部部長時從兩級各相關 |
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1676.39 |
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1686.39 |
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單位主管主席林昭吉文月請報告事項宣讀上次會議示錄決定確定討論事項審查及繼續審查行政院含情審議 |
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1686.39 |
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1689.39 |
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政策及經濟及生態防治法部分條文修正草案等35案 |
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1690.57 |
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1693.57 |
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本次會議經委員黃建華秋慧入代表民眾黨黨團 |
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1693.57 |
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1696.57 |
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記錄縣議委員說明提案直去 |
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1696.57 |
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1700.57 |
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由衛生福利部部長石重量說明委員林月請等3人 |
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1700.57 |
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1704.57 |
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提出修正動議共8份修正動議決議 |
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1704.57 |
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1705.57 |
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1行政院含情審議 |
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1705.57 |
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1709.57 |
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《危害防治法》部分條文修正草案等30案 |
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1709.57 |
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1713.57 |
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審查完畢內容如審查結果並按擬據審查報告提報院會討論 |
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1713.57 |
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1717.57 |
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院會討論時有林昭吉文月請補充說明虛交黨團協商 |
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1717.57 |
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1721.57 |
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2本法案條次條文中援引條次及法制用與調整 |
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1721.57 |
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1723.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
授權議事人員整理 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1723.57 |
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1726.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
相關立法說明授權行政單位提供審查結果 |
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1726.57 |
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1730.57 |
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依照行政院提案通過第13條甄定第13條之一 |
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1732.25 |
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1737.25 |
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第15條第26條第31條第32條第37條甄定第37條之一 |
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1737.25 |
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1742.25 |
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第38條第40條甄定第42條之一甄定第42條之二 |
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1742.25 |
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1746.25 |
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甄定第45條之一及甄定第45條之二條文 |
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1746.25 |
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1750.25 |
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第9條照行政院提案及委員王振旭等4人 |
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1750.25 |
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1752.25 |
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所提修正動議修正通過如下 |
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1752.25 |
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1758.25 |
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第9條煙品指定煙品必要之組合原件品牌名稱及其容器不得使用或 |
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1758.25 |
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1763.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
加注氮煙低焦油或其他有誤導吸煙無害健康或 |
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1763.25 |
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1767.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
危害氫煤之魚之文字及標示但本法中華民國 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1767.25 |
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1772.25 |
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98年1月10日修正生效前以使用之品牌名稱不適用之 |
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1773.73 |
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1777.73 |
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煙品或指定煙品必要之組合原件之容器最大正面貨 |
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1778.76 |
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1784.76 |
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及反面明顯位置處因與中文標示吸煙有害健康之警示圖文及 |
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1784.76 |
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1788.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
建議相關資訊其標示不得低於該面積85% |
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1788.76 |
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1792.76 |
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前向警示圖文建議相關資訊標示之方式內容 |
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1792.76 |
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1796.76 |
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位置及其他因遵行事項這辦法由中央主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1797.39 |
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1801.39 |
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三維持現行條文第二條第三條第八條第十六條第 |
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1801.39 |
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1804.39 |
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三十六條第四十一條第四十二條及第四十三條 |
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1804.39 |
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1805.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
事不以真定 |
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1807.26 |
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1812.26 |
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一尾王一鳴等二十人提案第三章之一章名及第十五條之四條文二 |
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1813.3 |
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1818.3 |
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王一鳴等二十人提案及委員李坤誠但是九人提案第十五條之三條文 |
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1818.3 |
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1824.3 |
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吳保留一行正面提案增定第十五條之一增定第十五條之二增定 |
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1824.3 |
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1827.3 |
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第二十五條之一第二十五條之二第三十條 |
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1828.45 |
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1833.45 |
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增定第三十五條之一第四十四條及第四十七條條文及其對 |
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1833.45 |
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1839.45 |
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一提案條文二委員陳超明等三十人提案第七條及第十條條文 |
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1840.71 |
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1842.71 |
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吳保留之修正動議 |
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1846.95 |
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1848.95 |
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共七案七通過附帶決議二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
1848.95 |
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1851.95 |
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發保留附帶決議二項宣讀完畢 |
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1852.94 |
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1855.94 |
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請問委員會上次一聲有錯或有樂之處 |
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1857.29 |
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1858.29 |
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一聲確定 |
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1859.39 |
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1885.39 |
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本日會議上一成為邀請衛生福利部部長行政院食品安全辦公室行政院消費者保護處經濟部法務部國防部及教育部就自癌食用有成因留下稽查資訊公開風險評估團體輸送求償機制行政法律究責未來具體改善改進措施及期程等事宜進行專題報告並被質詢 |
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1886.44 |
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1895.44 |
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第二邀請衛生福利部部長行政院食品安全辦公室教育部及農業部就近期發布農藥殘留容許量標準 |
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1895.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
1896.44 |
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其中蘋果 |
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1897.98 |
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1903.98 |
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不分明藥殘標準從0.5ppm放寬至3.0ppm等 |
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1903.98 |
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1907.98 |
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各項依具體修正標準進行專題報告並被質詢 |
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1907.98 |
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1917.98 |
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三討論事項審查行政院韓送財團法人國家衛生研究院115年度工作計畫及收支預算案 |
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1917.98 |
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1928.98 |
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二審查衛生福利部韓送財團法人應用評鑑計醫療品質測進會等9家財團法人115年度預算書案 |
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1929.96 |
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1936.96 |
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下午議程為討論事項繼續審查及審查國民年輕法部分修正草案等73案 |
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1936.96 |
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1938.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
現在進行上午的議程 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
1938.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
1944.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
專題報告及討論事項第一、第二案採綜合詢討方式進行 |
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1947.32 |
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1950.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
接著再介紹在場官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
1951.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
1952.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
李銳全召委 |
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1955.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
1956.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
歡迎委員 |
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1957.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
1958.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
陳寅委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
1960.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
1961.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
王正旭委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
1962.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
1963.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
黃秀芳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
1965.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
1966.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
江瑞璇委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
1969.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
1970.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
施欽全委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
1972.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
1973.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
廖偉祥委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
1974.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
1975.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
陳金輝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
1976.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
1977.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
王立民委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
1979.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
1980.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
圖權級委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
1981.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
1983.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
接下來介紹的歷習官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
1983.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
1985.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
衛生福利部部長石成良 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
1987.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
1989.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
食藥署署長江志剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
1990.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
1992.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
會計處署長張玉蓁 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
1993.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
1995.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
國務院院長司徒惠康 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
1998.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
2002.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
財團法人醫療品質測驚會董事長詹尚淳 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
2005.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
2009.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
期望捐贈已止登錄及片原自主推廣中心董事長李明哲 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
2012.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
2017.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
財團法人周濟勳醫學研究發展基金會執行秘書鄭彥甫 |
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2019.45 |
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2020.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
財團法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
2021.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
2022.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
醫藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
2022.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
2025.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
查驗中心副執行長林守玉 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
2027.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
2028.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
財團法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
2028.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
2030.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
要害就基金會執行長陳文仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
2031.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
2032.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
財團法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
2034.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
2037.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
醫療財團法人病理發展基金會執行長顧文輝 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
2039.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
2041.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
財團法人正在基金會督導陳崇良 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
2044.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
2048.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
財團法人會證醫療就基金會執行秘書洪志誠 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
2050.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
2054.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
財團法人奉女權益促進發展基金會副執行長黃祥林 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
2054.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
2055.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
黃祥 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
2057.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
2060.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
行政院消費者保護處處長鍾瑞蘭 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
2062.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
2064.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
食品安全辦公室責任許甫 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
2066.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
2067.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
財團法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
2067.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
2069.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
經濟部發展署署長蘇文林 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
2072.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
2075.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
傳言發展署副署長劉氏凡 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
2077.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
2080.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
中小級新創企業署署長黃新怡 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
2083.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
2085.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
國營事業管理師專門委員缺萬斤 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
2087.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
2089.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
台壇股東宇相關司副總經理蔡東霖 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
2091.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
2093.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
法務部檢察師長張曉雯 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
2095.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
2097.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
所任檢察官蔡延真 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
2100.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
2102.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
國防部後勤參謀次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
2103.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
2105.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
處長賀志豪 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
2107.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
2109.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
政治作戰局處長邱華源 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
2112.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
2116.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
入軍後止部副使公運中心主任江振賢 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
2118.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
2120.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
教育部學情教育署副署長戴淑芬 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
2122.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
2124.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
徵規師專委呂宏林 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
2126.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
2128.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
農業部副署長陳鴻博 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
2130.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
2132.94 |
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農事署處長林水淵 |
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2135.01 |
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2137.01 |
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農業署副署長王文良 |
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2138.57 |
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2140.57 |
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主席總處基金預算處科長劉亞肥 |
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2146.24 |
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2151.24 |
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接下來請衛生福利部時部長就專題報告及討論事項一二案 |
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2151.24 |
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2152.24 |
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並按說明 |
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2161.97 |
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主席跟各位委員 |
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2161.97 |
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2168.97 |
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以下那麼衛福部就委員會所關心的一二案來做一個整體的說明 |
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2168.97 |
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第一案是有關於本次中聯大豆沙拉油的本扁皮超標事件 |
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2175.97 |
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2180.97 |
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目前的處理進度跟精進的措施 |
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2180.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
2188.97 |
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那麼這一次的中聯大豆油事件我們秉持的就是風險及時的掌握 |
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2188.97 |
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2191.97 |
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那麼從源頭直接控管 |
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2191.97 |
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2193.97 |
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然後下游追查回收 |
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2193.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
2197.97 |
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那麼來進行依法行政 |
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2197.97 |
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2199.97 |
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那麼資訊公開透明 |
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2199.97 |
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2204.97 |
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那麼全部的辦理的事件進度我們做以下的說明 |
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2204.97 |
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2205.97 |
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第一個呢 |
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2205.97 |
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2208.97 |
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在事件成因的部分 |
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2208.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
2211.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
那麼到目前的調查呈現 |
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2211.97 |
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2215.97 |
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中聯油脂未能夠有效的管控它的原料 |
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2215.97 |
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2217.97 |
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那麼以及在製程的部分 |
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2217.97 |
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2222.97 |
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那麼有多部沒有辦法有效的去監控這個本扁皮 |
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2222.97 |
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2230.97 |
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那麼也沒有積極的採取可去除這個精煉的一個程序 |
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2230.97 |
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2237.97 |
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那麼以致有多批到目前4到6月一共有驗出有7批那麼超標的情形 |
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2237.97 |
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2239.97 |
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那麼就其根本原因 |
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2242.97 |
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那麼也跟它的進口的黃豆 |
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2242.97 |
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2244.97 |
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那麼它的品質不良 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
2244.97 |
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2247.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
那麼有相當的關聯性 |
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2247.97 |
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2249.97 |
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那麼其次呢 |
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2249.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
2251.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
在流向的 |
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2253.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
2255.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
控制跟稽查的處理 |
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2255.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
2261.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
那麼我們採取這個風險動態風險調控的方式 |
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2261.35 |
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2268.35 |
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那麼在7月9號宣布了4到6月所有生產的30批的油品 |
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2268.35 |
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2271.35 |
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全面的預防性下架 |
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2271.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
2273.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
那麼其中呢有27批 |
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2273.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
2275.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
共2.8萬公噸 |
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2275.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
2279.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
那麼出貨到福茂福壽泰山等下游業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
2279.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
2281.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
那麼也都完成 |
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2281.35 |
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2284.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
那麼在7月10號中午12時 |
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2284.35 |
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2287.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
以前完成了預防性下架 |
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2287.35 |
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2291.35 |
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那麼之後呢我們雖然有陸續接獲 |
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2291.35 |
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2293.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
或者是檢驗出不合格的商品 |
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2293.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
2298.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
但是都已經在預防性下架的品項範圍內 |
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2298.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
2302.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
那到目前為止呢對於不合格的品項 |
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2302.35 |
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2306.35 |
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那麼回收了2771.2公噸 |
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2306.35 |
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2310.35 |
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預防性下架的達5314.9公噸 |
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2312.01 |
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2316.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
那麼這個第三呢在這個法律究責的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
2316.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
2319.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
那麼跟消費者的權益保障 |
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2319.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
2321.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
到7月17號 |
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2321.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
2325.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
那麼中聯因為違反了食安法的相關規定 |
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2325.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
2330.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
累計裁罰金額達1億7120萬元 |
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2330.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
2335.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
那麼相關的業者也都由地方衛生主管機關依法裁罰 |
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2335.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
2339.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
同時本案已經移送檢方偵辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
2339.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
2342.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
來追究其刑事責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
2342.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
2346.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
那麼本部呢也會協同行政院的消保會 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
2346.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
2351.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
來協助消費消保團體來提起團體的訴訟 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
2351.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
2354.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
那麼要求業者妥善的辦理退貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
2354.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
2357.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
跟損害的賠償保障消費者的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
2357.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
2360.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
那麼最後呢在制度改革的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
2360.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
2364.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
那麼我們將推動這個五項的強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
2364.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
2366.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
跟這個食安法的修法 |
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2366.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
2369.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
那麼食安法的修法目前擬定 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
2369.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
2371.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
已完成草案的擬定 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
2371.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
2373.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
跟行政院的初步審查 |
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2373.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
2376.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
修法重點呢有十個重點 |
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2376.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
2381.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
第一呢是增訂高風險的食品業者的自主檢驗頻率 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
2381.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
2385.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
那麼第二是增訂特定的食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
2385.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
2387.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
要自設實驗室 |
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2387.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
2391.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
並且需要取得中央主管機關的認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
2391.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
2397.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
那麼第三呢是增訂了這個實驗室的管理跟通報的義務 |
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2397.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
2401.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
那麼第四是增訂第三方驗證機構 |
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2401.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
2406.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
抽樣、實地機核以及通報的機制 |
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2406.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
2410.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
第五呢增訂地方主管機關 |
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2410.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
2414.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
那麼因依風險導向的查核機制 |
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2414.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
2420.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
那麼對業者要實施這個定期不定期的查核跟抽驗 |
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2420.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
2425.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
那麼第六是要強化業者異常通報的義務 |
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2425.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
2432.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
並且提高營利、延遲或不實通報的最高罰鍰是三千萬 |
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2432.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
2438.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
第七擴大高風險業者的追蹤追溯機制 |
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2438.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
2444.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
那麼第八那麼增訂罰鍰執行當中的保全機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
2444.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
2451.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
那麼避免受處分人營利、轉移財產或者是逃避執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
2451.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
2458.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
那麼第九也增訂了在對於重大食安事件中央的成立指揮中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
2458.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
2464.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
來統籌資源的整合調度跟重大食安事件的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
2464.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
2472.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
第十那麼明定這個違規的案件的下架還有預防性下架 |
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2472.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
2475.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
以及重新上架的原則 |
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2475.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
2482.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
那麼目前將在行政院這個審查完成之後來送交大院 |
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2482.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
2486.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
那麼屆時也請各位委員來予以支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
2486.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
2492.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
那麼本部會持續的精進相關的制度的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
2492.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
2495.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
完善整個食品安全的管理制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
2495.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
2499.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
來確保國人的食品安全跟消費者權益 |
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2499.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
2506.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
那麼有關第二案是近期在今年的4月份所公告的 |
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2506.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
2511.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
農藥殘留容許量標準的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
2511.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
2518.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
那麼本案是依據食品安全衛生管理法第15條第二項的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
2518.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
2524.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
那麼會商的農政機關共同訂立農藥殘留容許量 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
2524.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
2526.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
也就是MIL的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
2526.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
2531.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
那麼該標準的訂定的考量主要有兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
2531.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
2536.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
一個是會配合前端那麼由農業部所核准 |
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2536.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
2541.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
國內所使用的這個農藥的使用情形跟相關規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
2541.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
2550.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
那麼第二個考量是因應了在這個進口農產品的需求所提出的申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
2550.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
2556.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
那麼本案是在115年的1月間進行預告 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
2556.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
2560.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
那麼依規定預告60日那麼在預告期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
2560.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
2565.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
那麼並未收到其他的意見 |
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2565.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
2569.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
因此在4月21號正式公告 |
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2569.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
2576.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
共修訂了38種農藥174項殘留容許量的標準 |
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2576.99 |
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2587.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
其中有8種農藥54項是這個業者以及這個國外進口需要的產品的農藥殘留標準的修訂案 |
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2587.99 |
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2595.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
那麼另外有30種農藥120項為農業部受理業者申請的農藥登記 |
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2595.99 |
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2603.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
那麼因應國內農作物這個病蟲害防治及用藥需求那麼所修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
2603.99 |
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2608.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
那麼另外也刪除了1種農藥跟12項的殘留容許量 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
2608.99 |
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2621.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
那我國的農藥的殘留標準容許量的評估那麼是依據農藥的毒理還有它的殘留消退試驗的相關的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
2621.99 |
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2628.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
同時也參酌了國際間的標準以及長期短期設施風險的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
2649.57 |
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2654.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
這個是依據在111年間已經有提出的申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
2654.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
2658.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
歷經了3年的評估審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
2658.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
2666.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
基於這個所提送的符合審查需求的科學資料以及國際的評估原則跟工具評估 |
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2666.57 |
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2675.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
並且進行了長短期設施風險評估之後那麼所訂出它的安全範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
2675.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
2679.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
確認風險可接受之後才發布這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
2679.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
2687.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
那麼過去並沒有單獨所列項主要是列在其他梨果類的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
2687.57 |
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2695.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
所以這一次是把蘋果從過去的梨果類的這個大類那麼毒力列項 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
2695.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
2701.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
那麼依據的蘋果在栽種期間的田間殘留試驗數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
2701.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
2709.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
那麼訂定符合農民實際用藥情形的蘋果單獨列項的個別標準3ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
2709.57 |
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2711.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
那麼並非放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
2711.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
2715.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
那麼本次修正的農藥的殘留容許量標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
2715.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
2724.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
那麼在這個提到這個食品衛生安全及營養製疫會審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
2724.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
2732.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
也在經過預告期間未接獲這個任何對分補您的殘留容許量的這個評論意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
2732.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
2736.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
所以才會在4月21日正式的發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
2736.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
2744.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
那麼相關的會議紀錄也都公告在食藥署的網站來供大眾這個參閱 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
2744.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
2746.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
那麼以上一二案的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
2746.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
2749.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
那麼先做以上的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
2749.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
2751.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
那麼不論是在油品的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
2751.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
2756.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
或者是在訂定農藥的殘留容許量的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
2756.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
2760.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
那麼本部都是以科學為基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
2760.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
2763.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
那麼透過國內專業的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
2763.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
2769.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
參酌了國際的各項訂定的標準來做整體的衡量 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
2769.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
2773.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
那麼以維護國人健康為首要目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
2773.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
2778.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
嚴格把關食品中的各項安全殘餘量的訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
2778.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
2780.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
訂定標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
2780.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
2783.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
那麼再請各位委員給予指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
2783.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
2784.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
那麼以上報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
2785.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
2786.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
2809.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
2810.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
2810.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
2814.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
現在提案提變更進入議程 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
2814.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
2816.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
先就臨時提案優先處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
2817.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
2819.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
請問大家有沒有意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
2821.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
2824.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
有意就舉手表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
2827.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
2828.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
2833.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
2841.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
今天有巡達 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
2847.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
2849.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
沒關係我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
2849.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
2851.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
我們現在進行表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
2851.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
2853.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
採用舉手表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
2853.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
2856.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
表決前先請在場出席委員人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
2858.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
2860.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
2860.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
2862.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
2862.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
2864.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
2864.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
2866.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
直接表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
2867.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
2869.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
先休息個五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
2869.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
2871.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
直接表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
2871.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
2873.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
我們兩位已經看過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
2873.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
2874.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
表演開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
2874.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
2876.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
沒關係 趕快重新看 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
2876.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
2878.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
2878.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
2880.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
好 沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
2880.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
2882.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
你現在在場出席委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
2883.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
2885.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
2892.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
2894.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
所有人不還主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
2896.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
2898.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
來 贊成者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
2900.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
2901.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
現在是 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
2903.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
2904.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
先休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
2904.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
2905.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
先表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
2905.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
2906.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
2906.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
2907.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
先休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
2907.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
2909.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
我們也看表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
2910.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
2911.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
先休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
2911.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
2913.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
我們也看表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
2914.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
2917.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
主席 請要尊重我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
2917.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
2920.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
現在是表決休息的 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
2920.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
2921.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
是否 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
2923.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
2924.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
2924.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
2926.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
請給人數來進行表決 |
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2926.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
2927.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
採用舉手表決 |
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2927.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
2929.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
現在是採決那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
2930.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
2933.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
是否休息的這個決定 好吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
2933.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
2935.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
在場出席委員12人不還主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
2935.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
2938.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
現在開始表決11人 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
2939.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
2940.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
2941.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
2942.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
我們是要比案 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
2942.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
2944.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
不是用這個表決來 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
2946.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
2948.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
來 結束了而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
2948.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
2950.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
馬上要表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
2950.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
2951.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
合理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
2951.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
2953.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
2953.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
2955.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
尊重委員的權益好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
2955.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
2957.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
連經委員也是招委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
2960.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
2962.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
為什麼還要用表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
2963.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
2964.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
2969.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
2970.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
2971.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
2972.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
現在是 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
2972.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
2974.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
贊成休息的去舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
2978.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
2980.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
不認為應該用表決來 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
2980.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
2981.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
做什麼休不休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
2983.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
2985.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
不贊成休息的請舉手 |
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2985.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
2986.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
2991.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
2992.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
2994.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
2996.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
贊成休息的 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
2996.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
2998.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
贊成多數我們就不休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
2998.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
3000.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
現在我們進行表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
3000.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
3001.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
採用舉手表決 |
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3003.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
3004.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
表決前線清點 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
3004.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
3006.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
在場出席人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
3006.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
3007.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
在場出席人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
3012.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
3014.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
在場出席人11人 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
3015.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
3016.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
贊成就去舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
3018.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
3019.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
出席人是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
3023.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
3024.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
區會贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
3026.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
3027.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
反對的請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
3031.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
3032.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
好 表決結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
3032.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
3033.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
在場出席人11人 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
3033.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
3034.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
不含主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
3034.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
3035.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
贊成者7人 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
3035.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
3036.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
反對者4人 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
3038.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
3039.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
5人 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
3039.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
3040.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
贊成者多數通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
3042.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
3043.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
現在除了臨時敵案 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
3045.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
3047.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
請宣讀第一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
3051.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
3056.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
衛生福利部4月21日發布農藥殘留容許量標準修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
3056.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
3058.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
其中蘋果分鋪您 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
3058.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
3060.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
農藥殘留標準飆升6倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
3060.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
3063.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
從0.5ppm放寬至3.0ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
3063.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
3065.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
高於日本2.0ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
3065.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
3068.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
為歐盟0.01ppm的300倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
3068.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
3070.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
原此要求衛生福利部 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
3070.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
3071.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
於一週內 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
3071.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
3074.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
公開蘋果分鋪您農藥殘留標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
3074.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
3077.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
提高容許量至6倍的完整科學理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
3077.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
3080.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
說明醫學、毒理學及法規依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
3080.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
3083.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
二 公布各年齡層之完整風險評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
3083.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
3086.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
三 公開專家會議記錄及利益迴避資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
3086.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
3088.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
讓社會瞭解決策過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
3088.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
3092.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
四 建立重大農藥最大殘留容許量 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
3093.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
3095.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
五 調整公眾參與制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
3095.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
3097.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
於涉及大幅放寬容許量時 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
3097.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
3100.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
應辦理公聽會公開說明會及風險溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
3100.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
3103.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
而非僅以行政公告方式辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
3103.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
3105.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
五 重新檢討加嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
3105.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
3109.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
一五年4月21日公告之農藥殘留容許量標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
3109.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
3111.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
第三條附表一 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
3112.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
3115.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
衛生福利部未完成上述要求前主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
3115.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
3120.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
因暫緩正式公告時事分布明知殘留性標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
3120.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
3127.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
提案委員盧憲一、王玉敏、蘇清泉、圖全及陳金輝、廖偉翔、邱振軍、邱慧如 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
3127.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
3128.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
提案二 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
3128.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
3132.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
有鑒於中聯有止致癌毒油奇臺風暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
3132.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
3134.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
有毒致癌油品全臺流竄 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
3134.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
3138.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
甚至其中一批消網、南韓、檢體無留存 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
3138.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
3143.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
衛生福利部已通報下游並告知韓方已衍生出國際風波 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
3143.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
3148.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
此事件曝露出政府所謂的層層食安把關根本漏洞百出 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
3148.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
3151.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
日前衛生福利部審評要務管理署 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
3151.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
3154.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
竟公布中聯有止四至六月油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
3154.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
3158.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
其中十九批油品即日起可重新上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
3158.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
3161.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
對此地方首長紛紛表達沒有真相沒有上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
3161.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
3166.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
民國一零三年爆發頂新低價列直油混入食用油事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
3166.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
3170.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
在野民進黨高喊只要有一滴問題油 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
3170.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
3175.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
不管第幾層下油不管風險多低全部都要預防性下架全面公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
3175.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
3180.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
時任立委的蔡其昌陳其邁當年痛批行政院長江一樺 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
3180.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
3184.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
政院未先採取預防性下架反而包批大廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
3184.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
3189.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
江奎獨執該自我下架負責席臺南市長賴清德面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
3189.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
3193.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
重大油品食安風暴時提出食安及國安的強烈訴求 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
3193.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
3198.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
要求中央政府必須為此負責並要求民眾對問題產品做到不滿 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
3199.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
3203.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
不吃不用賴市長如今已貴為總統今再次發生重大 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
3203.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
3207.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
食安事件雖對獨有風暴表明該就責就就責絕不寬貸 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
3209.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
3213.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
行政院長卓榮泰一表達希望儘快向國人報告事件全貌 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
3213.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
3217.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
為民情激憤強烈要求賴州政府比照當年 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
3217.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
3221.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
頂新油事件一致標準處理原此要見請 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
3221.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
3227.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
院會做成決議針對中聯油脂致癌毒油席臺連環爆事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
3227.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
3231.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
國人迄今看不到真相政府企圖開牌並欲甩鍋地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
3231.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
3235.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
政府原要求賴州政府比照103年頂新油事件標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
3235.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
3239.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
緊述處理並全面查明流向與真相前不得讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
3239.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
3243.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
問題有品重新上架壓明新並緊述建立退貨及補償機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
3245.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
3249.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
提案委員盧憲一王玉敏蘇清泉圖權及陳金輝廖偉祥 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
3249.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
3251.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
邱振軍邱慧如宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
3254.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
3255.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
3256.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
3256.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
3262.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
3262.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
3263.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
3265.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
好 請國務部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
3270.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
3272.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
跟委員會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
3272.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
3276.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
那麼有關這個提案裡面提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
3276.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
3282.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
我們目前已經完成所有的預防性下架的油品的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
3282.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
3284.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
也就是四到六月間呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
3284.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
3288.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
那麼中聯一共製造了30批的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
3288.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
3292.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
那中間我們有7批驗出是超標不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
3292.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
3296.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
那麼1批另外有3批呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
3296.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
3300.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
目前呢還是在這個油廠裡面沒有出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
3300.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
3304.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
那麼所以我們一共有19批 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
3305.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
3310.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
那麼已經都通過我們的足皮檢驗的查驗結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
3310.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
3313.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
所以我們現在所宣布的重新下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
3313.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
3315.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
都是安全的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
3315.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
3319.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
通過了我們的足皮檢驗的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
3319.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
3321.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
那麼並不是問題油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
3321.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
3325.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
所以要再一次的跟所有的委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
3325.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
3327.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
所以這個以 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
3327.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
3332.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
這個食安民眾的這個食安優先 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
3332.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
3338.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
那麼讓這個合格的產品經過檢驗之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
3338.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
3339.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
那麼安全的上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
3339.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
3343.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
所以跟委員會所提到的那麼是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
3343.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
3346.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
我們不會讓問題油品上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
3346.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
3350.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
所以這個請各位委員放心 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
3350.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
3355.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
那麼至於這個農藥的殘留容許量 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
3355.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
3359.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
那麼就如同我剛剛在口頭報告裡面也提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
3359.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
3364.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
那麼這個是都經過了相當長的一段時間的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
3364.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
3369.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
那麼也踐行了這個法規的預告程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
3369.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
3372.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
也是按照標準60天的預告 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
3372.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
3374.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
那麼在預告期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
3374.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
3377.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
那麼也沒有其他的這個意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
3377.53 |
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3382.53 |
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那麼當然在今天的提案裡面要求我們去公開 |
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3382.53 |
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3388.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
這個蘋果的分布你農藥的殘留標準的完整科學理由 |
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3388.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
3389.53 |
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包含 |
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3390.84 |
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3392.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
醫學、毒理學、法規依據 |
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3392.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
3395.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
這個我們都會按照這樣來辦 |
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3395.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
3398.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
因為本來就是如此來進行的 |
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3398.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
3403.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
那麼公開這個公布各年齡層的完整風險評估報告 |
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3403.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
3406.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
這個我們也可以遵照來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
3406.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
3409.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
至於專家會議紀錄跟利益迴避資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
3409.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
3413.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
我們會議紀錄都已經公開在食藥署的網站當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
3415.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
3416.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
至於呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
3418.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
3419.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
法規來 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
3419.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
3422.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
調整這個公眾的參與制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
3422.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
3426.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
那麼辦理這個公聽會公開說明跟風險溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
3426.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
3431.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
這個我們可以來未來再進行相關的法規標準調整的時候 |
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3431.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
3433.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
那麼來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
3433.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
3434.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
至於說 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
3438.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
3439.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
重新去 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
3440.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
3441.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
檢討這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
3442.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
3443.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
公告的 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
3447.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
3449.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
重新公告的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
3450.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
3452.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
這個龍六龍 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
3451.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
3454.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
農藥殘留容許量的標準 |
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3456.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
3460.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
那麼因為都已經完成了前面的這些程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
3460.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
3464.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
那麼是不是要暫緩 |
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3464.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
3468.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
那麼一定要有不同的這個證據 |
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3468.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
3470.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
科學的證據出現 |
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3470.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
3472.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
不然我們再重新做一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
3472.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
3475.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
也是這樣的這個科學評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
3475.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
3478.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
所以要請委員會呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
3478.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
3480.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
那麼再重新來 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
3481.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
3483.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
考慮因為這個已經是正式公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
3483.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
3485.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
那麼如果要調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
3485.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
3489.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
那麼必須要有一些新的科學證據來佐證 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
3489.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
3491.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
那麼不然這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
3491.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
3493.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
這個已經公告了暫緩實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
3493.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
3495.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
那麼也必須要具體的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
3495.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
3497.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
3498.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
3500.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
請問部長有沒有文字修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
3509.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
3511.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
請問委員有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
3513 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
3515 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
有一件就進行表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
3517.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
3519.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
3519.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
3521.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
沒關係我們先請食藥署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
3534.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
3537.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
各位委員大家早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
3537.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
3541.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
那針對剛才部長提到的委員會裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
3541.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
3544.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
希望在一個一週內公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
3544.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
3547.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
蘋果、芬普尼農藥殘留標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
3547.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
3551.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
提高損取量至六倍的完整科學理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
3551.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
3554.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
說明醫學、毒理學及法規的依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
3554.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
3558.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
這部分應該是可以依照這樣子的辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
3558.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
3560.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
第二部分是公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
3560.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
3562.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
因為評估的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
3562.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
3565.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
針對特定的年齡族群的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
3565.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
3567.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
蘋果農產品的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
3567.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
3568.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
我們在評估的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
3568.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
3572.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
其實不會針對各個所有農產品是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
3572.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
3575.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
其實是沒有特別針對所謂的農產品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
3575.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
3577.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
每一項的各個年齡的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
3577.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
3581.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
我們是用OECD的Calculator裡面去進行去試算 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
3581.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
3584.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
是否可以公布完整風險評估的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
3584.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
3587.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
這邊讓各位委員參酌 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
3587.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
3591.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
所以刪除掉各年齡層之五個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
3591.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
3597.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
第三個公布公開專家學者會議的紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
3597.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
3600.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
讓社會了解整個決策過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
3600.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
3603.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
我想這部分我們是否可以把 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
3603.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
3606.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
中間的文字叫及利益迴避等資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
3606.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
3608.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
因為這些本來就是利益迴避 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
3608.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
3612.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
這些委員專家我們在內部的時候已經都確定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
3612.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
3617.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
對於第四點是否可以針對建立重大 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
3617.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
3621.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
我想說應該是每一個農藥的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
3621.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
3623.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
我們都是非常慎重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
3623.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
3627.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
是否可以改成強化農藥最大的殘留容許標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
3628.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
3630.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
加兩個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
3630.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
3635.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
然後MIL公眾溝通的相關議題公眾溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
3635.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
3639.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
至於後續的因為每一個農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
3639.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
3643.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
舉個例子我們111年取得申請提出申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
3643.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
3645.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
其實經過三年 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
3645.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
3647.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
3646.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
3651.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
三天三個月是三年最後在110 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
3652.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
3658.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
四年九月份還在我們的自議會裡面討論確立 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
3658.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
3661.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
自議會的委員其實都是專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
3661.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
3664.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
專家評估之前也在國內的農藥所 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
3664.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
3667.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
作為最專業的評估之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
3667.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
3669.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
評估出來的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
3669.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
3673.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
作為最後的一個我們委員的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
3673.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
3674.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
以及判定的基準 |
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3674.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
3681.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
所以這個過程當中其實是都已經有進行的相對的風險的評估確立 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
3681.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
3683.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
如果這個過程中每一個農藥 |
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3683.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
3686.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
每一個相關的其實農藥只是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
3686.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
3690.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
有非常非常多的所謂的動物用藥農業用藥的 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
3690.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
3698.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
這個訂定的標準可能會進一步影響到國人在使用所有的農產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
3698.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
3699.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
續產品等等 |
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3700.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
3703.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
的這個流程當中的一些影響 |
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3703.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
3709.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
所以這邊特別提到說我們能不能加強我們的公眾溝通這邊做說明 |
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3709.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
3712.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
那第五點的部分特別提到的是 |
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3712.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
3716.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
所以我們希望加上公眾溝通後面的參與制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
3716.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
3723.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
那即涉及大幅放寬容許量時應辦公聽會公開說明會跟風險溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
3723.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
3727.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
及非僅以行政公告的方式辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
3727.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
3732.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
那我們可以在公告的時候其實同時在農藥的議題上面 |
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3733.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
3738.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
作為相對的所謂的利害關係者都可以予以及早的通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
3738.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
3740.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
讓他們知道公告的內涵跟內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
3740.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
3742.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
這部分我們可以額外的辦理 |
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3742.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
3749.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
但是可不可以把後面的調整公眾的參與制度我們改成公眾溝通之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
3749.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
3754.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
其他的部分我們是另外的對於利害關係者予以說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
3754.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
3756.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
對於特別提到的第五項 |
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3756.57 |
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3760.57 |
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那個試測到因為在制度上面我們針對5月 |
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3760.57 |
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3764.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
今年115年4月21日公告的農藥殘留容許標準 |
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3764.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
3769.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
那的第三裡面的第三條附表一裡面 |
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3769.57 |
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3773.57 |
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衛福部在特別提到未完成上述要求之前 |
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3773.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
3779.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
我想在這個公告的原則我們是用其實是一致性的 |
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3779.57 |
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3783.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
所以OECD的計算公式裡面我們怎麼算 |
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3783.57 |
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3786.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
這個數字算起來按照國內的飲食的習慣 |
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3786.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
3791.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
那我們其實有兩個部分一個田間的可能的容許 |
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3792 |
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3796 |
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那加上我們的設施量整個算起來的OECD的 |
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3796 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
3798 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
它其實是一套非常完整的公式 |
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3798 |
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3799 |
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不是 |
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3799.54 |
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3803.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
不是用說覺得是3還覺得是4、5覺得是2 |
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3803.54 |
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3806.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
不是它算計算出來的一個結果 |
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3806.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
3808.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
進行最後的公告 |
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3808.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
3810.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
就如同剛才署部長提到的 |
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3810.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
3814.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
如果已經是經過這麼嚴謹的評估先計算之後的結果 |
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3814.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
3816.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
如果下次算出來是不一樣的 |
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3816.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
3818.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
其實反而是很奇怪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
3820.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
3822.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
所以我們針對這個部分 |
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3822.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
3825.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
已經公告的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
3825.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
3828.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
建起說第五項的部分是不是予以刪除 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
3828.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
3829.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
3831.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
3833.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
修正文字我也內建 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
3836.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
3838.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
請問這區委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
3847.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
3849.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
3849.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
3853.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
根據目前我們所看到的這個靈體的第一案 |
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3853.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
3858.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
我們也了解對這個農藥的殘留容許標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
3858.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
3861.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
事實上是經過非常嚴謹的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
3861.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
3864.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
專家也提出了相關的意見以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
3864.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
3867.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
我們才定出看到這個最後公告的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
3867.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
3870.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
那我這邊是比較特別的想要了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
3870.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
3874.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
我們主管機關對於在這個臨時提案裡面的中間 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
3874.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
3879.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
那一段有關於毒蘋果這三個字如何來解讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
3879.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
3883.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
如果用毒蘋果這三個字讓民眾的感受會是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
3883.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
3885.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
如何能夠讓民眾了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
3885.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
3891.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
經過專家大家共同公告出來的這些內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
3891.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
3892.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
如果有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
3892.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
3894.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
用毒蘋果這三個字來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
3896.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
3900.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
表述是不是合這邊也要麻煩主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
3900.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
3903.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
針對於這個臨時提案的這幾個內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
3903.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
3905.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
還要加進一步的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
3905.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
3908.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
因為我們也了解說把人民的身體 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
3908.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
3910.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
當作毒品實驗室來對待 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
3910.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
3914.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
這個字眼其實也是值得去商榷的 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
3914.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
3918.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
我們都了解我自己本身在這個醫療服務過程裡面 |
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3918.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
3922.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
我們常常需要進行一些所謂的臨床試驗等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
3922.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
3925.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
可是我們這邊看到這個人民的身體 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
3925.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
3928.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
身體當作毒品實驗室這樣的字眼 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
3928.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
3930.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
如果呈現在這個臨時提案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
3930.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
3934.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
主管機關如何能夠說明的更清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
3934.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
3937.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
也讓這個臨時提案在這個處理過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
3937.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
3940.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
是可以讓我們將來在討論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
3940.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
3943.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
尤其是主管機關在表達立場的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
3943.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
3946.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
也能夠讓這樣的文字說明可以更為明確 |
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3946.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
3947.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
3950.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
3952.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
請月清再會 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
3962.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
3965.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
同樣的我也是對於所謂什麼叫毒蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
3965.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
3970.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
這個人也真的是要麻煩我們的衛部長清楚說明白 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
3970.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
3972.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
不過真的是讓人家很多誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
3972.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
3976.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
尤其是我們現在針對蘋果的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
3976.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
3979.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
分普寧殘留容許量的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
3979.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
3982.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
這邊大概有說明和美國日本韓國相比 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
3982.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
3984.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
到底哪個比較嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
3984.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
3987.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
從這邊搭提案有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
3987.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
3989.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
那我們就直接稱這個叫作毒蘋果嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
3989.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
3991.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
那如果這樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
3991.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
3993.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
是不是我們講美國韓國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
3993.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
3995.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
甚至日本的也是毒蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
3995.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
3997.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
只要超過零點五的都叫作毒蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
3997.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
3999.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
所以我想說要把它定義清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
3999.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
4001.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
另外一個也要問衛福部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
4001.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
4003.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
這邊提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
4003.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
4005.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
也就是說你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
4007.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
4008.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
沒有做到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
4008.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
4010.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
像公開蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
4010.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
4014.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
分普寧農藥的殘留標準容許量到六倍的 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
4014.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
4018.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
那個科學完整的理由是沒有去做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
4018.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
4020.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
甚至有沒有針對醫學 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
4020.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
4023.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
毒理學根治法規的一些依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
4023.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
4027.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
還有你們的專家會議過去一直 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
4027.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
4029.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
有沒有委員去調資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
4029.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
4032.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
你們完全不提供也都不給他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
4032.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
4034.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
多久的時間他們每一次都去調 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
4034.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
4036.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
然後你們都沒有給 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
4036.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
4038.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
所以這次會提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
4038.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
4040.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
要公開這些會議記錄是 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
4040.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
4042.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
曾經有委員去調了然後沒有給 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
4042.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
4044.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
甚至你們立意迴避的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
4044.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
4046.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
也通通都是沒有提供嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
4046.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
4049.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
因為他說要讓社會了解決策過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
4050.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
4054.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
長達多久是從這11屆的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
4054.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
4056.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
委員進來就一直在調資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
4056.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
4058.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
可是你們從來都不提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
4058.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
4060.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
所以我想理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
4060.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
4062.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
甚至提到說 |
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4062.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
4066.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
那這些東西到底整個的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
4066.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
4068.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
因為最近民眾發質疑說 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
4068.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
4070.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
這次是不是因為美國要求 |
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4070.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
4072.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
所以台灣才調整標準 |
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4072.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
4074.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
部長也要說明一下這一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
4074.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
4076.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
容許量到底是什麼時候開始研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
4076.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
4078.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
什麼時候預告的 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
4078.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
4080.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
做正式公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
4080.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
4082.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
也開始研議到正式公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
4082.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
4084.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
到底中間經歷了多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
4084.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
4086.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
那程序是否真的是充分公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
4086.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
4090.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
那預告期間有多少專家學者提出了一些意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
4090.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
4092.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
還有多少民間團體提出反對或修正意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
4092.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
4094.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
那你最後採納了什麼樣意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
4094.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
4096.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
那提案二我就不太理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
4096.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
4098.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
因為為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
4098.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
4100.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
因為我們這次是委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
4100.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
4102.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
這邊寫的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
4102.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
4104.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
建請院會做成決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
4104.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
4106.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
我們這到底是委員會還是院會 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
4106.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
4108.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
我不太理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
4108.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
4110.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
因為我們大家都同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
4111.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
4113.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
4113.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
4115.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
不會期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
4115.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
4117.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
我們如果問題的由 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
4117.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
4119.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
要重新下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
4119.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
4121.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
我想這個大家都一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
4121.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
4123.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
可是真的要去講清楚說明白 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
4123.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
4125.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
4123.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
4125.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
好謝謝李育勤再會 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
4125.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
4127.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
接下來請陳金輝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
4133.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
4135.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
各位委員官員主席大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
4135.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
4137.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
剛剛署長有特別講到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
4137.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
4139.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
他對於4月公佈的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
4139.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
4141.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
農藥殘留值 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
4141.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
4143.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
他對每一個品項的年齡 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
4143.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
4145.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
風險評估是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
4145.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
4147.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
我就要在這邊跟大家講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
4147.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
4149.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
4149.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
4151.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
首先我們來講分譜泥是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
4151.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
4153.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
他是農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
4153.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
4155.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
如果不慎使用過量的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
4155.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
4157.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
可能會發生皮膚刺痛頭痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
4157.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
4159.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
嚴重的時候全身抽搐 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
4159.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
4161.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
癱瘓或呼吸影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
4161.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
4163.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
他不使國際上認為分譜泥 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
4163.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
4165.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
不太可能對人類致癌 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
4165.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
4167.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
像我們今天討論的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
4167.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
4169.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
致癌有樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
4169.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
4171.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
但是不代表分譜泥無毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
4171.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
4177.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
今年4月公告這個農藥的殘留值允許的這個修正內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
4177.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
4181.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
他把分譜泥做了殘留的劑量調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
4181.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
4183.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
原本在梨果適用同樣標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
4183.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
4185.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
4185.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
4187.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
我去看了每一樣的水果 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
4187.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
4189.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
蘋果是唯一 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
4189.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
4191.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
殘留量提高的水果 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
4191.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
4195.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
由原本的0.5ppm到3ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
4195.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
4198.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
但是一樣列出來的櫻桃是下修 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
4198.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
4201.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
他是從5ppm下修到3ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
4201.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
4205.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
下面我們要去看他後面描述的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
4205.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
4207.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
他後面描述內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
4207.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
4209.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
櫻桃寫得非常詳細 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
4209.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
4212.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
他明確的指出部分年齡層 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
4212.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
4215.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
這個應該是指的是比較脆弱的 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
4215.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
4217.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
或者是兒童等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
4217.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
4222.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
短期取食風險超過100% AR50 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
4222.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
4226.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
白話文就講說特定年齡層如果一口氣吃比較多 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
4226.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
4231.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
攝取的分譜泥高機率會超過短期安全的上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
4231.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
4235.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
而這些東西你沒有寫在蘋果裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
4235.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
4237.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
那我今天就想問說 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
4237.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
4242.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
為什麼你不同的水果後面描述的內容差這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
4242.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
4246.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
那我們也會想要知道特定族群如果短期內吃了 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
4246.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
4248.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
很多的話有什麼風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
4248.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
4250.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
蘋果後面沒有描述 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
4250.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
4252.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
所以我們的提案是很合理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
4252.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
4253.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
4258.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
4259.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
4261 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
4264 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
請問有人對行車機關的修正文字有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
4268.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
4269.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
4271.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
4275.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
所以有的人去能夠維持提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
4275.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
4278.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
那就現在委員提案採取點名表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
4280.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
4282.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
你們國內有一間專門所長 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
4283.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
4285.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
我們就維持原提案了 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
4285.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
4287.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
再點名表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
4287.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
4289.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
你們反對就反對我們下次就在那裡採訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
4294.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
4296.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
知道啊第三案喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
4296.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
4297.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
4298.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
4299.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
4300 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
4304 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
我們針對第二線委員提案採取點名表決請問有無異議 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
4307.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
4309.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
那我們就採點名表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
4320.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
4321.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
4323.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
4324.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
4329.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
4331.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
我們一樣一樣下次進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
4333.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
4334.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
我們也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
4334.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
4336.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
我講一下我沒有要反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
4336.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
4337.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
4338.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
4341.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
我們所有的提案都先唸過 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
4342.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
4344.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
有唸過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
4346.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
4347.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
4349.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
4350.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
4352.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
4353.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
提上案 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
4353.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
4354.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
聲明提上案 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
4355.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
4356.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
正在應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
4360.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
4362.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
4370.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
4372.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
你們的案子早也提啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
4377.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
4379.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
好沒關係我們針對第一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
4379.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
4381.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
做點名表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
4383.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
4384.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
4385.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
4387.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
來啦先處理了 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
4387.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
4389.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
一樣一樣先處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
4389.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
4391.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
第三案再宣布 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
4391.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
4393.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
4396.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
4397.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
4400.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
4402.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
我們先處理第二案 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
4402.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
4404.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
我們現在進行表決採用點名表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
4404.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
4406.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
依立法院點名表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
4406.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
4409.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
辦法相關規定以出席委員簽到不為明策 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
4409.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
4410.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
由出席 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
4410.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
4412.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
由本席依簽到不 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
4412.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
4414.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
持續簽名 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
4414.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
4416.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
在場委員簽到姓名時 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
4416.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
4418.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
贊成者請起立答 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
4418.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
4420.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
贊成反對者 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
4420.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
4421.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
起立答反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
4421.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
4422.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
起庭者 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
4422.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
4423.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
起立答 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
4423.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
4424.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
去全 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
4424.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
4426.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
依該辦法第六條第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
4426.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
4427.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
4430.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
4432.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
依一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
4432.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
4433.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
主席姓名時名 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
4433.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
4436.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
註實表決全之行使 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
4436.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
4437.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
依立法院之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
4437.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
4438.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
第六條後段 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
4438.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
4439.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
這規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
4439.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
4440.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].start |
4440.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
4442.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
第一級進行計算宣告結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
4443.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
4449.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
請不吝點贊訂閱轉發打賞支持明鏡與點點欄目 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
4445.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
4447.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
李玉琴委員贊成或反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
4449.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
4450.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
4452.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
4454.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
我是陳慶輝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
4455.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
4456.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
邱慧如委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
4456.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
4457.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
4457.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
4458.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
王玉冰委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
4458.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
4459.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].start |
4462.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
4464.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
林淑芬委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
4464.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
4465.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
邱正君委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
4467.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
4468.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
王正趣委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
4470.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
4471.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
圖群集委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
4473.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
4474.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
書青全委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
4476.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
4477.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
亮榮小幕員 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
4477.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
4478.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
黃謝方委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
4480.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
4481.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
陳永永委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
4495.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
4496.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
陳永永委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
4497.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
4498.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
不在啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
4498.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
4501.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
這個陳永永 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
4501.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
4502.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
念過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
4502.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
4503.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
劉建國委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
4509.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
4514.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
請不吝點贊訂閱轉發打賞支持明鏡與點點欄目 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
4511.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
4516.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
請不吝點贊訂閱轉發打賞支持明鏡與點點欄目 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
4512.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
4517.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
請不吝點贊訂閱轉發打賞支持明鏡與點點欄目 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
4517.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
4522.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
這場出行的人11人不含準時贊成者7人反對者4人 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
4522.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
4525.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
贊成者多數過半本案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
4528.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
4529.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
現在進行第二案 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
4534.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
4537.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
進行的機關說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
4539.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
4541.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
這麼過了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
4548.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
4550.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
4550.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
4553.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
所有都是安全的油品才會上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
4553.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
4556.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
不安全的油品是不會上架的 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
4556.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
4561.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
所以這個是現在中央跟地方共同努力做到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
4561.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
4564.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
所以在文字裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
4564.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
4567.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
沒有完全查明真相 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
4567.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
4568.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
留相 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
4568.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
4571.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
留相之前不得讓問題油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
4571.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
4575.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
我們現在做的事情就是讓安全的油品上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
4575.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
4578.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
也不會讓問題油品上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
4578.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
4582.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
所以這個部分我想再一次的再重申 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
4582.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
4585.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
另外這個退貨跟補償 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
4585.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
4589.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
那麼對於這些問題的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
4589.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
4593.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
應由製造這個問題油品的廠商去負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
4593.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
4596.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
不應該由全民來負擔這個補償 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
4596.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
4598.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
所以這個應該要堅守 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
4598.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
4602.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
所以這個補償機制也不應該是由政府來替他補償 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
4602.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
4604.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
應該由廠商來負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
4604.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
4607.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
所以這個我們是應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
4608.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
4614.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
這個提案我們是建議這邊文字上都應該可以刪除 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
4617.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
4619.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
各位我們也預備見 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
4632.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
4634.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
好就照樣通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
4640.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
4642.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
就照樣通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
4648.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
4650.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
就跟前一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
4650.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
4652.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
就跟前一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
4652.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
4654.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
就自製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
4654.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
4656.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
就自製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
4656.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
4658.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
就自製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
4660.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
4663.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
是否照行政機關修正文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
4663.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
4665.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
我也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
4665.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
4667.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
對啊我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
4667.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
4670.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
我說是不是就照行政機關修正的文字通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
4670.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
4672.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
4675.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
4677.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
那就按照委員的提案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
4677.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
4679.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
4679.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
4683.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
好請問委員有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
4686.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
4688.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
好請 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
4688.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
4690.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
請收長 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
4691.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
4693.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
好主席各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
4693.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
4695.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
針對這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
4695.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
4697.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
我們特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
4697.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
4699.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
剛才部長所提的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
4699.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
4702.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
問題的油品都不會上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
4702.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
4705.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
目前7P的油品都全面的下架了 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
4705.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
4707.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
所以這邊是不是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].start |
4707.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
4711.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
在我們倒數的第二行的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].start |
4711.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
4715.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
我們特別提到不得讓問題油品重新上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
4715.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
4717.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
這是我們衛福部的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
4717.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
4722.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
是不是可以再寫說衛福部不得讓問題油品重新上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
4722.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
4724.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
這第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
4724.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
4726.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
在前面一行 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
4726.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
4728.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
我們特別提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].start |
4730.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
4731.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
我念一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].start |
4731.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
4734.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
原要求賴政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
4734.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
4736.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
賴卓政府比照103年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].start |
4736.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
4738.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
頂新油事件標準儘速辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
4740.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
4744.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
刪除未全面查明流向與真相前 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].start |
4744.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
4745.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
刪除豆好 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
4745.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
4748.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
不得讓問題油品重新上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
4748.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
4750.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
以安民心 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
4750.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
4753.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
並請行政院消保處 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
4754.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
4756.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
盡速建立退貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
4758.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
4759.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
巨號 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
4759.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
4760.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
是否有當 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].start |
4761.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
4762.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
行公決案 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].start |
4762.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
4764.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
大概是這樣子的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
4773.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
4775.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
意思都一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
4775.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
4777.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
好啦好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
4777.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
4778.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
照委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
4778.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
4780.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
委員遞案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].start |
4780.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
4781.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
有議論就表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].start |
4781.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
4783.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
照委員遞案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].start |
4783.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
4786.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
照委員遞案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
4786.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
4788.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
照委員你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
4788.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
4790.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
照委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].start |
4790.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
4792.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
照委員文字通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].start |
4792.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
4794.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
照委員遞案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].start |
4794.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
4796.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
對人 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
4796.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
4798.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
照委員遞案通過有免疫 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
4800.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
4802.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
現在進行點名表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
4805.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
4806.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
有意義既然有意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
4806.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
4808.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
我們就針對是否採取點 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
4808.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
4810.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
就是點名表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
4810.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
4812.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
對點名表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
4812.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
4813.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
有沒有意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
4813.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
4816.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
我們就採取點名表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
4821.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
4822.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
這個點很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
4822.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
4823.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
給他好笑一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
4824.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
4825.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].start |
4825.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
4826.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
各位同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
4826.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
4829.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
我們對 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].start |
4829.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
4830.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
我們對 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
4830.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
4831.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
來點名表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
4831.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
4833.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
沒有意見是 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
4833.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
4834.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
不是說這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
4834.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
4835.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
你們要處理的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].start |
4836.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
4838.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
4838.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
4840.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
希望前面文字修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
4843.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
4845.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
沒有意見他就通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
4845.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
4847.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
沒有意見就通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].start |
4847.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].end |
4849.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
有沒有意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].start |
4849.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
4851.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
有沒有意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].start |
4851.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].end |
4853.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].text |
我們都也在為了你 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].start |
4853.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].end |
4855.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].text |
不要讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].start |
4855.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].end |
4856.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].start |
4856.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].end |
4858.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].text |
對點名表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].start |
4858.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].end |
4859.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].start |
4859.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].end |
4860.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
有沒有意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].start |
4860.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].end |
4861.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].start |
4866.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].end |
4868.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].text |
對我們進行點名表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].start |
4868.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].end |
4869.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].text |
有意義請委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].start |
4879.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].end |
4881.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].text |
現在點名表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].start |
4881.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].end |
4882.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
林月琴委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].start |
4886.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].end |
4887.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].text |
陳金輝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].start |
4889.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].end |
4890.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].text |
邱慧如委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].start |
4890.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].end |
4891.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
王玉明委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].start |
4893.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
4894.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
林淑芬委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].start |
4895.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
4896.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
邱政軍委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].start |
4896.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
4898.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
王振旭委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].start |
4901.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
4902.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].text |
圖權級委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].start |
4904.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].end |
4905.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
蘇清泉委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].start |
4906.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].end |
4908.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
廖偉祥委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].start |
4908.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].end |
4909.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
黃秀芳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].start |
4912.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].end |
4913.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
陳銀委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].start |
4916.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].end |
4917.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].text |
劉建國委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].start |
4921.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].end |
4923.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].text |
他們沒有加文 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].start |
4927.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].end |
4928.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
4930.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].end |
4931.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].start |
4933.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].end |
4934.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].text |
在場出席委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].start |
4934.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].end |
4936.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
石毅仁不凡主席贊成者 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].start |
4936.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].end |
4937.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].text |
七人表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
4937.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].end |
4938.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].text |
結果贊成者 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].start |
4939.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].end |
4940.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].text |
多謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].start |
4940.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].end |
4941.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].text |
第二通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].start |
4943.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].end |
4944.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
現在進行第三案 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
4945.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].end |
4946.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].text |
請宣誓第三案 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].start |
4949.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].end |
4952.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].text |
針對中聯郵局本篇筆超標事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].start |
4952.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].end |
4954.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
要求衛生福利部儘速處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
4954.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].end |
4956.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
在查明流向與真相前 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].start |
4956.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
4958.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
不合格郵品維持不得上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].start |
4958.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
4960.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
並啟動銷毀程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
4960.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
4962.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
檢驗合格的郵品使得上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
4962.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
4964.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
維護市售食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].start |
4964.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
4966.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
及保障消費者權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
4966.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
4967.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
提案委員陳銀 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
4967.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
4968.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
林月琴 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
4968.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
4969.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
王振旭 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].start |
4969.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
4970.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
黃秀芳 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
4970.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
4971.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
劉建國 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
4972.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
4973.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
行政機關說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].start |
4978.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].end |
4985.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
有關陳銀、林月琴委員等所提出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
4985.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].end |
4990.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
要求衛福部查明流向、真相 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].start |
4990.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
4993.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].text |
不合格的郵品不得上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
4993.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
4996.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
並啟動銷毀程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
4996.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
4998.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
檢驗合格的才能夠上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
4998.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
5001.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
維持市售食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
5001.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
5003.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
保障消費者權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
5003.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
5004.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
我們敬表支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
5004.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
5005.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
目前的整個做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].start |
5005.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
5008.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
就是完全跟委員所提案的是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
5008.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
5009.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
所以敬表支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
5014.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].end |
5015.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
請問委員沒見 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
5018.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
5020.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
沒有一切就照案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
5021.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
5022.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
先進行第四案 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
5026.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
5028.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
要求衛生福利部於一周內 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
5028.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
5032.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
公開蘋果、芬普寧農藥殘留標準提高容許量 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
5032.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
5034.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
至六倍的完整科學理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
5034.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
5037.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
說明醫學、獨立學及法規依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
5037.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
5041.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
二公佈各年齡層之完整風險評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
5041.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
5045.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
三公開專家會議記錄及利益迴避資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
5045.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
5047.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
讓社會瞭解決策過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
5047.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
5050.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
四建立重大農藥最大容許量 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
5052.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
5054.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
調整公眾參與制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
5054.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
5059.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
必要時因辦理公聽會公開說明會及風險溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
5060.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
5062.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
重新檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
5062.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
5065.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
一一五年四月二十一日公告之 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
5065.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
5067.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
農藥殘留容許量標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
5067.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
5073.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
未受十字第一一五一三零零八二一號第三條副表一 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
5074.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
5078.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
提案委員林月請陳瑩、黃秀芳、王振旭宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
5078.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
5080.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
5080.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].end |
5082.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].text |
請在機關說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].start |
5085.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].end |
5087.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].start |
5086.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].end |
5088.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].text |
跟委員會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].start |
5088.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].end |
5091.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].text |
這個在這個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].start |
5091.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].end |
5094.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
林月請陳瑩委員的這個提案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].start |
5094.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
5102.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
那麼公開評估的分譜您農藥殘留標準提高容許量的這個完整科學理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].start |
5102.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].end |
5108.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
那麼說明這些依理學理還有讀理學這些完全沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].start |
5108.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
5115.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
那第二個是不是文字稍作修正公佈包含年齡層的完整風險評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
5115.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
5117.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
因為前面那個是依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].start |
5117.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
5121.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
那我們有一個完整的風險評估報告是包含年齡層 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].start |
5121.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
5124.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
是完整風險評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
5124.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
5127.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
各自各把它改成包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
5127.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
5133.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
那麼其他第三點這個會議紀錄的公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].start |
5133.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
5140.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
第四點建立重大農藥的這個MRL的調整公眾參與制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].start |
5140.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
5142.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
這個我們都競表同意支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].start |
5142.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
5149.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
那麼至於必要時應辦理公聽會公開說明會跟風險公通這個我們可以遵照辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].start |
5149.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
5151.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
至於最後一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].start |
5152.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
5158.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
跟我剛剛提到的一樣這個在之前都已經做過這個完整的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
5158.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
5162.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
那麼當然如果有新的證據我們就可以再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
5162.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].end |
5166.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
所以這邊提到說重新檢討我們來看看收集一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
5166.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
5173.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
有沒有新的科學的證據或者是新的這個標這個其他國家的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
5173.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
5178.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
我們來重新再檢視一下這個我們可以來研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].start |
5178.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
5185.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
所以是不是這個第五點前面加個研議兩個字研議重新檢討這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].start |
5185.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
5186.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
好謝謝市部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
5187.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
5190.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
請問我們是否在行政機關修正文字通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].start |
5194.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
5195.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
無意通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].start |
5197.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
5202.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
人民吃不消全民要健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
5202.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
5209.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
獨有獨蘋果人民吃不消全民要健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
5209.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
5215.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
獨有獨蘋果人民吃不消全民要健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].start |
5217.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
5221.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
臨時體驗全數處理完畢現在開始尋討 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].start |
5221.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
5224.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
現在請登記第一位委員林院請照位發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
5239.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
5241.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
主席麻煩市部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
5241.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
5242.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
主席是中央部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].start |
5244.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
5248.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
部長這次中央的責任我們大概一向都不會逃避 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
5248.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
5253.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
因為立法院已多次安排相關報告跟質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].start |
5253.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
5258.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
而且院長也於7月14號到院進行專案報告並備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
5258.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
5262.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
可是我要提醒的是最近藍白兩黨的政治攻防 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
5262.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
5267.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
幾乎把地方政府從食品安全衛生管理法裡邊刪掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
5267.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
5272.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
台東市長盧秀燕甚至指控你中央不准地方查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
5272.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
5275.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
民眾黨則指控說中央甩鍋地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
5275.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
5277.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].text |
可是法律不是這樣寫的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
5277.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
5278.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
今天我們要逐條來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
5278.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
5280.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
到底地方政府依法有什麼權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
5280.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
5283.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
負什麼責實際做了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
5283.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
5285.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
部長三法第二條是不是明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
5286.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
5289.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
在直轄市主管機關就是直轄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
5290.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
5292.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
請問部長主管機關的意思是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
5292.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
5295.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
所以台東市政府不是中央的協辦機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
5295.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
5298.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
不是受中央委託才有權查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
5298.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
5302.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
而是法律直接規定的主管機關對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
5302.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
5304.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].text |
沒有錯第二條事實上是這樣明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].start |
5304.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
5308.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].text |
所以我們今天不是中央要不要把權利交給台中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].start |
5308.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
5311.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].text |
而是台中根本就是依法有權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
5311.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
5313.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].text |
而且也是依法有責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].start |
5313.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
5315.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].text |
國民黨近期反覆主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].start |
5315.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].end |
5319.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].text |
中央施壓台中不要查場不要公布留下不要下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].start |
5319.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].end |
5321.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].text |
有委員還稱這個是事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].start |
5321.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].end |
5325.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
我有我現在有的公開資料顯示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
5325.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
5327.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].text |
七月一號因為六月三十號通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
5327.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
5330.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
七月一號中央跟台中已經共同查場了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
5330.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
5332.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
怎麼說中央你不准他去查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].start |
5332.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
5335.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
而且部長一第四十一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].start |
5335.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].end |
5338.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
台中市要進入中聯查場抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
5338.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
5340.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
調閱生產及出貨資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
5340.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
5343.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
需要食藥署逐案批准嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
5343.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
5346.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
地方作業到底怎麼進行啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
5347.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
5348.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
要你們批嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].start |
5348.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
5352.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].text |
跟委員說明這個在食安法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].start |
5352.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
5357.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
把中央跟所有的食安都是中央跟地方要一起合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].start |
5357.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
5360.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
那麼也在食安法裡面去明定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
5360.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
5363.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
所以要你們批准他才可以去查場嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
5363.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
5365.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
食品查核跟管制也明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
5365.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
5368.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
這個地方的主管機關可以進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
5368.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
5373.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
進行現場的查核及抽樣的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
5373.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
5376.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
所以這個是在食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
5376.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
5378.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
十一條就講得很清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
5378.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
5382.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
就是說本來就授權地方進場查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
5382.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
5383.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
抽驗產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
5383.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
5385.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
調閱生產及出貨資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
5385.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
5388.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
必要時還可以命令停工停售跟封存 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
5388.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
5390.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
產品確認如果違規後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
5390.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
5395.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].text |
地方還可以命令業者回收銷毀公佈違法的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].start |
5395.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
5397.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
並依法來做裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
5397.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
5399.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
所以既然不需要中央批准 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
5399.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
5402.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
那麼所謂的中央不准地方查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
5402.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
5403.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
在法律到底是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
5403.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
5406.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
中央有沒有依法律做成一份 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
5406.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
5408.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
有沒有一個正式公文給他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
5408.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
5411.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
表示說禁止台中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
5411.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
5413.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
要依法行使四十一條的權限 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
5413.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
5414.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
說他不可以做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
5414.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
5416.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
有嗎你有拿公文給他嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
5416.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
5417.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
從來沒有這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
5417.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
5420.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
所以我今天要做的一件事情就是要釐清事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
5420.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
5423.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
我們才能夠回到舊事論事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
5423.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
5424.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
沒有舊事論事的公文記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
5424.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
5426.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
就不能夠把中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
5426.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
5428.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
因為為什麼有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
5428.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
5429.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
5429.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
5431.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
中央跟地方因為7月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
5431.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
5433.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
中央在7月4號開專家會議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
5433.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
5436.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
認為中聯無復工的可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
5436.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
5438.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
所以7月5號不用查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
5438.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
5440.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
根本就不要讓他復工了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
5440.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
5442.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
那只是因為這一次的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
5442.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
5444.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
就間諜欣喜地說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
5444.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
5446.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
地方的法定查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
5447.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
5449.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
事實上是在中央要授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
5449.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
5452.33 |
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簡直是莫名其妙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
5452.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
5455.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].text |
所以我覺得部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].start |
5455.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].end |
5457.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].text |
台中市即便宣稱中央施壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].start |
5457.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].end |
5459.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].text |
可是台中市在本案中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].start |
5459.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].end |
5461.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].text |
實際跟中央進場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].start |
5461.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].end |
5463.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].text |
顯示台中市政府確實知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].start |
5463.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].end |
5465.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
我們的食安法第四十一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].start |
5465.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].end |
5468.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].text |
直接授權地方的權責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
5468.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
5469.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
可是這個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
5469.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].end |
5473.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].text |
台北市長蔣萬佑主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].start |
5473.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].end |
5476.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].text |
中央應全面檢驗其他的油品上游 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].start |
5476.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].end |
5479.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].text |
生產源頭跟供應的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
5479.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].end |
5483.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
不應該仅仰賴業者的自主通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].start |
5483.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].end |
5484.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].text |
不過這兩種說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
5484.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].end |
5486.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].text |
台中跟台北市的說法放在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
5486.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].end |
5488.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].text |
正好顯示兩個重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
5488.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].end |
5491.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].text |
六都的首長對法規各取所需 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
5491.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].end |
5493.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
只看自己想要看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
5493.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].end |
5494.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].text |
唯一的共同點就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
5494.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].end |
5497.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
不想依法論法來討論地方的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
5497.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
5501.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
部長依食安法第五條第七條第四十一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
5501.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].end |
5502.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].text |
完整的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
5502.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].end |
5505.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
業者依法應主動通報地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].start |
5505.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].end |
5508.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
但業者隱匿延遲跟通報私靈的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
5508.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].end |
5513.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].text |
地方主管機關原本應該負哪些監督抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
5513.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].end |
5516.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
摧查流向及進場管制責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].start |
5518.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].end |
5523.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].text |
我想在食安法裡面就如同剛剛委員所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].start |
5523.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].end |
5527.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
第五條的責任還有第四十一條都明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].start |
5527.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].end |
5530.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].text |
那麼他應該要進行的相關的查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
5530.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
5533.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
那麼發現有違反相關的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].start |
5533.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
5536.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
包含違反第八條第十五條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
5536.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
5538.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
那麼第十六條的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
5538.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
5542.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
他就可以依這個四十一條的授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
5542.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
5544.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].text |
做暫停作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
5544.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
5550.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
或者是停止販賣封存的這一些法律採取的行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
5550.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
5554.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
那麼接獲通報也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
5554.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
5556.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
那麼他也有一些可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
5556.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
5558.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
對而且一第五十二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
5558.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
5563.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
有哪一級政府要做成回收銷毀跟公布處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
5563.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
5565.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
而且甚至一第五十五條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].start |
5565.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
5567.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
又有哪一級政府要負責裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
5567.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].end |
5568.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].text |
都是地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].start |
5568.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].end |
5571.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].text |
所以不能因為業者沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].start |
5571.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].end |
5574.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].text |
就把地方政府應有的所有的主動監測 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].start |
5574.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].end |
5576.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].text |
跟第一線執法的責任一併推回中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].start |
5576.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].end |
5580.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].text |
不能夠自己想看哪一條法條來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].start |
5580.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].end |
5582.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].text |
而應該要所有的要依法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].start |
5582.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].end |
5585.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].text |
部長台中市政府說我造謠了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].start |
5585.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].end |
5587.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].text |
可是針點其實很簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].start |
5587.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].end |
5590.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].text |
我問的是中聯這一家大型油廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].start |
5590.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].end |
5592.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
到底抽驗幾次驗了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].start |
5592.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].end |
5595.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].text |
結果台中市鬼打牆的回答的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].start |
5595.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].end |
5597.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].text |
卻是全市查了多少家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].start |
5597.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].end |
5598.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].text |
抽驗多少件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].start |
5598.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].end |
5602.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].text |
現在又說中央專案名單沒有中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].start |
5602.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].end |
5606.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].text |
台中市議員查閱市府的公開資料指出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].start |
5606.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].end |
5611.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].text |
中聯從111年到114年共查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].start |
5611.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].end |
5612.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].text |
我們的稽查了六次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].start |
5612.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].end |
5616.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].text |
可真正抽取油品送進實驗室 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].start |
5616.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].end |
5620.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].text |
查驗的只有113年4月26號一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].start |
5620.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].end |
5624.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].text |
之後多次在查廠房的環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].start |
5624.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].end |
5626.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].text |
作業流程跟文件資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].start |
5626.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].end |
5627.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].text |
多謝各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].start |
5626.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].end |
5628.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].text |
中央掌握的是中聯近年的稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].start |
5628.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].end |
5630.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].text |
抽樣跟檢驗的紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].start |
5630.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].end |
5632.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].text |
是否跟上述我剛剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].start |
5632.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].end |
5635.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].text |
只有看到的台中111年4月16號那一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].start |
5635.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].end |
5640.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].text |
那也要問那個4月26號到底查的是哪些項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].start |
5640.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].end |
5643.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].text |
有沒有檢驗那個本篇筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].start |
5643.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].end |
5647.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].text |
在台中市食安專區公布的抽驗報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].start |
5647.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].end |
5651.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].text |
八次都沒有驗本篇筆 是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].start |
5651.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].end |
5654.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].text |
跟委員說明確實我們在每年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].start |
5654.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].end |
5657.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].text |
我們都會有食藥署的專案稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].start |
5657.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].end |
5660.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].text |
他們的目的是在對全國性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].start |
5660.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].end |
5664.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].text |
一致性的稽查項目去做規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].start |
5664.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].end |
5667.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].text |
但是各地方政府要依據他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].start |
5667.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].end |
5670.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].text |
在地轄管的產業屬性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].start |
5670.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].end |
5673.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].text |
去擬定需要去查核的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].start |
5673.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].end |
5676.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].text |
所以我們從過去的紀錄看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].start |
5676.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].end |
5678.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].text |
確實如委員所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].start |
5678.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].end |
5681.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].text |
真正去驗大豆沙拉油的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].start |
5681.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].end |
5685.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].text |
本篇筆的紀錄就是在113年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].start |
5685.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].end |
5689.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].text |
配合中央的專案稽查所做的那一次檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].start |
5689.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].end |
5691.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].text |
所以我覺得連蔣萬安市長都認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].start |
5691.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
5694.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].text |
盧秀燕市長應該會說清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].start |
5696.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].end |
5699.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].text |
我認為這樣子如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].start |
5700.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].end |
5703.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].text |
這種說辭真的事實上是會造成業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].start |
5703.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].end |
5706.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].text |
僥倖心理 我覺得都需要被檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].start |
5706.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].end |
5710.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].text |
另外像114年台中市的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].start |
5710.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].end |
5714.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].text |
有指的稽查專案並沒有把中聯列入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].start |
5714.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].end |
5716.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].text |
台中市政府回應說法律沒有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].start |
5716.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].end |
5718.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].text |
每一家工廠每一項產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].start |
5718.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].end |
5720.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].text |
每一年都固定檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].start |
5720.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].end |
5723.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].text |
並稱中央專案名單沒有中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].start |
5723.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].end |
5725.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].text |
可是一 我們食安法第五條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].start |
5725.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].end |
5727.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].text |
本來就要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].start |
5727.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].end |
5731.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].text |
我們的各級主管機關都要建立風險監測體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].start |
5731.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].end |
5734.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].text |
對中聯這種大量的供應全國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].start |
5734.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].end |
5737.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].text |
下游範圍非常廣的一個上游遊場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].start |
5737.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].end |
5740.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].text |
地方政府是不是就應該要依產量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].start |
5740.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].end |
5744.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].text |
我們的製程風險 供應的規模跟違規紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].start |
5744.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].end |
5747.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].text |
決定的稽查跟抽驗的強度來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].start |
5747.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].end |
5750.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].text |
而不是反而是推給中央最快 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].start |
5750.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].end |
5753.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].text |
中央專案沒有列入某一家業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].start |
5753.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].end |
5755.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].text |
會不會影響地方依法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].start |
5755.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].end |
5757.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].text |
自己要去執行稽查跟抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].start |
5757.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].end |
5758.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].text |
如果按照第五條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].start |
5758.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].end |
5760.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].text |
事實上本來各級地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].start |
5760.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].end |
5762.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].text |
本來就要依你自己的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].start |
5762.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].end |
5764.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].text |
去做一個風險監測的體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].start |
5764.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].end |
5766.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].text |
那如果這樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].start |
5766.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].end |
5768.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].text |
那中聯在台中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].start |
5768.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].end |
5770.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].text |
它是不是本身台中市政府就可以去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].start |
5770.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].end |
5772.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].text |
那地方的檢驗是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].start |
5772.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].end |
5774.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].text |
中央一個口令一個動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].start |
5774.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].end |
5775.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].text |
要列名單才會查嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].start |
5775.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].end |
5777.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].text |
我想問 他說你沒列名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].start |
5777.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].end |
5779.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].text |
所以他不查 你要列名單他才會查嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].start |
5779.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].end |
5781.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].text |
剛剛跟委員說明過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].start |
5781.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].end |
5783.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].text |
我們所列的是全國性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].start |
5783.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].end |
5786.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].text |
一致性的專案是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].start |
5786.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].end |
5787.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].text |
但是各地方政府是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].start |
5787.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].end |
5791.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].text |
根據它俠管的產業屬性跟風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].start |
5791.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].end |
5794.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].text |
那麼去擬定它地方年度的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].start |
5794.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].end |
5796.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].text |
這個查核的一些計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].start |
5796.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].end |
5798.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].text |
在過去一向都是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].start |
5798.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].end |
5801.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].text |
所以每個地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].start |
5801.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].end |
5802.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].text |
像台南高雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].start |
5802.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].end |
5805.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].text |
那麼他們評估過它所做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].start |
5805.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].end |
5808.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].text |
那當然不一定是受限於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].start |
5808.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].end |
5810.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].text |
這個主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].start |
5810.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].end |
5813.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].text |
那麼就是我們食藥署的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].start |
5813.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].end |
5814.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].text |
年度的機械項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].start |
5814.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].end |
5815.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].text |
當然是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].start |
5815.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].end |
5817.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].text |
那個是全國一致性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].start |
5817.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].end |
5820.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].text |
那地方是要按照它的產業屬性去擬定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].start |
5822.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].end |
5823.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].text |
所以要再說一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].start |
5823.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].end |
5826.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].text |
第五條也是要求各級主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].start |
5826.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].end |
5828.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].text |
要建立監測體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].start |
5828.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].end |
5830.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].text |
第四十一條也直接授權地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].start |
5830.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].end |
5833.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].text |
政府可以進場查核跟抽樣檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].start |
5833.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].end |
5836.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].text |
所以我認為台中如果認為資料有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].start |
5836.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].end |
5838.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].text |
就把採樣單 送檢單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].start |
5838.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].end |
5841.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].text |
檢驗項目及正式的報告全部公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].start |
5841.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].end |
5843.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].text |
還有不要換分母 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].start |
5843.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].end |
5845.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].text |
更不要把地方依法可以做的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].start |
5845.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].end |
5849.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].text |
應該做的事情全部推給中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].start |
5849.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].end |
5851.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].text |
部長 我不會替署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].start |
5851.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].end |
5853.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].text |
做特別費的那個辯護 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].start |
5853.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].end |
5855.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].text |
可是也會把二十一萬八千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].start |
5855.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].end |
5858.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].text |
誇大成食藥署全部的預算備看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].start |
5858.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].end |
5860.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].text |
預算當然可以檢讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
5860.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].end |
5861.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].text |
可是這份提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].start |
5861.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].end |
5863.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].text |
前面寫的是署長特別費 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].start |
5863.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].end |
5864.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].text |
最後卻又寫說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
5864.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].end |
5867.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].text |
八月到十二月的業務費全部減劣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
5867.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].end |
5869.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].text |
減劣金額還留白 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].start |
5869.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].end |
5871.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].text |
究竟是要刪哪一筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].start |
5872.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].end |
5874.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].text |
我覺得必須要說明清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].start |
5874.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].end |
5877.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].text |
不能前跟後 對不起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].start |
5879.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].end |
5880.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].text |
依正式預算說明書 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].start |
5880.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].end |
5883.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].text |
如果只刪署長的特別費 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].start |
5883.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].end |
5886.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].text |
那這筆特別費原始用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].start |
5886.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].end |
5888.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].text |
是在做食品檢驗嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].start |
5888.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].end |
5891.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].text |
是在說食品那個嗎 維運嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].start |
5891.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].end |
5894.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].text |
還是說地方的茶場下架的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].start |
5894.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].end |
5896.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].text |
刪掉之後到底能不能改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].start |
5896.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].end |
5898.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].text |
中聯案的那個延遲通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].start |
5898.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].end |
5900.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].text |
跟流向不明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].start |
5900.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].end |
5901.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].text |
更嚴重的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].start |
5901.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].end |
5904.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].text |
如果提案到最後要刪的是全部業務費 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].start |
5904.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].end |
5906.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
就連租金 水電 網路 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].start |
5906.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].end |
5908.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].text |
保全跟約用人員的經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].start |
5908.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].end |
5909.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].text |
全部都受到影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].start |
5909.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].end |
5911.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].text |
那可能很多人就要失業了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
5911.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].end |
5914.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].text |
那對食安藥安跟醫材管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].start |
5914.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].end |
5916.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].text |
會造成哪些具體的衝擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].start |
5916.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].end |
5917.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].text |
那這些費用當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].start |
5917.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].end |
5919.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].text |
哪一項是造成中聯延遲通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].start |
5919.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].end |
5924.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].text |
哪一項是導致我們的流向茶器失靈 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].start |
5924.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].end |
5925.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].text |
所以如果全部刪除 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].start |
5925.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].end |
5927.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].text |
那也就跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].start |
5927.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].end |
5930.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].text |
也有跟在野黨所說的合理保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].start |
5930.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].end |
5934.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].text |
必要經費嚴格刪減讓費互相矛盾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].start |
5934.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].end |
5937.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].text |
我要請這個提案的在野黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].start |
5937.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].end |
5938.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].text |
的思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].start |
5938.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].end |
5940.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].text |
三預算究竟是為了改革 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].start |
5940.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].end |
5942.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].text |
還是為了政治的威嚇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].start |
5942.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].end |
5943.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].text |
要想清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].start |
5943.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].end |
5946.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].text |
而且不要前後文都對不起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].start |
5946.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].end |
5947.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].text |
不然前面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].start |
5947.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].end |
5950.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].text |
在野黨把責任都推給中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].start |
5950.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].end |
5951.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].text |
可是很特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].start |
5951.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].end |
5952.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].text |
甚至要三預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].start |
5952.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].end |
5953.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].text |
可是最後提出來方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].start |
5953.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].end |
5955.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].text |
仍然回到源頭檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].start |
5955.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].end |
5957.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].text |
異常通報 流向追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].start |
5957.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].end |
5958.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].text |
跟預防性下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].start |
5958.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].end |
5959.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].text |
跟行政院目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].start |
5960.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].end |
5963.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].text |
提出來的改革核心高度的重疊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].start |
5963.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].end |
5965.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].text |
代表大家都知道全責分工 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].start |
5965.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].end |
5967.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].text |
跟加強管理是解決的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].start |
5967.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].end |
5968.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].text |
既然如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].start |
5968.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].end |
5970.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].text |
就不要再比誰罵的大聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].start |
5970.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].end |
5972.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].text |
因回到條文討論到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].start |
5972.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].end |
5975.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].text |
到底我們要怎麼樣落地比較重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].start |
5975.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].end |
5977.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].text |
所以我覺得行政院規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].start |
5977.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].end |
5981.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].text |
針對我們的高風險業者的檢驗的頻率 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].start |
5981.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].end |
5984.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].text |
跟實驗室跟第三方的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].start |
5984.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].end |
5987.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].text |
那把各市期責的東西都確認清楚的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].start |
5987.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].end |
5989.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].text |
地方風險導向查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].start |
5989.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].end |
5991.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].text |
重大事件中央來指揮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].start |
5991.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].end |
5993.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].text |
以及下架跟重新上架的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].start |
5993.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].end |
5995.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].text |
請部長具體說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].start |
5995.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].end |
5997.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].text |
我們的高風險業者如何認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].start |
5997.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].end |
5999.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].text |
地方查核的強度如何決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].start |
5999.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].end |
6001.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].text |
而且要如何被討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].start |
6001.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].end |
6003.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].text |
好 跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].start |
6003.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].end |
6005.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].text |
這個我們食藥署的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].start |
6005.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].end |
6010.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].text |
就是要確保民眾的食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].start |
6010.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].end |
6015.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].text |
那麼有很多的計畫跟系統制度要建立 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].start |
6015.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].end |
6018.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].text |
那麼這些執行都需要預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].start |
6018.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].end |
6022.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].text |
所以我們懇請立法院能夠支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].start |
6022.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].end |
6024.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].text |
食藥署的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].start |
6024.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].end |
6027.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].text |
來為人民的食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].start |
6027.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].end |
6029.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].text |
來做把關來提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].start |
6029.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].end |
6032.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].text |
那麼至於特別費的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].start |
6032.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].end |
6034.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].text |
那麼我也要特別拜託 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].start |
6034.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].end |
6037.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].text |
因為在食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].start |
6037.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].end |
6041.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].text |
大家很多的同仁是相當辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].start |
6041.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].end |
6043.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].text |
那麼署長歷年也都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].start |
6043.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].end |
6047.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].text |
把他的特別費用在對員工的一些犒賞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].start |
6047.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].end |
6050.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].text |
那麼這個在這麼多的業務下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].start |
6050.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].end |
6053.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].text |
那麼對員工的激勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].start |
6053.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].end |
6055.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].text |
也是相當有他的必要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].start |
6055.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].end |
6060.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].text |
所以也懇請委員能夠給予衡量著情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].start |
6060.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].end |
6064.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].text |
那麼至於在這個修法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].start |
6064.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].end |
6067.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].text |
我們已經剛剛在我的口頭報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].start |
6067.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].end |
6069.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].text |
大概有十個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].start |
6069.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].end |
6072.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].text |
那麼我也參酌了國民黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].start |
6072.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].end |
6075.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].text |
也提出的一些修法的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].start |
6075.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].end |
6078.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].text |
那麼也都跟我們大概都含納了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].start |
6078.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].end |
6080.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].text |
它只是有一些放在執法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].start |
6080.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].end |
6083.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].text |
有一些是在母法裡面來修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].start |
6083.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].end |
6087.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].text |
所以我們期待盡快的能夠排入委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].start |
6087.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].end |
6090.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].text |
來審查這個食安法的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].start |
6090.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].end |
6093.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].text |
所以我覺得食安修法不是搶攻牢牢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].start |
6093.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].end |
6095.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].text |
我覺得既然朝野方向既然都接近 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].start |
6095.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].end |
6097.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].text |
就應該停止政治動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].start |
6097.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].end |
6099.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].text |
把真正有效的制度寫進法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].start |
6099.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].end |
6102.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].text |
這個比較務實才是幫全民把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].start |
6102.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].end |
6103.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].text |
以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].start |
6103.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].end |
6105.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].text |
好謝謝 林委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].start |
6118.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].end |
6120.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].text |
謝謝主席 謝謝各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].start |
6120.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].end |
6122.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].text |
我們請石部長謝謝官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].start |
6122.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].end |
6123.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].text |
了解 部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].start |
6126.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
6127.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
好 陳委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].start |
6127.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
6130.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
好 部長我們來簡單的回顧一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].start |
6130.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
6133.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
6月30 7月1號到現在發生什麼事情了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].start |
6133.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
6135.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
我們來看一下投影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].start |
6137.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].end |
6141.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].text |
6月30號 7月1號爆發致癌油的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
6141.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].end |
6144.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].text |
7月3號江志剛署長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
6144.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
6145.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
業者也是受害者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
6145.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
6147.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].text |
所以不公布名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
6147.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
6150.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
7月5號訂出一個全民搞不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
6150.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
6153.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
20%以上 20%以下的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
6153.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
6158.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
7月6號的早上找了上次他口中說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
6158.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
6162.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
很關心食安的沈柏央委員私底下開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
6162.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
6166.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
7月6號下午賴清德說該就責就就責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
6166.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
6167.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
該下架就下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
6167.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
6169.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
他的意思就是叫你們趕快下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
6170.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
6174.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
好 7月14號卓榮泰跑來立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].start |
6174.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
6177.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].text |
不但嗆委員還說他不是來道歉的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
6177.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
6180.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
還說講不懂聽不講台語 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
6180.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
6182.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
大家聽不懂是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
6182.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
6184.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
7月15 林靜怡說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
6184.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
6187.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
叫大家不要吃炸雞排 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
6187.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
6191.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
然後那時候他也講這個原因可能是源頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
6191.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
6192.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
也可能是致癢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
6192.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
6194.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
含含糊糊不知道在講什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
6194.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
6197.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
7月16 吳徵說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
6197.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
6201.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
又不是民進黨逼大家吃炸雞排油的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
6201.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
6205.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
7月18 你們的議員說我們如喪考匹 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
6205.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
6207.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
還說人民無知喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
6207.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
6210.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
7月19 潘孟安說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
6211.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
6213.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
推記者不要跟我炒新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
6213.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
6217.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
7月20 你們的發言人戴偉山說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
6217.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
6220.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
本篇鄙視天然物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
6220.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
6224.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
回想起10年前12年前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
6224.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
6228.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
你們身為執政黨對這項政府態度是什麼標準是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
6228.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
6231.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
剛剛有委員有講蔡奇昌陳其邁說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
6231.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
6234.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
行政院長下台總統出來道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
6234.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
6237.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
這個是你們好久以前的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
6237.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
6240.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
我現在都看不出來你們對自己的標準在哪裡了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
6241.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
6243.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
這麼多事情發生了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
6244.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
6249.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
7月21 突然很高調的宣布要成立一個調查小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
6251.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
6255.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
到現在都不用有人負責不用有人下台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
6255.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
6257.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
6月30 發生到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
6257.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
6261.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
這麼多人在罵人民罵在野黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
6261.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
6265.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
7月21 才說要成立調查小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
6266.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
6267.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
好不好笑啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].start |
6268.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
6271.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
符不符合你們以前給自己的標準啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
6271.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
6273.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].text |
還攻擊人民說人民無知 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
6275.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
6278.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
人民其中有很多疑問我現在就來幫大家論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
6278.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
6279.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
下一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
6281.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
6283.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
這邊我們一定要問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
6283.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
6286.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
剛剛講了一下說不公佈名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].start |
6286.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].end |
6289.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].text |
以下說第二層不用下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].start |
6289.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].end |
6291.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].text |
以下說20%以上20%以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].start |
6291.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].end |
6296.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].text |
現在你們今天一定要講出這個20%是誰決定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].start |
6296.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].end |
6299.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].text |
因為你看江志剛以前他的標題叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].start |
6299.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].end |
6302.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].text |
相毒有不毒但我一滴也不想吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].start |
6302.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].end |
6305.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].text |
他都知道說人民一滴也不想吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].start |
6305.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].end |
6307.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].text |
江教授知道江醫師知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].start |
6307.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].end |
6310.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].text |
誰定出20%現在要講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].start |
6310.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].end |
6313.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].text |
講清楚給大家知道是誰定20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].start |
6313.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].end |
6315.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].text |
誰改掉20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].start |
6315.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].end |
6316.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].text |
我們現在就要知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].start |
6319.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].end |
6320.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].start |
6320.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].end |
6324.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].text |
在民主的社會民眾對於政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].start |
6326.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].end |
6329.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].text |
這個人員的這個問責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].start |
6329.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].end |
6331.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].text |
我想這個是應該的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].start |
6331.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].end |
6333.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].text |
這個我們一定會虛心的受教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].start |
6333.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].end |
6337.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].text |
那不過問責的基礎是在於有沒有行政帶動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].start |
6337.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].end |
6340.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].text |
有沒有違反法定的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].start |
6340.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].end |
6344.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].text |
6月30號爆發事件7月20日成立調查小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].start |
6344.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].end |
6346.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].text |
你覺得沒有帶動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].start |
6346.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].end |
6349.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].text |
我們在6月30號呢接獲通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].start |
6349.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].end |
6353.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].text |
7月1號那麼就已經協同台中市衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].start |
6353.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].end |
6357.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].text |
直接到場裡面去做查場稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].start |
6357.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].end |
6359.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].text |
這個都是我們的職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].start |
6359.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].end |
6361.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].text |
我跟你說你不用講這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].start |
6361.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].end |
6363.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].text |
因為大家只要看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].start |
6363.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].end |
6365.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].text |
大家只要看流程圖就已經知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].start |
6365.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].end |
6368.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].text |
你們跟民進黨的官網差的有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].start |
6368.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].end |
6370.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].text |
民進黨官網現在都還寫啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].start |
6370.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].end |
6372.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].text |
三天內公佈流向 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].start |
6372.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].end |
6374.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].text |
民進黨官網現在都還這樣寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].start |
6374.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].end |
6376.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].text |
我這一題是在問你20%誰定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].start |
6376.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].end |
6377.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].text |
誰改的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].start |
6377.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].end |
6379.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].text |
你只要告訴我們20%誰定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].start |
6379.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].end |
6381.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].text |
誰改的就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].start |
6381.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].end |
6383.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].text |
好我現在跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].start |
6383.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].end |
6386.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].text |
所以我們在7月1號去查場之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].start |
6386.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].end |
6391.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].text |
那麼7月2號就公佈了要求下架的品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].start |
6391.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].end |
6395.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].text |
在7月3號的中午以前我們就下架了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].start |
6395.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].end |
6399.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].text |
那麼之後我們7月4號就開了專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].start |
6399.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].end |
6404.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].text |
那麼把我們在7月1號去查場的這些相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].start |
6404.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].end |
6406.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].text |
那麼收集到的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].start |
6406.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].end |
6410.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].text |
那麼跟委員這些專家大家討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].start |
6410.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].end |
6414.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].text |
討論之後才會做出中聯在當時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].start |
6414.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].end |
6417.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].text |
是不可能馬上就要復工 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].start |
6417.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].end |
6420.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].text |
因為他很多的資料是不齊全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].start |
6420.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].end |
6421.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].text |
你說20%誰定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].start |
6421.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].end |
6423.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].text |
這些我們都已經知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].start |
6423.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].end |
6425.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].text |
同時也去討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].start |
6426.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].end |
6430.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].text |
對於我們在106年所定的在委員的螢幕下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].start |
6430.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].end |
6432.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].text |
就有這個食品違規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].start |
6432.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].end |
6435.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].text |
事件的下架的階層處理原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].start |
6435.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].end |
6439.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].text |
當時候一共分成十大類的下架原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].start |
6439.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].end |
6440.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].text |
這個我們也看過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].start |
6440.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].end |
6442.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].text |
我現在就幫你圈起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].start |
6442.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].end |
6445.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].text |
你看到我圈起來的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].start |
6445.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].end |
6450.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].text |
這個106年上面自己的說明欄裡面有寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].start |
6450.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].end |
6455.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].text |
作為行政處置參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].start |
6455.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].end |
6457.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].text |
他已經寫得很清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].start |
6457.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].end |
6460.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].text |
作為行政處置的參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].start |
6460.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].end |
6462.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].text |
既然是參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].start |
6462.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].end |
6465.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].text |
是叫你當聖經嗎聖旨嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].start |
6465.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].end |
6468.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].text |
你說到底是誰定20%的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].start |
6468.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].end |
6470.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].text |
誰參考這個定20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].start |
6470.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].end |
6472.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].text |
把這個過程跟您說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].start |
6472.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].end |
6474.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].text |
那麼這個處理原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].start |
6474.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].end |
6479.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].text |
在106年的12月就已經通通發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].start |
6479.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].end |
6481.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].text |
給各縣市衛生局來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].start |
6481.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].end |
6484.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].text |
在未來發生到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].start |
6485.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].end |
6487.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].text |
發生這個違規事件的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].start |
6487.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].end |
6490.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].text |
讓這個全國在處理下架的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].start |
6490.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].end |
6494.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].text |
那麼有他的一致性原則來做依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].start |
6494.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].end |
6497.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].text |
所以這個是在106年12月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].start |
6497.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].end |
6500.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].text |
我知道你的細項裡面寫第一層第二層 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].start |
6500.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].end |
6504.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].text |
你先告訴我是誰看了這個處理原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].start |
6504.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].end |
6507.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].text |
本來是給你們做行政處置參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].start |
6507.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].end |
6509.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].text |
因為他裡面沒有提到20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].start |
6509.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].end |
6511.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].text |
是誰決定20%的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].start |
6511.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].end |
6513.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].text |
我現在就是要跟你說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].start |
6513.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].end |
6515.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].text |
你直接說明就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].start |
6515.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].end |
6518.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].text |
才會召開這個專家會議去討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].start |
6518.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].end |
6520.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].text |
這一個處理原則之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].start |
6520.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].end |
6522.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].text |
那再根據這一個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].start |
6522.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].end |
6524.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].text |
去做了一個調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].start |
6524.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].end |
6527.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].text |
所以就會增加包含原型油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].start |
6527.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].end |
6531.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].text |
以及使用超過20%的百分比的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].start |
6531.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].end |
6534.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].text |
那麼建議那麼一起下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].start |
6534.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].end |
6536.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].text |
所以現在是講專家講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].start |
6536.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].end |
6537.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].text |
你們參考了專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].start |
6537.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].end |
6539.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].text |
對專家會議的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].start |
6539.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].end |
6542.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].text |
好你口口聲聲從上次來報告到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].start |
6542.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].end |
6546.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].text |
你說你們是依照這個指引加嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].start |
6546.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].end |
6547.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].text |
加嚴嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].start |
6547.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].end |
6548.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].text |
對加嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].start |
6548.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].end |
6550.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].text |
加嚴為什麼不定10% |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].start |
6550.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].end |
6551.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].text |
為什麼不定15% |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].start |
6551.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].end |
6552.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].text |
為什麼不定50% |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].start |
6552.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].end |
6553.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].text |
為什麼是定20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].start |
6553.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].end |
6556.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].text |
我們今天就是要問你誰定出20%的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].start |
6556.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].end |
6558.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].text |
就是在專家會議裡面討論出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].start |
6558.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].end |
6560.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].text |
專家怎麼算出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].start |
6560.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].end |
6563.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].text |
這個專家的會議是不是請在現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].start |
6563.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].end |
6564.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].text |
簡短一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].start |
6565.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].end |
6567.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].text |
委員所有的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].start |
6567.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].end |
6569.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].text |
它是有衛生安全標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].start |
6569.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].end |
6570.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].text |
是2 ppp |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].start |
6570.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].end |
6571.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].text |
如果一個產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].start |
6571.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].end |
6574.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].text |
它使用在8.1 ppb之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].start |
6575.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].end |
6577.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].text |
20%絕對不會超過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].start |
6577.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].end |
6579.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].text |
絕對在衛生安全標準底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].start |
6579.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].end |
6582.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].text |
所以所有的委員在一個科學的基準之下 |
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討論之後 |
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那你會不會覺得你現在口中講出這句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].start |
6586.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].end |
6589.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].text |
對照你上面自己寫的文章很好笑嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].start |
6589.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].end |
6591.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].text |
我想這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1521].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1521].text |
我們對於民眾的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].start |
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你的意思是說源頭就有問題的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].start |
6596.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].end |
6599.63 |
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做出來的東西只要稀釋夠了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].start |
6599.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].end |
6602.63 |
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稀釋夠了你們就定出這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1525].end |
6605.63 |
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那你這麼堅持的話你後來為什麼又改 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].start |
6605.63 |
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所以是你定的囉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].start |
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6609.63 |
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容我再說一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].start |
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6615.63 |
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因為在當時是不知道這個油是有所謂的延遲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1529].end |
6617.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].text |
延遲跟已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].start |
6617.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].end |
6620.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].text |
業者已經知道它是參偽假冒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].start |
6620.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].end |
6622.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].text |
或者是已經延遲通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].start |
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6624.63 |
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知道裡面有相關的扁平皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].start |
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事先不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].start |
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所以我們在調查當時的時候是這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].start |
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後來發現 |
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6630.63 |
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它有這種行為之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].start |
6630.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].end |
6634.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].text |
我們做的後續的全面性的預防下架以及下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].start |
6634.63 |
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6636.63 |
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它前面就已經違法了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].start |
6636.63 |
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6640.63 |
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前面違法是6月30號到7月3號的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].start |
6640.63 |
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6642.63 |
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我聽懂了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].start |
6642.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].end |
6645.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].text |
它是用小學生的數學算出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].start |
6645.63 |
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6647.63 |
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8% |
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6650.63 |
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8PPG乘以20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].start |
6650.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].end |
6653.63 |
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那你乘以10%不是更加嚴嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].start |
6653.63 |
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6655.63 |
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你乘以10%不是更加嚴嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].start |
6655.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].end |
6659.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].text |
我想整個會全世界對於油品的管理裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].start |
6659.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].end |
6662.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].text |
有這樣子的衛生安全標準超標的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].start |
6662.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].end |
6665.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].text |
第一層下架是universal的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].start |
6665.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].end |
6668.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].text |
這樣的概念我想這邊要再次的強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].start |
6668.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].end |
6671.61 |
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並不是食藥署提出的第一層下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1551].end |
6673.61 |
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並不是第一層下架是我們第一層下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].start |
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6675.61 |
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你說過的絕對不允許 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].start |
6675.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].end |
6680.61 |
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有任何不合法的原料參雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].start |
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6682.61 |
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它源頭就已經不合法了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].start |
6682.61 |
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6684.61 |
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你居然說7月4號的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].start |
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6687.61 |
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並不知道它是被參雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].start |
6687.61 |
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6689.61 |
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這個並不是外加的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].start |
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6691.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].text |
從頭到尾都有人外加的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].start |
6691.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].end |
6692.61 |
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那誰改的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].start |
6692.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].end |
6694.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].text |
那你講一講為什麼又改了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].start |
6694.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].end |
6697.61 |
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你20%這個規則幾乎只有存在一兩天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].start |
6697.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].end |
6699.61 |
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誰決定的還有誰改的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].start |
6699.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].end |
6700.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].text |
我們只講這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].start |
6700.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].end |
6702.61 |
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誰決定跟誰改的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].start |
6703.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].end |
6704.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].start |
6704.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].end |
6707.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].text |
當然在專家的會議討論出來是20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].start |
6707.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].end |
6711.54 |
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認為是可以在科學上接受可接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].start |
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6714.54 |
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但是後來在執行上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].start |
6714.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].end |
6717.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].text |
我們除了科學的安全之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].start |
6717.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].end |
6721.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].text |
也考量行政上的執行的複雜度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].start |
6721.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].end |
6725.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].text |
因為如果要在一一去檢視百分比 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].start |
6725.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].end |
6727.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].text |
需要花更長的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].start |
6727.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].end |
6728.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].text |
你是沒有在那邊開會嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].start |
6728.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].end |
6729.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].text |
我沒有開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].start |
6729.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].end |
6730.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].text |
我專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].start |
6730.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].end |
6732.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].text |
江署長有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].start |
6732.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].end |
6733.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].start |
6733.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].end |
6736.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].text |
那你聽完都不會覺得執行上有困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].start |
6736.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].end |
6739.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].text |
江署長聽完沒有覺得執行上有困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].start |
6739.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].end |
6742.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].text |
所以後來是我來決定說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].start |
6742.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].end |
6744.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].text |
因為要在執行上要快 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].start |
6744.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].end |
6747.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].text |
不能在一一去確認幾%幾% |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].start |
6747.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].end |
6750.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].text |
幾%這專家的會有他的科學依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].start |
6750.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].end |
6754.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].text |
但是執行上希望能夠盡快完成所有產品的下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].start |
6754.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].end |
6755.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].text |
好我聽懂了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].start |
6755.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].end |
6758.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].text |
結論是江署長決定20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].start |
6758.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].end |
6760.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].text |
你決定修改 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].start |
6760.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].end |
6761.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].text |
你決定修改 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].start |
6761.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].end |
6764.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].text |
因為他不知道實務上執行多困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].start |
6764.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].end |
6766.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].text |
聽起來是這個意思不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].start |
6766.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].end |
6769.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].text |
我們是要加速盡快的時間內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].start |
6769.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].end |
6772.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].text |
然後更嚴格的確保這些安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].start |
6772.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].end |
6774.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].text |
食品的安全性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].start |
6774.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].end |
6776.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].text |
所以先做出這樣的預防下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].start |
6776.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].end |
6778.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].text |
所以表示20%速度不夠快 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].start |
6778.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].end |
6780.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].text |
聽起來就是20%速度不夠快 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].start |
6780.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].end |
6782.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].text |
誰要為這個決策負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].start |
6782.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].end |
6784.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].text |
誰要為這個決策負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].start |
6784.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].end |
6786.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].text |
誰為這個決策負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].start |
6786.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].end |
6788.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].text |
這個當然我來負責這個決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].start |
6788.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].end |
6790.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].text |
好那我們再看下一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].start |
6792.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].end |
6794.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].text |
這個是你昨天講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].start |
6794.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].end |
6796.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].text |
我們把聲音播出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].start |
6799.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
6801.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].text |
本篇題是一起致哀悟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].start |
6801.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].end |
6802.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].text |
這個是科學 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].start |
6802.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].end |
6804.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].text |
但是在我們在這個科學基礎上去做的風險影響評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].start |
6804.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].end |
6805.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].text |
所訂出的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].start |
6805.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].end |
6808.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].text |
那麼這個還必須考慮到世界的共通行原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].start |
6808.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].end |
6810.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].text |
比如說在這個標準上我國是訂2PBB |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].start |
6810.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].end |
6811.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].text |
但是中國是訂10PBB |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].start |
6811.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].end |
6813.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].text |
韓國是2PBB跟我們一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].start |
6813.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].end |
6815.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].text |
日本美國是沒有訂定這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].start |
6815.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].end |
6816.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].text |
歐盟是2PBB |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].start |
6816.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].end |
6819.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].text |
所以當時候最早在這個食品安全的風險評估會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].start |
6819.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].end |
6820.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].text |
裡面的專家討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].start |
6820.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].end |
6822.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].text |
只在低層的油品去做下降原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].start |
6822.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].end |
6824.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].text |
而沒有涉及到他的相關交通製品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].start |
6824.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].end |
6826.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].text |
他也同時考量到國際的一致性標準的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].start |
6826.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].end |
6827.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].text |
那麼舉例而言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1620].end |
6830.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].text |
當然我們這些商品是來自於未訂標準的國家的商品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1621].end |
6831.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].text |
是否可以進口 |
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6831.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].end |
6833.95 |
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如果我們不斷的去擴大這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].start |
6833.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].end |
6834.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].text |
跟國際不同標準的原則的話 |
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6834.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].end |
6836.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].text |
那麼同時也會有國際貿易的一致情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].start |
6836.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].end |
6839.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].text |
所以這個是在我們做這些決策的時候都必須同時考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].start |
6839.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].end |
6841.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].text |
我們必須確保民眾的食品食用的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].start |
6841.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].end |
6844.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].text |
第一你覺得你聽得懂你在講什麼嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].start |
6844.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].end |
6848.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].text |
我們在告訴你國內有非法的致哀憂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].start |
6848.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].end |
6850.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].text |
到處謀動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].start |
6850.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].end |
6853.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].text |
你在那邊講說你的標準是因為怕外國的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].start |
6853.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].end |
6855.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].text |
沒有辦法輸入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].start |
6855.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].end |
6856.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].text |
這個誤解了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].start |
6856.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].end |
6858.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].text |
我要跟大家說明的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].start |
6858.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].end |
6861.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].text |
致哀物的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].start |
6861.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].end |
6863.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].text |
第幾級的致哀物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].start |
6863.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].end |
6865.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].text |
這個是由世界這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].start |
6865.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].end |
6868.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].text |
IARRC所訂出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].start |
6868.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].end |
6872.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].text |
幾級的致哀物是來自於在動物實驗上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].start |
6872.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].end |
6874.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].text |
他的證據強度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].start |
6874.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].end |
6877.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].text |
不等於他的毒性容許量是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].start |
6877.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].end |
6880.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].text |
所以他雖然被定為一級致哀物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].start |
6880.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].end |
6883.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].text |
同屬一級致哀物的包含9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].start |
6883.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].end |
6887.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].text |
所以如何去定出後面他的毒性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].start |
6887.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].end |
6890.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].text |
或者是對致哀的強度有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].start |
6890.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].end |
6892.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].text |
那個是要在另外一個風險範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].start |
6892.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].end |
6895.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].text |
所以在訂這個標準的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].start |
6895.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].end |
6897.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].text |
我在講的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].start |
6897.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].end |
6901.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].text |
我們過去食藥署所訂出來第一層下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].start |
6901.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].end |
6903.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].text |
這個是跟歐盟是切齊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].start |
6905.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].end |
6908.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].text |
歐盟就是兩PPB的有品標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].start |
6908.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].end |
6910.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].text |
下架原則就是第一層 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].start |
6910.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].end |
6913.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].text |
所以當年所訂的是跟歐盟切齊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].start |
6913.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].end |
6917.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].text |
並沒有 並不是說去放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].start |
6917.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].end |
6920.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].text |
後來我們是在這個事件之後去加嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].start |
6920.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].end |
6922.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].text |
所以不是放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].start |
6922.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].end |
6924.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].text |
首先你剛在台上已經講得很清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].start |
6924.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].end |
6926.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].text |
你說我是衛福部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].start |
6926.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].end |
6928.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].text |
我就是守護全民的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].start |
6928.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].end |
6929.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].text |
沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].start |
6929.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].end |
6932.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].text |
你這個是經濟部長在講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].start |
6932.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].end |
6936.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].text |
我只是在說明當年第一層下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].start |
6936.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].end |
6939.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].text |
他是按照跟歐盟一樣的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].start |
6939.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].end |
6942.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].text |
我們這次這個事件其實是加嚴的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].start |
6942.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].end |
6945.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].text |
我們來說你那麼在意這一國是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].start |
6945.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].end |
6946.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].text |
那一國是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].start |
6946.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].end |
6951.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].text |
我們發現你昨天早上到下午緊急的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].start |
6952.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].end |
6954.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].text |
更換你的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].start |
6954.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].end |
6959.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].text |
你說有一批人本來是去日本好像口誤了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].start |
6959.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].end |
6962.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].text |
最後你才說查出來是去韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].start |
6962.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].end |
6964.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].text |
你什麼時候通知韓國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
6964.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].end |
6966.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
這個我抱歉啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].start |
6966.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].end |
6968.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].text |
昨天我的記憶有誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].start |
6968.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].end |
6970.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].text |
所以去講成是日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].start |
6970.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].end |
6971.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].text |
其實是韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].start |
6971.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].end |
6973.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].text |
那麼在這個之前就已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].start |
6973.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].end |
6976.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].text |
廠商他就已經通知他的下游了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].start |
6976.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].end |
6977.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].text |
然後我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].start |
6977.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].end |
6979.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].text |
廠商什麼時候通知韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].start |
6980.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].end |
6981.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].text |
這個日期查一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].start |
6983.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].end |
6985.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].text |
你6月30號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].start |
6985.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].end |
6988.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].text |
我看到你的新聞稿是7月6號就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].start |
6988.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].end |
6990.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].text |
30個批號了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].start |
6990.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].end |
6992.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].text |
你7月6號的新聞稿說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].start |
6992.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].end |
6994.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].text |
我們知道有30個批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].start |
6994.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].end |
6997.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].text |
如果你7月6號沒有通知韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].start |
6997.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].end |
7000.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].text |
那你就太對不起你剛剛那段影片了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].start |
7000.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].end |
7002.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].text |
因為你剛說美國是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].start |
7002.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].end |
7004.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].text |
日本是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].start |
7004.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].end |
7006.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].text |
這個其他國家是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].start |
7006.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].end |
7007.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].text |
我現在跟你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].start |
7007.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].end |
7009.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].text |
韓國是2ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].start |
7009.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].end |
7012.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].text |
英佑兒是1ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].start |
7012.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].end |
7014.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].text |
如果你延遲通知韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].start |
7014.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].end |
7016.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].text |
韓國已經有英佑兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].start |
7016.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].end |
7017.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].text |
現在已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].start |
7017.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].end |
7019.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].text |
實用了這個有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].start |
7019.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].end |
7021.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].text |
這跟你剛的影片對得起來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].start |
7022.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].end |
7023.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].text |
你剛的影片是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].start |
7023.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].end |
7025.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].text |
我訂的是對齊歐盟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].start |
7025.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].end |
7026.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].text |
可是你輸出去韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].start |
7026.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].end |
7028.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].text |
韓國的標準就是2ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].start |
7028.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].end |
7029.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].text |
1ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].start |
7029.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].end |
7032.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].text |
我現在只想知道你7月6號就知道有30個批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].start |
7032.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].end |
7034.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].text |
你什麼時候通知韓國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].start |
7035.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].end |
7039.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].text |
跟委員說明這一批是沒有檢體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].start |
7039.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].end |
7040.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].text |
不是他超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].start |
7040.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].end |
7042.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].text |
所以不用通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].start |
7042.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].end |
7043.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].text |
所以他通知的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].start |
7043.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].end |
7046.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].text |
你怎麼要通知人家讓人家驗驗看吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].start |
7046.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].end |
7047.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].start |
7047.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].end |
7050.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].text |
所以他通知的是那個業者他要去驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].start |
7050.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].end |
7052.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].text |
一樣他是自主檢驗的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].start |
7052.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
7054.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].text |
在韓國也是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].start |
7054.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].end |
7056.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].text |
所以他自然拿到這個郵品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].start |
7056.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].end |
7057.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].text |
他要去檢驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].start |
7057.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].end |
7060.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].text |
所以他通知的是他的對口 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].start |
7060.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].end |
7062.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].text |
他進口商那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].start |
7062.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].end |
7066.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].text |
並不是說我們發現有一批我們檢驗出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].start |
7066.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].end |
7068.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].text |
不合格的商品去通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].start |
7068.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].end |
7069.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].text |
那個是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].start |
7069.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].end |
7070.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].text |
那你的意思是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].start |
7070.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].end |
7072.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].text |
那個是因為我們拿不到檢體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].start |
7072.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].end |
7074.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].text |
都是業者通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].start |
7074.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].end |
7076.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
那你昨天幹嘛通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].start |
7076.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].end |
7078.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
你昨天有通知啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].start |
7078.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].end |
7079.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].text |
你昨天也有通知啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].start |
7079.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
7081.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
你說你的新聞稿寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].start |
7081.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
7083.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
你昨天通知了韓國食藥署啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].start |
7083.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].end |
7086.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
我們沒有辦法拿到這個檢體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
7086.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
7087.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
所以請他們參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
7087.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
7088.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
只是這樣而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
7088.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].end |
7091.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
參考說我們沒有拿到這個檢體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
7091.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
7093.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
你幾號通知 6號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
7093.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
7094.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
你通知韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
7094.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
7096.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
還是叫下面的業者自己通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
7096.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
7097.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
業者是先有通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
7097.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
7099.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
那個時間我們再去看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
7099.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
7101.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
有 你剛剛叫他拿文件上來查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
7101.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
7103.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
你到現在還沒告訴我幾號通知的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
7104.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
7105.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
剛不是有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
7105.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
7106.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
再確認一下吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
7106.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
7107.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
剛有一個官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
7107.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
7109.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
拿著文件要告訴我幾號通知韓國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
7112.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
7113.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
7114.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
7115.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
那就查一下吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].start |
7117.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].end |
7118.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].text |
時間暫停 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].start |
7118.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].end |
7119.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].text |
他剛本來走到這邊了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].start |
7120.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].end |
7121.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
好 直接先暫停 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].start |
7126.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
7128.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
我幫韓國人問啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
7128.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
7130.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
他們也很關心自己的小孩啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].start |
7130.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
7131.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
你們七月二號就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
7131.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].end |
7133.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
有一批人要去韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].start |
7133.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
7134.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
韓國標準還比我們更嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].start |
7134.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
7136.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
你還說你要加嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
7136.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
7137.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
人家比我們還更嚴耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].start |
7137.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].end |
7138.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].text |
然後你沒通知他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].start |
7139.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].end |
7140.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].text |
然後你剛剛在那邊講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
7140.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
7141.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
我們要接軌歐盟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
7141.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
7142.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
接軌美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
7147.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
7148.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
查不出來耶 主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
7150.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
7152.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].text |
今天委員會結束以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
7152.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
7154.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].text |
我要三個數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
7155.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
7157.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
什麼時候通知韓國 誰通知的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
7157.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
7159.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
就算你們不知道裡面有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
7159.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
7160.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].text |
你們也要跟人家講吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].start |
7164.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].end |
7165.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].text |
好 可以 時間繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].start |
7165.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
7166.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
7169.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
7171.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
這邊你上禮拜也是沒有回答我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].start |
7173.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
7175.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
上禮拜在這邊我問你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
7175.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
7176.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
你預期你回收多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
7176.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
7178.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
我們現在就回收大概30% |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
7179.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
7181.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].text |
你希望達到多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].start |
7181.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
7183.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].text |
你確認多少回收不回來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
7183.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
7185.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
你不講話 你沒講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
7185.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
7186.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
7186.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
7189.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
另外一個國防外交委員會的委員問出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
7189.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
7191.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
他說國軍已經吃掉50幾桶 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
7192.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].end |
7196.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
你不用知道你KPI應該要做到多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
7196.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
7199.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
有哪一些你應該誠實的跟人民交代 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
7199.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].end |
7201.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
回收不回來了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
7201.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
7203.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
你這樣不是跟環境部一樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
7203.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
7205.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
環境部說光電板 風災丸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
7205.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].end |
7206.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
偏偏有序號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
7206.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
7207.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
全部回收回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
7207.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].end |
7210.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
最後環境部跟經濟部一起出來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].start |
7210.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
7211.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
偏偏收不回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
7211.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
7213.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
然後現在獨有也是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
7213.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
7215.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
你統統找不回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].start |
7215.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].end |
7217.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
你不誠實面對大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
7219.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
7221.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
你們連一個儀表板都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].start |
7221.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
7224.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
你連外府部官網一個儀表板都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].start |
7224.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].end |
7225.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].text |
我今天回收多少了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].start |
7225.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].end |
7228.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].text |
然後告訴大家說多少真的被吃掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].start |
7228.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].end |
7231.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].text |
還有其他委員會一個一個委員去問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].start |
7233.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].end |
7235.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].start |
7235.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].end |
7239.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].text |
這個事件是因為廠商延遲通報那麼久 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].start |
7239.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].end |
7242.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].text |
所以造成我們要追回的時效 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].start |
7242.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].end |
7244.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].text |
嚴重的延遲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].start |
7244.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].end |
7245.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].text |
這個是廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].start |
7245.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].end |
7248.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].text |
這不良的廠商隱匿通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].start |
7248.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].end |
7250.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].text |
那我們沒有辦法及時去回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].start |
7250.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].end |
7254.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].text |
所以我們所回收都已經公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].start |
7254.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].end |
7256.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].text |
多少的量我們都公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].start |
7256.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].end |
7258.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].text |
所以提起來你覺得有一點悲觀 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].start |
7258.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].end |
7260.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].text |
都是因為廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].start |
7260.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].end |
7264.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].text |
所以現在基層回收不回來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].start |
7264.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].end |
7265.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].text |
事實就是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].start |
7265.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].end |
7267.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].text |
如果能夠早一點通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].start |
7267.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].end |
7269.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].text |
你跟全國人民說嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].start |
7269.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].end |
7271.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].text |
你跟全國人民說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].start |
7271.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].end |
7273.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].text |
你就說我是守護食安的衛福部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].start |
7273.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].end |
7276.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].text |
但是我必須很遺憾的告訴大家說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].start |
7276.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].end |
7277.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].text |
七成回收不回來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].start |
7277.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].end |
7279.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].text |
我現在極限就是回收三成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].start |
7279.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].end |
7280.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].text |
是這個意思嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].start |
7280.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].end |
7283.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].text |
現在的事實就是延遲通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].start |
7283.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].end |
7287.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].text |
讓主管機關無法及時的介入去回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].start |
7287.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].end |
7289.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].text |
你一直說他延遲通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].start |
7289.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].end |
7292.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].text |
然後你7月21日成立調查小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].start |
7292.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].end |
7294.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].text |
你有多在乎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].start |
7294.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].end |
7295.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].text |
不是7月21日的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].start |
7295.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].end |
7296.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].text |
你是多在乎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].start |
7296.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].end |
7298.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].text |
7月21日是進場去做最後的確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].start |
7298.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].end |
7301.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].text |
我們的所有的資料的比對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].start |
7301.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].end |
7303.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].text |
然後對於我們這一份報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].start |
7303.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].end |
7304.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].text |
做最後的確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].start |
7304.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].end |
7306.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].text |
因為我們要完成這一份 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].start |
7306.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].end |
7309.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].text |
這個禮拜就會完成這個調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].start |
7309.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].end |
7312.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].text |
那你很簡單的告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].start |
7312.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].end |
7314.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].text |
你覺得有幾%你已經放棄了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].start |
7316.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].end |
7319.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].text |
目前能夠回收到的就是這個數量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].start |
7320.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].end |
7321.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].text |
極限了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].start |
7321.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].end |
7323.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].text |
就是我們公布的這個數量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].start |
7323.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].end |
7325.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].text |
好在這邊你剛說的很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].start |
7325.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].end |
7329.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].text |
7月21日你只是進場去確認所有的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].start |
7329.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].end |
7331.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].text |
我跟你說你們有幾種說法了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].start |
7331.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].end |
7334.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].text |
你們有人說黃豆有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].start |
7334.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].end |
7336.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].text |
有人說黃豆跟製程有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].start |
7336.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].end |
7339.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].text |
舒巧慧說製程有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].start |
7339.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].end |
7341.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].text |
林濟怡說原料製程有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].start |
7341.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].end |
7343.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].text |
石重良說檢體被掉包了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].start |
7343.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].end |
7346.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].text |
你現在到底可以全國人民只關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].start |
7347.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].end |
7349.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].text |
這件事怎麼發生的你釐清了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].start |
7350.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].end |
7352.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].text |
所有的事件都是一連串 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].start |
7353.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].end |
7354.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].text |
都有關聯性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].start |
7354.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].end |
7356.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].text |
不能說就是一個原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].start |
7356.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].end |
7359.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].text |
如果事情這麼單純就好解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].start |
7359.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].end |
7361.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].text |
當然它有它的複雜度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].start |
7361.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].end |
7364.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].text |
再加上它的檢體不確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].start |
7364.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].end |
7367.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].text |
我們一開始檢驗的它的殘留檢體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].start |
7367.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].end |
7369.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].text |
全部都是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].start |
7369.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].end |
7373.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].text |
這個完全跟事實最後的事實完全是被離的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].start |
7373.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].end |
7374.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].text |
因為昨天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].start |
7374.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].end |
7376.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].text |
所以才會增加我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].start |
7376.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].end |
7379.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].text |
確認這個調查事件當的難度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].start |
7379.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].end |
7381.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].text |
所以我們才會花了很多的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].start |
7381.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].end |
7383.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].text |
你昨天的新聞稿是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].start |
7383.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].end |
7385.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].text |
你昨天的新聞稿寫說孔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].start |
7385.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].end |
7388.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].text |
就是你懷疑是因為黃豆的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].start |
7391.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].end |
7392.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].text |
好我們姑且不論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].start |
7392.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].end |
7395.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].text |
6月30號到7月28號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].start |
7395.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].end |
7397.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].text |
你現在有辦法告訴我們7月28號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].start |
7397.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].end |
7399.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].text |
你終於可以知道結果了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].start |
7399.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].end |
7401.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].text |
因為你們說21號進場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].start |
7401.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].end |
7403.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].text |
28號就有完整的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].start |
7403.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].end |
7405.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].text |
這個一般內就可以確認這個調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].start |
7405.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].end |
7410.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].text |
就是我們看到很多的這個不合標準的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].start |
7410.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].end |
7413.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].text |
但是最後要由專家來確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].start |
7413.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].end |
7415.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].text |
它的因果關聯性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].start |
7415.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].end |
7418.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].text |
所以你28號終於會告訴大家為什麼了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].start |
7418.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].end |
7420.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].text |
28號會告訴大家為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].start |
7420.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].end |
7423.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].text |
昨天已經進場去做確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].start |
7423.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].end |
7428.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].text |
那現在這個專家小組正在撰寫這一份最後的這個調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].start |
7428.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].end |
7430.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].text |
28號以前會看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].start |
7430.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].end |
7432.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].text |
好比起以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].start |
7432.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].end |
7436.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].text |
蔡其昌啦陳其邁啦民進黨官網啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].start |
7436.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].end |
7438.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].text |
以前叫行政院長下台的這些人啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].start |
7440.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].end |
7442.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].text |
你現在我們仔細精算嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].start |
7442.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].end |
7445.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].text |
6月30號到7月28號以前30天啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].start |
7445.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].end |
7447.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].text |
你們對自己的容許值啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].start |
7447.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].end |
7448.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].text |
我們剛剛一直在講容許值 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].start |
7448.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].end |
7451.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].text |
你們對自己的容許值也放寬10倍了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].start |
7452.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].end |
7454.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].text |
最在意行政院長要不要下台的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].start |
7454.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].end |
7456.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].text |
現在在機場擺拍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].start |
7456.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].end |
7460.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].text |
上禮拜你說你好關心時安的一個委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].start |
7460.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].end |
7462.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].text |
你去跟他單獨開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].start |
7462.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].end |
7464.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].text |
他關心嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].start |
7464.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].end |
7466.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].text |
他上禮拜質詢有來這裡嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].start |
7466.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].end |
7468.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].text |
他今天有來這裡嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].start |
7468.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].end |
7470.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].text |
你需要去跟他報告什麼嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].start |
7470.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].end |
7472.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].text |
你需要跟他開什麼會嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].start |
7472.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].end |
7474.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].text |
你有跟他學到什麼嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].start |
7474.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].end |
7477.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].text |
他兩年來臨時安臨質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].start |
7477.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].end |
7480.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].text |
臨質詢江志剛署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].start |
7480.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].end |
7484.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].text |
他7月6號早上去跟沈柏楊開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].start |
7484.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].end |
7486.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].text |
因為他說沈柏楊很在乎時安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].start |
7487.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].end |
7489.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].text |
你覺得他這個臉在乎嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].start |
7491.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].end |
7495.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].text |
我想所有的委員的這個質詢我們都會配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].start |
7495.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].end |
7497.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].text |
不是因為他上禮拜說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].start |
7497.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].end |
7498.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].text |
因為他特別在意時安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].start |
7498.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].end |
7500.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].text |
所以他去跟他開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].start |
7500.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].end |
7501.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].text |
可是他也沒來質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].start |
7501.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].end |
7502.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].text |
上次也沒來質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].start |
7502.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].end |
7503.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].text |
今天也沒來質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].start |
7504.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].end |
7506.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].text |
你的標準真的好怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].start |
7506.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].end |
7508.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].text |
所有的委員的觀點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].start |
7508.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].end |
7510.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].text |
我們都一樣會盡量的配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].start |
7510.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].end |
7512.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].text |
最後我們來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].start |
7512.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].end |
7514.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].text |
你們昨天自己覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].start |
7514.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].end |
7516.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].text |
應該是中聯在去年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].start |
7516.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].end |
7522.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].text |
調整了黃豆熱損率放寬了10倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].start |
7522.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].end |
7524.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].text |
這個熱損率是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].start |
7524.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].end |
7526.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].text |
不好意思我已經把你2014到2016 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].start |
7526.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].end |
7528.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].text |
你寫好多文章看完了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].start |
7528.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].end |
7529.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].text |
我今天也不用問你誰寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].start |
7529.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].end |
7530.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].text |
因為我已經知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].start |
7530.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].end |
7532.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].text |
你很在意的HAACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].start |
7532.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].end |
7534.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].text |
你當時也大力的檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].start |
7534.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].end |
7537.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].text |
你覺得HAACCP這個系統是一套 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].start |
7537.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].end |
7540.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].text |
世界上公認對時安最具成效 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].start |
7540.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].end |
7543.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].text |
最具有預防性的自主性管理系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].start |
7543.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].end |
7546.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].text |
從源頭到產品之內的每一個步驟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].start |
7546.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].end |
7549.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
事前的分析可能產生的危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
7549.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].end |
7550.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].text |
我們要問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
7550.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
7552.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
你的HAACCP系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
7552.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
7554.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].text |
去年有看到他們這個節點嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
7554.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
7557.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
他們改變了他們的熱損傷率 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
7557.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
7558.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
你看到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
7561.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
7563.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
這個我想在茶場的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
7563.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
7566.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
主要是由地方去執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
7566.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
7568.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
我在講HAACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
7568.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].end |
7569.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].text |
地方在執行的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
7569.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
7571.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
那麼去看這些文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
7571.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
7573.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
是他在茶場的當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
7573.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
7575.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
那麼可能是其中的一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
7575.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
7576.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].text |
部長我們一起來閱讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
7576.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
7578.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
閱讀他歐新力寫的節奏 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
7578.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].end |
7581.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
HAACCP並非零缺點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
7581.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
7583.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
他2014年就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
7583.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
7585.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
他2014年就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
7585.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
7586.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
以實用油為例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
7586.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
7588.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
政府必須建立安全的架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
7588.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
7590.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
全新的基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
7590.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
7593.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
把油品盡最大的能力去做比對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
7593.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
7596.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
建立食品科學認證機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
7596.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
7598.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
讓所有的下游廠商甚至是消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
7598.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
7601.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
利用HAACCP不同節點的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
7601.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
7603.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
才能把油品對身體的危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
7603.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
7604.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
降到最低 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
7604.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
7605.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
保障全民的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
7605.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
7607.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
他2014年寫得這麼好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
7607.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
7609.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
他上任兩年多什麼都沒做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
7609.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
7611.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
現在問你一個節點你們有抓到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
7611.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
7613.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
你們答不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
7614.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
7616.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
從我們現在這一次的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
7616.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
7618.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
確實也發現他幾個節點上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
7618.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
7620.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
沒有符合標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
7620.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
7622.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
這是我昨天有特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
7622.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
7624.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
去年有示警 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
7624.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
7626.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
去年示警你們了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
7626.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
7628.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
既然節點你們有發現有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
7628.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
7631.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
你不就應該中央系統就知道了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
7633.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
7636.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
那個茶廠我剛剛提到這是地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
7636.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
7638.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
HAACCP是你們的系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
7638.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
7640.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
HAACCP是定一個流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
7640.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
7641.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
但是實際上的查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
7641.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
7644.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
他有沒有按照HAACCP執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
7644.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
7646.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
這個是地方茶廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
7646.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
7648.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
但是他之前就知道有缺點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].start |
7648.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
7650.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
他署長在當教授的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
7650.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
7651.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
就知道有缺點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].start |
7651.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
7654.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
他覺得HAACCP要改進 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
7654.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
7657.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
他如果把他2014到2026想做的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
7657.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
7659.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
都在上任後做完 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
7659.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
7661.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
我們現在還會落到這種地步嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
7661.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
7663.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
好今天就問到這樣謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
7664.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
7666.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
謝謝曾經過我的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
7666.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
7668.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
宣告待會再王一鳴委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
7668.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
7670.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
詢答後休息10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
7670.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
7672.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
現在請邱霍祐委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].start |
7684.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
7686.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
主席還有各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].start |
7686.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
7688.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
各位政府部門同仁大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].start |
7688.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
7690.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
有請部長石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
7690.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
7694.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
有請江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
7694.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
7696.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
好委員早 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
7699.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
7703.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
我今天想跟兩位質詢三件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
7703.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
7705.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
第一件事是毒果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
7705.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
7707.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
第二件事毒友 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
7707.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
7709.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
第三件事毒蛇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
7709.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
7711.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
我們從這三個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
7711.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
7713.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
可以看到衛福部的螺絲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].start |
7713.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].end |
7715.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].text |
真的是掉滿地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].start |
7717.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].end |
7719.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].text |
第一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].start |
7719.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].end |
7721.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].text |
就是毒果的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].start |
7721.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].end |
7723.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].text |
那毒果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].start |
7723.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].end |
7725.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].text |
雖然你們聽到毒蘋果三個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].start |
7725.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].end |
7727.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].text |
不喜歡不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].start |
7727.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].end |
7729.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].text |
但是我必須說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].start |
7729.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].end |
7731.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].text |
在人民的主觀感受裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].start |
7731.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].end |
7733.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].text |
雖然它不是這個分譜零 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].start |
7733.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].end |
7735.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].text |
它是分譜零 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].start |
7735.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].end |
7737.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].text |
但是你本來從0.5的ppm提升到6倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].start |
7737.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].end |
7739.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].text |
也就是3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].start |
7739.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].end |
7741.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].text |
這2.5ppm的差距 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
7741.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].end |
7743.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].text |
在人民的感受裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
7743.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].end |
7745.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].text |
它就是毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].start |
7744.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].end |
7746.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].text |
就是我們要再多吃一點毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
7746.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].end |
7748.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].text |
就是這種感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
7748.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].end |
7750.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].text |
所以我覺得你們不要否認 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
7750.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].end |
7752.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].text |
那是毒蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].start |
7752.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].end |
7754.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].text |
因為在人民的感受裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].start |
7754.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].end |
7756.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].text |
多吃農藥的殘留 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].start |
7756.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].end |
7758.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].text |
其實對他們來說就是多吃毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
7758.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].end |
7760.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].text |
那現在想跟您請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
7761.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].end |
7763.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].text |
草莓呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].start |
7763.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].end |
7765.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].text |
它的ppm這次也放寬了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].start |
7765.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].end |
7767.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].text |
從1放寬到2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].start |
7767.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].end |
7769.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].text |
日本對於蘋果的農藥殘留 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].start |
7769.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].end |
7771.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].text |
它訂的標準也是2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
7771.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].end |
7773.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].text |
那為什麼我們如果要放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].start |
7773.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].end |
7775.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].text |
我們不能夠對齊2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
7775.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].end |
7777.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
我們確實要放寬3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
7777.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
7779.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
那有人在懷疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
7779.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
7781.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].text |
因為美國是5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
7781.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].end |
7783.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
那如果你放寬為3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
7783.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].end |
7785.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].text |
雖然美國的蘋果不會全部進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].start |
7785.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].end |
7787.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].text |
但是可以讓大部分的蘋果進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].start |
7787.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].end |
7789.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].text |
那不知道部長這邊怎麼回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
7789.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
7791.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
訂農藥的mr |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
7791.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
7793.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].text |
當然我們都希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
7793.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].end |
7795.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].text |
大家都不要用農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
7795.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].end |
7797.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].text |
這是最好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
7797.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].end |
7799.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].text |
但是在現實的世界裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
7799.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].end |
7801.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
為了糧食的供應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
7801.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].end |
7803.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].text |
它有它的絕對的必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].start |
7803.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].end |
7805.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].text |
所以我們現在糧食有供應不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].start |
7805.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].end |
7807.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].text |
所以我們才可以確定農藥的mr |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].start |
7807.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].end |
7809.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
那在訂定的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
7809.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].end |
7811.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].text |
當然我們是會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].start |
7811.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].end |
7813.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].text |
參考每一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].start |
7813.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].end |
7815.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].text |
施作的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].start |
7815.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].end |
7817.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].text |
每一類農作物的施作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].start |
7817.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].end |
7819.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].text |
你也施作是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].start |
7819.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].end |
7821.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].text |
所以他會按照他的施作的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].start |
7821.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].end |
7823.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].text |
去訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].start |
7823.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].end |
7825.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].text |
我們不會直接說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].start |
7825.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].end |
7827.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].text |
去對齊哪一個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].start |
7827.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].end |
7829.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].text |
因為我在想 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].start |
7829.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].end |
7831.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].text |
韓國是3ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].start |
7831.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].end |
7833.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].text |
美國是1ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].start |
7833.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].end |
7835.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].text |
我們沒有決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].start |
7835.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].end |
7837.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].text |
去對齊哪一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].start |
7837.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].end |
7839.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].text |
這個都是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].start |
7839.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].end |
7841.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].text |
通過一定的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].start |
7841.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].end |
7843.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].text |
為什麼我們要比別人高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].start |
7843.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].end |
7845.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].text |
看一下你昨天接受採訪是怎麼說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].start |
7845.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].end |
7847.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].text |
人家問你 |
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本評比的標準是不是要調整 |
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7849.01 |
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7851.01 |
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你說關於食安的標準 |
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7851.01 |
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7853.01 |
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當然是越高越好 |
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7855.01 |
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當然是越高越好 |
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7857.01 |
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人民的感受裡頭就是食安的標準越高越好 |
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7857.01 |
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7859.01 |
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沒有人想要越低越好 |
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7859.01 |
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7861.01 |
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那當然目前就是0.5 |
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7863.01 |
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但是你反其道而行 |
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7865.01 |
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你就是讓我們的食安標準數字往上提升 |
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7865.01 |
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7867.01 |
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換個角度講就是食安的標準 |
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7867.01 |
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7869.01 |
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越來越低 |
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7869.01 |
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7871.01 |
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這完全跟你昨天講的話背道而馳 |
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7871.01 |
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7873.01 |
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現在就是0.5 |
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7875.01 |
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所以現在是國際標準漸行失奇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].start |
7875.01 |
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7877.01 |
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但是現在問題是你也沒有對準 |
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7877.01 |
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7879.01 |
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那也沒有一定要對準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].start |
7879.01 |
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7881.01 |
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但是你今天你的數字要給人民一個說法 |
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7881.01 |
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7883.01 |
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那請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].start |
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你這個提高到3ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].start |
7885.01 |
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7887.01 |
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對人民的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].start |
7887.01 |
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7889.01 |
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我知道你們的說法健康無虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].start |
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7891.01 |
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但是人民所關心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].start |
7891.01 |
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7893.01 |
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消基會所關心的不是第一時間吃進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].start |
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7895.01 |
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會不會中毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].start |
7895.01 |
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7897.01 |
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是日積月累的農藥的殘留量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].start |
7897.01 |
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7899.01 |
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吃了蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].start |
7899.01 |
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7901.01 |
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吃了草莓吃了梨子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].start |
7901.01 |
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7903.01 |
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吃了來日積月累 |
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7903.01 |
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7905.01 |
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它可能會造成一個累積的危害效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].start |
7905.01 |
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7907.01 |
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我們擔心的是這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].start |
7907.3 |
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7909.3 |
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跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].start |
7909.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].end |
7911.3 |
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因為所有的這個都還有經過人體的代謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].start |
7911.3 |
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7913.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].text |
所以到底是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].start |
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7915.3 |
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那就是像 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].start |
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7917.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].text |
所以在這個評估的時候 |
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多喝水就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].start |
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7921.3 |
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那如果多喝水 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].start |
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7923.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].text |
那所有的標準都不用訂了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].start |
7923.3 |
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7925.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].text |
政府也不用期待他保管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].start |
7925.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].end |
7927.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].text |
只要人民來多喝水就可以了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].start |
7927.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].end |
7929.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].text |
那現在我再反映一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].start |
7929.3 |
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7931.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].text |
消基會跟人民的行程 |
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7933.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].text |
雖然這個ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].start |
7933.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].end |
7935.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].text |
這個從0.5提升到3 |
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7935.3 |
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7937.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].text |
是一個毒性的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].start |
7937.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].end |
7939.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].text |
但是它是一個食安的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].start |
7939.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].end |
7941.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].text |
你每開放一次就是告訴人們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].start |
7941.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].end |
7943.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].text |
我們的政府容忍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].start |
7943.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].end |
7945.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].text |
人體能夠多增加一點農藥的殘留量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].start |
7945.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].end |
7947.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].text |
我們的政府都無所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].start |
7947.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].end |
7949.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].text |
都不關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].start |
7949.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].end |
7951.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].text |
這個從過去很長期的話 |
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7951.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].end |
7953.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].text |
這個標準的設立都是長期 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].start |
7953.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].end |
7955.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].text |
在滾動修正的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].start |
7955.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].end |
7957.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].text |
對那你現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].start |
7957.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].end |
7959.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].text |
提升到這種程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].start |
7959.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].end |
7961.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].text |
你有沒有跟公眾說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].start |
7961.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].end |
7963.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].start |
7963.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].end |
7965.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].text |
你今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].start |
7965.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].end |
7967.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].text |
也有說113年到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].start |
7967.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].end |
7969.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].text |
所以我們都是依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].start |
7969.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].end |
7971.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].text |
需求然後再經過一定的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].start |
7971.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].end |
7973.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].text |
經過專家委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].start |
7973.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].end |
7975.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].text |
討論之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].start |
7975.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].end |
7977.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].text |
你只告訴大家三言良語 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].start |
7977.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].end |
7979.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].text |
我們沒有看到中間的科學數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].start |
7979.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].end |
7981.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].text |
我們可以把這個科學數據提供給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].start |
7981.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].end |
7983.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].text |
提供給我你不要提供給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].start |
7983.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].end |
7985.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].text |
你要提供給人民你也不要只對我說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].start |
7985.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].end |
7987.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].text |
你要提供給全人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].start |
7987.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].end |
7989.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].text |
你這個在今年4月21號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].start |
7989.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].end |
7991.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].text |
就公告了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].start |
7991.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].end |
7993.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].text |
所以你的說明足夠我們今天不會站在這邊直訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].start |
7993.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].end |
7995.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].text |
不會今天大家有提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].start |
7995.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].end |
7997.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].text |
都是東北的提案出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].start |
7997.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].end |
7999.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].text |
你的規則有出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].start |
7999.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].end |
8001.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].text |
但是我們沒有看到理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].start |
8001.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].end |
8003.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].text |
那大家呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].start |
8003.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].end |
8005.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].text |
其實你沒有說明大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].start |
8005.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].end |
8007.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].text |
就會懷疑說是美國因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].start |
8007.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].end |
8009.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].text |
那蕭基惠呢我想他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].start |
8009.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].end |
8011.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].text |
非常的有這個權威性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].start |
8011.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].end |
8013.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].text |
他說只要美國政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].start |
8013.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].end |
8015.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].text |
提出的我們政府就會配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].start |
8015.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].end |
8017.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].text |
而且是給五毛要五毛給一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].start |
8017.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].end |
8019.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].text |
那如果你沒有詳細的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].start |
8019.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].end |
8021.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].text |
其實就很像了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].start |
8021.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].end |
8023.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].text |
這個完全是沒有根據的說法 |
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8023.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].end |
8025.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].text |
我們沒有說美國的要求 |
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8025.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].end |
8027.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].text |
就是五毛給一塊 |
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8027.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].end |
8029.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].text |
這個完全是沒有根據的說法 |
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8029.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].end |
8031.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].text |
因為你沒有說明大家就為這樣子去懷疑 |
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8031.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].end |
8033.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].text |
好來那我現在 |
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8033.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].end |
8035.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].text |
請教一件事就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].start |
8035.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].end |
8037.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].text |
為什麼0.5要提高大幅的提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].start |
8037.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].end |
8039.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].text |
為什麼 |
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8039.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].end |
8041.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].text |
你不要跟我講說什麼 |
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8041.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].end |
8043.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].text |
111年有提 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].start |
8043.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].end |
8045.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].text |
有提出申請你們做了三年的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].start |
8045.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].end |
8047.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].text |
過去在蘋果放在 |
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8047.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].end |
8049.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].text |
離國類的大類 |
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8049.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].end |
8051.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].text |
這些都是一個犯犯偷向的說辭 |
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8051.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].end |
8053.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].text |
蘋果獨立列向 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].start |
8053.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].end |
8055.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].text |
然後經過風險評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].start |
8055.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].end |
8057.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].text |
經過我們的這個專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].start |
8057.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].end |
8059.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].text |
討論之後所訂定的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].start |
8059.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].end |
8061.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].text |
好那你為什麼不在4月21號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].start |
8061.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].end |
8063.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].text |
公告的同時把我們 |
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8063.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].end |
8065.87 |
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剛蕭基惠的四大訴求 |
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8067.87 |
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一併的說明 |
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你為什麼不在4月21號 |
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公告的時候 |
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一併把這些我們所要求的 |
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科學依據做說明 |
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而是我們理髮委員已經站在那邊 |
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8079.87 |
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已經敢提出了臨時訴求 |
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8079.87 |
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8081.87 |
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你才準備在一個禮拜之前 |
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8081.87 |
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之後回應 |
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我們在1月做預告的時候沒有提出 |
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8085.87 |
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這些訴求如果我們在1月 |
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預告的時候就提出這些訴求 |
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我們也會這樣做 |
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後面我們已經 |
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8095.87 |
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公告之後 |
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8097.87 |
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我們來看一下有石安的專家 |
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他說 |
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8101.87 |
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只要石安的標準有提高 |
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8101.87 |
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8103.87 |
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政府就應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].start |
8103.87 |
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8105.87 |
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主動的揭露主動的溝通給 |
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8105.87 |
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8107.87 |
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所有的利害關係人 |
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8107.87 |
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8109.87 |
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所以你應該主動的溝通 |
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8111.87 |
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主動的揭露而不是說 |
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8113.87 |
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當時大家沒有提出疑問 |
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8113.87 |
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8115.87 |
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所以你公告那等人民有提出疑問 |
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你再來慢慢溝通而且 |
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8119.87 |
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人民有提出疑問等你再來慢慢 |
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8119.87 |
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8121.87 |
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溝通的時候其實已經 |
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8121.87 |
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8123.87 |
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讓人家看到整個政府的失能 |
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8125.87 |
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跟失序了來部長請問一下你 |
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認不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].start |
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專家診所改變 |
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要主動喔是主動 |
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8131.87 |
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8133.87 |
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不是人民問才回應 |
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8135.87 |
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所以應該要主動資料結識 |
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8135.87 |
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8137.87 |
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再來要主動溝通請問一下 |
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蘋果從零點五開放到 |
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8141.87 |
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3ppm這件事有沒有主動的說明 |
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8143.87 |
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有沒有主動的溝通 |
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有沒有 |
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8145.02 |
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8147.02 |
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這個都有經過相關的會議嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].start |
8147.02 |
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8149.02 |
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相關的會議是你們內部的 |
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8149.02 |
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8151.02 |
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就像20%的有以上 |
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8151.02 |
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8153.02 |
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以下是你們內部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].start |
8153.02 |
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8155.02 |
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這個有沒有主動來跟利害關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].start |
8155.02 |
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8157.02 |
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人來做一個主動的溝通跟主動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].start |
8157.02 |
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8159.02 |
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揭露簡答題嗎有或沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].start |
8159.02 |
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8161.02 |
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我們都有進行溝通 |
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8161.02 |
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8163.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].text |
不過如果有溝通不足的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].start |
8163.02 |
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8165.02 |
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地方我們未來來改進 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].start |
8165.02 |
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8167.02 |
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好來署長你認同這樣的說法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].start |
8167.02 |
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8169.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].text |
食安標準改變的話要主動溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].start |
8169.02 |
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8171.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].text |
主動揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].start |
8171.23 |
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8173.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].text |
謝謝委員的指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].start |
8173.23 |
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8175.23 |
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完全認同嘛 |
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8175.23 |
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8177.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].text |
風險溝通的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].start |
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8179.23 |
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因為所有的利害關係者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].start |
8179.23 |
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8181.23 |
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要讓所有人都能夠清楚知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].start |
8181.23 |
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8183.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].text |
這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].start |
8183.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].end |
8185.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].text |
有他的困難度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].start |
8185.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].end |
8187.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].text |
完全認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].start |
8187.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].end |
8189.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].text |
只是說困難度的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].start |
8189.23 |
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8191.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].text |
你覺得你當了署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].start |
8191.23 |
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8193.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].text |
之後你發現有困難度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].start |
8193.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].end |
8195.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].text |
所有的利害關係者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].start |
8195.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].end |
8197.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].text |
那你們都認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].start |
8197.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].end |
8199.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].text |
但是呢你們卻是用一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].start |
8199.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].end |
8201.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].text |
文宣品就在打發所有的利害關係者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].start |
8201.23 |
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8203.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].text |
你們只是用一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].start |
8203.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].end |
8205.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].text |
這樣的文宣品就在打發 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].start |
8205.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].end |
8207.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].text |
所有的關係者你們覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].start |
8207.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].end |
8209.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].text |
這樣的完整度文宣品的完整度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].start |
8209.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].end |
8211.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].text |
跟科學度跟資料的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].start |
8211.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].end |
8213.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].text |
仔細度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].start |
8213.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].end |
8215.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].text |
其實跟消灰的四個訴求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].start |
8215.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].end |
8217.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].text |
呼應的起來嗎好像是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].start |
8217.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].end |
8219.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].text |
拿小學生的作業要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].start |
8219.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].end |
8221.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].text |
呼應這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].start |
8221.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].end |
8223.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].text |
我們人民心中所期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].start |
8223.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].end |
8225.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].text |
一個要至少大學級 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].start |
8225.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].end |
8227.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].text |
碩士級博士級的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].start |
8227.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].end |
8229.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].text |
完全沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].start |
8229.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].end |
8231.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].text |
所以一張文宣品就要打發 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].start |
8231.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].end |
8233.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].text |
所以我現在只是想問署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].start |
8233.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].end |
8235.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].text |
學者在講啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].start |
8235.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].end |
8237.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].text |
你署長有沒有在聽啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].start |
8237.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].end |
8239.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].text |
要主動揭露啦要主動的溝通啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].start |
8239.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].end |
8241.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].text |
有沒有在聽學者在講署長有沒有在聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].start |
8243.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].end |
8245.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].text |
我們持續的精進 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].start |
8245.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].end |
8247.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].text |
我現在告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].start |
8247.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].end |
8249.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].text |
2026年的署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].start |
8249.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].end |
8251.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].text |
顯然 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].start |
8251.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].end |
8253.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].text |
對這個學者其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].start |
8253.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].end |
8255.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].text |
沒有完全以為然的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].start |
8255.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].end |
8257.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].text |
因為當時這個學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].start |
8257.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].end |
8259.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].text |
誇誇其詞完全沒想到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].start |
8259.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].end |
8261.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].text |
實務的困境就是說要主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].start |
8261.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].end |
8263.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].text |
溝通要主動揭示 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].start |
8263.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].end |
8265.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].text |
等他當了署長之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].start |
8265.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].end |
8267.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].text |
問題一大堆困境一大堆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].start |
8267.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].end |
8269.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].text |
阻力一大堆署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].start |
8269.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].end |
8271.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].text |
你知道這是哪一個學者了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].start |
8271.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].end |
8273.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].text |
我給你這麼多線索跟暗示你知道哪個學者了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].start |
8275.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].end |
8277.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].text |
這個就是你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].start |
8277.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].end |
8279.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].text |
發言被記錄下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].start |
8279.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].end |
8281.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].text |
在一個叫農傳媒的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].start |
8281.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].end |
8283.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].text |
報導當中做一個披露 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].start |
8283.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].end |
8285.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].text |
你當時在當學者的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].start |
8285.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
8287.57 |
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沒有講這麼多實務困境 |
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8287.57 |
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8289.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].text |
沒有講這麼多阻力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].start |
8289.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
8291.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].text |
那真的是換了一個位置 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].start |
8291.57 |
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8293.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].text |
這個專業的論述也會做了一些折扣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].start |
8293.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].end |
8295.57 |
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跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].start |
8295.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].end |
8297.57 |
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我對於食品安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].start |
8297.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].end |
8299.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].text |
科學評估風險評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].start |
8299.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
8301.57 |
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風險分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
8301.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
8303.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].text |
包含風險溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].start |
8303.57 |
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8305.57 |
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風險評估跟風險管理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
8305.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
8307.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].text |
理念跟執行從來都沒有改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].start |
8307.57 |
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8309.57 |
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沒有改變可是當你身體力行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
8309.57 |
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8311.57 |
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的時候你就是用一張文宣品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
8311.57 |
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8313.57 |
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在打發全部的厲害關係人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].start |
8313.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
8315.57 |
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你不是說要跟所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
8315.57 |
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8317.57 |
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政府應該主動跟所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].start |
8317.57 |
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8319.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].text |
厲害關係人請問一下政府有主動嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].start |
8319.57 |
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8321.57 |
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有主動的話今天立法委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
8321.57 |
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8323.57 |
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就不會站在這邊質詢了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].start |
8323.57 |
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8325.57 |
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那所以沒有主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].start |
8325.57 |
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8327.57 |
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完全沒有主動那你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].start |
8327.57 |
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8329.57 |
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食物有食物的困境那我們現在知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].start |
8329.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].end |
8331.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].text |
學者可以高談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].start |
8331.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].end |
8333.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].text |
學者可以高談闊論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].start |
8333.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].end |
8335.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].text |
那在高談闊論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].start |
8335.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].end |
8337.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].text |
怎麼他沒有想到食物的困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].start |
8337.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].end |
8339.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].text |
等他當署長的時候就想到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].start |
8339.57 |
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8341.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].text |
食物的困境到底是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].start |
8341.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].end |
8343.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].text |
2026的署長有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].start |
8343.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].end |
8345.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].text |
還是2017的江志剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].start |
8345.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].end |
8347.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].text |
學者有問題這個答案留待大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].start |
8347.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].end |
8349.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].text |
自己去公評 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].start |
8349.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].end |
8351.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].text |
那我現在請教一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
8351.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].end |
8353.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].text |
就是回到油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].start |
8353.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
8355.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].text |
油品道歉也像擠牙膏 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].start |
8355.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].end |
8357.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].text |
這個7月8號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].start |
8357.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
8359.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].text |
的時候部長你道歉過一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].start |
8359.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].end |
8361.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
說為政策反覆來道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].start |
8361.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].end |
8363.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].text |
然後呢這個卓榮泰院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].start |
8363.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].end |
8365.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].text |
在17號跟18號也都 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].start |
8365.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].end |
8367.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].text |
沒有第一時間查到所有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].start |
8367.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].end |
8369.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].text |
的這個問題油品的道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].start |
8369.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].end |
8371.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].text |
道歉感覺像擠牙膏 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].start |
8371.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].end |
8373.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].text |
東擠一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].start |
8373.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].end |
8375.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].text |
西擠一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].start |
8376.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
8378.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].text |
那我現在的問題就是說可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].start |
8378.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].end |
8380.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].text |
有一個像樣的道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].start |
8380.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].end |
8382.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].text |
有一個像樣的道歉對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].start |
8382.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].end |
8384.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].text |
油品流向不明道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].start |
8384.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].end |
8386.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].text |
對於損害的擴大道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].start |
8386.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].end |
8388.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].text |
對於這個毒油事件到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].start |
8388.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].end |
8390.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].text |
還沒有止血道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].start |
8390.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].end |
8392.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].text |
可不可以有一個認認真真的道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].start |
8392.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].end |
8394.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].text |
給我們全國的人民來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].start |
8394.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].end |
8396.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].text |
這個政府不是失能的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].start |
8396.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].end |
8398.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].text |
是有肩膀的願意負起責任的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].start |
8398.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].end |
8400.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].text |
有沒有一個像樣的道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].start |
8400.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].end |
8402.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].text |
跟我們說明對於這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].start |
8402.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].end |
8404.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].text |
4月到6月那麼中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
8404.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].end |
8406.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].text |
所生產的這些油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
8406.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].end |
8408.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].text |
那麼我們都已經調查完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].start |
8408.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].end |
8410.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].text |
那麼證明了就是有7批 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].start |
8410.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].end |
8412.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
的油品是超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
8412.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].end |
8414.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].text |
有前面性的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
8414.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].end |
8416.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
那麼至於其他的批示 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
8416.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].end |
8418.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
我們都完成了逐批的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
8418.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].end |
8420.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
檢驗那麼可以安全上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].start |
8420.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].end |
8422.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].text |
沒關係今天有機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].start |
8422.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].end |
8424.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].text |
可以讓你好好的道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].start |
8424.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].end |
8426.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].text |
如果不是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].start |
8426.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].end |
8428.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].text |
人民覺得你的誠意不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
8428.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].end |
8430.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
7月25號不會有大規模的人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].start |
8430.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].end |
8432.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
要上街頭來跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].start |
8432.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].end |
8434.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].text |
失能的政府來抗議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].start |
8434.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].end |
8436.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].text |
今天有一個可以讓你認認真真 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
8436.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].end |
8438.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].text |
做個像樣道歉的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].start |
8438.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].end |
8440.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
那如果你要錯失這個機會沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].start |
8440.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].end |
8442.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].text |
反正人民自己會有公斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].start |
8442.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].end |
8444.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].text |
好來接著 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].start |
8444.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].end |
8446.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].text |
上個禮拜專案會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].start |
8446.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].end |
8448.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].text |
我有問院長就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].start |
8448.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].end |
8450.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].text |
上台靠機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].start |
8450.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].end |
8452.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].text |
下台靠智慧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].start |
8452.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].end |
8454.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].text |
他的著內閣有沒有人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].start |
8454.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].end |
8456.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].text |
有下台的智慧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].start |
8456.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].end |
8458.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].text |
他說官員如果不適任他自然會處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].start |
8458.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].end |
8460.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].text |
好那我現在問你請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].start |
8460.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].end |
8462.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].text |
院長會處理你嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].start |
8462.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].end |
8464.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].text |
你覺得院長會處理你嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].start |
8464.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].end |
8466.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].text |
因為他說有適任跟不適任他自然會處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].start |
8466.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].end |
8468.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].text |
你覺得他會處理你嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].start |
8468.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].end |
8472.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].text |
我自己想你一定會問這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].start |
8473.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].end |
8475.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].text |
那你一定也會知道我的答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].start |
8475.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].end |
8477.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].text |
我不知道我真的不知道你告訴我你的答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].start |
8479.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].end |
8481.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].text |
就是我不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].start |
8482.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].end |
8484.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].text |
你不知道好那我現在告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].start |
8484.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].end |
8488.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].text |
我覺得院長關愛的眼神 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].start |
8488.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].end |
8490.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].text |
我是確定有飄向江志剛署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].start |
8490.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].end |
8494.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].text |
因為有在關心他眼中有沒有血絲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].start |
8494.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].end |
8496.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].text |
那你的血絲到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].start |
8496.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].end |
8498.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].text |
有被部長院長關心過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].start |
8500.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].end |
8502.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].text |
他有慰問過你這陣子的辛勞嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].start |
8502.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].end |
8504.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].text |
我的眼睛目前都 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].start |
8504.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].end |
8506.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].text |
維持的還好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].start |
8506.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].end |
8508.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].text |
但是有沒有關心到辛勞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].start |
8508.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].end |
8510.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].text |
辛勞一定有的吧你不會說你處理這個毒藥案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].start |
8510.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].end |
8512.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].text |
處理到23天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].start |
8512.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].end |
8514.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].text |
到現在都還沒有辛勞他有慰問你的辛勞嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].start |
8514.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].end |
8516.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].text |
我謝謝委員的關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].start |
8516.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].end |
8518.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].text |
謝謝我的關心好那反正呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].start |
8518.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].end |
8520.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].text |
你覺得院長會不會處理你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].start |
8520.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].end |
8522.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].text |
那我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].start |
8522.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].end |
8524.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].text |
他會不會處理你呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].start |
8524.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].end |
8526.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].text |
這是我們全民睜大眼睛要看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].start |
8526.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].end |
8528.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].text |
因為你20%當經費委員質詢你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].start |
8528.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].end |
8530.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].text |
到現在還說不清楚我接著他繼續問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].start |
8530.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].end |
8532.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].text |
請問20%學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].start |
8532.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].end |
8534.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].text |
我們孤影其名也許有暴露學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].start |
8534.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].end |
8536.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].text |
姓名的為難度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].start |
8536.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].end |
8538.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].text |
好我們也不要為難學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].start |
8538.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].end |
8540.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].text |
請問幾個學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].start |
8540.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].end |
8542.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].text |
你們當天找了幾個學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].start |
8542.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].end |
8544.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].text |
來把那20%我們講幾個就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].start |
8544.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].end |
8546.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].text |
幾個總能揭露吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].start |
8546.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].end |
8548.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].text |
姓名不揭露幾個總能揭露吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].start |
8550.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].end |
8552.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].text |
如果你連幾個都不敢揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].start |
8552.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].end |
8554.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].text |
可以下台了啦不用院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].start |
8554.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].end |
8556.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].text |
處理都可以自動下台了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].start |
8556.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].end |
8558.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].text |
來幾個我今天就要問幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].start |
8558.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].end |
8560.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].text |
你講三個就三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].start |
8560.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].end |
8562.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].text |
如果沒有這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].start |
8562.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].end |
8564.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].text |
那你今天就是虛構 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].start |
8564.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].end |
8566.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].text |
你虛構的話你就是得下台 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].start |
8566.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].end |
8568.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].text |
因為你完全經不起政治人物的道德檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].start |
8568.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].end |
8570.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].text |
來幾個幾個學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].start |
8570.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].end |
8572.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].text |
孤影其名我們不講人名幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].start |
8573.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].end |
8575.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].text |
我們在邀請有現場出席的學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].start |
8575.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].end |
8577.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].start |
8577.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].end |
8579.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].text |
以及線上出席的學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].start |
8580.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].end |
8582.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].text |
印象中是第一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].start |
8582.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].end |
8584.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].text |
總共有七位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].start |
8584.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].end |
8586.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].text |
總共七位嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].start |
8586.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].end |
8588.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].text |
背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].start |
8588.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].end |
8590.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].text |
沒問題背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].start |
8590.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].end |
8592.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].text |
我們孤影其名你今天20%的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].start |
8592.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].end |
8594.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].text |
有品要留向人名 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].start |
8594.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].end |
8596.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].text |
這中間要有專業我們要評估他有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].start |
8596.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].end |
8598.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].text |
專業性孤影其名 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].start |
8598.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].end |
8600.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].text |
七個然後專家背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].start |
8600.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].end |
8602.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].text |
都包含了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].start |
8602.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].end |
8604.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].text |
一些有品製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].start |
8604.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].end |
8606.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].text |
然後食品安全風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].start |
8606.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].end |
8608.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].text |
評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].start |
8608.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].end |
8610.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].text |
等等面向都都 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].start |
8610.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].end |
8612.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].text |
含在裡面其實各方面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].start |
8612.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].end |
8614.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].text |
其實你這三個是幾個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].start |
8614.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].end |
8616.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].text |
你這三個製程獨立 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].start |
8616.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].end |
8618.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].text |
這個是幾個人不會一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].start |
8618.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].end |
8620.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].text |
其他六個人不是專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].start |
8620.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].end |
8622.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].text |
不是這個專業了吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].start |
8622.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].end |
8624.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].text |
所以其實各個專業部分我們可以跟委員再進一步的完整的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].start |
8624.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].end |
8626.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].text |
沒有你現在就可以說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].start |
8626.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].end |
8628.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].text |
你不要私下跟我說明這是大家關心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].start |
8628.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].end |
8630.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].text |
因為20%從7月4號炒到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].start |
8630.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].end |
8632.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].text |
你的七個委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].start |
8632.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].end |
8634.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].text |
請問你說的你剛講什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].start |
8634.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].end |
8636.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].text |
獨立製程還有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].start |
8636.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].end |
8638.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].text |
你這三個是三合一嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].start |
8638.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].end |
8640.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].text |
三合一在一個學者身上嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].start |
8640.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].end |
8642.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].text |
其他六個學者是什麼背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].start |
8643.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].end |
8645.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].text |
其他六個學者是什麼背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].start |
8645.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].end |
8647.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].text |
我想相關於全面性的風險評估的背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].start |
8647.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].end |
8649.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].text |
他們都擁有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].start |
8648.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].end |
8650.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].text |
那你就告訴我嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].start |
8650.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].end |
8652.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].text |
護理嘛醫療嘛法規嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].start |
8652.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].end |
8654.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].text |
生物科技嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].start |
8654.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].end |
8656.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].text |
不能提供嘛現在連專家學者的背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].start |
8656.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].end |
8658.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].text |
都不能提供嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].start |
8658.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].end |
8660.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].text |
我們已經不想為難學者了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].start |
8660.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].end |
8662.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].text |
因為學者所給的專業建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].start |
8662.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].end |
8664.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].text |
其實最後還是要交給衛福部的把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].start |
8664.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].end |
8666.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].text |
我們不想為難學者我們只是想知道幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].start |
8666.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].end |
8668.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].text |
我們只是想知道他們專業背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].start |
8668.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].end |
8670.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].text |
市售人民健康的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].start |
8670.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].end |
8672.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].text |
毒油事件我們是不是交給 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].start |
8672.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].end |
8674.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].text |
專業人員來做把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].start |
8674.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].end |
8676.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].text |
所以七個背景是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].start |
8676.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].end |
8678.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].text |
第一個背景是什麼它是什麼系的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].start |
8680.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].end |
8682.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].text |
它是什麼系的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].start |
8682.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].end |
8684.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].text |
教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].start |
8684.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].end |
8686.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].text |
或者是什麼專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].start |
8686.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].end |
8688.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].text |
一個整體的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].start |
8688.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].end |
8690.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].text |
整個食品專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].start |
8690.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].end |
8692.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].text |
背景的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].start |
8692.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].end |
8694.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].text |
有兩位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].start |
8694.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].end |
8696.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].text |
你說什麼學 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].start |
8696.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].end |
8698.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].text |
獨立學 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].start |
8698.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].end |
8700.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].text |
食品科學的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].start |
8700.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].end |
8702.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].text |
有兩位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].start |
8702.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].end |
8704.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].text |
有品加工的有兩位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].start |
8704.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].end |
8706.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].text |
其實他們有很多內涵的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].start |
8706.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].end |
8708.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].text |
是重疊的都有他們的專業存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].start |
8708.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].end |
8710.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].text |
好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].start |
8710.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].end |
8712.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].text |
是我們值得信任的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].start |
8712.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].end |
8714.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].text |
所以就是七個嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].start |
8714.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].end |
8716.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].text |
然後還有七個人都各自有這些背景嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].start |
8716.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].end |
8718.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].text |
七個人都有這些背景嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].start |
8719.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].end |
8721.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].text |
七個都有這些背景嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].start |
8721.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].end |
8723.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].text |
是嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].start |
8723.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].end |
8725.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].text |
七個人就是有這相關的背景嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].start |
8725.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].end |
8727.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].text |
好那沒有關係反正有一天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].start |
8727.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].end |
8729.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].text |
名單曝光了我們就拿今天你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].start |
8729.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].end |
8731.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].text |
回答來檢視是不是由專業人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].start |
8731.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].end |
8733.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].text |
來替我們把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].start |
8733.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].end |
8735.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].text |
來吳征說又不是我逼你吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].start |
8735.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].end |
8737.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].text |
那我現在問部長請問你對於他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].start |
8737.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].end |
8739.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].text |
這番話認同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].start |
8739.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].end |
8741.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].text |
你的comment是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].start |
8742.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].end |
8744.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].text |
我們在面對這些事件的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].start |
8744.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].end |
8746.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].text |
我們都要用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].start |
8747.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].end |
8749.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].text |
同理謙卑的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].start |
8749.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].end |
8751.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].text |
這個在我們在處理這個事件的過程上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].start |
8751.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].end |
8753.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].text |
都是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].start |
8753.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].end |
8755.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].text |
為人民的健康把關是我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].start |
8755.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].end |
8757.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].text |
所以不認同啊聽起來不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].start |
8757.76 |
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8759.76 |
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那我現在第二個問題就是不用逼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].start |
8759.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].end |
8761.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].text |
也吃得到嘛他說又不是我逼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].start |
8761.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].end |
8763.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].text |
你吃問題是吳征你不用逼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].start |
8763.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].end |
8765.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].text |
大家吃大家也吃得到啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].start |
8765.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].end |
8767.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].text |
為什麼大家吃得到不是被吳征逼才 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].start |
8767.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].end |
8769.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].text |
吃得到是因為這些毒品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].start |
8769.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].end |
8771.76 |
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流竄不用逼也吃得到請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].start |
8771.76 |
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8773.76 |
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一下毒品流竄不用逼也吃得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].start |
8773.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].end |
8775.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].text |
到底是誰的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].start |
8775.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].end |
8777.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].text |
大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].start |
8776.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].end |
8778.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].text |
你現在甩鍋給業者甩鍋給地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].start |
8778.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].end |
8780.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].text |
請問是誰的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].start |
8780.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].end |
8782.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].text |
我們在食品安全上當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].start |
8782.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].end |
8784.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].text |
業者有他的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].start |
8784.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].end |
8786.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].text |
就像金輝文當初的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].start |
8786.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].end |
8788.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].text |
製造的一定業者的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].start |
8788.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].end |
8790.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].text |
很多已經不可考了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].start |
8790.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].end |
8792.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].text |
中央跟地方一起合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].start |
8792.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].end |
8794.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].text |
因為都已經流到人民的肚子了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].start |
8794.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].end |
8796.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].text |
業者一定有他的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].start |
8796.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].end |
8798.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].text |
地方政府的責任也可以做一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].start |
8798.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].end |
8800.94 |
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檢討但是中央政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].start |
8800.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].end |
8802.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].text |
絕對是責無旁貸的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].start |
8802.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].end |
8804.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].text |
在甩鍋之餘好好的回頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].start |
8804.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].end |
8806.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].text |
請示自己的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].start |
8806.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].end |
8808.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].text |
三者都是責無旁貸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].start |
8808.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].end |
8810.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].text |
我們來看一下毒蛇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].start |
8810.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].end |
8812.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].text |
毒蛇事件是什麼毒蛇事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].start |
8812.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].end |
8814.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].text |
因為你講了一些話傷了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].start |
8814.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].end |
8816.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].text |
同志的心在同志的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].start |
8816.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].end |
8818.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].text |
耳朵聽起來那就是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].start |
8818.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].end |
8820.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].text |
毒蛇毒蛇的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].start |
8820.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].end |
8822.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].text |
上個禮拜我們在這個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].start |
8822.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].end |
8824.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].text |
做人工生殖法的一個審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].start |
8824.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].end |
8826.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].text |
那你說同志 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].start |
8826.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].end |
8828.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].start |
8828.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].end |
8830.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].text |
同志叫做結合關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].start |
8830.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].end |
8832.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].text |
那我告訴你同志團體大炸鍋 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].start |
8832.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].end |
8834.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].text |
他說什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].start |
8834.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].end |
8836.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].text |
我們的身份證翻過來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].start |
8836.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].end |
8838.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].text |
人家還有舉證身份證翻過來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].start |
8838.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].end |
8840.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].text |
我的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].start |
8840.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].end |
8842.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].text |
你所謂的結合關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].start |
8842.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].end |
8844.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].text |
的伴侶他就是配偶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].start |
8844.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].end |
8846.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].text |
人家身份證已經翻過來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].start |
8846.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].end |
8848.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].text |
打臉你說我們就是配偶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].start |
8848.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].end |
8850.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].text |
你說人家不是配偶是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].start |
8850.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].end |
8852.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].text |
這個叫什麼結合關係好先別急 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].start |
8852.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].end |
8854.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].text |
來我們看一下同志 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].start |
8854.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].end |
8856.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].text |
聯盟他們怎麼說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].start |
8856.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].end |
8858.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].text |
部長的發言不是一時的口誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].start |
8858.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].end |
8860.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].text |
是衛福部部長長期以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].start |
8860.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].end |
8862.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].text |
根深蒂固的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].start |
8862.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].end |
8864.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].text |
旗艦拒絕與時 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].start |
8864.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].end |
8866.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].text |
距近的旗艦好我先問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].start |
8866.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].end |
8868.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].text |
要不要針對你這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].start |
8868.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].end |
8870.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].text |
說法跟同志道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].start |
8870.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].end |
8872.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].text |
當天是在做修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].start |
8872.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].end |
8874.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].text |
條文上所以我們是用法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].start |
8874.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].end |
8876.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].text |
上要把它入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].start |
8876.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].end |
8878.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].text |
所以我當然當時是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].start |
8878.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].end |
8880.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].text |
愉快了啦其實最主要是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].start |
8880.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].end |
8882.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].text |
在討論在入法的時候那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].start |
8882.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].end |
8884.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].text |
法律的用語要對應到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].start |
8884.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].end |
8886.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].text |
但同志你的內心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].start |
8886.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].end |
8888.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].text |
這個現實上的用字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].start |
8888.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].end |
8890.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].text |
才能夠對齊啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].start |
8890.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].end |
8892.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].text |
而且他們也要求你道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].start |
8892.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].end |
8894.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].text |
你要不要做一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].start |
8894.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].end |
8896.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].text |
原本我們的這個人工生殖法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].start |
8896.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].end |
8898.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].text |
裡面用的是配偶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].start |
8898.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].end |
8900.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].text |
但是我們這次要破大道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].start |
8900.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].end |
8902.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].text |
破大道這個同婚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].start |
8902.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].end |
8904.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].text |
所以我要說明清楚說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].start |
8904.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].end |
8906.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].text |
你不要幫我出名啊你要跟同志團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].start |
8906.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].end |
8908.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].text |
我也沒辦法去幫你說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].start |
8908.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].end |
8910.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].text |
你不道歉也沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].start |
8910.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].end |
8912.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].text |
但是我覺得你出法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].start |
8912.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].end |
8914.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].text |
同志團體不要覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].start |
8914.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].end |
8916.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].text |
我們的衛福部與其部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].start |
8916.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].end |
8918.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].text |
是一個根深蒂固 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].start |
8918.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].end |
8920.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].text |
拒絕與時拒盡的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].start |
8920.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].end |
8922.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].text |
旗艦性意見的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].start |
8922.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].end |
8924.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].text |
衛福部或者是部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].start |
8924.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].end |
8926.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].text |
沒有所以你不道歉你至少要說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].start |
8926.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].end |
8928.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].text |
這是我的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].start |
8928.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].end |
8930.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].text |
我們不會有任何的歧視我們絕對是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].start |
8930.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].end |
8932.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].text |
尊重多元性別這個沒有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].start |
8932.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].end |
8934.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].text |
這個立場上是絕對沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].start |
8934.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].end |
8936.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].text |
反正你不道歉然後也不說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].start |
8936.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].end |
8938.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].text |
我就不知道同志團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].start |
8938.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].end |
8940.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].text |
這個是在立法的時候我們希望用字精準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].start |
8940.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].end |
8942.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].text |
好沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].start |
8942.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].end |
8944.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].text |
那現在你們應該是一個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].start |
8944.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].end |
8946.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].text |
可以給我們這答案嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].start |
8946.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].end |
8948.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].text |
聽起來就是一個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].start |
8948.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].end |
8950.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].text |
因為我的訴求跟臨時提案上面的訴求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].start |
8950.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].end |
8952.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].text |
是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].start |
8952.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].end |
8954.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].text |
左邊這邊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].start |
8954.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].end |
8956.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].text |
就是這裡的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].start |
8956.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].end |
8958.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].text |
也請你並回答一個禮拜之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].start |
8958.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].end |
8960.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].text |
回覆可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].start |
8960.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].end |
8962.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].text |
一個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].start |
8962.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].end |
8964.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].text |
你有提到一個禮拜可以提供資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].start |
8964.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].end |
8966.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].text |
在臨時提案裡面好像也都有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].start |
8966.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].end |
8968.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].text |
再請回覆好謝謝部長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].start |
8971.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].end |
8973.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].text |
謝謝邱鶴入委員的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].start |
8973.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].end |
8975.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].text |
現在請王玉明委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].start |
8984.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].end |
8986.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].text |
好謝謝主席我們有請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].start |
8986.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].end |
8988.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].text |
有請市政兩部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].start |
8991.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].end |
8993.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].text |
好委員好部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].start |
8993.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].end |
8995.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].text |
部長這一波的毒油風暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].start |
8995.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].end |
8997.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].text |
最新的消息是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].start |
8997.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].end |
8999.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].text |
這一波毒油還消亡的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].start |
8999.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].end |
9001.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].text |
南韓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].start |
9001.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].end |
9003.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].text |
這簡直是丟臉丟到國外去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].start |
9003.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].end |
9005.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].text |
那這個第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].start |
9005.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].end |
9007.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].text |
你們說好家宅 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].start |
9007.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].end |
9009.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].text |
是到日本日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].start |
9009.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].end |
9011.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].text |
沒有訂本扁平的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].start |
9011.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].end |
9013.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].text |
所以沒有關係也不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].start |
9013.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].end |
9015.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].text |
這就是一種非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].start |
9015.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].end |
9017.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].text |
輕忽跟僥倖的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].start |
9017.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].end |
9019.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].text |
態度結果現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].start |
9019.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].end |
9021.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].text |
你們昨天晚上最新更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].start |
9021.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].end |
9023.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].text |
是消亡南韓去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].start |
9024.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].end |
9026.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].text |
那南韓的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].start |
9026.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].end |
9028.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].text |
跟我們一樣跟歐盟一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].start |
9028.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].end |
9030.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].text |
都是相對嚴格的一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].start |
9031.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].end |
9033.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].text |
我們輸了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].start |
9033.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].end |
9035.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].text |
不知道他的品質如何的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].start |
9035.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].end |
9037.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].text |
由到了南韓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].start |
9037.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].end |
9039.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].text |
因為這一批是沒有樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].start |
9040.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].end |
9042.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].text |
沒有樣本問題也很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].start |
9042.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].end |
9044.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].text |
為什麼一個廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].start |
9044.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].end |
9046.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].text |
你好幾批的都有樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].start |
9046.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].end |
9048.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].text |
這一批就獨漏了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].start |
9048.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].end |
9050.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].text |
沒有樣本是沒有樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].start |
9050.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].end |
9052.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].text |
還是銷毀還是隱匿 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].start |
9052.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].end |
9054.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].text |
你們查清楚了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].start |
9054.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].end |
9056.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].text |
跟委員說明這個我們都有查清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].start |
9056.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].end |
9058.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].text |
第一個呢他是有樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].start |
9058.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].end |
9060.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].text |
在中聯裡面有樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].start |
9060.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].end |
9062.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].text |
那個樣本驗起來是合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].start |
9062.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].end |
9064.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].text |
那但是因為呢他所有的樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].start |
9064.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].end |
9066.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].text |
驗起來呢都合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].start |
9066.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].end |
9068.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].text |
但是我們在下游驗出不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].start |
9068.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].end |
9070.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].text |
所以我們才會全面性的從 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].start |
9070.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].end |
9072.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].text |
中間這一層 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].start |
9072.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].end |
9074.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].text |
就是福茂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].start |
9074.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].end |
9076.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].text |
這個福壽跟泰山他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].start |
9076.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].end |
9078.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].text |
存留的原油的樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].start |
9078.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].end |
9080.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].text |
所以你一定不相信他的樣本了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].start |
9080.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].end |
9082.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].text |
所以他的樣本基本上他驗的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].start |
9082.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].end |
9084.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].text |
已經沒有意義了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].start |
9084.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].end |
9086.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].text |
沒有相信了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].start |
9086.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].end |
9088.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].text |
所以現在南韓應該是差在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].start |
9088.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].end |
9090.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].text |
因為他是出口 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].start |
9090.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].end |
9092.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].text |
我覺得我們是一個負責任的政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].start |
9092.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].end |
9094.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].text |
這不是只有廠商的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].start |
9094.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].end |
9096.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].text |
我們應該要對應跟南韓的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].start |
9096.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].end |
9098.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].text |
食藥署相關的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].start |
9098.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].end |
9100.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].text |
很負責任的告知他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].start |
9100.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].end |
9102.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].text |
有這樣的情況請他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].start |
9102.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].end |
9104.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].text |
拜託他們儘快加驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].start |
9104.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].end |
9106.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].text |
確認這一批到底有沒有超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].start |
9106.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].end |
9108.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].text |
這才是一個負責任的政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].start |
9108.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].end |
9110.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].text |
該做的事情吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].start |
9110.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].end |
9112.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].text |
有沒有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].start |
9112.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].end |
9114.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].text |
在7月14號這個廠商就已經通知他的對方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].start |
9114.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].end |
9116.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].text |
那我們說這個油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].start |
9116.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].end |
9118.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].text |
那我們再去追一下他們有沒有驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].start |
9118.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].end |
9120.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].text |
驗出來趕快告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].start |
9120.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].end |
9122.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].text |
我們不要台灣的油品的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].start |
9122.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].end |
9124.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].text |
這一部分我們都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].start |
9124.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].end |
9126.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].text |
我們真的油品的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].start |
9126.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].end |
9128.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].text |
這一波還掃到國外去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].start |
9128.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].end |
9130.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].text |
這樣真的是太丟臉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].start |
9130.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].end |
9132.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].text |
代表我們台灣在我們的品管各方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].start |
9132.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].end |
9134.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].text |
真的是有疏漏 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].start |
9134.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].end |
9136.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].text |
接下來我要問你們是你們到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].start |
9136.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].end |
9138.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].text |
一直沒有辦法回答的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].start |
9138.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].end |
9140.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].text |
就是1到3月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].start |
9140.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].end |
9142.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].text |
1到3月的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].start |
9142.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].end |
9144.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].text |
到底有沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].start |
9144.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].end |
9146.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].text |
你們沒有向上追查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].start |
9146.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].end |
9148.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].text |
我從第一次問你的時候就問了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].start |
9148.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].end |
9150.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].text |
都沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].start |
9150.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].end |
9152.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].text |
到目前這個驗出來的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].start |
9152.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].end |
9154.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].text |
都出來了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].start |
9154.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].end |
9156.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].text |
因為4到6月7批有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].start |
9156.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].end |
9158.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].text |
我們也是擴大1到3月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].start |
9158.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].end |
9160.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].text |
到目前還沒有驗出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].start |
9161.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].end |
9163.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].text |
都驗了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].start |
9163.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].end |
9165.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].text |
確定沒有問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].start |
9165.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].end |
9167.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].text |
那好那我就要問原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].start |
9167.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].end |
9169.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].text |
那怎麼會這麼奇怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].start |
9169.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].end |
9171.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].text |
就是昨天署長最新講的說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].start |
9171.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].end |
9173.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].text |
因為這個巴西的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].start |
9173.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].end |
9175.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].text |
就是它的熱損傷率 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].start |
9175.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].end |
9177.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].text |
他們自省從0.5%放寬到5% |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].start |
9177.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].end |
9179.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].text |
那請問業者做這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].start |
9179.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].end |
9181.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].text |
我看到你們新聞稿是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].start |
9181.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].end |
9183.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].text |
去年就做這樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].start |
9183.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].end |
9185.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].text |
那如果這個是主因的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].start |
9185.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].end |
9187.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].text |
怎麼會有的有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].start |
9187.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].end |
9189.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].text |
有的有又沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].start |
9189.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].end |
9191.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].text |
應該也都是有用巴西的黃豆吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].start |
9191.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].end |
9193.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].text |
因為我找到知道去年就有進 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].start |
9193.32 |
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9195.32 |
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那今年也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].start |
9195.32 |
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9197.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].text |
那如果它是一個重要的因素的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].start |
9197.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].end |
9199.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].text |
為什麼在你們30批裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].start |
9199.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].end |
9201.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].text |
會有的有有的沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].start |
9201.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].end |
9203.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].text |
好跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].start |
9203.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].end |
9205.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].text |
因為現在專家的見解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].start |
9205.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].end |
9207.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].text |
那最後的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].start |
9207.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].end |
9209.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].text |
還在撰寫中啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].start |
9209.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].end |
9211.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].text |
那麼以目前我們專家的見解上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].start |
9211.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].end |
9213.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].text |
當然這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].start |
9213.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].end |
9215.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].text |
熱損利率是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].start |
9215.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].end |
9217.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].text |
驗收的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].start |
9217.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].end |
9219.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].text |
沒有辦法完全等同於品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].start |
9219.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].end |
9221.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].text |
所以在品質上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].start |
9221.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].end |
9225.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].text |
確實在4月份的這一批的品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].start |
9225.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].end |
9227.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].text |
他們有不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].start |
9227.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].end |
9231.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].text |
入傳批的那個來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].start |
9231.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].end |
9233.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].text |
它的不同傳批在4月份的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].start |
9233.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].end |
9235.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].text |
這個品質是特別不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].start |
9235.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].end |
9237.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].text |
所以造成它 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].start |
9237.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].end |
9239.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].text |
那4月份的量有多大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].start |
9239.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].end |
9241.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].text |
就是幾噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].start |
9241.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].end |
9243.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].text |
就是4月份做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].start |
9243.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].end |
9245.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].text |
因為它那一批品質特別不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].start |
9245.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].end |
9247.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].text |
所以它可能這個本品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].start |
9247.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].end |
9249.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].text |
含量特別高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].start |
9249.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].end |
9251.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].text |
然後它又沒有驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].start |
9251.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].end |
9253.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].text |
就是說這個黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].start |
9253.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].end |
9255.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].text |
本身的品質就不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].start |
9255.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].end |
9257.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].text |
那它又沒有驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].start |
9257.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].end |
9259.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].text |
所以它這個問題可能是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].start |
9259.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].end |
9261.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].text |
出在這個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].start |
9261.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].end |
9263.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].text |
所以它的製程到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].start |
9263.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].end |
9265.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].text |
你們覺得製程是沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].start |
9265.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].end |
9267.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].text |
就是原料端的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].start |
9267.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].end |
9269.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].text |
製程上它還是要改 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].start |
9269.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].end |
9271.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].text |
因為它有很多的管制點沒有達標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].start |
9271.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].end |
9273.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].text |
從我們這個集合它的HA |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].start |
9273.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].end |
9275.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].text |
它的這些管制點沒有完全達標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].start |
9275.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].end |
9277.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].text |
你們從今年至少是今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].start |
9277.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].end |
9279.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].text |
從1月份到6月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].start |
9279.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].end |
9281.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].text |
到底巴西黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].start |
9281.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].end |
9283.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].text |
他們進口量多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].start |
9283.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].end |
9285.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].text |
然後用的多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].start |
9285.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].end |
9287.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].text |
還有這個本甜品它的原豆含量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].start |
9287.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].end |
9289.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].text |
因為你們一直說它的熱損傷率 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].start |
9289.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].end |
9291.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].text |
就是從0.5%到5% |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].start |
9291.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].end |
9293.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].text |
它是放大了10倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].start |
9293.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].end |
9295.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].text |
如果是從去年的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].start |
9295.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].end |
9297.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].text |
照大量今年進來的豆子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].start |
9297.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].end |
9299.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].text |
可能都有這樣的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].start |
9299.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].end |
9301.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].text |
那我不知道你們還能不能回溯追查追查的到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].start |
9301.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].end |
9303.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].text |
到底它所有占的比例是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].start |
9303.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].end |
9305.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].text |
然後會導致 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].start |
9305.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].end |
9307.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].text |
4到6月份你們現在查出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].start |
9307.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].end |
9309.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].text |
這幾批通通有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].start |
9309.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].end |
9311.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].text |
我覺得要給社會各界一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].start |
9311.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].end |
9313.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].text |
非常詳實的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].start |
9313.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].end |
9315.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].text |
因為你們一直到昨天才進查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].start |
9315.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].end |
9317.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].text |
然後再一次去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].start |
9317.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].end |
9319.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].text |
事實上這個速度都有點慢了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].start |
9319.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].end |
9321.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].text |
既然慢了你出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].start |
9321.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].end |
9323.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].text |
報告就要非常的完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].start |
9323.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].end |
9325.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].text |
我要的是一個很完整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].start |
9325.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].end |
9327.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].text |
徹底的檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].start |
9327.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].end |
9329.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].text |
跟原因的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].start |
9329.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].end |
9331.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].start |
9331.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].end |
9333.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].text |
其實我們之前都有我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].start |
9333.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].end |
9335.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].text |
這個食品組 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].start |
9335.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].end |
9337.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].text |
還有相關的人員都一起去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].start |
9337.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].end |
9339.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].text |
沒關係你直接回答我還有別的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].start |
9339.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].end |
9341.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].text |
你這個完整的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].start |
9341.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].end |
9343.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].text |
告訴外界這次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].start |
9343.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].end |
9345.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].text |
這個食安風暴真正的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].start |
9345.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].end |
9347.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].text |
整個的詳細調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].start |
9347.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].end |
9349.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].text |
什麼時候會完成對外正式公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].start |
9349.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].end |
9351.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].text |
這個禮拜我們就會正式完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].start |
9351.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].end |
9353.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].text |
因為昨天是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].start |
9353.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].end |
9355.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].text |
昨天專家進去幫我們確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].start |
9355.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].end |
9357.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].text |
禮拜幾要對外公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].start |
9356.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].end |
9358.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].text |
禮拜幾我們現在在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].start |
9358.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].end |
9360.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].text |
各界都很關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].start |
9360.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].end |
9362.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].text |
應該在這個禮拜內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].start |
9362.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].end |
9364.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].text |
這個禮拜內會把所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].start |
9364.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].end |
9366.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].text |
報告告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].start |
9366.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].end |
9368.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].text |
這一件事情的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].start |
9368.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].end |
9370.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].text |
報告就可以完成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].start |
9370.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].end |
9372.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].text |
這件事情真的問題很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].start |
9372.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].end |
9374.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].text |
另外一個是修法的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].start |
9374.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].end |
9376.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].text |
昨天的這個修法會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].start |
9376.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].end |
9378.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].text |
地方政府都傻眼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].start |
9378.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].end |
9380.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].text |
就是到現場看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].start |
9380.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].end |
9382.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].text |
你們衛福部跟法務部跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].start |
9382.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].end |
9384.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].text |
行政院其他單位之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].start |
9384.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].end |
9386.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].text |
都還沒有談好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].start |
9386.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].end |
9388.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].text |
大家就匆匆忙忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].start |
9388.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].end |
9390.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].text |
也把六都的市長找來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].start |
9390.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].end |
9392.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].text |
所以包括蔣萬安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].start |
9392.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].end |
9394.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].text |
市長跟盧瑄市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].start |
9394.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].end |
9396.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].text |
他們開了兩個小時之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].start |
9396.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].end |
9398.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].text |
他們覺得這種開法真的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].start |
9398.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].end |
9400.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].text |
沒有效率而且你們事先都 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].start |
9400.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].end |
9402.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].text |
不先整合好一個版本再跟地方對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].start |
9402.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].end |
9404.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].text |
都還沒有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].start |
9404.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].end |
9406.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].text |
就匆匆忙忙找他們來背書 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].start |
9406.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].end |
9408.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].text |
所以他們覺得沒有辦法接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].start |
9408.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].end |
9410.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].text |
這當中事實上還涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].start |
9410.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].end |
9412.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].text |
中央的職權跟地方的職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].start |
9412.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].end |
9414.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].text |
現在這個你們一直要說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].start |
9414.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].end |
9416.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].text |
地方政府有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].start |
9416.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].end |
9418.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].text |
地方政府有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].start |
9418.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].end |
9420.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].text |
但是我們把整個食安法攤開來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].start |
9420.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].end |
9422.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].text |
2014年的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].start |
9422.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].end |
9424.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].text |
我有參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].start |
9424.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].end |
9426.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].text |
當時我不知道部長您當時是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].start |
9426.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].end |
9428.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].text |
逐祕還是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].start |
9428.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].end |
9430.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].text |
當時你在衛福部是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].start |
9430.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].end |
9432.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].text |
你有參與修法嗎 沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].start |
9432.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].end |
9434.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].text |
那個時候還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].start |
9434.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].end |
9436.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].text |
食安辦的主任有參與修法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].start |
9436.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].end |
9438.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].text |
你們都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].start |
9438.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].end |
9440.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].text |
當時修法的精神很重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].start |
9440.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].end |
9442.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].text |
現在食安法的二之一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].start |
9442.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].end |
9444.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].text |
這個是新增的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].start |
9444.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].end |
9446.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].text |
還有食安法的第四條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].start |
9446.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].end |
9448.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].text |
二之一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].start |
9449.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].end |
9451.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].text |
這個你們可以去翻所有的法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].start |
9451.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].end |
9453.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].text |
很少直接指定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].start |
9453.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].end |
9455.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].text |
院長他必須 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].start |
9455.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].end |
9457.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].text |
擔任召集人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].start |
9458.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].end |
9460.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].text |
當時就是大家非常重視食安事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].start |
9460.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].end |
9462.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].text |
所以增加了二之一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].start |
9462.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].end |
9464.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].text |
食安會報也是那個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].start |
9464.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].end |
9466.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].text |
增加出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].start |
9466.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].end |
9468.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].text |
必須由院長擔任召集人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].start |
9468.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].end |
9470.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].text |
而且遇到重大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].start |
9470.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].end |
9472.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].text |
這個風暴的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].start |
9472.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].end |
9474.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].text |
要召開臨時會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].start |
9476.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].end |
9478.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].text |
所以院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].start |
9478.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].end |
9480.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].text |
他擔任一個非常重要的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].start |
9480.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].end |
9482.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].text |
為什麼 因為食安的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].start |
9482.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].end |
9484.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].text |
怎麼會一直說是地方的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].start |
9484.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].end |
9486.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].text |
食安的議題坦白講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].start |
9486.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].end |
9488.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].text |
他必須是一條邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].start |
9488.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].end |
9490.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].text |
他必須是跨部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].start |
9490.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].end |
9492.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].text |
他必須是由一個最高有權力的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].start |
9492.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].end |
9494.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].text |
來統籌所有的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].start |
9494.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].end |
9496.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].text |
所以這是食安法當時上一波修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].start |
9496.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].end |
9498.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].text |
最重要的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].start |
9498.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].end |
9500.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].text |
食安法第二條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].start |
9500.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].end |
9502.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].text |
請大家把它翻出來好好地看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].start |
9502.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].end |
9504.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].text |
重大事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].start |
9504.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].end |
9506.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].text |
有一個指揮機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].start |
9506.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].end |
9508.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].text |
要再寫更清楚我也不反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].start |
9508.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].end |
9510.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].text |
但是坦白講 食安法的二之一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].start |
9510.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].end |
9512.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].text |
已經賦予了整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].start |
9512.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].end |
9514.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].text |
中央行政機關非常高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].start |
9514.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].end |
9516.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].text |
權限 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].start |
9516.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].end |
9518.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].text |
沒有寫你們不能做嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].start |
9518.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].end |
9520.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].text |
過去的重大食安事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].start |
9520.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].end |
9522.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].text |
哪一次不是中央擔起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].start |
9522.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].end |
9524.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].text |
食藥署擔起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].start |
9524.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].end |
9526.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].text |
統一一條邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].start |
9526.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].end |
9528.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].text |
要求各縣市要怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].start |
9528.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].end |
9530.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].text |
這個叫指揮運作 為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].start |
9530.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].end |
9532.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].text |
所有的食安議題不會是單一縣市的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].start |
9532.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].end |
9534.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].text |
就讓這個有品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].start |
9533.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].end |
9535.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].text |
現在有問題的產品到下游去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].start |
9535.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].end |
9537.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].text |
本島 離島全部都中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].start |
9537.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].end |
9539.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].text |
怎麼可能是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].start |
9539.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].end |
9541.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].text |
只有單一的縣市擔得起的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].start |
9541.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].end |
9543.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].text |
這是為什麼我們要給食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].start |
9543.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].end |
9545.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].text |
這麼多的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].start |
9545.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].end |
9547.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].text |
我們要設食安辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].start |
9547.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].end |
9549.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].text |
行政院別忘了還有食安辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].start |
9550.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].end |
9552.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].text |
就代表食安這一題本來就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].start |
9552.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].end |
9556.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].text |
跨部會中央指揮地方一條邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].start |
9556.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].end |
9558.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].text |
是這樣子的運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].start |
9558.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].end |
9560.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].text |
現在大家為了卸責 拼命去攻擊地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].start |
9560.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].end |
9562.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].text |
我如果是地方政府的食安人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].start |
9562.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].end |
9564.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].text |
真的是心寒無比 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].start |
9564.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].end |
9566.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].text |
陳其邁市長昨天就講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].start |
9566.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].end |
9568.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].text |
聽中央的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].start |
9568.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].end |
9570.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].text |
一下子叫我上架一下子下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].start |
9571.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].end |
9573.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].text |
地方就是類似基層 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].start |
9574.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].end |
9576.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].text |
所以這個大家已經不需要去爭辯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].start |
9576.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].end |
9578.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].text |
食安這一題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].start |
9578.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].end |
9580.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].text |
完完全全中央就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].start |
9580.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].end |
9582.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].text |
有指揮監督的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].start |
9582.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].end |
9584.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].text |
而且食安法第二條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].start |
9584.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].end |
9586.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].text |
這麼高層級的食安會報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].start |
9586.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].end |
9588.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].text |
是他失靈他沒有發揮功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].start |
9588.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].end |
9590.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].text |
不是說現在不能做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].start |
9590.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].end |
9592.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].text |
大家都一直說要修法什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].start |
9592.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].end |
9594.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].text |
事實上你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].start |
9594.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].end |
9596.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].text |
沒有修法的情況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].start |
9596.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].end |
9598.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].text |
通通都可以做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].start |
9598.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].end |
9600.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].text |
所以我希望這一題大家不要再去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].start |
9600.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].end |
9602.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].text |
講什麼中央地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].start |
9602.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].end |
9604.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].text |
甚至轉而去攻擊地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].start |
9604.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].end |
9606.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].text |
這都是沒有意義的地方坦白講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].start |
9606.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].end |
9608.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].text |
他就是執行你們講了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].start |
9608.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].end |
9610.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].text |
他照你的命令他就是去幫你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].start |
9610.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].end |
9612.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].text |
把那些產品下架幫你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].start |
9612.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].end |
9614.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].text |
去稽查更何況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].start |
9614.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].end |
9616.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].text |
你中央還有專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].start |
9616.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].end |
9618.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].text |
食藥署你們過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].start |
9618.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].end |
9620.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].text |
辦專案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].start |
9620.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].end |
9622.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].text |
稽查就是為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].start |
9622.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].end |
9624.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].text |
因為這個涉及到重大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].start |
9624.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].end |
9626.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].text |
一定是中央要扛起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].start |
9626.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].end |
9628.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].text |
這個已經不需要再去爭辯的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].start |
9628.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].end |
9630.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].start |
9629.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].end |
9631.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].text |
未來的修法我希望大家好好的談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].start |
9631.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].end |
9633.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].text |
這件事情不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].start |
9633.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].end |
9635.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].text |
有黨派之分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].start |
9635.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].end |
9637.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].text |
也不是中央地方之分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].start |
9637.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].end |
9639.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].text |
而是因為這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].start |
9639.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].end |
9641.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].text |
到底還有哪一些特別是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].start |
9641.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].end |
9643.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].text |
業者的責任過去我們太相信他了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].start |
9643.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].end |
9645.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].text |
未來就是強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].start |
9645.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].end |
9647.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].text |
我們的查律機制就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].start |
9647.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].end |
9649.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].text |
像中央政府就可以指揮地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].start |
9649.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].end |
9651.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].text |
就是你要求什麼樣的有品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].start |
9651.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].end |
9653.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].text |
你們要強力稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].start |
9653.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].end |
9655.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].text |
你沒有哪一次專案地方不配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].start |
9655.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].end |
9657.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].text |
沒有啊只要你發動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].start |
9657.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].end |
9659.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].text |
沒有人不配合了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].start |
9659.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].end |
9661.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].text |
所以我覺得修法大家可以好好再來談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].start |
9661.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].end |
9663.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].text |
接下來我要問今天我們講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].start |
9663.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].end |
9665.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].text |
這個蘋果這一題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].start |
9665.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].end |
9667.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].text |
我大概簡單說明其實在昨天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].start |
9667.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].end |
9669.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].text |
修法的討論裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].start |
9669.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].end |
9671.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].text |
中央跟地方其實大家對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].start |
9671.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].end |
9673.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].text |
成立這個重大食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].start |
9673.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].end |
9675.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].text |
安全事件的指揮中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].start |
9675.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].end |
9677.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].text |
這個大家是有共識的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].start |
9677.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].end |
9679.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].text |
因為最重要的是他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].start |
9679.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].end |
9681.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].text |
要明確的授權這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].start |
9681.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].end |
9683.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].text |
這個指揮中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].start |
9683.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].end |
9685.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].text |
能夠去統合調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].start |
9685.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].end |
9687.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].text |
因為時間的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].start |
9687.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].end |
9689.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].text |
我要進入到下一題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].start |
9689.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].end |
9691.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].text |
這個就是蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].start |
9691.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].end |
9693.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].text |
我手上這個有標示著 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].start |
9693.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].end |
9695.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].text |
兩個蘋果分譜你的量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].start |
9695.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].end |
9697.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].text |
一個這個是0.5ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].start |
9697.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].end |
9699.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].text |
一個是3ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].start |
9699.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].end |
9701.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].text |
請問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].start |
9701.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].end |
9703.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].text |
如果讓你可以選擇的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].start |
9703.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].end |
9705.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].text |
你要吃哪一顆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].start |
9705.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].end |
9707.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].text |
都一樣啦因為我們都是經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].start |
9707.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].end |
9709.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].text |
安全這個評估之後都可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].start |
9709.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].end |
9711.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].text |
都可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].start |
9711.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].end |
9713.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].text |
那你跟一般政策人不太一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].start |
9713.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].end |
9715.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].text |
如果是一般的正常人的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].start |
9715.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].end |
9717.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].text |
我相信大家寧可選 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].start |
9717.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].end |
9719.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].text |
這一顆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].start |
9719.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].end |
9721.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].text |
0.5ppm 為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].start |
9722.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].end |
9724.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].text |
農藥當然是吃越少越好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].start |
9724.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].end |
9726.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].text |
不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].start |
9726.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].end |
9728.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].text |
我們自己對自己的健康我們最在乎了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].start |
9728.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].end |
9730.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].text |
更何況大家說什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].start |
9730.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].end |
9732.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].text |
天天一蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].start |
9733.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].end |
9735.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].text |
下一句 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].start |
9736.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].end |
9738.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].text |
醫師的臉都綠了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].start |
9738.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].end |
9740.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].text |
是這一句嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].start |
9740.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].end |
9742.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].text |
醫師可以遠離我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].start |
9742.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].end |
9744.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].text |
天天一蘋果醫師可以遠離我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].start |
9744.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].end |
9746.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].text |
為什麼部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].start |
9746.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].end |
9748.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].text |
你們現在還不知道為什麼這次蘋果的風暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].start |
9748.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].end |
9750.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].text |
引發這麼大的民怨 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].start |
9750.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].end |
9752.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].text |
因為很多人把蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].start |
9752.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].end |
9754.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].text |
這個水果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].start |
9754.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].end |
9756.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].text |
是當成天天吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].start |
9757.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].end |
9759.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].text |
而且要小朋友天天吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].start |
9759.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].end |
9761.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].text |
你知道很多的小朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].start |
9761.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].end |
9763.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].text |
你看我們很多醫師在點頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].start |
9763.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].end |
9765.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].text |
他要他的小朋友天天吃蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].start |
9765.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].end |
9767.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].text |
因為醫師可以遠離我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].start |
9767.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].end |
9769.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].text |
他是被視為是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].start |
9769.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].end |
9771.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].text |
健康的國民的水果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].start |
9771.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].end |
9773.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].text |
所以在這樣的一個品項上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].start |
9773.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].end |
9775.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].text |
你說專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].start |
9775.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].end |
9777.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].text |
然後就把它放寬六倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].start |
9777.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].end |
9779.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].text |
我跟你說你去市場問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].start |
9779.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].end |
9781.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].text |
很多人的反彈 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].start |
9781.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].end |
9783.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].text |
超乎你的想像 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].start |
9783.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].end |
9785.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].text |
為什麼剛剛一開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].start |
9785.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].end |
9787.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].text |
為什麼剛剛一開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].start |
9787.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].end |
9789.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].text |
我們就要透過這樣的一個臨時提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].start |
9790.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].end |
9792.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].text |
因為民意代表是反應民意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].start |
9792.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].end |
9794.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].text |
這真的是民怨 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].start |
9794.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].end |
9796.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].text |
怨翻天了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].start |
9796.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].end |
9798.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].text |
更何況你知道蘋果有一些小baby |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].start |
9798.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].end |
9800.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].text |
他還沒有辦法吃食物的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].start |
9800.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].end |
9802.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].text |
阿公阿嬤會很細心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].start |
9802.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].end |
9804.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].text |
去刮那個蘋果泥 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].start |
9804.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].end |
9806.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].text |
餵他的金孫你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].start |
9807.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].end |
9809.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].text |
當你這個你原本可以守住0.5ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].start |
9809.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].end |
9811.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].text |
當你這個你原本可以守住0.5ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].start |
9811.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].end |
9813.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].text |
你硬要給他放寬的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].start |
9813.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].end |
9815.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].text |
民眾就怒了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].start |
9815.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].end |
9817.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].text |
民眾問一個問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].start |
9817.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].end |
9819.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].text |
為什麼不能照原來的就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].start |
9820 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].end |
9822 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].text |
為什麼要改 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].start |
9821.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].end |
9823.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].text |
不改有什麼問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].start |
9823.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].end |
9825.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].text |
我今天就告訴你我提出幾個數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].start |
9825.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].end |
9827.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].text |
我們來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].start |
9827.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].end |
9829.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].text |
在美國他們自己的市場監測 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].start |
9829.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].end |
9831.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].text |
2024年我找不到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].start |
9831.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].end |
9833.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].text |
他們704件蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].start |
9833.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].end |
9835.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].text |
只有5件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].start |
9835.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].end |
9837.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].text |
減出分普寧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].start |
9837.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].end |
9839.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].text |
它的濃度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].start |
9839.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].end |
9841.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].text |
0.006到0.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].start |
9841.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].end |
9843.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].text |
全部低於我們的0.5ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].start |
9843.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].end |
9845.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].text |
另外一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].start |
9845.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].end |
9847.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].text |
我們的邊境進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].start |
9847.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].end |
9849.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].text |
如果這個數字有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].start |
9849.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].end |
9851.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].text |
你們可以指出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].start |
9851.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].end |
9853.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].text |
到目前為止美國進口來的這個蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].start |
9853.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].end |
9855.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].text |
總共19批 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].start |
9856.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].end |
9858.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].text |
這19批當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].start |
9858.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].end |
9860.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].text |
跟分普寧超標的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].start |
9860.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].end |
9862.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].text |
0批 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].start |
9863.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].end |
9865.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].text |
都是其他的農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].start |
9865.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].end |
9867.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].text |
為什麼要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].start |
9866.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].end |
9868.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].text |
變更標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].start |
9868.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].end |
9870.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].text |
這個就是我要問你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].start |
9870.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].end |
9872.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].text |
再下一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].start |
9870.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].end |
9872.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].text |
變更標準你們說是一個進口商提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].start |
9872.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].end |
9874.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].text |
這一個進口商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].start |
9874.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].end |
9876.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].text |
請問是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].start |
9876.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].end |
9878.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].text |
駐有化學農藥公司嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].start |
9878.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].end |
9880.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].text |
是Exponent代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].start |
9880.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].end |
9882.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].text |
駐有化學有限公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].start |
9882.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].end |
9884.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].text |
申請進口的容許量嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].start |
9884.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].end |
9886.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].text |
是或不是請回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].start |
9889.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].end |
9891.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].start |
9891.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].end |
9893.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].start |
9892.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].end |
9894.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].text |
上面這一層應該是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].start |
9894.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].end |
9896.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].text |
consultant一個顧問公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].start |
9896.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].end |
9898.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].text |
代替日本駐有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].start |
9898.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].end |
9900.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].text |
然後提出的申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].start |
9900.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].end |
9902.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].text |
他是一家農藥公司對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].start |
9903.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].end |
9905.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].text |
上面這個應該是一個顧問公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].start |
9905.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].end |
9907.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].text |
對日本駐有化學是不是一家農藥公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].start |
9910.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].end |
9912.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].text |
是有跟化學相關的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].start |
9912.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].end |
9914.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].start |
9913.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].end |
9915.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].text |
所以你是在幫一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].start |
9916.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].end |
9918.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].text |
賣化學藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].start |
9918.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].end |
9920.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].text |
賣農藥的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].start |
9920.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].end |
9922.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].text |
他透過顧問公司來申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].start |
9922.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].end |
9924.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].text |
結果我們的政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].start |
9924.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].end |
9926.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].text |
就開專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].start |
9926.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].end |
9928.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].text |
然後幫他放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].start |
9928.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].end |
9930.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].text |
有這等道理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].start |
9930.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].end |
9932.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].text |
難道民眾都怒了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].start |
9933.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].end |
9935.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].text |
怎麼可以這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].start |
9935.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].end |
9937.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].text |
他不是農業團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].start |
9937.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].end |
9939.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].text |
他不是台灣的農民說這個農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].start |
9939.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].end |
9941.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].text |
這樣子我們會種不下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].start |
9941.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].end |
9943.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].text |
我要放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].start |
9943.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].end |
9945.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].text |
竟然是由日本駐有化學 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].start |
9945.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].end |
9947.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].text |
然後他透過一個顧問公司來申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].start |
9947.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].end |
9949.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].text |
你還好意思說是進口商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].start |
9949.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].end |
9951.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].text |
哪個進口商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].start |
9951.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].end |
9953.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].text |
根本就是一間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].start |
9953.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].end |
9955.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].text |
賣農藥的化學公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].start |
9956.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].end |
9958.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].text |
有這種道理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].start |
9959.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].end |
9961.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].text |
美國賣蘋果日本賣農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].start |
9961.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].end |
9963.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].text |
我們吃藥產的毒蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].start |
9963.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].end |
9965.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].text |
還要放寬標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].start |
9966.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].end |
9968.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].text |
本來0.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].start |
9968.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].end |
9970.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].text |
0.5ppm沒有任何問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].start |
9970.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].end |
9972.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].text |
也沒有放寬的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].start |
9972.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].end |
9974.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].text |
你們今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].start |
9974.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].end |
9976.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].text |
因為一個顧問公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].start |
9976.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].end |
9978.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].text |
代表日本駐有化學來申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].start |
9980.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].end |
9982.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].text |
然後就開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].start |
9982.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].end |
9984.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].text |
然後就同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].start |
9984.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].end |
9986.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].text |
然後就放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].start |
9985.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].end |
9987.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].text |
我們的食安是這樣子把關的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].start |
9987.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].end |
9989.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].text |
我們是站在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].start |
9989.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].end |
9991.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].text |
化學藥學公司這邊嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].start |
9991.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].end |
9993.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].text |
是站在農藥上這邊嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].start |
9993.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].end |
9995.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].text |
我們不是應該要站在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].start |
9995.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].end |
9997.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].text |
人民的健康這邊嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].start |
9998.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].end |
10000.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].text |
開章啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].start |
9999.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].end |
10001.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].start |
10001.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].end |
10003.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].start |
10003.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].end |
10005.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].text |
當然在這個審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].start |
10005.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].end |
10007.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].text |
我非常生氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].start |
10007.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].end |
10009.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].text |
需要有很多的文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].start |
10009.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].end |
10011.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].text |
這不是文件的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].start |
10011.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].end |
10013.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].text |
這是必要性的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].start |
10013.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].end |
10015.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].text |
你為什麼要呼應 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].start |
10015.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].end |
10017.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].text |
你為什麼要呼應這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].start |
10017.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].end |
10019.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].text |
農藥商的呼應 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].start |
10019.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].end |
10021.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].text |
我們在把關上面還是根據科學的證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].start |
10021.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].end |
10023.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].text |
你不要再說科學了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].start |
10023.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].end |
10025.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].text |
我們再來看下一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].start |
10025.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].end |
10027.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].text |
我們看我們的食藥署都在做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].start |
10027.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].end |
10031.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].text |
這一波所開放的174樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].start |
10031.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].end |
10033.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].text |
這個藥產的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].start |
10033.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].end |
10035.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].text |
你知道農民團體幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].start |
10035.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].end |
10037.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].text |
你們都說是為了農民團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].start |
10039.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].end |
10041.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].text |
我找到的資料現在是零啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].start |
10043.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].end |
10045.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].text |
如果有錯誤你們可以來修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].start |
10046.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].end |
10048.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].text |
農藥公司佔了52.3% |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].start |
10050.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].end |
10052.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].text |
高達91項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].start |
10053.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].end |
10055.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].text |
請問我們的知義會是為了誰而開 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].start |
10056.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].end |
10058.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].text |
跟委員說明這個大概這個資料上有一些誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].start |
10058.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].end |
10060.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].text |
因為在這裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].start |
10060.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].end |
10062.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].text |
120項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].start |
10062.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].end |
10064.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].text |
都是國內農民的需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].start |
10064.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].end |
10066.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].text |
那麼是透過農業部審查之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].start |
10066.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].end |
10068.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].text |
所以沒有辦法直接看到是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].start |
10068.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].end |
10070.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].text |
哪一個農民是由農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].start |
10070.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].end |
10072.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].text |
會診之後提供給我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].start |
10072.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].end |
10074.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].text |
是在哪一個分類哪一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].start |
10074.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].end |
10076.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].text |
120項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].start |
10076.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].end |
10080.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].text |
裡面有30種農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].start |
10080.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].end |
10082.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].text |
120項的MIL |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].start |
10082.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].end |
10084.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].text |
你把那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].start |
10084.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].end |
10086.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].text |
你們的資料提供給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].start |
10086.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].end |
10088.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].text |
這個我要講的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].start |
10088.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].end |
10090.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].text |
今天國會電談 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].start |
10090.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].end |
10092.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].text |
我們是要幫人民請命 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].start |
10092.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].end |
10094.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].text |
我們是要幫人民發聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].start |
10094.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].end |
10096.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].text |
在這件事情上面我們絕對不允許 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].start |
10096.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].end |
10098.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].text |
是因為一個農藥公司的一個需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].start |
10098.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].end |
10100.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].text |
然後你來放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].start |
10100.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].end |
10102.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].text |
這樣的一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].start |
10102.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].end |
10104.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].text |
最後我要講為什麼連消基會都 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].start |
10104.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].end |
10106.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].text |
站出來講話了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].start |
10106.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].end |
10108.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].text |
你們雖然號稱說你現在都有預告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].start |
10108.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].end |
10110.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].text |
有公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].start |
10110.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].end |
10112.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].text |
坦白講沒有人在看啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].start |
10112.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].end |
10114.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].text |
所以消基會才會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].start |
10114.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].end |
10116.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].text |
應該這一些重大的放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].start |
10116.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].end |
10118.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].text |
你要公告周知 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].start |
10118.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].end |
10120.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].text |
你要開公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].start |
10120.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].end |
10122.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].text |
絕對不是幾個專家說了算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].start |
10122.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].end |
10124.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].text |
以這一次你們開放的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].start |
10124.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].end |
10126.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].text |
這個毒蘋果要到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].start |
10126.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].end |
10128.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].text |
這個3ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].start |
10129.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].end |
10131.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].text |
這個完全是社會沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].start |
10131.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].end |
10133.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].text |
接受的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].start |
10133.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].end |
10135.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].text |
所以你們應該要跟社會溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].start |
10135.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].end |
10137.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].text |
跟社會溝通你就是要廣告周知 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].start |
10137.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].end |
10139.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].text |
你要開公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].start |
10139.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].end |
10141.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].text |
不是少數幾個人說了算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].start |
10141.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].end |
10143.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].text |
另外一個未來像這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].start |
10143.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].end |
10145.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].text |
涉及重大的農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].start |
10145.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].end |
10147.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].text |
放寬的你們應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].start |
10147.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].end |
10149.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].text |
函送立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].start |
10149.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].end |
10151.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].text |
至少國會是人民的殿堂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].start |
10151.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].end |
10153.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].text |
你們應該要讓立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].start |
10153.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].end |
10155.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].text |
知道送立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].start |
10155.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].end |
10157.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].text |
被查否則這一次你們174項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].start |
10157.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].end |
10159.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].text |
就幾個專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].start |
10159.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].end |
10161.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].text |
然後開完會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].start |
10161.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].end |
10163.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].text |
然後你們說了就算了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].start |
10163.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].end |
10165.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].text |
我覺得這個對全民的水安風險太大了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].start |
10165.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].end |
10167.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].text |
這個部長你可以認同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].start |
10167.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].end |
10169.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].text |
未來要跟公眾溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].start |
10169.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].end |
10171.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].text |
要開公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].start |
10171.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].end |
10173.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].text |
而且未來其實你們還應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].start |
10173.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].end |
10175.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].text |
送立法院這麼重大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].start |
10175.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].end |
10177.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].text |
大幅放寬上百項的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].start |
10177.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].end |
10179.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].text |
跟委員說明我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].start |
10179.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].end |
10181.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].text |
為民眾的食安把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].start |
10181.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].end |
10183.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].text |
就是我們的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].start |
10183.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].end |
10185.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].text |
這個是責無旁貸也不容置疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].start |
10185.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].end |
10187.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].text |
那麼在各項的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].start |
10187.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].end |
10189.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].text |
標準的調整過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].start |
10189.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].end |
10191.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].text |
請做嚴謹的科學評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].start |
10191.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].end |
10193.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].text |
不過我們對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].start |
10193.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].end |
10195.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].text |
對外的溝通不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].start |
10195.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].end |
10197.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].text |
的部分我們來強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].start |
10197.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].end |
10199.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].text |
好最後我要問一題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].start |
10199.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].end |
10201.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].text |
是媒體請我問的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].start |
10201.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].end |
10203.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].text |
請問江志剛署長今天會是最後一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].start |
10203.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].end |
10205.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].text |
你到立法院來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].start |
10205.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].end |
10207.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].text |
剛剛媒體傳出來最新消息說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].start |
10207.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].end |
10209.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].text |
你這個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].start |
10209.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].end |
10211.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].text |
就要離開是真的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].start |
10211.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].end |
10213.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].text |
還是這是錯誤的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].start |
10215.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].end |
10217.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].text |
這個我完全沒有得到這樣的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].start |
10217.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].end |
10219.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].text |
署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].start |
10218.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].end |
10220.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].text |
所以部長沒有要署長離開嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].start |
10220.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].end |
10222.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].text |
沒有也沒有這一個人事案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].start |
10222.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].end |
10224.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].text |
我沒有得到這樣的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].start |
10224.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].end |
10226.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].text |
那署長這禮拜會離開嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].start |
10227.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].end |
10229.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].text |
本人有被告知嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].start |
10229.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].end |
10231.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].text |
報告委員還有很多事情我們應該要把好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].start |
10231.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].end |
10233.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].text |
所以你會繼續留下來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].start |
10233.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].end |
10235.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].text |
我們現在最重要的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].start |
10235.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].end |
10237.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].text |
就是確保所有民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].start |
10237.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].end |
10239.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].text |
擁有或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].start |
10239.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].end |
10241.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].text |
任何的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].start |
10240.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].end |
10242.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].text |
的確保這個是我們的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].start |
10242.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].end |
10244.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].start |
10245.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].end |
10247.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].text |
謝謝王雁明委員的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].start |
10247.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].end |
10249.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].text |
現在休息十分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].start |
10251.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].end |
10253.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].text |
好聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].start |
10270.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].end |
10272.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].start |
10272.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].end |
10274.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].start |
10293.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].end |
10295.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].start |
10851.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].end |
10853.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].text |
現在繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].start |
10852.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].end |
10854.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].text |
先宣告待會預定12點半 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].start |
10856.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].end |
10858.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].text |
休息用餐 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].start |
10857.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].end |
10859.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].text |
下午一點繼續詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].start |
10859.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].end |
10861.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].text |
現在請林淑芬委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].start |
10869.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].end |
10871.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].text |
好謝謝主席是不是請我們部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].start |
10871.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].end |
10873.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].text |
請石成良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].start |
10878.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].end |
10880.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].start |
10880.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].end |
10882.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].start |
10882.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].end |
10884.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].text |
從6月30到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].start |
10884.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].end |
10886.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].text |
已經三個多禮拜了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].start |
10886.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].end |
10888.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].text |
我們要問的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].start |
10888.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].end |
10890.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].start |
10890.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].end |
10892.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].text |
到底知不知道為什麼會發生這種事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].start |
10892.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].end |
10894.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].text |
人民生氣就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].start |
10894.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].end |
10896.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].text |
為什麼這個中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].start |
10896.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].end |
10898.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].text |
油紙事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].start |
10898.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].end |
10900.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].text |
會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].start |
10900.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].end |
10902.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].text |
到底發生的原因是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].start |
10903.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].end |
10905.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].text |
你們到現在就只有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].start |
10905.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].end |
10907.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].text |
這個大概是熱準率 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].start |
10907.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].end |
10909.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].text |
允收的標準放寬了十倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].start |
10909.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].end |
10911.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].text |
大概是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].start |
10911.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].end |
10913.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].text |
中聯油紙自由過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].start |
10913.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].end |
10915.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].text |
位於原定的管制點確實執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].start |
10915.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].end |
10917.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].text |
你們大概這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].start |
10917.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].end |
10919.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].text |
可是你現在還沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].start |
10920.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].end |
10922.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].text |
肯定的說就是這個原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].start |
10922.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].end |
10924.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].text |
當然跟委員說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].start |
10924.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].end |
10926.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].text |
這就是為什麼我們要請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].start |
10926.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].end |
10928.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].text |
專家幫我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].start |
10928.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].end |
10930.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].text |
做確認所以昨天就是專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].start |
10930.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].end |
10932.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].text |
去做這個因果關係的確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].start |
10932.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].end |
10934.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].text |
所以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].start |
10934.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].end |
10936.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].text |
從我們初步得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].start |
10936.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].end |
10938.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].text |
的調查結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].start |
10938.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].end |
10940.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].text |
都是應該是以他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].start |
10940.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].end |
10942.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].text |
原料上他在4月 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].start |
10942.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].end |
10944.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].text |
之後改變了這個原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].start |
10944.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].end |
10946.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].text |
那麼原料的品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].start |
10946.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].end |
10948.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].text |
是不好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].start |
10948.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].end |
10950.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].text |
當然也有多個缺點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].start |
10950.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].end |
10952.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].text |
到今天為止你們主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].start |
10952.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].end |
10954.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].text |
機關還沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].start |
10954.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].end |
10956.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].text |
百分之百明確的回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].start |
10956.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].end |
10958.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].text |
人民說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].start |
10958.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].end |
10960.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].text |
不知道污染 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].start |
10960.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].end |
10962.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].text |
到底在整個生產鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].start |
10962.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].end |
10964.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].text |
上的哪一個環節 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].start |
10964.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].end |
10966.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].text |
發生問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].start |
10966.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].end |
10968.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].text |
所以6月30到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].start |
10968.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].end |
10970.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].text |
三個多禮拜了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].start |
10970.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].end |
10972.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].text |
所以我們才會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].start |
10972.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].end |
10974.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].text |
還沒有辦法肯定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].start |
10974.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].end |
10976.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].text |
指出到底是什麼原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].start |
10976.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].end |
10978.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].text |
我們生氣的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].start |
10978.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].end |
10980.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].text |
這個是很嚴重的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].start |
10980.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].end |
10982.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].text |
這樣子是不可以的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].start |
10982.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].end |
10984.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].text |
這樣子人民當然有權利要生氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].start |
10986.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].end |
10988.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].text |
這個也跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].start |
10988.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].end |
10990.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].text |
當然在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].start |
10990.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].end |
10992.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].text |
調查過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].start |
10992.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].end |
10994.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].text |
因為這個廠商的作假 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].start |
10994.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].end |
10996.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].text |
增加了我們的複雜度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].start |
10996.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].end |
10998.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].text |
所以他的所有的樣本因為不可信 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].start |
10998.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].end |
11000.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].text |
所以我們從下游中下游全美 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].start |
11000.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].end |
11002.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].text |
去審限之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].start |
11002.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].end |
11004.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].text |
然後再回去對應 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].start |
11004.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].end |
11006.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].text |
其實早就應該進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].start |
11006.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].end |
11008.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].text |
但是我要再告訴你一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].start |
11008.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].end |
11010.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].text |
其實食藥署早就知道了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].start |
11010.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].end |
11012.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].text |
早就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].start |
11012.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].end |
11014.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].text |
而且這整個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].start |
11014.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].end |
11016.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].text |
如果從2021年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].start |
11016.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].end |
11018.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].text |
食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].start |
11018.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].end |
11020.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].text |
再由他們自己發表過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].start |
11020.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].end |
11022.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].text |
報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].start |
11022.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].end |
11024.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].text |
在他們的食品藥物 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].start |
11024.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].end |
11026.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].text |
研究年報裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].start |
11026.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].end |
11028.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].text |
整個油脂產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].start |
11028.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].end |
11030.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].text |
最核心的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].start |
11030.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].end |
11032.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].text |
早就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].start |
11032.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].end |
11034.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].text |
不是食藥署知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].start |
11034.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].end |
11036.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].text |
地方政府也都早就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].start |
11036.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].end |
11038.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].text |
他們做的研究是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].start |
11038.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].end |
11040.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].text |
你知道嗎?因為你還不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].start |
11040.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].end |
11042.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].text |
當時2021年你也不是部長啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].start |
11042.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].end |
11044.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].text |
所以我現在就跟你講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].start |
11044.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].end |
11046.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].text |
他們那篇研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].start |
11046.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].end |
11048.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].text |
題目叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].start |
11048.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].end |
11050.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].text |
食用油脂工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].start |
11050.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].end |
11054.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].text |
實施衛生管理及食品安全管制系統的概況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].start |
11055.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].end |
11057.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].text |
這個是中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].start |
11057.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].end |
11059.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].text |
跟地方政府一起去調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].start |
11059.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].end |
11061.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].text |
產出的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].start |
11062.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].end |
11066.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].text |
文章裡面第一段就提到重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].start |
11066.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].end |
11069.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].text |
食用油脂擁有多元品質指標項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].start |
11069.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].end |
11071.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].text |
無法緊究單一檢測品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].start |
11071.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].end |
11073.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].text |
直接鑑別產品的優劣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].start |
11073.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].end |
11075.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].text |
後續仍以現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].start |
11075.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].end |
11077.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].text |
稽查試證為主 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].start |
11077.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].end |
11079.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].text |
充分反映事前監控 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].start |
11079.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].end |
11082.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].text |
勝於最終檢驗的重要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].start |
11082.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].end |
11086.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].text |
所以這個中央地方聯合調查的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].start |
11086.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].end |
11088.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].text |
開宗明義就講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].start |
11088.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].end |
11091.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].text |
這個不是最終檢驗能夠處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].start |
11091.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].end |
11093.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].text |
他一定要事前監控 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].start |
11093.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].end |
11097.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].text |
而且仍需以現場稽查試證為主 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].start |
11097.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].end |
11099.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].text |
那我要講這個是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].start |
11101.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].end |
11105.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].text |
現在這套事前監控系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].start |
11105.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].end |
11108.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].text |
到底有沒有發揮作用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].start |
11108.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].end |
11112.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].text |
而你們的HACCP系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].start |
11113.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].end |
11114.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].text |
是吧第幾條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].start |
11114.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].end |
11117.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].text |
HACCP第八條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].start |
11118.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].end |
11121.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].text |
所以這些食品業者都要符合第八條的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].start |
11121.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].end |
11123.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].text |
要HACCP系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].start |
11123.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].end |
11126.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].text |
什麼是HACCP系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].start |
11127.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].end |
11130.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].text |
就是他的食品事前的管控 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].start |
11130.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].end |
11135.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].text |
他這個叫Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].start |
11136.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].end |
11140.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].text |
簡單來講就是危害重要管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].start |
11140.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].end |
11142.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].text |
危害分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].start |
11143.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].end |
11145.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].text |
他的重要管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].start |
11145.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].end |
11146.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].text |
他的危害分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].start |
11146.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].end |
11148.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].text |
食品安全的管制系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].start |
11148.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].end |
11151.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].text |
整個法律就仰賴這個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].start |
11151.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].end |
11154.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].text |
而這個制度到底有沒有在運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].start |
11155.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].end |
11157.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].text |
這個HACCP的管制精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].start |
11157.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].end |
11159.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].text |
兩個一個危害分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].start |
11159.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].end |
11161.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].text |
第二個重要管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].start |
11163.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].end |
11164.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].start |
11165.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].end |
11169.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].text |
他重點是他做到事前預防全程監控 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].start |
11169.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].end |
11171.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].text |
來降低風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].start |
11171.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].end |
11173.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].text |
我們就仰賴這個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].start |
11173.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].end |
11176.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].text |
今天有其他委員講HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].start |
11176.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].end |
11180.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].text |
大家也講到了管制的節點都沒有落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].start |
11180.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].end |
11183.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].text |
每一個節點都出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].start |
11183.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].end |
11186.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].text |
但我現在要跟你講早就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].start |
11186.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].end |
11188.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].text |
2021年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].start |
11188.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].end |
11191.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].text |
食藥署跟各地方衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].start |
11191.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].end |
11193.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].text |
去查了一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].start |
11193.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].end |
11198.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].text |
所有全台灣的大型油廠都去查了一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].start |
11198.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].end |
11201.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].text |
有沒有符合HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].start |
11201.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].end |
11203.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].text |
查過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].start |
11204.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].end |
11205.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].text |
而且呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].start |
11205.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].end |
11207.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].text |
早就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].start |
11207.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].end |
11209.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].text |
這一些大型的油廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].start |
11209.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].end |
11211.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].text |
包括中聯油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].start |
11211.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].end |
11215.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].text |
他整個生產的管理弱點問題出在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].start |
11215.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].end |
11217.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].text |
早就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].start |
11218.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].end |
11220.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].text |
你看他的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].start |
11220.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].end |
11222.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].text |
所以他那個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].start |
11222.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].end |
11224.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].text |
他不是等到超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].start |
11224.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].end |
11226.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].text |
然後再下架再回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].start |
11226.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].end |
11229.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].text |
我們現在才要來看這一份報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].start |
11230.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].end |
11232.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].text |
他有沒有發揮作用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].start |
11233.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].end |
11235.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].text |
他本篇筆跟這個PACE |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].start |
11235.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].end |
11237.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].text |
有沒有被列為明確危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].start |
11239.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].end |
11240.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].start |
11240.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].end |
11242.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].text |
還是列為環境污染物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].start |
11244.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].end |
11245.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].start |
11245.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].end |
11247.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].text |
原料驗收製程操作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].start |
11247.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].end |
11249.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].text |
油槽儲存混槽出貨放行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].start |
11249.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].end |
11251.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].text |
有沒有設計出在出貨前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].start |
11251.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].end |
11254.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].text |
要攔下風險的監測程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].start |
11254.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].end |
11255.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].text |
第三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].start |
11255.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].end |
11257.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].text |
驗到異常時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].start |
11257.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].end |
11259.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].text |
矯正措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].start |
11259.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].end |
11261.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].text |
業者到底是停用封存通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].start |
11261.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].end |
11263.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].text |
還是現在看到的中聯油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].start |
11263.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].end |
11265.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].text |
就是復驗開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].start |
11265.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].end |
11267.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].text |
隱秘隱瞞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].start |
11268.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].end |
11269.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].text |
蛤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].start |
11270.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].end |
11272.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].text |
那請問你們食藥署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].start |
11273.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].end |
11275.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].text |
當時這份報告出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].start |
11277 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].end |
11278 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].start |
11278.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].end |
11283.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].text |
這個HACCP的管制這些流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].start |
11283.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].end |
11286.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].text |
到底有沒有符合和落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].start |
11286.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].end |
11287.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].text |
署長有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].start |
11289.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].end |
11291.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].text |
這套制度在現場有沒有落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].start |
11291.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].end |
11294.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].text |
如果以我們這一次調查這個中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].start |
11294.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].end |
11296.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].text |
他有好幾個管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].start |
11296.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].end |
11299.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].text |
沒有符合這個管制要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].start |
11299.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].end |
11301.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].text |
不是中聯而已啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].start |
11301.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].end |
11302.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].text |
我現在告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].start |
11302.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].end |
11305.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].text |
使用油脂業的HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].start |
11305.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].end |
11307.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].text |
都是做表面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].start |
11307.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].end |
11308.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].text |
做樣子的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].start |
11308.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].end |
11311.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].text |
完全沒有發揮預警的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].start |
11311.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].end |
11313.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].text |
這個不是我說了算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].start |
11313.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].end |
11314.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].text |
這個是你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].start |
11314.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].end |
11316.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].text |
食藥署跟地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].start |
11316.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].end |
11319.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].text |
去查查你的結果報告在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].start |
11319.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].end |
11321.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].text |
來早就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].start |
11322.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].end |
11326.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].text |
107年到109年之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].start |
11326.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].end |
11328.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].text |
地方政府加中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].start |
11328.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].end |
11330.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].text |
共去63家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].start |
11330.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].end |
11333.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].text |
使用油脂的工廠的查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].start |
11333.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].end |
11334.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].text |
這份報告是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].start |
11334.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].end |
11338.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].text |
根據63家工廠的查核的結果來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].start |
11338.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].end |
11339.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].start |
11340.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].end |
11342.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].text |
裡面查核報告說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].start |
11342.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].end |
11346.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].text |
在於登錄資訊追溯追蹤系統的符合率 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].start |
11346.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].end |
11347.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].text |
大概八成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].start |
11347.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].end |
11350.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].text |
這63家八成以上都符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].start |
11350.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].end |
11354.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].text |
但是食品安全的管制系統準則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].start |
11354.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].end |
11356.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].text |
也就是HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].start |
11356.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].end |
11359.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].text |
出查符合率低於六成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].start |
11359.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].end |
11363.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].text |
主要缺失就是沒有落實文件或記錄管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].start |
11364.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].end |
11365.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].text |
署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].start |
11365.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].end |
11369.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].text |
當時這份研究報告提到HACCP有哪些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].start |
11370.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].end |
11374.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].text |
沒有落實文件管理也沒有落實記錄管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].start |
11374.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].end |
11376.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].text |
整個不合格率 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].start |
11376.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].end |
11379.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].text |
大概超過大概四成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].start |
11380.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].end |
11381.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].text |
署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].start |
11381.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].end |
11383.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].text |
有哪些缺失項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].start |
11385.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].end |
11386.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].text |
不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].start |
11387.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].end |
11389.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].text |
署長你是一定不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].start |
11389.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].end |
11391.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].text |
食藥署應該要知道吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].start |
11391.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].end |
11392.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].text |
你們自己報告署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].start |
11394.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].end |
11395.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].text |
哈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].start |
11395.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].end |
11399.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].text |
HACCP在2021年的報告就講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].start |
11399.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].end |
11401.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].text |
對上面的報告有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].start |
11401.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].end |
11404.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].text |
這個部分我們在二級的驗證裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].start |
11404.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].end |
11406.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].text |
我們也的確在這次的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].start |
11406.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].end |
11408.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].text |
我們認為它的製程的確效 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].start |
11408.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].end |
11411.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].text |
跟HACCP每一個節點我們會再加強的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].start |
11412.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].end |
11415.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].text |
我在講2021年的報告講什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].start |
11415.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].end |
11417.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].text |
你看清楚看仔細一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].start |
11419.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].end |
11420.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].text |
哈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].start |
11420.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].end |
11421.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].text |
它有什麼缺失項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].start |
11422.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].end |
11425.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].text |
然後你們到現在都還找不到發生的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].start |
11425.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].end |
11428.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].text |
再去把這份報告拿出來看一下嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].start |
11428.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].end |
11432.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].text |
它的缺失項目集中在食品安全管制小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].start |
11432.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].end |
11433.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].text |
產品加工流程圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].start |
11433.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].end |
11435.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].text |
危害分析和重要管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].start |
11435.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].end |
11438.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].text |
建立管制界限和監測程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].start |
11438.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].end |
11441.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].text |
制定矯正措施和確認系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].start |
11441.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].end |
11443.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].text |
文件還有記錄管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].start |
11443.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].end |
11445.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].text |
然後這裡面發生什麼事情了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].start |
11445.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].end |
11448.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].text |
在食品安全管制小組裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].start |
11448.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].end |
11451.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].text |
2021年就是107到109年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].start |
11451.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].end |
11454.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].text |
查這63家的油廠公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].start |
11454.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].end |
11455.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].text |
油廠啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].start |
11455.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].end |
11457.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].text |
自由工廠啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].start |
11457.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].end |
11463.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].text |
他們無法提出具定期召開計畫相關會議的記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].start |
11463.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].end |
11466.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].text |
他們工程裡面沒有照法律規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].start |
11466.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].end |
11467.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].text |
沒有照法規規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].start |
11467.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].end |
11469.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].text |
沒有開會沒有檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].start |
11469.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].end |
11471.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].text |
沒有擬定計畫的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].start |
11471.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].end |
11472.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].start |
11472.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].end |
11473.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].text |
在加工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].start |
11473.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].end |
11475.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].text |
食品加工的流程圖上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].start |
11475.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].end |
11477.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].text |
各從各個原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].start |
11478.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].end |
11481.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].text |
這個原物料的驗收直到運送所有步驟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].start |
11481.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].end |
11487.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].text |
從來沒有實際加工流程或危害分析表的相符 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].start |
11487.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].end |
11492.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].text |
他們所有的加工流程跟危害分析表 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].start |
11492.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].end |
11495.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].text |
圖表資料都不相符啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].start |
11496.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].end |
11500.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].text |
為名列辦成品或相關副產品的相關步驟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].start |
11500.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].end |
11503.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].text |
然後這個研究分析特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].start |
11503.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].end |
11505.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].text |
特別是使用油脂工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].start |
11505.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].end |
11509.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].text |
異於忽略靜置沉澱或暫存等過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].start |
11509.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].end |
11512.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].text |
各廠因與製作流程圖時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].start |
11512.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].end |
11514.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].text |
清零作業現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].start |
11514.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].end |
11516.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].text |
逐一確認加工步驟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].start |
11516.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].end |
11517.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].text |
通通沒有在管的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].start |
11517.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].end |
11518.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].start |
11520.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].end |
11521.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].text |
第三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].start |
11521.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].end |
11525.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].text |
在危害分析和重要管制點上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].start |
11525.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].end |
11529.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].text |
沒有在所有步驟上進行危害分析啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].start |
11531.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].end |
11533.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].text |
所有步驟都要進行危害分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].start |
11533.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].end |
11534.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].text |
他們沒有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].start |
11534.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].end |
11538.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].text |
然後缺乏危害發生頻率和嚴重性的佐證 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].start |
11539.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].end |
11542.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].text |
所以計畫內容常常沒有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].start |
11542.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].end |
11545.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].text |
為強烈危害項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].start |
11545.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].end |
11547.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].text |
緊禮病原性的微生物 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].start |
11547.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].end |
11550.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].text |
環境污染物質概括分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].start |
11551.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].end |
11554.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].text |
都沒有這個提出具 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].start |
11555.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].end |
11559.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].text |
分析依據辨別發生機率防治措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].start |
11559.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].end |
11564.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].text |
沒有提供辦定重要管制點的合理佐證 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].start |
11564.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].end |
11566.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].text |
通通都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].start |
11566.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].end |
11568.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].text |
只有微生物啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].start |
11568.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].end |
11570.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].text |
環境污染物這樣概括性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].start |
11571.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].end |
11574.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].text |
這個是一個HACCP的工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].start |
11576.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].end |
11578.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].text |
可以這樣子做嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].start |
11579.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].end |
11581.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].text |
所以你們的報告還建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].start |
11581.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].end |
11583.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].text |
要叫他們這些業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].start |
11583.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].end |
11585.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].text |
參考微生主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].start |
11585.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].end |
11588.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].text |
在官網所提供的計畫範本外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].start |
11588.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].end |
11592.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].text |
你們還建議他們要試實際作業情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].start |
11592.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].end |
11594.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].text |
收集科學知識食品事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].start |
11594.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].end |
11597.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].text |
或廠內製程記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].start |
11597.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].end |
11599.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].text |
逐步修正計畫內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].start |
11599.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].end |
11601.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].text |
換言之啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].start |
11601.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].end |
11602.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].text |
實用工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].start |
11602.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].end |
11604.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].text |
實用油紙的工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].start |
11604.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].end |
11606.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].text |
通常只是給主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].start |
11607.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].end |
11609.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].text |
這個交差 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].start |
11609.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].end |
11611.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].text |
然後書面交差了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].start |
11611.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].end |
11613.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].text |
勸你們在這個報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].start |
11613.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].end |
11615.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].text |
也沒有詳列各家工廠的實際 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].start |
11615.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].end |
11617.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].text |
查驗起來什麼狀況啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].start |
11618.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].end |
11619.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].text |
但是你們就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].start |
11619.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].end |
11621.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].text |
你們都不合格不合格啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].start |
11621.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].end |
11622.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].text |
然後接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].start |
11622.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].end |
11625.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].text |
監力管制界線跟監測程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].start |
11625.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].end |
11627.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].text |
這63家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].start |
11627.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].end |
11629.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].text |
最核心的那幾家油廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].start |
11630.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].end |
11632.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].text |
沒有各廠常見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].start |
11632.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].end |
11635.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].text |
未與現場實際作業相符 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].start |
11636.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].end |
11639.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].text |
未與現場實際作業相符 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].start |
11639.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].end |
11642.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].text |
他們的計畫跟作業現場都不相符啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].start |
11642.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].end |
11646.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].text |
缺乏驗效或佐證資料啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].start |
11647.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].end |
11649.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].text |
監察管制界線 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].start |
11649.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].end |
11652.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].text |
英語監測參數直接相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].start |
11652.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].end |
11653.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].start |
11654.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].end |
11655.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].text |
你們還建議他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].start |
11655.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].end |
11657.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].text |
油品過濾的步驟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].start |
11657.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].end |
11659.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].text |
要怎麼樣做怎麼樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].start |
11659.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].end |
11660.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].text |
所以你就發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].start |
11660.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].end |
11661.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].text |
你們當時就發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].start |
11661.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].end |
11664.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].text |
他們經常性的假數據作假 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].start |
11664.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].end |
11667.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].text |
然後書面的跟實際生產的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].start |
11667.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].end |
11669.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].text |
完全不符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].start |
11670.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].end |
11672.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].text |
2021年你們報告就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].start |
11672.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].end |
11676.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].text |
2018年到2020年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].start |
11676.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].end |
11679.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].text |
你們地方政府也都知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].start |
11679.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].end |
11681.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].text |
中央地方通通都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].start |
11681.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].end |
11684.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].text |
這些大型的油紙工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].start |
11685.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].end |
11686.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].text |
問題很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].start |
11686.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].end |
11688.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].text |
造假很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].start |
11688.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].end |
11690.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].text |
不符合規定很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].start |
11690.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].end |
11691.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].text |
HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].start |
11692.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].end |
11694.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].text |
倫理形式啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].start |
11694.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].end |
11696.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].text |
接下來大家看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].start |
11697.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].end |
11700.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].text |
制定矯正措施和確認系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].start |
11700.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].end |
11702.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].text |
當監測的結果顯示 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].start |
11702.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].end |
11704.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].text |
偏離管制界線或異常時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].start |
11704.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].end |
11706.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].text |
應該立即採取矯正措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].start |
11706.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].end |
11708.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].text |
但是你看你們查掌 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].start |
11708.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].end |
11710.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].text |
沒有落實確認程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].start |
11710.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].end |
11713.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].text |
為完整建立矯正措施或確認程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].start |
11714.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].end |
11715.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].text |
所以你呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].start |
11715.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].end |
11716.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].start |
11716.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].end |
11718.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].text |
嚴定矯正內容的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].start |
11718.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].end |
11720.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].text |
容易遺漏異常產品的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].start |
11721.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].end |
11724.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].text |
當食品因變異至違反規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].start |
11724.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].end |
11725.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].text |
有危害健康治癒者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].start |
11725.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].end |
11728.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].text |
應有適當回收處理銷毀的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].start |
11728.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].end |
11729.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].text |
作業流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].start |
11729.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].end |
11730.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].text |
結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].start |
11730.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].end |
11731.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].text |
都沒有落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].start |
11731.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].end |
11732.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].start |
11733.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].end |
11735.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].text |
今天流出去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].start |
11735.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].end |
11736.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].text |
就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].start |
11736.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].end |
11737.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].text |
你們早就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].start |
11737.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].end |
11738.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].text |
再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].start |
11738.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].end |
11740.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].text |
在文件及記錄管制上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].start |
11740.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].end |
11743.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].text |
你們的HACCP系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].start |
11743.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].end |
11744.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].text |
很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].start |
11744.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].end |
11746.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].text |
包括方法標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].start |
11746.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].end |
11747.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].text |
各種檢驗結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].start |
11747.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].end |
11748.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].text |
都要做成書面記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].start |
11748.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].end |
11750.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].text |
連同相關文件一樣會成為檔案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].start |
11750.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].end |
11752.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].text |
經查各廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].start |
11752.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].end |
11754.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].text |
提具上開資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].start |
11754.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].end |
11758.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].text |
都有未確實簽署及註記的日期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].start |
11758.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].end |
11762.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].text |
無法提具相關資料或記錄內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].start |
11763.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].end |
11765.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].text |
2021年的報告都早知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].start |
11765.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].end |
11768.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].text |
他們這些油紙工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].start |
11769.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].end |
11772.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].text |
都資料提供不全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].start |
11772.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].end |
11775.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].text |
沒有確實簽署沒有註記日期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].start |
11777.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].end |
11778.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].text |
嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].start |
11778.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].end |
11779.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].text |
你們早就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].start |
11780.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].end |
11783.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].text |
所以你們知道他們文件記錄不落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].start |
11783.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].end |
11787.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].text |
HACCP出查符合率低於六成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].start |
11787.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].end |
11788.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].text |
合格率 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].start |
11788.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].end |
11790.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].text |
只有四成多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].start |
11792.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].end |
11795.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].text |
那有沒有針對這個報告之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].start |
11795.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].end |
11799.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].text |
列為後續追蹤改善的這個管制啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].start |
11799.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].end |
11801.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].text |
有沒有不預警的抽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].start |
11801.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].end |
11804.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].text |
有沒有回頭去查當年的缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].start |
11804.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].end |
11806.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].text |
有沒有真的持續改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].start |
11806.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].end |
11809.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].text |
有沒有把HACCP文件記錄不落實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].start |
11809.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].end |
11813.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].text |
列為使用油紙業的高風險指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].start |
11813.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].end |
11814.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].start |
11814.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].end |
11815.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].text |
好跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].start |
11815.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].end |
11817.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].text |
謝謝委員這麼詳細的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].start |
11817.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].end |
11820.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].text |
把我們這個報告檢視一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].start |
11820.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].end |
11822.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].text |
那第一個這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].start |
11822.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].end |
11824.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].text |
出查的缺失率 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].start |
11824.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].end |
11828.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].text |
所以這每一案其實後面都有追蹤改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].start |
11828.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].end |
11830.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].text |
這是第一次這個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].start |
11830.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].end |
11831.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].text |
你們查了三年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].start |
11831.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].end |
11832.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].text |
進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].start |
11832.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].end |
11833.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].text |
你們查了三年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].start |
11833.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].end |
11835.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].text |
對這個就是統計起來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].start |
11835.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].end |
11837.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].text |
這是從107到109 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].start |
11837.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].end |
11839.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].text |
這個是比較早期的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].start |
11839.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].end |
11842.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].text |
所以當時候查完之後都還要去追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].start |
11842.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].end |
11843.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].text |
他有沒有這樣改 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].start |
11843.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].end |
11845.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].text |
所以他都有改善的記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].start |
11845.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].end |
11847.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].text |
同時把這個記錄資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].start |
11847.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].end |
11849.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].text |
還會交給地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].start |
11849.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].end |
11851.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].text |
那麼再做後續的年度的追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].start |
11851.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].end |
11853.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].text |
所以這個都有照這樣做啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].start |
11853.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].end |
11855.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].text |
所以這個是出查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].start |
11855.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].end |
11857.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].text |
最好是有照這樣子做啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].start |
11857.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].end |
11860.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].text |
從中年油紙來看是沒有這樣子做啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].start |
11861.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].end |
11864.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].text |
從中年油紙這一次的事情來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].start |
11864.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].end |
11868.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].text |
從2021年報告到現在一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].start |
11868.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].end |
11870.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].text |
一樣沒有落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].start |
11870.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].end |
11871.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].text |
一樣沒有改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].start |
11871.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].end |
11874.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].text |
一樣只有對政府取以為宜啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].start |
11874.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].end |
11876.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].text |
哪裡有改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].start |
11876.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].end |
11877.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].text |
有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].start |
11877.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].end |
11879.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].text |
從中年油紙這個個案來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].start |
11879.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].end |
11880.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].text |
有改善嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].start |
11881.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].end |
11883.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].text |
冰凍三尺 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].start |
11883.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].end |
11885.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].text |
非一日之痕 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].start |
11885.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].end |
11888.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].text |
油紙工廠這一些油紙業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].start |
11888.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].end |
11890.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].text |
長期就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].start |
11891.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].end |
11892.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].text |
所以我再問你們啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].start |
11892.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].end |
11893.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].text |
署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].start |
11894.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].end |
11896.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].text |
這個你說他有落實了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].start |
11896.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].end |
11899.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].text |
你說他有改善了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].start |
11899.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].end |
11902.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].text |
那為什麼還會發生中年這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].start |
11904.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].end |
11906.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].text |
為什麼還會發生這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].start |
11906.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].end |
11910.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].text |
當然這個還有後續追蹤的頻率啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].start |
11910.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].end |
11912.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].text |
這個查完之後當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].start |
11912.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].end |
11915.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].text |
他會對這一次的查核結果做改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].start |
11915.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].end |
11917.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].text |
但是後面的年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].start |
11917.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].end |
11919.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].text |
還是需要繼續追蹤啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].start |
11919.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].end |
11921.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].text |
所以那個追蹤的程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].start |
11921.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].end |
11922.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].text |
蛤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].start |
11922.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].end |
11926.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].text |
所以業者自主管理這種事情就不行嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].start |
11927.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].end |
11930.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].text |
你這樣講之後後續要繼續追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].start |
11930.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].end |
11933.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].text |
他改善給政府看完以後就不遵守了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].start |
11933.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].end |
11937.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].text |
改善是為了取以為宜給政府看的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].start |
11938.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].end |
11940.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].text |
看完以後我就 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].start |
11940.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].end |
11941.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].text |
固態附盟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].start |
11941.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].end |
11943.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].text |
維持原狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].start |
11943.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].end |
11945.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].text |
繼續擺爛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].start |
11946.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].end |
11948.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].text |
那我們來看中聯郵紙啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].start |
11948.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].end |
11949.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].text |
我不是要具體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].start |
11949.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].end |
11952.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].text |
只是談HACCP的這個報告而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].start |
11952.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].end |
11955.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].text |
我們來對應中聯郵紙來看啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].start |
11955.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].end |
11957.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].text |
你看中聯郵紙7月6號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].start |
11957.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].end |
11959.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].text |
自己公佈在網站上的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].start |
11960.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].end |
11962.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].text |
拜拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].start |
11962.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].end |
11964.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].text |
他現在呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].start |
11963.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].end |
11965.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].text |
2021 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].start |
11965.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].end |
11966.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].text |
他現在2021 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].start |
11966.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].end |
11967.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].text |
2022 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].start |
11967.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].end |
11968.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].text |
2023 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].start |
11968.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].end |
11969.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].text |
以及今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].start |
11969.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].end |
11971.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].text |
都出現了這個PACE |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].start |
11971.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].end |
11973.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].text |
就是多環方向拼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].start |
11973.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].end |
11976.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].text |
快要超過監測指標值10ppb的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].start |
11976.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].end |
11978.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].text |
這一些數據啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].start |
11978.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].end |
11980.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].text |
就是說美國豆都是零減出嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].start |
11980.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].end |
11982.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].text |
然後巴西豆都有減出嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].start |
11983.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].end |
11984.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].start |
11984.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].end |
11985.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].text |
那我呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].start |
11986.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].end |
11989.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].text |
111年4月25的這個4PACE |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].start |
11989.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].end |
11991.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].text |
已經達到8.7ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].start |
11992.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].end |
11994.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].text |
今年的4月22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].start |
11994.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].end |
11996.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].text |
那個BAP也達到1.6ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].start |
11996.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].end |
11998.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].text |
都是零介質啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].start |
11998.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].end |
12000.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].text |
離門檻也不很遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].start |
12000.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].end |
12002.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].start |
12002.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].end |
12003.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].text |
他其實都看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].start |
12003.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].end |
12005.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].text |
他自己偷偷的放上去的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].start |
12006.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].end |
12008.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].text |
哈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].start |
12007.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].end |
12009.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].text |
那我們就看到這種狀況的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].start |
12009.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].end |
12011.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].text |
你如果真的有HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].start |
12011.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].end |
12013.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].text |
這個制度有運作啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].start |
12014.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].end |
12016.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].text |
如果HACCP制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].start |
12016.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].end |
12018.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].text |
真的有運作的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].start |
12018.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].end |
12020.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].text |
那我們是不是要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].start |
12020.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].end |
12021.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].text |
危害分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].start |
12021.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].end |
12023.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].text |
要有重要管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].start |
12023.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].end |
12025.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].text |
然後就要有應驗的對策 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].start |
12027.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].end |
12029.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].text |
然後他們有嗎?他們有做嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].start |
12031.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].end |
12033.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].text |
所以原本是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].start |
12033.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].end |
12035.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].text |
把歷年的BAP啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].start |
12035.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].end |
12036.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].text |
4PACE啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].start |
12036.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].end |
12039.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].text |
偏高的數值納入HACCP的危害分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].start |
12039.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].end |
12041.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].text |
要設定原料驗收 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].start |
12041.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].end |
12042.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].text |
出油檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].start |
12042.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].end |
12043.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].text |
精煉脫臭 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].start |
12043.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].end |
12044.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].text |
油槽管線 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].start |
12044.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].end |
12046.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].text |
混批流樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].start |
12046.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].end |
12048.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].text |
還有成品犯行等重要管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].start |
12048.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].end |
12050.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].text |
那一旦數值啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].start |
12050.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].end |
12051.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].text |
反覆偏高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].start |
12051.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].end |
12053.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].text |
就要啟動原因分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].start |
12053.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].end |
12054.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].text |
加密檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].start |
12054.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].end |
12056.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].text |
暫停放顯號異常矯正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].start |
12056.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].end |
12058.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].text |
那你主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].start |
12058.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].end |
12060.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].text |
他地方政府去稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].start |
12060.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].end |
12062.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].text |
也不是只有看檢驗報告是否合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].start |
12062.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].end |
12065.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].text |
還要看歷年趨勢產地批次差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].start |
12065.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].end |
12068.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].text |
各重要管制點的監測數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].start |
12068.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].end |
12070.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].text |
原料到成品各階段的變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].start |
12070.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].end |
12072.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].text |
檢驗結果出來前是否已經出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].start |
12072.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].end |
12076.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].text |
以及下游檢驗跟上游流樣是不是一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].start |
12076.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].end |
12078.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].text |
結果你們的HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].start |
12078.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].end |
12080.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].text |
為什麼沒有辦法把關到這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].start |
12080.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].end |
12081.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].start |
12083.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].end |
12085.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].text |
這一次我們會來強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].start |
12085.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].end |
12087.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].text |
改善這個HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].start |
12087.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].end |
12089.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].text |
這一次我們都吃下去吞下去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].start |
12089.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].end |
12090.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].text |
你才說要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].start |
12090.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].end |
12093.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].text |
這一次我們都吃下去吞下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].start |
12093.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].end |
12095.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].text |
你才說你要強化才要改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].start |
12095.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].end |
12098.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].text |
我現在是告訴你2021年就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].start |
12098.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].end |
12102.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].text |
結果我們看到的HACCP制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].start |
12102.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].end |
12105.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].text |
變成只是文件查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].start |
12105.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].end |
12106.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].text |
官樣文章 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].start |
12106.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].end |
12111.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].text |
而不是真正的風險把關的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].start |
12112.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].end |
12119.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].text |
所以我們的HACCP變成做假的HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].start |
12120.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].end |
12122.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].text |
所以我們來對應第一個缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].start |
12122.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].end |
12124.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].text |
危害分析不具體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].start |
12128.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].end |
12130.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].text |
這個BAP |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].start |
12130.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].end |
12132.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].text |
本篇筆或者是PAHS |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].start |
12132.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].end |
12134.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].text |
你是把它放 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].start |
12134.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].end |
12136.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].text |
它是都沒有分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].start |
12136.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].end |
12138.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].text |
它把它放到環境污染物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].start |
12139.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].end |
12141.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].text |
還是微生物 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].start |
12141.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].end |
12143.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].text |
他們這次放到哪裡去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].start |
12144.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].end |
12146.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].text |
你們不是有去查場了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].start |
12146.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].end |
12148.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].text |
沒有特別裂項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].start |
12148.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].end |
12150.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].text |
它沒有特別裂項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].start |
12150.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].end |
12152.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].text |
它應該要裂成化學危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].start |
12154.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].end |
12156.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].text |
坦坦坦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].start |
12156.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].end |
12161.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].text |
每一個環節原料儲存壓榨精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].start |
12162.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].end |
12164.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].text |
油潮暫存混潮錯誤放行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].start |
12164.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].end |
12166.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].text |
都有可能發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].start |
12166.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].end |
12168.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].text |
它很可能發生污染 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].start |
12168.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].end |
12170.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].text |
或者是它就 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].start |
12170.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].end |
12172.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].text |
檢驗都必須要落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].start |
12172.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].end |
12174.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].text |
才能夠圍堵 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].start |
12174.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].end |
12176.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].text |
那一個油品的流出風險的擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].start |
12176.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].end |
12180.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].text |
所以它必須很嚴重的去管制它 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].start |
12180.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].end |
12182.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].text |
它絕對是一個管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].start |
12182.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].end |
12184.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].text |
而且都有這些數據出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].start |
12184.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].end |
12186.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].text |
結果它沒有把BAP |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].start |
12186.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].end |
12188.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].text |
沒有把PAHS |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].start |
12188.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].end |
12192.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].text |
列為危害重要的管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].start |
12192.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].end |
12196.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].text |
它連列為風險物質可能都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].start |
12196.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].end |
12200.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].text |
那這個HACCP有在運作嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].start |
12202.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].end |
12204.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].text |
我是要從中聯有史萊坦搞不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].start |
12204.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].end |
12206.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].text |
整個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].start |
12206.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].end |
12208.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].text |
所有食品業者的HACCP制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].start |
12208.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].end |
12210.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].text |
都是做假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].start |
12210.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].end |
12212.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].text |
都是做樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].start |
12214.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].end |
12218.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].text |
我們台灣中華民國的HACCP制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].start |
12219.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].end |
12221.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].text |
是不是都是瓦解了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].start |
12221.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].end |
12223.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].text |
早就沒用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].start |
12224.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].end |
12226.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].text |
第二個缺失我們再看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].start |
12226.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].end |
12230.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].text |
管制界線跟監測程序沒有對上現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].start |
12230.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].end |
12232.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].text |
你的作業程序不相符 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].start |
12232.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].end |
12234.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].text |
缺乏驗收或佐證資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].start |
12234.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].end |
12242.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].text |
然後中聯有史萊坦對本篇筆BAPHS的監測程序是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].start |
12242.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].end |
12246.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].text |
檢測出來前能不能出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].start |
12246.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].end |
12248.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].text |
那它自主檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].start |
12248.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].end |
12250.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].text |
它的管制點設在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].start |
12251.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].end |
12255.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].text |
這些檢驗能不能在出貨以前發揮管制作用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].start |
12255.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].end |
12257.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].text |
還是變成產品的出貨了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].start |
12257.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].end |
12259.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].text |
報告出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].start |
12259.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].end |
12261.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].text |
還繼續做還不管報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].start |
12261.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].end |
12263.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].text |
還繼續把毒油流出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].start |
12264.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].end |
12268.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].text |
如果檢驗的結果不能決定放行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].start |
12268.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].end |
12270.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].text |
檢驗就不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].start |
12270.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].end |
12275.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].text |
檢驗的結果不能決定管制不放行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].start |
12275.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].end |
12278.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].text |
檢驗就不是一個管制點了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].start |
12279.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].end |
12281.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].text |
檢驗成為一個管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].start |
12281.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].end |
12283.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].text |
是檢驗出來有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].start |
12283.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].end |
12285.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].text |
絕對不能繼續生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].start |
12285.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].end |
12287.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].text |
不能出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].start |
12288.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].end |
12290.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].text |
它才是一個管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].start |
12290.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].end |
12292.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].text |
結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].start |
12292 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].end |
12294 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].text |
它只是一個事後資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].start |
12294 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].end |
12296 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].text |
它繼續生產繼續出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].start |
12296 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].end |
12299 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].text |
然後報告出來只是一個事後的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].start |
12300.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].end |
12305.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].text |
這一種HACCP制度叫做HACCP嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].start |
12305.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].end |
12307.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].text |
部長你自己說一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].start |
12307.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].end |
12310.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].text |
台灣這一種HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].start |
12310.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].end |
12313.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].text |
還叫做HACCP嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].start |
12314.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].end |
12316.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].start |
12316.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].end |
12318.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].text |
我們這一次已經在7月份就要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].start |
12318.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].end |
12320.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].text |
這些油品呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].start |
12320.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].end |
12322.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].text |
上游的最上游的這一層 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].start |
12322.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].end |
12324.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].text |
要足批檢驗之後才能夠出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].start |
12324.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].end |
12326.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].text |
這是第一個改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].start |
12326.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].end |
12328.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].text |
第二個HACCP是一個預警系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].start |
12328.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].end |
12330.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].text |
就您剛剛提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].start |
12330.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].end |
12332.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].text |
它完全沒有預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].start |
12332.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].end |
12334.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].text |
它不見得要等到你的下游 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].start |
12334.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].end |
12336.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].text |
變速高標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].start |
12336.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].end |
12338.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].text |
要在前端呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].start |
12338.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].end |
12340.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].text |
它是一個預警系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].start |
12340.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].end |
12342.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].text |
去控制它的整個製程中的品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].start |
12342.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].end |
12344.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].text |
你不要講這個理論啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].start |
12344.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].end |
12348.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].text |
你講的理論我們都知道啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].start |
12348.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].end |
12352.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].text |
現在所有食品廠的HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].start |
12352.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].end |
12354.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].text |
如果就像中聯油紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].start |
12354.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].end |
12356.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].text |
就像2021年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].start |
12356.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].end |
12358.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].text |
你們去查遍所有的油廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].start |
12358.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].end |
12360.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].text |
所寫的報告一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].start |
12361.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].end |
12363.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].text |
那我可以在這裡宣布 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].start |
12363.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].end |
12365.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].text |
國家的HACCP制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].start |
12365.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].end |
12367.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].text |
已經不存在了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].start |
12367.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].end |
12369.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].text |
假的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].start |
12369.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].end |
12371.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].text |
好 再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].start |
12371.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].end |
12373.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].text |
你管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].start |
12373.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].end |
12375.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].text |
然後要設監測 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].start |
12375.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].end |
12377.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].text |
要管制界線 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].start |
12377.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].end |
12379.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].text |
然後對應出來是要矯正措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].start |
12379.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].end |
12381.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].text |
矯正措施大家都看到啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].start |
12381.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].end |
12383.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].text |
出問題了啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].start |
12383.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].end |
12385.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].text |
一定要停止生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].start |
12385.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].end |
12387.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].text |
要回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].start |
12387.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].end |
12389.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].text |
要下架 要銷毀 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].start |
12389.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].end |
12391.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].text |
所以怎麼看呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].start |
12391.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].end |
12393.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].text |
就是沒有嘛 什麼都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].start |
12393.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].end |
12395.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].text |
它藉著復驗還繼續生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].start |
12392.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].end |
12394.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].text |
所以第一個反應就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].start |
12394.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].end |
12396.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].text |
再驗一次 再開會 再等結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].start |
12396.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].end |
12398.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].text |
而那不是矯正措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].start |
12398.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].end |
12400.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].text |
是繼續毒害人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].start |
12400.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].end |
12402.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].text |
你這個HACCP也沒用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].start |
12402.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].end |
12404.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].text |
你這個HACCP也沒用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].start |
12404.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].end |
12406.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].text |
第四個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].start |
12406.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].end |
12408.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].text |
文件記錄不可信啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].start |
12408.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].end |
12410.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].text |
你這報告就文件記錄都不可信 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].start |
12410.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].end |
12412.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].text |
你這報告就文件記錄都不可信 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].start |
12412.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].end |
12414.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].text |
對照中聯油紙這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].start |
12414.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].end |
12416.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].text |
對照中聯油紙這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].start |
12416.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].end |
12418.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].text |
更嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].start |
12418.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].end |
12420.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].text |
它不只是產品超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].start |
12420.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].end |
12422.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].text |
它沒有確實落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].start |
12422.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].end |
12424.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].text |
連批號隱藏 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].start |
12424.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].end |
12426.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].text |
它連檢驗結果本身都出現不一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].start |
12426.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].end |
12428.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].text |
它的留存的樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].start |
12428.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].end |
12430.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].text |
跟下游檢出的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].start |
12430.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].end |
12432.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].text |
還不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].start |
12435.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].end |
12437.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].text |
你要怎麼去釐清污染原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].start |
12437.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].end |
12439.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].text |
檢驗結果還不一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].start |
12439.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].end |
12441.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].text |
中聯整個自主管理失靈的零件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].start |
12443.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].end |
12445.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].text |
整個制度管理的失靈的環節 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].start |
12445.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].end |
12447.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].text |
都要落實到記錄上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].start |
12447.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].end |
12449.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].text |
可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].start |
12449.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].end |
12451.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].text |
現在連記錄都造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].start |
12451.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].end |
12453.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].text |
樣品都是掉包的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].start |
12453.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].end |
12455.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].text |
然後故意隱匿 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].start |
12455.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].end |
12457.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].text |
而你們早就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].start |
12457.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].end |
12459.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].text |
油紙廠都這樣子長期造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].start |
12461.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].end |
12463.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].text |
然後沒有留記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].start |
12464.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].end |
12466.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].text |
記錄還是假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].start |
12468.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].end |
12470.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].text |
它留的樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].start |
12470.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].end |
12472.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].text |
檢體從採樣封存保存驗送到交接 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].start |
12472.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].end |
12474.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].text |
有沒有完成記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].start |
12474.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].end |
12476.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].start |
12476.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].end |
12478.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].text |
有沒有確實的誠實的申報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].start |
12478.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].end |
12480.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].start |
12480.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].end |
12482.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].text |
檢體放在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].start |
12482.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].end |
12484.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].text |
有沒有掉包 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].start |
12484.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].end |
12486.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].text |
不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].start |
12483.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].end |
12485.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].text |
封緘編號簽收 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].start |
12485.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].end |
12487.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].text |
連檢體的狀況都搞不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].start |
12487.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].end |
12489.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].text |
所以你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].start |
12489.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].end |
12491.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].text |
HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].start |
12491.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].end |
12493.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].text |
HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].start |
12495.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].end |
12497.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].text |
對趙中聯油紙來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].start |
12497.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].end |
12499.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].text |
沒用嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].start |
12499.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].end |
12501.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].text |
對趙你的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].start |
12501.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].end |
12503.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].text |
2021年的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].start |
12503.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].end |
12505.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].text |
完全如出一轍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].start |
12505.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].end |
12507.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].text |
沒有改善沒有改進 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].start |
12507.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].end |
12509.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].text |
中聯漏報批次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].start |
12509.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].end |
12511.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].text |
也證明業者的清澈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].start |
12511.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].end |
12513.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].text |
不能直接當成事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].start |
12513.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].end |
12515.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].text |
不是真實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].start |
12516.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].end |
12518.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].text |
連提供給政府的清澈都是假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].start |
12518.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].end |
12520.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].text |
多麼遏制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].start |
12521.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].end |
12523.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].text |
所以在這裡喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].start |
12523.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].end |
12525.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].text |
本身這些資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].start |
12525.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].end |
12527.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].text |
文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].start |
12527.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].end |
12529.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].text |
你們2021年就講過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].start |
12529.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].end |
12531.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].text |
文件資料如果沒有被驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].start |
12531.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].end |
12533.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].text |
追溯追蹤系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].start |
12533.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].end |
12535.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].text |
就可能只是一份業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].start |
12535.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].end |
12537.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].text |
自己填的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].start |
12537.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].end |
12539.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].text |
你的連追溯追蹤系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].start |
12539.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].end |
12541.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].text |
都不可信 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].start |
12541.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].end |
12543.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].text |
還什麼預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].start |
12543.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].end |
12545.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].text |
發揮預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].start |
12547.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].end |
12549.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].text |
他不是追溯追蹤系統而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].start |
12549.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].end |
12551.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].text |
他連在你們的這個油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].start |
12551.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].end |
12553.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].text |
HACCP裡面都是造假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].start |
12553.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].end |
12555.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].text |
數據都不真實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].start |
12557.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].end |
12559.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].text |
那我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].start |
12559.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].end |
12561.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].text |
我是要講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].start |
12560.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].end |
12564.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].text |
107年2018到2020 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].start |
12564.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].end |
12568.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].text |
地方政府都進去查過場都知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].start |
12569.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].end |
12571.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].text |
中央也跟地方一起進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].start |
12571.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].end |
12573.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].text |
然後一起合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].start |
12573.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].end |
12575.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].text |
一起產出這一個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].start |
12575.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].end |
12577.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].text |
這個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].start |
12577.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].end |
12579.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].text |
在開頭和結尾都提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].start |
12579.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].end |
12581.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].text |
自107年起 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].start |
12581.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].end |
12583.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].text |
衛福部公告擴大實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].start |
12583.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].end |
12585.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].text |
食品安全管制系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].start |
12586.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].end |
12588.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].text |
你們擴大了HACCP的管制系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].start |
12588.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].end |
12590.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].text |
食藥署聯合地方衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].start |
12590.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].end |
12592.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].text |
完成查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].start |
12592.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].end |
12594.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].text |
食用油脂63加 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].start |
12594.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].end |
12596.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].text |
為這篇分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].start |
12596.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].end |
12598.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].text |
研究分析報告的起頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].start |
12599.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].end |
12601.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].text |
文章的結尾感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].start |
12601.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].end |
12603.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].text |
本文稽查數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].start |
12603.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].end |
12607.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].text |
由各地方衛生局及食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].start |
12607.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].end |
12611.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].text |
各區管中心同仁共同合作的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].start |
12612.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].end |
12614.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].text |
所以常常都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].start |
12614.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].end |
12616.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].text |
你們都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].start |
12616.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].end |
12618.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].text |
地方政府知道中央食藥署也知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].start |
12618.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].end |
12620.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].text |
業者長期造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].start |
12620.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].end |
12624.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].text |
業者長期在油品加工裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].start |
12624.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].end |
12626.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].text |
都是高風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].start |
12626.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].end |
12628.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].text |
因為造假沒有危害分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].start |
12628.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].end |
12630.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].start |
12630.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].end |
12632.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].text |
也不落實該有的管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].start |
12632.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].end |
12634.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].text |
沒有危害的管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].start |
12634.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].end |
12636.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].text |
然後也沒有因應的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].start |
12636.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].end |
12638.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].text |
處理的這個程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].start |
12638.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].end |
12640.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].text |
長期重放 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].start |
12640.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].end |
12642.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].text |
你們都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].start |
12642.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].end |
12644.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].text |
可是你們長期重放 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].start |
12644.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].end |
12646.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].text |
長期讓人民吃下肚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].start |
12648.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].end |
12650.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].text |
那HACCP是假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].start |
12650.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].end |
12652.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].text |
那人民真可憐 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].start |
12652.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].end |
12654.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].text |
人民真可憐 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].start |
12654.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].end |
12656.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].text |
因為政府長期都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].start |
12657.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].end |
12659.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].text |
實用油脂工廠的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].start |
12660.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].end |
12662.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].text |
很嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].start |
12663.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].end |
12665.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].text |
記錄不落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].start |
12665.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].end |
12667.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].text |
危害分析不具體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].start |
12667.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].end |
12669.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].text |
矯正措施不完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].start |
12669.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].end |
12671.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].text |
記錄管理都是造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].start |
12673.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].end |
12675.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].text |
所以我們是要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].start |
12676.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].end |
12678.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].text |
地方跟中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].start |
12678.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].end |
12680.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].text |
在那一次的實用油脂工廠查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].start |
12680.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].end |
12682.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].text |
共同完成了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].start |
12684.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].end |
12686.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].start |
12686.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].end |
12688.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].text |
有沒有要求地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].start |
12688.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].end |
12690.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].text |
每年都要繼續查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].start |
12690.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].end |
12692.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].text |
你的HACCP場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].start |
12692.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].end |
12694.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].text |
每年都要回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].start |
12694.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].end |
12696.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].text |
轄內實用油脂工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].start |
12696.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].end |
12698.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].text |
HACCP的重大缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].start |
12698.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].end |
12700.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].text |
是不是重複發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].start |
12700.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].end |
12702.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].text |
有沒有要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].start |
12701.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].end |
12703.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].text |
不要說地方政府去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].start |
12703.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].end |
12705.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].text |
一次兩次或幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].start |
12705.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].end |
12707.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].text |
查什麼才是重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].start |
12708.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].end |
12710.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].text |
有沒有要求是要素 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].start |
12710.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].end |
12712.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].text |
是要素 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].start |
12712.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].end |
12714.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].text |
有沒有要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].start |
12714.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].end |
12716.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].text |
你們要求他們具體改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].start |
12716.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].end |
12718.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].text |
你們說他改善了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].start |
12718.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].end |
12720.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].text |
每年還有進去看嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].start |
12718.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].end |
12719.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].start |
12719.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].end |
12721.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].start |
12721.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].end |
12722.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].start |
12722.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].end |
12724.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].text |
這個是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].start |
12724.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].end |
12725.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].text |
如同您剛剛提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].start |
12725.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].end |
12728.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].text |
剛好是新的HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].start |
12728.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].end |
12729.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].text |
上路的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].start |
12729.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].end |
12731.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].text |
去初期去查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].start |
12731.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].end |
12733.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].text |
所以這個後續都是要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].start |
12733.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].end |
12735.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].text |
他們要去改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].start |
12735.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].end |
12737.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].text |
這個按照新的HACCP標準去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].start |
12737.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].end |
12739.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].start |
12739.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].end |
12741.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].text |
之後的記錄就 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].start |
12741.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].end |
12742.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].text |
因為各家的表現不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].start |
12742.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].end |
12743.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].text |
就交由地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].start |
12743.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].end |
12745.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].text |
去根據他的風險程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].start |
12745.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].end |
12747.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].text |
去做後續的年度追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].start |
12747.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].end |
12748.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].start |
12748.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].end |
12749.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].text |
所以並不是所有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].start |
12749.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].end |
12752.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].text |
去看了就發現普遍都是這樣的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].start |
12752.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].end |
12754.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].text |
那你們有沒有要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].start |
12754.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].end |
12756.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].text |
地方政府每年都要去查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].start |
12756.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].end |
12759.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].text |
HACCP的這一些重大的缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].start |
12759.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].end |
12761.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].text |
這一些重大的缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].start |
12761.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].end |
12766.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].text |
只指HACCP的最核心的管制上的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].start |
12766.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].end |
12768.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].text |
而都沒有做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].start |
12768.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].end |
12771.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].text |
所以你應該要都要求地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].start |
12771.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].end |
12773.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].text |
你去查場的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].start |
12773.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].end |
12775.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].text |
不能夠再重複發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].start |
12775.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].end |
12777.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].text |
你應該也要在中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].start |
12777.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].end |
12778.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].text |
要建立一套 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].start |
12778.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].end |
12780.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].text |
跨縣市的共享資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].start |
12780.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].end |
12783.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].text |
讓中聯這一種大型有紙平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].start |
12783.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].end |
12786.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].text |
不是指有所在地的衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].start |
12786.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].end |
12789.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].text |
去單獨掌控那一些資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].start |
12789.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].end |
12791.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].text |
每年各地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].start |
12792.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].end |
12793.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].text |
查上來資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].start |
12793.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].end |
12796.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].text |
應該共同share到這個平台上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].start |
12796.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].end |
12798.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].text |
大家會看到普遍的風險是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].start |
12799.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].end |
12800.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].text |
跟委員說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].start |
12800.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].end |
12803.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].text |
這個只要是去查場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].start |
12803.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].end |
12807.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].text |
那麼HACCP被我們公告要實施HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].start |
12807.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].end |
12809.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].text |
還有GHP的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].start |
12809.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].end |
12811.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].text |
這個都是一定要查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].start |
12811.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].end |
12813.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].text |
你們HACCP一年查幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].start |
12813.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].end |
12814.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].text |
幾年查一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].start |
12814.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].end |
12816.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].text |
或者是一年查幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].start |
12816.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].end |
12818.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].text |
這個是地方在執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].start |
12818.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].end |
12819.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].text |
只要他是去查場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].start |
12819.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].end |
12821.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].text |
對 不管中央或地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].start |
12821.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].end |
12823.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].text |
到底是多久要查一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].start |
12824.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].end |
12826.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].text |
每一個樣態是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].start |
12826.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].end |
12831.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].text |
因為我們公告要做HACCP的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].start |
12831.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].end |
12832.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].text |
那麼去查場的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].start |
12832.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].end |
12834.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].text |
就會查HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].start |
12834.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].end |
12836.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].text |
所以才會有這些資料出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].start |
12836.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].end |
12837.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].text |
所以你們只有專案的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].start |
12837.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].end |
12839.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].text |
才會去查HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].start |
12839.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].end |
12841.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].text |
沒有專案平台就不查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].start |
12841.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].end |
12844.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].text |
地方常規的查核就是查這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].start |
12844.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].end |
12847.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].text |
它就是GHP加HACCP的查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].start |
12847.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].end |
12849.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].text |
常規的查核要多久一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].start |
12849.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].end |
12853.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].text |
常規的查核就要根據它的風險不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].start |
12853.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].end |
12856.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].text |
所以這一篇報告指出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].start |
12856.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].end |
12857.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].text |
也有一年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].start |
12857.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].end |
12858.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].text |
也有比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].start |
12858.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].end |
12859.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].text |
不是這一次的查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].start |
12859.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].end |
12862.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].text |
107到19年查完就沒了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].start |
12862.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].end |
12864.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].text |
也不是地方完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].start |
12864.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].end |
12866.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].text |
這個缺失的複查就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].start |
12866.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].end |
12870.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].text |
中央知道整個有恥產業的缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].start |
12870.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].end |
12872.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].text |
地方政府也知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].start |
12872.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].end |
12878.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].text |
轄內業者實際造假數據不完整的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].start |
12878.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].end |
12881.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].text |
兩邊都應該要把這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].start |
12881.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].end |
12883.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].text |
當成很嚴肅的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].start |
12883.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].end |
12886.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].text |
結果中央跟地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].start |
12886.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].end |
12888.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].text |
可能長期都知情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].start |
12888.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].end |
12890.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].text |
卻待呼職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].start |
12890.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].end |
12895.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].text |
導致今天中聯有指這整個系統性的風暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].start |
12895.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].end |
12898.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].text |
我現在再跟你最後一項的提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].start |
12898.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].end |
12900.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].text |
我最後一項的提醒是要告訴你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].start |
12902.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].end |
12905.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].text |
整個 HACCP 如果是這樣子運作的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].start |
12905.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].end |
12907.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].text |
不會是只有中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].start |
12907.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].end |
12909.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].text |
也不會是只有油品的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].start |
12911.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].end |
12915.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].text |
如果 HACCP 是照這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].start |
12915.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].end |
12916.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].text |
蓄意委移 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].start |
12916.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].end |
12919.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].text |
然後官樣文章管理的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].start |
12919.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].end |
12921.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].text |
整個國家的 HACCP 制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].start |
12922.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].end |
12923.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].text |
破功啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].start |
12924.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].end |
12926.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].text |
問題就很嚴重了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].start |
12926.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].end |
12929.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].text |
所以你應該要由職場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].start |
12930.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].end |
12932.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].text |
這個預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].start |
12932.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].end |
12934.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].text |
危害風險的控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].start |
12934.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].end |
12936.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].text |
然後事前的預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].start |
12936.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].end |
12938.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].text |
通通不但沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].start |
12938.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].end |
12940.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].text |
事後發生了還掩蓋 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].start |
12940.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].end |
12942.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].text |
然後讓我們吃更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].start |
12942.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].end |
12944.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].text |
這是很嚴重的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].start |
12945.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].end |
12947.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].text |
跟委員說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].start |
12947.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].end |
12949.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].text |
這不會是全面性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].start |
12949.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].end |
12951.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].text |
因為以這個四大廠來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].start |
12951.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].end |
12953.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].text |
其他這個廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].start |
12953.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].end |
12955.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].text |
其實都維持一定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].start |
12955.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].end |
12957.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].text |
這個品質標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].start |
12957.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].end |
12959.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].text |
不要太早在這裡拍胸脯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].start |
12958.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].end |
12960.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].text |
不要在這裡太早拍胸脯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].start |
12960.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].end |
12962.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].text |
我就說過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].start |
12962.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].end |
12964.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].text |
吃啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].start |
12964.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].end |
12966.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].text |
沒有他綠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].start |
12966.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].end |
12968.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].text |
只有業者的自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].start |
12969.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].end |
12971.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].text |
這些數據是真是假 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].start |
12971.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].end |
12973.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].text |
不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].start |
12973.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].end |
12975.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].text |
這些樣品有沒有調發 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].start |
12975.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].end |
12977.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].text |
不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].start |
12976.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].end |
12978.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].text |
送驗的是A |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].start |
12978.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].end |
12980.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].text |
供貨給廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].start |
12980.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].end |
12982.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].text |
下游廠商的是B |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].start |
12982.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].end |
12984.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].text |
沒有政府介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].start |
12984.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].end |
12986.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].text |
什麼都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].start |
12987.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].end |
12989.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].text |
不要在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].start |
12989.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].end |
12991.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].text |
太早幫業者拍胸脯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].start |
12991.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].end |
12993.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].text |
我敢在這裡說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].start |
12993.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].end |
12995.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].text |
業者絕對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].start |
12995.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].end |
12997.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].text |
絕對是需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].start |
12998.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].end |
13000.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].text |
政府去管制才會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].start |
13000.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].end |
13002.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].text |
做得好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].start |
13002.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].end |
13004.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].text |
所以今天是要告訴大家說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].start |
13004.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].end |
13006.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].text |
HACCP制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].start |
13006.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].end |
13008.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].text |
你們最好是讓它 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].start |
13008.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].end |
13010.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].text |
是真的HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].start |
13010.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].end |
13012.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].text |
不是假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].start |
13012.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].end |
13014.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].text |
從中聯遊子來看就是假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].start |
13014.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].end |
13016.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].text |
從2021年的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].start |
13016.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].end |
13018.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].text |
都知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].start |
13018.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].end |
13020.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].text |
再對照出來你說他改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].start |
13020.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].end |
13022.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].text |
合格了都是騙人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].start |
13025.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].end |
13027.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].text |
好謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].start |
13027.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].end |
13029.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].text |
這次我們在修法裡面也會針對HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].start |
13029.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].end |
13031.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].text |
去強化要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].start |
13031.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].end |
13033.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].text |
好謝謝林時豐我的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].start |
13032.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].end |
13034.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].text |
這次宣告在王政序委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].start |
13034.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].end |
13036.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].text |
質詢後休息30分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].start |
13036.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].end |
13038.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].text |
現在請邱政軍委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].start |
13044.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].end |
13046.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].start |
13046.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].end |
13048.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].text |
我們請食藥署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].start |
13055.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].end |
13057.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].text |
委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].start |
13057.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].end |
13059.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].text |
我昨天看到你們最新的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].start |
13059.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].end |
13061.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].text |
這是中聯遊子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].start |
13061.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].end |
13063.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].text |
這個實案事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].start |
13063.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].end |
13065.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].text |
是中聯去年調高大豆的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].start |
13066.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].end |
13068.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].text |
這個熱損率還有製程管品管有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].start |
13068.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].end |
13070.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].text |
所以造成今年4到6月的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].start |
13070.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].end |
13072.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].text |
有7批的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].start |
13072.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].end |
13074.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].text |
的BAP的超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].start |
13077.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].end |
13079.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].text |
就是說他原本的熱損率是0.5% |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].start |
13079.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].end |
13081.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].text |
他們之前買 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].start |
13081.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].end |
13083.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].text |
那去年要調到這個5% |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].start |
13084.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].end |
13086.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].text |
也有就近了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].start |
13086.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].end |
13088.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].text |
他去年從去年就開始調到5% |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].start |
13088.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].end |
13090.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].text |
是這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].start |
13090.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].end |
13092.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].text |
這邊跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].start |
13093.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].end |
13095.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].text |
他們公司分上半年下半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].start |
13097.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].end |
13099.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].text |
大概在3月以前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].start |
13099.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].end |
13101.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].text |
是美國豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].start |
13101.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].end |
13103.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].text |
下半年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].start |
13103.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].end |
13105.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].text |
在4月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].start |
13105.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].end |
13107.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].text |
我的意思是說他從0.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].start |
13107.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].end |
13109.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].text |
調到5%是去年才調的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].start |
13109.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].end |
13111.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].text |
這是在114年的6月4日 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].start |
13111.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].end |
13113.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].text |
去年進口這個巴西的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].start |
13113.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].end |
13115.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].text |
大豆時間集中在3月到9月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].start |
13115.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].end |
13117.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].start |
13117.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].end |
13119.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].text |
然後有將近87萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].start |
13119.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].end |
13121.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].text |
9千公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].start |
13121.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].end |
13123.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].text |
保守估計可以做成10萬噸的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].start |
13123.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].end |
13125.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].text |
沙拉油啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].start |
13125.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].end |
13127.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].text |
這個標準瓶的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].start |
13127.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].end |
13129.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].text |
600ml的瓶子來算的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].start |
13129.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].end |
13131.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].text |
可以裝1.8億瓶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].start |
13131.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].end |
13133.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].text |
你們怎麼有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].start |
13133.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].end |
13135.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].text |
現在這個時候你還可以老神 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].start |
13135.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].end |
13137.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].text |
再說要宣布上架呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].start |
13137.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].end |
13139.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].start |
13139.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].end |
13141.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].text |
現在4到6月的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].start |
13141.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].end |
13143.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].text |
其實他生產批次是很確定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].start |
13143.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].end |
13145.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].text |
從4月1號到6月30號 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].start |
13145.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].end |
13147.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].text |
所以你現在覺得他生產沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].start |
13147.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].end |
13149.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].text |
我的意思是說現在我們看到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].start |
13149.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].end |
13151.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].text |
我跟你們講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].start |
13151.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].end |
13153.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].text |
現在進口大豆是不是分兩種 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].start |
13153.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].end |
13155.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].text |
就是我們防疫署 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].start |
13155.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].end |
13157.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].text |
是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].start |
13157.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].end |
13159.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].text |
管理這個進口農藥有沒有病蟲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].start |
13159.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].end |
13161.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].text |
那食藥署是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].start |
13161.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].end |
13163.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].text |
食品用途的大豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].start |
13163.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].end |
13165.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].text |
抽驗也是驗重金屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].start |
13165.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].end |
13167.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].text |
或農藥產地容許 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].start |
13167.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].end |
13169.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].text |
那除了這些檢疫證明之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].start |
13169.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].end |
13171.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].text |
有要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].start |
13171.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].end |
13173.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].text |
我們出口國要提供大豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].start |
13173.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].end |
13175.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].text |
熱損率證明之類的文件嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].start |
13177.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].end |
13179.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].start |
13179.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].end |
13181.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].text |
因為現在節點上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].start |
13181.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].end |
13183.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].text |
我們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].start |
13183.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].end |
13185.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].text |
電量PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].start |
13184.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].end |
13186.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].text |
一個標準的油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].start |
13186.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].end |
13188.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].text |
你們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].start |
13188.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].end |
13190.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].text |
黃豆在產地會因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].start |
13190.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].end |
13192.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].text |
乾燥或儲存不當 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].start |
13192.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].end |
13194.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].text |
而產生熱損傷的這樣的加工瑕疵 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].start |
13194.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].end |
13196.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].text |
那為什麼沒有進一步去要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].start |
13196.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].end |
13198.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].text |
我想謝謝委員的指正 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].start |
13198.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].end |
13200.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].text |
那這部分其實很重要的節點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].start |
13200.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].end |
13202.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].text |
在這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].start |
13202.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].end |
13204.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].text |
所以我們還是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].start |
13204.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].end |
13206.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].text |
又是要靠我們業者的自律心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].start |
13206.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].end |
13208.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].text |
來保障我們的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].start |
13208.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].end |
13210.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].text |
就像你們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].start |
13210.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].end |
13212.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].text |
要修的法一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].start |
13212.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].end |
13214.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].text |
沒有做到主動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].start |
13214.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].end |
13216.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].text |
沒有做到連線 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].start |
13216.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].end |
13218.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].text |
你還是讓這個業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].start |
13218.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].end |
13220.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].text |
自己主動去通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].start |
13220.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].end |
13222.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].text |
這樣有什麼用呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].start |
13222.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].end |
13224.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].text |
不是回到原點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].start |
13224.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].end |
13226.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].text |
這個入法之後的所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].start |
13226.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].end |
13228.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].text |
不是主動是強制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].start |
13227.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].end |
13229.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].text |
強制的通報的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].start |
13229.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].end |
13231.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].text |
其實讓這個預警點能夠拉前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].start |
13231.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].end |
13233.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].text |
你們的食品運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].start |
13233.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].end |
13235.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].text |
還是要幹嘛的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].start |
13235.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].end |
13237.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].text |
你不能跟這些檢驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].start |
13238.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].end |
13240.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].text |
單位來做連線嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].start |
13240.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].end |
13242.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].text |
不能主動跳提示嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].start |
13242.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].end |
13244.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].text |
這邊跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].start |
13244.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].end |
13246.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].text |
因為之前的評估當然是有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].start |
13246.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].end |
13248.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].text |
相關的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].start |
13248.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].end |
13250.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].text |
那也牽涉到多方的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].start |
13250.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].end |
13252.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].text |
所以在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].start |
13252.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].end |
13254.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].text |
13年的期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].start |
13254.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].end |
13256.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].text |
我們針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].start |
13256.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].end |
13258.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].text |
蘇丹紅事件的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].start |
13258.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].end |
13260.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].text |
有相關的提案之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].start |
13260.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].end |
13262.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].text |
他也講了很多次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].start |
13262.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].end |
13264.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].text |
台中市政府之前也反應過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].start |
13264.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].end |
13266.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].text |
這反應的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].start |
13266.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].end |
13268.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].text |
我們針對這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].start |
13268.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].end |
13270.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].text |
有經過的專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].start |
13270.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].end |
13272.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].text |
以及業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].start |
13272.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].end |
13274.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].text |
以及我們的各縣市衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].start |
13274.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].end |
13276.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].text |
現在講結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].start |
13276.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].end |
13278.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].text |
你要怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].start |
13277.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].end |
13279.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].text |
我覺得這個點是非常重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].start |
13279.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].end |
13281.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].text |
我們在關鍵的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].start |
13281.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].end |
13283.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].text |
HACCP的節點裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].start |
13283.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].end |
13285.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].text |
有沒有辦法把它入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].start |
13285.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].end |
13287.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].text |
這一次的研議裡面我想也尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].start |
13287.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].end |
13289.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].text |
整個委員以及各方的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].start |
13289.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].end |
13291.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].text |
裡面有把這個部分納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].start |
13291.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].end |
13293.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].text |
裡面的考量共同來研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].start |
13293.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].end |
13295.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].text |
他的可行性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].start |
13295.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].end |
13297.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].text |
現在方向來規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].start |
13297.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].end |
13299.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].text |
我們就朝這個方向來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].start |
13299.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].end |
13301.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].text |
今年一到六月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].start |
13301.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].end |
13303.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].text |
我看到基改大豆進口總量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].start |
13303.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].end |
13305.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].text |
關務署給我的資料是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].start |
13305.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].end |
13307.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].text |
127萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].start |
13307.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].end |
13309.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].text |
9714公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].start |
13309.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].end |
13311.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].text |
同一期間 同一貨品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].start |
13311.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].end |
13313.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].text |
食藥署受理抱怨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].start |
13313.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].end |
13315.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].text |
這個進度是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].start |
13315.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].end |
13317.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].text |
127萬 8000 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].start |
13317.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].end |
13319.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].text |
061公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].start |
13319.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].end |
13321.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].text |
差了1653噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].start |
13321.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].end |
13323.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].text |
哪裡去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].start |
13322.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].end |
13324.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].text |
為什麼進來那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].start |
13324.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].end |
13326.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].text |
你們檢驗才 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].start |
13326.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].end |
13328.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].text |
這個差距差了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].start |
13328.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].end |
13330.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].text |
1600多噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].start |
13330.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].end |
13332.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].text |
市長委員請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].start |
13332.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].end |
13334.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].text |
我們的邊境的抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].start |
13334.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].end |
13336.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].text |
叫做Border Protection Intelligence |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].start |
13336.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].end |
13338.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].text |
按照他的風險等級 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].start |
13338.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].end |
13340.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].text |
做抽驗的基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].start |
13340.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].end |
13342.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].text |
這邊是跟委員特別做一些報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].start |
13342.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].end |
13344.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].text |
所以並不是每一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].start |
13344.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].end |
13346.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].text |
而是抽批的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].start |
13346.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].end |
13348.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].text |
按照他風險跟檢出的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].start |
13348.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].end |
13350.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].text |
黃豆的風險點在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].start |
13350.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].end |
13352.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].text |
所以是我們的植種金屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].start |
13352.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].end |
13354.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].text |
黃麴毒素等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].start |
13354.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].end |
13356.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].text |
過去對於我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].start |
13356.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].end |
13358.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].text |
不是 我在說你受理抱怨的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].start |
13358.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].end |
13360.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].text |
我現在講總重量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].start |
13362.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].end |
13364.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].text |
我不是問你驗幾批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].start |
13364.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].end |
13366.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].text |
報告報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].start |
13366.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].end |
13368.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].text |
我們的資料受理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].start |
13368.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].end |
13370.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].text |
跟你的數字是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].start |
13370.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].end |
13372.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].text |
都是1278061 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].start |
13372.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].end |
13374.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].text |
對 但是公務署不會騙人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].start |
13374.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].end |
13376.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].text |
我的資料也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].start |
13376.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].end |
13378.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].text |
公務署給我的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].start |
13378.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].end |
13380.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].text |
相近的 差了1653公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].start |
13380.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].end |
13382.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].text |
1653公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].start |
13382.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].end |
13384.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].text |
叫做相近 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].start |
13385.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].end |
13387.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].text |
一個統計期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].start |
13387.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].end |
13389.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].text |
叫受理期間 這個是很將近的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].start |
13389.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].end |
13391.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].text |
為什麼叫將近 1000多公噸的它會消失 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].start |
13394.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].end |
13396.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].text |
我跟你講啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].start |
13396.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].end |
13398.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].text |
你們到現在數字都說不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].start |
13398.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].end |
13400.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].text |
連這麼基礎的都沒有辦法做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].start |
13400.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].end |
13402.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].text |
都會有誤差 公務署跟你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].start |
13402.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].end |
13404.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].text |
報官進來的 跟你們查驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].start |
13404.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].end |
13406.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].text |
這個數字都會有差 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].start |
13406.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].end |
13408.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].text |
難怪你們講不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].start |
13408.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].end |
13410.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].text |
一個是報驗的 一個是出官的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].start |
13410.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].end |
13412.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].text |
兩個時間是會有差距的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].start |
13412.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].end |
13414.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].text |
會有差距的 同一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].start |
13414.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].end |
13416.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].text |
這個時間點上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].start |
13416.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].end |
13418.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].text |
你不要再跟我拗時間點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].start |
13418.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].end |
13420.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].text |
我們會去把我們所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].start |
13420.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].end |
13422.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].text |
報官的來註明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].start |
13422.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].end |
13424.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].text |
今年2月到6月 台灣總共從 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].start |
13424.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].end |
13426.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].text |
巴西進口大概70萬噸的大豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].start |
13426.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].end |
13428.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].text |
那總報單 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].start |
13428.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].end |
13430.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].text |
117批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].start |
13430.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].end |
13432.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].text |
6月到5月 巴西進口大概60萬噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].start |
13433.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].end |
13435.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].text |
進口商有15家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].start |
13435.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].end |
13437.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].text |
這60萬公噸 其中有20萬公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].start |
13437.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].end |
13439.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].text |
直接賣給下一個22家廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].start |
13439.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].end |
13441.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].text |
31萬噸是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].start |
13441.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].end |
13443.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].text |
8大廠同時進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].start |
13443.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].end |
13445.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].text |
又是加工廠的業者 那自己留著 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].start |
13445.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].end |
13447.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].text |
就包含已經知道的大統一 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].start |
13447.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].end |
13449.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].text |
大城還有我們福壽中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].start |
13449.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].end |
13451.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].text |
那剩下9萬噸哪裡去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].start |
13453.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].end |
13455.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].text |
我想我們這邊報告數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].start |
13455.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].end |
13457.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].text |
我們收到的是70萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].start |
13457.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].end |
13459.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].text |
45008噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].start |
13459.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].end |
13461.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].text |
你們的數據出來都是多不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].start |
13461.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].end |
13465.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].text |
57萬3478公噸是來自於美國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].start |
13465.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].end |
13467.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].text |
那我們確實收到數據是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].start |
13467.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].end |
13469.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].text |
我們會後再把相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].start |
13469.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].end |
13471.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].text |
完整的數據跟委員做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].start |
13471.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].end |
13473.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].text |
對阿 你們的數據 我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].start |
13473.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].end |
13475.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].text |
完全錯不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].start |
13475.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].end |
13479.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].text |
中聯有指批號 我這樣315-115-0404-JPU |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].start |
13479.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].end |
13481.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].text |
在今年4月4號生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].start |
13481.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].end |
13484.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].text |
那它的原料是在今年3月31號進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].start |
13484.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].end |
13486.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].text |
那報驗號是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].start |
13486.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].end |
13490.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].text |
IEFK 15180009702 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].start |
13490.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].end |
13494.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].text |
報單號碼是DA 151021379 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].start |
13494.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].end |
13496.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].text |
那會不會發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].start |
13496.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].end |
13498.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].text |
10月1號又有問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].start |
13498.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].end |
13500.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].text |
那10月1號的豆子哪裡來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].start |
13501.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].end |
13503.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].text |
10月1號我們後來確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].start |
13503.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].end |
13505.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].text |
它是哪一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].start |
13505.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].end |
13507.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].text |
它是往前一批的美國豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].start |
13507.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].end |
13509.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].text |
不是10月4號這一批的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].start |
13509.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].end |
13511.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].text |
它的傳批是12-ET |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].start |
13511.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].end |
13513.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].text |
15年1月25號進來的豆子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].start |
13513.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].end |
13515.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].text |
所以是在美國豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].start |
13515.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].end |
13517.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].text |
後來我們確實的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].start |
13517.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].end |
13519.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].text |
它是扁平坪BAP是沒有驗出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].start |
13519.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].end |
13521.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].text |
這邊我們都已經有公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].start |
13521.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].end |
13523.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].text |
好 我再問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].start |
13523.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].end |
13525.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].text |
中聯的賣方是國際大糧商這個加級 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].start |
13525.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].end |
13527.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].text |
從87商托斯港裝貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].start |
13527.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].end |
13529.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].text |
運到台中港蘇魯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].start |
13529.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].end |
13531.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].text |
那這批貨分6筆報關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].start |
13531.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].end |
13533.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].text |
總共大概5.46萬公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].start |
13533.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].end |
13535.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].text |
全部進到中聯有指 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].start |
13535.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].end |
13537.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].text |
那6張報驗單 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].start |
13537.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].end |
13539.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].text |
做成10批大豆沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].start |
13539.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].end |
13541.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].text |
總共是12930公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].start |
13541.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].end |
13543.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].text |
但很奇怪的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].start |
13543.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].end |
13545.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].text |
這10批的批號開頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].start |
13545.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].end |
13547.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].text |
看起來是不同油槽 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].start |
13547.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].end |
13549.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].text |
但是有5批本篇筆槽標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].start |
13549.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].end |
13551.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].text |
這10批當中的第一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].start |
13551.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].end |
13553.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].text |
也就是我們這一次被驗出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].start |
13553.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].end |
13555.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].text |
引爆食安的這一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].start |
13555.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].end |
13557.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].text |
我們在台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].start |
13557.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].end |
13559.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].text |
被驗出來的引爆食安的這一批油的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].start |
13559.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].end |
13561.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].text |
10批裡面有5批有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].start |
13561.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].end |
13563.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].text |
2到6月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].start |
13563.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].end |
13565.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].text |
進了70萬公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].start |
13565.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].end |
13567.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].text |
你們只抓了大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].start |
13567.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].end |
13569.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].text |
其中的5萬噸來查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].start |
13569.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].end |
13571.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].text |
連一成都不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].start |
13570.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].end |
13572.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].text |
面對這麼高異常的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].start |
13572.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].end |
13574.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].text |
你們不是擴大追查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].start |
13574.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].end |
13576.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].text |
而是急著縮小範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].start |
13576.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].end |
13578.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].text |
現在是怎麼樣 宣布 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].start |
13578.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].end |
13580.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].text |
就是不敢影響到其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].start |
13580.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].end |
13582.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].text |
廠商 然後保護業者的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].start |
13582.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].end |
13584.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].text |
然後拿人民的財產安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].start |
13584.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].end |
13586.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].text |
分明來做這個犧牲 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].start |
13586.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].end |
13588.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].text |
是這樣嗎 報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].start |
13588.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].end |
13590.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].text |
我們今年從1月到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].start |
13590.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].end |
13592.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].text |
6月的60批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].start |
13592.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].end |
13594.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].text |
其實我們現在有 檢體的全部都驗完了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].start |
13594.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].end |
13596.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].text |
1到3月的我們驗出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].start |
13596.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].end |
13598.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].text |
結果都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].start |
13598.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].end |
13600.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].text |
沒有檢出的 沒有超標的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].start |
13600.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].end |
13602.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].text |
4到6月的剛才提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].start |
13602.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].end |
13604.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].text |
4月 5月 6月我們分別在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].start |
13604.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].end |
13606.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].text |
4月10批裡面有5批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].start |
13606.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].end |
13608.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].text |
針對其他的5批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].start |
13608.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].end |
13610.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].text |
總共10批裡面我們都每一批都驗完 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].start |
13610.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].end |
13612.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].text |
原油跟下油相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].start |
13612.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].end |
13614.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].text |
油品 確立它 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].start |
13614.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].end |
13616.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].text |
上下之間的關係能夠達成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].start |
13616.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].end |
13618.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].text |
確定它的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].start |
13618.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].end |
13620.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].text |
目前是沒有檢出的安全的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].start |
13620.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].end |
13622.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].text |
你只驗了5萬多噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].start |
13622.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].end |
13624.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].text |
5萬多噸而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].start |
13624.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].end |
13626.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].text |
我跟委員稍微報告 因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].start |
13626.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].end |
13628.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].text |
做出來的油跟豆子的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].start |
13628.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].end |
13630.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].text |
你們覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].start |
13630.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].end |
13632.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].text |
只要不驗就不會有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].start |
13632.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].end |
13634.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].text |
不是 曾委員進一步說每一批都驗過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].start |
13634.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].end |
13636.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].text |
平常要有風險管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].start |
13636.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].end |
13638.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].start |
13638.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].end |
13640.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].text |
風險管理是要靠科學 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].start |
13640.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].end |
13642.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].text |
那危機發生的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].start |
13642.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].end |
13644.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].text |
要阻止風險擴散 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].start |
13644.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].end |
13646.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].text |
所以要有決心嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].start |
13646.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].end |
13648.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].text |
再好的科學也保護不了人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].start |
13648.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].end |
13650.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].text |
你們如果不做 拿著再好的武器也沒用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].start |
13650.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].end |
13652.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].text |
謝謝委員的關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].start |
13652.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].end |
13654.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].text |
我們又下定決心每一批都驗了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].start |
13654.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].end |
13656.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].text |
而且驗出來結果的每一批都 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].start |
13656.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].end |
13658.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].text |
跟各位委員做報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].start |
13658.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].end |
13660.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].text |
其中我們看到19批的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].start |
13660.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].end |
13662.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].text |
目前是上下油都驗起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].start |
13662.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].end |
13664.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].text |
是合規標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].start |
13664.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].end |
13666.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].text |
另外有3批的油槽 甚至還在油槽裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].start |
13666.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].end |
13668.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].text |
我們也進去驗確定都是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].start |
13668.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].end |
13670.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].text |
驗出扁平批的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].start |
13670.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].end |
13672.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].text |
這邊也在這個機會跟委員跟各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].start |
13672.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].end |
13674.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].text |
大眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].start |
13674.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].end |
13676.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].text |
那我再問你進口商有15家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].start |
13676.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].end |
13678.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].text |
直接賣給下油22家廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].start |
13678.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].end |
13680.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].text |
8大廠自己留 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].start |
13680.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].end |
13682.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].text |
所以總共有30間工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].start |
13682.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].end |
13684.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].text |
進到可能有問題的豆子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].start |
13684.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].end |
13686.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].text |
另外還有9萬噸 我們現在剛才我算了一下追不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].start |
13686.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].end |
13688.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].text |
那你很快要開學了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].start |
13688.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].end |
13690.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].text |
你不繼續追嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].start |
13690.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].end |
13692.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].text |
你認為這樣就安全了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].start |
13692.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].end |
13694.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].text |
跟委員說明 我們對於進入油廠裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].start |
13694.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].end |
13696.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].text |
因為豆子的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].start |
13696.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].end |
13698.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].text |
不代表結果有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].start |
13698.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].end |
13700.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].text |
因為整個製程其實在管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].start |
13700.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].end |
13702.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].text |
我知道啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].start |
13702.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].end |
13704.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].text |
你最清零這件事情是很不以為然 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].start |
13704.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].end |
13706.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].text |
那2024年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].start |
13706.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].end |
13708.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].text |
賴清德總統是很討厭你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].start |
13708.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].end |
13710.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].text |
這種樣子 你這種態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].start |
13710.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].end |
13712.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].text |
但他現在把你當寶貝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].start |
13712.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].end |
13714.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].text |
以前的民進黨在野要求的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].start |
13714.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].end |
13716.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].text |
寧可錯篩也不要放過風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].start |
13716.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].end |
13718.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].text |
現在執政了就變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].start |
13718.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].end |
13720.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].text |
沒有百分之百的證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].start |
13720.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].end |
13722.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].text |
就不要擴大處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].start |
13723.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].end |
13725.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].text |
這邊跟委員特別報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].start |
13725.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].end |
13727.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].text |
我請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].start |
13727.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].end |
13730.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].text |
3月13號 食品安全會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].start |
13730.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].end |
13732.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].text |
那時候李孟燕 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].start |
13732.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].end |
13735.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].text |
這個秘書長說發現瘦肉精不要馬上發布消息 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].start |
13735.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].end |
13737.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].text |
不然會造成恐慌 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].start |
13737.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].end |
13739.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].text |
大家普遍愛吃的美牛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].start |
13739.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].end |
13741.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].text |
都有瘦肉精 已經吃了10年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].start |
13741.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].end |
13743.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].text |
所以要大家接受牛跟豬有瘦肉精 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].start |
13743.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].end |
13745.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].text |
你當時也在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].start |
13745.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].end |
13747.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].text |
那現在請你告訴我 是不是因為民進黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].start |
13747.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].end |
13749.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].text |
執政無限開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].start |
13749.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].end |
13751.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].text |
所以我們現在吃的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].start |
13751.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].end |
13753.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].text |
美豬美牛都有瘦肉精 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].start |
13753.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].end |
13755.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].text |
跟委員做進一步說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].start |
13755.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].end |
13757.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].text |
對於美豬美牛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].start |
13757.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].end |
13759.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].text |
以及各國的豬肉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].start |
13759.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].end |
13761.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].text |
我們對於瘦肉精的管理其實是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].start |
13762.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].end |
13764.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].text |
那在豬肉的開放跟牛肉開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].start |
13764.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].end |
13766.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].text |
其實我們從歷史上看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].start |
13766.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].end |
13768.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].text |
都知道它在不同的政黨階段裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].start |
13768.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].end |
13770.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].text |
都同樣的開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].start |
13770.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].end |
13772.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].text |
對我來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].start |
13772.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].end |
13774.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].text |
瘦肉精是一種化學物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].start |
13774.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].end |
13776.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].text |
它的風險是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].start |
13776.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].end |
13778.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].text |
不應牛跟豬有改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].start |
13778.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].end |
13780.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].text |
我們堅持原來的觀點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].start |
13780.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].end |
13782.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].text |
我問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].start |
13782.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].end |
13784.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].text |
這個蘋果分普林的殘留容許 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].start |
13784.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].end |
13786.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].text |
業者當時申請的容許值是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].start |
13786.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].end |
13788.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].text |
他報出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].start |
13788.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].end |
13790.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].text |
希望我們 喔他希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].start |
13790.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].end |
13792.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].text |
報出來的 我記得是五 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].start |
13792.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].end |
13794.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].text |
我們實際上算出來不是五 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].start |
13794.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].end |
13796.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].text |
因為是在三的PPM的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].start |
13796.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].end |
13798.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].text |
所以我們即使申請出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].start |
13798.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].end |
13800.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].text |
不管是申請量是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].start |
13800.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].end |
13802.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].text |
要求是多少或希望多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].start |
13802.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].end |
13804.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].text |
我們都按照我們的科學風險分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].start |
13804.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].end |
13806.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].text |
在整個專家委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].start |
13806.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].end |
13808.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].text |
用國際的OECD的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].start |
13808.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].end |
13810.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].text |
計算公式裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].start |
13810.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].end |
13812.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].text |
我們涵蓋了國人現在的設實的習慣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].start |
13812.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].end |
13814.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].text |
把整體的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].start |
13814.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].end |
13816.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].text |
算出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].start |
13816.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].end |
13818.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].text |
所以每個國家設實的習慣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].start |
13818.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].end |
13820.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].text |
國家的設實的習慣風險是不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].start |
13820.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].end |
13822.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].text |
所以在這種前提之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].start |
13822.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].end |
13824.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].text |
我們才會按照這來說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].start |
13824.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].end |
13826.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].text |
同樣的分普林 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].start |
13826.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].end |
13828.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].text |
一次送了很多樣水果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].start |
13828.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].end |
13830.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].text |
第一面是因為資料不完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].start |
13830.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].end |
13832.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].text |
幾乎連資料都還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].start |
13832.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].end |
13834.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].text |
資格審 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].start |
13834.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].end |
13836.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].text |
112年結束後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].start |
13836.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].end |
13838.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].text |
連資料都還不起 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].start |
13838.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].end |
13840.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].text |
最後總共送了26場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].start |
13840.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].end |
13842.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].text |
田間試驗資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].start |
13842.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].end |
13844.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].text |
看起來很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].start |
13844.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].end |
13846.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].text |
但實際審查之後有22場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].start |
13846.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].end |
13848.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].text |
資料機量、資料指數或操作方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].start |
13848.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].end |
13850.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].text |
不符合美國的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].start |
13850.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].end |
13852.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].text |
全部被剔除 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].start |
13852.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].end |
13854.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].text |
真正拿下來評估的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].start |
13854.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].end |
13856.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].text |
只有4場的試驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].start |
13856.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].end |
13858.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].text |
換句話說26場只採用4場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].start |
13858.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].end |
13860.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].text |
採用率大概只有15% |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].start |
13860.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].end |
13862.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].text |
而這4場的殘留量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].start |
13862.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].end |
13864.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].text |
大概落在0.4到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].start |
13864.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].end |
13866.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].text |
1.125ppm之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].start |
13867.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].end |
13869.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].text |
尤其最低值0.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].start |
13869.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].end |
13871.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].text |
就幾乎貼著我們原本規定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].start |
13871.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].end |
13873.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].text |
0.5的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].start |
13873.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].end |
13875.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].text |
部長你說這個3ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].start |
13875.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].end |
13877.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].text |
是為了反映實際的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].start |
13878.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].end |
13880.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].text |
這個跟台美貿易有關係嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].start |
13880.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].end |
13882.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].text |
跟台美貿易有沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].start |
13882.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].end |
13884.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].text |
先講這邊有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].start |
13884.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].end |
13886.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].text |
委員非常非常專業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].start |
13886.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].end |
13888.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].text |
26場裡面為什麼取4場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].start |
13888.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].end |
13890.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].text |
每一場的田間試驗要符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].start |
13890.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].end |
13892.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].text |
GAP良好的農業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].start |
13893.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].end |
13895.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].text |
執行標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].start |
13895.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].end |
13897.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].text |
在這種前提下才能多在此 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].start |
13897.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].end |
13899.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].text |
可信的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].start |
13899.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].end |
13901.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].text |
試驗結果才能進入評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].start |
13901.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].end |
13903.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].text |
所以進入評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].start |
13903.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].end |
13905.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].text |
一定是可信的完整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].start |
13905.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].end |
13907.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].text |
因為這個可信度才能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].start |
13907.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].end |
13909.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].text |
導入後續的計算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].start |
13909.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].end |
13911.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].text |
計算之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].start |
13911.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].end |
13913.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].text |
確實他是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].start |
13913.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].end |
13915.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].text |
這樣子3ppm的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].start |
13915.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].end |
13917.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].text |
底下是我們看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].start |
13917.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].end |
13919.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].text |
是很合理的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].start |
13919.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].end |
13921.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].text |
我們真正的問題是政府為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].start |
13921.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].end |
13923.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].text |
要接受這套資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].start |
13923.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].end |
13925.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].text |
為什麼在26場試驗中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].start |
13925.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].end |
13927.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].text |
只剩下4場可以使用仍然決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].start |
13927.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].end |
13929.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].text |
把原本的0.5ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].start |
13929.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].end |
13931.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].text |
要提高到3ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].start |
13931.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].end |
13933.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].text |
我覺得這很奇怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].start |
13933.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].end |
13935.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].start |
13935.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].end |
13937.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].text |
計算這個公式不是台灣發明的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].start |
13937.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].end |
13939.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].text |
是世界十大先進國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].start |
13939.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].end |
13941.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].text |
OECD等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].start |
13941.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].end |
13943.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].text |
進行同樣的公式在計算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].start |
13943.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].end |
13945.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].text |
不因為台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].start |
13945.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].end |
13947.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].text |
而改變了這個公式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].start |
13947.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].end |
13949.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].text |
也沒有去適應這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].start |
13949.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].end |
13951.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].text |
要去對應的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].start |
13951.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].end |
13953.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].text |
有很多時間差 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].start |
13953.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].end |
13955.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].text |
有很多時間這整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].start |
13955.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].end |
13957.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].text |
排列下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].start |
13957.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].end |
13959.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].text |
一直以來我們跟美國的貿易來談判的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].start |
13959.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].end |
13961.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].text |
在談這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].start |
13961.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].end |
13963.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].text |
農藥容許量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].start |
13963.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].end |
13965.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].text |
不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].start |
13965.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].end |
13967.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].text |
都不能符合美國的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].start |
13967.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].end |
13969.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].text |
美國一直要求我們要調整標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].start |
13969.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].end |
13971.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].text |
整個下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].start |
13971.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].end |
13973.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].text |
讓我們覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].start |
13973.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].end |
13975.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].text |
今天會調到3ppm是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].start |
13975.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].end |
13977.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].text |
要受到美國的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].start |
13977.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].end |
13979.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].text |
我希望這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].start |
13979.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].end |
13981.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].start |
13981.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].end |
13983.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].text |
我們回去再檢討一下 |
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13983.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].end |
13985.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].text |
你再拿給 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].start |
13985.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].end |
13987.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].text |
你們討論的數據給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].start |
13987.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].end |
13989.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].text |
跟委員特別報告 |
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13989.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].end |
13991.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].text |
我們整個算起來OECD的ADI |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].start |
13991.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].end |
13993.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].text |
目前是在30% |
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13993.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].end |
13995.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].text |
因為蘋果本身 |
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13995.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].end |
13997.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].text |
已經有173項農藥產量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].start |
13997.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].end |
13999.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].text |
農藥容許量 |
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13999.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].end |
14001.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].text |
已經173項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].start |
14001.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].end |
14003.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].text |
這項標準是基於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].start |
14003.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].end |
14005.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].text |
人民的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].start |
14005.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].end |
14007.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].text |
還是為了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].start |
14007.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].end |
14009.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].text |
還是為了要讓蘋果更容易過關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].start |
14010.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].end |
14012.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].text |
我想委員我們一定是以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].start |
14012.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].end |
14014.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].text |
風險分析出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].start |
14014.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].end |
14016.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].text |
評估出來的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].start |
14016.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].end |
14018.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].text |
食安的前提之下來做出來的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].start |
14018.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].end |
14020.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].text |
的一個觀點 |
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14020.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].end |
14022.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].start |
14022.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].end |
14024.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].text |
邱政軍委員的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].start |
14024.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].end |
14026.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].text |
接下來請王政旭委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].start |
14026.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].end |
14028.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].text |
王政旭委員諮詢後休息30分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].start |
14036.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].end |
14038.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].text |
好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].start |
14038.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].end |
14040.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].text |
我們還是麻煩 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].start |
14040.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].end |
14042.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].text |
石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].start |
14045.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].end |
14047.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].start |
14047.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].end |
14049.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].text |
真的大家對食安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].start |
14049.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].end |
14051.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].text |
真的非常非常的重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].start |
14051.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].end |
14053.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].text |
剛剛林書宏也提到HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].start |
14053.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].end |
14055.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].text |
目前HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].start |
14055.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].end |
14057.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].text |
是國際公認最好的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].start |
14057.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].end |
14059.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].text |
預防管理系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].start |
14059.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].end |
14061.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].text |
所以他很迎迎期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].start |
14061.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].end |
14063.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].text |
如何能夠真的落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].start |
14063.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].end |
14065.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].text |
而且讓民眾對食安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].start |
14065.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].end |
14067.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].text |
包括這個食安武藩整體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].start |
14067.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].end |
14069.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].text |
精進 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].start |
14069.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].end |
14071.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].text |
就麻煩行政系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].start |
14071.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].end |
14073.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].text |
務必要把這個部分能夠持續的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].start |
14073.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].end |
14075.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].text |
我們會再檢視這個HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].start |
14075.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].end |
14077.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].text |
的內涵 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].start |
14077.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].end |
14079.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].text |
因為他涉及到的這個食品業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].start |
14079.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].end |
14081.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].text |
樣態蠻多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].start |
14081.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].end |
14083.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].text |
我們會再針對油品的部分再去強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].start |
14083.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].end |
14085.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].text |
好那就麻煩部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].start |
14085.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].end |
14087.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].text |
我想我們今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].start |
14087.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].end |
14089.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].text |
有另外的主題就是從這個健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].start |
14089.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].end |
14091.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].text |
台灣的政策方向來出發 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].start |
14091.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].end |
14093.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].text |
有三個部分來跟部長討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].start |
14093.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].end |
14095.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].text |
第一個就是有關於這個慢性病 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].start |
14095.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].end |
14097.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].text |
的防治 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].start |
14097.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].end |
14099.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].text |
第二個就是有關於這個醫療品質監控 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].start |
14099.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].end |
14101.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].text |
包括醫療評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].start |
14101.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].end |
14103.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].text |
就是還是回到我常常 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].start |
14103.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].end |
14105.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].text |
希望能夠針對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].start |
14105.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].end |
14107.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].text |
癌症全程照護的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].start |
14107.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].end |
14109.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].text |
能夠有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].start |
14109.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].end |
14111.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].text |
好的制度改革的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].start |
14111.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].end |
14113.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].text |
第一部分就是慢性病防治 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].start |
14113.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].end |
14115.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].text |
的這個政策的法制化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].start |
14115.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].end |
14117.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].text |
跟永續推動的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].start |
14117.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].end |
14119.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].text |
我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].start |
14119.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].end |
14121.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].text |
衛福部這幾年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].start |
14121.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].end |
14123.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].text |
在這個疾病的預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].start |
14123.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].end |
14125.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].text |
醫療的照護以及公共衛生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].start |
14125.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].end |
14127.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].text |
政策上面的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].start |
14127.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].end |
14129.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].text |
根據這個114年國務院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].start |
14129.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].end |
14131.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].text |
的死因統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].start |
14131.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].end |
14133.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].text |
國務院標準化死亡率 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].start |
14133.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].end |
14135.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].text |
每10萬人口是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].start |
14135.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].end |
14137.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].text |
395.2人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].start |
14137.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].end |
14139.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].text |
所以說113年下降了3.7% |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].start |
14139.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].end |
14141.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].text |
而且是這個COVID |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].start |
14141.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].end |
14143.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].text |
疫情3年的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].start |
14143.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].end |
14145.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].text |
都有持續的下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].start |
14145.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].end |
14147.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].text |
代表說政府機關對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].start |
14147.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].end |
14149.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].text |
這些防治的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].start |
14149.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].end |
14151.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].text |
看到了一定的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].start |
14151.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].end |
14153.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].text |
可是我們也知道這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].start |
14153.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].end |
14155.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].text |
整體死亡率的下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].start |
14155.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].end |
14157.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].text |
我們還是得去瞭解它後續的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].start |
14157.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].end |
14159.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].text |
死因的結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].start |
14159.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].end |
14161.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].text |
它所反應出來的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].start |
14161.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].end |
14163.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].text |
那我們可以看到這個114年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].start |
14163.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].end |
14165.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].text |
這個國務院的十大死因裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].start |
14165.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].end |
14167.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].text |
扣除癌症以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].start |
14167.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].end |
14169.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].text |
至少有六項都是跟慢性疾病 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].start |
14169.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].end |
14171.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].text |
有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].start |
14171.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].end |
14173.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].text |
如果將癌症延遜 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].start |
14173.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].end |
14175.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].text |
廣義的這個非傳染性慢性病 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].start |
14175.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].end |
14177.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].text |
範疇的話呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].start |
14177.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].end |
14179.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].text |
這十大死因裡面就有七項跟慢性病 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].start |
14179.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].end |
14181.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].text |
是真的是很密切的相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].start |
14181.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].end |
14183.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].text |
所以我們面對的不只是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].start |
14183.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].end |
14185.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].text |
一個單一疾病的治療的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].start |
14185.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].end |
14187.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].text |
其實是人口高齡化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].start |
14187.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].end |
14189.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].text |
之下如果能夠長期的進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].start |
14189.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].end |
14191.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].text |
預防早期的發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].start |
14191.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].end |
14193.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].text |
來持續追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].start |
14193.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].end |
14195.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].text |
這個就是國家未來這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].start |
14195.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].end |
14197.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].text |
重要的治理的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].start |
14197.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].end |
14199.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].text |
那健康台灣的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].start |
14199.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].end |
14201.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].text |
我們也希望能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].start |
14201.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].end |
14203.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].text |
傷高防治888計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].start |
14203.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].end |
14205.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].text |
相信大家對這個已經都是耳熟能詳 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].start |
14205.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].end |
14207.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].text |
包括80%的病友 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].start |
14207.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].end |
14209.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].text |
要繞入照護網 |
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14209.07 |
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14211.07 |
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照護網裡面的80%的病友 |
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14211.07 |
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14213.07 |
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要獲得生活的習慣諮詢 |
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14213.07 |
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14215.07 |
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還有80%的病友的照 |
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14215.07 |
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14217.07 |
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病情要獲得控制 |
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14217.07 |
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14219.07 |
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這個都是目前 |
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14219.07 |
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14221.07 |
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積極在處理的部分 |
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14221.07 |
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14223.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].text |
那 |
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14222.67 |
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14224.67 |
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我們也相信這個是一個很正確的方向 |
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14224.67 |
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14226.67 |
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那如何能夠 |
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14228.67 |
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有沒有機會讓它法制化 |
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14228.67 |
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14230.67 |
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這個就是大家很關切的 |
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14230.67 |
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14232.67 |
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那國衛院在司徒院長 |
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14232.67 |
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14234.67 |
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還有許院長 |
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14234.67 |
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14236.67 |
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共同希望能夠 |
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14236.67 |
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14238.67 |
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有沒有辦法來速推慢性病防治法 |
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14238.67 |
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14240.67 |
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這樣的需求 |
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14240.67 |
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14242.67 |
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那如果我們訂了慢性病防治法的話 |
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14242.67 |
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14244.67 |
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第一個 |
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14244.67 |
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14246.67 |
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就可以提供法院的依據 |
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14246.67 |
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14248.67 |
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再過來就能夠確保 |
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14248.67 |
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14250.67 |
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政府來編列這個穩定的經費 |
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14250.67 |
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14252.67 |
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專注慢性病的預防 |
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14252.67 |
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14254.67 |
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同時把研究跟照護 |
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14254.67 |
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14256.67 |
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體系經過整合以後 |
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14256.67 |
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14258.67 |
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能夠針對剛所提到 |
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14258.67 |
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14260.67 |
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對國衛院這麼重要的死亡病因 |
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14260.67 |
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14262.67 |
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做很好的 |
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14262.67 |
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14264.67 |
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一些整合處理 |
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14264.67 |
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14266.67 |
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所以請教一下部長就是 |
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14266.67 |
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14268.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].text |
目前國衛院提出了這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].start |
14268.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].end |
14270.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].text |
這個慢性病防治法的建議以後 |
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14270.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].end |
14272.67 |
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衛福部有沒有進行相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].start |
14272.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].end |
14274.67 |
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評估或者是研議 |
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14274.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].end |
14276.67 |
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是哪一個單位在負責 |
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14276.67 |
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14278.67 |
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那進度有沒有進度 |
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14278.67 |
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14280.67 |
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那第二部分就是 |
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14280.67 |
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14282.67 |
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如果部長或者是 |
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14282.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].end |
14284.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].text |
也認同未來必要透過專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].start |
14284.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].end |
14286.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].text |
來建立慢性病防治法 |
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14286.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].end |
14288.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].text |
依據的話 |
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14288.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].end |
14290.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].text |
這個經費跟跨體系的整合 |
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14290.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].end |
14292.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].text |
機制怎麼來產出 |
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14292.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].end |
14294.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].text |
第三個部分如果說 |
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14294.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].end |
14296.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].text |
衛福部也支持朝法制化來方向推動 |
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14296.96 |
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14298.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].text |
那如果可以提出初步的 |
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14298.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].end |
14300.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].text |
研議方向跟時間的規劃 |
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14300.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].end |
14302.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].text |
包括什麼時候會請 |
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14302.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].end |
14304.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].text |
專家來進行 |
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14304.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].end |
14306.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].text |
會議或擴部會的討論 |
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14306.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].end |
14308.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].text |
這部分可不可以請部長說一些說明 |
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14308.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].end |
14310.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].text |
好謝謝委員對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].start |
14310.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].end |
14312.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].text |
議題非常的深入 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].start |
14312.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].end |
14314.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].text |
那麼確實這個慢性病 |
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14314.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].end |
14316.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].text |
那麼已經是 |
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14317.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].end |
14319.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].text |
我們每年的健保支出大概已經是七成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].start |
14319.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].end |
14321.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].text |
都是屬於NCD |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].start |
14321.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].end |
14323.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].text |
那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].start |
14323.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].end |
14325.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].text |
隨著這個高凝化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].start |
14325.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].end |
14327.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].text |
我們的數字統治65歲以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].start |
14327.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].end |
14329.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].text |
85%都有一個慢性病 |
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14329.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].end |
14331.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].text |
所以這個 |
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14331.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].end |
14333.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].text |
不論是在盛行率或者是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].start |
14333.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].end |
14335.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].text |
這個健康負荷 |
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14335.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].end |
14337.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].text |
或者是死亡 |
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14337.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].end |
14339.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].text |
這個死因這邊其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].start |
14339.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].end |
14341.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].text |
他都佔了很重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].start |
14341.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].end |
14343.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].text |
比例所以我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].start |
14343.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].end |
14345.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].text |
這個健康台灣總統的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].start |
14345.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].end |
14347.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].text |
這個健康台灣市政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].start |
14347.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].end |
14349.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].text |
警示下我們是結合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].start |
14349.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].end |
14351.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].text |
各項的資源一起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].start |
14351.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].end |
14353.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].text |
投入所以他不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].start |
14353.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].end |
14355.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].text |
只有在治療的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].start |
14355.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].end |
14357.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].text |
那麼更重視前端的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].start |
14357.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].end |
14359.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].text |
預防還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].start |
14359.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].end |
14361.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].text |
篩檢所以我們也擴大了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].start |
14361.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].end |
14363.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].text |
這個成人健檢的公費 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].start |
14363.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].end |
14365.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].text |
讓他下修到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].start |
14365.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].end |
14367.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].text |
30歲就開始有第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].start |
14367.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].end |
14369.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].text |
的成人健檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].start |
14369.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].end |
14371.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].text |
來提早發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].start |
14371.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].end |
14373.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].text |
有沒有這些慢性病的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].start |
14373.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].end |
14375.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].text |
風險因子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].start |
14375.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].end |
14377.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].text |
那麼包含這個三高 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].start |
14377.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].end |
14379.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].text |
或者是代謝症候群等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].start |
14379.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].end |
14381.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].text |
這些這個是希望提早發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].start |
14381.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].end |
14383.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].text |
那麼另外一個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].start |
14383.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].end |
14385.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].text |
這個生活習慣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].start |
14385.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].end |
14387.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].text |
或生活型態這個跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].start |
14387.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].end |
14389.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].text |
慢性病的貢獻度更高 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].start |
14389.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].end |
14391.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].text |
從國際上來看40到60% |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].start |
14391.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].end |
14393.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].text |
的慢性病的成因 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].start |
14393.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].end |
14395.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].text |
跟他的生活習慣是有關係的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].start |
14395.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].end |
14397.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].text |
那這裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].start |
14397.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].end |
14399.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].text |
又以這個 |
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14399.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].end |
14401.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].text |
營養跟運動 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].start |
14401.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].end |
14403.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].text |
有關聯性這個是很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].start |
14403.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].end |
14405.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].text |
這個活動還有營養以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].start |
14405.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].end |
14407.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].text |
這個危害物質的避免等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].start |
14407.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].end |
14409.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].text |
這一些所以我們現在也在推 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].start |
14409.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].end |
14411.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].text |
這個類似像所謂的社會處方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].start |
14411.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].end |
14413.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].text |
或者是lifestyle medicine |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].start |
14413.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].end |
14415.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].text |
去介入所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].start |
14415.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].end |
14417.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].text |
等於是說這個層面是很廣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].start |
14417.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].end |
14419.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].text |
所以我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].start |
14419.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].end |
14421.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].text |
當然如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].start |
14421.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].end |
14423.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].text |
主責我們當然現在有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].start |
14423.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].end |
14425.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].text |
把這個慢性病防治 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].start |
14425.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].end |
14427.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].text |
也在國健署裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].start |
14427.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].end |
14429.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].text |
有一個慢防組他當然是在 |
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主責這整個的這個 |
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政策上的推動或者是 |
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計畫的研擬 |
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等等那麼推動的時候 |
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當然我們各單位 |
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包含跨部會我們也跟運動部 |
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合作 |
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那麼跨私屬的合作 |
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那麼跨部門的合作 |
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中央地方的合作等等這個全面 |
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來推動那麼至於要不要 |
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有一個這個專法 |
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這個慢性病防治 |
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我們再來研究看看 |
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他的這個效益 |
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或者是立法上 |
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那麼能夠為我們現在 |
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在推動上解決什麼 |
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面臨的這個瓶頸 |
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我們再來研議 |
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我們也了解很多政策是可以持續的 |
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精進可是如果一個法局 |
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法人依據的話 |
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相信對整體的這些 |
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進步會更為確定 |
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穩定而且是明顯 |
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那就麻煩部長也能夠 |
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多了解那再過來就是有跟醫療 |
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平健制度的部分我們知道醫院 |
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平健是必要的 |
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因為只要一定的時間 |
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做平健的話不管是對於 |
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這個醫療品質或者是 |
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整個就醫的安全是有很大的 |
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保障可是呢我們 |
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也希望說在這個平健的過程 |
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裡面核心改革的 |
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一個重點就是能不能 |
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有效的在維持醫療 |
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品質的同時也能夠減輕 |
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醫護的負擔因為我們知道 |
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這個平健本身是需要 |
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很多的工作內涵 |
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那之前好像也有一些 |
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院長跟你們討論說 |
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第一線的護理人員對於 |
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繁重的這個平健文書作業 |
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壓力非常的大 |
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他們知道說明年要平健今年可能就走完了 |
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所以帶來 |
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的壓力真的非常的重 |
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部長也提到說希望有一些 |
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如果要把平健從 |
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四年改成六年的話 |
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同時又能夠要兼顧這個 |
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整個照護品質有一些 |
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這個輔導措施是希望能夠 |
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有同時提出來所以你 |
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那個時候有提出三個方向 |
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第一個就是在116年到 |
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117年之間會進行資訊 |
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系統的優化以及常態性 |
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的這個監測指標的示範 |
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再回來會建立日常化的品質 |
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監測系統收集各項 |
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指標的數據來 |
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並且根據醫院的表現來採取 |
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差異化的管理 |
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另外就是如何讓這個定義 |
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統一化的這個改革當 |
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做一個第一步避免在同一個 |
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指標不同的系統因為定義 |
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起義導致數據的不一致 |
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那目前很快 |
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時間很快就會又需要到 |
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平健的這個 |
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處理需求不曉得 |
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14585.95 |
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目前有沒有相關的進度可以讓大家 |
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可以比較安心 |
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跟委員說明確實 |
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第一個其實先 |
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最重要的就是因為平健 |
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的這個週期拉長了 |
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所以怎麼樣去透過 |
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這個持續性的監測 |
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去確保這些品質 |
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的這個穩定 |
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因此這個常態性監測指標 |
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這個是最重要 |
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這個指標的監測其實我們現在有好多 |
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個品質指標那麼各 |
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屍體也好或者是 |
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這個不同的品質指標 |
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系統可能他都有定義 |
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不相同的問題所以 |
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一跟三這個是 |
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最基本要先建立那麼 |
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在品質的指標 |
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定義的部分其實我還在 |
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這個健保署的時候 |
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就已經跟醫測會開始去對 |
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把國內的一些 |
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重要的品質指標開始去 |
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讓他的這個收集的 |
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定義一致那接著才是 |
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把這個 |
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這個篩選出來 |
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的品質指標納入這個 |
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14647.95 |
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常態性的監測系統裡面 |
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14649.95 |
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然後接下來下一步 |
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就是希望去輔導醫院 |
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變成自動化收集 |
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雖然你指標有系統可是還是 |
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要靠人工登打或收集的話 |
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還是會增加第一線 |
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人員的工作負荷 |
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所以第三個就是要讓他 |
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自動化收集 |
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那這樣也可以讓這些指標的 |
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正確性穩定性提高 |
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也降低第一線 |
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人員的這個工作負荷 |
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那目前的話呢 |
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一的部分那個系統現在是以 |
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這個跟健保能夠 |
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收集的先優先因為他已經 |
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建立一定的資訊化程度了 |
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那三個部分其實 |
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我的理解是 |
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已經差不多是完成的 |
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那再來就是這個 |
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醫院怎麼去輔導他這個 |
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自動化的收集 |
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那麼這個就會需要一點時間 |
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對現在以定義統一化 |
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我們看下一個 |
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可以看到就是其實台灣 |
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每一個醫療體系都有 |
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自己的作業系統 |
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這個作業系統不一樣的時候 |
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如何能夠讓他有 |
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定義統一化的 |
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這個實質內容 |
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14717.95 |
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我想二部資訊處理處長其實他 |
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很努力的在大家的 |
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支持下包括資料統一 |
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規則統一應用程式統一 |
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都有在逐步的落實 |
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當中可是我沒了解 |
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大型的醫學中心 |
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可能在處理上有他的 |
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優勢那如果是中型的 |
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或地區醫院配合起來 |
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可能在經費上 |
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會面臨到一些衝擊跟困境 |
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那這部份有沒有什麼樣的方案 |
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可以協助他們來進行 |
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未來醫院評鑑的時候 |
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如何能夠把這些資料做個 |
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好一個比較好的 |
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方法來得到 |
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您剛剛所提到的這些處理模式 |
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是謝謝委員 |
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14755.95 |
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第一個就是我們今年的目標 |
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是讓所有的醫學中心 |
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能夠達到這個 |
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資料能夠自由 |
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交換就是按照我們 |
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的方式 |
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我們也跟公研院合作 |
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開發了一個工具 |
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叫做firebox |
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它可以來做轉換 |
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14777.95 |
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這個是今年會把它完成 |
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14777.95 |
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我們也有一些補助款來協助 |
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14779.95 |
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明年開始我們一樣的 |
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往下推動到區議院 |
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到地區醫院我們也都會有一些 |
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預算來支持 |
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14789.95 |
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另外一個預算的支持 |
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是在健康台灣 |
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生根計畫 |
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14795.95 |
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生根計畫我們 |
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14797.95 |
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第一階段一年是60億 |
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這裡面有四大主題 |
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其中有一個就是智慧醫療 |
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來協助這個醫院 |
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14803.95 |
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14805.95 |
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把它的資訊可以做 |
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14807.95 |
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升級做轉型 |
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14809.95 |
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這個也納入在可使用的 |
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範圍裡面 |
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14813.95 |
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最後 |
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14815.95 |
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還是有關於 |
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14819.95 |
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癌症變成慢性變化以後 |
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14819.95 |
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14821.95 |
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對於這個癌症防治法 |
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修法的可行性 |
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14825.95 |
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因為我們知道當前的 |
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14827.95 |
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癌症防治法那個時候 |
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在23年前基本上 |
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就是希望能夠有好的篩檢 |
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14833.95 |
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透過好的治療 |
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14835.95 |
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讓整個癌症的 |
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14836.5 |
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14838.5 |
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治療結果可以得到很好的 |
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這個成果這些我們在初步 |
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已經達到這樣的目標 |
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再過來其實就是希望能夠 |
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有更多的社會協助心理支持 |
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跟就業支持各種不同 |
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的支持層面那我們也看到 |
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14852.5 |
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日本跟韓國其實在 |
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14852.5 |
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他們的這個 |
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14854.5 |
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法規之下都把它 |
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14858.5 |
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納入到他們這個 |
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該有的這些法條裡面 |
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台灣這方面相對就是 |
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14862.5 |
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希望有機會能夠 |
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14866.5 |
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往這方面來精進 |
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14866.5 |
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14868.5 |
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不管是在就業支持經濟 |
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14868.5 |
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14870.5 |
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照顧心理社區家庭的部分 |
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14870.5 |
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14872.5 |
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事實上都會牽涉到 |
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14872.5 |
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14874.5 |
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不同的部會所以才 |
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14874.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].end |
14876.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].text |
希望吳副部這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].start |
14876.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].end |
14878.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].text |
部長能不能夠也 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].start |
14878.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].end |
14880.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].text |
透過這個需求來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].start |
14880.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].end |
14882.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].text |
讓我們的癌症防治法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].start |
14882.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].end |
14884.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].text |
有得到在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].start |
14884.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].end |
14886.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].text |
修正的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].start |
14886.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].end |
14888.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].text |
其實這個癌症防治法是當年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].start |
14888.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].end |
14890.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].text |
總統擔任立委的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].start |
14890.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].end |
14892.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].text |
推動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].start |
14892.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].end |
14894.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].text |
這個有這個法讓我們固定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].start |
14894.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].end |
14896.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].text |
都會有國家的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].start |
14896.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].end |
14898.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].text |
癌症防治計畫所以都一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].start |
14898.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].end |
14900.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].text |
一起在推動 |
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14900.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].end |
14902.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].text |
編列相關的預算來支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].start |
14902.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].end |
14904.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].text |
那當然這個時間也久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].start |
14904.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].end |
14906.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].text |
現在對於這個整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].start |
14906.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].end |
14908.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].text |
癌症的防治或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].start |
14908.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].end |
14910.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].text |
癌友的照顧其實更 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].start |
14910.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].end |
14912.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].text |
全面性範圍已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].start |
14912.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].end |
14914.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].text |
更大了就像委員是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].start |
14914.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].end |
14916.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].text |
專家在你面前講是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].start |
14916.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].end |
14918.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].text |
班門弄斧在這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].start |
14918.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].end |
14920.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].text |
的支持面上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].start |
14920.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].end |
14922.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].text |
確實是目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].start |
14922.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].end |
14924.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].text |
癌症防治法並沒有完全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].start |
14924.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].end |
14926.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].text |
涵蓋那我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].start |
14926.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].end |
14928.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].text |
來研究一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].start |
14928.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].end |
14930.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].text |
那麼這個看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].start |
14930.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].end |
14932.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].text |
這個對於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].start |
14932.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].end |
14934.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].text |
癌症防治法的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].start |
14934.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].end |
14936.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].text |
看看這個有哪些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].start |
14936.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].end |
14938.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].text |
地方是我們覺得在 |
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14938.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].end |
14940.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].text |
推動上那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].start |
14940.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].end |
14942.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].text |
能夠借助這個修法能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].start |
14942.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].end |
14944.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].text |
做得這個更 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].start |
14944.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].end |
14946.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].text |
順暢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].start |
14946.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].end |
14948.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].text |
我們來請郭建署來研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].start |
14948.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].end |
14950.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].text |
研究一下他的修法的可行性 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].start |
14950.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].end |
14952.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].text |
好謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].start |
14952.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].end |
14954.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].start |
14955.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].end |
14957.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].text |
謝謝王政訊委的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].start |
14957.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].end |
14959.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].text |
現在休息30分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].start |
14985.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].end |
14987.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].start |
14988.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].end |
14989.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].text |
謝謝 |
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14991.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].end |
14992.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].start |
14992.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].end |
14994.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].start |
14997.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].end |
14999.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].start |
14999.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].end |
15001.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].text |
要詢問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].start |
15009.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].end |
15011.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].start |
15107.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].end |
15109.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].start |
15151 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].end |
15153 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].start |
15164.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].end |
15166.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].start |
15177.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].end |
15179.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].start |
15178.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].end |
15180.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].start |
15180.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].end |
15182.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].start |
15182.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].end |
15184.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].start |
15184.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].end |
15186.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].start |
15186.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].end |
15188.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].start |
15188.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].end |
15190.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].start |
15190.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].end |
15192.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].start |
15192.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].end |
15194.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].start |
15194.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].end |
15196.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].start |
15196.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].end |
15198.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].start |
15198.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].end |
15200.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].start |
15200.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].end |
15202.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].start |
15202.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].end |
15204.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].start |
15204.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].end |
15206.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].start |
15179.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].end |
15181.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].start |
15184.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].end |
15186.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].start |
15186.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].end |
15188.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].start |
15188.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].end |
15190.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].start |
15190.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].end |
15192.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].start |
15192.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].end |
15194.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].start |
15194.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].end |
15196.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].start |
15196.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].end |
15198.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].start |
15198.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].end |
15200.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].start |
15200.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].end |
15202.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].start |
15202.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].end |
15204.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].start |
15204.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].end |
15206.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].start |
15206.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].end |
15208.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].start |
15208.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].end |
15210.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].start |
15210.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].end |
15212.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].start |
15192.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].end |
15194.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].start |
15248.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].end |
15250.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].start |
15257.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].end |
15259.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].start |
15259.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].end |
15261.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].start |
15261.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].end |
15263.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].start |
15263.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].end |
15265.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].start |
15265.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].end |
15267.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].start |
15267.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].end |
15269.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].start |
15269.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].end |
15271.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].start |
15271.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].end |
15273.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].start |
15273.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].end |
15275.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].start |
15275.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].end |
15277.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].start |
15277.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].end |
15279.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].start |
15279.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].end |
15281.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].start |
15281.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].end |
15283.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].text |
謝謝主席 |
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15283.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].end |
15285.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].start |
15282.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].end |
15284.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].start |
15289.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].end |
15291.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].start |
15291.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].end |
15293.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].start |
15293.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].end |
15295.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].start |
15295.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].end |
15297.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].start |
15297.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].end |
15299.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].start |
15299.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].end |
15301.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].start |
15301.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].end |
15303.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].text |
謝謝主席 |
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15303.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].end |
15305.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].text |
謝謝主席 |
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15305.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].end |
15307.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].text |
謝謝主席 |
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15307.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].end |
15309.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].text |
謝謝主席 |
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15309.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].end |
15311.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].text |
謝謝主席 |
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15311.26 |
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15313.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].text |
謝謝主席 |
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15313.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].end |
15315.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].start |
15315.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].end |
15317.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].text |
謝謝主席 |
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15317.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].end |
15319.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].text |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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15618.98 |
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謝謝主席 |
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15620.98 |
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謝謝主席 |
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15622.98 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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15630.59 |
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謝謝主席 |
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15632.59 |
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謝謝主席 |
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15634.59 |
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謝謝主席 |
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15636.59 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5379].text |
謝謝主席 |
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15638.59 |
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謝謝主席 |
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15640.59 |
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謝謝主席 |
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15642.59 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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15648.59 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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15652.97 |
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15654.97 |
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謝謝主席 |
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15628.09 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝主席 |
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15642.09 |
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15644.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].text |
謝謝主席 |
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15644.09 |
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15646.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].text |
謝謝主席 |
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15646.09 |
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15648.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].text |
謝謝主席 |
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15648.09 |
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15650.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].text |
謝謝主席 |
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15650.09 |
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15652.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].text |
謝謝主席 |
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15652.09 |
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15654.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].text |
謝謝主席 |
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15654.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].end |
15656.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].text |
謝謝主席 |
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16748.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].end |
16750.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].text |
謝謝主席 |
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16750.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].end |
16752.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].start |
16752.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].end |
16754.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].text |
謝謝主席 |
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16754.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].end |
16756.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].start |
16756.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].end |
16758.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].start |
16758.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].end |
16760.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].start |
16761.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].end |
16763.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].text |
好,現在繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].start |
16763.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].end |
16765.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].text |
接下來請收清全委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].start |
16776.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].end |
16778.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].text |
好,謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].start |
16778.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].end |
16780.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].text |
我們請 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].start |
16780.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].end |
16782.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].text |
你說一下醫生,保證有睡覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].start |
16784.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].end |
16786.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].text |
我沒有在哭,沒啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].start |
16787.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].end |
16789.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].text |
我們國會院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].start |
16789.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].end |
16791.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].text |
好,請司徒院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].start |
16798.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].end |
16803.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].text |
我們看立法院的預算中心幫你們整理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].start |
16803.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].end |
16807.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].text |
對於你們國會院有很多意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].start |
16808.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].end |
16810.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].text |
我一個一個跟你問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].start |
16810.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].end |
16812.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].text |
你一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].start |
16811.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].end |
16813.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].text |
國會院的定位重疊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].start |
16815.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].end |
16817.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].text |
技術轉移 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].start |
16817.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].end |
16819.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].text |
授權收入 |
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16819.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].end |
16821.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].text |
績效 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].start |
16821.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].end |
16823.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].text |
有餘力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].start |
16822.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].end |
16824.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].start |
16824.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].end |
16828.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].text |
研究資源分配跟利益衝突 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].start |
16829.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].end |
16831.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].text |
黃飯的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].start |
16832.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].end |
16834.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].text |
第三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].start |
16834.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].end |
16836.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].text |
國會院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].start |
16835.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].end |
16837.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].text |
政策自庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].start |
16837.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].end |
16843.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].text |
跟急慢性傳染病防治的實質影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].start |
16843.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].end |
16845.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].text |
來,讓你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].start |
16845.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].end |
16847.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].start |
16847.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].end |
16851.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].text |
我想國會院從民國85年原略成立到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].start |
16851.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].end |
16853.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].text |
今年剛好滿30年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].start |
16853.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].end |
16856.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].text |
那他的任務目標其實非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].start |
16856.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].end |
16860.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].text |
就是怎麼樣來增進國人的健康跟福祉 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].start |
16860.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].end |
16863.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].text |
那我們有三個重要的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].start |
16863.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].end |
16867.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].text |
第一個目標是針對國人重要的疾病 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].start |
16867.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].end |
16872.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].text |
我們來做深入長期而且系統性的分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].start |
16872.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].end |
16874.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].text |
來找出防治的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].start |
16874.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].end |
16876.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].text |
這是我們第一個目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].start |
16876.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].end |
16879.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].text |
第二個目標是用實證科學基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].start |
16879.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].end |
16883.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].text |
來提供政府在醫藥衛生跟公共衛生 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].start |
16883.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].end |
16887.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].text |
施政政策的一個參考的依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].start |
16887.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].end |
16892.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].text |
第三個目標才是我們真正對國內的生技產業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].start |
16892.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].end |
16894.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].text |
對接跟推廣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].start |
16894.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].end |
16896.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].text |
所以從這三大目標來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].start |
16896.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].end |
16898.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].text |
第一個目標跟第二個目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].start |
16898.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].end |
16901.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].text |
原則上它跟產業的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].start |
16901.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].end |
16904.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].text |
它不是賺錢為目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].start |
16904.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].end |
16906.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].text |
所以先跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].start |
16906.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].end |
16907.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].text |
我們所有的預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].start |
16907.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].end |
16910.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].text |
前面的第一個目標跟第二個目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].start |
16910.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].end |
16912.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].text |
是以保護國人的健康為主 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].start |
16912.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].end |
16915.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].text |
那跟委員舉幾個重要的例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].start |
16915.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].end |
16917.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].text |
我們在20幾年前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].start |
16917.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].end |
16921.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].text |
國人的這個抗生素濫用的這個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].start |
16921.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].end |
16925.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].text |
是國衛院透過系統性長期的追蹤跟分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].start |
16925.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].end |
16928.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].text |
找出它的分子留病的這整個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].start |
16928.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].end |
16932.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].text |
然後制定抗生素使用的一個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].start |
16932.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].end |
16936.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].text |
每一年可以幫國家省10到12億 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].start |
16936.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].end |
16938.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].text |
所以我們即使沒有賺錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].start |
16938.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].end |
16941.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].text |
但是幫國人的健康把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].start |
16941.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].end |
16944.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].text |
你可能要把近五年研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].start |
16945.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].end |
16949.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].text |
的預算對比授權收入效益的比 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].start |
16949.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].end |
16952.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].text |
那一些不符合效益的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].start |
16952.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].end |
16954.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].text |
不符合效益的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].start |
16954.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].end |
16956.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].text |
如何退場的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].start |
16956.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].end |
16958.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].text |
不可乎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].start |
16958.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].end |
16960.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].text |
這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].start |
16960.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].end |
16964.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].text |
然後再來就是利益衝突的申報流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].start |
16964.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].end |
16968.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].text |
企業顧問跟持股勾積緩緩 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].start |
16968.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].end |
16969.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].text |
經費集中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].start |
16969.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].end |
16972.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].text |
過度集中專案等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].start |
16973.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].end |
16975.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].text |
另外一個說明沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].start |
16975.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].end |
16978.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].text |
謝謝委員的這個指導 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].start |
16978.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].end |
16983.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].text |
那我想國衛院的針對我們所謂的整合性的院外計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].start |
16983.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].end |
16986.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].text |
每一年的額度大概是2億4千萬左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].start |
16986.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].end |
16992.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].text |
那這2億4千萬是完全透過公平公開的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].start |
16992.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].end |
16998.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].text |
針對全台灣所有的大學跟研究機構的研究人員可以來申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].start |
16998.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].end |
17000.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].text |
整個過程是非常公開透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].start |
17000.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].end |
17002.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].text |
那它審查的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].start |
17002.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].end |
17004.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].text |
為了避免國內的這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].start |
17004.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].end |
17008.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].text |
尤其這些比較研究型的大學 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].start |
17008.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].end |
17010.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].text |
它掌握的這個研發能量比較強 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].start |
17010.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].end |
17012.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].text |
所以我們的審查委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].start |
17012.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].end |
17016.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].text |
每一年會聘請超過70個審查委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].start |
17016.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].end |
17019.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].text |
而且70%是由國外來聘請 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].start |
17019.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].end |
17022.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].text |
就是為了避免在審查的過程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].start |
17022.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].end |
17028.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].text |
有這種所謂的不同的機構之間的這些可能的衝突 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].start |
17028.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].end |
17033.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].text |
你把那些效益的報告給我好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].start |
17033.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].end |
17035.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].text |
因為這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].start |
17035.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].end |
17038.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].text |
非常用心的人提供的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].start |
17038.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].end |
17041.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].text |
所以我要好好的來研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].start |
17041.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].end |
17046.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].text |
那研究人員若兼任私人生計企業的顧問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].start |
17046.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].end |
17050.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].text |
或在私人的企業有相關的股權 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].start |
17052.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].end |
17054.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].text |
國衛院如何進行防範 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].start |
17054.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].end |
17058.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].text |
是 我們院裡面其實在15年前就制定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].start |
17058.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].end |
17061.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].text |
我們院裡面的這個利益衝突相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].start |
17061.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].end |
17063.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].text |
迴避的辦法跟它的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].start |
17063.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].end |
17065.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].text |
有都有在集合嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].start |
17065.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].end |
17067.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].text |
有 我們第一次合作集合 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].start |
17067.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].end |
17069.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].text |
現在如果發生這種事情是很嚴重了喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].start |
17071 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].end |
17073 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].text |
那我們每一位的研究人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].start |
17073 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].end |
17077 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].text |
如果要擔任真的是外面業界的這個科學顧問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].start |
17077 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].end |
17079 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].text |
他一定要呈報院裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].start |
17079 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].end |
17084 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].text |
那我們會有一個專案小組來做客觀跟公平的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].start |
17084 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].end |
17087 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].text |
那我們國家衛生政策的智庫定位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].start |
17087 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].end |
17093 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].text |
跟重大防疫研發落地轉化效率怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].start |
17093 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].end |
17095 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].text |
好 跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].start |
17095 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].end |
17096 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].text |
我就拿這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].start |
17096 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].end |
17101 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].text |
我們在1998年這個長病毒在台灣大流行的這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].start |
17101 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].end |
17104 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].text |
那政府決定要國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].start |
17104 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].end |
17108 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].text |
我們自己國家來製造這長病毒70疫情的疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].start |
17108 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].end |
17114 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].text |
那這個一開始也是由國衛院的這個荷曼的合院士 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].start |
17114 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].end |
17119 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].text |
分離出來長病毒的那個致病的致死率最高的那個病毒株 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].start |
17119 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].end |
17125 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].text |
然後初步是由當初的衛生署的這個疾病管制局 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].start |
17125 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].end |
17128 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].text |
做了初步的這個疫苗開發的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].start |
17128 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].end |
17131 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].text |
那接下來就是由國衛院接棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].start |
17131 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].end |
17134 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].text |
整個在PITGNP的產線 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].start |
17134 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].end |
17136 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].text |
做完所有的製程的開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].start |
17136 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].end |
17139 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].text |
甚至我們了解到國內的業界 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].start |
17139 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].end |
17142 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].text |
沒有後續做這些動物攻毒實驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].start |
17142 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].end |
17146 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].text |
因為他需要很多基因改造的老鼠來做測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].start |
17146 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].end |
17151 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].text |
我也很關心你們在做疫苗好幾陣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].start |
17151 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].end |
17157 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].text |
你們做出來的量也不是沒辦法跟商業沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].start |
17157 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].end |
17160 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].text |
所以這點可能你也要注意一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].start |
17161.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].end |
17163.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].text |
請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].start |
17163.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].end |
17166.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].text |
行政院食安辦公室許主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].start |
17167.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].end |
17169.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].text |
部長好睡了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].start |
17169.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].end |
17171.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].text |
我要叫他了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].start |
17174.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].end |
17179.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].text |
今天早上講有啦講講講講那個榮耀講了很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].start |
17179.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].end |
17184.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].text |
我請問你那個分普尼上次在講分普尼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].start |
17184.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].end |
17187.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].text |
這個是什麼分普林 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].start |
17187.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].end |
17189.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].text |
部長我拜託你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].start |
17189.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].end |
17191.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].text |
你這個翻譯要找那靠地區的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].start |
17191.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].end |
17195.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].text |
不然找到中文系的來搭配 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].start |
17195.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].end |
17199.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].text |
黑白翻譯都亂七八糟 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].start |
17199.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].end |
17201.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].text |
亂七八糟差太多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].start |
17202.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].end |
17204.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].text |
分普尼就是在雞蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].start |
17204.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].end |
17206.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].text |
雞色起雞 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].start |
17207.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].end |
17209.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].text |
一直在裝裝的就怕有傳染病 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].start |
17209.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].end |
17213.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].text |
所以那些東西去汙染到雞蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].start |
17213.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].end |
17215.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].text |
所以雞蛋出問題是這樣來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].start |
17215.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].end |
17218.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].text |
我們這件在講的是在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].start |
17219.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].end |
17221.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].text |
分普林 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].start |
17221.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].end |
17223.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].text |
飛撲帕斯特林 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].start |
17223.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].end |
17225.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].text |
這這這 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].start |
17226.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].end |
17230.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].text |
那這一次的出問題是我們從0.5ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].start |
17230.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].end |
17232.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].text |
直接調到3.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].start |
17232.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].end |
17234.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].text |
那在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].start |
17236.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].end |
17238.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].text |
Cortex |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].start |
17238.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].end |
17240.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].text |
歐洲的法典委員會是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].start |
17240.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].end |
17242.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].text |
2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].start |
17241.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].end |
17243.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].text |
日本也是2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].start |
17243.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].end |
17245.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].text |
2.0ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].start |
17245.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].end |
17247.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].text |
那一半是2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].start |
17248 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].end |
17250 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].text |
那Hungolt 3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].start |
17250 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].end |
17252 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].text |
那我們這次從0.5一加調到3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].start |
17253.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].end |
17255.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].text |
大家都覺得是受美國的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].start |
17256.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].end |
17258.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].text |
是不是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].start |
17258.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].end |
17260.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].text |
應該沒有這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].start |
17260.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].end |
17262.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].text |
據我所知到食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].start |
17262.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].end |
17264.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].text |
跟韓國看齊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].start |
17264.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].end |
17266.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].text |
像美國低頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].start |
17265.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].end |
17267.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].text |
美國是5那你乾脆調到5好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].start |
17267.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].end |
17269.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].text |
不是更更更貼切 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].start |
17270.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].end |
17272.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].text |
有沒有這回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].start |
17272.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].end |
17274.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].text |
沒有應該是據我所知到食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].start |
17274.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].end |
17276.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].text |
都是經過科學評估之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].start |
17276.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].end |
17278.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].text |
然後才去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].start |
17278.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].end |
17280.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].text |
然後經過相關委員討論之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].start |
17283.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].end |
17285.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].text |
才會定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].start |
17285.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].end |
17287.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].text |
然後他會全盤考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].start |
17287.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].end |
17289.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].text |
因為不是只有蘋果這個項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].start |
17289.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].end |
17291.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].text |
可能還有其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].start |
17291.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].end |
17293.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].text |
作物全部要納進來看他總共的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].start |
17293.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].end |
17295.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].text |
暴露量 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].start |
17295.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].end |
17297.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].text |
蝶米啦蔬菜啦什麼都有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].start |
17297.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].end |
17299.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].text |
美國過來草莓啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].start |
17299.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].end |
17301.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].text |
萊仔有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].start |
17301.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].end |
17303.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].text |
澎哥也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].start |
17303.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].end |
17305.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].text |
像櫻桃就比較下修 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].start |
17305.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].end |
17307.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].text |
這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].start |
17307.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].end |
17309.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].text |
那你草莓是1.0多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].start |
17309.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].end |
17311.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].text |
2.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].start |
17310.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].end |
17312.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].text |
2.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].start |
17311.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].end |
17313.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].text |
2.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].start |
17313.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].end |
17315.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].text |
草莓是2嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].start |
17315.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].end |
17317.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].text |
那你為什麼蘋果會用3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].start |
17319.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].end |
17321.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].text |
你為什麼媽做給你偷東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].start |
17322.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].end |
17324.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].text |
跟委員這邊報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].start |
17324.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].end |
17326.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].text |
因為每個我們會進入他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].start |
17326.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].end |
17328.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].text |
農業事件叫GAP裡面的農場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].start |
17328.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].end |
17330.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].text |
26場面有符合GAP的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].start |
17330.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].end |
17332.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].text |
叫Good Agricultural |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].start |
17332.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].end |
17334.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].text |
Practice的數據裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].start |
17334.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].end |
17336.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].text |
可信可用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].start |
17336.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].end |
17338.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].text |
才能夠進入我們的OECD的計算公式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].start |
17338.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].end |
17340.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].text |
套用我們國內的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].start |
17340.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].end |
17342.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].text |
以此的設施量 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].start |
17342.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].end |
17344.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].text |
去計算完之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].start |
17344.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].end |
17346.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].text |
我們申請他們是申請我們覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].start |
17346.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].end |
17348.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].text |
看完之後的數據其實是在3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].start |
17348.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].end |
17350.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].text |
所以才會定在3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].start |
17350.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].end |
17352.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].text |
從早上聽到現在都說專家專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].start |
17352.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].end |
17354.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].text |
專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].start |
17354.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].end |
17356.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].text |
澳洲法典委員會就說2.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].start |
17356.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].end |
17358.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].text |
你就結局你就變3.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].start |
17358.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].end |
17360.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].text |
大家感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].start |
17360.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].end |
17362.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].text |
很虛聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].start |
17362.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].end |
17364.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].text |
我也覺得很虛聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].start |
17364.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].end |
17366.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].text |
然後2.0也有3.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].start |
17366.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].end |
17368.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].text |
澳洲法典委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].start |
17368.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].end |
17370.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].text |
因為這是非常老的藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].start |
17370.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].end |
17372.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].text |
大概是民國60幾年台灣就已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].start |
17372.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].end |
17374.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].text |
合了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].start |
17374.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].end |
17376.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].text |
那是農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].start |
17376.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].end |
17378.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].text |
非常老的農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].start |
17378.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].end |
17380.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].text |
所以很早很早就合完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].start |
17380.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].end |
17382.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].text |
我們在88年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].start |
17382.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].end |
17384.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].text |
已經定在離果類 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].start |
17384.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].end |
17386.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].text |
因為離果類其實範圍很寬很廣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].start |
17386.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].end |
17388.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].text |
對於個別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].start |
17388.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].end |
17390.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].text |
飲食的水果裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].start |
17390.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].end |
17392.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].text |
其實為了更精準的去對每個水果裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].start |
17392.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].end |
17394.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].text |
對應出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].start |
17394.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].end |
17396.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].text |
所以才會在後續的提出申請之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].start |
17396.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].end |
17398.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].text |
經過評估調整出來的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].start |
17398.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].end |
17400.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].text |
大概簡單說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].start |
17400.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].end |
17402.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].text |
所以你現在離果類改成3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].start |
17401.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].end |
17403.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].text |
2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].start |
17402.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].end |
17404.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].text |
各項裡面蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].start |
17404.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].end |
17406.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].text |
改成是3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].start |
17406.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].end |
17408.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].text |
舉個例子我們這邊說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].start |
17408.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].end |
17410.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].text |
蘋果是3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].start |
17410.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].end |
17412.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].text |
桃子是1.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].start |
17412.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].end |
17414.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].text |
油桃是1.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].start |
17414.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].end |
17416.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].text |
葡萄柚是0.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].start |
17416.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].end |
17418.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].text |
柳橙是2.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].start |
17418.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].end |
17420.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].text |
所以每個都有算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].start |
17420.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].end |
17422.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].text |
對於櫻桃本來是定在5的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].start |
17422.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].end |
17424.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].text |
我們重新去計算送上來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].start |
17424.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].end |
17426.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].text |
算起來應該是可以更嚴格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].start |
17426.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].end |
17428.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].text |
我們就把它調下來變成3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].start |
17428.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].end |
17430.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].text |
所以5也有調成3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].start |
17430.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].end |
17432.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].text |
所有都放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].start |
17432.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].end |
17434.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].text |
櫻桃就是更嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].start |
17434.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].end |
17436.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].text |
那我們也收到一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].start |
17436.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].end |
17438.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].text |
櫻桃不下皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].start |
17439.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].end |
17441.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].text |
你澎哥又在下皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].start |
17441.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].end |
17443.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].text |
賴仔又在下皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].start |
17443.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].end |
17445.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].text |
所以你的櫻桃、草莓 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].start |
17445.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].end |
17447.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].text |
那是很可怕你如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].start |
17447.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].end |
17449.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].text |
有殘餘的榮耀那是一架 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].start |
17449.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].end |
17451.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].text |
洗一洗就吃下去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].start |
17451.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].end |
17453.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].text |
蘋果其實我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].start |
17453.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].end |
17455.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].text |
去測的時候的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].start |
17455.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].end |
17457.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].text |
也是整顆在測的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].start |
17457.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].end |
17459.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].text |
不是說把它削皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].start |
17459.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].end |
17461.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].text |
如果真的國人有擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].start |
17461.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].end |
17463.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].text |
沒有啦我說我們吃的習慣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].start |
17463.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].end |
17465.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].text |
我講的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].start |
17465.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].end |
17467.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].text |
你只聽美工說美工人不怕死的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].start |
17467.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].end |
17469.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].text |
都不會吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].start |
17469.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].end |
17471.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].text |
整個櫻桃都吃皮了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].start |
17472.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].end |
17474.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].text |
你講的跟我一樣下皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].start |
17474.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].end |
17476.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].text |
每天一顆蘋果今天忘了帶來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].start |
17477.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].end |
17479.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].text |
好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].start |
17478.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].end |
17480.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].start |
17479.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].end |
17481.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].text |
嚴格的evaluation一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].start |
17481.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].end |
17483.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].text |
不要讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].start |
17485.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].end |
17487.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].text |
國人百姓會擔憂 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].start |
17487.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].end |
17489.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].text |
當然是會擔憂啊你一下子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].start |
17489.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].end |
17491.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].text |
從那麼低0.5一下跳到3.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].start |
17491.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].end |
17493.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].text |
我第一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].start |
17493.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].end |
17495.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].text |
你會不會直接跳5.0跟美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].start |
17495.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].end |
17497.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].text |
切齊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].start |
17497.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].end |
17499.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].text |
那不是更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].start |
17498.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].end |
17500.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].text |
對美國有交代 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].start |
17500.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].end |
17502.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].text |
跟委員特別報告一下 |
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17502.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].end |
17504.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].text |
因為這個定的標準 |
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17504.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].end |
17506.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].text |
是我們的管制標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].start |
17506.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].end |
17508.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].text |
其實在田間試驗我們邊境裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].start |
17508.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].end |
17510.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].text |
看到的確是一直都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].start |
17510.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].end |
17512.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].text |
合格的相對是更低的 |
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17512.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].end |
17514.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].text |
所以我們的標準並不會改變進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].start |
17514.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].end |
17516.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].text |
台灣的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].start |
17516.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].end |
17518.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].text |
我想這部分也特別跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].start |
17518.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].end |
17520.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].text |
委員部進一步的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].start |
17521.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].end |
17523.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].start |
17524.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].end |
17526.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].text |
謝謝蘇勛全委的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].start |
17526.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].end |
17528.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].text |
接下來請圖權及委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].start |
17540.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].end |
17542.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].text |
好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].start |
17542.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].end |
17544.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].text |
麻煩我們時部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].start |
17547.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].end |
17549.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].text |
圖委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].start |
17565.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].end |
17567.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].text |
要設實驗室嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].start |
17567.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].end |
17569.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].text |
然後至少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].start |
17569.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].end |
17571.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].text |
每半年要做一次檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].start |
17571.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].end |
17573.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].text |
然後訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].start |
17573.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].end |
17575.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].text |
食品安全監測計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].start |
17575.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].end |
17577.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].text |
因為我有看這個實驗法上面的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].start |
17577.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].end |
17579.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].text |
我們現在是公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].start |
17579.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].end |
17581.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].text |
1億元以上的是要自設 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].start |
17581.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].end |
17583.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].text |
然後3000萬以上的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].start |
17583.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].end |
17585.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].text |
他就要檢驗是沒有錯 |
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17585.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].end |
17587.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].text |
所以3000萬至少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].start |
17587.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].end |
17589.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].text |
半年一定要檢驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].start |
17589.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].end |
17591.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].text |
然後送交這個檢驗報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].start |
17591.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].end |
17593.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].start |
17593.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].end |
17595.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].text |
所以我們當然我們有三道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].start |
17595.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].end |
17597.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].text |
關卡第一道就是自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].start |
17597.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].end |
17599.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].text |
檢驗第二道就是外部檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].start |
17599.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].end |
17601.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].text |
第三道才到我們後市場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].start |
17601.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].end |
17603.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].text |
查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].start |
17603.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].end |
17605.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].text |
那我也想了解一下上次 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].start |
17605.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].end |
17607.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].text |
我們質詢完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].start |
17607.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].end |
17609.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].text |
也有跟衛福部來所知 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].start |
17609.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].end |
17611.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].text |
就是說針對我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].start |
17611.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].end |
17613.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].text |
像 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].start |
17612.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].end |
17614.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].text |
中年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].start |
17614.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].end |
17616.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].text |
中年有止 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].start |
17616.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].end |
17618.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].text |
那我請問一下他這個外部檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].start |
17618.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].end |
17620.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].text |
自主檢驗到底有沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].start |
17619.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].end |
17621.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].text |
哦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].start |
17620.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].end |
17622.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].text |
他的自主檢驗報告是有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].start |
17622.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].end |
17624.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].start |
17624.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].end |
17626.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].text |
跟委員報告他都是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].start |
17626.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].end |
17628.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].text |
他自主檢驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].start |
17628.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].end |
17630.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].text |
報告是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].start |
17630.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].end |
17632.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].text |
那我們自己的外部查驗不是半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].start |
17632.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].end |
17634.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].text |
要做一次嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].start |
17634.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].end |
17636.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].text |
但是我們現在外部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].start |
17636.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].end |
17638.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].text |
外部的那個是後市場稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].start |
17638.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].end |
17640.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].text |
另外一個就是第三方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].start |
17640.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].end |
17642.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].text |
的驗證是HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].start |
17642.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].end |
17644.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].text |
的驗證單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].start |
17644.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].end |
17646.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].text |
會去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].start |
17646.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].end |
17648.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].text |
那為什麼我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].start |
17648.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].end |
17650.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].text |
就看這個報告這個資料一直看不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].start |
17650.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].end |
17652.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].text |
他有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].start |
17652.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].end |
17654.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].text |
應該是這樣子講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].start |
17654.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].end |
17656.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].text |
他自己的實驗室沒有驗BAP這一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].start |
17656.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].end |
17658.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].text |
所以他的BAP |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].start |
17658.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].end |
17660.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].text |
是外送檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].start |
17660.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].end |
17662.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].text |
所以他等於也是外送檢驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].start |
17663.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].end |
17665.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].text |
所以難怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].start |
17665.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].end |
17667.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].text |
重點我們沒有監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].start |
17667.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].end |
17669.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].text |
我們並沒有看到他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].start |
17669.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].end |
17671.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].text |
檢驗的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].start |
17671.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].end |
17673.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].text |
一直跟衛福部要這資料就沒有拿到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].start |
17673.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].end |
17675.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].text |
檢驗報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].start |
17675.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].end |
17677.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].text |
是我們可以提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].start |
17677.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].end |
17679.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].text |
因為我們有跟他要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].start |
17679.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].end |
17681.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].text |
檢驗報告是目前並沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].start |
17681.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].end |
17683.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].text |
要求所有都上傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].start |
17683.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].end |
17685.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].text |
就是檢驗報告是流場備查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].start |
17685.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].end |
17687.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].text |
就是我們這個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].start |
17687.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].end |
17689.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].text |
主管機關去稽查的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].start |
17689.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].end |
17691.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].text |
要查閱他這些報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].start |
17691.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].end |
17693.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].text |
因為看食安法這規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].start |
17693.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].end |
17695.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].text |
半年至少半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].start |
17695.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].end |
17697.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].text |
要做一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].start |
17697.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].end |
17699.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].text |
那我們就沒有看到他這檢驗的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].start |
17699.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].end |
17701.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].text |
所以是不是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].start |
17701.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].end |
17703.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].text |
依法他也要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].start |
17703.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].end |
17705.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].text |
是要公開他的報告結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].start |
17705.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].end |
17707.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].text |
那這個也不是什麼機密 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].start |
17707.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].end |
17709.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].text |
為什麼要這資料一直拿不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].start |
17709.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].end |
17711.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].text |
有沒有提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].start |
17711.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].end |
17713.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].text |
委員在所知有沒有提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].start |
17713.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].end |
17715.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].text |
我們在提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].start |
17715.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].end |
17717.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].text |
從上次質詢完第二天就開始要這資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].start |
17717.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].end |
17719.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].text |
一直就要不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].start |
17719.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].end |
17721.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].text |
我們等下馬上送過去給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].start |
17721.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].end |
17723.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].text |
因為我想說你這個本來食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].start |
17723.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].end |
17725.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].text |
就規定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].start |
17725.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].end |
17727.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].text |
半年至少要做一次這個檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].start |
17727.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].end |
17729.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].text |
他的報告內容都 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].start |
17729.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].end |
17731.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].text |
他的報告的檢驗結果都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].start |
17731.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].end |
17733.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].text |
合標啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].start |
17733.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].end |
17735.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].text |
這個是我們的質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].start |
17735.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].end |
17737.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].text |
所以我們衛福部針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].start |
17737.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].end |
17739.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].text |
中聯福壽福茂太山 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].start |
17739.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].end |
17741.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].text |
南橋這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].start |
17741.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].end |
17743.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].text |
我們都半年都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].start |
17743.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].end |
17745.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].text |
按照規定去檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].start |
17745.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].end |
17747.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].text |
然後都有他檢驗報告嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].start |
17747.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].end |
17749.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].text |
這一次都有去查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].start |
17749.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].end |
17751.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].text |
查的話他們都有按規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].start |
17751.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].end |
17753.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].text |
有的他甚至是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].start |
17753.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].end |
17755.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].text |
一劑檢驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].start |
17755.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].end |
17757.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].text |
因為我們這裡是半年至少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].start |
17757.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].end |
17759.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].text |
所以也有一劑檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].start |
17759.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].end |
17761.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].text |
所以重點都一直有按照 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].start |
17761.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].end |
17763.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].text |
這個規定的時間去查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].start |
17763.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].end |
17765.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].text |
都有這查驗報告有時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].start |
17765.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].end |
17767.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].text |
有檢驗報告嗎什麼時候去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].start |
17767.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].end |
17769.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].text |
最少半年要一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].start |
17769.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].end |
17771.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].text |
有沒有這個數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].start |
17771.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].end |
17773.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].text |
因為一直認為說要不出資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].start |
17773.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].end |
17775.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].text |
到底有沒有按照規定去查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].start |
17775.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].end |
17777.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].text |
這個是這樣這一些都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].start |
17777.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].end |
17779.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].text |
他要按照這個自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].start |
17779.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].end |
17781.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].text |
檢驗的一部分自主檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].start |
17781.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].end |
17783.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].text |
要驗然後他的報告要留存 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].start |
17783.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].end |
17785.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].text |
然後地方去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].start |
17785.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].end |
17787.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].text |
查場的時候他就要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].start |
17787.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].end |
17789.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].text |
提供這些資料讓他查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].start |
17789.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].end |
17791.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].text |
他的概念是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].start |
17819.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].end |
17821.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].text |
今天也有建立我們食品追溯 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].start |
17821.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].end |
17823.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].text |
追蹤系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].start |
17823.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].end |
17825.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].text |
這個管理嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].start |
17825.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].end |
17827.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].text |
對有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].start |
17826.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].end |
17828.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].text |
那為什麼我們上去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].start |
17828.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].end |
17830.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].text |
那福壽 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].start |
17830.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].end |
17832.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].text |
只有上傳到去年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].start |
17832.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].end |
17834.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].text |
七月然後從七月以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].start |
17834.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].end |
17836.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].text |
一直到今年都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].start |
17836.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].end |
17838.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].text |
上傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].start |
17838.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].end |
17840.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].text |
泰山泰山更離譜 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].start |
17840.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].end |
17842.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].text |
上傳到2021 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].start |
17842.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].end |
17844.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].text |
2021年的1月 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].start |
17844.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].end |
17846.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].text |
就沒有再上傳所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].start |
17846.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].end |
17848.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].text |
這個業者這個資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].start |
17848.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].end |
17850.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].text |
你們自己建立這個管理系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].start |
17850.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].end |
17852.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].text |
他們都沒有按照規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].start |
17852.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].end |
17854.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].text |
上傳你沒有監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].start |
17854.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].end |
17856.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].text |
也都沒有去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].start |
17856.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].end |
17858.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].text |
難道沒有監督也沒有任何處理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].start |
17858.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].end |
17860.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].text |
那你訂定這個管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].start |
17860.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].end |
17862.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].text |
辦法管理系統什麼意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].start |
17862.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].end |
17864.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].text |
然後我們監督單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].start |
17864.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].end |
17866.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].text |
他們沒有上傳你們也沒去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].start |
17866.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].end |
17868.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].text |
處理然後等到事情爆發 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].start |
17868.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].end |
17870.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].text |
之後才發現都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].start |
17870.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].end |
17872.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].text |
按照規定來辦沒有按照規定去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].start |
17872.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].end |
17874.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].text |
查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].start |
17875.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].end |
17877.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].text |
我們是不是再跟委員確認一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].start |
17877.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].end |
17879.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].text |
因為我們同仁查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].start |
17879.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].end |
17881.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].text |
是都有所以是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].start |
17881.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].end |
17883.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].text |
在那個我們都有上網去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].start |
17887.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].end |
17889.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].text |
來跟委員說明一下那個系統在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].start |
17891.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].end |
17893.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].text |
是跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].start |
17893.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].end |
17895.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].text |
那這一些東西都是會在我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].start |
17895.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].end |
17897.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].text |
非最不可的平台裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].start |
17897.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].end |
17899.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].text |
那這個部分的話如果委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].start |
17899.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].end |
17901.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].text |
秀的是這個圖示的話應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].start |
17901.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].end |
17903.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].text |
在我們另外一個公開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].start |
17903.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].end |
17905.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].text |
平台應該是不一樣的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].start |
17905.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].end |
17907.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].start |
17906.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].end |
17908.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].text |
所以我這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].start |
17908.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].end |
17910.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].text |
我希望我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].start |
17910.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].end |
17912.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].text |
因為我們要這資料要這麼久 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].start |
17912.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].end |
17914.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].text |
都沒拿到我們上去查也沒查到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].start |
17914.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].end |
17916.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].text |
那你這個本來就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].start |
17916.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].end |
17918.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].text |
公開的系統就是要讓民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].start |
17918.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].end |
17920.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].text |
去了解我們要讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].start |
17920.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].end |
17922.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].text |
民眾知道我們衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].start |
17922.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].end |
17924.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].text |
我們食藥署有沒有按照 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].start |
17924.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].end |
17926.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].text |
自己食安法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].start |
17926.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].end |
17928.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].text |
在監督我們的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].start |
17928.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].end |
17930.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].text |
那我們看到就這麼久都沒做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].start |
17930.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].end |
17932.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].text |
跟你們要資料又要不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].start |
17932.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].end |
17934.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].text |
我們就合理懷疑根本沒有落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].start |
17934.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].end |
17936.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].text |
這個查驗然後業者也沒做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].start |
17936.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].end |
17938.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].text |
你們也沒好好的監督啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].start |
17938.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].end |
17940.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].text |
所以才會後面爆發這麼多的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].start |
17940.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].end |
17942.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].text |
跟委員抱歉我們沒有及時 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].start |
17942.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].end |
17944.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].text |
提供資料我們待會立刻就補 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].start |
17944.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].end |
17946.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].text |
好我們希望這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].start |
17946.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].end |
17948.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].text |
管理系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].start |
17948.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].end |
17950.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].text |
全部一定要來更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].start |
17950.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].end |
17952.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].text |
現在有爆發這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].start |
17952.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].end |
17954.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].text |
我們也擔心有沒有其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].start |
17954.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].end |
17956.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].text |
食品也有相關的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].start |
17956.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].end |
17958.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].text |
所以一定要落實我們自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].start |
17958.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].end |
17960.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].text |
食安法你自己建立這個管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].start |
17960.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].end |
17962.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].text |
系統業者有沒有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].start |
17962.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].end |
17964.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].text |
我們主管單位有沒有去監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].start |
17964.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].end |
17966.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].text |
這個都是我們應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].start |
17966.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].end |
17968.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].text |
落實去做的吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].start |
17968.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].end |
17970.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].text |
我們也一併跟委員了解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].start |
17970.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].end |
17972.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].text |
系統的查詢看看是哪一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].start |
17972.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].end |
17974.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].text |
系統這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].start |
17974.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].end |
17976.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].text |
好像我們這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].start |
17976.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].end |
17978.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].text |
查是有的我們再確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].start |
17978.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].end |
17980.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].text |
一下那資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].start |
17980.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].end |
17982.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].text |
馬上迅速提供給我們然後這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].start |
17982.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].end |
17984.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].text |
管理系統希望馬上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].start |
17984.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].end |
17986.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].text |
我們先派人到委員辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].start |
17986.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].end |
17988.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].text |
去了解這個系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].start |
17989.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].end |
17991.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].text |
好那我們現在也針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].start |
17992.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].end |
17994.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].text |
蘋果的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].start |
17994.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].end |
17996.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].text |
農藥殘留量 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].start |
17996.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].end |
17998.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].text |
從0.5ppm到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].start |
17998.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].end |
18000.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].text |
3ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].start |
18000.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].end |
18002.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].text |
這個放寬超過到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].start |
18002.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].end |
18004.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].text |
6倍那 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].start |
18004.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].end |
18006.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].text |
我想請問一下為什麼會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].start |
18007.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].end |
18009.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].text |
突然要放寬這個分普寧的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].start |
18009.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].end |
18011.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].text |
殘留容許量 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].start |
18011.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].end |
18013.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].text |
這個是按照我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].start |
18013.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].end |
18015.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].text |
過去調整的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].start |
18015.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].end |
18017.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].text |
的程序都是先要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].start |
18017.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].end |
18019.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].text |
有業者也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].start |
18019.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].end |
18021.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].text |
或農民也好或農業部這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].start |
18021.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].end |
18023.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].text |
轉過來要調整這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].start |
18023.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].end |
18025.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].text |
標準或者是新增 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].start |
18025.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].end |
18027.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].text |
農藥的品項這個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].start |
18027.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].end |
18029.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].text |
我們才會進入後面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].start |
18029.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].end |
18031.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].text |
的評估程序所以這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].start |
18031.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].end |
18033.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].text |
在111年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].start |
18033.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].end |
18035.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].text |
那麼有業者提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].start |
18035.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].end |
18037.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].text |
對於這個分普寧的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].start |
18037.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].end |
18039.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].text |
農藥標準要進行調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].start |
18039.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].end |
18041.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].text |
好那個部長我有看你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].start |
18041.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].end |
18043.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].text |
在接受媒體訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].start |
18043.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].end |
18045.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].text |
你是說因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].start |
18045.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].end |
18047.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].text |
農民及業者的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].start |
18047.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].end |
18049.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].text |
要求那我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].start |
18049.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].end |
18051.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].text |
請問一下你口中的農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].start |
18051.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].end |
18053.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].text |
到底是指美國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].start |
18053.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].end |
18055.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].text |
農民還是指台灣的農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].start |
18055.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].end |
18057.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].text |
根據說明我們4月公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].start |
18057.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].end |
18059.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].text |
的這一批一共含了174 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].start |
18059.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].end |
18061.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].text |
個品項其中有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].start |
18061.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].end |
18063.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].text |
120個品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].start |
18063.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].end |
18065.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].text |
那是來自這個國內的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].start |
18065.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].end |
18067.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].text |
農作的需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].start |
18067.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].end |
18069.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].text |
然後透過農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].start |
18069.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].end |
18071.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].text |
那麼轉給我們的這個一共有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].start |
18071.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].end |
18073.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].text |
120項那我們也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].start |
18073.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].end |
18075.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].text |
進入一些討論之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].start |
18075.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].end |
18077.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].text |
把它修訂那另外有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].start |
18077.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].end |
18079.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].text |
54項是屬於進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].start |
18079.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].end |
18081.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].text |
需要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].start |
18081.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].end |
18083.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].text |
那也是我們在這一次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].start |
18083.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].end |
18085.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].text |
評估程序裡面一併去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].start |
18085.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].end |
18087.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].text |
討論結論出來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].start |
18087.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].end |
18089.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].text |
的修正可是我們看了一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].start |
18089.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].end |
18091.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].text |
台灣的蘋果其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].start |
18091.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].end |
18093.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].text |
一大多數都仰賴進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].start |
18093.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].end |
18095.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].text |
美國啦紐西蘭啦日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].start |
18095.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].end |
18097.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].text |
智利而且美國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].start |
18097.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].end |
18099.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].text |
我們看一下超過三分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].start |
18099.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].end |
18101.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].text |
那台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].start |
18101.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].end |
18103.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].text |
本身的產量大概只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5962].start |
18103.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5962].end |
18105.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5962].text |
到113年我們看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5963].start |
18105.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5963].end |
18107.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5963].text |
只有1100噸也只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5964].start |
18107.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5964].end |
18109.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5964].text |
佔我們整體市場的0.7% |
| transcript.whisperx[5965].start |
18109.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5965].end |
18111.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5965].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5966].start |
18111.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5966].end |
18113.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5966].text |
我不認為台灣的農民會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5967].start |
18113.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5967].end |
18115.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5967].text |
要求這個分普林 |
| transcript.whisperx[5968].start |
18115.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5968].end |
18117.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5968].text |
他要去放寬吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[5969].start |
18117.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5969].end |
18119.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5969].text |
所以看起來是應該美國農民的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5970].start |
18119.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5970].end |
18121.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5970].text |
進口的進口商 |
| transcript.whisperx[5971].start |
18121.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5971].end |
18123.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5971].text |
那是進口商是業者嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5972].start |
18123.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5972].end |
18125.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5972].text |
所以我那時候看你在媒體 |
| transcript.whisperx[5973].start |
18125.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5973].end |
18127.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5973].text |
接受訪問你說農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[5974].start |
18127.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5974].end |
18129.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5974].text |
跟業者的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5975].start |
18129.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5975].end |
18131.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5975].text |
我突然就查了一下我心裡想 |
| transcript.whisperx[5976].start |
18131.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5976].end |
18133.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5976].text |
台灣在市佔率 |
| transcript.whisperx[5977].start |
18133.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5977].end |
18135.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5977].text |
微乎其微所以是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5978].start |
18135.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5978].end |
18137.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5978].text |
美國農民要求要放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[5979].start |
18137.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5979].end |
18139.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5979].text |
就是說這一次一共有174項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5980].start |
18139.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5980].end |
18141.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5980].text |
那有一些120項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5981].start |
18141.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5981].end |
18143.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5981].text |
是國內農民的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5982].start |
18143.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5982].end |
18145.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5982].text |
需要有54項是進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[5983].start |
18145.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5983].end |
18147.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5983].text |
的需要意思是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].start |
18148.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].end |
18150.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].text |
這個美國蘋果分普林 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].start |
18150.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].end |
18152.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].text |
不是我們台灣農民的需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].start |
18152.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].end |
18154.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].text |
進口的需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].start |
18154.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].end |
18156.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].text |
因為我看一下你看115年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5988].start |
18156.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5988].end |
18158.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5988].text |
4月21號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].start |
18158.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].end |
18160.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].text |
我們修正農藥殘留容許量的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].start |
18160.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].end |
18162.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].text |
這個真正 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].start |
18162.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].end |
18164.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].text |
台灣農民需要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].start |
18164.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].end |
18166.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].text |
我們看他公佈的就是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].start |
18166.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].end |
18168.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].text |
眼衰 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].start |
18168.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].end |
18170.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].text |
真的是台灣農民希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].start |
18170.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].end |
18172.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].text |
這個可以放寬的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].start |
18172.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].end |
18174.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].text |
那蘋果我們上面也看得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].start |
18174.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].end |
18176.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].text |
就是業者的申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].start |
18176.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].end |
18178.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].text |
所以部長那時候說蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].start |
18178.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].end |
18180.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].text |
是農民跟業者的需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].start |
18180.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].end |
18182.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].text |
我們看了我真的是傻眼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].start |
18182.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].end |
18184.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].text |
我相信台灣的農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].start |
18184.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].end |
18186.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].text |
台灣的蘋果他怎麼會希望放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].start |
18186.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].end |
18188.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].text |
他只占台灣市場的0.7% |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].start |
18188.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].end |
18190.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].text |
他怎麼會希望放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].start |
18190.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].end |
18192.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].text |
所以我希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].start |
18195.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].end |
18197.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].text |
部長在回答的時候我突然 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].start |
18197.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].end |
18199.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].text |
會覺得說我們的衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].start |
18199.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].end |
18201.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].text |
蘋果這分普林的放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].start |
18201.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].end |
18203.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].text |
怎麼會因應美國農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].start |
18203.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].end |
18205.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].text |
業者的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].start |
18205.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].end |
18207.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].text |
我覺得我們是台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].start |
18207.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].end |
18209.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].text |
衛福部不是美國的衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].start |
18209.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].end |
18211.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].text |
不是美國的FDA |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].start |
18212.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].end |
18214.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].text |
所以這部分我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].start |
18214.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].end |
18216.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].text |
部長在回答的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].start |
18216.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].end |
18218.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].text |
讓我們有很大想像的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].start |
18218.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].end |
18220.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].text |
當時候可能那個報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].start |
18220.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].end |
18222.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].text |
沒有把它寫清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].start |
18222.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].end |
18224.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].text |
我講的是這一次4月全部所 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].start |
18224.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].end |
18226.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].text |
調整的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].start |
18226.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].end |
18228.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].text |
有這兩個來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].start |
18228.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].end |
18230.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].text |
而且你看我們看你們公布的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].start |
18231.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].end |
18233.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].text |
農藥殘留容許量標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].start |
18233.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].end |
18235.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].text |
你說這個業者申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].start |
18235.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].end |
18237.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].text |
而且他完全都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].start |
18237.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].end |
18239.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].text |
採用符合美國登記的施用方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].start |
18239.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].end |
18241.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].text |
跟施藥方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].start |
18241.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].end |
18243.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].text |
來做所以這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].start |
18243.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].end |
18245.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].text |
我們就 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].start |
18245.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].end |
18247.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].text |
會認為是不是因為是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].start |
18247.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].end |
18249.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].text |
美國要求放寬的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].start |
18250.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].end |
18252.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].text |
這個跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].start |
18252.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].end |
18254.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].text |
他其實是有兩段 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].start |
18254.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].end |
18256.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].text |
一個是按照他的標準施作 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].start |
18256.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].end |
18258.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].text |
就是GAH |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].start |
18258.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].end |
18260.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].text |
去操作出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].start |
18260.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].end |
18262.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].text |
那麼可能的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].start |
18262.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].end |
18264.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].text |
殘留量然後再套進 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].start |
18264.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].end |
18266.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].text |
公式導入 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].start |
18266.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].end |
18268.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].text |
這個國人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].start |
18268.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].end |
18270.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].text |
使用習慣才會訂出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].start |
18270.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].end |
18272.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].text |
所以才會有每個國家不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].start |
18272.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].end |
18274.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].text |
因為這個一下子的大幅放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].start |
18274.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].end |
18276.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].text |
也難怪國人對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].start |
18276.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].end |
18278.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].text |
食安現在剛好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].start |
18278.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].end |
18280.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].text |
又爆發這個使用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].start |
18280.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].end |
18282.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].text |
然後一下子又蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].start |
18282.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].end |
18284.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].text |
為什麼說毒蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].start |
18284.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].end |
18286.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].text |
從0.5ppm一下放大六倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].start |
18286.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].end |
18288.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].text |
到3ppm然後又剛好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].start |
18288.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].end |
18290.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].text |
碰到你看114年9月24號 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].start |
18290.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].end |
18292.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].text |
我們開了第四次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].start |
18292.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].end |
18294.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].text |
食品衛生安全營養之一會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].start |
18294.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].end |
18296.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].start |
18296.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].end |
18298.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].text |
在115年2月12號 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].start |
18298.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].end |
18300.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].text |
我們行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].start |
18300.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].end |
18302.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].text |
經貿辦公室跟美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].start |
18302.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].end |
18304.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].text |
貿易代表完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].start |
18304.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].end |
18306.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].text |
台美對等貿易協定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].start |
18306.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].end |
18308.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].text |
也是我們說的art |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].start |
18310.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].end |
18312.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].text |
美國就在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].start |
18312.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].end |
18314.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].text |
115年3月31號公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].start |
18314.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].end |
18316.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].text |
2026年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].start |
18316.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].end |
18318.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].text |
貿易障礙報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].start |
18318.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].end |
18320.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].text |
這個時候我們才發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].start |
18320.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].end |
18322.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].text |
原來我們行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].start |
18322.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].end |
18324.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].text |
經辦居然犧牲國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].start |
18324.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].end |
18326.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].text |
食安好大幅 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].start |
18326.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].end |
18328.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].text |
來放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].start |
18328.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].end |
18330.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].text |
這個農藥最大殘留容許量 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].start |
18330.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].end |
18332.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].text |
來降低貿易障礙 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].start |
18332.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].end |
18334.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].text |
所以這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].start |
18334.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].end |
18336.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].text |
我們就合理的認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].start |
18336.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].end |
18338.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].text |
是不是完全就是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].start |
18338.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].end |
18340.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].text |
這個對等貿易來犧牲 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].start |
18340.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].end |
18342.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].text |
我們國人的食安健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].start |
18342.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].end |
18344.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].text |
跟委員說明不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].start |
18344.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].end |
18346.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].text |
我們衛福部主要就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].start |
18346.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].end |
18348.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].text |
確保國人的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].start |
18348.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].end |
18350.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].text |
所以這個一定為食安把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].start |
18350.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].end |
18352.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].text |
那麼這個程序上其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].start |
18352.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].end |
18354.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].text |
進行很久 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].start |
18354.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].end |
18356.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].text |
就如果我剛剛說明的這個品項的提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].start |
18356.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].end |
18358.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].text |
是在111年就已經提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].start |
18358.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].end |
18360.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].text |
這中間進行了很多次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].start |
18360.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].end |
18362.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].text |
包含這些資料的補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].start |
18362.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].end |
18364.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].text |
收集 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].start |
18364.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].end |
18366.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].text |
然後再進行評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].start |
18366.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].end |
18368.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].text |
直到114年的9月 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].start |
18368.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].end |
18370.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].text |
才開會確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].start |
18370.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].end |
18372.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].text |
我們是連同其他的品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].start |
18372.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].end |
18374.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].text |
在115年的1月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].start |
18374.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].end |
18376.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].text |
做預告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].start |
18376.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].end |
18378.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].text |
預告60日之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].start |
18378.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].end |
18380.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].text |
沒有評論的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].start |
18380.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].end |
18382.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].text |
我們才在4月正式公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].start |
18382.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].end |
18384.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].start |
18384.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].end |
18386.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].start |
18386.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].end |
18388.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].text |
剛剛我講這個時辰 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].start |
18388.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].end |
18390.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].text |
你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].start |
18390.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].end |
18392.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].text |
從我們政力軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].start |
18392.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].end |
18394.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].text |
率團去談判 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].start |
18394.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].end |
18396.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].text |
這一點串的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].start |
18395.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].end |
18397.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].text |
從我們自己的食安會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].start |
18397.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].end |
18399.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].text |
再到行政院經貿辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].start |
18399.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].end |
18401.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].text |
跟美國貿易 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].start |
18401.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].end |
18403.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].text |
談判 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].start |
18403.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].end |
18405.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].text |
後來針對這些的放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].start |
18406.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].end |
18408.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].text |
針對萊豬的內臟 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].start |
18408.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].end |
18410.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].text |
發芽的馬鈴薯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].start |
18410.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].end |
18412.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].text |
還有現在再到芬普林的蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].start |
18412.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].end |
18414.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].text |
我們說啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].start |
18414.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].end |
18416.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].text |
連美國人自己都不吃的東西啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].start |
18416.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].end |
18418.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].text |
結果我們大幅放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].start |
18418.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].end |
18420.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].text |
銷到台灣來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].start |
18420.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].end |
18422.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].text |
要讓我們的台灣人民吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].start |
18422.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].end |
18424.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].text |
還有剛剛前面我也跟部長講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].start |
18424.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].end |
18426.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].text |
那時候我也是看到你 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].start |
18426.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].end |
18428.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].text |
接受媒體的訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].start |
18428.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].end |
18430.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].text |
你說美國芬普林這蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].start |
18430.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].end |
18432.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].text |
你說因應農民跟葉子的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].start |
18432.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].end |
18434.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].text |
所以一連串的行為啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].start |
18434.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].end |
18436.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].text |
我們都認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].start |
18436.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].end |
18438.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].text |
是不是真的完全礙於美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].start |
18439.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].end |
18441.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].text |
經貿對等談判的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].start |
18441.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].end |
18443.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].text |
所以大幅放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].start |
18443.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].end |
18445.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].text |
這些東西的進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].start |
18445.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].end |
18447.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].text |
讓美國人自己都不吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].start |
18447.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].end |
18449.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].text |
然後把這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].start |
18449.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].end |
18451.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].text |
一再的放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].start |
18451.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].end |
18453.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].text |
所以希望我們部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].start |
18453.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].end |
18455.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].text |
還有署長針對這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].start |
18455.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].end |
18457.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].text |
我們一定要捍衛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].start |
18457.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].end |
18459.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].text |
我們國人的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].start |
18459.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].end |
18461.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].text |
守護我們的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].start |
18461.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].end |
18463.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].text |
我說啊我們是台灣的衛福部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].start |
18463.53 |
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18465.53 |
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不是美國的FDA |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].start |
18465.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].end |
18467.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].text |
所以希望我們還是以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].start |
18467.53 |
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18469.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].text |
國人的健康食安為前提好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].start |
18469.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].end |
18471.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].text |
一定這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].start |
18471.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].end |
18473.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].text |
這個食安一定是為前提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].start |
18473.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].end |
18475.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].text |
健康風險評估一定是我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].start |
18475.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].end |
18477.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].text |
調整所有標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].start |
18477.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].end |
18479.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].text |
必要的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].start |
18479.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].end |
18481.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].text |
所以我們這個也都是按照 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].start |
18481.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].end |
18483.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].text |
既定的程序走 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].start |
18483.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].end |
18485.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].text |
這個跟這個ART美國的談判 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].start |
18485.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].end |
18487.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].text |
這個是完全沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].start |
18487.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].end |
18489.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].text |
所以我們按照既定的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].start |
18489.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].end |
18491.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].text |
所以剛好這一連串的事情啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].start |
18491.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].end |
18493.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].text |
現在又爆發這自來食用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].start |
18493.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].end |
18495.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].text |
有含這個很偏比 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].start |
18495.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].end |
18497.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].text |
那也希望部長署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].start |
18497.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].end |
18499.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].text |
拜託大家多加油 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].start |
18499.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].end |
18501.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].text |
真的我們現在這食安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].start |
18501.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].end |
18503.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].text |
你看油的問題也出 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].start |
18503.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].end |
18505.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].text |
然後美國進口的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].start |
18505.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].end |
18507.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].text |
這些食品全部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].start |
18507.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].end |
18509.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].text |
大幅放寬我相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].start |
18509.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].end |
18511.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].text |
這不是民眾願意 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].start |
18511.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].end |
18513.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].text |
接受的這些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].start |
18513.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].end |
18515.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].text |
能夠讓他大幅的進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].start |
18515.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].end |
18517.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].text |
希望還是捍衛我們國人的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].start |
18517.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].end |
18519.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].text |
保護我們的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].start |
18519.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].end |
18521.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].text |
我們把關的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].start |
18521.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].end |
18523.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].text |
要求跟標準不會改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].start |
18523.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].end |
18525.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].start |
18525.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].end |
18527.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].text |
謝謝蘇貞瑄 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].start |
18527.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].end |
18529.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].text |
現在突圈就有了自信 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].start |
18529.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].end |
18531.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].text |
接下來請廖偉祥委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].start |
18538.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].end |
18540.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].start |
18540.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].end |
18542.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].text |
有請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].start |
18544.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].end |
18546.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].start |
18546.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].end |
18548.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].text |
部長我想我就直接問喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].start |
18548.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].end |
18550.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].text |
我想要先請教啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].start |
18550.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].end |
18552.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].text |
目前這一次致癌的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].start |
18552.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].end |
18554.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].text |
這個中聯友這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].start |
18554.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].end |
18556.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].text |
現在的源頭陳盈 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].start |
18556.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].end |
18558.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].text |
到底有沒有已經確定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].start |
18558.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].end |
18560.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].text |
是黃豆的原料製成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].start |
18560.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].end |
18562.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].text |
還是因為廠商放寬什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].start |
18562.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].end |
18564.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].text |
十倍的黃豆的允收標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].start |
18564.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].end |
18566.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].text |
才導致到底是哪一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].start |
18566.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].end |
18568.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].text |
你們現在查的狀況如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].start |
18568.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].end |
18570.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].text |
根據我們之前的查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].start |
18570.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].end |
18572.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].text |
還有之後呢我們把這所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].start |
18572.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].end |
18574.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].text |
P的重新都檢驗出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].start |
18574.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].end |
18576.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].text |
檢驗結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].start |
18576.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].end |
18578.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].text |
然後昨日呢又 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].start |
18578.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].end |
18580.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].text |
有這個專家在進場 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].start |
18580.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].end |
18582.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].text |
再去做最後的比對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].start |
18582.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].end |
18584.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].text |
那麼現在最大的因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].start |
18584.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].end |
18586.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].text |
還是會歸因 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].start |
18586.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].end |
18588.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].text |
在這個原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].start |
18588.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].end |
18590.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].text |
所以是黃豆原料的問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].start |
18590.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].end |
18592.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].text |
對 它的某一些P次的品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].start |
18592.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].end |
18594.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].text |
確實是不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].start |
18594.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].end |
18596.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].text |
原料出了問題喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].start |
18596.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].end |
18598.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].text |
所以你現在確定了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].start |
18598.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].end |
18600.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].text |
確定是原料不是製成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].start |
18600.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].end |
18602.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].text |
P次 當然它的製成上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].start |
18602.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].end |
18604.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].text |
有多像沒有符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].start |
18604.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].end |
18606.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].text |
HACCP的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].start |
18606.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].end |
18608.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].text |
管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].start |
18608.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].end |
18610.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].text |
那個管制點上檢查點上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].start |
18610.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].end |
18612.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].text |
也沒有符合這個標準的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].start |
18612.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].end |
18614.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].text |
所以我還是聽不懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].start |
18614.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].end |
18616.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].text |
到底是哪一個原因 還是兩個都是原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].start |
18616.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].end |
18618.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].text |
如果簡單的講就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].start |
18618.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].end |
18620.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].text |
它的先天就不良 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].start |
18620.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].end |
18622.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].text |
但是後天又沒有調 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].start |
18622.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].end |
18624.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].text |
所以你的意思就 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].start |
18624.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].end |
18626.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].text |
我重整一下喔 因為這個很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].start |
18626.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].end |
18628.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].text |
所以你的講法就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].start |
18628.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].end |
18630.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].text |
原料有問題 製成也有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].start |
18630.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].end |
18632.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].start |
18632.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].end |
18634.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].text |
所以兩個都有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].start |
18634.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].end |
18636.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].text |
好 確定喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].start |
18636.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].end |
18638.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].text |
當然是原料的貢獻 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].start |
18638.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].end |
18640.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].text |
會更高一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].start |
18640.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].end |
18642.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].text |
因為它的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].start |
18642.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].end |
18644.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].text |
它的製成沒有改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].start |
18644.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].end |
18646.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].text |
但是它的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].start |
18646.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].end |
18648.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].text |
本身的品質不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].start |
18648.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].end |
18650.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].text |
理論上如果你的原料品質不好的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].start |
18650.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].end |
18652.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].text |
那你的精煉過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].start |
18652.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].end |
18654.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].text |
就要更再調高 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].start |
18654.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].end |
18656.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].text |
所以你覺得是原料的問題喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].start |
18656.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].end |
18658.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].text |
本期就想要請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].start |
18658.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].end |
18660.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].text |
那原料出了問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].start |
18660.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].end |
18662.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].text |
那這批原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].start |
18663.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].end |
18665.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].text |
你們有去追蹤嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].start |
18665.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].end |
18667.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].text |
到底這批原料是只有拿來做油 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].start |
18667.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].end |
18669.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].text |
還是也有拿去做別的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].start |
18669.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].end |
18671.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].text |
比如說豆漿 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].start |
18671.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].end |
18673.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].text |
或是大豆相關的食品 有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].start |
18673.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].end |
18675.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].text |
這批原料你有沒有去追 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].start |
18675.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].end |
18677.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].text |
因為這一批是他進口來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].start |
18677.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].end |
18679.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].text |
他自己進口來的這一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].start |
18679.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].end |
18681.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].text |
然後進到他的廠裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].start |
18681.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].end |
18683.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].text |
因為他還要做其他的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].start |
18683.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].end |
18685.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].text |
沒關係 部長你又回答我你有沒有掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].start |
18685.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].end |
18687.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].text |
因為這一批是不是都 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].start |
18687.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].end |
18689.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].text |
已經確定都是做成油 還是說他有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].start |
18689.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].end |
18691.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].text |
留在市面上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].start |
18691.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].end |
18693.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].text |
有其他的廠商也買了這一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].start |
18693.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].end |
18695.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].text |
有問題的劣質品 他拿去做了別的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].start |
18695.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].end |
18697.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].text |
有沒有這件事情 你有沒有追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].start |
18697.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].end |
18699.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].text |
這個是要數的 我有去追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].start |
18699.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].end |
18701.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].text |
從海關進來的這一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].start |
18701.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].end |
18703.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].text |
那追蹤的狀況怎麼樣 就是在這個廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].start |
18703.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].end |
18705.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].text |
沒有到中聯油紙廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].start |
18705.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].end |
18707.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].text |
他這批原料沒有到其他地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].start |
18708.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].end |
18710.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].text |
你可以保證嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].start |
18736.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].end |
18738.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].text |
都是自由的油廠 但是其他的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].start |
18738.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].end |
18740.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].text |
都是自由的 都是自由的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].start |
18740.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].end |
18742.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].text |
所以有到其他的油廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].start |
18742.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].end |
18744.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].text |
那你全部都有追到其他的油廠 有沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].start |
18744.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].end |
18746.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].text |
你有百分之百掌握嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].start |
18747.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].end |
18749.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].text |
你可以在這裡拍胸部跟國人保證嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].start |
18749.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].end |
18751.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].text |
這邊我們有進一步的去針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].start |
18751.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].end |
18753.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].text |
其他現在的油品的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].start |
18753.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].end |
18755.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].text |
都進一步的去分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].start |
18755.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].end |
18757.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].text |
跟委員說明就是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].start |
18757.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].end |
18759.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].text |
其他 每一個這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].start |
18759.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].end |
18761.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].text |
油廠他的製程還是不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].start |
18761.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].end |
18763.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].text |
我舉例而言 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].start |
18763.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].end |
18765.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].text |
以這個中聯呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].start |
18765.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].end |
18767.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].text |
他是用白土 那麼其他的廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].start |
18767.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].end |
18769.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].text |
他會有加活性碳或什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].start |
18769.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].end |
18771.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].text |
那對其他的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].start |
18771.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].end |
18773.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].text |
煉油廠我們也都去抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].start |
18773.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].end |
18775.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].text |
抽驗是符合標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].start |
18775.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].end |
18777.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].text |
那基於製程 每個人的製程當然不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].start |
18777.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].end |
18779.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].text |
你現在也不可能一一把每一家廠商的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].start |
18779.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].end |
18781.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].text |
製程講得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].start |
18781.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].end |
18783.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].text |
我現在想要幫老百姓問的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].start |
18783.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].end |
18785.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].text |
就是你有沒有完全掌握了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].start |
18785.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].end |
18787.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].text |
這一批有問題的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].start |
18787.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].end |
18789.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].text |
然後他沒有跑到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].start |
18789.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].end |
18791.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].text |
別的食品加工裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].start |
18791.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].end |
18793.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].text |
你確保他真的都只是到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].start |
18793.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].end |
18795.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].text |
自由裡面 然後你現在追查到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].start |
18795.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].end |
18797.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].text |
你去檢驗到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].start |
18797.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].end |
18799.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].text |
都是這些這個範疇內的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].start |
18799.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].end |
18801.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].text |
沒有多的跑到其他市面上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].start |
18801.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].end |
18803.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].text |
其他東西 你可以保證這件事情嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].start |
18803.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].end |
18805.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].text |
他的煉油廠我們也都去抽驗了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6289].start |
18805.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6289].end |
18807.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6289].text |
所以其他的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6290].start |
18807.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6290].end |
18809.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6290].text |
那量呢 你有去核對勾稽這個量嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6291].start |
18809.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6291].end |
18811.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6291].text |
譬如說 進來假設 |
| transcript.whisperx[6292].start |
18811.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6292].end |
18813.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6292].text |
一萬噸好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6293].start |
18813.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6293].end |
18815.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6293].text |
或是三萬噸 十萬噸好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].start |
18815.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].end |
18817.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].text |
你十萬噸你確定他都到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].start |
18817.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].end |
18819.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].text |
各個廠 然後各個廠 譬如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6296].start |
18819.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6296].end |
18821.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6296].text |
五個廠 四個廠 二點五萬噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].start |
18821.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].end |
18823.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].text |
二點五萬噸 二點五萬噸 然後你確保說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6298].start |
18823.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6298].end |
18825.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6298].text |
他都是到這裡 而沒有人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6299].start |
18825.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6299].end |
18827.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6299].text |
拿去 我舉例 拿去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6300].start |
18827.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6300].end |
18829.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6300].text |
豆漿 豆皮 豆腐 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].start |
18829.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].end |
18831.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].text |
是不是這樣子 我只是想要幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].start |
18831.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].end |
18833.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].text |
百姓 跟你確認一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].start |
18833.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].end |
18835.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].text |
因為這個不是絕對的因果 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].start |
18835.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].end |
18837.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].text |
就是原料的品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].start |
18837.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].end |
18839.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].text |
不佳 |
| transcript.whisperx[6306].start |
18839.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6306].end |
18841.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6306].text |
那麼要搭配後面的製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[6307].start |
18841.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6307].end |
18843.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6307].text |
所以有的製程是correct |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].start |
18843.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].end |
18845.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].text |
是ok的 他還是可以做出安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].start |
18845.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].end |
18847.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].text |
不是說 他並不是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6310].start |
18847.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6310].end |
18849.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6310].text |
壞掉的 壞掉的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6311].start |
18849.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6311].end |
18851.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6311].text |
或者是腐爛的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].start |
18851.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].end |
18853.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].text |
所以你這批 本來你剛剛說最重要的是原料本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].start |
18853.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].end |
18855.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].text |
就有比較劣質了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].start |
18855.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].end |
18857.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].text |
然後再搭配到他製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[6315].start |
18857.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6315].end |
18859.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6315].text |
處理的過程當中 他可能烘焙過度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].start |
18859.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].end |
18861.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].text |
部長其實你這樣邏輯是有點打架的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].start |
18861.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].end |
18863.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].text |
因為你剛剛前面已經先說了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].start |
18863.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].end |
18865.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].text |
你說大部分主要原因是來自於 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].start |
18865.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].end |
18867.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].text |
這個原料有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].start |
18867.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].end |
18869.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].text |
但是他有其他的廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].start |
18869.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].end |
18871.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].text |
可能製程做得可能比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].start |
18871.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].end |
18873.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].text |
所以他沒有驗出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].start |
18873.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].end |
18875.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].text |
好 但是你跟我的問題脫節了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].start |
18875.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].end |
18877.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].text |
我的問題是你有沒有掌握 舉例 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].start |
18877.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].end |
18879.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].text |
他進來十萬噸 他是不是真的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].start |
18879.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].end |
18881.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].text |
確保你就只進了他幾家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].start |
18881.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].end |
18883.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].text |
因為他這個是有相關聯性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].start |
18883.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].end |
18885.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].text |
就是說他的品質在不好的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].start |
18885.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].end |
18887.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].text |
那你的製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].start |
18887.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].end |
18889.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].text |
是可以把他降低的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].start |
18889.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].end |
18891.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].text |
所以他是搭配的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].start |
18891.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].end |
18893.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].text |
如果你沒有辦法回答我這個問題的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].start |
18893.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].end |
18895.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].text |
我就代表你根本沒有追蹤清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].start |
18895.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].end |
18897.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].text |
因為我的意思就是說 如果今天這個豆進來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].start |
18897.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].end |
18899.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].text |
如果有其他人覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].start |
18899.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].end |
18901.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].text |
這批豆好像價格比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].start |
18901.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].end |
18903.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].text |
那我就買了他來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].start |
18903.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].end |
18905.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].text |
市面上可能有五六家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].start |
18905.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].end |
18907.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].text |
十家的豆漿 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].start |
18907.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].end |
18909.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].text |
假設有十家豆漿 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].start |
18909.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].end |
18911.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].text |
十家豆漿裡面有八家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].start |
18911.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].end |
18913.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].text |
製程比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].start |
18913.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].end |
18915.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].text |
那裡有兩家 製程比較不好 那是不是他也是有可能出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].start |
18915.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].end |
18917.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].text |
所以我只是要幫老百姓問清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].start |
18917.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].end |
18919.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].text |
你有沒有掌握好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].start |
18919.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].end |
18921.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].text |
他源頭進來的這一些所有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].start |
18921.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].end |
18923.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].text |
有問題的批號的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].start |
18923.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].end |
18925.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].text |
他到底去了哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].start |
18925.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].end |
18927.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].text |
然後是不是都確保他只有去煉油呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].start |
18927.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].end |
18929.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].text |
都是在煉油啦 因為他是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].start |
18929.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].end |
18931.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].text |
你確保嗎 你確定嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].start |
18931.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].end |
18933.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].text |
那你可不可以把你們這個追查的 |
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18933.18 |
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相關的數據跟報告給本席辦公室 |
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18935.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6354].end |
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好 因為我想要幫老百姓確認這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].start |
18937.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].end |
18939.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].text |
就幫委員補充他這個六個批號的傳奇的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6356].start |
18939.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6356].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[6356].text |
通通都是進入中聯 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6357].end |
18943.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6357].text |
這個是很清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].start |
18943.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].end |
18945.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].text |
一定跟委員做的保證 |
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18945.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].end |
18947.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].text |
我們確定他都進來 |
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18947.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6360].end |
18949.18 |
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這進來因為巴西的豆子裡面 |
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18949.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6361].end |
18951.18 |
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完全都是在煉油的 |
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18951.18 |
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18953.18 |
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這也是確定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6363].start |
18953.18 |
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18955.18 |
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你確保他沒有跑到別的 |
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18955.18 |
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18957.18 |
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其他的產品 好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].start |
18957.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].end |
18959.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].text |
因為我想要講的事情就是 |
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18959.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].end |
18961.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].text |
這件事情到現在我也是覺得到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6367].start |
18961.18 |
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18963.18 |
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我這樣好好地問 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].start |
18963.36 |
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18965.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].text |
你才可以跟我保證 |
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18965.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].end |
18967.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].text |
所以我覺得從食藥署從6月30號 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].start |
18967.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].end |
18969.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].text |
接到通報到7月20號才說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6371].start |
18969.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6371].end |
18971.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6371].text |
要委託食品工業 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].start |
18971.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].end |
18973.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].text |
發展研究所成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].start |
18973.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].end |
18975.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].text |
獨立調查小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].start |
18975.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].end |
18977.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].text |
其實到現在已經整整24天了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].start |
18977.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].end |
18979.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].text |
所以我剛剛一直要問 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].start |
18979.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].end |
18981.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].text |
源頭到底在哪裡 到底有沒有確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6377].start |
18981.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6377].end |
18983.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6377].text |
查出來了 你的動作為什麼可以這麼慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6378].start |
18983.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6378].end |
18985.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6378].text |
然後因為你們今天 |
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18985.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6379].end |
18987.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6379].text |
19批你說要重新上架 |
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18988.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6380].end |
18990.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6380].text |
在沒有完全釐清情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6381].start |
18990.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6381].end |
18992.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6381].text |
你又重新上架 到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[6382].start |
18992.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6382].end |
18994.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6382].text |
有沒有辦法讓人民安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6383].start |
18994.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6383].end |
18996.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6383].text |
所以我想要問的民眾也很關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].start |
18996.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].end |
18998.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].text |
那現在上架了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6385].start |
18998.89 |
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19000.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6385].text |
現在這19批都是我們 |
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19000.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6386].end |
19002.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6386].text |
逐批檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6387].start |
19002.89 |
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19004.89 |
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而且這個樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[6388].start |
19004.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6388].end |
19006.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6388].text |
那麼我們只是先 |
| transcript.whisperx[6389].start |
19006.89 |
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19008.89 |
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公布說他們可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6390].start |
19008.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6390].end |
19010.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6390].text |
因為之前是公布預防性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6391].start |
19010.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6391].end |
19012.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6391].text |
下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[6392].start |
19012.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6392].end |
19014.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6392].text |
現在因為已經合格了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6393].start |
19014.89 |
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19016.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6393].text |
所以他可以重新上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[6394].start |
19016.89 |
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19018.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6394].text |
上架的速度就是由廠商自己決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6395].start |
19018.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6395].end |
19020.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6395].text |
那你有去掌握他上架的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[6396].start |
19020.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6396].end |
19022.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6396].text |
或者是你重新上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].start |
19022.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].end |
19024.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].text |
會不會讓百姓知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6398].start |
19024.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6398].end |
19026.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6398].text |
這個是JP是重新上架的 |
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19026.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6399].end |
19028.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6399].text |
讓大家知道 可以標示的清楚 |
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19028.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6400].end |
19030.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6400].text |
重新上架的就是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6401].start |
19030.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6401].end |
19032.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6401].text |
那我們現在跟衛生局協調的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].start |
19032.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].end |
19034.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].text |
當然就是去確保 |
| transcript.whisperx[6403].start |
19034.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6403].end |
19036.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6403].text |
都是上架的都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].start |
19036.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].end |
19038.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].text |
我們通過我們公布的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].start |
19038.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].end |
19040.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].text |
這一些就可以了 |
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19040.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].end |
19042.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].text |
部長這件事情很簡單 民眾要的是一個知情權 |
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19042.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6407].end |
19044.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6407].text |
他預防性下架了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6408].start |
19044.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6408].end |
19046.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6408].text |
當然你覺得上架了沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6409].start |
19046.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6409].end |
19048.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6409].text |
但是民眾要的是 |
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19048.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6410].end |
19050.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6410].text |
他買的時候他會不會知道這是19批 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].start |
19050.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].end |
19052.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].text |
那他自己就可以選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[6412].start |
19052.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6412].end |
19054.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6412].text |
這19批都是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].start |
19054.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].end |
19056.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].text |
這個我們都驗過 跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].start |
19056.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].end |
19058.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].text |
那7批不合格的我們品項都公告的很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].start |
19058.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].end |
19060.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].text |
那些都是要下架的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].start |
19060.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].end |
19062.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].text |
你還是跟我吉桐壓講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].start |
19062.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].end |
19064.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].text |
我在問的事情是民眾如果想要知道 |
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19064.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6418].end |
19066.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6418].text |
是這19批 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].start |
19066.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].end |
19068.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].text |
他有沒有辦法很清楚的辨識 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].start |
19068.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].end |
19070.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].text |
他有沒有辦法很清楚的辨識說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].start |
19070.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].end |
19072.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].text |
這19批重新上架的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].start |
19072.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].end |
19074.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].text |
有是重新上架的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].start |
19074.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].end |
19076.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].text |
那他可以選擇嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].start |
19076.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].end |
19078.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].text |
但是這個都是檢驗合格了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].start |
19078.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].end |
19080.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].text |
所以我問的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].start |
19080.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].end |
19082.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].text |
那所以你的意思就是說不會有標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].start |
19082.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].end |
19084.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].text |
然後民眾可能也不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].start |
19084.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].end |
19086.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].text |
所以我們沒有要請民眾好好的去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].start |
19086.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].end |
19088.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].text |
自己去調查去查一下來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].start |
19088.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].end |
19090.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].text |
你的意思是這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].start |
19090.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].end |
19092.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].text |
就是我們只要是合格的上架的合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].start |
19092.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].end |
19094.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].text |
那都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].start |
19094.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].end |
19096.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].text |
我們不會去公布這個合格批次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].start |
19096.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].end |
19098.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].text |
我們公布的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].start |
19098.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].end |
19100.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].text |
不合格的絕對不可以上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].start |
19100.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].end |
19102.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].text |
所以這個衛生局一定會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].start |
19102.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].end |
19104.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].text |
後市場去做抽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].start |
19104.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].end |
19106.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].text |
其實我認為你們的資訊反而 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].start |
19106.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].end |
19108.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].text |
應該要這個時候做得更透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].start |
19108.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].end |
19110.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].text |
因為你越不透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].start |
19110.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].end |
19112.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].text |
百姓越擔心他才導致說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].start |
19112.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].end |
19114.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].text |
他對於這架上的東西越緊張 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].start |
19114.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].end |
19116.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].text |
其實你如果 |
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19116.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].end |
19118.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].text |
你如果清清楚楚的想辦法把這個標示講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].start |
19118.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].end |
19120.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].text |
反正你現在上架就是合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].start |
19120.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].end |
19122.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].text |
但是我也要告訴你說就是這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].start |
19122.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].end |
19124.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].text |
這些曾經預防性下架過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].start |
19124.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].end |
19126.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].text |
其實你這個時候你反而 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].start |
19126.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].end |
19128.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].text |
更應該要這樣做做得更清楚一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].start |
19128.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].end |
19130.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].text |
那你一下子一直強調說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].start |
19130.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].end |
19132.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].text |
這個都是安全的沒有用嘛 |
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19132.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].end |
19134.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].text |
因為百姓不一定可以相信嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].start |
19134.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].end |
19136.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].text |
他不一定會覺得說這個東西對他來講安心啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].start |
19136.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].end |
19138.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].text |
我想要跟你講的是這個 |
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19139.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].end |
19141.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].text |
對因為我們下架的部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].start |
19141.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].end |
19143.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].text |
我們之前都已經先下架 |
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19143.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].end |
19145.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].text |
先封城現在是只有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].start |
19145.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].end |
19147.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].text |
合格的才可以上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].start |
19147.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].end |
19149.45 |
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你重新上架的配套啦希望讓百姓 |
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19149.45 |
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19151.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6460].text |
更清楚知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6461].start |
19151.45 |
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19153.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6461].text |
這部份你們是不是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6462].start |
19153.21 |
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19155.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6462].text |
而且說實在今天我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6463].start |
19155.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6463].end |
19157.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6463].text |
的臨時動議都跨黨派民進黨也踢了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6464].start |
19157.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6464].end |
19159.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6464].text |
就是說在沒有查明真相之前 |
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19159.47 |
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19161.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6465].text |
百姓沒有安心之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[6466].start |
19161.47 |
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19163.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6466].text |
其實你是不能上架最重要的原因就是 |
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19163.47 |
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19165.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6467].text |
在這裡嘛就是百姓沒有辦法 |
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19165.47 |
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19167.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6468].text |
安心嘛所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].start |
19167.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].end |
19169.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].text |
這就是我們擔心的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6470].start |
19169.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6470].end |
19171.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6470].text |
更離譜的事情是在污染源 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].start |
19171.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].end |
19173.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].text |
其實完全其實你還是沒有講得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6472].start |
19173.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6472].end |
19175.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6472].text |
很清楚說到底釐清了沒 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].start |
19175.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].end |
19177.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].text |
那問題的批次尚未完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].start |
19177.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].end |
19179.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].text |
掌握的情況之下那最近宜蘭縣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].start |
19179.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].end |
19181.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].text |
政府又有發現新的問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].start |
19181.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].end |
19183.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].text |
批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].start |
19182.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].end |
19184.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].text |
那這個時候這個所謂行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].start |
19184.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].end |
19186.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].text |
還有辦法行政院長還有辦法把 |
| transcript.whisperx[6479].start |
19186.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6479].end |
19188.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6479].text |
這個時間點把責任推到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6480].start |
19188.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6480].end |
19190.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6480].text |
地方然後一下子再批評 |
| transcript.whisperx[6481].start |
19190.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6481].end |
19192.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6481].text |
說地方稽查不力 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].start |
19192.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].end |
19194.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].text |
那我們就是想要來檢驗一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].start |
19194.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].end |
19196.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].text |
那好啊那中央政府的食安預算到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].start |
19196.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].end |
19198.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].text |
怎麼花的喔我想要在這裡跟大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6485].start |
19198.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6485].end |
19200.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6485].text |
講喔卓榮泰院長上任後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6486].start |
19200.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6486].end |
19202.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6486].text |
核定的第一份公文啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6487].start |
19202.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6487].end |
19204.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6487].text |
就是七十四億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].start |
19204.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].end |
19206.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].text |
的食品安全建設計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].start |
19207.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].end |
19209.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].text |
到一百一十五年這個食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].start |
19209.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].end |
19211.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].text |
總稅出約六十七億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].start |
19211.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].end |
19213.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].text |
其中又編列八億元的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].start |
19213.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].end |
19217.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].text |
辦理食安食品安全的建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].start |
19218.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].end |
19220.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].text |
那這八億元裡面咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].start |
19220.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].end |
19222.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].text |
有七點八八億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].start |
19222.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].end |
19224.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].start |
19222.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].end |
19224.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].text |
設備跟投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].start |
19224.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].end |
19226.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].text |
佔了九十八點五趴 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].start |
19226.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].end |
19228.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].text |
主要用在哪裡主要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].start |
19228.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].end |
19230.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].text |
用在食物大樓的外牆 |
| transcript.whisperx[6500].start |
19230.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6500].end |
19232.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6500].text |
機電室內裝修 |
| transcript.whisperx[6501].start |
19232.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6501].end |
19234.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6501].text |
跟整建工程 |
| transcript.whisperx[6502].start |
19234.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6502].end |
19236.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6502].text |
那真正編列在業務費的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].start |
19236.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].end |
19238.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].text |
只有一千兩百萬所以我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6504].start |
19238.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6504].end |
19240.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6504].text |
這究竟是食品安全建設計畫還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6505].start |
19240.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6505].end |
19242.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6505].text |
食安大樓的裝修計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[6506].start |
19242.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6506].end |
19244.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6506].text |
我想人民看到這個配置 |
| transcript.whisperx[6507].start |
19245.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6507].end |
19247.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6507].text |
就會讓人家想到當初什麼數 |
| transcript.whisperx[6508].start |
19247.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6508].end |
19249.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6508].text |
數位發展部花大錢在裝修辦公室的即視感 |
| transcript.whisperx[6509].start |
19251 |
| transcript.whisperx[6509].end |
19253 |
| transcript.whisperx[6509].text |
那更讓人家值得懷疑的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6510].start |
19253 |
| transcript.whisperx[6510].end |
19255 |
| transcript.whisperx[6510].text |
這項食品安全計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[6511].start |
19255 |
| transcript.whisperx[6511].end |
19257 |
| transcript.whisperx[6511].text |
從106年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6512].start |
19257.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6512].end |
19259.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6512].text |
一路直行到120年民國 |
| transcript.whisperx[6513].start |
19259.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6513].end |
19261.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6513].text |
前後長達15年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6514].start |
19261.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6514].end |
19263.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6514].text |
那目前已經投入了52億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6515].start |
19263.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6515].end |
19265.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6515].text |
未來還要再投入14億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6516].start |
19265.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6516].end |
19267.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6516].text |
光是今年就有約6.5億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[6517].start |
19267.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6517].end |
19269.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6517].text |
用在機電 |
| transcript.whisperx[6518].start |
19269.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6518].end |
19271.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6518].text |
景觀跟室內裝修 |
| transcript.whisperx[6519].start |
19271.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6519].end |
19273.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6519].text |
那九成以上的經費都放在硬體工程 |
| transcript.whisperx[6520].start |
19273.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6520].end |
19275.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6520].text |
這是在修大樓還是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].start |
19275.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].end |
19277.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].text |
裝修原民園 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].start |
19277.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].end |
19279.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].text |
那另外食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[6523].start |
19279.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6523].end |
19281.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6523].text |
今年的預算中光是煤炫費就一千五百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6524].start |
19282.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6524].end |
19284.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6524].text |
那食品管理工作的分支計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[6525].start |
19284.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6525].end |
19286.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6525].text |
叫食品檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6526].start |
19286.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6526].end |
19288.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6526].text |
只編列了一千兩百六十二點五萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].start |
19290.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].end |
19292.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].text |
食品安全風險管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].start |
19292.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].end |
19294.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].text |
更只有276.1萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].start |
19294.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].end |
19296.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].text |
這兩者加起來跟煤炫費差不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].start |
19296.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].end |
19298.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].text |
而且尾辦費也是年年增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[6531].start |
19298.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6531].end |
19300.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6531].text |
113年的11億8千萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].start |
19300.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].end |
19302.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].text |
到114年的14億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].start |
19302.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].end |
19304.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].text |
今年暴增一倍到29.95億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].start |
19308.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].end |
19310.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].text |
好所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].start |
19310.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].end |
19312.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].text |
讓人家看到的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6536].start |
19312.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6536].end |
19314.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6536].text |
這個錢是不是都花在宣傳和外包上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6537].start |
19314.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6537].end |
19316.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6537].text |
真正核心的工作經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].start |
19316.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].end |
19318.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].text |
卻只編了一點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6539].start |
19318.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6539].end |
19320.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6539].text |
你覺得這樣合理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].start |
19319.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].end |
19321.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6541].start |
19321.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6541].end |
19323.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6541].text |
因為這個不是裝修 |
| transcript.whisperx[6542].start |
19323.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6542].end |
19325.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6542].text |
這個是一個新建的大樓 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].start |
19325.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].end |
19327.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].text |
那你們建的多久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].start |
19327.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].end |
19329.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].text |
預計是在明年會完工 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].start |
19329.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].end |
19331.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].text |
總共建的多久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6546].start |
19331.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6546].end |
19333.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6546].text |
你們這個花了多久的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6547].start |
19333.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6547].end |
19335.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6547].text |
應該是四五年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6548].start |
19335.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6548].end |
19337.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6548].text |
三年四年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].start |
19337.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].end |
19339.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].text |
就是它是一個新的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6550].start |
19339.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6550].end |
19341.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6550].text |
新的building |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].start |
19341.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].end |
19343.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].text |
你看這整個食安大樓 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].start |
19343.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].end |
19345.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].text |
其實基本上前後用一用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6553].start |
19345.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6553].end |
19347.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6553].text |
十年燒了52億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6554].start |
19347.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6554].end |
19349.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6554].text |
那現在目前為止的檢驗量能都還掛零 |
| transcript.whisperx[6555].start |
19352.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6555].end |
19354.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6555].text |
這個新的大樓未來有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6556].start |
19354.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6556].end |
19356.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6556].text |
實驗室去擴充 |
| transcript.whisperx[6557].start |
19356.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6557].end |
19358.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6557].text |
對但是你搞了這麼久還掛零嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6558].start |
19358.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6558].end |
19360.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6558].text |
檢驗量能也掛零嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].start |
19360.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].end |
19362.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].text |
因為它還沒有完工 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].start |
19362.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].end |
19364.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].text |
部長大樓當然可以蓋 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].start |
19364.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].end |
19366.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].text |
實驗設備也必須更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[6562].start |
19366.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6562].end |
19368.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6562].text |
但是這個計畫做了15年花了數十億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].start |
19368.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].end |
19370.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].text |
那發生了重大食安事件之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6564].start |
19370.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6564].end |
19372.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6564].text |
中央到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].start |
19372.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].end |
19374.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].text |
讓人們感受的就是沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].start |
19374.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].end |
19376.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].text |
即時掌握問題批次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6567].start |
19376.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6567].end |
19378.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6567].text |
追查汙染源 |
| transcript.whisperx[6568].start |
19378.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6568].end |
19380.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6568].text |
甚至等了24天才要成立獨立的調查小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].start |
19380.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].end |
19382.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].text |
所以我們當然懷疑說你這些錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].start |
19382.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].end |
19384.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].text |
有沒有真正轉化成食品安全管理的能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].start |
19384.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].end |
19386.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].text |
不然怎麼會一路以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].start |
19386.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].end |
19388.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].text |
從過去的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].start |
19388.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].end |
19390.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].text |
蘇丹紅然後臭雞蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].start |
19390.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].end |
19392.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].text |
到現在這個致癌友 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].start |
19393.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].end |
19395.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].text |
而且當年連民進黨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].start |
19395.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].end |
19397.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].text |
彰花灌縣長都說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].start |
19397.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].end |
19399.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].text |
只要2億加一就可以有一棟 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].start |
19399.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].end |
19401.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].text |
食安大樓可以馬上啟用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].start |
19401.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].end |
19403.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].text |
所以你這棟搞到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].start |
19403.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].end |
19405.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].text |
這個計畫從2017年的前瞻預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].start |
19405.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].end |
19407.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].text |
到現在燒了十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].start |
19407.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].end |
19409.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].text |
那總統太上任又批 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].start |
19409.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].end |
19411.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].text |
又喊出編列74億大張旗鼓 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].start |
19411.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].end |
19413.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].text |
那到現在燒了52億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].start |
19413.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].end |
19415.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].text |
整個計畫從2017年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].start |
19415.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].end |
19417.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].text |
到現在十年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].start |
19417.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].end |
19419.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].text |
結果都沒有啟用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].start |
19419.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].end |
19421.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].text |
檢驗量能又是零 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].start |
19421.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].end |
19423.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].text |
所以這樣子的配置 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].start |
19422.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].end |
19424.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].text |
真的是讓人很擔憂啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].start |
19424.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].end |
19426.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].text |
然後發生事情之後就開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].start |
19426.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].end |
19428.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].text |
好像地方中央地方在推脫 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].start |
19428.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].end |
19430.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].text |
所以我要做一個結語啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].start |
19430.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].end |
19432.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].text |
我時間到了 移動食安大樓 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].start |
19432.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].end |
19434.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].text |
可以從2017年蓋到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].start |
19434.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].end |
19436.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].text |
還沒有完工前前後後要燒掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].start |
19436.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].end |
19438.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].text |
70億 現在檢驗量能增加多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].start |
19438.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].end |
19440.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].text |
是零 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].start |
19440.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].end |
19442.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].text |
是因為根本還沒有啟用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].start |
19442.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].end |
19444.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].text |
那我們這幾年大家看到什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].start |
19444.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].end |
19446.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].text |
從113年超過28萬公斤的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].start |
19446.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].end |
19448.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].text |
蘇丹紅色素的辣椒粉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].start |
19449.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].end |
19451.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].text |
然後食藥署的邊境查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].start |
19451.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].end |
19453.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].text |
一批都沒有攔下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].start |
19453.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].end |
19455.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].text |
最近怎麼報的 也不是食藥署查到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].start |
19455.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].end |
19457.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].text |
是民眾檢舉才報的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].start |
19457.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].end |
19459.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].text |
還是所謂的廠商自律找到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].start |
19459.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].end |
19461.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6609].start |
19461.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6609].end |
19463.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6609].text |
食安管理我們以為政府會痛定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6610].start |
19463.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6610].end |
19465.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6610].text |
食痛 但是民黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].start |
19465.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].end |
19467.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].text |
最喜歡說的要錢給錢 要人給人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].start |
19467.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].end |
19469.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].text |
那大手一筆編78億的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].start |
19469.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].end |
19471.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].text |
食安管理預算 好喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].start |
19471.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].end |
19473.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].text |
光是113年食安管理預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[6615].start |
19473.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6615].end |
19475.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6615].text |
也編了78億 但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].start |
19475.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].end |
19477.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].text |
我們到底換到了什麼 真的有做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].start |
19477.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].end |
19479.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].text |
大家平安心嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].start |
19478.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].end |
19480.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].text |
然後換了一套食品雲喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].start |
19480.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].end |
19482.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].text |
審計部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].start |
19482.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].end |
19484.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].text |
也說效益沒有辦法充分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].start |
19484.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].end |
19486.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].text |
發揮 換到非燈不可 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].start |
19486.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].end |
19488.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].text |
業者登錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].start |
19488.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].end |
19490.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].text |
該申報的一萬多家納管有落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].start |
19490.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].end |
19492.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].text |
然後換到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].start |
19492.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].end |
19494.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].text |
市售食品的後市場稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].start |
19495.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].end |
19497.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].text |
連年做 但是業者違規 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].start |
19497.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].end |
19499.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].text |
卻連年降不下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].start |
19500.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].end |
19502.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].text |
三套系統 三個花了錢沒效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].start |
19502.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].end |
19504.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].text |
而且不是今年才被點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].start |
19504.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].end |
19506.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].text |
是年年被點 年年沒有改 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].start |
19506.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].end |
19508.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].text |
所以我在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].start |
19508.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].end |
19510.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].text |
要充分表達人民對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].start |
19510.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].end |
19512.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].text |
政府在食安的不滿 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].start |
19512.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].end |
19514.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].text |
食安也不是預算數字的競賽 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].start |
19514.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].end |
19516.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].text |
是人民要吃下肚子的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].start |
19516.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].end |
19518.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].text |
要讓人民安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].start |
19518.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].end |
19520.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].text |
那錢逐年的增加 破口照樣的出 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].start |
19520.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].end |
19522.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].text |
地方檢驗出來就開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].start |
19522.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].end |
19524.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].text |
怪地方說為什麼要搶快 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].start |
19524.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].end |
19526.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].text |
我想這個行政院長的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].start |
19526.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].end |
19528.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].text |
可以看得出來現在執政黨的傲慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].start |
19528.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].end |
19530.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].text |
和無能 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].start |
19530.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].end |
19532.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].text |
跟委員簡單說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].start |
19532.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].end |
19534.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].text |
第一個這個食安大樓 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].start |
19534.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].end |
19536.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].text |
當然還沒有完工 我們預計是明年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].start |
19536.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].end |
19538.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].text |
他會完成 那整個檢驗量 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].start |
19538.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].end |
19540.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].text |
也會擴大 但是在這段 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].start |
19540.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].end |
19542.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].text |
期間我們的檢驗室 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].start |
19542.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].end |
19544.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].text |
也是持續在運作 所以這一次有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].start |
19544.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].end |
19546.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].text |
這麼多的這個檢體 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].start |
19546.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].end |
19548.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].text |
很多是我們的目前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].start |
19548.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].end |
19550.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].text |
實驗室在驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].start |
19550.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].end |
19552.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].text |
另外這個檢驗的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].start |
19552.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].end |
19554.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].text |
也分邊境 還有各個分區業務組 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].start |
19554.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].end |
19556.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].text |
所以不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].start |
19556.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].end |
19558.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].text |
剛剛我們看得到 所以要完全呈現 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].start |
19558.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].end |
19560.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].text |
把這個東西都念出來給大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].start |
19560.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].end |
19562.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].text |
我想這個社會自由公民 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].start |
19562.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].end |
19564.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].text |
另外那個調查小組其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].start |
19564.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].end |
19566.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].text |
做最後確認 我們之前就已經進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].start |
19566.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].end |
19568.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].text |
調查了 那昨天這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].start |
19568.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].end |
19570.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].text |
進場去做最後的確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].start |
19570.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].end |
19572.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].text |
所以到現在讓人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].start |
19572.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].end |
19574.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].text |
很擔心的就是這個最後確認的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].start |
19574.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].end |
19576.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].text |
更新到底在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].start |
19576.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].end |
19578.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].text |
還沒有辦法完全的確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].start |
19578.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].end |
19580.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].text |
報告的是 我們大概就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].start |
19580.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].end |
19582.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].text |
已經知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].start |
19582.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].end |
19584.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].text |
當然最後的報告的撰寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].start |
19584.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].end |
19586.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].text |
我們在這個禮拜會完成 不過目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].start |
19586.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].end |
19588.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].text |
我們了解的大概就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].start |
19588.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].end |
19590.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].text |
他的原料的品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].start |
19590.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].end |
19592.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].text |
不佳加上製程上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].start |
19592.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].end |
19594.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].text |
沒有進行調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].start |
19594.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].end |
19596.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].text |
我想縱然再多的這種解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].start |
19596.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].end |
19598.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].text |
食品安全就是要讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].start |
19598.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].end |
19600.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].text |
人民安心 這一段時間的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].start |
19600.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].end |
19602.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].text |
下來 我沒有看到人民更加安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].start |
19602.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].end |
19604.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].text |
只看到人民更加憤怒 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].start |
19604.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].end |
19606.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].text |
我們一定確保這個食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].start |
19606.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].end |
19608.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].text |
所以這個在上架 目前我們重新 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].start |
19608.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].end |
19610.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].text |
上架的都是我們檢驗過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].start |
19610.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].end |
19612.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].start |
19613.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].end |
19615.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].text |
接下來請黃秀芳委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].start |
19621.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].end |
19623.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].text |
謝謝主席 我們請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].start |
19623.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].end |
19625.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].text |
有請石崇良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].start |
19627.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].end |
19629.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].text |
部長辛苦了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].start |
19629.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].end |
19631.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].text |
部長 那個很多委員都關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].start |
19631.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].end |
19633.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].text |
就是說這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].start |
19633.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].end |
19635.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].text |
這個有發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].start |
19635.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].end |
19637.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].text |
有這個本評比的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].start |
19637.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].end |
19639.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].text |
有這樣的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].start |
19639.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].end |
19641.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].text |
那我在 我記得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].start |
19641.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].end |
19643.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].text |
我在上禮拜我有問過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].start |
19643.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].end |
19645.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].text |
到底是原料的問題還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].start |
19645.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].end |
19647.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].text |
製程的問題嗎 那你們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].start |
19647.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].end |
19649.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].text |
應該可以 剛剛部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].start |
19649.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].end |
19651.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].text |
這樣有回答就是說可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].start |
19651.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].end |
19653.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].text |
就是原料有問題 那再加上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].start |
19653.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].end |
19655.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].text |
製程的關係才會造成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].start |
19655.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].end |
19657.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].text |
有紙有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].start |
19657.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].end |
19659.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].text |
有本評比的這個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].start |
19659.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].end |
19661.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].text |
是這樣子嗎 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].start |
19661.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].end |
19663.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].text |
就是說它這一批的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].start |
19663.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].end |
19665.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].text |
這個原料本身就比較差 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].start |
19665.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].end |
19667.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].text |
它的品質就是比較差的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].start |
19667.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].end |
19669.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].text |
然後在製程當中呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].start |
19669.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].end |
19671.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].text |
它又沒有確保每一個都 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].start |
19671.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].end |
19673.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].text |
按照原本的SOP去執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].start |
19673.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].end |
19675.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].text |
所以造成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].start |
19675.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].end |
19677.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].text |
最後的這個本評比 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].start |
19679.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].end |
19681.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].text |
超高 而且它又沒有在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].start |
19681.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].end |
19683.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].text |
每一個管制點上去抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].start |
19683.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].end |
19685.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].text |
所以是只有中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].start |
19685.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].end |
19687.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].text |
是這個狀況嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].start |
19687.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].end |
19689.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].text |
那其他的這個油紙廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].start |
19689.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].end |
19691.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].text |
會不會也因為製程的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6718].start |
19691.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6718].end |
19693.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6718].text |
更改 我不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].start |
19693.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].end |
19695.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].text |
就是說你們應該也要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].start |
19695.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].end |
19697.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].text |
再針對其他的這個廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].start |
19697.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].end |
19699.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].text |
不只是中聯 那其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].start |
19699.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].end |
19701.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].text |
這個油紙廠 他們有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].start |
19701.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].end |
19703.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].text |
就是說也 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].start |
19703.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].end |
19705.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].text |
這個製程有一些改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].start |
19705.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].end |
19707.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].text |
那未來會產出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].start |
19707.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].end |
19709.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].text |
這些油紙也會有一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].start |
19709.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].end |
19711.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].text |
好 也跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].start |
19711.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].end |
19713.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].text |
這一次這個事件發生之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].start |
19713.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].end |
19715.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].text |
我們食藥署也去其他的廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].start |
19715.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].end |
19717.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].text |
也一起看了 包含這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].start |
19717.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].end |
19719.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].text |
其他的這個大同義 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].start |
19719.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].end |
19721.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].text |
台糖的廠也都去看 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].start |
19721.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].end |
19723.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].text |
然後這個製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].start |
19723.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].end |
19725.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].text |
也都有做一些確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].start |
19725.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].end |
19727.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].text |
那同時也要求它 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].start |
19727.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].end |
19729.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].text |
逐批檢驗才能出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].start |
19729.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].end |
19731.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].text |
所以立刻都已經做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].start |
19731.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].end |
19733.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].text |
這些調整 那麼至於 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].start |
19733.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].end |
19735.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].text |
未來我們在修法裡面也會要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].start |
19735.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].end |
19737.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].text |
正式的入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].start |
19737.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].end |
19739.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].text |
原料 這種高風險的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6742].start |
19739.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6742].end |
19741.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6742].text |
這個原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6743].start |
19741.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6743].end |
19743.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6743].text |
那麼要逐批檢驗原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6744].start |
19743.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6744].end |
19745.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6744].text |
然後再加上出貨的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].start |
19745.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].end |
19747.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].text |
也要逐批檢驗 大廠的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].start |
19747.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].end |
19749.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].text |
是這樣 那這個資訊呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6747].start |
19749.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6747].end |
19751.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6747].text |
資訊要怎麼讓你們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].start |
19751.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].end |
19753.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].text |
或者是要讓什麼樣的單位知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].start |
19753.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].end |
19755.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].text |
就是說如果萬一它又隱匿的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6750].start |
19755.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6750].end |
19757.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6750].text |
對於這個檢驗的結果的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].start |
19757.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].end |
19759.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].text |
它是要公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].start |
19759.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].end |
19761.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].text |
那第二個呢 我們會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].start |
19761.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].end |
19763.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].text |
把這一次會入法 檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].start |
19763.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].end |
19765.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].text |
本身也具有強制通報的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].start |
19765.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].end |
19767.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].text |
義務 責任要下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6756].start |
19767.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6756].end |
19769.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6756].text |
就是它不是交給這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].start |
19769.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].end |
19771.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].text |
業者 而是要把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].start |
19771.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].end |
19773.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].text |
檢驗報告 如果一發生有異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].start |
19773.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].end |
19775.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].text |
就要通報 傳上我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].start |
19775.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].end |
19777.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].text |
系統 讓主管機關知曉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].start |
19777.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].end |
19779.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].text |
好 那你們原本有三道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].start |
19779.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].end |
19781.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].text |
的這個檢驗的把關的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].start |
19781.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].end |
19783.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].text |
第一個是自主檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6764].start |
19783.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6764].end |
19785.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6764].text |
那剛剛部長有提到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].start |
19785.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].end |
19787.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].text |
自主檢驗如果有問題的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6766].start |
19787.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6766].end |
19789.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6766].text |
也是要公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[6767].start |
19789.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6767].end |
19791.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6767].text |
就是也要公開 然後通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6768].start |
19791.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6768].end |
19793.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6768].text |
在第一道的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].start |
19793.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].end |
19795.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].text |
自主檢驗的部分 我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].start |
19795.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].end |
19797.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].text |
要求會是這個自主檢驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].start |
19797.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].end |
19799.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].text |
實驗室也要經過主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].start |
19799.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].end |
19801.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].text |
的認證 確保它的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].start |
19801.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].end |
19803.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].text |
檢驗品質 那第二個呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].start |
19803.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].end |
19805.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].text |
它一旦發現檢驗的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].start |
19805.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].end |
19807.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].text |
有異常的 不符標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].start |
19807.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].end |
19809.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].text |
那麼它也要及時的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].start |
19809.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].end |
19811.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].text |
通報的義務 這個都把它寫到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].start |
19811.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].end |
19813.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].text |
修法裡面 這是第一道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].start |
19813.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].end |
19815.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].text |
那第二個部分就是說 委託外部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].start |
19815.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].end |
19817.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].text |
檢驗的部分 如果有問題的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].start |
19817.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].end |
19819.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].text |
也是要公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].start |
19819.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].end |
19821.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].text |
然後也是要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].start |
19821.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].end |
19823.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].text |
對 要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].start |
19823.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].end |
19825.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].text |
再來就是說後市場的抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].start |
19825.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].end |
19827.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].text |
我想請教就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].start |
19827.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].end |
19829.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].text |
其實我問了好幾個縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].start |
19829.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].end |
19831.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].text |
就是說後市場的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].start |
19831.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].end |
19833.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].text |
或者是油紙的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].start |
19833.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].end |
19835.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].text |
油紙廠的茶廠 其實地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].start |
19835.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].end |
19837.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].text |
政府也要負很大的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].start |
19837.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].end |
19839.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].text |
那既然有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].start |
19839.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].end |
19841.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].text |
有的縣市政府它可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].start |
19841.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].end |
19843.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].text |
這個幾年當中可以驗十幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].start |
19843.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].end |
19845.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].text |
那有的縣市政府可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].start |
19845.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].end |
19847.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].text |
這個四五年當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].start |
19847.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].end |
19849.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].text |
可能連一次都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].start |
19849.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].end |
19851.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].text |
像類似的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].start |
19851.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].end |
19853.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].text |
那未來有沒有可能就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].start |
19853.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].end |
19855.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].text |
中央跟地方要怎麼去分工 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].start |
19855.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].end |
19857.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].text |
就是說茶廠的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].start |
19857.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].end |
19859.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].text |
到底是要歸屬中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].start |
19859.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].end |
19861.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].text |
或者是歸屬地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].start |
19861.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].end |
19863.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].text |
那如果是歸屬地方的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].start |
19863.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].end |
19865.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].text |
你們會要求就是說幾年內 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].start |
19865.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].end |
19867.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].text |
要茶廠幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].start |
19867.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].end |
19869.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].text |
這個未來會不會有做這樣的一個要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].start |
19869.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].end |
19871.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].text |
好 跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].start |
19871.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].end |
19873.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].text |
第三道的防線就是在主管機關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].start |
19873.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].end |
19875.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].text |
稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].start |
19875.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].end |
19877.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].text |
其實是分兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].start |
19877.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].end |
19879.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].text |
一個是後市場的抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].start |
19879.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].end |
19881.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].text |
一個是茶廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].start |
19881.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].end |
19883.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].text |
所以還是有茶廠就是像 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].start |
19883.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].end |
19885.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].text |
委員所秀出的四十一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].start |
19885.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].end |
19887.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].text |
其實第一款就是要進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].start |
19887.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].end |
19889.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].text |
廠區去做茶廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].start |
19889.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].end |
19891.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].text |
集合檢驗抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].start |
19891.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].end |
19893.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].text |
所以這個是法裡面已經有訂了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].start |
19893.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].end |
19895.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].text |
那麼只是說我們過去的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].start |
19895.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].end |
19897.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].text |
是分兩個 一個是地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].start |
19897.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].end |
19899.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].text |
自己依照它的產業屬性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].start |
19899.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].end |
19901.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].text |
去做茶廠跟抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].start |
19901.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].end |
19903.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].text |
去做茶廠跟抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].start |
19903.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].end |
19905.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].text |
所以現場是對全國性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].start |
19905.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].end |
19907.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].text |
訂一個專案稽查的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].start |
19907.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].end |
19909.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].text |
每年會請各縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].start |
19909.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].end |
19911.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].text |
衛生局去配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].start |
19911.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].end |
19913.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].text |
那未來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].start |
19913.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].end |
19915.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].text |
有專案的話請縣市政府配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].start |
19915.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].end |
19917.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].text |
那如果沒有專案的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].start |
19917.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].end |
19919.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].text |
縣市政府他們就自己去查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].start |
19919.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].end |
19921.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].text |
自己去執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].start |
19921.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].end |
19923.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].text |
因為有的地方的產業屬性是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].start |
19923.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].end |
19925.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].text |
他們有自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].start |
19925.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].end |
19927.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].text |
或者是你們有規定就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].start |
19927.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].end |
19929.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].text |
要茶廠幾次的這樣的一個規定嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].start |
19929.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].end |
19931.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].text |
當然沒有特別的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].start |
19931.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].end |
19933.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].text |
但是產業屬性是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6839].start |
19933.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6839].end |
19935.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6839].text |
那像比如說像這個掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[6840].start |
19935.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6840].end |
19937.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6840].text |
全國的這些油品的上游 |
| transcript.whisperx[6841].start |
19937.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6841].end |
19939.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6841].text |
就是這幾家而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[6842].start |
19939.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6842].end |
19941.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6842].text |
所以這幾家的這個縣市主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6843].start |
19941.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6843].end |
19943.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6843].text |
就應該把它列入到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6844].start |
19943.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6844].end |
19945.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6844].text |
它的比較高風險的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6845].start |
19945.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6845].end |
19947.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6845].text |
以前還沒發生這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6846].start |
19947.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6846].end |
19949.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6846].text |
以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[6847].start |
19949.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6847].end |
19951.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6847].text |
你們有去統計就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6848].start |
19951.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6848].end |
19953.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6848].text |
各縣市政府有針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6849].start |
19953.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6849].end |
19955.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6849].text |
這樣子的那個茶廠到底是幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6850].start |
19955.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6850].end |
19957.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6850].text |
我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6851].start |
19957.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6851].end |
19959.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6851].text |
中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6852].start |
19959.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6852].end |
19961.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6852].text |
應該要一起合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[6853].start |
19961.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6853].end |
19963.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6853].text |
而不是事情發生之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6854].start |
19963.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6854].end |
19965.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6854].text |
可能地方政府會覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6855].start |
19965.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6855].end |
19967.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6855].text |
這個是中央的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6856].start |
19967.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6856].end |
19969.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6856].text |
那中央會覺得說那你就是需要去查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[6857].start |
19969.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6857].end |
19971.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6857].text |
那像這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6858].start |
19971.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6858].end |
19973.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6858].text |
未來如果我們在修法的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6859].start |
19973.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6859].end |
19975.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6859].text |
有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6860].start |
19975.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6860].end |
19977.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6860].text |
這樣的問題是要歸屬地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6861].start |
19977.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6861].end |
19979.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6861].text |
或中央或者是中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6862].start |
19979.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6862].end |
19981.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6862].text |
是要一起合作的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6863].start |
19981.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6863].end |
19983.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6863].text |
這個我們在修法裡面會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6864].start |
19983.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6864].end |
19985.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6864].text |
修訂這個41條 |
| transcript.whisperx[6865].start |
19985.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6865].end |
19987.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6865].text |
讓它更清楚的分工 |
| transcript.whisperx[6866].start |
19987.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6866].end |
19989.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6866].text |
所以這個中央的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6867].start |
19989.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6867].end |
19991.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6867].text |
是針對重大 |
| transcript.whisperx[6868].start |
19991.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6868].end |
19993.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6868].text |
或者是突發性的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6869].start |
19993.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6869].end |
19995.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6869].text |
那麼或者是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6870].start |
19995.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6870].end |
19997.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6870].text |
高度的疑慮的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6871].start |
19997.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6871].end |
19999.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6871].text |
那麼由中央來組 |
| transcript.whisperx[6872].start |
19999.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6872].end |
20001.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6872].text |
那麼其餘的就回歸到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6873].start |
20001.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6873].end |
20003.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6873].text |
這個地方的日常管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6874].start |
20003.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6874].end |
20005.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6874].text |
那個常規的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6875].start |
20005.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6875].end |
20007.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6875].text |
那如果地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6876].start |
20007.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6876].end |
20009.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6876].text |
它也像有的縣市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[6877].start |
20009.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6877].end |
20011.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6877].text |
它的好幾年也都連一次都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6878].start |
20011.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6878].end |
20013.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6878].text |
那類似這樣的一個狀況的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6879].start |
20013.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6879].end |
20015.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6879].text |
那你們要怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6880].start |
20015.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6880].end |
20017.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6880].text |
他們這個查場的這些記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[6881].start |
20017.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6881].end |
20019.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6881].text |
什麼都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6882].start |
20019.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6882].end |
20021.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6882].text |
我們會收集 那現在你們有這樣的記錄嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6883].start |
20021.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6883].end |
20023.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6883].text |
我們現在是有知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6884].start |
20023.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6884].end |
20025.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6884].text |
各縣市的配合中央專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6885].start |
20025.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6885].end |
20027.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6885].text |
或自行抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6886].start |
20027.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6886].end |
20029.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6886].text |
或查場的次數 |
| transcript.whisperx[6887].start |
20029.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6887].end |
20031.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6887].text |
這個是我們有統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[6888].start |
20031.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6888].end |
20033.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6888].text |
各縣市都有 好那近五年內 |
| transcript.whisperx[6889].start |
20033.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6889].end |
20035.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6889].text |
這些有指所在地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6890].start |
20035.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6890].end |
20037.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6890].text |
這個縣市政府他們查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[6891].start |
20037.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6891].end |
20039.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6891].text |
總共幾次你們可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6892].start |
20039.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6892].end |
20041.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6892].text |
現在就可以說出來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6893].start |
20041.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6893].end |
20043.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6893].text |
可以如果是從111年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6894].start |
20043.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6894].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[6894].text |
到115年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6895].start |
20045.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6895].end |
20047.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6895].text |
6月底為止的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6896].start |
20047.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6896].end |
20049.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6896].text |
那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6897].start |
20049.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6897].end |
20051.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6897].text |
有一個全國的統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[6898].start |
20051.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6898].end |
20053.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6898].text |
這個是各縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[6899].start |
20053.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6899].end |
20055.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6899].text |
我們有各縣市的統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[6900].start |
20055.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6900].end |
20057.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6900].text |
這個詳細的資料我們可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6901].start |
20057.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6901].end |
20059.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6901].text |
再提供給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6902].start |
20059.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6902].end |
20061.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6902].text |
你會後再提供給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6903].start |
20061.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6903].end |
20063.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6903].text |
各縣市我們都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6904].start |
20063.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6904].end |
20065.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6904].text |
是 所以我覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6905].start |
20065.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6905].end |
20067.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6905].text |
這個食安出現問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6906].start |
20067.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6906].end |
20069.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6906].text |
其實就是中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6907].start |
20069.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6907].end |
20071.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6907].text |
要一起配合一起合作的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6908].start |
20071.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6908].end |
20073.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6908].text |
一起要共同來分擔負擔的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6909].start |
20073.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6909].end |
20075.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6909].text |
因為不是地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6910].start |
20075.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6910].end |
20077.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6910].text |
也不是中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[6911].start |
20077.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6911].end |
20079.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6911].text |
應該是要通力合作的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6912].start |
20079.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6912].end |
20081.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6912].text |
地方在查場或在後市場端 |
| transcript.whisperx[6913].start |
20081.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6913].end |
20083.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6913].text |
遇到什麼樣的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6914].start |
20083.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6914].end |
20085.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6914].text |
需要中央這邊來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[6915].start |
20085.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6915].end |
20087.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6915].text |
我覺得中央應該也會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6916].start |
20087.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6916].end |
20089.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6916].text |
很樂意要來協助地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6917].start |
20089.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6917].end |
20091.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6917].text |
來處理這樣的一個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6918].start |
20091.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6918].end |
20093.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6918].text |
所以其實我在最近有聽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6919].start |
20093.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6919].end |
20095.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6919].text |
有一些地方政府會覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6920].start |
20095.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6920].end |
20097.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6920].text |
這個查場或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6921].start |
20097.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6921].end |
20099.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6921].text |
後市場的抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6922].start |
20099.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6922].end |
20101.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6922].text |
都是地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[6923].start |
20101.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6923].end |
20103.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6923].text |
這個地方政府自己的衛生單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[6924].start |
20103.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6924].end |
20105.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6924].text |
就自己這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6925].start |
20105.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6925].end |
20107.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6925].text |
所以我覺得說應該也要落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6926].start |
20107.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6926].end |
20109.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6926].text |
就是有的縣市政府沒有落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6927].start |
20109.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6927].end |
20111.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6927].text |
所以應該也是要去落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6928].start |
20111.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6928].end |
20113.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6928].text |
這個查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[6929].start |
20113.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6929].end |
20115.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6929].text |
或者是後市場的一個檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6930].start |
20115.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6930].end |
20117.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6930].text |
對 完全正確 |
| transcript.whisperx[6931].start |
20117.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6931].end |
20119.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6931].text |
就是說只有中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6932].start |
20119.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6932].end |
20121.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6932].text |
密切的合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[6933].start |
20121.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6933].end |
20123.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6933].text |
才能夠真正為食安保關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6934].start |
20123.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6934].end |
20125.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6934].text |
對 好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6935].start |
20125.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6935].end |
20127.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6935].text |
這個部長我再請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6936].start |
20127.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6936].end |
20129.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6936].text |
就是說這個食安辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6937].start |
20129.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6937].end |
20131.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6937].text |
其實我覺得這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6938].start |
20131.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6938].end |
20133.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6938].text |
發生到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6939].start |
20133.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6939].end |
20135.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6939].text |
我都覺得食安辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6940].start |
20135.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6940].end |
20137.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6940].text |
你的角色到底是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6941].start |
20140.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6941].end |
20142.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6941].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6942].start |
20142.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6942].end |
20144.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6942].text |
就假設有涉及 |
| transcript.whisperx[6943].start |
20144.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6943].end |
20146.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6943].text |
跨部會的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[6944].start |
20146.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6944].end |
20148.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6944].text |
然後還有第二個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6945].start |
20148.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6945].end |
20150.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6945].text |
像說我們這一次的案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6946].start |
20150.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6946].end |
20152.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6946].text |
我們很快第二天 |
| transcript.whisperx[6947].start |
20152.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6947].end |
20154.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6947].text |
就啟動跟法務部的平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].start |
20154.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].end |
20156.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].text |
然後進到裡面去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].start |
20156.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].end |
20158.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].text |
然後後來大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].start |
20158.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].end |
20160.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].text |
院裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].start |
20160.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].end |
20162.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].text |
開始開會是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].start |
20162.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].end |
20164.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].text |
從禮拜五跟下禮拜一 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].start |
20164.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].end |
20166.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].text |
然後就會開始參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].start |
20166.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].end |
20168.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].text |
那現在已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].start |
20168.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].end |
20170.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].text |
三周 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].start |
20170.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].end |
20172.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].text |
YOLO |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].start |
20171.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].end |
20173.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].text |
就是依食安法的法律的授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].start |
20173.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].end |
20175.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].text |
當然是部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].start |
20175.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].end |
20177.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].text |
那假如有涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].start |
20177.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].end |
20179.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].text |
跨部會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].start |
20179.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].end |
20181.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].text |
或是要更高層次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].start |
20181.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].end |
20183.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].text |
要去 舉例上來講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].start |
20183.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].end |
20185.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].text |
我們從第一天開始就7月 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].start |
20186.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].end |
20188.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].text |
一日開始通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].start |
20188.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].end |
20190.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].text |
然後跟聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].start |
20190.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].end |
20192.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].text |
好比說跟教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].start |
20192.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].end |
20194.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].text |
都是從7月初一就開始了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6968].start |
20194.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6968].end |
20196.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6968].text |
那我們就得要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6969].start |
20196.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6969].end |
20198.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6969].text |
協助跨部會的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6970].start |
20198.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6970].end |
20200.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6970].text |
食安辦的角色是跨部會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6971].start |
20200.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6971].end |
20202.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6971].text |
跨部會的協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].start |
20202.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].end |
20204.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].text |
去國軍教育部這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].start |
20204.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].end |
20206.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].text |
那衛福部不是也是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6974].start |
20206.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6974].end |
20208.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6974].text |
做跨部會的協調嗎 部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].start |
20209.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].end |
20211.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].text |
對 但是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].start |
20211.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].end |
20213.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].text |
跨部會的我們也會透過食安辦來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[6977].start |
20213.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6977].end |
20215.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6977].text |
有些像這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].start |
20215.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].end |
20217.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].text |
這個關於退貨的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6979].start |
20217.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6979].end |
20219.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6979].text |
那可能就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].start |
20219.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].end |
20221.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].text |
讓經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].start |
20221.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].end |
20223.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].text |
讓行政院消保處來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[6982].start |
20223.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6982].end |
20225.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6982].text |
那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].start |
20225.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].end |
20227.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].start |
20227.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].end |
20229.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].text |
學校的團散 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].start |
20229.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].end |
20231.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].text |
那就要透過教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].start |
20231.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].end |
20233.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].text |
去做盤查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].start |
20233.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].end |
20235.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].text |
那麼有的是會到軍隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].start |
20235.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].end |
20237.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].text |
那就要透過國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].start |
20237.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].end |
20239.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].text |
像這個案子我們認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].start |
20239.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].end |
20241.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].text |
這個涉及到這些隱匿 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].start |
20241.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].end |
20243.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].text |
還有一些刑事的責任的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].start |
20243.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].end |
20245.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].text |
那就由法務部來介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].start |
20245.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].end |
20247.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].text |
好 我也希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].start |
20247.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].end |
20249.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].text |
每一次發生食品安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].start |
20249.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].end |
20251.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].text |
這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].start |
20251.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].end |
20253.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].text |
為什麼會有食安辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].start |
20253.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].end |
20255.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].text |
那就是因為之前這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].start |
20255.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].end |
20257.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].text |
食品有問題才會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].start |
20257.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].end |
20259.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].text |
這樣的食安辦的一個成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].start |
20259.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].end |
20261.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].text |
那這樣子的話因為應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].start |
20261.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].end |
20263.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].text |
這個食安辦應該是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].start |
20263.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].end |
20265.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].text |
發揮更大的一個角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].start |
20265.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].end |
20267.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].text |
的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].start |
20267.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].end |
20269.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].text |
應該在前端的時候應該你們就要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].start |
20269.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].end |
20271.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].text |
發揮最大的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].start |
20271.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].end |
20273.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].text |
因為我覺得這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].start |
20273.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].end |
20275.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].text |
這個有指的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].start |
20275.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].end |
20277.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].text |
問題產生我就一直看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].start |
20277.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].end |
20279.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].text |
衛福部食藥署那食安辦的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].start |
20279.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].end |
20281.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].text |
角色到底在哪裡我都覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].start |
20281.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].end |
20283.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].text |
存疑啦那到底有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].start |
20283.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].end |
20285.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].text |
這個食安辦存在的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].start |
20285.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].end |
20287.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].text |
我都覺得真的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].start |
20287.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].end |
20289.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].text |
我覺得應該可以再發揮 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].start |
20289.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].end |
20291.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].text |
更大的這個功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].start |
20291.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].end |
20293.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].text |
讓這個食品安全應該在你們這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].start |
20293.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].end |
20295.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].text |
就可以處理好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].start |
20295.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].end |
20297.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].text |
是不是未來應該也是要這樣子啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].start |
20297.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].end |
20299.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].start |
20299.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].end |
20301.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].text |
我們未來一直都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].start |
20301.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].end |
20303.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].text |
很密切的在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].start |
20303.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].end |
20305.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].text |
聯繫我們都是一有這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].start |
20305.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].end |
20307.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].text |
通報我們也會往上通報到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].start |
20307.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].end |
20309.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].text |
食安辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].start |
20309.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].end |
20311.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].text |
我們希望說不要再有下一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].start |
20311.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].end |
20313.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].text |
就是任何的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].start |
20313.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].end |
20315.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].text |
發生問題因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].start |
20315.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].end |
20317.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].text |
食品安全是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].start |
20317.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].end |
20319.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].text |
所有國人最關心的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].start |
20319.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].end |
20321.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].text |
所以我們也希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].start |
20321.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].end |
20323.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].text |
未來如果修法的話應該要把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].start |
20323.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].end |
20325.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].text |
修得更完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].start |
20325.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].end |
20327.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].text |
然後中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].start |
20327.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].end |
20329.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].text |
這個協作的合作的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].start |
20329.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].end |
20331.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].text |
應該也要把它寫清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].start |
20331.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].end |
20333.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].text |
好不好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].start |
20333.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].end |
20335.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].start |
20345.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].end |
20347.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].text |
好接下來請盧憲益章偉 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].start |
20352.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].end |
20354.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].text |
謝謝主席有請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].start |
20358.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].end |
20360.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].start |
20388.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].end |
20390.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].text |
專家委員進入到廠區去做最後的確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].start |
20390.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].end |
20392.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].text |
在這個報告這個禮拜就完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].start |
20392.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].end |
20394.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].text |
一個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].start |
20394.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].end |
20396.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].text |
那流向的追蹤跟食品的追溯 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].start |
20396.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].end |
20398.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].text |
系統的效能呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].start |
20398.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].end |
20400.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].text |
這個我們當然我們現在的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].start |
20400.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].end |
20402.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].text |
非追不可 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].start |
20402.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].end |
20404.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].text |
登記是以 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].start |
20404.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].end |
20406.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].text |
製造業為主 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].start |
20406.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].end |
20408.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].text |
就沒有擴及到販售端 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].start |
20408.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].end |
20410.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].text |
那未來我們會對這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].start |
20410.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].end |
20412.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].text |
比較高風險的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].start |
20412.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].end |
20414.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].text |
食品營的這個追蹤我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].start |
20414.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].end |
20416.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].text |
把它擴大到這個販售端 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].start |
20416.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].end |
20418.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].text |
這個可以協助我們掌握的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7056].start |
20418.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7056].end |
20420.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7056].text |
更清楚那我們目前是以 |
| transcript.whisperx[7057].start |
20420.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7057].end |
20422.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7057].text |
製造業為主 |
| transcript.whisperx[7058].start |
20422.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7058].end |
20424.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7058].text |
像看到就是說中聯申包29P |
| transcript.whisperx[7059].start |
20424.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7059].end |
20426.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7059].text |
可是地方政府卻到查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7060].start |
20426.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7060].end |
20428.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7060].text |
說第三十P的這個漏報 |
| transcript.whisperx[7061].start |
20428.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7061].end |
20430.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7061].text |
你覺得這個問題是出在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7062].start |
20431.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7062].end |
20433.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7062].text |
就是最後這一批是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7063].start |
20433.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7063].end |
20435.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7063].text |
這個業者還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7064].start |
20435.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7064].end |
20437.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7064].text |
這個營利啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7065].start |
20437.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7065].end |
20439.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7065].text |
所以我們後來又加罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[7066].start |
20439.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7066].end |
20441.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7066].text |
行政法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[7067].start |
20441.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7067].end |
20443.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7067].text |
責任跟跨部會的銜接這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].start |
20443.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].end |
20445.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].text |
你覺得在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].start |
20445.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].end |
20447.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].text |
目前大家的紛紛擾擾講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7070].start |
20447.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7070].end |
20449.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7070].text |
行政院長道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].start |
20449.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].end |
20451.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].text |
部長下台這個部分你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].start |
20451.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].end |
20453.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].text |
看法是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].start |
20453.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].end |
20455.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].text |
當然我們現在就如同跟委員說明的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7074].start |
20455.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7074].end |
20457.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7074].text |
就是我們目前最重要的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[7075].start |
20457.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7075].end |
20459.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7075].text |
就是趕快讓這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].start |
20459.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].end |
20461.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].text |
這個事件弄清楚然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].start |
20461.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].end |
20463.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].text |
該修的法律我們趕快進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[7078].start |
20463.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7078].end |
20465.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7078].text |
把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].start |
20465.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].end |
20467.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].text |
該修訂的辦法也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].start |
20467.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].end |
20469.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].text |
或者是母法要修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].start |
20469.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].end |
20471.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].text |
趕快完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].start |
20471.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].end |
20473.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].text |
希望能夠在一個月能夠看到行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].start |
20473.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].end |
20475.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].text |
責任的檢討報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].start |
20475.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].end |
20477.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].text |
如果說一直覺得說是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].start |
20477.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].end |
20479.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].text |
執政黨的傲慢這個部分我覺得你 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].start |
20479.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].end |
20481.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].text |
應該是承擔不起所以想說一個月內 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].start |
20481.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].end |
20483.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].text |
是不是可以提供一些你們確實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].start |
20483.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].end |
20485.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].text |
一個監管的疏失 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].start |
20485.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].end |
20487.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].text |
這部分的報告可以看到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].start |
20488.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].end |
20490.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].text |
好我們當然這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].start |
20490.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].end |
20492.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].text |
我們第一步的會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].start |
20492.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].end |
20494.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].text |
針對這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].start |
20494.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].end |
20496.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].text |
尤品這個為什麼會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].start |
20496.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].end |
20498.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].text |
讓他超標這個事件的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].start |
20498.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].end |
20500.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].text |
這個中聯這個案子我們會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].start |
20500.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].end |
20502.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].text |
有完整的報告那麼調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].start |
20502.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].end |
20504.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].text |
的結果是如何呈現出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].start |
20504.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].end |
20506.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].text |
那至於在後續的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].start |
20506.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].end |
20508.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].text |
這個行政責任的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].start |
20508.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].end |
20510.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].text |
這個追 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].start |
20510.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].end |
20512.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].text |
這個追究的部分我們也會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].start |
20512.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].end |
20514.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].text |
依法來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].start |
20513.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].end |
20515.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].text |
至於修法的部分會請 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].start |
20515.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].end |
20517.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].text |
史耀史先說明一下嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].start |
20517.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].end |
20519.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].text |
修法的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].start |
20519.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].end |
20521.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].text |
修法我們大概把它有十個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].start |
20521.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].end |
20523.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].text |
重點會從源頭一直到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].start |
20523.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].end |
20525.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].text |
這個下端 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].start |
20525.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].end |
20527.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].text |
的這個應變的處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].start |
20527.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].end |
20529.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].text |
那麼在這個源頭的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].start |
20529.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].end |
20531.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].text |
我們會針對這個比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].start |
20531.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].end |
20533.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].text |
高風險的這個食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].start |
20533.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].end |
20535.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].text |
原料的部分就要逐批 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].start |
20535.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].end |
20537.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].text |
檢驗這從源頭就開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[7115].start |
20537.87 |
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那麼有 |
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20541.87 |
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製程的變更也需要 |
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20541.87 |
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20543.87 |
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做試制 |
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20545.87 |
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要先有試驗做過 |
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然後檢驗那麼都合格 |
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20549.87 |
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那麼才開始做這個是 |
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20549.87 |
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20551.87 |
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高風險從源頭上我們就 |
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20551.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].end |
20553.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].text |
做處理那麼從製程 |
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20553.87 |
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20555.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7123].text |
上我們也會強化 |
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20555.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].end |
20557.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].text |
在HACCP剛剛委員 |
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20557.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7125].end |
20559.87 |
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也都就叫了在HACCP |
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20559.87 |
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20561.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7126].text |
對這個製程 |
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20563.87 |
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的確認也要包含 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7128].end |
20565.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7128].text |
有抽驗 |
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20567.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7129].text |
那麼來確定那麼 |
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20567.87 |
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20569.87 |
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他的這個爐這個 |
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20569.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].end |
20571.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].text |
品質爐質這些我們也會做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7132].end |
20573.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].text |
那麼另外在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7133].end |
20575.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7133].text |
這個三級的 |
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20575.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].end |
20577.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].text |
品管那麼也會去強化 |
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20577.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].end |
20579.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].text |
相關的檢驗 |
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20579.87 |
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20581.87 |
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式的品質的認證 |
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20581.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7137].end |
20583.87 |
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要中國主管機關的認證 |
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20583.87 |
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20585.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7138].text |
通報的部分也有 |
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20585.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].end |
20587.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].text |
通報義務的強化 |
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20587.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7140].end |
20589.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7140].text |
包含實驗室也要通報 |
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20589.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7141].end |
20591.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7141].text |
第三方的認證單位也要通報 |
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20591.87 |
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20593.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7142].text |
都把這個通報的義務 |
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20593.87 |
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20595.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7143].text |
那麼納進去那麼如果 |
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20595.87 |
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20597.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7144].text |
隱匿或者是沒有 |
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20597.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7145].end |
20599.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7145].text |
如期的通報那麼他的 |
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20599.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7146].end |
20601.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7146].text |
這個罰則我們也把它提高了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7147].start |
20601.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7147].end |
20603.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7147].text |
那後端 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7148].end |
20605.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7148].text |
當然還包含我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7149].start |
20605.87 |
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20607.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7149].text |
這個這個 |
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20607.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7150].end |
20609.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7150].text |
權責的部分我們也會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7151].start |
20609.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7151].end |
20611.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7151].text |
有這個這個把它 |
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20611.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7152].end |
20613.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7152].text |
做一些釐清那麼包含何時 |
| transcript.whisperx[7153].start |
20613.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7153].end |
20615.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7153].text |
成立這個中央 |
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20615.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7154].end |
20617.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7154].text |
的這個食安 |
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20617.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7155].end |
20619.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7155].text |
事件的應變中心也 |
| transcript.whisperx[7156].start |
20619.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7156].end |
20621.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7156].text |
讓他授權無法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7157].start |
20621.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7157].end |
20623.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7157].text |
來訂定那當然還有後面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7158].start |
20623.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7158].end |
20625.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7158].text |
一些這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7159].start |
20627.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7159].end |
20629.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7159].text |
這個罰則啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7160].start |
20629.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7160].end |
20631.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7160].text |
或者是這個食安基金的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7161].start |
20631.17 |
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20633.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7161].text |
還有這個這個 |
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20633.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7162].end |
20635.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7162].text |
處罰的時候的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7163].start |
20635.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7163].end |
20637.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7163].text |
保全這些 |
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20637.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7164].end |
20639.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7164].text |
確保這個罰金不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7165].start |
20639.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7165].end |
20641.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7165].text |
因為讓他脫禪那這些的話 |
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20641.17 |
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20643.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7166].text |
都在這一次的修法裡面 |
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20643.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].end |
20645.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].text |
大概有十個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].start |
20645.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].end |
20647.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].text |
我想知道說消保處已經 |
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20647.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7169].end |
20649.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7169].text |
啟動團體訴訟那團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].start |
20649.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].end |
20651.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].text |
訴訟收件的起屈時間是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].start |
20651.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].end |
20653.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].text |
時候你大概有掌握嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].start |
20653.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].end |
20655.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].text |
我是不是可以麻煩 |
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20655.63 |
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20657.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7173].text |
行政院那個消保處來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].start |
20657.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].end |
20659.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].text |
做補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].start |
20659.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].end |
20661.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].text |
委員好跟委員報告 |
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20661.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].end |
20663.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].text |
因為昨天這兩個消保團體都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].start |
20663.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].end |
20665.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].text |
做開記者會然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].start |
20665.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].end |
20667.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].text |
跟對外公布說他們要啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].start |
20667.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].end |
20669.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].text |
所以他們現在網站上已經可以開始登記了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].start |
20669.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].end |
20671.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].text |
好謝謝 |
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20671.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].end |
20673.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].text |
現在就可以了對可以上網上登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].start |
20673.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].end |
20675.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].text |
他有個對Line嗎有沒有所謂的截止時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].start |
20675.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].end |
20677.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].start |
20677.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].end |
20679.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].text |
那個那個台銷會應該是到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].start |
20679.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].end |
20681.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].text |
台銷會是到十月底 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].start |
20681.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].end |
20683.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].text |
但是我們會看情形再跟他們繼續持續 |
| transcript.whisperx[7187].start |
20683.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7187].end |
20685.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7187].text |
保持聯繫好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].start |
20685.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].end |
20687.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].text |
請教育部跟國防部說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].start |
20687.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].end |
20689.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].text |
最近有多少學校跟幼兒園 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].start |
20689.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].end |
20691.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].text |
其實當中曾經實際提供工餐的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].start |
20693.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].end |
20695.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].text |
還有市集多少學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].start |
20695.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].end |
20697.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].text |
教職員官兵這些是不是有主意通知到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].start |
20707.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].end |
20709.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].text |
委員好國防部針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].start |
20709.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].end |
20711.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].text |
這次的一個使用遊的部分 |
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20711.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].end |
20713.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].text |
那我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].start |
20713.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].end |
20715.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].text |
第一時間就依據整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].start |
20715.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].end |
20717.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].text |
衛福部公布的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].start |
20717.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].end |
20719.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].text |
做了全面的清查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].start |
20719.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].end |
20721.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].text |
那我們清查屬於那個不合格遊品 |
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20721.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].end |
20723.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].text |
的部分就一項 |
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20723.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].end |
20725.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].text |
那我們清查是有29個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].start |
20725.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].end |
20727.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].text |
這個伙食團有用到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].start |
20727.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].end |
20729.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].text |
那其實我們整個 |
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20729.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].end |
20731.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].text |
在回收的部分 |
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20731.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].end |
20733.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].text |
總共我們這個 |
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20733.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].end |
20735.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].text |
福州的健胃箱有總共是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].start |
20735.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].end |
20737.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].text |
104桶總共312公升 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].start |
20737.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].end |
20739.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].text |
其實我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].start |
20739.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].end |
20741.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].text |
在第一時間就已經回收 |
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20741.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].end |
20743.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].text |
然後回收了260公升 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].start |
20743.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].end |
20745.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].text |
那針對這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].start |
20745.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].end |
20747.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].text |
伙食團有用到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].start |
20747.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].end |
20749.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].text |
問題遊的部分 |
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20749.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].end |
20751.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].text |
那我們也請單位 |
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20751.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].end |
20753.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].text |
掌握官兵的目前的一個狀況 |
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20753.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].end |
20755.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].text |
那目前官兵是還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].start |
20755.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].end |
20757.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].text |
任何的一個健康的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].start |
20757.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].end |
20759.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].text |
疑慮狀況那我們會持續掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].start |
20759.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].end |
20761.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].text |
以上報告請學校說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].start |
20761.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].end |
20763.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].start |
20763.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].end |
20765.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].start |
20765.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].end |
20767.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].text |
那這部這個部分呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].start |
20767.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].end |
20771.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].text |
截至115年7月20號為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].start |
20771.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].end |
20773.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].text |
實際遊品的部分呢 |
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20773.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7225].end |
20775.03 |
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是有7個縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].start |
20775.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].end |
20777.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].text |
528校曾經使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].start |
20777.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].end |
20779.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].text |
那針對食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].start |
20779.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].end |
20781.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].text |
後面持續更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].start |
20781.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].end |
20783.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].text |
就是那個公布的受影響的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].start |
20783.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].end |
20785.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].text |
那個產品那個部分 |
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20785.03 |
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20787.03 |
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目前清查出來疑似 |
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20787.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].end |
20789.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].text |
有涉及20個縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].start |
20789.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].end |
20791.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].text |
861校 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].start |
20791.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].end |
20795.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].text |
然後還有334所幼兒園 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].start |
20795.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].end |
20797.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].text |
這個是第二層有那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].start |
20797.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].end |
20799.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].text |
相關產品的部分 |
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20799.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].end |
20801.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].text |
那目前全部都是請學校 |
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20801.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].end |
20803.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].text |
立即停止使用並且下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].start |
20803.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].end |
20805.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].start |
20805.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].end |
20807.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].text |
那所以我還是請衛福部能夠提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].start |
20807.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].end |
20809.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].text |
一個一夜市的健康風險說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].start |
20809.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].end |
20811.03 |
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比如說讓消費者或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].start |
20811.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].end |
20813.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].text |
家長或者是曾經使用的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].start |
20813.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].end |
20815.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].text |
可以去看就是說 |
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20815.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].end |
20817.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].text |
他長期使用那個風險的差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].start |
20817.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].end |
20819.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].text |
然後是不是在哪一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].start |
20819.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].end |
20821.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].text |
哪一種情況下他必須做醫療的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].start |
20821.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].end |
20823.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].text |
讓民眾說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].start |
20823.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].end |
20825.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].text |
不至於過度恐慌 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].start |
20825.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].end |
20827.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].text |
好這個我們來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].start |
20827.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].end |
20829.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].text |
讓民眾不用過度恐慌 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].start |
20829.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].end |
20831.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].text |
那我一直覺得我們從早上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].start |
20831.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].end |
20833.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].text |
聽到現在我一直覺得是很像是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].start |
20833.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].end |
20835.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].text |
業者的問題是比較大多數 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].start |
20835.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].end |
20837.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].text |
那是不是在以後在修法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].start |
20837.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].end |
20839.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].text |
我們要防範這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].start |
20839.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].end |
20841.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].text |
事後資料的一個呈現 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].start |
20841.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].end |
20843.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].text |
或者是說他確實這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].start |
20843.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].end |
20845.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].text |
資料不是這個原來的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].start |
20845.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].end |
20847.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].text |
受檢的這個品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].start |
20847.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].end |
20849.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].text |
那現在要怎麼去預防作假 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].start |
20849.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].end |
20851.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].text |
這個部分我是覺得以後在修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].start |
20851.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].end |
20853.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].text |
是不是一個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].start |
20852.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].end |
20854.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].text |
是是所以在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].start |
20854.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].end |
20856.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].text |
防堵的部分防堵 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].start |
20856.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].end |
20858.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].text |
他作假的部分我們就透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].start |
20858.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].end |
20860.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].text |
多方攻擊所以包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].start |
20860.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].end |
20862.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].text |
他雖然他的自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].start |
20862.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].end |
20864.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].text |
檢驗的頻率要提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].start |
20864.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].end |
20866.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].text |
那麼另外也透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[7271].start |
20866.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7271].end |
20868.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7271].text |
第三方以及實驗室 |
| transcript.whisperx[7272].start |
20868.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7272].end |
20870.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7272].text |
那麼通通把他 |
| transcript.whisperx[7273].start |
20870.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7273].end |
20872.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7273].text |
這個連結起來讓我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7274].start |
20872.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7274].end |
20874.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7274].text |
資料的來源能夠多元 |
| transcript.whisperx[7275].start |
20874.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7275].end |
20876.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7275].text |
那避免他有作假的行行 |
| transcript.whisperx[7276].start |
20876.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7276].end |
20878.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7276].text |
對不只我們還有一個思考的方向就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7277].start |
20878.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7277].end |
20880.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7277].text |
其實現在我們現在目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[7278].start |
20880.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7278].end |
20882.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7278].text |
憑藉最辛苦的是醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7279].start |
20882.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7279].end |
20884.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7279].text |
那為什麼會這樣因為那是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7280].start |
20884.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7280].end |
20886.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7280].text |
人命關天的部分那 |
| transcript.whisperx[7281].start |
20886.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7281].end |
20888.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7281].text |
實驗室不是也是這樣嗎而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[7282].start |
20888.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7282].end |
20890.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7282].text |
是面對這些我說已經上次 |
| transcript.whisperx[7283].start |
20890.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7283].end |
20892.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7283].text |
有講過他們是屬於非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[7284].start |
20892.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7284].end |
20894.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7284].text |
大的利益的一個產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[7285].start |
20894.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7285].end |
20896.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7285].text |
那你要怎麼去切入他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7286].start |
20896.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7286].end |
20898.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7286].text |
的那個所謂的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7287].start |
20898.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7287].end |
20900.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7287].text |
或者是說你要防堵他們作假這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7288].start |
20900.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7288].end |
20902.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7288].text |
我是覺得你要更大的一個power |
| transcript.whisperx[7289].start |
20902.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7289].end |
20904.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7289].text |
來執行這樣的事情所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[7290].start |
20904.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7290].end |
20906.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7290].text |
如果說我們面對醫院是這麼嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[7291].start |
20906.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7291].end |
20908.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7291].text |
的在憑藉我那我太是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7292].start |
20908.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7292].end |
20910.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7292].text |
是關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[7293].start |
20910.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7293].end |
20912.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7293].text |
人命嘛食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7294].start |
20912.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7294].end |
20914.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7294].text |
的用油的部分我在想我們每天 |
| transcript.whisperx[7295].start |
20914.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7295].end |
20916.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7295].text |
都在吃油我覺得這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7296].start |
20916.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7296].end |
20918.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7296].text |
這個層級應該要拉高到跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[7297].start |
20918.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7297].end |
20920.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7297].text |
教學醫院這樣這個層級去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7298].start |
20920.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7298].end |
20922.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7298].text |
憑藉他們不然 |
| transcript.whisperx[7299].start |
20922.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7299].end |
20924.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7299].text |
一而再再而三發生還是會出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[7300].start |
20924.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7300].end |
20926.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7300].text |
漏洞就是因為我們沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7301].start |
20926.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7301].end |
20928.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7301].text |
辦法獨自去面對這麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7302].start |
20928.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7302].end |
20930.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7302].text |
大的一個利益團體所以需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7303].start |
20930.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7303].end |
20932.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7303].text |
衛福部的力量需要政府的力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[7304].start |
20932.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7304].end |
20934.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7304].text |
去做監督好除了這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7305].start |
20934.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7305].end |
20936.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7305].text |
這個剛剛講到的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7306].start |
20936.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7306].end |
20938.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7306].text |
報告的稽查之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[7307].start |
20938.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7307].end |
20940.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7307].text |
那當然實地的查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[7308].start |
20940.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7308].end |
20942.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7308].text |
就跟委員講的評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[7309].start |
20942.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7309].end |
20944.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7309].text |
實地評鑑實際的查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[7310].start |
20944.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7310].end |
20946.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7310].text |
這個也應該要提高這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7311].start |
20946.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7311].end |
20948.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7311].text |
頻率不是說幾年才 |
| transcript.whisperx[7312].start |
20948.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7312].end |
20950.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7312].text |
查一次包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[7313].start |
20950.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7313].end |
20952.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7313].text |
抽樣的部分也是一樣除了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7314].start |
20952.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7314].end |
20954.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7314].text |
他自主的檢驗也要外部 |
| transcript.whisperx[7315].start |
20954.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7315].end |
20956.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7315].text |
的抽樣這樣好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7316].start |
20956.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7316].end |
20958.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7316].text |
部長謝謝謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7317].start |
20967.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7317].end |
20969.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7317].text |
接下來請張志綸委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7318].start |
20978.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7318].end |
20980.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7318].text |
好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7319].start |
20980.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7319].end |
20982.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7319].text |
有請衛福部時部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7320].start |
20982.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7320].end |
20984.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7320].text |
時要署江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7321].start |
20986.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7321].end |
20988.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7321].text |
好好好好部長好署長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7322].start |
20988.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7322].end |
20990.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7322].text |
針對這次巴西 |
| transcript.whisperx[7323].start |
20990.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7323].end |
20992.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7323].text |
黃豆毒油事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7324].start |
20992.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7324].end |
20994.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7324].text |
請教部長到底這次 |
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20994.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7325].end |
20996.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7325].text |
的中原有紙的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7326].start |
20996.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7326].end |
20998.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7326].text |
癌油事件他的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7327].start |
20998.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7327].end |
21000.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7327].text |
是出在巴西黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7328].start |
21000.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7328].end |
21002.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7328].text |
還是出在自產的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7329].start |
21002.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7329].end |
21004.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7329].text |
從他的我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7330].start |
21004.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7330].end |
21006.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7330].text |
檢驗的他這麼多批 |
| transcript.whisperx[7331].start |
21006.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7331].end |
21008.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7331].text |
那麼去看到第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7332].start |
21008.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7332].end |
21010.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7332].text |
是他的如果是美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[7333].start |
21010.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7333].end |
21012.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7333].text |
豆做的大概都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7334].start |
21012.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7334].end |
21014.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7334].text |
問題符合那麼巴西 |
| transcript.whisperx[7335].start |
21014.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7335].end |
21016.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7335].text |
做的也不是每一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[7336].start |
21016.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7336].end |
21018.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7336].text |
都有問題因為剛剛檢驗出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7337].start |
21018.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7337].end |
21020.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7337].text |
一共是七批所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[7338].start |
21020.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7338].end |
21022.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7338].text |
當然他的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[7339].start |
21022.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7339].end |
21024.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[7339].text |
會影響他的品質確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7340].start |
21026.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7340].end |
21028.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7340].text |
那只有豆的問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7341].start |
21028.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7341].end |
21030.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7341].text |
當然他的製程在我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7342].start |
21030.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7342].end |
21032.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7342].text |
查核的過程的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7343].start |
21032.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7343].end |
21034.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7343].text |
追查他的過程當中也發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[7344].start |
21034.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7344].end |
21036.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7344].text |
他幾個節點重要的節點 |
| transcript.whisperx[7345].start |
21036.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7345].end |
21038.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7345].text |
也沒有完全符合標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[7346].start |
21038.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7346].end |
21040.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7346].text |
所以這個製程跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[7347].start |
21040.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7347].end |
21042.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7347].text |
這個原料這兩個都是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7348].start |
21042.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7348].end |
21044.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7348].text |
他的關聯性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7349].start |
21044.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7349].end |
21046.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7349].text |
謝謝部長的回應所以部長剛剛提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7350].start |
21046.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7350].end |
21048.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7350].text |
一個非常重要的問題就是巴西 |
| transcript.whisperx[7351].start |
21048.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7351].end |
21050.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7351].text |
黃豆進口出了問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7352].start |
21050.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7352].end |
21052.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7352].text |
這不僅讓我想到當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[7353].start |
21052.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7353].end |
21054.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7353].text |
巴西雞蛋進口有出 |
| transcript.whisperx[7354].start |
21054.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7354].end |
21056.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7354].text |
出了問題喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[7355].start |
21056.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7355].end |
21058.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7355].text |
政府部當時也有調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7356].start |
21058.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7356].end |
21060.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7356].text |
一個最新的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7357].start |
21060.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7357].end |
21062.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7357].text |
有指從去年幾四日將 |
| transcript.whisperx[7358].start |
21062.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7358].end |
21064.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7358].text |
巴西黃豆的原料的熱損率 |
| transcript.whisperx[7359].start |
21064.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7359].end |
21066.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7359].text |
的允收標準從 |
| transcript.whisperx[7360].start |
21066.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7360].end |
21068.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7360].text |
0.5%大幅放寬10% |
| transcript.whisperx[7361].start |
21068.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7361].end |
21070.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7361].text |
到5% |
| transcript.whisperx[7362].start |
21070.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7362].end |
21072.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7362].text |
那我想要請教這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7363].start |
21072.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7363].end |
21074.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7363].text |
部長針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7364].start |
21075.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7364].end |
21077.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7364].text |
這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[7365].start |
21077.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7365].end |
21079.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7365].text |
大幅調升10倍進這種有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7366].start |
21079.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7366].end |
21081.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7366].text |
黃豆進來請問衛福部食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[7367].start |
21081.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7367].end |
21083.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7367].text |
你們的動作是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7368].start |
21083.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7368].end |
21085.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7368].text |
跟委員說明並不是這個叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[7369].start |
21085.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7369].end |
21087.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7369].text |
有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7370].start |
21087.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7370].end |
21089.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7370].text |
黃豆就是說他的品質上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7371].start |
21089.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7371].end |
21091.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7371].text |
是比較差的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7372].start |
21091.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7372].end |
21093.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7372].text |
他並不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7373].start |
21093.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7373].end |
21095.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7373].text |
在我們的這個檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7374].start |
21095.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7374].end |
21097.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7374].text |
邊境檢驗的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7375].start |
21097.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7375].end |
21099.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7375].text |
你們邊境檢驗做了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7376].start |
21099.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7376].end |
21101.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7376].text |
你們有沒有發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[7377].start |
21101.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7377].end |
21103.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7377].text |
有提升10% |
| transcript.whisperx[7378].start |
21103.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7378].end |
21105.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7378].text |
因為他這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7379].start |
21105.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7379].end |
21107.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7379].text |
過程裡面他有儲存的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[7380].start |
21107.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7380].end |
21109.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7380].text |
他並不是從邊境就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7381].start |
21109.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7381].end |
21111.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7381].text |
有問題進來並不是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7382].start |
21111.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7382].end |
21113.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7382].text |
是在他的儲存跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[7383].start |
21113.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7383].end |
21115.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7383].text |
這個處理的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7384].start |
21115.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7384].end |
21117.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7384].text |
他的品質要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[7385].start |
21117.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7385].end |
21119.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7385].text |
有之前的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7386].start |
21119.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7386].end |
21121.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7386].text |
那請教部長你這樣講你對邊境 |
| transcript.whisperx[7387].start |
21121.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7387].end |
21123.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7387].text |
不管是官務署跟食藥署你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7388].start |
21123.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7388].end |
21125.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7388].text |
針對邊境檢驗這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7389].start |
21125.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7389].end |
21127.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7389].text |
問題黃豆你們如何檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7390].start |
21127.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7390].end |
21129.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7390].text |
你們有沒有檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7391].start |
21129.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7391].end |
21131.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7391].text |
我們在邊境的查驗主要是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7392].start |
21131.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7392].end |
21133.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7392].text |
農藥重心署的殘留 |
| transcript.whisperx[7393].start |
21133.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7393].end |
21135.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7393].text |
這些都要驗這個是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7394].start |
21135.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7394].end |
21137.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7394].text |
邊境的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7395].start |
21137.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7395].end |
21139.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7395].text |
但是他進來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7396].start |
21139.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7396].end |
21141.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7396].text |
熱損率是他加工的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7397].start |
21141.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7397].end |
21143.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7397].text |
產生的並不是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[7398].start |
21143.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7398].end |
21145.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7398].text |
產生的這個原料要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7399].start |
21145.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7399].end |
21147.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7399].text |
進入到煉油的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[7400].start |
21147.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7400].end |
21149.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7400].text |
他先要去做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7401].start |
21149.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7401].end |
21151.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7401].text |
處理的過程當中會產生這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7402].start |
21151.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7402].end |
21153.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7402].text |
熱損利率的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7403].start |
21153.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7403].end |
21155.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7403].text |
還是請你要回答我的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7404].start |
21155.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7404].end |
21157.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7404].text |
針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7405].start |
21156.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[7405].end |
21158.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[7405].text |
現在這些問題的巴西黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7406].start |
21158.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[7406].end |
21160.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[7406].text |
你的邊境檢驗是如何檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7407].start |
21160.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7407].end |
21162.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7407].text |
邊境的檢驗就是按照我們現在的重金屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[7408].start |
21162.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7408].end |
21164.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7408].text |
剛剛所謂委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7409].start |
21164.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7409].end |
21166.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7409].text |
特別提到就是這一批的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7410].start |
21166.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7410].end |
21168.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7410].text |
巴西黃豆在運製過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7411].start |
21168.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7411].end |
21170.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7411].text |
就產生了問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7412].start |
21170.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7412].end |
21172.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7412].text |
所以邊境檢驗非常的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7413].start |
21172.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7413].end |
21174.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7413].text |
你不認為嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7414].start |
21174.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7414].end |
21176.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7414].text |
邊境有邊境檢驗要查的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[7415].start |
21176.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7415].end |
21178.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7415].text |
但是我剛剛提到這個所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7416].start |
21178.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7416].end |
21180.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7416].text |
熱損利率是在他的加工 |
| transcript.whisperx[7417].start |
21180.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7417].end |
21182.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7417].text |
原料準備的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7418].start |
21182.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7418].end |
21184.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7418].text |
產生的並不是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7419].start |
21184.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7419].end |
21186.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7419].text |
邊境產生的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7420].start |
21186.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7420].end |
21188.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7420].text |
所以你認為邊境檢驗上沒有問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7421].start |
21188.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7421].end |
21190.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7421].text |
我不會測這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7422].start |
21190.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7422].end |
21194.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7422].text |
這個是他在後面烘造的過程當中造成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7423].start |
21194.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7423].end |
21196.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7423].text |
並不是在邊境 |
| transcript.whisperx[7424].start |
21196.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7424].end |
21198.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7424].text |
所以部長你能保證這一批巴西黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7425].start |
21198.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7425].end |
21200.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7425].text |
在邊境運進來的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7426].start |
21200.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7426].end |
21202.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7426].text |
到我們的港口檢驗沒有問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7427].start |
21202.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7427].end |
21204.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7427].text |
在我們的邊境主要是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7428].start |
21204.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7428].end |
21206.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7428].text |
因為這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7429].start |
21206.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7429].end |
21208.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7429].text |
請問一下部長你能確定嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7430].start |
21208.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7430].end |
21210.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7430].text |
你現在能跟國人確定嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7431].start |
21209.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7431].end |
21211.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7431].text |
我們在邊境查的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7432].start |
21211.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7432].end |
21215.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7432].text |
黃麴毒素、重金屬、農藥殘留 |
| transcript.whisperx[7433].start |
21215.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7433].end |
21217.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7433].text |
這個是在我們邊境 |
| transcript.whisperx[7434].start |
21217.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7434].end |
21219.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7434].text |
而這個本棉筆是在後端加工的時候產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[7435].start |
21219.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7435].end |
21221.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7435].text |
所以他 |
| transcript.whisperx[7436].start |
21221.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7436].end |
21223.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7436].text |
我講的原料是指說他在加工的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7437].start |
21223.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7437].end |
21225.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7437].text |
一開始是黃豆的處理過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[7438].start |
21225.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7438].end |
21227.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7438].text |
那另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[7439].start |
21227.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7439].end |
21229.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7439].text |
下一端才是煉油的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[7440].start |
21229.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7440].end |
21231.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7440].text |
講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7441].start |
21231.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7441].end |
21233.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7441].text |
不是在邊境 |
| transcript.whisperx[7442].start |
21233.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7442].end |
21235.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7442].text |
這個跟邊境沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[7443].start |
21235.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7443].end |
21237.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7443].text |
是他在加工處理這個原料上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7444].start |
21237.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7444].end |
21239.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7444].text |
你很清楚啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7445].start |
21239.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7445].end |
21241.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7445].text |
你因為就是要把它全部推給廠商的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[7446].start |
21241.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7446].end |
21243.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7446].text |
可是本席要在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7447].start |
21243.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7447].end |
21245.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7447].text |
要跟部長嚴重的說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7448].start |
21245.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7448].end |
21247.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7448].text |
其實當時你們邊境這批黃豆進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7449].start |
21247.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7449].end |
21249.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7449].text |
本席認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7450].start |
21249.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7450].end |
21251.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7450].text |
就已經產生問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7451].start |
21251.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7451].end |
21253.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7451].text |
跟他說有什麼你根本講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7452].start |
21253.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7452].end |
21255.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7452].text |
這個熱水率當然有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7453].start |
21255.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7453].end |
21257.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7453].text |
可是他是一整批整個的問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7454].start |
21257.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7454].end |
21259.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7454].text |
所以要拜託部長你們邊境檢疫是不是出了問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7455].start |
21259.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7455].end |
21261.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7455].text |
請會後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7456].start |
21261.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7456].end |
21263.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7456].text |
你們把你們邊境檢疫的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[7457].start |
21263.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7457].end |
21265.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7457].text |
拿給本席看 |
| transcript.whisperx[7458].start |
21265.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7458].end |
21267.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7458].text |
如果會提供給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7459].start |
21267.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7459].end |
21269.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7459].text |
如果邊境檢疫的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7460].start |
21269.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7460].end |
21271.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7460].text |
如果又有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7461].start |
21271.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7461].end |
21273.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7461].text |
到底是從哪邊進口是不是又有綠油油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7462].start |
21273.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7462].end |
21275.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7462].text |
這些問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7463].start |
21275.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7463].end |
21277.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7463].text |
本席要特別請署長特別要來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7464].start |
21277.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7464].end |
21279.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7464].text |
看是不是這樣子類似我們87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7465].start |
21279.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7465].end |
21281.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7465].text |
雞蛋相關的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7466].start |
21281.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7466].end |
21283.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7466].text |
那第二個我要請教署長的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7467].start |
21283.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7467].end |
21285.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7467].text |
部長的是到底人民現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7468].start |
21285.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7468].end |
21287.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7468].text |
吃下多少的毒油請問你們有統計數量嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7469].start |
21288.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7469].end |
21290.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7469].text |
這個數量上我們有回收的數量 |
| transcript.whisperx[7470].start |
21290.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7470].end |
21292.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7470].text |
公佈在我們的網站 |
| transcript.whisperx[7471].start |
21292.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7471].end |
21294.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7471].text |
來我交給部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7472].start |
21294.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7472].end |
21296.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7472].text |
現在是不是7批 |
| transcript.whisperx[7473].start |
21296.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7473].end |
21298.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7473].text |
總共有三艘船 |
| transcript.whisperx[7474].start |
21298.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7474].end |
21300.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7474].text |
6批共進了18批的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7475].start |
21300.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7475].end |
21302.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7475].text |
共進了18批的黃豆總共 |
| transcript.whisperx[7476].start |
21302.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7476].end |
21304.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7476].text |
生產了30批的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7477].start |
21304.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7477].end |
21306.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7477].text |
這個油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7478].start |
21306.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7478].end |
21308.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7478].text |
裡面有7批是潤體油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7479].start |
21308.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7479].end |
21310.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7479].text |
所以7批潤體油總共 |
| transcript.whisperx[7480].start |
21310.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7480].end |
21312.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7480].text |
8478.88公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7481].start |
21312.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7481].end |
21314.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7481].text |
預計回收是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7482].start |
21314.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7482].end |
21316.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7482].text |
2771.2公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7483].start |
21316.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7483].end |
21320.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7483].text |
剩下的5707.68公噸去了哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7484].start |
21321.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7484].end |
21323.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7484].text |
這是不是就是被人民吃下毒的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7485].start |
21323.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7485].end |
21325.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7485].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[7486].start |
21325.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7486].end |
21327.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7486].text |
您提的是那個黃豆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7487].start |
21327.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7487].end |
21329.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7487].text |
燉素嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7488].start |
21329.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7488].end |
21331.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7488].text |
是油的燉素 油7批總共 |
| transcript.whisperx[7489].start |
21331.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7489].end |
21333.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7489].text |
是8478.88噸對吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[7490].start |
21334.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7490].end |
21336.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7490].text |
我們對一下數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[7491].start |
21336.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7491].end |
21338.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7491].text |
精確一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[7492].start |
21338.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7492].end |
21340.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7492].text |
現在連7批油都不知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7493].start |
21340.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7493].end |
21342.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7493].text |
7批我們現在是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7494].start |
21342.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7494].end |
21344.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7494].text |
這個回收的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7495].start |
21344.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7495].end |
21346.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7495].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7496].start |
21346.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7496].end |
21348.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7496].text |
2794.1噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7497].start |
21348.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7497].end |
21350.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7497].text |
這個回收了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7498].start |
21350.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7498].end |
21352.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7498].text |
那你預計 |
| transcript.whisperx[7499].start |
21352.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7499].end |
21354.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7499].text |
7批潤體油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7500].start |
21354.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7500].end |
21356.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7500].text |
總共回收了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7501].start |
21356.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7501].end |
21358.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7501].text |
7批潤體油總共8000多公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7502].start |
21358.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7502].end |
21360.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7502].text |
總共只有回收2700多公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7503].start |
21360.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7503].end |
21362.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7503].text |
那剩下5700多公噸去了哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7504].start |
21363.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7504].end |
21365.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7504].text |
不是就是吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[7505].start |
21365.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7505].end |
21367.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7505].text |
人民吃下去的問題油嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7506].start |
21367.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7506].end |
21369.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7506].text |
我們是大概2萬多噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7507].start |
21369.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7507].end |
21371.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7507].text |
2萬多噸是預防性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7508].start |
21371.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7508].end |
21373.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7508].text |
下架嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7509].start |
21373.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7509].end |
21375.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7509].text |
就是下架的大7批 |
| transcript.whisperx[7510].start |
21375.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7510].end |
21377.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7510].text |
大7批的問題油是幾公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7511].start |
21377.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7511].end |
21379.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7511].text |
2. |
| transcript.whisperx[7512].start |
21379.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7512].end |
21381.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7512].text |
是8478 |
| transcript.whisperx[7513].start |
21381.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7513].end |
21383.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7513].text |
8478噸噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7514].start |
21383.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7514].end |
21385.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7514].text |
再確認一下數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[7515].start |
21385.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7515].end |
21387.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7515].text |
委員這個數字是正確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7516].start |
21387.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7516].end |
21389.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7516].text |
所以我們確定的現在就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7517].start |
21389.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7517].end |
21391.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7517].text |
5707.68噸的問題油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7518].start |
21391.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7518].end |
21393.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7518].text |
不見了嘛被人民吃下肚了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7519].start |
21393.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7519].end |
21395.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7519].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7520].start |
21395.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7520].end |
21397.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7520].text |
這個完全的起因就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7521].start |
21397.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7521].end |
21399.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7521].text |
因為他隱匿 |
| transcript.whisperx[7522].start |
21399.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7522].end |
21401.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7522].text |
所以他延後通報才讓我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7523].start |
21401.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7523].end |
21403.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7523].text |
沒有機會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7524].start |
21403.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7524].end |
21405.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7524].text |
回收啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7525].start |
21405.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7525].end |
21407.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7525].text |
到底多吃下去多少問題油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7526].start |
21407.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7526].end |
21409.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7526].text |
我都已經幫你算出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7527].start |
21409.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7527].end |
21411.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7527].text |
這個油就是因為他隱匿延遲的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[7528].start |
21411.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7528].end |
21413.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7528].text |
然後才造成我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7529].start |
21413.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7529].end |
21415.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7529].text |
你知道我們人民吃下了5000多噸的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7530].start |
21415.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7530].end |
21417.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7530].text |
問題油平均一個人一個家庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[7531].start |
21417.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7531].end |
21419.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7531].text |
一家四口吃下多少問題油嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7532].start |
21419.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7532].end |
21421.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7532].text |
就吃下了大部分一罐 |
| transcript.whisperx[7533].start |
21421.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7533].end |
21423.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7533].text |
一小罐一公升的問題油啊部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7534].start |
21423.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7534].end |
21425.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7534].text |
這個數字喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[7535].start |
21425.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7535].end |
21427.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7535].text |
我很感謝你們把詳細資料提供給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[7536].start |
21427.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7536].end |
21429.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7536].text |
這樣我可以算得出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7537].start |
21429.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7537].end |
21431.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7537].text |
所以部長跟市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7538].start |
21431.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7538].end |
21433.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7538].text |
剛剛提的數字裡面喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[7539].start |
21433.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7539].end |
21435.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7539].text |
油 即是說炸的油之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7540].start |
21435.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7540].end |
21437.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7540].text |
大部分的油炸完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7541].start |
21437.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7541].end |
21439.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7541].text |
其實是要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7542].start |
21439.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7542].end |
21441.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7542].text |
要去丟棄的 因為已經炸完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7543].start |
21441.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7543].end |
21443.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7543].text |
他就會替換油 並不是都是喝下去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7544].start |
21443.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7544].end |
21445.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7544].text |
所以他其實在運用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7545].start |
21445.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7545].end |
21447.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7545].text |
好那我現在現在所有用的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7546].start |
21447.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7546].end |
21449.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7546].text |
是5700多噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7547].start |
21449.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7547].end |
21451.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7547].text |
人民吃下去多少噸嘛 你可以回答嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7548].start |
21453.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7548].end |
21455.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7548].text |
這個每個製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[7549].start |
21455.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7549].end |
21457.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7549].text |
每個製程有的是回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[7550].start |
21457.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7550].end |
21459.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7550].text |
其實它的一定的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[7551].start |
21459.15 |
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21461.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7551].text |
這個是在產業上面的使用會有些不一樣的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[7552].start |
21461.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7552].end |
21463.15 |
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所有做出來的問題喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[7553].start |
21463.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7553].end |
21465.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7553].text |
我算出來的數字就是這麼明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[7554].start |
21465.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7554].end |
21467.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7554].text |
再來我想要請教部長跟署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7555].start |
21467.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7555].end |
21469.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7555].text |
現在人民還很擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[7556].start |
21469.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7556].end |
21471.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7556].text |
這些有問題的巴西黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7557].start |
21471.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7557].end |
21473.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7557].text |
製造完以後會產生大量的副產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7558].start |
21473.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7558].end |
21475.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7558].text |
我俗稱它叫豆渣跟豆粿 |
| transcript.whisperx[7559].start |
21475.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7559].end |
21477.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7559].text |
那這些豆渣跟豆粿 |
| transcript.whisperx[7560].start |
21477.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7560].end |
21479.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7560].text |
其實你們如何處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7561].start |
21479.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7561].end |
21481.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7561].text |
在很多新聞上也都提說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7562].start |
21481.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7562].end |
21483.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7562].text |
它可能製成豆漿 |
| transcript.whisperx[7563].start |
21483.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7563].end |
21485.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7563].text |
剛剛有問人說製成豆皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[7564].start |
21485.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7564].end |
21487.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7564].text |
不會不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7565].start |
21487.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7565].end |
21489.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7565].text |
或者是有沒有做成飼料 |
| transcript.whisperx[7566].start |
21489.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7566].end |
21491.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7566].text |
那問題有的這些產業物到哪裡去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7567].start |
21491.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7567].end |
21493.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7567].text |
這一批貨就是進入到這個場 |
| transcript.whisperx[7568].start |
21493.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7568].end |
21495.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7568].text |
我說有知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[7569].start |
21495.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7569].end |
21497.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7569].text |
那剩下來的呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7570].start |
21497.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7570].end |
21499.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7570].text |
副產品的豆渣跟豆粿去哪裡了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7571].start |
21500.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7571].end |
21502.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7571].text |
那個不會進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[7572].start |
21502.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7572].end |
21504.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7572].text |
那個就是那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7573].start |
21504.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7573].end |
21506.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7573].text |
過去就是做飼料啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7574].start |
21506.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7574].end |
21508.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7574].text |
那飼料這些不是有毒的飼料嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7575].start |
21508.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7575].end |
21510.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7575].text |
不會進入到人體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7576].start |
21510.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7576].end |
21512.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7576].text |
那也就是說做成飼料就可以吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[7577].start |
21512.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7577].end |
21514.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7577].text |
做成 |
| transcript.whisperx[7578].start |
21514.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7578].end |
21516.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7578].text |
你們有沒有在後續去檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7579].start |
21516.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7579].end |
21518.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7579].text |
這些有問題的飼料去哪裡了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7580].start |
21518.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7580].end |
21520.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7580].text |
飼料是養豬的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7581].start |
21520.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7581].end |
21522.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7581].text |
飼料是養豬的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7582].start |
21524.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7582].end |
21526.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7582].text |
有沒有人可以回答這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7583].start |
21526.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7583].end |
21528.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7583].text |
沒有人可以回答這個問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7584].start |
21528.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7584].end |
21530.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7584].text |
所以我必須要講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7585].start |
21530.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7585].end |
21532.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7585].text |
這些問題造成有這些巴西 |
| transcript.whisperx[7586].start |
21532.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7586].end |
21534.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7586].text |
黃豆的副產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7587].start |
21534.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7587].end |
21536.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7587].text |
這些飼料 |
| transcript.whisperx[7588].start |
21536.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7588].end |
21538.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7588].text |
我個人認為啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7589].start |
21538.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7589].end |
21540.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7589].text |
這些飼料也是你們現在去查毒油的一個來源之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[7590].start |
21540.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7590].end |
21542.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7590].text |
所以你們應該可以驗得出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7591].start |
21542.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7591].end |
21544.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7591].text |
這個飼料應該存有毒物 |
| transcript.whisperx[7592].start |
21544.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7592].end |
21546.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7592].text |
你們可以反推說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7593].start |
21546.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7593].end |
21548.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7593].text |
這個製程如果沒有問題的話是黃豆的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7594].start |
21548.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7594].end |
21550.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7594].text |
所以你們現在的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7595].start |
21550.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7595].end |
21552.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7595].text |
副產品這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7596].start |
21552.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7596].end |
21554.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7596].text |
豆渣做成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7597].start |
21554.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7597].end |
21556.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7597].text |
這個飼料你們完全沒有去查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7598].start |
21556.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7598].end |
21558.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7598].text |
所以這點我要跟部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7599].start |
21558.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7599].end |
21560.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7599].text |
報告說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7600].start |
21560.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7600].end |
21562.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7600].text |
這是相當萬有的問題你們要趕快去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7601].start |
21562.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7601].end |
21564.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7601].text |
這個BAP是存在在油裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7602].start |
21564.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7602].end |
21566.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7602].text |
所以你說副產品完全沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7603].start |
21566.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7603].end |
21568.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7603].text |
完全沒有毒嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7604].start |
21568.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7604].end |
21570.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7604].text |
它已經沒有油就沒有辦法去驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7605].start |
21570.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7605].end |
21572.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7605].text |
完全沒有毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[7606].start |
21572.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7606].end |
21574.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7606].text |
所以毒油造成的副產品沒有毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[7607].start |
21574.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7607].end |
21576.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7607].text |
它沒有辦法驗可是可以給動物吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[7608].start |
21576.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7608].end |
21578.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7608].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7609].start |
21578.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7609].end |
21580.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7609].text |
那我再請教第二個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7610].start |
21581.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7610].end |
21583.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7610].text |
部長跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[7611].start |
21582.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7611].end |
21584.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7611].text |
部長講我認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7612].start |
21584.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7612].end |
21586.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7612].text |
這次的毒油事件千萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[7613].start |
21586.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7613].end |
21588.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7613].text |
你們上面的源頭不管從進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[7614].start |
21588.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7614].end |
21590.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7614].text |
從這批有問題的巴西豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7615].start |
21590.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7615].end |
21592.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7615].text |
你們都不敢說有沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7616].start |
21592.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7616].end |
21594.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7616].text |
而且還放任 |
| transcript.whisperx[7617].start |
21594.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7617].end |
21596.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7617].text |
這個業者把他的這些什麼熱藍綠上升10% |
| transcript.whisperx[7618].start |
21596.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7618].end |
21598.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7618].text |
你們到最近才說這樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7619].start |
21598.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7619].end |
21600.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7619].text |
我本席覺得非常不能接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[7620].start |
21602.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7620].end |
21604.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7620].text |
我也不應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[7621].start |
21604.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7621].end |
21606.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7621].text |
我也不應該推給地方政府我舉例 |
| transcript.whisperx[7622].start |
21605.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7622].end |
21607.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7622].text |
像國營事業台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[7623].start |
21607.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7623].end |
21609.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7623].text |
它其實營有跟中聯食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7624].start |
21609.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7624].end |
21611.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7624].text |
近代問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7625].start |
21611.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7625].end |
21613.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7625].text |
有問題的問題有品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7626].start |
21613.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7626].end |
21615.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7626].text |
我想請教一下台糖也查不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7627].start |
21615.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7627].end |
21617.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7627].text |
台糖為什麼也沒有查出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7628].start |
21617.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7628].end |
21619.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7628].text |
它收到這批 |
| transcript.whisperx[7629].start |
21618.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7629].end |
21620.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7629].text |
這個油脂的油是問題油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7630].start |
21620.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7630].end |
21622.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7630].text |
所以我的意思就是說你上油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7631].start |
21622.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7631].end |
21624.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7631].text |
你的水庫就已經有毒了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7632].start |
21624.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7632].end |
21626.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7632].text |
你一直去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7633].start |
21627.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7633].end |
21631.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7633].text |
家家戶戶的百姓問說你家裡有沒有毒油或毒水 |
| transcript.whisperx[7634].start |
21631.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7634].end |
21633.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7634].text |
這樣本席認為是非常不合理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7635].start |
21633.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7635].end |
21635.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7635].text |
那我請教一下請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[7636].start |
21635.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7636].end |
21637.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7636].text |
部長跟署長你知不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[7637].start |
21637.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7637].end |
21639.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7637].text |
為什麼台糖它有拿到問題油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7638].start |
21639.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7638].end |
21641.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7638].text |
所以它才預防性下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[7639].start |
21641.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7639].end |
21643.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7639].text |
為什麼它沒有查出來這點你們清楚嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7640].start |
21644.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7640].end |
21646.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7640].text |
它沒有允收 |
| transcript.whisperx[7641].start |
21646.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7641].end |
21648.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7641].text |
它沒有允收什麼製成產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7642].start |
21649.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7642].end |
21651.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7642].text |
它沒有它都是符合標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[7643].start |
21651.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7643].end |
21653.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7643].text |
它才允收 |
| transcript.whisperx[7644].start |
21653.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7644].end |
21655.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7644].text |
它是因為拿到問題油以後製成的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7645].start |
21655.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7645].end |
21657.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7645].text |
沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7646].start |
21657.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7646].end |
21659.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7646].text |
可是它當時就有跟中聯油脂拿到問題油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7647].start |
21660.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7647].end |
21662.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7647].text |
它也沒有查出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7648].start |
21662.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7648].end |
21664.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7648].text |
我跟你們報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7649].start |
21664.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7649].end |
21666.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7649].text |
我們台糖是國營公司上市的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[7650].start |
21666.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7650].end |
21668.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7650].text |
它也查不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7651].start |
21668.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7651].end |
21670.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7651].text |
還有工廠還在高雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[7652].start |
21671.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7652].end |
21673.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7652].text |
台糖公司報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7653].start |
21674.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7653].end |
21676.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7653].text |
台糖的沙拉油都是用美國的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7654].start |
21676.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7654].end |
21678.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7654].text |
台糖的沙拉油都是用美國的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7655].start |
21678.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7655].end |
21680.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7655].text |
中聯油脂進給台糖那批 |
| transcript.whisperx[7656].start |
21680.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7656].end |
21682.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7656].text |
中聯油脂進給台糖那批 |
| transcript.whisperx[7657].start |
21682.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7657].end |
21684.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7657].text |
預防性下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[7658].start |
21684.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7658].end |
21686.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7658].text |
你現在跟我講美國黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7659].start |
21686.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7659].end |
21688.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7659].text |
我跟委員說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7660].start |
21689.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7660].end |
21691.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7660].text |
美國的黃豆造成的出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7661].start |
21691.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7661].end |
21693.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7661].text |
那是絕對不會有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7662].start |
21693.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7662].end |
21695.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7662].text |
那我們不足的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7663].start |
21695.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7663].end |
21697.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7663].text |
會有跟中聯油脂進 |
| transcript.whisperx[7664].start |
21697.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7664].end |
21699.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7664].text |
那為什麼你們拿到你們有沒有驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7665].start |
21699.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7665].end |
21701.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7665].text |
中聯油脂的部分我們有驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7666].start |
21701.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7666].end |
21703.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7666].text |
每一批我們都會驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7667].start |
21703.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7667].end |
21705.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7667].text |
那因為有一批驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7668].start |
21705.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7668].end |
21707.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7668].text |
驗出來的鈔票我們就沒有收 |
| transcript.whisperx[7669].start |
21707.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7669].end |
21709.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7669].text |
其他都有收 |
| transcript.whisperx[7670].start |
21709.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7670].end |
21711.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7670].text |
那為什麼驗到你們沒有回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[7671].start |
21712.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7671].end |
21714.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7671].text |
那表示現在讓我們才知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7672].start |
21714.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7672].end |
21716.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7672].text |
其實台糖有收到中聯油脂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7673].start |
21716.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7673].end |
21718.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7673].text |
毒油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7674].start |
21718.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7674].end |
21720.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7674].text |
結果沒有回報沒有申報 |
| transcript.whisperx[7675].start |
21720.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7675].end |
21722.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7675].text |
你現在意思是這樣子嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7676].start |
21723.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7676].end |
21725.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7676].text |
那個是出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7677].start |
21725.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7677].end |
21727.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7677].text |
有毒不用回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[7678].start |
21727.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7678].end |
21729.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7678].text |
那個不是成品油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7679].start |
21729.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7679].end |
21731.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7679].text |
那我了解現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7680].start |
21731.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7680].end |
21733.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7680].text |
我們南僑拿到的也不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7681].start |
21733.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7681].end |
21735.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7681].text |
也是出油也不是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7682].start |
21735.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7682].end |
21737.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7682].text |
那你意思是現在說拿到出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7683].start |
21737.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7683].end |
21739.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[7683].text |
也不用回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[7684].start |
21740.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7684].end |
21742.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7684].text |
不是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7685].start |
21742.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7685].end |
21744.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7685].text |
因為在我們油品的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7686].start |
21744.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7686].end |
21746.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7686].text |
是以我們訂的兩批批批 |
| transcript.whisperx[7687].start |
21746.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7687].end |
21748.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7687].text |
是訂產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7688].start |
21748.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7688].end |
21750.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7688].text |
產品的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[7689].start |
21750.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7689].end |
21752.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7689].text |
不是原料標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[7690].start |
21752.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7690].end |
21754.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7690].text |
所以原料有本品皮沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7691].start |
21754.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7691].end |
21756.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7691].text |
但是它的過程製程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7692].start |
21756.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7692].end |
21758.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7692].text |
是可以處理可以精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[7693].start |
21758.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7693].end |
21760.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7693].text |
它透過精煉的過程可以下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[7694].start |
21760.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7694].end |
21762.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7694].text |
所以這個不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7695].start |
21762.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7695].end |
21764.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7695].text |
所以部長 現在有進有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7696].start |
21764.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7696].end |
21766.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7696].text |
巴西黃豆不用驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7697].start |
21766.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7697].end |
21768.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7697].text |
有進有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7698].start |
21768.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7698].end |
21770.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7698].text |
有問題油的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7699].start |
21770.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7699].end |
21772.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7699].text |
這個出品也不用驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7700].start |
21772.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7700].end |
21774.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7700].text |
難道這是我們食安武漢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7701].start |
21774.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7701].end |
21776.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7701].text |
原料要驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7702].start |
21776.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7702].end |
21778.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7702].text |
驗完之後它就會去調整它的製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[7703].start |
21778.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7703].end |
21780.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7703].text |
所以要調整精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[7704].start |
21780.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7704].end |
21782.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7704].text |
拿到有毒的就先調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[7705].start |
21782.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7705].end |
21784.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7705].text |
不是拿到有毒你的品質不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[7706].start |
21784.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7706].end |
21786.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7706].text |
那麼你的精煉的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7707].start |
21786.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7707].end |
21788.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7707].text |
就有不同的手法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7708].start |
21788.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7708].end |
21790.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7708].text |
部長 我今天要跟你分享這些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[7709].start |
21790.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7709].end |
21794.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7709].text |
都是你未來可以做調整跟改善的一個目標之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[7710].start |
21794.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7710].end |
21796.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7710].text |
因為本席就看到這麼多問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7711].start |
21796.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7711].end |
21798.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7711].text |
好 再來我要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7712].start |
21798.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7712].end |
21801.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7712].text |
這裡這個是針對我相信食安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7713].start |
21801.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7713].end |
21803.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7713].text |
全民人群很生氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7714].start |
21803.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7714].end |
21806.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7714].text |
就求一個 就希望我不敢總統要道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[7715].start |
21806.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7715].end |
21808.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7715].text |
我們行政院長要道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[7716].start |
21808.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7716].end |
21810.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7716].text |
那行政院長這題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7717].start |
21810.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7717].end |
21811.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7717].text |
我不知道部長可以回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[7718].start |
21811.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7718].end |
21813.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7718].text |
行政院長在4月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[7719].start |
21813.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7719].end |
21816.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7719].text |
針對一批油品有道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[7720].start |
21816.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7720].end |
21819.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7720].text |
可是本席要覺得很納悶的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7721].start |
21819.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7721].end |
21821.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7721].text |
其實這一批油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7722].start |
21821.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7722].end |
21823.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7722].text |
根據食藥署的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[7723].start |
21823.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7723].end |
21826.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7723].text |
這批油品其實它是不是有問題的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7724].start |
21826.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7724].end |
21828.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7724].text |
它是美國黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7725].start |
21828.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7725].end |
21830.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7725].text |
美國黃豆製作成的製成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7726].start |
21830.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7726].end |
21834.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7726].text |
所以我不瞭解這個總統態院長針對4月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[7727].start |
21834.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7727].end |
21836.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7727].text |
他只認為行政流程有缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[7728].start |
21836.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7728].end |
21838.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7728].text |
他只能針對的是沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7729].start |
21838.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7729].end |
21840.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7729].text |
用美國黃豆製成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7730].start |
21842.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7730].end |
21844.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7730].text |
這個食用油來做道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[7731].start |
21844.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7731].end |
21845.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7731].text |
他認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7732].start |
21845.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7732].end |
21847.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7732].text |
因為你們食藥署沒有跟他好好報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7733].start |
21847.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7733].end |
21848.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7733].text |
他很生氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7734].start |
21848.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7734].end |
21850.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7734].text |
可是他到現在為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[7735].start |
21850.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7735].end |
21854.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7735].text |
是完全沒有對巴西黃豆的毒油事件做道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[7736].start |
21854.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7736].end |
21856.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7736].text |
我這樣講有錯嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7737].start |
21856.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7737].end |
21857.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7737].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[7738].start |
21857.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7738].end |
21861.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7738].text |
我們主要是在7月9號已經公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[7739].start |
21861.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7739].end |
21865.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7739].text |
4月到6月所有他的產品都是要下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7740].start |
21865.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7740].end |
21867.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7740].text |
同時他要報給我們批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[7741].start |
21867.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7741].end |
21870.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7741].text |
但是他沒有報4月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[7742].start |
21870.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7742].end |
21871.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7742].text |
我看你很生氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7743].start |
21871.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7743].end |
21873.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7743].text |
今天太守總隊被批號的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7744].start |
21873.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7744].end |
21874.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7744].text |
因為隱匿 |
| transcript.whisperx[7745].start |
21874.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7745].end |
21876.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7745].text |
所以我們後來又加罰他 |
| transcript.whisperx[7746].start |
21876.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7746].end |
21878.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7746].text |
那批的是美國黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7747].start |
21878.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7747].end |
21880.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7747].text |
那不是巴西黃豆造成的毒油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7748].start |
21880.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7748].end |
21882.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7748].text |
這跟那個明天一點在變了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7749].start |
21882.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7749].end |
21884.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7749].text |
部長我說的有錯嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7750].start |
21884.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7750].end |
21886.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7750].text |
這個是我們到最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7751].start |
21886.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7751].end |
21888.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7751].text |
經過完整的檢驗之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7752].start |
21888.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7752].end |
21890.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7752].text |
才去確認他的問題出在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7753].start |
21890.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7753].end |
21892.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7753].text |
我問一下4月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[7754].start |
21892.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7754].end |
21894.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7754].text |
我們沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7755].start |
21894.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7755].end |
21898.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7755].text |
我們會要求4月到6月全部預防性下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[7756].start |
21898.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7756].end |
21900.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7756].text |
4月1號我問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7757].start |
21900.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7757].end |
21902.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7757].text |
4月1號那批的使用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7758].start |
21902.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7758].end |
21904.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7758].text |
是不是美國黃豆不是巴西黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7759].start |
21904.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7759].end |
21906.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7759].text |
請回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[7760].start |
21905.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7760].end |
21907.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7760].text |
他是用 |
| transcript.whisperx[7761].start |
21907.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7761].end |
21909.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7761].text |
對這是用的是美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[7762].start |
21909.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7762].end |
21911.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7762].text |
所以卓文泰院長沒有對這次毒油事件道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[7763].start |
21911.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7763].end |
21914.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7763].text |
他是對行政程序大家沒有聽到的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7764].start |
21914.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7764].end |
21916.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7764].text |
把4月1號的批次給他 |
| transcript.whisperx[7765].start |
21916.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7765].end |
21917.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7765].text |
他很生氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7766].start |
21917.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7766].end |
21919.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7766].text |
所以部長、署長我還是要跟你們講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7767].start |
21919.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7767].end |
21921.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7767].text |
最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7768].start |
21921.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7768].end |
21923.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7768].text |
昨天在開完會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7769].start |
21923.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7769].end |
21925.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7769].text |
有19批的商品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7770].start |
21925.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7770].end |
21927.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7770].text |
重新下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7771].start |
21927.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7771].end |
21929.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7771].text |
部長你們在這19批 |
| transcript.whisperx[7772].start |
21929.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7772].end |
21931.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7772].text |
重新上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7773].start |
21931.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7773].end |
21933.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7773].text |
有品的公斤數多少嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7774].start |
21933.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7774].end |
21935.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7774].text |
就我算原本的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7775].start |
21935.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7775].end |
21937.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7775].text |
你們支給我的是4000多公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7776].start |
21937.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7776].end |
21939.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7776].text |
你們都查完這4000公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7777].start |
21939.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7777].end |
21941.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7777].text |
完全沒有問題嗎你們是怎麼查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7778].start |
21941.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7778].end |
21943.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7778].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[7779].start |
21943.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7779].end |
21945.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7779].text |
這是為了當時候因為他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7780].start |
21945.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7780].end |
21947.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7780].text |
中聯的這個隱匿 |
| transcript.whisperx[7781].start |
21947.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7781].end |
21949.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7781].text |
還有他的檢體沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7782].start |
21949.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7782].end |
21951.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7782].text |
辦法信任的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7783].start |
21951.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7783].end |
21953.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7783].text |
為了讓國人安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[7784].start |
21953.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7784].end |
21955.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7784].text |
所以我們擴大預防性下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[7785].start |
21955.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7785].end |
21957.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7785].text |
4到6月 |
| transcript.whisperx[7786].start |
21957.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7786].end |
21959.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7786].text |
然後我們再進行逐批他的原有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7787].start |
21959.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7787].end |
21961.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7787].text |
檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7788].start |
21961.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7788].end |
21963.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7788].text |
經過我們逐批的原有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7789].start |
21963.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7789].end |
21965.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7789].text |
跟下游商品的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7790].start |
21965.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7790].end |
21967.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7790].text |
這19批檢驗都是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7791].start |
21967.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7791].end |
21969.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7791].text |
所以我們才公佈他 |
| transcript.whisperx[7792].start |
21969.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7792].end |
21971.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7792].text |
部長我們怎麼檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7793].start |
21971.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7793].end |
21973.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7793].text |
是檢查樣品嗎還是怎麼檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7794].start |
21973.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7794].end |
21975.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7794].text |
原有就會抽樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7795].start |
21975.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7795].end |
21977.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7795].text |
檢查樣品確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7796].start |
21977.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7796].end |
21979.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7796].text |
有原有的抽樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7797].start |
21979.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7797].end |
21981.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7797].text |
也有下游的產品的抽樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7798].start |
21981.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7798].end |
21983.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7798].text |
所以一共 |
| transcript.whisperx[7799].start |
21984.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7799].end |
21986.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7799].text |
原有當然是抽樣的樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[7800].start |
21986.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7800].end |
21988.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7800].text |
然後產品也會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7801].start |
21988.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7801].end |
21990.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7801].text |
做抽樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7802].start |
21990.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7802].end |
21992.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7802].text |
是產品還是樣品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7803].start |
21992.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7803].end |
21994.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7803].text |
下游的是產品上游的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7804].start |
21994.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7804].end |
21996.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7804].text |
原有的抽樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7805].start |
21996.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7805].end |
21998.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7805].text |
所以他是兩層 |
| transcript.whisperx[7806].start |
21998.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7806].end |
22000.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7806].text |
一起把關所以才會驗200多個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7807].start |
22000.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7807].end |
22002.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7807].text |
檢體雖然是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7808].start |
22002.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7808].end |
22004.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7808].text |
只有29批但是我們驗了200多個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7809].start |
22004.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7809].end |
22006.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7809].text |
檢體就是這樣來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7810].start |
22006.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7810].end |
22008.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7810].text |
確定用抽查的方式沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7811].start |
22008.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7811].end |
22010.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7811].text |
最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7812].start |
22010.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7812].end |
22012.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7812].text |
部長跟署長其實這次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7813].start |
22012.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7813].end |
22014.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7813].text |
毒油事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7814].start |
22014.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7814].end |
22016.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7814].text |
相信中央還有地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[7815].start |
22016.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7815].end |
22018.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7815].text |
大家一起努力還有很多地方可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[7816].start |
22018.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7816].end |
22020.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7816].text |
去做討論跟改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[7817].start |
22020.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7817].end |
22022.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7817].text |
我相信這次毒油事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7818].start |
22022.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7818].end |
22024.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7818].text |
大概全民都吃到了毒油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7819].start |
22024.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7819].end |
22026.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7819].text |
我現在剛剛其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7820].start |
22026.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7820].end |
22028.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7820].text |
我們本黨有很多同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[7821].start |
22028.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7821].end |
22030.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7821].text |
去凱道我們有四位 |
| transcript.whisperx[7822].start |
22030.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7822].end |
22032.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7822].text |
的人民在凱道上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7823].start |
22032.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7823].end |
22034.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7823].text |
進做抗議已經超過 |
| transcript.whisperx[7824].start |
22034.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7824].end |
22036.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7824].text |
70多個小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[7825].start |
22036.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7825].end |
22038.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7825].text |
我是不是可以邀請部長如果你有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7826].start |
22038.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7826].end |
22040.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7826].text |
誠意的話如果這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[7827].start |
22040.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7827].end |
22042.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7827].text |
有問題的話等一下可以請你講幾句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7828].start |
22042.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7828].end |
22044.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7828].text |
那我是不是也拜託說如果等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7829].start |
22044.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7829].end |
22046.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7829].text |
委員會開完是不是應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[7830].start |
22046.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7830].end |
22048.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7830].text |
去看一下我們台灣正在為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7831].start |
22048.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7831].end |
22050.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7831].text |
石安努力的這些我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7832].start |
22050.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7832].end |
22052.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7832].text |
英雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[7833].start |
22051.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7833].end |
22053.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7833].text |
我想我們現在已經提出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7834].start |
22053.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7834].end |
22055.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7834].text |
修法要來把這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7835].start |
22055.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7835].end |
22057.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7835].text |
從這個事件當中所 |
| transcript.whisperx[7836].start |
22057.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7836].end |
22059.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7836].text |
暴露的漏洞趕快把它強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[7837].start |
22059.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7837].end |
22061.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7837].text |
所以我們希望能趕快 |
| transcript.whisperx[7838].start |
22061.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7838].end |
22063.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7838].text |
來進入在立法院的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7839].start |
22063.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7839].end |
22065.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7839].text |
讓這個法規能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[7840].start |
22065.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7840].end |
22067.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7840].text |
完備那麼來確保 |
| transcript.whisperx[7841].start |
22067.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7841].end |
22069.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7841].text |
這個整個石安制度更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7842].start |
22069.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7842].end |
22071.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7842].text |
所以部長不用過去嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7843].start |
22072.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7843].end |
22074.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7843].text |
我今天一直在立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7844].start |
22075.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7844].end |
22077.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7844].text |
後面還有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7845].start |
22077.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7845].end |
22079.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7845].text |
修法我們要繼續趕快 |
| transcript.whisperx[7846].start |
22079.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7846].end |
22081.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7846].text |
你去的話我可以處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7847].start |
22082.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7847].end |
22084.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7847].text |
你去的話我可以陪你 |
| transcript.whisperx[7848].start |
22083.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7848].end |
22085.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7848].text |
如果我要去的時候我再 |
| transcript.whisperx[7849].start |
22085.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7849].end |
22087.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7849].text |
這樣委員通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[7850].start |
22087.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7850].end |
22089.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7850].text |
謝謝部長那部長對這次的石安事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7851].start |
22089.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7851].end |
22091.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7851].text |
你有要表達任何的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7852].start |
22091.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7852].end |
22093.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7852].text |
意識嗎 獨留事件你有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7853].start |
22093.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7853].end |
22095.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7853].text |
表達任何意識 我之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[7854].start |
22095.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7854].end |
22097.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7854].text |
再的表達了這個過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[7855].start |
22097.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7855].end |
22099.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7855].text |
確實是造成國人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7856].start |
22099.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7856].end |
22101.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7856].text |
困擾但是我們最快的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7857].start |
22101.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7857].end |
22103.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7857].text |
速度讓所有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[7858].start |
22103.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7858].end |
22105.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7858].text |
的問題的商品都下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7859].start |
22105.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7859].end |
22107.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7859].text |
讓確保這個國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7860].start |
22107.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7860].end |
22109.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7860].text |
在使用這個有品上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7861].start |
22109.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7861].end |
22111.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7861].text |
能夠放心那現在我們會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7862].start |
22111.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7862].end |
22113.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7862].text |
接下來去精進這整個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[7863].start |
22113.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7863].end |
22115.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7863].text |
讓這個未來這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7864].start |
22115.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7864].end |
22117.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7864].text |
事件不再重複發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[7865].start |
22117.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7865].end |
22119.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7865].text |
好 部長你其實你這樣子是沒有道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[7866].start |
22119.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7866].end |
22121.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7866].text |
你明清楚嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7867].start |
22121.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[7867].end |
22123.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[7867].text |
我上次已經提過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7868].start |
22123.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[7868].end |
22125.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[7868].text |
我覺得最重要的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7869].start |
22125.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[7869].end |
22127.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[7869].text |
把事情做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7870].start |
22127.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[7870].end |
22129.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[7870].text |
道歉的事情我上次 |
| transcript.whisperx[7871].start |
22129.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[7871].end |
22131.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[7871].text |
已經跟大家表達過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7872].start |
22134.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7872].end |
22136.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7872].text |
謝謝張志綸委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7873].start |
22136.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7873].end |
22138.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7873].text |
接下來請楊瓊英委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7874].start |
22147.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7874].end |
22149.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7874].text |
好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7875].start |
22152.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7875].end |
22154.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7875].text |
謝謝主席楊瓊發言 邀請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7876].start |
22154.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7876].end |
22156.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7876].text |
請施重良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7877].start |
22159.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7877].end |
22161.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7877].text |
好 各位好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7878].start |
22161.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7878].end |
22163.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7878].text |
部長 我想我們先來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7879].start |
22163.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7879].end |
22165.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7879].text |
那個新冠疫情的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7880].start |
22165.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7880].end |
22167.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7880].text |
在討論油的之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[7881].start |
22167.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7881].end |
22169.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7881].text |
那因為疾管署說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7882].start |
22169.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7882].end |
22171.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7882].text |
上週門診 急診 |
| transcript.whisperx[7883].start |
22171.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7883].end |
22173.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7883].text |
就診的人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[7884].start |
22173.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7884].end |
22175.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7884].text |
計了是4766人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[7885].start |
22175.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7885].end |
22177.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7885].text |
那比較前 |
| transcript.whisperx[7886].start |
22177.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7886].end |
22179.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7886].text |
前一週呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7887].start |
22179.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7887].end |
22181.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7887].text |
我們上升了將近快要七成 |
| transcript.whisperx[7888].start |
22181.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7888].end |
22183.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7888].text |
66.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7889].start |
22183.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7889].end |
22185.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7889].text |
那也就是說連續六週都 |
| transcript.whisperx[7890].start |
22185.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7890].end |
22187.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7890].text |
一直在上升 |
| transcript.whisperx[7891].start |
22187.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7891].end |
22189.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7891].text |
那也推估說8月 |
| transcript.whisperx[7892].start |
22189.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7892].end |
22191.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7892].text |
中左右 8月中 8月下旬 |
| transcript.whisperx[7893].start |
22191.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7893].end |
22193.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7893].text |
是會一個高峰 |
| transcript.whisperx[7894].start |
22193.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7894].end |
22195.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7894].text |
那這時候可能單週 |
| transcript.whisperx[7895].start |
22195.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7895].end |
22199.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7895].text |
就診的人數恐怕會上五萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7896].start |
22199.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7896].end |
22201.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7896].text |
那上週也有5例 |
| transcript.whisperx[7897].start |
22201.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7897].end |
22203.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7897].text |
因為這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7898].start |
22203.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7898].end |
22205.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7898].text |
這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[7899].start |
22205.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7899].end |
22207.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7899].text |
這個死亡病例 |
| transcript.whisperx[7900].start |
22207.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7900].end |
22209.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7900].text |
所以請教部長 在針對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[7901].start |
22209.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7901].end |
22211.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7901].text |
新冠升溫的這個醫療準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[7902].start |
22211.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7902].end |
22213.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7902].text |
那包括了整個醫療機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[7903].start |
22213.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7903].end |
22215.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7903].text |
的快篩藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7904].start |
22215.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7904].end |
22217.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7904].text |
還有通路 |
| transcript.whisperx[7905].start |
22217.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7905].end |
22219.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7905].text |
家用的快篩 |
| transcript.whisperx[7906].start |
22219.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7906].end |
22221.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7906].text |
這個曝霍抗病毒的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7907].start |
22221.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7907].end |
22223.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7907].text |
藥品儲備 |
| transcript.whisperx[7908].start |
22223.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7908].end |
22225.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7908].text |
以及各醫療院所 |
| transcript.whisperx[7909].start |
22225.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7909].end |
22227.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7909].text |
醫療量能的這個調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[7910].start |
22227.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7910].end |
22229.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7910].text |
你是不是全面在啟動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7911].start |
22229.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7911].end |
22231.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7911].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[7912].start |
22231.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7912].end |
22233.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7912].text |
我們現在的這個疫苗都還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7913].start |
22233.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7913].end |
22235.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7913].text |
所以這個機會要呼籲國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7914].start |
22235.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7914].end |
22237.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7914].text |
特別是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7915].start |
22237.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7915].end |
22239.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7915].text |
有慢性病的高齡的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7916].start |
22239.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7916].end |
22241.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7916].text |
趕快接種這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7917].start |
22241.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7917].end |
22243.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7917].text |
COVID的疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7918].start |
22243.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7918].end |
22245.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7918].text |
疫苗我們都還充足 |
| transcript.whisperx[7919].start |
22245.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7919].end |
22247.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7919].text |
另外在這個看病毒的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7920].start |
22247.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7920].end |
22251.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7920].text |
我們每個禮拜都有在記者會跟大家報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7921].start |
22251.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7921].end |
22253.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7921].text |
抗病毒的藥物 |
| transcript.whisperx[7922].start |
22253.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7922].end |
22255.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7922].text |
也都充足的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7923].start |
22255.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7923].end |
22257.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7923].text |
這個抗病毒藥都充足 |
| transcript.whisperx[7924].start |
22257.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7924].end |
22259.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7924].text |
所以現在就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7925].start |
22259.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7925].end |
22261.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7925].text |
還是預防剩餘治療 |
| transcript.whisperx[7926].start |
22261.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7926].end |
22263.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7926].text |
能夠打疫苗的趕快打 |
| transcript.whisperx[7927].start |
22263.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7927].end |
22265.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7927].text |
但是我要告訴你的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7928].start |
22265.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7928].end |
22267.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7928].text |
我們重度級的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7929].start |
22267.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7929].end |
22271.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7929].text |
急救責任的醫院呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7930].start |
22271.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7930].end |
22273.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7930].text |
他們的急診及死訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[7931].start |
22273.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7931].end |
22275.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7931].text |
我認為這個非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7932].start |
22275.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7932].end |
22277.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7932].text |
在系統上讓大家去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[7933].start |
22277.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7933].end |
22279.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7933].text |
非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7934].start |
22279.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7934].end |
22281.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7934].text |
因為部分的醫院呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7935].start |
22281.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7935].end |
22283.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7935].text |
他在急診住院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7936].start |
22283.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7936].end |
22285.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7936].text |
推床IQ加護部門的這個部分呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7937].start |
22285.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7937].end |
22289.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7937].text |
以及他的這個帶路人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[7938].start |
22289.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7938].end |
22291.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7938].text |
已經出現了這個壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[7939].start |
22291.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7939].end |
22293.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7939].text |
甚至在昨天有12家的醫院呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7940].start |
22293.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7940].end |
22295.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7940].text |
他已經向你們的系統通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[7941].start |
22295.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7941].end |
22297.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7941].text |
我都已經滿床了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7942].start |
22297.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7942].end |
22299.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7942].text |
而且急診等待住院的人次呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7943].start |
22299.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7943].end |
22301.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7943].text |
是將近1300 |
| transcript.whisperx[7944].start |
22301.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7944].end |
22303.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7944].text |
將近1300人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7945].start |
22303.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7945].end |
22304.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7945].text |
1293 |
| transcript.whisperx[7946].start |
22304.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7946].end |
22306.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7946].text |
照你們的這個系統數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[7947].start |
22306.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7947].end |
22308.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7947].text |
是這麼樣的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[7948].start |
22308.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7948].end |
22310.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7948].text |
那所以我們要怎麼樣有效的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7949].start |
22310.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7949].end |
22314.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7949].text |
在這個透過篩檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7950].start |
22314.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7950].end |
22316.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7950].text |
將確診的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7951].start |
22316.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7951].end |
22321.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7951].text |
他能夠攔截在清階段的這個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7952].start |
22321.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7952].end |
22324.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7952].text |
也就是早篩早治 |
| transcript.whisperx[7953].start |
22324.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7953].end |
22327.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7953].text |
才不會避免重疾的這個醫院呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7954].start |
22327.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7954].end |
22329.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7954].text |
醫院呢他的急診 |
| transcript.whisperx[7955].start |
22329.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7955].end |
22331.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7955].text |
又是這個這個期壓了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7956].start |
22331.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7956].end |
22333.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7956].text |
所以我還是要提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[7957].start |
22333.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7957].end |
22335.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7957].text |
這個部分必須 |
| transcript.whisperx[7958].start |
22335.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7958].end |
22337.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7958].text |
既然我們已經定出了8月 |
| transcript.whisperx[7959].start |
22337.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7959].end |
22339.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[7959].text |
下個月中或者是底 |
| transcript.whisperx[7960].start |
22339.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7960].end |
22341.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7960].text |
我們看看這個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[7961].start |
22342.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7961].end |
22344.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7961].text |
5萬人這個救診人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[7962].start |
22344.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7962].end |
22346.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7962].text |
他這個一定會擠爆了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7963].start |
22346.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7963].end |
22348.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7963].text |
所以務必一定要全面啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[7964].start |
22348.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7964].end |
22349.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7964].text |
去做好準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[7965].start |
22350.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7965].end |
22352.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7965].text |
謝謝委員提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[7966].start |
22352.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7966].end |
22354.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7966].text |
確實這個因為這個抗病毒的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7967].start |
22354.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7967].end |
22356.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7967].text |
要在早期投藥效果才會好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7968].start |
22356.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7968].end |
22358.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7968].text |
所以呢這個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7969].start |
22358.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7969].end |
22360.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7969].text |
希望這個比較高風險的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7970].start |
22360.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7970].end |
22362.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7970].text |
剛剛提到的有慢性病的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7971].start |
22362.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7971].end |
22364.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7971].text |
年紀大的呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7972].start |
22364.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7972].end |
22366.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7972].text |
那麼有症狀趕快就醫 |
| transcript.whisperx[7973].start |
22366.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7973].end |
22368.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7973].text |
然後有篩檢我們也有快篩 |
| transcript.whisperx[7974].start |
22368.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7974].end |
22370.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7974].text |
你在醫療體系裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7975].start |
22370.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7975].end |
22372.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7975].text |
你可以快篩快治 |
| transcript.whisperx[7976].start |
22372.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7976].end |
22374.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7976].text |
然後就可以給抗病毒的藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[7977].start |
22374.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7977].end |
22376.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7977].text |
就可以降低那個重症的病患 |
| transcript.whisperx[7978].start |
22376.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7978].end |
22378.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7978].text |
所以要全面的去啟動防堵起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7979].start |
22378.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7979].end |
22380.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7979].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7980].start |
22382.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7980].end |
22384.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7980].text |
從4月份開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[7981].start |
22384.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7981].end |
22386.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7981].text |
一直到所謂的6月30 |
| transcript.whisperx[7982].start |
22386.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7982].end |
22388.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7982].text |
一直到7月1號開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[7983].start |
22388.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7983].end |
22390.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7983].text |
一直到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7984].start |
22390.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7984].end |
22392.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7984].text |
到底人民吃下了多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[7985].start |
22393.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[7985].end |
22395.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[7985].text |
這油是毒的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7986].start |
22397.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7986].end |
22399.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7986].text |
到現在政府說不清楚 |
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說不清楚 |
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有告訴我們預防性下降 |
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就是成奴 |
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學校的部分 |
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從500多手800多手到1300多手 |
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也就是說我預防性下降 |
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就如此告訴我們 |
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但是民眾要知道的是什麼 |
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我到底吃下的油 |
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有沒有毒 |
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政府可不可以告訴我這個 |
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好 跟委員說明 |
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我們都有發佈 |
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這個相關的油品的品項 |
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22430.71 |
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他的產品的品項 |
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22430.71 |
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22432.71 |
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我們都在我們網路上有公告 |
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那目前就是那7批 |
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22436.71 |
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所以7批我們都詳細的 |
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把他所有的 |
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22440.71 |
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製造的日期跟他的品項的名稱 |
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22442.71 |
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公佈在食藥署的網頁 |
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22444.71 |
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大家可以查詢 |
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22446.71 |
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部長 我們討論過 |
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無數次 |
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22450.71 |
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為什麼到現在民眾不清楚 |
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22453.05 |
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所以我們繼續來討論 |
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22455.05 |
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發生的事情我們要知道 |
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22457.05 |
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他的原因在哪裡 |
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22459.05 |
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我們要怎麼樣去解決之 |
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22459.05 |
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22461.05 |
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所以現在我們要修法 |
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22463.05 |
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我們就針對修法來說 |
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22465.05 |
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那麼你修法不能 |
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22465.05 |
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22467.05 |
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只有做半套 |
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22469.05 |
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因為我們看到了 |
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22471.05 |
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食安法裡頭蓄意隱匿 |
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22473.05 |
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危害風險的企業 |
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22475.05 |
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到目前為止裁罰上限 |
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22475.05 |
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22477.05 |
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他這個蓄意的 |
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只有300萬 |
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22478.88 |
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22480.88 |
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那像這樣子的 |
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22482.88 |
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壟斷性的代工大廠 |
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22483.89 |
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22485.89 |
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這300萬對他們來講 |
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22485.89 |
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22487.89 |
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根本是獲利成本 |
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22487.89 |
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22489.89 |
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簡直是罰不怕 |
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22492.64 |
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所以在這樣的情況之下 |
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22495.07 |
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你說我屁有問題 |
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第六批還是有問題 |
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你們出來才願意 |
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22502.45 |
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針對第六批來道歉 |
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所以就是陳如剛剛所說的 |
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這個樣態目前的法 |
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是沒有辦法去應對 |
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22511.05 |
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所產生的困難跟情境 |
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22511.05 |
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22513.05 |
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是不是 |
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22515.05 |
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好這一個對 |
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22517.05 |
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所以我要請教明知道有毒 |
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22519.05 |
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但是選擇隱匿的行為 |
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22521.05 |
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你這一次的修法 |
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22523.05 |
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是不是應該要加重法冊 |
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22523.05 |
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22525.05 |
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除此之外你應該要將 |
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22525.05 |
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22527.05 |
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納入立德末路 |
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22527.05 |
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22529.05 |
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有沒有包括這一點 |
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跟委員說明 |
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22531.05 |
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22533.05 |
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這個非常樂意跟委員來討論 |
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22535.05 |
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這一次的修法 |
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22537.05 |
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那麼在這一次的事件裡面 |
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22539.05 |
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因為隱匿延遲通報 |
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22539.05 |
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22541.05 |
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才讓我們沒有辦法 |
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22543.05 |
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即時把這些油回收 |
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22545.05 |
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所以這個是最大二級 |
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就是這一次最重要的 |
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22549.05 |
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所以我們 |
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22548.73 |
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22550.73 |
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剛剛您這邊提到的 |
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22550.73 |
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22552.73 |
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只有三百萬太低 |
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22552.73 |
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22554.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8061].text |
所以我們現在的草案把它提到三千萬 |
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22554.73 |
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22556.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8062].text |
這個是隱匿延遲通報的部分 |
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22556.73 |
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22558.73 |
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由三百萬 |
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22558.73 |
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22560.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8064].text |
有法來成為三千萬 |
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22560.73 |
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22562.73 |
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對我們把它提高 |
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22562.73 |
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22564.73 |
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接下來呢 |
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22564.73 |
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22566.73 |
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那麼當然這個強化他的 |
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22566.73 |
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22568.73 |
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通報義務也是有的 |
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22568.73 |
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22570.73 |
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因為這一次的檢驗有的是 |
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22570.73 |
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22572.73 |
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立德末路的這一塊 |
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22572.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8071].end |
22574.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8071].text |
立德末路現在已經有 |
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22574.73 |
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22576.73 |
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現在因為他有刑事罪 |
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22576.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8073].end |
22578.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8073].text |
他這個還有刑事罪的 |
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22578.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8074].end |
22580.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8074].text |
他就會有立德末路 |
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22580.73 |
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22582.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8075].text |
立德末路一定要納入 |
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22582.73 |
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22584.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8076].text |
而且一定要執行執 |
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22584.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8077].end |
22586.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8077].text |
目前就是有刑事責任的 |
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22586.73 |
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22588.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8078].text |
接下來請說明 |
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22588.73 |
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22590.73 |
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那當然還有的就是 |
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22590.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8080].end |
22592.73 |
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要避免他脫禪 |
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22592.69 |
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22594.69 |
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你罰了之後他脫禪之後 |
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22594.69 |
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22596.69 |
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財產沒有給他 |
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22596.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8083].end |
22598.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8083].text |
先保全下來的話 |
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22598.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8084].end |
22600.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8084].text |
這個也沒有用 |
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22600.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8085].end |
22602.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8085].text |
所以這個修法 |
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22602.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8086].end |
22604.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8086].text |
我們也把它納進去 |
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22604.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8087].end |
22606.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8087].text |
我們會有假扣押 |
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22606.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8088].end |
22608.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8088].text |
所以我們會在這次修法裡面 |
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22608.69 |
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22610.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8089].text |
也把它明確入法 |
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22610.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8090].end |
22612.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8090].text |
那我們行政法的部分 |
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22612.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8091].end |
22614.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8091].text |
也搭配假扣押 |
| transcript.whisperx[8092].start |
22614.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8092].end |
22616.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8092].text |
所謂的修法不能只做半套 |
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22616.4 |
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22618.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8093].text |
也就是我們針對吹哨者的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8094].start |
22618.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8094].end |
22620.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8094].text |
保護法的制度化 |
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22620.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8095].end |
22622.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8095].text |
您的看法呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8096].start |
22624.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[8096].end |
22626.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[8096].text |
吹哨者在我們目前的制度裡面 |
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22626.01 |
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22628.01 |
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是有的 |
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但是如果你是應該 |
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就要通報 |
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像這次南橋依法你就是要通報 |
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那你盡都延遲通報了 |
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也沒有什麼叫做 |
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保護吹哨者 |
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吹哨者不是義務通報人 |
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但是他願意通報 |
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給主管機關 |
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那麼這個就是符合吹哨者的保護 |
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在目前的食安法裡面有 |
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因為我們有要求 |
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如果他的員工他去舉報 |
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那他還要被放掉 |
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那是不公平的 |
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所以這一定要保護吹哨法 |
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讓他法制化 |
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這一定要納入 |
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你才可以每一個管道都會暢通 |
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對就是排除義務通報人 |
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義務通報人是沒有所謂的 |
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吹哨者保護的 |
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接下來人家要跟你討論 |
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那發生的這個事情 |
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下游的廠商 |
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幾乎一千三百家以上 |
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就像每一個地方 |
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包括我個人的選區 |
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我們有烘焙房 |
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我們有小磁碳 |
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那因為這樣子 |
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而導致他的庫存 |
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通通必須要預防性的下降 |
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他的庫存也要被銷毀 |
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他的營收當然直接的就斷頭 |
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這些的損失 |
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中小企業的損失 |
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他不能是成為 |
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他已經成為被動的受害者 |
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那這些被動的受害者 |
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要怎麼辦 |
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要怎麼辦你們怎麼處理 |
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就像本席上次跟你討論的 |
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我這個有 我有發票 |
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你說可以這個退 |
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沒有發票怎麼辦 |
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到現在你們還沒有研究出來 |
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跟現在本席第二個議題 |
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這些下游的 |
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被動式的受害者 |
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他要怎麼辦 |
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而且他幾乎都是在最底層的 |
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最辛苦的這些人怎麼辦 |
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我想這個分三段 |
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跟委員說明第一個 |
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如果是民眾的部分 |
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那麼在我們現在有啟動 |
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對於這個退費退貨的協助 |
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那麼在我們的食安基金裡面 |
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也能夠協助這個團體訴訟的一些費用 |
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所以這個是對 |
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這個消費者的部分 |
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那第二個呢是 |
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如果你是直接那麼對應 |
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這個有問題的產品的 |
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那球場賠償的部分 |
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當然是應該由加害者來賠償 |
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也不應該由政府來賠 |
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22770.7 |
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也不應該由政府來賠 |
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22770.7 |
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22772.7 |
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那麼另外有一套是我們現在 |
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22774.7 |
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在食安法裡面現在在討論的 |
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22774.7 |
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就是配合政府的政策 |
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預防性下架 |
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22778.7 |
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22780.7 |
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但是他基本上是合格的產品 |
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22781.84 |
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22783.84 |
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像這一次我們是為了要 |
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22783.84 |
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22785.84 |
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保護這個所有的食安 |
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22785.84 |
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22787.84 |
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所以我們擴大預防性下架 |
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讓4到6月 |
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22791.84 |
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後來檢驗完之後 |
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22793.84 |
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那麼再重新上架 |
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22795.84 |
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如果因為是配合政府的預防性的 |
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22797.84 |
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下架而有的損失 |
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22797.84 |
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我們可以用食安基金來研議 |
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22801.84 |
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來給他補助 |
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22801.84 |
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22803.84 |
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這個現在 |
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22803.84 |
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22805.84 |
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因為針對這些因為供應鏈斷電 |
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22805.84 |
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22807.84 |
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而遭受到他的產業 |
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22807.84 |
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22809.84 |
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他的經濟損害的業者 |
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22809.84 |
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22811.84 |
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應該要提出具體的緊急補償 |
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22811.84 |
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22813.84 |
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以及紓困的支持方案 |
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22813.84 |
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22815.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8188].text |
協助他們度過這個難關 |
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22815.84 |
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22817.84 |
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他是被動的受害 |
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22817.84 |
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22819.84 |
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在這段期間我們都有協調 |
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22819.84 |
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22821.84 |
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經濟部有協助去協調 |
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22821.84 |
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22823.84 |
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這個增加供應 |
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22823.84 |
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22825.84 |
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所以這個 |
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22825.84 |
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22827.84 |
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這個沙拉油的 |
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22827.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8195].end |
22829.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8195].text |
大多數沙拉油的供應是沒有問題 |
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22829.84 |
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22831.84 |
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不是增加供應的問題 |
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22831.84 |
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22833.84 |
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而是我已經因為 |
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22834.59 |
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22836.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8198].text |
這個供應鏈的壟斷 |
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22836.59 |
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22838.59 |
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而遭受到 |
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22838.59 |
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22840.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8200].text |
經濟損失的這些業者 |
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22841.96 |
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22843.96 |
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那你們應該要提出協助的方案出來 |
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22843.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8202].end |
22845.96 |
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你務必一定要去做 |
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22845.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8203].end |
22847.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8203].text |
接下來本期要跟你討論的 |
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22847.96 |
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22849.96 |
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也就是說 |
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22849.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8205].end |
22851.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8205].text |
你這個三級品管的部分 |
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22851.96 |
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22853.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8206].text |
我要具體 |
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22856.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8207].end |
22858.21 |
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來建議 |
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22857.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8208].end |
22859.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8208].text |
不要讓三級毒品的一個品管 |
| transcript.whisperx[8209].start |
22859.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8209].end |
22861.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8209].text |
你只是淪為口號 |
| transcript.whisperx[8210].start |
22862.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8210].end |
22864.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8210].text |
因為我們要等你 |
| transcript.whisperx[8211].start |
22866.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8211].end |
22868.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8211].text |
政府在以色列方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8212].start |
22868.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8212].end |
22870.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8212].text |
跟擠牙膏一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8213].start |
22870.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8213].end |
22872.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8213].text |
這些不行 那些不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[8214].start |
22872.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8214].end |
22874.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8214].text |
讓民眾看得密密麻麻 |
| transcript.whisperx[8215].start |
22874.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8215].end |
22876.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8215].text |
那應該你是要有數位系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[8216].start |
22876.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8216].end |
22880.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8216].text |
跟這個關鍵節點的一個監管 |
| transcript.whisperx[8217].start |
22880.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8217].end |
22882.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8217].text |
你要真正的上線 |
| transcript.whisperx[8218].start |
22882.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8218].end |
22884.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8218].text |
讓民眾很清楚的可以知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[8219].start |
22884.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8219].end |
22886.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8219].text |
到底現在是怎麼一回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[8220].start |
22886.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8220].end |
22888.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8220].text |
我要買什麼 我吃下了有沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8221].start |
22889.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8221].end |
22891.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8221].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[8222].start |
22891.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8222].end |
22893.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8222].text |
其實會看到密密麻麻 |
| transcript.whisperx[8223].start |
22893.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8223].end |
22895.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8223].text |
就是因為我們之前這個食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[8224].start |
22895.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8224].end |
22897.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8224].text |
可以把製造端馬上抓到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8225].start |
22897.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8225].end |
22899.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8225].text |
所以在一開始才有這麼多的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[8226].start |
22899.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8226].end |
22901.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8226].text |
看起來密密麻麻 |
| transcript.whisperx[8227].start |
22901.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8227].end |
22903.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8227].text |
這個也是過去建構起來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8228].start |
22903.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8228].end |
22905.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8228].text |
系統的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[8229].start |
22905.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8229].end |
22909.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8229].text |
現在要擴大到販售業 |
| transcript.whisperx[8230].start |
22909.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8230].end |
22911.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8230].text |
我們之前是著重在製造業 |
| transcript.whisperx[8231].start |
22911.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8231].end |
22913.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8231].text |
那麼接下來可能販售業 |
| transcript.whisperx[8232].start |
22913.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8232].end |
22915.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8232].text |
也要納進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8233].start |
22915.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8233].end |
22917.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8233].text |
所以這個是未來我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[8234].start |
22917.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8234].end |
22919.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8234].text |
要一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8235].start |
22919.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8235].end |
22921.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8235].text |
數位系統你要立即啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[8236].start |
22921.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8236].end |
22923.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8236].text |
還不是未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8237].start |
22923.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8237].end |
22925.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8237].text |
現在就要趕快去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[8238].start |
22925.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8238].end |
22927.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8238].text |
因為這個廠商更多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8239].start |
22927.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8239].end |
22929.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8239].text |
數位系統的一個啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[8240].start |
22929.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8240].end |
22931.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8240].text |
是非常的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[8241].start |
22931.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8241].end |
22933.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8241].text |
因為關鍵節點的監管 |
| transcript.whisperx[8242].start |
22933.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8242].end |
22935.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8242].text |
我們也會跟財政部大家來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[8243].start |
22935.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8243].end |
22937.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8243].text |
透過電子發票的方式來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[8244].start |
22938.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[8244].end |
22940.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[8244].text |
業者更多啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8245].start |
22940.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[8245].end |
22942.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[8245].text |
不是現在幾萬家而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[8246].start |
22942.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8246].end |
22944.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8246].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[8247].start |
22943.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8247].end |
22945.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8247].text |
部長數位數位圓 |
| transcript.whisperx[8248].start |
22946.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8248].end |
22948.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8248].text |
數位數位圓非常非常的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[8249].start |
22948.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8249].end |
22950.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8249].text |
因為民眾看到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8250].start |
22950.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8250].end |
22952.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8250].text |
就跟我們所說的以色列裡頭的清單 |
| transcript.whisperx[8251].start |
22952.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8251].end |
22954.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8251].text |
那現在你也同意本期的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8252].start |
22954.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8252].end |
22956.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8252].text |
我們要怎麼樣在結盟業者等 |
| transcript.whisperx[8253].start |
22956.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8253].end |
22958.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8253].text |
怎麼樣去精進這個數位化 |
| transcript.whisperx[8254].start |
22958.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8254].end |
22960.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8254].text |
我們一定要建立一個數位化 |
| transcript.whisperx[8255].start |
22960.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8255].end |
22962.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8255].text |
即使可查詢的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8256].start |
22962.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8256].end |
22964.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8256].text |
食安預警之循環 |
| transcript.whisperx[8257].start |
22964.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8257].end |
22966.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8257].text |
這個很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[8258].start |
22966.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8258].end |
22968.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8258].text |
可不可以做得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8259].start |
22968.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8259].end |
22970.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8259].text |
我們非常贊同委員的這個看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8260].start |
22970.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8260].end |
22972.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8260].text |
也是我們現在努力的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[8261].start |
22972.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8261].end |
22974.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8261].text |
所以也請委員支持我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[8262].start |
22974.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8262].end |
22976.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8262].text |
你趕快做你現在發生問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8263].start |
22976.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8263].end |
22978.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8263].text |
你還要未來你還要立即啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[8264].start |
22978.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8264].end |
22980.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8264].text |
去做整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[8265].start |
22980.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8265].end |
22982.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8265].text |
所以我們也需要有預算來支持這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8266].start |
22982.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8266].end |
22984.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8266].text |
第二個缺少者保護法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8267].start |
22984.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8267].end |
22986.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8267].text |
剛剛本席所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8268].start |
22986.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8268].end |
22988.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8268].text |
你們也一定要納入在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8269].start |
22988.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8269].end |
22990.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8269].text |
保護這些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8270].start |
22990.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8270].end |
22992.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8270].text |
人家才敢給你舉法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8271].start |
22992.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8271].end |
22994.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8271].text |
不然你永遠就一句話隱匿 |
| transcript.whisperx[8272].start |
22994.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8272].end |
22996.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8272].text |
所以我沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8273].start |
22996.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8273].end |
22998.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8273].text |
這不是推脫支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[8274].start |
22998.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8274].end |
23000.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8274].text |
政府的責任就是有政府的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[8275].start |
23000.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8275].end |
23002.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8275].text |
所以我要再一次的強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[8276].start |
23002.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8276].end |
23004.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8276].text |
也就是說發生了這麼重大的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[8277].start |
23004.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8277].end |
23006.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8277].text |
不管在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8278].start |
23006.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8278].end |
23008.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8278].text |
這個救急的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[8279].start |
23008.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8279].end |
23010.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8279].text |
要怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[8280].start |
23010.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8280].end |
23012.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8280].text |
不管在未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8281].start |
23013.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8281].end |
23015.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8281].text |
這個救本的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[8282].start |
23015.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8282].end |
23017.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8282].text |
要怎麼樣讓民眾能夠安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[8283].start |
23017.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8283].end |
23019.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8283].text |
我相信這個是民眾所期待的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8284].start |
23019.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8284].end |
23021.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8284].text |
剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8285].start |
23021.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8285].end |
23023.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8285].text |
我也去看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8286].start |
23023.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8286].end |
23025.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8286].text |
我們總統府的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8287].start |
23025.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8287].end |
23027.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8287].text |
這幾個孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[8288].start |
23027.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8288].end |
23029.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8288].text |
大家為了這個食安願意各種方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[8289].start |
23029.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8289].end |
23031.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8289].text |
去讓政府看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8290].start |
23031.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8290].end |
23033.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8290].text |
我們的需求是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[8291].start |
23033.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8291].end |
23035.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8291].text |
你會去看看他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[8292].start |
23035.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8292].end |
23037.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8292].text |
我想我們有很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8293].start |
23037.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8293].end |
23039.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8293].text |
表達的方式跟溝通的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[8294].start |
23039.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8294].end |
23041.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8294].text |
那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[8295].start |
23041.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8295].end |
23043.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8295].text |
還是保重身體 |
| transcript.whisperx[8296].start |
23048.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8296].end |
23050.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8296].text |
謝謝楊強英委員的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8297].start |
23050.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8297].end |
23052.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8297].text |
接下來請陳寅委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8298].start |
23073.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[8298].end |
23075.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[8298].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[8299].start |
23108.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8299].end |
23110.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8299].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[8300].start |
23110.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8300].end |
23112.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8300].text |
麻煩請 |
| transcript.whisperx[8301].start |
23112.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[8301].end |
23114.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[8301].text |
衛福部時部長跟食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[8302].start |
23114.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[8302].end |
23116.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[8302].text |
江署長還有農業部的代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[8303].start |
23116.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[8303].end |
23118.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[8303].text |
請以上官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[8304].start |
23119.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[8304].end |
23121.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[8304].text |
這位也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8305].start |
23121.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[8305].end |
23123.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[8305].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8306].start |
23123.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8306].end |
23125.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8306].text |
大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8307].start |
23125.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8307].end |
23127.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8307].text |
那我們今天討論的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8308].start |
23127.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8308].end |
23129.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8308].text |
蘋果的這個除蟲用藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[8309].start |
23129.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8309].end |
23131.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8309].text |
分譜泥的這個許可殘留標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[8310].start |
23131.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8310].end |
23133.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8310].text |
那首先呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8311].start |
23133.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8311].end |
23135.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8311].text |
就是台灣農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[8312].start |
23135.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8312].end |
23137.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8312].text |
如果名稱帶有泥這個字的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8313].start |
23137.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8313].end |
23139.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8313].text |
通常大概就是指 |
| transcript.whisperx[8314].start |
23139.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8314].end |
23141.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8314].text |
合成除蟲菊精類 |
| transcript.whisperx[8315].start |
23141.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8315].end |
23143.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8315].text |
的殺蟲劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[8316].start |
23143.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8316].end |
23145.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8316].text |
那常見的有百面泥啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8317].start |
23145.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8317].end |
23147.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8317].text |
塞面泥還有地面泥等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[8318].start |
23147.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8318].end |
23149.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8318].text |
這一類的這個農藥效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8319].start |
23149.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8319].end |
23151.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8319].text |
好毒性低 |
| transcript.whisperx[8320].start |
23151.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8320].end |
23153.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8320].text |
那接下來這個農田除蟲或居家環境的防蚊蟲 |
| transcript.whisperx[8321].start |
23153.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8321].end |
23155.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8321].text |
這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8322].start |
23155.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8322].end |
23157.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8322].text |
對吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[8323].start |
23156.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8323].end |
23158.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8323].text |
委員的這個農藥的知識可能比我高啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8324].start |
23158.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8324].end |
23160.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8324].text |
所以我不敢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8325].start |
23160.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8325].end |
23162.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8325].text |
有幫你請農業部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8326].start |
23162.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8326].end |
23164.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8326].text |
農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[8327].start |
23164.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8327].end |
23166.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8327].text |
剛剛講的應該沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8328].start |
23166.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8328].end |
23168.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8328].text |
大致上是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8329].start |
23168.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8329].end |
23170.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8329].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[8330].start |
23170.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8330].end |
23172.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8330].text |
那我們這一次的這個爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[8331].start |
23172.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8331].end |
23174.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8331].text |
主要是在這個蘋果的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8332].start |
23174.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8332].end |
23176.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8332].text |
農藥殘留容許量的標準的分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[8333].start |
23176.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8333].end |
23178.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8333].text |
那我們的法規呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8334].start |
23178.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8334].end |
23180.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8334].text |
不同工效的農藥在不同的蔬果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8335].start |
23180.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8335].end |
23182.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8335].text |
標準也是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8336].start |
23182.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8336].end |
23184.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8336].text |
那有些蔬果呢在特定的這個農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[8337].start |
23184.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8337].end |
23186.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8337].text |
不一定 |
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23186.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8338].end |
23188.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8338].text |
它不一定有這個單獨的容許標準 |
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23188.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8339].end |
23190.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8339].text |
也因此 |
| transcript.whisperx[8340].start |
23190.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8340].end |
23192.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8340].text |
就是說在今年的4月21日 |
| transcript.whisperx[8341].start |
23192.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8341].end |
23194.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8341].text |
新修訂的這個農藥殘留容許量 |
| transcript.whisperx[8342].start |
23194.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8342].end |
23196.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8342].text |
標準表裡面呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8343].start |
23196.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8343].end |
23198.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8343].text |
蘋果本來是屬於其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[8344].start |
23198.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8344].end |
23200.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8344].text |
乾果類是用標準為0.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8345].start |
23200.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8345].end |
23202.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8345].text |
ppm結果是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8346].start |
23202.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8346].end |
23204.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8346].text |
修訂之後呢又單獨將 |
| transcript.whisperx[8347].start |
23204.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8347].end |
23206.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8347].text |
蘋果列為一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[8348].start |
23206.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8348].end |
23208.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8348].text |
標準變成3ppm那我想要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[8349].start |
23208.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8349].end |
23210.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8349].text |
署長喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[8350].start |
23210.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8350].end |
23212.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8350].text |
您之前是台大醫學院 |
| transcript.whisperx[8351].start |
23212.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8351].end |
23214.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8351].text |
醫師 醫師自己學研究所的教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[8352].start |
23214.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8352].end |
23216.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8352].text |
然後您又是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8353].start |
23216.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8353].end |
23218.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8353].text |
腎臟科的醫師喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[8354].start |
23218.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8354].end |
23220.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8354].text |
那以前喔在這個門診 |
| transcript.whisperx[8355].start |
23220.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8355].end |
23222.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8355].text |
就是說在這個門診當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[8356].start |
23222.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8356].end |
23224.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8356].text |
您有沒有看過這個芬普寧中毒的病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8357].start |
23225.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8357].end |
23227.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8357].text |
報告委員是沒有預估 |
| transcript.whisperx[8358].start |
23227.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8358].end |
23229.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8358].text |
那我再請教一下喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[8359].start |
23229.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8359].end |
23231.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8359].text |
他的這個毒性 |
| transcript.whisperx[8360].start |
23231.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8360].end |
23233.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8360].text |
很大嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8361].start |
23233.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8361].end |
23235.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8361].text |
就是說在人體 |
| transcript.whisperx[8362].start |
23235.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8362].end |
23237.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8362].text |
體內代謝的速度如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[8363].start |
23237.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8363].end |
23239.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8363].text |
我們一天大概就是容許量 |
| transcript.whisperx[8364].start |
23239.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8364].end |
23241.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8364].text |
是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[8365].start |
23241.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8365].end |
23243.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8365].text |
比較實際換算一下就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8366].start |
23243.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8366].end |
23245.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8366].text |
比如說要在多久時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[8367].start |
23245.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8367].end |
23247.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8367].text |
內服用多少劑量 |
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23247.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8368].end |
23249.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8368].text |
他會中毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[8369].start |
23251.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8369].end |
23253.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8369].text |
報告委員這個農藥的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[8370].start |
23253.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8370].end |
23255.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8370].text |
我們都會針對他的激性中毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[8371].start |
23255.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8371].end |
23257.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8371].text |
跟我們一般的慢性長期 |
| transcript.whisperx[8372].start |
23257.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8372].end |
23259.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8372].text |
慢性長期我們的容許量 |
| transcript.whisperx[8373].start |
23259.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8373].end |
23261.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8373].text |
我們是每天吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[8374].start |
23261.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8374].end |
23263.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8374].text |
隨時吃 吃一輩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[8375].start |
23263.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8375].end |
23265.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8375].text |
那我們算出芬普寧這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8376].start |
23265.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8376].end |
23267.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8376].text |
蘋果訂出來的劑量 |
| transcript.whisperx[8377].start |
23267.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8377].end |
23269.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8377].text |
大概是我們可以接受的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8378].start |
23269.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8378].end |
23271.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8378].text |
大概30%還不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8379].start |
23271.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8379].end |
23273.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8379].text |
40%所以在整體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8380].start |
23273.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8380].end |
23275.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8380].text |
風險評估底下我們認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[8381].start |
23275.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8381].end |
23277.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8381].text |
他是在這個範圍內 |
| transcript.whisperx[8382].start |
23277.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8382].end |
23279.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8382].text |
是可接受的那這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[8383].start |
23279.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8383].end |
23281.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8383].text |
所以蘋果基準也是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8384].start |
23281.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8384].end |
23283.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8384].text |
食品安全風險評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[8385].start |
23283.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8385].end |
23285.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8385].text |
諮議會裡面的委員都確認過 |
| transcript.whisperx[8386].start |
23285.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8386].end |
23287.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8386].text |
那前端實際上在農業部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8387].start |
23287.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8387].end |
23289.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8387].text |
農藥試驗所裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8388].start |
23289.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8388].end |
23291.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8388].text |
協助做這個以 |
| transcript.whisperx[8389].start |
23291.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8389].end |
23293.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8389].text |
國際的OECD的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8390].start |
23293.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8390].end |
23295.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8390].text |
計算方式得到的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8391].start |
23295.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8391].end |
23297.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8391].text |
公式確立下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8392].start |
23297.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8392].end |
23299.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8392].text |
這公式一定是前端有非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[8393].start |
23299.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8393].end |
23301.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8393].text |
好的所謂的優良的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8394].start |
23301.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8394].end |
23303.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8394].text |
農業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8395].start |
23303.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8395].end |
23305.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8395].text |
Practice才能夠去進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[8396].start |
23305.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8396].end |
23307.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8396].text |
我們的計算公式 |
| transcript.whisperx[8397].start |
23307.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8397].end |
23309.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8397].text |
所以這個算出來也搭配了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8398].start |
23309.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8398].end |
23311.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8398].text |
我們的飲食的叫食物菜籃 |
| transcript.whisperx[8399].start |
23311.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8399].end |
23313.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8399].text |
加上我們的田間所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[8400].start |
23313.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8400].end |
23315.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8400].text |
綜合考量之後的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8401].start |
23315.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8401].end |
23317.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8401].text |
當初送來的是5ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8402].start |
23317.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8402].end |
23319.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8402].text |
我們算完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[8403].start |
23319.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8403].end |
23321.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8403].text |
其實是沒有採納5ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8404].start |
23321.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8404].end |
23323.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8404].text |
我這樣問好了啦因為您是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8405].start |
23323.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8405].end |
23325.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8405].text |
教授又是醫生 |
| transcript.whisperx[8406].start |
23325.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8406].end |
23327.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8406].text |
那您講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8407].start |
23327.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8407].end |
23329.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8407].text |
未必所有的民眾都會在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8408].start |
23329.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8408].end |
23331.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8408].text |
第一時間最短的時間都完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[8409].start |
23331.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8409].end |
23333.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8409].text |
聽得懂所以我簡單的問 |
| transcript.whisperx[8410].start |
23333.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8410].end |
23335.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8410].text |
就是說因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[8411].start |
23335.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8411].end |
23337.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8411].text |
我也這樣查詢嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8412].start |
23337.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8412].end |
23339.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8412].text |
我們講一顆 |
| transcript.whisperx[8413].start |
23339.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8413].end |
23341.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8413].text |
這顆蘋果還不算 |
| transcript.whisperx[8414].start |
23341.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8414].end |
23343.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8414].text |
太大啦就是差不多中型 |
| transcript.whisperx[8415].start |
23343.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8415].end |
23345.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8415].text |
中型的這個蘋果250克 |
| transcript.whisperx[8416].start |
23345.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8416].end |
23347.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8416].text |
左右那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8417].start |
23347.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8417].end |
23349.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8417].text |
分普寧含量3.0ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8418].start |
23349.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8418].end |
23351.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8418].text |
我如果短時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[8419].start |
23351.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8419].end |
23353.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8419].text |
內我要吃多少顆 |
| transcript.whisperx[8420].start |
23353.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8420].end |
23355.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8420].text |
我才會這個分普寧中毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[8421].start |
23357.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8421].end |
23359.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8421].text |
我們實際上沒有精確的算 |
| transcript.whisperx[8422].start |
23359.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8422].end |
23361.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8422].text |
以極限中毒的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8423].start |
23361.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8423].end |
23363.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8423].text |
那可能是要吃幾十顆這個蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8424].start |
23363.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8424].end |
23365.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8424].text |
才會有這樣的其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[8425].start |
23365.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8425].end |
23367.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8425].text |
上百顆 |
| transcript.whisperx[8426].start |
23367.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8426].end |
23369.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8426].text |
其實我查詢了一下啦就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8427].start |
23369.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8427].end |
23371.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8427].text |
以這樣的標準就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8428].start |
23371.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8428].end |
23373.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8428].text |
可能要吃到數十公斤 |
| transcript.whisperx[8429].start |
23373.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8429].end |
23375.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8429].text |
甚至上百公斤 |
| transcript.whisperx[8430].start |
23375.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8430].end |
23377.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8430].text |
就是含超標的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8431].start |
23377.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8431].end |
23379.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8431].text |
生鮮蔬果而且在短時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[8432].start |
23379.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8432].end |
23381.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8432].text |
它才會中毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[8433].start |
23381.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8433].end |
23383.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8433].text |
比較會撐死掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[8434].start |
23383.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8434].end |
23385.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8434].text |
那比較危險可能不建議這樣吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[8435].start |
23385.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8435].end |
23387.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8435].text |
好那我們就換算嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8436].start |
23387.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8436].end |
23389.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8436].text |
所以我算了一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8437].start |
23389.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8437].end |
23391.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8437].text |
他說達上百公斤的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8438].start |
23391.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8438].end |
23393.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8438].text |
那一百公斤這個250克 |
| transcript.whisperx[8439].start |
23393.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8439].end |
23395.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8439].text |
一顆的這個蘋果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8440].start |
23395.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8440].end |
23397.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8440].text |
大概也要吃到四百 |
| transcript.whisperx[8441].start |
23397.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8441].end |
23399.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8441].text |
顆在很短的時間內 |
| transcript.whisperx[8442].start |
23399.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8442].end |
23401.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8442].text |
那所以可能還沒中毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[8443].start |
23401.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8443].end |
23403.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8443].text |
就已經撐死了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8444].start |
23403.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8444].end |
23405.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8444].text |
那接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8445].start |
23405.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8445].end |
23407.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8445].text |
我要再請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8446].start |
23407.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8446].end |
23409.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8446].text |
就是署長就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8447].start |
23409.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8447].end |
23411.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8447].text |
ppm是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8448].start |
23411.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8448].end |
23413.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8448].text |
ppb的多少倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[8449].start |
23413.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[8449].end |
23415.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[8449].text |
這個是千倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[8450].start |
23415.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[8450].end |
23417.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[8450].text |
那是不是這個容許 |
| transcript.whisperx[8451].start |
23417.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[8451].end |
23419.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[8451].text |
標準指定的越低 |
| transcript.whisperx[8452].start |
23419.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[8452].end |
23421.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[8452].text |
那代表對人體的毒性就越大 |
| transcript.whisperx[8453].start |
23423.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[8453].end |
23425.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[8453].text |
所以他比較毒才會這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[8454].start |
23425.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[8454].end |
23427.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[8454].text |
那再來我們從這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8455].start |
23427.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[8455].end |
23429.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[8455].text |
奈米銀的毒理學來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[8456].start |
23429.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[8456].end |
23431.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[8456].text |
就等於是說單位重量的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8457].start |
23431.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[8457].end |
23433.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[8457].text |
這個表面積越大 |
| transcript.whisperx[8458].start |
23433.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[8458].end |
23435.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[8458].text |
它是不是就是毒性會越強 |
| transcript.whisperx[8459].start |
23443.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8459].end |
23445.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8459].text |
單位面積的表面積越大 |
| transcript.whisperx[8460].start |
23445.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8460].end |
23447.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8460].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8461].start |
23447.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8461].end |
23449.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8461].text |
這個題目有點聽不懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[8462].start |
23449.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8462].end |
23451.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8462].text |
但原則上是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8463].start |
23451.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8463].end |
23453.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8463].text |
其實就是我這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[8464].start |
23453.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8464].end |
23455.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8464].text |
就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[8465].start |
23452.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[8465].end |
23454.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[8465].text |
因為 啊 或者我再換一個比較好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8466].start |
23454.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[8466].end |
23456.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[8466].text |
這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[8467].start |
23456.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8467].end |
23458.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8467].text |
你看喔 都一克的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8468].start |
23458.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8468].end |
23460.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8468].text |
這樣的一克跟這樣的一克 |
| transcript.whisperx[8469].start |
23460.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8469].end |
23462.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8469].text |
它這個表面積就是它的皮啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8470].start |
23462.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8470].end |
23464.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8470].text |
面積會比較大的意思啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8471].start |
23464.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8471].end |
23466.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8471].text |
是 好所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[8472].start |
23466.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8472].end |
23468.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8472].text |
所以我剛剛的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8473].start |
23468.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8473].end |
23470.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8473].text |
就是這樣子 所以就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8474].start |
23470.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8474].end |
23472.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8474].text |
單位重量的這個表面積越大 |
| transcript.whisperx[8475].start |
23472.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8475].end |
23474.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8475].text |
它的毒性是不是就越強 |
| transcript.whisperx[8476].start |
23474.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8476].end |
23476.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8476].text |
好 當然是肯定的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8477].start |
23476.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8477].end |
23478.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8477].text |
那所以等於我剛剛講就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8478].start |
23478.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8478].end |
23480.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8478].text |
我剛剛拿了一顆櫻桃 |
| transcript.whisperx[8479].start |
23480.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8479].end |
23482.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8479].text |
跟一顆的蘋果嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8480].start |
23482.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8480].end |
23484.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8480].text |
那一克這個整顆櫻桃 |
| transcript.whisperx[8481].start |
23484.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8481].end |
23486.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8481].text |
的表面積它肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[8482].start |
23486.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8482].end |
23488.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8482].text |
肯定就是比這一顆 |
| transcript.whisperx[8483].start |
23488.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8483].end |
23490.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8483].text |
蘋果的表面積還要大啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8484].start |
23490.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8484].end |
23492.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8484].text |
你一口就整個皮也都 |
| transcript.whisperx[8485].start |
23492.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8485].end |
23494.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8485].text |
吃下去了嘛 好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8486].start |
23494.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8486].end |
23496.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8486].text |
那 我查了一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8487].start |
23496.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8487].end |
23498.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8487].text |
你們新的這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[8488].start |
23498.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8488].end |
23500.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8488].text |
表第86也 |
| transcript.whisperx[8489].start |
23500.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8489].end |
23502.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8489].text |
發現櫻桃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8490].start |
23502.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8490].end |
23504.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8490].text |
這個標準是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8491].start |
23504.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8491].end |
23506.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8491].text |
3ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8492].start |
23506.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8492].end |
23508.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8492].text |
那 葡萄呢 我這邊還有葡萄 |
| transcript.whisperx[8493].start |
23508.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8493].end |
23510.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8493].text |
這麼小顆 比櫻桃還小的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8494].start |
23511.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8494].end |
23513.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8494].text |
好 那我們再跟這個蘋果再比一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8495].start |
23514.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[8495].end |
23516.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[8495].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8496].start |
23515.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8496].end |
23517.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8496].text |
這麼小的葡萄 |
| transcript.whisperx[8497].start |
23517.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8497].end |
23519.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8497].text |
那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8498].start |
23519.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8498].end |
23521.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8498].text |
葡萄 |
| transcript.whisperx[8499].start |
23521.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8499].end |
23523.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8499].text |
葡萄是5ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8500].start |
23523.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8500].end |
23525.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8500].text |
那農藥一般是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8501].start |
23525.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8501].end |
23527.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8501].text |
殘留在果皮上 |
| transcript.whisperx[8502].start |
23527.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8502].end |
23529.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8502].text |
所以你們的標準檢驗方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8503].start |
23529.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8503].end |
23531.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8503].text |
只是針對果皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[8504].start |
23531.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8504].end |
23533.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8504].text |
去測量 |
| transcript.whisperx[8505].start |
23533.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8505].end |
23535.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8505].text |
這個殘留量還是果皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[8506].start |
23535.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8506].end |
23537.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8506].text |
跟果肉攪拌均勻 |
| transcript.whisperx[8507].start |
23537.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8507].end |
23539.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8507].text |
之後一起測 |
| transcript.whisperx[8508].start |
23539.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8508].end |
23541.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8508].text |
這個都是打碎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8509].start |
23541.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8509].end |
23543.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8509].text |
好 都打碎嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8510].start |
23543.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8510].end |
23545.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8510].text |
你們也不用擔心 農業部在旁邊會幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[8511].start |
23545.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8511].end |
23547.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8511].text |
那如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8512].start |
23547.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8512].end |
23549.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8512].text |
果皮跟果肉 |
| transcript.whisperx[8513].start |
23549.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8513].end |
23551.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8513].text |
是一起測的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8514].start |
23551.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8514].end |
23553.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8514].text |
那殘留的農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[8515].start |
23553.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8515].end |
23555.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8515].text |
又是只會出現在果皮上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8516].start |
23555.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8516].end |
23557.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8516].text |
一般大部分是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8517].start |
23558.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[8517].end |
23560.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[8517].text |
好 那標準的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[8518].start |
23560.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[8518].end |
23562.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[8518].text |
又是重量對重量的ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8519].start |
23562.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[8519].end |
23564.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[8519].text |
好 那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[8520].start |
23564.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[8520].end |
23566.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[8520].text |
我剛剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8521].start |
23566.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[8521].end |
23568.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[8521].text |
大顆的蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8522].start |
23568.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[8522].end |
23570.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[8522].text |
跟這個體積小的蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8523].start |
23570.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[8523].end |
23572.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[8523].text |
我這兩顆哪一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8524].start |
23572.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[8524].end |
23574.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[8524].text |
比較容易超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[8525].start |
23575.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8525].end |
23577.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8525].text |
正常推理的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8526].start |
23577.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8526].end |
23579.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8526].text |
看他表面積嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8527].start |
23581.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8527].end |
23583.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8527].text |
這個你不要害怕啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8528].start |
23583.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8528].end |
23585.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8528].text |
你們不要很緊張 |
| transcript.whisperx[8529].start |
23585.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8529].end |
23587.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8529].text |
我沒有要害你們 其實很簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[8530].start |
23587.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8530].end |
23589.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8530].text |
剛剛就是講了嘛 這個表面積 |
| transcript.whisperx[8531].start |
23589.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8531].end |
23591.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8531].text |
這個就是說你越小顆 |
| transcript.whisperx[8532].start |
23591.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8532].end |
23593.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8532].text |
表面積它比例上 |
| transcript.whisperx[8533].start |
23593.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8533].end |
23595.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8533].text |
比例上會越大 所以原理 |
| transcript.whisperx[8534].start |
23595.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8534].end |
23597.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8534].text |
是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[8535].start |
23599.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8535].end |
23601.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8535].text |
所以大小顆比較起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8536].start |
23601.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8536].end |
23603.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8536].text |
體積小的蘋果樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[8537].start |
23603.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8537].end |
23605.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8537].text |
其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[8538].start |
23604.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8538].end |
23606.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8538].text |
是比較容易超標啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8539].start |
23606.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8539].end |
23608.38 |
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正常這樣換算起來是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8540].start |
23608.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8540].end |
23610.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8540].text |
所以我再回到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8541].start |
23610.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8541].end |
23612.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8541].text |
早上一開始我們會議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8542].start |
23612.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8542].end |
23614.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8542].text |
我們有一群 |
| transcript.whisperx[8543].start |
23614.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8543].end |
23616.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8543].text |
坐在中央這個中間 |
| transcript.whisperx[8544].start |
23616.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8544].end |
23618.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8544].text |
位置的那些委員們 不是養藥委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[8545].start |
23620.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8545].end |
23622.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8545].text |
那個 那我們早上 |
| transcript.whisperx[8546].start |
23622.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8546].end |
23624.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8546].text |
坐在那一群的 坐中間那一群 |
| transcript.whisperx[8547].start |
23624.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8547].end |
23626.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8547].text |
大部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8548].start |
23626.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8548].end |
23628.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8548].text |
就是前兩案的提案委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[8549].start |
23628.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8549].end |
23630.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8549].text |
那因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[8550].start |
23630.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8550].end |
23632.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8550].text |
我們早上在爭論不休的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8551].start |
23632.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8551].end |
23634.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8551].text |
因為蘋果從0.5ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8552].start |
23635.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[8552].end |
23637.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[8552].text |
改到3ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8553].start |
23637.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8553].end |
23639.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8553].text |
他們叫毒蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8554].start |
23639.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8554].end |
23641.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8554].text |
好 那我現在講就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8555].start |
23641.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8555].end |
23643.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8555].text |
那如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8556].start |
23643.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8556].end |
23645.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8556].text |
3.0是毒蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8557].start |
23645.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8557].end |
23647.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8557].text |
那我剛剛說的 葡萄 |
| transcript.whisperx[8558].start |
23648.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8558].end |
23650.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8558].text |
我們葡萄是5.0ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8559].start |
23651.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[8559].end |
23653.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[8559].text |
但是這個葡萄也要叫毒葡萄 |
| transcript.whisperx[8560].start |
23653.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[8560].end |
23655.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[8560].text |
那我們再來看一下喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[8561].start |
23655.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[8561].end |
23657.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[8561].text |
那如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8562].start |
23657.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[8562].end |
23659.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[8562].text |
再換一下我們這個櫻桃 |
| transcript.whisperx[8563].start |
23659.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[8563].end |
23661.29 |
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櫻桃是3.0ppm |
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23661.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8564].end |
23663.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8564].text |
一樣的 那是不是這個櫻桃 |
| transcript.whisperx[8565].start |
23663.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8565].end |
23665.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8565].text |
我們應該沒有特別去動 |
| transcript.whisperx[8566].start |
23665.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8566].end |
23667.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8566].text |
剛剛那些葡萄什麼的吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[8567].start |
23667.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8567].end |
23669.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8567].text |
對 櫻桃要往下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8568].start |
23669.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8568].end |
23671.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8568].text |
那所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[8569].start |
23671.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8569].end |
23673.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8569].text |
已經降到3.0ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8570].start |
23673.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8570].end |
23675.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8570].text |
是不是這個櫻桃也叫毒櫻桃呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8571].start |
23676.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8571].end |
23678.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8571].text |
好 那再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8572].start |
23678.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8572].end |
23680.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8572].text |
我們再來看檸檬 |
| transcript.whisperx[8573].start |
23680.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8573].end |
23682.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8573].text |
雖然從5.0ppm降到2.0ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8574].start |
23683.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8574].end |
23685.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8574].text |
但按照他們超過0.5ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8575].start |
23685.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8575].end |
23687.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8575].text |
就叫毒蘋果的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8576].start |
23687.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8576].end |
23689.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8576].text |
那這個也叫毒檸檬囉 |
| transcript.whisperx[8577].start |
23689.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8577].end |
23691.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8577].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8578].start |
23691.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8578].end |
23693.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8578].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[8579].start |
23692.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8579].end |
23694.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8579].text |
除了這個 我們還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8580].start |
23694.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8580].end |
23696.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[8580].text |
2.0的流程 也叫毒流程嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8581].start |
23697.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8581].end |
23699.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8581].text |
然後我們的芒果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8582].start |
23700.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8582].end |
23702.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8582].text |
比0.5多一點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[8583].start |
23702.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8583].end |
23704.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8583].text |
1.0 也是超過0.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8584].start |
23704.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8584].end |
23706.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8584].text |
按照早上那個標準 也叫毒芒果囉 |
| transcript.whisperx[8585].start |
23707.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8585].end |
23709.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8585].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8586].start |
23708.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8586].end |
23710.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8586].text |
所以這樣子的講法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8587].start |
23710.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8587].end |
23712.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8587].text |
用詞 其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[8588].start |
23712.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8588].end |
23714.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8588].text |
完全沒有去考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[8589].start |
23714.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8589].end |
23716.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8589].text |
我們國人每日的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8590].start |
23716.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8590].end |
23718.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8590].text |
使用的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8591].start |
23718.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8591].end |
23720.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8591].text |
容許量嘛 還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8592].start |
23720.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8592].end |
23722.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8592].text |
我們的飲食習慣 清潔方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8593].start |
23722.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8593].end |
23724.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8593].text |
還有這些毒性的這個研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[8594].start |
23724.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8594].end |
23726.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8594].text |
好 等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[8595].start |
23726.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8595].end |
23728.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8595].text |
那還有這個田間殘留試驗的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[8596].start |
23728.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8596].end |
23730.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8596].text |
通通都拋在腦後了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8597].start |
23730.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8597].end |
23732.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8597].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[8598].start |
23732.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8598].end |
23734.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8598].text |
早上我大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[8599].start |
23734.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8599].end |
23736.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8599].text |
點出大家為什麼早上在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8600].start |
23736.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8600].end |
23738.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8600].text |
在爭論那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8601].start |
23738.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8601].end |
23740.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8601].text |
毒蘋果這個用詞 |
| transcript.whisperx[8602].start |
23741.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8602].end |
23743.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8602].text |
你不能說我們把它定標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[8603].start |
23743.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8603].end |
23745.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8603].text |
你都把它套上一個毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[8604].start |
23745.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8604].end |
23747.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8604].text |
那我們還有茶葉 去看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8605].start |
23747.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8605].end |
23749.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8605].text |
在這個表裡面是10耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[8606].start |
23750.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8606].end |
23752.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8606].text |
好 那不就叫毒茶葉嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8607].start |
23753.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8607].end |
23755.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8607].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8608].start |
23754.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8608].end |
23756.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8608].text |
那沒關係 我們等一下再回頭來看這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8609].start |
23756.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8609].end |
23758.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8609].text |
就是說署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8610].start |
23758.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8610].end |
23760.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8610].text |
接下來我請教一下部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8611].start |
23760.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8611].end |
23762.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8611].text |
我的印象 蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8612].start |
23762.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8612].end |
23764.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8612].text |
是溫帶的水果 那美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[8613].start |
23764.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8613].end |
23766.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8613].text |
跟日本種出來的蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8614].start |
23766.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8614].end |
23768.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8614].text |
比較大顆 他們的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8615].start |
23768.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8615].end |
23770.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8615].text |
分普寧殘留的標準分別 |
| transcript.whisperx[8616].start |
23770.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8616].end |
23772.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8616].text |
是美國是5ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8617].start |
23772.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8617].end |
23774.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8617].text |
還有日本的2ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8618].start |
23774.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8618].end |
23776.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8618].text |
而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[8619].start |
23776.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8619].end |
23778.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8619].text |
這種這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8620].start |
23778.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8620].end |
23780.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8620].text |
蟲蟲菊精類的這個農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[8621].start |
23780.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8621].end |
23782.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8621].text |
化學成分比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[8622].start |
23782.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8622].end |
23784.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8622].text |
就是說跟天然的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8623].start |
23784.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8623].end |
23786.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8623].text |
蟲蟲菊花比較類似 |
| transcript.whisperx[8624].start |
23786.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8624].end |
23788.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8624].text |
那我從Google上面 我有查詢到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8625].start |
23788.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8625].end |
23790.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8625].text |
的資料就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8626].start |
23790.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8626].end |
23792.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8626].text |
美國的環保署他們的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[8627].start |
23792.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8627].end |
23794.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8627].text |
也認為分普寧不太可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[8628].start |
23794.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8628].end |
23796.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8628].text |
對人體致癌 當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[8629].start |
23796.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8629].end |
23798.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8629].text |
我現在引用美國的資料 我不是專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[8630].start |
23798.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8630].end |
23800.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8630].text |
但如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8631].start |
23800.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8631].end |
23802.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8631].text |
是我們台灣生產的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8632].start |
23802.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8632].end |
23804.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8632].text |
蘋果比較小顆的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8633].start |
23804.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8633].end |
23806.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8633].text |
那是不是就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8634].start |
23806.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8634].end |
23808.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8634].text |
相較這個我們修訂以前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8635].start |
23808.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8635].end |
23810.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8635].text |
數據是比較不容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[8636].start |
23810.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8636].end |
23812.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8636].text |
超標 這樣比較起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8637].start |
23812.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8637].end |
23814.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8637].text |
其實在販售上反而是有利的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8638].start |
23814.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8638].end |
23816.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8638].text |
我們農業部點頭嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8639].start |
23816.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8639].end |
23818.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8639].text |
對不對 對我們的農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[8640].start |
23818.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8640].end |
23820.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8640].text |
是有利的 那事實上呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8641].start |
23820.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8641].end |
23822.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8641].text |
如果有葡萄的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[8642].start |
23822.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8642].end |
23824.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8642].text |
都可以訂到5ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8643].start |
23824.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8643].end |
23826.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8643].text |
的話 那我想要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[8644].start |
23826.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8644].end |
23828.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8644].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8645].start |
23828.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8645].end |
23830.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8645].text |
葡萄我們通常你看這麼小 |
| transcript.whisperx[8646].start |
23830.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8646].end |
23832.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8646].text |
我大概一次一顆 我不太會吐皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[8647].start |
23832.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8647].end |
23834.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8647].text |
那跟這個整顆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8648].start |
23834.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8648].end |
23836.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8648].text |
蘋果這樣比起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8649].start |
23836.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8649].end |
23838.74 |
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那我們 |
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23838.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8650].end |
23840.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8650].text |
5.0跟3.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[8651].start |
23840.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8651].end |
23842.21 |
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是不是也算是可以接受的範圍 |
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23843.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8652].end |
23845.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8652].text |
其實從剛剛委員的資訊裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8653].start |
23845.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8653].end |
23847.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8653].text |
那麼就可以很清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8654].start |
23847.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8654].end |
23849.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8654].text |
了解 這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8655].start |
23849.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8655].end |
23851.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8655].text |
絕對值是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8656].start |
23851.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8656].end |
23853.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8656].text |
意義的 因為在不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[8657].start |
23853.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8657].end |
23855.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8657].text |
類別之間是沒有辦法相比 |
| transcript.whisperx[8658].start |
23855.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8658].end |
23857.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8658].text |
所以看這個絕對值的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8659].start |
23857.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8659].end |
23859.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8659].text |
高低是沒有意義 因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[8660].start |
23859.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8660].end |
23861.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8660].text |
每一個品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[8661].start |
23861.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8661].end |
23863.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8661].text |
牽涉到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8662].start |
23863.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8662].end |
23865.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8662].text |
攝食習慣 攝食量 |
| transcript.whisperx[8663].start |
23865.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8663].end |
23867.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8663].text |
還有他的這個農藥的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8664].start |
23867.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8664].end |
23869.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8664].text |
本身他的施灑的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8665].start |
23869.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8665].end |
23871.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8665].text |
這個在做的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[8666].start |
23871.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8666].end |
23873.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8666].text |
所以他都是需要經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[8667].start |
23873.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8667].end |
23875.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8667].text |
一個嚴謹的評估之後去定出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8668].start |
23875.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8668].end |
23877.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8668].text |
所以我想這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8669].start |
23877.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8669].end |
23879.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8669].text |
謝謝委員 這個很清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8670].start |
23879.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8670].end |
23881.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8670].text |
讓大家可以理解這個絕對值 |
| transcript.whisperx[8671].start |
23881.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8671].end |
23883.55 |
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這個多少ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8672].start |
23883.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8672].end |
23885.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8672].text |
這個絕對值 先不要講這個ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8673].start |
23885.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8673].end |
23887.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8673].text |
就10的六四方分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[8674].start |
23887.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8674].end |
23889.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8674].text |
先不要講這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8675].start |
23889.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8675].end |
23891.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8675].text |
那麼但是這個絕對值相較之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[8676].start |
23891.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8676].end |
23893.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8676].text |
是沒有意義的 還是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[8677].start |
23893.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8677].end |
23895.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8677].text |
回到每一個類別之間去看 |
| transcript.whisperx[8678].start |
23895.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8678].end |
23897.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8678].text |
但我覺得把這個葡萄 |
| transcript.whisperx[8679].start |
23897.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8679].end |
23899.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8679].text |
櫻桃跟蘋果比較起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8680].start |
23899.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8680].end |
23901.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8680].text |
這個數字攤開來 民眾很容易理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[8681].start |
23901.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8681].end |
23903.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8681].text |
但你們有沒有想過 |
| transcript.whisperx[8682].start |
23903.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8682].end |
23905.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8682].text |
用這樣的方式去理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[8683].start |
23905.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8683].end |
23907.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8683].text |
所以這次才會把他從 |
| transcript.whisperx[8684].start |
23907.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8684].end |
23909.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8684].text |
那個梨果類把他拉出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8685].start |
23909.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8685].end |
23911.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8685].text |
各自去那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8686].start |
23911.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8686].end |
23913.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8686].text |
桃子 梨子 |
| transcript.whisperx[8687].start |
23913.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8687].end |
23915.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8687].text |
然後葡萄 |
| transcript.whisperx[8688].start |
23915.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8688].end |
23917.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8688].text |
葡萄柚各自去 |
| transcript.whisperx[8689].start |
23917.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8689].end |
23919.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8689].text |
去列相 |
| transcript.whisperx[8690].start |
23919.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8690].end |
23921.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8690].text |
本期是有查到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8691].start |
23923.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8691].end |
23925.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8691].text |
農業部的這個動植物 |
| transcript.whisperx[8692].start |
23925.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8692].end |
23927.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8692].text |
你們防疫檢疫局的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[8693].start |
23927.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8693].end |
23929.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8693].text |
因為葡萄有一種針聚引起的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8694].start |
23929.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8694].end |
23931.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8694].text |
嗅病 深嗅的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8695].start |
23931.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8695].end |
23933.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8695].text |
嗅病 那芬普寧是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8696].start |
23933.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8696].end |
23935.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8696].text |
可以發揮很好的儲菌效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8697].start |
23935.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8697].end |
23937.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8697].text |
因為葡萄他的體積很小 |
| transcript.whisperx[8698].start |
23937.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8698].end |
23939.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8698].text |
在考慮他危害性 |
| transcript.whisperx[8699].start |
23939.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8699].end |
23941.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8699].text |
不高 所以因此可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[8700].start |
23941.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8700].end |
23943.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8700].text |
容許這個殘留值為5ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[8701].start |
23943.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8701].end |
23945.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8701].text |
應該是這樣吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[8702].start |
23945.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8702].end |
23947.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8702].text |
好 那 |
| transcript.whisperx[8703].start |
23947.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8703].end |
23949.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8703].text |
報委原理 |
| transcript.whisperx[8704].start |
23949.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8704].end |
23951.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8704].text |
我如果講錯你就糾正我 |
| transcript.whisperx[8705].start |
23951.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8705].end |
23953.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8705].text |
沒有錯 我們就繼續講下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[8706].start |
23953.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8706].end |
23955.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8706].text |
農藥使用是針對他的病蟲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[8707].start |
23955.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8707].end |
23957.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8707].text |
對象是病蟲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[8708].start |
23957.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8708].end |
23959.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8708].text |
每種原意 每樣作物的原意性狀不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8709].start |
23959.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8709].end |
23961.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8709].text |
所以今天農藥殘留標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[8710].start |
23961.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8710].end |
23963.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8710].text |
是可以根據 |
| transcript.whisperx[8711].start |
23963.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8711].end |
23965.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8711].text |
有沒有病蟲害流行 |
| transcript.whisperx[8712].start |
23965.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8712].end |
23967.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8712].text |
還有水果的使用特性 |
| transcript.whisperx[8713].start |
23967.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8713].end |
23969.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8713].text |
跟學術界的這個毒性研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[8714].start |
23969.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8714].end |
23971.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8714].text |
來家裡評估之後調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[8715].start |
23971.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8715].end |
23973.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8715].text |
大家是不是認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[8716].start |
23973.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8716].end |
23975.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8716].text |
好 那我們再繼續看下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[8717].start |
23975.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8717].end |
23977.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8717].text |
我又點到一個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[8718].start |
23977.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8718].end |
23979.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8718].text |
為什麼那個田間施作很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[8719].start |
23979.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8719].end |
23981.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8719].text |
因為每一個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[8720].start |
23981.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8720].end |
23983.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8720].text |
他有不同的病蟲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[8721].start |
23983.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8721].end |
23985.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8721].text |
所以他的農藥的施作情形是不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8722].start |
23985.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8722].end |
23987.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8722].text |
量是不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8723].start |
23987.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8723].end |
23989.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8723].text |
所以會根據我們的安全容許量 |
| transcript.whisperx[8724].start |
23989.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8724].end |
23991.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8724].text |
去訂出一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[8725].start |
23991.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8725].end |
23993.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8725].text |
各國之間也有落差就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8726].start |
23993.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8726].end |
23995.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8726].text |
是 那所以我們從這一次爭議來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[8727].start |
23995.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8727].end |
23997.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8727].text |
當我們外界質疑一項標準的改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[8728].start |
23997.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8728].end |
23999.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8728].text |
是不是有事實的考量的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8729].start |
23999.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8729].end |
24001.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8729].text |
最好的解方 |
| transcript.whisperx[8730].start |
24001.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8730].end |
24003.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8730].text |
就是我們用數據來說話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8731].start |
24003.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8731].end |
24005.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8731].text |
食藥署掌握了許多行政的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[8732].start |
24005.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8732].end |
24007.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8732].text |
本席建議你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[8733].start |
24007.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8733].end |
24009.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8733].text |
拜託啦 要好好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8734].start |
24009.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8734].end |
24011.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8734].text |
善加利用啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8735].start |
24011.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8735].end |
24013.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8735].text |
那如果第一時間可以讓民眾知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8736].start |
24013.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8736].end |
24015.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8736].text |
分譜您在不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8737].start |
24015.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8737].end |
24017.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8737].text |
水果殘留的數值 |
| transcript.whisperx[8738].start |
24017.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8738].end |
24019.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8738].text |
食藥署你們都有掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[8739].start |
24019.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8739].end |
24021.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8739].text |
而且這個放寬標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[8740].start |
24021.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8740].end |
24023.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8740].text |
不見得是因為他的殘留值變高 |
| transcript.whisperx[8741].start |
24023.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8741].end |
24025.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8741].text |
好 那你們好好去 |
| transcript.whisperx[8742].start |
24025.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8742].end |
24027.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8742].text |
提早好好去檢視 相信就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8743].start |
24027.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8743].end |
24029.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8743].text |
可以更讓這個民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[8744].start |
24029.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8744].end |
24031.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8744].text |
可以安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[8745].start |
24031.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8745].end |
24033.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8745].text |
我也藉這個機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8746].start |
24033.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8746].end |
24035.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8746].text |
也是一個自我的反省跟觀察啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8747].start |
24035.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8747].end |
24037.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8747].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8748].start |
24037.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8748].end |
24039.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8748].text |
每一個政黨都有執政的機會啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8749].start |
24039.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8749].end |
24041.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8749].text |
那通常在立法院的生態 |
| transcript.whisperx[8750].start |
24043.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8750].end |
24045.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8750].text |
喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[8751].start |
24044.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8751].end |
24046.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8751].text |
通常執政黨都想盡辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8752].start |
24046.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8752].end |
24048.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[8752].text |
要穩定民心嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8753].start |
24048.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8753].end |
24050.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8753].text |
在野黨就是我們抓到一個議題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8754].start |
24050.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8754].end |
24052.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8754].text |
就想盡辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8755].start |
24052.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8755].end |
24054.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8755].text |
把它放大 |
| transcript.whisperx[8756].start |
24054.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8756].end |
24056.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8756].text |
把它窮追猛打 |
| transcript.whisperx[8757].start |
24056.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8757].end |
24058.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8757].text |
唯恐天下不亂 |
| transcript.whisperx[8758].start |
24058.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8758].end |
24060.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8758].text |
最好所有的事情 所有的那個都零減出 |
| transcript.whisperx[8759].start |
24061.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8759].end |
24063.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8759].text |
一般 我在講立法院的生態啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8760].start |
24063.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8760].end |
24065.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8760].text |
那我不能一直講別人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8761].start |
24065.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8761].end |
24067.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8761].text |
這種事其實我們以前在野的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8762].start |
24067.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8762].end |
24069.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8762].text |
我們都幹過啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8763].start |
24069.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8763].end |
24071.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8763].text |
那所以我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[8764].start |
24071.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8764].end |
24073.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8764].text |
我自己本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[8765].start |
24073.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8765].end |
24075.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8765].text |
我要講別人之前 我先講我自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[8766].start |
24075.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8766].end |
24077.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8766].text |
那我們都 我們其實也 |
| transcript.whisperx[8767].start |
24077.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8767].end |
24079.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8767].text |
在座有很多人也做很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[8768].start |
24079.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8768].end |
24081.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8768].text |
解了 我們都會成長 我們都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8769].start |
24081.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8769].end |
24083.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8769].text |
反省嘛 所以實在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8770].start |
24083.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8770].end |
24085.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8770].text |
這些問題 拜託大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[8771].start |
24085.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8771].end |
24087.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8771].text |
最後還是回歸專業啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8772].start |
24087.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8772].end |
24089.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8772].text |
來解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[8773].start |
24089.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8773].end |
24091.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8773].text |
那再來就是說要跟衛福部分享 |
| transcript.whisperx[8774].start |
24091.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8774].end |
24093.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8774].text |
就是說不管食藥署還是國健署 |
| transcript.whisperx[8775].start |
24093.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8775].end |
24095.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8775].text |
其他單位喔 那衛福部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8776].start |
24095.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8776].end |
24097.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8776].text |
業務都非常專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[8777].start |
24097.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8777].end |
24099.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8777].text |
像剛剛食藥署署長講了一堆 |
| transcript.whisperx[8778].start |
24099.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8778].end |
24101.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8778].text |
還有最早你剛來立法院我們也交手過 |
| transcript.whisperx[8779].start |
24101.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8779].end |
24103.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8779].text |
你也是講了一堆 |
| transcript.whisperx[8780].start |
24103.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8780].end |
24105.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[8780].text |
那 但是問題是就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8781].start |
24106.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8781].end |
24108.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8781].text |
聽起來很專業 但是民眾都聽不懂啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8782].start |
24108.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8782].end |
24110.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8782].text |
所以你們的課題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8783].start |
24110.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8783].end |
24112.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8783].text |
很重要就是說 到底要用什麼樣的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[8784].start |
24112.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8784].end |
24114.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8784].text |
第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[8785].start |
24114.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8785].end |
24116.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8785].text |
才能夠讓民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[8786].start |
24116.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8786].end |
24118.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8786].text |
能夠就是說接受你們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8787].start |
24118.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8787].end |
24120.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8787].text |
講法 然後能夠了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[8788].start |
24120.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8788].end |
24122.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8788].text |
所以因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[8789].start |
24122.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8789].end |
24124.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8789].text |
因為專業才更需要溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[8790].start |
24124.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8790].end |
24126.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8790].text |
你們不能說動不動 |
| transcript.whisperx[8791].start |
24126.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8791].end |
24128.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8791].text |
就用自己的想法去 |
| transcript.whisperx[8792].start |
24128.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8792].end |
24130.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8792].text |
否定民眾 或者說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8793].start |
24130.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8793].end |
24132.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8793].text |
舉例啊 譬如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8794].start |
24132.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8794].end |
24134.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8794].text |
加熱菸的開放啦 精人性食品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8795].start |
24134.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8795].end |
24136.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8795].text |
健康效應啦 中藥材 |
| transcript.whisperx[8796].start |
24136.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8796].end |
24138.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8796].text |
食材的管理啦 很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[8797].start |
24138.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8797].end |
24140.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8797].text |
都是我們民眾的需求啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8798].start |
24140.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8798].end |
24142.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8798].text |
那但是衛福部 部份的官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[8799].start |
24142.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8799].end |
24144.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8799].text |
常常會以自己的專業啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8800].start |
24144.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8800].end |
24146.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8800].text |
去否定民眾的需求嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8801].start |
24146.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8801].end |
24148.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8801].text |
你們想要透過這個權利跟一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[8802].start |
24148.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8802].end |
24150.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8802].text |
管制措施啊 去替民眾做 |
| transcript.whisperx[8803].start |
24150.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8803].end |
24152.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8803].text |
健康的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[8804].start |
24151.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8804].end |
24153.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8804].text |
好 所以不要忘了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8805].start |
24153.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8805].end |
24155.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8805].text |
就是說 去要尊重每個人的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8806].start |
24155.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8806].end |
24157.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8806].text |
大家每個人的需求是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8807].start |
24157.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8807].end |
24159.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8807].text |
那健康也是如此嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8808].start |
24159.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8808].end |
24161.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8808].text |
所以同樣一個這個農業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8809].start |
24161.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8809].end |
24163.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8809].text |
殘留標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[8810].start |
24163.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8810].end |
24165.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8810].text |
櫻桃跟蘋果可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[8811].start |
24165.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8811].end |
24167.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8811].text |
就是說 它可以一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8812].start |
24167.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8812].end |
24169.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8812].text |
啊葡萄可以更高 |
| transcript.whisperx[8813].start |
24169.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8813].end |
24171.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8813].text |
其實不管這邊我現在擺在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8814].start |
24171.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8814].end |
24173.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8814].text |
桌上所有的水果 不管它的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8815].start |
24173.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8815].end |
24175.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8815].text |
標準是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8816].start |
24174.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8816].end |
24176.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8816].text |
它都是安全的 包括茶葉 |
| transcript.whisperx[8817].start |
24176.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8817].end |
24178.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8817].text |
那所以希望未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8818].start |
24178.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8818].end |
24180.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8818].text |
衛福部的每一位官員喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[8819].start |
24180.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8819].end |
24182.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8819].text |
的思維 就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8820].start |
24182.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8820].end |
24184.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8820].text |
你們有你們的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[8821].start |
24184.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8821].end |
24186.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8821].text |
但是你們講出來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8822].start |
24186.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8822].end |
24188.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8822].text |
可不可以更接地氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8823].start |
24188.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8823].end |
24190.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8823].text |
更有人情味 |
| transcript.whisperx[8824].start |
24190.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8824].end |
24192.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8824].text |
那不然就是說 我們也都希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[8825].start |
24192.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8825].end |
24194.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8825].text |
每一次的質詢都可以看到你們在做每一位啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8826].start |
24194.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8826].end |
24196.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8826].text |
不要因為你們的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[8827].start |
24196.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8827].end |
24198.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8827].text |
而失去未來再站在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[8828].start |
24198.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8828].end |
24200.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8828].text |
備詢的機會啦 我是做這樣的提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[8829].start |
24202.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8829].end |
24204.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8829].text |
謝謝委員 我們這個溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[8830].start |
24204.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8830].end |
24206.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8830].text |
還有很多要學習的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[8831].start |
24206.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8831].end |
24208.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8831].text |
多向您學習 |
| transcript.whisperx[8832].start |
24208.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8832].end |
24210.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8832].text |
還可以討論討論 好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[8833].start |
24210.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8833].end |
24212.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8833].text |
好謝謝陳應務委員的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8834].start |
24212.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8834].end |
24214.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8834].text |
接下來請楊耀委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8835].start |
24224.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8835].end |
24226.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8835].text |
你是說要收還是收 |
| transcript.whisperx[8836].start |
24226.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8836].end |
24228.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8836].text |
你說啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8837].start |
24247.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8837].end |
24249.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8837].text |
謝謝主席 主席請一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8838].start |
24250.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8838].end |
24252.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8838].text |
一策會執行長是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8839].start |
24252.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8839].end |
24254.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8839].text |
董事長下午沒來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8840].start |
24254.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8840].end |
24256.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8840].text |
執行長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8841].start |
24260.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8841].end |
24262.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8841].text |
委員好 執行長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8842].start |
24262.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8842].end |
24264.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8842].text |
因為今天我們也審查你們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8843].start |
24264.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8843].end |
24268.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8843].text |
做預算審查的大體詢答啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8844].start |
24268.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8844].end |
24270.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[8844].text |
所以 簡單問你幾個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8845].start |
24274.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[8845].end |
24276.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[8845].text |
我立委才幹世界而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[8846].start |
24276.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[8846].end |
24278.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[8846].text |
所以還沒有學會政治語言 |
| transcript.whisperx[8847].start |
24278.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[8847].end |
24280.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[8847].text |
我問的大概都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8848].start |
24280.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[8848].end |
24282.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[8848].text |
都是真正的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8849].start |
24282.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[8849].end |
24284.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[8849].text |
第二個問題就是一策會因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[8850].start |
24284.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[8850].end |
24286.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[8850].text |
最主要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8851].start |
24286.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8851].end |
24288.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8851].text |
有一項最主要的工作是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8852].start |
24288.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8852].end |
24290.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8852].text |
意見醫院評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[8853].start |
24290.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8853].end |
24292.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8853].text |
我請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8854].start |
24292.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8854].end |
24294.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8854].text |
先請問一個問題就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8855].start |
24294.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8855].end |
24296.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8855].text |
你們在醫院評鑑上 |
| transcript.whisperx[8856].start |
24296.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8856].end |
24298.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8856].text |
能不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[8857].start |
24299.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8857].end |
24301.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8857].text |
做更 |
| transcript.whisperx[8858].start |
24301.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[8858].end |
24303.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[8858].text |
簡化 |
| transcript.whisperx[8859].start |
24302.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8859].end |
24304.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8859].text |
的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8860].start |
24304.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8860].end |
24306.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8860].text |
就是最少文書處理的方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8861].start |
24306.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8861].end |
24308.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8861].text |
因為這個對於很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[8862].start |
24308.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8862].end |
24310.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8862].text |
很多小型醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[8863].start |
24310.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8863].end |
24312.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8863].text |
其實是一件 |
| transcript.whisperx[8864].start |
24312.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8864].end |
24314.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8864].text |
很大的負擔 有沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8865].start |
24314.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8865].end |
24316.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8865].text |
就是怎麼精進 |
| transcript.whisperx[8866].start |
24316.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8866].end |
24318.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8866].text |
平靜作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[8867].start |
24319.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8867].end |
24321.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8867].text |
你有沒有什麼想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8868].start |
24321.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8868].end |
24323.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8868].text |
跟委員報告 |
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24323.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8869].end |
24325.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8869].text |
部長上次說了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8870].start |
24325.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8870].end |
24327.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8870].text |
我們要變成六年評鑑一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[8871].start |
24327.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8871].end |
24329.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8871].text |
不是 我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[8872].start |
24329.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8872].end |
24331.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8872].text |
延長連線 |
| transcript.whisperx[8873].start |
24331.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8873].end |
24333.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8873].text |
跟我現在問的問題 |
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24333.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8874].end |
24335.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8874].text |
是兩件事 |
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24335.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8875].end |
24337.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8875].text |
我還沒講完 |
| transcript.whisperx[8876].start |
24337.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8876].end |
24339.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8876].text |
部長也交代我們要減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[8877].start |
24339.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8877].end |
24341.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8877].text |
不必要的這些文書作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[8878].start |
24341.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8878].end |
24343.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8878].text |
減少大家的作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[8879].start |
24343.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8879].end |
24345.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8879].text |
其實我也是醫師出身 |
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24345.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8880].end |
24347.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8880].text |
所以我也知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[8881].start |
24347.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8881].end |
24349.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8881].text |
我們醫院也被評鑑過 |
| transcript.whisperx[8882].start |
24349.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8882].end |
24351.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8882].text |
所以我們都了解評鑑有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[8883].start |
24351.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8883].end |
24353.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8883].text |
大家有一些覺得太多 |
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24353.1 |
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24355.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8884].text |
的一些不必要的流程 |
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24355.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8885].end |
24357.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8885].text |
我們現在在未來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8886].start |
24357.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8886].end |
24359.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8886].text |
新的一輪評鑑中 |
| transcript.whisperx[8887].start |
24359.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8887].end |
24361.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8887].text |
我們有新的評鑑制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[8888].start |
24361.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8888].end |
24363.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8888].text |
還有新的評鑑的條文 |
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24363.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8889].end |
24365.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8889].text |
通通都會朝這些方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[8890].start |
24365.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8890].end |
24367.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8890].text |
目前有沒有進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[8891].start |
24367.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8891].end |
24369.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8891].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8892].start |
24369.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8892].end |
24371.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8892].text |
因為你也 |
| transcript.whisperx[8893].start |
24371.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8893].end |
24373.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8893].text |
也是醫生 |
| transcript.whisperx[8894].start |
24373.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8894].end |
24375.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8894].text |
也接受過評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[8895].start |
24375.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8895].end |
24377.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8895].text |
這個對於很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[8896].start |
24377.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8896].end |
24379.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8896].text |
特別是中小型的醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[8897].start |
24379.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8897].end |
24381.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8897].text |
人力上本來就不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[8898].start |
24381.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8898].end |
24383.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8898].text |
好 這個你們要持續 |
| transcript.whisperx[8899].start |
24383.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8899].end |
24385.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8899].text |
我還是就 |
| transcript.whisperx[8900].start |
24385.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8900].end |
24387.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8900].text |
醫學中心的評鑑 |
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24387.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8901].end |
24389.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8901].text |
這個我剛才為什麼說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8902].start |
24389.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8902].end |
24391.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8902].text |
我說真話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8903].start |
24391.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8903].end |
24393.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8903].text |
這個問題我問過好幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[8904].start |
24393.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8904].end |
24395.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8904].text |
只是沒有直接問過醫策會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8905].start |
24395.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8905].end |
24397.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8905].text |
醫策會負責 |
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24397.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8906].end |
24399.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8906].text |
醫院評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[8907].start |
24399.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8907].end |
24401.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8907].text |
所以醫學中心也是由你們評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[8908].start |
24401.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8908].end |
24403.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8908].text |
好 那評鑑 |
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24403.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8909].end |
24405.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8909].text |
是這樣子 |
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24405.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8910].end |
24407.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8910].text |
有兩種方式 |
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24407.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8911].end |
24409.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8911].text |
一般的考試也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8912].start |
24408.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8912].end |
24410.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8912].text |
一個就是及格分數 |
| transcript.whisperx[8913].start |
24410.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8913].end |
24412.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8913].text |
只要通過了就全部都過 |
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24412.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8914].end |
24414.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8914].text |
一個是入取分數 |
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24414.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8915].end |
24416.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8915].text |
就有限額的 |
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24416.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8916].end |
24418.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8916].text |
譬如說一般的公務人員就 |
| transcript.whisperx[8917].start |
24418.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8917].end |
24420.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8917].text |
缺幾個入取幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8918].start |
24421.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[8918].end |
24423.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[8918].text |
那我們的醫學中心呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8919].start |
24424.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[8919].end |
24426.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[8919].text |
A |
| transcript.whisperx[8920].start |
24425.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8920].end |
24427.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8920].text |
這兩者 |
| transcript.whisperx[8921].start |
24427.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8921].end |
24429.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8921].text |
執行長覺得是哪一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[8922].start |
24429.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8922].end |
24431.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8922].text |
是通過分數就可以 |
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24431.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8923].end |
24433.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8923].text |
還是按照入取 |
| transcript.whisperx[8924].start |
24433.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8924].end |
24435.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8924].text |
我們醫學中心的評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[8925].start |
24435.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8925].end |
24437.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8925].text |
有兩個流程 |
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24437.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8926].end |
24439.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8926].text |
第一個流程 |
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24439.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8927].end |
24441.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8927].text |
他必須在我們的醫學中心評鑑的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8928].start |
24441.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8928].end |
24443.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8928].text |
醫學中心評鑑的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8929].start |
24443.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8929].end |
24445.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8929].text |
我們其實現在是實施第二期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8930].start |
24445.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8930].end |
24447.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8930].text |
我們其實現在是實施第二期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8931].start |
24447.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8931].end |
24449.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8931].text |
我們其實實施第二期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8932].start |
24449.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8932].end |
24451.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8932].text |
我們其實實施第二期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8933].start |
24451.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8933].end |
24453.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8933].text |
我們其實實施第二期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8934].start |
24453.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8934].end |
24455.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8934].text |
我們其實實施第二期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8935].start |
24455.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8935].end |
24457.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8935].text |
我們其實實施第二期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8936].start |
24457.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8936].end |
24459.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8936].text |
我們其實實施第二期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8937].start |
24459.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8937].end |
24461.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8937].text |
我們其實實施第二期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8938].start |
24461.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8938].end |
24463.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8938].text |
我們其實實施第二期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8939].start |
24463.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8939].end |
24465.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8939].text |
我們其實實施第二期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8940].start |
24465.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8940].end |
24467.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8940].text |
我們其實實施第二期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8941].start |
24467.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8941].end |
24469.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8941].text |
我們其實實施第二期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8942].start |
24469.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8942].end |
24471.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8942].text |
我們其實實施第二期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8943].start |
24468.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8943].end |
24470.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8943].text |
醫療網計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[8944].start |
24470.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8944].end |
24472.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8944].text |
那裡面規定是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8945].start |
24472.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8945].end |
24474.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8945].text |
每200萬人口配置一家醫學中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[8946].start |
24475.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[8946].end |
24477.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[8946].text |
台灣現在2300萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[8947].start |
24478.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[8947].end |
24480.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[8947].text |
現在台灣有幾家醫學中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[8948].start |
24481.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8948].end |
24483.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8948].text |
現在23家 |
| transcript.whisperx[8949].start |
24484.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8949].end |
24486.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8949].text |
那就是已經超額入取 |
| transcript.whisperx[8950].start |
24488.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8950].end |
24488.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8950].text |
一併 |
| transcript.whisperx[8951].start |
24490.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[8951].end |
24492.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[8951].text |
這個都是你們評鑑的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8952].start |
24491.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[8952].end |
24493.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[8952].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[8953].start |
24493.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8953].end |
24495.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8953].text |
提供分數 |
| transcript.whisperx[8954].start |
24495.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8954].end |
24497.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8954].text |
由衛福部決定醫學中心的入取 |
| transcript.whisperx[8955].start |
24498.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[8955].end |
24500.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[8955].text |
你們提供分數 |
| transcript.whisperx[8956].start |
24500.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8956].end |
24504.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8956].text |
因為醫學中心最後的評鑑的分數 |
| transcript.whisperx[8957].start |
24504.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8957].end |
24506.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8957].text |
我剛才講的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8958].start |
24506.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8958].end |
24508.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8958].text |
他必須達到一定的分數以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[8959].start |
24508.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8959].end |
24510.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8959].text |
才可以這就是您剛才說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8960].start |
24510.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8960].end |
24512.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8960].text |
有一個及格標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[8961].start |
24512.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8961].end |
24514.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8961].text |
到及格標準以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[8962].start |
24514.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8962].end |
24516.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8962].text |
我們會把這些分數提報給衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[8963].start |
24516.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8963].end |
24518.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8963].text |
由衛福部來決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[8964].start |
24518.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8964].end |
24520.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8964].text |
醫學中心是哪幾家 |
| transcript.whisperx[8965].start |
24520.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8965].end |
24522.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8965].text |
那在以往的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8966].start |
24522.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8966].end |
24524.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8966].text |
就是有所謂的醫學中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[8967].start |
24524.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8967].end |
24526.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8967].text |
和準醫學中心 |
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24526.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8968].end |
24528.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8968].text |
所以超過的部分就是歷任部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8969].start |
24528.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8969].end |
24530.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8969].text |
部長沒有按照 |
| transcript.whisperx[8970].start |
24530.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8970].end |
24532.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8970].text |
我們的指標來走 |
| transcript.whisperx[8971].start |
24533.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8971].end |
24535.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8971].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[8972].start |
24535.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8972].end |
24537.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8972].text |
石部長比較沒有責任來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8973].start |
24537.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8973].end |
24539.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8973].text |
因為石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8974].start |
24539.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8974].end |
24541.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8974].text |
的任內還沒有遇到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8975].start |
24541.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8975].end |
24543.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8975].text |
一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[8976].start |
24543.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8976].end |
24545.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8976].text |
我再問一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8977].start |
24546.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8977].end |
24548.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8977].text |
你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[8978].start |
24547.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8978].end |
24549.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8978].text |
醫生會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8979].start |
24549.53 |
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24551.53 |
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能不能 |
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24551.5 |
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24553.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8980].text |
你 |
| transcript.whisperx[8981].start |
24552.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8981].end |
24554.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8981].text |
醫學中心退場機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[8982].start |
24555.11 |
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24557.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8982].text |
就讓他更符合我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8983].start |
24557.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8983].end |
24559.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8983].text |
的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8984].start |
24559.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8984].end |
24561.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8984].text |
醫療計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[8985].start |
24560.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[8985].end |
24562.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[8985].text |
因為我們一個大的概念在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8986].start |
24562.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[8986].end |
24564.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[8986].text |
就兩百萬人口 |
| transcript.whisperx[8987].start |
24564.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[8987].end |
24566.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[8987].text |
一家嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8988].start |
24566.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8988].end |
24568.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8988].text |
那現在因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[8989].start |
24568.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8989].end |
24570.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8989].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[8990].start |
24570.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8990].end |
24572.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8990].text |
很多考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[8991].start |
24572.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8991].end |
24574.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8991].text |
很多考量所以就變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[8992].start |
24574.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8992].end |
24576.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8992].text |
已經一倍了嘛你們能不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[8993].start |
24576.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8993].end |
24578.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8993].text |
你訂退場機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[8994].start |
24578.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8994].end |
24580.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8994].text |
其實我是一直覺得評鑑本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[8995].start |
24581.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8995].end |
24583.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8995].text |
本來就是應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[8996].start |
24583.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8996].end |
24585.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8996].text |
由上由下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8997].start |
24585.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8997].end |
24587.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8997].text |
要不然 |
| transcript.whisperx[8998].start |
24587.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8998].end |
24589.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8998].text |
我不知道醫學中心評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[8999].start |
24589.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8999].end |
24591.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8999].text |
的用意到底在哪裡 |
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24592.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[9000].end |
24594.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[9000].text |
是 |
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24594.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[9001].end |
24596.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[9001].text |
我們醫策會可以提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[9002].start |
24596.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[9002].end |
24598.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[9002].text |
這個評鑑的分數 |
| transcript.whisperx[9003].start |
24598.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9003].end |
24600.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9003].text |
那至於說這個分數的話 |
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24600.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9004].end |
24602.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9004].text |
就是表示他 |
| transcript.whisperx[9005].start |
24602.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9005].end |
24604.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9005].text |
符合這個醫學中心的資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[9006].start |
24604.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9006].end |
24606.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9006].text |
所以現在已經有這個所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[9007].start |
24606.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9007].end |
24608.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9007].text |
準醫學中心準醫學中心是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9008].start |
24608.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9008].end |
24610.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9008].text |
這個限制嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9009].start |
24611.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9009].end |
24613.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9009].text |
基本上他的最大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9010].start |
24613.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9010].end |
24615.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9010].text |
還是在於健保給付的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9011].start |
24615.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9011].end |
24617.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9011].text |
我知道啦準醫學中心就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9012].start |
24617.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9012].end |
24619.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9012].text |
安慰獎啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9013].start |
24619.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9013].end |
24621.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9013].text |
我大概知道啦就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9014].start |
24621.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9014].end |
24623.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9014].text |
給你一個虛的名字啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9015].start |
24623.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9015].end |
24625.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9015].text |
然後健保給付上 |
| transcript.whisperx[9016].start |
24625.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9016].end |
24627.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9016].text |
跟區域醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[9017].start |
24627.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9017].end |
24629.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9017].text |
大概是一樣的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9018].start |
24629.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9018].end |
24631.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9018].text |
這個我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[9019].start |
24631.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9019].end |
24633.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9019].text |
我的意思就是說他都是有分數的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9020].start |
24633.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9020].end |
24635.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9020].text |
我的意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9021].start |
24635.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9021].end |
24637.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9021].text |
我們假如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9022].start |
24637.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9022].end |
24639.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9022].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[9023].start |
24640.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9023].end |
24642.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9023].text |
監守住 |
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24642.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9024].end |
24644.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9024].text |
因為接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9025].start |
24644.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9025].end |
24646.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9025].text |
少子化會 |
| transcript.whisperx[9026].start |
24646.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9026].end |
24648.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9026].text |
也會很嚴重嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9027].start |
24648.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9027].end |
24650.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9027].text |
就是說我們假如監守住 |
| transcript.whisperx[9028].start |
24650.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9028].end |
24652.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9028].text |
兩百萬人口一家醫學中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[9029].start |
24652.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9029].end |
24654.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9029].text |
啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9030].start |
24654.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[9030].end |
24656.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[9030].text |
你們能不能去 |
| transcript.whisperx[9031].start |
24656.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[9031].end |
24658.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[9031].text |
去 |
| transcript.whisperx[9032].start |
24658.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[9032].end |
24660.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[9032].text |
研究出一套 |
| transcript.whisperx[9033].start |
24660.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[9033].end |
24662.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[9033].text |
退場機制 |
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24662.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[9034].end |
24664.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[9034].text |
部長請 |
| transcript.whisperx[9035].start |
24662.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9035].end |
24664.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9035].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9036].start |
24692.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9036].end |
24694.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9036].text |
地域的分佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[9037].start |
24694.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9037].end |
24696.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9037].text |
均衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[9038].start |
24696.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9038].end |
24698.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9038].text |
在一定的範圍裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[9039].start |
24698.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9039].end |
24700.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9039].text |
都能夠得到這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[9040].start |
24700.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9040].end |
24702.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9040].text |
三級醫院的服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[9041].start |
24702.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9041].end |
24704.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9041].text |
多少的範圍有地區醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[9042].start |
24704.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9042].end |
24706.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9042].text |
多大的範圍要有醫學中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[9043].start |
24706.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9043].end |
24708.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9043].text |
所以這個是需要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9044].start |
24708.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9044].end |
24710.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9044].text |
整個這個分佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[9045].start |
24710.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9045].end |
24712.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9045].text |
的概念再加上說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9046].start |
24712.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9046].end |
24714.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9046].text |
未來當然我們以目前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9047].start |
24714.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9047].end |
24716.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9047].text |
少子化的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[9048].start |
24716.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9048].end |
24718.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9048].text |
我們人口數會下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[9049].start |
24718.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9049].end |
24720.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9049].text |
所以這個兩百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[9050].start |
24720.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9050].end |
24722.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9050].text |
或者是他的這個分佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[9051].start |
24722.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9051].end |
24724.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9051].text |
的配置各區域的如何配置 |
| transcript.whisperx[9052].start |
24724.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9052].end |
24726.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9052].text |
確實是可以有檢討的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9053].start |
24726.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9053].end |
24728.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9053].text |
空間了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9054].start |
24728.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9054].end |
24730.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9054].text |
就是說區域的均衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[9055].start |
24730.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9055].end |
24732.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9055].text |
有的時候會 |
| transcript.whisperx[9056].start |
24732.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9056].end |
24734.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9056].text |
會進入一個盲區 |
| transcript.whisperx[9057].start |
24734.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9057].end |
24736.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9057].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9058].start |
24736.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9058].end |
24738.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9058].text |
以北中南來看好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9059].start |
24738.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9059].end |
24740.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9059].text |
就北部在 |
| transcript.whisperx[9060].start |
24740.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9060].end |
24742.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9060].text |
上一次評鑑多了兩家 |
| transcript.whisperx[9061].start |
24742.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9061].end |
24744.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9061].text |
隨便南部 |
| transcript.whisperx[9062].start |
24744.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9062].end |
24746.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9062].text |
也必須要多一家 |
| transcript.whisperx[9063].start |
24746.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9063].end |
24748.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9063].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9064].start |
24748.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9064].end |
24750.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9064].text |
這個就是我們假如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9065].start |
24750.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9065].end |
24752.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9065].text |
用區域的分佈來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[9066].start |
24752.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9066].end |
24754.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9066].text |
會變成這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[9067].start |
24754.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9067].end |
24756.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9067].text |
當然區域均衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[9068].start |
24756.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9068].end |
24758.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9068].text |
還是很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[9069].start |
24758.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[9069].end |
24760.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[9069].text |
那怎麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[9070].start |
24760.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[9070].end |
24762.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[9070].text |
退場也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9071].start |
24762.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[9071].end |
24764.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[9071].text |
或者是降等也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9072].start |
24765.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9072].end |
24767.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9072].text |
或者是減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[9073].start |
24767.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9073].end |
24769.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9073].text |
醫學中心的健保給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[9074].start |
24769.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9074].end |
24771.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9074].text |
因為我今天時間的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[9075].start |
24771.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9075].end |
24773.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9075].text |
要不然因為接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9076].start |
24773.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9076].end |
24775.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9076].text |
點子保障0.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[9077].start |
24775.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9077].end |
24777.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9077].text |
那醫學中心的健保給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[9078].start |
24777.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9078].end |
24779.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9078].text |
是最高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9079].start |
24779.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9079].end |
24781.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9079].text |
怎麼會造成健保的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9080].start |
24781.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9080].end |
24783.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9080].text |
財務黑洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[9081].start |
24783.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9081].end |
24785.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9081].text |
這個都必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[9082].start |
24785.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9082].end |
24787.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9082].text |
很謹慎面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9083].start |
24787.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9083].end |
24789.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9083].text |
所以這個分級醫療制度的落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[9084].start |
24789.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9084].end |
24791.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9084].text |
就會很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[9085].start |
24791.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9085].end |
24793.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9085].text |
部長講到分級醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[9086].start |
24794.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9086].end |
24796.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9086].text |
醫學中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[9087].start |
24796.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9087].end |
24798.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9087].text |
加速越多 |
| transcript.whisperx[9088].start |
24797.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9088].end |
24799.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9088].text |
分級醫療越困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[9089].start |
24800.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9089].end |
24802.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9089].text |
部長 心目中 |
| transcript.whisperx[9090].start |
24801.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9090].end |
24803.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9090].text |
為什麼呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9091].start |
24803.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9091].end |
24805.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9091].text |
就醫太方便了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9092].start |
24805.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9092].end |
24807.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9092].text |
就醫太方便了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9093].start |
24807.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9093].end |
24809.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9093].text |
某些程度上 |
| transcript.whisperx[9094].start |
24809.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9094].end |
24811.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9094].text |
委員說的是很正確 |
| transcript.whisperx[9095].start |
24811.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9095].end |
24813.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9095].text |
因為我們對民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[9096].start |
24813.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9096].end |
24815.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9096].text |
的就醫的門檻 |
| transcript.whisperx[9097].start |
24815.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9097].end |
24817.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9097].text |
並不高 |
| transcript.whisperx[9098].start |
24817.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9098].end |
24819.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9098].text |
所以他直接到醫學中心就醫 |
| transcript.whisperx[9099].start |
24819.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9099].end |
24821.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9099].text |
雖然有多的部分負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[9100].start |
24821.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9100].end |
24823.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9100].text |
但是那個金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[9101].start |
24823.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9101].end |
24825.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9101].text |
並不高 |
| transcript.whisperx[9102].start |
24825.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9102].end |
24827.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9102].text |
所以這個確實是有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[9103].start |
24827.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9103].end |
24829.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9103].text |
部長 我最後講一段話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9104].start |
24829.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9104].end |
24831.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9104].text |
就是說以這次 |
| transcript.whisperx[9105].start |
24831.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9105].end |
24833.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9105].text |
有品來看 我還是要從 |
| transcript.whisperx[9106].start |
24833.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9106].end |
24835.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9106].text |
食品安全管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9107].start |
24835.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9107].end |
24837.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9107].text |
來做中和的判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[9108].start |
24839.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9108].end |
24841.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9108].text |
我們在食品安全管理法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[9109].start |
24841.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9109].end |
24843.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9109].text |
大概就規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9110].start |
24843.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9110].end |
24845.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9110].text |
有關查核的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[9111].start |
24845.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9111].end |
24847.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9111].text |
大概就規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9112].start |
24847.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9112].end |
24849.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9112].text |
三千萬以上資本 |
| transcript.whisperx[9113].start |
24849.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9113].end |
24851.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9113].text |
而得償 |
| transcript.whisperx[9114].start |
24851.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9114].end |
24853.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9114].text |
必須要每年 |
| transcript.whisperx[9115].start |
24853.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9115].end |
24855.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9115].text |
做兩次的自主檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[9116].start |
24855.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9116].end |
24857.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9116].text |
有問題就通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9117].start |
24860.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9117].end |
24862.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9117].text |
提防政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[9118].start |
24863 |
| transcript.whisperx[9118].end |
24865 |
| transcript.whisperx[9118].text |
其實我看 |
| transcript.whisperx[9119].start |
24865 |
| transcript.whisperx[9119].end |
24867 |
| transcript.whisperx[9119].text |
食安法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9120].start |
24868.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[9120].end |
24870.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[9120].text |
提防政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[9121].start |
24869.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[9121].end |
24871.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[9121].text |
負擔的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[9122].start |
24871.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[9122].end |
24873.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[9122].text |
是比中央政府大很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[9123].start |
24874.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[9123].end |
24876.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[9123].text |
因為他們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9124].start |
24876.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[9124].end |
24878.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[9124].text |
是有被41條 |
| transcript.whisperx[9125].start |
24878.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[9125].end |
24880.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[9125].text |
有被40 |
| transcript.whisperx[9126].start |
24880.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[9126].end |
24882.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[9126].text |
41條是有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9127].start |
24882.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[9127].end |
24884.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[9127].text |
縣市主管機關是可以去 |
| transcript.whisperx[9128].start |
24884.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[9128].end |
24886.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[9128].text |
去到場 |
| transcript.whisperx[9129].start |
24888.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9129].end |
24890.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9129].text |
查驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9130].start |
24890.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9130].end |
24892.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9130].text |
那你衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[9131].start |
24892.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9131].end |
24894.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9131].text |
食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[9132].start |
24894.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9132].end |
24896.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9132].text |
頂多也就在重大事故的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9133].start |
24896.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9133].end |
24898.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9133].text |
才啟動專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[9134].start |
24898.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9134].end |
24900.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9134].text |
查核嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9135].start |
24900.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9135].end |
24902.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9135].text |
以目前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9136].start |
24902.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9136].end |
24904.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9136].text |
以目前跟文 |
| transcript.whisperx[9137].start |
24904.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9137].end |
24906.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9137].text |
報告完全正確 41條 |
| transcript.whisperx[9138].start |
24906.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9138].end |
24908.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9138].text |
賦予的地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[9139].start |
24908.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9139].end |
24910.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9139].text |
可以實地查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[9140].start |
24910.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9140].end |
24912.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9140].text |
集合抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[9141].start |
24912.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9141].end |
24914.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9141].text |
那同時也賦予他下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[9142].start |
24914.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9142].end |
24916.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9142].text |
停止銷售的這個權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[9143].start |
24916.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9143].end |
24918.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9143].text |
你們想做還不能做 |
| transcript.whisperx[9144].start |
24918.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9144].end |
24920.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9144].text |
我們是寫在 |
| transcript.whisperx[9145].start |
24920.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9145].end |
24922.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9145].text |
你們必要時 |
| transcript.whisperx[9146].start |
24922.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9146].end |
24924.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9146].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9147].start |
24924.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9147].end |
24926.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9147].text |
所以我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[9148].start |
24927.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9148].end |
24929.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9148].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[9149].start |
24929.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9149].end |
24931.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9149].text |
並不一定要把每一件事情都變成政治事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[9150].start |
24933.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[9150].end |
24935.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[9150].text |
食安大家都不重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[9151].start |
24935.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[9151].end |
24937.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[9151].text |
那假如說不分藍綠 |
| transcript.whisperx[9152].start |
24937.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[9152].end |
24939.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[9152].text |
大家這麼重視食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[9153].start |
24939.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[9153].end |
24941.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[9153].text |
是不是就請部裡面這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[9154].start |
24941.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[9154].end |
24943.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[9154].text |
這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[9155].start |
24943.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[9155].end |
24945.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[9155].text |
就是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[9156].start |
24944.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[9156].end |
24946.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[9156].text |
想 |
| transcript.whisperx[9157].start |
24945.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9157].end |
24947.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9157].text |
詳盡的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[9158].start |
24947.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9158].end |
24949.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9158].text |
那給足人力啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9159].start |
24949.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9159].end |
24951.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9159].text |
要不然我看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[9160].start |
24951.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9160].end |
24953.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9160].text |
我也不點名哪一個縣市啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9161].start |
24953.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9161].end |
24955.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9161].text |
就是有的縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[9162].start |
24955.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9162].end |
24957.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9162].text |
五年 |
| transcript.whisperx[9163].start |
24957.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9163].end |
24959.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9163].text |
欸查月一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[9164].start |
24959.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9164].end |
24961.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9164].text |
搞不好還沒有送審啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9165].start |
24961.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9165].end |
24963.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9165].text |
我就就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9166].start |
24963.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9166].end |
24965.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9166].text |
各縣市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[9167].start |
24965.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9167].end |
24967.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9167].text |
我覺得事情發生了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[9168].start |
24967.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9168].end |
24969.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9168].text |
作為執政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[9169].start |
24969.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9169].end |
24971.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9169].text |
我們處理善後 |
| transcript.whisperx[9170].start |
24971.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9170].end |
24973.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9170].text |
這個是執政的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9171].start |
24974.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9171].end |
24976.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9171].text |
必要負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[9172].start |
24976.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[9172].end |
24978.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[9172].text |
合從法法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[9173].start |
24978.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9173].end |
24980.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9173].text |
Fooey |
| transcript.whisperx[9174].start |
24979.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[9174].end |
24981.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[9174].text |
刻意的責任對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[9175].start |
24982.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[9175].end |
24984.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[9175].text |
並不是衛福部啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[9176].start |
24985.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[9176].end |
24987.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[9176].text |
NO |
| transcript.whisperx[9177].start |
24986.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9177].end |
24988.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9177].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9178].start |
24988.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9178].end |
24990.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9178].text |
這個食安本來就是中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[9179].start |
24990.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9179].end |
24992.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9179].text |
大家都要密切的合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[9180].start |
24992.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9180].end |
24994.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9180].text |
我現在是說我們要從 |
| transcript.whisperx[9181].start |
24994.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9181].end |
24996.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9181].text |
從法規範來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[9182].start |
24996.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9182].end |
24998.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9182].text |
從法規範來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[9183].start |
24998.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9183].end |
25000.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9183].text |
地方政府的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9184].start |
25000.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9184].end |
25002.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9184].text |
的查驗其實是41條 |
| transcript.whisperx[9185].start |
25002.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9185].end |
25004.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9185].text |
是明確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9186].start |
25004.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9186].end |
25006.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9186].text |
很明確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9187].start |
25006.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9187].end |
25008.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9187].text |
怎麼會全部 |
| transcript.whisperx[9188].start |
25008.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9188].end |
25010.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9188].text |
全部跑來罵衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[9189].start |
25010.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9189].end |
25012.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9189].text |
和食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[9190].start |
25012.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9190].end |
25014.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9190].text |
我就搞不懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[9191].start |
25013.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9191].end |
25015.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9191].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9192].start |
25014.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9192].end |
25016.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9192].text |
沒有結束了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9193].start |
25016.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9193].end |
25018.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[9193].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[9194].start |
25019.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9194].end |
25021.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9194].text |
謝謝楊耀文的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9195].start |
25021.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9195].end |
25023.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9195].text |
接下來請劉建國委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9196].start |
25037.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[9196].end |
25039.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[9196].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[9197].start |
25039.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[9197].end |
25041.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[9197].text |
有請石崇良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[9198].start |
25042.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[9198].end |
25044.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[9198].text |
部長如果照 |
| transcript.whisperx[9199].start |
25044.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[9199].end |
25046.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[9199].text |
部長如果剛剛照我楊耀文 |
| transcript.whisperx[9200].start |
25046.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[9200].end |
25048.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[9200].text |
我們依照三法第41條 |
| transcript.whisperx[9201].start |
25049.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[9201].end |
25051.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[9201].text |
那77月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[9202].start |
25051.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[9202].end |
25053.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[9202].text |
FDA錯誤宣布就不對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9203].start |
25055.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9203].end |
25057.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9203].text |
葉毛代儲 |
| transcript.whisperx[9204].start |
25058.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9204].end |
25060.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9204].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[9205].start |
25060.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9205].end |
25062.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9205].text |
因為在這個食安法的第四條 |
| transcript.whisperx[9206].start |
25062.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9206].end |
25064.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9206].text |
第五項也有授權給 |
| transcript.whisperx[9207].start |
25064.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9207].end |
25066.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9207].text |
主管機關對於這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[9208].start |
25066.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9208].end |
25068.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9208].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9209].start |
25068.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9209].end |
25070.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9209].text |
停止製造生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[9210].start |
25070.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9210].end |
25072.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9210].text |
下架也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9211].start |
25072.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9211].end |
25074.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9211].text |
對重大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9212].start |
25074.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9212].end |
25076.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9212].text |
那個是只針對重大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9213].start |
25076.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9213].end |
25078.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9213].text |
那麼我們也有這個權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[9214].start |
25078.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9214].end |
25080.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9214].text |
食安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9215].start |
25080.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9215].end |
25082.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9215].text |
如果一直要持續的用這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9216].start |
25082.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9216].end |
25084.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9216].text |
就有觀念說他叫做重大 |
| transcript.whisperx[9217].start |
25084.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9217].end |
25086.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9217].text |
所以中央就必須處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9218].start |
25086.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9218].end |
25088.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9218].text |
那這樣的思維 |
| transcript.whisperx[9219].start |
25088.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9219].end |
25090.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9219].text |
會在這次修法的過程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[9220].start |
25090.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9220].end |
25092.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9220].text |
會有很大的問題存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[9221].start |
25092.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9221].end |
25094.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9221].text |
食安的問題就是食安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9222].start |
25094.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9222].end |
25096.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9222].text |
沒有在分什麼重大或不重大 |
| transcript.whisperx[9223].start |
25096.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9223].end |
25098.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9223].text |
應該有這樣的思維 |
| transcript.whisperx[9224].start |
25098.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9224].end |
25100.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9224].text |
我從三個面下來跟部長討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[9225].start |
25100.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9225].end |
25102.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9225].text |
我們4月6號 |
| transcript.whisperx[9226].start |
25102.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9226].end |
25104.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9226].text |
4月到6月的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9227].start |
25104.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9227].end |
25106.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9227].text |
遊民共是30批 |
| transcript.whisperx[9228].start |
25106.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9228].end |
25108.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9228].text |
那昨天在部長的宣布下 |
| transcript.whisperx[9229].start |
25108.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9229].end |
25110.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9229].text |
確定有19批是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9230].start |
25110.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9230].end |
25112.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9230].text |
他可以重新上架沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[9231].start |
25112.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9231].end |
25114.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9231].text |
那剩下11批中有3批是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9232].start |
25114.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9232].end |
25116.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9232].text |
還沒有出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[9233].start |
25116.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9233].end |
25118.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9233].text |
11扣3就剩8批 |
| transcript.whisperx[9234].start |
25118.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9234].end |
25120.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9234].text |
7批有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9235].start |
25120.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9235].end |
25122.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9235].text |
另外一批是無檢體 |
| transcript.whisperx[9236].start |
25122.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9236].end |
25124.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9236].text |
確定不可以再上架遊民 |
| transcript.whisperx[9237].start |
25124.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9237].end |
25126.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9237].text |
那以這8批 |
| transcript.whisperx[9238].start |
25126.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9238].end |
25128.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9238].text |
衛部跟FD要怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9239].start |
25128.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9239].end |
25130.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9239].text |
這個通通都是下架回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[9240].start |
25130.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9240].end |
25132.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9240].text |
回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[9241].start |
25132.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9241].end |
25134.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9241].text |
回收人才會理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9242].start |
25134.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9242].end |
25136.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9242].text |
以上有來講他有時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9243].start |
25136.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9243].end |
25138.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9243].text |
他可以去做生殖柴油 |
| transcript.whisperx[9244].start |
25138.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9244].end |
25140.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9244].text |
去處理掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[9245].start |
25140.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9245].end |
25142.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9245].text |
做生殖柴油 |
| transcript.whisperx[9246].start |
25142.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9246].end |
25144.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9246].text |
全部都做生殖柴油 |
| transcript.whisperx[9247].start |
25144.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9247].end |
25146.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9247].text |
還是怎樣處理的一個SOP |
| transcript.whisperx[9248].start |
25146.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9248].end |
25148.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9248].text |
能不能簡單說明清楚一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[9249].start |
25148.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9249].end |
25150.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9249].text |
因為量體太大 |
| transcript.whisperx[9250].start |
25150.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9250].end |
25152.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9250].text |
總共8批 |
| transcript.whisperx[9251].start |
25152.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9251].end |
25154.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9251].text |
那8批到底多少量 |
| transcript.whisperx[9252].start |
25154.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9252].end |
25156.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9252].text |
你們要怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9253].start |
25156.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[9253].end |
25158.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[9253].text |
怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9254].start |
25157.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9254].end |
25159.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9254].text |
當然這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9255].start |
25159.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9255].end |
25161.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9255].text |
你過去的這個我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9256].start |
25161.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9256].end |
25163.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9256].text |
這個SOP這是由 |
| transcript.whisperx[9257].start |
25163.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9257].end |
25165.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9257].text |
地方來協助處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9258].start |
25165.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9258].end |
25167.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9258].text |
因為這個公司在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[9259].start |
25167.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9259].end |
25169.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9259].text |
就是主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[9260].start |
25169.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9260].end |
25171.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9260].text |
在地的主管機關去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9261].start |
25171.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9261].end |
25173.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9261].text |
不過我們會來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[9262].start |
25173.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9262].end |
25175.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9262].text |
誰監督不是協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[9263].start |
25175.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9263].end |
25177.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9263].text |
那萬一又出問題咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[9264].start |
25177.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[9264].end |
25179.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[9264].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[9265].start |
25179.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9265].end |
25181.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9265].text |
誰監督啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9266].start |
25181.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9266].end |
25183.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9266].text |
不管你要流向去什麼地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[9267].start |
25183.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9267].end |
25185.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9267].text |
甚至達到要銷毀的程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[9268].start |
25185.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9268].end |
25187.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9268].text |
那地方政府來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9269].start |
25187.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9269].end |
25189.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9269].text |
地方衛生局來執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[9270].start |
25189.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9270].end |
25191.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9270].text |
那誰來監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[9271].start |
25191.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9271].end |
25193.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9271].text |
按照我們的這個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9272].start |
25193.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9272].end |
25195.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9272].text |
這個業者就要開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[9273].start |
25195.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9273].end |
25197.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9273].text |
寫這個銷毀計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[9274].start |
25197.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9274].end |
25199.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9274].text |
銷毀計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[9275].start |
25199.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9275].end |
25201.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9275].text |
全部是銷毀 |
| transcript.whisperx[9276].start |
25201.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9276].end |
25203.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9276].text |
沒有再流用去做生殖柴油 |
| transcript.whisperx[9277].start |
25203.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9277].end |
25205.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9277].text |
那也是一種選擇啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9278].start |
25205.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9278].end |
25207.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9278].text |
那麼再來的話呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9279].start |
25207.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9279].end |
25209.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9279].text |
就會由衛生局來審核 |
| transcript.whisperx[9280].start |
25209.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9280].end |
25211.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9280].text |
然後才會有銷毀計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[9281].start |
25211.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9281].end |
25213.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9281].text |
是不是妥適OK |
| transcript.whisperx[9282].start |
25213.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9282].end |
25215.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9282].text |
然後才由衛生局來監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[9283].start |
25215.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9283].end |
25217.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9283].text |
業者按照這個計畫來實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[9284].start |
25217.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9284].end |
25219.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9284].text |
那這個需要有純正 |
| transcript.whisperx[9285].start |
25219.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9285].end |
25221.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9285].text |
就是要攝影純正 |
| transcript.whisperx[9286].start |
25221.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9286].end |
25223.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9286].text |
留有出面紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[9287].start |
25223.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9287].end |
25225.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9287].text |
這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9288].start |
25225.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9288].end |
25227.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9288].text |
地方衛生局誰來監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[9289].start |
25228.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9289].end |
25230.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9289].text |
地方衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[9290].start |
25231.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9290].end |
25233.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9290].text |
他們執行不用監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[9291].start |
25233.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9291].end |
25235.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9291].text |
就他們去監督業者怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9292].start |
25235.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9292].end |
25237.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9292].text |
就按照第八條的規定來執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[9293].start |
25238.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9293].end |
25240.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9293].text |
地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[9294].start |
25240.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9294].end |
25242.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9294].text |
我們有訂了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9295].start |
25242.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9295].end |
25244.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9295].text |
叫食品及其相關產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[9296].start |
25244.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9296].end |
25246.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9296].text |
回收銷毀處理辦法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9297].start |
25246.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9297].end |
25248.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9297].text |
第八條來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9298].start |
25248.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[9298].end |
25250.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[9298].text |
這個都明定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9299].start |
25250.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9299].end |
25252.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9299].text |
我知道十萬石安華裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[9300].start |
25252.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9300].end |
25254.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9300].text |
原本通通有明定嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9301].start |
25254.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9301].end |
25256.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9301].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9302].start |
25256.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9302].end |
25258.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9302].text |
就是沒有人要叫石安華這樣的方式去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9303].start |
25258.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9303].end |
25260.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9303].text |
所以我現在講說這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[9304].start |
25260.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9304].end |
25262.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9304].text |
要銷毀的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9305].start |
25262.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9305].end |
25264.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9305].text |
8P的這些油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[9306].start |
25265.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[9306].end |
25267.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[9306].text |
地方政府來執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[9307].start |
25267.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[9307].end |
25269.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[9307].text |
誰來監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[9308].start |
25269.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[9308].end |
25271.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[9308].text |
就是他由業者執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[9309].start |
25271.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[9309].end |
25273.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[9309].text |
然後由 |
| transcript.whisperx[9310].start |
25273.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[9310].end |
25275.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[9310].text |
地方主管機關監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[9311].start |
25275.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[9311].end |
25277.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[9311].text |
那中央要不要判員督導 |
| transcript.whisperx[9312].start |
25277.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9312].end |
25279.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9312].text |
我們可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[9313].start |
25279.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9313].end |
25281.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9313].text |
不然再出問題誰要承擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[9314].start |
25281.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9314].end |
25283.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9314].text |
我們會派人去 |
| transcript.whisperx[9315].start |
25283.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[9315].end |
25285.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[9315].text |
這個要很明確好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9316].start |
25285.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[9316].end |
25287.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[9316].text |
這個很明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[9317].start |
25287.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[9317].end |
25289.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[9317].text |
過去已經執行過很多次了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9318].start |
25289.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[9318].end |
25291.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[9318].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[9319].start |
25291.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[9319].end |
25293.81 |
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我再提醒部長跟署長一件事情 |
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就這件事件的中聯油品 |
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他其實現在包括 |
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我們都知道了太山胡壽嘛 |
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還有胡茂 |
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他市佔率應該是三到四成左右 |
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30% |
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所以他目前18公升的實用油的供應市場 |
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其實已經出現 |
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那個叫預期的心理 |
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這個你們應該知道嘛 |
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然後即便下來 |
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有相當這些中油的油品 |
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重新上架 |
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我想那個整個市場的接受度 |
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他可能還有一段距離 |
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然後 |
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要不要在這個時間點 |
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要防止一些其他的品牌 |
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在油品監督上可能要再加嚴 |
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這個至關重要 |
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你不僅要確保這個油品的品質 |
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也要沿往這不效益業者 |
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趁這次風波上下起手 |
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這個可能要請部長會同 |
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這個消保處 |
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經濟部黨相關單位 |
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來加以嚴密的管控 |
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跟監督 |
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跟委員報告其實在 |
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院裡面也有這個 |
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定期的在開這個聯繫會議 |
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就是涉及到 |
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市場端的穩定 |
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因為確實像委員講的 |
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他這個他提供的油品 |
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其實是快到40% |
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所以其他當然現在以其他 |
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三個主要的煉油廠來做 |
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供應 |
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到目前的推估上供應量 |
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是還夠 |
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但是我們會繼續往前去 |
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推估 |
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有必要的時候也會讓他去進口 |
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一些出油進來再精煉 |
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這樣速度會更快 |
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我再請教部長從另外面下來 |
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討論我們現在食安法的 |
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是會比照這個疫情指揮中心 |
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的方式 |
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朝向成立食安指揮中心 |
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對 |
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然後我支持 |
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但是我要去你的建議我剛剛特別提到 |
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如果要比照這個 |
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疫情指揮中心但這個成立 |
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的時機絕對不是 |
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只有什麼重大 |
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只能做到什麼重大的 |
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食安事件才去成立 |
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應該不是這樣對不對 |
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那依據這個傳染病 |
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防治法17條規定 |
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專案組成機關 |
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考量國內外的疫情嚴重程度統籌 |
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內容統籌 |
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各種資源設備大大大等必要時 |
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報請行政院同意成立 |
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中央流行疫情指揮中心 |
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也就是說受損住院機關 |
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可以考量 |
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可以去判斷疫情的時機狀況 |
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對不對 |
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但是食安跟疫情不一樣 |
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食安 |
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但是我們也是會參考國內外的 |
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這些資訊 |
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因為有時候因為這個國際貿易的關係 |
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也有可能輸入所以我們也會去 |
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參考這個國內外 |
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的情形 |
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然後跟這個 |
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這個流行病 |
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疫情指揮中心有類似的 |
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概念我只是要提醒部長跟 |
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署長我覺得這個食安跟 |
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疫情還是不同的 |
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所以食安不能只有受損住院機關去 |
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做考量判斷 |
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食安的疑慮我剛剛特別提到不論大小 |
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食安重大事件 |
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反正不論大小 |
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我們都應該啟動這個指揮中心 |
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進行相關情況的 |
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這樣的一個研判 |
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也是跟委員說明 |
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因為這個 |
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最主要的目的就是他需要去 |
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整合資源 |
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還有調度相關的 |
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設備人力的時候 |
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那麼 |
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意思就是說他的規模 |
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或者是涉及到要 |
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跨縣市跨局處 |
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的時候那我們就會 |
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有這個指揮中心的 |
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設立那有一些他如果他的 |
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規模是比較小或 |
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單一一個單獨 |
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事件沒有擴大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9431].start |
25518.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9431].end |
25520.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9431].text |
情形我們都會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9432].start |
25520.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9432].end |
25522.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9432].text |
風險的評估分級 |
| transcript.whisperx[9433].start |
25522.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9433].end |
25524.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9433].text |
來決定那你要不要參照念 |
| transcript.whisperx[9434].start |
25524.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9434].end |
25526.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9434].text |
政部所謂的中央在應變中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[9435].start |
25526.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9435].end |
25528.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9435].text |
的作用點所謂的一級開設 |
| transcript.whisperx[9436].start |
25528.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9436].end |
25530.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9436].text |
二級開設三級開設嘛對嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9437].start |
25530.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9437].end |
25532.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9437].text |
對這個有一個授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[9438].start |
25532.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9438].end |
25534.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9438].text |
我們有個授權來訂這個組織 |
| transcript.whisperx[9439].start |
25534.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9439].end |
25536.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9439].text |
跟啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[9440].start |
25536.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9440].end |
25538.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9440].text |
以到嚴重程度來提升指揮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9441].start |
25538.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9441].end |
25540.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9441].text |
那個樣能跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[9442].start |
25540.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9442].end |
25542.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9442].text |
指揮官的這樣的一個階級 |
| transcript.whisperx[9443].start |
25542.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9443].end |
25544.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9443].text |
應該是這樣嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9444].start |
25544.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9444].end |
25546.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9444].text |
因為我是看這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[9445].start |
25546.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9445].end |
25548.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9445].text |
你看到我們食藥署第一時間是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9446].start |
25548.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9446].end |
25550.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9446].text |
106年食品安全之一會 |
| transcript.whisperx[9447].start |
25550.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9447].end |
25552.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9447].text |
訂定的食品違規案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[9448].start |
25552.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9448].end |
25554.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9448].text |
產品下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[9449].start |
25554.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9449].end |
25556.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9449].text |
回收封存銷毀階層 |
| transcript.whisperx[9450].start |
25556.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9450].end |
25558.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9450].text |
這一次處理原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[9451].start |
25558.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9451].end |
25560.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9451].text |
來處理這次的這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9452].start |
25560.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9452].end |
25562.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9452].text |
有的一個下架的一個程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[9453].start |
25562.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9453].end |
25564.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9453].text |
但是這106年的食品安全之一會 |
| transcript.whisperx[9454].start |
25564.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9454].end |
25566.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9454].text |
他認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[9455].start |
25567.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9455].end |
25569.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9455].text |
人民幣的油只要下架第一層就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[9456].start |
25569.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9456].end |
25571.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9456].text |
顯然 |
| transcript.whisperx[9457].start |
25571.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9457].end |
25573.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9457].text |
大眾就覺得不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[9458].start |
25573.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9458].end |
25575.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9458].text |
部長也覺得這個做法是有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9459].start |
25577.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9459].end |
25579.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9459].text |
應該是這樣嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9460].start |
25579.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9460].end |
25581.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9460].text |
所以才會繞個一大圈花了快一周 |
| transcript.whisperx[9461].start |
25581.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9461].end |
25583.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9461].text |
然後一層二層變到三層 |
| transcript.whisperx[9462].start |
25583.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9462].end |
25585.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9462].text |
所以我想這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9463].start |
25585.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9463].end |
25587.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9463].text |
實際上就是如此沒有什麼容許空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[9464].start |
25587.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9464].end |
25589.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9464].text |
有疑慮我們中央就應該當機立斷了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9465].start |
25589.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9465].end |
25591.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9465].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[9466].start |
25591.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9466].end |
25593.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9466].text |
我是要求就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9467].start |
25593.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9467].end |
25595.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9467].text |
針對106當時訂定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9468].start |
25595.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9468].end |
25597.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9468].text |
這個產品下架回收封存銷毀 |
| transcript.whisperx[9469].start |
25597.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9469].end |
25599.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9469].text |
階層支出原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[9470].start |
25599.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9470].end |
25601.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9470].text |
也必須要全面修正了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9471].start |
25601.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9471].end |
25603.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9471].text |
加嚴嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9472].start |
25603.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9472].end |
25605.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9472].text |
對未來三四件無論大小就是必須啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[9473].start |
25605.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9473].end |
25607.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9473].text |
食安的指揮中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[9474].start |
25607.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9474].end |
25609.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9474].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9475].start |
25609.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9475].end |
25611.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9475].text |
跟委員說明當時後這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9476].start |
25611.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9476].end |
25613.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9476].text |
這個大架的這個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[9477].start |
25613.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9477].end |
25615.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9477].text |
階層原則是把 |
| transcript.whisperx[9478].start |
25615.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9478].end |
25617.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9478].text |
違反這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9479].start |
25617.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9479].end |
25619.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9479].text |
衛生安全標準的通通在同一類 |
| transcript.whisperx[9480].start |
25619.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9480].end |
25621.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9480].text |
就是第八類 |
| transcript.whisperx[9481].start |
25621.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9481].end |
25623.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9481].text |
但是這個違反衛生安全標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9482].start |
25623.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9482].end |
25625.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9482].text |
這個品項其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[9483].start |
25625.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9483].end |
25627.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9483].text |
還蠻多種的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9484].start |
25627.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9484].end |
25629.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9484].text |
所以可能還是需要把它按照 |
| transcript.whisperx[9485].start |
25629.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9485].end |
25631.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9485].text |
這個風險危害的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[9486].start |
25631.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9486].end |
25633.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9486].text |
稍微做一點分級 |
| transcript.whisperx[9487].start |
25633.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9487].end |
25635.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9487].text |
然後我們會重新檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[9488].start |
25635.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9488].end |
25637.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9488].text |
這個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[9489].start |
25637.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9489].end |
25639.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9489].text |
也會在這次修法把它明確入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9490].start |
25639.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9490].end |
25641.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9490].text |
從這個方向的修法我們就來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9491].start |
25641.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9491].end |
25643.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9491].text |
支持了好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9492].start |
25643.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9492].end |
25645.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9492].text |
最後一個面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[9493].start |
25645.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9493].end |
25647.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9493].text |
剛剛楊委員我聽到最後面講的人力問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9494].start |
25648.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9494].end |
25650.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9494].text |
這個人力問題真的非常嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[9495].start |
25650.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9495].end |
25652.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9495].text |
我不曉得這幾天有沒有討論到這個人力問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9496].start |
25652.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9496].end |
25654.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9496].text |
你看114年FDA的機場 |
| transcript.whisperx[9497].start |
25654.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9497].end |
25656.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9497].text |
167DN衛生局的機場 |
| transcript.whisperx[9498].start |
25656.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9498].end |
25658.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9498].text |
163全國共計 |
| transcript.whisperx[9499].start |
25658.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9499].end |
25660.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9499].text |
634年來應付全國 |
| transcript.whisperx[9500].start |
25660.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9500].end |
25662.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9500].text |
40萬家的食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9501].start |
25663.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9501].end |
25665.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9501].text |
這個比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[9502].start |
25665.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9502].end |
25667.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9502].text |
這個比例學就輸 |
| transcript.whisperx[9503].start |
25667.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[9503].end |
25669.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[9503].text |
太大了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9504].start |
25669.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[9504].end |
25671.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[9504].text |
那不只如此喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[9505].start |
25671.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9505].end |
25673.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9505].text |
你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[9506].start |
25672.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9506].end |
25674.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9506].text |
我們2300萬的食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[9507].start |
25674.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9507].end |
25676.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9507].text |
還有剛剛特別講 |
| transcript.whisperx[9508].start |
25676.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9508].end |
25678.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9508].text |
是40萬家 |
| transcript.whisperx[9509].start |
25678.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9509].end |
25680.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9509].text |
634人來做這樣把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[9510].start |
25680.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9510].end |
25682.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9510].text |
不然就這樣合理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9511].start |
25682.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9511].end |
25684.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9511].text |
量能夠嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9512].start |
25684.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9512].end |
25686.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9512].text |
其實跟委員說明這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[9513].start |
25686.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9513].end |
25688.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9513].text |
不只是食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[9514].start |
25688.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9514].end |
25690.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9514].text |
中央的人力大家很辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9515].start |
25690.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9515].end |
25692.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9515].text |
其實地方第一線的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9516].start |
25692.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9516].end |
25694.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9516].text |
衛生人員其實他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[9517].start |
25694.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9517].end |
25696.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9517].text |
也很辛苦啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9518].start |
25696.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9518].end |
25698.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9518].text |
所以未來我們應該是朝兩個方向來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9519].start |
25698.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9519].end |
25700.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9519].text |
一個喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[9520].start |
25700.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9520].end |
25702.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9520].text |
第二是利用智慧化的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[9521].start |
25702.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9521].end |
25704.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9521].text |
來管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9522].start |
25704.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9522].end |
25706.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9522].text |
不要統統都是要跳脫傳統的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9523].start |
25706.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9523].end |
25708.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9523].text |
稽查方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[9524].start |
25708.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9524].end |
25710.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9524].text |
盡量要能夠這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9525].start |
25710.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9525].end |
25712.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9525].text |
智慧化的監測預警系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[9526].start |
25712.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9526].end |
25714.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9526].text |
我們再來更完備 |
| transcript.whisperx[9527].start |
25714.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9527].end |
25716.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9527].text |
第二個喔分風險等級來查 |
| transcript.whisperx[9528].start |
25716.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9528].end |
25718.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9528].text |
這個是很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[9529].start |
25718.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9529].end |
25720.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9529].text |
不然你會花了很多的力氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9530].start |
25720.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9530].end |
25722.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9530].text |
但是沒有切中到那個要點 |
| transcript.whisperx[9531].start |
25722.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9531].end |
25724.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9531].text |
所以還會未來會 |
| transcript.whisperx[9532].start |
25724.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9532].end |
25726.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9532].text |
我們會按照這個風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[9533].start |
25726.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9533].end |
25728.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9533].text |
去處理這個稽查的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[9534].start |
25728.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9534].end |
25730.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9534].text |
避免第一線的人力過勞 |
| transcript.whisperx[9535].start |
25730.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9535].end |
25732.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9535].text |
當然如果能夠增加人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[9536].start |
25732.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9536].end |
25734.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9536].text |
我們當然也是全力來爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[9537].start |
25735.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9537].end |
25737.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9537].text |
所以部長有沒有朝向跟行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[9538].start |
25737.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9538].end |
25739.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9538].text |
要爭取人力 要增加於火 |
| transcript.whisperx[9539].start |
25740.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[9539].end |
25742.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[9539].text |
我們持續爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[9540].start |
25742.01 |
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其實我們過去就去年就爭取 |
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25744.01 |
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主要是擴充我們的邊境查驗 |
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因為邊境查驗也很重要 |
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從源頭就管 |
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所以我們去年是先增加 |
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邊境這個查驗的人力 |
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那接下來我們也會按照我們業務的需要 |
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25758.01 |
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來持續的爭取 |
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25760.01 |
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我看一個歷史的數據 |
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25760.01 |
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25762.01 |
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再請教部長 |
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25762.01 |
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25764.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[9550].text |
103年 |
| transcript.whisperx[9551].start |
25764.01 |
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25766.01 |
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通過食品業者專門 |
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25766.01 |
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25768.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[9552].text |
職業或技術這個證照 |
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25768.01 |
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25770.01 |
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經典設置及管理辦法 |
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25770.01 |
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25772.01 |
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104年開始考試 |
| transcript.whisperx[9555].start |
25772.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[9555].end |
25774.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[9555].text |
至今台灣有數千位的食品技師 |
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25774.01 |
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25776.01 |
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然後這群食品技師 |
| transcript.whisperx[9557].start |
25776.01 |
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25778.01 |
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就是食安的第一線 |
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25778.01 |
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25780.01 |
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也應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9559].start |
25780.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[9559].end |
25782.01 |
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衛部FDA的最好助手 |
| transcript.whisperx[9560].start |
25781.93 |
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25783.93 |
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但這幾年衛部 |
| transcript.whisperx[9561].start |
25783.93 |
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25785.93 |
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應該是不重視食品技師的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[9562].start |
25786.6 |
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25788.6 |
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應該是這樣 |
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25788.6 |
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25790.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9563].text |
所以他食品技師的報國人數是雪崩式的下跌 |
| transcript.whisperx[9564].start |
25790.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9564].end |
25792.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9564].text |
104年 |
| transcript.whisperx[9565].start |
25792.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9565].end |
25794.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9565].text |
招口的時候 |
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25793.94 |
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25795.94 |
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報考人數高達2000多人 |
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25795.94 |
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25797.94 |
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到去年只剩下568人報考 |
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25797.94 |
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25799.94 |
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那不僅報考人數雪崩式的 |
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25799.94 |
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25801.94 |
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類檢 |
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25801.94 |
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25803.94 |
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已經取得證照的 |
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25803.94 |
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25805.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[9571].text |
最終離開這個職場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9572].start |
25805.94 |
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25807.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[9572].text |
去職業的也不再少數了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9573].start |
25807.94 |
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25809.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[9573].text |
也沒有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9574].start |
25809.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[9574].end |
25811.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[9574].text |
台灣的食品安全最堅強的後盾的一群人 |
| transcript.whisperx[9575].start |
25811.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[9575].end |
25813.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[9575].text |
怎麼會變這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9576].start |
25814.55 |
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25816.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9576].text |
而且這次優品事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[9577].start |
25816.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9577].end |
25818.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9577].text |
食品技師公會發出聲明 |
| transcript.whisperx[9578].start |
25818.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9578].end |
25820.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9578].text |
他們提出了具體建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[9579].start |
25820.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9579].end |
25822.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9579].text |
我不想部長有掌握嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9580].start |
25822.55 |
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25824.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9580].text |
這兩件事請部長回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[9581].start |
25824.55 |
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25826.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9581].text |
但是也謝謝委員提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[9582].start |
25826.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9582].end |
25828.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9582].text |
這是我們當然在 |
| transcript.whisperx[9583].start |
25828.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9583].end |
25830.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9583].text |
傳統的公務人力上 |
| transcript.whisperx[9584].start |
25830.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9584].end |
25832.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9584].text |
會很吃緊 |
| transcript.whisperx[9585].start |
25832.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9585].end |
25834.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9585].text |
但是這些專業人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9586].start |
25834.55 |
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25836.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9586].text |
包含食品技師或者是公衛師 |
| transcript.whisperx[9587].start |
25836.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9587].end |
25838.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9587].text |
這些 |
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25838.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9588].end |
25840.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9588].text |
那麼也都是經過一定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9589].start |
25840.55 |
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25842.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9589].text |
教育跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9590].start |
25842.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9590].end |
25844.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9590].text |
考核那麼才有辦法取得這些資格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9591].start |
25844.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9591].end |
25846.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9591].text |
我們來研議看看 |
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25846.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9592].end |
25848.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9592].text |
讓他能夠導入 |
| transcript.whisperx[9593].start |
25848.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9593].end |
25850.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9593].text |
來擴充我們這些所需要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9594].start |
25850.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9594].end |
25852.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9594].text |
稽查人力或者食安的人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[9595].start |
25852.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9595].end |
25854.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9595].text |
他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[9596].start |
25854.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9596].end |
25856.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9596].text |
各位是這樣建立啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9597].start |
25856.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9597].end |
25858.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9597].text |
建樹成立食品技術的驗證制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[9598].start |
25858.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9598].end |
25860.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9598].text |
那內部有食品技師 |
| transcript.whisperx[9599].start |
25860.55 |
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25862.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9599].text |
也要有權責 |
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25862.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9600].end |
25864.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9600].text |
同時也要搭配外部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9601].start |
25864.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9601].end |
25866.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9601].text |
食品技師的驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[9602].start |
25866.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9602].end |
25868.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9602].text |
然後最後再加上 |
| transcript.whisperx[9603].start |
25868.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9603].end |
25870.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9603].text |
政府任用的公職的食品技師 |
| transcript.whisperx[9604].start |
25870.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9604].end |
25872.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9604].text |
形成一個三方共同監督的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[9605].start |
25872.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9605].end |
25874.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9605].text |
才能真正的落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[9606].start |
25874.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9606].end |
25876.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9606].text |
這個食安網 |
| transcript.whisperx[9607].start |
25876.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9607].end |
25878.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9607].text |
所以如果今天我們食安法要修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9608].start |
25878.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9608].end |
25880.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9608].text |
是不是也包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[9609].start |
25880.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9609].end |
25882.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9609].text |
所謂的第三方檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[9610].start |
25883.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9610].end |
25885.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9610].text |
是不是可以更 |
| transcript.whisperx[9611].start |
25885.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9611].end |
25887.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9611].text |
可以來接有自詢食品技師 |
| transcript.whisperx[9612].start |
25887.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9612].end |
25889.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9612].text |
來做更勤力的合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[9613].start |
25891.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9613].end |
25893.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9613].text |
好 跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[9614].start |
25893.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9614].end |
25895.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9614].text |
其實我們現在一定規模以上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9615].start |
25895.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9615].end |
25897.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9615].text |
食品廠其實是有要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[9616].start |
25897.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9616].end |
25899.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9616].text |
要有食品技師啦 只是還沒有做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[9617].start |
25899.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9617].end |
25901.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9617].text |
委員剛剛提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9618].start |
25901.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9618].end |
25903.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9618].text |
有點像簽 |
| transcript.whisperx[9619].start |
25903.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9619].end |
25905.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9619].text |
獨立簽證的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[9620].start |
25905.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9620].end |
25907.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9620].text |
他要獨立負責簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[9621].start |
25907.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9621].end |
25909.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9621].text |
那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9622].start |
25909.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9622].end |
25911.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9622].text |
那就跟他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9623].start |
25911.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9623].end |
25913.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9623].text |
業主之間的關係 因為畢竟 |
| transcript.whisperx[9624].start |
25913.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9624].end |
25915.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9624].text |
現在是受聘 |
| transcript.whisperx[9625].start |
25915.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9625].end |
25917.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9625].text |
那如何讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[9626].start |
25917.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9626].end |
25919.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9626].text |
我們來研究他入法要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[9627].start |
25919.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9627].end |
25921.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9627].text |
一定要聘 但是他是獨立職業 |
| transcript.whisperx[9628].start |
25921.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9628].end |
25923.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9628].text |
駐場 |
| transcript.whisperx[9629].start |
25923.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9629].end |
25925.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9629].text |
用這個設計來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9630].start |
25925.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9630].end |
25927.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9630].text |
我們來這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9631].start |
25927.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9631].end |
25929.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9631].text |
研究一下看看未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9632].start |
25929.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9632].end |
25931.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9632].text |
我的想法比較是朝向第三方的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9633].start |
25932.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9633].end |
25934.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9633].text |
這個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[9634].start |
25934.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9634].end |
25936.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9634].text |
第三方驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[9635].start |
25936.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9635].end |
25938.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9635].text |
現在也是有這個設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[9636].start |
25938.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9636].end |
25940.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9636].text |
只是把第三方 |
| transcript.whisperx[9637].start |
25940.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9637].end |
25942.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9637].text |
驗證單位納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[9638].start |
25942.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9638].end |
25944.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9638].text |
一定要 |
| transcript.whisperx[9639].start |
25944.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9639].end |
25946.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9639].text |
有食品技師去 |
| transcript.whisperx[9640].start |
25946.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9640].end |
25948.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9640].text |
執行他的第三方驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[9641].start |
25948.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9641].end |
25950.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9641].text |
因為其實這個他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9642].start |
25950.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9642].end |
25952.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9642].text |
專業在 所以現在雖然 |
| transcript.whisperx[9643].start |
25952.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9643].end |
25954.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9643].text |
有第三方驗證單位去驗證他 |
| transcript.whisperx[9644].start |
25954.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9644].end |
25956.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9644].text |
應該多數也會找 |
| transcript.whisperx[9645].start |
25956.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9645].end |
25958.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9645].text |
食品醫師來做 只是我們現在沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9646].start |
25958.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9646].end |
25960.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9646].text |
強制啦 那未來我們來看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[9647].start |
25960.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9647].end |
25962.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9647].text |
在第三方驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[9648].start |
25962.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9648].end |
25964.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9648].text |
因為我們現在修法是第三方 |
| transcript.whisperx[9649].start |
25964.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9649].end |
25966.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9649].text |
驗證的單位也要經過主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[9650].start |
25966.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9650].end |
25968.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9650].text |
機關的認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[9651].start |
25968.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9651].end |
25970.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9651].text |
才能去做驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[9652].start |
25970.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9652].end |
25972.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9652].text |
然後我們在認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[9653].start |
25972.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9653].end |
25974.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9653].text |
的辦法上面去把 |
| transcript.whisperx[9654].start |
25974.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9654].end |
25976.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9654].text |
食品技師或者是公衛師 |
| transcript.whisperx[9655].start |
25976.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9655].end |
25978.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9655].text |
受一定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9656].start |
25978.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9656].end |
25980.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9656].text |
食品相關訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[9657].start |
25980.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9657].end |
25982.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9657].text |
讓他強制的進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[9658].start |
25982.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9658].end |
25984.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9658].text |
這個辦法認證裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[9659].start |
25984.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9659].end |
25986.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9659].text |
認證辦法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[9660].start |
25986.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9660].end |
25988.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9660].text |
我是覺得這第三方的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9661].start |
25988.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9661].end |
25990.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9661].text |
一個檢驗的制度基本上如果可以確立 |
| transcript.whisperx[9662].start |
25990.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9662].end |
25992.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[9662].text |
而且可以去落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[9663].start |
25993.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9663].end |
25995.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9663].text |
我覺得對台灣的食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[9664].start |
25995.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9664].end |
25997.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9664].text |
會大大提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[9665].start |
25997.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9665].end |
25999.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9665].text |
因為所謂的第三方 |
| transcript.whisperx[9666].start |
25999.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9666].end |
26001.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9666].text |
的這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9667].start |
26001.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9667].end |
26003.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9667].text |
包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[9668].start |
26003.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9668].end |
26005.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9668].text |
在日本有很多的像 |
| transcript.whisperx[9669].start |
26005.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9669].end |
26007.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9669].text |
社福的機構基本上他們是第三方評價 |
| transcript.whisperx[9670].start |
26007.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9670].end |
26009.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9670].text |
對不對 然後如果在食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[9671].start |
26009.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9671].end |
26011.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9671].text |
安全部可以有第三方的這樣一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9672].start |
26011.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9672].end |
26013.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9672].text |
檢驗的制度 我覺得對台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9673].start |
26013.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9673].end |
26015.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9673].text |
整體而言的食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[9674].start |
26017.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9674].end |
26019.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9674].text |
應該會 |
| transcript.whisperx[9675].start |
26018.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9675].end |
26020.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9675].text |
會有顯著的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9676].start |
26020.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9676].end |
26022.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9676].text |
更好的這樣的一個效益存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[9677].start |
26022.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9677].end |
26024.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9677].text |
能不能朝這個方向來思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[9678].start |
26024.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9678].end |
26026.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9678].text |
這個委員給我們一個很好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9679].start |
26026.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9679].end |
26028.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9679].text |
這個方向 因為我們現在正在強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[9680].start |
26028.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9680].end |
26030.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9680].text |
第三方認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[9681].start |
26030.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9681].end |
26032.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9681].text |
它的這個強度跟授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[9682].start |
26032.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9682].end |
26034.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9682].text |
那把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9683].start |
26034.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9683].end |
26036.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9683].text |
專業人員把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[9684].start |
26036.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9684].end |
26038.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9684].text |
導入 強制這個要去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[9685].start |
26038.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9685].end |
26040.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9685].text |
這一個認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[9686].start |
26040.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9686].end |
26042.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9686].text |
第三方認證的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[9687].start |
26042.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9687].end |
26044.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9687].text |
需要有這樣的人力 專業人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[9688].start |
26044.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9688].end |
26046.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9688].text |
我們可以把它納入這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9689].start |
26046.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9689].end |
26048.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9689].text |
辦法裡面來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9690].start |
26048.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9690].end |
26050.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[9690].text |
謝謝部長 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[9691].start |
26051.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9691].end |
26053.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9691].text |
謝謝劉建國的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[9692].start |
26053.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9692].end |
26055.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9692].text |
接下來請黃毓祥委員資詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9693].start |
26064.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9693].end |
26066.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9693].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[9694].start |
26066.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9694].end |
26068.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9694].text |
有請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[9695].start |
26071.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[9695].end |
26073.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[9695].text |
好 後面也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9696].start |
26073.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9696].end |
26075.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9696].text |
看一下 我想今天跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[9697].start |
26075.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9697].end |
26077.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9697].text |
委員們都討了很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[9698].start |
26077.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9698].end |
26079.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9698].text |
那部長也很辛苦 今天一整天 |
| transcript.whisperx[9699].start |
26079.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9699].end |
26081.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9699].text |
我今天要跟你談的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9700].start |
26081.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9700].end |
26083.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9700].text |
整個我們在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9701].start |
26083.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9701].end |
26085.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9701].text |
石安雲這邊的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9702].start |
26085.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9702].end |
26087.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9702].text |
建置 到底在這一次裡頭的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9703].start |
26087.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9703].end |
26089.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9703].text |
有沒有發揮一些效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[9704].start |
26089.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9704].end |
26091.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9704].text |
所以我想要先請教一下部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[9705].start |
26091.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9705].end |
26093.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9705].text |
目前如果按照你們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9706].start |
26093.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9706].end |
26095.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9706].text |
這些的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[9707].start |
26095.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9707].end |
26097.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9707].text |
來看的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[9708].start |
26097.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9708].end |
26099.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9708].text |
來看的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[9709].start |
26099.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9709].end |
26101.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9709].text |
來看的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[9710].start |
26101.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9710].end |
26103.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9710].text |
讓我直接看這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9711].start |
26103.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9711].end |
26105.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9711].text |
現在我根據你們的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[9712].start |
26105.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9712].end |
26107.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9712].text |
因為我這個資料是之前比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[9713].start |
26107.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9713].end |
26109.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9713].text |
舊的這個資料 現在目前的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9714].start |
26109.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9714].end |
26111.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9714].text |
我們總共下架應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9715].start |
26113.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9715].end |
26115.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9715].text |
應該是2.89萬還是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[9716].start |
26115.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9716].end |
26117.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9716].text |
數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[9717].start |
26117.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9717].end |
26119.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9717].text |
數字喔 就是那7P的話是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9718].start |
26123.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9718].end |
26125.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9718].text |
應該是310B次吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[9719].start |
26125.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9719].end |
26127.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9719].text |
2700多噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[9720].start |
26127.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9720].end |
26129.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9720].text |
2700多噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[9721].start |
26129.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9721].end |
26131.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9721].text |
不過這個是7P |
| transcript.whisperx[9722].start |
26131.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9722].end |
26133.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9722].text |
委員這個可能是第一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[9723].start |
26133.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9723].end |
26135.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9723].text |
應該是在第一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[9724].start |
26135.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9724].end |
26137.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9724].text |
所以總共 我記得 |
| transcript.whisperx[9725].start |
26137.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9725].end |
26139.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9725].text |
我根據你們的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[9726].start |
26139.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9726].end |
26141.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9726].text |
因為你們的報告來講就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9727].start |
26141.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9727].end |
26143.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9727].text |
這個最新的一個數據來看的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9728].start |
26143.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9728].end |
26145.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9728].text |
應該總共一開始的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9729].start |
26145.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9729].end |
26147.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9729].text |
30個P次 |
| transcript.whisperx[9730].start |
26147.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9730].end |
26149.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9730].text |
它生產的量大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[9731].start |
26149.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9731].end |
26151.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9731].text |
加起來應該是差不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[9732].start |
26151.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9732].end |
26153.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9732].text |
2.89萬公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[9733].start |
26153.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9733].end |
26155.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9733].text |
然後再來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9734].start |
26155.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9734].end |
26157.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9734].text |
是說到了你們的報告的第三頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[9735].start |
26157.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9735].end |
26159.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9735].text |
第三頁這邊7P |
| transcript.whisperx[9736].start |
26159.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9736].end |
26161.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9736].text |
在下架回收那裡的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9737].start |
26161.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9737].end |
26163.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9737].text |
7P就是2771 |
| transcript.whisperx[9738].start |
26163.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9738].end |
26165.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9738].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9739].start |
26165.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9739].end |
26167.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9739].text |
2.2公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[9740].start |
26167.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9740].end |
26169.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9740].text |
然後預防性下架是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9741].start |
26169.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9741].end |
26171.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9741].text |
5314 現在這個預防性下架這邊的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9742].start |
26171.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9742].end |
26173.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9742].text |
它是回收嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9743].start |
26173.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9743].end |
26175.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9743].text |
還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9744].start |
26177.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9744].end |
26179.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9744].text |
預防性下架這個製作會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9745].start |
26179.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9745].end |
26181.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9745].text |
我們應該是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9746].start |
26181.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9746].end |
26183.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9746].text |
昨天因為我們已經把它明確區隔 |
| transcript.whisperx[9747].start |
26183.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9747].end |
26185.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9747].text |
這7P就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9748].start |
26185.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9748].end |
26187.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9748].text |
強制性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[9749].start |
26187.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9749].end |
26189.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9749].text |
然後回收 消費 |
| transcript.whisperx[9750].start |
26189.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9750].end |
26191.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9750].text |
所以它就不會再有重新上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[9751].start |
26191.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9751].end |
26193.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9751].text |
那這個量我們目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[9752].start |
26193.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9752].end |
26195.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9752].text |
回收的是2794噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[9753].start |
26195.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9753].end |
26197.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9753].text |
那麼另外的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9754].start |
26197.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9754].end |
26199.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9754].text |
19P已經都 |
| transcript.whisperx[9755].start |
26199.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9755].end |
26201.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9755].text |
逐批檢驗合格過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9756].start |
26201.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9756].end |
26203.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9756].text |
所以你的報告第三頁的23P |
| transcript.whisperx[9757].start |
26203.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9757].end |
26205.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9757].text |
預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[9758].start |
26205.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9758].end |
26207.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9758].text |
是5314 |
| transcript.whisperx[9759].start |
26207.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9759].end |
26209.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9759].text |
那個是之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[9760].start |
26209.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9760].end |
26211.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9760].text |
預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[9761].start |
26211.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9761].end |
26213.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9761].text |
現在它這一個部分是可以上架的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9762].start |
26213.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9762].end |
26215.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9762].text |
我現在為什麼問這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[9763].start |
26215.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9763].end |
26217.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9763].text |
就是說 光我們委員或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9764].start |
26217.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9764].end |
26219.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9764].text |
這類媒體或是民眾在看這些數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[9765].start |
26219.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9765].end |
26221.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9765].text |
就是可能再請你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[9766].start |
26221.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9766].end |
26223.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9766].text |
整理得更清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[9767].start |
26223.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9767].end |
26225.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9767].text |
雖然每天都會更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[9768].start |
26225.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9768].end |
26227.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9768].text |
你看我要找老半天跟你對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9769].start |
26227.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9769].end |
26229.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9769].text |
那我相信一般民眾更辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9770].start |
26229.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9770].end |
26231.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9770].text |
我現在的問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9771].start |
26230.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9771].end |
26232.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9771].text |
在我們這一個食品雲這邊的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9772].start |
26232.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9772].end |
26234.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9772].text |
基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[9773].start |
26234.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9773].end |
26236.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9773].text |
這都是你們的官網 |
| transcript.whisperx[9774].start |
26236.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9774].end |
26238.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9774].text |
就是食安雲食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[9775].start |
26238.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9775].end |
26240.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9775].text |
總共這裡頭的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9776].start |
26240.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9776].end |
26242.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9776].text |
大概跨6個部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[9777].start |
26242.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9777].end |
26244.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9777].text |
大概19個系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[9778].start |
26244.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9778].end |
26246.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9778].text |
那當然在你們衛福部裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[9779].start |
26246.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9779].end |
26248.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9779].text |
會在間接外面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9780].start |
26248.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9780].end |
26250.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9780].text |
那主要我們看衛福部食藥署這邊的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9781].start |
26250.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9781].end |
26252.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9781].text |
那它會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9782].start |
26252.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9782].end |
26254.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9782].text |
非登不可非報非追非驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[9783].start |
26255.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9783].end |
26257.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9783].text |
非提 |
| transcript.whisperx[9784].start |
26256.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9784].end |
26258.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9784].text |
好 那請教各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[9785].start |
26258.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9785].end |
26260.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9785].text |
非登不可 |
| transcript.whisperx[9786].start |
26260.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9786].end |
26262.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9786].text |
我們這一次油紙油品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9787].start |
26262.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9787].end |
26264.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9787].text |
這幾家從中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[9788].start |
26264.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9788].end |
26266.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9788].text |
到第二層 |
| transcript.whisperx[9789].start |
26266.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9789].end |
26268.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9789].text |
甚至到下一層 |
| transcript.whisperx[9790].start |
26268.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9790].end |
26270.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9790].text |
這些食品加工製造等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[9791].start |
26271.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[9791].end |
26273.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[9791].text |
拜拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[9792].start |
26272.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9792].end |
26274.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9792].text |
跟委員說明確實在這一個事件之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[9793].start |
26274.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9793].end |
26276.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9793].text |
我們也在檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[9794].start |
26276.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9794].end |
26278.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9794].text |
這個食品雲應該要再精進 |
| transcript.whisperx[9795].start |
26278.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9795].end |
26280.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9795].text |
因為我們過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[9796].start |
26280.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9796].end |
26282.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9796].text |
不是我先不用精進 |
| transcript.whisperx[9797].start |
26282.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9797].end |
26284.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9797].text |
我先看說40 |
| transcript.whisperx[9798].start |
26284.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9798].end |
26286.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9798].text |
它現在有沒有燈 |
| transcript.whisperx[9799].start |
26286.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9799].end |
26288.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9799].text |
它有燈 |
| transcript.whisperx[9800].start |
26288.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9800].end |
26290.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9800].text |
它現況是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9801].start |
26290.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9801].end |
26292.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9801].text |
我們現在的規定值登到製造業 |
| transcript.whisperx[9802].start |
26292.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9802].end |
26294.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9802].text |
所以販售業沒有登 |
| transcript.whisperx[9803].start |
26294.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9803].end |
26296.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9803].text |
所以製造業在 |
| transcript.whisperx[9804].start |
26296.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9804].end |
26298.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9804].text |
中聯油紙有燈 |
| transcript.whisperx[9805].start |
26298.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9805].end |
26300.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9805].text |
然後下來的商家 |
| transcript.whisperx[9806].start |
26300.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9806].end |
26302.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9806].text |
都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9807].start |
26302.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9807].end |
26304.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9807].text |
然後它賣出去如果試到製造業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9808].start |
26304.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9808].end |
26306.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9808].text |
也都登了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9809].start |
26306.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9809].end |
26308.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9809].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9810].start |
26308.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9810].end |
26310.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9810].text |
連華也要登 |
| transcript.whisperx[9811].start |
26310.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9811].end |
26312.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9811].text |
它是製造業的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9812].start |
26312.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9812].end |
26314.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9812].text |
但是如果它賣到的譬如說是賣到 |
| transcript.whisperx[9813].start |
26314.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9813].end |
26316.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9813].text |
Costco |
| transcript.whisperx[9814].start |
26316.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9814].end |
26318.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9814].text |
這個就是它是屬於販售業 |
| transcript.whisperx[9815].start |
26318.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9815].end |
26320.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9815].text |
這個部分就沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9816].start |
26320.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9816].end |
26322.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9816].text |
跟經濟部再串一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[9817].start |
26322.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9817].end |
26324.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9817].text |
對 那就可能要去串 |
| transcript.whisperx[9818].start |
26324.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9818].end |
26326.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9818].text |
電子發票系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[9819].start |
26326.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9819].end |
26328.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9819].text |
財政部這邊可能會 |
| transcript.whisperx[9820].start |
26328.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9820].end |
26330.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9820].text |
比較容易掌握整個財產的流向 |
| transcript.whisperx[9821].start |
26330.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9821].end |
26332.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9821].text |
這是第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9822].start |
26332.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9822].end |
26334.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9822].text |
我先確認這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[9823].start |
26334.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[9823].end |
26336.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[9823].text |
非追不可 |
| transcript.whisperx[9824].start |
26336.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[9824].end |
26338.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[9824].text |
就是在追的時候應該是很容易就追得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[9825].start |
26340.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9825].end |
26342.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9825].text |
就是為什麼要拖那麼久 |
| transcript.whisperx[9826].start |
26342.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9826].end |
26344.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9826].text |
因為你登入進去的量 |
| transcript.whisperx[9827].start |
26344.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9827].end |
26346.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9827].text |
一定是P號P字對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9828].start |
26346.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9828].end |
26348.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9828].text |
我申查多少工對嘛等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[9829].start |
26348.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9829].end |
26350.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9829].text |
所以這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[9830].start |
26349.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9830].end |
26351.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9830].text |
我現在看這些數據的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9831].start |
26351.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9831].end |
26353.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9831].text |
應該是從這些系統直接就撈出來就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9832].start |
26353.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9832].end |
26355.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9832].text |
可是我問到私下的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9833].start |
26355.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9833].end |
26357.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9833].text |
就是還在 |
| transcript.whisperx[9834].start |
26357.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9834].end |
26359.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9834].text |
然後還在給我人工 |
| transcript.whisperx[9835].start |
26359.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9835].end |
26361.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9835].text |
報登這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[9836].start |
26361.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9836].end |
26363.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9836].text |
應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9837].start |
26363.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9837].end |
26365.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9837].text |
就像剛才 |
| transcript.whisperx[9838].start |
26365.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9838].end |
26367.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9838].text |
部長說明提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9839].start |
26367.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9839].end |
26369.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9839].text |
因為是在製造業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9840].start |
26369.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9840].end |
26371.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9840].text |
販售業那一端之後的確 |
| transcript.whisperx[9841].start |
26371.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9841].end |
26373.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9841].text |
是我們在這一次的修法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[9842].start |
26373.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9842].end |
26375.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9842].text |
那前面的也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9843].start |
26375.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9843].end |
26377.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9843].text |
所以我是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9844].start |
26377.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9844].end |
26379.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9844].text |
因為你系統都建了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9845].start |
26379.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9845].end |
26381.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9845].text |
系統都建的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[9846].start |
26381.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9846].end |
26383.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9846].text |
你花很多錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9847].start |
26383.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9847].end |
26385.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9847].text |
我的意思是說這花很多錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9848].start |
26385.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9848].end |
26387.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9848].text |
這個還是實品2.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[9849].start |
26387.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9849].end |
26389.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9849].text |
109年到112 |
| transcript.whisperx[9850].start |
26389.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9850].end |
26391.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9850].text |
這個是大概這還是小錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9851].start |
26391.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9851].end |
26393.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9851].text |
他之前的第一代的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9852].start |
26393.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9852].end |
26395.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9852].text |
從105到108是更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[9853].start |
26395.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9853].end |
26397.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[9853].text |
那食安科技的話8509 |
| transcript.whisperx[9854].start |
26399.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9854].end |
26401.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9854].text |
食安心計畫應該是4年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9855].start |
26401.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9855].end |
26403.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9855].text |
中長程計畫是18.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[9856].start |
26403.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9856].end |
26405.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9856].text |
去年是編了3.2億 |
| transcript.whisperx[9857].start |
26405.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9857].end |
26407.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9857].text |
然後呢所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[9858].start |
26407.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9858].end |
26409.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9858].text |
這一塊地方的話我就覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[9859].start |
26409.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9859].end |
26411.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9859].text |
很奇怪以我做資訊系統的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9860].start |
26411.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9860].end |
26413.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9860].text |
角度來看這種事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[9861].start |
26413.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9861].end |
26415.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9861].text |
應該是20分鐘30分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[9862].start |
26415.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9862].end |
26417.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9862].text |
最慢讓你1小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[9863].start |
26417.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9863].end |
26419.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9863].text |
就可以做所有的數據都知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9864].start |
26421.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9864].end |
26423.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9864].text |
我為什麼敢這麼說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9865].start |
26424.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9865].end |
26426.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9865].text |
團善於的在最早 |
| transcript.whisperx[9866].start |
26426.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9866].end |
26428.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9866].text |
是我那時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9867].start |
26428.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9867].end |
26430.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9867].text |
帶領團隊跟團隊一起建 |
| transcript.whisperx[9868].start |
26431.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9868].end |
26433.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9868].text |
所以那個叫校園食材登入的系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[9869].start |
26434.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9869].end |
26436.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9869].text |
主要的話他只要是食材有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9870].start |
26436.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9870].end |
26438.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9870].text |
所有的團善餐廳業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9871].start |
26438.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9871].end |
26440.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9871].text |
哪些學校會用到全部都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[9872].start |
26440.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9872].end |
26442.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9872].text |
所以你可以去看教育部的這個 |
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26442.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9873].end |
26444.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9873].text |
報告他其實就很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[9874].start |
26444.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9874].end |
26446.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9874].text |
以前要追一個禮拜追不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9875].start |
26446.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9875].end |
26448.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9875].text |
追兩個禮拜追不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9876].start |
26448.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9876].end |
26450.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9876].text |
現在是20分鐘30分鐘以內 |
| transcript.whisperx[9877].start |
26450.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9877].end |
26452.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9877].text |
就追出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9878].start |
26452.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9878].end |
26454.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9878].text |
所以我覺得這一塊地方是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9879].start |
26455.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9879].end |
26457.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9879].text |
要去好好地檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[9880].start |
26458.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9880].end |
26460.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9880].text |
然後你們會寫一堆喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[9881].start |
26460.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[9881].end |
26462.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[9881].text |
寫一堆非常偉大的KPI |
| transcript.whisperx[9882].start |
26462.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[9882].end |
26464.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[9882].text |
這個我就算了因為時間的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9883].start |
26464.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[9883].end |
26466.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[9883].text |
所以基本上你的追溯就有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9884].start |
26468.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9884].end |
26470.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9884].text |
因為你沒有系統的幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[9885].start |
26470.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9885].end |
26472.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9885].text |
或是系統是建在那邊當好看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9886].start |
26472.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9886].end |
26474.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9886].text |
花拳繡腿 |
| transcript.whisperx[9887].start |
26474.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9887].end |
26476.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9887].text |
然後呢你在看的話就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9888].start |
26476.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9888].end |
26478.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9888].text |
你們也給我寫很多啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[9889].start |
26478.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9889].end |
26480.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9889].text |
這KPI寫得很漂亮喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[9890].start |
26481.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9890].end |
26485.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9890].text |
官方宣稱建立594種風險組合模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[9891].start |
26485.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9891].end |
26488.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9891].text |
還跟我說有優先稽查業者名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[9892].start |
26488.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9892].end |
26492.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9892].text |
然後呢每年KPI百分之百都達標 |
| transcript.whisperx[9893].start |
26492.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9893].end |
26495.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9893].text |
在你們的這個KPI |
| transcript.whisperx[9894].start |
26495.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9894].end |
26497.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9894].text |
我也把你們的這些之前過去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9895].start |
26497.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9895].end |
26499.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9895].text |
這些的報告官方就拿起來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[9896].start |
26500.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[9896].end |
26502.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[9896].text |
就讓我覺得非常的ridiculous |
| transcript.whisperx[9897].start |
26506.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9897].end |
26508.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9897].text |
好那為什麼這麼說呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9898].start |
26508.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9898].end |
26510.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9898].text |
因為呢你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9899].start |
26510.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9899].end |
26512.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9899].text |
我覺得這個資訊系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[9900].start |
26512.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9900].end |
26514.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9900].text |
我們是很早就花了錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9901].start |
26514.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9901].end |
26516.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9901].text |
而且有品是我們第一個列入的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[9902].start |
26517.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[9902].end |
26519.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[9902].text |
我這個要讓部長知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[9903].start |
26519.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[9903].end |
26521.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[9903].text |
有品是因為那時候最早對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9904].start |
26521.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[9904].end |
26523.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[9904].text |
第一批點心獨有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9905].start |
26523.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[9905].end |
26525.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[9905].text |
甚至包含同業數的那個時候的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[9906].start |
26525.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[9906].end |
26527.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[9906].text |
所以那時候我們在做這件事情的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9907].start |
26527.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[9907].end |
26529.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[9907].text |
全部都是被要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[9908].start |
26528.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[9908].end |
26530.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[9908].text |
有品直接列入第一優先 |
| transcript.whisperx[9909].start |
26531.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[9909].end |
26533.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[9909].text |
可是今天還發生這種事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[9910].start |
26533.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[9910].end |
26535.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[9910].text |
然後系統的這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9911].start |
26535.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[9911].end |
26537.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[9911].text |
我不要說事先查核啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9912].start |
26537.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[9912].end |
26539.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[9912].text |
我覺得你們有時候寫的KPI是很劃虎劃然 |
| transcript.whisperx[9913].start |
26541.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[9913].end |
26543.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[9913].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9914].start |
26542.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9914].end |
26544.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9914].text |
因為要怎麼去做預先風景 |
| transcript.whisperx[9915].start |
26544.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9915].end |
26546.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9915].text |
然後瘋狂寫了一堆就是為了AI去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[9916].start |
26546.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9916].end |
26547.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9916].text |
這我都不管 |
| transcript.whisperx[9917].start |
26547.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9917].end |
26549.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9917].text |
但我care的是非燈 |
| transcript.whisperx[9918].start |
26551.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[9918].end |
26553.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[9918].text |
那確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[9919].start |
26553.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9919].end |
26555.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9919].text |
然後非追嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9920].start |
26555.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9920].end |
26557.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9920].text |
你追溯一下啦應該是20分鐘30分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[9921].start |
26557.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9921].end |
26559.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9921].text |
就結束了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9922].start |
26560.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9922].end |
26562.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9922].text |
所以那時候我們在做團戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[9923].start |
26562.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9923].end |
26564.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9923].text |
整個這個東西是整個這樣下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9924].start |
26564.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9924].end |
26566.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9924].text |
從以前的兩三個月追不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9925].start |
26566.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9925].end |
26568.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9925].text |
兩個禮拜最後到現在是20分鐘30分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[9926].start |
26568.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9926].end |
26570.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9926].text |
那時候才有辦法再去接 |
| transcript.whisperx[9927].start |
26570.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9927].end |
26572.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9927].text |
回溯 |
| transcript.whisperx[9928].start |
26572.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9928].end |
26574.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9928].text |
就是我們農業部那個國產食材的三張EQ |
| transcript.whisperx[9929].start |
26574.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9929].end |
26576.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9929].text |
那時候花了很多功夫打到這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[9930].start |
26576.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9930].end |
26578.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9930].text |
我們那時候就想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9931].start |
26578.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9931].end |
26580.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9931].text |
既然已經有這個東西了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9932].start |
26580.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9932].end |
26582.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9932].text |
將來他做為你的這些不管食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[9933].start |
26582.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9933].end |
26584.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9933].text |
或者什麼仿效的核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[9934].start |
26584.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9934].end |
26586.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9934].text |
應該是可以弄得很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9935].start |
26586.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9935].end |
26588.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9935].text |
這個是我期待的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9936].start |
26588.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9936].end |
26590.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9936].text |
這多久了大概是108年 |
| transcript.whisperx[9937].start |
26590.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9937].end |
26592.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9937].text |
10幾年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9938].start |
26592.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9938].end |
26594.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[9938].text |
所以講的是我10年前 |
| transcript.whisperx[9939].start |
26597.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9939].end |
26599.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9939].text |
做的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[9940].start |
26599.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9940].end |
26601.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9940].text |
可是我今天還發生這個以身為一個資訊系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[9941].start |
26601.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9941].end |
26603.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9941].text |
看你們花這麼多錢的角度來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[9942].start |
26603.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9942].end |
26605.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[9942].text |
我是有點心痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9943].start |
26606.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9943].end |
26608.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9943].text |
不然我們這件事情是可以很快就釐清的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9944].start |
26608.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9944].end |
26610.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9944].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9945].start |
26610.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9945].end |
26612.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9945].text |
這個是我的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9946].start |
26612.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9946].end |
26614.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9946].text |
所以我希望以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[9947].start |
26614.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9947].end |
26616.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9947].text |
像我那時候在訂都是在訂這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[9948].start |
26617.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9948].end |
26619.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9948].text |
幾小時內掌握流向 |
| transcript.whisperx[9949].start |
26619.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9949].end |
26621.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9949].text |
幾小時內完成下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[9950].start |
26621.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9950].end |
26623.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9950].text |
你的生產頓速跟你消耗的頓速 |
| transcript.whisperx[9951].start |
26623.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9951].end |
26625.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9951].text |
那到底有沒有對得起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9952].start |
26625.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9952].end |
26627.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9952].text |
全部都可以集合的出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9953].start |
26627.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9953].end |
26629.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9953].text |
至於說你會用AI |
| transcript.whisperx[9954].start |
26629.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9954].end |
26631.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9954].text |
怎麼樣去大風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[9955].start |
26631.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9955].end |
26633.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9955].text |
我覺得那個可能在這種事件還另當別論 |
| transcript.whisperx[9956].start |
26633.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9956].end |
26635.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9956].text |
那我也支持你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[9957].start |
26635.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9957].end |
26637.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9957].text |
未來第三方或是自己的檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[9958].start |
26637.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9958].end |
26639.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9958].text |
他所有都要上網 |
| transcript.whisperx[9959].start |
26639.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9959].end |
26641.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9959].text |
而且你要求他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[9960].start |
26641.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9960].end |
26643.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9960].text |
不要每個這些廠商都是用這個什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[9961].start |
26643.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9961].end |
26645.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9961].text |
都是用人工這樣把你登錄上海 |
| transcript.whisperx[9962].start |
26645.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9962].end |
26647.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9962].text |
他是直接透過他的檢驗系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[9963].start |
26647.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9963].end |
26649.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9963].text |
系統對系統對接 |
| transcript.whisperx[9964].start |
26649.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9964].end |
26651.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9964].text |
API開放給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[9965].start |
26651.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9965].end |
26653.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9965].text |
就上來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9966].start |
26653.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9966].end |
26655.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9966].text |
甚至他的ERP MRP的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[9967].start |
26655.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9967].end |
26657.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9967].text |
直接上來也行 |
| transcript.whisperx[9968].start |
26657.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9968].end |
26659.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9968].text |
要確實執行力 |
| transcript.whisperx[9969].start |
26659.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9969].end |
26661.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9969].text |
不然我就會覺得你會變成這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[9970].start |
26663.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[9970].end |
26665.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[9970].text |
最後啦這個是我宇宙行長寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9971].start |
26666.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[9971].end |
26668.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[9971].text |
所以你的食安飲是變事後飲 |
| transcript.whisperx[9972].start |
26668.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[9972].end |
26670.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[9972].text |
我們的人工智慧是變工人智慧 |
| transcript.whisperx[9973].start |
26672.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[9973].end |
26674.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[9973].text |
人家是化腐朽為神奇 |
| transcript.whisperx[9974].start |
26674.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[9974].end |
26676.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[9974].text |
你是化神奇為腐朽 |
| transcript.whisperx[9975].start |
26677.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9975].end |
26679.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9975].text |
最後我們就會請石南安 |
| transcript.whisperx[9976].start |
26679.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9976].end |
26681.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9976].text |
我會把那個石換成你的姓 |
| transcript.whisperx[9977].start |
26681.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9977].end |
26683.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9977].text |
給你一個建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[9978].start |
26683.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9978].end |
26685.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9978].text |
我們就要好好去把系統做改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[9979].start |
26685.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9979].end |
26687.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9979].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9980].start |
26687.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9980].end |
26689.33 |
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如果有什麼可以幫忙的就跟我們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9981].start |
26689.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9981].end |
26691.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9981].text |
我們科技界都非常願意幫忙這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[9982].start |
26691.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9982].end |
26693.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9982].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[9983].start |
26693.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9983].end |
26695.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9983].text |
當然我們未來這個剛剛跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[9984].start |
26695.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9984].end |
26697.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9984].text |
這幾年的食安飲他在 |
| transcript.whisperx[9985].start |
26697.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9985].end |
26699.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9985].text |
擴大他的品相 |
| transcript.whisperx[9986].start |
26699.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9986].end |
26701.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9986].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9987].start |
26700.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[9987].end |
26702.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[9987].text |
還是停留在製造業 |
| transcript.whisperx[9988].start |
26703.45 |
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26705.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9988].text |
沒有再往下 |
| transcript.whisperx[9989].start |
26705.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9989].end |
26707.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9989].text |
他是從原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[9990].start |
26707.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9990].end |
26709.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9990].text |
原頭入關 |
| transcript.whisperx[9991].start |
26709.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9991].end |
26711.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9991].text |
原料的提供一直到 |
| transcript.whisperx[9992].start |
26711.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9992].end |
26713.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9992].text |
製造業還沒有再往下的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9993].start |
26713.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9993].end |
26715.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9993].text |
販售業 |
| transcript.whisperx[9994].start |
26715.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9994].end |
26717.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9994].text |
所以我們第一刻能夠掌握的量 |
| transcript.whisperx[9995].start |
26717.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9995].end |
26719.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9995].text |
到製造業都沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9996].start |
26719.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9996].end |
26721.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9996].text |
我覺得還不是到販售都沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9997].start |
26721.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9997].end |
26723.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9997].text |
因為我是覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9998].start |
26723.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9998].end |
26725.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9998].text |
如果你是有像這個4月4號品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[9999].start |
26725.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9999].end |
26727.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9999].text |
到你真的發生的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[10000].start |
26727.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10000].end |
26729.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10000].text |
其實他不是要用天算的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10001].start |
26729.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10001].end |
26731.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10001].text |
他應該是幾小時就弄完了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10002].start |
26731.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10002].end |
26733.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10002].text |
我們假設先不管製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[10003].start |
26733.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10003].end |
26735.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10003].text |
就是從你的上游到下游 |
| transcript.whisperx[10004].start |
26735.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10004].end |
26737.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10004].text |
多少批次多少量往哪邊出去的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[10005].start |
26737.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10005].end |
26739.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10005].text |
你應該是幾小時就做完了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10006].start |
26740.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10006].end |
26742.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10006].text |
這個是我concern的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10007].start |
26742.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10007].end |
26744.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10007].text |
這樣可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10008].start |
26744.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10008].end |
26746.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10008].text |
我們以這個為目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[10009].start |
26746.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10009].end |
26748.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10009].text |
雖然你們號稱都做很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[10010].start |
26748.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10010].end |
26750.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10010].text |
但我覺得就執行力的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[10011].start |
26750.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10011].end |
26752.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10011].text |
確實好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[10012].start |
26752.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10012].end |
26754.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10012].text |
接下來就是那個檢驗系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[10013].start |
26754.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10013].end |
26756.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10013].text |
如果直接借接上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[10014].start |
26756.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10014].end |
26758.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10014].text |
這樣會更確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[10015].start |
26758.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10015].end |
26760.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10015].text |
才不會作假 |
| transcript.whisperx[10016].start |
26760.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10016].end |
26762.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10016].text |
這個才能夠更即時 |
| transcript.whisperx[10017].start |
26762.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10017].end |
26764.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10017].text |
這個我們會往這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[10018].start |
26764.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10018].end |
26766.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10018].text |
就是你寫的都很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[10019].start |
26766.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10019].end |
26768.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10019].text |
非登不可非追不可 |
| transcript.whisperx[10020].start |
26768.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10020].end |
26770.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10020].text |
但是就是有沒有登 |
| transcript.whisperx[10021].start |
26770.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10021].end |
26774.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10021].text |
你沒有登就不會追得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[10022].start |
26774.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10022].end |
26776.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10022].text |
你的回溯勾機 |
| transcript.whisperx[10023].start |
26776.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10023].end |
26778.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10023].text |
這些才有辦法出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[10024].start |
26778.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10024].end |
26780.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10024].text |
羽衆心腸 |
| transcript.whisperx[10025].start |
26780.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10025].end |
26782.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10025].text |
我們科技界都願意幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[10026].start |
26782.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10026].end |
26784.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10026].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10027].start |
26784.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10027].end |
26786.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10027].text |
謝謝孔育小維的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[10028].start |
26788.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10028].end |
26790.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10028].text |
現在請羅志強委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[10029].start |
26799.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10029].end |
26801.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10029].text |
主席有請次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[10030].start |
26801.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10030].end |
26803.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10030].text |
有請司成良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[10031].start |
26807.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10031].end |
26809.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10031].text |
各位委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[10032].start |
26809.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10032].end |
26811.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10032].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[10033].start |
26812.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10033].end |
26814.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10033].text |
本篇批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[10034].start |
26814.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10034].end |
26816.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10034].text |
一級致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[10035].start |
26816.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10035].end |
26818.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10035].text |
人民天天吃下肚 |
| transcript.whisperx[10036].start |
26817.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10036].end |
26819.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10036].text |
我想請教部長覺得人民擔不擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[10037].start |
26820.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10037].end |
26822.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10037].text |
這個對這些致癌當然大家都擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[10038].start |
26822.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10038].end |
26824.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10038].text |
身為父母擔不擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[10039].start |
26825.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10039].end |
26827.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10039].text |
當然都擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[10040].start |
26827.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10040].end |
26829.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10040].text |
我告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[10041].start |
26829.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10041].end |
26831.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10041].text |
我們的官員發明了三金句 |
| transcript.whisperx[10042].start |
26831.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10042].end |
26833.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10042].text |
真的每天吃飯前 |
| transcript.whisperx[10043].start |
26833.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10043].end |
26835.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10043].text |
默念這三金句 |
| transcript.whisperx[10044].start |
26835.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10044].end |
26837.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10044].text |
就不用擔心了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10045].start |
26837.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10045].end |
26839.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10045].text |
擔心都是多餘的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10046].start |
26842.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10046].end |
26844.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10046].text |
吃飯前默念官員三金句 |
| transcript.whisperx[10047].start |
26844.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10047].end |
26846.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10047].text |
保證百毒不侵 |
| transcript.whisperx[10048].start |
26846.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10048].end |
26848.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10048].text |
你知道哪三個金句嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10049].start |
26849.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10049].end |
26851.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10049].text |
這個我只要告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[10050].start |
26852.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10050].end |
26854.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10050].text |
沒人逼你吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[10051].start |
26854.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10051].end |
26856.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10051].text |
別吃炸雞排 |
| transcript.whisperx[10052].start |
26856.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10052].end |
26858.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10052].text |
多喝水沒事 |
| transcript.whisperx[10053].start |
26859.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[10053].end |
26861.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[10053].text |
聽過這三句吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[10054].start |
26861.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10054].end |
26863.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10054].text |
沒聽過也看過新聞吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[10055].start |
26863.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10055].end |
26865.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10055].text |
對新聞上有 |
| transcript.whisperx[10056].start |
26866.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10056].end |
26868.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10056].text |
部長當然這三金句都不是出自你口啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10057].start |
26870.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10057].end |
26872.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10057].text |
可是你覺得聽在人民的耳中 |
| transcript.whisperx[10058].start |
26872.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10058].end |
26874.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10058].text |
聽這三句金句 |
| transcript.whisperx[10059].start |
26876.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10059].end |
26878.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10059].text |
你覺得聽得進去嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10060].start |
26878.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10060].end |
26880.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10060].text |
聽得下去嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10061].start |
26878.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10061].end |
26880.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10061].text |
是不是吃飯前 |
| transcript.whisperx[10062].start |
26880.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10062].end |
26882.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10062].text |
默念這三金句 |
| transcript.whisperx[10063].start |
26882.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10063].end |
26884.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10063].text |
我們就不用害怕本便宜啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10064].start |
26884.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10064].end |
26886.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10064].text |
吃太多也不用怕啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10065].start |
26886.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10065].end |
26890.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10065].text |
念完這三金句毒品油的事情就解決了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10066].start |
26891.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10066].end |
26893.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10066].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[10067].start |
26892.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10067].end |
26894.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10067].text |
油品的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[10068].start |
26894.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10068].end |
26896.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10068].text |
食安都是我們的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[10069].start |
26896.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10069].end |
26898.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10069].text |
我們都要去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[10070].start |
26898.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10070].end |
26900.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10070].text |
面對這樣的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[10071].start |
26900.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10071].end |
26902.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10071].text |
我直接跟部長說啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10072].start |
26903.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10072].end |
26905.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10072].text |
面對毒油風暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[10073].start |
26905.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10073].end |
26907.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10073].text |
最不需要就是幹話 |
| transcript.whisperx[10074].start |
26909.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[10074].end |
26911.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[10074].text |
最不需要就是幹話 |
| transcript.whisperx[10075].start |
26911.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10075].end |
26913.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10075].text |
其中一個幹話是你們次長講 |
| transcript.whisperx[10076].start |
26914.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10076].end |
26916.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10076].text |
好接下來請教您 |
| transcript.whisperx[10077].start |
26918.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10077].end |
26924.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10077].text |
衛福部宣布中聯今年4月到6月生產的30批大豆沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[10078].start |
26924.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10078].end |
26926.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10078].text |
有19批 |
| transcript.whisperx[10079].start |
26926.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10079].end |
26930.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10079].text |
你們確認符合食品安全標準要重新上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[10080].start |
26930.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10080].end |
26932.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10080].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[10081].start |
26932.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10081].end |
26934.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10081].text |
這是誰的決策是卓文泰院長拍板的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10082].start |
26934.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10082].end |
26938.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10082].text |
沒有這個在我們宣布預防性下架的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[10083].start |
26938.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10083].end |
26942.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10083].text |
那麼因為當時候中聯的資料有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[10084].start |
26942.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10084].end |
26946.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10084].text |
所以我們為了趕快讓這個民眾能夠安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[10085].start |
26946.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10085].end |
26948.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10085].text |
所以我們在7月9號就宣布 |
| transcript.whisperx[10086].start |
26949.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10086].end |
26951.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10086].text |
4到6月先預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[10087].start |
26951.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10087].end |
26953.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10087].text |
那等我們驗完之後如果合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10088].start |
26953.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10088].end |
26955.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10088].text |
再來重新上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[10089].start |
26955.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10089].end |
26957.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10089].text |
所以我們後來也按照我們當時候的這個 |
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26957.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10090].end |
26959.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10090].text |
因為他們是合格的產品 |
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26959.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10091].end |
26961.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10091].text |
當時候是因為沒有辦法確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[10092].start |
26961.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10092].end |
26963.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10092].text |
因為中聯的sample |
| transcript.whisperx[10093].start |
26963.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10093].end |
26965.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10093].text |
他的樣本我們驗起來都合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[10094].start |
26965.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10094].end |
26967.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10094].text |
可是下游驗出來竟然出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[10095].start |
26967.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10095].end |
26969.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10095].text |
下游驗出來竟然出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[10096].start |
26970.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10096].end |
26972.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10096].text |
資料不對接 |
| transcript.whisperx[10097].start |
26972.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10097].end |
26974.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10097].text |
所以我們才會擴大到4到6月 |
| transcript.whisperx[10098].start |
26974.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10098].end |
26976.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10098].text |
所以我們才叫做預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[10099].start |
26976.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10099].end |
26978.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10099].text |
你剛剛這個說法你這一整天都在說 |
| transcript.whisperx[10100].start |
26978.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10100].end |
26980.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10100].text |
我有聽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[10101].start |
26980.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10101].end |
26982.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10101].text |
我想請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[10102].start |
26982.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10102].end |
26984.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10102].text |
毒油發生的原因現在離清了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10103].start |
26984.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10103].end |
26986.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10103].text |
完全離清了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10104].start |
26986.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10104].end |
26988.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10104].text |
我們昨天的專家進入到 |
| transcript.whisperx[10105].start |
26988.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10105].end |
26990.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10105].text |
最後的確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[10106].start |
26990.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10106].end |
26992.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10106].text |
還沒離清 |
| transcript.whisperx[10107].start |
26992.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10107].end |
26994.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10107].text |
已經離清了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10108].start |
26994.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10108].end |
26996.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10108].text |
現在我們大概這個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[10109].start |
26996.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10109].end |
26998.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10109].text |
報告正式報告就會出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[10110].start |
26998.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10110].end |
27000.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10110].text |
禮拜正式報告出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[10111].start |
27000.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10111].end |
27002.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10111].text |
報告出來跟大家國人報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[10112].start |
27002.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10112].end |
27004.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10112].text |
我要告訴我們部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[10113].start |
27005.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10113].end |
27007.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10113].text |
我想要請教你為什麼不等報告出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[10114].start |
27007.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10114].end |
27009.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10114].text |
你再開始取信於民 |
| transcript.whisperx[10115].start |
27010.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10115].end |
27014.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10115].text |
然後你再開始進行所謂的重新上架的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10116].start |
27014.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10116].end |
27016.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10116].text |
我想問一下這段話誰說的你記不記得 |
| transcript.whisperx[10117].start |
27016.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10117].end |
27018.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10117].text |
你知不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[10118].start |
27018.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10118].end |
27020.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10118].text |
要了解批號所有狀況資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10119].start |
27020.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10119].end |
27022.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10119].text |
真相清楚才準上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[10120].start |
27022.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10120].end |
27024.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10120].text |
最後誰說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10121].start |
27024.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10121].end |
27026.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10121].text |
這個批號我們完全都掌握清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10122].start |
27026.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10122].end |
27028.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10122].text |
你跟我講這個禮拜報告才會出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[10123].start |
27028.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10123].end |
27030.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10123].text |
出來的沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[10124].start |
27030.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10124].end |
27032.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10124].text |
不過這個每一個批次我們都 |
| transcript.whisperx[10125].start |
27032.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10125].end |
27034.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10125].text |
我講的不是你講這19個 |
| transcript.whisperx[10126].start |
27034.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10126].end |
27036.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10126].text |
我講的是整件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[10127].start |
27036.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10127].end |
27038.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10127].text |
你要告訴我所以真相已經完全離清了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10128].start |
27038.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10128].end |
27040.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10128].text |
問題有的到底是來源在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[10129].start |
27041.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10129].end |
27043.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10129].text |
流向在哪裡全部都清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10130].start |
27043.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10130].end |
27045.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10130].text |
是嗎這個意思嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10131].start |
27045.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10131].end |
27047.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10131].text |
多少吃進國人肚子裡都清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10132].start |
27047.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10132].end |
27049.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10132].text |
是這個意思嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10133].start |
27049.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10133].end |
27051.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10133].text |
這個事件為什麼會產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[10134].start |
27051.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10134].end |
27053.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10134].text |
BAP偏高這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[10135].start |
27053.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10135].end |
27055.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10135].text |
請問你既然說真相都清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10136].start |
27055.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10136].end |
27057.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10136].text |
這個禮拜報告就能出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[10137].start |
27057.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10137].end |
27059.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10137].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[10138].start |
27059.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10138].end |
27061.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10138].text |
請問到底有百分之多 |
| transcript.whisperx[10139].start |
27061.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10139].end |
27063.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10139].text |
現在到底問題有多少你們掌握的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10140].start |
27064.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10140].end |
27066.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10140].text |
這個7批 |
| transcript.whisperx[10141].start |
27066.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10141].end |
27068.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10141].text |
這個7批的數量 |
| transcript.whisperx[10142].start |
27068.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10142].end |
27070.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10142].text |
我們是掌握了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10143].start |
27071.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10143].end |
27073.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10143].text |
8000多 |
| transcript.whisperx[10144].start |
27073.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10144].end |
27075.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10144].text |
8000多公盾 |
| transcript.whisperx[10145].start |
27075.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10145].end |
27077.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10145].text |
然後回收的目前是2700 |
| transcript.whisperx[10146].start |
27077.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10146].end |
27079.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10146].text |
我想請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[10147].start |
27079.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10147].end |
27081.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10147].text |
多少吃進人的肚子裡面了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10148].start |
27082.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10148].end |
27084.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10148].text |
百分之多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[10149].start |
27084.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10149].end |
27086.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10149].text |
因為以現在這樣的比例而言 |
| transcript.whisperx[10150].start |
27086.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10150].end |
27088.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10150].text |
大概是30%左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[10151].start |
27088.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10151].end |
27090.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10151].text |
但是其餘的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10152].start |
27090.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10152].end |
27092.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10152].text |
有些現在他已經丟棄了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10153].start |
27093.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10153].end |
27095.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10153].text |
就是30%左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[10154].start |
27095.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10154].end |
27097.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10154].text |
大概多少公盾吃進人的肚子裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[10155].start |
27097.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10155].end |
27099.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10155].text |
因為他是有的是以 |
| transcript.whisperx[10156].start |
27099.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10156].end |
27101.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10156].text |
這個油炸的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[10157].start |
27101.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10157].end |
27103.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10157].text |
油炸油的方式在使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[10158].start |
27103.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10158].end |
27105.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10158].text |
所以他會丟棄 |
| transcript.whisperx[10159].start |
27105.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10159].end |
27107.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10159].text |
你既然已經確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10160].start |
27107.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10160].end |
27109.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10160].text |
有多少公盾有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[10161].start |
27109.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10161].end |
27111.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10161].text |
你說30%吃進人的肚子裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[10162].start |
27111.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10162].end |
27113.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10162].text |
那不是就乘以30% |
| transcript.whisperx[10163].start |
27113.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10163].end |
27115.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10163].text |
你就可以算進多少公盾 |
| transcript.whisperx[10164].start |
27115.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10164].end |
27117.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10164].text |
因為他不是直接都是食用 |
| transcript.whisperx[10165].start |
27117.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10165].end |
27119.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10165].text |
因為他有的是會棄置 |
| transcript.whisperx[10166].start |
27119.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10166].end |
27121.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10166].text |
會變成廢棄物了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10167].start |
27121.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10167].end |
27123.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10167].text |
所以我們沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10168].start |
27123.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10168].end |
27125.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10168].text |
去算這個回收量 |
| transcript.whisperx[10169].start |
27125.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10169].end |
27127.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10169].text |
不咋 |
| transcript.whisperx[10170].start |
27129.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10170].end |
27131.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10170].text |
這些所謂的道 |
| transcript.whisperx[10171].start |
27131.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10171].end |
27133.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10171].text |
這個我們商家開始調理以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[10172].start |
27135.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10172].end |
27137.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10172].text |
就是提供人民吃了多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[10173].start |
27137.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10173].end |
27139.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10173].text |
你到現在答案是告訴你也不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[10174].start |
27140.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10174].end |
27142.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10174].text |
多少是棄置多少是進到人的肚子 |
| transcript.whisperx[10175].start |
27142.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10175].end |
27144.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10175].text |
你不知道嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[10176].start |
27144.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10176].end |
27146.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10176].text |
所以你不要拍胸部告訴我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[10177].start |
27146.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10177].end |
27148.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10177].text |
你所有的真相全部查清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10178].start |
27148.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10178].end |
27150.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10178].text |
那我再講上游你說查清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10179].start |
27150.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10179].end |
27152.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10179].text |
上游的源頭到底是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[10180].start |
27153.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10180].end |
27155.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10180].text |
就是他的我們從他的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[10181].start |
27155.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10181].end |
27157.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10181].text |
我們檢驗出的不合格的批次 |
| transcript.whisperx[10182].start |
27157.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10182].end |
27159.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10182].text |
去對照他整個製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[10183].start |
27159.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10183].end |
27161.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10183].text |
跟他的原料品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[10184].start |
27161.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10184].end |
27163.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10184].text |
那是誰啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10185].start |
27163.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10185].end |
27165.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10185].text |
那所以有幾批他的這個原料的品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[10186].start |
27165.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10186].end |
27167.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10186].text |
比較差 |
| transcript.whisperx[10187].start |
27169.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10187].end |
27171.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10187].text |
那就是巴西的豆子 |
| transcript.whisperx[10188].start |
27171.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10188].end |
27173.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10188].text |
然後再加上他製程上 |
| transcript.whisperx[10189].start |
27173.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10189].end |
27175.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10189].text |
沒有去精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[10190].start |
27175.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10190].end |
27177.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10190].text |
達標所以造成他最後的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10191].start |
27177.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10191].end |
27179.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10191].text |
這個數值 |
| transcript.whisperx[10192].start |
27180.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10192].end |
27182.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10192].text |
你光跟我講的到這一段 |
| transcript.whisperx[10193].start |
27182.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10193].end |
27184.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10193].text |
說真的也沒呈現在報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[10194].start |
27184.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10194].end |
27186.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10194].text |
你說你的報告到這個禮拜才會出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[10195].start |
27188.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10195].end |
27190.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10195].text |
那我下一個就要問啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10196].start |
27190.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10196].end |
27192.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10196].text |
我剛剛講了解批號真相搞清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[10197].start |
27192.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10197].end |
27194.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10197].text |
才能上架這話誰說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10198].start |
27194.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10198].end |
27196.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10198].text |
你知道誰說的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10199].start |
27196.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10199].end |
27198.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10199].text |
這句話陳其邁說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10200].start |
27198.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10200].end |
27200.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10200].text |
你現在重新上架這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[10201].start |
27200.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10201].end |
27202.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10201].text |
我想請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[10202].start |
27202.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[10202].end |
27204.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[10202].text |
中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[10203].start |
27204.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[10203].end |
27206.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[10203].text |
到底在這件事上有沒有共識啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10204].start |
27207.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10204].end |
27209.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10204].text |
這個我們完成了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[10205].start |
27209.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10205].end |
27211.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10205].text |
科學的檢驗確認了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10206].start |
27211.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10206].end |
27213.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10206].text |
你不是又開了一堆會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[10207].start |
27213.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10207].end |
27215.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10207].text |
把地方首長找上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[10208].start |
27215.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10208].end |
27217.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10208].text |
有沒有共識啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10209].start |
27217.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10209].end |
27219.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10209].text |
會議當中有沒有跟地方首長溝通啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10210].start |
27219.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10210].end |
27221.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10210].text |
有沒有跟陳其邁溝通嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[10211].start |
27222.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10211].end |
27224.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10211].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10212].start |
27224.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10212].end |
27226.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10212].text |
當然我們現在是從我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[10213].start |
27226.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10213].end |
27228.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10213].text |
檢驗的結果去 |
| transcript.whisperx[10214].start |
27228.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10214].end |
27230.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10214].text |
確認哪些批次是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10215].start |
27230.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10215].end |
27232.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10215].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[10216].start |
27232.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10216].end |
27234.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10216].text |
如果地方有他自己的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[10217].start |
27234.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10217].end |
27236.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10217].text |
您還是沒有回答我的問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10218].start |
27236.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10218].end |
27238.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10218].text |
我要問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[10219].start |
27238.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10219].end |
27240.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10219].text |
所以堅決不會撤回你重新上架的政策嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10220].start |
27240.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10220].end |
27242.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10220].text |
堅決不會撤回 |
| transcript.whisperx[10221].start |
27242.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10221].end |
27244.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10221].text |
即便陳其邁這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[10222].start |
27244.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10222].end |
27246.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10222].text |
即便蔣萬安跟台中市長盧秀燕都表達疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[10223].start |
27246.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10223].end |
27248.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10223].text |
人民的信心人民的安全感 |
| transcript.whisperx[10224].start |
27248.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10224].end |
27250.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10224].text |
覺得應該永遠放在第一優先順位 |
| transcript.whisperx[10225].start |
27250.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10225].end |
27252.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10225].text |
等你的所有報導全部公諸 |
| transcript.whisperx[10226].start |
27252.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10226].end |
27254.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10226].text |
真相公布之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[10227].start |
27254.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10227].end |
27256.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10227].text |
你再來讓社會大眾來決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10228].start |
27256.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10228].end |
27258.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10228].text |
要不要同意你重新上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[10229].start |
27258.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10229].end |
27260.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10229].text |
這個政策你不會改變啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10230].start |
27260.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10230].end |
27262.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10230].text |
因為這些批次我們都已經確認完成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10231].start |
27262.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10231].end |
27264.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10231].text |
他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10232].start |
27264.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10232].end |
27266.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10232].text |
是達標的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10233].start |
27266.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10233].end |
27268.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10233].text |
他是合格的商品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10234].start |
27269.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10234].end |
27271.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10234].text |
我跟部長說啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10235].start |
27272.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10235].end |
27274.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10235].text |
你口口聲聲說這些都安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[10236].start |
27274.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10236].end |
27276.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10236].text |
都是達標 |
| transcript.whisperx[10237].start |
27275.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10237].end |
27277.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10237].text |
的商品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10238].start |
27277.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10238].end |
27279.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10238].text |
可今天整個衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[10239].start |
27279.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10239].end |
27281.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10239].text |
為什麼開始讓人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[10240].start |
27281.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10240].end |
27283.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10240].text |
覺得對你們講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[10241].start |
27283.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10241].end |
27285.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10241].text |
已經要打上問號 |
| transcript.whisperx[10242].start |
27286.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10242].end |
27288.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10242].text |
打上問號不是直接否定你講的話不可信 |
| transcript.whisperx[10243].start |
27289.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10243].end |
27291.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10243].text |
而是我不知道該不該信 |
| transcript.whisperx[10244].start |
27292.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10244].end |
27294.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10244].text |
因為從毒油風暴發生到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10245].start |
27296.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10245].end |
27298.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10245].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[10246].start |
27297.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10246].end |
27299.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10246].text |
二十幾天 |
| transcript.whisperx[10247].start |
27299.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10247].end |
27301.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10247].text |
我發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[10248].start |
27301.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10248].end |
27303.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10248].text |
看到我們的行政官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10249].start |
27303.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10249].end |
27305.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10249].text |
外面看到的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[10250].start |
27305.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10250].end |
27307.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10250].text |
壓力到哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[10251].start |
27307.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10251].end |
27309.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10251].text |
就是做法到哪裡啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10252].start |
27309.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[10252].end |
27311.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[10252].text |
我舉個例子725人民就要上 |
| transcript.whisperx[10253].start |
27311.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[10253].end |
27313.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[10253].text |
改道抗議了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10254].start |
27313.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[10254].end |
27315.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[10254].text |
抗議什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[10255].start |
27315.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10255].end |
27317.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10255].text |
抗議這個食安風暴嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[10256].start |
27318.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10256].end |
27320.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10256].text |
如果沒有725人民抗議食安風暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[10257].start |
27320.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10257].end |
27322.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10257].text |
我想請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[10258].start |
27323.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10258].end |
27325.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10258].text |
今天行政院說要開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[10259].start |
27325.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10259].end |
27327.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10259].text |
做修法工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[10260].start |
27328.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10260].end |
27330.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10260].text |
開記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[10261].start |
27330.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10261].end |
27332.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10261].text |
要來做修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10262].start |
27332.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10262].end |
27334.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10262].text |
我很好奇耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[10263].start |
27334.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10263].end |
27336.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10263].text |
如果人民沒有要上改道 |
| transcript.whisperx[10264].start |
27336.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10264].end |
27338.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10264].text |
你們會去做這件事嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10265].start |
27338.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10265].end |
27340.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10265].text |
我光問一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[10266].start |
27340.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10266].end |
27342.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10266].text |
省級部多久就告訴行政部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[10267].start |
27342.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10267].end |
27344.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10267].text |
我們的整個食安有漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[10268].start |
27344.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10268].end |
27346.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10268].text |
省級部什麼時候講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10269].start |
27345.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10269].end |
27347.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10269].text |
省級部的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[10270].start |
27347.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10270].end |
27349.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10270].text |
你看省級部講什麼你也不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[10271].start |
27349.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10271].end |
27351.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10271].text |
你作為主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[10272].start |
27351.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10272].end |
27353.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10272].text |
省級部兩年前就已經告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[10273].start |
27353.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10273].end |
27355.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10273].text |
自主管理有漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[10274].start |
27356.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10274].end |
27358.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10274].text |
然後呢你的所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10275].start |
27358.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10275].end |
27360.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10275].text |
複查的覆蓋有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[10276].start |
27360.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10276].end |
27362.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10276].text |
食安有破口 |
| transcript.whisperx[10277].start |
27363.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10277].end |
27365.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10277].text |
可是這兩年到現在部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[10278].start |
27366.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10278].end |
27368.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10278].text |
我問省級部的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[10279].start |
27368.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10279].end |
27370.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10279].text |
你們回去看一下好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[10280].start |
27370.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10280].end |
27372.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10280].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10281].start |
27372.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10281].end |
27374.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10281].text |
回去看一下吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[10282].start |
27374.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10282].end |
27376.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10282].text |
今天分幾個層次跟部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[10283].start |
27379.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10283].end |
27381.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10283].text |
第一個層次是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[10284].start |
27381.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10284].end |
27383.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10284].text |
第二個層次當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[10285].start |
27382.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10285].end |
27384.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10285].text |
制度跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[10286].start |
27384.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10286].end |
27386.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10286].text |
系統有漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[10287].start |
27386.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10287].end |
27388.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10287].text |
要從制度系統去改嘛沒錯吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[10288].start |
27388.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10288].end |
27390.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10288].text |
對不對補強改進嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[10289].start |
27390.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10289].end |
27392.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10289].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[10290].start |
27392.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10290].end |
27394.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10290].text |
但行政管理有疏失 |
| transcript.whisperx[10291].start |
27395.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10291].end |
27397.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10291].text |
那就要去追究嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[10292].start |
27397.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10292].end |
27399.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10292].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[10293].start |
27400.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10293].end |
27402.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10293].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[10294].start |
27401.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10294].end |
27403.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10294].text |
你今天看到系統的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[10295].start |
27403.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10295].end |
27405.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10295].text |
兩年前省級部就已經警示了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10296].start |
27407.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10296].end |
27409.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10296].text |
沒有洞啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10297].start |
27409.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10297].end |
27411.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10297].text |
現在好都說推給是業者隱匿 |
| transcript.whisperx[10298].start |
27412.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10298].end |
27414.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10298].text |
業者隱匿本來就有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[10299].start |
27414.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10299].end |
27416.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10299].text |
在現在法治之下有沒有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[10300].start |
27416.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10300].end |
27418.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10300].text |
一樣有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[10301].start |
27418.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10301].end |
27420.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10301].text |
對這個明定在食安法裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[10302].start |
27421.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10302].end |
27423.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10302].text |
法律都在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10303].start |
27424.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10303].end |
27426.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10303].text |
但是屠法要能行 |
| transcript.whisperx[10304].start |
27426.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[10304].end |
27428.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[10304].text |
就是行政機關要執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[10305].start |
27428.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10305].end |
27430.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10305].text |
可今天行政機關放任 |
| transcript.whisperx[10306].start |
27430.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10306].end |
27432.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10306].text |
今天省級部兩年前的預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[10307].start |
27432.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10307].end |
27434.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10307].text |
示警沒有作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10308].start |
27435.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10308].end |
27437.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10308].text |
現在行政管理上 |
| transcript.whisperx[10309].start |
27438.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10309].end |
27440.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10309].text |
不管怎麼講啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10310].start |
27440.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10310].end |
27442.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10310].text |
我就看你們很多解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[10311].start |
27442.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10311].end |
27444.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10311].text |
一開始不肯公佈產品流向 |
| transcript.whisperx[10312].start |
27444.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10312].end |
27446.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10312].text |
然後等到問題擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[10313].start |
27446.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10313].end |
27448.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10313].text |
又跟我講說20%以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[10314].start |
27448.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10314].end |
27450.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10314].text |
一樣還是准許上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[10315].start |
27450.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10315].end |
27452.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10315].text |
然後接下來全部不能上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[10316].start |
27452.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10316].end |
27454.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10316].text |
接下來預防性下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[10317].start |
27454.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10317].end |
27456.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10317].text |
現在要重新上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[10318].start |
27456.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10318].end |
27458.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10318].text |
這整個過程部長你將心比心 |
| transcript.whisperx[10319].start |
27458.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10319].end |
27460.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10319].text |
你跟我位置換過來 |
| transcript.whisperx[10320].start |
27460.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10320].end |
27462.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10320].text |
你今天站在父母親 |
| transcript.whisperx[10321].start |
27462.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10321].end |
27464.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10321].text |
跟站在所謂的一般人民的立場來看的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[10322].start |
27465.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10322].end |
27467.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10322].text |
你覺得你會安心嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10323].start |
27468.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10323].end |
27470.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10323].text |
你覺得今天衛福部整個過程的做法當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[10324].start |
27470.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10324].end |
27472.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10324].text |
沒有值得檢討跟改進的地方嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10325].start |
27472.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10325].end |
27474.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10325].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[10326].start |
27474.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10326].end |
27476.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10326].text |
當然有值得檢討的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[10327].start |
27476.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10327].end |
27478.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10327].text |
但是我也不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[10328].start |
27478.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10328].end |
27480.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10328].text |
來你們的檢討檢討在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[10329].start |
27480.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10329].end |
27482.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10329].text |
跟委員的感受是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[10330].start |
27482.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10330].end |
27484.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10330].text |
所以為了讓大家安心才會 |
| transcript.whisperx[10331].start |
27484.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10331].end |
27486.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10331].text |
提早就4到6月 |
| transcript.whisperx[10332].start |
27486.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10332].end |
27488.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10332].text |
讓他全面性的預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[10333].start |
27488.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10333].end |
27490.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10333].text |
這個對於合格的商品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10334].start |
27490.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10334].end |
27492.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10334].text |
當時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[10335].start |
27492.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10335].end |
27494.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10335].text |
我們也是讓他先下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[10336].start |
27494.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10336].end |
27496.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10336].text |
因為我們會後頭確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[10337].start |
27496.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10337].end |
27498.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10337].text |
假如今天不是社會壓力大到一個程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[10338].start |
27498.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10338].end |
27500.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10338].text |
你開始採取預防性下 |
| transcript.whisperx[10339].start |
27500.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10339].end |
27502.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10339].text |
你自己就先做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10340].start |
27502.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10340].end |
27504.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10340].text |
那我也不會說你 |
| transcript.whisperx[10341].start |
27504.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10341].end |
27506.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10341].text |
外界也不會有一個懷疑是 |
| transcript.whisperx[10342].start |
27506.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10342].end |
27508.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10342].text |
這叫做切香腸的擠牙 |
| transcript.whisperx[10343].start |
27508.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10343].end |
27510.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10343].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[10344].start |
27510.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10344].end |
27512.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10344].text |
這是因為我們調查的過程發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[10345].start |
27512.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10345].end |
27514.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10345].text |
他的資料有做假 |
| transcript.whisperx[10346].start |
27514.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10346].end |
27515.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10346].text |
所以我們才 |
| transcript.whisperx[10347].start |
27515.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10347].end |
27517.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10347].text |
我最後還是跟部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[10348].start |
27517.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10348].end |
27519.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10348].text |
我真的拜託部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[10349].start |
27519.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10349].end |
27521.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10349].text |
約束一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[10350].start |
27521.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10350].end |
27523.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10350].text |
別的那些人的嘴巴你約束不了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10351].start |
27523.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10351].end |
27525.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10351].text |
你是衛福部長你也約束不了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10352].start |
27525.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10352].end |
27527.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10352].text |
中研院院長的嘴巴 |
| transcript.whisperx[10353].start |
27527.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10353].end |
27529.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10353].text |
你也約束不了民進黨發言人的嘴巴 |
| transcript.whisperx[10354].start |
27529.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10354].end |
27531.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10354].text |
你也約束不了新北市議員的嘴巴 |
| transcript.whisperx[10355].start |
27531.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10355].end |
27533.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10355].text |
但自己衛福部的官員嘴巴約束 |
| transcript.whisperx[10356].start |
27534.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10356].end |
27536.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10356].text |
提由救火 |
| transcript.whisperx[10357].start |
27536.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10357].end |
27538.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10357].text |
不需要在這個時候講一些幹話 |
| transcript.whisperx[10358].start |
27538.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10358].end |
27540.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10358].text |
今天還要每個民眾吃飯之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[10359].start |
27540.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10359].end |
27542.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10359].text |
要默唸我剛前面講三金句嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10360].start |
27542.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10360].end |
27544.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10360].text |
沒人逼我吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[10361].start |
27544.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10361].end |
27546.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10361].text |
別吃炸雞排 |
| transcript.whisperx[10362].start |
27546.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10362].end |
27548.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10362].text |
多喝水沒事 |
| transcript.whisperx[10363].start |
27548.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10363].end |
27550.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10363].text |
唸完以後扳扁皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[10364].start |
27549.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10364].end |
27551.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10364].text |
準備賭了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10365].start |
27552.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10365].end |
27554.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10365].text |
民眾已經就在這件事情上 |
| transcript.whisperx[10366].start |
27554.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10366].end |
27556.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10366].text |
已經不知道吃什麼東西好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10367].start |
27556.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10367].end |
27558.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10367].text |
講白了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10368].start |
27558.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10368].end |
27560.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10368].text |
沙拉油哪個食品不用到 |
| transcript.whisperx[10369].start |
27560.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10369].end |
27562.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10369].text |
毒油風暴掀開以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[10370].start |
27562.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10370].end |
27564.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10370].text |
我就講沒人逼你吃這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[10371].start |
27564.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10371].end |
27566.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10371].text |
認同這句話嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10372].start |
27568.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10372].end |
27570.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10372].text |
認同這句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[10373].start |
27570.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10373].end |
27572.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10373].text |
這句話能夠解答毒油風暴嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10374].start |
27572.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10374].end |
27574.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10374].text |
我們的責任就是確保這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[10375].start |
27574.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10375].end |
27576.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10375].text |
用油都是安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[10376].start |
27576.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10376].end |
27578.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10376].text |
問你認不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[10377].start |
27578.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10377].end |
27580.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10377].text |
答對了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[10378].start |
27579.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10378].end |
27581.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10378].text |
政府如果沒有三進責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[10379].start |
27581.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10379].end |
27583.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10379].text |
當毒油流入市面的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[10380].start |
27585.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10380].end |
27587.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10380].text |
什麼叫沒人逼你吃啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10381].start |
27587.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10381].end |
27589.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10381].text |
民眾根本沒得選嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[10382].start |
27589.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10382].end |
27591.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10382].text |
我怎麼知道A有毒B有毒C有毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[10383].start |
27591.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10383].end |
27593.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10383].text |
還是D有毒啊我都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[10384].start |
27594.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10384].end |
27596.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10384].text |
所以這是為什麼今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[10385].start |
27596.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10385].end |
27598.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10385].text |
我必須要跟部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[10386].start |
27599.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10386].end |
27601.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10386].text |
別的人不管了無真理管不到啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10387].start |
27602.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10387].end |
27604.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10387].text |
但是你們衛福部自己管好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10388].start |
27604.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10388].end |
27606.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10388].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[10389].start |
27606.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10389].end |
27608.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10389].text |
我們一定會確保所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10390].start |
27608.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10390].end |
27612.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10390].text |
在架上面的油品的合格合規 |
| transcript.whisperx[10391].start |
27612.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10391].end |
27614.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10391].text |
謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[10392].start |
27616 |
| transcript.whisperx[10392].end |
27618 |
| transcript.whisperx[10392].text |
謝謝羅志強我的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[10393].start |
27621.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10393].end |
27623.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10393].text |
真正權真正權真正權委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10394].start |
27623.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10394].end |
27625.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10394].text |
這請王侯輝 |
| transcript.whisperx[10395].start |
27625.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10395].end |
27627.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10395].text |
王侯輝王侯輝不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10396].start |
27627.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10396].end |
27629.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10396].text |
林茜琪林茜琪 |
| transcript.whisperx[10397].start |
27629.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10397].end |
27631.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10397].text |
林茜琪委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10398].start |
27632.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10398].end |
27634.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10398].text |
林德福林德福林德福委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10399].start |
27634.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10399].end |
27636.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10399].text |
徐中信徐中信徐中信委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10400].start |
27636.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10400].end |
27638.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10400].text |
張雅玲張雅玲張雅玲委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10401].start |
27638.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10401].end |
27640.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10401].text |
賴世寶賴世寶賴世寶委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10402].start |
27640.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10402].end |
27642.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10402].text |
李彥秀李彥秀李彥秀委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10403].start |
27642.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10403].end |
27644.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10403].text |
葉元芝葉元芝葉元芝委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10404].start |
27644.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10404].end |
27646.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10404].text |
賴慧元賴慧元賴慧元委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10405].start |
27646.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10405].end |
27648.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10405].text |
黃孟凱黃孟凱黃孟凱委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10406].start |
27648.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10406].end |
27650.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10406].text |
黃孟凱黃孟凱委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10407].start |
27650.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10407].end |
27652.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10407].text |
黃孟凱黃孟凱委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10408].start |
27652.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10408].end |
27654.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10408].text |
黃孟凱黃孟凱 |
| transcript.whisperx[10409].start |
27654.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10409].end |
27656.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10409].text |
黃孟凱黃孟凱委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10410].start |
27656.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10410].end |
27658.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10410].text |
黃孟凱黃孟凱委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10411].start |
27661.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10411].end |
27663.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10411].text |
賴世寶賴世寶 |
| transcript.whisperx[10412].start |
27662.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10412].end |
27664.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10412].text |
上午議程專題報告兩案及討論事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10413].start |
27664.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10413].end |
27666.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10413].text |
第一案第二案第三案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10414].start |
27666.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10414].end |
27668.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10414].text |
第四案說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10415].start |
27668.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10415].end |
27670.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10415].text |
報告及詢答完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[10416].start |
27670.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10416].end |
27672.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10416].text |
現在做以下決議 |
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27672.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10417].end |
27674.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10417].text |
有關一行政院韓送 |
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27674.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10418].end |
27676.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10418].text |
財團法人國家衛生研究院 |
| transcript.whisperx[10419].start |
27676.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10419].end |
27678.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10419].text |
一五年度工作計畫及收治預算案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10420].start |
27678.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10420].end |
27680.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10420].text |
二衛生 |
| transcript.whisperx[10421].start |
27680.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10421].end |
27682.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10421].text |
福利部韓送財團法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[10422].start |
27682.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10422].end |
27684.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10422].text |
醫院評鑑暨醫療品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[10423].start |
27684.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10423].end |
27686.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10423].text |
測禁會等九家財團法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[10424].start |
27686.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10424].end |
27688.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10424].text |
一百一十五年度運送 |
| transcript.whisperx[10425].start |
27688.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10425].end |
27690.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10425].text |
書案委員針對審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[10426].start |
27690.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10426].end |
27692.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10426].text |
法治順利提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10427].start |
27692.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10427].end |
27694.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10427].text |
請一百一十五年七月三十日 |
| transcript.whisperx[10428].start |
27694.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10428].end |
27696.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10428].text |
新池市下午五點 |
| transcript.whisperx[10429].start |
27696.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10429].end |
27698.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10429].text |
前以順利 |
| transcript.whisperx[10430].start |
27698.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10430].end |
27700.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10430].text |
送交本委員會辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[10431].start |
27700.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10431].end |
27702.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10431].text |
預取不受理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10432].start |
27702.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10432].end |
27704.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10432].text |
委員王恒威 |
| transcript.whisperx[10433].start |
27704.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10433].end |
27706.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10433].text |
委員傅坤起委員吳宗憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[10434].start |
27706.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10434].end |
27708.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10434].text |
委員林德福委員徐欣瑩 |
| transcript.whisperx[10435].start |
27708.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10435].end |
27710.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10435].text |
所提順利諮詢列入記錄刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[10436].start |
27711.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10436].end |
27713.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10436].text |
委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資料者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10437].start |
27713.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10437].end |
27715.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10437].text |
請相關機關兩重令以順利答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[10438].start |
27715.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10438].end |
27717.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10438].text |
委員要求期限者重啟鎖定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10439].start |
27722.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10439].end |
27724.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10439].text |
上午議程進行到此 |
| transcript.whisperx[10440].start |
27724.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10440].end |
27726.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10440].text |
休息十分鐘後進行下午議程 |
| transcript.whisperx[10441].start |
27726.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10441].end |
27728.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10441].text |
繼續審查討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[10442].start |
27730.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10442].end |
27732.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10442].text |
討論事項第三案現在休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[10443].start |
27758.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10443].end |
27760.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10443].text |
下午你還會在嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10444].start |
27760.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10444].end |
27762.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10444].text |
我去審那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[10445].start |
27762.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10445].end |
27764.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10445].text |
指南法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10446].start |
27764.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10446].end |
27766.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10446].text |
我請市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[10447].start |
27767.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10447].end |
27769.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10447].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[10448].start |
27779.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10448].end |
27781.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10448].text |
我這樣 |
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27781.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10449].end |
27783.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10449].text |
其實新生育版都 |
| transcript.whisperx[10450].start |
27783.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10450].end |
27785.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10450].text |
對我來說我覺得很方便 |
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27785.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10451].end |
27787.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10451].text |
而且生殊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10452].start |
27823.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10452].end |
27825.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10452].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[10453].start |
27825.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[10453].end |
27827.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[10453].text |
明天是日本人 |
| transcript.whisperx[10454].start |
27827.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[10454].end |
27829.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[10454].text |
明天是王大志團會 |
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27833.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10455].end |
27835.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10455].text |
中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[10456].start |
27835.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10456].end |
27837.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10456].text |
請問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[10457].start |
27837.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10457].end |
27839.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10457].text |
你是不是在審查 |
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27839.65 |
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27841.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10458].text |
我不是 |
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27841.65 |
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27843.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10459].text |
我只是在審查 |
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27843.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10460].end |
27845.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10460].text |
我只是在審查 |
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27845.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10461].end |
27847.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10461].text |
我只是在審查 |
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27847.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10462].end |
27849.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10462].text |
我只是在審查 |
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27849.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10463].end |
27851.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10463].text |
我只是在審查 |
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27851.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10464].end |
27853.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10464].text |
我只是在審查 |
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27853.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10465].end |
27855.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10465].text |
我只是在審查 |
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27855.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10466].end |
27857.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10466].text |
我只是在審查 |
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27857.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10467].end |
27859.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10467].text |
我只是在審查 |
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27859.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10468].end |
27861.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10468].text |
我只是在審查 |
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27861.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10469].end |
27863.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10469].text |
我只是在審查 |
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27839.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10470].end |
27841.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10470].text |
我只是在審查 |
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27841.44 |
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27843.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10471].text |
用零用啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10472].start |
27843.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10472].end |
27845.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10472].text |
市長大志那天 |
| transcript.whisperx[10473].start |
27845.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10473].end |
27847.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10473].text |
要幫他處理 |
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27847.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10474].end |
27849.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10474].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10475].start |
27849.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10475].end |
27851.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10475].text |
你先去 |
| transcript.whisperx[10476].start |
27851.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10476].end |
27853.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10476].text |
你先去 |
| transcript.whisperx[10477].start |
27856.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10477].end |
27858.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10477].text |
你先去 |
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27871.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10478].end |
27873.96 |
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我們兩個外國人真的是 |
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27873.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10479].end |
27875.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10479].text |
真的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[10480].start |
27875.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10480].end |
27877.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10480].text |
你要問 |
| transcript.whisperx[10481].start |
27877.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10481].end |
27879.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10481].text |
對還有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10482].start |
27879.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10482].end |
27881.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10482].text |
你有沒有法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[10483].start |
28327.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10483].end |
28329.1 |
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好 |
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28328.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10484].end |
28330.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10484].text |
會有人嗎 |
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28330.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10485].end |
28332.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10485].text |
沒有人 |
| transcript.whisperx[10486].start |
28332.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10486].end |
28334.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10486].text |
我放你桌上 |
| transcript.whisperx[10487].start |
28334.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10487].end |
28336.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10487].text |
要三個人才能進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[10488].start |
28337.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10488].end |
28339.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10488].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[10489].start |
28371.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10489].end |
28373.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10489].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[10490].start |
28377.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10490].end |
28379.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10490].text |
現在繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[10491].start |
28379.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10491].end |
28381.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10491].text |
本日會議下午一成為繼續審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[10492].start |
28381.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10492].end |
28383.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10492].text |
及審查我們年輕部分條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[10493].start |
28383.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10493].end |
28385.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10493].text |
修正草案等73案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10494].start |
28389.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10494].end |
28391.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10494].text |
介紹在場委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10495].start |
28391.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10495].end |
28393.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10495].text |
歡迎王玉明委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10496].start |
28396.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10496].end |
28398.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10496].text |
在練習官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10497].start |
28400.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10497].end |
28402.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10497].text |
政府部政務次長呂建德 |
| transcript.whisperx[10498].start |
28404.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10498].end |
28406.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10498].text |
社保司代理市長張玉璇 |
| transcript.whisperx[10499].start |
28407.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10499].end |
28409.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10499].text |
法規會參事陳信成 |
| transcript.whisperx[10500].start |
28411.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10500].end |
28414.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10500].text |
社會救助及社工事業市場完善情 |
| transcript.whisperx[10501].start |
28416.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10501].end |
28418.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10501].text |
公共上車專委邱必出 |
| transcript.whisperx[10502].start |
28420.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10502].end |
28422.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10502].text |
經濟算車專委吳婉玉 |
| transcript.whisperx[10503].start |
28426.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10503].end |
28428.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10503].text |
國會署專委羅瑞鴻 |
| transcript.whisperx[10504].start |
28430.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10504].end |
28432.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10504].text |
國會署專委蔡孟朱 |
| transcript.whisperx[10505].start |
28435.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10505].end |
28437.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10505].text |
國民民進組組長吳維揚 |
| transcript.whisperx[10506].start |
28440.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10506].end |
28442.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10506].text |
農業部輔導師紀政邱鼎祥 |
| transcript.whisperx[10507].start |
28444.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10507].end |
28446.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10507].text |
法務部參事灣南軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[10508].start |
28448.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10508].end |
28450.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10508].text |
聯盟會處長羅赫路 |
| transcript.whisperx[10509].start |
28452.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10509].end |
28454.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10509].text |
土管處專委廖毅群 |
| transcript.whisperx[10510].start |
28458.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10510].end |
28461.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10510].text |
繼續逐條審查前先做一下說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10511].start |
28461.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10511].end |
28464.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10511].text |
本委員會已分別在15年1月29日 |
| transcript.whisperx[10512].start |
28464.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10512].end |
28467.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10512].text |
第四會期第22次委員會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[10513].start |
28467.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10513].end |
28470.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10513].text |
就委員何清淳等17人提案等 |
| transcript.whisperx[10514].start |
28470.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10514].end |
28472.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10514].text |
共計19案尋答完畢 |
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28472.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10515].end |
28476.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10515].text |
15年3月19日就新增至行政院提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10516].start |
28476.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10516].end |
28480.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10516].text |
委員楊全民等36人提案等18案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10517].start |
28480.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10517].end |
28483.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10517].text |
與上述提案一併進行逐條審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[10518].start |
28484.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10518].end |
28487.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10518].text |
本日再加入委員賴慧元等23人 |
| transcript.whisperx[10519].start |
28487.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10519].end |
28492.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10519].text |
擬去國民聯軍法第13條及第28條條文修進草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10520].start |
28492.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10520].end |
28494.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10520].text |
等36個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10521].start |
28494.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10521].end |
28497.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10521].text |
與上述37案並案審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[10522].start |
28497.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10522].end |
28499.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10522].text |
因有部分新增連動條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[10523].start |
28499.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10523].end |
28501.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10523].text |
是以今日下午一成進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[10524].start |
28501.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10524].end |
28504.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10524].text |
仍請部長先進行相關說明後 |
| transcript.whisperx[10525].start |
28504.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10525].end |
28507.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10525].text |
不再詢答及進行逐條討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[10526].start |
28509.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10526].end |
28511.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10526].text |
接下來請衛生福利部呂次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[10527].start |
28511.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10527].end |
28513.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10527].text |
就討論事項進行說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10528].start |
28524.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10528].end |
28527.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10528].text |
主席各位委員各位女士先生大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[10529].start |
28527.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10529].end |
28530.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10529].text |
今天大院第11屆第五會期 |
| transcript.whisperx[10530].start |
28530.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10530].end |
28533.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10530].text |
未完委員會第24全體委員會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[10531].start |
28533.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10531].end |
28535.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10531].text |
那麼本部誠邀列席報告深感榮幸 |
| transcript.whisperx[10532].start |
28535.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10532].end |
28537.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10532].text |
那麼各位委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[10533].start |
28537.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10533].end |
28541.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10533].text |
已經在3月19日逐條審查國民聯軍法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10534].start |
28541.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10534].end |
28542.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10534].text |
部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10535].start |
28542.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10535].end |
28546.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10535].text |
那麼通過修正第15條及第50條規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10536].start |
28546.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10536].end |
28548.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10536].text |
那麼廢除強制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10537].start |
28549.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10537].end |
28553.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10537].text |
配偶代繳保險費以及罰鍰的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10538].start |
28553.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10538].end |
28555.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10538].text |
那麼回歸夫妻財務獨立 |
| transcript.whisperx[10539].start |
28555.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10539].end |
28557.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10539].text |
這會彰顯性別平等 |
| transcript.whisperx[10540].start |
28557.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10540].end |
28561.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10540].text |
以及第55條規定擴大專戶的保障範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[10541].start |
28561.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10541].end |
28563.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10541].text |
於均保留續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[10542].start |
28563.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10542].end |
28565.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10542].text |
那麼在此期間大院委員持續關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[10543].start |
28565.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10543].end |
28567.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10543].text |
國民聯軍議題陸續提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10544].start |
28567.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10544].end |
28572.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10544].text |
本次報告緊救委員賴會員等23人凝聚 |
| transcript.whisperx[10545].start |
28572.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10545].end |
28574.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10545].text |
國民聯軍法部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10546].start |
28574.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10546].end |
28576.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10546].text |
繼36案提出說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10547].start |
28576.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10547].end |
28578.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10547].text |
那麼敬請會議審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[10548].start |
28578.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10548].end |
28580.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10548].text |
首先在保費補助部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10549].start |
28580.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10549].end |
28581.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10549].text |
相關提案包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[10550].start |
28581.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10550].end |
28584.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10550].text |
育有6歲以下孩童被保險人免繳保費 |
| transcript.whisperx[10551].start |
28585.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10551].end |
28588.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10551].text |
政府保險費補助提高至50% |
| transcript.whisperx[10552].start |
28588.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10552].end |
28592.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10552].text |
那麼本部審酌本項保費負擔調整將簽動 |
| transcript.whisperx[10553].start |
28592.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10553].end |
28595.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10553].text |
其他社會保險保費補助的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10554].start |
28595.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10554].end |
28596.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10554].text |
那麼也為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10555].start |
28597.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10555].end |
28600.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10555].text |
兼顧量能付費的公平原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[10556].start |
28600.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10556].end |
28601.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10556].text |
以及政府財政負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[10557].start |
28601.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10557].end |
28604.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10557].text |
允宜審慎嚴厲 |
| transcript.whisperx[10558].start |
28604.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10558].end |
28609.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10558].text |
那麼其次有關於保險費繳款單計算規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10559].start |
28609.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10559].end |
28612.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10559].text |
那麼保費計算不論採每月或雙月 |
| transcript.whisperx[10560].start |
28612.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10560].end |
28614.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10560].text |
計算繳款單 |
| transcript.whisperx[10561].start |
28614.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10561].end |
28618.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10561].text |
並未影響被保險人實際應繳納的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[10562].start |
28618.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10562].end |
28622.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10562].text |
但是將增加保險人計算的行政成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[10563].start |
28622.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10563].end |
28626.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10563].text |
那麼本部估計大約是2億的行政成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[10564].start |
28626.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10564].end |
28630.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10564].text |
因此建議維持現行的規定的辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10565].start |
28630.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10565].end |
28634.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10565].text |
另外針對委員建議減徵利息的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10566].start |
28634.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10566].end |
28638.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10566].text |
考量經濟困難者令徵利息減徵相關辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10567].start |
28638.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10567].end |
28641.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10567].text |
這個部分尊重大院審議結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[10568].start |
28641.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10568].end |
28645.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10568].text |
至於配偶連帶處罰規定的修正建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[10569].start |
28645.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10569].end |
28649.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10569].text |
業經貴委員會3月19日審議通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[10570].start |
28649.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10570].end |
28653.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10570].text |
本部建議依照行政院版本修正條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[10571].start |
28654.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10571].end |
28658.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10571].text |
另外有關於增訂生育給付放寬勤領 |
| transcript.whisperx[10572].start |
28658.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10572].end |
28664.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10572].text |
於一年內仍得勤領並且追溯5年發給的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[10573].start |
28664.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10573].end |
28666.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10573].text |
補充明定法律規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10574].start |
28666.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10574].end |
28669.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10574].text |
那麼本部已經在2025年納入本法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10575].start |
28669.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10575].end |
28672.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10575].text |
施行系的第44條第三項的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10576].start |
28673.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10576].end |
28676.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10576].text |
那麼委員所提一列本法第18條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10577].start |
28676.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10577].end |
28679.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10577].text |
增訂第一項第二款以及第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10578].start |
28679.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10578].end |
28681.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10578].text |
來進一步提升法律違約 |
| transcript.whisperx[10579].start |
28681.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10579].end |
28684.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10579].text |
那麼本部競表尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[10580].start |
28684.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10580].end |
28688.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10580].text |
至於延長人民請求權5年之時效規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10581].start |
28688.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10581].end |
28691.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10581].text |
由於國保給付遷禮資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[10582].start |
28691.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10582].end |
28694.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10582].text |
牽涉外部相關資料的比對作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[10583].start |
28694.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10583].end |
28697.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10583].text |
仍需就相關的證明文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[10584].start |
28697.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10584].end |
28702.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10584].text |
詳與審認使能正確核發給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[10585].start |
28702.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10585].end |
28705.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10585].text |
那麼因為相關證件的保存期限 |
| transcript.whisperx[10586].start |
28705.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10586].end |
28707.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10586].text |
未必都是10年 |
| transcript.whisperx[10587].start |
28707.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10587].end |
28709.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10587].text |
如果有設伏今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[10588].start |
28711.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10588].end |
28713.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10588].text |
持報或誤報的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[10589].start |
28713.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10589].end |
28715.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10589].text |
那麼事實上反而是增加了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10590].start |
28715.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10590].end |
28719.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10590].text |
保險人、食物審查、作業的查證困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[10591].start |
28719.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10591].end |
28723.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10591].text |
而進一步會衍生給付的核發疑義 |
| transcript.whisperx[10592].start |
28723.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10592].end |
28725.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10592].text |
試射民眾的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[10593].start |
28725.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10593].end |
28728.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10593].text |
那麼這部分我們也是尊重大院的審查結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[10594].start |
28728.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10594].end |
28730.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10594].text |
那麼至於放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[10595].start |
28730.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10595].end |
28732.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10595].text |
排富標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[10596].start |
28732.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10596].end |
28735.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10596].text |
行政院版事實上已經有提出放寬的門檻 |
| transcript.whisperx[10597].start |
28735.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10597].end |
28739.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10597].text |
那麼所得是60萬,不動產是1025萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[10598].start |
28739.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10598].end |
28741.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10598].text |
並且建立定期調整的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10599].start |
28741.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10599].end |
28744.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10599].text |
那麼事實上也與委員的提案版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[10600].start |
28744.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10600].end |
28746.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10600].text |
修正目的都相同 |
| transcript.whisperx[10601].start |
28746.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10601].end |
28749.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10601].text |
另外有關於採取高齡家庭CPI成長率 |
| transcript.whisperx[10602].start |
28749.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10602].end |
28751.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10602].text |
為調整機制的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10603].start |
28751.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10603].end |
28753.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10603].text |
那麼查該項CPI的指標是細紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[10604].start |
28753.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10604].end |
28756.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10604].text |
戶內人口都是65歲以上家庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[10605].start |
28756.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10605].end |
28759.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10605].text |
國寶幾戶親臨的對象的家庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[10606].start |
28759.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10606].end |
28764.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10606].text |
未必都是高齡族群 |
| transcript.whisperx[10607].start |
28764.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10607].end |
28767.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10607].text |
因此也無法適用這一項的高齡指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[10608].start |
28767.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10608].end |
28770.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10608].text |
那麼也因此建議維持行政院的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[10609].start |
28770.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10609].end |
28776.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10609].text |
那麼至於原住民淨罰補償金因此損害賠償 |
| transcript.whisperx[10610].start |
28776.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10610].end |
28778.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10610].text |
上非所得發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[10611].start |
28778.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10611].end |
28781.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10611].text |
那麼不會課徵綜合所得稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[10612].start |
28781.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10612].end |
28784.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10612].text |
那麼至於本項補償金所列 |
| transcript.whisperx[10613].start |
28784.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10613].end |
28787.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10613].text |
及等相關事項是否另訂標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[10614].start |
28787.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10614].end |
28790.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10614].text |
那麼這部分我們也是尊重大院的審議結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[10615].start |
28790.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10615].end |
28794.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10615].text |
那麼至於增訂育兒幾戶規定的修正建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[10616].start |
28794.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10616].end |
28797.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10616].text |
那麼這一項的幾戶親臨的條件估算 |
| transcript.whisperx[10617].start |
28797.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10617].end |
28802.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10617].text |
本部我們估算一年所需的經費高達145億 |
| transcript.whisperx[10618].start |
28802.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10618].end |
28806.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10618].text |
那麼審酌本項提案將會牽動其他社會保險的橫平性 |
| transcript.whisperx[10619].start |
28806.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10619].end |
28808.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10619].text |
那麼也影響社會保險資源的公平性 |
| transcript.whisperx[10620].start |
28808.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10620].end |
28814.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10620].text |
市設國保基金支出以及政府財政負擔也隱移審慎評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[10621].start |
28814.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10621].end |
28819.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10621].text |
那麼另外還有有關於調高商帳給付額度以及擴大適用的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[10622].start |
28819.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10622].end |
28821.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10622].text |
本部的意見有三點 |
| transcript.whisperx[10623].start |
28821.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10623].end |
28827.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10623].text |
第一調高額度的部分一次發給十個月或十五個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[10624].start |
28827.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10624].end |
28833.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10624].text |
月投保金額一年將會增加基金的支出分別是12億或到24億 |
| transcript.whisperx[10625].start |
28833.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10625].end |
28837.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10625].text |
那麼這也事實上會牽到國保的基金財務 |
| transcript.whisperx[10626].start |
28837.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10626].end |
28842.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10626].text |
而且也攸關全體保險的權利我們也建議審慎評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[10627].start |
28842.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10627].end |
28845.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10627].text |
第二擴大商帳給付的適用部分 |
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28845.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10628].end |
28850.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10628].text |
那麼本法商帳給付的情領規定與國保以及公保規定都是相同 |
| transcript.whisperx[10629].start |
28850.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10629].end |
28856.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10629].text |
都是以加保期間的死亡事故才能夠核發 |
| transcript.whisperx[10630].start |
28856.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10630].end |
28859.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10630].text |
就是說他的這個條件是這個加保期間 |
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28859.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10631].end |
28865.73 |
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那麼如果你現在把它改成是這個65歲以上退保之後都可以領取的話 |
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28865.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10632].end |
28871.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10632].text |
那麼預估一年增加的基金支出是72到144億 |
| transcript.whisperx[10633].start |
28871.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10633].end |
28878.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10633].text |
而且事實上也跟我們一般社會保險的這個基本的制度設計的邏輯不太相符 |
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28878.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10634].end |
28884.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10634].text |
那麼也因此我們建議要就是簡單來說這個就變成福利不是變成保險了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10635].start |
28884.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10635].end |
28888.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10635].text |
這個是也請各位委員來審慎研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[10636].start |
28888.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10636].end |
28892.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10636].text |
第三至於增訂死亡一次金發給規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10637].start |
28892.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10637].end |
28896.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10637].text |
並也不符合社會保險的制度精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[10638].start |
28896.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10638].end |
28899.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10638].text |
而且也增加國保的財務 |
| transcript.whisperx[10639].start |
28900.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10639].end |
28903.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10639].text |
那麼我們也建議審慎研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[10640].start |
28905.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10640].end |
28909.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10640].text |
有關於已屬年金工作收入的審認規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10641].start |
28909.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10641].end |
28913.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10641].text |
現行的基本是以基本公司29500為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10642].start |
28913.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10642].end |
28916.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10642].text |
已屬年金工作收入的審核標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[10643].start |
28916.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10643].end |
28918.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10643].text |
高於中低收入戶資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[10644].start |
28918.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10644].end |
28921.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10644].text |
也就是中低收入按照我們社會救助法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10645].start |
28921.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10645].end |
28925.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10645].text |
是每人每月不超過當地最低生活費1.5倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[10646].start |
28925.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10646].end |
28928.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10646].text |
那麼以台灣省為例的話是23273元 |
| transcript.whisperx[10647].start |
28928.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10647].end |
28935.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10647].text |
那麼委員所提出是以每人每月最低生活費2.5倍為審核標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[10648].start |
28935.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10648].end |
28939.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10648].text |
以台灣省為例的話那就變成38788元 |
| transcript.whisperx[10649].start |
28940.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10649].end |
28944.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10649].text |
我再重複一次是38788元 |
| transcript.whisperx[10650].start |
28944.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10650].end |
28946.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10650].text |
是高於我們現在目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[10651].start |
28946.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10651].end |
28948.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10651].text |
就是你現在的那幾付高於基本工資 |
| transcript.whisperx[10652].start |
28949.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10652].end |
28953.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10652].text |
那這個也一年也會增加經費1.8億 |
| transcript.whisperx[10653].start |
28953.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10653].end |
28957.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10653].text |
那麼事實上也試設各項的福利資格比照試用 |
| transcript.whisperx[10654].start |
28957.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10654].end |
28960.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10654].text |
這部分我們也建議可能要審慎研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[10655].start |
28960.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10655].end |
28965.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10655].text |
那麼至於最後各界最關心的調高基本數額以及相關的調整機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10656].start |
28965.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10656].end |
28969.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10656].text |
行政院版已經調高基本數額是23.5% |
| transcript.whisperx[10657].start |
28970.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10657].end |
28975.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10657].text |
另外也增訂運期調整後兩年CPI達到3%的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[10658].start |
28975.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10658].end |
28978.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10658].text |
那麼就有一個其中檢討的這個配套 |
| transcript.whisperx[10659].start |
28978.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10659].end |
28982.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10659].text |
來即時反映短期物價提高的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[10660].start |
28982.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10660].end |
28986.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10660].text |
那麼委員提案將老年家計以及基本保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[10661].start |
28986.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10661].end |
28992.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10661].text |
已屬年金原住民給付從每月的4049元提高為5000元 |
| transcript.whisperx[10662].start |
28992.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10662].end |
28994.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10662].text |
提高為5000到8000元 |
| transcript.whisperx[10663].start |
28994.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10663].end |
28996.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10663].text |
那麼身心障礙基本保障年金 |
| transcript.whisperx[10664].start |
28996.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10664].end |
28999.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10664].text |
從每個月的5437提高到6715 |
| transcript.whisperx[10665].start |
28999.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10665].end |
29002.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10665].text |
提高為6715至12000 |
| transcript.whisperx[10666].start |
29002.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10666].end |
29007.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10666].text |
那麼經顧算一年政府所需的經費需增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[10667].start |
29008.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10667].end |
29010.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10667].text |
156到653億不等 |
| transcript.whisperx[10668].start |
29010.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10668].end |
29013.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10668].text |
那麼這也牽涉到政府的財政負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[10669].start |
29013.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10669].end |
29016.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10669].text |
我們也建議是不是就維持行政院版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[10670].start |
29016.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10670].end |
29020.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10670].text |
那麼最後國民年金從2008年開辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10671].start |
29020.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10671].end |
29022.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10671].text |
迄今已經將近18年 |
| transcript.whisperx[10672].start |
29022.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10672].end |
29026.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10672].text |
是我國社會保險制度的基礎經濟安全保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[10673].start |
29026.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10673].end |
29032.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10673].text |
那麼審酌當年當前經濟成長物價指數以及民眾生活需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[10674].start |
29032.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10674].end |
29035.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10674].text |
行政院版國民年金法部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10675].start |
29035.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10675].end |
29040.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10675].text |
預估一年所需的經費已經是來到860億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[10676].start |
29040.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10676].end |
29044.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10676].text |
那麼年增每一年是195億 |
| transcript.whisperx[10677].start |
29044.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10677].end |
29047.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10677].text |
那麼這些全部都是由政府的公務預算來支應 |
| transcript.whisperx[10678].start |
29047.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10678].end |
29048.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10678].text |
那麼將四 |
| transcript.whisperx[10679].start |
29049.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10679].end |
29055.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10679].text |
15年中央政府總預算案完成法定程序後 |
| transcript.whisperx[10680].start |
29055.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10680].end |
29058.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10680].text |
本部將儘速來辦理追加 |
| transcript.whisperx[10681].start |
29058.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10681].end |
29061.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10681].text |
來強化國民年金的社會保障功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[10682].start |
29061.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10682].end |
29064.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10682].text |
以上的報告進行大院與指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[10683].start |
29064.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10683].end |
29065.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10683].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[10684].start |
29065.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10684].end |
29067.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10684].text |
謝謝李建德次長的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10685].start |
29067.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10685].end |
29069.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10685].text |
現在進行版案第二輪 |
| transcript.whisperx[10686].start |
29069.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10686].end |
29073.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10686].text |
並按逐條討論現在討論第四條條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[10687].start |
29073.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10687].end |
29077.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10687].text |
在此之前今天對衛福部對保留新增條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[10688].start |
29078.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10688].end |
29085.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10688].text |
建議為提出建議條文審查時衛福部請完整呈現條文與定式強並注意核對 |
| transcript.whisperx[10689].start |
29086.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10689].end |
29088.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10689].text |
先請衛福部說明第12條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10690].start |
29095.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10690].end |
29098.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10690].text |
第12條的修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10691].start |
29098.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10691].end |
29103.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10691].text |
這邊的12條的規定主要委員有兩個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10692].start |
29103.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10692].end |
29110.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10692].text |
第一個部分是蘇喬會委員所提的6歲以下的被保險人免於繳納保險費 |
| transcript.whisperx[10693].start |
29110.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10693].end |
29115.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10693].text |
那這個案子我們評估之後一年增加經費大概會有10億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[10694].start |
29115.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10694].end |
29117.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10694].text |
這是第一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10695].start |
29117.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10695].end |
29122.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10695].text |
那第二個部分的委員是賴世保委員所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10696].start |
29122.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10696].end |
29126.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10696].text |
政府補助比例提高至50%的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10697].start |
29126.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10697].end |
29131.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10697].text |
那這個部分我們經過評估一年會增加經費是65億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[10698].start |
29131.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10698].end |
29139.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10698].text |
那這兩個提案所提到的都會牽涉到其他社會保險的保費補助的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10699].start |
29139.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10699].end |
29143.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10699].text |
那考慮到這個量能負擔這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[10700].start |
29143.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10700].end |
29145.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10700].text |
我們希望能夠審慎研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[10701].start |
29145.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10701].end |
29146.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10701].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[10702].start |
29147.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[10702].end |
29148.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[10702].text |
好,請問委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10703].start |
29150.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10703].end |
29154.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10703].text |
有關6歲以下幼兒的保費 |
| transcript.whisperx[10704].start |
29154.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10704].end |
29157.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10704].text |
由中央跟地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[10705].start |
29158.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10705].end |
29160.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10705].text |
大概就是全額負擔了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10706].start |
29161.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10706].end |
29163.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10706].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[10707].start |
29162.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[10707].end |
29167.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[10707].text |
我覺得你們來的時候是不是要講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[10708].start |
29168.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10708].end |
29173.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10708].text |
我們現在對於低收入務跟中低收入務的補貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[10709].start |
29173.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10709].end |
29177.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10709].text |
我覺得這樣子對比會比你們單純講 |
| transcript.whisperx[10710].start |
29177.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10710].end |
29181.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10710].text |
增加預算更有說服力一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[10711].start |
29183.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10711].end |
29186.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10711].text |
因為我這邊有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10712].start |
29186.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10712].end |
29190.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10712].text |
大概就是補助70%到100%啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10713].start |
29190.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10713].end |
29199.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10713].text |
我想會有補助6歲以下保費的提議 |
| transcript.whisperx[10714].start |
29199.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10714].end |
29202.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10714].text |
最主要還是在因應少子化啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10715].start |
29202.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10715].end |
29204.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10715].text |
利益不錯啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10716].start |
29204.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10716].end |
29209.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10716].text |
只是說可能要除了增加支出以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[10717].start |
29209.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10717].end |
29212.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10717].text |
比較重要的是我們還是要對比其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[10718].start |
29212.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10718].end |
29214.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10718].text |
加受補助的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[10719].start |
29214.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10719].end |
29220.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10719].text |
這個是我提供給委員會的委員做參考的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10720].start |
29220.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10720].end |
29226.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10720].text |
因為單純的從財政來做探討 |
| transcript.whisperx[10721].start |
29227.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10721].end |
29233.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10721].text |
比較不符合修法的時候討論的最主要的核心啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10722].start |
29233.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[10722].end |
29234.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[10722].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[10723].start |
29235.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10723].end |
29236.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10723].text |
喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[10724].start |
29235.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10724].end |
29236.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10724].text |
我個人是覺得啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10725].start |
29236.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10725].end |
29240.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10725].text |
假如說中低收入務可能就100%嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[10726].start |
29240.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10726].end |
29243.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10726].text |
假如說中低收入務沒有到100% |
| transcript.whisperx[10727].start |
29243.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10727].end |
29249.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10727].text |
那6歲以下的兒童100%的補貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[10728].start |
29249.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10728].end |
29253.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10728].text |
會不會就是有一點失衡啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10729].start |
29253.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10729].end |
29254.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10729].text |
會不會有一點失衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[10730].start |
29254.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10730].end |
29257.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10730].text |
當然我還是要強調就是提案委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10731].start |
29257.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10731].end |
29263.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10731].text |
想要從各個面向來鼓勵生育 |
| transcript.whisperx[10732].start |
29263.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10732].end |
29265.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10732].text |
這個利益是很好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10733].start |
29265.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10733].end |
29269.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10733].text |
只是說可能假如這個通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10734].start |
29269.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10734].end |
29273.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10734].text |
那我覺得中低收是更應該要在保費上 |
| transcript.whisperx[10735].start |
29273.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10735].end |
29275.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10735].text |
是更應該要受到照顧的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10736].start |
29277.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10736].end |
29279.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10736].text |
這個提供給委員會做參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[10737].start |
29280.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10737].end |
29281.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10737].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[10738].start |
29281.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10738].end |
29284.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10738].text |
那第12條條文是照修正通過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10739].start |
29287.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10739].end |
29288.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10739].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[10740].start |
29289.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10740].end |
29291.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10740].text |
修正維持現行條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[10741].start |
29294.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10741].end |
29296.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10741].text |
現在進行第13條條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[10742].start |
29296.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[10742].end |
29297.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[10742].text |
請問會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10743].start |
29301.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10743].end |
29303.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10743].text |
請問會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10744].start |
29303.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10744].end |
29305.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10744].text |
請問會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10745].start |
29305.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10745].end |
29307.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10745].text |
請問會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10746].start |
29307.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10746].end |
29309.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10746].text |
請問會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10747].start |
29309.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10747].end |
29311.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10747].text |
請問會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10748].start |
29311.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10748].end |
29313.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10748].text |
請問會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10749].start |
29313.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10749].end |
29315.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10749].text |
請問會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10750].start |
29315.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10750].end |
29317.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10750].text |
請問會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10751].start |
29317.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10751].end |
29319.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10751].text |
請問會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10752].start |
29319.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10752].end |
29321.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10752].text |
請問會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10753].start |
29321.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10753].end |
29323.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10753].text |
請問會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10754].start |
29323.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10754].end |
29325.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10754].text |
請問會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10755].start |
29325.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10755].end |
29327.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10755].text |
請問會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10756].start |
29327.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10756].end |
29329.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10756].text |
請問會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10757].start |
29303.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10757].end |
29305.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10757].text |
第13條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10758].start |
29305.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10758].end |
29307.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10758].text |
是增加這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[10759].start |
29307.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10759].end |
29309.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10759].text |
交款單寄送頻率的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10760].start |
29309.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10760].end |
29311.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10760].text |
那這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[10761].start |
29311.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10761].end |
29315.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10761].text |
是由賴會員委員所提出來的這個交款單 |
| transcript.whisperx[10762].start |
29315.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10762].end |
29318.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10762].text |
由現行的每兩個月改為按月寄送 |
| transcript.whisperx[10763].start |
29318.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10763].end |
29320.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10763].text |
那這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[10764].start |
29320.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10764].end |
29324.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10764].text |
我們今天評估也是會增加保險人的一個行政作業的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[10765].start |
29324.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10765].end |
29326.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10765].text |
那但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[10766].start |
29326.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10766].end |
29328.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10766].text |
其實在民眾的實際上的繳納金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[10767].start |
29328.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10767].end |
29330.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10767].text |
是沒有受到改變的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10768].start |
29330.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10768].end |
29332.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10768].text |
所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[10769].start |
29332.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10769].end |
29336.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10769].text |
健保的第六類被保險人也是採取雙月寄送交款單的這樣的一個做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10770].start |
29336.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10770].end |
29338.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10770].text |
所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[10771].start |
29338.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10771].end |
29340.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10771].text |
這個部分我們是建議維持原條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[10772].start |
29347.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10772].end |
29349.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10772].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[10773].start |
29357.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10773].end |
29359.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10773].text |
會不會說明嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10774].start |
29359.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10774].end |
29361.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10774].text |
會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10775].start |
29361.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10775].end |
29363.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10775].text |
會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10776].start |
29363.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10776].end |
29365.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10776].text |
會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10777].start |
29365.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10777].end |
29367.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10777].text |
會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10778].start |
29367.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10778].end |
29369.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10778].text |
會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10779].start |
29369.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10779].end |
29371.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10779].text |
會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10780].start |
29371.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10780].end |
29373.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10780].text |
會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10781].start |
29373.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10781].end |
29375.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10781].text |
會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10782].start |
29375.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10782].end |
29377.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10782].text |
會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10783].start |
29377.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10783].end |
29379.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10783].text |
會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10784].start |
29379.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10784].end |
29381.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10784].text |
會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10785].start |
29381.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10785].end |
29383.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10785].text |
會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10786].start |
29383.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10786].end |
29385.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10786].text |
會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10787].start |
29385.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10787].end |
29387.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10787].text |
會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10788].start |
29361.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10788].end |
29363.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10788].text |
會不會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10789].start |
29364.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10789].end |
29366.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10789].text |
那就維持現行條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[10790].start |
29366.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10790].end |
29368.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10790].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[10791].start |
29368.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[10791].end |
29370.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[10791].text |
現在進行第14條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10792].start |
29371.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10792].end |
29373.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10792].text |
第14條的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10793].start |
29373.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10793].end |
29375.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10793].text |
是有關於利息 |
| transcript.whisperx[10794].start |
29375.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10794].end |
29377.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10794].text |
減徵辦法的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[10795].start |
29377.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10795].end |
29379.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10795].text |
條文的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[10796].start |
29379.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10796].end |
29381.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10796].text |
那這個部分是由宗家兵委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10797].start |
29381.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10797].end |
29383.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10797].text |
所提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10798].start |
29383.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10798].end |
29385.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10798].text |
委員這邊所關心的是針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[10799].start |
29385.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10799].end |
29387.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10799].text |
經濟困難的特殊情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[10800].start |
29387.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10800].end |
29389.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10800].text |
授權主管機關另訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[10801].start |
29389.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10801].end |
29391.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10801].text |
辦法 那目前我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10802].start |
29391.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10802].end |
29393.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10802].text |
現行的持繳保費的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10803].start |
29393.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10803].end |
29395.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10803].text |
我們有相關的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10804].start |
29395.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10804].end |
29397.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10804].text |
那對於利息30元以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[10805].start |
29397.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10805].end |
29399.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10805].text |
是有一個免徵的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10806].start |
29399.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10806].end |
29401.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10806].text |
那在這邊的話委員是 |
| transcript.whisperx[10807].start |
29401.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10807].end |
29403.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10807].text |
特別又針對經濟困難的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10808].start |
29403.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10808].end |
29405.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10808].text |
特殊情況希望能夠授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[10809].start |
29405.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10809].end |
29407.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10809].text |
主管機關來另訂辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10810].start |
29407.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10810].end |
29409.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10810].text |
那這個部分的話我們是尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[10811].start |
29409.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10811].end |
29411.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10811].text |
大院的一個審議的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[10812].start |
29415.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10812].end |
29417.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10812].text |
我問看委員有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[10813].start |
29419.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[10813].end |
29421.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[10813].text |
委員有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[10814].start |
29422.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10814].end |
29424.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10814].text |
沒有意見的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[10815].start |
29424.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10815].end |
29426.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10815].text |
問行政機關那個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[10816].start |
29426.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10816].end |
29428.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10816].text |
傾向於維持現行條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[10817].start |
29428.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10817].end |
29430.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10817].text |
還是依中為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10818].start |
29431.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10818].end |
29433.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10818].text |
是否依中為人的版本提過 |
| transcript.whisperx[10819].start |
29438.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10819].end |
29440.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10819].text |
行政模板有沒有建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[10820].start |
29440.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10820].end |
29442.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10820].text |
的文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[10821].start |
29443.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10821].end |
29445.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10821].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[10822].start |
29444.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10822].end |
29446.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10822].text |
第十四條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10823].start |
29446.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10823].end |
29448.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10823].text |
文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[10824].start |
29448.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10824].end |
29450.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10824].text |
我們認為是可以做 |
| transcript.whisperx[10825].start |
29450.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10825].end |
29452.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10825].text |
就是採納這個中嘉賓委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10826].start |
29452.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10826].end |
29454.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10826].text |
的一個建議就是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[10827].start |
29454.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10827].end |
29456.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10827].text |
可以考慮到說有兩個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10828].start |
29456.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10828].end |
29458.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10828].text |
除了那個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[10829].start |
29458.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10829].end |
29460.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10829].text |
現行的30元的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10830].start |
29460.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10830].end |
29462.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10830].text |
或者是未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[10831].start |
29462.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10831].end |
29464.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10831].text |
對於這個特殊情形的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10832].start |
29464.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10832].end |
29466.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10832].text |
困難的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10833].start |
29466.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10833].end |
29468.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10833].text |
這些弱勢者的民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[10834].start |
29468.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10834].end |
29470.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10834].text |
我們對於這個部分要做一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[10835].start |
29470.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10835].end |
29472.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10835].text |
授權主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[10836].start |
29472.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10836].end |
29474.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10836].text |
另外一個辦法我們是可以接受的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10837].start |
29474.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10837].end |
29476.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10837].text |
尊重這個中委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10838].start |
29476.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10838].end |
29478.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10838].text |
的這個條文的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[10839].start |
29478.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10839].end |
29480.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10839].text |
請修正文字然後並且宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[10840].start |
29482.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10840].end |
29484.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10840].text |
那就修正文字然後宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[10841].start |
29484.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10841].end |
29486.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10841].text |
是 那就麻煩請 |
| transcript.whisperx[10842].start |
29486.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10842].end |
29488.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10842].text |
我們同仁做幕僚作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[10843].start |
29491.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10843].end |
29493.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10843].text |
多謝您的觀看 |
| transcript.whisperx[10844].start |
29494.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10844].end |
29496.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10844].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[10845].start |
29496.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10845].end |
29498.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10845].text |
在今天的會上 |
| transcript.whisperx[10846].start |
29498.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10846].end |
29500.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10846].text |
我們看到這個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[10847].start |
29500.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10847].end |
29502.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10847].text |
就是依照第一項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10848].start |
29502.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10848].end |
29504.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10848].text |
計算的利息被保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[10849].start |
29504.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10849].end |
29506.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10849].text |
人因經濟困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[10850].start |
29506.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10850].end |
29508.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10850].text |
或其他特殊情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[10851].start |
29508.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10851].end |
29510.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10851].text |
無力繳納者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10852].start |
29510.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10852].end |
29512.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10852].text |
保險人得以減增 |
| transcript.whisperx[10853].start |
29513.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10853].end |
29515.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10853].text |
帽號 其資格比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[10854].start |
29517.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10854].end |
29519.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10854].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[10855].start |
29518.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10855].end |
29520.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10855].text |
分號 |
| transcript.whisperx[10856].start |
29521.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10856].end |
29523.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10856].text |
其資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[10857].start |
29523.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10857].end |
29525.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10857].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[10858].start |
29524.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10858].end |
29526.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10858].text |
減增 |
| transcript.whisperx[10859].start |
29526.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10859].end |
29528.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10859].text |
減增 |
| transcript.whisperx[10860].start |
29528.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10860].end |
29530.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10860].text |
減增這個部分相關辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10861].start |
29530.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10861].end |
29532.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10861].text |
由中央主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10862].start |
29534.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10862].end |
29536.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10862].text |
有兩種情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[10863].start |
29536.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10863].end |
29538.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10863].text |
有免增跟減增 |
| transcript.whisperx[10864].start |
29538.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10864].end |
29540.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10864].text |
其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10865].start |
29540.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10865].end |
29542.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10865].text |
就是整體前面的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10866].start |
29542.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10866].end |
29544.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10866].text |
中央病委員的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10867].start |
29544.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10867].end |
29546.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10867].text |
減增或免增 |
| transcript.whisperx[10868].start |
29546.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10868].end |
29548.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10868].text |
有啊 就是去修正免增 |
| transcript.whisperx[10869].start |
29548.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10869].end |
29550.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10869].text |
對 這邊是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10870].start |
29550.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10870].end |
29552.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10870].text |
但是減增 |
| transcript.whisperx[10871].start |
29554.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10871].end |
29556.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10871].text |
第一項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10872].start |
29556.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10872].end |
29558.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10872].text |
得以減增或免增 |
| transcript.whisperx[10873].start |
29558.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10873].end |
29560.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10873].text |
那就不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[10874].start |
29560.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10874].end |
29562.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10874].text |
你增加部委員體驗修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[10875].start |
29564.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10875].end |
29566.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10875].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10876].start |
29566.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10876].end |
29568.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10876].text |
OK嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10877].start |
29567.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10877].end |
29569.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10877].text |
減增或免增 |
| transcript.whisperx[10878].start |
29579.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10878].end |
29581.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10878].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10879].start |
29581.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10879].end |
29583.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10879].text |
衛福部說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[10880].start |
29583.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10880].end |
29585.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10880].text |
因為對於特殊困難的無力繳納者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10881].start |
29585.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10881].end |
29587.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10881].text |
可能有一些免增的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[10882].start |
29587.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10882].end |
29589.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10882].text |
所以我們在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10883].start |
29589.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10883].end |
29591.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10883].text |
做一個比較寬的處理方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[10884].start |
29591.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10884].end |
29593.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10884].text |
所以這個部分就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[10885].start |
29593.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10885].end |
29595.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10885].text |
保險人得以減增或免增 |
| transcript.whisperx[10886].start |
29595.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10886].end |
29597.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10886].text |
那到時候我們會在相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10887].start |
29597.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10887].end |
29599.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10887].text |
辦法裡面再去明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10888].start |
29599.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10888].end |
29601.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10888].text |
這個相關的事由 |
| transcript.whisperx[10889].start |
29601.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10889].end |
29603.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10889].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[10890].start |
29609.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10890].end |
29611.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10890].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10891].start |
29611.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10891].end |
29613.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10891].text |
就是第一項的敘述 |
| transcript.whisperx[10892].start |
29613.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10892].end |
29615.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10892].text |
是跟中央病委員是一致的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10893].start |
29615.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10893].end |
29617.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10893].text |
一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10894].start |
29617.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10894].end |
29619.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10894].text |
那就 |
| transcript.whisperx[10895].start |
29619.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10895].end |
29621.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10895].text |
第十四條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10896].start |
29621.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10896].end |
29623.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10896].text |
依中委員提案修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[10897].start |
29626.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10897].end |
29628.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10897].text |
中央病委員提案修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[10898].start |
29629.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[10898].end |
29631.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[10898].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[10899].start |
29630.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10899].end |
29632.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10899].text |
提案修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[10900].start |
29632.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10900].end |
29634.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10900].text |
現在進行第十五條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10901].start |
29635.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10901].end |
29637.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10901].text |
第十五條已經通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10902].start |
29637.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10902].end |
29639.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10902].text |
是嗎 通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10903].start |
29640.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10903].end |
29642.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10903].text |
現在進行第十八條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10904].start |
29645.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10904].end |
29647.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10904].text |
第十八條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10905].start |
29647.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10905].end |
29649.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10905].text |
是增訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[10906].start |
29649.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10906].end |
29651.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10906].text |
生育給付放寬情隱的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10907].start |
29651.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10907].end |
29653.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10907].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10908].start |
29653.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10908].end |
29655.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10908].text |
是牛徐庭委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10909].start |
29655.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10909].end |
29657.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10909].text |
三案所提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10910].start |
29657.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10910].end |
29659.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10910].text |
這邊特別有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[10911].start |
29659.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10911].end |
29661.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10911].text |
退保後一年內 |
| transcript.whisperx[10912].start |
29661.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10912].end |
29663.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10912].text |
一年人得情隱 |
| transcript.whisperx[10913].start |
29663.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10913].end |
29665.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10913].text |
生育給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[10914].start |
29665.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10914].end |
29667.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10914].text |
這個部分先跟各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10915].start |
29667.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10915].end |
29669.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10915].text |
做一個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[10916].start |
29669.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10916].end |
29671.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10916].text |
就是本部已經納入在施行細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[10917].start |
29671.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10917].end |
29673.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10917].text |
第四十四條之三已經明定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[10918].start |
29673.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10918].end |
29675.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10918].text |
那因為跟被保險的權益事項有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[10919].start |
29675.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10919].end |
29677.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10919].text |
所以委員特別有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[10920].start |
29677.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10920].end |
29679.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10920].text |
是說能夠進一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[10921].start |
29679.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10921].end |
29681.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10921].text |
提升到法律未接一列 |
| transcript.whisperx[10922].start |
29681.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10922].end |
29683.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10922].text |
母法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10923].start |
29683.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10923].end |
29685.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10923].text |
那這個部分本部是 |
| transcript.whisperx[10924].start |
29685.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10924].end |
29687.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10924].text |
儘表尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[10925].start |
29689.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10925].end |
29691.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10925].text |
請王一鳴委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10926].start |
29691.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10926].end |
29693.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10926].text |
那個牛委員特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[10927].start |
29693.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10927].end |
29695.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10927].text |
拜託我幫他講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[10928].start |
29695.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10928].end |
29697.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10928].text |
這個部分也謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[10929].start |
29697.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10929].end |
29699.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10929].text |
衛福部這個事先的溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[10930].start |
29699.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10930].end |
29701.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10930].text |
大家都同意牛委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10931].start |
29701.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10931].end |
29703.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10931].text |
還有徐庭委員他這樣的一個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10932].start |
29703.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10932].end |
29705.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10932].text |
那這個主要 |
| transcript.whisperx[10933].start |
29705.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10933].end |
29707.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10933].text |
其實是把原來衛福部的函式 |
| transcript.whisperx[10934].start |
29707.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10934].end |
29709.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10934].text |
就是將它入母法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10935].start |
29709.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10935].end |
29711.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10935].text |
就讓它更明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[10936].start |
29711.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10936].end |
29713.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10936].text |
那這個其實也是讓我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[10937].start |
29713.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10937].end |
29715.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10937].text |
這一些受保險人 |
| transcript.whisperx[10938].start |
29715.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10938].end |
29717.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10938].text |
他的生育給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[10939].start |
29717.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10939].end |
29719.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10939].text |
他可以追溯 |
| transcript.whisperx[10940].start |
29719.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10940].end |
29721.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10940].text |
從113年4月15號 |
| transcript.whisperx[10941].start |
29721.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10941].end |
29723.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10941].text |
他可以追溯5年 |
| transcript.whisperx[10942].start |
29723.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10942].end |
29725.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10942].text |
發給的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[10943].start |
29725.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10943].end |
29727.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10943].text |
那我想這個也不會造成 |
| transcript.whisperx[10944].start |
29727.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10944].end |
29729.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10944].text |
整個政府太多的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[10945].start |
29729.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10945].end |
29731.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10945].text |
但是我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[10946].start |
29731.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10946].end |
29733.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10946].text |
也是少子化 |
| transcript.whisperx[10947].start |
29733.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10947].end |
29735.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10947].text |
我們也要照顧這一些辛苦的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10948].start |
29735.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10948].end |
29737.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10948].text |
這一些產婦們 |
| transcript.whisperx[10949].start |
29737.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10949].end |
29739.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10949].text |
所以就是說把你們的函式 |
| transcript.whisperx[10950].start |
29739.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10950].end |
29741.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10950].text |
列到這個母法這邊來 |
| transcript.whisperx[10951].start |
29741.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10951].end |
29743.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10951].text |
那我想這一個也是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[10952].start |
29743.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10952].end |
29745.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10952].text |
很好的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[10953].start |
29745.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10953].end |
29747.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10953].text |
那今天我們就先把這個法律未接 |
| transcript.whisperx[10954].start |
29747.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10954].end |
29749.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10954].text |
然後讓它明確化 |
| transcript.whisperx[10955].start |
29749.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10955].end |
29751.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10955].text |
以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[10956].start |
29751.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[10956].end |
29753.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[10956].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[10957].start |
29752.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10957].end |
29754.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10957].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[10958].start |
29754.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10958].end |
29756.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10958].text |
文字是否完全依照你們說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10959].start |
29759.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10959].end |
29761.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10959].text |
這個條文的部分就按照 |
| transcript.whisperx[10960].start |
29761.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10960].end |
29763.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10960].text |
牛許廷委員所提的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[10961].start |
29763.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10961].end |
29765.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10961].text |
修法建議圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[10962].start |
29765.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10962].end |
29767.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10962].text |
好謝謝 那就第18條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10963].start |
29767.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10963].end |
29769.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10963].text |
按照牛許廷委員提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10964].start |
29769.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10964].end |
29771.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10964].text |
提案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[10965].start |
29772.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10965].end |
29774.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10965].text |
現在進行第28條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10966].start |
29774.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10966].end |
29776.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10966].text |
第28條的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[10967].start |
29776.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10967].end |
29778.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10967].text |
主要的部分是針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[10968].start |
29778.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10968].end |
29780.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10968].text |
這個國保的請求權 |
| transcript.whisperx[10969].start |
29780.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10969].end |
29782.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10969].text |
實效的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10970].start |
29782.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10970].end |
29784.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10970].text |
那這個條文主要是 |
| transcript.whisperx[10971].start |
29784.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10971].end |
29786.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10971].text |
賴會員委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10972].start |
29786.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10972].end |
29788.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10972].text |
所提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10973].start |
29788.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10973].end |
29790.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10973].text |
這邊委員所提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10974].start |
29790.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10974].end |
29792.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10974].text |
建議是希望能夠將 |
| transcript.whisperx[10975].start |
29792.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10975].end |
29794.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10975].text |
請求權實效延長為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10976].start |
29794.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10976].end |
29796.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10976].text |
十年 那因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10977].start |
29796.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10977].end |
29798.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10977].text |
這個部分是涉到 |
| transcript.whisperx[10978].start |
29798.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10978].end |
29800.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10978].text |
實務作業的一些查證 |
| transcript.whisperx[10979].start |
29800.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10979].end |
29802.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10979].text |
因為主要的部分就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[10980].start |
29802.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10980].end |
29804.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10980].text |
因為國保有很多的一些法律狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[10981].start |
29804.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10981].end |
29806.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10981].text |
他們必須要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[10982].start |
29806.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10982].end |
29808.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10982].text |
實務上的一些查證 |
| transcript.whisperx[10983].start |
29808.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10983].end |
29810.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10983].text |
而且有些相關的外部資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10984].start |
29810.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10984].end |
29812.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10984].text |
它的保存期限未必能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[10985].start |
29812.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10985].end |
29814.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10985].text |
保存到十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[10986].start |
29814.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10986].end |
29816.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10986].text |
如果說這邊的請求權 |
| transcript.whisperx[10987].start |
29816.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10987].end |
29818.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10987].text |
實效是到十年的話可能會增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[10988].start |
29818.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10988].end |
29820.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10988].text |
這個法律安定性的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[10989].start |
29820.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10989].end |
29822.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10989].text |
造成法律的不穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10990].start |
29822.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10990].end |
29824.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10990].text |
那所以呢造成幾乎 |
| transcript.whisperx[10991].start |
29824.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10991].end |
29826.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10991].text |
合乎上的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[10992].start |
29826.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10992].end |
29828.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10992].text |
疑義 那因此在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10993].start |
29828.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10993].end |
29830.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10993].text |
我們是希望能夠維持 |
| transcript.whisperx[10994].start |
29830.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10994].end |
29832.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10994].text |
這個規定性條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[10995].start |
29835.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10995].end |
29837.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10995].text |
好 請問我有沒有一件 |
| transcript.whisperx[10996].start |
29838.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10996].end |
29840.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10996].text |
那就維持現行條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[10997].start |
29843.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10997].end |
29845.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10997].text |
現在進行第30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10998].start |
29846.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[10998].end |
29848.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[10998].text |
第30條的部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[10999].start |
29848.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[10999].end |
29850.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[10999].text |
針對老年年金的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11000].start |
29850.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11000].end |
29852.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11000].text |
勤領規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[11001].start |
29852.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11001].end |
29854.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11001].text |
那這邊的勤領規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[11002].start |
29854.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11002].end |
29856.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11002].text |
30條這邊是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11003].start |
29856.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11003].end |
29858.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11003].text |
有特別提到基本溯 |
| transcript.whisperx[11004].start |
29858.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11004].end |
29860.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11004].text |
也有提到經費負擔歸屬的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11005].start |
29860.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11005].end |
29862.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11005].text |
一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[11006].start |
29862.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11006].end |
29864.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11006].text |
那因為它 |
| transcript.whisperx[11007].start |
29864.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11007].end |
29866.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11007].text |
這個30條的條文會跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[11008].start |
29866.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11008].end |
29868.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11008].text |
待會討論的54條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[11009].start |
29868.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11009].end |
29870.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11009].text |
的基本溯跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[11010].start |
29870.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11010].end |
29872.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11010].text |
條文的第36條的經費負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[11011].start |
29872.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11011].end |
29874.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11011].text |
是有關的 那這邊是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11012].start |
29874.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11012].end |
29876.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11012].text |
運同討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[11013].start |
29876.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[11013].end |
29878.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[11013].text |
可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[11014].start |
29878.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[11014].end |
29880.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[11014].text |
30條、36條跟54條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[11015].start |
29884.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[11015].end |
29886.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[11015].text |
但是這一條要先 |
| transcript.whisperx[11016].start |
29886.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[11016].end |
29888.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[11016].text |
先提出他的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[11017].start |
29889.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[11017].end |
29891.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[11017].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[11018].start |
29892.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11018].end |
29894.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11018].text |
30條請問委員沒見 |
| transcript.whisperx[11019].start |
29900.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[11019].end |
29902.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[11019].text |
好 請李玉琴 詹委 |
| transcript.whisperx[11020].start |
29917.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11020].end |
29919.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11020].text |
跟得上物價 |
| transcript.whisperx[11021].start |
29919.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11021].end |
29921.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11021].text |
所以這次我的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[11022].start |
29921.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11022].end |
29923.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11022].text |
大概也把老年基本的保障金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[11023].start |
29923.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11023].end |
29925.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11023].text |
提高到5000 |
| transcript.whisperx[11024].start |
29925.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11024].end |
29927.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11024].text |
然後生產障礙基本保障年金 |
| transcript.whisperx[11025].start |
29927.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11025].end |
29929.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11025].text |
也提高到6715元 |
| transcript.whisperx[11026].start |
29930 |
| transcript.whisperx[11026].end |
29932 |
| transcript.whisperx[11026].text |
這個條幅也超過23% |
| transcript.whisperx[11027].start |
29932 |
| transcript.whisperx[11027].end |
29934 |
| transcript.whisperx[11027].text |
是希望減輕大家生活壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[11028].start |
29935.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11028].end |
29937.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11028].text |
不過當然我要特別提醒的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11029].start |
29937.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11029].end |
29939.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11029].text |
國民年金除了老人年金還包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[11030].start |
29939.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11030].end |
29941.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11030].text |
身障、傷障等 |
| transcript.whisperx[11031].start |
29941.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11031].end |
29943.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11031].text |
多項的給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11032].start |
29943.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11032].end |
29945.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11032].text |
經費大概都是來自公務預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[11033].start |
29945.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11033].end |
29947.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11033].text |
所以一定要兼顧到照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[11034].start |
29947.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11034].end |
29949.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11034].text |
人民 可是也要兼顧到財政永續 |
| transcript.whisperx[11035].start |
29949.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11035].end |
29951.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11035].text |
我相信這位府應該要去考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[11036].start |
29951.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11036].end |
29953.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11036].text |
所以另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[11037].start |
29953.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11037].end |
29955.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11037].text |
當然我今天還是要提 |
| transcript.whisperx[11038].start |
29955.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11038].end |
29957.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11038].text |
很多民眾發聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[11039].start |
29957.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11039].end |
29959.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11039].text |
為什麼這樣提 |
| transcript.whisperx[11040].start |
29959.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11040].end |
29961.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11040].text |
行政院原本規劃7月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[11041].start |
29961.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11041].end |
29963.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11041].text |
就調升年金 |
| transcript.whisperx[11042].start |
29963.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11042].end |
29965.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11042].text |
跟我們的六大社福今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[11043].start |
29965.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11043].end |
29967.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11043].text |
可是因為修法跟預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[11044].start |
29967.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11044].end |
29969.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11044].text |
程序的延拓 |
| transcript.whisperx[11045].start |
29969.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11045].end |
29971.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11045].text |
到現在大家都還在等 |
| transcript.whisperx[11046].start |
29971.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11046].end |
29973.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11046].text |
這段時間我收到了很多長輩 |
| transcript.whisperx[11047].start |
29973.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11047].end |
29975.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11047].text |
身障朋友跟家屬的陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[11048].start |
29975.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11048].end |
29977.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11048].text |
他們一直在問我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11049].start |
29977.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11049].end |
29979.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11049].text |
到底什麼時候才會調 |
| transcript.whisperx[11050].start |
29979.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11050].end |
29981.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11050].text |
因為現在修法在卡著 |
| transcript.whisperx[11051].start |
29981.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11051].end |
29983.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11051].text |
還有一個事實上是預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[11052].start |
29983.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11052].end |
29985.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11052].text |
尤其是六大社福今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[11053].start |
29985.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11053].end |
29987.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11053].text |
如果這個年金事實上是要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[11054].start |
29987.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11054].end |
29989.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11054].text |
照顧身障、身障照顧長輩的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[11055].start |
29989.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11055].end |
29991.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11055].text |
可能有沒有要去考慮到 |
| transcript.whisperx[11056].start |
29991.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11056].end |
29993.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11056].text |
我們的那個六大社福今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[11057].start |
29993.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11057].end |
29995.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11057].text |
所以當然我今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[11058].start |
29995.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11058].end |
29997.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11058].text |
也會針對第59條 |
| transcript.whisperx[11059].start |
29997.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11059].end |
29999.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11059].text |
會提出附帶決議 |
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29999.68 |
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30001.68 |
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要求法案通過後 |
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30001.68 |
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回溯到今年7月1號來計算 |
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不要讓人民因為程序的延拓 |
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30005.68 |
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而領不到錢 |
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只是少領 |
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當然我們也希望六大社福今天 |
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一併適用回溯的機制 |
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把人民因應有的權益完整 |
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還給大家 |
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因為我覺得人民的生活不能等 |
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該給的保障就要完整給準時給 |
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所以我希望今天能夠儘速地去 |
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通過我們國民年金的調升 |
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確診醫生 |
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第30條他們一個行政期間 |
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希望先依照哪個版本說 |
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選擇日光是要按照哪一個 |
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非常感謝 |
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林鄭行委委員對於這個議題的 |
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一個反應我想這個確實 |
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民眾這一點很多事實上都 |
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30053.45 |
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屬於弱勢民眾那我想整個 |
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30053.45 |
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30055.45 |
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這一個政府的這個美意 |
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30055.45 |
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30057.45 |
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我想不應該隨著這個時間 |
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30057.45 |
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而被耽擱 |
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那也確實最近整個通貨膨脹 |
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也確實蠻嚴重 |
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所以我們基本上我們也 |
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願意來支持 |
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30067.45 |
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這樣的一個附帶決議 |
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30069.45 |
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感謝委員謝謝 |
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30070.91 |
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30072.91 |
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那第30條是按照哪一個委員的學證 |
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30074.27 |
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30076.27 |
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要不要先呈現一下修正文字 |
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30086.37 |
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嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[11094].start |
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30條的部分他 |
| transcript.whisperx[11095].start |
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30092.12 |
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其實是跟54條之一的 |
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30092.12 |
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30094.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[11096].text |
基本溯爾是有相關的 |
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30094.12 |
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主要的部分是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[11098].start |
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30098.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[11098].text |
特別明確的寫 |
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30100.12 |
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那所以假設54條的 |
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30100.12 |
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30102.12 |
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54條之一的基本溯爾 |
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30102.12 |
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30104.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[11101].text |
經過大院的討論之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[11102].start |
30104.12 |
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30106.12 |
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確定基本溯爾是多少的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[11103].start |
30106.12 |
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30108.12 |
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30條的老年年金的這邊 |
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30108.12 |
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30110.12 |
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相關的規定就配合就一致性 |
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30110.12 |
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30112.12 |
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讓他這個 |
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30112.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[11106].end |
30114.12 |
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溯爾是明確的 |
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30114.12 |
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30116.12 |
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所以剛才有跟各位人報告 |
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30116.12 |
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30118.12 |
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就是說這個30條老年年金的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11109].start |
30118.12 |
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30120.12 |
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請你規定是要配合 |
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30120.12 |
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30122.12 |
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54條之一以及 |
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30122.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[11111].end |
30124.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[11111].text |
這個36條的經費負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[11112].start |
30124.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[11112].end |
30126.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[11112].text |
的歸屬一起並同來做討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[11113].start |
30126.12 |
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30128.12 |
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以上報告 |
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30137.31 |
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30139.31 |
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謝謝 |
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30138.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11115].end |
30140.19 |
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因為跟委員報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[11116].start |
30140.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11116].end |
30142.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11116].text |
跟召委報告一下其實今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[11117].start |
30142.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11117].end |
30144.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11117].text |
前面很多條文都是跟54條 |
| transcript.whisperx[11118].start |
30144.19 |
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30146.19 |
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之一是有關的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[11119].start |
30146.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11119].end |
30148.19 |
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那54條之一就是因為基本溯爾 |
| transcript.whisperx[11120].start |
30148.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11120].end |
30150.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11120].text |
雖然行政院院長本來是提出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[11121].start |
30150.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11121].end |
30152.19 |
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就是23.5的一個幅度 |
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30152.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11122].end |
30154.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11122].text |
的一個調整但是因為委員 |
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30154.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11123].end |
30156.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11123].text |
有諸多的一些不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11124].start |
30156.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11124].end |
30158.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11124].text |
版本出來那所以這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[11125].start |
30158.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11125].end |
30160.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11125].text |
的話就是因為涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[11126].start |
30160.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11126].end |
30162.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11126].text |
經費負擔的問題所以這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[11127].start |
30162.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11127].end |
30164.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11127].text |
是不是跟委員報告如果有連動性 |
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30164.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11128].end |
30166.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11128].text |
的話其實是 |
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30166.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11129].end |
30168.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11129].text |
還是要先討論還是先保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[11130].start |
30168.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11130].end |
30170.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11130].text |
建議是不是先討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[11131].start |
30170.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11131].end |
30172.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11131].text |
54條之一再回過頭 |
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30172.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11132].end |
30174.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11132].text |
30條先保留 |
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30174.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11133].end |
30176.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11133].text |
30條先保留 |
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30176.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[11134].end |
30178.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[11134].text |
先保留 等一會再回來 |
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30178.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[11135].end |
30180.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[11135].text |
我覺得如果剛剛講說54條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[11136].start |
30180.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[11136].end |
30182.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[11136].text |
跟很多都有關連性要不要先 |
| transcript.whisperx[11137].start |
30182.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[11137].end |
30184.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[11137].text |
討論54條之一 好不好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[11138].start |
30186.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[11138].end |
30188.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[11138].text |
那就是先 |
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30188.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[11139].end |
30190.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[11139].text |
討論第 |
| transcript.whisperx[11140].start |
30190.73 |
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30192.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[11140].text |
對 30條保留然後現在進行第54條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[11141].start |
30196.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11141].end |
30198.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11141].text |
請行政單位說明 |
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30202.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11142].end |
30204.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11142].text |
54條之一的話這邊就 |
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30204.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11143].end |
30206.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11143].text |
有非常多的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[11144].start |
30206.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11144].end |
30208.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11144].text |
有提出這個針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[11145].start |
30208.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11145].end |
30210.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11145].text |
基本溯爾的一個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[11146].start |
30210.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11146].end |
30212.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11146].text |
那54條之一這邊 |
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30212.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11147].end |
30214.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11147].text |
有特別提到的是包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[11148].start |
30214.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11148].end |
30216.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11148].text |
第一個是基本溯爾 |
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30216.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11149].end |
30218.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11149].text |
第二個是調整機制 |
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30218.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11150].end |
30220.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11150].text |
第三個是CPI第四個是 |
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30220.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11151].end |
30222.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11151].text |
請領條件那這個部分 |
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30222.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11152].end |
30224.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11152].text |
就先跟大家報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[11153].start |
30224.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11153].end |
30226.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11153].text |
就是54條之一應該是這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[11154].start |
30226.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11154].end |
30228.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11154].text |
非常關鍵的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[11155].start |
30228.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11155].end |
30230.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11155].text |
那在這邊的關鍵條文裡面的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11156].start |
30230.03 |
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30232.03 |
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例如像 |
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| transcript.whisperx[11157].end |
30234.03 |
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有諸多委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[11158].start |
30234.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11158].end |
30236.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11158].text |
是跟行政院版的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[11159].start |
30236.03 |
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30238.03 |
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是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11160].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[11160].end |
30240.03 |
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那這是第一個部分 |
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30240.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11161].end |
30242.03 |
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那當然也有委員所提出來的基本溯爾 |
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30242.03 |
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30244.03 |
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是就是跟行政院版本 |
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30244.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11163].end |
30246.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11163].text |
是不一樣的這邊就有 |
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30248.03 |
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34案所以我們一年 |
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30248.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11165].end |
30250.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11165].text |
所預估的經費就相當於 |
| transcript.whisperx[11166].start |
30250.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11166].end |
30252.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11166].text |
要再增加73億到 |
| transcript.whisperx[11167].start |
30252.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11167].end |
30254.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11167].text |
831億這個數 |
| transcript.whisperx[11168].start |
30254.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11168].end |
30256.03 |
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就增加的幅度是 |
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不等的這是第一個部分 |
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第二個部分的話是 |
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針對民眾黨黨團 |
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這邊所提出來的CPI |
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他是採取高齡 |
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30268.03 |
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家庭的CPI的成長率 |
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30270.03 |
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來作為調整的機制 |
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那剛才我們也特別 |
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提出來一個說明就是說 |
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現行的國保給付的請領 |
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的家庭未必是 |
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屬於高齡族群 |
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所以呢這邊我們是不適用 |
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高齡指標 |
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那這個部分也跟大家做一個 |
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報告所以要建議是 |
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按照行政院的版本 |
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來通過的 |
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30294.03 |
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那其他的部分的話就是 |
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有提到說中央 |
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30298.03 |
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地方共同負擔的這個部分的話 |
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這邊也是尊重委員所提出來的 |
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30302.03 |
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一個討論的結果以上 |
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請邱委員 |
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調整到8057這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11194].start |
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這個金額 |
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30341.54 |
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那第二個問題就是因為我們覺得這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11196].start |
30341.54 |
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30343.54 |
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數字應該是要隨著物價指數 |
| transcript.whisperx[11197].start |
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30345.54 |
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通膨因素調薪 |
| transcript.whisperx[11198].start |
30345.54 |
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30347.54 |
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等等的因素去做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11199].start |
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30349.54 |
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彈性的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[11200].start |
30349.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11200].end |
30351.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11200].text |
那彈性的調整應該要定期才能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[11201].start |
30351.54 |
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30353.54 |
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周全到這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[11202].start |
30353.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11202].end |
30355.54 |
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受給負責的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[11203].start |
30355.54 |
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30357.54 |
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所以我們就參考那個農民退休 |
| transcript.whisperx[11204].start |
30357.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11204].end |
30359.54 |
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儲金條例跟農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[11205].start |
30359.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11205].end |
30361.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11205].text |
退休儲金條例的施行細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[11206].start |
30361.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11206].end |
30363.54 |
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就是把那個調整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11207].start |
30363.54 |
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期程的時間從 |
| transcript.whisperx[11208].start |
30365.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11208].end |
30367.54 |
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四年縮短為兩年這是第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11209].start |
30367.54 |
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30369.54 |
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地方那當然衛福部剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[11210].start |
30369.54 |
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30371.54 |
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這邊已經提到說台灣民眾黨有提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[11211].start |
30371.54 |
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30373.54 |
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因為調整要參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[11212].start |
30373.54 |
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30375.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11212].text |
一些消費者物價指數 |
| transcript.whisperx[11213].start |
30375.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11213].end |
30377.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11213].text |
消費者物價指數我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[11214].start |
30377.54 |
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30379.54 |
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就是研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[11215].start |
30379.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11215].end |
30381.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11215].text |
之後覺得高齡家庭消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[11216].start |
30381.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11216].end |
30383.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11216].text |
物價指數因為他比較能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[11217].start |
30383.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11217].end |
30385.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11217].text |
反映出醫療的權重 |
| transcript.whisperx[11218].start |
30385.54 |
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30387.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11218].text |
食物的權重 |
| transcript.whisperx[11219].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[11219].end |
30389.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11219].text |
所以我們才進來這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11220].start |
30389.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11220].end |
30391.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11220].text |
高齡家庭消費者物價指數 |
| transcript.whisperx[11221].start |
30391.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11221].end |
30393.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11221].text |
不過衛福部這邊是有提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11222].start |
30393.54 |
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30395.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11222].text |
因為請點的人未必是高齡 |
| transcript.whisperx[11223].start |
30395.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11223].end |
30397.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11223].text |
所以就是請我們再思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[11224].start |
30397.54 |
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30399.54 |
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斟酌一下這樣那我們再思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[11225].start |
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30401.54 |
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以上說明謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[11226].start |
30403.77 |
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30405.77 |
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請王明委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[11227].start |
30406.08 |
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30408.08 |
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這個這一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[11228].start |
30408.08 |
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30410.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11228].text |
其實是很關鍵的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[11229].start |
30410.08 |
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30412.08 |
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那我是不是建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[11230].start |
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30414.08 |
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這個衛福部就是針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[11231].start |
30414.08 |
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30416.08 |
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因為你們的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[11232].start |
30416.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11232].end |
30418.08 |
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是五千嘛那國民黨黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[11233].start |
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30420.08 |
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的版本其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11234].start |
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30422.08 |
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六千那所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[11235].start |
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30424.08 |
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就是說其實增加幅度也不算 |
| transcript.whisperx[11236].start |
30424.08 |
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30426.08 |
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很大你們要不要去精算 |
| transcript.whisperx[11237].start |
30426.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11237].end |
30428.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11237].text |
一下就是說在 |
| transcript.whisperx[11238].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[11238].end |
30430.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11238].text |
行政院的版本跟黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[11239].start |
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30432.08 |
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的版本之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[11240].start |
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30434.08 |
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就是如果再增加一千 |
| transcript.whisperx[11241].start |
30434.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11241].end |
30436.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11241].text |
總體的支出可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[11242].start |
30436.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11242].end |
30438.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11242].text |
大概會增加多少我不知道你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[11243].start |
30438.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11243].end |
30440.08 |
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是不是已經精算過 |
| transcript.whisperx[11244].start |
30440.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11244].end |
30442.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11244].text |
因為這一個就是說大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[11245].start |
30442.08 |
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30444.08 |
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都是利益良善就是說既然 |
| transcript.whisperx[11246].start |
30444.08 |
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30446.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11246].text |
這次要改了也希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11247].start |
30446.08 |
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30448.08 |
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是真的可以幫到 |
| transcript.whisperx[11248].start |
30448.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11248].end |
30450.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11248].text |
這一些領年金的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11249].start |
30450.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11249].end |
30452.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11249].text |
朋友就是真的對他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11250].start |
30452.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11250].end |
30454.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11250].text |
生活有一些改善那真的我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11251].start |
30454.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11251].end |
30456.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11251].text |
物價上漲的速度其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11252].start |
30456.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11252].end |
30458.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11252].text |
太快了那雖然這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11253].start |
30458.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11253].end |
30460.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11253].text |
政府你們這次的版本也已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[11254].start |
30460.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11254].end |
30462.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11254].text |
調高基數是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11255].start |
30462.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11255].end |
30464.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11255].text |
二三點五但是因為基期 |
| transcript.whisperx[11256].start |
30464.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11256].end |
30466.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11256].text |
很低啦所以這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[11257].start |
30466.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11257].end |
30468.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11257].text |
我覺得是關鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[11258].start |
30468.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11258].end |
30470.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11258].text |
是不是你們可以再精算 |
| transcript.whisperx[11259].start |
30470.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11259].end |
30472.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11259].text |
一下那如果可以我們當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[11260].start |
30472.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11260].end |
30474.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11260].text |
是希望可以給這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[11261].start |
30474.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11261].end |
30476.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11261].text |
那國保的將來 |
| transcript.whisperx[11262].start |
30476.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11262].end |
30478.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11262].text |
要領年金這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[11263].start |
30478.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11263].end |
30480.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11263].text |
人給他們更好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11264].start |
30480.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11264].end |
30482.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11264].text |
待遇那所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[11265].start |
30482.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11265].end |
30484.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11265].text |
這個部分我是希望你們可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[11266].start |
30484.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11266].end |
30486.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11266].text |
再去精算一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[11267].start |
30486.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11267].end |
30488.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11267].text |
大家的利益都是好的只是那一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[11268].start |
30488.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11268].end |
30490.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[11268].text |
線 |
| transcript.whisperx[11269].start |
30490.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11269].end |
30492.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11269].text |
話在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[11270].start |
30492.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[11270].end |
30494.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[11270].text |
那我覺得大家可以再思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[11271].start |
30495.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11271].end |
30497.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11271].text |
請停止 |
| transcript.whisperx[11272].start |
30497.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11272].end |
30499.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11272].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[11273].start |
30499.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11273].end |
30501.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11273].text |
就叫一下衛福部當初 |
| transcript.whisperx[11274].start |
30501.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11274].end |
30503.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11274].text |
考慮應該還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11275].start |
30503.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11275].end |
30505.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11275].text |
要跟其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11276].start |
30505.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11276].end |
30507.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11276].text |
像老龍今天大概調伏多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[11277].start |
30507.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11277].end |
30509.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11277].text |
否則的話這邊高車很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[11278].start |
30509.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11278].end |
30511.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11278].text |
然後有的又低到很低 |
| transcript.whisperx[11279].start |
30511.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11279].end |
30513.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11279].text |
有這樣子的一個考量嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[11280].start |
30513.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11280].end |
30515.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11280].text |
否則大家剛剛前面講真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11281].start |
30515.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11281].end |
30517.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11281].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[11282].start |
30517.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11282].end |
30519.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11282].text |
物價上漲的話我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[11283].start |
30519.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11283].end |
30521.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11283].text |
現行制度這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11284].start |
30521.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11284].end |
30523.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11284].text |
金額到底能不能滿足 |
| transcript.whisperx[11285].start |
30523.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11285].end |
30525.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11285].text |
現行他們生活當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[11286].start |
30525.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11286].end |
30527.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11286].text |
所需 |
| transcript.whisperx[11287].start |
30527.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11287].end |
30529.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11287].text |
因為如果基本數比較偏低 |
| transcript.whisperx[11288].start |
30529.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11288].end |
30531.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11288].text |
就會很難反應那個通貨棚 |
| transcript.whisperx[11289].start |
30531.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11289].end |
30533.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11289].text |
的那個壓力在 |
| transcript.whisperx[11290].start |
30533.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11290].end |
30535.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11290].text |
也可能沒有辦法去 |
| transcript.whisperx[11291].start |
30535.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11291].end |
30537.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11291].text |
滋陰民眾生活最基本所需 |
| transcript.whisperx[11292].start |
30537.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11292].end |
30539.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11292].text |
所以可是還是有其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[11293].start |
30539.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11293].end |
30541.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11293].text |
要考量的否則的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11294].start |
30541.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11294].end |
30543.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11294].text |
你生了這個另外一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11295].start |
30543.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11295].end |
30545.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11295].text |
你沒有那是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11296].start |
30545.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11296].end |
30547.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11296].text |
全部通體要一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[11297].start |
30547.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11297].end |
30549.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11297].text |
要去做處理還是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11298].start |
30549.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11298].end |
30551.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11298].text |
有考慮到這一塊所以是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11299].start |
30551.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11299].end |
30553.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11299].text |
等於你們也請一併回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[11300].start |
30553.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11300].end |
30555.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11300].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[11301].start |
30555.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[11301].end |
30557.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[11301].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[11302].start |
30556.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[11302].end |
30558.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[11302].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[11303].start |
30586.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[11303].end |
30588.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[11303].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[11304].start |
30596.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11304].end |
30598.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11304].text |
那我們現在目前就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11305].start |
30598.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11305].end |
30600.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11305].text |
他等於一個座標 |
| transcript.whisperx[11306].start |
30600.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11306].end |
30602.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11306].text |
已經訂下來之後我們整個全部 |
| transcript.whisperx[11307].start |
30602.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11307].end |
30604.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11307].text |
這一個其他金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[11308].start |
30604.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11308].end |
30606.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11308].text |
全部都是對齊 |
| transcript.whisperx[11309].start |
30606.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11309].end |
30608.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11309].text |
所以這個是一個整個這個背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[11310].start |
30608.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11310].end |
30610.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11310].text |
那我可以理解現在目前就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11311].start |
30610.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11311].end |
30612.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11311].text |
可能我們也希望能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[11312].start |
30612.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11312].end |
30614.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11312].text |
能夠再高一點可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11313].start |
30614.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11313].end |
30616.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11313].text |
現在目前就成如剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[11314].start |
30616.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11314].end |
30618.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11314].text |
右行文委員剛剛所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11315].start |
30618.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11315].end |
30620.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11315].text |
如果說我們現在一旦這樣調高的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11316].start |
30620.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11316].end |
30622.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11316].text |
我們預估如果說到 |
| transcript.whisperx[11317].start |
30622.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11317].end |
30624.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[11317].text |
6000的話調伏事實上是48.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[11318].start |
30624.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[11318].end |
30626.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[11318].text |
那我也跟委員報告我們現在目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[11319].start |
30626.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[11319].end |
30628.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[11319].text |
光調這個23.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[11320].start |
30628.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[11320].end |
30630.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[11320].text |
其他的這個六大津貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[11321].start |
30630.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[11321].end |
30632.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[11321].text |
已經增加是860.5億 |
| transcript.whisperx[11322].start |
30632.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[11322].end |
30634.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[11322].text |
那我們曾經算過 |
| transcript.whisperx[11323].start |
30634.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[11323].end |
30636.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[11323].text |
如果到6000的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11324].start |
30637.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[11324].end |
30639.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[11324].text |
是1032.5億 |
| transcript.whisperx[11325].start |
30639.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[11325].end |
30641.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[11325].text |
好那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11326].start |
30641.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11326].end |
30643.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11326].text |
第一個就是很平行的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[11327].start |
30643.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11327].end |
30645.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11327].text |
我想最主要就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11328].start |
30645.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11328].end |
30647.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11328].text |
現在目前如果這邊一旦調的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11329].start |
30647.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11329].end |
30649.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11329].text |
那可能老龍今天那邊可能會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11330].start |
30649.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11330].end |
30651.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11330].text |
喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[11331].start |
30651.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11331].end |
30653.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11331].text |
我們現在目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[11332].start |
30653.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11332].end |
30655.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11332].text |
1萬多 |
| transcript.whisperx[11333].start |
30655.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11333].end |
30657.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11333].text |
是1萬嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[11334].start |
30657.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11334].end |
30659.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11334].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[11335].start |
30659.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11335].end |
30661.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11335].text |
我們現在已經調到1萬了 |
| transcript.whisperx[11336].start |
30661.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11336].end |
30663.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11336].text |
原先我記得好像是8 |
| transcript.whisperx[11337].start |
30665.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11337].end |
30667.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11337].text |
所以你的23.5又可能會被調 |
| transcript.whisperx[11338].start |
30667.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11338].end |
30669.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11338].text |
你這邊就會變低了喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[11339].start |
30673.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[11339].end |
30675.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[11339].text |
好請政廳常委 |
| transcript.whisperx[11340].start |
30681.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11340].end |
30683.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11340].text |
好因為這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11341].start |
30683.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11341].end |
30685.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11341].text |
因為有黨團的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11342].start |
30685.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11342].end |
30687.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11342].text |
有民眾黨團的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11343].start |
30687.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11343].end |
30689.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11343].text |
也有國民黨團的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11344].start |
30690.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11344].end |
30692.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11344].text |
所以我的建議就是說這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11345].start |
30692.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11345].end |
30694.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11345].text |
是不是就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11346].start |
30694.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11346].end |
30696.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11346].text |
保留送協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[11347].start |
30696.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11347].end |
30698.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11347].text |
因為他也涉及到其他的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[11348].start |
30698.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11348].end |
30700.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11348].text |
對對對 |
| transcript.whisperx[11349].start |
30701.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[11349].end |
30703.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[11349].text |
剛才講的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11350].start |
30703.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11350].end |
30705.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11350].text |
老龍那個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11351].start |
30705.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11351].end |
30707.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11351].text |
也會跟老龍那邊聯動 |
| transcript.whisperx[11352].start |
30707.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11352].end |
30709.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11352].text |
都會涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[11353].start |
30709.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11353].end |
30711.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11353].text |
所以要黨團要共同來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[11354].start |
30711.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11354].end |
30713.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11354].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[11355].start |
30713.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11355].end |
30715.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11355].text |
好聯議全裁委 |
| transcript.whisperx[11356].start |
30715.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11356].end |
30717.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11356].text |
今天財政部有來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[11357].start |
30717.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11357].end |
30719.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11357].text |
我覺得這還是跟我們的財政有關聯性 |
| transcript.whisperx[11358].start |
30719.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11358].end |
30721.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11358].text |
是不是也一併說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[11359].start |
30722 |
| transcript.whisperx[11359].end |
30724 |
| transcript.whisperx[11359].text |
給錢給越多越好 |
| transcript.whisperx[11360].start |
30724 |
| transcript.whisperx[11360].end |
30726 |
| transcript.whisperx[11360].text |
如果我是要被 |
| transcript.whisperx[11361].start |
30726 |
| transcript.whisperx[11361].end |
30728 |
| transcript.whisperx[11361].text |
我要去領錢的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[11362].start |
30728 |
| transcript.whisperx[11362].end |
30730 |
| transcript.whisperx[11362].text |
我當然是如果有人給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[11363].start |
30730 |
| transcript.whisperx[11363].end |
30732 |
| transcript.whisperx[11363].text |
給越多 |
| transcript.whisperx[11364].start |
30732 |
| transcript.whisperx[11364].end |
30734 |
| transcript.whisperx[11364].text |
可是實際上還是要去看財政到底能不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[11365].start |
30734 |
| transcript.whisperx[11365].end |
30736 |
| transcript.whisperx[11365].text |
去因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[11366].start |
30736 |
| transcript.whisperx[11366].end |
30738 |
| transcript.whisperx[11366].text |
不是說我這條 |
| transcript.whisperx[11367].start |
30738 |
| transcript.whisperx[11367].end |
30740 |
| transcript.whisperx[11367].text |
另外一個也會講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11368].start |
30740 |
| transcript.whisperx[11368].end |
30742 |
| transcript.whisperx[11368].text |
我也要調 |
| transcript.whisperx[11369].start |
30742 |
| transcript.whisperx[11369].end |
30744 |
| transcript.whisperx[11369].text |
那個老龍今天還有沒有其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11370].start |
30744 |
| transcript.whisperx[11370].end |
30746 |
| transcript.whisperx[11370].text |
今天也都要 |
| transcript.whisperx[11371].start |
30746 |
| transcript.whisperx[11371].end |
30748 |
| transcript.whisperx[11371].text |
那社會福利的其他要不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[11372].start |
30748 |
| transcript.whisperx[11372].end |
30750 |
| transcript.whisperx[11372].text |
因為他更弱勢啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[11373].start |
30750 |
| transcript.whisperx[11373].end |
30752 |
| transcript.whisperx[11373].text |
所以我覺得調得更高一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[11374].start |
30752 |
| transcript.whisperx[11374].end |
30754 |
| transcript.whisperx[11374].text |
所以我覺得這個要橫評來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[11375].start |
30753.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11375].end |
30755.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11375].text |
我覺得這才是比較務實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11376].start |
30755.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11376].end |
30757.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11376].text |
否則的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11377].start |
30757.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11377].end |
30759.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11377].text |
單一一個很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[11378].start |
30759.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11378].end |
30761.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11378].text |
我們立法院是只照顧這一群人嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[11379].start |
30761.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11379].end |
30763.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11379].text |
其他不照顧嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[11380].start |
30763.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11380].end |
30765.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11380].text |
那正正弱勢還沒照顧到勒 |
| transcript.whisperx[11381].start |
30765.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11381].end |
30767.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11381].text |
所以我覺得應該要去做考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[11382].start |
30767.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11382].end |
30769.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11382].text |
所以請財政部也說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[11383].start |
30769.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11383].end |
30771.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11383].text |
請財政部專委 |
| transcript.whisperx[11384].start |
30770.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11384].end |
30772.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11384].text |
主席各位委員跟先進大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[11385].start |
30772.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11385].end |
30774.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11385].text |
那針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[11386].start |
30774.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11386].end |
30776.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11386].text |
目前的一個財政的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[11387].start |
30776.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11387].end |
30778.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11387].text |
那以115年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[11388].start |
30778.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11388].end |
30780.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11388].text |
中央政府總預算的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11389].start |
30780.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11389].end |
30782.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11389].text |
如果說以舉債而度來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[11390].start |
30782.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11390].end |
30784.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11390].text |
那以115年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[11391].start |
30784.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11391].end |
30786.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11391].text |
那在 |
| transcript.whisperx[11392].start |
30786.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11392].end |
30788.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11392].text |
在流量的一個上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[11393].start |
30788.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11393].end |
30790.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11393].text |
大概是4900億 |
| transcript.whisperx[11394].start |
30790.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11394].end |
30792.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11394].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[11395].start |
30792.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11395].end |
30794.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11395].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[11396].start |
30796.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[11396].end |
30798.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[11396].text |
總預算的部分大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[11397].start |
30798.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[11397].end |
30800.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[11397].text |
就是大概左邊的大概2990億 |
| transcript.whisperx[11398].start |
30800.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[11398].end |
30802.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[11398].text |
所以扣掉的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11399].start |
30802.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[11399].end |
30804.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[11399].text |
其實可供 |
| transcript.whisperx[11400].start |
30804.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[11400].end |
30806.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[11400].text |
舉債的一個額度其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[11401].start |
30806.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[11401].end |
30808.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[11401].text |
已經只剩1000多億 |
| transcript.whisperx[11402].start |
30808.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[11402].end |
30810.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[11402].text |
那如果剛剛如同 |
| transcript.whisperx[11403].start |
30810.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11403].end |
30812.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11403].text |
剛剛如果說從5000 |
| transcript.whisperx[11404].start |
30812.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11404].end |
30814.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11404].text |
提高到6000 |
| transcript.whisperx[11405].start |
30814.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11405].end |
30816.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11405].text |
那剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[11406].start |
30817.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11406].end |
30819.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11406].text |
財政負擔來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[11407].start |
30819.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11407].end |
30821.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11407].text |
其實是一個蠻沉重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11408].start |
30821.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11408].end |
30823.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11408].text |
以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[11409].start |
30829.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11409].end |
30831.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11409].text |
那54條之一就保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[11410].start |
30834.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[11410].end |
30836.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[11410].text |
30條也是保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[11411].start |
30836.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[11411].end |
30838.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[11411].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[11412].start |
30837.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11412].end |
30839.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11412].text |
那現在進行第31條 |
| transcript.whisperx[11413].start |
30844.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[11413].end |
30846.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[11413].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[11414].start |
30846.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[11414].end |
30848.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[11414].text |
大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[11415].start |
30847.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11415].end |
30851.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11415].text |
31條有關於老年基本保證年金的情理相關規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[11416].start |
30851.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11416].end |
30853.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11416].text |
那這邊的部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11417].start |
30853.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11417].end |
30855.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11417].text |
也是有特別提到基本數額 |
| transcript.whisperx[11418].start |
30855.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11418].end |
30857.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11418].text |
的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11419].start |
30857.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11419].end |
30859.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11419].text |
那就如同剛才54條之一的保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[11420].start |
30859.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11420].end |
30861.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11420].text |
那這個31條可能也就是保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[11421].start |
30861.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11421].end |
30863.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11421].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[11422].start |
30863.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11422].end |
30865.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11422].text |
第31條保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[11423].start |
30865.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11423].end |
30867.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11423].text |
再進行第32條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[11424].start |
30873.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11424].end |
30875.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11424].text |
32條之二是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11425].start |
30875.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11425].end |
30877.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11425].text |
新的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11426].start |
30877.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11426].end |
30879.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11426].text |
新增的一個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[11427].start |
30879.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11427].end |
30881.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11427].text |
這邊是由民眾黨黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[11428].start |
30881.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11428].end |
30883.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11428].text |
這邊所特別提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11429].start |
30883.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11429].end |
30885.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11429].text |
那這邊的民眾黨黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[11430].start |
30885.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11430].end |
30889.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11430].text |
這邊所提到的育兒給付的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[11431].start |
30889.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11431].end |
30891.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11431].text |
如果按照 |
| transcript.whisperx[11432].start |
30891.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11432].end |
30893.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11432].text |
民眾黨黨團所提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11433].start |
30893.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11433].end |
30895.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11433].text |
期募條件來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[11434].start |
30895.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11434].end |
30897.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11434].text |
估算的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11435].start |
30897.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11435].end |
30899.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11435].text |
目前我們一年所需的經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[11436].start |
30899.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11436].end |
30901.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11436].text |
達145億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[11437].start |
30901.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11437].end |
30903.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11437].text |
而且這個部分的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11438].start |
30903.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11438].end |
30905.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11438].text |
建議的條文可能會 |
| transcript.whisperx[11439].start |
30905.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11439].end |
30907.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11439].text |
牽涉到其他社會保險的一個橫平性 |
| transcript.whisperx[11440].start |
30907.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11440].end |
30909.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11440].text |
那所以這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11441].start |
30909.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11441].end |
30911.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11441].text |
也會涉及到國保基金的一個支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[11442].start |
30911.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11442].end |
30913.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11442].text |
跟政府的財政狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[11443].start |
30913.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11443].end |
30915.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11443].text |
所以這個部分我們希望能夠謹慎評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[11444].start |
30915.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11444].end |
30917.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11444].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[11445].start |
30916.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[11445].end |
30918.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[11445].text |
好請就位 |
| transcript.whisperx[11446].start |
30918.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[11446].end |
30920.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[11446].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[11447].start |
30920.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[11447].end |
30922.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[11447].text |
那因為最主要就是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[11448].start |
30922.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11448].end |
30924.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11448].text |
稍止花的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[11449].start |
30924.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11449].end |
30926.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11449].text |
那我們也想催生可是有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[11450].start |
30926.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11450].end |
30928.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11450].text |
育齡婦女 |
| transcript.whisperx[11451].start |
30928.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11451].end |
30930.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11451].text |
他們就是可能有 |
| transcript.whisperx[11452].start |
30930.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11452].end |
30932.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11452].text |
經濟上的困頓 |
| transcript.whisperx[11453].start |
30932.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11453].end |
30934.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11453].text |
那特別是對於一些沒有進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[11454].start |
30934.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11454].end |
30936.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11454].text |
一些職場的他們可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[11455].start |
30936.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11455].end |
30938.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11455].text |
在各項社會福利 |
| transcript.whisperx[11456].start |
30938.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11456].end |
30940.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11456].text |
給付上又面臨 |
| transcript.whisperx[11457].start |
30940.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11457].end |
30942.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11457].text |
更大的一個經濟上的挑戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[11458].start |
30942.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11458].end |
30944.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11458].text |
所以我們這邊才提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11459].start |
30944.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11459].end |
30946.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11459].text |
如果你被保險人他 |
| transcript.whisperx[11460].start |
30946.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11460].end |
30948.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11460].text |
符合一個子女的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11461].start |
30948.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11461].end |
30950.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11461].text |
前提條件就是未滿五歲的子女 |
| transcript.whisperx[11462].start |
30950.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11462].end |
30952.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11462].text |
或者是未滿十二歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[11463].start |
30952.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11463].end |
30954.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11463].text |
然後有身心障礙的子女 |
| transcript.whisperx[11464].start |
30954.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11464].end |
30956.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11464].text |
那這樣父或母其中一方沒有進入就業 |
| transcript.whisperx[11465].start |
30956.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11465].end |
30958.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11465].text |
市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[11466].start |
30958.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11466].end |
30960.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11466].text |
那就是沒有領有報酬就是五星 |
| transcript.whisperx[11467].start |
30960.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11467].end |
30962.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11467].text |
沒有薪水 |
| transcript.whisperx[11468].start |
30962.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11468].end |
30964.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11468].text |
那就是說應該給他一些育兒給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11469].start |
30964.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11469].end |
30966.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11469].text |
來做為經濟上的後盾 |
| transcript.whisperx[11470].start |
30966.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11470].end |
30968.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11470].text |
那經濟上給付的數 |
| transcript.whisperx[11471].start |
30968.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11471].end |
30970.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11471].text |
我們就是用三十條第一項的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[11472].start |
30970.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11472].end |
30972.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11472].text |
三十一條的計算方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[11473].start |
30972.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11473].end |
30974.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11473].text |
經由有A |
| transcript.whisperx[11474].start |
30974.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11474].end |
30976.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11474].text |
A公式跟B公式 |
| transcript.whisperx[11475].start |
30976.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11475].end |
30978.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11475].text |
那就是看哪一個對父母的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11476].start |
30978.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11476].end |
30980.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11476].text |
前面這筆育兒金費用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11477].start |
30980.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11477].end |
30982.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11477].text |
計算比較從優 |
| transcript.whisperx[11478].start |
30982.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11478].end |
30984.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11478].text |
那就是擇定那個方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[11479].start |
30984.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11479].end |
30986.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11479].text |
那除此之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[11480].start |
30986.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11480].end |
30988.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11480].text |
再按 |
| transcript.whisperx[11481].start |
30988.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11481].end |
30990.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11481].text |
月頭保金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[11482].start |
30990.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11482].end |
30992.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11482].text |
中給兩個月的育兒給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11483].start |
30992.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11483].end |
30994.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11483].text |
那其實基本上就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11484].start |
30994.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11484].end |
30996.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11484].text |
希望能夠讓父母 |
| transcript.whisperx[11485].start |
30996.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11485].end |
30998.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11485].text |
感生感養 |
| transcript.whisperx[11486].start |
30998.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11486].end |
31000.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11486].text |
那對於一些沒有進入就業市場的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[11487].start |
31000.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11487].end |
31002.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11487].text |
讓他們有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[11488].start |
31002.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11488].end |
31004.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11488].text |
微薄的經濟後盾這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[11489].start |
31004.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11489].end |
31006.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11489].text |
以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[11490].start |
31009.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[11490].end |
31011.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[11490].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[11491].start |
31010.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11491].end |
31012.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11491].text |
問行政機關對 |
| transcript.whisperx[11492].start |
31012.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11492].end |
31014.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11492].text |
你身家給付的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11493].start |
31014.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11493].end |
31016.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11493].text |
就是這邊就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11494].start |
31016.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11494].end |
31018.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11494].text |
衛福部有提到兩個理由嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[11495].start |
31018.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11495].end |
31020.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11495].text |
第一個理由就是一百四十五億 |
| transcript.whisperx[11496].start |
31020.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11496].end |
31022.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11496].text |
然後第二個理由就是說會 |
| transcript.whisperx[11497].start |
31022.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11497].end |
31024.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11497].text |
就是可以再說明一下嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[11498].start |
31024.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11498].end |
31026.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11498].text |
就是說會影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[11499].start |
31026.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11499].end |
31028.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11499].text |
就是以其他的社會福利 |
| transcript.whisperx[11500].start |
31028.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11500].end |
31030.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11500].text |
給付的角度來說會有不公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[11501].start |
31030.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11501].end |
31032.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11501].text |
可以給我們幾個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[11502].start |
31032.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11502].end |
31034.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11502].text |
的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11503].start |
31034.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[11503].end |
31036.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[11503].text |
不公平嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[11504].start |
31035.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[11504].end |
31037.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[11504].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[11505].start |
31037.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11505].end |
31039.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11505].text |
請理事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[11506].start |
31038.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11506].end |
31040.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11506].text |
非常感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[11507].start |
31040.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11507].end |
31042.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11507].text |
對於我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[11508].start |
31042.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11508].end |
31044.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11508].text |
未滿五歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[11509].start |
31044.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11509].end |
31046.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11509].text |
或未滿十二歲身障幼童 |
| transcript.whisperx[11510].start |
31046.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11510].end |
31048.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11510].text |
的這一個育兒給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11511].start |
31048.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11511].end |
31050.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11511].text |
的一個質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[11512].start |
31050.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11512].end |
31052.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11512].text |
其實基本上我們也可以理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[11513].start |
31052.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11513].end |
31054.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11513].text |
那我跟委員報告現在目前就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11514].start |
31054.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11514].end |
31056.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11514].text |
零到六歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[11515].start |
31056.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11515].end |
31058.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11515].text |
國家一起養我們現在目前是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11516].start |
31058.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11516].end |
31060.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11516].text |
未滿兩歲的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11517].start |
31060.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11517].end |
31062.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11517].text |
是每個月五千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[11518].start |
31062.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11518].end |
31064.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11518].text |
另外一個我們現在目前一個新的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[11519].start |
31064.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11519].end |
31066.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11519].text |
就是成長津貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[11520].start |
31066.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11520].end |
31068.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11520].text |
那總統之前也已經有提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[11521].start |
31068.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11521].end |
31070.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11521].text |
是零到十八歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[11522].start |
31070.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11522].end |
31072.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11522].text |
我們未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[11523].start |
31072.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11523].end |
31074.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11523].text |
除了零到六歲的五千塊之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[11524].start |
31074.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11524].end |
31076.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11524].text |
另外六到十八也會 |
| transcript.whisperx[11525].start |
31076.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11525].end |
31078.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11525].text |
另外再有五千塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[11526].start |
31078.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11526].end |
31080.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11526].text |
那另外的五千塊當然是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11527].start |
31080.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11527].end |
31082.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11527].text |
兩千五現金兩千五是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11528].start |
31082.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11528].end |
31084.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11528].text |
提存啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[11529].start |
31084.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11529].end |
31086.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11529].text |
但是基本上就是說這個整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11530].start |
31086.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11530].end |
31088.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11530].text |
加起來的話零到六歲的話可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[11531].start |
31088.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11531].end |
31090.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11531].text |
第一個小朋友五千加五千就一萬囉 |
| transcript.whisperx[11532].start |
31090.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11532].end |
31092.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11532].text |
那六到十八的話就另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[11533].start |
31092.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11533].end |
31094.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11533].text |
五千所以基本上其實也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[11534].start |
31094.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11534].end |
31096.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11534].text |
來作為剛剛委員你剛剛所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11535].start |
31096.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11535].end |
31098.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11535].text |
這個部分的這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11536].start |
31098.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11536].end |
31100.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11536].text |
等於就等於你說如果五葉的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11537].start |
31100.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11537].end |
31102.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11537].text |
父母其實他們以後已經有 |
| transcript.whisperx[11538].start |
31102.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11538].end |
31104.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11538].text |
就是那個你說的津貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[11539].start |
31104.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11539].end |
31106.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11539].text |
那方面可以領沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[11540].start |
31106.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11540].end |
31108.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11540].text |
因為我們考量的是五葉的父母他 |
| transcript.whisperx[11541].start |
31108.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11541].end |
31110.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11541].text |
他可能也沒有經濟 |
| transcript.whisperx[11542].start |
31110.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11542].end |
31112.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11542].text |
收入然後想要給他一些經濟上 |
| transcript.whisperx[11543].start |
31112.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11543].end |
31114.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11543].text |
的一個支持包委員因為這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11544].start |
31114.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11544].end |
31116.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11544].text |
完全是不完全是不排富 |
| transcript.whisperx[11545].start |
31116.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11545].end |
31118.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11545].text |
所以不管有業五業全部都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11546].start |
31118.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11546].end |
31120.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11546].text |
都是統一零到六歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[11547].start |
31120.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11547].end |
31122.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11547].text |
變一萬塊那個六到十八 |
| transcript.whisperx[11548].start |
31122.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11548].end |
31124.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11548].text |
所以這個的話其實基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[11549].start |
31124.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11549].end |
31126.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11549].text |
就應該某種程度可以也回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[11550].start |
31126.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11550].end |
31128.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11550].text |
所以你的意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11551].start |
31128.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11551].end |
31130.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11551].text |
那個零到十八歲這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11552].start |
31130.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11552].end |
31132.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11552].text |
其實就可以消滅我們的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[11553].start |
31132.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11553].end |
31134.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11553].text |
那除此之外因為我們講到 |
| transcript.whisperx[11554].start |
31134.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11554].end |
31136.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11554].text |
什麼社會給付福利 |
| transcript.whisperx[11555].start |
31136.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11555].end |
31138.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11555].text |
所以我也請教一下因為我 |
| transcript.whisperx[11556].start |
31138.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11556].end |
31140.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11556].text |
我覺得這個倒是可以讓我進一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[11557].start |
31140.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11557].end |
31142.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11557].text |
去思考這個東西怎麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[11558].start |
31142.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11558].end |
31144.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11558].text |
該審做因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[11559].start |
31144.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11559].end |
31146.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11559].text |
勞保嘛不是就是有就業的勞工嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[11560].start |
31146.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11560].end |
31148.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11560].text |
那勞保他給付的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[11561].start |
31148.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11561].end |
31150.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11561].text |
是不是生老病死失能 |
| transcript.whisperx[11562].start |
31150.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11562].end |
31152.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11562].text |
生老病死生嘛就生育嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[11563].start |
31152.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11563].end |
31154.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11563].text |
然後生老病死 |
| transcript.whisperx[11564].start |
31154.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11564].end |
31156.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11564].text |
失能嘛那他有給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11565].start |
31156.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11565].end |
31158.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11565].text |
生育那國民年金 |
| transcript.whisperx[11566].start |
31158.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11566].end |
31160.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11566].text |
是不是有給付也是有給付生育 |
| transcript.whisperx[11567].start |
31160.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11567].end |
31162.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11567].text |
然後勞保他們有給付育兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[11568].start |
31162.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11568].end |
31164.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11568].text |
但是我們這邊現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[11569].start |
31164.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11569].end |
31166.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11569].text |
要爭取育兒可能就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[11570].start |
31166.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11570].end |
31168.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11570].text |
有那種社會福利的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11571].start |
31168.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11571].end |
31170.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11571].text |
社會給付的不公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[11572].start |
31170.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11572].end |
31172.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11572].text |
因為你剛講社會給付我聯想的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11573].start |
31172.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11573].end |
31174.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11573].text |
倒是這邊所以我才想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11574].start |
31174.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11574].end |
31176.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11574].text |
我來思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[11575].start |
31179.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[11575].end |
31181.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[11575].text |
國保有三就是前我們就是看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[11576].start |
31181.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[11576].end |
31183.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[11576].text |
前一條有生育給付才想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11577].start |
31183.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[11577].end |
31185.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[11577].text |
再加個再加碼一下來個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11578].start |
31185.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[11578].end |
31187.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[11578].text |
育兒給付那因為剛那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11579].start |
31187.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[11579].end |
31189.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[11579].text |
張 |
| transcript.whisperx[11580].start |
31189.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11580].end |
31191.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11580].text |
長官長官 |
| transcript.whisperx[11581].start |
31191.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11581].end |
31193.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11581].text |
好那個因為他有提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11582].start |
31193.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11582].end |
31195.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11582].text |
從社會給付的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[11583].start |
31195.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11583].end |
31197.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11583].text |
來看似乎不公平我是去想到 |
| transcript.whisperx[11584].start |
31197.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11584].end |
31199.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11584].text |
勞保結果那個副 |
| transcript.whisperx[11585].start |
31199.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11585].end |
31201.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11585].text |
次長啦次長就講到 |
| transcript.whisperx[11586].start |
31201.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11586].end |
31203.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11586].text |
那個什麼今天那邊啊我是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11587].start |
31203.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11587].end |
31205.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11587].text |
想到說勞保是不是因為生老病 |
| transcript.whisperx[11588].start |
31205.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11588].end |
31207.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11588].text |
死沒有育兒那這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[11589].start |
31207.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11589].end |
31209.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11589].text |
如果有育兒的話你們的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[11590].start |
31209.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11590].end |
31211.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11590].text |
會覺得比較不公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[11591].start |
31212.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[11591].end |
31214.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[11591].text |
就教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[11592].start |
31214.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11592].end |
31215.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11592].text |
喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[11593].start |
31215.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[11593].end |
31217.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[11593].text |
朱熙我可不可以講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[11594].start |
31217.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[11594].end |
31220.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[11594].text |
因為這個有一個我也要理 |
| transcript.whisperx[11595].start |
31221.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11595].end |
31222.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11595].text |
詢問喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[11596].start |
31223.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11596].end |
31225.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11596].text |
如果喔一方沒就業 |
| transcript.whisperx[11597].start |
31225.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11597].end |
31226.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11597].text |
而另外一方 |
| transcript.whisperx[11598].start |
31227.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11598].end |
31228.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11598].text |
經濟收入非常高 |
| transcript.whisperx[11599].start |
31228.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11599].end |
31229.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11599].text |
這樣就可以喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[11600].start |
31229.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11600].end |
31231.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11600].text |
因為這只有限定一個條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[11601].start |
31231.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11601].end |
31233.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11601].text |
就是一方沒有就業 |
| transcript.whisperx[11602].start |
31233.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11602].end |
31234.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11602].text |
沒有就業的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11603].start |
31234.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11603].end |
31237.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11603].text |
那我另外一方薪水領得很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[11604].start |
31237.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11604].end |
31239.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11604].text |
滿盤滿缽的也可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[11605].start |
31239.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11605].end |
31240.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11605].text |
所以我不太理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[11606].start |
31240.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11606].end |
31242.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11606].text |
那個限制條件是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[11607].start |
31242.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11607].end |
31245.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11607].text |
只要有一方沒有就業就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[11608].start |
31245.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11608].end |
31247.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11608].text |
沒有沒有這個邏輯上 |
| transcript.whisperx[11609].start |
31247.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11609].end |
31249.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11609].text |
我只是對法條邏輯上我不太了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[11610].start |
31251 |
| transcript.whisperx[11610].end |
31254 |
| transcript.whisperx[11610].text |
那過去過去我們在講社會救助的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[11611].start |
31254 |
| transcript.whisperx[11611].end |
31256 |
| transcript.whisperx[11611].text |
還會碰到一個狀況就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11612].start |
31256 |
| transcript.whisperx[11612].end |
31257 |
| transcript.whisperx[11612].text |
我那房子都 |
| transcript.whisperx[11613].start |
31258.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11613].end |
31261.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11613].text |
租給人家可是因為沒有實質上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11614].start |
31261.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11614].end |
31263.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11614].text |
所謂的去繳稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[11615].start |
31263.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11615].end |
31265.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11615].text |
我都在收房租可是我還是可以領 |
| transcript.whisperx[11616].start |
31265.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11616].end |
31267.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11616].text |
因為這很難查證 |
| transcript.whisperx[11617].start |
31267.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11617].end |
31269.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11617].text |
第一周過去我們就一直碰到這種困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[11618].start |
31269.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11618].end |
31271.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11618].text |
如果現在這樣子的條件限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[11619].start |
31271.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11619].end |
31272.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11619].text |
我還滿擔心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11620].start |
31273.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11620].end |
31275.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11620].text |
那到底真的事實上是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11621].start |
31275.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11621].end |
31278.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11621].text |
是讓人家去領的不該領的福利 |
| transcript.whisperx[11622].start |
31278.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11622].end |
31280.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11622].text |
還是事實上是真的照顧到 |
| transcript.whisperx[11623].start |
31280.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11623].end |
31282.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11623].text |
該照顧到的這要理清 |
| transcript.whisperx[11624].start |
31282.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11624].end |
31283.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11624].text |
我也想問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[11625].start |
31283.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11625].end |
31284.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11625].text |
這法條我看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[11626].start |
31284.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11626].end |
31285.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11626].text |
我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[11627].start |
31286.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11627].end |
31288.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11627].text |
滿腦子問號以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[11628].start |
31291.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[11628].end |
31293.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[11628].text |
請問政協委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[11629].start |
31294.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[11629].end |
31295.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[11629].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[11630].start |
31297.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11630].end |
31301.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11630].text |
應該是很希望能夠把所有的人都照顧進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[11631].start |
31301.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11631].end |
31303.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11631].text |
不過我們也了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[11632].start |
31303.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11632].end |
31305.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11632].text |
畢竟在這個社會上 |
| transcript.whisperx[11633].start |
31305.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11633].end |
31307.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11633].text |
我們還是希望能夠有更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[11634].start |
31308.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11634].end |
31311.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11634].text |
讓這個公平性也得到大家的確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[11635].start |
31311.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11635].end |
31315.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11635].text |
所以我想如果是這種方式的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11636].start |
31315.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11636].end |
31317.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11636].text |
又沒有設定任何條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[11637].start |
31317.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11637].end |
31320.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11637].text |
碰到的問題可能會讓大家覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[11638].start |
31320.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11638].end |
31322.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11638].text |
社會真的就是會這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[11639].start |
31322.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11639].end |
31325.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11639].text |
用這樣的態度來做公平的對待 |
| transcript.whisperx[11640].start |
31325.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11640].end |
31326.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11640].text |
我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[11641].start |
31326.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11641].end |
31329.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11641].text |
我覺得月勤委員跟那個政訊委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[11642].start |
31329.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11642].end |
31330.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11642].text |
都給我們一些思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[11643].start |
31330.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11643].end |
31331.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11643].text |
然後我剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[11644].start |
31331.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11644].end |
31333.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11644].text |
我們也在思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[11645].start |
31333.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11645].end |
31334.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11645].text |
如果未來這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11646].start |
31334.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11646].end |
31336.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11646].text |
我們台灣未來帳戶0到18歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[11647].start |
31336.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11647].end |
31338.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11647].text |
都有一些經濟上的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[11648].start |
31338.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11648].end |
31340.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11648].text |
也許在這邊可以再做一個思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[11649].start |
31340.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11649].end |
31342.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11649].text |
那我只是因為聽到那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11650].start |
31342.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11650].end |
31344.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11650].text |
張玉璇那個長官 |
| transcript.whisperx[11651].start |
31344.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11651].end |
31346.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11651].text |
不知道你的頭銜 |
| transcript.whisperx[11652].start |
31346.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11652].end |
31347.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11652].text |
抱歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[11653].start |
31347.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11653].end |
31349.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11653].text |
那代理市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[11654].start |
31349.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11654].end |
31351.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11654].text |
因為你提到社會給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11655].start |
31351.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11655].end |
31352.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11655].text |
我才想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11656].start |
31352.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11656].end |
31354.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11656].text |
我也要一個理由說服我自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[11657].start |
31354.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11657].end |
31355.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11657].text |
要不然我們這條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[11658].start |
31355.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11658].end |
31357.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11658].text |
其實也是利益良善這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[11659].start |
31362 |
| transcript.whisperx[11659].end |
31363 |
| transcript.whisperx[11659].text |
謝謝委員的關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[11660].start |
31363 |
| transcript.whisperx[11660].end |
31366 |
| transcript.whisperx[11660].text |
那因為我們有特別提到是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11661].start |
31366 |
| transcript.whisperx[11661].end |
31367 |
| transcript.whisperx[11661].text |
因為這邊的條件是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11662].start |
31367 |
| transcript.whisperx[11662].end |
31370 |
| transcript.whisperx[11662].text |
任一方就是可能婦或母 |
| transcript.whisperx[11663].start |
31370 |
| transcript.whisperx[11663].end |
31372 |
| transcript.whisperx[11663].text |
那可能就是另外一方 |
| transcript.whisperx[11664].start |
31372 |
| transcript.whisperx[11664].end |
31374 |
| transcript.whisperx[11664].text |
是有工作的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[11665].start |
31374 |
| transcript.whisperx[11665].end |
31376 |
| transcript.whisperx[11665].text |
那所以有工作的狀態的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[11666].start |
31376 |
| transcript.whisperx[11666].end |
31377 |
| transcript.whisperx[11666].text |
我們這邊就有特別提到是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11667].start |
31377 |
| transcript.whisperx[11667].end |
31380 |
| transcript.whisperx[11667].text |
也有可能他的情況是屬於留職停薪 |
| transcript.whisperx[11668].start |
31380 |
| transcript.whisperx[11668].end |
31381 |
| transcript.whisperx[11668].text |
在其他的保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[11669].start |
31381 |
| transcript.whisperx[11669].end |
31383 |
| transcript.whisperx[11669].text |
社會保險例如是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11670].start |
31383 |
| transcript.whisperx[11670].end |
31384 |
| transcript.whisperx[11670].text |
就業保險裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[11671].start |
31384 |
| transcript.whisperx[11671].end |
31386 |
| transcript.whisperx[11671].text |
他是有一些相關的津貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[11672].start |
31386 |
| transcript.whisperx[11672].end |
31387 |
| transcript.whisperx[11672].text |
或者補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[11673].start |
31387 |
| transcript.whisperx[11673].end |
31389 |
| transcript.whisperx[11673].text |
所以這樣的話可能在 |
| transcript.whisperx[11674].start |
31389 |
| transcript.whisperx[11674].end |
31391 |
| transcript.whisperx[11674].text |
領取上我們認為可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[11675].start |
31391 |
| transcript.whisperx[11675].end |
31393 |
| transcript.whisperx[11675].text |
會有重複的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[11676].start |
31393 |
| transcript.whisperx[11676].end |
31394 |
| transcript.whisperx[11676].text |
但是這個部分可能我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[11677].start |
31394 |
| transcript.whisperx[11677].end |
31397 |
| transcript.whisperx[11677].text |
就是還要再看每個個案的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[11678].start |
31397 |
| transcript.whisperx[11678].end |
31398 |
| transcript.whisperx[11678].text |
再來做一個論斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[11679].start |
31398 |
| transcript.whisperx[11679].end |
31399 |
| transcript.whisperx[11679].text |
那另外一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11680].start |
31399 |
| transcript.whisperx[11680].end |
31401 |
| transcript.whisperx[11680].text |
就是我們考慮到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11681].start |
31401 |
| transcript.whisperx[11681].end |
31405 |
| transcript.whisperx[11681].text |
當然就是民眾黨這邊的利益是非常好 |
| transcript.whisperx[11682].start |
31405 |
| transcript.whisperx[11682].end |
31407 |
| transcript.whisperx[11682].text |
那如果沒有特別提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[11683].start |
31407 |
| transcript.whisperx[11683].end |
31409 |
| transcript.whisperx[11683].text |
排富的一個情況的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[11684].start |
31409 |
| transcript.whisperx[11684].end |
31411 |
| transcript.whisperx[11684].text |
我們確實會有一些擔憂 |
| transcript.whisperx[11685].start |
31411 |
| transcript.whisperx[11685].end |
31413 |
| transcript.whisperx[11685].text |
就是說可能會造成資源的排擠 |
| transcript.whisperx[11686].start |
31413 |
| transcript.whisperx[11686].end |
31414 |
| transcript.whisperx[11686].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[11687].start |
31414 |
| transcript.whisperx[11687].end |
31415 |
| transcript.whisperx[11687].text |
好了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[11688].start |
31415 |
| transcript.whisperx[11688].end |
31416 |
| transcript.whisperx[11688].text |
OK好 |
| transcript.whisperx[11689].start |
31416 |
| transcript.whisperx[11689].end |
31417 |
| transcript.whisperx[11689].text |
那沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[11690].start |
31417 |
| transcript.whisperx[11690].end |
31418 |
| transcript.whisperx[11690].text |
我們再思考一下好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[11691].start |
31418 |
| transcript.whisperx[11691].end |
31420 |
| transcript.whisperx[11691].text |
所以這條是不予甄定嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[11692].start |
31420 |
| transcript.whisperx[11692].end |
31421 |
| transcript.whisperx[11692].text |
不予甄定 |
| transcript.whisperx[11693].start |
31421 |
| transcript.whisperx[11693].end |
31422 |
| transcript.whisperx[11693].text |
對謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[11694].start |
31422 |
| transcript.whisperx[11694].end |
31424 |
| transcript.whisperx[11694].text |
32條之二不予甄定 |
| transcript.whisperx[11695].start |
31425.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[11695].end |
31427.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[11695].text |
再進行第34條 |
| transcript.whisperx[11696].start |
31430.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11696].end |
31432.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11696].text |
34條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11697].start |
31432.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11697].end |
31435.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11697].text |
是針對身障年金的勤勉規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[11698].start |
31435.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11698].end |
31437.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11698].text |
那這個部分呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[11699].start |
31437.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11699].end |
31439.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11699].text |
是針對基本數額 |
| transcript.whisperx[11700].start |
31439.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11700].end |
31441.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11700].text |
還有經費負擔歸屬的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[11701].start |
31441.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11701].end |
31443.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11701].text |
那這個部分的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[11702].start |
31443.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11702].end |
31445.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11702].text |
如同剛才我們特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[11703].start |
31445.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11703].end |
31446.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11703].text |
基本數額就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[11704].start |
31446.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11704].end |
31450.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11704].text |
就是連動到54條之一的一個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[11705].start |
31450.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11705].end |
31452.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11705].text |
那另外一個就是經費負擔部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11706].start |
31452.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11706].end |
31454.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11706].text |
就是修正條文的36條 |
| transcript.whisperx[11707].start |
31454.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11707].end |
31456.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11707].text |
都是很重要的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[11708].start |
31456.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11708].end |
31457.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11708].text |
所以這個部分我們建議保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[11709].start |
31457.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11709].end |
31458.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11709].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[11710].start |
31461.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11710].end |
31463.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11710].text |
第34條保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[11711].start |
31463.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11711].end |
31465.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11711].text |
那現在進行第35條 |
| transcript.whisperx[11712].start |
31468.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[11712].end |
31469.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[11712].text |
35條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11713].start |
31469.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[11713].end |
31473.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[11713].text |
一樣是針對身障基本保證年金的一個勤勉規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[11714].start |
31473.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[11714].end |
31475.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[11714].text |
那這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11715].start |
31475.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[11715].end |
31476.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[11715].text |
我們是建議保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[11716].start |
31476.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[11716].end |
31479.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[11716].text |
因為是跟54條之一是有相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11717].start |
31479.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[11717].end |
31480.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[11717].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[11718].start |
31480.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11718].end |
31482.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11718].text |
第35條保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[11719].start |
31482.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11719].end |
31484.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11719].text |
現在進行第36條 |
| transcript.whisperx[11720].start |
31485.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11720].end |
31487.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11720].text |
36條的部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11721].start |
31487.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11721].end |
31488.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11721].text |
委員吳思耀等 |
| transcript.whisperx[11722].start |
31488.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11722].end |
31490.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11722].text |
所提出來的經費負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[11723].start |
31490.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11723].end |
31492.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11723].text |
那這個部分是有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[11724].start |
31492.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11724].end |
31495.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11724].text |
中央跟地方政府來分攤 |
| transcript.whisperx[11725].start |
31495.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11725].end |
31497.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11725].text |
這一次的一個負擔比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[11726].start |
31497.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11726].end |
31499.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11726].text |
那這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11727].start |
31499.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11727].end |
31502.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11727].text |
我想這個部分應該是先尊重委員的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[11728].start |
31502.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11728].end |
31504.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11728].text |
那如果沒有達成共同的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11729].start |
31504.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11729].end |
31506.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11729].text |
應該也是予以保留的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11730].start |
31506.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[11730].end |
31507.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[11730].text |
第36條保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[11731].start |
31508.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11731].end |
31509.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11731].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[11732].start |
31509.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11732].end |
31510.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11732].text |
第36條保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[11733].start |
31513.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[11733].end |
31515.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[11733].text |
那進行第39條 |
| transcript.whisperx[11734].start |
31517.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[11734].end |
31519.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[11734].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[11735].start |
31518.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11735].end |
31520.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11735].text |
39條的部分是有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[11736].start |
31520.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11736].end |
31523.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11736].text |
傷障給付的勤勉規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[11737].start |
31523.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11737].end |
31526.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11737].text |
那在這個39條的條文裡面的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11738].start |
31526.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11738].end |
31528.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11738].text |
是有兩個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[11739].start |
31528.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11739].end |
31530.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11739].text |
第一個重點是給付額度 |
| transcript.whisperx[11740].start |
31530.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11740].end |
31534.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11740].text |
第二個重點是針對擴大的適用範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[11741].start |
31534.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11741].end |
31538.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11741].text |
那針對這個給付額度的部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11742].start |
31538.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11742].end |
31543.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11742].text |
這個部分委員有提出提高給付10個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[11743].start |
31543.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11743].end |
31547.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11743].text |
或者是15個月不等的這個建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[11744].start |
31547.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11744].end |
31549.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11744].text |
這就是第一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11745].start |
31549.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11745].end |
31551.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11745].text |
那第二個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11746].start |
31551.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11746].end |
31555.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11746].text |
針對擴大傷障給付的適用範圍的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11747].start |
31555.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11747].end |
31559.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11747].text |
那國民黨黨團這邊所提出來的建議是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11748].start |
31559.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11748].end |
31563.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11748].text |
在老年年金期間死亡者均得勤領 |
| transcript.whisperx[11749].start |
31563.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11749].end |
31566.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11749].text |
那當然我們也有做一些經費的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[11750].start |
31566.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11750].end |
31568.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11750].text |
好那這個經費的評估的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11751].start |
31568.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11751].end |
31571.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11751].text |
就是一年會增加72億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[11752].start |
31571.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11752].end |
31573.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11752].text |
那因為我們會審酌說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11753].start |
31573.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11753].end |
31575.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11753].text |
這個與社會保險制度是不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11754].start |
31575.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11754].end |
31578.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11754].text |
因為我們知道在傷障給付的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11755].start |
31578.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11755].end |
31581.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11755].text |
所有的社會保險都是在保險期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[11756].start |
31581.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11756].end |
31584.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11756].text |
發生事故的時候才予以保險給付的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11757].start |
31584.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11757].end |
31586.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11757].text |
那如果在這邊的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11758].start |
31586.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11758].end |
31588.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11758].text |
是把這個適用範圍擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[11759].start |
31588.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11759].end |
31593.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11759].text |
變成是只要在老年年金的期間死亡的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11760].start |
31593.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11760].end |
31594.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11760].text |
都可以勤領的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11761].start |
31594.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11761].end |
31597.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11761].text |
那這邊就可能會增加國保的財務負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[11762].start |
31597.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11762].end |
31600.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11762].text |
而且會另外就是還要去尋求裁員 |
| transcript.whisperx[11763].start |
31600.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11763].end |
31602.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11763].text |
那這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11764].start |
31602.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11764].end |
31604.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11764].text |
我們認為要審慎評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[11765].start |
31604.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11765].end |
31605.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11765].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[11766].start |
31605.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[11766].end |
31606.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[11766].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[11767].start |
31606.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11767].end |
31607.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11767].text |
請鄭天才委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[11768].start |
31607.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11768].end |
31609.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11768].text |
再來王振旭委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[11769].start |
31612.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[11769].end |
31615.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[11769].text |
我的修正條文是15個頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[11770].start |
31615.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[11770].end |
31617.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[11770].text |
主要的理由就是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[11771].start |
31618.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[11771].end |
31623.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[11771].text |
這個農民健康保險條例第40條的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[11772].start |
31623.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[11772].end |
31625.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[11772].text |
傷障給付是15個頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[11773].start |
31626.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11773].end |
31629.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11773].text |
現行的農民健康保險條例40條 |
| transcript.whisperx[11774].start |
31629.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11774].end |
31632.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11774].text |
就是傷障給付是15個頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[11775].start |
31632.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11775].end |
31634.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11775].text |
所以我的修正條文就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11776].start |
31634.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11776].end |
31637.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11776].text |
因為這個會參加 |
| transcript.whisperx[11777].start |
31637.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11777].end |
31640.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11777].text |
會適用在國民年金 |
| transcript.whisperx[11778].start |
31640.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11778].end |
31641.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11778].text |
就是它沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[11779].start |
31642.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[11779].end |
31644.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[11779].text |
公保君保 |
| transcript.whisperx[11780].start |
31645.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[11780].end |
31646.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[11780].text |
也沒有農保 |
| transcript.whisperx[11781].start |
31647.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11781].end |
31649.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11781].text |
是最底層的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11782].start |
31649.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11782].end |
31650.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11782].text |
所以這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11783].start |
31650.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11783].end |
31652.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11783].text |
應該要做這樣的一個配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[11784].start |
31657.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11784].end |
31658.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11784].text |
王振旭委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[11785].start |
31658.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11785].end |
31659.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11785].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[11786].start |
31659.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11786].end |
31661.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11786].text |
針對第39條 |
| transcript.whisperx[11787].start |
31661.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11787].end |
31663.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11787].text |
我們在第一項的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11788].start |
31663.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11788].end |
31665.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11788].text |
是希望把這個5個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[11789].start |
31665.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11789].end |
31669.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11789].text |
修正為10個月的這個傷障給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11790].start |
31669.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11790].end |
31672.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11790].text |
因為目前考量我國社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[11791].start |
31672.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11791].end |
31674.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11791].text |
隨著這個經濟的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[11792].start |
31674.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11792].end |
31676.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11792].text |
物價也隨著成長 |
| transcript.whisperx[11793].start |
31676.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11793].end |
31678.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11793].text |
國保年金的這個傷障給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11794].start |
31678.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11794].end |
31681.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11794].text |
應該有相應調整的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[11795].start |
31681.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11795].end |
31684.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11795].text |
而且這個傷障給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11796].start |
31684.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11796].end |
31686.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11796].text |
最重要它是一次性的給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11797].start |
31686.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11797].end |
31688.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11797].text |
對財務上的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[11798].start |
31688.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11798].end |
31690.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11798].text |
比較能夠估算跟負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[11799].start |
31690.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11799].end |
31692.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11799].text |
剛剛我們代理師長 |
| transcript.whisperx[11800].start |
31692.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11800].end |
31693.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11800].text |
是有提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11801].start |
31693.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11801].end |
31696.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11801].text |
會不會有增加財務很大的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[11802].start |
31696.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11802].end |
31697.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11802].text |
其實這個是相對來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[11803].start |
31697.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11803].end |
31700.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11803].text |
它是比較有機會去考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[11804].start |
31700.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11804].end |
31702.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11804].text |
而且它是一次性的給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11805].start |
31702.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11805].end |
31704.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11805].text |
所以比較能夠有機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[11806].start |
31704.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11806].end |
31706.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11806].text |
做好的一些處理模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[11807].start |
31706.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11807].end |
31708.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11807].text |
那另外再考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[11808].start |
31708.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11808].end |
31709.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11808].text |
在這個目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[11809].start |
31709.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11809].end |
31711.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11809].text |
不管是勞工保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[11810].start |
31711.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11810].end |
31712.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11810].text |
或是農民健康保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[11811].start |
31712.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11811].end |
31715.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11811].text |
其他社會保險的給付額度 |
| transcript.whisperx[11812].start |
31715.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11812].end |
31717.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11812].text |
跟橫平性相較之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[11813].start |
31717.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11813].end |
31720.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11813].text |
十個月算是相對橫平 |
| transcript.whisperx[11814].start |
31720.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11814].end |
31722.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11814].text |
所以才會建議把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11815].start |
31722.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11815].end |
31724.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11815].text |
五個月調成十個月以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[11816].start |
31724.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11816].end |
31726.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11816].text |
好 前提請教委 |
| transcript.whisperx[11817].start |
31726.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11817].end |
31728.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11817].text |
好 這一條我會覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[11818].start |
31728.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11818].end |
31730.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11818].text |
我們年金的傷障給付調升 |
| transcript.whisperx[11819].start |
31730.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11819].end |
31731.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11819].text |
當然我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[11820].start |
31732.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[11820].end |
31735.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[11820].text |
有部分委員事實上把 |
| transcript.whisperx[11821].start |
31735.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[11821].end |
31737.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[11821].text |
國民年金的傷障給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11822].start |
31737.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[11822].end |
31739.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[11822].text |
由五個月調高到十個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[11823].start |
31739.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[11823].end |
31741.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[11823].text |
而且給付的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[11824].start |
31741.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[11824].end |
31744.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[11824].text |
由十萬調高到大約二十萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[11825].start |
31744.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11825].end |
31746.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11825].text |
那如果依照這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11826].start |
31746.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11826].end |
31748.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11826].text |
我看衛福部是講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11827].start |
31748.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11827].end |
31749.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11827].text |
大概要每年要增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[11828].start |
31749.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11828].end |
31751.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11828].text |
十二億的基金的支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[11829].start |
31753.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[11829].end |
31754.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[11829].text |
嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[11830].start |
31754.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11830].end |
31756.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11830].text |
我覺得這個可能主計處 |
| transcript.whisperx[11831].start |
31756.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11831].end |
31757.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11831].text |
我不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[11832].start |
31758.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11832].end |
31761.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11832].text |
應該是不是上次也有提醒說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11833].start |
31761.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11833].end |
31763.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11833].text |
上次討論的時候就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11834].start |
31763.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11834].end |
31766.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11834].text |
要兼顧到國保基金的財務健全 |
| transcript.whisperx[11835].start |
31766.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11835].end |
31768.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11835].text |
跟長期的精算 |
| transcript.whisperx[11836].start |
31768.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11836].end |
31769.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11836].text |
要考慮還是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[11837].start |
31769.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11837].end |
31770.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11837].text |
同樣的問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11838].start |
31771.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[11838].end |
31772.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[11838].text |
到底我們有多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[11839].start |
31772.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[11839].end |
31774.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[11839].text |
我的家裡如果只有五萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[11840].start |
31774.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[11840].end |
31776.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[11840].text |
我能花的也就只有這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[11841].start |
31776.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[11841].end |
31778.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[11841].text |
如果一直在舉債的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11842].start |
31778.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[11842].end |
31779.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[11842].text |
那債留子孫到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[11843].start |
31780.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11843].end |
31781.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11843].text |
好好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[11844].start |
31781.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11844].end |
31783.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11844].text |
那我相信年輕人也會很有感 |
| transcript.whisperx[11845].start |
31783.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11845].end |
31786.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11845].text |
我們一直把債務放在他身上 |
| transcript.whisperx[11846].start |
31786.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11846].end |
31787.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11846].text |
那另外國民年金 |
| transcript.whisperx[11847].start |
31787.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11847].end |
31788.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11847].text |
本來就屬於保險性質 |
| transcript.whisperx[11848].start |
31788.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11848].end |
31790.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11848].text |
按照保險的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[11849].start |
31790.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11849].end |
31791.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11849].text |
傷障補助請領資格值 |
| transcript.whisperx[11850].start |
31791.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11850].end |
31793.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11850].text |
限定在被保險人期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[11851].start |
31793.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11851].end |
31795.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11851].text |
未滿六十五歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[11852].start |
31796.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11852].end |
31798.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11852].text |
所以因此發生了那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11853].start |
31798.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11853].end |
31800.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11853].text |
繳滿年金超過六十五歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[11854].start |
31800.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11854].end |
31802.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11854].text |
無法領取傷障給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11855].start |
31802.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11855].end |
31803.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11855].text |
所以國民黨提案是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11856].start |
31803.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11856].end |
31805.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11856].text |
要讓被保險的超過六十五歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[11857].start |
31805.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11857].end |
31807.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11857].text |
也可以領上那種給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11858].start |
31807.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11858].end |
31809.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11858].text |
我覺得這個可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[11859].start |
31809.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11859].end |
31811.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11859].text |
也要去思考到這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[11860].start |
31811.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11860].end |
31812.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11860].text |
因為如果有一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[11861].start |
31812.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11861].end |
31814.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11861].text |
他超過了六十五歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[11862].start |
31814.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11862].end |
31816.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11862].text |
他領了一年就死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[11863].start |
31816.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11863].end |
31818.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11863].text |
那他領了十二個月六萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[11864].start |
31818.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11864].end |
31819.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11864].text |
傷障補助十萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[11865].start |
31819.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11865].end |
31820.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11865].text |
所以是要用那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11866].start |
31820.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11866].end |
31822.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11866].text |
十萬去扣掉那個六萬嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[11867].start |
31822.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11867].end |
31824.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11867].text |
然後衛福部去補四萬嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[11868].start |
31824.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11868].end |
31826.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11868].text |
所以我真的是要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[11869].start |
31826.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11869].end |
31829.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11869].text |
我覺得這中間要去釐清這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11870].start |
31829.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11870].end |
31830.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11870].text |
還有剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[11871].start |
31832.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11871].end |
31834.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11871].text |
天才委員講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11872].start |
31834.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11872].end |
31836.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11872].text |
你是用農保的角度上來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[11873].start |
31836.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11873].end |
31838.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11873].text |
因為農保沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[11874].start |
31838.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11874].end |
31839.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11874].text |
所謂的遺囑年金的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[11875].start |
31839.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11875].end |
31841.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11875].text |
所以才會一次性傷障給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11876].start |
31841.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11876].end |
31843.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11876].text |
會比較高 |
| transcript.whisperx[11877].start |
31843.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11877].end |
31846.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11877].text |
因為以補足死亡的一個保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[11878].start |
31846.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11878].end |
31847.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11878].text |
所以不能用這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11879].start |
31847.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11879].end |
31849.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11879].text |
因為老保或國保 |
| transcript.whisperx[11880].start |
31849.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11880].end |
31850.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11880].text |
都有所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11881].start |
31850.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11881].end |
31852.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11881].text |
遺囑年金的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[11882].start |
31852.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11882].end |
31854.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11882].text |
所以那個金額上也要去考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[11883].start |
31854.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11883].end |
31856.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11883].text |
所以我說上次就有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[11884].start |
31856.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11884].end |
31858.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11884].text |
衛福部跟主計書都要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[11885].start |
31858.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11885].end |
31860.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11885].text |
有沒有去提出我們比較精算 |
| transcript.whisperx[11886].start |
31860.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11886].end |
31862.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11886].text |
財務的影響分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[11887].start |
31862.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11887].end |
31864.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11887].text |
我不知道分析的結果是什麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[11888].start |
31864.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11888].end |
31866.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11888].text |
而且衛福部到底能接受到 |
| transcript.whisperx[11889].start |
31866.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11889].end |
31867.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11889].text |
延長到幾個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[11890].start |
31867.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11890].end |
31868.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11890].text |
剛剛講五個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[11891].start |
31868.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11891].end |
31870.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11891].text |
有人到十個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[11892].start |
31870.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11892].end |
31873.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11892].text |
甚至針對超過65歲以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[11893].start |
31873.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11893].end |
31875.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11893].text |
沒有辦法理傷障補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[11894].start |
31875.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11894].end |
31877.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11894].text |
衛福部有沒有要調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[11895].start |
31877.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11895].end |
31878.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11895].text |
所以我覺得這個可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[11896].start |
31878.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11896].end |
31879.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11896].text |
今天等一下是不是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[11897].start |
31879.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11897].end |
31881.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11897].text |
麻煩回答一下謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[11898].start |
31881.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11898].end |
31882.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11898].text |
請問不說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[11899].start |
31884.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11899].end |
31885.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11899].text |
非常感謝幾位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[11900].start |
31885.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11900].end |
31887.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11900].text |
對於本案的一個關切 |
| transcript.whisperx[11901].start |
31887.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11901].end |
31889.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11901].text |
我想這個還是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[11902].start |
31889.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11902].end |
31891.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11902].text |
有一個基本的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[11903].start |
31891.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11903].end |
31892.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11903].text |
沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[11904].start |
31893.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11904].end |
31896.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11904].text |
這些國保農保勞保公教保 |
| transcript.whisperx[11905].start |
31896.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11905].end |
31899.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11905].text |
都是台灣的社會福利體系的一環 |
| transcript.whisperx[11906].start |
31899.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11906].end |
31900.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11906].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11907].start |
31901.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11907].end |
31903.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11907].text |
這裡面有一個很大的區別在於 |
| transcript.whisperx[11908].start |
31903.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11908].end |
31905.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[11908].text |
一個是職業別一個是非職業別 |
| transcript.whisperx[11909].start |
31905.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11909].end |
31907.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11909].text |
公保農保勞保基本上就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11910].start |
31907.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11910].end |
31909.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11910].text |
你過去有過這個整個就業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11911].start |
31909.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11911].end |
31911.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11911].text |
一個整個經歷 |
| transcript.whisperx[11912].start |
31911.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11912].end |
31913.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11912].text |
那基本上是為了要鼓勵就業 |
| transcript.whisperx[11913].start |
31913.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11913].end |
31915.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11913].text |
基本上他的相關的給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11914].start |
31915.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11914].end |
31916.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11914].text |
不管就是基數 |
| transcript.whisperx[11915].start |
31916.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11915].end |
31917.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11915].text |
還有他的整個福利項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[11916].start |
31917.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11916].end |
31918.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11916].text |
基本上都會比較高 |
| transcript.whisperx[11917].start |
31919.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[11917].end |
31921.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[11917].text |
這是一個整個社會保險局基本原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[11918].start |
31922.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11918].end |
31923.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11918].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11919].start |
31923.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11919].end |
31924.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11919].text |
國保基本上沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[11920].start |
31924.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11920].end |
31925.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11920].text |
像鄭天才委員剛所說的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11921].start |
31925.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11921].end |
31926.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11921].text |
以上皆非 |
| transcript.whisperx[11922].start |
31926.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11922].end |
31928.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11922].text |
就是你沒有任何的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11923].start |
31928.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11923].end |
31929.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11923].text |
non insurance |
| transcript.whisperx[11924].start |
31929.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11924].end |
31931.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11924].text |
那可是國家還是要來 |
| transcript.whisperx[11925].start |
31931.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11925].end |
31932.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11925].text |
這裡面還是要來幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[11926].start |
31932.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11926].end |
31934.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11926].text |
那這裡面我跟各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[11927].start |
31934.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11927].end |
31935.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11927].text |
主要應該就三類人 |
| transcript.whisperx[11928].start |
31935.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11928].end |
31937.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11928].text |
第一個家庭主婦210萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[11929].start |
31937.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11929].end |
31939.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11929].text |
第二個無一定僱主115萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[11930].start |
31939.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11930].end |
31941.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11930].text |
第三個學生大概40萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[11931].start |
31941.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11931].end |
31945.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11931].text |
那這裡面就因為他們是沒有就業 |
| transcript.whisperx[11932].start |
31945.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11932].end |
31948.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11932].text |
那我也要提醒我也要注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[11933].start |
31948.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11933].end |
31949.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11933].text |
我們基本上我們的福利 |
| transcript.whisperx[11934].start |
31949.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11934].end |
31952.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11934].text |
我們的保險其實基本上是要保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[11935].start |
31952.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11935].end |
31954.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11935].text |
就你有發生事故的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[11936].start |
31954.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11936].end |
31958.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11936].text |
國家用集合眾人之力來幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[11937].start |
31958.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11937].end |
31959.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11937].text |
所以這個基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[11938].start |
31959.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11938].end |
31961.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11938].text |
國保跟其他的殖域保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[11939].start |
31961.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11939].end |
31962.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11939].text |
基本上還是有區別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11940].start |
31962.71 |
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31963.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11940].text |
那所以在這個前提之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[11941].start |
31963.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11941].end |
31965.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11941].text |
所以剛剛我完全同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[11942].start |
31965.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11942].end |
31966.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11942].text |
那個鄭委員剛所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11943].start |
31966.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11943].end |
31968.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11943].text |
這一個整個美意 |
| transcript.whisperx[11944].start |
31968.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11944].end |
31970.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[11944].text |
但是有關於這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11945].start |
31972.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11945].end |
31973.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11945].text |
剛剛所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11946].start |
31973.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11946].end |
31976.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11946].text |
就是國保就是有關於15個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[11947].start |
31976.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11947].end |
31977.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11947].text |
那其實基本上事實上是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11948].start |
31977.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11948].end |
31979.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11948].text |
國家為了要就是對於老農 |
| transcript.whisperx[11949].start |
31979.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11949].end |
31981.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11949].text |
還有對於台灣的農業政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[11950].start |
31981.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11950].end |
31983.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11950].text |
這邊的一個整個鼓勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[11951].start |
31983.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11951].end |
31985.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11951].text |
所以有一個相關的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[11952].start |
31985.08 |
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31988.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11952].text |
所以基本上會到這一個15個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[11953].start |
31988.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11953].end |
31989.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11953].text |
基本上商量津貼會到15個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[11954].start |
31989.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11954].end |
31991.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11954].text |
這個基本上是有這樣的一個考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[11955].start |
31991.08 |
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31993.08 |
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那另外第二個國保這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[11956].start |
31993.08 |
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31995.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11956].text |
我們現在目前是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11957].start |
31995.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11957].end |
31996.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11957].text |
所以有這個5個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[11958].start |
31996.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11958].end |
31997.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11958].text |
跟15個月之間的區別 |
| transcript.whisperx[11959].start |
31997.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11959].end |
31998.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11959].text |
另外第二個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11960].start |
31998.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11960].end |
32001.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11960].text |
在國保這邊除了商量津貼之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[11961].start |
32001.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11961].end |
32002.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11961].text |
其實還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[11962].start |
32003.77 |
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32004.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[11962].text |
還有已屬年金 |
| transcript.whisperx[11963].start |
32004.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[11963].end |
32006.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[11963].text |
而已屬年金事實上是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11964].start |
32006.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[11964].end |
32007.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[11964].text |
是農保那邊他所沒有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11965].start |
32008.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11965].end |
32009.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11965].text |
所以這個我也要 |
| transcript.whisperx[11966].start |
32009.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11966].end |
32011.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11966].text |
也跟委員來做一個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[11967].start |
32011.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11967].end |
32013.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11967].text |
所以我想這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11968].start |
32013.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11968].end |
32015.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11968].text |
這一個金額多寡是另外一回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[11969].start |
32015.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11969].end |
32017.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11969].text |
但是就是說就整個世界各國 |
| transcript.whisperx[11970].start |
32017.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11970].end |
32019.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11970].text |
他的整個這個殖域保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[11971].start |
32019.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11971].end |
32021.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11971].text |
的一個原理跟原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[11972].start |
32021.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11972].end |
32023.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11972].text |
基本上事實上是有這樣的區別 |
| transcript.whisperx[11973].start |
32023.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11973].end |
32024.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11973].text |
以上來一個說明謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[11974].start |
32024.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11974].end |
32027.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11974].text |
那39請王運民委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[11975].start |
32027.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11975].end |
32029.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11975].text |
好這個上次在第一輪討論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[11976].start |
32029.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11976].end |
32031.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11976].text |
事實上我有提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[11977].start |
32031.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11977].end |
32033.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11977].text |
我覺得國民年金 |
| transcript.whisperx[11978].start |
32033.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11978].end |
32034.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11978].text |
其實每一個我們的保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[11979].start |
32034.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11979].end |
32035.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11979].text |
都要看到他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11980].start |
32035.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11980].end |
32037.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11980].text |
你要達到的目標是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[11981].start |
32037.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11981].end |
32040.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11981].text |
然後你設你的整個保險的設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[11982].start |
32040.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11982].end |
32041.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11982].text |
還有你整個的支付 |
| transcript.whisperx[11983].start |
32041.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11983].end |
32042.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11983].text |
是不是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[11984].start |
32042.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11984].end |
32045.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11984].text |
那我如果比較客觀的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11985].start |
32045.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11985].end |
32046.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11985].text |
來看待這件事情的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[11986].start |
32046.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11986].end |
32048.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11986].text |
就是這一次的國民年金保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[11987].start |
32048.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11987].end |
32049.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11987].text |
我覺得最重要的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[11988].start |
32049.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11988].end |
32052.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11988].text |
一個是放寬就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11989].start |
32052.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11989].end |
32055.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11989].text |
他的可以給付的條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[11990].start |
32055.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11990].end |
32056.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11990].text |
這是第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[11991].start |
32056.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11991].end |
32057.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11991].text |
第二個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[11992].start |
32057.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11992].end |
32059.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11992].text |
他領的這個年金 |
| transcript.whisperx[11993].start |
32059.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11993].end |
32063.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11993].text |
足不足以保障他這個之後的生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[11994].start |
32063.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11994].end |
32065.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11994].text |
這就是個保險最重要的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[11995].start |
32065.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11995].end |
32067.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11995].text |
所以這兩件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[11996].start |
32067.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11996].end |
32069.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11996].text |
如果可以優先被滿足 |
| transcript.whisperx[11997].start |
32069.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11997].end |
32071.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11997].text |
我覺得應該是你們要 |
| transcript.whisperx[11998].start |
32071.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11998].end |
32072.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11998].text |
慎重去思考的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11999].start |
32072.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11999].end |
32074.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11999].text |
那至於其他委員提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[12000].start |
32074.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12000].end |
32075.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12000].text |
其他額外的 |
| transcript.whisperx[12001].start |
32075.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12001].end |
32077.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12001].text |
我覺得都尊重個別委員的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[12002].start |
32077.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12002].end |
32079.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12002].text |
但是我覺得我們可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[12003].start |
32079.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12003].end |
32081.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12003].text |
要有所取捨跟優先順序 |
| transcript.whisperx[12004].start |
32081.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12004].end |
32083.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12004].text |
如果說就他的體質本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[12005].start |
32083.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12005].end |
32085.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12005].text |
沒有辦法滿足所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[12006].start |
32085.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12006].end |
32087.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12006].text |
增加的各委員需要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[12007].start |
32087.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12007].end |
32089.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12007].text |
那我覺得大家應該要回到一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[12008].start |
32089.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12008].end |
32091.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12008].text |
我們國民保險裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[12009].start |
32091.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12009].end |
32094.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12009].text |
我們最希望改變照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[12010].start |
32094.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12010].end |
32096.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12010].text |
然後跟優先滿足的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[12011].start |
32096.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12011].end |
32097.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12011].text |
那如果你問我 |
| transcript.whisperx[12012].start |
32097.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12012].end |
32098.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12012].text |
我個人覺得這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[12013].start |
32098.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12013].end |
32100.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12013].text |
適度的去做一些放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[12014].start |
32100.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12014].end |
32102.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12014].text |
還有就是我們剛剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[12015].start |
32102.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12015].end |
32104.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12015].text |
你們剛剛調百分之二十三 |
| transcript.whisperx[12016].start |
32104.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12016].end |
32106.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12016].text |
是不是已經足以足夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[12017].start |
32106.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12017].end |
32108.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12017].text |
就一個基本的生活手續 |
| transcript.whisperx[12018].start |
32108.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12018].end |
32109.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12018].text |
是不是足以足夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[12019].start |
32109.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12019].end |
32110.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12019].text |
在五千跟六千之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[12020].start |
32110.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12020].end |
32113.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12020].text |
我個人認為還可以有一些的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[12021].start |
32113.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12021].end |
32117.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12021].text |
那這個應該是第一層優先滿足 |
| transcript.whisperx[12022].start |
32117.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12022].end |
32118.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12022].text |
那其他如果你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[12023].start |
32118.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12023].end |
32120.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12023].text |
譬如說你那個整個繳費的 |
| transcript.whisperx[12024].start |
32120.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12024].end |
32122.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[12024].text |
繳費率就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[12025].start |
32123.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12025].end |
32125.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12025].text |
有長足的保障進步什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[12026].start |
32125.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12026].end |
32128.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12026].text |
那其他委員希望可以再增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[12027].start |
32128.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12027].end |
32129.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12027].text |
大家都是利益良善 |
| transcript.whisperx[12028].start |
32129.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12028].end |
32131.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12028].text |
但是我覺得就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[12029].start |
32131.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12029].end |
32132.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12029].text |
如果你的保費 |
| transcript.whisperx[12030].start |
32132.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12030].end |
32134.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12030].text |
你們現在保費繳費率多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[12031].start |
32134.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12031].end |
32135.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12031].text |
一直都很差 |
| transcript.whisperx[12032].start |
32135.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12032].end |
32137.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12032].text |
百分之三 百分之四十左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[12033].start |
32137.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12033].end |
32139.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12033].text |
對啊 所以他沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[12034].start |
32139.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12034].end |
32140.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12034].text |
跟其他的保險相比你 |
| transcript.whisperx[12035].start |
32140.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12035].end |
32142.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12035].text |
其他的保險幾乎是 |
| transcript.whisperx[12036].start |
32142.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12036].end |
32143.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12036].text |
百分之百的繳費率 |
| transcript.whisperx[12037].start |
32143.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12037].end |
32144.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12037].text |
但是在國保裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[12038].start |
32144.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12038].end |
32147.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12038].text |
政府是負擔了六成 |
| transcript.whisperx[12039].start |
32147.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12039].end |
32148.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12039].text |
幾乎是六成 |
| transcript.whisperx[12040].start |
32148.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12040].end |
32149.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12040].text |
繳費率只有四成 |
| transcript.whisperx[12041].start |
32149.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12041].end |
32150.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12041].text |
是沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[12042].start |
32150.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12042].end |
32151.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12042].text |
對 這個就是他體質 |
| transcript.whisperx[12043].start |
32151.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12043].end |
32153.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12043].text |
因為他體質先天其實是不良 |
| transcript.whisperx[12044].start |
32153.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12044].end |
32155.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12044].text |
所以我覺得坦白講我們討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[12045].start |
32155.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12045].end |
32157.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12045].text |
就是大家可以基於一些事實 |
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32157.96 |
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他實質的狀況 |
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當然可以一直加 |
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但是就是最終如果 |
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如果你的保費 收費率是這樣 |
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坦白講這個保險 |
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32168.48 |
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他就不是自己自主的保險 |
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32168.48 |
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32170.48 |
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他還是靠國家力量 |
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32171.8 |
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花了很大的力氣 |
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才讓他走到現在 |
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如果要靠他自己自主 |
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他找負債不知道到哪裡去了 |
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32178.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[12057].text |
其實坦白講是這樣 |
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對啦 |
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好 那這個是保留還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[12060].start |
32183.07 |
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32184.07 |
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保留上學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[12061].start |
32184.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[12061].end |
32185.81 |
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好 |
| transcript.whisperx[12062].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12062].end |
32189.27 |
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我完全同意保留 |
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32190.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12063].text |
但是我也簡單回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[12064].start |
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那個玉米委員剛剛所說 |
| transcript.whisperx[12065].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12065].end |
32192.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12065].text |
完全同意 |
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32193.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12066].text |
所以基本上這裡面是 |
| transcript.whisperx[12067].start |
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32194.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12067].text |
基本上 |
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| transcript.whisperx[12068].end |
32195.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12068].text |
剛剛委員剛剛所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[12069].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12069].end |
32196.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12069].text |
事實上是有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[12070].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12070].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[12070].text |
整個給付的市足性 |
| transcript.whisperx[12071].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12071].text |
elegancy的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[12072].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12072].end |
32201.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12072].text |
這裡面確實是可討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[12073].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12073].end |
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就是說五千或六千 |
| transcript.whisperx[12074].start |
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到底能不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[12075].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12075].end |
32204.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12075].text |
這個事實上是一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[12076].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12076].end |
32207.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12076].text |
但是我也要跟各位報告就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[12077].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12077].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[12077].text |
因為他畢竟是社會保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[12078].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12078].end |
32210.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12078].text |
社會保險基本上還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[12079].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12079].end |
32211.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12079].text |
還是有一個整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[12080].start |
32211.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12080].end |
32213.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12080].text |
就是有一個整個繳費的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[12081].start |
32213.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12081].end |
32215.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12081].text |
那我也跟各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[12082].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12082].end |
32216.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12082].text |
全世界各國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[12083].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12083].end |
32218.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12083].text |
這個國民年金 |
| transcript.whisperx[12084].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12084].end |
32219.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12084].text |
基本上財務上都是有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[12085].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12085].end |
32220.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12085].text |
包括像 |
| transcript.whisperx[12086].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12086].end |
32222.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12086].text |
因為都弱勢嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[12087].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12087].end |
32224.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12087].text |
就是說我剛剛講的那幾類 |
| transcript.whisperx[12088].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12088].end |
32225.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12088].text |
家庭主婦 |
| transcript.whisperx[12089].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12089].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[12089].text |
無一定僱主 |
| transcript.whisperx[12090].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12090].end |
32227.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12090].text |
學生等等這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[12091].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12091].end |
32231.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12091].text |
但是這一點我們也要來檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[12092].start |
32231.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12092].end |
32232.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12092].text |
相較於日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[12093].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12093].end |
32236.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12093].text |
日本的話大概他的國民年金繳費率是59 |
| transcript.whisperx[12094].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12094].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[12094].text |
韓國的話是53 |
| transcript.whisperx[12095].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12095].end |
32238.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12095].text |
那台灣40 |
| transcript.whisperx[12096].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[12096].end |
32239.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12096].text |
我們現在目前也在提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[12097].start |
32239.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12097].end |
32241.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12097].text |
也在透過各項的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[12098].start |
32241.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12098].end |
32242.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12098].text |
希望能夠來提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[12099].start |
32242.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12099].end |
32243.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12099].text |
但是我完全同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[12100].start |
32243.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12100].end |
32245.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12100].text |
這個委員剛剛所說的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[12101].start |
32245.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12101].end |
32247.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12101].text |
世足性這個也確實是我們這次 |
| transcript.whisperx[12102].start |
32247.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12102].end |
32248.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12102].text |
應該要來檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[12103].start |
32248.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12103].end |
32249.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[12103].text |
以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[12104].start |
32251.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[12104].end |
32256.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[12104].text |
本日會議時間一屆審查及繼續審查行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[12105].start |
32256.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[12105].end |
32258.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[12105].text |
含情審議國民年金法 |
| transcript.whisperx[12106].start |
32258.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[12106].end |
32260.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[12106].text |
部分條文修正草案等73案 |
| transcript.whisperx[12107].start |
32260.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[12107].end |
32262.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[12107].text |
三位審查完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[12108].start |
32262.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[12108].end |
32264.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[12108].text |
另擇期繼續審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[12109].start |
32264.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[12109].end |
32265.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[12109].text |
本次會議到此結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[12110].start |
32265.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[12110].end |
32266.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[12110].text |
現在上會 |
| transcript.whisperx[12111].start |
32272.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[12111].end |
32273.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[12111].text |
有問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[12112].start |
32274.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[12112].end |
32276.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[12112].text |
謝謝你 |
| transcript.whisperx[12113].start |
32279.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[12113].end |
32280.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[12113].text |
謝謝 |