| IVOD_ID |
17566 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17566 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-02T08:31:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-02T18:24:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
09:52:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/3832c314c43c373d54a3d42338be12642042dc10dca826777149c28021a32520e05df93c0951e51b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部及所屬單位預算案。
二、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款文化部主管部分預算案。
三、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化機構作業基金附屬單位預算案。
四、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管文化發展基金附屬單位預算案。
五、繼續審查115年度行政法人國家表演藝術中心、文化內容策進院、國家電影及視聽文化中心預算案。
【6月29日及7月1日、2日三天一次會】） |
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完整會議 |
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08:31:02 - 18:24:00 |
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報告委員會現在繼續開會本人會議議程式據審查115年度中央政府總預算有關文化部所屬單位預算案之下是縣市政府一般性不主管文化部主管部分預算案國立文化機構作業基金及文化發展基金附屬單位預算案115年度行政法人國家表演藝術中心文化內容測進月國家電影及視聽文化中心預算案 |
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首先先介紹在場的委員 羅志強委員郭育晴委員柯志恩委員蔡春秋委員陳秀寶委員葛如軍委員翁曉琳委員 |
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不好意思剛剛柯政委員比較嬌小所以被羅志祥擋到了不好意思那介紹與會官員文化部部長黎遠政務次長李靖惠政務次長王詩詩王詩詩不好意思常務次長徐怡君 |
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行政法人國家表演藝術中心董事長楊祺文行政法人文化內容策進院院長王敏慧國家電影及視聽文化中心董事長褚明仁行政院主計總署公務預算處專門委員陳台偉 |
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其餘列席機關請參閱名單不在主意介紹並列入公報紀錄 |
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現在進行預算案審查文化部所屬單位預算提案至總計287案基金預算案3案行政法人提案預算案7案進行討論前先說明一下我們的預算案的處理方式委員所提預算提案稅入部分依來源別以向為單位稅數部分以機關別以目 |
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好 我們現在休息兩分鐘我們要下去換位置 |
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好我們現在開會首先處理稅務部分依款別以項為單位依序處理來第二款罰款及賠償收入196項文化部提案案號第一案 |
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請提案委員說明好如果沒有委員有意見的話我們就照案通過對不起預算照列 |
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第四款財產收入第208項文化部提案案號第二案及第三案審查的部分請提案委員說明葛國均委員謝謝好 謝謝主席那本席所提的第二案是關於藝術銀行的租金收入 |
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那藝術銀行的核心內涵其實就是政府購買我國的藝術家尤其是新興藝術家的作品那本席自己也有非常多這個做藝術創作的朋友不管是數位藝術新媒體藝術那其實這樣的一個機制是值得鼓勵的 |
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由政府來購買然後我們再有一個機會輸出給政府部門公司立法人團體或民間企業藉此鼓勵潛力的藝術家一起來提升我們台灣藝術家跟藝術品的能見度 |
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那這也是台灣唯一一個以構製作品形式來扶植潛力藝術家的一個公設機制本席一直以來都非常支持這樣的一個機制那也希望能夠當作他們的一個第一步或者一個墊腳石那我們立法院韓國瑜院長還有我們立法院的相關單位也非常支持啊 |
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所以在我们最近的几个会期在很多的会议的场所我们也都有使用文化银行这样的一些租用文化银行这样的一些作品那像我们教文委员会各位如果目光往后看其实这幅非常美丽的作品就是由文化银行来的那但是呢我们也看到本席像这个本席办公室像艺术银行索取租赁的客户名系却发现 |
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民國113年到115年之間那藝術銀行的租賃客戶卻有逐年減少的趨勢 |
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從113年的78名客戶下降到115年只剩下62名客戶那待會也希望能夠請這個有負責像這個藝術銀行的這個項目的這個相關的人員或者官員能不能說明一下客戶減少的原因那另外呢本席也收集了國外的案例像英國的government art collection |
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除了將收藏展示於政府的建築外像我們的立法院的會議場所他還會非常主動的將藝術品送到駐外使館等等的場域展示那這是非常重要的那去提升我國藝術家的國際知名度的一個非常好的機會那在此呢也希望同步的提出給藝術銀行作為相關的參考 |
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或許我們已經在做了或許做的還可以再更多那也希望可以比照辦理去增加我們新興藝術家也好或者是比較成熟的藝術家一起來去增加產品曝光的機會所以那既然我們預算已經編了有一個這麼好的機制也運行了多年但是如果這個相關的人數租賃的客戶有下降什麼樣的原因是租賃客戶下降了但是租賃的作品增加 |
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那相關的這個狀態能不能請就待會稍微說明一下那不過整體來講預算的部分基於支持本土新興藝術的立場那本席同意此案改為主決議那也請文化部於三個月內提供書面的報告待會能夠檢要口頭說明的也許可以補充說明但如果 |
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進一步有些相關的數據還需要進一步的來了解的請三個月內來提供書面的報告這樣我們來一起追蹤後續辦理的情況 謝謝好 請主管機關回覆謝謝各位委員剛才講這個的確我們對於那個視覺藝術這一項是我們最重要的一個一個幫助這個年輕藝術家的這個一個項目所以我們會繼續努力 |
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謝謝委員關心藝術銀行的業務藝術銀行從102年到現在為止它購入的藝術家人次已經到達2000人次 |
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他累計作品流動量也已經到達11,367件次雖然可能客戶有逐年減少但是他的出租的件數是逐年在增加他一直到114年的租金收入已經超過370萬今年他比110年的時候他已經成長將近49.85%的成長率 |
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到今年15年到5月為止他的作品得通數也已經到達679件次那收入已經超過300萬所以他是逐年在逐步的增加那他現在除了租貸之外他也拓展很多的跟企業的合作像台積電像台糖像他跟鳥屋書店合作 |
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請我補充一下 |
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好謝謝主席我稍微簡要的謝謝謝謝文化部相關的這個同仁官員的一些回覆那相關資料我們上個月內提出那剛剛你有提到一個這個補助應該說購入的作品的作 |
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作者的人次是2000人次那這個待之後稍微補充數據過來的時候希望不要只是人次因為人次應該意思是說同一個人買了10件那就是10人次那這個這樣子我們會看不出來或許這個購入有過度集中 |
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或者是希望能够再分散的一个情况那当然我想在这个购入的策略上我们也尊重专业啦不过我想相关的数据我们也希望这个有比较完整的因为如果都是以件次以人次我们可能会没有办法评估因为我想这个艺术银行有其中一个目的应该要更加广泛平均的让每一个更多的艺术家有更多这个均衡的机会让各种不同类型的艺术家都有发展的机会这个我们也一起来努力谢谢 |
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謝謝回覆 謝謝好那第二案改為主決議我們其他的就 |
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處理稅率的部分我們預算照列稅率處理完畢繼續處理稅出的提案處理時以幕後節為單位依序由各提案委員先就提案的內容進行說明再由機關代表予以答覆然後再依幕後節做成決議現在處理稅出部分第一項文化部通案部分提案案號第四案文化部 |
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請提案委員說明好 那委員不在的話請問現在針對的是第幾款嗎第四案第四案 OK好 如果委員不在的話那我們就預算照列我們繼續往下進行 |
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接著我們處理第一項文化部通案的部分派員出國計畫提案案號第五案 |
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請問一下現在是只要是第一項了我們就可以舉手來發言嗎今天的正常我們是4到20啦但是因為計劃別不一樣所以議事單位他們有稍微先區隔好那所以現在是討論第二案嘛對我知道第五案第五案 |
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我知道委員待會就是第六案了啦但我要再講一次我們第一項原本是第一項全部四到四到十六案要一起討論但是因為他的計畫別不一樣所以我們今天教文委員會的我們的議事人員他就是有做區隔請大家稍微體諒一下待會就會整體討論好嗎好來我們再來就是接著派員出國計畫的部分是第五案蔡尊重委員有要發言嗎謝謝請發言 |
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好 謝謝 我針對這一個提出一個開花那個出國的一個經費當然我本人也是支持但是應該要有明確的一個目的跟成果回饋尤其我本人更支持這個文化外交所以國際交流展會合作計畫還有文化的輸出 |
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個人是非常支持的啦但是我們希望文化部能夠提出出國的計畫還有成果的一個應用的一個報告那這個本來我就改為主決議好 改為主決議順便我想請問一下是不是請我們的主管機關回覆也請主管機關回覆你們的出國計畫大概是去哪些國家讓我們知道 |
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出國旅費是用於像是語訊然後我們國家漫畫籌備出去還有像去法國比利時的漫畫節來做考察還有我們的國際國家的鐵道博物館去京都等等這些地方 |
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那這些出國的旅費實際上的運用是針對業務需求然後它的執行它派員的人數跟它的效益都會公佈在文化部的官網上給公眾來做這個監督以上好陳仲偉委員他有給你答覆有討論過嗎好 了解那再給我們書面書面資料有去中國大陸嗎 |
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有經費可以去中國大陸但是這是那個國際的旅費的部分還在審查當中那委員也有 像羅委員也有提出所以有去嗎他們如果要去我們是譬如說去香港去年要去他們是不給我們簽證所以因案而異這樣子有的可以去有的不可以 |
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好OK那蔡順崇委員改為主決議第五案那預算照列接著處理第一項文化部通案的部分通案那媒體政策及業務選導提案的案號請大家稍微聽一下是提案案號六案到第十案 |
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六案到第四案我们请翁晓琳委员先发言谢谢好那么这次针对文化部的没宣费本身要强调就是114年度文化部的没宣费是零元那么但是呢我们看到其实即便它是零元可是事实上文化部在整个的这个没宣的宣传上面并没有有什么打折扣或者是有什么做不好的地方 |
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他们透过新闻稿在他们给我的说明里面有讲到文化部在媒宣费全部删除之后他们就调整他们的媒宣的策略透过新闻稿的发布社群媒体间的口碑发酵以及与海外合作单位都有宣传通路在海外强化活动的宣传成果斐然有目共睹 |
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所以基於這樣的一個情況既然文化部在沒有預算的情況之下都可以做得這麼好那麼又何必今年再編列高達4738萬的預算所以本行認為這個是一個非必要的支出更何況現在我們的政府的預算大幅的成長那麼我們已經舉債 |
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四千多亿所以在这样的一个情况之下煤宣费我再强调它是个非必要支出更何况凭着这个文化部这个李部长他的这个自己的人脉然后他自己的这个这个说明各方面它本身它就是一个最好的新闻媒介所以呢不需要再编列任何的煤宣费以上说明 |
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好 還有沒有委員要發言不然我們就順著過來啦對 我剛好忘記補充我是全數刪減4738萬全數刪減好 請提案委員都在現場不要離開好 再來蔡勝文委員 謝謝好 |
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那針對這個媒先會呢我覺得媒先會不同於一般的一個補助公共服務啦那可能呢會涉及到那個政策的一個宣傳還有活動的推廣媒體的採購社群的一個投放還有內容的製作專題報導還有形象的一個包裝如果沒有事前的一個清楚的揭露政策的一個目的呢採購方式還有投放的平台目標 |
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受眾還有績效指標還有驗收的方式我們立法院是很難以判斷這個支出是否是必要的而且是不是有檢驗而且有效所以我覺得文化部作為一個文化政策的主管機關更應該以高標準的落實來標示揭露行政要中立績效要能夠經得起檢驗 |
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這是我的看法 所以我維持凍結一千萬好 下一位01級委員 謝謝 |
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謝主席 這個有關於翁小林委員這個提案然後我們本委有羅廷偉委員跟羅志強委員這個幫忙提案我覺得這好像就是在跟台灣文化宣戰這個惡劣到我搞不清楚說你們到底是哪一國的立委提案說要刪除 |
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文化部沒宣費這個理由 我看這個提案理由實在是很傲慢又愚蠢 |
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剛剛歐委員有說 說反正美學會之前全部被刪所以現在沒有預算沒什麼大不了我覺得那這樣子就等於是壞到根本不願意讓台灣被世界看見 |
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去年在沒有這個沒宣費的狀況之下文化部大阪世界博覽會必須停止所有的宣傳包括文化幣的宣傳黃牛防制的宣傳大家不是最在意嗎這個黃牛票黃牛怎麼樣防幣這樣的宣傳搶救寒冬的閱讀推廣的行銷很多的基本的宣傳通通都不能做 |
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是全國公民看不下去發起募款才協助文化部把相關的工作繼續進行上去所以怎麼會說什麼沒有影響這個我完全不懂那文化需要每天細心的灌溉那台灣今天的文化成果是那麼多年累積的成果文化是一天可以一觸可及的嗎那這些成果不進則退 |
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這些機會稍縱即逝我們今天的作為是相關於決定十年後世界看到的台灣文化長什麼樣子啊所以我拜託國民黨高抬貴手喔表現像是台灣的立委一點喔不要像是境外勢力來惡搞台灣的喔以上唉 羅委員請問羅總委可以發言嗎唉呦 是我發言嗎 |
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趙旋旋不是我嗎沒有啊我剛剛舉手啦你剛剛不是說我發言嗎好啦等一下等一下會再讓你說好好那個我先講一下喔等一下等一下等一下議警委員有點名的話待會就在這邊宣告啦有點名我先宣告我沒有說我要做決定可以嗎那可以我發言了嗎 |
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現在宣告有點名的話呢其他委員就可以打破順序蛤就可以重新再來回覆因為你點名他你要讓他回覆啊請尊重主席啦我說現在宣告所以待會開始那可以先讓我發當然可以啊但是我要宣告等我宣告完畢嘛好我等你等你等你那你就不要點名嘛你點名人家當然要回覆一下民主討論嘛國喻巡委員 |
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我想這個文創產業或者是我們的國片還有很多的獨立樂團那影視是極度高度依賴宣傳的那我舉個例子來講像這樣子一個荒謬的一個提案等於是文化殺手的一種提案這要馬而好又不給馬吃草我舉例這很像是你開了一間店在偏遠的地區 |
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然後你需要發傳單你需要做廣告你可能要去街坊鄰居去跟人家拜託說我這邊開了一家店歡迎大家來然後現在是說你這些都不用做你也不用發傳單你也不用打廣告你也不用去跟街坊鄰居講說你開了一家店你要打折什麼都不用 |
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反正你電還活著啊 你電還開著啊這是同樣的一種道理喔我再舉另外一個例子這有沒有點像說 你手機看起來還好好的啊問題是我手機沒有辦法對外連接啊我手機只有最基本的功能我連Wi-Fi的功能可能都壞掉都沒有辦法做了他說不會啊 你手機還好的啊 看起來還好的啊不用嘛 不用再給你錢再去換手機嘛 |
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是這麼荒謬的一個提案喔我們一直不斷的在講我們一直不斷的在講台灣的影視產業是怎麼樣辛辛苦苦走到現在我每一次在我的地方在包場電影請大家走進戲院去支持我們的國片需要的就是這些宣傳嘛我們要讓台灣的文化走出去也是需要宣傳嘛現在全部大比一三 |
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變成文化殺手了耶那很簡單嘛我再舉個例子立委在立法院好好的啊活得好好的啊乾脆都不要助理好了反正你一個人也能活嘛是這種道理嗎不要這麼誇張啦大家都坐在這裡好好的在審預算大家都坐在這裡希望台灣的文化能夠往外延伸 |
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我們需要的就是這些業務的宣導費我不想點名誰啦但我真的要表達嚴重的抗議我真的不知道全部砍什麼叫做零元也能活那你把助理都砍掉你一個人也能好好的活在立法院啊不是嗎這什麼道理啊市長 |
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我們台灣的文化沒有被世界看見嗎?去年的是大阪博覽會,我們台灣的同胞去了多少人?我們沒有被人家看見嗎? |
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这跟业务宣传的没宣布有什么正相关没有正相关在去年文化部一毛钱的没宣布没有照样做得很好啊林远部长说的话没有被宣传出去吗媒体没有报道吗所以不要说什么我们没有被世界看见台湾文化没有被世界看见那根本就扯谎更何况文化部 |
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每年编了两三百亿的这个几百数百亿的经费各个业务单位他们本身就可以去做业务宣导就是透过各方式开记者会发新闻稿然后透过这种口碑的这个行销都可以的为什么一定要花钱去买广告拍广告而且还把这个没宣费给特定的媒体 |
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我認為這個是沒有必要的我今天在提案單裡面寫得清清楚楚現在政府舉債四千多億是誰造成的民進黨政府左一個特別預算 右一個特別預算這些都不是老百姓的錢嗎政府公帑就應該要用在刀口上 |
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我們不是文化殺手我們是文化保護者我們希望能夠把這些錢真的用在給更多的文化事業的推廣上面給更多的文化團體 |
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而不是讓文化部自己不好好去做自己的政策宣導然後呢把這些錢就是圖利給特定的電視台特定的媒體沒有必要所以以去年的例子來講文化部沒有沒宣費照樣可以做業務宣導文化傳播因此今年的這筆錢我堅持一定要全刪沒有必要浪費這個沒宣費 |
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好 來 羅志祥委員你要講喔喔 好 羅志祥委員 |
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其實我覺得文化部確實還蠻需要宣傳經費的啦應該是非常需要那宣傳怎麼性侵謀小孩應該是蠻需要宣傳的那宣傳怎麼樣在我們所有的全國的影視創作團隊都這麼缺公帑的時候缺國家資源移住的時候光一部功夫就可以補助 |
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一億五千萬啦所以這麼好的一個單位錢這麼多難怪我今天我看到翁小英委員她的提案要全部刪除關鍵在哪裡不用隨便扣人家什麼愚蠢的帽子也不要扣人家什麼境外勢力的帽子我覺得文化部到現在為止針對我們這一個過程當中我們提出來很多的事情文化部到底它有沒有著眼 |
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入力於自己本業的宣傳公平的來使用政府的預算翁小林委員提的一樣是個道理啊一樣是個道理啊即便說文宣費今天在翁小林提案當中把它全刪但是翁小林委員也指出啊看起來文化部也沒有妨礙文化部今天一億五千萬的補助啊也沒有妨礙文化部今天大力的宣揚鼓勵大家性侵毛小孩啊 |
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完全沒影響嘛業績這麼好啊所以呢今天汪小玲提案她當然有她的道理啊那我這邊也講我的提案啊我的提案是 |
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這個按照立法院預算中心的指出115年度沒宣費當中全球佈局策略推展計畫國際跟兩岸區域佈局計畫工作內容重疊那加上五年來文化部的沒宣費一直在增加121年度是36039000元 |
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那到現在今年是提出來是4378萬元那考量文化部這個過去的所有的一些宣傳的表現那我認為說依照行政院主計處的預算編制作業精進措施應該要從成本效益的觀點全盤思考那檢討它的必要性跟合理性減少 |
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不經濟的支出 更何況國家現在財政上也應該要相當的節約所以依節約原則我的提案是減劣2500萬我最後還是要回頭一句話啦 |
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這預算討論大家就各憑己見去提出意見不會是每一個不會哪一個意見是完全沒有他的理由那在這邊相互尊重不要動不動就扣人家什麼愚蠢境外勢力的帽子好好的討論這樣子才是預算的專業 以上各政委員 |
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好 我聽羅志強委員說的因為這個某種程度預算中心也認為這次的預算是有點增加太多但是我還是要請教一下因為我們現在已經是115年已經進入到下半年我是不是想請問一下文化部這個沒宣4378萬現在目前已經支出了多少目前還沒有動目前還沒有去動 |
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对 因为已经到下半年度了所以目前是没有动因为我那时候所提出来有简略但是文化部有来跟我讨有来跟我解释像是你们刚刚杰出的这些金曲奖我还是要说金曲奖这次办得还蛮成功的还有金钟奖的实际的一个支出你们都把它当作是这个没宣费吗 |
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你们都把它当作是没宣发在这个里面来说嘛所以如果说我个人真的觉得我们就是来讨论如果你们真的要捍卫自己的预算的话应该列出清单像以金曲奖金钟奖这个金马奖这三金我想在场的委员在这一块当中其实是全力来支持的那如果这些都是放在你们今天这一栏当中的一些的宣传的话你们应该把它列个清单出来这才是你们自己 |
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你还不让他放在这边然后再加上其实委员我觉得大家是可以同理的因为委员有很多在过去当中真的在发生这么多一些政治事件当中那有很多的团体里面所用的经费是来自于文化部而且文化部里面大家认为是不符合我们所认知的一些的预算跟宣传所以以至于这些的情绪都会在这一次的这个部分里面来做一个抒发来做一个 |
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一个处理所以我认为你们如果说是在这个我刚刚所重视的这个金曲金钟这个部分也在宣传里面也在你们这个部分里面列出清单哪些是实际的业务支出然后你们对于这个预算中心认为跟相对于过去几年来中增加这么多我觉得应该有一个很完整的说明那这个说明完之后然后大家来看看这个预算到底怎么处理我觉得这才是一个比较合理的讨论好不好 |
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好 吳佩儀委員我這邊要呼籲柯志恩委員因為這個文化部的沒選委之前我有跟你們關心因為去年被刪到零之後就是我很關注一個就是我們的這個書展書展的宣傳馬上就受到影響所以那時候必須要有主辦單位他們要來自籌 |
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那另外去年在大阪的這個世博我們也有一個文化台灣的這個展演那當時因為沒宣費被刪到零同樣的是沒有辦法在國外宣傳所以後來也是由民間的藝文團體來發起這個募資才有辦法去支應然後另外因為我一直很關切也希望文化部一定要去加強的就是針對打擊黃牛票這個行為的宣導 |
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那過去這個費用也是放在沒宣費裡面那去年以去年來講我就覺得你們的宣傳非常的不足這個部分我覺得都要去加強那還有另外一個案件是我很關切是台北時裝週這個是文化部跟台北市文化局一起來合作舉辦的那過去沒宣費也要來宣傳台北時裝週我覺得台北時裝週我們這幾年的宣傳明顯的 |
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我觉得还不够多很多台北的年轻人是关心时尚却不知道这个活动所以呢我在今天的这个说明里面我觉得也是不够清楚我希望文化部要把我们没宣费实际在使用的这个项目一一的把它罗列出来那我想呢对预算的监督这当然是立委的职权 |
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可以來去刪減或者是凍結可是如果當刪除像沒宣費這一筆要把它刪除到零我覺得有點不合比例啦我還是希望說我們可以具體的來討論就是到底說針對哪一個宣傳的項目我們是認為這個不需要第一個你認為它不需要去宣傳嗎或第二個覺得不需要花那麼多的經費宣傳 |
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那這可以討論可是如果說我們現在都沒有針對項目而是用通刪的方式通刪的方式我會覺得民眾也會不清楚說到底立法院在審議的過程是基於什麼樣的理由要把文化部的沒選費刪除到零所以在這一點我還是希望在委會可以充分的來討論那也請文化部要可能提出具體的說明 |
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因為我個人是認為我剛剛講的這些幾個文化業務的宣傳是很重要因為主要是我們不是只要辦活動而已我們要面對台灣的群眾我們也要面對國際的市場這些都需要靠宣傳讓更多人知道這些資訊從而更加的認識台灣的文化這個要拜託文化部能夠再具體的把每一個項目說明清楚 |
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好待會麻煩那個文化部具體的說明包括柯志恩委員也有提到金曲相關的獎我們都已經辦完活動了那可是剛剛你們又說沒宣費沒有做任何的使用金曲獎也都辦完了所以到底是怎麼一回事你要不要說明清楚那麻煩待會統一回答再來葉元芝委員 |
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對的 我覺得因為沒宣費這樣狂烈確實大家會不知道說到底要用在哪裡那當然文化部的業務非常多包括像柯政委員剛剛講金曲獎還有吳佩玉委員講的遊蘇展或者是打黃牛等等那因為這也都有各自的計畫也有可能各自計畫裡面也有各自的沒宣費 |
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例如說他一大筆錢在做金曲獎那裡面做金曲獎的計畫裡面又有一部分是要去做金曲獎的宣傳同樣的比如說書展的相關的活動裡面又有沒宣費藏在書展裡面的活動 |
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所以我覺得這個是有必要說明這一整筆媒宣費到底它的用途是在哪裡不然的話講得很籠統的話大家可能真的不曉得說這個錢有沒有必要然後第二個我也想要進一步想要知道因為媒宣媒宣這其實非常抽象的一個概念就是買媒體嘛那請問是買什麼媒體 |
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是電視網路戶外廣告還是什麼然後它達到效益它有沒有針對你每一個目標群眾去做宣傳還是說為了買而買那我覺得這個部分就是你的溝通的對象你採用的訊息還有你的通路這些可不可以也稍微進一步說明一下謝謝 |
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好現在又再增加那葉元之委員希望能夠了解沒宣費實際的媒體有這樣子的一個發包有哪些媒體是否可以列出清單提供一些資料數據給在場委員說服那如果沒有辦法說服的話我們待會就要來處理這一項提案再來吳思耀委員 |
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好 台湾的外交困境我想大家都非常清楚作为国会议员我们的职责我们的理念是想方设法的能够让国际有台湾的声音所以为什么这一届包括韩国瑜院长也正率领着跨党派的议员们前往美国不管是从事政治上我们理念的民主的宣传或者是文化国家软实力的推广 |
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这就是国会的职责跨党派都应当让文化作为最有效的工具最有效的管道来为台湾发声所以对于文化的预算尤其是文化外交的预算现在在台湾面临的国际处境上我相信我也认为我也长期观察 |
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不管哪一黨派的委員站在質詢台上都要求文化部全力推動文化外交不是嗎但是為什麼在處理預算的當下我們的委員卻提案要來為難文化部推動文化外交甚至是自我閹割要讓自己國家透過文化力 |
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讓台灣的實力被國際看見的這一個重要的經費就要大筆的來刪除在我來看台灣現在正是國力強大的時候台灣成為世界的關鍵字文化不能缺席 |
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剛剛大家有提到的有委員在垂詢跟質疑等下文化部可以說明但我長期的理解沒宣費不是只有去購買媒體廣告而已啦 |
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我们对外搭着国际的Mega Event譬如巴黎奥运 东京奥运例如我们的大阪世博我这个真的非常感同身受利用Mega Event组成文化的台湾队到世界发声其实就在2016年那一届的立法院我们开始落实为文化的政策 |
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那文化的媒宣除了对外向国际发声也是对内当我们要推动文化政策让文化的思维深入每一个国人让文化成为大家的日常的时候我们需要跟国人来宣导宣传现在文化部有什么样子的活动有什么样的文化措施包括大家都支持的文化币 |
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我們需要透過跟國人來宣揚現在國家提供的各項文化資源大家趕快來善用所以梅宣不只是在國際上為台灣發聲也是對內深植台灣國人的文化力的重要的管道 |
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所以說我看到委員的提案非常的粗糙的以政府要蹲結公帑共體時間這樣的一個理由這樣的一個理由你可以套在所有的提案我看到似乎要提案刪減沒宣費的不是只針對文化部啦就是這樣子的一個非常籠統的 |
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理由只要来删减任何一笔珍贵的预算又如同委员在提案当中讲的这个国际的媒宣为零元依旧运作顺畅大家应当都看到了多少我们的公民朋友为了文化外交用募资的方式用名利的方式 |
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站在內地國家要用的衣裳沒辦法讓人民出力然後現在反過頭來被立法委員說你們沒有這筆錢也可以活得好好的也可以推動得有成果 |
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這些立委不曉得文化人多麼努力的在奔走因為國會不挺文化沒有預算他們只好站出來所以說委員這種提案的理由非常的籠統啊我倒要請提案的委員說明您認為補助腐爛哪一筆補助腐爛您認為會引起民眾的負面評價哪一個項目 |
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有什麼樣的依據讓您提出這樣的一個指涉所以不要用一個意識形態不好意思我認為這樣一個提案因為在其他部門也有這樣的提案也是同樣的意識形態看到沒宣費就看看到瘀青就開清看到這種讓台灣可以在國際發聲的機會就要自我閹割 |
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所以如果委員惡意的把這樣子的不明就理的刪減預算您刪減預算的理由拿不出具體的合理的主張我認為這樣真的就只是淪為政治的意識形態在為難自己的國家而已如果台灣的文化聲音沒有辦法傳到世界全世界只剩下中國的聲音 |
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尤其非常諷刺中國新上路的民族團結促進什麼法的正是讓世界各國都在為台灣發聲的時候都在為這種中國假文化之名進行政治統戰之時的時候台灣不能沒有國際的聲音就在中國把這個惡法上路的這一天 |
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我們自己的立委在文化部門砍這樣的預算是不是去負荷了中國用文化的這種施壓不容許任何文化多元思維的存在 |
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這個當下正是台灣要團結各種力量各個部門向世界發聲的時候可是非常諷刺在教育文化委員會我們的委員要提案自我閹割我們的文化國際的影響力我也是要請在部長回應的時候我還是認為委員要刪減預算的理由非常的籠統非常的抽象 |
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我们不能够容许这种抽象的理由笼统的理由就来大笔的封杀我们自己的文化力所以我是非常诚恳的这个当下去看看今天国际媒体都在focus中国用意识形态去绑架各种文化 |
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多元的展現而台灣的文化部門在審議文化預算要成為中國的應聲蟲嗎要讓全世界只剩下中國的聲音嗎我真的不能接受我真的不能接受我認為這一筆預算不應當做任何的刪減好 額 彥之委員剛剛舉手啦 不好意思 |
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我真的不知道為什麼啦大家現在只是在討論文化部的預算看有沒有亂用看有沒有看有沒有這個變到用到不同的地方都可以扯到勞工去的今天在場的所有的委員又變中共同路人了啦審個預算要扯到說什麼什麼這個什麼阻擋台灣阻擋台灣位外宣傳我覺得欸 現在大家是只是一審而已欸我們上一次 |
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吳士耀委員不在我們委員會的時候在場有很多教育文化委員會的委員我們文化部也沒這樣啊也是一筆一筆看嘛文化部你只要提出你有必要的需求大家後來也都是該過的也都是過了啊我記得上一次討論什麼台灣Plus不分藍綠的委員都覺得台灣Plus做得很差一開始都提了很多案子都要刪很多可是後來台灣Plus就解釋啊然後什麼的我們後來也都給他機會也都讓他過了我真的很不喜歡看到這種 |
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大家就事論事的討論預算然後那種紅帽子就扣上來然後讓大家不敢去發表我們監督的聲音我真的覺得非常遺憾我認為啦 大家就就事論事因為這筆錢看起來就是比較籠統 |
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那還有就文化部的各項計畫實際上計畫裡面也包含有媒宣費所以就請文化部說明一下這個媒宣它到底要怎麼使用其實如果說它的使用大家覺得OK然後有必要而且沒有亂花那就通過啊對不對那如果有亂編就刪掉啊這不就是立法委員的職責嗎所以真的不要什麼事情都無限上綱啦都中共同路人以前我們在討論核管法的時候 |
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所以那時候只是讓河山研議有法規鬆綁的機會然後民進黨就罵我們是要給老共公台開後門就是我們又變中共同路人了然後結果賴清德總統最後肯定我們在野黨說在野黨通過核管法 |
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奇怪了民進黨立委說我們是中共同路人賴總統肯定我們那難道賴總統肯定中共同路人嗎所以這種意識形態可不可以在至少在我們教育文化委員會至少在我們教育文化委員會好不好大家不要一直搞意識形態啦我們就就事論事好好的審預算謝謝 |
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好不好意思柯震委員因為剛剛翁曉琳委員在你前面你是最後是這個我希望因為這個案子其實這個聽了剛剛大家很多的意見我想待會討論也不會有什麼具體的這個結果是不是我們這個案子就可以保留送協商因為後面還有很多文化部的預算案需要討論好謝謝所以希望說能夠進一步處理謝謝好OK柯震委員 |
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我只是呼應那個葉元智委員的說法我們既然要讓這個預算趕快過去然後我們就是聚焦來討論我覺得太多委員有太多擴大性的解讀了好好的審一個預算4378這個預算中心說跟過去比較起來真的是比較多所以我們就要求是否能夠把它條列清楚我不懂為什麼要延伸到說又是跟中共然後又是中共昨天通了什麼法 |
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对不起啊中国大陆跟我们完全无关我们今天省中华民国的预算我管中国大陆做些什么事情我们又刚刚又没有跟他串联我们又刚刚没有任何的沟通什么事情都要扯上中国大陆这是省预算的一个标准吗所以说就很清楚的告诉我们到底这些四千三百多万 |
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到底是做到哪一些的部分精取精忠我们所在乎的这个部分纳入这个地方那个所谓的那个刚刚佩玉所讲的这个图书书展的这个部分是不是也放在这个地方你们在国外的这个部分你们Meta Event到底花了多少时间把它调列清楚我们就可以知道到底有没有必要要来审这笔预算不要动不动就去讲那多多 |
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我們剛剛的完全不熟剛剛把一個不熟的部分完全放在我們的身上你要我們怎麼回應啊這完全不是選預算的態度啦我都很生氣了趕快來看看啦4300多萬到底需不需要啦換我講啦換我講我都沒發言 |
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比起吳思瑤委員這樣子的一個大方向論述我都還是可以默默的去聽取但是我還是再一次懇切呼籲林益菁委員因為多次的用點名然後人身攻擊從前陣子一直叫我羅公子一直要我去讀書我還是在這邊用 |
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畢竟我是你比較晚進的學弟我還是拜託不要用這樣子的模式林錦緯委員你也有你的軟肋我不想在委員會給你出糗 |
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如果你要這樣子多次用扣帽子人身攻擊然後愚蠢什麼這樣子的一個說法那我想後面對於你最基本的尊重我也大可不必我想我們都是中華民國的立法委員那之前你有提案兩岸人民條例那你也立刻把它塗掉了有機會你可以成為台灣國的 |
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立委那很難過你放棄了所以現在你跟我還是一樣是中華民國那回應郭益勤委員喔待會你也可以再舉手沒關係喔你還有很多軟肋啦但是尊重一點喔你要一直人生攻擊別人的話那大家就來好好的就事論事討論那剛剛郭益勤委員跟這一個吳思堯委員所提到的 |
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是什麼樣的一個負面宣傳是什麼樣的一個不好的補助我想人民心中只有一把尺啦我們當然支持金曲獎啊我們當然支持好的文化策展啊但是不要忘記我們還是有相關的一些上次每次我們都在討論的這些我們一直在講 |
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文化部到底能不能講清楚現階段每一個他們的補助內容包括上次我跟羅志強委員我跟葉元之委員在講的性情毛小孩的音樂那有提到名利債募款如果這些錢沒有去補助這些讓我們聽到不堪入耳的音樂還有這些特定的 |
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沒宣給特定的廠商名利會更加的可以不用這麼的嚴謹去募這麼多款因為真正人民的納稅錢花在了我們共同的目標所以 |
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我們一直在講我們現在是監督預算我們現在是希望預算能夠花在刀口上不要這個時候就拿來扣帽子說我們是中共同路人那你亂花錢的時候怎麼沒有講說因為你亂花反而讓其他對我們有任何負面的攻擊跟國際的宣傳更增加了這些跨出去的 |
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主力所以我要再一次的呼籲大家就事論事好好討論喔那我想上次毛小孩的音樂喔放很多次了我們真的不想在這樣子的一個狀況之下大家不斷的在用這樣子的一個論述去攻防那郭行為 |
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好因為剛剛主席有說點名被點名了因為你有提到我的名字好從頭到尾其實我沒有扯到所謂的這個大家對於所謂的主權的這個政治立場我沒有講好但是我的意思是我沒有說到愚蠢我沒有說沒有類似我沒有說到但我的意思是我們回過頭來看這件事情我們回過頭來看這件事情 |
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因為我們的文化需要管道需要走出去 需要走出台灣那台灣其實大家都知道現在全世界都看見台灣我們反過來想一件事情如果台灣本身就是可以自我發光的我們願不願意再給它更多的資源能夠更大放光芒 |
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如果願意的話 大家好好的來審酌這個預算我覺得這是我剛剛其實不斷的提到因為影視 因為我們的文創的展演等等它是高度依賴宣傳的那我想剛剛翁曉琳委員也有特別提到我們有到大阪其實大阪跟我們的文化部我們大家都知道 光是我們在 |
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萬博所有的展覽獲得這麼多的好評這個真的不是空穴來風不是你放在那裡它在深山裡發光所有人都會來的呢這個是真的需要宣傳的所以我再次的懇請在黨委員我們好好的來審預算我們去年其實已經把這個部分已經砍到零了已經砍到零了那你說沒關係砍到零它還是活得了 |
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那反過來講他就算活得了他還是需要資源啊我們是不是可以這一個部分大家討論一下你要就並動我們讓文化部讓台灣的文化好好的走出去好嗎好 以上我想大家不需要掩耳盜鈴喔 |
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真的不需要掩耳盜鈴提案的委員在外交委員會同樣也要大砍外交部的沒宣費 |
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为什么是外交plus文化为什么是文化plus外交大家心知肚明所以我说了台湾正需要向世界发声的时候为什么有人就要掐住自己文化部的脖子不需要掩耳盗铃 |
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文化就是主權文化就是台灣的聲音我們應當勇敢的透過文化外交向世界論述如同理查吉爾好萊塢巨星昨天在中國推出的惡法之後他非常沉痛的說這是一個文化抹除行為的制度化 |
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這是一個惡法將不同的文化認同加以抹除予以制度化的惡法我要說的是大家要思考這一個當下台灣要向世界傳達的立場是什麼難道是我們的國會在刪減自己的文化外交的預算嗎 |
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當世界各國在這個惡法通過的當下用具體的行動歐洲議會也好大家用具體的行動去反制的時候台灣的國會在今天審查文化預算卻是要刪減自己的文化預算我要請大家思考這個層面它不是只有4738萬這個數字歸為零或是簡列多少它傳達的意義是什麼 |
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台灣的國會挺不挺自己的國家做文化外交還是要來附和這種文化抹除的行為不需要掩耳盜鈴提案的委員 |
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在外交部也是同樣的理由 同樣的文字政府應量入為初 端解公帑共體時間 避免不必要的支出沒宣費既非屬必要的業務支出因應考量政府財政狀況而予以尊潔同樣的理由也放在刪減外交部的沒宣費上所以很多委員要說 |
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不要扯到什麼主權議題不需要掩耳盜鈴不要敢做不敢當剛剛我也希望提案的委員對於哪些案子補助腐爛你認為哪些案子造成民眾負面評價我也沒有聽到委員負責任的列出你認為合理的清單要刪減哪些比預算補助腐爛哪些比你認為不應當補 |
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那如果這樣好啊 我覺得提案的委員也應當列出你的清單大家來看看 確實這個可能不太妥當我們可以理性討論那現在委員一直要文化部列出他們的細項補助 也可以啊但是提案的委員是不是要負責任的你指涉別人補助不公 補助不爛是什麼內容呢到底是哪些項目呢你要刪減預算要有所依據啊 |
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所以說我認為這一筆的預算合理的處理是我們做局部的凍結我個人是主張連凍結都不要我支持文化預算我支持文化外交但如果要請他們提供文化部提供資料讓委員再進一步參佐最好的做法 |
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是當然保留是一種方式但是也可以我們採取局部凍結的方式然後讓文化部門提出相關說明再予以動之我覺得這是合理的做法但是我還是很遺憾提案刪減的委員不要用這種籠統的文字 |
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你自己沒有辦法說出來哪些比補助的哪個團隊一百萬不好該刪哪些補助活動造成負面觀感一百二十萬該刪自己提案的委員拿不出來啊一直逼文化部文化部 |
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我覺得這就是雞生蛋誕生雞啦所以如果要處理我覺得局部的凍結然後提出書面報告使得動之但是我還是希望我們既然是民主的國家看看多數委員的意見是什麼我認為這一筆不應當刪減我支持文化的外交要做得更多做得更廣做得更深入 |
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好 我先告那個待會葉連芝委員發言 再來郭玉琴委員那謝謝郭玉琴委員那有確定 你剛剛沒有講愚蠢但是你有扣帽子扣文化殺手啦所以拜託盡量不要點名扣帽子啦 好不好好 |
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對於你的謾罵批評人身攻擊對不起我沒辦法很公正不好意思因為你點名直接批評攻擊所以我無法對你公正你沒有 |
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這個案子誰提的 那個針對提案的委員啊我們在監督的是政府那你如果有你的論述加強沒關係那個主席 文化部說你啦 |
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你不是管制我們言論的人好嗎主席每一個委員有自己發言的權利跟自己就不用自己的語言所以我剛剛沒有管制他我只是呼籲他一直在評論別人發言你真的是夠了每看光光只尋到你的憂愁每看光光只尋到你的憂愁 |
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文化審查嗎?我們在觀光就是文化審查我們在觀光就是文化審查我們在觀光就是文化審查我們在觀光就是文化審查我們在觀光就是文化審查我們在觀光就是文化審查我們在觀光就是文化審查我們在觀光就是文化審查我們在觀光就是文化審查我們在觀光就是文化審查我們在觀光就是文化審查我們在觀光就是文化審查我們在觀光就是文化審查我們在觀光就是文化審查我們在觀光就是文化審查 |
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其他委員的發言權 召委沒有權利一再的評論 破盪的評論召委不要這樣 請問一下 加以自治作為主席我本身就有維護秩序維護勞動的秩序 該有多麼的秩序你叫做主席 你可以讓他當用非常非常懇切的 |
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尊重的去要求去拜託是不是不應該用扣帽子的部分是不是不應該用直接抹黑批評所以我們一直在努力用假用假式的說話你就說這個是叫做言論不自由 |
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主席的麥克風就可以無止盡的發言不用被時間限制嗎因為是不是每一個委員都可以拿著麥克風一直講話都不用被你制止難道現在可以這樣嗎委員會是一個輪流發言的機制可是每一個人發言完之後都要被你點評都要被你言論反制那是不是大家就可以一直講是不是都可以不用討論了嗎我們尊重你當主席我們接受你一個一個點名說話可是不代表你可以點評每一個委員說的話他難道講文化殺手錯了嗎 |
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敢提案的委員為什麼不敢被點評?你讓大家好好聽聽為什麼不敢被點評?不敢承認是文化殺手?文化殺手錯了嗎?敢把預算抵押?你用所有的資金去好好地抵押殺手不能講嗎?國民黨從這一屆開始還是不是這樣?如果我要想到底繼續想都不能停啊是大家不能夠認同的所以我們這個部分我還是要好好地 |
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還別人講不得現在砍了嗎到目前為止都在討論的階段那別人不能評論嗎只有你最大你是主席你可以講別人愛講多久講多久別人半句都不能講 |
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不要敢做不敢當不要掩耳盜鈴請不要再評論了好嗎要處理預算了好嗎主席可以處理預算了嗎所以你沒有說我們的預算了嗎感恩嗎過敏其腦你叫他主席耶你不是原管管制人耶你不也是現在正在發言嗎 |
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這就是你的言論自由啊所以現階段你沒有停止啊你在票選委員停止的時候你沒有停止啊我只是希望透過我的發言機會來呼籲不需要再叫我委員會 |
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這麼惡意的攻擊這樣的批評教育委員會應該本對事實來監督執政黨好好地去把這個相關的事情講清楚說明白讓國人能夠知道哪些錢用在刀口哪些錢用在 |
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所謂的補助性侵毛小孩的音樂我想國人都非常的關切我們的錢到底花在哪裡所以我也希望今天我們要清清楚楚但是有浪費公帑之餘我們就希望要講清楚說明白剛剛這個說不是在沒宣費但是有委員說哪一條補助是負面的哪一條沒宣 |
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所以我們基本上所以我們基本上所以我們基本上所以我們基本上所以我們基本上所以我們基本上所以我們基本上所以我們基本上所以我們基本上所以我們基本上所以我們基本上所以我們基本上所以我們基本上所以我們基本上 |
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他都拍拍屁股走了他都拍拍屁股走了他都拍拍屁股走了他都拍拍屁股走了他都拍拍屁股走了他都拍拍屁股走了他都拍拍屁股走了他都拍拍屁股走了他都拍拍屁股走了他都拍拍屁股走了他都拍拍屁股走了他都拍拍屁股走了 |
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那是補助費嘛那是補助費跟沒選費是不一樣的事嘛因為有委員問到要砍預算也不要砍錯筆嘛功課做好再來提案的委員都鬧跑了黃小玲不是委員不是文化委員會的委員趕快來審預算了已經一個多小時來審預算 |
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他敢提案然後再處理的時候他不在那他有尊重文化委員會嗎他已經離開我們就好好來把他已經宣布他自己的一個想法我們就好好來審預算我們就不予刪減就不予刪減多少我們來處理自己都不敢面對我們就全數保留我們就不敢面對保留預算我們不要再扯到別人我們就來看看這一幕我們到底要來刪減多少他已經發表他的言論了 |
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他正是這個案的提案委員他不是別人他是當事者他是要砍光文化預算的文化殺手不好意思我補充說你一下你們要對提案的委員這樣子的一個說法我當然只能夠說尊重 |
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但是因為剛剛回放我們的整個直播就是有人一邊提提漢委員一邊點名我羅廷偉點名羅志強那就順便一起批評所以我作為被批評的當下我會覺得不舒服所以我要回應沒關係我連署的但是你有批評我就要回應就這麼簡單所以我現在也要講你 |
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你兩岸人民條例你提了你又立刻把他又塗掉你立刻把他立委那你是亂說話我又會的事嗎那你又不敢講嗎那你又不敢講嗎那你又不敢講嗎那你又不敢講嗎那你又不敢講嗎那你又不敢講嗎那你又不敢講嗎那你又不敢講嗎 |
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吳思耀委員說 這個是補助 這個是沒宣剛剛你的直播又清清楚楚的就搞錯啦 你砍錯預算啦那你去砍補助費啊這是沒宣費啊 |
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聯署在沒稅單聯署在問責是不是羅廷偉委員聯署是不是羅志強委員聯署白紙黑字那麼清楚我就是講這個白紙黑字的事情你可以講我們聯署沒有問題這是事實啊 |
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因為我們更有事實 本人就有事實啊但是你不需要直接跟共同路人來扣帽子你不需要直接某人扣帽子好不好 如果你想要捍衛那你為什麼要立可白呢那你就不要立可白嘛那你就可以捍衛了嘛我們支持你不要立可白啊 |
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那你又說我不能管你當然我不能管你你又管別人的提案是不是我現在在審預算我為什麼不能管提案我現在在審預算主席主席你到底會不會主持啊你不尊重別人你自然得不到尊重嘛所以不尊重別人的人叫羅廷偉 |
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最不尊重委員發言權力的叫做羅廷偉你不要仗勢著你是昭偉你就可以無限制的拿著麥克風做你愛評論的事對於其他委員的主張來進行評論 |
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拜託 這樣子的召委沒有辦法搞清楚預算要審哪一項沒有辦法搞清楚你們的提案都砍錯預算了你自己作為連署的提案共同提案人你不敢面對你虛文化沙場你不敢面對謝謝翁小玲鬧跑了 |
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對喔! |
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趕快去 趕快去要去那一邊要去那邊這邊外交的也是啊 |
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什麼意思啊? |
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你剛剛叫我坐前面 我不行 我要跑廁所比較方便我不知道 我就連著也不是醫生說也沒有啊 就是又發燒 |
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我只告訴你們要怎麼做 要怎麼做 要怎麼做 要怎麼做 要怎麼做 要怎麼做 |
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我把这 |
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不用再處理我們個別的啦就是每個產業司的每宣費就不用再做說明全部都在這邊因為我們這4738就已經包括所有的人了可是我們應該被硬塞啦所以變得好像我們是盧氏 |
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由 Amara.org 社群提供的字幕 |
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那是一個很難得的問題 |
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好現在開會 |
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好 我們先請郭議員發言好 謝謝 謝謝主席好 那我先解釋一下因為這個簡列因為這個我們的原列數是4738萬如果簡列4738萬是等於全數簡列那對我來講其實就是文化殺手我先解釋我的原意是這樣但我沒有特別指名誰 |
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好那我還是要提醒喔因為其實我們在下半年其實會用到這筆預算的包含國際書展包含兒少書展包含時裝週包含文博會另外還有金鼎獎跟金曼獎等等那我想呢其實在今年我們看到這麼多傑出優秀的一些不管是展演也好金曲獎也好然後其實大家對於 |
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台灣影視文化或者是在我們的所有的其他的一些展演的文化的一個部分我覺得這個部分全部簡略是有一點誇張也有一點過分了我們平心而論真的不要給他一台車然後不給他加油的機會連一滴油都不給他那請問這台車到底要怎麼跑 |
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那我想其實剛剛很多的委員也都表示了一些意見那我覺得這個部分我真的希望是不是可以就照列我真的不希望因為去年我們這筆預算已經是被砍到零了這如果要說啊不會啊我砍到零你還是活得好好的而且還發光發熱這很像我的小孩啊如果我把他放到外地啊 |
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他活得好好的但他可能在整個所有的過程他們是東撿西挑靠鄰居的補助靠鄰居的幫忙一天一餐這樣子給他結果我說沒關係你活得好好的嘛我一毛錢都不給你我想這應該任何身為父母的應該都做不到啦 |
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要马儿好你还是要给马儿吃草这是我的原意那我希望等一下我发言完之后其实我们就请文化部请文化部来说明这笔预算的重要性就像我刚刚讲的它是一个可以原本发光发热的 |
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那如果靠月光靠平常的日光它有光輝可是如果我們再多給它一些補助多給它一些資源它會不會更發光發熱那這是我的意見好我們今天這麼多案我也不知道要審到什麼時候那等一下就是看發言完請主席才是是不是讓文化部來表示意見那我的原意希望還是照列好 以上 |
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好 我們剛剛有宣告那兩位發言完再說所以我不能夠漏掉葉元志葉元志委員應該有舉手啦 但後來吵成一團我就那個我覺得回到這個預算本身啦不管提案委員是誰啦既然有那麼多委員對這四千多萬有意見那我覺得等一下就請文化部好好說明嘛這四千七百萬到底用在什麼地方那如果有必要的話 大家就照列嘛 |
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如果大家對這個預算有質疑的話就不管是凍結也好 檢列也好這個是審查預算的ABC啦所以我希望說有些委員我不知道是意識形態特別重還是特別怎麼樣很喜歡政治鬥爭啦老是喜歡潑髒水好像只要提預算意見的一律都是好像跟中共唱和我是希望今天審預算都不要再出現這一種 |
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扣帽子抹紅潑糞的言論這樣才能夠維持我們教育文化委員會一貫的優良傳統就是就事論事那現在是不是因為我不知道文化部是不是新聘吳世耀委員當發言人所以剛剛大家都在問文化部結果是吳世耀一直在說明說這個錢怎麼用我不知道吳世耀說的錢是不是真的就是文化部就是這樣編的所以請文化部請文化部來 |
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對啊但是因為你講了半天你一直在幫文化部解釋我不知道說你解釋的到底是不是沒有因為我不知道你解釋的到底是不是文化部這筆錢的用途嘛所以請文化部說明一下好不好說明一下到底這筆錢怎麼用怎麼用好不好謝謝不好意思我還是要尊重別人吳少偉你要發言嗎 |
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我們不要去限制別人的言論自由對來來其實我不同意他的說法但我事實捍衛他說話的機會其實我覺得是這樣啦我剛剛去調出來了齁這是外交部翁小林委員看沒選費的提案這是行政院翁小林委員看行政院沒選費的提案這是陸委會 |
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翁曉琳委員砍沒宣的提案跟今天文化部砍沒宣費的提案完全是複製貼上完全是複製貼上這就是無差別的砍預算無差別的對於政府的沒宣費看到沒宣費的規程看到沒宣費就全砍全殺 |
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所以说我们一直很理性的在说你针对不同部门的不同预算有什么样意见你具体的提出来我不能接受的是一个没有在教育文化委员会钻研过认真过的委员外委员会也有提案的权利可以因为我们也有罗志强委员罗廷伟委员帮他一起联署程序符合OK |
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可是對於這一項的沒選費到底用在哪裡完全不清楚提案只是複製貼上這樣子對於審查預算有負責任嗎然後我最後再補充一點剛剛在講的包括羅廷偉教委一直在提到某個補助案造成了社會觀感不佳那個提案的預算在第260案在影視因產業發展計畫向下的流行音樂輔導 |
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而且那一個案子是108年度的補助案補助經費是70萬是一整張製作專輯裡面的其中一首歌被認為也許在內容上有所不妥但這是108年的一個補助案現在是審查 |
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108年跟現在拿這樣子的理由那如果你要再要求行政部門文化部精進也可以那請在對的預算項目上提出對的主張而那個補助費的預算項目在預算書的流行音樂產業發展計畫是在影視音 |
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局的預算裡不在現在的沒宣費裡所以這就我說的一個提案委員對於預算編在哪不清楚要砍也亂砍砍錯人然後所有的提案都是複製貼上從外交部行政院陸委會再到文化部 |
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政府的嘴政府的傳達的管道被掐住了脖子被汙住了嘴我們怎麼對國人宣傳政策怎麼對外行銷台灣不要掩耳盜鈴只是為了政治攻擊 |
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攻擊執政團隊無差別的砍預算就在這裡我是真的覺得提案的委員真的你要砍預算認真一點橡木看對樹木看準提案提在哪也要搞清楚所以我不能接受這種為砍而砍的提案我強力的主張我也請主席可以依據我們的主席我在跟您報告主席 |
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好 謝謝請依據我們現場我看多數的委員是希望照列啦看看主席的喔 沒關係我說我們多數的委員對 我是提醒啊主席可以處理啊那我個人強烈表達因為如果說不能夠因為喔不能夠因為現在年已經過半了好像這筆費用用到的是下半年的活動的宣傳我覺得不能這樣 |
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因為我們該給國家的預算是整年度的對不起我在發言我哪裡講的是不合理的請你反駁啊請你反駁啊請你反駁啊我哪裡講錯了不要不敢面對所以說我真的覺得我們這一筆預算是一整年的預算不能因為現在只剩下下半年我們就認為我們留給下半年 |
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足夠的額度就好了不可以這樣而且以後這一筆預算項目就會留在那裡可能今年保留兩千萬或是多少那對於每一年的沒選費去年就是就是犯了這樣的錯所以他那個基底合一的補助合一的經費的項目數字就一直被這樣子縮水縮水下去 |
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該多少這是一整年度的預算我們要看整年的文化外交跟對內宣傳的所需經費是多少所以請部長要回應之前我覺得請提案的委員搞清楚砍錯地方砍錯預算然後不敢面對這才是我們委員不嚴謹不專業這才是問題所在好 請羅志揚委員發言 |
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沒辦法吳世耀委員又點名我根據被點名只好來回應的這個原則我還是來回應一下其實我還是謝謝吳世耀委員啦因為吳世耀委員每次發言都會讓事情變得更清楚所以謝謝吳世耀委員那只是刀跟劍往哪邊打搞不太清楚剛吳世耀委員特別講翁小林委員他提案全三文化部的沒宣費 |
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那不就證明一件事情嘛請問運動部的沒宣費刪了嗎教育部的沒宣費刪了嗎通通沒刪啊不用擔心等我講完嘛吳士耀委員你剛剛講話又沒插嘴你講那麼長都沒插嘴不要每次人家講話就插嘴吳士耀委員請不要去干擾別人的發言剛剛葉元之委員也選擇最後不干擾了不要這樣子至少我沒有干擾你不要干擾我啦 |
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還是謝謝吳思堯委員啦我告訴大家預算的審查今天沒宣費文化部在使用過程當中當然有公信力的問題啊那為什麼運動部跟教育部的沒宣費在我們教育文化委員會我們能夠通過照列因為我相信教育部啊因為我相信運動部啊因為他沒有過去亂用的紀錄啊就這麼簡單啊 |
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剛吳世耀委員在做第二點澄清講得非常好他講文化部補助性侵犯毛小孩的音樂創作他說這是108年 對啦沒關係啦 多年前啦我們在過去質詢的過程當中要的就是文化部的態度請問文化部有對此道歉嗎有對此說認真改善嗎 |
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沒有啊 從剛開始文化部還是在護航啊到後來態度有軟一點點但這件事情我沒有看過文化部的檢討這叫做過往過往文化部對過往可能因為鄭麗君部長留下的爛攤子他不想要去打鄭麗君部長的臉但是如果你的態度沒有改變這就累積到公信力的智商嘛 |
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第二個 吳小偉 你講的是108年的案子抱歉 我在68案裡面 講功夫這個案子我要特別講 國家公帑得之不易今天單單一個票房不佳的功夫 文化部就投了1.5億 |
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任何的團體要拿到文化部一百萬都很困難的啊你拿了1.5億我想請問到現在為止文化部有告訴我們怎麼檢討反省嗎沒有啊 到案六八我會再拿出來講啊 |
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所以我還是感謝吳世耀委員嘛你說喔 太久了不能追那最近的總可以講吧那我就要講齁不要 你待會要舉手再講話我也不會插你的嘴嘛不用擔心嘛 |
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你不要點我的名我就不會回應你嘛你點我的名我只好回應你啊建立這個原則啊對不對 來沒關係你不要點我的名你點我的名我就要說明提案的由嘛參與連署理由嘛 對不對不要因為我講的有道理又開始用插嘴打倒的方式來去是自己對自己邏輯沒信心嗎我還是回頭講光功夫這件事情全文化不給什麼交代 |
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我今天要為聲言的是其他沒有拿到補助的影視創作團體我也不是沒有接到其他沒有拿到補助的影視創作團體1.5億 你一共15個團體可以拿到1000萬阿想請問文化部能不能保證不會有這種事情再發生 有保證過嗎 |
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如果沒有這種保證 說真的今天沒宣廢 翁小英講的也不能說沒道理啊 |
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文化部即便沒宣費是零功夫還可以補出1.5億啊沒宣費是零今天還是一樣可以有很多事情做啊 對不對但做得好還是壞心中自有一把尺啊心中自有一把尺啊所以回到沒宣費這個事情我只要問一件事情啊為什麼運動部為什麼教育部都沒宣費沒有砍要不要自我反省一下 |
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今天 或者部長在這邊跟我講說今天你願意為性侵犯毛小孩過去的錯誤你跟我道歉 保證不是要跟我道歉啊 跟人民道歉 保證絕不再犯 不會有這種事情對於功夫這種獨佔1.5億的這種所謂的獨佔的狀況你可不可以跟我保證不會再有這種情形 |
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那今天我們可以來告訴大家說文化部預算我們可以好好的來看看秉持你願意改正過往的想法我們對你的信任度高一點第三個是我要講的嘛你前面沒有公信力你的沒宣費的案子又沒有透明度 |
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這是為什麼葉元智委員一直在講的嘛那你透明總要做到嘛如果前面沒有公信力透明度又沒有做好的時候那說真的今天放了這個沒宣備既公信力站不住腳透明度也站不住腳我不會拿來說什麼今天這個委員反對這個提案的委員是愚蠢啦我不會用這種話來講啦可是拜託啊立法委員監督預算是天職好不好 |
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我跟你講我的結論很簡單尊重翁小林委員今天提案在這裡那就是保留嘛 以上 |
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剛剛郭玉琴委員要舉手了我先講30秒那也補充一下因為我在質詢的時候也有問我們的文化部長對於這108年這一案補助性侵謀小孩的這個補助要不要追回他說他把這一個音樂再拿給所有的委員再評估一次所有的委員說沒有問題要繼續給 |
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所以不用收回所以我當然擔心啊我當然擔憂啊部長親自認證拿回去再聽沒問題所以以後會再發放的機率非常高以上 |
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我短短的再說一下因為其實我剛剛有特別提到因為這筆編列的預算其實是攸關下半年我剛剛提到的那麼多的項目那包含我再強調一次國際書展、兒少書展、時裝周、文博會、金庭獎、金曼獎那剛剛其實兩位羅委員所提到的那個是後面68跟260 |
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那那個部分我們是不是等到那個部分我們再來解決這個問題就是你們剛剛的疑慮的問題那如果說今天我們剛剛所提到的這些明年可能會用到這筆費用的部分我們是不是可以給文化部一個機會如果真的今年做不好 |
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明年再來修理他們好不好那我想這個部分我支持還是原照列啦因為去年已經砍到零了嘛那今年是不是給他們一點點生活的條件啊好不好可不可以先照列那剛剛至於兩位所提到的那個是後面後面是第68案跟260案我們後面再來討論那個部分那如果剛剛我所提到的 |
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明年下半年還有明年的這麼多重要的一個展覽跟這麼多重要的一些活動那需要這筆預算我們給他們一個機會讓他們好好做做不好我們明年一樣會在這個地方再繼續修理這樣子好不好以上那是不是可以請文化部來回應了 |
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不好意思因為有人就手我的30秒就好我覺得我們審預算的程序變很奇怪變成民進黨的立委先說可不可以照列然後我們再找文化部來說說明那以後乾脆預算都不用審好了嘛就直接全部照列就好了嘛應該我覺得SOP應該是說大家先提出各自的疑慮然後文化部來說明如果文化部說明OK照列嘛 |
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如果不OK就動或刪嘛怎麼會變成說 先造劣你沒有造劣 你就是文化殺手你就是什麼中共同路人我覺得真的是不要這樣子啦 好不好就是剛剛很多委員有問題了那就請文化部一次把問題說清楚委員們會就事論事該給的大家都會給 好不好好 是不是由部長來說明好 來 |
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我對剛才所有幫我們講話的立委幫我們捍衛預算的立委謝謝你們針對我們這個預算有意義的我想解釋一下剛剛講到我們去年一整年都沒有這個煤宣可是我們還做得很好其實是一種讚美事實上我們真的是在沒有煤宣的情況下做 |
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像我個人就寫FB寫到每天晚上都在寫寫到我的同事跟我講你不要再寫因為人家以為你沒事幹後來我就不敢寫只是舉個例子其實你們應該對我們文化部稍微小小的讚美一下 |
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譬如金曲獎各位看到金曲獎辦這麼好是因為我們剛好在保留在影視音裡面有百分之被砍掉百分之六十還有百分之四十的預算我們就可以把金曲獎做這麼好你只要給我們一點點錢我們就可以做得蠻好國片票房各位看到今年上半年的票房已經遠遠達到去年的一整年國片票房整個都起飛各位也看到在文學獎 |
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我們已經突破得到國際大獎所以我在這裡非常感謝所有文化部的同仁在這樣的預算下努力所以這是第一個謝謝所有讚美我們的委員其實我們沒有那麼差第二因為我們預算沒有審所以我們今年沒有辦法動任何一毛錢的沒宣費可是我們還是上半年非常努力第三有一個誤會就是沒宣費 |
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是買特定媒體跟那個等等其實完全誤會因為沒宣費是我們編的所有所有一整年需要宣傳宣導的那個活動包括剛剛講到文化幣啊黃牛啊文博你不給我們錢我們就宣導的就變得很沒有力道所以我想大家是一個完全誤會啦那我想請王次講一下我們 |
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这个钱其实还有很多很多的钱是在美区编在这里面如果你不给我们的话我们真的是非常辛苦谢谢 |
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各位好我大概就直接補充一下我們這筆經費的內容這筆經費大概有幾個面向第一個它是全部本部全部各個業務單位所需要的美選費都在這一筆所以為什麼會聽到很多不同的項目是因為它包括了所有的業務師不管是在文資師文創師影視師人文師全部一發師全部都在裡面所以它會有什麼活動呢它會跟大家的活動 |
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只要有辦活動他就會動用這一筆沒宣費所以沒宣費是做什麼呢是做活動本身的宣傳所以沒宣費的目標非常清楚譬如說我們辦社區營造我們要去頒發獎項我們要辦文博會要辦時裝周要辦書展所有的內容都在這一筆費用裡面 |
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那第二件事是呢,这些费用里面除了包括部本部原来的业务经费以外,它也包括了新建的这些馆舍的宣传,譬如说我们今年多了国家铁道博物馆,未来多了国家儿童儿卫馆,多了国漫馆,国家漫画博物馆,这些馆舍的活动跟筹备也全部来自于这一笔没权费用。 |
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第三个刚刚提到的奖项的事情我们所有的奖项都要靠这个宣传 |
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这些奖项也还要宣传所以如果没有通过的话在今年下半年那是40%基本上就在上半年已经用完了所以我们其实是需要这个没宣费的支持那第三件事是委员关心的就是我们有没有拿这笔费用 |
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去采购特定的媒体团体那基本上是这样因为他办理的单位完全不同活动也完全不同所以他没有集中采购或者媒体采购的问题因为自从这个媒体不能禁止政府做新闻置入之后我们的采购的策略就是分散的那尤其现在社群基本上是一个非常重要的关键所以大家会看到我们做很多什么做很多图卡 |
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然後做很多點閱率的這些採購意思就是說讓大家透過演算法比較有機會看到我們各項政策的說明跟活動本身的宣傳所以它的目的仍然是做跟民眾相關的活動宣傳包括像黃牛包括像頒獎這一類跟民眾生活有關的事情 |
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最后一点是在国外的部分也在这一笔媒宣费里大家都提到去年的大阪世博但是大家可能不知道我们今年其实有办欧洲台湾文化年那为什么大家不知道因为我们没有宣传那我们只能透过既有的人脉既有的网络跟既有的活动的人去宣传但是很明显可以看得出它的宣传力道其实差别很大所以仍然非常希望委员可以支持我们这一笔媒宣的费用以上 |
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好對不起我再確認一下喔所以你的沒宣費到目前為止沒有去動嗎對不對沒有去做任何的使用 |
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副本部的部分沒有因為去年3到0那因為今年和動資的預算是以去年的預算為基礎所以副本部的沒宣費像我們最近剛辦的很好的這個金曲獎你也沒使用這個費用沒有有我剛有解釋了金曲獎是因為它是附屬單位附屬單位的沒宣費去年是按60%剩40%所以金曲獎是用附屬單位的40%所以跟這一個也無關嗎沒有關係這是副本部的這是副本部的對啊好那 |
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有委員要問問題嗎 沒有 我要繼續問囉沒有 去年大概多少國片上映 今年大概多少國片 到目前為止沒關係 沒關係 你慢慢了解一下那第二個跟那個 |
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我們文化部請教一下你剛說徵案嘛有需要用到這一個媒宣費來廣招徵案對吧如果辦獎項的話任何的獎項跟補助都需要透過媒宣宣導嗎對嘛所以也會用到這樣子的一個徵案媒宣部本部的部分所以也跟其他的 |
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補助當然不會 我說真案啦補助獎項不會用到補助但是會用到沒宣來宣導有這樣子的活動獎項不是補助案補助案就是歸補助案補助案沒有沒宣費的問題那個待會你那個資料要再補一下好那有沒有委員要再提出問題好 那我們就請委員提案 |
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好 我的主張是趙烈給文化部門必要的資源去進行相關的媒體宣傳不管是對內進行政策的推廣或是對外來宣揚台灣的文化力我支持趙烈好 我也支持趙烈建議保留好 |
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來 陳薇委員好 謝謝主席我支持趙烈而且我不知道大家有沒有聽到剛剛有其中一個關鍵除了剛剛在講很多獎項或是徵件之外原來我們的兒童未來館還有漫畫博物館現在因為都在籌備前期而這中間其實每一個委員都要求未來館或是漫畫館就算在籌備前期還是要辦很多活動而且廣納很多不同的團體的聲音進到未來的館藏的設備或者是策展的內容 |
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所以原來看起來沒宣費也花了很多在這兩個館的籌備前期那因為我自己一直很關心這兩個館所以我剛聽到的時候我其實還蠻訝異就謝謝文化部這麼用心在這兩個館籌備前期花了這麼多精力跟預算還有時間去辦這樣的活動所以我支持趙烈 |
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這個主席我也是希望說文化部這筆沒宣費因為如同我剛剛講的包括台北書展包括台北時裝周包括我們打擊黃牛演唱會的票詐騙行為這些的宣傳都需要這些沒宣費那剛剛其實我們不同黨派的委員都針對個別關心的案件希望可以來了解文化部到底需要做哪些宣傳的這些作為跟計畫那因為現在提案的委員歐小玲委員她不在 |
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所以我還是要講一下因為翁曉儀委員他提案是通刪文化部的文宣費是要刪除到零那因為他這個提案不只針對文化部外交部的沒宣費也被他提案要刪掉一億也是刪除到零行政院的文宣費沒宣費他也要刪除到零我是希望說我們要借盡之前的經驗就是我們審查預算可以針對個別的項目大家有意見都可以來討論但是如果是用通刪的方式等於是你沒有看他實際上的計畫是要做什麼事 |
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這個我覺得不太符合我們教文會平常這個討論其實大家都針對個案大家各自關心我覺得都理性的監督討論這都是可以的所以還是希望說確實這些我們剛剛文化部提到這些計畫我們希望它的媒宣今年的工作預算給你們但是你們要更加加緊加強的來做因為這每一個事情像台灣的文學我們才在國際發光發熱都需要文化部再做我們這些創作者的後盾要拜託文化部 |
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欸我們現場那個冷氣突然變得很大會吵到委員喔維持正常好不好好像開大冷氣是要趕客人一樣好來 那個秀寶委員謝謝主席喔這個部分呢我也是支持希望可以再要連來支持文化部做相關的一些宣傳其實剛才市長在講說那個歐洲文化年喔就是因為是不是因為我們的宣傳 |
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因為我為什麼會特別問你是因為我在一個朋友的臉書上面看到他們去那邊然後看到然後非常的覺得說非常驚訝怎麼在台灣都不知道有這樣的訊息他們是到那邊旅遊的時候然後看到說怎麼會有這麼豐富的一些交流的這些相關的內容 |
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但是在国内他们事先就是要出国之前 |
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国人去邀请国际的友人你们可以来参加可以来参访所以这个是非常的可惜因为文化部其实在做的各个面向的相关的交流一直都有在持续但是碍于没有没宣费的关系像部长自己都写脸书写到大家以为说部长你先生没事为什么自己一直写脸书因为没有办法没有地方可以没有办法去宣传没有经费所以我希望说同仁们可以看到说文化部真的是非常认真非常努力来做他们的职责在他们的 |
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业务上都非常的认真能够支持能够把这一笔的没宣费能够全数照列以上 |
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我再說明一下我是支持那個媒先會那剛剛所有委員所提的我也支持但是基於監督的一個職責我覺得我個人還是要求文化部能不能提出一張總表那把每一個案的一個政策的一個目的還有金額採購 |
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採購還有尾班的方式投放的平台還有目標受眾跟KPI的一個驗收把它做成一個表然後呢送到我們這個委會來讓我們了解文化部的一個所有的媒憲會的一個會用所以呢我在這裡呢還是堅持動一千萬一千萬喔好還有沒有其他委員有建議剛剛羅市長委員有 |
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不好意思拿麥克風我覺得今天也討論兩個小時啊既然沒辦法達成共識就保留吧好那再來柯子恩委員 |
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因为我们已经讨论两个小时那文化部本身来说的话我当初就是提到就是说预算中心他认为跟过去比较起来还是增加非常的多文化部也来跟我沟通然后也提出刚刚我所提到的这个部分刚刚次长也特别提到我觉得理性的监督来说 |
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我想是不是可以 |
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好 那有意見的分歧 |
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主席 因为其实刚刚我们几位委员都有逐一表达我们的意见我还是要说多数的委员是希望能够照例但也尊重委员希望再看到进一步的资讯所以用冻结的方式但是要跟村首委员拜托因为这一笔四千七百多万你如果冻结了一千就是五分之一四分之一了是不是我们着动两百万 |
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三百萬沒關係但是我覺得是要讓他們能夠合宜還是能夠運作啦那既然只是善盡監督要提供完整的資訊是不是兩百萬可以是大家可以接受的數字呢看看部長的意見我是覺得那個那個降到四百一成啦 |
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總是要一點監督的力量嘛那部長你清楚嘛我很支持文化部所以文化部所有的活動我都去參加村首委員你400我200那我們300好不好讓他們可以坐下我們可以達到監督的力量看到我們想要解讀的資料好啦 和諧就好啦我們讓這個進度趕快走啦 |
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好那我們就達成共識希望凍結38提供資料使得動之好吧提供書面資料使得動之謝謝好現場因為還是有委員提出不同的意見喔所以我們基本上現階段 |
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我們都講好了我其實我們也不同意我們是希望照列的報告主席我們這邊的委員都是希望照列的但是為了尊重崔總委員然後剛剛那個知恩委員也說所以我們採凍結的方式嘛所以金額也已經有個共識凍結300萬我覺得這才是大家尊重彼此的做法對不起現在再麻煩吳思耀委員您說多少 |
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個人是希望較劣但是剛剛尊重大家我們就是協調出跟蔡春熟委員跟那個知恩委員是300萬的凍結提出書面資料使得凍結 |
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我覺得還是要尊重提案委員所以那個召委要不要先休息一下問問汪小林委員的意見以上他如果真的這麼在意他就應該全程在現場所有今天朝野的召委人說在這裡兩個小時為什麼不尊重在場的 |
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為什麼不尊重在場的所有教文本委的委員我們經過這麼多的討論剛文化部也做了說明那主席你為什麼乾脆不表決呢為什麼還要等提案委員而且兩個聯署的委員也在現場教文委員會照往例預算的部分很少在表決啊 |
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主席 教文委會照往例 只要是提案人不在 通常您都照列沒有錯 我們昨天審 審議算也都是這樣的模式啊 對不對主席提案委員不在 就沒有處理了提案委員在的話 那如果你要說完全提案委員都不在 昨天臨時提案 提案委員也不在啊我們簽署的也都還在啊 也還是處理啦 |
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那我基本上 我很簡單現在已經說了有提案委員說要三百萬我尊重那還有沒有其他委員有意見因為我們沒有表決我們基本上是共識決所以基本上我要問一下還有沒有委員有意見沒有意見的話我們就要照提案剛剛提的就是三百萬凍結我有意見好 有意見這個就不好意思 |
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主席可以先休息一下我們就先休息五分鐘因為我們是共識爵不是多數爵共識爵就是大家的共識共識你不能排除某些委員你不要有虛意識規則你不要覺得大家都講好因為沒有你旁邊的特徵委員就好了還有第二輪可以去討論 |
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讓主管機關去跟提案委員來溝通抱歉我要捍衛本黨委員今天的提案跟爭議那請主席休息一下跟郭曉琳委員溝通有這麼困難嗎那如果來到溝通的話那為什麼要去找我沒有坐在現場為什麼我要去找我沒有坐在現場如果他真的這麼在意這件事情來這裡吧我們到底好不好討論到這樣了他為什麼自己快把屁股都走了 |
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可是以往的慣例在教文審算的時候是沒有所謂的舉手表現我們不希望打破以往慣例所以目前為止我們先宣告休息以往的慣例叫做如果提案的委員不在是不予處理的可是今天所有朝野的教文委員都坐在這裡主席你就決定採用一個人的意見這不叫共識嗎共識叫做剛剛已經用300萬凍結主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
9214.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
村丑委员兰东吉奇 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
9277.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
9277.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
那小野 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
9305.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
我以为是 |
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它現在下水我們都能上它可以一直這樣擋它說如果它前面擋一會兒的話它就不可以了所以它這個部分是新鮮的嗎?是新鮮的全球不在海溢中所以不能給它在四周的海溢中 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
9372.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
都不講話都不講話都不講話 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
9395.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
9395.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
下午會,會來,會來,會來,會來,會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
9412.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
好暖 |
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| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
9464.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
現場請 |
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| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
9487.401 |
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如果是我約鄧家匯來那是交個通告我就是陳樹越排的一個現場的我知道啦,我覺得你都寫滿了,我都很清楚不然他管他別人的情緒幹什麼我在板草,我就看板草,看到中國去我看這個雜誤啊 |
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9489.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
9492.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
餐牌我有拿過來,我知道了,現場還不及看,沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
9505.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
我小瑩來了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
9535 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
好 爸 恭喜你 鼓掌欢迎啊 跟他产生啊等一下 放下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9552.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
鲜奶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9575.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
要浪費人民的公帑 |
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| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
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那為什麼他們要去跟你溝通的時候你不跟他們溝通?他們沒有跟你們辦公室約嗎?確定都沒有約? |
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文化部也不屑溝通啊文化部也不屑溝通啊所以你們要部長等級才可以去嗎要部長等級嗎不是要跟文化部委員講什麼不是要跟他說因為你就複製貼上什麼要三秋三啊你不是只有三文化部委你要不要去看你的版本你還是立委嗎你會在預算嗎你來好好說剛剛文化部在說明你說你人有在現場嗎文化部都說四千多萬什麼花你有沒有在聽嗎 |
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我們等一下請文化部再報告一次給你聽這些沒學費用到了哪裡去了報告說你有在嗎整個教務員問你這個案子投了兩個小時請問你有在嗎我們等一下讓文化部講給你聽你們是立委嗎我們當然是立委啊當然是啊 |
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9734.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9735.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
MING PAO CANADA // MING PAO TORONTO |
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| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9784.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
谢谢观看 |
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| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9868.354 |
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你就是文化殺手 你是納稅人殺手你會佈置天上 破壁壁上的文化殺手亂用公帑 你的標準在哪里哪一筆不爛 你可以剪出來 哪裡造成負面氾濫 你可以提案 |
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你沒有一條具體的講出來你沒有一條具體的講出來你全部都是用一個非常Rough的說法所以我就問如果文化部的說明你覺得哪一條是不對你就點出來可是你到目前為止我還是沒有看到歐委員點出哪一條可是剛剛所有坐在這裡的委員只要認真聽 |
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| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9900.631 |
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包括一篇文化部的報告裡面已經講了沒捐費部分部的沒捐費4000多萬是用在哪些部分連金曲講的部分剛剛連部長都說了就是很可惜我們也不在現場 |
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10056.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
與陸委會您都是同... |
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10088.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
跟委員報告一下,在等部長部長現在應該在洗手間,好不好所以不是我們不開,是等部長 |
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10122.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
10122.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
10152.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
10153.143 |
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好 現在繼續開會好 請羅志強委員發言 |
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10159.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
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剛剛為這個案子我們已經討論了一個上午那我這邊我要必須提醒即便翁小玲的案子大家有意見那我是本委我也有一個提案還在我的提案是簡列2500萬所以以目前來講的話即便翁小玲的案子不在的話我的案子在那我們就以這個案子為基準大家來表示意見那文化部到底是對於簡列2500萬能不能接受我聽聽部長的意見然後我們來繼續進行討論以上 |
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10207.36 |
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好請部長說明好謝謝其實你問我的話我希望一毛多不要剪因為去年我們已經在一整年沒有預算下做得那麼好你給我們一點讚美嘛我剛才講到說文化部去年做得好不好大家都看到嘛那在一毛多沒有的情況下我們就用別的方式做 |
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| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
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那别的方式很辛苦啊那个不是正常的方式我刚才讲我写FB每天晚上写不能靠我一个人啊对不对我想你们给我们一点鼓励嘛就这样我的个人表达就这样至于你们刚才讲到其他的项目其他事情毛小孩等等我们在别的项目我们来谈今天讲的是没宣费刚才也跟各位报告没宣费我们下半年有那么多的事情要做我实在想不出来这些钱给我们我们会花在哪里我不会买媒体我不会浪费就这么简单 |
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10240.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
10258.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
翁小林委員完 再來羅志祥委員剛剛部長自己也說在去年 沒宣費一毛錢都沒有情況之下他們都做得這麼好所以這更讓我認為說既然去年都能夠做得這麼好那麼為什麼今年還要花4738萬去做沒宣 |
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10262.853 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
10265.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
我知道其實部長也很認真的想要為文化做好的這個宣傳做媒宣那麼在座的這個民進黨的委員每一個人都可以幫忙做媒宣那既然是如此的話那麼為什麼 |
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10277.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
10304.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
非得一定要花錢去做媒宣要這個花大筆錢剛剛羅志強委員這邊他本來他是簡列兩千多萬嘛那我是全山兩千多萬那麼如果說我們今天要給文化部一些鼓勵一些肯定讓部長少寫幾篇這個臉書貼文那我也可以某種程度的支持 |
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10306.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
10331.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
我本來是全山四千七百三十八萬那我們就三個四千七百萬讓這個部長少辛苦一點是不是你其他的這些活動都已經包含活動的文宣都已經是包含在各個補助的項目裡面了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
10343.019 |
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所以即便是今天你文化部沒有針對金曲獎金鐘獎去做行銷可是我看到台視等等這些媒體都還是有都還是有宣傳所以這並不影響到你們文化部的媒宣 |
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10351.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
10365.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
吳佩奕委員請不要干擾別人的發言吳佩奕委員請不要干擾別人的發言吳佩奕委員請不要干擾別人的發言 |
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10367.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
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來繼續發怒啊繼續罵啊妳要發言妳待會舉手發言妳不要干擾別人妳的格調就是如此我也很佩服那我也沒有辦法我就是不一樣跟妳們就不一樣這格調也比較高級嘛至少我陳品從頭到尾也有說出一個具體的理由把每一位比較高級翁小玲都是看仔細好 那麼剛剛羅志強委員又提了他的提案那我想我們就可以綜合一起來討論我剛有舉手囉 主席 |
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好 羅志祥委員請發言不好意思 我剛剛有先宣告我先講幾個點第一個 我的原則當然是我尊重提案委員所以汪小妍委員的提案必須尊重那第二個 我也有自己的提案在 |
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雖然汪小英委員不是教文的委員我們教文委員當然有一些意見的表達我們剛也多了很多的討論但是即便汪小英委員她的意見今天在這邊就算不處理還是有我的案子第七案可以作為一個處理的依據 |
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因為鑑於剛剛上午已經討論了非常多我這邊有一個具體的建議是因為還有第二輪所以我可以把這個簡列2500萬先把它改成凍結2500萬然後接下來我再請文化部你們說過你們有總表過來嘛你總表過來跟我溝通還有第二輪的部分第二輪的部分我還是可以再跟文化部繼續溝通啊 |
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所以現在先 這個案子我是有這樣的提議啦那如果說文化部還是有什麼意見的話也歡迎提出來我們大家來看怎麼說因為我剛剛看到不管是柯子恩委員 蔡孫柔委員還有汪曉筠 對對對但是我先講我的案子嘛 好不好 我的案子不管怎麼說三百 兩千 五百萬你都可以來溝通啊因為我就是沒有看到你們剛剛我們討論的那個我剛剛講幾個原則嘛公信力跟透明度嘛抱歉公信力我還沒被說服喔 |
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因為這兩案 雖然是別的案子 但累積的是文化部公信力但是第二個 透明度的部分 既然你們要補那把透明度補清楚以後 我們再來溝通嘛那我剛剛看到今天柯志恩委員跟蔡志恩委員他是從文化部的所謂的運作的角度來看所以他給了所謂的凍結三百萬的這個空間那這個出發點 我覺得也有他的道理 但是 |
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也不能說因此翁小玲委員的出發點沒有道理或我的出發點沒有道理所以如果大家覺得可以的話我們在凍結數字上大家可以提出一些意見那我也請文化部先來進行跟翁小玲委員的溝通跟我的溝通因為終究還有第二輪所以即便說今天教文委員會我們這邊第一輪處理的話你本來就是來找溝通以上我的建議那大家提供參考 謝謝 |
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好 陳薇議員請發言好 謝謝主席我有兩個事情要說明剛剛很可惜前面兩個多小時的討論翁委員都不在但是有一件事情我想特別跟翁委員說明但不代表我要幫文化部做宣傳第一個他剛講到有兩個館叫做國家漫畫博物館 |
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還有國家未來兒童館現在這兩館都是籌備處而籌備處為了跟社區民眾溝通他們辦了非常多的活動那個活動的部分就是用沒宣費部本部的沒宣費在您刪除的4000多萬裡面去cover |
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支應這個活動費我再講一次它是活動費它只是被編在沒宣費這個部分不能沒宣費裡頭請問翁小林委員你難道不支持國家未來兒童館你不支持國家漫畫博物館他們在籌備處期時期所辦的活動嗎這是第一個第二個主席我要求表決 |
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我再说一次我要求表决虽然过去教文委员会的惯例不一定要表决大家可以协商大家可以有共识但是今天这个题目看起来我认为不会有共识还有我要说过去的立法院也从来不会有一个不休会的这一届而这一届在张其凯委员证实下是为了帮很多在野党委员开司法保护伞 |
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所以開啟了從來沒有的慣例叫做從來不休會既然院會本體可以打破很多的慣例我想教文也可以打破慣例所以我再次重申我要求表決這邊好我剛剛先舉手了對在你之前那個郭玉琴有不好意思那是上一階段的我剛剛都有在注意看郭玉琴委員 |
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好 这边其实我也复义一下就是刚刚陈培宇委员所讲的虽然这个在教文其实我们要表决这件事情几乎是从来没有过但是我想既然大家对于这一条有这么大的一个分歧那我是不是要求也请召委来才是如果有意义的话依照意识规则第32条我们有表示意义那是不是可以就进行表决 |
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進行表決那我的主張是就是照列那如果大家覺得要照列有意義那我們就來進行表決可以嗎好 以上那個秀媛因為妳又是在翁小玲後面了沒有在她舉之前好 讓妳先 讓妳先 |
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謝謝主席那其實剛才文化部跟我們委員們的討論專於美宣費的運用業務宣導費的運用其實大家剛才已經有討論過了但是剛才翁偉霖不在然後呢我在聽 |
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翁委員的發言跟部長的發言我覺得這中間有一個誤解在部長說我們去年的沒宣費都被刪掉了但是我們依然用心的把業務做得很好您的很好是你們很用心你們態度很認真雖然沒有沒宣費你們還是努力的不管是去募款的不管是在各方面或是你們自己本身去宣傳相關的業務你們的很好是用心的在做到很好 |
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但是翁委員的誤解是說沒有沒宣費你們一樣能做沒有沒宣費你們一樣把業務做得很圓滿他的誤解在於你所說的態度很好他說的是沒有錢一樣能做事我想這是翁小玲委員對部長所表達的這個好你是有誤解的那我想這個都不用說 |
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我們開車也要加油你馬而跑也要馬而吃草這個很基本很基本的道理我想您不是不知道您只是一直要用部長所表達出來的用心來去曲解他說沒有沒宣費你們一樣能做當然 |
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文化部有比較大型的活動媒體都會有那叫新聞那不是宣傳那也不是媒體政策那就是我們發了一個新聞但是媒體有揭露出來那就是有新聞但不是文化部的每一項活動他都會發新聞稿都會有媒體願意報導包括剛才我們討論到的兒童未來館還是我們再來的我們的不管是我們的漫畫館的部分這個在 |
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這個事前的這些相關的活動就不一定上媒體也不一定能夠做到說有媒體願意去幫我們做這一切這個都需要沒宣費來做所以溫委員您的誤解為什麼您會一直咬定就是部長說沒有錢也能做事這是不可能的不管在工單位不管在市在任何的情況下都是不可能的那 |
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在温伟林林回来委员会讨论之前呢其实我们跟戍兵委员跟村丑委员都有讨论到说冻结了这个额度那个时候已经有共识就是冻结三百万那我们执政党的委员们也同意就是说因为民政党委员他们要进这个监督职责所以他们提出这个冻结的金额是三百万那个时候是大家有这个共识了我也希望说我们是就朝这个共识走以上谢谢 |
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好來翁曉琳委員之後蔡春熟委員再來吳佩儀委員我要談的就是說首先我為什麼剛剛這兩個小時不在這一個半小時不在因為我在司法法治委員會在審查稅務的審理法那裡是逐條審查所以我不是說跑去外面喝咖啡我同樣在司法院我同樣在立法院裡面 |
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我去承擔我的這個責任我在司法法治委員會在審法案回到剛剛講的這個案子我還是要講那個重要的一個原則就是沒宣費它不是一個必要的支出更何況在去年文化部 |
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他的没宣费是零元仍然可以做业务宣导不需要浪费任何一毛钱去做没宣我要再强调就是刚刚陈培佑委员有讲什么儿童未来馆啊国家儿童未来馆还有漫画馆等这些活动当然该办当然都应该要该办而这些请你 |
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不好意思 你怎麼又插話了是 沈沛瑜又插話他們下來都是這樣啊人家一直講話說一點都不尊重請不要這樣好嗎 |
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剛剛講的這兩個館的活動該辦那整個的活動的經費應該是編在業務費底下怎麼可以說是把這個活動的這個費用又把它匡列在沒宣費這是完全不合理的也違反預算的編列原則 |
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所以陳培鈺剛剛還點到就是文化部似乎有這種亂憋預算的情況那這更說明了這沒宣費憋下去不知道是用在什麼地方當然啦今天看起來很多的委員是認為說不該刪只要凍結 |
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民主就是這樣少數服從多數但是我必須說我堅持我的原則我堅持我的提案而且我的提案單可受公平不像民進黨的委員你們提了什麼到目前為止你們有刪減什麼預算嗎沒有啊從頭到尾護航到尾 |
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文化部的4738萬的沒宣費在我看來就是一個不必要的支出直接由文化部自己去做業務宣導即可我們剛剛說的啊 遵守委員在吳佩儀 |
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吳佩儀委員 |
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因為我們審查預算有直播現在線上有很多關心我們審查狀況關心我們台灣文化發展的朋友所以我認為還是有必要來說明清楚我們立法院當然有監督預算的職權我們也都就文化部具體的業務來提出我們的要求我們的討論 |
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但是我們剛剛關心了這麼多文化部有關於台北書展要不要宣傳 我認為要啊台北時裝週要不要宣傳 我認為要啊我們收到這麼多年輕朋友反映陳情台灣的黃牛票 演唱會的票這些都被加價轉售要怎麼樣來管理 怎麼樣來監督文化部要加強宣傳 以免民眾被詐騙這些我都認為要做啊 |
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那麼翁曉琳委員我真的必須要再次表達很遺憾很抱歉我努力保持比較平緩的語氣但是因為她的說明我都完全聽不出來你到底對哪一個業務有意見那麼原來我們赫然發現翁曉琳不是只有三文化部的媒介要三到零嘛 |
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他外交部的沒宣費一億元給人家刪到零嘛行政院的沒宣費他也刪到零嘛通常都用通刪的方式通刪的方式就是讓委員會中心主義專業的討論完全淪喪了嘛我們平常在這邊關心這麼多文化部的業務每次要求口頭報告書面報告然後呢就在審查預算的時候一個外委的委員來 |
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用一個通商的方式 會委員也可以提案可是你要通商的方式 我真的完全不能接受因為你就通通 我們中華民國這麼多公務員外交部的公務員 文化部的公務員 大家都錯 只有歐小林對 這有可能嗎 不符合大家的常識嗎再來 委員你對於預算 法定預算的編列完全沒有概念我們為什麼要求要編預算 |
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因為法定預算同時包含了政府單位法定業務的責任嘛我要你編預算我明天可以來監督你的執行率嘛你要不要去做這些必要的宣傳我明天才可以監督你你不編預算你說部長自己發臉書誰自己發臉書我們立法院怎麼去監督行政部門 |
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這是法定預算包含了法定業務這是基本觀念怎麼會立法委員自己來厭割自己監督行政部門的權利呢都不變預算我們怎麼監督我們委員會在這裡花這麼多時間討論結果後來發現歐小林委員就到處去每個委員會通山嘛通山 通山 通山都沒有具體計畫都不了解 你告訴我打幾黃牛票不用宣傳嗎 |
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因為我們教文會剛剛不同黨派的委員都個別的案件有所關心可是通山通山這非常的負責任我沒有辦法去接受非常不尊重我們委員會專業的討論 |
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翁曉琳委員不能夠打斷我拜託一下好好的當個領導員不要整天鬧事好不好大家都不可以打斷別人的發言我們都希望可以好好地監督好好的審查你要刪減卓山你要凍結都可以不是偷山偷山偷山那這個吳佩儀委員還是可以繼續發言請 發言好 發言了喔 OK那個 |
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好看到你們舉手了我先處理會議時間好不好因為今天我們才到第6案總共有280幾案好今天會議時間繼續進行議程所列事項我們要均處理完畢為止有異議好不好今天把它給處理完好那另外 |
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還沒吃飯時間沒關係我想說怕你們如果有便當的話可以先發給官員然後官員在旁邊的人都還可以先用便當沒關係好我們繼續發言那個陳佩玉委員 |
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好 謝謝主席我覺得就法定預算的部分真的我不想再對翁小林委員說話了但是我想要提醒其他所有的立法委員所有認真審查預算不是只會刪除預算的立法委員過去我們在看一個行政措施做得好不好 |
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大家可能很习惯去看YouTube的点播数或者是FB的按赞数现在有Trade有IG各式各样的社群媒体在过去非常多委员都会在质询台上拿来作为素材如果按照翁晓琳委员的说法现在把所有的媒宣费都删除那按照部长刚刚的说法她就开始熬夜写脸书 |
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未來難道我們所有的委員要去看部長您個人的臉書在沒有沒宣費的支持下獲得個多少個讚來確保你做得好不好嗎請問這聽起來有沒有非常非常的荒謬所以部長這個時候於是就要開始拜託次長拜託司長拜託署長拜託底下的行政官員甚至要拜託他的民間好友拜託來幫我按讚我在沒有預算的情況下 |
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熬夜写脸书想要获得更多的赞因为我明年可能要拿着这个按赞数去求翁晓琳委员说我在没有钱的预算没有预算情况下我熬夜写脸书然后你们的赞可以作为我明年换取预算的可能性 |
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這就是剛剛翁小玲委員所造成的荒謬狀況但是請問大家讓部長自己熬夜寫自己個人的臉書作為媒宣這是一個中華民國的行政機關的首長應該要做的事情嗎而翁小玲竟然還口口聲聲說聽起來非常合理所以剛剛 |
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吳佩奕委員非常好心的教翁小林委員說這叫做法定職責也就是他本來就要編列這個預算而剛剛翁小林委員的說法完全是情緒性的勒索所以難道翁委員如果你對於國家公共事務這麼有熱情我們是不是也可以說那不然你要把薪水減半你用你一半的熱情來做你立法委員的工作要不要這樣說啊 |
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如果今天大家可以理性的讨论预算我相信欧委员你绝对可以就每一个项目提出你的质疑你觉得哪里浮边哪里乱边的你都可以提出来但是在你所有跨部会的删除霉轩的预算提案当中完全看不到你具体指出来的事项所以我感到非常的遗憾今天大家花这么多时间在跟你讨论 |
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我可以理解剛剛國民黨委員不想被扣上紅帽子那我就問文化部這件事情不論是對內或是對外這件事情掐住一個國家文化部門對內對外的宣傳到底對你翁小玲有什麼好處我就請你公開說明我點名你回答掐住一個國家的文化部門對內 |
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說所有的爭獎啊比賽這件事情剛剛文化部也說了不論是經會獎、經典獎、經漫獎所有的獎項要徵件的時候這個也叫做沒宣費耶所以翁小玲委員認為經典獎不用辦了經會獎不用辦了、金曲獎不用辦了所有的獎項所有這些鼓勵台灣本土創作不論是音樂、文學、小說、漫畫、繪本獎項都不用辦了因為沒有沒宣費所以不用辦難道是這樣嗎 |
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這就是翁小玲委員想要看到台灣本土文化發展的下場跟狀況嗎等到有一天所有的文化人告訴文化部門說好吧是你們行政院不支持我們請問大家會如何看待立法院我覺得這是非常非常荒謬至極的現況而這就是翁小玲委員還有國民黨甚至我要再次提醒之前陳玉珍委員是如何大筆一揮想要刪掉公共電視的預算而且是全部刪除 |
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這就是國民黨委員你們在打的算盤嗎最後我要說文化媒宣跟提供資訊給一般的公民它是兩回事所以文化部剛剛在翁小玲委員你不在的時候我刮鬍沒有人說你去喝咖啡但是我要再次提醒您你不在的時候文化部有說明 |
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所有對於一般公民宣傳包含提供資訊這件事情他們剛才都說了但你不在所以我也要說這都不是只是沒宣那就算是透過FB透過各式各樣想要告訴大家我們在做這些事情最後以文化幣為例大家還記得文化幣之前也是被國民黨委員刪的一趟糊塗因為他們說文化幣都被年輕人拿去買書了其心可異啊他們要年輕人不要讀書所以大筆一回文化部預算刪光光 |
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那請問文化幣的使用觸及率到時候國民黨委員會不會拿到質詢台上來問為什麼觸及率這麼低為什麼使用率這麼低文化部有沒有認真宣傳報告委員我沒有宣傳但是沒選費被閃光光所以部長繼續寫臉書這就是立法院現在在發生的鬼故事以上 謝謝好 那個我知道我知道 |
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因為裴育委員原本說沒有要找你聊結果他又點名你啦那依照剛剛宣告的有點名的話就是你可以先回然後再下一個就是吳思雅委員跟郭育行委員這一早宣告的好 剛剛不管是陳裴育還是吳佩儀他們一直在強調所謂的這個立委的法定職責是什麼我要再三的強調立法委員的法定職責是什麼 |
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就是要审查预算而不是编列预算护航预算我再三强调业务宣导是每一个政府部门都该做的事去年监察院也是一毛钱的预算都没有审计部也是没有任何一毛钱的预算 |
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財產申報處沒有任何預算他們照樣可以去做業務宣導今天最重要的概念就是為什麼業務宣導一定得要花錢一定要請三立民事去幫忙做宣導 |
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我認為這是沒有必要的花費沒有必要的支出今天民進黨委員要後航文化部後航民進黨政府濫用經費濫用預算那就 |
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因為他們本來他們擔任立法委員的職責就不是在審查預算 勘緊人民的荷包而是為了要護航這個執政政府 |
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我要講的是不要動不動就把立法委員的嚴審預算去扣上紅帽子去扣上好像是我們是貶低這些政府機關文化部一年的預算請問部長你們文化部一年的預算有多少錢不知道1%是多少 |
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好290將近300億不好意思不好意思300億的預算回答的時候麻煩拿麥克風好謝謝我沒有說叫你不准回答文化部一年的預算將近300億 |
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這麼多的處事每個處事自己好好把自己的業務做好把自己的業務說明清楚那個就是最好的業務宣導它能夠達成的效果遠比花錢買廣告要來得更好 |
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所以本席先在這裡堅持的是認為這4738萬是沒有必要花費的支出不需要去花錢買廣告做媒宣就這麼簡單但是我還是很肯定文化部的同仁們你們自己針對你們自己的業務去做宣導盡心的去做宣導這是每一個文化部的同仁 |
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都應該要做的文化部部長當然更應該要帶頭示範我和民進黨委員是不一樣的我今天我坐在這個位置上面我很清楚知道立法委員的職責是什麼 |
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機關做得好 我們給予獎賞我們給予支持但是機關如果沒有必要的花費或是機關過去的表現不好該刪預算就該刪預算現在民進黨委員你們有提了哪些刪預算的項目嗎提出來啊 大家來看看啊都是凍結嘛 凍結意思是什麼之後 一個月之後 馬上就解凍了這個機關之前照用你們有善盡作為立法委員的職責嗎 |
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坦白說真的很丟臉好有啦剛剛都有宣告一定會讓你們發言請放下齁就是先宣告那個吳思瑤再來這個劉淑冰再來是你嗎喔對不起是你先喔那先郭育晴再來那個吳思瑤再來劉淑冰 |
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主席我剛有提案表決喔對啊 |
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我還是這句話因為過往的網歷都沒有表決所以你們要提案我尊重但是我沒有辦法處理因為趙婉莉是沒有在表決的所以你們要繼續發言嗎還是我要給你們建議說你們要不要先保留在委員會裡面既然大家都要講了講完了 |
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什麼樣子叫做認真審查預算的立委什麼樣子叫做丟臉的立委就是翁小玲給了我們最好的負面示範丟臉的立委不認真審查預算只會亂砍預算的立委叫翁小玲我剛已經說了翁委員點到說其他委員有沒有認真提案在審預算 |
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文委員在文化部的預算提了四個案第六 第180 第250 第274個案你可能自己提了幾個案你不知道我幫你複習一下你這第六跟250案都是要砍沒宣費 |
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理由我刚刚已经秀出来了你删减预算的内容没有明确的理由就是复制贴上跟你在砍外交部陆委会砍行政院的预算没捐费一模一样复制再贴上这么廉价 |
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這麼隨便這麼粗糙是你第六案跟第250案刪減沒宣費的提案內容您第180案跟270案是針對首長坐車你也要全砍 |
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那您的提案內容呢大家也可以對照180跟270案您的內容大致上也是複製貼上還扯到說賴清德總統因為要做國防所以呢要做國防那就不要做文化了這翁小玲的話您自己去看您的提案內容 |
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都是复制在贴上大家可以去比较看看我们在场的委员提的案的内容都有明确的该检讨该检视该改善的给文化部门做理性的监督我们每一个提案扎扎实实经得起检视 |
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第二个温委员从头到尾就搞不清楚小野部长王石思次长今天一整个早上已经恩赐的说明这一笔您要提全款的没宣费完全不涉及采购媒体广告 |
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完全不涉及置入新聞完全不是這一筆預算要支用的範圍因為沒有也不是這樣做的部長跟次長解釋了一個上午這一筆沒宣費是我們所有的管社要做推廣活動我們的獎項要去徵建請大家一起來文化參與 |
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是這些在國內對於人民的文化政策的推廣以及對外搭配國際的Mega Event我們怎麼利用國際的盛會盛事來讓我們的文化能夠搭便車能夠行銷能夠讓世界看到台灣的文化力完全無懈於你說的買三立買民視的廣告從來不是這一筆預算也沒有這樣 |
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文化部長已經講了一個早上你到現在還搞不懂然後你要來砍預算還是砍光光誰在丟臉誰在沒有認真審查預算最後一個翁小林委員剛剛講了一個事大家可以去把它repeat |
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他终于说了立法委员的职责是审查预算不是编列预算对你终于说对了一次那么就不要一再的立法权侵害行政权去提出一堆千坑法案来让立法院凌驾行政院去编列预算 |
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所以我委員是學憲法學法律的連法律都讀不通都讀不好然後對文化更是外行來這裡對於文化政策說三道四這才是丟臉的立法委員不認真的立法委員 |
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那麼最後跟主席我們的民進黨的委員剛剛已經清楚的依照議事規則32條我們對於主席才是有意義我們認為這個案子不要再無限制的這樣沒有對焦一直這樣子漫談因為文化部門的解釋提案委員也聽不懂也不聽 |
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所以說我們依據議事規則三十二條我們要求進行表決而我們的議案的主張是預算照列這是我們對於處理這筆預算的主張主席在講電話有聽到我們要求我們對我們希望能夠進行表決 |
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这是我们对预算处理的态度那不需要再无限制的这样请照顺序好吗刚刚是好像你还没有讲完是不是你还要继续攻击我现在下一位刚刚主席已经裁示你不要这样罗廷伟委员的裁示温晓琳再大也要尊重赵伟赵伟是你们家的罗廷伟好吗下一位是郭玉琴委员好吗请尊重下一位委员发言是郭玉琴委员 |
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依照剛剛昭偉的宣告只要有點名到我 我就要回應好 謝謝主席 可以輪到我講話各位選委員 基本上我有宣告說你點名他就要讓他講話啦那所以我是不是先麻煩你不要再點他要不然我就真的要讓他先完成我的剛剛的宣告了 好不好好 我想真的不好意思啦 因為 |
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我想這個翁委員啊翁委員對於這個文化審查的一個方式開創了這個台灣憲政跟這個不同大家看到的一種新的格局啊新的格局那我想一般我們正常的委員尤其是我們的本委我們在審查預算其實我們看的是項目查的是執行率我們講的是道理然後再來我們來看看到底要怎麼 |
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山怎麼動或者是我們要怎麼樣支持造列這個是正常的委員在做的事那我是本委的委員但是我們看到有委員是看顏色憑感覺然後用通山的一種方式也不針對項目那這樣子的一個審查我覺得個人認為啦基本上就是一種態度上的傲慢啦 |
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那我想這個對於文化上的一個成見這個已經是大到不願意坐下來討論任何一場我剛剛特別提到的這個所謂的政策的宣傳沒宣的費用其實用在明年的國際書展兒少的書展時裝周文博會金鼎獎金曼獎還有幾個重要場館的建制全部都要用 |
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在這筆預算當中那對於所謂的任何的細項如果有問題可不可以真的針對問題像我剛剛提到的那是在68條還有260條我想這用一個大刀大砍文化根基的做法其實這不是在監督啊這是在對台灣辛辛苦苦 |
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能夠到今天我們長出來的軟實力我剛剛用文化殺手那我現在用優雅一點我講是優雅的集體謀殺我想這不是一個立法委員審預算的方式那如果按照這種邏輯就是反正死不了沒有預算你們也可以活得很好剛剛也特別提到立法委員的職責是什麼 |
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他居然說不會啊你們民進黨的委員每一個都可以當很好的宣傳啊我們的工作是在宣傳某個部會嗎我想這個是邏輯上非常大的一個謬誤那如果要用這樣子的一個 |
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邏輯自以為是的說國家反正不用前進我們回到原始社會你不用吃你也可以活得很好你只要喝水或者是你只要呼吸你就可以繼續活下去那我想我們任何部會所有的預算拖到現在第307天依舊卡在今天這一條我個人認為非常的荒謬啦 |
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那我也支持其他我們民進黨的委員剛剛所提議的雖然教文從來沒有用過表決這是一個特殊的慣例但是到目前為止我們好不容易我們希望照列剛剛民眾黨的委員也說那沒關係那我們大家有就300凍結等到部會有完整的一些剛剛其實我們次長也講得很清楚只是因為翁小林委員因為你在司法法治委員會你也辛苦 |
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你不在但我們講過了這個部分如果大家都還有其見我們是不是就來用第32條我們來表決好嗎以上翁小玲委員因為她被點兩次了好啦 |
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我已經宣告了就照我的宣告你讓我很快的再回應一下蘇冰委員謝謝我要講今天我們在這個會場上面我們大家都是理性客觀的來討論審查案每個人都有每個人的意見每個人的想法但是我很不屑吳思瑤動不動就是人身攻擊你有好好去看過我的預算嗎 |
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對不對我要講的是不要去給人家扣帽子什麼砍了沒宣費就是文化殺手就是砍了文化根基今天的沒宣費占文化部總經費的千分之一不過就是九牛一毛 |
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我今天反對的是文化部不應該花錢花大錢去做廣告做媒宣如果說它就是業務宣導自己做就可以了就這麼簡單的邏輯所有的民進黨委員都在護著文化部 |
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刪那一點點的沒宣費好像是把文化部整個都廢了嗎有這麼誇張嗎由此可見這筆沒宣費對於民進黨而言有多麼的重要對綠媒來講有多麼的重要我現在要講的就是 |
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今天的这个提案如果说是要继续这样讲下去我们也可以继续讲我还是非常坚持我的原则我要说的就是文化部不合理的预算我会一笔一笔挑出来包含180案的为什么用了这个机关首长用车开了9年就要换一部210万的车这有什么道理 |
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我们之后我们会一个一个案子再来看我最后要讲就是民进党委员啊这个讨论预算就罢了你们一再一再的人身攻击一再一再的去给别人扣帽子没有什么意思我们今天的谈话全国的民众都在看 |
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大家心裡面都很清楚啊公理之在人心我希望待會可能就可以繼續來討論這個案子了該表決就表決吧主席我剛有說要表決喔主席我剛有說要表決不好意思我還是要讓他發言嘛那那個蘇冰委員發言剛剛那個吳思堯委員你有被點名你想要發言也可以啦那先蘇冰委員 |
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好 謝謝主席我們今天在處理媒體政策跟業務宣導費當中呢在休息之前是有一些共識的那 |
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當初是有說凍結了300萬元不過那個過程當中呢並沒有把羅志強委員的他是要檢列2500萬元這樣子的一個意見放進來那我們後來看到的是在休息之後呢劉志強委員他也直接的說了 |
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他不是要用凍結 他不是要用剪裂 他要用凍結那凍結呢 就是要凍結2500萬元那我在想說 既然剛才有委員 最重要是針對說完全要要照列 或是完全要刪解我們是不是可以做有效的部分來做形成共識 像目前的共識是 |
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張碩是三百萬但是因為羅志祥委員一直沒有就是他現在有新的提案出現了我們是不是可以就他兩千五百萬的凍結的部分再跟三百萬的這些部分來做一個妥協就可以達成了維持到教文委員會裡面非常重要的一種共識覺 |
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標準就是說到底凍結的要是解凍結的一個標準是什麼呢就是剛才已經也有共識就是村長委員他所說的基於在野黨本身是一種監督的立場就是在把原來的提案當中的第十案裡面的包括是對於文宣 |
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業務費等的 宣導費等的這個契約 委辦採購對象 播放平台執行進度 績效指標等等這些把它列出來 那就可以解決了因為本身最重要的是要達到是他希望能夠解凍把這些在野島委員所希望有所質疑的不了解的部分能夠透過一個 |
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一個解凍的這個條件就是凍結的條件把這樣子的一個意見然後更重要的是把它完成我提出來說我們應該可以就這部分來維持到我們很難得的像我們一直都有一個共識是說一直有在決策上面或是在法案或是預算上面都是用的是盡可能是用共識決那這個部分因為 |
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我是想委員能不能沒有處理我們就用凍結的方式就凍結2500萬跟凍結300萬當中去做一個處理這樣子我覺得這是可能比較合理的不然兩邊實在差異太大了好 謝謝那個蘇冰委員完是伍麗華委員所以我伍麗華委員 換你啊還是你們要我先來處理這案呢 |
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對我就是想要提醒因為剛才羅兆維主席你有宣告嘛287案今天要全部處理完畢可是我們六案就已經花了三個小時所以這樣換算的話287案我剛剛換算了一下要六天 |
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不眠不休不休六天啦我願意為了這個六天對 既然剛才有幾位委員也提議說要不要表決是不是對 就是不是來處理了好不好所以我說處理嘛 |
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那吳少偉你還要不要再發言他剛剛有點名你我是想要建議主席啦因為過去也沒有說在審查的時候點名誰誰叫接力講啦這個就是讓我們這樣你可以選擇不講不是你不用評論我的宣告你不用評論我的宣告好不好不是那我建議這樣子因為你有特別去給人家 |
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不是我啊不是我啊一開始啦一早是因為有特別抹黑攻擊或者是人身攻擊我才有這樣的宣告啦好不好你可以不用回憶你可以不用回憶但是你不能夠不讓人家發言的機會啦好不好 |
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我們不能夠支持你的言論但尊重你的發言權啊回到這個預算的處理我們的黨團的意見我們討論一個上午要刪減的理由要嘛有些案子是在補助案跟這案無涉不關或者是說什麼 |
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去買媒體置入行銷也根本沒有用到這一筆預算也沒有進行這樣子的業務所以提案的委員都搞錯方向了所以我們覺得說這樣子的這種指鹿為馬的這種方式我們是認為這筆預算要給文化部去做必要的宣傳我們認為是照列預算 |
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那刚刚在前情提要一下我们跟蔡春筹委员也做成了一个协议共识如果用卓语冻结我们可以接受所以刚刚那一轮是说冻结300万可以接受 |
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那看現在部長覺得就聽部長如果大家覺得凍結一部分的金額讓文化部提出報告時的凍資是大家都可以接受的上一輪大家的共識是凍300那看尊重部長覺得怎麼樣的東西不會影響到你業務推動又可以讓委員可以做到監督500500可以嗎教育部是怎麼樣500 |
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因為我是提案委員我來講啦因為我現在還是講其實還是有第二輪啦那剛剛我覺得我重申一個原則提案委員的意見我都會尊重所以翁小英委員的話其實還有第二輪的機會那怎麼去做那跟黨團怎麼協調那是第二輪的事情但在這邊大家既然已經一整個上午討論 |
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那我說過即便翁小雲委員的案子大家今天不把它討論進去就先放著的話仍然有我的案子在啊我的案子是簡列2500萬剛剛跟文化部也稍微我們有利用休息室有溝通了一下那這樣子就是說教育部是凍結800萬嘛 |
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那我們就比照教育部先凍結吧但是我要求兩件事情文化部跟我說明可以啦 先聽我講完啦都已經跟文化部已經講好了啦那第二個就是說我的疑慮我還是存在 |
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第一個就公信力的疑慮我剛剛說過第二個是透明度的疑慮那這兩個部分那麻煩文化部準備報告然後我們再來溝通那因為還有第二輪嘛第二輪到時候我們再看的狀況再來怎麼做進一步處理因為為了這個預算我們實在是已經爭執太久了我們今天就大家可能找一個比較折衷的地方處理 |
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那我剛才跟汪小燕委員也談過汪小燕委員她會在二輪你們再另外再說我最後再表達一下我的立場我今天的立場非常清楚我想文化部部長還有在座的各位委員還有各位的同仁們都知道我是堅持要刪但是因為這個委員會我還是尊重委員會最後的意見那麼如果說最後要改成凍結我的案子不處理我會在二輪的時候我會繼續提出全處刪除 |
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因為這是一個非常重要的原則那麼今天就是委員們認為說文化部的沒宣費有必要不刪用凍的方式我這邊就尊重召委的決定 |
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好 先跟大家特別報告這不是召委能夠單一做決定那所以也跟翁曉琳委員特別講我們都一定會尊重你的提案只是今天只是為了要推進絕對不是否定絕對不是說拒絕委員的提案因為作為主席我們就是希望持續推進討論請委員能夠諒解我不會做任何的決定那現階段最後其他的委員請提案最終的版本 |
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我們是共識決啦就凍結八百萬啦我是覺得三百啦你是多少我們大家瞧一下你要這樣講我是兩千五百要不要平均數以二我們剛才真的講到大家要凍結了不是不要這樣啦我覺得今天部長怎麼樣不要影響他不影響他凍八百就當凍八百了不影響他欸我們一開始是三百欸是你才得寸進尺喔我們一開始下午跟蔡春蓉我以為說達成公司是三百欸不航到這種程度拜託我們一開始都已經達成公司了 |
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跨黨派的共識 你不要一人推翻好 那我就因為為了這個繼續開會我高血壓現在很高了我為了保命的話我就同意這個凍結八百希望你們幫我們解凍我們會立刻寫了所有的資料給你們 謝謝好 那部會說八百有沒有意見好 沒有意見那我們向下推進 |
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好第一項文化部通案的部分媒體政策及業務先導費提案號6到10案審查結果8到9案是改為主決議除以上個案我們現在凍結800萬提出書面報告經委員同意才使得動之接著處理第一項文化部黑潮計畫提案號第11案 |
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劉書斌委員 |
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好 謝謝主席這個案子是要推展我們重大台灣跟建立文化自信的黑潮台灣文化黑潮計畫這個部分經過了次長來做說明之後其實我發覺到做了蠻多的事情是值得肯定的但是在有些部分當中我想要提供的一些意見是因為曾經在這個 |
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計畫是2024到2027嘛那我們看到就是說有一個案子是比較特殊就是靈異攻擊嘛那這個部分2024的那這個部分呢事實上是當初大家說有一些這樣的一個疑義不過這些部分我看到的全部的疑問的發展之後呢我是覺得這邊可能是在他的審查透明度這邊審查項目上面是需要再 |
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讓大家知道說是不是會有有點那個政治宣傳的意義可是我覺得要化解疑義的話就是說希望在他的審查的這個項目跟審查透明度能夠我覺得會再往這邊幫他去發展我覺得是可以接受的然後另外他還有一個問題是在說他那個計畫真的是跨到目前在預算書裡面是跨到六項的六個項目 |
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我是覺得可是因為預算書就是這樣規定那沒有問題可是我是想說因為市長你也說過其實你們在你們文化部裡面是針對黑潮計畫好像有特別的一本的預算但是我是說能不能說對於委員們在審查的時候是方便的話是不是可以針對黑潮計畫的部分把它做一些簡略的重點再跟另外再附給 |
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也許就是先以教完委員會的委員為主來去上不然的話其實只有其他委員會的委員再跟你們去要這個部分然後第三個部分我是希望說在執行的成效這邊你們有建議說我可能組決議我是希望說在執行成效這邊因為我看到的是 |
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成效這邊我想要具體的內容報告說成效的項目是什麼你在對執行成效裡面的檢核它的項目是什麼還有它的KPI是什麼我希望能夠在這邊能夠更清楚的讓我們書面資料知道的話我就是覺得會再改成說像主決議的方式因為本來是比較想改成主決議但是希望是說因為 |
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還是有監督的情況我在想說是不是我原來這個24年度的計劃是27億那我本來是動10%那我現在是說我動1%就好了 |
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這樣子的方式 動這個方式兩千七啊不是 我現在兩百對不起沒有 你十八是兩億七啊一八不兩千七那就是那個兩百多萬兩百多萬就好了所以零點一趴對對對 兩百多萬 對對對你要動零點一趴對 我的意思就是說還是讓他覺得 不然這個計畫我不曉得能不能你要不要講個整數數字就是兩百萬或兩百七十萬這樣子 |
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兩億七變兩百對兩百對就是因為我看到他們的確也真的做了蠻多而且像包括楊雙子的這個計畫的這個書的部分他可以擴展就是在過去在出版業當中是非常的就已經有新做的我覺得非常好的那讓我加速推進好來兩百文化部有沒有意見洞潔兩百好兩百兩百我們 |
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我們裡面的預算我們自己自行調整書面報告使得凍結200萬不要調整啦你應該是要想辦法說服委員去解凍啦不要因為數目少就說我也不差這個錢我再來不是不是我講錯對不起喔好啦好啦凍結200萬這一個提案案號第11案齁我們凍結200萬提出書面報告後經委員同意喔才可以使得凍結那喔我知道 |
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好 接著處理第一項文化不同案部分業務費 案號12案到16案12到16好 那大家都沒有舉手 那我先講了來 |
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我們現在要討論到的第十案請大家可以看一下文化部在綜合規劃的業務我們有新增辦理一個業務計劃叫做文化與AI融合的創新計劃還有影視及流行音樂策劃的發展工作計劃項目也新增了一個AI創新應用的服務計劃 |
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那文化创意产业的发展业务呢下面也新增了空总台湾当代文化实验场第三期的整体发展计划新增办理之跨单位的人文驱动未来社会关键课题的研究跟发展的一个计划总共有四项是新兴计划四项那在这个预算案送本院审议前呢上位或行政院核定 |
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就先行編列預算違反了預算法的規定我覺得有檢討的一個必要齁那其中我們可以看到不管是空總台灣當代文化實驗場人文驅動未來社會關鍵課題皆為新興計畫但是文化部在115年度的時候預算未審查完前喔分別已經完成了空總台灣當代文化實驗場 |
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還有我們相關的維運勞務的採購案以及完成了2026人文驅動文化基地當作協作的策展藝文的勞務協購案發包作業都已經完成了所以再者文化跟AI融合創新的計畫都是新興產業的新興計畫文化部竟然在114年11月即進行設備的採購 |
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招標作業並於同年12月完成發包得標的負責人曾涉及中華電信採購微標弊案我認為文化不要說清楚講明白為什麼115年的新興計畫114年即先進行發包預算沒有審查完成前發包所需的經費又何從哪裡 |
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找出來的該標案發包的過程是否合乎法規我認為在這一次文化部115年預算的編列跟執行明顯違反了預算法的一個規定而且有預算違法流用的疑慮我認為要實際的檢討也請你們說出你們的相關 |
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如何去營資所以我這邊提業務費5000萬減劣凍結5%這個部分所以我覺得很奇怪為什麼會有辦法新興計畫然後說不能夠使用結果現在你們就被我們抓包了又使用了請說明 |
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跟委員做一個報告剛剛委員提到這幾項計畫其中屬於新興計畫文化與AI融合的這支創新計畫其他案子空總因為它是第三期計畫所以它其實是一個延續型的計畫事實上它在行政院因為我們原來就有第二期所以它是第三期它是屬於延續區域的計畫 |
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那另外呢在人文驅動的未來社會關鍵的議題的部分它是屬於科技計畫是由國科會這邊核定的所以它基本上都已經在完全審議之後我們才同意編列這個預算所以並沒有說我們在沒有同意之前就編列預算的情形那第二部分剛剛委員特別關切到的就是我們有一支 |
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計劃叫文化與AI融合為什麼是新計劃我們卻有一個採購的部分因為我們現在推動AI的相關預算但是我們盤點了整文化部我們並沒有任何跟AI有關的設備跟算力所以我們是在去年我們每一年其實都會編列一個資訊設備的更新跟整個系統的改善的計劃所以我們去年在114年我們採購的計劃是 |
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用文化部的资讯设备费来采购我们AI所需要的设备跟算力只是它同时如果今年新兴计划通过的时候我们可以作为今年新兴计划之用那我们主要的用途是这样那我们在115年的这个AI的融合的新兴计划有是没有编列任何资本门因照速发部的规定它本来就不可以编列设备费所以我们并没有动用115年的相关的预算那另外呢刚刚委员有提到说我们的采购里头这个 |
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負責人好像有涉及到其他的案子但因為我們採購的這家公司它基本上還是在工程會它並沒有被列為拒絕的廠商所以我們是依照公開的採購的方式然後讓他們來競標所以並沒有去涉及相關的弊案的部分以上先跟委員做簡單的報告好 你們跟萬美玲委員在溝通的過程當中你們也跟他們講說是整個標案的名稱物質拿標案的名稱物質 |
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來說服委員我認為很難有公信力剛剛你也有特別提到你說這個空總台灣當代文化實驗場第三期他是延續的但是人文驅動的部分你就是這就是新興的嘛 |
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那我們可以看到那你說是國科會那我要講說預算還沒有審你們不是都說不能動嗎啊結果你們現在又可以動了啊不管他是國科會還是文化部嘛你們就動了嘛這就是事實嘛再來你跟萬美玲委員回答的是什麼我跟你講萬美玲委員特別請我一定要監督這件事情你用物質標案來告訴委員我認為說不過去啊標案可以物質對不起我沒辦法接受 |
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我也請在場所有委員評評理他跟委員回應是物質標案你們相信嗎好 再來這一個所謂微標者他有所謂的採購弊案有疑慮啊工程會沒有去阻擋難道文化部在發報的過程中沒有去研究一下或者是發報後沒有去做探討嗎那現在我們點出的問題你給有微標的人去標到了 |
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這不就是我們不監督的話等於是放任這種事情嗎我不能夠接受所謂的標暗物質這幾個字就想要呼嚨帶過所以我覺得這個有必要要簡列跟凍結 以上 |
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好 其實我想問兩個點我覺得我也支持就是簡列凍結啦第一個就是標案物質這個理由我說真的很難接受啦那第二個知道政府其實我們人民對於所謂的政府的清廉跟所謂的守法的要求非常的高那既然都有這個所謂的微標的這種相關的一些爭議出現那我覺得應該要同意先於簡列然後並於凍結 以上 |
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好那我們現在來處理這一項第一項文化部通案的部分業務費提案案號第十二案到十六案改為主決議的有十三十五另外因為我有提到第十二案有這個相關微標的人得標然後還有這個物質標案的一個現況所以要求羅廷偉萬美林我們共同來提案是檢列五千萬凍結五趴 |
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稍後一下那個文化部門要說明一下嗎因為剛剛什麼物質標案這個請說明一下看實際的狀況是如何跟委員說明這個115年的國科會的這一次文化與AI融合創意計畫它已經明定它不能購買設備所以我們是用114年我們文化部的結一款去為了應用115年的這次計畫以及因為114年我們文化部內都沒有 |
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這個AI的算力所以我們用剩餘款去購買然後計畫名稱只是跟我們115文化與AI融合創新計畫的預算力資源硬體的設備採購案那另外跟委員說明因為剛剛委員提到了雖然這一家有涉及微標但是因為我們是採公開招標然後以最低 |
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那來投標的有三家然後這一家是最低標那他也沒有在工程會的拒絕往來所以我也沒辦法拒絕他來投標的這個事實 |
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他有涉及微標的這個弊案嘛但是工程會並沒有這個資格拒絕他我知道所以我幫你拒絕所以我認為已經有被他標到了那有疑慮啊所以本為監督的一個事實我一定要想辦法阻擋那你說工程招標的流程你沒辦法拒絕好沒關係啊但我現在發現他也標到了我必須要處理啊 |
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再者我們現在看到說整個預算沒有通過中華民國很窮中華民國沒辦法執行任何業務可是事實上你們就是透過了其他的行政程序去處理了發包也發包完成了嘛現在發包完成了嘛對不對也被他標到了嘛是對嘛所以還是可以運作嘛就正式的告訴全體國人嘛這是事實啊 |
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所以有物質的一個狀況你跟我講對不起我沒辦法接受有微標的人標到我沒辦法接受那你還是有辦法去我們還沒有審理預算一方面有人喊說沒辦法動一方面沒有啊實際上已經標出去了這跟國人說明了嘛所以喊窮都喊假的嘛 |
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抱歉跟委员再做一个补充因为115年的这个文化跟AI融合编列2000多万这笔预算我们到目前是没有动之的依照规定是新兴计划所以我们没有动之那刚刚委员提的是我们在114年采购一个设备但同仁呢他为了预期是未来可能会提供这个计划使用所以他在招标的时候就写了这个计划的名称采购设备所以他并不是用150年的新兴计划所以这部分我们确实要检讨我们事实上是 |
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我們是買了這個設備是未來要支應這個計畫使用但它並不是用這個計畫因為這個計畫並沒有編列設備費依照規定就是不能編列設備要由機關自己自籌好沒關係所以這部分我們是可以來編討但你有承認它就是預先想到未來需要它去買的嗎不是不是是因為本來那個計畫在114年速發布就已經通過了所以通過之後就停我們設備要自己自籌然後那個今年那個預算不可以用在設備費要我們自己先採購設備所以我們才會用我們自己的設備費先去支應這個設備 |
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文化部很棒就他有自己的方法還是有辦法去指引未來的狀況嘛那事實上就是有去採購嘛有發包嘛那我你還是沒有辦法解釋我最後一項跟你問的一件事情違標者有弊案現在被他標到了那你說你阻擋不了那你不能夠告訴立法委員我不能阻擋啊 |
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他涉及維標,但是他並沒有在工程會列這個決定,我知道,我都知道,你講過了所以工程會沒有要求你拒絕他,你沒有依據可以拒絕他嘛那立法委員用最高的原則,我覺得要有疑慮,所以我先凍結後面想辦法的時候再來討論嘛對不對,我在守護的是納稅錢啊 |
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那请问冻结的数额因为听起来对不起主席听起来好像在理解上有一点落差就是工程会确实如果对于一些招标采购案如果有明确的违法事证它就会被列为政府采购的黑名单所以在各个部会要采购的时候它就会横向联系这一家不能来投 |
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但是這一家如果就剛剛文化部的說明是不是整個公司是當中的人士有過去的某個案子可能有類似被什麼樣子的因為我真的不知道這個實際內容但是整個公司的運作沒有被排除在這個黑名單內然後被排除在政治局採購所以確實你們沒有辦法在那個當下去預警那現在就是要回到這個案子的執行 |
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那個昭緯想要做一點凍結來督促你們來檢視我覺得也可以只是說在金額的部分大家怎麼樣不影響這整個我坦白講你們也是有一點 |
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這個叫做受害人啊他們真的也是有一點受害者的角色所以是不是在凍結的金額上我們大家可以商量一下那主席剛剛所說的主席的出發點是給你們一點壓力去理解釐清這個事情但真的凍結的金額我覺得大家要商量否則讓整個案子因此而shut down沒有辦法進行這應該也不是主席的原意啦 |
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三十一億凍結一億不會結束啦那我想你們還是可以解凍這個資訊是兩百多萬的案子這是兩百多萬的採購案對對對兩百多萬的採購案但是我就是順防有任何外溢嘛所以我就提到了這個原則兩百多萬的案子要凍到一億謝謝主席其實我剛才聽文化部的解釋他們因為這個案子 |
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是國科會那邊書發部書發出下來的這個案子他們115年的預算是不能買設備的所以他們用114年的結餘款先去發包買了這個設備那主席您這邊要動的是他115年的預算在執行的執行計劃執行的費用 |
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但他設備已經採購了設備已經發包了那你現在動了這個費用跟他採購設備那是兩件事情你說你用立法委員最高的職權來幫助他就是去擋這件事情來幫他擋這件事情沒有辦法擋因為這是兩件事情您動的是115年的執行的預算 |
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但是他這個採購的是用114年的結餘款去採購的設備所以也沒辦法去阻擋他這是兩件事情所以我會希望說主席您看在說他本身他當然他在這個處理的過程裡面他先用114年的結餘款去買了115年要用的設備當然這是不是他們本身在這個處理的過程沒有很細緻但是他既然設備已經買了那115年要執行 |
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設備已經買了你又把它執行的預算凍結了那買了這個設備等於就是放著但是沒有辦法阻止它已經發生了是已經得標已經採購到的這個設備所以我想這個主席您在這個山洞的這個部分是不是可以再斟酌一下 |
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我先問文化部 文化部確定是用114年的結餘款的設備有剩餘的部分來處理的嗎因為我們本來就有編一個資訊設備那就對了 文化部就多編嘛 難怪會有結餘啊 |
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沒有主要是因為我們以前就說錢不夠之前都跟我們講說不能統三統三會讓這個文化部被癱瘓現在就證明那個有結餘款任何工程都可能有結餘款所以確定是用14年來結餘款來購買但是我還是要講的是你們當時怎麼會用物質標案來說服萬美林我看不懂你過了萬美林那一關過不了我這一關 |
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那萬美玲她就跟我講我跟你講這邊都有萬美玲委員寫給我的她認為這個標案有很大的弊案的存在所以委員這邊都還是有所疑慮你沒辦法說服我啊在這樣子的一個原則之下我們去提出了凍結凍結不是不讓你用不是會有什麼樣的一個狀況你們就會被癱瘓而是你要說服我我就讓你可以動用啊 |
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你們的理解跟我的理解方式不一樣我只能尊重啦但是你不可以說我都是錯的那問題我現在已經抓到因為剛剛有委員也證實了我們現在是說這間公司沒有什麼問題是那一個人有什麼問題是嗎他掛名另外一家的董事 |
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所以就證明他有連帶關係有群帶關係嘛所以我在講說我的疑慮不是沒來由今天我如果是 |
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完全他都清清白白我給他說這個有可能有問題那可能我有失願沒有新聞看到他就是有裙帶關係啊他會不會透過B公司人頭來處理這件事我會擔憂啊所以今天一方面114年有結餘一方面你跟委員說物質標案 |
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新興計劃你用別的方式來想辦法處理了最後你又跟我講啊這個他只是那個人有問題這間公司沒問題我沒辦法接受啊對不起所以今天我們是不是就直接講這個數字 |
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你們就直接講跟委員報告一下因為這個設備的採購案是兩百多萬那是不是那我們今年預算是完全不能做採購那是不是當然我也必須要承認說我們同仁用物質這是一個非常不恰當的我們不是物質 |
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他們這樣的寫法我說實在我們是真的跟這樣委員說明是不當那所以是不是可以委員同意我們可以凍結一定的就是一個金額比如說一百萬或什麼讓我們來寫個檢討報跟各位委員來說明我們整個流程跟改善那115的預算信用我們是絕對還沒有凍至這點請委員放心我們在沒有通過之前我們是不會凍的 |
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所以也跟委員報告是的確有用物質標案的說法來說服委員這不是我在抹黑那你現在改口了嘛那我在審理預算的時候你才改口我要怎麼跟國人交代我不能因為你改口了我現在說好那我放行啊這有這個過程啊所以我認為這事情很多貓膩啊那我們來處理預算 |
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剪裂5000萬 凍結5%有沒有委員有意見有意見委員請說這個案子的本體萬美玲委員跟昭偉質疑的這個採購案的本體是200多萬的預算 |
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那要去檢視這200多萬的採購預算的執行有沒有昭緯所擔心的就目前聽起來我認為既然他沒有排除在工程會的黑名單代表他這個公司本身是沒有問題的因為是有問題的是另外一個公司這個要釐清那昭緯擔心說另外一個公司會不會影響這個公司基本上我是覺得 |
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可能也有點過濾了啦但是回到這個案子本身是兩百多萬啊那個召委您要動三減五千萬這個案子的本體的採購是兩百多萬您要這樣是幾倍二十五倍 |
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這個會影響到其他的部分就這個採購案來處理剛剛講兩百多萬文化部接受是說那凍結一百萬已經二分之一了要不凍結一百五十萬讓他就這個採購案的部分提出檢視報告給召委給關心的委員這樣比較符合比例原則啦兩百七十萬的採購 |
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你動他一百五我覺得已經是非常非常嚴厲的給他們壓力了那要外溢到其他的一大包的預算的其他部分我是覺得請主席是不是能夠再三思再三思這真的是誠心的請求再三思一下 |
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我想跟委員特別報告31億他是一筆很大的一個費用所以你們不能直接講說就是200萬有問題就處理200萬我其他的也要一併檢視我怎麼知道其他的有沒有我沒發現的弊案再來我們常常在講我就拿營養午餐來說有人拿比如說進口雞腿給我們的孩子我們的孩子只能夠吃本土的只能夠吃營養的抓到了 |
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我們就害怕這些人藉口上市我們就害怕這些人透過B公司又來處理營養午餐其實都一樣的概念你現在在A公司有問題你告訴我你用B公司來標標道了B公司沒問題說不過去委員我知道你很辛苦你一直在講你們想要護航的話你這邊刪除的本體是整個文化部的業務費 |
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因為一個個案然後您的刪減的標的是整個文化部的業務費您只講31億大家可能以為說這個案子本身這個計畫或是這個建設本身是31億沒有啊我一再的強調是業務費整體有31億那整體31億就這個個案那我看到了這一件事情太誇張然後還竟然敢跟委員講說標案是物質啊 |
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物質怎麼可能不要按物質呢經過這麼多純誠的手續剛剛已經有承認說他們的確有這樣的說法那我認為對委員要有一個交代所以我們在本魚監督的過程應該要好好來審視你今天跟我談不要簡列那我問你洞潔呢 |
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凍結這個案子270萬你又不准我檢列又不准我凍結不是 可以凍結啊 你要我凍結150因為這個案子的本體是270萬我0.1%這個案子的本體是270萬所以凍結150萬已經是二分之一以上了張偉 這個案子的本體是270萬的採購案 |
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那您要把它用整個業務費來動標的上我覺得是比例原則也不正確我解釋一下基本上它不是一個弊案就它是標的過程中它不是一個是大家貪污什麼什麼弊案它不是然後其實我們文化部要追上政府的那個AI在我們原來 |
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部門裡面只有資訊處可以所以基本上我們新興計畫不能動用其實我們心裡是想趕快啟動AI這方面的一些設備還有語料庫還有那個產業所以其實我們同仁非常急的趕快先買設備我知道 剛剛有講過新興計畫不能動用 |
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你拿别的钱来用嘛新兴计划我不能动的原因是因为预算拖到现在没有过我们心里蛮急的所以你们有方法可以去没有方法其实我们文化部很想追上AI的脚步请委员同情我们就是文化部本来没有AI这样一个部门但是为了赶上政府AI这个我们只能从国科会那边取得一些科技计划然后也只有资讯部可以做这个事我们就先采购设备然后希望 |
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速度快一點沒有它不是涉及到弊案這一點請大家原諒我們沒有弊案只是剛剛講到物質事實上我們資訊處剛剛講到物質對啊就說你們一定要找到一個問題它不是標案的人是不是有違標的狀況嗎剛剛有講到它是其中有一個對不對 |
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那家公司本身也沒有會不會有藉口上市會不會有A公司有問題來B公司嘛你要幫他背書就對了要不然你就說他這完全沒問題請我不要凍結我不是要幫他背書公務員做事情完全按照規定譬如說他來標的人採最低標然後三家都合法這點我覺得 |
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應該相信文化部的公務員他不會去冒這個險他不是一個弊案嘛所以我剛剛講說我相信你們沒有理由沒有法院繼續拒絕他因為工程會沒有告訴你們他黑名單嘛可是現在我看到了他有藉口上市的可能性也已經確定標到了那他有微標的潛力我要來想辦法去透過這件事情先暫緩那 |
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你要說服我為什麼我不要做這個動作我要說服你就是因為我們的業務費有31億遍佈在每個項目裡面然後我們發生這件事情也許我們有錯誤但是我覺得應該值得原諒的原因是同仁沒有在這裡面犯下任何嚴重的說貪毒啊什麼什麼他不是這麼惡劣然後我再講我們為了要追上AI的這個計畫新興計畫沒辦法動已經過了半年了我們就用資訊處來先啟動 |
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這個從頭到尾是一個我們努力工作不要卡在這個有一點這種剛剛講到說標案標案如果從公務員角度看他也是按照規定啦其實我們公務員本身沒有一個想要去違法的好 部長 |
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我一再強調我沒有說公務人員有做違法亂紀的事情而是我看到了工程會沒有把它變成黑名單讓你們不小心標給他了啊這個人有問題所以我先幫你所謂的暫緩凍結都是預防後面我們是不是提出計畫以後我來了解他到底有多嚴重我們細不探討 |
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所以你一開始就不應該用物質的方式來說服委員不要做這件事情物質標案我覺得這件事情說法真的太扯了那再來現階段我還是要再說因為你們擔憂沒有AI所以要先採購所以就是你們還是有辦法可以處理政府不是完全沒辦法嗎那有盈餘你們也有所謂的疑慮你們也剛剛也證實了嘛所以現在我問你那你要你覺得要多少 |
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你覺得這家公司沒問題你幫他講話那你覺得要多少 |
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其實我剛才所有的解釋都不是要辦理一下公司解釋我只是要解釋我們要追上AI之後做了這個標案我也認同追上AI對 我覺得它不是一個弊案不要把它升高到這麼高的一個弊案要懲罰我們說那個要檢列那我們可不可以凍結幾百萬就說結束 |
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就動一半150萬已經是很大的警示了就算我們剛剛那個物質有錯誤的話我們還是可以寫一個報告仔細的解釋這個事情好嗎尊重部長的建議大概就是12到16因為剛剛你們都你們有提案嗎因為你們都 |
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那主席我可以先建議一下就是說是不是因為現在也討論了這麼久的時間就是說我們是不是就處理到這一幕的業務費持續討論然後讓大家可以一個早上了看等一下是不是可以休息一下吃個便當然後看是您要宣告 |
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兩點啊還是幾點回來再開讓大家時間上可以安排是不是可以先處理到這個業務費因為看來可能還要釐清很久那如果沒有這一幕提案的委員我們可以先 |
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先離開先到旁邊吃便當可以嗎好不好我意思是說不是不是新主席您是會在這一幕處理完先休息午餐是不是我們要知道您的議程安排然後我們下午要幾點回舊定位您讓我們可以我們就處理到這一幕嘛好那下午我們幾點您先宣告一下大家時間可以配合好我們到12到16好那下午我們幾點好那我們幾點回來您要不要也宣告一下呃 |
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大家方便安排因為我等一下因為我還不確定我會討論到幾點我待會再宣告好不好那現在就是到這一幕對對對 |
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我有案號14跟16兩個案子 一個是國內旅費 國內旅費部分文化部115年度國內旅費編列是1980萬 較114年度的1422.3萬113年度的1459.9萬 增加將近4成500多萬 |
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依照中央各主管機關編制115年度概算應行注意辦理事項有關國內國外旅費應嚴格控管之規定應審酌115年度國內旅費編列數之必要性及合理性以杜絕浪費那我提案簡列該項預算500萬那16案我一併說好了是國外旅費的部分那一樣115年度文化部國外旅費預算是 |
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一千五百零三萬三千元交一百一十四年度的五百一十九萬八千元增加九百八十三萬五千元那漲幅驚人那依照一樣依照中央主管機關編列一五年度概算因行注意事項的第五點第三款的規定各機關國內外旅費派員出國教育訓練費應嚴格控管 |
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那本年度編列國外旅費跟派員出國教育訓練費用合計數以不超過該二科目114年度預算按合計數為原則那也提案減列1000萬那當然文化部有說明說115年預算加114年增加983萬5000元是因為114年國外的旅費遭通三六成但是我一樣還是覺得這個理由並不夠充分 |
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因為基本上在過去我們根據預算尊潔的原則為納稅人來精打細算那在原來預算規模之下事實上我們本來就是國內國外旅費都盡量能以尊潔為主那既然去年有這個基準的話我們應該以這個基準來評量文化部接下來國內外旅費的一個基準所以這是我的兩個簡列案以上 |
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好那因為我自己15案吼也有簽吼大陸地區的旅費我是改組決議啦但還是你們現在還是會去中國大陸因為這個港澳的旅遊警示還是調升為橙色等級啦吼那我認為 |
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既然政府的政令就是現在說橙色等級盡量避免不要前往但是你們還是一直持續的想要往那邊走這樣是不是跟我們賴政府所做的決議有所違背 |
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我想這個他們也一直在講啊會有非法扣押留置盤查那結果你們還是想去希望我這個錢不要去處理我就覺得很奇怪這個你們好像應該要檢討一下怎麼會跟現在入委會啊整個行政院的態度差這麼多再麻煩一下因為這個港澳的旅遊警示燈還是橙色等級那現在有沒有要就 |
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我跟羅志強委員的回應一下就這個14跟16案好 跟委員報告一下我們的國內旅費呢事實上因為我們其實主要是那我們以這個社區營造跟文資的預算來的減稅因為我們現在所有的社區跟地方創產它其實都在分散在各縣市所以我們基本上會編列比較高的這個國內旅費是因為我們要陪同夜市到每個地方其實希望能夠帶夜市去做實地的訪視跟協助夜市就是導師還有一些業者 對 |
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對 我們希望帶著他到比如說像我們有青年春日計畫或原住民的春日計畫那因為我們每一年的補助案件都非常多我們希望能夠帶著業師到現場去做一些訪視給他們提供一些協助跟輔導那所以這部分就變成我們同仁其實會陪同相關的前往所以這塊部分呢我們才會希望說能夠有足夠的國內旅費因為包括我們還有離島等等的部分 |
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那國外禮費的部分呢主要是因為我們其實有非常多管所我們都希望我們的管所呢它現在其實跟國際做國際的聯合策展那比如說昨天像我們史前款做了一個鳥居籠帳的展它事實上是跟日本做合作那我們希望他們可以前期到日本去實際的跟他們做比較多好的調研那回國之後可以一起做國際策展一來是提升台灣整個的能見度 |
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所以我们才会在国外旅费跟国内旅费这边编列相关就业务推动部分来编列所以可能看起来我也会觉得我们较之前有成长那主要是因为我们现在相关的业务的推动上面我们也希望他们能更有对国际上面有一些交代谢谢所以你们会去带夜思出国 |
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這部分是國內國內的部分國際的部分是跟國際的很多博物館一起做聯合的策展所以會一年到那邊可能一年是巡迴到再回到台灣來做聯合的策展所以出國到底有沒有有有有當然有出國也有出國的也有出國港澳有沒有 |
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我們先編列這個預算那有時候比如說我們會到國外會去參加音樂節如果我們的業者有前往當地去參加音樂節我們有時候為了了解他們實際在現場遇到的一些狀況我們還是會派同仁必要的時候還是會前往去那邊了解狀況那謝謝委員的提醒可是陸委會就說現在有影響人身制安全啊也是為了要保障你們的安全那羅志強委員呢 |
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我先就十四、十六案,我覺得沒有說服我啦第一個,這個國內與非照你的說法,那去年跟前年就,夜市就不需要去啦實質上我要特別講的是,任何的機關,任何的項目預算,一年增加四成 |
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那比例上就不是一個小的數字比例那我覺得這個征服我認為是不合理的所以檢列五百萬元是考慮這個那如果你就算有所增加我覺得你要增加到所謂的百分之四十我認為是太多所以請那個文化部你們自己提要檢列多少我們再來討論一下那至於國外旅費的部分其實到底也是相同 |
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那去年我們從尊潔角度有對國外旅費來進行所謂的三減來為我們的這個公帑來節省那今年就算你要有增加的需求但我認為你增加將近快要一倍八 將近九十趴比起去年我覺得一樣是不合理的所以這個減劣的部分我覺得有必要但是要減劣多少的話讓那個文化部來說明一下部長你覺得要減劣多少 |
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不好意思麻煩你麥克風要開沒有 |
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我還是希望不要剪裂然後凍結一部分因為剛剛已經我們同仁有解釋是因為我們的業務你雖然說我們是成長費用可是基本上我們的業務的項目也成長蠻多因為在國內你說我們要去很多離島原住民區其實都是因為工作量變多了他並不是去玩耍 |
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那剛剛講到文化交流我們博物館不可能永遠在台灣自己展一定要是跟國際之間剛才港澳之間我們現在其實我們文化不還有預算編載港澳有人在那邊接應一些事情發生的我們必須要做所以那個也是固定的預算以上就是我解釋我們願意再寫更仔細一點並不是為了成長而故意編這麼多是我們真的業務變得很多謝謝 |
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港澳那邊你有人有啊 是跟委員報告就是雖然現在正式的公務人員在港澳是沒有但是在地的僱員以及辦公室的維護那這個費用是都還在進行當中那另外陸委會他們也是會派員前往港澳去視察那另外有一些急難救助的這個業務的需要因為民間健康型的這樣子的一個 |
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互動還是在進行當中所以有一些急難救助的這個任務需求也有這個差旅費的這個必要所以你會用差旅費去急難救助不是就是為了這個目的我們可能要去協助因為他們還是會去參加像一些藝文的展演或者是一些類似博覽會這樣子不同的活動所以台灣跟港澳的這個交流並沒有停止 |
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是那這是針對羅委員但是就委員所提到的增加983萬5千元增幅189.21%這增幅實在是太可怕了是跟委員做報告就是說羅委員提到這189那當然是因為去年是被刪減的這樣子一個弧度的這個母數計算所以才有這樣子一個數字就是 |
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比較高而邊裂啦沒關係那委員他的說法你覺得呢那我再繼續解釋就是2002年之後疫情結束之後事實上國際交流的這個能量是大爆發我們累積了很多的這樣子的一個文化內容那在疫情之後大家都急著要出去所以這個能量大爆發所以我們也有做這樣子的一個增幅但是增幅大概是對疫情之後好幾年了還在大爆發 |
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因為大家都會先吸收他們自己國內的文化內容就是每個國家先吸收完才開始會有國際的那我們大概有一點增幅增幅大概1.8%左右一般來講大概會增加3到5%但是我們只增了1.8%所以沒有太高你講的好像疫情是兩年前我簡單的回應我覺得這理由還是沒有說服我 |
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那如果這樣的話我就要請那個不理頭號因為我們還有第二輪的那個協商嘛那就保留送協商我的建議是這樣好那我的案跟著你一起保留送協商好不好那就這樣子我們繼續進行好補充宣告第四案改為主決議接著處理第一幕沒有我們就說要休息了 |
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對對對對對好那第一項文化部的通案部分業務費提案號12到16審查結果改為主決議為13 15那另外呢12 14 16保留送協商喔以上14也是你的嘛對不對對對保留送協商好 |
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那接著我們在處理第一幕一般行政提案案號17到18之前我們先休息吃個便當我們預計1點半繼續開會 |
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多謝收看 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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好 我們繼續開會喔不好意思 因為剛剛有人提議說再多15分鐘啦因為便當比較好進食所以我才慢了一些因為有人提議說30分鐘不到吃便當好 第一幕行政案號第17、18案我們提案的委員請說明蔡順澤委員 |
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大家午安我正在這個案子做一個說明這個案子立法院預算中心都指出文化部主管預算不只是在本部還分散在基金行政法人還有財團法人跟所屬機關 |
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文化部的經費大部分都是一大包如果沒有一個統一的管考表立法院也很難來追蹤問題是否是真正改善所以我希望文化部能夠提出管考表還有追蹤機制那這個案子我仍然維持凍結兩百萬以上好 凍結兩百我們其他委員有意見 |
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沒有齁 那我們主管機關請回覆跟委員報告我們是不是可以讓我們凍結的數目少一點因為是這樣因為上次我跟委員說明過這個其實一般行政的維持費所以它會影響的是我們一般的普通的業務維持所以如果可以凍結100然後讓我們做書面的整理跟說明這樣可以嗎好 委員有意見嗎 |
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那是不是就是市面報告把跨機關、跨基金、跨法人的一個預算問題做一個管考表我們做個中整然後還有要明列預算中心的評估問題 |
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跟責任單位還有應對科目改善措施期程跟疫情的效益而且要說明適合修正補助投資績效考核還有內控資訊公開跟利益衝突的一個防範機制然後第四要提出每一季提供立法院追蹤的方式這樣好不好好 不過跟委員說因為它是一般行政所以它的追蹤的方式可能不會像專案這樣這麼清晰但它一樣會有執行的追蹤可以提供 |
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可以讓我們可以看得懂 然後可以監督這樣好 還有委員有意見嗎那我們來處理喔 |
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一般行政提案案號第十七十八案審查結果改為主決議十七那剛剛說凍結一百萬嘛好凍結一百萬並針對各提案的要求一審查會決議提出書面報告然後再使得動之接著處理第二幕綜合規劃提案案號十九到四十好請吳書吳思耀委員對不對 |
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謝謝大家辛苦了我要請部長次長大家認真我在綜合規劃有四個案我認為都是非常我重視的事情也是我們在綜合規劃對於文化不管是視覺或是表演藝術很重要的在規劃面向的政策請我透過預算案的提出希望文化部門要來精進我的第20案主要是針對 |
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思瑤努力了这么久我们排除万难让文化部可以回归文化基本法得以设置文化发展基金文化发展基金一开始的规划是要有58亿要用于活化公共艺术壮大公共媒体以及强化文化发展但是让这个基金催生了以后我真的都觉得有点恨铁不成钢但我知道有难度 |
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可是基金被催生了可以被合法设置的排除跟财政纪律法的汉格可是我们看看原定是希望有58亿但是112年那时候刚上路的时候税入纸边2.5亿到现在审查115年度预算税入预算只有2.05亿也就是我们自己文化部队文化发展基金编列的预算没有雄心壮志我就是萎缩到剩下2亿左右的规模那我觉得怎么协助大家能够做 |
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我認為修法是一個方法當初我們試圖的希望在文化基本法24條提出修正草案我們匡列文化發展基金的裁員修法的方式幫助文化部在國家預算各部會都在爭取我們可以爭取到更豐沛的預算投注於文化發展基金活化使用Why not?文化部的修法的立場我現在沒有看到 |
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甚至我也建議李遠部長應當再善用行政院的文化發展匯報再把文化發展基金這一個得來不易的文化新的裁員好好的去請跨部會來支持裁員是什麼是重要的沒有定的話就沒有錢 |
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我們除了審查預算刪減預算凍結預算我立法委員我更要努力為文化部爭取預算這是我的第28案我的第29案就是我之前因為擔任幹部的關係我離開文化委員會兩年 |
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我轉戰司法法治委員會我深切的感受到司法法治委員會我可以督導的是考試院跟人事總處當我們希望能夠步步都是文化部落實文化主流化的思維我們就必須在公部門的每一個公務同仁他在受訓培育人才的時候都有文化的思維 |
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可是我赫然发现不管是在考试院的一些政策能力的训练培训或者是人事总处的所有的公部门的能力的提升都比较缺乏文化治理能力的课程 |
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这是我在司法法治委员会两年我所观察的所以回归文化基本法国家应自行或委托办理文化艺术专业及行政人员之培育训练请文化部要有更精进的作为当我问了考试院那个时候考试院的新任院长在接受我备询的时候他也非常支持那希望这个部分文化部来改进三十案 |
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针对博物馆是博物馆这个案吗对博物馆政策白皮书拖了一段时间我们终于上路了那博物馆我们如何为我们的博物馆增加裁员我们看看以法国罗浮宫的经验他们可以透过群众募资来作为博物馆替代性的财务工具而不是博物馆只能够靠门票来自筹或者是依赖国家的预算支持 |
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我要再说一次大家会发现思瑶在监督文化部门的预算我除了监督预算我更要想方设法争取国家的财源用在文化而在博物馆的面向如果能够学习国际的经验我们活化现在的法规以替代性财务的工具善用名利我们其实是可以去争取修法公益劝募条例让现在只能够被动接受外界捐款 |
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而不能主動發起捐募的這個綁死的文化部門的作為也許可以打開這是公益勸募條例的修法方向第二個我們進一步的來鼓勵民間捐贈文化除了實體的物件譬如說順天把整批的那個 |
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畫作捐給國家除了實體的文化物件藝術品更可以讓他的捐贈的金額來計入基本所得的課稅提升民間的捐贈意願 |
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所以我對於這個提案是希望對於公益勸募條例也好所得基本稅額條例也好文化部門對於爭取替代性裁員我這裡是針對博物館視覺藝術優先能不能夠來進行學習 |
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學學羅浮宮怎麼做最後一案好聘用人是聘用人員人士條例一樣的也就是這是我去司法法治委員會我獲得的新的學習當我在質詢考試院的院長他支不支持我們 |
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积极协调考试院跟文化部以文化专业人员为范围去推动文化人员聘任条例说了这么久从来没有进展以至于我们受限于现在的人事专业法律我们没有办法真的去扩大对文化专业人员的任用而现在国家的管社不管是从儿童未来馆漫画馆铁道博物园去这么多新的文化管社我们需要新的文化人才 |
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那麼在人事聘任條例要不要去制定它去優化它我得到考試院的立場是肯定的那這樣的話文化部我們就要積極動起來所以我的四個提案大家可以發現在增加文化裁員以及增加我們人事聘任的鬆綁這是我 |
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起心動念 還有增加人事鬆綁之餘現有的公務同仁如何讓他有文化思維這四個案都攸關我們綜合規劃重要的業務稍後請你們綜合回覆 謝謝陳佩玉委員 再來郭玉琴委員好 謝謝 再來羅志祥委員好 謝謝主席 有交過你 對不起對不起 等一下秀堡委員有舉手那就是陳佩玉委員 郭玉琴委員陳秀堡委員 再來羅志祥委員 |
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好,谢谢主席。这一幕我有三案,19、20、21。第一个我要提醒文化部,刚刚部长早上说文化部想要急着用很多的AI,那我们本来也在关注很多AI的问题,发现文化部可能对于AI有一些不同的理解跟想象,我觉得需要做一些沟通。 |
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第一个现在台湾急需要自己有繁体中文语料的这个语言模型但是我们知道发展语言模型其实非常的耗费成本不可能让文化部来做可是如何协助不同国家的语言模型如果他们希望有繁体中文的资料的时候到底文化部可以如何协助当然那之前我们开了座谈会谢谢CL委员也有一起参加在这个座谈会上其实我们找了不论是出版杂志广播影视新闻报纸 |
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大家都在說如何把繁中語料送上雲端在雲端上的台灣不要被消失這件事情文化部真的有其必要性跟角色我們也希望文化部可以更加積極那目前我們知道國科會已經承諾願意編列預算協助製作這些語料讓它變成是大語言模型可以讀取的可是這個部分 |
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国科会有提到也希望文化部自己要主动积极找业者去跟国科会对接这个部分我们会持续的监督希望文化部可以尽速有角色再来就是目前有很多创作比赛我们今天早上也讲到很多台湾本土的创作者不论在哪个面向但是目前所有文化部的补助或是征建都没有针对AI创作立出规范 |
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也就是说如果今天有个创作者他的写小说里面可能三分之一甚至超过二分之一是由AI来创作但是我们却没有办法辨识出来那这样的比赛还公平吗还是说文化部有没有可能考虑参考国外的经验确实现在也有一些是AI的比赛那我觉得要把非AI的创作跟AI的创作分开来这件事情我觉得对于创作者是比较公平的 |
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第三個我們看到文化部在去年的政令宣導圖文裡面自己也用AI做內容可是我們要提醒這件事情當文化部是主管所有的內容的主管機關的時候對於使用AI來做政令宣導這件事情文化部自己內部有沒有相關的規範 |
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甚至是对于所有的标案厂商有没有相关的审查跟把关机制相关的使用原则到底会是什么标示规范又是什么如果他不自己没有角色那我想所有的得标的厂商或者是补助的对象内容他们可能也就无上限的使用AI那我觉得这个会是一个对内容的折损哦 |
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第二个案子是二十案是关于文化统计其实台湾要发展文化对外当然是好事可是我们的基础资料其实在建构上真的还有待补强包含说目前的文化统计文化参与消费调查全国艺文活动资讯系统这些系统目前其实都没有对接起来 |
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所以包含文化幣怎么使用文化消费趋势是什么如果今天有所有的产业内容业者或者是所有想要发展新产业的人我们没有这些基本的资料我觉得其实是很可惜那另外如果从文化平权的角度如果没有这些资料我们也不知道谁被排除在外了那一旦没有办法知道谁被排除在外我们的文化平权政策就有可能打不到点所以这个部分也是要提醒文化部持续的加强最后一个21案 |
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有蛮多个案子但是我就简单的说包含有性平安的文化界人士都还是可以持续透过补助评审节目的机制参与公部门的计划我们希望文化部持续改进再来就是国家交响乐团从2002年改制以来其实跟国表艺三馆关系不明那如果没有相关的法规范我觉得对于国表艺中心或者是其他乐团的成员其实也都很不公平这个部分我们还是希望文化部可以持续精进 |
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好郭局委員 |
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好 這一幕當中其實有26萬那26萬這個我跟林慧琴委員那對於這個我要不這邊也有來說明就是針對這個偏鄉跟身心障礙還有新出名的文化禁用的一個問題那我想如果有提出就是書面報告的話那這個部分我們改組決議沒有問題 |
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我的部分是第36案我想文化部在推動文化產業淨零轉型的部分只是說淨零的指引還有綠色標章跟淨零的評估的指標它需要一個比較長期的完備跟後面一些媒合的機制來持續的推動 |
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那我想這已經是國際的一個趨勢那我們在這邊還是要多請這個文化部能夠說明一下就是目前這個近鄰的一個指標然後還有剛剛我所說的這些完備的一些機制那怎麼樣能夠讓它真正的一個落實在我們的文化產業當中來做一個發展那這個部分其實我沒有堅持那可以改組決議沒有問題好 以上陳秀巴委員 |
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谢谢主席在这一幕我有两个案子第一个案子是第27案27案的部分是关于文化发展之评估与推动对于这个艺文工作者的认定标准本席一直都在关心但文化部来说明的时候刚开始你们却觉得说 |
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基于创作跟职业自由译文工作者身份是以自我认定为原则无需经过他人审查或认可但是为什么要去认可去认定他的身份呢是因为希望我们给这些译文工作者有个保障那有保障的话我们必须透过译文工会协会来开始处理的话必须要有一个认可就是他确认他本身是译文工作者藉由译文工作的 |
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相關的工會、協會我們來與這些藝文工作者給予他們一些不管在工作上的協助甚至於是勞健保一個工作身份取得這樣子的一個基本的保障如果你沒有一個身份的認定沒有一個透過藝文工協會的介入來協助其實這些藝文工作者通常他們不管是在生活上、工作上或者是在勞健保的身份上 |
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比较没有办法取得那文化部你们有说你们在今年的一月份有办理座谈会及咨询会议会中整艺文领域的职业工会来产及产业工会代表然后会来做讨论出一个认定的模式比较有公信力那后续本席是希望文化部能够就 |
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對於如何研議如何制定認定標準呢這個部分來協助藝文工會協會就是從的可以有一個認定藝文工作者身份的這樣一個流程一個程序那這個部分等一下請我們5號部這邊再說明一下 |
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那第二个案子呢是第32案32案的部分呢主要是这个业务是我们关于文化活动资讯调查局统计有新闻指出呢中国文化渗透呢它是以媒体媒体公司担任中间的角色来办理网红竞赛那我们这边有网红去参赛之后呢 |
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19789.566 |
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他就邀請網紅撰寫美食啊旅遊啊這樣子包裝的節目讓我們去製作出來的節目呢讓我們一般的民眾以為說大陸他就是生活非常的愜意非常的輕鬆物價非常的便宜那沒有去提到說國際間國際新聞都有揭露到的大陸現在目前面對的高失業率啊低薪啊爛尾的這樣子 |
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19807.478 |
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19823.317 |
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所以其实这种比较片面的就是以美食旅游这样包装的节目让民众很难以了解中国现在他们所面对的这样的困境而对中国的生活有向往我觉得这样子是会混淆到我们自己 |
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19833.24 |
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對自己國家這個有認同這個動搖那這個部分呢我會提這個案子是要提醒文化部這邊你們對於這樣子的狀況呢應該要有一個相關的一個政策那文化部裡面有說明說現在有積極推動提升本土文化產業競建力這個方案那也會加強輔導國內影視文創內容那也支持公廣集團來產製 |
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19852.185 |
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19874.313 |
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比较独立多元的新闻及节目内容就是比较正向而且是真实面的报导那这边本席是要提醒文化部就是针对中国的文化渗透及文化统战我们还是要演绎相关的文化政策来提醒民众那这一题这个案子我可以改组决议那也希望说这个部分请你们一定要重视以上 |
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19876.537 |
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19894.27 |
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羅志強委員好的是案號38 治安的管理凍結2000萬但我現在願意改成主決議那查閱預算書發現這個114年度文化部的同一個項目資訊系統維護安全管理預算編列是8178萬1000元而今年編列預算 |
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19900.675 |
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19924.161 |
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增加了將近兩千萬元但預算的項目跟內容幾乎一樣文字沒變但是預算增加兩千萬我覺得這很難說服大眾那後來文化部也來說明說是有新增相關業務包括配合數位部來辦理相關計畫流量管理搬機房等等那這一點我能接受所以改成組決議但還是要強調一下 |
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19925.481 |
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19943.406 |
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政府部門編列預算提出預算需求的時候不應該過於隨意每一筆錢都是人民納稅錢那支持合理使用但預算編酬的原則就是要透明化說明清楚新增開銷的用途跟效果那不要說就是用複製貼上這樣子我覺得不夠嚴謹 以上好 請各位主管機關回覆委員所提之提問 |
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19956.384 |
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19979.877 |
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委員好 我大概做一個統一的回覆在次要委的部分針對大概幾個面向一個是裁員開拓的面向不管是這個文化發展基金會還是發展基金還是這個公益勸募就是讓博物館的部分變成可以接受公益的做法這個部分其實我們 |
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19981.377 |
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20001.11 |
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算是有在推動但的確進度很慢因為很困難就是像文化基金裡面我們在5G或者是無線頻率使用還有OTT平台課稅這個部分因為有其他的主管機關所以一直很難說讓他們同意說把那個費用納入我們的收入那至於讓這個博物館接受勸募的這一塊 |
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20001.63 |
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20029.449 |
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因為之前其實有做過協調那衛福部基本上仍然會怕影響大眾等等的不過那個部分如果博物館是用基金的方式或者是有基金會在後面的話那倒是可以接受這個捐款所以我們還是先用這個方法處理因為如果我們不這樣處理沒有公益勸募條例的開放的話我們就算有捐款也是要繳到國庫去也不能留在博物館中做使用那至於課程的部分我們就是跟人事處我們來做配合 |
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20051.581 |
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來做針對不管是文化基本法我們現在其實已經有的是跟語言相關的國家語言這一塊其實已經有提供一些課程但是在文化基本法跟所謂文化行政的這一塊我們來跟人事處人事總處來做合作來做這樣的發展那至於在這個人員聘任上的文化專業人員的人事聘任條例的部分我們來跟考試院協調因為我們 |
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20070.284 |
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最近正在跟考試院協談的比較是我們文化行政出國的部分因為我們在國外駐外的人員他因為沒有強迫的義務跟外交部不同所以我們一直在商量說這件事要怎麼解決那另外就是培育委員對於AI的部分有一些問題 |
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20094.643 |
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第一个在AI语料库的部分我们现在基本上在AI语料库的提供是跟书发部合作我们应该是所有提供资料里面的第一名就是我们现在已经提供超过百万笔的资料进入这个国家主权AI的这个语料库的训练那现在比较大的问题是出现在我们有些资料并没有拥有它的注入权所以在注入权授权上面现在有用这个 |
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20095.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
20116.317 |
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AI創新利用條例希望能夠克服這個著作權的問題但在沒有著作權疑慮的地方我們就是盡可能的提供希望用這個方式讓繁中的內容可以上到雲端那至於在AI的創作規範上這一題其實是高難度的議題我們大概有兩個處理方式第一個處理方式就是說我們很專注在真人的創作權 |
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20116.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
20139.985 |
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就基本上我們仍然只承認真人的壯鬥權AI我們到目前為止承認他站在輔導協助應用的立場而且他必須做揭示他在不揭示的情況下我們會認為那是那是一種詐騙所以我們未來甚至是可以把我們的獎冠的獎金追回等等那但是呢真正困難的事情是他如果有使用AI我們知不知道所以我們現在做的原因我們現在在做的一個案子是 |
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20140.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
20153.342 |
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如何用AI辨識AI就是說如果大家提進來的創作的作品它有使用AI在它沒有揭露的情況下文化部能不能夠辨識所以現在正在做這個方案的研議希望能透過辨識來做這個區分那至於協助AI成為這個文化內容的這個 |
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20159.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
20185.024 |
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工具之一这件事情的确有在进行但它还没有办法到说我们让创作人真人有一条这个讲经跟真文的路线然后让AI有一条因为整个AI对于著作权的影响跟对于创作权的这个比例跟成分这件事情我想在全世界都还没有办法发展出一套标准到目前来说我们要保障的是说即使利用AI它都不影响真人的 |
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20186.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
20189.652 |
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這個就業率不影響真人的薪資我們現在比較在做的是還在這個階段 |
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20191.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
20217.731 |
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那在這個郭一群委員在談到藝文工作者認定標準的這個部分這個部分我們現在的做法的確是跟工協會來合作原因是因為在已經發生的業務範圍裡面比如像出版業像影視業它只要有公司只要有受僱其實它就會進入所謂的藝文產業的工作那個部分的認定其實不太有問題現在有問題的會是出現在自由業的部分它可能是 |
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20218.411 |
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20233.889 |
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斜杠他可能是在业余的情况下从事译文创作那因为这在译文界是非常普遍的状态尤其在学校任职然后兼任译文创作所以他通常如果有另外一个职业身份他就会被另外一个职业身份认定只有纯粹的创作者 |
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| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
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通常他会在新秀跟起步的阶段的那个时候才会是这个认定上的困难那所以这个部分第一个我们就是缩小他的范围尽可能的让可被辨认的人被辨认出来受到劳动法的基本保障那针对不能辨认的部分我们再来跟工协会协商那如何让他变成是职业工会的内容然后过来那是那个秀把委员的不好意思 |
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20290.506 |
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中國的那個所謂內容統戰的部分內容統戰的部分我們現在除了剛剛委員提到的我們是增加本土的內容的產制以外我們能做到的現在的政策上是強化媒體識讀就是說在這些內容裡面它具有它的背後的統戰意義或者是它在媒體上其實很多的時候它的內容是有錯誤的其實是透過類似詐騙的手段讓大家誤認 |
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20314.558 |
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那這些媒體的能力是我要不在政策上可以做強化的大概是針對這些事情然後針對資訊的部分我想剛剛羅委員已經有跟羅委員做解釋所以這邊就不再多做新的說明那以上總和回答 謝謝好 目前我們我是第22啦 也改組決議胡校委員請說好 |
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还是请谢谢14次长的说明我请部长还是要强化督导我的四个案都涉及跨部会的协调请善用行政院文化汇报的机制进行有效的跨部会协调也请善用文化基本法 |
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20341.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
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现在要协调的跨部会就是主席总处 |
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20361.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
20385.053 |
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當然速發部也會搶預算5G市照的那個費用但是主計總處是我們文化匯報的當然成員我希望部長不要放棄努力我也會持續努力大家都在搶裁員文化不能輸然後在博物館的那個部分博物館放寬修法 |
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20386.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
20404.964 |
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跨部會的溝通有兩個部會一個當然是財政部財政部不想要給予優惠可是我們在運動產業也好其實在文化產業也逐步的能夠給予租稅的優惠我認為再加把勁跟財政部再溝通 |
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20421.898 |
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是有可能的然後我們在博物館的開放公益勸募另外一個影響的部會叫做衛福部衛福部會認為現在的勸募團體都給社福優先但同樣的文化部也應當優先嘛 |
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20447.108 |
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所以說在這個博物館的擴大裁員的部分我想衛福部跟財政部是我們要跨部會溝通的另外我兩個案對於人事的包括聘任人事人員人事條例考試院願意做也在草擬那我們就跟考試院一起來推進然後對於那個公務人力的訓練剛剛十四次講說了我們會跟人事總處來強化 |
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20449.089 |
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20468.527 |
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這四個案都是要跨部會所以我是非常的與眾心長這幾個案子大概都追蹤了五到十年我相信大家是有心要做有困難我們來排除那我四個案子再藉由我審預算提出我的提醒跟監督那我可以改組決議但我會持續監督 謝謝好 陳秀寶委員 |
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20493.164 |
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謝謝主席剛剛二十七案這個部分次長有回答但是我要強調一下說我這邊關心的主要就是這一些他本身他是自由工作者那他可能不屬於任何一個很可以直接認定的這樣所以他會沒有辦法取得一些相關的工協會的協助 |
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20514.135 |
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所以才要來協助他們認定他們的這些藝文工作者身份讓他們再取得一些政府的資源或者說一些譬如說我剛剛講的這個勞健保的身份的話這個是我們想要去協助他的那你們現在已經有開始慢慢在做就是跟相關的工協會座談跟諮詢了也希望說我們慢慢的就是把那個 |
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20531.866 |
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那個範圍慢慢可以縮小比較去就是對這些可以協助的部分我們慢慢來釐清那你剛剛這樣子的回覆呢我會希望說後續你們有什麼進度的話再給我報告那我這一案可以改組決議好我們現在處理 |
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20541.079 |
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20548.884 |
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綜合規劃提案案號19到40審查改為主決議19、22、23、24、25、27、28、29、30、31還有263、2、3、3、3、4、3、5、3、6、3、7、3、8、3、9出以上個案本目有沒有委員要提案簡列凍結 |
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20565.906 |
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20592.695 |
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沒有那我們就預算照列接著處理第三幕文化資源業務提案號第41案至53案但是呢只有13案喔所以請問是否就不要分解整幕一併處理好同意喔那我們就我看一下這樣子我們就是到41到53喔 |
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20602.51 |
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41到53好麻煩大家謝謝好OK那我們倒著來吳麗華委員謝謝主席在第三幕的部分我有兩案要說明第44案跟第51案那 |
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20639.135 |
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這個部分可以改為主決議不過我還是說明一下兩岸一起講因為兩岸一個是營造社區營造及村落文化發展那另外一個是地方創生文化事業發展那這兩岸其實最主要的原因都是在關心 |
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| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
20657.787 |
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援助民族的傳統建物的一個保存因為過去按照我們文化部文資局通常都必須要取得文資身份才有辦法進行下一階段的不論是人才培育或者是修復等等 |
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20677.755 |
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但是我覺得這個部分對原住民族來講因為我們的建物可能於是跟時間賽跑所以如果要依照那樣的程序就是曠日廢時緩不及急那很多都因為這樣子而流失所以我是覺得因為我們的這些傳統建物 |
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20708.209 |
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很多像是台湾鲁凯族的石板屋它是具备实际居住的功能而且它也保有我们台湾的一个建筑特色不过因为法令的一个没有办法支持技术没有办法支持经费的一个没有办法支持所以很多就流失所以在这个地方我看到 |
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20727.116 |
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一個是有原住民村落文化發展計畫另外一個是有文化部推動博物館與地方文化館發展計畫那我特別是想說雖然有這幾個計畫不具文資保存的可以尋這個途徑但是可能審查人員沒有概念 |
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所以即便透過這個去申請很多都被打回票所以我還是希望說如果這個計畫能夠多跟審查委員溝通那或者是我更希望的是必須要建立一個長期且穩定的補助跟傳習制度就這些沒有文資保存身份的這些傳統建物所以我特別提出這樣的一個預算提案 |
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那也希望能夠得到一個比較完整的書面報告那我這兩案都可以改為主決議 謝謝 |
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一位陳培育委員好 謝謝主席這一幕我有兩案第一個是47藝術家住村大家都知道其實藝術家住村現在在文化部橫跨兩個司一個是義發司第二個是文資司來看義發司主責什麼呢主要是負責民間的藝術村還有地方政府如果有住村計畫希望文化部給予補助還有協助整體的規劃 |
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文資司是負責管理公家博物館或者是文資的場所像是歷史建築如果一樣有住村業務就歸文資司可是如果講到現在這兩個司對於所謂住村藝術家的待遇我要說 |
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比起台湾相近的日韩我们真的是非常非常惊人的低例如说我们现在可能只补助少少少少的工作费甚至可能每个月提供不到一万块甚至还有一些是没有薪水的状况而在没有薪水的状况同时甚至还绑定艺术家不得离开该馆所一定的时间 |
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材料费交通费生活费要艺术家自掏腰包更不要说其他的行政协助而在这样的情况下我们甚至还要求艺术家要劳动出相关满意的艺术成果我会说这相当的不合理我觉得要嘛就是大家觉得住村艺术家的费用很高大家不想办那也就算了可是办了之后又给一个这么低薪的状况我觉得这是一个非常荒谬的现象如果来参考日韩 |
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相较台湾是比较近的国家他们可能会协助的有哪些提供住宿生活的必要津贴交通费来回机票创作媒材费甚至有一些还提供保险翻译创作咨询创作设备展览空间如果回到刚刚四要委员所说的很多博物馆其实有机会做劝募我认为我们很多公家博物馆或文资场所或是这些地方的驻村计划的场所如果在相关驻村艺术家计划推展之下 |
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经费有困难也许真的也可以变成一个券幕的主题所以我要说在裁员跟对于艺术家的态度跟想象的这个平衡之下如何发展出更好的艺术家驻村计划我觉得是文化部非常重要的业务进度我们也希望可以持续跟文化部对话 |
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再来53案是儿童未来管其实从筹备处开始到目前这几年我们知道其实筹备处已经办了14场儿童座谈会咨询会工作方式及可是目前我们看到都比较是单点单点性的或者是单向的场馆宣导可是对于 |
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国家儿童未来馆目前自己的发展定位跟愿景我们其实还是看不到一个比较具体的内容可是看着这个硬体建筑逐渐完成到底对博物馆的核心任务到底有哪些核心任务里面还要包含典藏还要包含跟社会沟通还有包含历史跟愿景的想象还有如何跟社区共融这件事情有太多太多的观点我们都一直看不到 |
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吳培委員 |
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好 這一幕我的提案是43 50跟52那我就就前兩岸來說明第一個是這個在質詢的時候我有很關切的百大文化基地這個我們是第一期舉辦那也很感謝在台北市的七個基地當中有三處是在我的選區中正萬華區所以我們就特別來關心說我們這個執行的幫助 |
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那我是还是有一点要提醒因为我们选这种这个基地以我的这个选区为例三个当中有一个是公立的一个就是市政府文化局的和辖下的一个是民间的像这个小剧场那有一个是OT像古岭街小剧场是算市立场馆但是民间团队在营运因为我们补助的经费是两年五十万嘛其实我看起来哦 |
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就是如果對於本市府文化局轄下場館來說其實兩年五十萬跟他們的業務經費比起來其實不算是一個就是說不算是一個非常大的幫助可能錦上添花但是對民間團隊來講兩年五十萬可能就是很大的幫助 |
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所以我还是希望说未来我们在选文化基地的时候可以就这个资源的投入也可以纳入评估对民间团体这可能是很大的一笔注意那第二个是我们的计划我们也希望说这个行政院很支持希望可以跟观光署可以来合作把文化基地也可以来去推广它的观光那这一点我觉得就要再多加强了 |
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因為我們文化部有一個文化地圖網站之前是很久都沒有更新最近開始在維護但是我們現在看起來我們這個觀光因為我們請地方政府要提出這個路線大部分的資訊都是在網站上面去呈現這個部分是不是 |
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交通部觀光署跟我們文化部的協作還要再多加強因為很像以我們台北市這些點都很好都真的很有觀光的潛力希望來多加強第二個50案是這個我們台灣建築文化中心這也是過去市要委員很關心支持的那我們現在未來希望活化的地點選的正好就是昭和樓那昭和樓是我過去我是這個文資的提報人 |
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當時我是提報人所以有關於昭和樓後來被審定為文資然後它後續的活化使用我真的非常關切所以本來一度有跟你們討論那現在既然已經選定是建築文化中心了我就希望說我們關於未來的規劃包含人力等等要提早來準備那這個部分未來是台博基金是主體但是如果有需要的資源也許文化部要來支持以上說明 謝謝再來陳秀白委員 |
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谢谢主席我在这边的案子是第46案46案的部分是博物馆事业推展的这个业务文化部辖下的博物馆许多场馆是免费的入场但是如果博物馆它是有特长的时候通常是另外需要收费那么如果是有育儿的家庭就是爸爸妈妈带着两个小孩三个小孩这样单次入场花费可能超过千元这也是一个蛮大的负担 |
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所以我這邊提這個案子是想要希望說文化部你們來研議對於育兒家庭是不是有更友善的一些相關的措施那除了票價之外就是也希望說我們在場館內會設置一些適合兒上使用的場域我們要有就是除了有友善育兒家庭的這個票價的方案之外我們 |
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在我们的设施就是儿童及亲子观众如果有这样子主要服务对象的展示空间比较有多感官互动的体验设施也会比较让家长愿意带孩子来参展来互动 |
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我們也透過這樣多元探索的方式來引導兒少學習所以這個部分呢我希望文化部能夠持續推廣設置友善兒童的這個空間而且我希望你們可以同整目前文化部想要下場館的這個所有的兒少設置設施的設置情況以及有一些場館可能在這項方面的設施比較缺乏的話未來你們規規劃設置的這個期程 |
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我想这个关于票价的 |
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就是有家裡面有小孩的這樣的家庭去做考量那這點請你們說明一下謝謝好 吳思耀委員 |
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好我有四個案很簡單的報告42案部長我會非常重視好多案都是博物館的事情是因為我們好不容易去年7月公告了博物館政策白皮書我都是針對這個白皮書裡頭的執行有沒有到位提出我的監督跟提醒42案就聚焦在依據國務館對不起ICOM國際博物館協會的 |
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世界各國都在做博物館的倫理規範那台灣目前唯一在做的我看到的是台南市立美術館 |
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他有从业人员的伦理守则那是我们的一个可以来学习的对象所以说我们辖下的这些管社都还没有相关的伦理守则的研议请部长来督促这是第42案那第45案呢也是提醒博物馆法2015年修到现在其实是11年了 |
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那刚刚讲的依据博物馆法要每四年提出博物馆政策白皮书但是我们都有所拖延还有我们必须依法来办理全国博物馆论坛上一次的全国博物馆论坛到现在已经七年了我也认为应当更进一步的跟博物馆界的专业人士文化人来对话所以这是我的提醒在第45案 |
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然後後面呢我第48案因為故宮的國保管它有一個很大的功能就是對於文資修復的跨管社的服務我也希望文化部能夠強化跟故宮善用這個故宮 |
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国保馆的硬体跟软体跟最新的技术一起来延伤建制一个国家级的文资收复及人才培育的基地这个一样我们应当跟故宫来合作那第49案就是台湾建筑博物馆或是建筑文化中心那已经推了10年我第一次质询是2017年到现在真的是10年了我知道大家都在努力我也开了 |
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幾十場會議最後的一里路不管是選址相對的明確了但是它運作的方式跟機制我們還是不放棄啦我也相信會做出很好的成績我最近跟一些國際的建築界的朋友互動他們都非常給予高度的期待所以我這四個案子我提出我的提醒那等一下看看大家有要並動嗎再做最後的處置 謝謝 |
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好 那委員都發言完畢 請主管機關回答 |
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有關武力保育員關心燕米文化及基地傳承這個部分我們會在我們公告的時候我們會繼續去輔導我們部落來做相關的申請那這部分我們會盡量來努力那關於百大基地其實我們跟公關署其實一直都密切的合作那包括其他部會包括環境部會 農業部會其實我們都一直經驗努力而且跟縣市政府也經營努力在做串聯做相關的行銷推廣讓百大基地能更容易被親近然後更容易被看到 |
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那陳憲保委員說的我們其實我們各博物館其實都基於在建構友善的兒童的一個設施包括科技的引入那至於票價友善的部分可能要針對不同的特產可能再去規劃相關的比較友善的一個家庭他票這個部分可能我們會陸續朝這個方向來做努力那有關於博物館包括我們的 |
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那個建築博物館也好或什麼其實這個部分我們其實都積極會配合台博館也好跟建築基金會來做相關的一個經費上的爭取跟努力接續者回應沒關係好不好還是都回應完了統一市長回答 |
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這麼多委員只有一個市長待會就不要再看我了你們就是一個部位自己轉交麥克風就直接回答好不好 |
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有關陳培育委員關心住村的部分的事情我們在住村的部分除了我們有要求民間團隊他們自己所經營的藝術村要提供基本的零用金的費用以及一些創作的費用之外我們在我們自己扶植的送我們的藝術家到國外的住村 |
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到國外的藝術村去駐村的時候我們給的藝術家的這個費用也會同步的去調整今年度會來提高一些些的經費那各館所提的駐村的計畫的部分因為各館他們對於駐村的性質以及辦理目的有的都不太一樣 |
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他們所提供的資源有的會是生活費有的會是創作材料費會有一點點不同為了維護藝術家的權益我們也有要求各館都要以國家級的定位來思考住村計畫所辦的宗旨跟他們的對象 |
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希望他們能夠定期檢視住村的這個條件之外有關徵選辦法與相關的配套措施也都希望他們能夠滾動式的調整那在這邊就是希望可以符合藝術家實際需求跟回應外界的期待謝謝委員的關心有關於第53案關於兒童博物館的部分 |
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我先報告簡單回答一下有關於那個典藏的部分我們是一個以非物件導向的一個博物館所以我們是規劃以教育取向的收藏所以未來我們會持續配合我們的展示的發展會開始做我們的收藏的部分那有關教育活動的部分我們未來會持續按照跟著我們的定位去做社會溝通跟觀眾理解跟使用者需求的需求最後在專業人員的部分 |
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確實已經有跟各大學的教育機構例如像清大的教育學院來做相關的合作的關係未來也就是在兒童發展的部分他會給我們很有力的支持所以謝謝委員的督促我們會持續的努力 謝謝好 我們現在處理 |
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我41案是改組決議啦那請委員提案要凍結多少還是要三列多少不好意思我稍微加快一些請大家就直接說那我的四個案我你們還是要補一些書面資料給我好嗎因為剛剛的回答實在是太簡略了我的四個案改組決議 |
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就是我的案子呢我希望你們我剛剛講的就是說你們相關的這個兒上設施設置情況以及你們未來規劃設置的這個部分要一份一份給我資料給我那我這份也可以改組決議好其他還沒改組決議的委員有意見嗎沒有意見要提案嗎沒關係啊你們提的 |
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好我們意見是照列然後其他案我們都個別改主決議謝謝主席好因為我們沒有提案我也改了主決議尊重其他委員那文化資源的業務提案號41到53審查結果改為主決議4142454648494451我4753 |
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改為主決議處理上四三跟五十我是凍結二十萬跟凍結十萬那我也改為主決議四三五十也改主決議好其他預算照列接著處理第四目文化創意產業發展業務提案案號第五十四到八十九案欸對不起你們要換位置我們休息五分鐘好不好謝謝 |
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先換到五分鐘還要去Bensco做的那些事情很久都該做了 |
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有些就是讓我們修法來幫助別人是跨部會的我們都把自己的空中那種做小的不知道啊,就要罵啊因為我怕他們是不是要刪,因為培餘培餘呢?公司嗎?怎麼樣?沒有,他說公司那個啊我在猜他們這次怎麼要刪啊他們是小公司那些都要刪公司的那個是哪一個提案啊? |
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你還好嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
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121就捍衛啊 不然怎麼辦就開幹了啊不然就又來開幹了啊就這樣亂亂的我們下午就讓博恩自己做的事我們下午都會放這個對啊 這個啊他自己知道他沒有我們121啊對啊他是對啊 簡烈 |
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裡面五千 凍結百分之三十 百分之三十六億左右 凍結百分之三十六億耶 六億耶 公視我看一下 你二十一億 你就凍結六億耶 |
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| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
谢谢大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
我跟部長溝通一下他們要三分之一耶 百分之三十好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
蕃茄 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
我跟他講了,天氣只有凍1000碗 |
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公式1,4,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1, |
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看他們是在二輪,二輪線下面,比較喜歡繩子對,對,對,不要刺激他們,對你看他們,真是瘋耶,怎麼辦啊?他就真的,你也不知道,他就比你更瘦,對,對,對 |
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8E你是堅持多少?她的比例太高,她是比20%跟1.5%我這也不用動了啦好啦,你們要贏那那是團圈啊大家啦 |
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我知道我知道好我們現在再繼續審理喔首先我先補充宣告41案到53案全數改為主決議預算照列接著我們處理第四目提案號54案到89案好請放下好請羅志祥委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
22277.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
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我的是68案 文策院的投資補助我先澄明我的立場我立場很簡單預算跟補助都是有排擠性的即便說今天透過國發院的投資也是有排擠性國發基金的投資也有排擠性一個案子我們看到 |
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文化部對於九把刀的電影功夫投資的補助為例這部電影同時獲得文化部114年度第二梯次國產電影國內行銷補助300萬 |
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113年度第一批次国产电影长片辅导金3500万113年度补助入围入选或国内外重要影展奖项电影片以及下一部电影片补助金1500万再加上文化部是由文策院执行的国发基金加强投资文化创意产业实施方案1亿070万 |
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光公開資訊這一部電影政府就給了超過1.5億元當然國發會的報告裡國發專門投資電影的文創專業他說這個投資其實最高拿到的 |
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就是1.5億元第二高的投資大概4000多萬也就是說連第一的一半都不到但是我們先不講說今天剛剛我們前面講的這件事情因為我直接說有些電影或是藝文團體你要爭取到今天文化部補助10萬20萬100萬都不容易啊你光光針對這部電影你丟政府就丟了1億5000萬 |
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| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
我覺得這是直接瓜分也去今天等於是剝奪了其他更需要甚至更有潛力也更可能創造優良的影視作品的團體他得到政府補助的機會所以 |
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22425.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
關鍵在於說這樣的一個情況你其實妨礙的是其他我們更嗷嗷待哺更需要幫助甚至更有潛力的影視文化團體所以這一件事情我覺得必須嚴肅處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
我們再回到今天功夫的這部電影票房是4693萬根據文化部上次我質詢的回答大概可以取回投資1000萬我不知道大家請說明1000萬拿到了沒啦拿到了沒啦 告訴我一下因為後面我還沒追蹤到 |
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22454.41 |
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可是根據國發會在113年的記報 接入公夫的10收資本額2.65億投資1億070萬 換算出出資比例38% 股注金加上就高達58%等於國家出錢幫他拍電影 |
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22465.154 |
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22480.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
拍出來的電影產虧也無需他承擔跟我們投資生化影視產業的內涵跟競爭我坦白講是不符合的那也對於補助更多新類導演的政策目標也是背道而馳 |
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| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
所以再加上國發會在文化部要求下已經不介入投資電影的相關資本跟收益等資訊我覺得你也背離了所謂的透明化的這件事情因此在這邊文策院執行國發基金文化投資 |
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22522.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
有幾個問題巨額預算沒有效果同樣的人反覆拿補助投資欠把關這樣的爭議今天我覺得文化部必須要深刻的檢討跟深刻的反省那因此在這邊我提案就是凍結20%但是剛剛跟這個部長有溝通過待會想聽一下部長怎麼回答這個問題我們待會看怎麼處理這個案子以上 |
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好 那這個待會我也要講了齁 這一案那我們先繼續依序往下 吳司教委 |
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好 謝謝主席這一科目我們在審議的是文化創意產業發展業務那我有五個提案但我都會聚焦在同樣的一個思維下就是如何有效的透過政策的導入讓所有的國人人人都是文化消費者我們都能夠讓文化生活成為台灣人民的日常我這五個 |
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都是扣合着这样子的一个思维我第一案是81案文化礼金我们当时投入催生在疫情期间上路了18岁每人一年1200点到后来又不断的扩大13到15岁600元现在全面的从115年要到13到22岁 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
22584.426 |
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22601.009 |
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所以說這是一個政府的德政總收益的人數可以到204萬的國人這就是讓我國家來支持人人有文化禮金文化幣人人都是文化消費者但是好的政策在執行上 |
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| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
我依据立法院预算中心的统计我不晓得文化部有没有自己的统计我认为我们文化币的使用我们要有自己的专业的统计这我是要求的但我目前没有看到我只能够采用立法院预算中心所统计的是大概这几年执行的经验会有大概51万人将近24.79%也就是四分之一的国人他并没有去领取文化币 |
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22636.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
非常的可惜所以说到底是不是有什么样的原因它是因为城乡落差吗 |
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22639.906 |
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推广不足吗或是我进一步去厘清目前的文化币比较着重是实体消费那有一些确实比较偏乡的地方它变成有币无电你有这个文化币它没有电可以消费如果你是在实体消费的面向上所以对文化币如何把这个德政能够扩大更多的人它可以更便利的 |
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更方便的在他的生活的领域都能够来支用我觉得这个需要检讨或者是评估文化币可以有特定的线上消费的功能可不可能这个请你们提出你们的检视这是第一案接下来第85案对不起我翻一下 |
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第85案那這85跟86其實都是我在司法法治委員會跨部會所觀察到的要給文化部提醒人人都是文化消費者我們從公部門先行公部門有哪些方法幫助大家有文化生活其實中央各機關員工文康活動就是一個方法 |
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| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
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但當我在監督人事總署的時候我發現我們的文康活動都是重康樂輕文化所以說我想這就是一個好的機會不要讓我們的公務體系在文化政策中是outside既然大家都去康樂了大家都很善用文康活動那可不可以多一點文化的選擇呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
所以說文化部應當也擴大跟人事總署在藝文欣賞文化體驗活動裡頭能夠納入大家的文康活動這我跟人事總署質詢過很多次他們都覺得很好很好很好但是不知道對接什麼哪些選項拜託文化部可以跨部會來溝通這是85案第86案一樣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
同样的思维扩大在国民旅游卡里头让国民旅游不会只是众观光亲文化亲艺文一样的逻辑可以操作我们对国民旅游卡里面合作的店家增设艺文展演图书出版或文化产业这是可行的 |
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所以这是我的第86案再来第87案我刚刚讲过了我们公务部门的这个员工这个叫做康乐活动再到我们的这个再到这个国民旅游卡我的87案再顺着我们讲到是企业企业都有职工福利金 |
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对不起这个是企业吗我看一下对不起这还是在我们的那个公务部门劳动界对不起我们的企业没有错我们的企业都有职工福利金依据职工福利金条例里头可以去鼓励公司行号各个企业组织设置职工福利委员会来办理职工福利的事项那同样的逻辑在文化消费是不够的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
所以這是在企業端如何讓職工福利委員會也有文化的思維好 再來88案又更擴大了就是企業的ESG如何讓更大規模的上市上櫃公司的永續發展現在確實依據UNESCO |
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| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
文化已經是ESG的另外第四支很重要的一支所以說之前施政榮先生就一直在提倡員工福利藝文禮券補助辦法我們是不是能夠文化部來鼓勵企業的福委會他們的福利委員會投入藝文消費你鼓勵他給予一些 |
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| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
稅務優惠的補助我認為這也是可行的所以我這幾個案子從公部門的康樂活動從私部門的員工福利國民旅遊卡 |
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都是過當的偏重在不能講過當比較偏重在觀光而親藝文所以五個項目我希望只要部長say yes大家有一個整合跟公部門的溝通跟私部門的協作我認為一定做得到這是所有的文化產業都非常期待的事情所以做出這個選項這個option我們提供了我相信就可以提振我們的文化消費好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
郭新委員這個部分我有四案就是67 82還有83 84那針對這個67案是這個空總他們當代文化實驗場域的第二期發展的一個計畫那我想文化部這邊也有來跟我做一些說明 |
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那目前所活化應用的這個比例上其實也有特別的更新那我有一些部分是還在古蹟修復的一些前置的作業可能還要再評估還要再進行當中所以這個部分我沒有特別的堅持那這個部分可以改組決議好那第80 |
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二案的部分就是藝文消費促進振興的這樣子的一個推動那我想也是跟剛剛司堯委員有特別提到這個文化幣的部分那我想文化幣已經是成為我們要這個鼓勵青年他們來參與這個藝文非常重要的一個政策的跟工具啦 |
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那也请文化部这边也说明一下目前这个文化币的领取率跟他们使用的一个成效有没有改善的一个状况那要如何的来持续强化跟店家的店家的一个管理那房币的一个机制还有宣传的一个推广那让青年能够愿意使用那让这个文化币能够发挥最大的一个效果那我想这就是大家比较关切的好那83跟84那83的部分是 |
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一樣也是文化幣那我想還有很多的這個應用的部分還有政策的效益上其實還有很多精進的一些空間那文化部這邊也有特別來做說明那我想可能還要再多納入更多元的一個 |
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文化幣可以來做使用的一些數位的內容還有文化上的一個體驗那這個部分我沒有特別堅持也可以改組決議那84案的一個部分就是關於青年席位的優惠的一個方案那我想這個青年席位的政策其實也有助於我們的青年在藝文活動參與的一個習慣 |
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那我想這個習慣的一個培養其實可能還是要長期而且是要有計劃性的那怎麼樣能夠讓目前大家在青年席位的一些成效跟這個售票的轉換的一個情形能夠有一個比較長期的一個效應這也是我比較關心的部分那等一下也可以請文化部這邊來做一下說明那這個部分我沒有特別的堅持好 以上 |
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陳秀寶委員謝謝主席在這邊我的案子是第六十四案六十四案是關於文化創意產業推動與輔導的業務根據2024台灣文化創意產業發展年報的資料顯示在創意生活產業廣播電視產業產品設計產業以及電影產業呢這些公司相關的這個營業額下滑的公司數呢都超過了50% |
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那这些产业呢文化部不知道有没有特别去留意并特别去了解说他们这是营业额下滑的原因其中广播电视产业以及电影产业文化部都有投入很多的资源在辅导以及在协助那有这样的情况发生是不是应该去了解说营业额下滑主要的原因在哪里还有我们也应该要持续的拓展 |
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国际市场来增加我国广电及电影产业的销售管道那我提这个案子主要是要提醒沃哈普就是说我们虽然有资源在投入在辅导但是相对的这些产业面临到的问题我们是不是有跟一些产业有保持密切的交流我们只是有资源去辅导他但是他们面对到什么有什么困境是我们没有理解到或是没有注意到的这个部分还是要跟相关的产业透过比较 |
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一些密切的交流了解過後我們才能夠針對他們的需求來提供那這個我提供金額是300萬我沒有堅持一定要動這個數額那等一下請文化部這邊說明一下好 劉書斌委員 |
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好 謝謝主席我的案子是第61案是針對文化創意產業的產業發展業務裡面的業務費那我主要是針對在今年的這個5月份的這個密室逃脫店的這個意外事件那最主要是涉及到沉浸式體驗產業它是屬於 |
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我們的文化創意產業發展條例裡面的一個項目但是呢它有一個很大的問題是據到前年他們的一個調查產業的調查是說他們沒有專法的管理那這個跨域整合的限制也都遇到了很大的困難發展那最主要的是呢把他們認為說他們事實上是個娛樂 |
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娛樂業但是就我們對於在一個沉浸式體驗產業來發展來看的話它本身是具備有很多的體裁的這種在地化跟有些歷史事件還有在地的台味的這種影視的劇集還有包括的是這種 |
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影視 音樂 劇場的這樣的一個結合的整合性的一種輸出它還具備了全球的競爭力但是就是因為目前我們跟文化部在詢問的結果他們的一個做法因為它涉及到的是在運用的部分它就有掛掛使用的場地的部分它在屬於都市計畫 |
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都市計劃法的部分包括處地的使用還在什麼D1還有屬於消防跟建管的部分都跟在現在的這種KTV或者是電影院的場合是一樣的大規模可是我們知道的這曾經是體驗產業它本身是屬於一個預約制當中比較小型的人人數可能是6到12人或是有時候當然會多一點但是都是實名制的 |
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在這樣的一個產業它變成說主管機關是文化部但是卻缺乏了就我們詢問之後卻缺乏了對於說它需要跟跨部會包括跟內政部建管的消防的這一些部分甚至還有在發展上面有關經濟部的這個發展上面 |
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並沒有一個整體的想要擔起文化部作為主管機關的一個責任因為給我們寫的這樣子建議是說建立產業自主管理做法然後強化業者風險控管及提升安全意識就是因為文化部他沒有 |
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準備要去做好對要去承擔這個跟跨部會協調的最主要責任那現在目前呢跟地方的聯絡上面呢是台北市可能有了但是在其他的21縣市上面其實還差得很遠所以我們希望是說我會 |
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目前我先等一下聽聽看文化部這邊的在第二次的一個意見回覆之後我們再看看是不是有一個更具體的要承擔一些這樣的一個主管機關尤其是對這個產業它的一個蓬勃發展很具備的台灣的一個文化創意的讓台味的一個產業它是不是也能夠提供就是說作為一個主管機關的一個承擔出來好 謝謝蔡村座委員 |
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大家好我有三個案子第一個案子是66案那個空腫的一個實驗場的一個計畫那空腫既有文化實驗、跨域創作跟藝術、科技及公共禁用的一個功能 |
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這不是不能支持但這個計畫還需要核定空間的使用力也要有一致的標準文化部應該要提出計畫來核定這樣的進度空間使用的資料還有閒置是如何弘化空間這樣的改善方案我們希望文化部能夠提出來這個案我是凍結500萬 |
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那第二個案是70案那70案是屬於文策院的一個政策文策院是政策的一個功績不是黑箱資金的水庫文化部若要繼續來支持文策院就要讓立法院能夠看得到錢投到哪裡去了那成果又如何 |
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是否是集中在少數的一個對象那這個補助的對象能夠更多元這個機會要公平那也要讓更多的藝人有機會能夠有政府的依靠這是我強調跟堅持的所以這個案我凍結了五千萬 |
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第三個案是文化幣這個我是相當支持但是文化部不能只說年輕人有使用還要說清楚 |
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是誰用得到那誰用不到那尤其呢是偏鄉的偏鄉的這些孩子呢他是不是能夠以公平原則來說他是不是真的用到了那如果用不到的話呢那我們要 |
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議員議員 |
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議員議員 |
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好 謝謝我這邊有第59案還有第75案59案是關於文化幣的部分其實剛剛非常多委員就提到文化幣如果按照四樣委員剛剛建議的那個數字將近四分之一的人是沒有領文化幣的那其實就回應到另外一個我們在文化部已經討論很多年就是文化幣到底可不可以買電子書 |
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甚至电子书里面其实不是只有我们一般读者在使用的电子书它可能还包含有声书还有无障碍版本的电子书这样的数位图书它甚至可以有利于不同的族群还有不同的身体状况的读者可以使用但是文化部确实对文化币可不可以 |
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购买电子书这件事情是有相关疑虑的你们的说法说会不会跑去买OTT平台音乐串流Spotify这种数位消费可是我想这个相关的争议应该还不会扩散到那里去因为文化币对于偏乡的读者 |
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或是偏向的年轻人在取用上或在使用上确实有困难那我认为逐步开放买电子书在文化币这件事情是有其意义的也拜托文化部持续考虑跟讨论那我们看到相关文化币的使用有六成文化币用在六都所以也就是说文化金融性这件事情确实是文化币以后在推广要持续注意的 |
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再来我还有提到目前文化部有一个文创园区的白皮书可是事实上是看到除了华山文创园区之外台中嘉义台南花莲这四个地方的文创园区状况其实越来越辛苦那不论是生活台湾生活美学基金会在招商上或者是 |
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到底是用什么样发包的状况其实看到每一个文创园区都没有办法吸引足够多的人走进去看展也好消费也好那所以我认为在各个文创园区的特色论述招商策略活动策划的方针都应该要重新检讨经营模式明明我们已经有白皮书了可是看到真的是美下玉矿哦 |
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再来就是空总台湾当代文化实验场第二期整体发展到现在为止已经第七年了可是一样看到有很多的困境这个一样要文化部持续努力再来75案是关于文策院我的提案第一个是关于影视作品虽然像部长说这几年在台湾票房越来越好 |
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可是背后的极高的职灾风险我们看到越来越辛苦那今年我们看到文化部跟劳动部在相关的新闻事件发生之后立刻公布了一个新闻稿说会加强安全管理包含影视制作如果来拿补助那也要把职案的机制纳入补助的规范 |
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那可是我會說這樣還不夠因為以我們辦公室來研究後發現文化部文策院加公共電視這三年來投資在影視產業的資金文策院跟公視各佔了百分之二十到二十五也就是其實很重的份量 |
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那相关的补助跟投资的内容除了规范之外如何协助业者在投资方跟劳方大家都可以有一个均衡的情况下把职安的现场的风险降到对职安标准拉高我觉得这才是从事影视产业人的福利 |
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接下來我要說國家圖書館從2019年每一年都有發布台灣閱讀風貌跟全民閱讀力針對圖書館的服務利用作為統計的標的可是我們一直有在提醒文化部因為文策院自己也有做出版產業的報告那文化部也好文策院也好或是國家圖書館其實你們手上都有相關閱讀的數據可是如果各行其事沒有一個統一的報告其實對於呈現台灣閱讀的風貌還是有 |
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有所偏頗跟我覺得有點可惜所以我這邊還是希望文策院跟國圖還有文化部可以合作完善出版報告好第四幕就以上到這邊謝謝好謝謝主席好我們先吳立華委員待會羅志祥委員 |
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謝謝主席在這一幕我有兩案一個是第71案一個是第80案那我也都可以改為主決議但是我希望可以得到比較好的書面回應那在71案跟大家一樣都很關心文策院 |
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因為文策院設立以來我們其實有很多美好的想像跟期待那我們特別希望它能夠整合國家的資源帶動我們的藝文產業化跟國際化那能夠帶領台灣的文化品牌走向全球的市場所以簡單來講就是希望它就是藝文的經紀人 |
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跟投資銀行然後幫台灣的好故事能夠找資金找國際買家做文化創意包裝能夠成為全球熱門商品那我個人是因為其實我們常常去接到一些陳情就是很多台灣的好故事像是原住民的故事等等但是他們就是很不主流 |
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特别需要很多的关注因为这些台湾在地的好故事其实我认为是非常值得走向国际所以这个部分常常觉得他们很辛苦所以我也希望说文策院在这个部分能够去主动的去积极的协助辅导这是我们的一个期待 |
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另外在第八十案就是大家關心的文化幣我們對文化幣其實大家都很支持覺得這是一個很棒的政策實施以來對象是逐年的擴大但是它的實際領取情形卻逐年的就是越來越多人沒有在領取我這個部分是特別支持的原因是因為 |
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其實很多原偏鄉的孩子處於弱勢文化不利地區的孩子有了這樣的一個文化幣他有機會去獲得家裡沒有辦法提供給他的這些藝文的 |
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消費那但是他到底是不是屬於這個不去領取的這個人我們一直好像也得不到一個實際的數據但是我個人認為是應該他們是反而獲得更多的機會可以出去獲得這些藝文消費那如果真的 |
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不領取的這些人絕大部分是來自於原偏鄉那有沒有可能其他的獲得的方式那甚至是看到有四分之一的人不領取有沒有可能有代用文化幣這樣的一個概念就是留給這一些實在是文化不利的地方的這一些對象讓他們有機會 |
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去獲得更多的一個文化幣所以這個部分就是希望得到一個清楚的書面報告那我就改成主決議 謝謝好 改成主決議 OK 羅志祥委員 |
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那個76案也是文化幣本來是凍結1%現在也同意改成主決議那剛剛前面都已經講過就是為了允許人數逐年增加那這個文化部的整個的做法應該要再重新檢討 |
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但是因為發放對象擴大但未領取率卻一直升高而且民眾的消費習慣逐漸朝線上發展所以我覺得文化部應該要謀取更多適當多元的藝文消費來 |
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達到振興藝文產業的效果所以本來提案是凍結預算1%但文化部有說明114年領取率下降是因為事辦13到15歲課領文化幣但該年齡層 |
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藝文消費習慣還沒有建立上代建立那16到22歲領取率與過去相當而開放電子書OTT影視英立位串流平台等數位型態的文化消費也涉及了整體資源配置產業影響這些議題還要一些通盤的一些準備所以同意改成組決議以上 |
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好 那我自己呢是60案那我想60案的論述呢其實大同小異啦都跟所有的委員很關心有關於文化成年禮金的常態化發放對象到13到22歲但是我想在這個立法院的預算評估指出啊這樣子的112年度從11.28未領取的人數那提升到114年8月24.79我認為不管 |
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文化部的說法那我們也看到現在青年文化的消費線上串流數位閱讀這個都有差異所以很少會有這樣子的一個鼓勵的補助結果越來越多人不領所以到底是你們的補助沒有吸引力還是實際跟不上大家的需求這部分你們真的要好好的檢討那這個部分我覺得大家都還算是可以 |
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一起探討一起精進但是我想有一件事情我要跟進我們羅志強委員那羅志強委員在68案大家所看到的就加強投資文化創意的產業實施方案 |
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不管是文策院所執行的國發基金在就委員所提到的那羅翔委員所提到這個公夫這個補助1.5億那他這個公夫的票房呢僅為4693萬這件事情這個我尊重委員的提案 |
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但是我要講的是這真的是蠻誇張的讓我也不能夠接受那不能夠接受哪裡呢我在加強這個論述請各位委員可以聽聽看在113年度的時候3月27號我就已經質詢過文化部投資都慘賠而且把國發基金當成是文化部的小金庫我當時所知很清楚在文策院國發基金相關的這些預算 |
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將投資項目 |
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預算金額還有績效一一列給我看不看沒事啊一看嚇一跳大家聽聽看首先當然啦兩個單位我問文化部文化部回答說投資的件數有99件文策院說68件我不知道文策院當時少了31件是跑到哪裡我有質詢但是後面的數據我才真的嚇一跳大家聽聽看喔我隨便舉幾個例子我當時所知道的 |
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當時整個文聚運利用國發基金來投資相關的電影事業產業我的麻吉四個鬼賠了823萬 |
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炸團圓賠了八百九十七萬流麻溝15號賠了九百九十七萬我的天堂城市賠了一千一百六十九萬山中森林這部電影賠了一千四百三十七萬 |
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他馬克老闆賠了1782萬1782萬賠還不是當時最多的那我想專案投資是文化部獨有的一個政策這沒有什麼不好我們一定支持我們一定支持我們的國片可是我真的很納悶有一句話常言道投資有賺有賠但每一案都慘賠啊 |
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這個真的是完全不合理啊所以怎麼會每個案子都慘賠的情況之下還越投越多我想這個真的部長要說清楚今天絕對不是針對功夫這一案而已是有血淋淋的這些潛力 |
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我還是再一次強調支持國片我們大家都願意你可以繼續投資但是面對每一部片都慘賠我們到底有什麼配套告訴我們的國人你的納稅錢我們沒有浪費這些後續的效益呢當時給我的回應就說沒有啦下檔沒多久有的還在驗證片有的還有一些時間給他們那後面的資料呢歡迎你補給我們我希望他賺錢 |
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我希望你們對於國片越多的支持但是只給錢是不是你們的政策有問題是不是應該要有其他的輔助另外 |
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當年度同一個質詢我也一直在強調我們現在文化部台灣現在的兒童節目的自治比例看到自治比例是8%全球排名是倒數耶台灣的小朋友基本上都是看兒童節目但是呢都在看玻璃碰碰舞baby shot這些都國外的節目那清一色要嘛就韓國的要嘛就是 |
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歐美的這些兒童節目但是我們自製率這麼低的當下台灣能不能有突破性兩年了或許你會告訴我8%變9% 9%變10%我希望我們的這些文化內容是不是應該要更迫切的好好精進錢花在刀口不要再這樣子浪費公帑而且台灣的自製兒童節目應該要更加的重視以上 |
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我們是不是請文化部回應 |
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謝謝大家指教我先回答文策院包括剛剛講到功夫還有很多電影都賠錢我來這邊趁這個機會稍微解釋一下當年那個文策院的成立其實是非常重要因為他投資文創然後他其實有個最大的目的就是引進這個民間資金共同投資那電影這個產業如果沒有政府的扶持的話基本上他是沒有人敢拍因為他是拍一部賠一部 |
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所以从开始投资投资公司投资基金到后来开始慢慢专案投资我必须承认专案投资的风险非常大所以讲到功夫我个人没有经历但是我想当年会这么 |
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花這麼多的錢投資功夫可能就是因為當時他們看好這個九把刀然後他曾經好幾部電影都賣了好幾億然後他想用這部電影作為一個台灣好久沒有的好久沒有的功夫片他具有一種開創性以上是我後來去查資料他們為什麼這樣願意投資他後來這個結果的確令人這個非常傻眼所以我個人在這邊代表這個文車院投資這個功夫 |
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這個慘賠喔我個人道歉像所有這個關心台灣隱私的還有這個納稅人道歉那我2024年5月來文化部2024年8月我向當時的國發基金主委劉主委爭取下一個100億第二個100億我跟他保證我們自己會看守這個100億然後我增加兩次的審查機會然後讓這個錢不要再 |
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發生剛才講的那個情況那要怎麼改變呢第一我們慢慢減少專案投資慢慢增加回到過去這種投資股份有限公司或者是投資基金增加投資基金這個基金就是國內外的基金最後這個基金也還是回來投資所有的文創產業然後 |
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經過這個短短的幾個月其實我們專案投資慢慢減少這個基金國內外基金跟公司的股份投資慢慢增加那我必須解釋一下我自己在文策院成立的時候就是評鑑委員的召集人連續兩次所以我有看到文策院的問題所以我特別請到我們的王十字次長去兼文策院的董事長 |
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並不是要去干預他是我看到問題很嚴重所以我希望請他去了解另外我也請到一個王敏慧院長來自我們台灣最大的會計師事務所那他在那邊的酬勞遠遠大過我們請他的酬勞就是我在這裡一方面道歉一方面也跟各位解釋說 |
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我們有很努力的開始重新面對所有的這個國發基金要如何投資國內的不同產業所以文社院已經七年了當年會宣布成立文社院是很想對台灣的文創產業產生這個預祝捲動民間 |
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這個資金那中間的屢次屢次的投資失敗也讓我們學會了慢慢用什麼方式是比較正確的我在這裡懇請大家這個預算不要把我砍太多看在我們改變的份上少砍一點事實上我們政院的預算也差不多剛剛好砍太多實在是無法經營 謝謝好 羅志強委員先說 |
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首先我要肯定部長因為面對過去的決策如果有疏忽勇於認錯就是改進的起點我剛剛一開始有說過不是衝著九把刀這部功夫而來而是因為那個補助實在金額太大以至於它發生的排擠效應侵奪了其他可能更好的影視作品星瑞導演 |
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他們能夠透過政府的扶持然後去創造出一個在國際舞台發光發熱的真正的所謂的好作品所以這部片不是因為這部片他如果是自己花自己掏腰包去拍片然後酒吧到自己賠自己的錢慘賠 |
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我一點意見都沒有但是今天用公帑的時候已經不只是用納稅人的錢而是因為這納稅錢編出來本來是要補助更多新類的導演更多有潛力的影視的團隊但是這個機會被剝奪了 |
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所以這邊我還是肯定這個部長願意針對過去的做法那表示歉意也同時提出了精進的辦法因此在這邊我就是把我的這個提案改為凍結一千萬元那希望能夠把相關的精進報告能夠提到我的辦公室來那這是我的一個調整 以上好 那因為 |
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提案是羅志祥委員我尊重他的提案的一個更正但 |
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對於部長願意承認錯誤我們還是一方面覺得難能可貴那也非常謝謝你願意去面對問題但我還是要講比較重的話就是我希望不只是道歉還要真正的精進辦法出來因為我剛剛調出來的是113年的質詢稿我在質詢的時候就已經多次列舉 |
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賠賠賠慘賠到現在已經115年了是透過這一部新的一部片又慘賠才願意來改善那這兩年我們到底改進了什麼我們到底能夠防範人民的納稅錢不要浪費到什麼沒有所以我覺得這兩年等於又是賠了人民的納稅錢所以這個部分 |
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我就現在我只能說我很勉強的接受但是我真的拜託我不是要您的道歉而已這個絕對不對我來說我沒有贏我要的是更精進的方案所以也請會後一定要讓我知道我也要所知相關的資料你們精進方案以上 |
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好 那我也表達我剛剛818586788我改組決議那剛剛是不是自產委員跟羅昭偉是就是確定是兩個文策院的案是並動一千萬嗎那部長可以接受嗎 |
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因為他這一個是他68案嘛那我前面我自己有60案那待會再一起談來那個蔡俊仁委員跟那個吳佩儀委員因為呢我的案子70案是跟羅委員是同案那我的我的部分呢就跟羅委員並動以上 |
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好 蔡蘇蘇委員講完然後那我們就吳佩儀委員 |
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好就是雖然我個人蠻喜歡功夫這部片我也是春風的粉絲但是我也認同說文策院在投資上面確實要有所調整所以我要再次提醒因為提醒過文策院很多次就是我們過去對音樂產業的投資是偏少而且是大量偏少的這個比例上面請文策院真的要整體的來去平衡跟衡量好這個是我也希望要列入今天的會議紀錄這個也要拜託部長 |
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好 那還有沒有委員有意見主席我的是59案跟75案就並動 謝謝好 委員所提的麻煩請幫忙一一的列下來我可以說一下嗎 |
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可以啊 可以可以好 謝謝主席因為我的案子是64那其實我覺得說我是肯定我們本身在這個業務上是大家都非常努力與認真那我這個案子我改組決議 謝謝好 那村州委員對不起對不起蘇冰委員再郭玉琴委員 |
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我想請問因為我剛才是遛61案可是還沒有聽到文化部的這個說明回覆是不是等一下會再處理那沒有只要你提出來我就會要求他回覆嘛OK我剛才有提問啊來麻煩61的要記得回覆不要沒回覆到再來給你時間準備一下村手委員 |
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那那個66案等一下請說明一下然後78案78案這一個呢可以改成組決議但是呢必須提供書面報告那66案呢不好意思是79案嗎79案對那個文化幣 |
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文化幣的部分可以改成組結議有關於有些書面需要改善的請送報告過來以上文化部需要提出各自治安跟文化禁用成效的報告 |
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那接下來我們現在要處理有關於54到89案那 |
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喔 對不起 對不起 61案 61案要說明還有 村長委員你說幾案沒說明66嗎66嗎好 66跟61麻煩請文化部說明 謝謝 |
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我先說明密西逃脫跟空總的事情就是劉素冰委員跟蔡俊強委員的詢問密西逃脫這件事是這樣事實上本來在這個產業裡面的場地跟職安其實是有既有的法規但是因為密西逃脫是一個新的模式形態所以現在我們 |
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文化部呢會找包括勞動部還有地方政府還有內政部我們會有一個類似像宣導會的功能把這個到底在密室逃脫裡面要遵循的一些相關規範主要是定型化契約的指引會提供出來讓大家知道說在這個新興的密室逃脫的模式裡面因為它是一個其實它的確是像委員說的它是採全實名制而且是小型它比電影的人次更少更能控制場域但是在這個 |
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模擬就是虛實交錯的情境裡面如何維持職安這件事情可能大家並不熟悉所以我們會跟勞動部一起然後會找地方政府來進行這樣子的協調跟宣導工作那另外空總的部分是空總的部分其實現在他已經修好的地方的利用率是很高的他幾乎已經修好的地方利用率都是百分之百都是一個空間很難求的那現在 |
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看到使用率还不好的地方是因为它基本上还没有进行完成古迹修复所以在这几个文创园区里面其实大家都面临类似的问题就是它一旦修好了之后现在大家看到的像华山这种就是它修好之后的利用状况那现在空总正在修复当中古迹大楼马上会在7月的部分完成修复那另外花莲的部分也大部分修好所以花莲文创园区也开始渐渐 |
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有更高的使用率跟更多的團體進駐那在家創的部分也會進入新的一波修復那主要是因為這些文創園區為什麼會交給文化部都是因為它是所謂的文資文化資產或者是它是一個歷史建物那基本上接收的時候第一動都是要先編公務預算先把它修復成堪用的狀態它才會有接下來的營運跟這個復興跟 |
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好 |
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好謝謝次長的說明但是我要說明我這個不是只有說密室逃脫這個是整個是屬於沉浸式的體驗產業它比較會複雜一點點因為如果只是密室逃脫比較簡單它有很多部分是屬於 |
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這個沉浸式就是他用到聚場啦讓人家去體驗那個效果是非常好對對所以你剛剛部長次長你所說這一部分我想要說要再去強調說他不是只有應該是比較多整體的部分而且他的產業在十年之間的成長的是從一億的這個產值可以賺到十億是很具有文化的競爭力的部分那這一部分 |
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呃我這邊就針對我的呃是凍結是兩千萬啦那我覺得因為要看這的確需要比較多的一個協商的部分啊那而且這人是值得去投資去關注這個產業啊而且他們就是因為文化部是主管機工所以想說比較負比較大的所以我會想說還凍結大概四百萬這樣子好有委員這樣從兩千萬到四百萬謝謝這樣子 |
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有委員提1000有委員提400喔好待會再討論要不要合併併動喔好我知道好還有沒有村委員 |
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好 針對那個66案那我們希望文化部能夠提出這個書面報告就是整個一個計畫的一個進度跟核定的內容還有空間使用跟閒置的改善還有使用人次跟公共禁用採購還有執行的期程都能夠自用跟企業承諾這個書面報告完之後呢那我就動輒一百萬 |
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好 一千四百一百要不要討論待會併動再一起說來 吳思耀委員對於處理預算我的建議是這樣因為志強委員有提村籌委員跟疏兵委員都有提各有不同的數額我覺得我們就取其高者 |
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就是這一整幕我們就凍結一千萬但是他們去協調這幾個該做的這個自己去著語調度我覺得就是給文化部一個很重的提醒啦並動一千萬我們就取其高者嘛那是不是真得大家的同意我個人是都改組決議好 因為委員提一千一千一千四百一百待會大家一起討論要不要並動 |
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所以我建議就是病棟取其高者嘛就是整幕病棟一千萬這樣子我是六十案啦齁那因為我六十案呢 只有一百啦齁 |
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是不是跟羅志祥委員協調一下我們是不是就把他給夾在一起可以嗎 |
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但是我講真的就是說我不是針對文化部你看我還特別為了你調出113年的質詢稿跟你講說這真的太過分了113年就虧到現在了這不是今年第一起虧啊虧好幾年了所以志強委員是不是再加個3001300 |
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一千三 我沒有說一千五 兩千 兩千五 |
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真的我是再次拜託可不可以這樣子處理啦我表達我的意見我真的覺得 |
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就是吳世耀委員齁如果我跟你同黨我一定覺得你真的超認真對你真的很努力在漢外就一千萬啦不同的政黨不是因為我們兩個人的藍綠之別而是我們站的角度不同因為您畢竟是執政黨在野黨的監督還是要非常的謹慎所以我們曲奇高啊就是一千萬啦 |
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請主席採取我懇求志強委員幫忙提升到一千三那如果志強委員看怎麼樣那個部長就是一千三百萬跟一千三一千一好不好就是他的一千加您的一百 |
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一千一一千三我這個真的欸 趙薇妳到底的案是一百捏啊妳現在變三百妳的提案是動一百捏志強委員會為了我改一千三啊他一千啊他會為了我改一千沒有啊 志強委員沒有他剛剛講了一千啊他如果沒有為了我改一千三那我就認了就沒有啊 就沒有啊好了好了 取其宗嘛一千二好了啦 可以啦 |
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那就一一五零了好不好一千三跟一千一也召委尊重啦一一五零了好不好可以啦一一五零啦真的文化預算很辛苦啦好謝謝啦一一五零好我們現場就一一五零了齁但是我還是要提醒文化部還有第二輪該逃的逃不過趕緊跟委員做一個解釋你們要怎麼精進如果在這段時間你們的精進方案沒有生出來 |
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我想不是只有我別的委員也不會輕易的放過這一個機會監督的機會而且是已經歷歷在目賠錢這麼誇張的慘賠所以委員的堅持會在第二輪再次出現 |
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不是不報只是時候未到所以今天我可以先退1150凍結但是麻煩你們第二輪之前請給予我們最慎重的一個更進更新方案謝謝好第54案到89案 |
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該委主決議五四五五六三六四六五六七六九七一七二七三七六七七七九八十八一八二八三八四八九八五八六八七八八除以上個案 |
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還有89案 寫上去那我們本幕合併凍結1150萬提出書面報告而且要經由委員同意才可以使得凍資現在處理第五幕影視流行音樂發展業務第一節提案號是90到118 |
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好好我想跟大家拜託一下我們休息五分鐘好不好不好意思謝謝我們待會從後發言 |
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好現在開會我們從90案到118案從後面開始那 |
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沒關係啊沒關係啊那個陳佩玉我原先好謝謝主席這邊我只有一案是125公共電視的案子那其中第一關於公共電視之前有一些問題都已經解決了那但是還有一個部分就是關於小公視的自治率我們當然知道逐年提升了我們都還是希望可以持續加油希望未來有越來越多的 |
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呃相關產業人士然後也有把這樣的節目送到小公視上那所以這個部分以來溝通後我們可以改組決議125案謝謝我陳培育委員提醒你一下不好意思那你的發言就基本超出範圍了但我們也會待會你可以這一案就不用講沒關係好我們是90到118啊你是125 |
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好就是我們一樣列入紀錄但是就是先跟你講OKOK因為我剛以為已經處理到後面沒關係沒關係謝謝謝謝好吳佩儀委員鄧愁委員好好 |
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我有兩個案第一個是102黃牛票的黃字案黃牛票的確是讓民眾很有感在文化消費的問題上我們希望文化部 |
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能夠做一個比較有魄力的一個改善不要只有先試那必須提出那個查緝平台合作還有那個制度的改善希望都能夠做到位那這個案子呢我是先凍結200萬 |
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那第二個案是108案那108案的是那個案內隱私基地的一個營運那隱私基地它最主要能夠使用能夠營運而且能夠帶動產業那不能變成了只蓋然後不營運 |
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那這個案子其實我個人是相當有興趣的我覺得這個也就是屬於地方創生的一環可以帶動地方的一個經濟的環容這個是我看好那也希望說能夠真正我們不要提出那個基地的使用招商還有製產還有違印成本的一個報告出來 |
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那這個呢等於我是凍結一千萬那我等一下先聽說明之後再來做處理還有不好意思還有 |
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好那另外一案呢是台灣plus不是不能夠支持啦但是呢在國際傳播還要看境外境外的一個觸及還有留存跟觀眾觀看跟那個轉換而不是說只有平台的存在那我們希望呢 |
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文化部能夠會同公視能夠提出一個很完整的一個績效報告那在天下雜誌的一個調查裡面也有說出說其實有2.6億次的一個影片觀看 |
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觀看有達到97%但是它的流量還有下載確實是不到兩成但是在這個地方我希望這個台灣Plus還是有他們的努力的空間那在國外呢事實上是牽涉 |
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台灣在那個國外是沒有那個聲音還有編輯是沒有被外國人看到的但在這個部分我們希望能夠加油那這一個我們也一樣先聽文化部的解釋我們再來處理那個經費 以上好 下一位 陳書若保委員 |
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謝謝主席 在這邊我有兩個案子第一個案子是第98案98案的部分就是關於影視音政策規劃補助與跨域整合我國的藝文工作者到中國發展後常常必須要配合中國政府的管制措施甚至會發表一些傷害我國民眾國家情感的言論 |
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我這邊提這個案子是希望說文化部這邊可以對我們相關的文化藝術講座規範進行檢討甚至我們來研議補助申請資格的限制及追討的機制來揮霍我國民眾之國家情感那文化部這邊有說明說產業界不會說 |
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为中国市场来调整产制内容也没有将中国市场列为是主要的收入来源但是它是一个会纳入潜在回收的规划那我国影视内容在中国发行及宣传上就只能由中国公司的主导我们很难介入销售方向的决定我也理解说这是产业难以掌握的因素但是这边还是要提醒文化部 |
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就是说我们画布补助的影视内容在中国宣传都要以矮化我国的方式来进行的话恐怕会对国际间传递错误的讯息因为我们台湾出产的影片我们为了到那边去上架上市结果它会变成是中国台北和中国台湾这样子在国际间我觉得我们的国际间的这个讯息也会是错误的 |
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也會讓我們的民眾質疑預算的使用是否合適所以我希望說文化部除了持續辦理拓展國際市場業務之外我們也去研議有不當言論的這個檢討機制那第114案的部分呢 |
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是关于发展国际数位传播和相关的业务近年旅友传出国际影视音平台收购影视音公司的这个消息显见在国际间不管是影视音平台或是影视音公司都是有合并壮大的这个趋势所以我提这个案子也是希望说文化部这边应该应用国际的这个影视音产业的变化滚动式的检讨我国影视音推广的措施 |
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文化部这边有说明说黑桥计划大量投入本土的内容产制也有透过文策院跟国内的电信合作组建影视基金来积极壮大影视的内容那在国际市场的开发部分呢希望文化部也要应该持续透过各种管道来协助影视产业销售我们本土优良的影视作品那等一下请文化部这边再说明一下目前国际市场你们开发的情形以上 |
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好 這個部分我是100跟106那第100案的部分文化部這邊已經有來跟我說明就是針對這個黃牛的這個案件的改善 |
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那已經有跟這個地方政府還有內政部還有這個售票的一些平台建立一些合作的機制那我想可能這個部分還要再更積極那麼包含就是防制的一些措施還有執行的一個效果那來保障這個民眾公平買票的權益還有整個所有的市場的一個機制那這個部分我沒有堅持本來是凍結80萬我可以改組決議 |
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好那第106的部分是籌建影視廳中心二期的一個場館那原本好像這個計畫其實有稍微的落後就是這樣子的一個進度那不過文化部也有來提到他們的一些說明那核定之後會加速這個推動的一些工程 |
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那我想這個二期的場館的修正計畫跟核定其實還蠻重要的因為還是有一些包含我們要確保這個典藏的空間還有就是相關的一個設施那也希望這個部分還是可以積極希望能夠如期的完成好 那這個部分我也可以改組決議好 以上好 吳思耀委員 |
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好謝謝主席本幕我有兩案我先講103案是接著剛剛有幾位委員關心黃牛票的查緝那我是非常具體的提出我們在文創就是我們的文創法文化創意產業發展法修法之後因為有法律的授權我們抓黃牛檢舉黃牛就有底氣有法律的支持所以檢舉案是海量的成長 |
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但是对应于调查的件数跟实质的地方政府的采取的件数却是比例上是偏低所以我去了解了问题的癥结又是一个跨部会的问题 |
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又是一個跨部會需要去協調的我就說文化會報是重要的報告部長我看到的困難當中是現在即便檢舉黃牛案但是我們需要去追查那個賬戶那追查賬戶的時候金管會卻不挺我們啊 |
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金管会他用银行法第48条第二项的客户保密的义务来阻却于我们文化部门可以去调阅查气这个账号持有人的资讯因为他说要保障个资 |
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那现在在银行法48条第二项里头它还有金管会的一个函文它是限制于司法监察税务等机关有调查权我觉得这就是跨部会的协调啊我们把对于查弃黄牛也作为一个重要的调查权需要伸张的事项我们来跟金管会沟通有何不可 |
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否则每当地方政府或是警政机关要帮忙查查的时候就卡在金管会这一个其实它还不是到法律层级它其实是一个韩文而已我觉得一定要硬起来否则我们有了法律的授权执法没有办法伸张居然是卡在跨部会的沟通我觉得这个让黄牛饭他们持续的猖狂我想这个大家都不乐见所以我的案是第103案哦 |
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另外第99案就是在影視影產業的支持在中國推出的會台政策之後很多影視界的人都站出來講話他們往中國套養殺之後呢先給甜頭 |
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然后引你上钩然后榨干你吃干妈净用完就丢已经很多人受害了所以文化部能做什么呢我们不能永远只是说反对就是那种道德劝说这种喊话不要进入中国市场这种自我审查不好除了这些之外更具体的建立起一个法律支援的系统 |
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帮助我们这些可能承担高风险当然前端预防提醒大家有这个风险的意识能不去就不去如果要去你要搞清楚跟你合作方到底是不是可信赖的合作方所以第一个预防机制第二个对于已经发生权益保障受损的这些隐世音的创造者如何创作者如何给予必要的法律支持 |
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那当然回到刚刚源头刚刚文策员很多委员在讲好像投入了一些投融资的补助好像国片大家可能没有赚钱我还是要说台湾的市场确实有它先天上的困难 |
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我一向不再以賺不賺錢來看這個投資的成效啦大家觀點不同但是我們還是從一個很深刻的從中國一再的放會台措施就是他知道很多人想要資金的輔助那台灣自己對於本土影視音的這種 |
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我覺得還是真的做得不夠啦這是很沉痛的一件事我也知道很難解決但請部長再責扯一下我們的影視相關單位跨部會的幫忙包括跟陸委會來協同這些承擔風險的影視創作者我覺得文化部責無旁貸所以我的兩個案子等一下請你們來回覆葛如君委員 |
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好 謝謝主席那本席在這個部分有一共有兩個提案那第94案是關於AI演員資料庫的議題那本席在5月7號的質詢的時候有向部長提出在AI影視化的浪潮之下我們結合AI資料庫的建立將必無可避那既然無法全面禁止我們就應該要避免藝文工作者在不平等的條件之下被迫簽訂不平等的 |
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臉啊 聲音啊 數位分身啊等等的這種不平等的授權合約那政府其實就要建立一套合法的授權而且可追蹤 可分認 可撤回 可集體談判的制度 |
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來保障藝文工作者的權益因此當時5月7號的時候本席在當場有提出要求文化部要趕快主動積極的邀集演藝人員工會配音人員工會等等相關的團體來開會 |
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其實我們當時提出算很早我們看到像中國大陸現在有非常多的這種盜用用低價的方式來使用人的臉或聲音有非常多的演藝人員本來有非常多的邀約而且現在沒有工作了台灣我們是一個民主的社會而且我們很科技我們怎麼樣來把這件事情做得更好 |
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這個是我們有動機的也是大家一致的方向所以當時我們就要求文化部去做一個這樣的一個會議來了解AI影視音產業的影響和他們共同研議我們到底怎麼做5月7號我們真的是非常非常早那我之所以要做的離部長比較近我就是要來感謝部長就是文化部我們要給予肯定就是說 |
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特别感谢李远部长本席当时所提出的意见部长不仅当场允诺而且已经逐步在实践了文化部在115年的6月4号邀集影视产业的制作AI技术经济公司台北市电影电视演艺职业工会台北市配音人员职业工会以及法律专家召开了我相信是非常有历史性意义的一个咨询会议 |
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就法律定位與個案授權的原則啊勞資雙方平衡的契約訴求啊以及台灣影視音資料庫和主權AI建制的提議等等多個面向來進行討論討論我們演藝人員的數位分身的授權以及其相關權益還有他的人權的一些議題 |
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那我想未來或許它會成為另外一種產業也是我們軟體造山運動說不定也是很重要的一環可能有AI分身有AI經濟甚至有AI演藝那怎麼樣在這個過程裡面讓我們演藝人員反而可以得到更大的未來的成長空間我相信我們做得到我相信文化部也會希望做得到那所以 |
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在這個部分的這個案子也希望未來持續文化部可以參採藝文工作者提出的各項建議本席也將持續追蹤後續辦理情形跟進度所以在第94案的預算這個部分由於文化部已經主動積極的與藝文工作者展開對話而且是在這麼有意義的一個日子 |
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6月4号这样的一个时间点我相信就是一个非常非常重要的展开有明确的办理进度我们已经理解到了那也发文让我们办公室有了解所以本席同意第94案就改为主决议另外还有一个很重要的刚刚也有许多委员提到的是本席有提第104案相关的主题就是关于防治黄牛的议题我想防治黄牛的议题是一个道与魔之争 |
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事实上摩高一尺道一定要高一丈那我们艺文表演的票券的这个实名制相关的议题真的很重要那目前文化部的补助方案是针对主办单位和售票平台的业者给予办理票券实名制所支出的临时人力费设备租借费以及场地的这个认证还有这个所谓的人的认证之类的费用但本席啊也希望能够在此提醒文化部啊 |
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黃牛票的防制,其實不是只是查臉、查人、看證件,黃牛其實是在用科學的技術,在破壞我們的藝文產業。那他用他的魔法,我們的魔法也不能輸啊。不能他用電燈,我們用蠟燭,那就不對了。 |
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事實上黃牛的這種做法我們如果只用抓的會抓不勝抓那單一的實體啊是用這個黃牛用一台電腦他去創建數千數萬個虛假的身份或者AI機器人的帳號 |
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某種程度啦算是惡意的去破壞或者入侵售票的系統去壟斷多數的票源那因此文化部所制定的實名制的補助要點如果我們還是只是在講個資在查身份我覺得可能會撞到一堵牆啦不管是個資的保護也好等等那這條路當然我們也可以不要放棄找犯法但是另外一條路我們真的可以做就是 |
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跟本土廠商的科技研發以及外國廠商的科技技術來合作一併納入這個補助跟研議的範圍可能才能夠真正的從源頭去杜絕黃牛用科技的手段去壟斷票源的事件那我舉個例子 |
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目前國外已經有廠商開發出像WorldID這種技術它不僅能夠在保護個資不流出個人隱私的情況之下用Zero Knowledge的方式零知識去證明購票者是一個人類而且是一個單一的人類他是唯一的人類 |
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以確保每位真正的人一位只能獲得一張票當然你系統上可以設定那在AI的時代能夠以科技技術去可靠的不侵犯隱私的情況之下去證明一個帳號的背後是真實而且唯一的人已經做得到了以前做不到現在已經做得到了而且成熟了 |
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那未來我們還要挑戰就用同樣類似的技術去辨別出人類授權的AI人類授權的小龍蝦因為未來現在黃牛用AI機器人在搶票可是未來我們每一個人都有合法的代理人難道我用AI去搶票我也要被擋嗎我也要被抓嗎我也要被罰嗎 |
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所以這種道魔之間的相鬥對方用的是科技我們絕對不能只用傳統的方式去做所以數位平台科學的技術需要文化部的努力跟支持所以本席透過預算提案的方式才是希望能夠來提醒文化部除了補助主辦單位 |
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和售票平台以外也應該研議編列預算去補助本土廠商對於實名制科技的研發應用以及平台業者和外國廠商已經應用起來的實名制科技或者人類驗證真人驗證的科技的技術相關去做合作那整體來講那因為這個議題真的太重要了但是我想 |
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這個科技的解決方案還是希望能夠在這裡提一下那但是預算的部分我想我們也有過交流那也希望文化部能夠參採那本席不堅持同意將本案改為主決議那也希望在未來有更多的交流跟積極的作為謝謝 |
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好 再來羅志祥委員好 我的提案是110案TimePlusTimePlus發展國際數位傳播的計畫它預算規模是相當宏大但是很抱歉 政策收效甚微引發各式的負面事件連召審計部 監察院 立委 立法院預算中心執政連媒體都報了有許多的問題 揭露出來 |
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那文化部從110年到113年的58億預算執行之後不但沒有積極改正的有效作為那續編並執行114到117年預算40億的過程仍然呈現自動改動 自行改動績效指標檢討問題不明 定位目標混亂 |
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这些政策执行不利的状态包括没有看到各种问题的自我介入检讨改善的作为跟平和而且到底我们台湾Plus它是要承担公共功能还是承担对外宣传如果是要能向国际传达台湾观点那台湾观点又是谁来决定台湾Plus执行到现在有几个问题第一个台湾Plus执行三年后审计部就报告 |
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观看来源仅集中亚洲与美洲APP下载人次远低于计划编列设定目标监察院的调查指出Termplus人力管控不佳离职率高编采失衡对于国内及国际新闻之选题标准 |
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差異顯著也曾發生新聞焦點失準的情形影響新聞的公信力而監察院調查每天早上選稿主持會議的是住在紐西蘭的顧問他沒有來過台灣不會講中文也看不懂中文 |
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不只是今天審計部跟監察院包括立法院預算中心也指出TaiwanPlus的網站瀏覽人數及APP下載案均未曾達標而文化部乾脆113年起就把APP下載數的績效指標撤掉也不見為盡改成比較容易達成的追蹤數去年罷免立委期間TaiwanPlus的主管 |
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反此種種我要特別提醒你會發現不是一個單位這樣講 |
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這Talent Plus也是算極大成了啦 蠻了不起的啦就是基本上四方炮火批評不斷你可以看到真的是也不容易啊那無論第一期跨年度預算 跟第二期跨年度預算執行至今文化部以及Talent Plus改錯檢討的能力我看不到啊 |
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空有高額預算空洞的期待文字並沒有辦法真正面對改革也看不到效果那不僅能維持數位內容經營能力不足社群影響力低落的現狀也增加很多的負面印象也嚴重背離計畫的初衷 |
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台灣帕斯從中央社到現在公視接手又來跟我說明我當然理解公視想要避免以前的錯誤但是問題是做到了嗎如果說今天只有單一的單位對這個台灣帕斯有意見那可能單一單位有所偏誤可是已經 |
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編了兩次跨年度預算就集滿了審計部、監察院、立委、立法院預算中心的滿滿的糾正跟檢討那客戶化公司來說明的時候表示台灣PARTS在國外露出有所進步但也坦言當初設定APE下來的時候KPI比較難達成 |
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不是刁難公司 我用這個現狀來比喻當初發展國際數位傳播計畫要推台灣Plus就是想得清楚了嗎 規劃好的預算嗎這樣的花錢方式對人民負責嗎總而言之 發展國際數位傳播計畫在預算計畫提出跟續編之初 |
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這個計畫就沒有說明清楚跟程序不符的質疑而後續執行又有許許多多的一些失誤所以我個人真的認為我們現在是不是應該要好好的想想看TimePlus的成效到底如何那我想待會聽完我們主管機關回答之後另外我要講 |
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即便這麼多問題 台灣Plus的錯還沒停下來等你們說明完 我再跟你們講後面還有很多一些奇怪的事情發生大家看主覽機關要怎麼去告訴大家已經被大家盯上了台灣Plus沒有改進 還不斷的捅褸子到底發生什麼事情 以上 |
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好 那我做最後一個齁那首先因為 也感謝吳斯耀委員剛剛有提到這個 段宇影片補助的部分啊 所以又我也想補充一下齁 60題啊 |
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60文化創意產業發展業務還是要再多念兩句我們文化部文化資產園區台中酒廠復興路台中酒廠有關於這一個部分我還是認為在我們的文化創意產業發展的一個業務還是有待精進 |
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那我希望我們會後部長應該跟我討論一下那個台中酒廠的這個資產園區的一個活化我認為還有待加強因為有關於台北文山還有高雄博鱷 |
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這一類的這個文化的產業園區台中還有很大的一個進步空間那我們也希望透過討論甚至有必要的話我可能會再辦考察實地的參訪我希望這個文山跟博鱷的部分的一個成功應該要再拉到台中也會有類似華山 |
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跟博鱷有這樣子的相關學習的一個空間我們一起來加強那90的部分我想影視影視及流行音樂的發展這又關係到現在雖然是在討論這一個項目的一個預算影視師 |
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那我想影視局啊也在辦理不管是涉及補助投資公共媒體一個重大場館我想這都是高度社會的檢視的一個預算項目那今天早上呢也為了這件事情也一直不斷的在吵就是我們在講108年補助到這個性侵毛小孩的這個音樂也都是在出自於這個項目所以我們都希望現在的審查標準計劃目的 |
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成果標示都應該要再好好的檢視因為早上我也提到部長也在講在質詢的過程也都回應說對於性侵毛小孩這個音樂拿回去再來做一個審查那評審是說沒有問題不會追回那尤其我上次質詢的時候也提到當事者創作者公開承認自己剽竊 |
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這個國外的相關的一些影音作品那沒有想到文化部竟然還幫他講說沒有啊你們認為沒有剽竊我覺得這也蠻特別的就是連創作者都自己說我自己是剽竊了那文化部竟然還說評審覺得沒有剽竊我覺得這樣子的一個說法讓全民沒辦法接受所以我們都希望這樣子的一個補助金額相關我們沒有要 |
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不准補助我們希望的是能夠更謹慎的補助更加強相關的審查標準以及後續的成果可以讓全民能夠接受所以再來就是我們台灣plus的一個國際傳播成效我想每一年我們都在講它的成效真的讓全民 |
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都沒辦法接受甚至很多的節目也有一些讓人家捏一把冷汗我覺得這個部分應該要好好的檢討我們也沒有看到實際的檢討所以現在又委員提出相關的一個問題再來就是黃牛的部分我有寫到我希望 |
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跨部会的一个合作目前看起来还是没有做到所以刚刚有其他委员也提到了很明确的黄牛问题没有办法处理我们要讲的是现在已经有法规但是实际有了检举但是没有实际开法的成果那导致黄牛根本没有办法降低民众对于黄牛的议题还是非常非常的不满意 |
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我覺得這個文化部責無旁貸我想我自己在最近也接到很多民眾對於黃牛的一些相關事件他們都覺得完全沒有改善所以被動式的在查案 |
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那被動式的在鼓勵廠商補助他們做實名制這樣子的一個效果有待精進是不是能夠改變新的策略或者是編列更大的一個預算數來補助廠商他們應該要多一點來使用實名制的部分也希望文化部應該要有一個精進的一個策略 |
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那最後我也要提醒這個文化部那講到這個售票機制我們相關的售票的一個系統平台雖然都是民間的但是文化部能不能夠協助因為優化這些售票平台 |
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或者是跟業者好好的溝通售票平台每次售票都當機甚至售票平台後續退票的機制都非常非常的時間拉很長延宕像最近我接到的檢舉案就是對於退票的機制它符合資格但是退票大概要14到30天 |
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那國際的一些相關的售票平台大概都是七天以內我覺得這個部分也有待文化部作為主管機關是不是能夠幫忙協助精進那跟業者多溝通這個部分我也希望文化部待會一併說明 以上好 有請部長 |
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影視是這邊先做初步的說明那針對一個各位委員其實都有關注到在黃牛防治的部分實際上在法規過了之後我們其實有跟地方政府還有相關的部會有持續在保持聯繫也從執行的過程當中持續在完備我們整個檢舉或者是在查處部分的機制 |
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那在我分两个面向来讲一个是关于委员关注的检举案的处理的部分实际上我们跟内政部警政署还有各地方政府其实都是有在做及时的沟通跟处理那其实也会提供相关的法律咨询服务让地方政府在整个采取的部分能够更加的迅速那刚刚有提到说其实任何检举案它其实需要去追查票的来源因为它毕竟涉及被采取人这是被检举人的一个权益他必须确认人别这件事情 |
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那其实跟金管会之间我们过去也曾经有过沟通后续也会依照委员的指示我们其实会持续的再跟他们去做一些讨论看在这个金管会这一边是不是有一些其他放宽的可能我们会持续讨论但是实际上在目前的查处过程当中其实除了金管会的账户就是银行账户之外 |
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其实我们也是跟售票平台这边都有在及时合作意思是说地方政府其实他可以用票号序号这一块去追查到最原始的一个购票人他其实是有多管道可以去做处理或者是在是手机的部分也可以试着去跟那个相关的单位去调到人别那这一下我们其实一直在跟地方政府了解他们在采储的时候需要的一些协助那也会跟其他的相关单位来做一些处理那包括说在 |
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黄牛房这其实一个是加价转售是一般的那其他有所谓的不振方式那不振方式其实售票平台在第一时间它其实一旦在热门演唱会开麦有任何异常情形它其实都会第一时间将相关的记录移送我们我们也就会立刻其实第一时间先行通报后面也会正式的来移送内政部警政署 |
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那另外在剛剛委員們提到的其他的精進方式我們其實有持續在努力包括在實名制的處理上面也會回應委員的意見其實現在售票平台大概我們其實大概定期都會跟他們做一些討論跟諮詢那他們其實也都有持續在精進他們因為畢竟現在是非常演唱會非常熱門的情況他們自己也都有在開發一些科技工具 |
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那來能夠提高他們的一個服務效率那接下來我們也會再關注一下業界的需求那我們來適時的看看能夠做什麼樣的協助那同時也跟我們有跟主要的場館還有主辦單位都會當我們知道有那個演唱會的訊息的時候其實我們會主動因為現在 |
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其實各國並沒有做強制實名制的這樣的規範但是我們其實也觀察市場的反應實名制其實在台灣來講是算是有效能夠稍微降低黃牛的情形所以我們有跟各大場館還有主辦單位我們都會在第一時間去跟他們做一些討論希望他們能夠採取實名制那場館也會配合我們就是在黨旗的協商上面其實會提供一些相關的方案來共同促進 |
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那同时间其实另外一个我们执行两年多来观察到的一个状况是其实现在国内有非常多的一些所谓的黄牛票的讯息它其实很大部分程度其实大概是会是所谓的诈骗讯息那这一下我们也透过了其打诈平台的一个处理还有跟社群平台之间的一些合作一旦我们发现有这些疑似特别的讯息的账号其实我们也都有建立了管道能够将资讯提供那希望是从这个各个面向能够来 |
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再强化我们在这个文创法十之一条通过之后的一个相关处置那刚刚主席有提到的关于退票这个部分我们其实也会如果有相关的讯息我们会再来跟主办单位还有收票平台做沟通因为主要可能会涉及一些消费争议有些部分可能需要尊重民间的一个处理方式 |
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那另外有委员提到关于案内的部分案内其实我们采取的其实是他当时也是回应影视的一个场景制作实景制作的一个需求而开始的一个计划那我们这两年来其实是采逐步建设建设加上制作服务并进的方式来持续的推进那当然各个委员也都会关心说是不是能够接续能够 |
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在完善整个影视基础服务之后能够外扩到其他地方的效应那这一项因为是由台南市政府在执行那它目前也我们也敬请他们大概从去年开始就要思考跟规划所谓的促餐的一个方式那他们现在也正在办理相关的促餐案当中我们会持续的来关注也会希望他们能够回应除了在回应影视服务需求之外能够也真正做到能够带动周边的一个效果 |
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那另外有几位委员有提到关于艺人就是有赴中国市场的这些的一个相关注意事项我们其实一直也都有在关注也委员们也都一直有在提醒我们那我们其实目前其实包括我们跟陆委会之间当然都一定是有一定的合作 |
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合作跟聯繫那我們後續還是會以強化風險提醒然後當然還有就是我們一貫以來其實是希望能夠透過強化我國影視內容的體質還有鼓勵去佈局全球這件事情來做一個加強那我們剛剛提到的如果相關的一些規範或要點我們也會滾動的持續來檢討跟檢視 |
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那另外也稍微回应一下就是在国际平台的部分我们大概是一直以来其实透过影视局还有我们一些相关的影视卜助资源大概都会从透过市场展的参与还有鼓励国际合资合致这一块来能够更大一点的来提增我们的国际影视作品的国际能见度那这个也会持续的在透过影视局还有文策院的共同努力我们会持续的在进行以上先简要说明 |
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好 我们继续 谢谢谢谢委员那个TimePass报告TimePass的绩效指标的部分事实上在那个根据最新的英国跟日本的报告显示就是官网还有APP的观众使用习惯是在持续下滑那社群媒体和OTT平台的使用习惯是持续在提高 |
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所以他們希望對焦國際的趨勢 觸達更多的國際觀眾善用納稅人的每一分錢所以我們在那個 |
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跨平台的影音观看次数的部分已经超过了4.8亿次跨平台的影音观看时数的部分超过1100万小时跨平台的总追踪人数超过180万当然这些还不够我们会持续的努力以上向委员报告谢谢好请任向委员 |
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我謝謝我們相關單位的說明我這邊直接講我一個具名的檢舉我想請教一下 這具名的檢舉當中台灣Plus的總編輯 請問現在人在哪裡啊現在在華府他從今年4月 我先講好啊他的職稱叫總編輯 總編輯 不是特派記者 |
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他从今年4月返回美国进行长达三个月的海外远距工作这据名简举信指出公事员工并无长达三个月远距海外工作的潜力正常公务员出差也就是最多两周那中间是不是涉及了职务特权的滥用 |
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檢舉人也指出台灣跟美國時差晝夜顛倒那總編輯實質管理時間大幅縮小也無法落實督導的職務我詢問過文化部你們有回答我你們證實總編輯曹育芬他的遠距工作時間是4月20號到7月10號沒錯吧 |
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所以我想總編輯現在當然還在美國我今天要講一件什麼事情非常有趣啊你知道監察院在對於台灣plus在提起所謂的檢討裡面有一樣東西是什麼本來指他的紐西蘭的顧問在海外來去主持編採會議他來去表達這個問題基本上跟現在的所謂的我們在新聞台的編輯的實務是不合的 |
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可是結果我們發現你現在可好了紐西蘭的顧問今天你把他拿掉了但是你請了一個到美國三個月遠距工作的總編輯那麼台灣Plus被炮轟之後 |
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結果大家都在盯著你改革結果你的改革第一件事你是總編輯去年七月上任今年就跑到美國三個月遠距工作去了我問文化部你們只說這是你們跟這個朝總編輯的所謂的簽訂的委任契約然後依照內部管理程序奉簽核准這回答跟沒回答差別在哪裡我看不太出來啦也是廢話一句 |
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然後另外我就要問那請問是誰排版簽准的那總編輯這個狀況是特例嗎那你也告訴我公視跟TimePlus有內部員工允許員工長期遠距海外工作特別還是總編輯那公廣集團跟中央社尤其像中央社 |
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中央社就是負責很多海外的新聞業務他也只有注點記者在海外工作啊中央社總編輯你可以想像他派到海外去做三個月的工作嗎可以去遠距工作嗎那請問這不是因人設施 什麼是因人設施 |
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人都在海外遠距工作你們回覆我辦公室說他遠距工作期間持續參與每日編產會議人事招募會議新節目籌備等等等等等等那還說是當前全球媒體實務管理的趨勢這叫善用通訊科技進行遠距辦公跟跨國任務調度這是常態 |
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我還是要跟你講 他叫總編輯啊 他叫總編輯啊 他不是注點記者有哪家台灣的媒體要參與每日編彩會議 人事招募會議 新節目籌備的總編輯接任沒多久就可以搬到美國去遠距離工作三個月 你講一個例子給我聽嘛除非只是證明這總編輯是花瓶沒有用 不需要他在這邊的意思嗎 |
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所以今天你為什麼所謂的善用通訊科技進行遠距辦公跟跨國任務調度那你怎麼不說他為什麼不在台灣常駐來處理每日編採然後善用通訊科技跟美國的單位協調你倒過來想啊所以每天都要開編採會議你不在台灣管理台媒有時差耶那我想請問是大家配合總編 |
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新聞能夠配合你的時差嗎跟美國單位洽接的業務反而不能視訊會議不能出差一週兩週然後一定要到遠距離工作三個月薪水多少17萬2190元跟次長的薪水一樣那我想請問次長我也可以跟你講啊像海外我們通訊工作這麼這麼容易次長就去美國工作三個月啊可以這樣做嗎 |
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可以這樣做嗎角色分工混淆不清喔所以我要說就剛剛前面講的台灣PASS都已經被監察院明確的檢討就是講紐西蘭顧問的事情對台灣社會脈絡掌握有限針對重大國際跟本土事件時出現判斷不一的標準然後身在紐西蘭的外籍顧問主導編採會議會影響判斷 |
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結果呢TimePlus對檢討員說你會檢討檢討是什麼不用這個外籍顧問然後呢 趕快把總編輯派到國外去這個是哪門子檢討今天不是說今天我提案坦白講我提案對TimePlus我是抱持著很大的期待的這麼多年下來只呈出這麼多問題再三說要改進也不是一個單位說你們有問題改進改進到最後結果 結果呢 |
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結果背道而馳啊所以在這邊本席為什麼今天的提案簡列2000萬元凍結50%就是希望我們台灣PLUS在大家都在盯著你的時候你自己總編輯還要去犯這樣的一個很奇怪的問題那請問你如何讓社會公眾對於台灣PLUS有信任度 以上 |
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好 我們部會要不要再回應一下 |
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謝謝委員曹副執行長今天總編輯他是他的遠距工作是他的申請是經過公式的程序還有規章上簽核可所以這個整個程序是合規他並沒有所謂的特權的問題然後 |
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曹副警长他有丰富的国际采访经验而且有国际人脉我们在今年二月的时候新任的新闻部经理就任就可以分摊他在常态性的一般编采新闻的处理所以我们希望 |
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Time Pass能够跨出去让我们的影响力还有我们的国际连结能够深化海外的一些网络这是我们最重要的目的所以他在这一次的远距工作是被赋予重大的工作那这些工作呢也都达成了一定的成效这是跟委员报告的谢谢 |
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我很快回應啦先不要講能不能說服我啦我覺得讓所有的我們所有的公眾因為今天反正是直播嘛大家聽聽看這個到底成不成這樣邏輯喔所有總編輯都派到海外去快一點啦可見每個新聞媒體的做法都有問題嘛只要你出去國際新聞中央市的總編輯第一個先派到海外去千萬不能待在台灣待在台灣就是獅子是這個意思嗎 |
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你今天把他任務做調整你在這邊主管所謂的總編輯台他就是今天整個的新聞業務最核心的整個台灣所有的編採業務是圍著他轉的就你告訴我最核心業務我分給別人經理來做我總編輯跑到國外三個月那你跟我講一句是因為內部簽合過了那你回答跟沒回答的差別到底在哪裡啊我看不出來啊 |
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所以這是我的案子 那如果說真的有意見的話就保留吧好 部長先回應一下 |
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關於那個台灣plus我覺得我來文化部之後整個了解台灣plus的那個他會形成台灣plus始終從中央社移到這個公共廣播集團他從頭到尾他的問題就是這個定位沒有很清楚原來想像中我們有一個頻道可以對國外發聲 |
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但是當你決定之後一下子沒有這麼多人才的時候就大量用了外籍記者短期的訓練那大家又覺得外籍記者會報導東西又跟台灣沒有關係所以在大家的 |
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指責下最近大量更換主管據我知道新聞部跟節目部都更換了經理那兩個經理我都認識就是公共電視原來的一些資深的記者離開公共電視再找回來我覺得曹育芬的問題我覺得 我用判斷 對不起也是因為在更換外籍主管的過程中 |
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他們大概找不太到合適的這個本國籍的編輯就屈就吧我覺得如果給我一點時間的話我真的很想去重新把台灣plus定位因為你要了解到當初在中央社做不下去又遇到公安集團公安集團好像也沒有辦法完全管到他因為他連上班都不在一起他的確是一個災難我必須承認那 |
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的確是個災難對那我覺得給我們一點時間我們再重新去了解這個組織我們可不可以透過組織的改變或者地位的改變徹底解決他的問題否則我們會一直繞在這個外籍的記者然後把他換掉40%又換回本國記者我覺得我們是在裡面一直繞我跟部長補充一下 |
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部長你剛剛說明,我現在還是要肯定你啦肯定你啦,就是你的用詞說真的還蠻直白的可是這新生一個問題嘛如果既然是災難一場,我都覺得我的提案算是客氣啦十億,我才減列兩千萬,已經是客氣了我覺得真的如果這個部分你做不好,先減列兩千萬主要是先給個警惕啦 |
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啊真的做不好,真的主管機關也要下定決心還要不要把這個公帑花在這個地方當然我只檢列兩千萬不是把預算全砍就代表說今天還是願意相信部長那部長再來去努力看看可是很好啊,部長你已經認知到過去做法就是定位不清造成的整個結構性的一些一連串的一些很多的失誤就夾在這裡面不過我還是跟 |
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跟部長說部長你也懂媒體非常懂媒體啦我不知道是不是我的嘗試不夠啊我真的是沒有看過一個總編輯可以外派三個月的我是真沒見過啦那總編輯的位置有多重要你也知道總編輯不能坐證台灣作為核心的骨幹這件事情我是不能理解啦 |
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好 我可以发言谢谢主席我想说到台湾Plus我们大家都有监督的职责确实它在表现不够达到我们原始的预期它的问题确实如部长所说的它的定位要明确 |
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否則恐怕未來都會面對到現在它整個失衡或者是方向不明的困境但我覺得我對於台灣Plus的督導跟期待 |
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这是一件事对于刚刚说的这一位编辑他是不是有长置在外的合理性我觉得那是另外一个问题部长应当去了解当然就我初见因为我不知道这一位我也是第一次听到罗元讲到作为一个像国际发声的平台他有派驻在外的需求去强化国际链接我听起来也没有觉得是不对 |
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但是他是不是长期置外那在置外的过程他的工作绩效的表现这是我比较在乎的那所以说我觉得部长去了解一下这显然您应当也没有了解读导到这一位编辑的工作状况但是我不会就我因为我目前没有完整的资讯 |
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我也真的覺得要向國際發聲有必要在國際間去串聯我基本上沒有覺得這不對我坦白講我沒有辦法判斷因為它是一個向國際發聲的平台我沒有辦法判斷那交給部長您去了解 |
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是不是在他的工作表現跟他的長期的工作服務的據點上是不是可以再做更合宜的調整我想羅委員也是提出這樣子的提醒我覺得這個個人的部分您當去了解但是對於台灣plus的長期以來真的在我們手上去建置的這個平台那個表現我也是一句話我覺得恨鐵不成鋼 |
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我即使是執政黨委員我也期待台灣plus能夠達到我們給預算給這個組織給使命的目標所以我們回到預算的處理齁我跟志強委員溝通商量一下齁您的提案是簡列兩千萬沒關係我先沒關係啦那我先我先表達一下因為這是兩千萬而且現在其實已經七月了啦其實他的動之實在是也是很大的那個 |
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我個人是覺得刪減部分凍結部分讓你們給警惕我個人提案我可以接受刪一千萬凍一千萬這是我的建議我也很想給台灣plus一點嚴格的監督所以刪一千萬凍一千萬是我個人好那看看大家的意見 |
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好 我先講我個人 因為當然還要尊重委員會 委員會還有其他委員剛剛文化部也來溝通 我先直接說啦今天剛剛部長非常直白地點TIME PLUS的問題這一點我是肯定的所以因此我個人可以接受剛剛文化部來跟我溝通的就是簡列一千跟所謂的凍結一千那希望部長你就做好你今天 |
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該改就改改不掉就停就這樣子真的沒辦法做就停損但是能改就好好改但是我先講是我個人喔那其他委員什麼意見讓其他委員繼續來表達 以上 |
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好 因為我剛剛沒有溝通剛好我們兩個 欸 居然想法是一樣我覺得我可以接受就是刪一千 動一千真的是給台灣PLUS拜託大家做出成績我們很期待我們給支持好 我也支持好 動一千 刪一千好 看看其他委員好 這個我補充發言因為你們就我沒有意見好 |
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我是印象很深刻啦台灣Plus絕對不是今天第一天講的啦上次省預算也為了這件事情吵很久啦我想大家勾起一下回憶啦台灣Plus的問題太多了所以之前部長還非常的努力捍衛那個預算那我想這一次第二次部長也覺得真的沒有那個臉再繼續捍衛 |
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可是我覺得這個部分我們真的要討論一下這真的實在是太誇張誇張到我覺得沒辦法跟人民交代所以我們先給村州委員 |
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其實我們對台灣Private真的是愛之深,責之切我這邊是凍結兩千萬跟羅偉宇一樣凍結一千萬希望我們文化部在這個部分要加油不要辜負都是台灣人民的納稅錢 |
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每一分錢我們都是要花在刀口上那請文化部在這一個部分確實是要做好一個改善的以上所以那個村長委員是那個併動1000不是1000加1000 |
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蔡委員是要動一千還動兩千 |
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他是要動一千合起來一千嗎阿所以我剛剛問他是不是一千加一千他說對啊對啊那我們先陳北宇委員沒關係因為他的發言你要尊重我剛剛問過人家嘛好不好再麻煩你 |
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好 那個我就附議一下吳小雯說的就是凍一千然後篩一千這樣那也謝謝部長有自己的想法跟說明啦那我是不是就也順便加碼就是之後的凍之是不是可以不需要經委員會同意是有交書面報告來就先可以了這樣好不好我就先提這個提議 謝謝吳小雯 |
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我们把预算处理我觉得要明确因为这一幕是包括影视音局很多项但是刚刚我们聚焦的是罗志强委员他很明确的提出台湾Plus的精进方案我们也支持所以删跟动其实我认为是针对台湾Plus不要误杀其他的影视音的业务啦所以我觉得应当是就是台湾Plus删一签又动一签这样好进口啦 |
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那第二件事情是我也附和一下刚刚培余委员所提的因为我像我自己从刚刚早上到现在每一案我提出监督然后经过说明那我多数是改成主决议可是我的主决议我个人我都是循我们过去的往历书面报告来时的动之书面报告来就可以动之后来我是刚刚突然才发现主席好像在宣读的时候才是的时候都是每一笔都是变成主决议都是变成要审查之后才能动之 |
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好我要跟主席做一下意見的交換今年度比較特別因為今年度我們現在在審的其實是就去年該審完的預算照理講已經年中了所以說如果今天主席對於所有的主決議您的才是第一個您的才是不是我個人的提案那我們可以溝通好我個人是認為書面報告就可以動之在這個當下這一年的預算要特別這樣處理是有原因的因為已經七月了 |
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如果說每一個案子主決議非常多每一案都要經過教育文化委員會同意審查再動之其實有一點它等於是實質的刪減因為已經剩下半年可以用了然後你半年之後每一個今天有幾百個案四百多個案我看改成主決議大概也超過四百案 |
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每一個案都要再送進教文會再審查 再同意 再通知那真的就是實質刪減了所以我請主席就是在您今天的財事的部分我們回到過去我們的慣例 |
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主決議它確實分兩種一種是專案報告之後時的動之那個是特別高level的可是今天大家經過討論之後都接受他們的說明所以像我覺得我的理解包括我自己的提案都是我改成主決議提出書面報告就可以動之這是我真的要懇請主席因為今年的狀況也特別不一樣要不然400多案我們來不及審它等於是實質的刪減 |
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這個事情姿勢體大主決議分兩種一種是要專案報告之後才能夠經同意分兩個層次嘛一個是專案報告或書面報告嘛一個是送來就可以動之或者是審查之後才可以動之嘛那我們今天多數都是書面報告之後使得動之這真的是要懇請主席要重新去恢復我們原始的主張 |
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就我的每一個案子我都是書面報告之後就可以動之否則真的是實質刪減因為現在已經二半我們下個會期也不可能也不可能全部光排這個四百多個案的審查再動之就年底了這個一定要跟主席做這樣子的說明所以您可以統合再中整把上面的這些主決議的案子再做一個清楚的釐清這懇請主席聽到我的這個建議 謝謝 |
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好首先因為有委員提出這個部分的需求所以我特別跟大家講解一下我們在這個裡面都很詳細的登記哪一些改成主決議那我都會正常都會在念除以上個案之外合併 |
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凍結凍結完依凍結的要求該凍結的要求要經書面報告經委員同意才可凍結這個是我早上的決議那所以不會有委員擔心的就是主決議案還要再提出書面報告以後再經由委員同意我們只針對 |
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被凍結的案所以不會有400多案這一個跟委員先做一個報告釐清不要誤會因為一有誤會的話大家就沒有再聚焦沒有我們凍結案哪有到幾百案 |
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我們先你算一下我們凍結案到底有幾百案嗎基本上今天最多的凍結案就早上那個六案八百而已啊那再來第二個要講的是我們當然知道已經到了年終了那已經有一些預算已經需要使用了可是問題是大家要特別知道今天凍結的 |
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都是幾億的預算凍結百萬凍結沒有到是過半的沒有到說直接會癱瘓部會的這一點也跟大家做一個特別報告那就我所了解目前可能凍結的案數大概可能因為是合併動合併動所以大概可能不到10案吧 |
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不到實案而已謝謝主席的說明那我覺得大家還是確認一下我想你很詳細我同意因為剛剛我們突然那我一定要說明好不好像我覺得台灣Plus這一個我可以認為要分層次嘛對不對專案報告或書面報告 |
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然后经同意之后使得动之或者是送来报告就可以动之其实它是四个层次嘛那我觉得我们这一案处理但我觉得之前的是不是都是我们正常的理解就是送书面报告就可以动之这今年的状况特殊我建议是这样那现在我们处理这一案那我同意 |
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台湾Plus是可以送来后经同意之后时的动之我同意这是给他非常高规格的严格的要求就这个案子因为台湾Plus对不起你说这一案要怎么样就是就这一案的冻结我同意是最高规格的要经审查同意才得动之这是最高规格我同意对但是之前的那些案我认为在这个 |
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大家討論的過程當中我的感受我是覺得送書面報告就可以動之好不好先做這樣的溝通我們現在計算出來我們早上大概凍結的是17個案子沒有到400案請您放心那再來第二個因為我主決議的話我們就確定就是經主決議的部分書面報告就可以使得動之 |
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但这17案不好意思我也已经做了宣告了就是要经书面报告委员同意才使得动之我不能再更改会议还没结束前是可以更改的因为我们真的没有注意到您的每一个宣读是这样没有大家一起讨论嘛 |
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我已經做宣告了就不能夠回頭會議還沒有結束啊我們即使在下一次會議確認議事錄都可以調整所以我們現在提出更正嘛你提出你的更正但不好意思那你要接受大家的意見啊我再提出更正啊你個人就說因為我早上已經宣告了有些委員都已經停拍了他們都已經有得到這樣子的一個他們希望能夠更謹慎的去面對這件事我們都坐在這裡審查 |
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17個案子我覺得也是會因為你真的就等於實質刪減了 |
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真的等於實質刪減了因為要送來報告還要再審查再同意即使是17個案子請問交委您要排幾次的會而且下個會期的交委是誰他要把他的時間我們不是專案報告使得動之我們是書面報告經委員同意所以他也不用到要排 |
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專案報告你需要排一個預算會議審查那些書面報告的案子另外跟委員報告我負責的部會基本上我們都是下這一個決議所以往前推的運動部跟國科會故宮其實蠻多都是這樣子的案例那因為今天我所理解我們文化部的案子被凍結的數是比教育部運動部都多 |
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所以從這個會議上我們要釐清這個處理我們非常理性在溝通喔因為文化部今天被凍結的17個比我們教育部比我們運動部都還要多案而且金額更高我們先確認數字好不好 |
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那這個案子就是一千啊剛剛講嘛 砍一千 動一千嘛但我是請您要處理之前的那十七個案子我們再確認一下大家共同的意見還沒散會之前都可以做處理還沒有散會之前對於主席的裁示有異議我們都可以提出來當然你可以提啊對 我們都可以 那個主席請採納我們的意見 |
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那也可以聽聽其他委員的 因為真的變成實質刪減了 報告章偉那真的變成實質刪減 因為今年的狀況特殊你還要下會期 再排案 再排審然後一案一案 17案 那你要開幾次會真的 真的文化預算得來不易 到現在都還沒有1%的國家政府總預算的比例這是我的意見 然後問您聽聽其他委員的意見 |
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好 我們就96先處理的話我還是要再提出說我剛剛看到羅志祥委員他是三一千 動一千那我自己的提案是90他110案是三一千 動一千那我自己的提案是90案我是動一千 |
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喔 動100 對不起 動100來 村州委員我再確認一下我剛剛那個是動1000萬動1000啊 動1000萬 對啦一直擔心說我1000萬加樓尾1000萬變2000萬不是吧 1000萬嘛沒關係 你只要講清楚就好但是我不怕你放回放我剛剛是真的問你是不是1000加1000你說對啊對啊 |
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好不好那你現在正式宣告好不好好那我就是我個人動一千萬病動嗎病動一千萬好大家文字還是要講清楚我個人動一千這個的話就沒有病動兩個字的話我們就是拉開分開談好不好 |
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我知道他後面補病動所以我提醒大家個人動跟病動要講清楚主席我的98案114案主決議改成主決議好把它登記起來那我就是我這邊100再加上去我個人動 |
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好 那現階段呢有刪除一千 減列一千 凍結一千一 潘委員有意見我們再確認一下 刪減一千 再凍一千是110案嘛 針對台灣plus嘛那召委另外額外再一百萬是針對尹世英這裡的凍結一百萬你們可以去調整嘛 對不對 是這樣子的嘛 |
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是啊 因為趙偉還是趙偉您的也是要針對台灣plus是別的案嘛那我要跟他分開來那就分開好那如果這樣釐清的話就針對台灣plus 刪一千 凍一千然後羅昭偉這個針對影視流行業發展業務凍結一百萬這樣那 |
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那剛剛台灣plus我覺得是經同意後時的動之我接受但其他的案子我希望就是書面報告就可以就回到我剛剛說的看其他委員的意見45億動100 |
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沒有大家支持支持文化嘛好不好手下已經留情了但是真的要給改善計劃但現階段你要我在那邊處理說書面報告就可以直接動之對不起我不接受 |
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因為我剛剛已經講得很清楚了每一年你補助的國片每一年你賠的錢賠823萬賠897萬賠997萬賠1169萬賠1437萬賠1782萬再加羅志祥委員今年度所提到的該影片又賠更多錢我們要的是精進計畫 |
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那你告訴我你書面報告一來就可以動那萬一我不同意你的經濟計畫呢那不是等於又打水漂對人民沒有辦法交代嘛 |
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那你提出更好的方案你明天提出來你六日提出來給我我都一定等待你但如果你要拖到半年後提出來那是你的權益嘛所以我每一次做決議的時候我都講不要因為被動一百萬覺得嫌錢少那你就不去想辦法跟我們借動稍微我現在在討論不是金額的多寡是今年的時間已經壓縮到過了半年了 |
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那您自己的這一案因為我們剛剛講的是那一千萬大家有共識嘛那昭緯的這個一百萬我尊重昭緯要動啊但我覺得需要就是整目那就書面報告室的動之還是昭緯也堅持他要審查才能動之對啊然後羅委員的是一百一 |
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一百零一百一啊對啊對啊所以我們是分開的啊對啊對啊他處理他那個部分台灣plus我處理影視音的部分好啊那他自己寫的人他的第幾案我看一下對啊就分開啊分開啊朝偉稍候一下哦朝偉的是第九十案嘛吼 |
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那我做我的九十案嘛,對不對? |
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好啦 那趙偉您的這一案您要專案報告時的動之沒有 書面報告經委員同意後動之好 那這個案現在開始大家都理解到我們等一下會勝出好 那這個趙偉有獎金45億動100 |
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不會貪玩文化部啦那我剛剛跟您請示的是之前那十幾案的處理呢我已經宣告了基本上其他的委員都離開了我想當時大家還是因為安心這樣子的一個宣告 |
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那我們大家文化部門大家就要知道你們等於今天的凍結案都是被實質刪減的意思如果您要說這是實質刪減的話我尊重你的言論自由但我剛剛講的第一它不是四百案第二十七案還減一案十七案還減一案因為我們在第一幕的時候 |
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主席這是我的意見我的提醒十七案總共是十七案我們是要經書面報告經委員同意使得動之因為我可以舉個例子嗎 |
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哎呀我觉得譬如说有很多如果要往前翻啦我不好意思我不是故意的啦我刚好拿到我手上翻到这一案像那个志强委员你的76案你自己写的就是书面报告就得动之我换言之说每一个委员在上面审查的每一个案子刚刚 |
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有的委員就是這是羅志強委員的案子他也寫提出書面報告就得動之可是主席您的從頭到尾17個案子您的才是都是要審查之後才能動之跟提出報告後就得動之是不一樣的那今天還沒有今天還沒有散會所以我才發現那我們的案子呢我們在跟您提出這樣的提醒我們是並動的是決議制的 |
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那我们坐在现场的委员都不是委员吗不是啊因为已经决议完了就不要回过头因为会议还没有结束啊在今天会议还没有结束里里头我们发现这样子您宣读上的跟我们的理解不同我们提出来讨论不行吗 |
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可以你可以討論後面的啊前面的已經宣告了那是您個人的宣告跟我們的理解不同啊我就代表這一次的早委我想這個經過團議的經過已經大家協商的來我先處理一下事情我們現在因為待會呢主席我是這個Echo笑因為剛剛笑說不好意思因為我要先處理事情好 |
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因為我們待會要給大家用餐喔那有需要便當的話可以來登記那我們今天的話呢是採登記制我們就不主動採買因為有些人不需要 |
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那我们不要浪费钱那有要登记便当的麻烦跟我们议事人员其实我们是建议就赶快审查吧但是刚刚是需要我们最后可以再处理那是你的言论自由有人血糖低有人要吃便当议事人员请我要宣告一下尊重一下好不好不需要为了一个便当在那边吵架吧所以我说大家登记制你有需要的话你记得来登记我们不要一次性才买这么多 |
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阿不然你要全部買嗎 現場全部買嗎阿如果沒吃有剩食怎麼辦好 要不然還是請委員提案不要登記誌也沒關係委員有要嗎我們趕快審啊 審完就不需要放飯了那就登記誌嘛好不好 不要我登記誌你也要有意見啊有意見你又不願意提出你的版本好 陳佩玉委員 謝謝 |
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因為我對訂便當沒有我覺得不要讓大家去登記訂便當真的我們加速審查那委員會可以採買一定的數量專委他們都很有經驗大概什麼樣的數量有需要的人可以去你要官員這裡去登記便當大家審這個很怪 |
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沒關係啊所以你提案嘛那有吳思耀委員提案不需要登記制那我們就請議事人員依照過往的經驗我們就直接採買依照吳思耀委員的一個意見我們繼續審查這是召委你很奇怪 |
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什麼時候你都覺得你可以才是現在又一無是有委員意見我只跟您提醒不要讓官員現在審預算好我不講便當的問題我想要趕快審預算好我趕快審預算好嗎我們趕快審查預算我們趕快審查預算我們趕快審查預算拜託不要這樣好不好陳備委員請發言 |
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好 因为刚刚这个是我提出来的那如果按照委员你刚刚说的那些不在的委员都说的话不能被推翻可是刚刚我志强委员也在嘛那现在在场的就是下午进到会场继续审查预算的吴佩玉委员 蔡春筹委员 秀宝 |
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預請委員、私下委員、志強委員還有我本人陳培委員也都在主席你也在那假設那些離開不論是去做什麼其他公務或者是有其他個人事務的委員他們如果對這件事情有任何意義我也不確定他們現在可不可以及時趕回來表達意見在我們今天散會之前所以我再建議我們剛剛那個提議可不可以先暫時保留 |
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如果到散會前再委員回來那我們可以再來討論但是我會先希望主席可以參考一下我跟斯堯委員剛剛那個建議好 謝謝就是書面報告就得動之好 那目前這樣數目OK啦那我們就來處理了處理什麼好好 那因為我們這一節 |
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我們還有下一個下一節啦我們整幕一起處理啦我們繼續往下討論改為主決議的有9194、9798、100、104、105、106、107、109、114、118還有我的99、99103主決議 謝謝9910399103還有陳佩玉的125 |
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主決議 謝謝125 主席 謝謝好 除以 99103125 改為主決議除以上各案我們繼續把這一個第五幕討論完第二節那整幕再一起來討論數字那第二節影視及流行音樂推動的輔導提案號是119-134 請繼續 |
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好 羅志強委員我的提案121 剛剛跟文化部已經有達成共識所以我就改為凍結1000萬以上其他委員還有意見嗎蔡春桐委員 吳佩儀委員 |
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我們是到第幾案的請問一下119到134我的提案是126 129那我就129來說明因為這個我真的要請這個公司來注意有沒有一個紀錄片真實邊緣這個內容是有關在這個影視行業這個性騷的這個內容 |
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但是公視在做社群行銷的時候在IG上面就二次剪輯了一個宣傳影片那這個剪輯的方式去除掉原本這個敘事的脈絡而且因為原片它是有一個虛實剪輯的手法所以呢它就是讓當中的一個被受訪者特別的被辨識然後被標注那也 |
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造成二次的傷害那這個個案之後呢我們紀錄片的從業人員職業工會有要求未來公視在做紀錄片的這個行銷就是你當你需要做二次剪輯的時候必須要有第一個是讓創作團隊要有知情權 |
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因為你們這個剪輯連導演都不知道沒有經由人家同意然後受訪者也不知道再來在合約裡面未來要有明確的規範所以這個我有提出一個凍結案這個我認為這個問題不是只是個案而已很嚴重所以紀錄片工會已經講了這不是第一次發生請你們務必務必 |
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未来不要再有这样子的错误因为这个影片我要告诉部长这个你们后来虽然下架可是这个造成受防者二次伤害的影片它已经有超过一千次的分享跟一千次的储存了 |
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導致於這個受訪者在真實生活當中走在路上開始有人會認出他來問他說你是不是有這樣子的經歷這個對他本人造成莫大的心理的負擔跟傷害所以這個我要拜託一下一定要來重視這個事情 |
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好 我有三個案子那首先呢 我先來談123案123案呢 是公視基金會的一個營運治理那公共媒體呢 它最重要是治理的穩定還有獨立運作跟行政中立那依公共正視法第13條公視基金會涉董事會及監察監察人會議它呢 這個 |
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這個應該這些人產生之後應該由行政院來提名提交審查委員會經全體委員會三分之二以上同意後並請行政院長能過來聘任在這裡我們希望就是說聘任了以後我們希望文化部部長能夠帶著這個名單來到立法院來做一個溝通那因為我們 |
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要求行政部門能夠提前來充分的溝通擬計跨黨派跟社會多元的共識確保公共媒體的治理不被任何單一政黨或是單一部會或是單一政治力量的壟斷所以在這裡我呼籲李部長能夠率先來建立這樣的一個制度 |
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那未來呢不管是哪一個政黨來執政的時候呢這個制度建立以後呢那以後呢就沒有再這麼多的意見我們就順著這個制度來走那這是我的看法這是123案然後 |
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然後132案是針對央廣國際傳播任務的一個重要但是國際傳播不能只靠編譯算必須來看到受狀還有平台跟轉型的一個成果所以我們希望文化部能夠提出完整的一個數位的轉型跟財務報告這個案子我是凍結300萬另外134案是國營中心保存的一個影視記憶值得 |
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是值得支持的那這個國營中心他負責的是視聽的一個等長修復數位化推廣公共交易的一個任務既有文化保存的一個必要性那在這裡呢我們也是支持的那這個案呢我是動三百萬那我們先聽說明之後呢我們再來結議以上報告好 國會新聞委員 |
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好 這個部分我是三個案子127、128跟131那在127的部分那還是支持這個台語台製的節目那包含戲劇、綜藝還有這個兒少跟藝文那我想這個台語台其實也肩負了非常重大的一個任務那 |
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王浩浦這邊其實也有來跟我做說明那這個部分我改組決議沒有問題那128的部分我想小公視其實我們都對它期待很多期待很深那我也從過去一直到現在其實都很注意這個小公視的一個狀況那尤其是我們就是 |
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自治的這個兒童節目我們知道其實要投入的資源很多那尤其是兒少相關的一個節目在自治的整個所有的過程不管目前還是幕後其實它比一般的節目更難製作那這個部分當然有精進的一個空間但我想這個小公視其實也很用力的在做然後那也很 |
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很努力的在往前推进这个部分要给予一些鼓励所以这个部分我就不坚持冻结也改组决议在131的部分有提到台语影视人才这个部分其实也有来跟我做一些说明我想之后就是这些人才他们进入业界 |
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的这个效果或者是直接在业界从事跟台语相关那么不管是在节目的制作或者是就是产学的一些合作那如果有后续更多的一些人才的追踪跟回馈的一些机制我想这个部分也请文化部这边也特别的来注意一下这个后续的一些影视发展的一个量能那这个部分也有跟我做说明这个部分我可以 |
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改組決議沒有問題那不用再經由什麼我同意然後直接改組決議然後有一些經驗的報告來就可以了好 以上好還有委員要提案嗎那我們現在就一起來處理 |
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不好意思他登記一下 等他寫寫一下好我們 |
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第119到134改為主決議的有119、122、124、125、127、128、131那你這個123還沒有做說明啊沒有啊 我知道我先把它改成主決議的先唸我的沒有唸你119、122、124、125、127、128、131、133那123的部分麻煩請文化部來回覆一下 |
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嗯 |
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那個關於委員這邊蔡委員這邊有提到的三個關注的案子之前其實在會前也有向委員的辦公室還有委員做過說明那關於公事的部分其實我們有在持續的努力那委員希望我們能夠多加 |
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溝通跟多家協調我們也繼續會持續努力的多家溝通協調那另外剛剛委員有提到對於央廣的數位轉型的部分我們在會前的時候有接同團隊去向委員這邊做一下說明委員其實很希望央廣能夠面對數位轉型的一個狀態能夠有一些新的作為跟做法那能夠增加一些自愁那這一項央廣這邊它其實是肩負了一個與一般商業媒體經營定位不同它其實是有一個 |
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一定的一个国际传播任务那这一项央广其实近年来也已经持续在针对因为其实国际广播形式的发展它有一些转变确实对于央广的一些在广播业务的拓展上造成了压力所以其实央广近年其实也针对短缩的情形他们也有持续的在例行各项的节流措施包括11世他央广其实有20种语言的这样子的团队优势他其实也会寻求国内民间企业的合作来争取跨平台的授权收益 |
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那我们也会增加委员的关注跟指示央广这边内部一定会在持续的去寻求各种可能开拓裁员的方式还有在整个广播人才跟国际传播任务的落实上面再继续努力那另外委员同时也询问到我们的行政法人也就是电影中心这一块那一样是希望说其实电影中心它其实有对于影视厅文化的推动的一个公共任务那希望影视厅中心能够更加的重视自己的 |
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不管是在会员人数的一个维持还有影厅上做因为其实影星一中心是有一个场馆在的希望它能够继续的在影厅上就绿的部分做努力那这一项除了会前说明的部分我们也中心这一块未来其实它的会员人数它其实是有一些边际效应的状况但是其实在过去到现在它也持续增加到了3000人以上那也会持续的在持续成长 |
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那其實會員還是要看年酌度他其實目前的基本會員年酌度其實也是這幾年也都維持的蠻好的就是基本會員943人進階會員2420人其實總共3000多人他大概這幾年能夠盡量的去維持這個年酌度讓這個會員人數不要往下掉 |
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其他的相關的工作包括權力盤點還有電影數位化的工作還有它的場館營運上座率的部分因為影星藝中心它位處新莊那其實它的電影其實主要會是以國片或者是藝術片的為主所以這一項他們會持續在努力增加它的放映內容來累積常態的觀眾那謝謝委員的一個支持我們會持續的再繼續努力謝謝 |
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好那經過你的一個解釋說明那132案跟134案那我就改為主決議那123案我還是為此動結議議員好謝謝 |
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好不是啊因為你們剛剛也很簡單的說明啊那既然沒有重視這個案子那我們就維持那個凍結一役啊好謝謝委員好那我們補充宣告126 129 132 134改為主決議那委員是 |
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好啊 那羅志祥先等等 先部長我想跟那個 |
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委員解釋一下公共廣播集團剛剛您提到公共廣播集團的董事的成立的方式是由行政院提名然後由各政黨推派按照政黨比例推派評審委員所以每一任的評審委員都不一樣 |
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那一屆的各政黨的政黨比喻來推薦那個公共人士然後表決以前是四分之三通過所以造成非常好幾次都要一千天才過了後來就修法要三分之二後來發現三分之二還是有問題因為只要有人不同意他就過不了 |
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所以這次有八位委員同時辭職以後我們全部的案子就停到原地然後其實我有努力去在選拔這個董事人選的時候 |
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有接受各界的建議所以你可以看到我們的那個委員名單基本上是代表各界各行各業並沒有政黨色彩所以我要溝通的就是大家都有一個誤會說哪一個政黨執政他就會推出他想要的人 |
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那我這次名單其實很很驚喜大家討厭而且大家可以看我的名單真的沒有政黨色彩那為什麼不要去經過那個政黨協商的原因就是如果這個例子一開以後會變成是以後公共電視的董事兩個政黨協商完畢以後就產生了那剛好就違背了原來最早講好是政黨協商後派評審委員來評審這個制度 |
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就是我還是要回到公共電視最初始的一個當年要設立這個制度這個遊戲規則的超然我想我只是尊重最早開始的那個制度以上跟您報告 謝謝 |
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特別拜託委員支持這個案子是因為我們目前的公視董事的候選有兩位是重要的體育選手那我們知道委員一直也很希望體育跟文化可以結合所以在這一次的提名裡面部長也特別提名了兩位體育選手所以非常希望委員可以支持我們不要動到一億因為這樣公視真的會很難運作謝謝 |
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對於龍珍市的人選我們都沒有意見有關於彭正敏、李志凱這兩位運動選手我都相當支持包括黃毅民這樣的一個在我們的意見裡相當有他的名氣這個部分我都沒有問題但是因為 |
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因為你看明天中選會就是要投票了中選會他也還是一樣到立法院來啊那我覺得是這個一直沒有辦法產生包括監察院都調查都提出了公視的董監延任案他也覺得呢應該要糾正這個行政部行政院跟文化部不能夠長期做事公視多屆董監事都來延任 |
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那沒有辦法來積極辦理有所謂的公共化專業化就沒有辦法來發揮它的影響力那我想說本黨很堅持就是說希望部長你能夠帶著這個名單到立法院來 |
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沒有什麼 沒有反對然後呢 我們的監委能夠再一次提名然後呢 來做這樣的趕快把這個公視的這個董監能夠產生讓公視能夠來很快的運作要不然呢 你看現在你編了21億但是呢 這董監是並沒有產生啊但是機會還是那麼多 |
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還是那麼多那這個運作我個人覺得就是有問題那在這個地方我是請部長能夠從善如柳考慮看看可以來到立法院跟大家做一個協調這樣子這是我們本黨堅持的一個立場跟村長委員補充說明一下我的理解沒有人比文化部 |
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跟公視更想要趕快組成新的董監事會他們是最想的因為新的董監事會的人事沒有抵定很多運作就很難順暢所以站在文化部的立場站在公視基金會的立場都希望能夠完成人事案 |
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那行政部文化部再提名的新一批的董監事的名單是早已經提出了現在反而是要請文化部有具體的請立法院趕快針對第八屆董監事的審查會要趕快組成啊 |
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反而是立法院的这一个审查会目前没有组成所以立法院自己的委员会没有组成就没有办法审查现在公示基金会已经送出来的新任董监事的名单所以其实现在的困境解铃还需吸铃人是在立法院的这个董监事审查委员会所以所想要要求的是要求我们立法院看党派 |
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的董監事人審查會要組成跟村層委員報告他們的公視該提名的名單已經送了已經提了所以五月份的時候五月五號文化部再一次行文給立法院趕快立法院各黨派組成這個審查委員會現在是卡在這裡所以他們其實是受害者啊 |
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公視的新院董監事會沒有辦法組成因為他們沒有辦法由審查委員會組成他們就沒有辦法審查他的董監事名單所以我們立法院是造成延宕的原因怎麼現在反過來要來凍結刪減公視基金會的預算 |
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我可以把这一份文给村层委员看这个是现在要问题是立法院要组成所以我是很恳切的跟村层委员报告我这个文可以给你看是你怀疑我们这里的这个审查会没有组成以至于他们没有把他们已经送出来的名单没有办法审查所以刚刚我们跟那个罗志强委员也也做了沟通那罗志强委员这个部分是提出一千万的冻结 |
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那我把具體的狀況跟串丑姐報告現在的難題是我們立法院沒有組成是我們在動啊我們在動人事現在在說不是不是對啊我們這個是立法院要組成審查會才能夠去審他們已經提出來的名單那他們已經提出來啦他們在等著這個委員會的組成不好意思無事要委員你又要糾民我嘛等一下等一下好不好 |
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我是說剛剛你已經協調好那個尊崇委員你要跟羅志強委員再求證一下他的訴求啦就是啊那個吳思耀委員你要教委員你要提供資訊給他你私下講不要拿麥克風講啦就是讓其他委員發言啦你要私底下提供資料你跟他私底下聊我的原則很簡單我跟文化部之間的協調那是我 |
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各別委員跟文化部的協調我並不要干涉影響到其他委員的提案所以不要拿我跟文化部的協調然後作為去說服其他委員的一個說法那這一點抱歉我不接受 以上 |
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好 村長委員那我們繼續維持原案嗎是 一千億一千億一億一億一億沒事沒事沒事我們委員他有時候要準備的事情比較多沒事沒事不予當你們嚇一跳啦你讓我們的精神都變好了謝謝你我們都很認真在傾聽你的聲音喔好 那這一幕我們來處理囉 |
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第五幕影視型流行音樂發展業務第二節我們從119到134那剛剛已經主決議的已經宣告了我就不講了那第五幕合併現在有兩個案子一個是動一千萬一個是動一億我們大家商量一下好嗎 |
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還有我的100還有您的100我的100因為我們要整體放在這一幕共同處理那等一下我先處理簡列的簡列的是第一節05發展國際數位傳播1000萬簡列 |
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好第二我們在處理凍結的時候呢那目前有確定的是其中包含第一節05發展國際數位傳播1000萬再加我的100萬1100萬那剛剛有委員提出1億123案我們尊重那是不是就一起加列在這裡面 |
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那我個人意見就是我支持前面的1000加100你們花了很多時間討論再請村首委員好好思索一下因為您剛提的要凍結的這個理由其實我們立法院是阻卻人家行使人事同意權目前是卡在這裡啦要去凍結公視基金會的預算我覺得這說不過去啦請村首委員可以理解 |
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那我是說如果文化部能夠就是到立法院來做一個協商然後我們再從各黨再連選出那個審查委員會來那這樣子就讓它順利的產生我的前提是希望這個公事能夠順利產生董監事我們不能政治介入這個我們是不能介入 |
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媒體公媒的董事選舉的我們不能帶著大家去來領法院拜會因為那就是政治介入因為黨政是退出媒體這個是法律所明定的所以我們是依照這個程序來執行所以沒有辦法執行這樣程序要請委員見諒因為這個就是依法律執行的結果那這樣子的話明天中情會為什麼要投票呢 |
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人事同意權是立法委員直接行使公共電視基金會的董監事是透過委員會來行使立法院不能夠政治間 |
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好現在開會好我們繼續處理這一幕那剛剛有委員有提議一千一百一億那我們繼續來處理那我們是不是就持續的推進了 |
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有委員提議我支持那個原本的1000加100的這個提案我支持這是我的意見我支持1000加100的這個提案 |
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好我付益一千好謝謝主席我付益這個一千加一百謝謝我想說你怎麼一直一直笑得很開心你現在你現在感冒好了就身體比較健康了我感冒還沒好謝謝還沒好謝謝主席關心你今天看起來很活力好我也付益一下就是一千加一百好那春秋委員 |
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那我的就是冻结一役啊好 继续冻结喔好来 罗志强委员 |
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我覺得關於公視董建勢嚴任的問題大概這邊已經辯論一百輪也差不多了那我也不想要再重複可是今天既然蔡英文委員有她的一個提案的堅持的話我表示尊重那沒有共識就保留宋協商也是一個選項 以上 |
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好 那是不是我們就照剛剛委員尊重委員的提案我們就一億一千一百萬的凍結有要嗎 |
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那既然那個樓委員這樣講了不然就是保羅送誰傷吧好那所以我們是不是就但是是哪一案我們是不是這一幕能處理還是處理掉好就是說1000加100可以先整目沒關係我知道了他的案子是跟志強委員是同一案嗎那你覺得可以再說嗎好不好這一幕就是凍結1100萬 |
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那他單項那一項保留送協商那可能有一點點再釐清一下主席的100是100那個案很清楚嘛對不對那志強委員但是我是整目病的那志強委員的那這樣子因為志強委員跟村長委員是同一個案子 |
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那還是說 這一幕 原則 就是說第九十案 第一百一十案然後村長委員是哪一案第一二三案 三案保留協商 其他就是照列 對 |
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等一下我討論一下因為妳很聰明我們要了解一下不是這不是聰明不聰明就是因為其他的幕其他案子不要受影響就是主席要動一百萬的九十案羅志強委員要動一千萬的一百一十案跟蔡選手委員要動一億的一百二十三案三案保留送協商就這三案那其他的 |
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這一幕的其他部分就大家都沒有意見改組決議的改組決議了嘛就應當是這樣啊這不是誰聰明不聰明這就是符合真實沒有我比較漢邦我了解一下你等一下好那你要稍微再改一下 |
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好來剛剛宣告的主決議我就不再宣告了那現在九十一二三一百一三案保留送協商處理商個案預算照列 |
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主席你的100要不然就動了就做成決議我們40億沒有沒有因為我現在看到您的標的是45億就是全部我現在看到您的提案的細項是你把45億都保留啊對啊因為我想說沒有沒有沒有我現在看到了你很聰明的提出建議我要接上你的聰明我剛剛很愚蠢我沒有看到您的大魔王45億在這裡所以說再釐清一下 |
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因為主席您的標的是動整個45億那我們剛剛討論了這麼久沒有沒有不是我提案我們現在在處理啊不要一直推給別人我們在一起做成一個共同的決議嘛因為主席您的標的是整目的預算45億那我們同意那你這一億就先動100先讓他通過 |
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然後另外把羅志強委員的110案跟那個蔡選手委員的123案然後志強委員這邊的是10億為本的嘛春籌委員的那一個是凍結1億嘛這樣有沒有錯你們文化部的同仁看一下是這樣嘛就是01嘛OK那您的大象要凍結100萬就先可以通過啊 |
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因為不能處理錯 處理錯會差天跟天跟地我們剛剛的討論就整組解決了 |
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那次長你有沒有再清楚說明一下顯然那個主席很懷疑我說的來次長你說一下他可能比較會聽就是依照剛剛的討論應該是主席的90案動100難得我跟他有一樣的意見難得我們兩個人有媒合同樣想法我看清楚我及早發現這兩案是保留協商對好請主席才是我想這樣才是剛剛符合大家的意見 |
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好 保留送協商一百一一二三本木合併檢列剛剛已經宣告完了喔那 欸那要還有檢列嗎 就不要啦因為你不是要協商對啊那本木處理商個案喔 這個我們凍結 合併凍結一百萬對啦 |
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就是這樣啊啊你不檢列啊你要他那一案有檢列的你要送保留協商啊因為要送協商所以就沒有檢列的問題對啊對對對主席非常的聰明很好啊不然我們要再檢列又要再送協商嗎沒有意見欸你是121還是110你是110吧110的不是已經有共識了解決了現在是我的121跟他的123喔好啦121也一起送協商啦 |
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所以你現在110不用送協商了好啦好啦好啦好啦好 重新宣告喔保留送協商的有121 123除以上個案我們簡列第一節05發展國際數位傳播1000萬然後凍結 |
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一千一百萬其中包含第一節05發展國際數位傳播一千萬提出書面報告經委員同意 使得動之 |
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對對對接著處理第六幕人文及出版業務提案案號是135到153只有19案所以請問是否就不要分解我們整幕一併處理啦有個意見啦解決剛剛一直都沒解決的意見羅志強委員算程序發言來來來 |
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因為剛剛一直在講說到底是不是書面報告要經同意後才能動之 動結案那我的建議是說因為主席前面已經宣告的就照主席的宣告那後面就照吳世耀委員的建議就說書面報告提出後就可以動之那前面他已經宣告就不要把宣告再改了我附議羅志祥委員的提議同意 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝羅志強委員感謝協商那也拜託我們現場的所有委員在對調位置之前我們等待一下好 拜託大家都可以協商但是也給我們一個機會大家提出自己的方案我們不要全贏也不要全輸共贏 |
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好來現在的案子大家注意聽135案到153案人文及出版業務請委員有提案的請舉手好謝謝我們從後面陳佩玉委員 |
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好謝謝主席我的編號138在講國家語言的部分主要是因為有非常多來申請國家語言的戲劇也好或相關的活動但是在活動戲劇表演當中其實真的使用國家語言例如說台語客家語尤其是台語的部分其實比例非常低 |
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那我们会觉得拿这个补助可是你在整体表演例如说30分钟的表演你可能只讲了5分钟不到那我们会觉得这个不符合相关的比例原则所以我们有提醒文化部要多加注意跟观察那再来就是国家语言的这件事情因为它不是只有台语有它的客语还有原住民语新住民语言这些都是如何去扩充这个使用的环境我认为文化部也是要积极的努力这个是138 |
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再来139文化部在部长上任之后办了经会奖那累积了这两年的经验我们其实有一些建议跟提醒我就不在这里赘述但是我要拜托文化部持续地把更多元更丰富的课程纳入经会奖当中我也举韩国为例当韩国在培养 |
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可以跨向全世界的绘本画家的时候他们不会只有教内容创作的课也不会只讲故事企划他们甚至会谈著作权谈印刷谈装针谈国内外市场趋势受众读众读者分析跨域行销或者是数位内容的创作课程也就是不会只有创作本身需要被理解这个部分文化部已经承诺未来会把更多种类的课程纳入绘本学校 |
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那接下来的是我们希望所有台湾的经会奖金 慢奖金 领奖金 点奖这些所谓的被国家的评审制度所选出来的好书都必须要纳入采购因为过去都非常的消极我们觉得很可惜文化部也承诺会积极的改进希望后续要持续精进再来141案当中我们主要是看到在市面上 |
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有非常多紙書跟電子書都直接可以找到是簡體字的中文書他沒有經過申請ISBM的過程他就直接出版上架到電子書採購平台或者是到一般的書店去當有很多讀者很多家長很多老師買來之後發現例如說跟孩子們教導在台灣叫教育部但在中國可能不是而這些出版社 |
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他們在出版這些書的時候完全沒有進行內容的轉譯就直接讓這些書進到台灣的兒童讀者面前目前文化部在這件事情的把關非常非常的消極甚至沒有相關的法源作為依據去協助當讀者看到這樣的書 |
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那目前文化部的機制是說跟業界講希望業界成立所謂的自律平台可是自律平台這件事情對於業界來說可能是那麼一回事可是對於讀者來說因為我們辦公室為例我們絕對收到超過十件以上這樣的陳情告訴我們在市面上賣的書在電子書平台上賣的書就直接是統戰的童書 |
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家长们老师们认为情何以堪但文化部依然至今没有作为就只叫业者成立自律平台这件事情我们真的没有办法接受我们已经开过三次的沟通会议文化部还是非常消极所以我还是要在这里提出强烈的监督要求 |
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今天我们可以改组决议但不代表文化部在这个议题上可以让步这个事情我要再次的强调接下来我们谈到关于图书的定价这件事情定价制度这件事情我们知道文化部已经在研议相关的法案我们希望后续的进度可以快速的推进 |
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還有再來楊雙子的書得獎之後其實大家開始想像有一個台灣的IP在其他的範圍可能性的擴張這個部分也要拜託文化部加油再來文化部推出的電子書計次借閱這件事情但是計次借閱有沒有影響到原來的電子書銷售也是我們所關心的我們還是希望文化部持續關注那在電子書計次借閱還有相關的機制我就不再贅述還有很多精進的空間 |
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再来我要帮林一锦文发言142跟146他在提到杨双子的书出版之后现在得了大奖那面对国际述说台湾的故事那现在甚至有英国的出版社在考虑要把杨双子的台湾漫游录的版本变成有食谱的跟有插图的那国际上有很多类似的案子例如说像丹布朗的书秘密中的秘密就以捷克为故事舞台那甚至掀起布拉格观光热 |
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那台灣竟然有這麼一部得獎的小說未來文化部如何在這個機制上發揮IP的多元跟應用就算文化部不是自己主責有沒有辦法透過委託案補助案或者是標案等等讓這個IP楊雙子這本書可以持續的發光發熱然後進而影響到更多台灣優秀的文學家作品可以因此被看見好 以上謝謝 |
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好 吳佩儀委員好 我的提案是145案主要是希望文化部針對台灣文學作品的外溢外溢裡面的權益本我們支持的比例希望可以提高那也是我們楊雙子的《台灣漫遊錄》這本書那前兩天文化部的部長才跟賴清德總統還有卓榮泰院長來共同表楊雙子以及這本書的音譽者金玲還有出版社所以大家都發現說外溢是讓台灣文學可以被世界看見非常重要一個管道 |
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不過呢文化部這一個目前BFT計畫這可以說是我們台灣圖書版權輸出最重要的一個計畫我看了一下我們每一年的選書當中文學及風雲璇類的這個六十本當中是權益本的比例不到三分之一以今年來說我們一月公告的這個 |
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补助就是全义本30本当中只有8本其他都是摘义本就是部分的翻译所以这个部分我还是要拜托文化部针对全义本的支持我想这个资源是很值得我们去投入的因为外国出版社其实对于全义本的出版他们兴趣会比较高希望我们可以能够更积极的来去支持让台湾的文学可以被世界看见以及读到我们这么精彩的文学谢谢 |
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好 蔡總統委員我的案是151案那我來做一個說明中央社基於世界國家通信社及公共新聞服務功能 |
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相關建築有其制度的一個必要性因為最近近年來營運短促住外成本還有新聞的產出人力的配置還有自儲收入及政府補助依存度 |
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都應該要受檢驗那文化部應該要提出公共任務成本的一個揭露還有財務的一個改善跟內容的一個績效的一個指標那這個案子我是凍結一千萬那等一下聽了說明之後我再來處理 以上好 下一位陳秀寶委員 |
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谢谢主席在这边我的案子是第137案及140案137案的部分是关于我们国家语言发展其实最近不是最近就最近起因为整个AI的发展很多国际科技公司的执行长频繁的来台 |
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那其實在新聞的影片當中我們都可以看到他們其實很多時候是用台語在交談也引發就是說很多民眾對這個台語使用的熱潮也會覺得說因為他們旅居在外的在外發展的其實他們回到國內甚至說其實他們平常在討論的時候用到台語的機率是非常的高 |
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那因為這樣子的形成一個台語的熱潮的話本席也希望文化部應該思考如何藉著這個風潮來推廣台語的使用那文化部這邊也要來說明說目前有辦理培育台語家庭的計畫今年預計辦三場的拼台語巡迴展也會邀請多位青年創作者來分享台語學習本席覺得說文化部是國家語言保存的主管是一個應該定定目標來提升台語的使用度 |
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針對不同的年齡層不同的族群不同的使用者我們來訂不一樣的目標而且不一樣的這個就是我們不同的目標不同的提升的標準那來作為我們推動台語附贈計劃的這個參考那我再呼應一下剛才裴委員所講的就是關於這個簡體字版的童書其實 |
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之前我是质询教育部的时候有问过就很多幼儿书不管是在教笔顺的笔画的认图的认字的图卡那其实我们要找繁体字的版本很少很难找但是网路上很容易就可以买到简体字的这个版本那 |
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我当时有请教育部这边也是去就是来推广就是有这样子的出版社愿意来出版这样的童书提供给我们的孩子来使用但是好像这个是不是因为它不是没有市场那到底为什么我们没有去发展出来就是这样子繁体制的我们的童书来让家长买给孩子使用孩子阅读是不是说我们文化部这边也要来 |
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請我們的相關的出版業者來研議研發就是說可以適合我們自己的孩子所使用的這樣子繁體字的版本還有適合我們國情適合我們的用詞適合我們生活習慣的這樣子的童書 |
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140案的部分呢是关于出版事业是辅导里面的公共出借权的这个业务那办理公共出借权第二阶段事办计划我们在第二期就是114年9月到12月的补偿金完成发放高达1800多万有超过4000 |
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贵的著作者以及221家的这个出版社是受惠也较第一期的发放数是增加的那既然我们公共出借权的计划推动以来是广受民众好评也让许多著作人及出版社受惠所以你们来说你说今年编列的这个2200万也已经全数的申请完毕哦 |
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表示說這個公共出借錢的這個計畫辦理成效是很優異的我想請教一下說未來有沒有擴大辦理的這個規劃等一下也請你們說明以上好 國務卿委員 |
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好 这个部分我是136跟153那136的部分就是国家语言研究发展中心的设置其实还没有完成法制的一个作业那基本上在这个语言能力的一个认证还有家庭还有社区的一个推广的机制其实还是有待要再更精进那虽然文化部这边有来报告但是我想还是请文化部这边还是说明一下就是国家语言 |
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研究发展中心的一个设置的一个进度那另外就是将来还是要再继续的这个强化跟地方的一些合作能够完成这个推广还有追踪的一个成效我想这个部分其实还蛮重要的那在一百 |
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153的部分是國家漫畫博物館的籌備跟營運的一個狀況那還有另外就是在於我們的典藏的業務還有一些典藏的空間不足的這樣子的一個現象那雖然也有來做說明但是這個部分我想未來應該要如何來提升這個展覽的內容還有怎麼樣來精進那個就是 |
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好 按摩委員有意見我自己是135案 |
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我想我們現在對於中央通訊社國家語言發言中心籌備還有中央通訊社捐助等事項人文及出版推廣 |
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閱讀產業出版文學創作國家語言公共資訊傳播我想都要兼顧產業的永續跟公共性但近年來我們在文化預算的審議書店出版的補助文學講座那以及國家語言政策均被納入公共的討論但特定的場域 |
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出版活動或者是文化工作者呢能被置於政治攻防的一個脈絡所以文化部更應該公開資料說明補助的目的審查標準的時候呢以及受益的分佈我們都希望能夠支持文化工作者但是不要用支持文化工作者的理由來 |
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讓我們看到這個部分沒有加以多做說明收益的平均讓大家都能夠語錄均沾我想令出版產業也面臨實體輸電經營困難數位閱讀的成長版權輸出的不足翻譯人才以及國際通路有限的一個問題所以我想預算大幅的增加卻會建立成效的指標恐難真正 |
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來協助到產業轉型予以凍結那100萬那也希望說文化部能夠就這個部分好好的來做一個策劃成效指標讓產業真正能夠轉型讓實體書店能夠真正被支持讓這些國家語言政策也好文學的漫畫講著能夠真正的讓大家語錄均沾我想這個東西都是我們現在很關心所以提出此案以上 |
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好 請部長回好 謝謝我想說人文出版這一塊我想是這幾年來大家非常明顯看到我們的進步包括我們的文化幣幫助書店可以包括獨立書店可以維持營運我們在書店借書的補償金作者可以得到回饋 |
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還有剛剛提到繪本學校其實我們也是課程裡面不只有教繪本我們還有教著作權還有教行銷印刷第一屆繪本學校已經有作品被全世界最大的版權買走了整個英語版權所以基本上我們在很短時間內已經看到了人文出版方面的快速的改變 |
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尤其是楊雙子得獎以後他讓台灣的這個輸的那個在國際上得獎的概率突然提高很高所以剛剛提到用他這個台灣漫遊路做IP這件事情我們非常重視我甚至於單獨跟楊雙子見了面跟他講說這個IP太重要因為他可以轉移成漫畫電影電視等等他也都知道所以在 |
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跨域方面我們也做了很多希望文學作品漫畫繪本可以因為跨域之後可以跟影視動畫結合這是我一開始整體來講還有一些細節我想請市長來解釋好針對135題的部分我原提到有關於就是關於閱讀推廣出版產業 |
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就是要兼顧到創作自由產業永續跟公共性還有要公開資料說明補助的目的審查標準這一部分那文化部這邊我們為了支持出版產業的發展還有國家語言政策公共資訊傳播等等我們也推動了包含像出版振興方案還有惠據台灣文化黑潮計畫國家語言發展方案等等來扶持創作能量跟 |
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人才培力那也推动了数位转型还有协助出版业的行销国际并透过就是各项语言的复正来推动国家语言的承传那上面的部分我们也有一些执行的成果比如说像我们第一届的新秀奖励我们获得奖励的30名奖励获得奖励的30名的新秀已经有4件 |
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已經出版了然後簽約的已經也有六件了那準備簽約也有12件那再來就是針對獎勵文學創作的部分那115年我們也合訂到115年我們已經合訂了395件那其中有99件我們也已經出版了那48件我們也獲得了出版的合約影視合約還有線上的一個平台連載那甚至還有舞台劇的一個 |
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形式的发展那像就是刚获得布克奖的杨双子的台湾漫游录也是获得这个奖助的那再来我们也在漫画的辅导镜的部分也发行了也补助了将近就是850本的部分那针对就是 |
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公共图书提供图书借阅服务的时候也保障到作者的权益鼓励文化的创作所以我们办理了第二阶段的公共租借权那第一期的补助我们其实也发育了123家的出版社超过2500位的著作人总共是1410万那第二期我们也 |
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就是发育了221家的出版社超过4000位著作人总共是1847万那以上这些讲补助其实我们已经有将相关的资讯公开在我们文化部的讲补助的资讯网也都有明定审查的一个标准跟评分那我们也会按照规定就是公布审查委员的名单跟效率还有评估等资讯那委员希望我们定立相关的成效指标的部分我们也会 |
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持續的努力好那還有沒有委員要發言陳培宇委員所以司長你還是沒有回答到我的問題還是我們請部長說清楚嗎還沒講完還沒講完喔 |
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不好意思你的斷點我也想到比較久他剛好講到我的我問一下我剛好問說你們會不會規劃擴大辦理關於這個出借權的計劃你們有沒有回答我這部分會擴大辦理而且我們會甚至是數位的公共出借權的部分我們都在考慮 |
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好那请依陈培育委员所说的回答好那针对陈培育委员的部分我们就是有关于台语的那个就是使用比例的部分我们在所有的要点都有规定就是明定就是使用语言的使用比例那像学习家庭 |
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像縣市推動那個台語家庭的補助我們像學習家庭就有規定要60%那文化家庭就規定90%那除此之外我們也會委託就是包含像那個輔導團隊來陪伴實地的訪視 |
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就此情的情形就语言使用比例等等给与专业意见然后希望能够得到一个预期的成效还有整体的语言的一个提升的专业然后再来就是针对委员提到的会本的部分 |
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有关于委员希望能够在我们的绘本及图文学校的部分增加包含像市场分析全球趋势等等的这样的课程我们会依建纳入那再来就是有关于就是获奖的作品希望能够 |
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優先採購的部分我們也其實在推動公共圖書辦理優化圖書採購的時候也提供一定比例的基金費來鼓勵縣市政府採購金鼎獎金曼獎還有金匯獎等等的作品那我們也希望就是各縣市政府也能夠配合這個部分來辦理主題展跟相關的系列活動的推動再來就是 |
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委員提到就是簡體自轉繁體的這個部分因為現在的業界還是期待說這個部分能夠希望以自立來取代管制的部分那我們也針對這個部分也進行相關的研議那也希望能夠朝向就是是不是有像比較遊戲軟體分級管理這種辦法來針對法源 |
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然后协助民间团体来成立第三公正单位强化它的一个强制力不过因为业者还是希望政府来低度管理的情况下这个部分我们希望就是委员也给我们一些时间能够跟业者做一些充分的沟通那再来有关于就是图书折扣秩序研议的 |
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部分我們目前已經規劃圖書折扣秩序立法議題會納入在115年的全國文化會議來討論那近期我們也會開始來辦理全國的公聽會再來就是針對權益本增加的部分因為目前 |
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原来的BFP我们1.0其实全译本只有7本那目前在2.0的部分已经增加到130本那由于翻译需要一定的能量我们在全译本纯文字的部分就是文学非文学部分我们已经有48位的译者在进行翻译那包括绘本跟漫画部分也需要43位其实这样的翻译能量来讲我们目前来要增加其实是比较困难那未来我们希望有空间的时候我们会进行 |
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加強跟調整再來針對中央社的部分有中央社 |
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向委員報告我們特別做了這個準備有關委員提出的問題我們特別提出來我們中央社真的很自立自強在政府的三個公廣集團當中我們的這個 |
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获得的补助现在是不到50%只有47.8%以去年来讲相对于公市还有60%几央广超过80%所以相对之下我们的自筹比例也是非常高一年比一年高也就是说我们很自立自强很努力的去做独立经营其实中央市在政府的立定的我们的社会目标是在进行也就是说 |
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服务国内外的媒体提供新闻尤其是对国际呢能够发送让国际间能够认识台湾而且呢跟国际的通讯国际的通讯社和这个国际媒体啊能够让他们更进一步的了解台湾所以在这种之下呢我们应该尽我们所有力气呢去做新闻的发布但是大家我这提供委员你看到啊 |
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最近這四年啊光這四年國際間的這個通貨膨脹平均幾個城市都在15%到20%之間通貨膨脹非常的快但是呢近25年來我們這個中央市獲得政府補助都在3億上下就是大概3億啊3億啊2億9這樣飄所以現在都沒有成長但是國際間 |
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通膨四年就漲了將近百分之十五到二十之間所以其實真的很辛苦因為物價會波動所以不是說我們不努力其實我們也提出一個數據既然要做一個國家通訊社在海外的駐點我也希望委員能支持我們海外駐點放大因為我們已經 |
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列出來就國際間的這些通訊社你看這個美聯社住在國94國海外住的也235個其實新華社有145個國家184個住點中央社現在是30個國家36個住點39位人在海外這是很矜持也就是說如果我們要真的做好新聞國際傳播的工作還需要其實海外能夠增加他們的配備或實力給予比較大的支援 |
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我們同仁也很努力 過去這一年我們的國際新聞也常常獲得肯定不管是國際的專訪 海外的獨家專訪等等甚至我們的影音新聞上去已經到了亞洲電視獎還有亞洲影音創意大獎都有入圍的作品也就是說已經都獲得國際水準也到了一個受肯定程度這件事還是誠摯的希望委員能夠幫忙盡量鼓勵我們 好不好 謝謝 |
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委員好這邊國漫館來補充一下有關剛才那個委員有提到關於目前國漫館的展覽的部分那去年的部分其實我們也很積極的辦了九檔跟台灣漫畫相關的展覽而且還有一檔是跟日本合作的國際交流展覽那今年的部分其實我們也是 |
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回應到時事就是也辦理了一個棒球的一個漫畫的特展那還有一個新奇漫畫的一個特展那後續也一直在積極的在規劃所有跟現在相關的這個 |
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展覽的内容目前也在规划跟民俗有关跟女性议题有关的一些展览也都在筹备当中有关典藏的部分目前我们从筹备开始到现在已经有五千多件的产品准产品也有六千多件 |
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那可是因為我們之前的這個典藏政策可能重新再做檢討所以我們現在也在六月的時候我們已經完成了整個我們從國漫館籌備處的文物收藏的政策還有收藏審議會的一個設置要點跟受證的做要點那同時我們也針對這個國家漫畫博物館籌備處的一些圖書資料的收藏政策也都 |
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已經研擬完成這樣子所以後續我們會繼續把這一些法制完備之後就可以來做典藏的工作那典藏的空間的部分目前我們也有跟國美館來借用典藏庫房來做保存那因為國美館的庫房其實是符合這個國際標準的那另外的就是我們准藏品的部分空間的部分我們也跟這個台南的台時部來借用空間來做暫存 |
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以上補充報告所以針對這個外溢本要提升全溢本的比例很困難沒有辦法提高能不能請部長來說明因為我不是聽得很懂剛剛這個無法無法努力的理由是什麼 |
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剛剛有提到那個外醫本的那個問題就是外醫的人才沒有那麼快可以培養出這麼多他外醫的速度比較慢那我們其實有委託文學館一直在開這種外醫的工作坊 |
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包括外籍人士我們也鼓勵他來台灣受訓那本國我們也盡量訓練這些外裔的人才所以這個部分我們想加快腳步做因為由楊雙子得獎就看出來外裔是非常非常重要的以上報告這個要加快腳步來做是很困難也需要人才所以才需要你們來支持是 |
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好 謝謝主席以下這個問題我想要直接請部長回應部長我想說明一下我們現在遇到的困境是當我手上拿著一本簡體字的童書如果我把它上架到實體書店或電子書的書店那家長跟老師就會知道我買的是簡體字的童書所以它沒有經過任何台灣出版社它只有透過進口商 |
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所以上架之後家長在買的時候他會知道我買的是一個內容沒有被確認過所以如果這裡面有任何統戰的認知作戰的訊息家長跟老師會知道喔好吧我衰因為我買到簡體字的書可是現在部長現在狀況是本來這本簡體書要進到台灣的繁體書的時候一 |
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他必须要申请ISBN必须要把内容送交给文化部然后文化部你们看了内容之后觉得something wrong有问题然后你们可能就予以驳回可是现在不到20%的出版社真的有把书送进来审查没关系台湾认为自己是一个言论自由的国家所以当这样的书他没有送ISBN给你们审查他就把简体书转印成繁体书送到成品送到博客来送到所有的平台上的时候他甚至可能被采购进图书馆 |
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然后你们文化部跟我说无法可管你们当发信的时候你们只能依违反两岸人民条例让它下架而且那当那还是当人民有检举的时候那现在呢电子书的平台更可怕部长我跟你报告REMOO也好COBO也好现在所有电子书简体字的童书简体字的小说里面藏着任何认知作战的讯息它完全不需要送你们文化部审查直接电子书零成本上架 |
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现在的简体字转繁体字的技术30秒就可以完成一本然后直接上架有多少家长跟老师在完全不知道它是中国的书的情况下他买了之后他下载付费了之后他发现它是一本这样的电子书所以部长我一直在告诉你们文化部我已经讲超过一年了但是文化部就说好啦你们找业者谈了业者说他们会自律 |
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然後所以文化部可以不用有角色嗎可是我要提醒部長為什麼我這麼著急這件事情當所有部會所有民間團體大家努力在防止認知作戰滲透的這些事情的時候文化部竟然置身事外而且就從童書開始 |
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那當我們教育部還在做試讀中國的教材的時候文部長還因此被貼上玩獵台獨份子那請問文化部跟教育部難道不用一起攜手努力嗎試讀中國這件事情已經不是只有台灣要做的事情全世界國家現在都在面臨當中國用各式各樣的方法在做滲透認知作戰的時候沒有一個部會可以置身事外而從童書這件事情文化部到現在依然認為自己不需要任何法治的角色跟規範 |
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好而这个自律平台是怎么产生的部长我再跟你报告三次的座谈会都是因为也有业者跑来告诉我说培宇我们很希望跟文化部对话但是文化部决定撒手一管他们就说好吧那我们自己先来自律我们自己 |
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部長你聽懂了嗎這個邏輯是這樣來的而不是我非常的激動部長我要告訴你的是7月1號中國通過那個荒謬的法規之後請問我們真的還要繼續置身事外嗎 |
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好我先请问一下裴育伟你是第几案啊 |
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有很多案但是最激動的沒事沒事是141141喔好那我真的覺得你很重視我也覺得這應該要處理你要不要就直接凍結讓他事後給你報告 |
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我先說我覺得如果部長清楚了為什麼我這麼在意這件事情而且部長我認為你可以要求你的幕僚回去跟你報告到底我們辦公室開了幾次會我今天所有提案我都可以改組決議但是我要拜託部長這件事情就是這麼嚴重當我們努力向世界發聲當我們今天還在草莓宣廢的時候文化部真的不要在這件事情上再次置身事外尤其是電子書上架它是零成本 |
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連業界的人自己都在告訴自己零成本而當有人要賺這個方便財的時候甚至如果有人他是要刻意配合中國部長你還記得嗎2020年有一本書叫等爸爸回家他就上架全台灣各大書店而裡面是多麼讚頌武漢歌頌武漢而2020為什麼要出這本書大家還記得嗎因為2019出現了COVID-19所以中國努力在做大外宣那本書當然現在已經下架但是這個沒有停 |
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那我也覺得是不是就請部長我們加速推進但是你要面對委員的提案你是不是就面對委員的提案正面回應如果不行的話委員是不是就趕快決定要不要凍結了沒有我都說了我可以改組決議沒關係你尊重你那你的提案我改組決議我全部可以改組決議所以你現在他要改組決議幫他直接登記那他要改組決議你要回應他讓他滿意還是覺得他已經改組決議不用回應他這麼滿意那你決定好不好那我們加速推進拜託拜託 |
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一定要回應啊 你要回應委員的需求啊這一點我其實我個人也有感覺到譬如說剛剛講到簡體制的同書還有透過那個網路那個平台大量的中國同書過到台灣來這個事情我其實蠻清楚而且我們不斷的在尋找 |
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過去的一些法令可能真的沒有辦法去阻止這一些我其實自己蠻清楚中國整個統戰的那個過程是非常快速的那我想我們要比照目前其他部門能夠找到的法令包括除了兩岸人民條例之外 |