| IVOD_ID |
17426 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17426 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-11T08:38:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-11T14:21:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:42:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/bfaf9b39ac01a685979b49e85773c2c65eff2011ce5661eeb7b695d4fecf9ee9478a746e34c81c6f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案關於衛生福利部主管預算。(公務及非營業特種基金預算案)
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款衛生福利部主管部分預算。
【僅詢答，115年5月25日下午5時截止收案】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:38:05 - 14:21:00 |
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好 那开了 |
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1319.63 |
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现在开会 请准备报告出席人数 |
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1323.03 |
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1326.03 |
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1327.7 |
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1328.98 |
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立法院第十一届第五会议 |
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1328.98 |
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1332.5 |
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1332.5 |
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时间115年5月4日 |
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1334.42 |
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1336.46 |
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9时18分至10时11分 |
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1336.46 |
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1337.94 |
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115年5月6日 |
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1337.94 |
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1340.3 |
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9时4分至10时45分 |
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1340.3 |
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1341.74 |
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115年5月7日 |
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1341.74 |
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1344.3 |
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9时2分至10时30分54分 |
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1344.3 |
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1346.1 |
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地点全线楼801会议室 |
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1346.1 |
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1348.5 |
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出席委员秋慧入等15人 |
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1348.5 |
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1350.5 |
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1350.5 |
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1352.58 |
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列席官员5月4日及6日 |
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1352.58 |
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1355.42 |
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环境部部长彭启明及各相关部会首长 |
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1357.13 |
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1361.17 |
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5月7日劳动部部长洪升翰及各相关部会主管 |
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1362.2 |
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1364.12 |
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主席林昭集委员阅勤 |
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1364.12 |
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1365.32 |
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5月4日报告事项 |
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1365.32 |
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1366.92 |
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1366.92 |
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1368.64 |
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决定确定5月4日及6日 |
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1368.64 |
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1369.32 |
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讨论事项 |
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1369.32 |
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1370.44 |
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1370.44 |
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1372.04 |
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审议资源回收再利用法 |
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1372.04 |
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1373.68 |
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修正草案案等十一案 |
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1376.54 |
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1378.38 |
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5月4日会议经委员王震旭 |
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1378.38 |
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1379.3 |
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张志伦 |
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1379.3 |
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1380.46 |
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宁愿请说明提案 |
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1380.46 |
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1383.02 |
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只去由环境部环境部资源 |
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1383.02 |
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1385.22 |
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循环署署长赖映说明 |
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1385.22 |
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1387.5 |
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1388.42 |
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1391.46 |
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委员王震旭等三人提出第一条及第12条 |
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1391.46 |
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1392.34 |
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条文修正动议 |
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1392.34 |
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1394.78 |
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委员林粤晴等三人提出第12条 |
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1394.78 |
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1395.5 |
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条文修正动议 |
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1395.5 |
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1397.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
委员林粤晴等三人提出36条 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
1397.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
1398.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
条文修正动议 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
1398.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
1400.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
5月6日会议即有 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
1400.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
1403.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
林粤晴 林淑芬 王震旭 卢宪一及陈吉慧等五人 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
1403.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
1406.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
提出第12条条文修正动议 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
1406.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
1408.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
决议资源回收再利用法 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
1408.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1409.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
修正草案等十一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
1409.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1411.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
审查玩具内容如审查结果 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
1411.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1413.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
并按理据审查报告 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
1413.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1414.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
提报院会讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1414.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1414.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
院会讨论时 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1414.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1418.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
有林昭集委员员请补充说明不需交党团协商 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1418.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1420.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
2.本法案条次条文中 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1420.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1423.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
援引条次及法制用与调整 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
1423.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1425.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
授权议事人员整理 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1425.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1426.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
相关立法说明 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1426.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1428.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
授权行政单位提供审查结果 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1428.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1431.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
1.造行征券提案通过 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1431.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1433.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
1.法案名称第一章至第七章 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1433.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1435.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
章名第三章第一节至第三节 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1435.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1438.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
节名2.第二条至第四条 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1438.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1439.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
第六条至第十一条 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1439.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1440.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
第十三条 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1440.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1441.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
第十五条 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1441.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1441.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
第十六条 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1441.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1443.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
第十九条至第二十一条 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1443.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1445.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
第十二十三条至第三十一条 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
1445.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1446.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
第三十四条 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1446.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1447.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
第三十五条 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1447.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1449.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
及第三七条至第五十一条条文 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1451.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1452.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
3.删除限刑法第七条 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1452.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1453.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
第八条 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1453.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1453.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
第二十五条 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1453.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1455.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
及第二十八条条文 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1455.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1456.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
2.第一条 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1456.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1458.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
照委员林淑芬等三人所提 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1458.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1460.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
修正动一修正通过 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
1460.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1463.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
第一条为节约资源支援使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1463.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1465.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
促进资源循环减少废弃物产生 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
1465.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
1466.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
减轻环境附和兼利 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
1466.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1468.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
永续发展至循环型社会 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
1468.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1469.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
特制定本法 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
1469.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1471.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
3.第五条 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
1471.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
1472.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
造行征券提案修正通过 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
1472.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
1473.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
第五条 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
1473.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
1475.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
失业于进行失业活动时 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
1475.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
1477.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
应选下列原则以减少资源 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
1477.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
1479.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
1.是消耗抑制废弃物质产生 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
1479.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
1481.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
及促进资源循环 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
1481.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
1483.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
1.选用清洁生产技术 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
1483.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
1485.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
2.对原料之使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
1485.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
1488 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
应采取减少废弃物产生之必要措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
1488 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
1489.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
3.原材料失去原效用后 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
1489.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
1492.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
应自行或供循环利用 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
1492.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
1493.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
无法循环利用者 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
1493.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
1496.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
应进行能源回收或妥善处理 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
1496.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
1499 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
4.从事物品容器之制造 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
1499 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
1501.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
贩卖之事业有责任提升产品 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
1501.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
1503.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
来用年限及落实修缮服务 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
1503.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
1505.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
以抑制该物品容器成为废弃物 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
1505.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
1507.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
5.是并因朝促使该产品 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
1507.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
1509.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
利于资源循环之方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
1509.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
1510.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
进行产品之研发 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
1510.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
1513.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
设计及标示材质种类 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
1513.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
1515.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
5.是网络交易平台服务 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
1515.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
1516.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
提供者应订定 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
1516.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
1518.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
并执行相关管理机制 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
1518.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
1520.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
促使并引导利用其平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
1520.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
1522.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
进行交易之事业或个人 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
1523.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
1525.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
落实包装减量及促进资源循环 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
1525.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
1526.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
第12条照委 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
1526.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
1527.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
连月请令书方王正序 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
1527.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
1530.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
卢宪一及陈金辉等五员 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
1530.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
1531.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
所提修正动议 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
1531.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
1532.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
通过如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
1532.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
1533.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
第12条 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
1533.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
1534.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
中央主管机关为执行 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
1534.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
1536.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
前条第一项至第三项职权 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
1536.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
1539.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
应组成资源循环推动会 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
1539.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
1540.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
以下简称推动会 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
1540.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
1542.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
负责召集督导相关部会员 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
1542.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
1544.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
以协商评股诊和制定 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
1544.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
1547.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
及推动前条资源循环政策措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
1547.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
1549.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
推动会至召集人员 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
1549.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
1550.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
由环境部部长担任 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
1550.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
1551.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
稳认其二年 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
1551.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
1553.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
由相关政府机关学者 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
1553.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
1556.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
专家及环境保护团体代表组成 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
1556.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
1557.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
其中政府机关代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
1557.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
1560.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
应由副首长以上主管担任 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
1560.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
1563.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
学者专家及环境保护团体 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
1563.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
1564.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
代表不得少于二分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
1564.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
1566.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
环境保护团体代表不得少于 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
1566.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
1568.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
推动会整体值四分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
1570.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
1572.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
推动会之会议记录 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
1572.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
1574.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
应对外公开单设计国家机密 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
1574.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
1576.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
或营业秘密则不在此限 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
1576.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
1577.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
第十四条 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
1577.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
1578.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
造型证员提案及委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
1578.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
1579.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
林书芬等三员所提 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
1579.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
1580.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
修正动员修正通过如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
1580.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
1582.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
第十四条 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
1582.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
1583.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
中央主管机关得指定公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
1583.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
1585.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
一定种类规模之产品 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
1585.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
1587.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
应遵行绿色设计准则指定 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
1587.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
1589.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
项目其制造输入业者 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
1589.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
1591.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
应于公告锁定期限 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
1591.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
1593.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
拣据产品绿色设计文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
1593.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
1595 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
向中央主管机关申请 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
1595 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
1596.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
核定符合绿色设计准则 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
1596.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
1599.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
及发给循环标志 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
1599.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
1601.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
非属前项指定公告之产品 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
1601.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
1604.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
其制造输入业者得自愿遵行 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
1604.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
1605.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
绿色设计准则 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
1605.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
1607.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
并检具产品绿色设计文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
1607.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
1609.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
向中央主管机关申请核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
1609.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
1611.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
符合绿色设计准则 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
1611.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
1612.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
及发给循环标志 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
1612.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
1614.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
依第一项指定公告之产品 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
1614.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
1616.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
应使用一定比率 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
1616.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
1618.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
或数量再生力材料者 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
1618.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
1620.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
其制造输入业者 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
1620.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
1622.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
应提供再生力材料来源 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
1622.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
1626.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
使用总量产品产量及销量等资料 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
1626.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
1628.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
经中央主管机关认可之验证方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
1628.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
1629.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
或机构查验后 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
1629.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
1631.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
报中央主管机关被查 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
1631.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
1633.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
第一项第二项之申请程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
1633.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
1636.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
绿色设计准则之性能规范 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
1636.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
1638.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
与评估验证机制应遵循 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
1638.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
1640.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
应遵循之原则 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
1640.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
1642.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
项目产品绿色设计文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
1642.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
1644.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
应记载事项审查标志 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
1644.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
1648 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
核电事项变更查核充量检验废纸 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
1648 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
1650.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
与前项资料被查及其他应遵循事项 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
1650.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
1653.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
之办法由中央主管机关定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
1653.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
1653.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
第十七条 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
1653.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
1656.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
照行证院提案及委员联署分点三人 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
1656.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
1658.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
所提修正动力修正通过如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
1658.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
1660 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
第十七条 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
1660 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
1662.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
中央主管机关得指定公告物品 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
1662.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
1665.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
或其包装容量减量目标及方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
1665.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
1666.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
指定事业因公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
1666.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
1668.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
锁定期限减聚减量计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
1668.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
1670.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
申请中央主管机关核准 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
1670.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
1671.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
并提送执行成果报 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
1671.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
1673.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
中央主管机关被查 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
1673.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
1675.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
废除前项指定公告之物品 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
1675.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
1676.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
或其包装容器 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
1676.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
1678.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
其制造输入或贩卖业者 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
1678.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
1680.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
得自愿减聚减量计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
1680.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
1682.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
送中央主管机关核准 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
1682.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
1683.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
并提送执行成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
1683.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
1685.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
保证中央主管机关被查 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
1685.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
1686.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
前二项减量计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
1686.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
1689.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
因记载事项申请因被文件审查 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
1689.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
1691.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
核准事项管理变更 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
1691.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
1692.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
废止执行成果被查 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
1692.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
1694.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
及其他因遵行事项 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
1694.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
1696 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
之办法由中央主管机关定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
1697.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
1697.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
第18条 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
1697.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
1700.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
照行政院提案及委员联署分等三人所提 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
1700.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
1702.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
修正动员修正通过如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
1702.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
1703.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
第18条 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
1703.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
1704.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
物品或其包装容器 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
1704.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
1705.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
有下列情形之一者 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
1705.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
1706.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
中央主管机关 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
1707.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
1710 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
得禁止或限制制造输入贩卖使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
1710 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
1713 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
经限制制造输入贩卖或使用者 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
1713 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
1715.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
其制造输入贩卖或使用业者 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
1715.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
1716.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
因定期提送营业量 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
1716.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
1717.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
生产量进口量 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
1717.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
1720.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
销售量及销售对象使用量 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
1720.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
1721.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
原料供应来源相关资料 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
1721.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
1723.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
保证主管机关被查 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
1723.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
1725.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
一过度化用能资源 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
1725.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
1727.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
二含长期不衣服化之成分 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
1727.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
1729.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
三含有害物质之成分 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
1729.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
1732.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
四有回收困难或干扰回收体系之余 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
1732.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
1734.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
五有严重污染环境之余 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
1734.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
1736 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
前箱物品或其包装容器 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
1736 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
1738.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
禁止限制之方式与 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
1738.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
1740.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
范围各款所定情形之认定 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
1740.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
1742.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
资料被查及其他因遵行 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
1742.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
1744.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
事项由中央主管机关公告之 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
1744.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
1747.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
直辖市县市主管机关得失环境治理条件 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
1747.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
1750.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
差异就限制制造输入贩卖使用物品 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
1750.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
1753.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
或其包装容器之管制对象 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
1753.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
1756.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
项目期限减量限制使用方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
1756.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
1759.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
定定较前箱公告更加严格之 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
1759.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
1762.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
自治法规或管制措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
1762.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
1763.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
报警中央主管机关核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
1763.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
1765.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
物品或其包装容器不符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
1765.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
1767.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
第二项公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
1767.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
1770.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
前箱自治法规或管制措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
1770.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
1772.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
直辖市县市主管机关得令产品之 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
1772.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
1774.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
制造输入贩卖或及使用业者 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
1774.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
1776.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
将产品下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
1776.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
1779.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
销毁推运或为其他适当处置 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
1779.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
1780.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
第二十二条造型正面提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
1780.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
1782.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
即为年书分的三人所提 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
1782.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
1784.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
修正动员修正通过如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
1784.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
1785.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
第二十二条 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
1785.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
1787.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
中央主管机关的指定公告物品 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
1787.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
1788.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
或其包装容器 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
1788.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
1790.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
其制造输入或贩卖业者 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
1790.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
1792.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
因依公告所定期限方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
1792.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
1794.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
揭露及标示下列资讯 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
1794.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
1798.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
一使用之材质及再生力材料比率 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
1798.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
1800.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
二包装材质及重量 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
1800.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
1803.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
三可维修性耐用性及维修方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
1803.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
1806.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
四回收拆解及再利用方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
1806.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
1807.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
五分类回收标志 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
1807.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
1810.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
六使用具唯一产品识别码者 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
1810.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
1814.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
因动态更新流向追溯及品质验证 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
1814.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
1815.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
资讯七 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
1815.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
1818.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
其他经中央主管机关指定之事项 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
1818.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
1820.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
非属前项指定公告之物品 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
1820.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
1821.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
或其包装容器 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
1821.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
1824.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
其制造输入或贩卖业者的自愿揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
1824.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
1826.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
及标示前项各款资讯 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
1826.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
1828.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
其二项物品或其包装容器 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
1828.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
1832.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
资讯之计算方式可维修性耐用性评估方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
1832.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
1836.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
标志图案揭露及标示内容与方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
1836.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
1838.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
管理及其他一尊形式项之办法 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
1838.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
1839.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
由中央主管机关定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
1840.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
1842.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
为您书分点三人所提的26条 |
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1842.91 |
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1844.35 |
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条文修正动一修正通 |
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1844.99 |
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1845.83 |
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通过如下 |
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1846.68 |
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1848.24 |
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第26条再生资源 |
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1848.24 |
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1850.48 |
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为肥气物品包装或容器者 |
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1850.48 |
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1853.92 |
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中央主管机关得指定其制造输入贩卖 |
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1853.92 |
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1856.04 |
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或使用业者共同成立或加入 |
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1856.04 |
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1858.44 |
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即有生产者责任组织 |
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1858.44 |
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1861.32 |
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以下简称生产者责任组织 |
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1861.32 |
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1865.48 |
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负担再生资源之回收清除及循环利用之财物 |
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1865.48 |
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1867.56 |
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与实际执行责任 |
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1867.56 |
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1869.12 |
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中央主管机关得指定 |
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1869.12 |
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1871.04 |
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前项生产者责任组织 |
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1871.04 |
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1875.68 |
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因依指定之目标循环利用方式及必要设施 |
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1875.72 |
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1877.04 |
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规划循环利用计划 |
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1877.04 |
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1879.84 |
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并于公告期限内减剧该计划 |
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1879.84 |
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1881.96 |
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送请中央主管机关审查 |
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1881.96 |
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1884.36 |
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并以中央主管机关核准之计划办理 |
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1885.66 |
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1887.46 |
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生产者责任组织因依中 |
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1887.46 |
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1889.7 |
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主管机关指定之资料传输方式 |
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1889.7 |
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1891.74 |
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定期申报循环利用情形 |
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1891.74 |
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1893.7 |
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第二项生产者责任组织 |
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1893.7 |
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1898.3 |
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因遵循之循环利用目标方式设施设置 |
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1898.85 |
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1901.93 |
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循环利用计划应有之内容 |
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1901.93 |
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1904.01 |
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及前项申报方式及频率 |
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1904.01 |
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1905.41 |
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由中央主管机关定制 |
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1905.41 |
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1909.53 |
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中央再生资源为事业活动产生之物品 |
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1909.53 |
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1910.65 |
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包装或容器者 |
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1910.65 |
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1914.17 |
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则第二项循环利用计划的审查与核准 |
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1914.17 |
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1917.01 |
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以及循环利用计划执行情形之 |
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1917.01 |
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1917.85 |
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监督与考核 |
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1917.85 |
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1920.41 |
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由中央目的事业主管机关为之 |
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1920.41 |
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1922.21 |
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第32条造行证体验及委员 |
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1922.21 |
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1923.45 |
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临庶分点三人所提 |
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1923.45 |
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1925.25 |
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修正动议修正通过如下 |
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1926.18 |
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1929.02 |
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第32条为促进资源循环事业 |
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1929.02 |
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1931.54 |
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自愿提供物品或其包装容器 |
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1931.54 |
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1933.26 |
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至源头减量重复使用 |
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1933.26 |
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1936.14 |
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延长使用或其他有利资源循环服务 |
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1936.14 |
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1939.82 |
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绩效有良者中央主管机关得以奖励或补助 |
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1939.82 |
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1942.1 |
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十一第33条造行证体验及委员 |
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1942.1 |
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1945.06 |
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如现一等十六人提案修正通过如下 |
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1945.06 |
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1946.98 |
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第33条事业或个人办理 |
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1946.98 |
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1949.78 |
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绿色设计源头减量永续消费在使用 |
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1949.78 |
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1953.3 |
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再生利用之相关技术开发人才培训 |
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1953.3 |
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1954.9 |
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实际运用执行与管理 |
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1954.94 |
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1958.18 |
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绩效有良者中央主管机关得以奖励或补助 |
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1958.18 |
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1960.98 |
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为促进资源循环产业发展 |
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1960.98 |
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1966.18 |
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事业投资与循环利用及循环永续管理之研究发展 |
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1966.18 |
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1969.18 |
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人才培育及设备购置支出 |
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1969.18 |
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1972.02 |
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积得得以有关税法产业创新条例 |
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1972.02 |
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1973.7 |
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或其他法律规定 |
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1973.7 |
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1975.06 |
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减免税捐 |
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1975.06 |
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1979.62 |
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主管机关得考量片原住民族地区及离岛地区之需要 |
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1979.62 |
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1981.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
定定辅导补助计划 |
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1981.98 |
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1984.66 |
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第一项第31条第4项及前条 |
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1984.66 |
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1986.5 |
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奖励或补助之条件 |
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1986.5 |
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1989.86 |
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方式审查程序废止及其他有关事项之办法 |
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1989.86 |
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1991.78 |
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由中央主管机关定制 |
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1991.78 |
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1993.22 |
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12 第36条造型 |
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1993.22 |
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1994.98 |
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作为提案为零月勤的20亿人 |
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1994.98 |
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1996.9 |
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提案及委员零数分的三院所提 |
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1996.9 |
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1999.26 |
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修正同意 修正通过如下 |
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1999.26 |
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2001.42 |
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第36条为促进资源循环技术 |
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2001.42 |
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2004.02 |
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或数位科技治理发展之目的 |
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2004.02 |
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2006.66 |
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事业的减剧资源循环创新实验计划 |
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2006.66 |
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2010.94 |
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向中央主管机关申请核准办理资源循环创新实验 |
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2010.98 |
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2013.7 |
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并提供执行成果 保庄主管机关被查 |
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2013.7 |
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2016.86 |
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庄主管机关审查创新实验计划时 |
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2016.86 |
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2021.1 |
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应审浊其创新性必要性可行性风险控管环境影响 |
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2021.1 |
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2023.9 |
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庄主管机关核准创新实验计划 |
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2023.9 |
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2025.9 |
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得附加实验期间 |
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2025.9 |
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2028.38 |
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范围规模方式监测通报 |
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2028.38 |
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2030.38 |
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返还奖励或补助 |
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2034.92 |
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2036.92 |
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限期改善或停止实验 |
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2036.92 |
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2038.92 |
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费止核准及其他付款 |
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2038.92 |
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2043.96 |
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一并纳入核准事项事业因依核准内容执行 |
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2043.96 |
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2045.16 |
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庄主管机关议会上 |
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2045.16 |
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2047.16 |
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中央及地方有关机关后 |
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2047.16 |
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2051 |
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核准创新实验计划与创新实验期间内 |
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2051 |
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2053.32 |
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排除下列法律全部或已布置试用 |
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2053.32 |
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2054.84 |
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但排除法律试用范围 |
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2054.84 |
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2058.92 |
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因已达成实验目的为必要且相当者违宪 |
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2058.92 |
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2061.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
且不得排除涉及人体健康公共安全 |
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2061.32 |
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2064.04 |
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及其他重大环境风险之 |
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2064.04 |
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2067.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
强制规定与民事刑事责任及行政机关依法因 |
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2067.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
2070.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
采取之紧急处置措施规定 |
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2070.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
2072.68 |
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一第25条第26条 |
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2072.68 |
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2080.04 |
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二非757立法第12条第14条第18条第31条第31条第36条第39条第41条第1项 |
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2080.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
2083.65 |
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中央主管机关与核准创新实验计划后 |
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2083.65 |
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2086.77 |
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应将试验名称创新实验内容 |
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2086.77 |
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2092.05 |
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期间范围排除试用之规定及其他相关资讯揭露于指定网站 |
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2092.05 |
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2096.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
创新实验计划经展延变更撤销或废止者 |
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2096.37 |
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2100.21 |
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因揭露至前四项资源循环创新实验计划之申请 |
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2100.21 |
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2105.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
审查核准管理变更展延执行成果提送与备插 |
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2105.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
2109.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
资讯公开风险控管监测通报返还奖励或补助 |
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2109.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
2114.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
限期改善或停止实验撤销或废止核准及其他因遵行示效之办法 |
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2114.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
2116.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
由中央主管机关定制 |
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2116.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
2120.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
5月7日邀请劳动部部长列席报告业务概况并被质询 |
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2120.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
2123.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
讨论事项审查中华民国115年中央政府总预算案 |
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2123.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
2125.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
关于劳动部主管预算 |
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2125.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
2131.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
2审查劳动部韩宋财团法人子夜在爱玉坊及从建中心115年预算书案 |
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2131.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
2135.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
本日会议业务报告及讨论事项采综合巡逮劳动部部长洪生翰 |
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2135.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
2139.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
专案报告及说明后委员林月晴等19人提出质询 |
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2139.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
2144.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
军机劳动部部长洪生翰及常务次长陈明仁及各相关主管集系答复 |
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2144.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
2148.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
文审博洋及邱志伟所提书面质询列入纪录刊登公报 |
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2148.13 |
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文质询未及答复或请补充资料者请相关机关于2周内与书面答复 |
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委员令要求其限者从其锁定 |
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恋择其继续审查宣读完毕 |
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2173.99 |
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请问委员会上次是否有错误或遗漏之处 |
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2190.56 |
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2201.6 |
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直辖市及县市政府一般性补助款 |
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2203.6 |
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第一个由我们召位林月琴委员 |
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王正旭委员 |
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2234.24 |
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2243.12 |
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2245.2 |
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2264.76 |
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2264.76 |
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2266.76 |
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2266.76 |
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2268.76 |
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2268.76 |
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2270.76 |
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2270.76 |
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2272.76 |
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2276.76 |
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2278.76 |
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2278.76 |
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2280.76 |
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2280.76 |
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2282.76 |
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2282.76 |
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2284.76 |
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2262.85 |
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2264.13 |
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2264.5 |
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2266.5 |
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2275.58 |
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社会保险师、代理市长张玉璇 |
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2278.46 |
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2280.46 |
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秘书处处长许桥成 |
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2281.11 |
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中华民国115年度 |
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中华民国115年度 |
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中华民国115年度 |
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自信出,副处长完美出 |
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政风处处长刘耀忠 |
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国际合作组 |
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餐饰间主任施金水 |
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副署医疗及社会福利机构管理委员会执行长林庆峰 |
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前面这样健康保险会 |
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秘书周属晚 |
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卫生福利人员训练中心 |
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餐饰间主任林庆峰 |
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国民年金兼领会 |
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餐饰间执行秘书石春梅 |
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谢谢大家 |
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来吧 |
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哈哈 |
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前民健康保险正义审议会 |
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带领执行秘书杨树梅 |
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科技发展组借间刘明勋 |
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我们健康署处长沈建峰 |
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疾病管制署署长罗一军 |
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视频压物管理署署长江志刚 |
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2361.22 |
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中央健保中央健康保险署署长陈亮瑜 |
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社会及家庭署署长周道军 |
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国务院院长师徒惠康 |
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劳动部国民年金署署长巫惟阳 |
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劳动基金运用局 |
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专门委员陈秀娃 |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢大家 |
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国务院送促庄委陈淑萍 |
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基金预算处科长刘雅雯 |
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在部长报告前,先做以下宣告 |
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2015年度卫生福利部主管国务局基金预算案 |
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知晓市及县市政府一般补助款 |
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卫生福利部主管部分预算案委员队审查 |
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卫生福利部主管部分预算案委员队审查 |
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卫生福利部主管部分预算案委员队审查 |
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卫生福利部主管部分预算案委员队审查 |
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卫生福利部主管部分预算案委员队审查 |
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卫生福利部主管部分预算案委员队审查 |
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卫生福利部主管部分预算案委员队审查 |
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卫生福利部主管部分预算案委员队审查 |
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卫生福利部主管部分预算案委员队审查 |
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卫生福利部主管部分预算案委员队审查 |
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主席還有各位委員、女士先生 |
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今天陳大院安排針對本部主管的115年的預算案來進行報告 |
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那麼以下就以簡報來跟各位委員做說明 |
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是不是可以播放 |
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好,那這個是今天的報告的大綱 |
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再請各位委員參閱 |
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好 |
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那麼首先報告有關於這個115年度的年度施政的目標跟預算 |
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那我們是按照這個行政院的115年度的施政方針 |
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那麼編定的施政計畫 |
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2481.71 |
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那麼目標是希望能夠達成健全的衛生福利、服務體系 |
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確保健保的永續經營等八大施政目標 |
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來具以編列115年的公務預算以及基金預算 |
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2491.71 |
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2494.71 |
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那麼下一張為了達成施政的目標 |
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2494.71 |
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2498.71 |
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那麼在這個公務預算跟基金預算的部分 |
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那麼分別編列公務預算稅路是33.2億 |
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稅出是3556.7億 |
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2511.71 |
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而一般性的補助款則編列了336.6億元 |
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基金預算則共編列稅入1兆2555.8億元 |
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總支出為1兆2532.4億元 |
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2522.71 |
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2527.71 |
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那麼以下分別說明公務預算的編列情形 |
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2527.71 |
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2529.71 |
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那麼有關公務預算的稅入 |
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2529.71 |
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2533.71 |
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如同所述一共是33.2億元 |
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2533.71 |
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2537.71 |
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那麼以歸會收入25.9億元最高 |
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2538.71 |
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2539.71 |
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佔78% |
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2539.71 |
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2543.71 |
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那麼主要來自於食品藥物管理署的藥品 |
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2543.71 |
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2548.71 |
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醫材化妝品跟食品查驗登記的檢驗等審查費的收入 |
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2548.71 |
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2549.71 |
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看下一張 |
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2549.71 |
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2553.71 |
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至於在公務預算的稅出預算部分呢 |
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2555.24 |
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2557.24 |
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共3893.3億元 |
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2557.24 |
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2561.24 |
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那麼包含了單位預算3556.7億元 |
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2561.24 |
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2565.24 |
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及一般性的補助款336.6億元 |
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2565.24 |
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2571.24 |
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那麼中間也以法律義務的支出最高為2602.7億元 |
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2571.24 |
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2573.24 |
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那麼其次則是基本需求 |
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2573.24 |
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2575.24 |
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看下一張 |
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2575.24 |
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2577.24 |
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那麼為了施政所需的預算呢 |
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2577.24 |
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2581.24 |
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那麼分別由本部跟所屬機關 |
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2581.24 |
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2584.24 |
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那麼按照職長分別編列預算 |
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2584.24 |
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2586.24 |
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如果以單位別來看 |
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2586.24 |
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2588.24 |
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那麼本部呢是 |
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2588.24 |
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2591.24 |
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佔了2938.4億元 |
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2591.24 |
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2593.24 |
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那麼其次呢是 |
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2593.55 |
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2595.55 |
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社家署的435.8億元 |
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2595.55 |
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2599.55 |
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跟疾管署173.9億元 |
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2599.55 |
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2601.55 |
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跟健保署的167.9億元 |
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2601.55 |
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2604.55 |
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那麼國健署食藥署跟中醫所 |
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2604.55 |
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2607.55 |
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那麼如上編列 |
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2607.55 |
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2611.55 |
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那麼至於在稅出的主管預算 |
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2611.55 |
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2613.55 |
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按照正式別來分列的話呢 |
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2613.55 |
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2616.55 |
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那麼也以社會福利支出 |
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2616.55 |
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2618.55 |
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佔了98% |
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2618.55 |
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2621.55 |
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那麼共3818.5億元 |
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2621.55 |
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2623.55 |
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那麼至於用途的部分呢 |
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2623.55 |
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2625.55 |
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則是以獎補助費 |
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2625.55 |
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2629.55 |
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那麼佔最高最大從3608.6億元 |
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2629.55 |
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2630.55 |
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看下一張 |
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2631.63 |
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2634.63 |
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至於在特種基金的編列的部分呢 |
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2634.63 |
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2637.63 |
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那麼本部所主管的基金 |
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2637.63 |
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2639.63 |
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含了4個作業基金 |
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2641.03 |
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2645.03 |
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分別是醫療藥品基金 |
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2645.03 |
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2647.03 |
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那麼還有國民聯金的保險基金 |
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2647.03 |
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2649.03 |
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全民健康保險基金 |
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2649.03 |
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2654.03 |
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跟管制藥品的製藥工廠的作業基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
2654.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
2655.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
那麼另外呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
2655.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
2658.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
那麼有一個特別收入基金 |
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2658.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
2660.03 |
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那麼如這個上面所列的 |
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2660.03 |
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2663.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
那麼在特別收入基金的部分 |
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2663.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
2666.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
則設了11個這個分預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
2666.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
2667.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
那麼另外呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
2667.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
2674.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
在本部所屬的26家的部立醫院的預算 |
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2674.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
2677.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
那麼則是有編在這個醫藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
2677.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
2679.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
醫療藥品基金裡頭 |
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2679.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
2680.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
那麼來執行 |
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2680.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
2682.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
看下一張 |
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2683.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
2685.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
那麼至於這4個作業基金呢 |
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2685.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
2689.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
那麼分別辦理那麼醫療服務 |
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2689.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
2693.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
那麼這個是以醫療藥品作業基金為主要 |
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2693.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
2696.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
那麼另外有管制藥品的產銷 |
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2696.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
2702.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
那麼以這個管制藥品製藥工廠作業基金來執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
2702.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
2705.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
那麼另外還有健保跟國保 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
2705.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
2708.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
那麼分別有兩個基金來執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
2708.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
2717.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
那麼共編列收入是1兆156.2億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
2717.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
2722.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
那麼支出是1兆133.5億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
2722.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
2724.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
那麼收支付底後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
2724.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
2728.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
那麼預計本期的結餘是22.7億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
2728.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
2729.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
那麼其中呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
2729.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
2732.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
健保基金跟國保基金是沒有餘處的 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
2732.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
2735.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
因為他們在這個有收支差短的部分呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
2735.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
2738.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
則是收回安全準備來因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
2738.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
2740.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
那麼國保基金的話呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
2740.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
2743.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
那麼原來的收支結餘361.7億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
2743.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
2747.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
則全數提列為安全準備金 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
2747.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
2748.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
來下一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
2748.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
2755.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
那麼至於在這個特別收入基金的編列來源是1399.6億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
2755.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
2758.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
那麼本年度運用基金的可用裁員 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
2758.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
2760.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
那麼來辦理長照 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
2760.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
2762.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
長照就是由長照基金來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
2762.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
2768.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
這個是1000多億長期照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
2768.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
2769.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
那麼另外還有其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
2769.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
2772.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
那麼像這個醫療發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
2772.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
2775.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
那麼藥害救濟基金等 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
2775.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
2780.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
那麼整個大概是投入1399億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
2780.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
2781.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
那麼以下呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
2781.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
2785.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
那麼有部分是比較重要的項目呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
2785.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
2787.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
也跟各位委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
2787.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
2789.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
來看往下 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
2789.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
2792.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
為健全這個醫療服務的體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
2792.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
2794.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
來提升全民健康的福祉 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
2794.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
2797.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
那麼本部呢分別推動有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
2797.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
2801.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
健康台灣的生根計畫編列60億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
2801.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
2807.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
另外推動國家癌症防治計畫編列73.1億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
2807.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
2812.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
另外對於護理人力政策的整備的中長程計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
2812.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
2815.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
則是編列公務預算68.9億元等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
2815.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
2820.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
那麼來持續優化醫療環境跟資源普及 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
2820.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
2823.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
癌症的篩檢跟慢性病的防治 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
2823.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
2827.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
那麼也擴大辦理心理健康支持措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
2827.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
2830.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
加速引進癌症新藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
2830.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
2834.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
那麼編列的癌症新藥基金50億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
2834.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
2838.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
還有使國人能夠享有 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
2838.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
2843.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
持續推動少子女化的對策等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
2843.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
2847.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
那麼讓國人能夠享有更完善跟周全的照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
2847.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
2849.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
那麼往下 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
2849.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
2851.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
那麼另外為了健全 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
2851.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
2854.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
除了這個健全醫療服務體系之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
2854.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
2856.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
那麼為了照顧弱勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
2856.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
2858.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
那麼以及因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
2858.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
2861.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
高齡化少子女化的議題也提出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
2861.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
2864.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
長照3.0計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
2864.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
2868.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
還有這個社會安全網2.0計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
2868.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
2873.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
還有這個少子女化對策2.0等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
2873.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
2879.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
那麼這一些也都分別編列相關的對應的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
2879.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
2882.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
分別是長照1106.9億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
2882.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
2884.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
少子女化對策2.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
2884.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
2886.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
335.8億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
2886.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
2888.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
那麼社會安全網2.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
2888.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
2890.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
那麼73.3億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
2890.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
2894.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
那麼另外也有身心障礙照顧的服務資源的不健計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
2894.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
2896.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
76.5億元等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
2896.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
2898.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
好 看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
2900.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
2903.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
那麼有關在長照服務的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
2903.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
2909.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
那麼主要是在辦理長期照顧服務的給付跟支付制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
2909.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
2913.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
另外社區整體的照顧服務體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
2913.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
2918.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
以及機構和社區的預防性照顧服務等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
2918.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
2921.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
那麼分別編列這個預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
2921.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
2924.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
再請各位委員參閱 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
2924.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
2925.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
那麼最後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
2925.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
2931.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
是為了建構這個友善的育兒家庭的支持體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
2931.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
2933.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
那麼優化生養的環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
2933.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
2939.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
則持續的那麼推動少子女化對策計畫2.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
2941.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
2943.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
共編列的335.8億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
2944.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
2948.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
那麼另外為了減輕這個家庭照顧者的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
2948.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
2953.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
擴增多元化的身心障礙的福利機構服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
2953.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
2958.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
那麼也編列了身心障礙照顧服務資源不健計畫76.5億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
2958.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
2962.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
那麼社安網的計畫則是編列73.3億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
2962.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
2965.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
來完備整個社會的安全體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
2965.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
2972.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
所以以上呢是就115年度的公務及基金預算的編列跟執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
2972.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
2973.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
那麼做以上的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
2973.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
2978.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
那麼均與國民的健康福祉那麼相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
2978.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
2984.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
那麼目的是在達成福利全民的政策目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
2984.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
2987.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
再請各位委員支持本部的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
2987.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
2988.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
謝謝 謝謝各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
2990.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
2991.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
謝謝石崇良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
2992.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
2995.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
現在開始巡達做一下宣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
2995.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
2999.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
有關本次會議各項書面資料均列入記錄刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
2999.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
3002.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
本會委員巡達時間6加2分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
3002.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
3003.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
內徐委員4加1分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
3003.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
3008.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
因今日下午令舉辦空氣溫暖防止法公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
3008.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
3010.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
請巡達委員留意時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
3010.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
3012.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
4點半截止發言登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
3012.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
3016.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
委員如果書面質詢請上會前提出一曲不受理 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
3016.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
3018.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
暫定4點半休息10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
3018.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
3021.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
巡邏本日部處理臨時提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
3021.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
3025.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
現在請登記第一位李立辰召委發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
3027.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
3034.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
請不吝點贊訂閱轉發打賞支持明鏡與點點欄目 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
3031.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
3033.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
謝謝主席有請石崇良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
3038.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
3039.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
好 委員早 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
3039.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
3040.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
好 部長早 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
3042.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
3046.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
部長 從上週的醫療法三讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
3046.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
3048.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
到這兩天 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
3048.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
3050.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
三班護病比的爭議非常的多 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
3050.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
3053.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
那我今天有三個問題要請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
3053.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
3054.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
今天是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
3054.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
3056.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
我覺得今天不是要去製造對立 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
3056.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
3058.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
是想請你把制度講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
3058.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
3061.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
讓護理師跟社會大眾聽得懂 信得過 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
3061.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
3063.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
首先修法過後 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
3063.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
3065.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
護病比到底怎麼算 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
3065.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
3066.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
為什麼這樣問 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
3066.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
3068.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
三班護病比到底是看全院的平均 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
3068.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
3071.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
還是分班別 病房別 科別 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
3071.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
3072.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
比例怎麼定 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
3072.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
3076.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
會不會白紙黑字放進執法或者是公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
3076.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
3077.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
另外也有人在問 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
3077.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
3081.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
精神科護理人員能力會不會被排除 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
3081.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
3082.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
請部長說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
3082.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
3085.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
跟委員說明 我們在推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
3085.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
3087.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
那麼適當的三班護病比 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
3087.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
3091.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
其實從113年就討論了很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
3091.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
3096.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
所以這一次我們的修訂醫療機構設置標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
3096.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
3100.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
那麼他的三班護病比就是採113年 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
3100.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
3103.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
大家所討論出來的那個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
3103.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
3105.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
包含了他的計算方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
3105.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
3108.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
所以這個是一個延續性的推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
3108.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
3110.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
不是今日才三班護病比 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
3110.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
3112.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
其實早在113年 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
3112.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
3117.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
我們就在行政院開始去爭取預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
3117.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
3120.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
那麼才有114年到117年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
3120.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
3124.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
這個12項的護理人力的改革的整備計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
3124.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
3129.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
來對應要推動這個三班護病比的相關的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
3129.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
3132.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
那麼所以剛剛提到的這個護病比的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
3132.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
3136.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
就是按照113年大家所共識的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
3136.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
3138.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
而他的計算方式呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
3138.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
3142.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
是以全院的急性一班病床來統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
3142.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
3144.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
那麼一起這個計算 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
3144.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
3146.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
那會不會寫到執法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
3146.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
3147.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
那麼在執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
3147.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
3149.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
在我們的設置標準裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
3149.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
3151.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
那麼就有計算標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
3151.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
3154.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
就等於把當時候的共識的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
3154.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
3156.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
包含計算的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
3156.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
3159.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
都寫入醫療機構設置標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
3159.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
3161.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
也就是醫療法的授權執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
3161.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
3164.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
也是在上週那麼立法院通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
3164.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
3167.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
那麼要求訂在這個設置標準裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
3167.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
3171.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
那麼至於精神科的病房的人力的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
3171.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
3173.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
因為當時候呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
3173.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
3175.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
那麼一直沒有共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
3175.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
3177.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
因為精神科的照顧的特性 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
3177.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
3181.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
又跟一般的這個急性一班病床 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
3181.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
3183.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
那麼又有不同的差異性 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
3183.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
3185.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
特別是主要是在療養院 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
3185.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
3187.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
這些專科醫院等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
3187.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
3189.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
所以這個也還在持續討論當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
3189.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
3192.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
那未來如果有共識討論的清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
3192.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
3193.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
訂的合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
3193.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
3196.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
那麼我們也會考慮把它再寫進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
3196.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
3198.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
所以這個會再持續討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
3198.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
3201.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
那外界批評最多的是施行時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
3201.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
3203.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
也請部長說清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
3203.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
3204.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
正式上路前 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
3204.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
3206.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
衛福部要怎麼補人 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
3206.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
3208.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
留人改善班排班 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
3208.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
3211.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
而且準備期會不會變成醫院的拖延期 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
3211.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
3214.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
更不能變成護理師權益的空窗期 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
3214.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
3215.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
好 跟我們說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
3215.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
3216.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
其實剛剛我提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
3216.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
3219.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
我們在113年把這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
3219.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
3221.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
大家討論清楚之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
3221.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
3224.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
那麼就在114年就開始推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
3224.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
3225.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
那麼在113年 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].start |
3225.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
3228.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
按照現在這樣的一個三班護病比 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
3228.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
3231.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
能夠達標的醫院大概只有三成 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
3231.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
3233.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
113年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
3233.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
3235.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
那到114年的下半年的統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
3235.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
3237.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
大概可以達到七成 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
3237.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
3240.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
不過這個七成達標的背後 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
3240.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
3242.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
那麼是有部分的醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
3242.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
3244.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
應該有相當比例的醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
3244.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
3246.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
是以官床因應的 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].start |
3246.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
3249.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
那麼特別是以中小型的醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
3249.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
3251.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
這個尤其明顯 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
3251.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
3256.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
所以如果在我們現在就立即實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
3256.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
3258.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
入法之後立即實施之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
3258.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
3259.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
那麼造成的衝擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
3259.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
3263.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
勢必又會再加重另外這三成 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
3263.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
3265.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
目前還沒有辦法拔掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
3265.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
3268.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
在這個官床的規模會擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
3268.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
3270.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
這個會整個衝擊到 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
3270.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
3272.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
這個醫療體系的運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
3272.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
3274.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
那麼也會影響到 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
3274.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
3276.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
那麼需要住院的病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
3276.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
3278.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
急診的庸舍等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
3278.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
3280.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
那因此我們還是按照 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
3280.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
3283.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
我們的這個計畫來推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
3283.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
3286.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
還是會持續的該有的預算 |
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還是會預注進去 |
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那麼循序的讓它提升上來 |
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那麼按照我們的這個統計 |
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按照目前的人力的回流情形 |
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然後在人力的缺口的預估 |
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那麼我們做的推估 |
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大概至少需要兩年的時間 |
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所以才會訂出這樣的緩衝期 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
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是第三個就是他們也在問的 |
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諮詢會拿掉之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
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那護理團體怎麼參與 |
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因為當時設定的所謂的三分之一 |
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又是什麼意思 |
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當然我們知道所有的很多委員會 |
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即便是基本公知 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
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大概都會有各個利害關係人進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
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所以有那樣的考量嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
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是真的是偏向資方嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
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請部長今天是不是一併再說明清楚 |
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好我想在任何一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
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那麼很重要的決策的時候 |
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| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
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都一定要納入相關的利害關係人 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
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那麼特別是在醫療機構設置標準裡面 |
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那麼不只是涉及到 |
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| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
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醫院的經營的永續 |
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那麼也涉及到各類的人員他的權益 |
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| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
3355.38 |
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那麼還有一方是民眾的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
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所以相關利害關係人 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
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其實在歷次修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
醫療機構設置標準的時候 |
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| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
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都是有邀請的 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
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所以我們在即使現在的法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
3372.38 |
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那麼沒有去明定出這個委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
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但是在我們討論的時候 |
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就如同上個禮拜五 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
3381.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
我們對於這個設置標準修訂的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
3385.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
也一樣邀請了這個護理團體的代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
那麼包含醫院代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
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還有這個醫用者代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
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所以這個都是需要一起 |
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| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
對 部長在修法過後 |
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你的因應的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
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我覺得可能要快速一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
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讓民眾可以了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
3403.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
事事而非或者事實上是沒有辦法講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
3405.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
反而讓民眾更多的誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
3405.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
3408.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
也讓我們的護理人員事實上是焦慮不安 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
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接下來我們就要問長照 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
今天是審預算 |
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| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
3415.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
因為印印廠超高齡的社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
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跟長照3.0上路 |
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| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
3419.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
長照基金已大概突破了1000億 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
3422.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
那未來社會發展跟長期照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
就是設法署成立之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
3427.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
事實上預算跟編制當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
我相信會擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
3431.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
那長照走到現在我們回頭檢視 |
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| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
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其實最大挑戰的就是人力 |
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| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
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那衛福部在長照3.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
3438.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
也提出兩個方向來去補足人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
3440.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
一個事實上是發展人力專業跟多元培訓 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
另外一個是導入智慧照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
來善用輔助科技 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
3447.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
3448.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
3451.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
我注意到政府這幾年其實投入很多資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
3451.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
3453.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
在推動我們的智慧照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
3457.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
包括科技導入提升我們的照顧品質的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
3457.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
3460.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
智慧雨林產業的創新計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
3460.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
3463.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
以及住宿機構的照顧品質獎勵計畫 |
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3463.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
3467.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
希望透過我們的智慧科技來減輕我們的照護員的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].start |
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可是問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
3471.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
我覺得政治效果似乎沒有達到預期 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
3471.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
3476.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
因為根據2024年的我們的住宿機構照顧品質獎勵計畫成果指標裡邊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
3481.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
其他指標當中多數通過率大概都有七成到九成 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
3485.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
可是智慧輔助照顧科技運用的五項指標裡邊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
3487.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
最高只有38% |
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| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
3490.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
那排泄資源也只有8.6% |
| transcript.whisperx[883].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
3497.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
請問住宿型機構的智慧照顧科技導入能來嚴重的落後 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
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3500.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
不然你有沒有掌握到這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
3501.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
為什麼你這樣問我 |
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3501.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
3503.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
我認為這不是機構願不願意做 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].start |
3503.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
3505.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
不是他們不願意做 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].start |
3505.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
3511.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
是因為政府根本沒有一個讓機構可以做得到的制度的一個環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
3514.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
很多住宿型機構面對的事實上是 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
3514.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
3515.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
設備成本很高 |
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3515.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
3516.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
系統整合困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
3516.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
3518.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
人員訓練不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
3518.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
3520.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
後續的維護缺乏資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
3520.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
3524.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
甚至不同廠商之間的系統不相容 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
3524.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
3526.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
機構即使想導入的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
3526.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
3530.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
也沒辦法不知道從哪裡做 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
3530.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
3533.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
尤其是通過率最低的反而是排泄資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
3533.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
3536.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
那以為輔助的這些第一線最缺工 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
3536.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
3539.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
最耗費體力的照顧工作 |
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3539.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
3544.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
那這也代表目前智慧照顧我們可能還停留在行政資訊化 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
3544.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
3546.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
而沒有真正的照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].start |
3547.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
3549.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
進入到照顧現場了 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
3549.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
3551.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
那我覺得這事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
3551.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
3554.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
我認為政府應該去盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
3554.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
3558.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
為什麼會通過率那個原因到底是什麼 |
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3558.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
3560.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
因為前一陣子我到日本去考察 |
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3560.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
3564.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
日本的那個散光會他們在推動智慧長照的一個經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
3564.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
3566.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
我認為非常值得台灣來做參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
3566.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
3569.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
日本並不是只有補助設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
3569.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
3573.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
它是建立了完整的照護的生產力的提升系統 |
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3573.77 |
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那也他們成立的跨專業領域的專業團隊來協助 |
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3577.77 |
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他們先做業務的流程分析時間研究 |
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3582.77 |
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3587.77 |
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然後再導入睡眠的感測器排泄預測的系統 |
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和儀位輔助設備 |
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3589.77 |
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3592.77 |
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和照護系統的一個紀錄系統的科技的工具 |
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3592.77 |
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3595.77 |
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同時也搭配人力培訓跟營運改革 |
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3595.77 |
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3599.77 |
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讓每一位照護員事實上是在這樣的感受下 |
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3599.77 |
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他願意投入到現場 |
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但是他們後來發現說 |
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每位照護人員照護護人數比日本全國平均提升40% |
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3608.77 |
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非常的好 |
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3613.77 |
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這就是缺工底下我們要用到的重要工具 |
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3613.77 |
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3616.77 |
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而且更重要的是日本後生勞動省 |
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3616.77 |
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3621.77 |
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還在各地設置了照護生產力提升中和諮詢中心 |
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提供機構 |
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3623.72 |
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3626.72 |
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戰事的輔導包含設備的展示 |
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3626.72 |
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專家進場 |
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3627.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
3630.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
然後教育訓練跟導入評估 |
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3630.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
3632.72 |
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而不是只有發補助而已 |
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3632.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
3635.72 |
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所以我不知道說部長我這以下的建議 |
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到底能做到嗎 |
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3638.72 |
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先你可不可以完整的盤點 |
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3642.72 |
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我們只會照顧科技通過率太低的原因 |
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3642.72 |
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3645.72 |
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來提請到底問題是成本呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].start |
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3647.72 |
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還是我們的技術成熟度 |
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3647.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].end |
3648.72 |
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我們去日本的時候 |
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3648.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].end |
3652.72 |
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他說他們也很常跟我們台灣有非常多的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
3652.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].end |
3654.72 |
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跟民間有很多的交流 |
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3654.72 |
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3656.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].text |
反而我們官方到底對這一塊 |
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3656.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].end |
3658.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
到底有沒有著力 |
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3658.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].end |
3660.72 |
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因為人家表示說他很常跟我們民間交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
3660.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].end |
3662.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].text |
所以民間有自己去採購一些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].start |
3662.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].end |
3665.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].text |
那反而我們政府到底對這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].start |
3665.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].end |
3667.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].text |
又要指標人家做 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].start |
3667.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].end |
3669.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
可是到底協助力有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
3669.72 |
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3670.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].text |
第二個是對機構的輔導 |
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3670.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].end |
3673.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].text |
不能只有說說明會跟補助申請協助 |
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3673.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].end |
3677.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
而真正到現場去協助需求評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
3677.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].end |
3678.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
甚至設備導入跟人員訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].start |
3678.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
3679.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
事實上是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].start |
3679.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
3680.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
可以做到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
3680.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
3682.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
第三未來能不能比照日本經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
3682.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
3685.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
建立更完整的我們的智慧長照支持系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].start |
3685.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
3688.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
跟委員說明確實這幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
3688.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
3693.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
我們很努力的在增加長照的人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
3693.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
3695.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
如果相較於105年來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
3695.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
3697.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
我們是成長了四倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].start |
3697.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
3699.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
從過去大概兩萬多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
3699.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
3701.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
現在是十萬人左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
3701.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
3703.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
但是各行各業都在缺工 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].start |
3703.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].end |
3704.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
都在搶人 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
3704.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].end |
3707.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
所以如何持續的羅製甚至留任 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].start |
3707.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
3709.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].text |
這個是在長照3.0裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
3709.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
3712.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
很重要的重點之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
3712.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
3714.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
其中一個就是要導入 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
3714.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
3717.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
智慧照顧科技進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
3717.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
3721.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
讓長照人員的負荷也能夠降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
3721.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
3722.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
才能夠留任 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
3722.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
3724.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
這個我們有預算編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].start |
3724.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
3727.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
在我們今天的預算書裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
3727.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
3731.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
剛剛委員所提到的排泄支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
3731.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].end |
3734.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
用科技的部分相對是比較低 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
3734.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
3737.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
當然是一方面目前看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
3737.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
3739.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
這個成本也是比較高 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
3739.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
3741.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
可選擇性也比較少 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
3741.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
3743.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
就是沒有這一類的科技的導入 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
3743.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
3747.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
委員特別提醒我們日本的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
3747.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
3749.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
我再來仔細的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
3749.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
3753.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
那麼從系統的支持上來做改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
3753.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
3757.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
麻煩我覺得未來可能要考量這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
3757.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
3759.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
否則我們沒辦法解決人力的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
3759.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
3763.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
那我們剛剛談到智慧照顧設備不動 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
3763.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
3766.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
可是連最基礎的環境智慧的科技 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
3766.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
3768.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
監測科技也就是我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
3768.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
3771.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
室內的空氣品質的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
3771.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
3772.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
好像也做不到位 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
3772.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
3774.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
環境相對濕度其實事實上是 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
3774.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
3777.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
也直接影響住民的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
3777.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
3779.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
我們的勞動部執行所的 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
3779.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
3783.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
長照場所的通風環境的調查研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
3783.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].end |
3787.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].text |
就指出長照機構除了要注意CO2的濃度外 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].start |
3787.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].end |
3788.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].text |
也必須控制濕度 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].start |
3788.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].end |
3791.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].text |
避免低溫低濕環境造成 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].start |
3791.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].end |
3793.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].text |
我們的長時間工作者跟臥床 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].start |
3793.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].end |
3796.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
住民皮膚跟口腔黏膜的受損 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].start |
3796.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
3799.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
長照機構的長輩24小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].start |
3799.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].end |
3802.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
住在一個密閉空間生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].start |
3802.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
3805.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
呼吸健康是基本的人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
3805.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
3807.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
所以我覺得根據我們的室內空氣品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].start |
3807.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
3808.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
管理法第四條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].start |
3808.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
3810.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
衛福部應該對護理跟長照機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
3810.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
3814.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
負有因輔導改善的強制法定義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
3814.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
3817.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
所以可是我看衛福部目前作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].start |
3817.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
3821.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
似乎只是把IAQ的監測 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].start |
3821.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
3825.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
當成是獎勵計畫的一項指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].start |
3825.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
3826.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
指項目而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].start |
3826.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
3828.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
所以部長這有什麼管控方法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].start |
3828.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
3830.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
好 跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
3830.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
3833.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
當然這個長照機構也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
3833.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].end |
3834.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
或護理支架也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
3834.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
3836.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
目前在評鑑裡面是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
3836.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
3838.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
不過是屬於加分項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].start |
3838.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
3840.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
對 這就是我覺得最大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].start |
3840.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
3842.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
那我們應該是循序漸進 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
3842.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
3844.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
第一個也是獎勵先行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].start |
3844.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
3846.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
先有一些獎勵的補助 |
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3846.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
3847.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
什麼去讓它提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
3847.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
3850.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
那之後就納入在評鑑裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
3850.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
3852.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
一定要評的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].start |
3852.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
3854.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
就不再只是一個加分項目 |
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3854.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
3856.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
我想按照這個循序來提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
3856.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
3858.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
整個機構的照護品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
3858.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
3860.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
這個是我們覺得是可行 |
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3860.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
3862.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
部長 那是不是衛福部可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
3862.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
3865.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
訂定獨立的護理跟長照機構的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].start |
3865.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
3867.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
IAQ的輔導計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
3867.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
3869.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
輔導這些機構改善我們的環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
3869.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
3870.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
空氣品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
3870.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
3873.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
畢竟長輩我說長時間在那邊居住 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
3873.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
3877.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
那或是研議將空氣品質管理納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
3877.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
3879.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].text |
基本項目而非加分項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
3879.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
3881.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
對 加分就變成我可以不要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
3881.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
3883.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
我沒有要加分 我其他都做好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
3883.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
3886.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
會有沒有可能改善的手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
3886.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
3888.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
可以就是說剛剛我跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
3888.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
3891.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
就是我們以輔導跟鼓勵先行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
3891.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
3893.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
獎勵輔導先行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
3893.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
3895.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
然後再納入現在是加分項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
3895.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
3897.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
最後再移入為必要項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
3897.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
3899.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
這個方向我覺得是可行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
3899.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
3902.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].text |
那至於這一個IAQ的輔導計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].start |
3902.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
3904.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].text |
我也請長照師來儘速啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].start |
3904.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
3908.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].text |
好 那儘速啟動時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
3910.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
3912.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].text |
多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].start |
3912.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
3914.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].text |
今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].start |
3917.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].end |
3919.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].text |
我就說這IAQ輔導計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].start |
3919.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].end |
3921.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].text |
我們就儘速啟動吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].start |
3923.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].end |
3925.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
三則月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
3925.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
3927.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
3927.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
3929.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
謝謝林二全召委的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
3929.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
3931.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
現在請蘇清泉委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].start |
3940.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
3942.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].start |
3942.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].end |
3944.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
等一下十點要開記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
3944.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
3946.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
保定 拜託 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
3950.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
3952.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
蘇委員早 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
3952.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
3954.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
這個從5月8號下午 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
3954.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
3959.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
我們醫療法第12條跟102條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].start |
3959.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
3961.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].text |
三讀通過之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].start |
3962.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
3964.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
三天了 差不多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].start |
3964.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
3966.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
消藥差不多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
3966.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
3968.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
請參會 我也參會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
3968.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
3970.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
你也參會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
3970.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
3972.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
我每天都看你沒參會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
3972.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
3974.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
現在這次不錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
3973.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
3975.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
那美妞真厲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
3975.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
3977.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
來 第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
3977.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
3979.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
我要跟大家報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
3979.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
3981.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
這個案子因為也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
3981.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
3983.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
陰錯陽差 我們賴總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
3983.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
3985.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
跟人家講說兩年要入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
3985.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
3987.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
所以我們副總召 我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
3987.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
3989.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].text |
蔡其昌 莊瑞雄 陳青龍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].start |
3989.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
3991.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
大家都 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
3991.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
3993.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
共同一致就是要讓他通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
3993.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
3995.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
所以 還有像我們二部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
3995.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
3997.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
我們的部長跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
3997.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
3999.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
劉司長 大家都在這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
3999.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
4001.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
4001.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
4003.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
討論 修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
4003.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
4005.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
再修正 再修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
4005.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
4007.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
事實上 到最後講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
4007.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
4009.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
這是三人的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
4009.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
4011.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
三人的版本都沒有意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
4011.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
4013.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
我們美工蘇清泉版本 廖惠強版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
4013.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
4015.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
我覺得應該要有十重兩版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
4015.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
4017.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
4017.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
4019.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
好 那現在我先講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
4022.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
4024.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
4023.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
4025.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
很 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
4025.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
4027.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
關心我們福利人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
4027.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
4029.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
國內就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
4029.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
4031.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
護理人員他們最辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
4031.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
4033.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
最辛苦 所以這個法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
4033.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
4035.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
4035.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
4037.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
也通過啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
4038.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
4040.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
他們押一半 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
4040.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
4042.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
押一半人家說拔轎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
4042.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
4044.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
轎轎要押後面 沒有人這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
4044.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
4046.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
所以在這裡 部長你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
4046.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
4048.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].text |
部員都問你 為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].start |
4049.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].end |
4051.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].text |
三讀通過之後 你要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].start |
4051.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].end |
4053.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].text |
兩年的日落條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].start |
4053.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].end |
4055.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].text |
你是憑什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].start |
4055.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].end |
4057.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].text |
你還給人家嗆說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].start |
4057.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].end |
4059.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
不然你給我押 還有這幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].start |
4059.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].end |
4061.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].text |
沒有啦 我從來不會對人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
4061.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
4063.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
放聲說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
4063.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].end |
4065.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].text |
這不是我的風格啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].start |
4065.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].end |
4067.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].text |
只是說 當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].start |
4067.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].end |
4069.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].text |
那一天的討論 那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
4069.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].end |
4071.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
部分的護理代表比較激動啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].start |
4071.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].end |
4073.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].text |
最後說要去告我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
4073.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].end |
4075.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].text |
那當然這個要訴訟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
4075.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].end |
4077.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].text |
是人民的權益啦 所以我也不會阻止他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
4077.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].end |
4079.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].text |
那我也只好接受啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
4079.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].end |
4081.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
我絕對不會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
4081.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].end |
4083.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].text |
人家嗆說你來給我押啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
4083.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].end |
4085.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
這個是要澄清 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
4085.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
4087.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
重點是在這個實施的日期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
4087.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].end |
4089.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].text |
我想就如同剛剛委員所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
4089.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].end |
4091.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
那麼在當天的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].start |
4091.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].end |
4093.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
立法院的協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
4093.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].end |
4095.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].text |
過程大致上 各黨其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
4095.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].end |
4097.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
大家都是提出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].start |
4097.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].end |
4099.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].text |
這個三班護病筆的入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].start |
4099.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].end |
4101.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].start |
4101.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].end |
4103.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].text |
所以才最後會有一個共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
4103.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
4105.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
就是修訂在醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].start |
4105.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
4107.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
機構設置標準裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
4107.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
4109.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
那麼這個是最後大家的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
4109.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
4111.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
那所以那一天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
4111.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
4113.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].text |
這個5月8號的下午 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
4113.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
4115.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
我們原定就召開醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
4115.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
4117.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
機構設置標準的修訂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
4117.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
4119.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
4119.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
4121.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
會議啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
4121.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
4123.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
那在會議當中當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
4123.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
4125.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
我們就按照了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].start |
4125.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
4127.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
立法院的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
4127.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].end |
4129.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].text |
最後通過的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].start |
4129.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].end |
4131.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].text |
是按照113年3月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].start |
4131.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].end |
4133.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].text |
所通過的三班護病筆的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].start |
4133.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].end |
4135.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].text |
讓他直接寫進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].start |
4135.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].end |
4137.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].text |
國民黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].start |
4137.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].end |
4139.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].text |
國民黨團剛剛也表示說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].start |
4139.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].end |
4141.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].text |
你法通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].start |
4141.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].end |
4143.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].text |
刪讀總統公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].start |
4143.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].end |
4145.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].text |
行政院長附屬之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].start |
4145.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].end |
4147.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
你就要趕快實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].start |
4147.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].end |
4149.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].text |
這個兩年會太久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].start |
4149.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].end |
4151.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].text |
最好三個月六個月趕快實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].start |
4151.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].end |
4153.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].text |
那有什麼問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].start |
4153.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].end |
4155.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].text |
你要講出來剛剛你有解釋了一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].start |
4155.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].end |
4157.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].text |
這個我想委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].start |
4157.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].end |
4159.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].text |
非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].start |
4159.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].end |
4161.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].text |
如果三個月或六個月實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].start |
4161.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].end |
4163.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].text |
會發生什麼事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].start |
4163.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].end |
4165.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].text |
這個衝擊會非常大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].start |
4165.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].end |
4167.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].text |
那麼我必須很負責任的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].start |
4167.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].end |
4173.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].text |
這個醫療體系的這個運作必須持續 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].start |
4173.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].end |
4175.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].text |
不能因為一個修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].start |
4175.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].end |
4177.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].text |
造成災難 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].start |
4177.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].end |
4179.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].text |
所以這個我們目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].start |
4179.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].end |
4181.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].text |
在推動三班護病筆入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].start |
4181.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].end |
4183.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].text |
其實是有他的步驟在進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].start |
4183.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].end |
4185.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].text |
我們114年就開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].start |
4185.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].end |
4187.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].text |
剛剛在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].start |
4187.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].end |
4189.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].text |
委員列的這個簡報裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].start |
4189.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].end |
4191.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].text |
也有我們有各項的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].start |
4191.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].end |
4193.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].text |
12項的改革措施在推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].start |
4193.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].end |
4195.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].text |
那也初步看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].start |
4195.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].end |
4197.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].text |
一個這個現象了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].start |
4197.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].end |
4199.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].text |
已經開始有一些效應出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].start |
4199.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].end |
4201.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].text |
但是人力的增加不是一觸可及 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].start |
4201.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].end |
4203.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].start |
4203.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].end |
4205.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].text |
那這兩天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].start |
4205.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].end |
4207.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].text |
放射的心理的營養 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].start |
4207.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].end |
4209.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].text |
都有反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].start |
4209.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].end |
4211.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].text |
說北京 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].start |
4211.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].end |
4213.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].text |
一間北京不是只有醫生給你輸而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].start |
4213.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].end |
4215.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].text |
還有13個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].start |
4215.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].end |
4217.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].text |
13個醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].start |
4217.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
4219.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].text |
放射檢驗職能治療物理治療 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].start |
4219.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].end |
4221.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].text |
或藥師都很壞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].start |
4221.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].end |
4223.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].text |
這裡都說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].start |
4223.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].end |
4225.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].text |
現在都蠢蠢欲動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].start |
4225.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].end |
4227.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].text |
這裡都差不多要發作了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].start |
4228.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].end |
4230.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].text |
那過來的層次不窮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].start |
4230.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].end |
4232.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].text |
所以我是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].start |
4232.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].end |
4234.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].text |
我們在爭取那個二分之一三分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].start |
4234.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].end |
4236.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].text |
現在全部人都搞不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].start |
4236.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].end |
4238.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].text |
什麼什麼都在挺二分之一挺三分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].start |
4238.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].end |
4240.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].text |
我是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].start |
4241.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].end |
4243.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].text |
這個未完會終究要成立嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].start |
4244.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].end |
4246.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].text |
阿里西馬里 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].start |
4246.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].end |
4248.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].text |
還有詳細要把所有醫師團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].start |
4248.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].end |
4250.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].text |
這裡都交給下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].start |
4250.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].end |
4252.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].text |
比較多人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].start |
4252.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].end |
4254.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].text |
好來檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].start |
4254.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].end |
4256.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].text |
總不能說給你一個未完會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].start |
4256.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].end |
4258.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].text |
減減一個未完會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].start |
4258.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].end |
4260.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].text |
到底你看的是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].start |
4259.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].end |
4261.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].text |
這應該是分成兩行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].start |
4261.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].end |
4263.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].text |
這是兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].start |
4263.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].end |
4265.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].text |
一個是我們在修訂法規的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].start |
4265.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].end |
4267.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].text |
相關的利害關係人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].start |
4267.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].end |
4269.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].text |
要參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].start |
4269.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].end |
4271.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].text |
這是一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].start |
4271.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].end |
4273.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].text |
那另外一個是對整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].start |
4273.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].end |
4275.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].text |
醫療相關的人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].start |
4275.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].end |
4277.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].text |
的優化的推動小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].start |
4277.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].end |
4279.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].text |
那當然就會含所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].start |
4279.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].end |
4281.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].text |
各類之類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].start |
4281.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].end |
4283.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].text |
所以這兩件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].start |
4283.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].end |
4285.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].text |
一個是一個推動的小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].start |
4285.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].end |
4287.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].text |
你要配套的時侯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].start |
4287.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].end |
4289.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].text |
但是另外在修法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].start |
4289.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].end |
4291.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].text |
要修這個設置標準的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].start |
4291.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].end |
4293.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].text |
本來就是會要邀請相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].start |
4293.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].end |
4295.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].text |
利害關係人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].start |
4295.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].end |
4297.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].text |
那麼不是相關的利害關係人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].start |
4297.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].end |
4299.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].text |
那你跟他搶不來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].start |
4299.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].end |
4301.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].text |
那造成的那個效果是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].start |
4301.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].end |
4303.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].text |
那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].start |
4303.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].end |
4305.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].text |
所以你這個諮詢委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].start |
4305.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].end |
4307.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].text |
就是有幾個是相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].start |
4307.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].end |
4309.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].text |
所以這一塊是浮動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].start |
4309.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].end |
4311.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].text |
這一塊是動態的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].start |
4311.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].end |
4313.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].text |
那下面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].start |
4313.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].end |
4315.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].text |
跟護衛者代表是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].start |
4315.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].end |
4317.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].text |
固定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].start |
4317.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].end |
4319.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].text |
這是兩件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].start |
4319.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].end |
4321.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].text |
今天要修 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].start |
4321.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].end |
4323.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].text |
設置標準的哪一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].start |
4323.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].end |
4325.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].text |
那涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].start |
4325.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].end |
4327.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].text |
比如說你如果是修到要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].start |
4327.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].end |
4329.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].text |
修急診的那當然你要相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].start |
4329.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].end |
4331.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].text |
急診的團體要進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].start |
4331.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].end |
4333.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].text |
那麼如果你是要修 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].start |
4333.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].end |
4335.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].text |
這個護理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].start |
4335.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].end |
4337.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].text |
那當然就護理的醫院的代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].start |
4337.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].end |
4339.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].text |
跟醫用者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].start |
4339.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].end |
4341.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].text |
所以這要看到時侯修的條文是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].start |
4341.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].end |
4343.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].text |
涉及的利害關係人來邀請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].start |
4343.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].end |
4345.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].text |
那至於整個的推動小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].start |
4345.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].end |
4347.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].text |
那當然就含那些的意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].start |
4347.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].end |
4349.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].text |
那我們要求 具體要求就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].start |
4349.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].end |
4351.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].text |
總統如果公告之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].start |
4351.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].end |
4353.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].text |
你這個諮詢委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].start |
4353.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].end |
4355.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].text |
你就趕快撐你 塔鐵趁熱嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
4356.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].end |
4358.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].text |
好 現在計較這小的有交代了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].start |
4362.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].end |
4364.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].text |
諮詢委員會喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].start |
4364.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].end |
4366.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].text |
對對對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
4366.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].end |
4368.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].text |
現在人家最在意的是這塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
4368.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].end |
4370.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].text |
因為你這2分之1 三分之2 扯到最後扯不清 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].start |
4370.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].end |
4372.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].text |
所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].start |
4372.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].end |
4374.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].text |
我要說現在的委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].start |
4374.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].end |
4376.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].text |
都是要法定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].start |
4376.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].end |
4378.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].text |
我們都不稱為委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].start |
4378.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].end |
4380.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].text |
我們都是推動小組啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].start |
4380.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].end |
4382.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].text |
改善了推動小組 這個我們會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].start |
4382.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].end |
4384.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].text |
本來就有啦 這本來就有了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].start |
4384.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].end |
4386.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].text |
本來就有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].start |
4386.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].end |
4388.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].text |
每一個事情我們都會有一個推動小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].start |
4388.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].end |
4390.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].text |
那對這件事情來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].start |
4390.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].end |
4392.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].text |
因為後面還有很多配套 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].start |
4392.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].end |
4394.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].text |
你不是只有一個法寫下去而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].start |
4394.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].end |
4396.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].text |
後面的配套推動的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].start |
4396.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].end |
4398.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].text |
我們就會有一個推動小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].start |
4398.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].end |
4400.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
好 那市長你把那個小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].start |
4400.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].end |
4402.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].text |
給我一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].start |
4402.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].end |
4404.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].start |
4404.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].end |
4406.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].text |
我們會來成立這個推動小組啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
4406.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].end |
4408.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].text |
不相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].start |
4408.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].end |
4410.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].text |
來 最近這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].start |
4410.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].end |
4412.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].text |
廢廢洋洋 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].start |
4412.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].end |
4414.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].text |
整個民主黨什麼什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].start |
4414.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].end |
4416.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].text |
那是都整鎖嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].start |
4416.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].end |
4418.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].text |
愛爾力啦 光澤啦 聖宜啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].start |
4418.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].end |
4420.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].text |
嚴一鳴這些都是整鎖嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].start |
4422.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].end |
4424.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].text |
還是這是理容院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].start |
4425.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].end |
4427.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].text |
目前我們掌握的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].start |
4427.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].end |
4429.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].text |
我們掌握的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].start |
4429.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].end |
4431.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].text |
要魔院理由為主啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].start |
4431.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].end |
4433.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].text |
不是醫療機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].start |
4433.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].end |
4435.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].text |
所以都是有醫師登入在裡面的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].start |
4435.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].end |
4437.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].text |
目前都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].start |
4437.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].end |
4439.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].text |
這醫生怎麼死的他怎麼知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].start |
4439.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].end |
4441.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].text |
裡面小三小三他怎麼知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].start |
4441.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].end |
4443.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].text |
這就要調查之後才會提起責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].start |
4443.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].end |
4445.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].text |
你也是有所害者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].start |
4445.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].end |
4447.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].text |
他好像要給你掛名了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].start |
4447.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].end |
4449.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].text |
市長你也醫生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].start |
4449.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].end |
4451.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].text |
拿你的名字掛了掛了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].start |
4451.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].end |
4453.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].text |
就讓你來死了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].start |
4453.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].end |
4455.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].text |
但是跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].start |
4455.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].end |
4457.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].text |
我們每一家醫療機構有一個負責醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].start |
4457.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].end |
4459.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].text |
負責醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].start |
4459.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].end |
4461.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].text |
不能說他不知情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].start |
4462.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].end |
4464.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].text |
所以這個既當是負責醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].start |
4464.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].end |
4466.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].text |
你不能說我什麼都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].start |
4466.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].end |
4468.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].text |
我看這些連鎖的老闆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].start |
4468.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].end |
4470.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].text |
這個連鎖老闆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].start |
4470.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].end |
4472.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].text |
大家都不三不四 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].start |
4472.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].end |
4474.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].text |
我看那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].start |
4474.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].end |
4476.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].text |
我真不相信他有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].start |
4476.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].end |
4478.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].text |
大學什麼道德崇高不可能的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].start |
4478.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].end |
4480.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].text |
都賺錢而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].start |
4480.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].end |
4482.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].text |
這個醫生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].start |
4482.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].end |
4484.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].text |
我做過全年費理事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].start |
4484.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].end |
4486.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].text |
這個醫生要保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].start |
4486.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].end |
4488.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].text |
這件金屬可能是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].start |
4488.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].end |
4490.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].text |
半百間下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].start |
4490.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].end |
4492.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].text |
沒有一間是承接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].start |
4492.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].end |
4494.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].text |
裡面設備設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].start |
4494.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].end |
4496.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].text |
生煙氣放監視器 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].start |
4496.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].end |
4498.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].text |
在那些鄉鄉婆的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].start |
4498.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].end |
4500.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].text |
什麼國外去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].start |
4500.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].end |
4502.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].text |
台中東南亞去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].start |
4502.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].end |
4504.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].text |
幾十億有這個事情嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].start |
4504.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].end |
4506.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].text |
你問大行都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].start |
4506.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].end |
4508.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].text |
現在都要調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].start |
4508.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].end |
4510.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].text |
誤網誤眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].start |
4510.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].end |
4512.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].text |
因為這些個案的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].start |
4512.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].end |
4514.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].text |
有一些不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].start |
4514.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].end |
4516.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].text |
有些是有目的性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].start |
4516.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].end |
4518.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].text |
那這個我剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].start |
4518.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].end |
4520.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].text |
之前就已經提到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].start |
4520.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].end |
4522.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].text |
不可原諒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].start |
4522.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].end |
4524.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].text |
這絕對是庭業處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].start |
4524.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].end |
4526.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].text |
我要向市長調皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].start |
4526.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].end |
4528.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].text |
我們這些醫界的醫生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].start |
4528.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].end |
4530.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].text |
去做人的負責人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].start |
4530.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].end |
4532.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].text |
要怎麼告知 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].start |
4532.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].end |
4534.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].text |
要怎麼教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].start |
4534.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].end |
4536.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].text |
不然我去用電機 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].start |
4536.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].end |
4538.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].text |
我看這個很慘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].start |
4539.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].end |
4541.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].text |
市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].start |
4541.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].end |
4543.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].text |
當然這個負責醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].start |
4543.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].end |
4545.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].text |
就是他有一定該負的法律責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].start |
4545.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].end |
4547.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].text |
這也跑不掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].start |
4547.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].end |
4549.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].text |
不然這個阿伯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].start |
4549.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].end |
4551.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].text |
負責醫師的大家輪流當就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].start |
4551.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].end |
4553.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].text |
沒有這種事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].start |
4553.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].end |
4555.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].text |
要去跟他們告知跟教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].start |
4555.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].end |
4557.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].text |
我的意思是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].start |
4557.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].end |
4559.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].text |
我補充一下十年前在美文學 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].start |
4559.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].end |
4561.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].text |
那時候有一陣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].start |
4561.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].end |
4563.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].text |
是真的很亂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].start |
4563.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].end |
4565.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].text |
甚至就是說請那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].start |
4565.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].end |
4567.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].text |
已經七老八十的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].start |
4567.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].end |
4569.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].text |
真的就是掛牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].start |
4569.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].end |
4571.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].text |
在那時候其實就已經跟醫師公會全聯會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].start |
4571.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].end |
4573.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].text |
做過合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].start |
4573.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
4575.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
超過七十歲以上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].start |
4575.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
4577.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
醫師要重新第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].start |
4577.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
4579.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
職業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].start |
4579.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
4581.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
這件事情其實會加強監管 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].start |
4581.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].end |
4583.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].text |
所以相關的該去維護 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
4583.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].end |
4585.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].text |
醫師權益的部分我們其實會跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
4585.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
4587.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
醫師公會全聯會合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
4587.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
4589.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].text |
可是違法這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
4589.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
4591.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
今天的重點第一件事情是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
4591.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
4593.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
違法我們醫療院所沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
4593.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
4595.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
用真孔攝影機的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
4595.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
4597.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
監視器的這種必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
4597.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
4599.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
所以這些的行為是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
4599.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
4601.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
沒辦法接受第二件事情是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
4602.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
4604.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
怎麼樣讓醫師合規的走這條路 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
4604.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
4606.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
這邊的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].start |
4606.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
4608.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].text |
其實我們其實已經跟相關的團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
4608.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
4610.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
我們約好5月13號下午來做開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
4610.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
4612.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
把該做的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
4612.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
4614.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
違法跟正常應該有的合理的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
4614.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
4616.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
合作一個理性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
4616.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
4618.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
譬如說哪個地方可以裝監視器 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
4618.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
4620.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
就走道啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
4620.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
4622.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
公共的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
4622.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
4624.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
那診間啊什麼整療室 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
4624.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
4626.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
那個不行要寫要講清楚啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
4626.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
4628.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
4628.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
4630.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
過去就有定過啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
4630.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
4632.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
4633.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
4635.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
公共場域為裝設的地點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
4635.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
4637.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
這是為了安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
4637.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
4639.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
公共安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
4639.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
4641.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
那麼不可針對特定人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
4641.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
4643.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
做攝錄影 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
4643.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
4645.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
如果要做的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
4645.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
4647.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
那必須要告知同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
4648.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
4650.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
搞搞搞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
4650.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
4652.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
在這兩三個點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
4652.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
4654.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
我看那個Case 都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
4654.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
4656.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
都大家亂簽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
4656.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
4658.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
就像我們在買保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
4658.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
4660.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
簽八十張 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
4660.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
4662.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
我們這次保險就這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
4662.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
4664.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
但過去都不會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
4664.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
4666.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
只是簽同意書 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].start |
4666.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
4668.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
一定是告知同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
4668.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
4670.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].text |
因為說明的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
4670.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
4672.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
4672.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
4674.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
衛福部卓武胖帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
4674.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
4676.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
本來是沒醫生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
4676.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
4678.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
醫療行為的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].start |
4678.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].end |
4680.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].text |
醫事司跟部長裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].start |
4680.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].end |
4682.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].text |
是要擔最大的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].start |
4682.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].end |
4684.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].text |
責任一定責任你啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].start |
4684.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].end |
4686.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].text |
要責任誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].start |
4685.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].end |
4687.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].text |
這個一定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].start |
4687.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].end |
4689.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].text |
我們會有一個統一的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].start |
4689.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].end |
4691.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].text |
要照照這個規範來執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].start |
4691.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].end |
4693.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].text |
地方會去落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].start |
4693.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].end |
4695.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].text |
集合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].start |
4695.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].end |
4697.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].text |
加強查緝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].start |
4697.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].end |
4699.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].text |
要怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].start |
4699.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].end |
4701.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].text |
要趕快明確出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].start |
4701.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].end |
4703.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].text |
然後怎麼規範要趕快 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].start |
4703.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].end |
4705.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].text |
全國都盯著在看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].start |
4705.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].end |
4707.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].text |
部長 認重道遠 責任重大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].start |
4707.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].end |
4709.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].text |
這一次是那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].start |
4709.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].end |
4711.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].text |
非常離譜的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].start |
4711.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].end |
4713.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].text |
違法的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].start |
4713.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].end |
4715.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].text |
自己嚴查嚴處 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].start |
4715.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].end |
4717.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].start |
4719.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].end |
4721.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].text |
現在請求證軍委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].start |
4727.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].end |
4729.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].text |
主席好啊 我們請石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].start |
4729.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].end |
4731.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].text |
請石朝良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].start |
4734.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].end |
4736.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].text |
邱委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].start |
4736.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].end |
4738.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].text |
部長好 上週五國民黨跟民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].start |
4738.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].end |
4740.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].text |
通過醫師法的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].start |
4740.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].end |
4742.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].text |
把三班護幣法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].start |
4742.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].end |
4744.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].text |
入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].start |
4744.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].end |
4746.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].text |
那雖然過程還沒有很完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].start |
4746.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].end |
4748.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].text |
有點遺憾 但大家都還能接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].start |
4748.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].end |
4750.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].text |
但我還是看到我們民進黨委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].start |
4750.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].end |
4752.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].text |
不贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].start |
4753.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].end |
4755.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].text |
當初提這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].start |
4755.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].end |
4759.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].text |
是我們賴清朵總統候選人說要提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].start |
4759.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].end |
4761.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].text |
那最初的承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].start |
4761.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].end |
4763.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].text |
承諾護幣比要立法的也是蔡英文主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].start |
4763.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].end |
4765.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].text |
那我看不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].start |
4765.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].end |
4767.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].text |
為什麼民進黨要反對咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].start |
4766.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].end |
4768.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].text |
跟委員說明這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].start |
4768.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].end |
4770.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].text |
民進黨沒有反對 三黨都有版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].start |
4770.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].end |
4772.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].text |
可是我看到大家好像不太開心的樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].start |
4772.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].end |
4774.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].text |
是不夠好還是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].start |
4774.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].end |
4776.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].text |
主要是在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].start |
4776.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].end |
4778.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].text |
我們民進黨委員的版本裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].start |
4778.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].end |
4780.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].text |
也有這個自議會的設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].start |
4780.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].end |
4782.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].text |
那麼主要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].start |
4782.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].end |
4784.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].text |
三個方面的代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].start |
4784.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].end |
4786.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].text |
包含護理代表三分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].start |
4786.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].end |
4788.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].text |
那麼醫界的代表三分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].start |
4788.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].end |
4790.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].text |
跟民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].start |
4790.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].end |
4792.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].text |
這個醫用者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].start |
4792.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].end |
4794.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].text |
跟專家學者代表三分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].start |
4794.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].end |
4796.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].text |
所以是有這樣的設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].start |
4796.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].end |
4798.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].text |
但是最後的版本是沒有採納這樣的設計 |
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因為已經講了很久了 |
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那今年是第十年 |
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現在我替民進黨 |
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來完成十年沒有辦法兌現的承諾 |
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那部長又要說 |
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要到117年5月 |
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才真正執行 |
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那按照你的說法 |
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我想確認一下 |
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過去只要卓榮泰院長不滿意的法案 |
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他就是不附屬嘛 |
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不執行不編預算 |
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你們的說法 |
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這是卓院長是要旅行義務嗎 |
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不會 |
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在這個立法 |
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4832.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].text |
醫療法的修法裡面 |
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他會附屬 |
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會附屬這項修正嗎 |
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會啊會啊 |
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那既然法律要公佈 |
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4842.98 |
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為什麼你們要兩年 |
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我想這個委員來自苗栗最清楚 |
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像苗栗這樣醫療資源 |
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相對比較不容易羅制的 |
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如果我們現在就施行的話 |
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恐怕會造成苗栗地區的民眾的就醫 |
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會更困難 |
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這個我知道 |
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這一定會有 |
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出其來 |
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但是我相信他會越來越好 |
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總是要跨出第一步 |
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那當然這是剛開始 |
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一定會有一點點不順利 |
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4870.98 |
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那未來如果說人力投入之後 |
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我想慢慢就會改善 |
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所以委員我們大家 |
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一起來努力 |
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一定會逐步提升 |
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4880.98 |
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我們按照現在的人力缺口 |
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會團體是希望是116年12月開始 |
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那你們說 |
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4886.98 |
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傳染病可能會在冬天發生 |
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所以到117年5月 |
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4890.98 |
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才要真正執行 |
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4890.98 |
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4892.98 |
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這是一位的選舉嗎 |
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還是怎麼樣 |
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4896.98 |
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因為我們每年大家都了解 |
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流感季的發生就是發生在冬季 |
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特別是在11 12月開始 |
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一些流感的重症會發生 |
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4904.98 |
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然後一直到過年 |
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這一段其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].start |
4906.98 |
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4908.98 |
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其實是這個疾病 |
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4908.98 |
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4910.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].text |
惡化或者急重症比較多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].start |
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4912.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].text |
然後再碰到過年的長假 |
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4914.98 |
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那麼之後 |
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又有一波的離子潮 |
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4916.98 |
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4918.98 |
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一般各行各業都有類似這樣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1520].end |
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所以我希望你們 |
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4922.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].text |
因為一定會把這個東西上路 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].start |
4922.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].end |
4924.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].text |
不要讓急症擁捨的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].start |
4924.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].end |
4926.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].text |
再發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1524].end |
4928.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].text |
那我再請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].start |
4928.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].end |
4930.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].text |
114年度單位預算評估報告裡面 |
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4930.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].end |
4932.98 |
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在衛福部裡面 |
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4932.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].end |
4934.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].text |
說到114年度 |
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4934.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].end |
4936.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].text |
單位預算評估報告裡面說 |
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4936.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].end |
4938.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].text |
112年9月28日 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].start |
4938.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].end |
4942.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].text |
台灣護理人力供需分析與政策整備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].start |
4942.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].end |
4944.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].text |
那預估三班護病比新制實施之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].start |
4944.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].end |
4948.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].text |
會有7553人短缺 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].start |
4948.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].end |
4950.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].text |
那您在5月8日開記者會說 |
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4950.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].end |
4954.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].text |
目前盤點還有3到5000人的缺口 |
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4954.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].end |
4956.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].text |
大概還有7成醫院達標 |
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4956.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].end |
4958.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].text |
那確實會有關床的這個狀況 |
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4958.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].end |
4960.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].text |
而且地區醫院關床率最高 |
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4960.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].end |
4962.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].text |
達標率也最高 |
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4962.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].end |
4964.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].text |
這說明這個達標率 |
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4964.98 |
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4966.98 |
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可能不是補人力 |
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4966.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].end |
4968.98 |
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而是補關床是不是 |
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4968.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].end |
4970.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].text |
你是用關床來調整 |
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4970.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].end |
4972.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].text |
他也是有鼓勵這個 |
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4972.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].end |
4974.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].text |
增加的人力 |
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4974.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].end |
4976.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].text |
他的這個獎勵有兩種 |
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4976.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].end |
4978.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].text |
一種是達標 |
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4978.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].end |
4980.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].text |
達標的目的就是讓護理人員臨床的 |
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4980.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].end |
4982.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].text |
第一線的負擔他已經下降了 |
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4982.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].end |
4984.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].text |
第二個是他有增聘人力 |
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4984.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].end |
4986.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].text |
也有一個獎勵 |
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4986.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].end |
4988.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].text |
所以他的獎勵內容是有兩個 |
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4988.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].end |
4990.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].text |
我看到在115年2月 |
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4990.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].end |
4992.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].text |
在醫院的VPN的登錄 |
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4992.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].end |
4994.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].text |
極限的一般病床 |
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4994.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].end |
4996.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].text |
三班護病比 |
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4996.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].end |
4998.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].text |
顯示有效醫院384家 |
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4998.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].end |
5000.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].text |
三班護病比 |
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5000.98 |
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5002.98 |
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都有達標到91% |
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5002.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].end |
5004.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].text |
那分開醫學中心89 |
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5004.98 |
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5006.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].text |
區域醫院91.5 |
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5006.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].end |
5008.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].text |
那地區醫院91.6 |
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5008.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].end |
5010.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].text |
都高於你說的7成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].start |
5010.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].end |
5012.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].text |
對不對 |
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5012.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].end |
5014.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].text |
你們這個為什麼數據會差這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].start |
5014.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].end |
5016.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].text |
是因為 |
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5016.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].end |
5018.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].text |
你們自己去調整還是說各講各的 |
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5018.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].end |
5020.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].text |
還是說花了錢沒有效果 |
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5020.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].end |
5022.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].text |
跟委員說明這個人力就是浮動的 |
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5022.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].end |
5024.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].text |
所以我講的7成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].start |
5024.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].end |
5026.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].text |
是整個所有的醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].start |
5026.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].end |
5028.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].text |
算起來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].start |
5028.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].end |
5030.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].text |
三班護病比 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].start |
5030.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].end |
5032.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].text |
那個是在去年的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].start |
5032.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].end |
5034.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].text |
那現在更新的資料當然他又上來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].start |
5034.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].end |
5036.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].text |
不過這邊還有一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].start |
5036.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].end |
5038.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].text |
是因為床數沒有開 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].start |
5038.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].end |
5040.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].text |
你是關了很多床 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].start |
5040.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].end |
5042.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].text |
所以你們用關床 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].start |
5042.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].end |
5044.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].text |
來演示數字嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].start |
5044.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].end |
5046.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].start |
5046.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].end |
5048.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].text |
因為實際上還是讓護理人員的負荷下降了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].start |
5048.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].end |
5050.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].text |
那我們的人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].start |
5050.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].end |
5052.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].text |
之前做的獎勵政策到底有沒有效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].start |
5052.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].end |
5054.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].text |
有效 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].start |
5054.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].end |
5056.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].text |
以今年的3月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].start |
5056.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].end |
5058.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].text |
關床還是關啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].start |
5058.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].end |
5060.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].text |
以今年的3月為例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].start |
5060.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].end |
5062.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].text |
已經到去年同期3月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].start |
5062.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].end |
5064.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].text |
是增加護理人力近5000名 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].start |
5064.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].end |
5066.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].text |
4900多位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].start |
5066.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].end |
5068.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].text |
所以人力是有增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].start |
5068.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].end |
5070.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].text |
但是因為你的護病比的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].start |
5070.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].end |
5072.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].text |
他需要的人力更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].start |
5072.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].end |
5074.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].text |
這個還要再繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].start |
5074.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].end |
5076.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].text |
所以這個人力的缺口需要去補起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].start |
5076.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].end |
5078.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].text |
所以你們寫的數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].start |
5078.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].end |
5080.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].text |
就讓人家看不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].start |
5080.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].end |
5082.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].text |
就是你們用關床 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].start |
5082.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].end |
5084.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].text |
然後把數字拉高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].start |
5084.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].end |
5086.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].text |
可是護理人員有進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].start |
5086.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].end |
5088.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].text |
可能效果沒有那麼好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].start |
5088.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].end |
5090.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].start |
5090.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].end |
5092.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].text |
可能是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].start |
5092.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
5094.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].text |
所以我希望部長您上任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].start |
5094.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].end |
5096.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].text |
就是現在要把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].start |
5096.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].end |
5098.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].text |
三班護病比要把它做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].start |
5098.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].end |
5100.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].text |
那我希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].start |
5100.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].end |
5102.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].text |
你們不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].start |
5102.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].end |
5104.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].text |
還是學醫的啦不要被學法的帶壞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].start |
5104.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].end |
5106.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].start |
5106.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].end |
5108.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].text |
沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].start |
5108.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].end |
5110.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].text |
我們一定會讓他落地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].start |
5110.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].end |
5112.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].text |
落實去推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].start |
5112.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].end |
5114.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].text |
我現在要請部長現場做一個澄清 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].start |
5114.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].end |
5116.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].text |
現在網路上有一些粉專 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].start |
5116.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].end |
5118.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].text |
正在公開煽動醫師說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].start |
5118.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].end |
5120.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].text |
醫師為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].start |
5120.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].end |
5122.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].text |
不要求這個比例入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].start |
5122.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].end |
5124.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].text |
那這種言論顯然是分化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].start |
5124.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].end |
5126.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].text |
醫護關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].start |
5126.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].end |
5128.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].text |
那愛滋護理人員爭取入法是多此一舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].start |
5128.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].end |
5130.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].text |
部長您身為醫療首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].start |
5130.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].end |
5132.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].text |
您有沒有必要導致這個試聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].start |
5134.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].end |
5136.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].text |
委員的問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].start |
5136.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].end |
5138.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].text |
什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].start |
5138.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].end |
5140.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].text |
我們有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].start |
5140.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].end |
5142.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].text |
網路上有一個言論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].start |
5142.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].end |
5144.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].start |
5144.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].end |
5146.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].text |
醫師為什麼沒有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].start |
5146.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].end |
5148.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].text |
比例入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].start |
5148.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].end |
5150.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].text |
像這個部分 他們在炒這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].start |
5153.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].end |
5155.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].text |
其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].start |
5155.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].end |
5157.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].text |
也不是沒有比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].start |
5157.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].end |
5159.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].text |
像我們過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].start |
5159.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].end |
5161.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].text |
就有這個合理門診量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].start |
5161.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].end |
5163.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].text |
就是一位醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].start |
5163.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].end |
5165.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].text |
在這個看診的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].start |
5165.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].end |
5167.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].text |
那麼如果你人數太多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].start |
5167.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].end |
5169.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].text |
那麼也是會造成品質的下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].start |
5169.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].end |
5171.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].text |
所以我們才會有合理門診量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].start |
5171.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].end |
5173.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].text |
過去十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].start |
5173.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].end |
5175.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].text |
醫師團體要的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].start |
5175.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].end |
5177.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].text |
要受顧醫師的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].start |
5177.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].end |
5179.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].text |
醫師納入勞基法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].start |
5179.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].end |
5181.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].text |
而非單純的比例入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].start |
5181.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].end |
5183.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].text |
所以我們也掛過醫師薪資跟健保點值 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].start |
5183.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].end |
5185.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].text |
那我目前還沒有聽到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].start |
5185.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].end |
5187.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].text |
醫師團體說要自我設限 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].start |
5187.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].end |
5189.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].text |
爭取這個醫師病人比的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].start |
5189.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].end |
5191.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].text |
那這狀況跟護理師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].start |
5191.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].end |
5193.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].text |
要求的這個24小時連續照護 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].start |
5193.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].end |
5195.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].text |
的人力保障是完全不一樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].start |
5195.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].end |
5197.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].text |
我希望說把這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].start |
5197.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].end |
5199.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].text |
我認為有需要跟外界 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].start |
5199.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].end |
5201.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].text |
來講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].start |
5201.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].end |
5203.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].text |
那再請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].start |
5203.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].end |
5205.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].start |
5205.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].end |
5207.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].text |
部立醫院苗栗醫院的急症症大樓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].start |
5207.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].end |
5209.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].text |
你說115年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].start |
5209.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].end |
5213.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].text |
預算編列1億1327萬7千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].start |
5213.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].end |
5215.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].text |
加上以前這個前年的保留數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].start |
5215.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].end |
5217.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].text |
那今年可用的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].start |
5217.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].end |
5219.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].text |
超過2億4千萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].start |
5219.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].end |
5221.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].text |
可是現在到115年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].start |
5221.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].end |
5223.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].text |
3月底實際 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].start |
5223.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].end |
5225.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].text |
執行數只有5千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].start |
5225.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].end |
5227.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].text |
那執行率只有0.7% |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].start |
5227.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].end |
5229.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].text |
那部長招標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].start |
5229.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].end |
5231.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].text |
現在是卡住嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].start |
5231.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].end |
5233.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].text |
我請執行長說明一下苗栗醫院的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
5233.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].end |
5235.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
好 跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].start |
5235.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].end |
5237.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].text |
現在他們正在上網 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].start |
5237.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].end |
5239.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].text |
招標中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].start |
5239.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].end |
5241.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].text |
那就是之前有留標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].start |
5241.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].end |
5243.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].text |
不過我們一般來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].start |
5243.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].end |
5245.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].text |
從這個裡面的他簡向 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].start |
5245.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].end |
5247.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].text |
在裡面變更裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].start |
5247.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].end |
5249.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].text |
這一次的應該是沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].start |
5249.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].end |
5251.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].text |
大概到6月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].start |
5251.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].end |
5253.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].text |
6月份可以上網嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].start |
5253.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].end |
5255.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].text |
已經上了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].start |
5255.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].end |
5257.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].text |
那他現在什麼問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].start |
5254.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].end |
5256.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].text |
他現在不是 他就等標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].start |
5256.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].end |
5258.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].text |
地目那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].start |
5258.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].end |
5260.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].text |
那些都弄好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].start |
5260.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].end |
5262.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].text |
都沒有問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].start |
5262.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].end |
5264.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].text |
那我希望盡快了 好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].start |
5264.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].end |
5266.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].text |
因為大家都在期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].start |
5266.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].end |
5268.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].text |
謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].start |
5268.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].end |
5270.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].text |
謝謝政軍委員的發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].start |
5270.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].end |
5272.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].text |
接下來請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].start |
5281.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].end |
5283.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].text |
謝謝主席 我們有請石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].start |
5283.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].end |
5285.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].text |
有請石成良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].start |
5287.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].end |
5289.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].text |
王委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].start |
5289.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].end |
5291.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].text |
部長好 部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].start |
5291.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].end |
5293.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].text |
三班戶並比上路 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].start |
5293.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].end |
5295.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].text |
現在看起來是一言再言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].start |
5295.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].end |
5297.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].text |
這個戶裡是公會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].start |
5298.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].end |
5300.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].text |
非常的憤怒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].start |
5300.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].end |
5302.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].text |
覺得他們的訴求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].start |
5302.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].end |
5304.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].text |
這十年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].start |
5304.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].end |
5306.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].text |
就是已經等很久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].start |
5306.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].end |
5308.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].text |
那上個禮拜國民黨跟民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].start |
5308.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].end |
5310.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].text |
在立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].start |
5310.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].end |
5312.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].text |
我們合作把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].start |
5312.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].end |
5314.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].text |
醫療法十二條已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].start |
5314.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].end |
5316.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].text |
修改完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].start |
5316.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].end |
5318.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].text |
也把113年3月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].start |
5318.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].end |
5320.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].text |
這個你們自己公告實施的戶並比 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].start |
5320.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].end |
5322.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].text |
正式入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].start |
5322.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].end |
5324.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].text |
但是你現在告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].start |
5324.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].end |
5326.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].text |
要實施的日期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].start |
5326.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
5328.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].text |
要等到117年的5月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].start |
5330.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].end |
5332.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].text |
這真的是拖延太久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].start |
5332.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].end |
5334.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].text |
如果我們看當時你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].start |
5334.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].end |
5336.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].text |
113年3月1號就已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].start |
5336.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].end |
5338.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].text |
公告實施標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].start |
5338.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].end |
5340.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].text |
事實上已經開始啟動準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].start |
5340.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].end |
5342.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].text |
你的準備期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].start |
5342.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].end |
5346.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].text |
要一直延到117年5月1號才上路 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].start |
5346.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].end |
5348.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].text |
這整整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].start |
5349.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].end |
5351.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].text |
準備的時間超過四年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].start |
5353.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].end |
5355.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].text |
我覺得這個對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].start |
5355.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].end |
5357.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
殷奇判的這些護理師們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].start |
5357.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].end |
5359.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
真的是不公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].start |
5359.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].end |
5361.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].text |
那所以今天我要跟你探討的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].start |
5361.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
5363.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
為什麼護理師公會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].start |
5363.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
5365.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
他們的訴求也沒有讓你立即上路 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].start |
5365.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].end |
5367.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
當天開會的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
5367.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
5369.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
他們要的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
5369.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
5373.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
至少你要116年12月31號上路 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
5373.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].end |
5375.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
我分析過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
5375.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
5377.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
在提前的五個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
5377.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
5379.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
有這麼困難嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
5379.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
5381.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
我覺得一點都不困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
5381.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
5383.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
你如果從現在開始起算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
5383.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
5385.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
你事實上113年就開始準備了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
5385.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
5387.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
你如果從現在再準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
5387.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
5389.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
也足足有超過一年半的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
5389.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
5391.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
按照你的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
5391.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
5393.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
你說113年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
5393.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
5395.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
這個落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
5395.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
5397.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
三班戶並比的有三成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
5398.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
5400.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
一年的時間就成長到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
5400.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
5402.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
114年就到七成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].start |
5402.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].end |
5404.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].text |
今年還沒年底 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].start |
5404.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].end |
5406.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].text |
我要問你的是你今年的目標是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].start |
5406.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].end |
5408.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
如果再努力個一年半 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].start |
5408.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
5410.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
為什麼明年底 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
5410.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
5412.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
沒有辦法正式實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].start |
5412.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
5414.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
只要你的相關配套 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
5414.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].end |
5416.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
繼續提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].start |
5416.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
5418.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
我覺得那是一個很好的動力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].start |
5418.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
5420.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
事實上衛福部你手上握有資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
5420.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
5422.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
你獎勵跑在前面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].start |
5422.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].end |
5424.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].text |
大家不會跟進嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].start |
5424.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].end |
5426.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].text |
這個叫做正向循環 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
5426.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
5428.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
但是你一言再言之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
5428.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
5430.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
本席要告訴你的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
5430.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
5432.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
你會造成的是惡性循環 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
5432.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
5434.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].text |
讓更多持有護理證的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
5434.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
5436.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].text |
在門外觀望 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
5436.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
5438.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
因為他沒有看到政府的決心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
5438.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
5440.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
另外一個本席要告訴你的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
5440.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
5442.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].text |
如果你是117年5月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].start |
5442.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].end |
5444.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].text |
才上路的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].start |
5444.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
5446.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
現在總統於不意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
5446.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
5448.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
他是正式宣告跳票 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].start |
5448.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
5450.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
5450.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
5452.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
2028的選舉我直接告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
5452.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
5456.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
2028選舉不是5月1號才投票 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
5456.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
5458.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].text |
1月就投票了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].start |
5458.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
5460.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].text |
所以也等同正式宣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
5460.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
5462.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
他其實就是跳票了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
5462.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
5464.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
所以我認為就你部長的職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
5464.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
5466.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
你也認為三班護病比很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
5466.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
5468.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
護理師也說這個法治化很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
5468.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].end |
5470.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
很好的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
5470.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
5472.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
為什麼不要加速前進 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
5472.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].end |
5474.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
為什麼116年12月31號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
5474.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
5476.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
只是有這麼的困難嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
5476.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
5478.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
5478.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].end |
5480.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
先跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
5480.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
5482.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
總統的任期是到117年5月20號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
5482.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].end |
5484.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
我知道投票1月就通了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].start |
5484.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
5486.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
5月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
5486.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
5488.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
不會啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
5488.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
5490.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
這個如果怕跳票再投給總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].start |
5490.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].end |
5492.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
他就一定會落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
5492.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
5494.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
所以這個沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].start |
5494.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
5496.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
部長你這個失言了 |
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沒有輪替的話一定會落實 |
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因為就是5月1號 |
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因為他保證是兩年入法 |
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已經跳票了啦 |
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沒有跳票 |
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因為在114年 |
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我們是113年討論 |
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114年編列預算開始推動 |
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那麼經過一年 |
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才看到效果 |
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那所以我們按照推動 |
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推動的這個時間點 |
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不三成到七成成長很多 |
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跟委員說明啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].start |
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這個達標的背後 |
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其實還有相當比例的醫院 |
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其實他是 |
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沒有開床啦 |
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所以我們希望的是 |
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在不關床的情形之下去 |
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達標 |
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而不是用關床來達標啦 |
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達標之後是 |
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關床醫療量能 |
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萎縮之後 |
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會影響到病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].start |
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這個我們也必須同時橫屏的考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].start |
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但你不能一直倒果為因啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].start |
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讓醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1821].end |
5556.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].text |
讓醫院拿關床作為藉口 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1822].end |
5558.61 |
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然後遲遲不肯去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].start |
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去徵聘人理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].start |
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不會不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].start |
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我們的獎勵是分兩種 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].start |
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一種是達標獎勵 |
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一種是有徵聘人力的時候有獎勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].start |
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我們是兩個在並行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].start |
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所以才可以看得到人力有回流嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].start |
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所以我說這個獎勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].start |
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你要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].start |
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5578.61 |
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你也可以甚至再加碼嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].start |
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獎勵是前提這個我同意嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].start |
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你鼓勵然後有資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].start |
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然後讓醫院盡快達標嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1836].end |
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但是你不能把關床 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].start |
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當作理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1838].end |
5590.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].text |
讓有一些醫院不肯徵聘人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1839].end |
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然後用關床 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1840].end |
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用這樣子的技術性來拿你的獎金 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1841].end |
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這個我們也不允許啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1842].end |
5598.61 |
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整個醫療界要好就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1843].end |
5600.61 |
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他是真正聘了足夠的人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1844].end |
5602.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].text |
讓護理師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1845].end |
5604.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].text |
願意長期久任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1846].end |
5606.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].text |
你的醫療體系才會健全嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1847].end |
5608.61 |
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因為我看到你再說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].start |
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哎呀還要再多五個月到117年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1849].end |
5612.61 |
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五月上路你講的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].start |
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不好意思我覺得那個都不是理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].start |
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因為那個都是每一年會發生的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1852].end |
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你說冬季疾病比較多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1853].end |
5620.61 |
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然後你說有的人就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1854].end |
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領完年終獎金會離職 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1855].end |
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那個每一年的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1856].end |
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都是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1857].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1857].text |
所以那個不應該成為拖延的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1858].end |
5630.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].text |
其實我真的要建議部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1859].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1859].text |
這件事情可以變成是你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1860].end |
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任內很好的政績 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1861].end |
5636.61 |
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你只要再加把力去推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1862].end |
5638.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].text |
我不認為這件事情有這麼困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1863].end |
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多拖延五個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1864].text |
事實上你只是被罵而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].start |
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不是五個月啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1866].end |
5646.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].text |
不是五個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1867].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1867].text |
因為五月一號嘛就四個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1868].end |
5650.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].text |
你有一年半的時間去爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1869].end |
5652.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].text |
碰到每年的流感高峰季啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].start |
5652.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].end |
5654.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].text |
然後又碰到過年的長假 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1871].end |
5656.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].text |
跟轉職的潮流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1872].end |
5658.61 |
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那你每一年這個問題都是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1873].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1873].text |
但是我們最湊這一理路 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1874].end |
5662.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].text |
要走到的時候希望他是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].start |
5662.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].end |
5664.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].text |
安全著陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].start |
5664.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].end |
5666.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].text |
一定是這一段的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].start |
5666.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].end |
5668.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].text |
這是一個過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].start |
5668.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].end |
5670.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].text |
現在才五月份而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].start |
5670.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].end |
5674.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].text |
你足足有超過一年半以上的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].start |
5674.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].end |
5676.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].text |
你講的安全著陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].start |
5676.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].end |
5678.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].text |
你講的相關準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].start |
5678.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].end |
5680.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].text |
我都可以同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1883].end |
5682.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].text |
但是沒有差這四個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].start |
5682.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].end |
5684.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].text |
如果你有決心要推動的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].start |
5684.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].end |
5686.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].text |
我相信你的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].start |
5686.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].end |
5688.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].text |
你是一個做事情有效率的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].start |
5688.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].end |
5690.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].text |
然後我覺得你可以去溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].start |
5690.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].end |
5692.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].text |
去年的這個景象 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1889].end |
5694.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].text |
這個雍色在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].start |
5694.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].end |
5696.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].text |
那麼多人沒有辦法住院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].start |
5696.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].end |
5698.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].text |
我們就希望再發生這樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].start |
5698.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].end |
5700.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].text |
部長不是立刻上路耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].start |
5701.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].end |
5703.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].text |
你弄清楚那個時間序 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].start |
5703.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].end |
5705.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].text |
我們現在是幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].start |
5705.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].end |
5707.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].text |
我們現在是115年5月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].start |
5707.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].end |
5709.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].text |
要上路的時間我說過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].start |
5709.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].end |
5711.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].text |
護理師公會他們的訴求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].start |
5711.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].end |
5712.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].text |
並沒有很誇張 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].start |
5712.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].end |
5714.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].text |
他不是叫你今年年底實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].start |
5714.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].end |
5716.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].text |
他們當時在會議上提出的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].start |
5716.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].end |
5718.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].text |
明年年底實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1902].end |
5720.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].text |
坦白講就一個緩衝期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].start |
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5722.76 |
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就一個日出條款來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].start |
5722.76 |
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5724.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].text |
這個是合理的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].start |
5724.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].end |
5726.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].text |
本期認為是合理的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].start |
5726.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].end |
5729.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].text |
你口中所謂四個月的落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1907].end |
5732.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].text |
我覺得真的沒有那麼的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].start |
5732.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].end |
5734.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].text |
一年半的時間要努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1909].end |
5735.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].text |
綽綽有餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].start |
5735.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].end |
5737.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].text |
現在是你跟醫界的溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].start |
5737.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].end |
5739.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].text |
我當然知道醫界的反彈很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].start |
5739.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].end |
5740.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].text |
你也來自醫界 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].start |
5740.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].end |
5742.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].text |
你那個壓力我可以理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].start |
5742.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].end |
5745.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].text |
但是很多事情是要互相的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].start |
5745.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].end |
5747.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].text |
護理界長期的血汗大家也看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].start |
5747.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].end |
5749.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].text |
他要求一個工作職場上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].start |
5749.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].end |
5752.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].text |
合理的護病比這個要過分嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].start |
5753.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].end |
5755.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].text |
我們絕對支持這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].start |
5755.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].end |
5758.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].text |
所以我們應該要全力以赴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].start |
5758.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].end |
5760.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].text |
我希望部長不要因為這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].start |
5760.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].end |
5762.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].text |
讓護理師公會去監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].start |
5762.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].end |
5764.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].text |
去什麼法院也好告你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].start |
5764.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].end |
5766.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
我也不贊成這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
5766.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].end |
5769.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].text |
但是我希望你可以用你的職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
5769.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
5770.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
跟你的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
5770.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
5774.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].text |
就是把他們的訴求跟目標全力以赴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
5774.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
5775.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
也不用鐵板一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
5775.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
5777.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
我認為這件事情只要大家願意做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
5777.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
5779.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
其實是做得到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
5779.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
5780.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
這個是我的訴求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
5780.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
5785.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
接下來我要問一下你們開放農藥這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
5786.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].end |
5791.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].text |
農藥的開放分譜寧大幅開放六倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
5791.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
5795.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
這件事情你們衛福部都在說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
5795.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
5797.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
跟ART一點關係都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
5797.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
5800.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
但是我發現就好巧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
5800.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
5803.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].text |
美國輸進去台灣主要水果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
5803.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
5805.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
第一名就是蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
5805.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].end |
5809.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
那分譜寧主要就是用在蘋果上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
5809.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
5811.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
就是這麼的巧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
5811.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
5814.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
那我要請教衛福部的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
5814.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
5816.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
如果我們今天沒有美國的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
5816.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
5818.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
也不是因為ART的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
5820.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
5822.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
實案標準不是越嚴格越好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
5822.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
5826.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
我們現在守住的這個的實案標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
5826.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
5829.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
為什麼我們的分譜寧有需要去放寬嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
5829.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
5832.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
為什麼要放寬是誰要求放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
5832.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
5833.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
既然沒有美方的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
5833.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
5836.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
你就更沒有要去放寬的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
5836.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
5837.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
5837.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
5840.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
跟委員說明我們這個關於農藥的殘留標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
5840.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
5842.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
其實我們每年都在調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
5842.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
5845.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
一年大概都修個二到三次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
5845.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
5848.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
那這一次的調整是一月份所做的預告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
5848.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
5852.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
然後完了之後我們現在做四月份正式做公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
5852.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
5855.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
那這個調整都是有國內的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
5855.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
5856.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
也提出一些需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
5856.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
5858.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
我們才一併討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
5858.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
5859.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
種蘋果的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
5859.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
5860.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
蘋果農嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
5860.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
5862.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
我們的來源有很多啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
5862.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
5864.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
那我就直接問你囉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
5864.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
5869.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
分譜寧直接要求這個要調高到現在3ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
5869.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
5872.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
是哪一個單位提出來的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
5872.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
5874.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
我跟委員簡單的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
5874.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
5876.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
你可以看到蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
5876.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
5878.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
橙類還有櫻桃 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
5878.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
5879.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
其實櫻桃是調降的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
5880.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
5881.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
為什麼是調降的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
5881.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
5882.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
我現在就問你蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].start |
5882.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
5884.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
我的意思是說它裡面其實是用科學 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
5884.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
5885.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
我們風險有分析有評論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].start |
5885.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
5887.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
我現在直接問你蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
5887.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
5889.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
蘋果為什麼要放大六倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
5891.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
5894.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
那裡面本身我們是風險評估底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
5894.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
5895.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
在整體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
5898.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
5900.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
是誰的需求嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
5900.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
5902.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
總是要有人提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
5902.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
5903.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
你如果說農藥放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
5903.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
5905.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
是我們國內的農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
5905.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
5907.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
他說你們現在標準太高了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].start |
5907.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
5908.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
我們達不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].start |
5908.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
5910.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
我們希望可以適度放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].start |
5910.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
5911.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
國內的農民提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
5911.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
5912.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
我可以理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
5912.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
5914.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
你們對外說也沒有美國的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
5914.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
5916.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
那你幹嘛去放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
5916.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
5917.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
好 跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
5917.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
5919.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
我們在訂這些標準的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
5919.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
5921.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
都有兩個程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
5921.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
5922.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
第一個呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
5922.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
5925.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
它會根據這個所謂的GAP |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].start |
5925.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].end |
5927.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].text |
就是優良的農業操作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].start |
5927.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].end |
5928.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].text |
它的施措 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].start |
5928.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].end |
5930.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].text |
這個是農業部所訂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].start |
5930.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].end |
5932.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].text |
然後再搭配國人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].start |
5932.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].end |
5934.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].text |
這個食用的習慣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].start |
5934.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].end |
5935.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].text |
用這個ADI |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].start |
5935.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].end |
5936.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].text |
就是可接受的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].start |
5936.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].end |
5940.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].text |
美日攝取量去換算出來的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].start |
5940.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].end |
5943.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].text |
所以然後再經過專家委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].start |
5943.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].end |
5945.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].text |
討論之後才修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].start |
5945.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].end |
5946.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].text |
所以它的程序上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].start |
5946.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].end |
5949.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].text |
都是前面有科學評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].start |
5949.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].end |
5951.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].text |
後面有專家的會議之後才修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
5951.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].end |
5953.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].text |
那要有人提出來啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
5953.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].end |
5954.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].text |
是誰啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].start |
5954.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].end |
5956.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].text |
這個提出的來源很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
5956.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].end |
5959.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].text |
我們這個所謂農藥標準的評估理念 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
5959.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].end |
5960.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].text |
其實是分兩大部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
5960.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].end |
5961.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].text |
我不要跟你講那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].start |
5961.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].end |
5963.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].text |
我只問蘋果這一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].start |
5963.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].end |
5964.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].text |
兩大部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].start |
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一部分是從國外的進口的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
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一部分是國內的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2015].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2015].text |
那國外進口誰有要求你要提高那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2016].text |
進口的其實有包括我們的進口商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2017].end |
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包括我們的各國的政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].start |
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他們在貿易上面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2019].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2019].text |
其實我們國內的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2020].text |
所以還是有貿易上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2021].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2021].text |
你們幹嘛否認說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2022].end |
5984.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
跟art一點關係都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
5984.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
5985.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
跟art一點關係都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
5985.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
5986.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].text |
因為食品的部分進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
5986.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].end |
5989.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
我們百分之七十都是仰賴進口的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
5989.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].end |
5992.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].text |
我們要讓所有國人能夠有飯吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].start |
5992.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].end |
5993.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].text |
能夠吃得飽 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].start |
5993.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].end |
5994.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].text |
水果等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
5995.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
其實在平衡之下呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
5997.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].text |
其實提出來我們都是被動會受理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2031].end |
6000.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].text |
我們水果現在蘋果進口也很多啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
6000.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].end |
6001.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].text |
還有紐西蘭的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
6001.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].end |
6002.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].text |
還有智利的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2034].end |
6003.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
我同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2035].end |
6006.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].text |
受理之後我們就進入評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].start |
6006.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].end |
6007.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].text |
這才是重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].start |
6007.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].end |
6008.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].text |
所以我們現在沒有量不足的問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].start |
6008.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].end |
6010.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
我現在不懂的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
6010.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].end |
6012.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].text |
邏輯上面完全講不通 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].start |
6012.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].end |
6015.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].text |
我們蘋果的進口量一直非常的大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].start |
6015.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].end |
6017.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].text |
然後在這樣的情況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].start |
6017.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].end |
6020.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].text |
為什麼需要去放寬它的農藥標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].start |
6020.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].end |
6021.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].text |
完全沒有道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].start |
6021.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].end |
6023.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].text |
如果說你今天是台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].start |
6023.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].end |
6024.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].text |
我們現在進口很稀缺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].start |
6024.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].end |
6025.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].text |
沒有稍微放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].start |
6025.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].end |
6027.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].text |
我們這個本身食品供應不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].start |
6027.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].end |
6029.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].text |
所以必須適度放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].start |
6029.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].end |
6030.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].text |
這個才有標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].start |
6030.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].end |
6032.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].text |
另外一個我要告訴你的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].start |
6032.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].end |
6033.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].text |
歐盟的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].start |
6033.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].end |
6034.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].text |
你知道歐盟對於蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].start |
6034.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].end |
6035.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].text |
它的標準是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].start |
6035.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].end |
6036.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].start |
6036.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].end |
6038.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].text |
零點零一這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].start |
6038.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].end |
6039.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].text |
只能告訴一件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].start |
6039.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].end |
6042.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].text |
整個國家對於農藥的需求不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].start |
6042.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].end |
6043.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].text |
它沒有訂標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2059].end |
6045.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].text |
就用簡料標準零點零一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].start |
6045.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].end |
6047.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].text |
它基本上是不贊成分布營的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].start |
6047.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].end |
6049.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].text |
不能用除法去算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].start |
6049.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].end |
6051.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].text |
這個簡單的基本就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].start |
6051.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].end |
6053.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].text |
這個國家沒有用它的需求沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].start |
6053.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].end |
6054.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].text |
他們就是覺得分布營 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].start |
6054.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].end |
6055.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].text |
能不用就不要用啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].start |
6055.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].end |
6056.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].text |
重點是我們評估起來是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].start |
6056.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].end |
6058.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].text |
我覺得我們基於科學的基礎之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].start |
6058.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].end |
6059.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].text |
評估是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].start |
6059.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].end |
6060.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].text |
這不是科學 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].start |
6060.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].end |
6061.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].text |
這就是你們的見頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].start |
6061.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].end |
6062.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].text |
所以這個安全的評估是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].start |
6062.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].end |
6064.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].text |
整個農藥所協助的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].start |
6064.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].end |
6066.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].text |
你們要放寬總要有一個理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].start |
6066.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].end |
6068.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].text |
不要對外又不肯承認 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].start |
6068.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].end |
6070.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].text |
如果歐盟它採取的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].start |
6070.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].end |
6071.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].text |
它也沒有去放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].start |
6071.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].end |
6072.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].text |
今天台灣大幅放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].start |
6072.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].end |
6074.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].text |
我們一定有一個理由嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].start |
6074.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].end |
6075.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].text |
有理由就講出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].start |
6075.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].end |
6076.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].start |
6076.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].end |
6077.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].text |
或者是美國的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].start |
6077.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].end |
6078.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].text |
也可以講出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].start |
6078.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].end |
6079.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].text |
他們叫做不使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].start |
6079.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].end |
6080.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].text |
不使用不代表是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].start |
6080.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].end |
6082.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].text |
也有歐盟使用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].start |
6082.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].end |
6083.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].text |
我們沒有使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].start |
6083.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].end |
6085.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].text |
一樣每個國家按照它的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].start |
6085.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].end |
6087.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].text |
做需求去調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].start |
6087.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].end |
6088.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].text |
那評估我們國人吃的很大啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].start |
6088.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].end |
6089.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].text |
進口量也很大啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].start |
6089.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].end |
6092.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].text |
那這一塊正是你們需要把關的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].start |
6093.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].end |
6094.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].text |
把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].start |
6094.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].end |
6095.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].text |
沒有必要放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].start |
6095.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].end |
6097.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].text |
它是我經過完整的數據的分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].start |
6097.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].end |
6098.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].text |
算出來的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].start |
6098.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].end |
6101.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].text |
絕對小於ADI設施量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].start |
6101.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].end |
6102.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].text |
如果是超過我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].start |
6102.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].end |
6103.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].text |
絕對不會允許的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].start |
6103.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].end |
6104.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].start |
6104.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].end |
6105.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].text |
這不是科學的基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].start |
6105.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].end |
6106.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].text |
不能再在科學的基礎上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].start |
6106.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].end |
6107.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].text |
那科學沒有科學的基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].start |
6107.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].end |
6108.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].text |
我就沒有辦法算了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].start |
6108.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].end |
6110.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].text |
我沒辦法計算的前提之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].start |
6110.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].end |
6111.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].text |
所有農藥在團體上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].start |
6111.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].end |
6112.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].text |
食安的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].start |
6112.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].end |
6113.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].text |
都會出了問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].start |
6113.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].end |
6115.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].text |
只有是越嚴格越好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].start |
6115.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].end |
6117.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].text |
而不是你講的越寬鬆越好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].start |
6117.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].end |
6118.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].text |
越安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].start |
6118.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].end |
6119.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].text |
可以安全的基礎才是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].start |
6119.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].end |
6120.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].text |
你去問國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].start |
6120.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].end |
6121.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].text |
如果我們的安全基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].start |
6121.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].end |
6122.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].text |
是沒有辦法溝通的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].start |
6122.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].end |
6123.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].text |
農藥你要吃越多越好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].start |
6123.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].end |
6124.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].text |
吃越少越好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].start |
6124.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].end |
6125.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].text |
農藥的管理是不好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].start |
6125.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].end |
6127.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].text |
如果我們今天對於進口的水果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].start |
6127.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].end |
6129.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].text |
我們可以管制它的農藥標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].start |
6129.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].end |
6131.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].text |
我們到底是越嚴格越好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].start |
6131.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].end |
6132.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].text |
還是越寬鬆越好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].start |
6132.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].end |
6134.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].text |
你去問國人就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].start |
6134.28 |
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6135.28 |
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我只是要提醒你們 |
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6135.28 |
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6136.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].text |
我想就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].start |
6136.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].end |
6137.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].text |
如果你們跟所有國人講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].start |
6137.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].end |
6138.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].text |
食安的教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].start |
6138.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].end |
6139.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].text |
我們對農藥的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].start |
6139.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].end |
6140.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].text |
絕對是最嚴格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].start |
6140.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].end |
6142.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].text |
你們有貿易上面的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].start |
6142.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].end |
6143.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].text |
我都可以理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].start |
6143.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].end |
6145.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].text |
但是不要對外說一套 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].start |
6145.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].end |
6146.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].text |
但實質上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].start |
6146.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].end |
6148.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].text |
你這個放寬就是沒有理由的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].start |
6148.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].end |
6150.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].text |
你如果說是美國的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].start |
6150.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].end |
6151.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].text |
我們可以理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].start |
6151.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].end |
6152.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].text |
是貿易的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].start |
6152.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].end |
6155.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].text |
但是在沒有貿易壓力的情況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].start |
6155.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].end |
6156.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].text |
進行放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].start |
6156.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].end |
6158.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].text |
這個就是食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].start |
6158.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].end |
6160.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].text |
這個根本就還沒有提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].start |
6160.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].end |
6163.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].text |
連談判之前都還沒有之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].start |
6163.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].end |
6164.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].text |
就已經提出要放寬了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].start |
6164.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].end |
6165.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].text |
那你幹嘛放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].start |
6165.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].end |
6166.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].text |
所以我們評估完整體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].start |
6166.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].end |
6167.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].text |
你為什麼要放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].start |
6167.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].end |
6168.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].text |
整個GAP底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].start |
6168.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].end |
6169.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].text |
我們看到的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].start |
6169.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].end |
6172.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].text |
按照國人的使用標準去問國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].start |
6172.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].end |
6173.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].text |
沒有道理情況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].start |
6173.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].end |
6174.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].text |
為什麼要放寬6倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].start |
6176.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].end |
6177.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].start |
6177.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].end |
6179.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].text |
作為一個食藥署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].start |
6179.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].end |
6180.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].text |
作為衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].start |
6180.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].end |
6181.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].text |
應該是這樣子嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].start |
6181.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].end |
6182.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].text |
不是你的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].start |
6182.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].end |
6183.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].text |
應該踩得很清楚嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].start |
6183.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].end |
6185.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].text |
能減少用農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].start |
6185.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].end |
6186.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].text |
就減少用農藥嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].start |
6186.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].end |
6189.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].text |
怎麼會是越放寬越好呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].start |
6189.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].end |
6190.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].text |
我覺得這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].start |
6190.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].end |
6191.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].text |
我希望委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].start |
6191.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].end |
6193.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].text |
這些都是依照產業試驗的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].start |
6193.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].end |
6195.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].text |
我們予以評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].start |
6195.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].end |
6196.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].text |
不要推給委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].start |
6196.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].end |
6198.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].text |
這件事情不需要放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].start |
6198.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].end |
6199.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].text |
本來就不應該放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].start |
6200.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].end |
6202.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].text |
我認為在食安的標準上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].start |
6202.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].end |
6203.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].text |
只有更嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].start |
6203.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].end |
6204.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].text |
不是更寬鬆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].start |
6205.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].end |
6206.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].text |
對 跟委員說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].start |
6206.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].end |
6209.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].text |
我們都是保障國人的使用安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].start |
6209.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].end |
6211.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].text |
請委員放心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].start |
6211.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].end |
6214.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].text |
這個都有科學的證據去做的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].start |
6215.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].end |
6217.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].text |
謝謝王雁民委員的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].start |
6218.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].end |
6220.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].text |
待會兒再撂個響委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].start |
6220.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].end |
6222.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].text |
訊號完畢後休息10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].start |
6222.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].end |
6224.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].text |
現在請撂委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].start |
6224.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].end |
6225.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].text |
撂委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].start |
6234.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].end |
6235.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].start |
6235.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].end |
6236.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].text |
有請石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].start |
6236.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].end |
6237.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].text |
有請石重良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].start |
6241.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].end |
6242.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].text |
好 留言好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].start |
6242.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].end |
6243.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].start |
6244.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].end |
6246.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].text |
部長 我想要先請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].start |
6246.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].end |
6248.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].text |
賴清德總統上任後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].start |
6248.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].end |
6251.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].text |
大動作成立的健康台灣推動委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].start |
6251.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].end |
6253.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].text |
那研議五項主題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].start |
6253.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].end |
6257.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].text |
其中一項是強化癌症防治策略 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].start |
6257.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].end |
6258.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].text |
擴大篩檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].start |
6258.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].end |
6260.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].text |
那這個部分有哪些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].start |
6260.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].end |
6263.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].text |
我們從過去是傳統的四癌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].start |
6263.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].end |
6265.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].text |
然後到五癌篩檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].start |
6265.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].end |
6267.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].text |
就是前年開始的肺癌的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].start |
6267.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].end |
6269.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].text |
low dose CT的篩檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].start |
6269.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].end |
6271.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].text |
然後到今年全面性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].start |
6271.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].end |
6274.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].text |
對胃癌的前區就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].start |
6274.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].end |
6275.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].text |
對 也加了胃癌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].start |
6275.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].end |
6278.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].text |
那個優門螺旋菌的全面篩檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].start |
6278.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].end |
6280.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].text |
大概目前是六癌篩檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].start |
6280.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].end |
6282.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].text |
那我想要請教一下部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].start |
6282.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].end |
6284.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].text |
你們癌症防治工作計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].start |
6284.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].end |
6287.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].text |
去年也就是114年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].start |
6287.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].end |
6289.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].text |
國健署公務預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].start |
6289.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].end |
6292.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].text |
還有淹害防治及保健基金投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].start |
6292.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].end |
6295.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].text |
癌症的防治工作的經費是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].start |
6295.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].end |
6297.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].text |
合計多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].start |
6298.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].end |
6302.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].text |
如果是癌篩的部分是68億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].start |
6302.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].end |
6304.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].text |
我們編列的預算去年是68億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].start |
6306.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].end |
6310.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].text |
我這裡包含基金預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].start |
6310.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].end |
6312.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].text |
包含還有家商公務預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].start |
6312.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].end |
6313.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].text |
加起來我這裡算到是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].start |
6313.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].end |
6315.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].text |
82億5000多萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].start |
6316.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].end |
6318.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].text |
我剛好說有公務預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].start |
6318.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].end |
6319.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].text |
加上淹害防治 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].start |
6319.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].end |
6322.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].text |
加上保健基金投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].start |
6322.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].end |
6324.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].text |
這個部分加起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].start |
6324.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].end |
6326.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].text |
因為公務預算是68億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].start |
6326.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].end |
6330.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].text |
另外還有那個研經 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].start |
6330.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].end |
6332.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].text |
114年公務預算應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].start |
6332.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].end |
6334.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].text |
36億8000多萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].start |
6334.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].end |
6335.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].text |
基金預算45億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].start |
6335.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].end |
6337.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].text |
合計是82億5000多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].start |
6338.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].end |
6339.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].start |
6341.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].end |
6344.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].text |
我請那個組長確認一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].start |
6344.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].end |
6345.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].text |
應該是啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].start |
6345.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].end |
6347.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].text |
是喔 那我再請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].start |
6347.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].end |
6349.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].text |
那你們的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].start |
6349.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].end |
6350.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].text |
癌症防治工作計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].start |
6350.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].end |
6352.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].text |
115年也就是今年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].start |
6352.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].end |
6354.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].text |
國健署的公務預算跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].start |
6354.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].end |
6356.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].text |
淹害防治跟保健基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].start |
6356.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].end |
6358.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].text |
投入癌症防治工作的經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].start |
6358.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].end |
6360.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].text |
合計又是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].start |
6364.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].end |
6365.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].text |
沒關係 部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].start |
6365.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].end |
6367.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].text |
我跟你說 我算給你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].start |
6367.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].end |
6368.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].text |
我已經算完了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].start |
6368.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].end |
6372.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].text |
是71億900萬左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].start |
6372.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].end |
6374.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].text |
加起來是71億900萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].start |
6374.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].end |
6375.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].start |
6376.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].end |
6378.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].text |
那我就開頭我就問了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].start |
6378.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].end |
6379.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].text |
你們現在的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].start |
6379.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].end |
6381.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].text |
擴大篩檢的這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].start |
6381.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].end |
6382.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].text |
你剛剛也說從這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].start |
6382.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].end |
6383.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].text |
4癌變5癌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].start |
6383.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].end |
6385.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].text |
現在變6癌了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].start |
6385.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].end |
6386.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].text |
那你們115年的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].start |
6386.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].end |
6388.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].text |
比114年爆增的這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].start |
6388.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].end |
6390.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].text |
說擴大篩檢規模 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].start |
6390.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].end |
6391.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].start |
6392.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].end |
6394.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].text |
這個包含各項的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].start |
6394.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].end |
6395.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].text |
結果到最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].start |
6395.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].end |
6397.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].text |
擴大了推動我們的相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].start |
6397.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].end |
6399.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].text |
相關的防癌的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].start |
6399.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].end |
6400.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].text |
跟提高工作經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].start |
6400.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].end |
6402.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].text |
但是為什麼整體癌塞的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].start |
6402.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].end |
6405.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].text |
卻減少了11億5000萬左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].start |
6407.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].end |
6409.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].text |
部長可以講一下是為什麼嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].start |
6409.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].end |
6411.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].text |
大概跟我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].start |
6411.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].end |
6414.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].text |
這個執行的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].start |
6414.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].end |
6415.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].text |
我們的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].start |
6415.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].end |
6417.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].text |
之前的執行率上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].start |
6417.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].end |
6419.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].text |
我們做了一點調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].start |
6419.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].end |
6422.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].text |
就是說那個執行的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].start |
6422.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].end |
6424.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].text |
實際上塞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].start |
6424.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].end |
6427.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].text |
因為我們去年是比前年大幅增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].start |
6427.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].end |
6428.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].start |
6428.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].end |
6429.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].text |
我們大幅增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].start |
6429.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].end |
6430.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].text |
那為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].start |
6430.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].end |
6432.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].text |
執行之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].start |
6432.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].end |
6434.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].text |
又做了一點調整這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].start |
6434.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].end |
6435.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].text |
那我就想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].start |
6435.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].end |
6436.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].text |
因為我去看了一下你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].start |
6436.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].end |
6437.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].text |
因為今天在講預算吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].start |
6437.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].end |
6439.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].text |
所以今天也看了一下你們實施內容裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].start |
6439.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
6442.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].text |
他是直接說少14億的原因是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].start |
6442.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].end |
6445.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].text |
施改為由公務預算辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].start |
6447.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
6449.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].text |
裡面是這樣寫啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].start |
6449.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].end |
6450.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].text |
但是你們的公務預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].start |
6450.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].end |
6452.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].text |
其實也只增加3億多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].start |
6452.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].end |
6453.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].text |
當然這不是一個小數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].start |
6453.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].end |
6455.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].text |
但是剛剛跟剛剛我們算出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].start |
6455.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
6457.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].text |
11億差距還是滿大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
6457.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
6459.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].text |
所以你沒有講清楚說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].start |
6459.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].end |
6461.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].text |
為什麼你少編了這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
6461.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
6462.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].text |
那到底理由是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].start |
6462.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].end |
6463.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].text |
這就會讓我們在想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
6463.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].end |
6466.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].text |
會不會是113年執行成效是有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
6466.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].end |
6469.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].text |
所以才要自行去縮編這個預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].start |
6470.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
6471.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].text |
但是因為我不理解的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
6471.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].end |
6474.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].text |
這應該是一個很重要的預防工作的一環 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].start |
6474.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].end |
6475.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].text |
那為什麼會是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].start |
6475.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].end |
6476.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].text |
所以我才要問這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
6476.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].end |
6478.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].text |
所以這部分可以解釋一下嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].start |
6478.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].end |
6479.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].text |
報告委員喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].start |
6479.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].end |
6480.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].text |
那個時候就是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].start |
6480.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].end |
6483.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].text |
因為基金這幾年越來越少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].start |
6483.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].end |
6486.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].text |
那那個時候希望能夠藉由爭取公務預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].start |
6486.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].end |
6487.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].text |
是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].start |
6487.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].end |
6488.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].text |
來把基金的部分就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].start |
6488.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].end |
6489.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].text |
我剛剛有講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].start |
6489.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].end |
6491.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].text |
所以你公務預算有多了3億多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].start |
6491.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].end |
6494.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].text |
可是整體的這個項目少了11億多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].start |
6494.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].end |
6496.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].text |
當初在爭取的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].start |
6496.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].end |
6498.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].text |
其實是不止3億多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].start |
6498.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].end |
6500.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].text |
可是後來合下來只有3億多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].start |
6500.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].end |
6503.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].text |
所以才會看起來整體是變少的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].start |
6503.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].end |
6504.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].text |
但是當初在規劃的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
6504.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].end |
6506.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].text |
其實希望是在公務預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].start |
6506.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
6507.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].text |
把整個基金的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].start |
6507.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].end |
6509.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].text |
這個變少總是會有一些理由啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].start |
6509.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
6510.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].text |
所以我是希望部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].start |
6510.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].end |
6512.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
是不是可以回去了解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].start |
6512.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].end |
6514.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].text |
給本席辦公室呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].start |
6514.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].end |
6516.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].text |
第一個短少11億的根本原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].start |
6516.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].end |
6517.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].text |
跟檢討報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].start |
6517.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].end |
6521.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].text |
是因為你們第一線的這個篩檢量能啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].start |
6521.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].end |
6522.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].text |
或是哪裡到底出了問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].start |
6522.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].end |
6524.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].text |
為什麼會差這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].start |
6524.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].end |
6525.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].text |
那如果差這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].start |
6525.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
6526.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].text |
差這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].start |
6526.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].end |
6528.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].text |
那不就代表你們以前的評估是有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].start |
6528.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].end |
6531.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].text |
好那這次到底短少的原因是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].start |
6531.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].end |
6532.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].text |
第一個是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].start |
6532.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].end |
6533.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].text |
然後第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].start |
6533.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].end |
6536.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].text |
是114年的具體最終執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].start |
6536.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].end |
6538.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].text |
篩檢補助的人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].start |
6538.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].end |
6539.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].text |
籌金給了多少人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].start |
6540.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].end |
6543.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].text |
然後各種癌症篩檢分別受理了多少件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].start |
6543.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].end |
6545.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].text |
那最終執行掉的預算又是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].start |
6545.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].end |
6548.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].text |
還有你們預估今年人員的籌金 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].start |
6548.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].end |
6549.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].text |
要給多少人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].start |
6549.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].end |
6552.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].text |
預計處理多少件的具體數字可不可以給本席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].start |
6552.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].end |
6553.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].text |
因為我要查這些資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
6553.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].end |
6555.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].text |
我覺得蠻黑箱的 看不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
6555.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].end |
6558.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].text |
我不知道你們執行的狀況到底是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].start |
6558.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].end |
6560.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].text |
所以我希望這兩點可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].start |
6560.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].end |
6562.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
這個詳細的執行情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
6562.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].end |
6565.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].text |
我們在另外整理之後給委員參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
6565.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].end |
6568.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
對 因為這個是攸關國人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
6568.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].end |
6570.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
篩檢的健康的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
6570.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].end |
6573.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
所以這個數字相差太多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].start |
6573.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].end |
6575.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].text |
我希望你可以給本席一個具體的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].start |
6575.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].end |
6577.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].text |
不然我也會覺得你們到底怎麼編的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].start |
6577.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].end |
6578.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].start |
6578.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].end |
6580.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].text |
然後另外就是之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
6580.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].end |
6581.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
我也加問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].start |
6581.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].end |
6583.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
部長之前你也有說這個有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].start |
6583.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].end |
6585.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].text |
社護腺癌公費篩檢的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].start |
6585.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].end |
6586.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].text |
現在是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
6586.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].end |
6591.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].text |
目前是委託國衛院也在進行這個整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].start |
6591.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].end |
6593.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
那個癌院所 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].start |
6593.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].end |
6595.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].text |
國衛院的癌院所在進行整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].start |
6595.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].end |
6599.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].text |
整個這個社護腺癌的防治政策的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].start |
6599.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].end |
6601.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].text |
那什麼時候會有具體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].start |
6601.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].end |
6604.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].text |
因為你之前有說現在的技術是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].start |
6604.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].end |
6605.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].text |
也越來越準了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].start |
6605.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].end |
6606.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].text |
應該是可以做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].start |
6606.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].end |
6607.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].text |
因為我們在第一線 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].start |
6607.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].end |
6609.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].text |
之前也講過數據了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].start |
6609.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].end |
6611.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].text |
我就不在這裡再展開講這個主題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].start |
6611.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].end |
6612.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].text |
那請問具體是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].start |
6612.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].end |
6615.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].text |
我是不是請我們國衛院那個司徒院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].start |
6615.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].end |
6617.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].text |
來說明一下目前的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].start |
6619.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].end |
6620.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].text |
好 報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].start |
6620.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].end |
6625.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].text |
目前是由我們國衛院的國家癌症研究所的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].start |
6625.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].end |
6626.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].text |
紮所長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].start |
6626.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].end |
6629.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].text |
那他本身也是密鬧科醫學會的理事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].start |
6629.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].end |
6630.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].text |
那你先跟我講具體的時間就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].start |
6630.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].end |
6631.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].text |
因為我時間有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].start |
6631.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].end |
6632.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].text |
那現在他們在學會裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].start |
6632.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].end |
6633.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].text |
五月底 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].start |
6633.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].end |
6634.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].text |
五月底 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].start |
6634.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].end |
6636.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].text |
是 好 這個有關於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].start |
6636.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].end |
6639.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].text |
社護腺癌的推動的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].start |
6639.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].end |
6641.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].text |
是五月底會出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].start |
6641.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].end |
6644.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].text |
好 那到時候我們就希望可以盡速 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].start |
6644.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].end |
6645.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].text |
那再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].start |
6646.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].end |
6648.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].text |
所以剛剛都在講癌症 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].start |
6648.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].end |
6649.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].text |
這個是剛剛的數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].start |
6649.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].end |
6651.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].text |
少了14億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].start |
6651.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].end |
6653.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].text |
那再來就是我想要提到的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].start |
6653.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].end |
6655.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].text |
剛剛的講到癌篩 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].start |
6655.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].end |
6656.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].text |
那癌篩裡面呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].start |
6656.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].end |
6659.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].text |
我相信這些錢也要來用來提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].start |
6659.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].end |
6660.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].text |
他們相關的待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].start |
6660.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].end |
6662.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].text |
更新設備 增設獎金等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].start |
6662.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].end |
6663.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].text |
都很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].start |
6663.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].end |
6666.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].text |
但最重要也要改善這個人力荒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].start |
6666.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].end |
6668.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].text |
所以不只是護理師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].start |
6668.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].end |
6670.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].text |
現在醫檢師放射師的職業率 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].start |
6670.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].end |
6672.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].text |
也面臨很大的挑戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].start |
6672.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].end |
6674.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].text |
也崩潰的邊緣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].start |
6674.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].end |
6676.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].text |
那他們都是癌篩的重要夥伴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].start |
6677.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].end |
6679.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].text |
尤其是這個六癌篩檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].start |
6679.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].end |
6681.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].text |
主要很多都是醫檢師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].start |
6681.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].end |
6684.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].text |
還有放射師在處理的這個業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].start |
6684.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].end |
6686.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].text |
所以現在的人力足夠嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].start |
6686.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].end |
6687.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].start |
6689.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].end |
6691.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].text |
因為我之前其實也質詢過相關的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].start |
6691.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].end |
6695.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].text |
之前還有媒體也大面積的去報道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].start |
6695.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].end |
6697.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].text |
這個醫事人員的不足的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].start |
6697.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].end |
6699.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].text |
所以想要請教一下部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].start |
6699.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].end |
6701.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].text |
這部分是不是也應該趕快去檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].start |
6702.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].end |
6706.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].text |
有關於這個篩檢所需要的人力的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].start |
6706.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].end |
6708.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].text |
我們也一併做一些評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].start |
6708.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].end |
6712.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].text |
那因為這個每一種篩檢所需要的人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].start |
6712.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].end |
6713.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].text |
是不太一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].start |
6713.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].end |
6716.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].text |
比如說你肺癌主要是移放師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].start |
6716.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].end |
6718.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].text |
那個是low dose CT的篩檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].start |
6718.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].end |
6722.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].text |
那有些是做這個smear |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].start |
6722.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].end |
6724.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].text |
那這個可能跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].start |
6724.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].end |
6728.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].text |
Parsologist 跟病理方面的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].start |
6728.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].end |
6729.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].text |
也有比較有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].start |
6729.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].end |
6731.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].text |
那跟乳射又是另外一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].start |
6731.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].end |
6732.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].text |
所以部長我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].start |
6732.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].end |
6733.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].text |
所以我現在要講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].start |
6733.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].end |
6736.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].text |
這些人力也都有面臨短缺的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].start |
6736.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].end |
6741.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].text |
甚至現在在醫院要排相關的檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].start |
6741.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].end |
6742.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].text |
也都要排很久 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].start |
6742.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].end |
6744.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].text |
所以我想要請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].start |
6745.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].end |
6748.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].text |
部長你知道醫檢師的人力評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].start |
6748.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].end |
6750.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].text |
竟然只看病床數嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].start |
6750.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].end |
6753.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].text |
忽略了門診跟急診的檢驗量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].start |
6753.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].end |
6757.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].text |
另外呼吸治療師也只評估加護病房 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].start |
6757.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].end |
6761.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].text |
完全忽視了急診跟一般病房的插管需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].start |
6761.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].end |
6764.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].text |
所以你們之前有承諾過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].start |
6764.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].end |
6766.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].text |
就評鑑的部分要召開 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].start |
6766.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].end |
6768.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].text |
基準的研商會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].start |
6768.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].end |
6769.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].start |
6769.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].end |
6771.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].text |
你們之前有說過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].start |
6771.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].end |
6773.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].text |
會 就是在醫院評鑑的基準裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].start |
6773.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].end |
6776.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].text |
對 那請問你們目前開個幾場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].start |
6778.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].end |
6780.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].text |
這個會議都還沒開 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].start |
6780.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].end |
6783.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].text |
因為評鑑本來從四年變六年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].start |
6783.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].end |
6785.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].text |
中間有一些需要確定的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].start |
6785.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].end |
6787.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].text |
又在做重新的研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].start |
6787.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].end |
6790.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].text |
所以預計最快召開人力的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].start |
6790.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].end |
6792.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].text |
相關的一個會議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].start |
6792.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].end |
6794.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].text |
會在明年年初 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].start |
6794.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].end |
6795.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].text |
你要到明年年初 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].start |
6795.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].end |
6798.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].text |
對 因為今年會把一些東西定案之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].start |
6798.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].end |
6799.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].text |
你能不能講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].start |
6799.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].end |
6803.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].text |
因為你應該要趕快開始召開相關的討論吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].start |
6803.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].end |
6804.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].text |
兩件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].start |
6804.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].end |
6807.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].text |
一個是人力的一個改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].start |
6807.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].end |
6809.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].text |
一個是評鑑基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].start |
6809.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].end |
6812.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].text |
所以我剛問的是基準研商會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].start |
6812.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].end |
6815.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].text |
對 基準研商會議預計拉到明年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].start |
6815.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].end |
6818.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].text |
然後人力的改善的整體規劃的部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].start |
6818.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].end |
6819.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].text |
就承諾剛剛部長講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].start |
6819.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].end |
6820.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].text |
我們會有改革小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].start |
6820.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].end |
6823.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].text |
從那個地方做一個整體政策的小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].start |
6823.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].end |
6827.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].text |
現在相關的薪資缺乏彈性也過度勞累 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].start |
6827.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].end |
6830.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].text |
所以也導致除了我們上個禮拜的護理師的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].start |
6830.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].end |
6832.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].text |
其他的醫事人員也是人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].start |
6832.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].end |
6835.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].text |
有短缺的問題也大量的外流 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].start |
6835.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].end |
6837.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].text |
所以這個部分想要請衛福部趕快研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].start |
6837.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].end |
6839.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].text |
針對這些醫事人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].start |
6839.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].end |
6841.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].text |
上次你也答應過本席你們會全面檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].start |
6841.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].end |
6844.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].text |
那究竟什麼時候可以給本席一些相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].start |
6844.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].end |
6848.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].text |
我想健保也相關的這個支付制度的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].start |
6848.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].end |
6850.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].text |
也在努力在規劃中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].start |
6850.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].end |
6854.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].text |
所以一方面也會有這個支付制度的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].start |
6854.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].end |
6859.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].text |
這個挹注來改善這個醫檢醫放人員的薪資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].start |
6859.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].end |
6864.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].text |
那另外在這個人力的這個規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].start |
6864.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].end |
6868.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].text |
包含評鑑標準的這個修訂也會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].start |
6868.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].end |
6871.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].text |
下半年就會讓他們開始來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].start |
6871.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].end |
6874.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].text |
部長所以你下半年才要開始討論喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].start |
6874.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].end |
6875.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].text |
不可以早一點嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].start |
6875.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].end |
6876.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].text |
現在已經五月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].start |
6876.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].end |
6878.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].text |
這是就是接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].start |
6878.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].end |
6879.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].text |
所以你六月開始會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].start |
6879.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].end |
6880.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].text |
這是重點項目喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].start |
6880.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].end |
6881.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].text |
對會去成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].start |
6881.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].end |
6884.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].text |
因為健康台灣政策最重要的一個環節 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].start |
6884.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].end |
6885.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].text |
剛剛講了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].start |
6885.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].end |
6887.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].text |
從開頭就說是這個挨塞的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].start |
6887.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].end |
6888.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].text |
挨塞的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].start |
6888.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].end |
6890.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].text |
所以經費不足然後人力短缺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].start |
6890.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].end |
6892.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].text |
其實我們就擔心啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].start |
6892.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].end |
6894.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].text |
你就像在沙灘上面蓋大樓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].start |
6894.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].end |
6895.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].text |
沒有好的基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].start |
6895.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].end |
6898.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].text |
然後只看這個又要這些KPI達標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].start |
6898.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].end |
6900.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].text |
那你最後就是逼迫這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].start |
6900.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].end |
6902.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].text |
第一線的醫事人員做功德 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].start |
6902.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].end |
6905.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].text |
所以這部分要請部長儘速去改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].start |
6905.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].end |
6909.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].text |
那你可不可以一個月內給本席辦公室一個檢討的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].start |
6909.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].end |
6913.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].text |
好我們一個規劃進行的這個報告再給委員參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].start |
6913.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].end |
6914.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].start |
6917.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].end |
6919.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].text |
謝謝廖宇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].start |
6919.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].end |
6921.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].text |
現在休息10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].start |
7534.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].end |
7539.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].text |
好現在繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].start |
7544.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].end |
7546.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].text |
接下來請陳金輝委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].start |
7556.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].end |
7558.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].text |
主席好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].start |
7558.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].end |
7561.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].text |
然後謝謝各位官員還有委員出席請石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].start |
7561.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].end |
7562.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].text |
請石崇良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].start |
7565.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].end |
7566.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].text |
石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].start |
7566.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].end |
7569.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].text |
對我聽了早上您許多的回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].start |
7569.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].end |
7572.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].text |
這個是2023年9月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].start |
7572.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].end |
7574.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].text |
我們賴清德總統給大家的承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].start |
7574.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].end |
7576.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].text |
我先播給大家聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].start |
7577.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].end |
7578.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].text |
完 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].start |
7580.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].end |
7581.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].text |
要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].start |
7583.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].end |
7584.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].start |
7584.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].end |
7586.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].text |
大家有什麼要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].start |
7588.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].end |
7589.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].start |
7591.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].end |
7593.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].start |
7592.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].end |
7593.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].text |
好我們再播一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].start |
7598.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].end |
7599.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].text |
完 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].start |
7600.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].end |
7602.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].text |
我並不是要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].start |
7603.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].end |
7604.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].text |
是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].start |
7604.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].end |
7605.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].start |
7605.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].end |
7607.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].text |
大家有什麼要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].start |
7609.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].end |
7610.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].text |
就是現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].start |
7610.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].end |
7613.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].text |
上次我們聽到總統這麼爽朗的笑聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].start |
7613.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].end |
7615.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].text |
我對你做了質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].start |
7615.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].end |
7616.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].text |
是因為他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].start |
7616.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].end |
7617.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].text |
他很羨慕醫生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].start |
7617.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].end |
7619.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].text |
他想要回來當醫生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].start |
7619.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].end |
7621.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].text |
你剛剛你幫他講了好多話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].start |
7621.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].end |
7622.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].text |
你說你那天有去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].start |
7622.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].end |
7624.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].text |
他實際上不是這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].start |
7624.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].end |
7627.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].text |
但是眼看這幾天這個週末 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].start |
7627.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].end |
7630.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].text |
在網路上看了很多你們禮拜五下午 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].start |
7630.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].end |
7633.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].text |
跟眾多團體一起開的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].start |
7633.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].end |
7636.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].text |
2023年9月開出來的支票 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].start |
7637.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].end |
7638.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].text |
而且他是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].start |
7638.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].end |
7639.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].text |
就這樣喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].start |
7639.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].end |
7640.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].text |
你甘單喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].start |
7640.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].end |
7641.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].text |
就這樣子要入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].start |
7641.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].end |
7642.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].text |
就這樣喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].start |
7642.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].end |
7643.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].text |
旁邊還有人跟他補充說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].start |
7643.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].end |
7645.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].text |
還有要加薪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].start |
7645.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].end |
7646.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].text |
結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].start |
7646.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].end |
7648.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].text |
現在實際要上路的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].start |
7648.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].end |
7650.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].text |
你們是把他壓到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].start |
7650.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].end |
7652.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].text |
117年5月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].start |
7652.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].end |
7655.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].text |
也就是2028年5月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].start |
7655.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].end |
7657.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].text |
這個上任禮物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].start |
7657.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].end |
7659.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].text |
競選支票 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].start |
7659.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].end |
7662.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].text |
最後變成卸任禮包 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].start |
7662.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].end |
7664.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].text |
請問你要怎麼解釋這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].start |
7664.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].end |
7667.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].text |
當時說的是多麼的簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].start |
7667.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].end |
7670.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].text |
現在做起來是有多麼的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].start |
7672.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].end |
7673.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].text |
好 根本說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].start |
7673.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].end |
7675.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].text |
當時候的政見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].start |
7675.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].end |
7678.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].text |
主要是兩年入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].start |
7678.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].end |
7680.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].text |
任期內完成配套 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].start |
7680.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].end |
7682.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].text |
所以我們也推估了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].start |
7682.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].end |
7689.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].text |
要能夠很穩健的推動三班顧病比入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].start |
7689.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].end |
7691.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].text |
那麼跟落地實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].start |
7691.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].end |
7693.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].text |
這個我們有做了詳情的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].start |
7693.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].end |
7694.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].text |
等下說實在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].start |
7694.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].end |
7696.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].text |
兩年內入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].start |
7696.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].end |
7698.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].text |
這個是2023年9月的政見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].start |
7698.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].end |
7700.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].text |
今年是2026年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].start |
7700.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].end |
7702.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].text |
你大概是秋會入委員來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].start |
7702.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].end |
7704.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].text |
然後你們才開始講出說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].start |
7704.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].end |
7707.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].text |
你們要做設置辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].start |
7707.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].end |
7709.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].text |
你們才說要做設置辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].start |
7709.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].end |
7710.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].text |
然後突然卓榮泰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].start |
7710.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].end |
7712.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].text |
還在另外一個護理師的場合說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].start |
7712.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].end |
7714.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].text |
要讓考試變簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].start |
7714.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].end |
7717.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].text |
還跟考試院院長講兩次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].start |
7717.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].end |
7719.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].text |
你如果2023年9月開的支票 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].start |
7719.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].end |
7723.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].text |
怎麼會是2026年才開始做這些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].start |
7723.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].end |
7725.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].text |
不會 我們113年就開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].start |
7725.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].end |
7728.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].text |
討論三班護病法的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].start |
7728.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].end |
7730.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].text |
113年就開始討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].start |
7730.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].end |
7732.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].text |
設定的標準之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].start |
7732.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].end |
7736.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].text |
就導入114年的三班護病比獎勵計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].start |
7736.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].end |
7738.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].text |
跟12項的改革策略 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].start |
7738.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].end |
7740.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].text |
開始挹注資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].start |
7740.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].end |
7741.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].text |
那人力我們現在才看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].start |
7741.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].end |
7743.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].text |
已經開始回流 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].start |
7743.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].end |
7745.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].text |
然後再搭配我們未來所需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].start |
7745.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].end |
7747.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].text |
這個床如果要全開 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].start |
7747.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].end |
7749.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].text |
那麼不關床的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].start |
7749.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].end |
7751.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].text |
是要所需要的人力缺口去推估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].start |
7751.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].end |
7753.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].text |
所以希望能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].start |
7754.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].end |
7756.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].text |
降低護理人員的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].start |
7756.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].end |
7760.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].text |
但是又保障民眾就醫的權益情形之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].start |
7760.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].end |
7763.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].text |
很精準的負責任的去推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].start |
7763.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].end |
7765.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].text |
我等一下舉別的例子給你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].start |
7765.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].end |
7766.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].text |
你看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].start |
7766.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].end |
7769.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].text |
你們108年其實也有修過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].start |
7769.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].end |
7771.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].text |
那個是全日的護病比 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].start |
7771.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].end |
7772.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].text |
對 你看喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].start |
7772.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].end |
7773.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].text |
你看你的最後三行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].start |
7773.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].end |
7774.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].text |
這你自己寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].start |
7774.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].end |
7775.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].text |
魏婆婆自己寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].start |
7775.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].end |
7776.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].text |
她說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].start |
7776.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].end |
7780.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].text |
以維護病人安全與提升醫療品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].start |
7780.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].end |
7784.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].text |
另考量醫院聘僱足夠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].start |
7784.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].end |
7786.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].text |
婦產人員尚需時日 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].start |
7786.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].end |
7790.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].text |
但是你要兼顧護理團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].start |
7790.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].end |
7792.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].text |
期盼早日施行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].start |
7792.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].end |
7794.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].text |
所以108年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].start |
7794.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].end |
7796.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].text |
你是列三個月的緩衝期 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].start |
7796.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].end |
7798.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].text |
你那個時候就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].start |
7798.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].end |
7799.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].text |
我知道啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].start |
7799.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].end |
7801.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].text |
跟你剛講的話一樣嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].start |
7801.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].end |
7803.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].text |
我要維持病人安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].start |
7803.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].end |
7804.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].text |
我要提升醫療品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].start |
7804.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].end |
7806.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].text |
我要讓醫院有時間去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].start |
7806.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].end |
7810.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].text |
但是我也要兼顧護理團體的期盼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].start |
7810.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].end |
7811.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].text |
所以我要早日施行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].start |
7811.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].end |
7814.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].text |
那個時候你的緩衝期是三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].start |
7815.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].end |
7817.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].text |
現在你的緩衝期是兩年耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].start |
7817.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].end |
7818.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].text |
我想問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].start |
7818.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].end |
7820.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].text |
你上禮拜五傍晚的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].start |
7820.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].end |
7822.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].text |
去跟護理很多團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].start |
7822.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].end |
7823.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].text |
不只護理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].start |
7823.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].end |
7825.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].text |
眾多團體溝通的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].start |
7825.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].end |
7826.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].text |
這個是他們的期盼嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].start |
7826.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].end |
7828.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].text |
你講這是他們的期盼嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].start |
7828.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].end |
7831.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].text |
當年的108年的時候呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].start |
7831.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].end |
7833.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].text |
當時候每年的護理人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].start |
7833.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].end |
7836.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].text |
都是增加超過5000到5500 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].start |
7836.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].end |
7838.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].text |
自從我們COVID疫情之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].start |
7838.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].end |
7840.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].text |
這中間有一年呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].start |
7840.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].end |
7844.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].text |
增加到醫院增加的300多位啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].start |
7844.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].end |
7846.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].text |
然後到前年呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].start |
7846.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].end |
7848.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].text |
都還是增加1000多位而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].start |
7848.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].end |
7849.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].text |
是直到去年才慢慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].start |
7849.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].end |
7852.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].text |
所以這兩個時空背景是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].start |
7852.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].end |
7853.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].text |
那第二個呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].start |
7853.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].end |
7856.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].text |
那麼在我們上個禮拜五 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].start |
7856.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].end |
7857.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].text |
跟護理界討論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].start |
7857.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].end |
7858.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].text |
當然他們的期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].start |
7858.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].end |
7863.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].text |
是希望在116年12月或117年1月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].start |
7863.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].end |
7864.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].text |
去實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].start |
7864.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].end |
7867.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].text |
那麼因為這個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].start |
7867.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].end |
7870.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].text |
因為這個時間剛好就是我們冬季 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].start |
7870.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].end |
7872.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].text |
就是流感季來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].start |
7872.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].end |
7873.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].text |
各種的肺炎啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].start |
7873.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].end |
7874.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].text |
重症會增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].start |
7874.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].end |
7877.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].text |
再加上過年的長假 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].start |
7877.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].end |
7878.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].text |
那麼另外過完年之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].start |
7878.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].end |
7880.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].text |
又有一批的離職啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].start |
7880.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].end |
7881.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].text |
都有轉職潮啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].start |
7881.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].end |
7884.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].text |
所以需要有一點點緩衝的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].start |
7884.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].end |
7886.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].text |
所以我才提出的是5月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].start |
7886.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].end |
7887.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].text |
這差四個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].start |
7887.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].end |
7888.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].text |
其實我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].start |
7888.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].end |
7889.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].text |
讓這個過年呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].start |
7889.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].end |
7890.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].text |
不要重現這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].start |
7890.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].end |
7892.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].text |
護理師講的好清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].start |
7892.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].end |
7894.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].text |
講的有夠白話的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].start |
7894.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].end |
7895.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].text |
在舞台上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].start |
7895.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].end |
7897.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].text |
在這個競選舞台上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].start |
7897.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].end |
7899.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].text |
他直接說第一他們要入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].start |
7899.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].end |
7901.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].text |
第二他們要加薪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].start |
7901.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].end |
7904.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].text |
他們就是要改善他們的工作環境嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].start |
7904.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].end |
7906.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].text |
然後提高他們的薪水 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].start |
7906.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].end |
7908.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].text |
就這兩個那麼簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].start |
7908.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].end |
7911.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].text |
你說現在喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].start |
7911.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].end |
7913.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].text |
有護理師執照人有30萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].start |
7913.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].end |
7915.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].text |
願意投入的19萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].start |
7915.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].end |
7916.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].text |
什麼原因很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].start |
7916.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].end |
7918.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].text |
護理師也告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].start |
7918.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].end |
7920.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].text |
結果你的解方居然是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].start |
7920.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].end |
7921.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].text |
把考試變簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].start |
7921.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].end |
7923.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].text |
跟考試院說把考試變簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].start |
7923.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].end |
7924.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].text |
我跟你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].start |
7924.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].end |
7926.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].text |
錄取率已經八成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].start |
7926.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].end |
7927.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].text |
其實你只要去考 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].start |
7927.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].end |
7929.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].text |
八成的人都會過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].start |
7929.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].end |
7931.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].text |
他只是不想要留在這個環境裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].start |
7931.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].end |
7933.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].text |
沒有那麼高啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].start |
7933.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].end |
7935.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].text |
跟委員說明那個錄取率沒有那麼高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].start |
7935.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].end |
7937.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].text |
七成我早上才查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].start |
7937.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].end |
7941.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].text |
只希望說讓這個題目能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].start |
7941.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].end |
7944.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].text |
符合我們的專業的核心職能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].start |
7944.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].end |
7946.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].text |
那麼不要過於刁鑽 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].start |
7946.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].end |
7947.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].text |
就是這樣而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].start |
7949.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].end |
7950.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].text |
他們沒有考不過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].start |
7950.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].end |
7952.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].text |
他們是不願意留在這個職場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].start |
7952.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].end |
7954.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].text |
我從頭到尾就是跟你講這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].start |
7954.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].end |
7956.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].text |
所以白班今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].start |
7956.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].end |
7959.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].text |
白班今天已經從我上任講到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].start |
7959.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].end |
7962.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].text |
白班今天從我第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].start |
7962.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].end |
7964.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].text |
人生第一次總質詢講到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].start |
7964.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].end |
7966.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].text |
白班今天也還沒發 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].start |
7966.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].end |
7968.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].text |
他就在舞台上跟你講他的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].start |
7968.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].end |
7971.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].text |
就是護病比錄法跟加薪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].start |
7971.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].end |
7973.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].text |
就這樣還聽不懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].start |
7973.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].end |
7974.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].text |
真的很奇怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].start |
7974.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].end |
7975.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].start |
7975.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].end |
7977.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].text |
很多護理師說上禮拜五 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].start |
7977.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].end |
7979.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].text |
這些都在推動中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].start |
7979.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].end |
7982.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].text |
我剛剛有聽到你回答別人說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].start |
7982.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].end |
7983.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].text |
你沒有這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].start |
7983.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].end |
7984.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].text |
不過呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].start |
7984.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].end |
7986.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].text |
在現場的人說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].start |
7986.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].end |
7988.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].text |
他聽到多次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].start |
7988.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].end |
7990.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].text |
你說可以來告我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].start |
7990.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].end |
7991.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].text |
可以來告我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].start |
7991.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].end |
7993.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].text |
請問你有這樣子說嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].start |
7993.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].end |
7995.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].text |
因為你沒有回應他們的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].start |
7995.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].end |
7996.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].text |
他已經告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].start |
7996.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].end |
7997.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].text |
這有錄音 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].start |
7997.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].end |
7999.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].text |
這不是我說話的風格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].start |
7999.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].end |
8000.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].text |
我不會這樣說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].start |
8000.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].end |
8001.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].text |
那你會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].start |
8001.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].end |
8003.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].text |
因為我只是跟您說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].start |
8003.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].end |
8004.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].text |
這是一個非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].start |
8004.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].end |
8005.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].text |
護理人員追蹤的粉專 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].start |
8005.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].end |
8007.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].text |
大概2.6萬追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].start |
8007.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].end |
8009.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].text |
那如果他嚴重影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].start |
8009.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].end |
8011.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].text |
他嚴重影響你的聲譽 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].start |
8011.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].end |
8013.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].text |
你要不要做一點動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].start |
8013.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].end |
8014.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].text |
我不會去告人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].start |
8014.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].end |
8016.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].text |
你不會去告人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].start |
8016.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].end |
8018.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].text |
但是這個粉專講的是假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].start |
8018.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].end |
8020.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].text |
你要在這裡跟鏡頭說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].start |
8020.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].end |
8022.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].text |
你沒有講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].start |
8022.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].end |
8023.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].text |
你那篇沒有講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].start |
8023.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].end |
8025.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].text |
我已經不再的澄清 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].start |
8025.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].end |
8026.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].text |
我沒有這樣子的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].start |
8026.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].end |
8029.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].text |
我不會去嗆告任何人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].start |
8029.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].end |
8032.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].text |
這都是理性政策的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].start |
8032.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].end |
8033.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].text |
那麼希望呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].start |
8033.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].end |
8035.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].text |
在所有的政策的推動當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].start |
8035.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].end |
8037.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].text |
能夠平順 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].start |
8037.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].end |
8039.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].text |
減少衝突跟衝擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].start |
8039.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].end |
8041.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].text |
到這個大多數民眾的利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].start |
8041.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].end |
8043.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].text |
只是這樣子的政策討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].start |
8043.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].end |
8046.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].text |
不需要用過於情緒的語言 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].start |
8046.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].end |
8049.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].text |
那為什麼會有這樣子的說法流出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].start |
8049.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].end |
8050.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].text |
你不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].start |
8050.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].end |
8051.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].text |
搞不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].start |
8051.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].end |
8052.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].text |
不知道為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].start |
8052.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].end |
8053.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].text |
這個不是我在意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].start |
8053.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].end |
8054.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].text |
不是你在意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].start |
8054.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].end |
8055.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].text |
因為明天你還要參加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].start |
8055.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].end |
8057.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].text |
護理師大會的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].start |
8057.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].end |
8059.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].text |
我是覺得以你目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].start |
8059.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].end |
8061.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].text |
以你目前的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].start |
8061.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].end |
8063.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].text |
好像沒有回應他們的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].start |
8063.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].end |
8065.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].text |
如果他已經告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].start |
8065.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].end |
8069.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].text |
他2023年9月開給他們的支票 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].start |
8069.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].end |
8073.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].text |
然後很希望求你116年年底 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].start |
8073.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].end |
8075.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].text |
或是117年1月可以做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].start |
8075.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].end |
8077.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].text |
你要不要嘗試拉近這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].start |
8077.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].end |
8079.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].text |
跟護理師之間的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].start |
8079.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].end |
8081.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].text |
在5月5號我們的對話當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].start |
8081.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].end |
8083.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].text |
那麼三項訴求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].start |
8083.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].end |
8085.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].text |
第一個就是希望按照 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].start |
8085.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].end |
8088.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].text |
113年3月1號的標準來入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].start |
8088.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].end |
8090.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].text |
這個我們做到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].start |
8090.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].end |
8092.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].text |
那麼第二個呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].start |
8092.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].end |
8094.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].text |
希望能夠在5月5號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].start |
8094.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].end |
8095.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].text |
在野黨做到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].start |
8096.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].end |
8097.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].text |
No No No No No |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].start |
8097.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].end |
8100.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].text |
我們就是朝這個標準去推動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].start |
8100.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].end |
8101.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].text |
我們在過去這兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].start |
8101.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].end |
8103.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].text |
要不是有村會議委員進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].start |
8103.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].end |
8105.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].text |
你覺得我們有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].start |
8105.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].end |
8106.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].text |
上個禮拜五來表決嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].start |
8107.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].end |
8110.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].text |
我們的開會通知是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].start |
8110.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].end |
8113.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].text |
上個禮拜一就已經發出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].start |
8114.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].end |
8116.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].text |
這個立法院開會之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].start |
8116.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].end |
8117.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].text |
就會議通知就出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].start |
8117.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].end |
8119.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].text |
我們的會議資料上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].start |
8119.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].end |
8121.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].text |
這個三班護病筆的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].start |
8121.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].end |
8123.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].text |
就是113年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].start |
8123.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].end |
8125.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].text |
那個有會議資料可以查證 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].start |
8125.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].end |
8127.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].text |
這個遠在之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].start |
8127.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].end |
8129.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].text |
我在說入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].start |
8129.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].end |
8131.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].text |
我們的醫療機構設置標準裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].start |
8131.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].end |
8133.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].text |
我們去修的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].start |
8133.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].end |
8136.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].text |
上面寫的標準就是113年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].start |
8136.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].end |
8139.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].text |
明天我們就來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].start |
8139.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].end |
8141.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].text |
你在護理師表揚大會上面 |
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8141.49 |
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8143.49 |
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會講出你跟賴清德總統的 |
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8143.49 |
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8145.49 |
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哪些分工委員 |
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我們明天都會收看 |
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你們把一個 |
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8150.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].text |
2023年9月的支票 |
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8150.49 |
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8153.49 |
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搞到2028年5月才要上路 |
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8153.49 |
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8156.49 |
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5月1號的卸任禮物 |
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8156.49 |
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8157.49 |
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太離譜了 |
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8157.49 |
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8158.49 |
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明天我們就來看 |
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8158.49 |
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8160.49 |
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你們是不是要上台講這個 |
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8160.49 |
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8163.49 |
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跟委員說你不要抹滅了 |
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8163.49 |
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8165.49 |
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過去這兩年的努力 |
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8165.49 |
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8167.49 |
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不要抹滅了這個 |
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8167.49 |
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8169.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].text |
過去我們這兩年的努力 |
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8169.49 |
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8172.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].text |
我們投入在護理的預算 |
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8172.49 |
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8174.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].text |
一年超過100億以上 |
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8174.49 |
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8175.49 |
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所以請這個委員 |
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8175.49 |
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8177.49 |
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我們會逐一的給你報告 |
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8177.49 |
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8179.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].text |
這個我們推動的相當多 |
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8179.49 |
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8181.49 |
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我覺得你就像108年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].start |
8181.49 |
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8182.49 |
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你自己發的公文 |
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8182.49 |
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8183.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].text |
你正面的看待 |
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8183.49 |
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8185.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].text |
而且要回應護理團體的訴求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].start |
8185.49 |
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8187.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].text |
所以你希望盡早實行 |
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8187.49 |
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8189.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].text |
你108年可以寫出這樣子的話 |
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8189.49 |
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8191.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].text |
現在卻講不出這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].start |
8191.49 |
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8195.49 |
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人家要2026年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].start |
8195.49 |
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8197.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].text |
2027年年底 |
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8197.49 |
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8199.49 |
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你硬要弄到2028年5月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].start |
8199.49 |
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8200.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].text |
好我們下一個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].start |
8200.49 |
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8202.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].text |
最近我有聽到你對健康幣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].start |
8202.49 |
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8203.49 |
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做了很多發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].start |
8203.49 |
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8204.49 |
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我幫你回憶一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].start |
8204.49 |
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這個是今年3月10號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].start |
8206.49 |
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8208.49 |
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我在總質詢上面說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].start |
8208.49 |
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8209.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].text |
問您的情節 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].start |
8209.49 |
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8210.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].text |
我想問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].start |
8210.49 |
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8211.49 |
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你現在覺得會跳票嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].start |
8211.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].end |
8212.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].text |
整個規劃接近完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].start |
8212.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].end |
8214.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].text |
待我們跟行政院的院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].start |
8214.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].end |
8215.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].text |
報告完畢之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].start |
8215.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].end |
8216.49 |
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就會對外來宣布 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].start |
8216.49 |
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8217.49 |
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是議員會跳票嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].start |
8217.49 |
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8218.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].text |
我問那麼簡單的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].start |
8218.49 |
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8219.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].text |
因為我們還是要跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].start |
8219.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].end |
8220.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].text |
院裡面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].start |
8220.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].end |
8221.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].text |
還有現在最後的手續 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].start |
8221.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].end |
8223.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].text |
正在做最後的確認當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].start |
8223.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].end |
8225.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].text |
這些基礎的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].start |
8225.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].end |
8226.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].text |
因為它是兩個APP |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].start |
8226.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].end |
8227.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].text |
一個是健康存摺的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].start |
8227.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].end |
8228.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].text |
這個已經堆疊了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].start |
8228.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].end |
8229.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].text |
另外是這個Hell's goal的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].start |
8229.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].end |
8230.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].text |
現在正在改版 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].start |
8230.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].end |
8231.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].text |
還沒有完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].start |
8231.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].end |
8232.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].text |
那你4月到底會不會跳票 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].start |
8232.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].end |
8233.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].text |
我們朝這個目標來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].start |
8233.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].end |
8234.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].text |
所以你跳票了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].start |
8234.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].end |
8235.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].text |
我們現在5月11號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].start |
8235.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].end |
8236.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].text |
還在問你這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].start |
8236.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].end |
8237.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].text |
對吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].start |
8237.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].end |
8238.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].text |
我很謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].start |
8238.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].end |
8239.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].text |
因為你那個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].start |
8239.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].end |
8240.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].text |
關心這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].start |
8240.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].end |
8242.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].text |
我們就朝這個目標來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].start |
8242.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].end |
8244.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].text |
現在已經5月11了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].start |
8244.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].end |
8245.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].text |
繼續努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].start |
8245.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].end |
8246.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].text |
努力到幾月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].start |
8249.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].end |
8250.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].text |
這邊我們看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].start |
8250.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].end |
8253.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].text |
羅一鈞署長出來受訪的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].start |
8253.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].end |
8254.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].text |
沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].start |
8254.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].end |
8256.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].text |
羅一鈞署長出來受訪的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].start |
8256.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].end |
8258.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].text |
他說拼下半年上路 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].start |
8258.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].end |
8260.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].text |
但是你3月10號的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].start |
8260.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].end |
8262.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].text |
是說你會朝4月來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].start |
8262.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].end |
8263.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].text |
你今年年初是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].start |
8263.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].end |
8265.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].text |
大張旗幟的跟所有的媒體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].start |
8265.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].end |
8267.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].text |
說你4月就要上路 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].start |
8267.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].end |
8268.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].text |
現在5月11了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].start |
8268.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].end |
8269.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].text |
沒有辦法上路 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].start |
8269.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].end |
8271.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].text |
羅一鈞說下半年上路 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].start |
8271.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].end |
8272.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].text |
好 請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].start |
8273.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].end |
8275.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].text |
你3月的時候答詢說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].start |
8275.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].end |
8278.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].text |
大部分都已經規劃好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].start |
8278.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].end |
8280.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].text |
那你是公然在欺騙大家嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].start |
8280.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].end |
8282.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].text |
那你要等到今年年底的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].start |
8282.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].end |
8283.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].text |
你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].start |
8283.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].end |
8285.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].text |
我很謝謝委員對我們這個健康幣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].start |
8285.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].end |
8286.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].text |
這麼熱衷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].start |
8286.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].end |
8288.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].text |
那麼也那麼重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].start |
8288.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].end |
8289.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].text |
我沒有熱衷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].start |
8289.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].end |
8291.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].text |
是因為你一直講不一樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].start |
8291.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].end |
8292.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].text |
我們把它做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].start |
8292.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].end |
8295.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].text |
讓大家都很享受 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].start |
8295.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].end |
8296.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].text |
這個健康幣變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].start |
8296.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].end |
8298.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].text |
大家的群體的運動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].start |
8298.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].end |
8299.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].text |
你現在不想壓月份了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].start |
8299.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].end |
8300.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].text |
不壓了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].start |
8300.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].end |
8301.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].text |
下半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].start |
8302.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].end |
8303.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].text |
現在講不出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].start |
8303.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].end |
8305.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].text |
一定會上路 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].start |
8305.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].end |
8306.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].text |
一定會上路 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].start |
8306.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].end |
8307.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].text |
好 那我們再看這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].start |
8307.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].end |
8310.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].text |
到底你有沒有要用你那個見習聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].start |
8310.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].end |
8311.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].text |
你上次批評蠻多的見習聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].start |
8311.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].end |
8312.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].text |
我們播一下影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].start |
8313.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].end |
8315.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].text |
這個APP花了900萬開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].start |
8315.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].end |
8316.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].text |
900萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].start |
8316.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].end |
8317.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].text |
然後我幫你統計了一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].start |
8317.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].end |
8318.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].text |
下載量只有500次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].start |
8318.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].end |
8320.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].text |
每天下載的次數是5次 |
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8320.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].end |
8322.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].text |
你操作過了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].start |
8322.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].end |
8324.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].text |
剛才我們講的健康幣不是這個APP |
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8324.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].end |
8325.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].text |
這個是你在內部上講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].start |
8325.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].end |
8326.85 |
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不是這個APP |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].start |
8328.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].end |
8331.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].text |
3月10號質詢你說不會用這個APP |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].start |
8331.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].end |
8333.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].text |
3月15的新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].start |
8333.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].end |
8334.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].text |
你又跟記者說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].start |
8334.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].end |
8335.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].text |
你要用這個APP |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].start |
8335.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].end |
8337.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].text |
請問這五天又發生什麼事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].start |
8337.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].end |
8340.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].text |
這是我們在既有的基礎上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].start |
8340.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].end |
8342.11 |
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不要再多更多的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].start |
8342.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].end |
8344.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].text |
因為委員提到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].start |
8344.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].end |
8346.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].text |
之前這個Hell's goal |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].start |
8346.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].end |
8349.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].text |
是有這個預算去開發出來 |
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8349.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].end |
8350.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].text |
那我們也不希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].start |
8350.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].end |
8353.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].text |
已經開發的東西就把它捨棄 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].start |
8353.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].end |
8355.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].text |
所以說我們把它做改版 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].start |
8355.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].end |
8357.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].text |
在經費節省的期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].start |
8357.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].end |
8358.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].text |
改版 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].start |
8358.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].end |
8361.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].text |
你3月總值日就說改版就好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].start |
8361.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].end |
8363.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].text |
你說不是用這個APP |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].start |
8363.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].end |
8365.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].text |
過五天又說要用這個APP |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].start |
8365.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].end |
8368.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].text |
就是不是用原來的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].start |
8368.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].end |
8370.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].text |
所謂的見習聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].start |
8370.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].end |
8371.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].text |
這個名稱就會改掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].start |
8371.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].end |
8373.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].text |
就不叫做見習聲了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].start |
8373.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].end |
8375.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].text |
改版改名字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].start |
8375.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].end |
8376.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].text |
但這是同一個APP |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].start |
8377.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].end |
8379.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].text |
就是它的功能已經不同了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].start |
8380.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].end |
8382.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].text |
沒關係我們先來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].start |
8382.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].end |
8383.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].text |
這個要自己輸的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].start |
8383.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].end |
8384.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].text |
這個APP我非常不滿意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].start |
8384.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].end |
8385.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].text |
你花九百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].start |
8385.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].end |
8386.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].text |
所以才要求它轉型 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].start |
8386.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].end |
8387.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].text |
這個是國建署事前開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].start |
8387.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].end |
8389.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].text |
所以你九百萬都要捨棄了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].start |
8389.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].end |
8391.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].text |
不會不會這個未來你會很滿意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].start |
8391.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].end |
8392.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].text |
那你九百萬做了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].start |
8392.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].end |
8393.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].text |
我看到的是這樣健康比較相入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].start |
8395.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].end |
8397.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].text |
當天你說花了九百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].start |
8397.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].end |
8398.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].text |
做了這個見習聲APP |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].start |
8398.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].end |
8399.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].text |
我已經跟你講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].start |
8399.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].end |
8401.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].text |
平均一天下載人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].start |
8401.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].end |
8403.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].text |
總共500人下載 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].start |
8404.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].end |
8405.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].text |
這個錢是丟到水裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].start |
8405.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].end |
8407.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].text |
因為他做出一個電子機事簿 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].start |
8407.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].end |
8408.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].text |
我們現在請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].start |
8408.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].end |
8409.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].text |
有在看國會直播 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].start |
8409.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].end |
8413.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].text |
全國的資訊系資工系的學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].start |
8413.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].end |
8415.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].text |
你們做出見習聲這個APP |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].start |
8415.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].end |
8416.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].text |
你們需要多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].start |
8416.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].end |
8418.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].text |
但是我想跟大家講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].start |
8420.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].end |
8422.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].text |
這個APP你自己在國會電腦說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].start |
8422.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].end |
8424.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].text |
你很不滿意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].start |
8425.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].end |
8429.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].text |
結果你另外編了1900萬的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].start |
8429.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].end |
8431.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].text |
找另外一家公司改版 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].start |
8431.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].end |
8433.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].text |
就你剛剛講的改名改版 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].start |
8433.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].end |
8436.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].text |
又找了同一家公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].start |
8436.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].end |
8440.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].text |
去做專業行銷跟專案管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].start |
8440.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].end |
8444.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].text |
又是1900萬全國的資工系 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].start |
8444.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].end |
8445.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].text |
資訊系的學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].start |
8445.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].end |
8448.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].text |
我請大家要不要來參加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].start |
8448.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].end |
8450.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].text |
衛福部的這個標案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].start |
8450.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].end |
8451.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].text |
你花九百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].start |
8451.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].end |
8454.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].text |
做出一個連衛福部長都說爛的APP |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].start |
8454.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].end |
8457.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].text |
你可以再獲得1900萬的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].start |
8457.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].end |
8460.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].text |
參加會的行銷跟專案管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].start |
8460.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].end |
8461.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].start |
8461.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].end |
8463.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].text |
那個這個見習聲的APP |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].start |
8463.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].end |
8464.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].text |
其實因為後來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].start |
8464.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].end |
8466.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].text |
還要再跟健康準則對接 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].start |
8466.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].end |
8468.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].text |
也要再去跟這些大B |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].start |
8468.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].end |
8470.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].text |
像是超商的對接 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].start |
8470.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].end |
8471.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].text |
所以它其實還有一些功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].start |
8471.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].end |
8473.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].text |
必須再優化必須再開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].start |
8473.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].end |
8474.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].text |
沒有我只問你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].start |
8474.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].end |
8478.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].text |
九百萬做出了你們很不滿意的APP |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].start |
8478.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].end |
8480.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].text |
你們又找同一家廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].start |
8480.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].end |
8482.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].text |
又花了1900萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].start |
8482.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].end |
8485.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].text |
要他做行銷跟專案管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].start |
8485.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].end |
8486.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].text |
請問這個是什麼道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].start |
8486.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].end |
8488.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].text |
一般來說任何一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].start |
8488.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].end |
8489.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].text |
或者是其他部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].start |
8489.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].end |
8491.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].text |
我不知道其他部會不會這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].start |
8491.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].end |
8495.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].text |
一般來說所有的所有的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].start |
8495.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].end |
8497.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].text |
如果你找來一家廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].start |
8497.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].end |
8498.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].text |
做了一個九百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].start |
8498.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].end |
8499.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].text |
你很不滿意的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].start |
8499.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].end |
8500.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].text |
你還會再找他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].start |
8500.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].end |
8501.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].text |
你又找他了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].start |
8501.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].end |
8503.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].text |
你又找他了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].start |
8503.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].end |
8506.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].text |
我們所有的這個採購都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].start |
8506.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].end |
8509.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].text |
根據公開招標的採購程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].start |
8509.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].end |
8511.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].text |
所以並沒有預設的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].start |
8511.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].end |
8513.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].text |
那麼至於現在接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].start |
8513.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].end |
8514.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].text |
因為他要轉型 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].start |
8514.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].end |
8516.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].text |
他不是做原本這樣的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].start |
8516.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].end |
8518.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].text |
他還要跟民間去對接 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].start |
8518.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].end |
8520.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].text |
就是PPP的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].start |
8520.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].end |
8521.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].text |
有些人問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].start |
8521.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].end |
8525.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].text |
上次他花了我們的名指名高九百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].start |
8525.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].end |
8527.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].text |
做了一個衛福部長說很爛的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].start |
8527.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].end |
8529.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].text |
你有跟他開檢討報告嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].start |
8529.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].end |
8531.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].text |
你們有開檢討會議嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].start |
8532.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].end |
8533.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].text |
所以我們在做優化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].start |
8533.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].end |
8535.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].text |
把這個APP要做優化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].start |
8535.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].end |
8537.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].text |
不是啊你們有開檢討報告嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].start |
8538.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].end |
8540.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].text |
他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].start |
8553.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].end |
8554.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].text |
所以我們現在在做優化 |
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8554.97 |
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8557.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].text |
我們要做新的功能進去 |
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8557.97 |
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8558.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].text |
然後強化他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].start |
8558.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].end |
8561.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].text |
跟我們健康必要推動的連結 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].start |
8561.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].end |
8562.97 |
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有這麼多人可以找 |
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8562.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].end |
8563.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].text |
你找一個 |
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8563.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].end |
8566.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].text |
這個都是公開招標的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].start |
8566.97 |
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8568.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].text |
我們也不是特定去指定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].start |
8568.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].end |
8571.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].text |
沒關係我們就讓大家看一看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].start |
8571.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].end |
8572.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].text |
全國的資訊系 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].start |
8572.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].end |
8573.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].text |
資工系的學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].start |
8573.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].end |
8575.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].text |
我相信你們的能力更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].start |
8575.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].end |
8577.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].text |
我相信你們的能力更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].start |
8577.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].end |
8578.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].text |
你們做出那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].start |
8578.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].end |
8579.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].text |
見習生九百萬那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].start |
8579.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].end |
8581.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].text |
說不定十分之一的錢都做到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].start |
8581.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].end |
8582.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].text |
我們就讓大家公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].start |
8582.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].end |
8583.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].text |
我們來看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].start |
8583.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].end |
8585.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].text |
我想跟你要幾樣東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].start |
8585.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].end |
8587.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].text |
第一你到底有沒有跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].start |
8587.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].end |
8589.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].text |
九百萬丟到水裡的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].start |
8589.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].end |
8590.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].text |
做檢討報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].start |
8590.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].end |
8592.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].text |
會議報告我想要索取 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].start |
8595.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].end |
8597.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].text |
一周內你提供所有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].start |
8597.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].end |
8598.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].text |
目前健康必的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].start |
8598.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].end |
8599.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].text |
跟完整的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].start |
8599.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].end |
8601.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].text |
包括你未來的規劃細節 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].start |
8602.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].end |
8603.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].text |
一周內來得及嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].start |
8604.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].end |
8606.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].text |
這個檢討報告那個都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].start |
8606.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].end |
8608.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].text |
這個所有的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].start |
8608.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].end |
8610.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].text |
都會有期末的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].start |
8610.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].end |
8612.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].text |
我們可以把那個期末的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].start |
8612.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].end |
8614.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].text |
那大概多久可以跟你要到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].start |
8614.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].end |
8615.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].text |
一個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].start |
8615.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].end |
8616.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].text |
一個禮拜可以拿到檢討報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].start |
8616.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].end |
8618.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].text |
那未來你健康必的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].start |
8618.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].end |
8620.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].text |
因為剛才我們先開了好多個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].start |
8620.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].end |
8621.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].text |
你什麼都沒講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].start |
8621.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].end |
8623.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].text |
好多個這個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].start |
8623.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].end |
8625.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].text |
都已經差不多都是Ready |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].start |
8625.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].end |
8627.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].text |
我們可以整理一下給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].start |
8627.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].end |
8629.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].text |
可以可以整理一下給委員參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].start |
8629.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].end |
8631.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].text |
謝謝部長謝謝署長謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].start |
8631.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].end |
8633.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].text |
謝謝謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].start |
8633.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].end |
8635.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].text |
謝謝曾經會委員的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].start |
8635.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].end |
8637.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].text |
現在請圖權及委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].start |
8647.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].end |
8648.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].text |
好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].start |
8648.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].end |
8650.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].text |
那部長先休息一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].start |
8650.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].end |
8653.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].text |
先請一下我們食藥署的江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].start |
8653.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].end |
8655.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].text |
食藥署江署江志剛署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].start |
8662.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].end |
8664.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].text |
署長我請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].start |
8664.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].end |
8666.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].text |
最近有一個周刊在爆料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].start |
8666.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].end |
8668.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].text |
就是他那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].start |
8668.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].end |
8670.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].text |
有關於一歲幼兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].start |
8670.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].end |
8671.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].text |
他吃的果乾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].start |
8671.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].end |
8673.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].text |
後來他自行送驗之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].start |
8673.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].end |
8675.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].text |
發現有超標的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].start |
8675.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].end |
8677.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].text |
那我想請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].start |
8677.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].end |
8679.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].text |
我們是不是針對一幼兒的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].start |
8679.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].end |
8681.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].text |
應該也會比一般食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].start |
8681.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].end |
8683.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].text |
來標準來的嚴格對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].start |
8684.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].end |
8685.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].start |
8685.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].end |
8687.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].text |
我們對於一幼兒食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].start |
8687.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].end |
8688.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].text |
他的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].start |
8688.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].end |
8690.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].text |
我們基於對幼兒保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].start |
8690.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].end |
8692.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].text |
一幼兒分為我們三歲以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].start |
8692.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].end |
8694.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].text |
以0到1歲1到3歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].start |
8694.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].end |
8696.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].text |
所以對幼兒的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].start |
8696.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].end |
8698.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].text |
一幼兒的部分我們都有特定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].start |
8698.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].end |
8700.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].text |
那對於特定的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].start |
8700.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].end |
8702.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].text |
我們對於直接食用的一個概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].start |
8702.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].end |
8705.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].text |
那標準應該是會比一般食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].start |
8705.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].end |
8706.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].text |
會比較嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].start |
8706.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].end |
8708.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].text |
那針對我們知道這一個個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].start |
8708.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].end |
8710.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].text |
我們有去有特別去查過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].start |
8710.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].end |
8711.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].start |
8711.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].end |
8712.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].text |
那查完之後他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].start |
8712.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].end |
8714.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].text |
我們發現了他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].start |
8714.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].end |
8716.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].text |
進來的時候他並不是用一幼兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].start |
8716.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].end |
8718.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].text |
而是平台很像把他定在一幼兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].start |
8718.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].end |
8720.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].text |
所以我有跟同仁們講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].start |
8720.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].end |
8723.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].text |
如果是這樣子會比較偏從嚴來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].start |
8723.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].end |
8725.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].text |
從嚴來考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].start |
8725.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].end |
8726.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].text |
所以像 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].start |
8726.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].end |
8727.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].text |
如果他沒有的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].start |
8727.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].end |
8728.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].text |
他是一般的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].start |
8728.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].end |
8730.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].text |
那我們從後面的查驗登記裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].start |
8730.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].end |
8732.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].text |
他自己登錄的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].start |
8732.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].end |
8734.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].text |
其實是比較偏向是一般食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].start |
8734.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].end |
8735.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].text |
所以他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].start |
8735.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].end |
8736.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].text |
對沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].start |
8736.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].end |
8738.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].text |
標的不好的不是不適當 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].start |
8738.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].end |
8739.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].text |
我現在針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].start |
8739.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].end |
8741.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].text |
那像我們果乾這一類的加工品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].start |
8741.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].end |
8744.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].text |
他在農藥殘留管理的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].start |
8744.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].end |
8747.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].text |
他這個容許量的標準有訂定嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].start |
8748.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].end |
8749.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].text |
對於這個水果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].start |
8749.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].end |
8752.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].text |
他製成果乾其實是一個製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].start |
8752.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].end |
8753.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].text |
這製程的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].start |
8753.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].end |
8756.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].text |
大部分來自於水分會被 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].start |
8756.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].end |
8757.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].text |
被乾燥化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].start |
8757.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].end |
8759.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].text |
所以水會變少會濃縮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].start |
8759.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].end |
8760.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].text |
所以他農藥的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].start |
8761.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].end |
8762.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].text |
農藥會變 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].start |
8762.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].end |
8763.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].text |
但是水變了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].start |
8763.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].end |
8765.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].text |
所以總重量是變了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].start |
8765.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].end |
8766.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].text |
所以分母的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].start |
8766.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].end |
8768.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].text |
其實會變成是變小了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].start |
8768.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].end |
8770.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].text |
所以分子的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].start |
8770.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].end |
8772.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].text |
假如是農藥其實沒有變 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].start |
8772.67 |
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8774.67 |
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一除起來就會變大 |
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8774.67 |
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8775.67 |
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但是分母變小 |
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8775.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].end |
8776.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].text |
對分母變小 |
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8776.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].end |
8780.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].text |
所以你去測他這個農藥殘留的標準 |
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8780.67 |
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8781.67 |
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就測起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].start |
8781.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].end |
8783.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].text |
因為他分母變小就變提高了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].start |
8783.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].end |
8784.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].start |
8784.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].end |
8786.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].text |
所以在這一項裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].start |
8786.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].end |
8788.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].text |
如果他是一般的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].start |
8789.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].end |
8792.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].text |
那我們又回歸到他所謂的先食重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].start |
8792.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].end |
8794.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].text |
所以先食重就是我們舉個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].start |
8794.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].end |
8796.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].text |
他是用草莓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].start |
8796.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].end |
8799.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].text |
那草莓濃縮之後的草莓乾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].start |
8799.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].end |
8800.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].text |
跟原來的草莓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].start |
8800.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].end |
8803.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].text |
我們會以他原來的原料端 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].start |
8803.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].end |
8806.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].text |
當作是我們最重要的評估的基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].start |
8806.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].end |
8807.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].text |
所以一般食品我們都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].start |
8807.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].end |
8809.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].text |
從這個觀點來去進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].start |
8809.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].end |
8812.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].text |
那我們現在針對一歲以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].start |
8812.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].end |
8813.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].text |
跟一歲以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].start |
8813.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].end |
8815.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].text |
因為他這個食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].start |
8815.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].end |
8818.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].text |
我們在商品包裝或者廣告內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].start |
8818.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].end |
8822.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].text |
我們衛福部會去要求他去做特別的標示嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].start |
8822.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].end |
8825.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].text |
對 因為今年年初的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].start |
8825.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].end |
8828.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].text |
也遇到海苔相關的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].start |
8828.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].end |
8831.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].text |
那海苔事件我們也系統性的也查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].start |
8831.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].end |
8835.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].text |
所以對於他是直接標定在嬰幼兒使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].start |
8835.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].end |
8838.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].text |
我們就用嬰幼兒使用的標準來去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].start |
8838.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].end |
8840.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].text |
那嬰幼兒標準裡面特別是重金屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].start |
8841.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].end |
8843.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].text |
重金屬的標準跟我們一般 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].start |
8843.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].end |
8845.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].text |
重金屬好像環境背景的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].start |
8845.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].end |
8849.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].text |
跟我們現在適用的農藥標準的採收的概念是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].start |
8849.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].end |
8852.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].text |
可是我們在商品包裝跟廣告內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].start |
8852.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].end |
8855.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].text |
我們會要求他去特別標示嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].start |
8855.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].end |
8858.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].text |
不然我今天是家長 我要去買這個食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].start |
8858.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].end |
8862.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].text |
我怎麼知道他適不適合我們嬰兒使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].start |
8862.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].end |
8865.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].text |
所以在一歲以上或一歲以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].start |
8865.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].end |
8868.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].text |
這個食品應該要有一個明確的標章 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].start |
8868.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].end |
8871.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].text |
不然我們去買的時候我根本不知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].start |
8871.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].end |
8873.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].text |
這是不是適合嬰兒使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].start |
8873.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].end |
8874.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].text |
謝謝委員的指導 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].start |
8874.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].end |
8877.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].text |
就是因為我們從一月份一路走下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].start |
8877.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].end |
8880.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].text |
我們看到的 整個去做國際的調和 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].start |
8880.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].end |
8883.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].text |
我們去發現韓國也是今年他是海苔大廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].start |
8883.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].end |
8886.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].text |
韓國也是今年一月份開始做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].start |
8886.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].end |
8888.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].text |
對於嬰幼兒的標示呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].start |
8888.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].end |
8891.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].text |
你如果是宣稱嬰幼兒一定要標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].start |
8891.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].end |
8893.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].text |
而且一定有更嚴格的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].start |
8893.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].end |
8897.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].text |
所以我們現在是針對這個快速把我們草案擬定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].start |
8897.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].end |
8900.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].text |
接下來就會徵求大家的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].start |
8900.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].end |
8901.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].text |
跟委員也報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].start |
8901.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].end |
8904.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].text |
我本來以為說海苔這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].start |
8904.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].end |
8906.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].text |
幾乎是海洋等等會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].start |
8906.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].end |
8908.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].text |
就很困難嬰幼兒使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].start |
8908.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].end |
8910.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].text |
後來發現進出口關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].start |
8910.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].end |
8912.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].text |
我們現在是逐批檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].start |
8913.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].end |
8916.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].text |
進口的海苔還是可以符合嬰幼兒標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].start |
8916.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].end |
8919.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].text |
表示整個污染的背景是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].start |
8919.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].end |
8921.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].text |
所以也可以找到是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].start |
8921.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].end |
8923.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].text |
但對於農藥這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].start |
8923.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].end |
8926.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].text |
以及我們草莓 舉個草莓的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].start |
8926.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].end |
8929.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].text |
它就是先食類的 然後去幹燥 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].start |
8929.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].end |
8931.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].text |
所以我們對於未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].start |
8931.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].end |
8934.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].text |
我們在思考農藥是我們另外貼加進去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].start |
8934.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].end |
8936.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].text |
所以對於我們嬰幼兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].start |
8936.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].end |
8938.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].text |
假如宣稱嬰幼兒的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].start |
8938.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].end |
8941.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].text |
還是要有嚴格的標準為原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].start |
8941.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].end |
8943.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].text |
這個是我們會去努力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].start |
8943.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].end |
8945.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].text |
所以剛剛署長也有講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].start |
8945.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].end |
8947.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].text |
其實針對這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].start |
8947.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].end |
8948.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].text |
我們就凸顯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].start |
8948.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].end |
8950.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].text |
希望你當然去檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].start |
8951.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].end |
8952.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].text |
標準嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].start |
8952.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].end |
8956.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].text |
但是我們一定要在商品包裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].start |
8956.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].end |
8959.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].text |
廣告內容上很明確的讓消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].start |
8959.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].end |
8961.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].text |
讓家長可以知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].start |
8961.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].end |
8965.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].text |
這個是適合一歲以上以下去使用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].start |
8965.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].end |
8967.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].text |
這部分希望趕快來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].start |
8967.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].end |
8970.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].text |
特別是這一歲以下的嬰幼兒的配方食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].start |
8970.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].end |
8972.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].text |
鼓類輔助食品直接吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].start |
8972.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].end |
8976.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].text |
跟我們這個可能是零食給小朋友的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].start |
8976.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].end |
8979.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].text |
他們回歸的標準上面會不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].start |
8979.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].end |
8981.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].text |
像這樣子會回歸是先食類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].start |
8981.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].end |
8984.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].text |
那對於我們的配方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].start |
8984.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].end |
8986.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].text |
特別是輔助用的食品的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].start |
8986.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].end |
8989.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].text |
就是他從喝奶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].start |
8989.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].end |
8991.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].text |
然後轉到我們的食品的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].start |
8991.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].end |
8992.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].text |
會有一些輔助食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].start |
8992.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].end |
8993.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].text |
那個嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].start |
8993.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].end |
8995.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].text |
如果我們對於國際的農藥標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].start |
8995.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].end |
8997.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].text |
會採取嚴格0.01的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].start |
8997.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].end |
8999.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].text |
所以輔助食品的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].start |
8999.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].end |
9000.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].text |
我們會特別是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].start |
9000.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].end |
9001.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].text |
其他的產品原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].start |
9001.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].end |
9004.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].text |
還是會以一併按營養原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].start |
9004.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].end |
9006.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].text |
所以如果是要標示給孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].start |
9006.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].end |
9007.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].text |
嬰幼兒使用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].start |
9007.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].end |
9009.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].text |
我覺得那個特別的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].start |
9009.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].end |
9011.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].text |
是用0.01的農藥標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].start |
9011.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].end |
9013.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].text |
是特定的一個概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].start |
9013.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].end |
9014.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].text |
希望署長針對這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].start |
9014.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].end |
9016.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].text |
我們盡量標示清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].start |
9016.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].end |
9020.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].text |
不要造成類似這樣家長在選購給嬰兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].start |
9020.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].end |
9022.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].text |
幼兒使用的時候造成困擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].start |
9022.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].end |
9024.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].text |
這部分我們再加強一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].start |
9024.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].end |
9025.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].start |
9025.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].end |
9027.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].text |
好那請我們部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].start |
9029.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].end |
9030.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].text |
請司部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].start |
9033.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].end |
9035.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].text |
好部長好謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].start |
9035.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].end |
9037.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].text |
那針對我們目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].start |
9037.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].end |
9040.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].text |
除了我們社工保證人的地位問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].start |
9040.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].end |
9042.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].text |
還有社工司法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].start |
9042.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].end |
9043.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].text |
我們這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].start |
9043.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].end |
9046.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].text |
我們都等待衛福部跟業界的社工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].start |
9046.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].end |
9048.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].text |
來共同來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].start |
9048.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].end |
9050.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].text |
那現在我們現在面臨一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].start |
9050.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].end |
9052.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].text |
社工缺口很大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].start |
9052.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].end |
9054.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].text |
光是我們六都 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].start |
9054.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].end |
9056.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].text |
社會局我們查了一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].start |
9056.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].end |
9059.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].text |
社工人數新北市缺了206人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].start |
9059.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].end |
9062.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].text |
桃園缺了157人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].start |
9062.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].end |
9064.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].text |
高雄缺了141人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].start |
9064.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].end |
9068.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].text |
其實各地的社會局都跟中央呼籲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].start |
9068.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].end |
9072.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].text |
我們要提升社工的薪資待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].start |
9072.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].end |
9074.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].text |
跟留任的誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].start |
9074.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].end |
9078.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].text |
那不然你看現在這個社工缺口這麼大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].start |
9078.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].end |
9080.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].text |
那不知道部長針對這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].start |
9080.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].end |
9081.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].text |
我們有什麼方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].start |
9081.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].end |
9085.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].text |
來讓我們這些社工能夠留財久用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].start |
9085.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].end |
9087.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].text |
或者延攬新人進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].start |
9087.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].end |
9088.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].text |
好跟我們說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].start |
9088.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].end |
9091.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].text |
在這個預算的部分我們有編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].start |
9091.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].end |
9095.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].text |
像要持續的增加社工的一些專業人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].start |
9095.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].end |
9098.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].text |
這個在預算我們裡面已經有編列了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].start |
9098.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].end |
9101.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].text |
那至於在他的這個加給的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].start |
9101.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].end |
9103.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].text |
我們現在也在研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].start |
9103.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].end |
9105.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].text |
因為之前有設了一些加給 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].start |
9105.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].end |
9107.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].text |
那麼是不是要再提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].start |
9107.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].end |
9109.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].text |
這個目前也在研議當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].start |
9109.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].end |
9112.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].text |
因為我看到當然我們這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].start |
9112.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].end |
9115.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].text |
本來從37,765 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].start |
9115.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].end |
9119.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].text |
有調整到38,898 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].start |
9119.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].end |
9123.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].text |
可是看起來這個沒什麼效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].start |
9123.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].end |
9126.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].text |
那因為我們查了一下各縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].start |
9126.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].end |
9129.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].text |
他針對社工這個低薪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].start |
9129.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].end |
9131.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].text |
其實連縣市首長都看不下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].start |
9131.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].end |
9133.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].text |
後來我們了解之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].start |
9133.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].end |
9139.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].text |
縣市首長說他們想要增加這些社工的薪資待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].start |
9139.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].end |
9141.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].text |
可是礙於我們衛福部的法規限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].start |
9141.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].end |
9143.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].text |
他沒有辦法去增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].start |
9143.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].end |
9145.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].text |
所以他看到社工缺那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].start |
9145.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].end |
9146.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].text |
他也沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].start |
9146.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].end |
9150.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].text |
因為完全是衛福部的規定卡住 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].start |
9150.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].end |
9153.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].text |
讓他們沒有辦法去增加待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].start |
9153.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].end |
9155.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].text |
來增加這個社工的人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].start |
9155.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].end |
9157.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].text |
那是不是這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].start |
9157.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].end |
9158.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].text |
部長針對這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].start |
9158.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].end |
9160.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].text |
我們是有改進的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].start |
9160.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].end |
9161.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].text |
您的意思是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].start |
9161.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].end |
9163.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].text |
因為我們這個年資加給的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].start |
9163.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].end |
9166.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].text |
把它限制到多高7年是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].start |
9166.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].end |
9168.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].text |
縣市首長想要加薪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].start |
9168.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].end |
9169.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].text |
增加社工人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].start |
9169.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].end |
9170.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].text |
可是他不能加 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].start |
9170.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].end |
9172.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].text |
他說因為衛福部的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].start |
9174.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].end |
9176.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].text |
他說這衛福部法規限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].start |
9176.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].end |
9178.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].text |
他不能增加社工的薪水 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].start |
9178.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].end |
9179.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].text |
不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].start |
9179.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].end |
9180.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].text |
我們有限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].start |
9180.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].end |
9182.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].text |
他說這個是你們規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].start |
9182.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].end |
9183.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].text |
規定在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].start |
9183.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].end |
9185.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].text |
他縣市首長想要增加社工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].start |
9185.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].end |
9187.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].text |
想要調高他的待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].start |
9187.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].end |
9188.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].text |
但他不能做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].start |
9189.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].end |
9190.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].text |
來你來說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].start |
9190.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].end |
9193.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].text |
謝謝委員關心社工的薪資跟福利待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].start |
9193.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].end |
9197.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].text |
那委員您現在顯示的這張表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].start |
9197.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].end |
9200.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].text |
我們補助民間社工薪資的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].start |
9200.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].end |
9204.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].text |
那的確就是每年經過考核之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].start |
9204.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].end |
9205.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].text |
如果他不錯的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].start |
9205.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].end |
9207.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].text |
就可以進階現在是七級 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].start |
9207.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].end |
9209.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].text |
但是在三網2.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].start |
9209.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].end |
9210.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].text |
我們也跟行政院爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].start |
9210.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].end |
9212.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].text |
我們要延議把它擴大到十級 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].start |
9212.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].end |
9215.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].text |
那另外在民間社工的薪資 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].start |
9215.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].end |
9218.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].text |
我們在前兩年也奉行這份核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].start |
9218.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].end |
9221.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].text |
一旦這個公務人員調薪的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].start |
9221.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].end |
9225.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].text |
我們的那個基本的那個薪資也會跟著調 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].start |
9225.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].end |
9227.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].text |
這是第一個是民間社工薪資 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].start |
9227.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].end |
9229.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].text |
我們所做的一個努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].start |
9229.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].end |
9232.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].text |
那前面委員有關切到關於社安網的社工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].start |
9232.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].end |
9234.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].text |
那社安網的社工是公部門的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].start |
9234.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].end |
9235.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].text |
約聘的社工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].start |
9235.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].end |
9237.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].text |
那在社安網的2.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].start |
9237.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].end |
9238.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].text |
我們也做一些努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].start |
9238.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].end |
9240.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].text |
我們把那個最高的天花板 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].start |
9240.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].end |
9243.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].text |
我們又再往上加了一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].start |
9243.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].end |
9245.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].text |
那還有就是我們現在也在檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].start |
9245.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].end |
9247.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].text |
關於那個風險加急 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].start |
9247.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].end |
9250.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].text |
我們也想要來參考其他的專業人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].start |
9250.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].end |
9252.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].text |
想要來做一些調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].start |
9252.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].end |
9253.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].text |
我們正在討論當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].start |
9253.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].end |
9257.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].text |
但是最後的核定要人事總處這邊來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].start |
9257.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].end |
9259.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].text |
就是來核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].start |
9259.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].end |
9262.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].text |
那剛剛有提到我們在回覆桃園縣政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].start |
9262.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].end |
9264.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].text |
有提到有一些薪資的一個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].start |
9264.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].end |
9267.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].text |
的確是人種這邊會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].start |
9267.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].end |
9269.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].text |
它有一個統一的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].start |
9269.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].end |
9271.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].text |
但是我們也得到一些好消息 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].start |
9271.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].end |
9273.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].text |
是人種也提到他們現在也在檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].start |
9273.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].end |
9276.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].text |
關於公務人員的專業加急 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].start |
9276.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].end |
9278.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].text |
所以我們就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].start |
9278.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].end |
9282.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].text |
是不是可以把社工排除在全國軍公教 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].start |
9282.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].end |
9284.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].text |
員工待遇之急的要點之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].start |
9284.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].end |
9286.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].text |
或者用特別法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].start |
9286.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].end |
9288.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].text |
可以讓社工的薪資待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].start |
9288.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].end |
9290.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].text |
可以讓縣市首長他們自己去調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].start |
9290.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].end |
9292.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].text |
這個可能就要再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].start |
9292.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].end |
9294.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].text |
跟人種這邊來做一些溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].start |
9294.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].end |
9296.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].text |
所以我希望部長針對這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].start |
9296.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].end |
9298.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].text |
可以幫我們研議一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].start |
9298.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].end |
9300.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].text |
不然這個社工缺人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].start |
9300.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].end |
9302.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].text |
已經是很長時間的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].start |
9302.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].end |
9304.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].text |
那衛福部居然這個規定卡著 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].start |
9304.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].end |
9307.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].text |
連縣市地方為了想要增加社工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].start |
9307.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].end |
9309.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].text |
因為我們衛福部法規的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].start |
9309.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].end |
9312.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].text |
讓他想要增加薪水增加人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].start |
9312.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].end |
9314.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].text |
都增加不進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].start |
9314.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].end |
9316.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].text |
所以我覺得針對我們軍公教 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].start |
9316.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].end |
9318.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].text |
員工待遇之急的要點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].start |
9318.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].end |
9320.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].text |
或者用特別法的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].start |
9320.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].end |
9322.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].text |
是不是可以提出一個研議的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].start |
9322.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].end |
9324.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].text |
一個月內可以給我們答覆嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].start |
9324.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].end |
9326.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].text |
跟委員說明這個大概兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].start |
9326.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].end |
9328.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].text |
一個是我們的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].start |
9328.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].end |
9330.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].text |
補助的那個要點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].start |
9330.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].end |
9332.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].text |
那麼這個薪資上怎麼來調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].start |
9332.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].end |
9334.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].text |
這個可能彈性比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].start |
9334.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].end |
9336.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].text |
但是對於具有公務人員身份者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].start |
9336.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].end |
9338.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].text |
因為這個有全國的一致性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].start |
9338.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].end |
9340.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].text |
這個我們必須還要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].start |
9340.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].end |
9343.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].text |
再跟行政院的總書這邊來商議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].start |
9343.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].end |
9345.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].text |
一個月內可以回覆我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].start |
9345.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].end |
9347.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].text |
這個檢討的方法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].start |
9347.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].end |
9349.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].text |
我們是不是給我們一點時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].start |
9349.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].end |
9351.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].text |
三個月內我們檢討出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].start |
9351.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].end |
9352.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].text |
三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].start |
9352.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].end |
9354.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].text |
因為這個還涉及到跨部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].start |
9354.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].end |
9356.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].text |
不是只有本部可以解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].start |
9356.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].end |
9358.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].text |
我們還要跟行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].start |
9358.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].end |
9360.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].text |
因為這個缺口真的很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].start |
9360.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].end |
9361.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].text |
而且很長時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].start |
9361.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].end |
9363.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].text |
部長說三個月內我們研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].start |
9363.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].end |
9364.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].text |
如何去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].start |
9364.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].end |
9366.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].text |
不然法規限制連縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].start |
9366.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].end |
9369.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].text |
我們把相關的這個規定都把它釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].start |
9369.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].end |
9370.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].text |
那需要去溝通了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].start |
9370.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].end |
9372.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].text |
對啊 縣市自己想要來解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].start |
9372.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].end |
9375.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].text |
還被中央的法規限制沒有辦法處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].start |
9375.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].end |
9377.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].text |
所以希望部長這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].start |
9377.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].end |
9379.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].text |
看怎麼研議把這個要點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].start |
9379.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].end |
9381.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].text |
還是是不是用特別法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].start |
9381.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].end |
9383.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].text |
來解決這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].start |
9383.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].end |
9385.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].text |
好 我們來研議看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].start |
9385.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].end |
9387.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].text |
那我這再迅速 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].start |
9387.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].end |
9389.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].text |
來請部長再幫忙一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].start |
9389.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].end |
9391.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].text |
因為這個我提了很多次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].start |
9391.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].end |
9393.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].text |
我們賴總統講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].start |
9393.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].end |
9396.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].text |
健康台灣因應人口老化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].start |
9396.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].end |
9398.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].text |
那部長本身也具備健保 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].start |
9398.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].end |
9401.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].text |
跟醫療的雙背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].start |
9401.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].end |
9403.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].text |
那我們一直提我們新屋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].start |
9403.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].end |
9404.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].text |
還有觀音沿海 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].start |
9404.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].end |
9407.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].text |
老年人口的比例很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].start |
9407.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].end |
9410.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].text |
部桃新屋分院一月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].start |
9410.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].end |
9414.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].text |
國發會早就建請行政院盡快核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].start |
9414.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].end |
9416.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].text |
可是部長一直說要幫忙推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].start |
9416.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].end |
9418.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].text |
可是到現在5月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].start |
9419.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].end |
9421.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].text |
也沒有任何動靜 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].start |
9422.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].end |
9425.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].text |
跟委員說明確實這個計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].start |
9425.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].end |
9427.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].text |
這個省了4次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].start |
9427.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].end |
9430.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].text |
那最後的這個最近的一次就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].start |
9430.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].end |
9433.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].text |
我們考量到整個防疫的需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].start |
9433.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].end |
9435.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].text |
當時候我們這個新屋分院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].start |
9435.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].end |
9438.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].text |
在COVID的時間也擔任了那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].start |
9438.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].end |
9439.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].text |
專責病房的收治 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].start |
9439.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].end |
9442.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].text |
所以這一次我們再做最後的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].start |
9442.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].end |
9444.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].text |
把他的防疫任務又加進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].start |
9444.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].end |
9446.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].text |
那麼應該在這個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].start |
9446.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].end |
9448.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].text |
我們就會把修正後的計畫書 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].start |
9448.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].end |
9449.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].text |
再承報行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].start |
9449.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].end |
9450.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].text |
因為很快會有結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].start |
9450.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].end |
9453.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].text |
這個禮拜我們就會回覆到行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].start |
9453.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].end |
9455.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].text |
對啊因為這個我們在總資訊的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].start |
9455.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].end |
9456.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].text |
有提過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].start |
9456.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].end |
9458.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].text |
那院長也特別指示部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].start |
9458.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].end |
9461.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].text |
要針對我們沿海醫療量能的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].start |
9461.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].end |
9464.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].text |
醫療還有長照的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].start |
9464.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].end |
9466.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].text |
特別來做個總監頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].start |
9466.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].end |
9469.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].text |
那而且我們在2023年就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].start |
9469.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].end |
9470.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].text |
我們部桃新屋分院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].start |
9470.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].end |
9472.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].text |
他的量能都已經滿載 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].start |
9472.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].end |
9475.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].text |
那這問題已經非常非常迫切 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].start |
9475.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].end |
9476.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].text |
那據我了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].start |
9477.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].end |
9480.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].text |
醫院好像說一直要求他要自籌款 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].start |
9480.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].end |
9482.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].text |
他說這個自籌款真的沒辦法解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].start |
9482.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].end |
9485.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].text |
是不是這經費的問題部長真的幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].start |
9485.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].end |
9486.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].text |
一直要求他自籌款 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].start |
9486.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].end |
9488.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].text |
他根本都沒辦法處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].start |
9488.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].end |
9491.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].text |
對新屋分院因為他自營的能力比較低 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].start |
9491.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].end |
9494.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].text |
所以我們會去爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].start |
9494.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].end |
9497.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].text |
那麼希望能夠有比較高的比例的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].start |
9497.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].end |
9500.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].text |
這個用公建計畫來補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].start |
9500.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].end |
9502.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].text |
讓我們的負擔可以減輕 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].start |
9502.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].end |
9505.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].text |
所以拜託部長幫我們跟行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].start |
9505.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].end |
9507.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].text |
爭取一下我們部桃這個所需的經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].start |
9507.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].end |
9509.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].text |
陳志中政委也很幫忙這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].start |
9509.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].end |
9510.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].text |
對這個多幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].start |
9510.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].end |
9512.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].text |
是不是我們在上半年度有機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].start |
9512.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].end |
9515.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].text |
儘速來通過讓行政院核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].start |
9515.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].end |
9520.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].text |
好我們在禮拜六會再把這個計畫書再送回行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].start |
9520.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].end |
9523.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].text |
我們希望看看能不能在下個月就來核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].start |
9523.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].end |
9525.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].text |
因為這個擴建案從2018年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].start |
9525.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].end |
9528.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].text |
我們蔡總統就已經一直進行到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].start |
9528.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].end |
9532.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].text |
你看拖了六七年七八年到現在都還沒有核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].start |
9532.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].end |
9533.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].text |
好好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].start |
9533.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].end |
9534.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].text |
好部長拜託 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].start |
9534.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].end |
9536.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].text |
最後一步我們來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].start |
9536.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].end |
9539.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].text |
對這個為我們沿海醫療量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].start |
9539.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].end |
9541.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].text |
為我們民眾來請面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].start |
9541.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].end |
9542.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].start |
9542.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].end |
9544.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].text |
委員補充我們這個公建計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].start |
9544.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].end |
9546.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].text |
當然我們現在就是請徵 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].start |
9546.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].end |
9547.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].text |
會增加那個額度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].start |
9547.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].end |
9550.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].text |
目前行政院是願意把我們額度增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].start |
9550.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].end |
9551.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].text |
所以請為我們來請面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].start |
9551.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].end |
9552.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].text |
對一定要解決啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].start |
9552.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].end |
9554.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].text |
他說這個自首款叫他處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].start |
9554.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].end |
9555.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].text |
他真的沒辦法處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].start |
9555.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].end |
9558.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].text |
那一直卡在那邊根本沒辦法解決嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].start |
9558.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].end |
9561.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].text |
他現在22億的這個建制的經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].start |
9561.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].end |
9564.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].text |
那我們現在是要申請50%是由公建 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].start |
9564.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].end |
9567.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].text |
那11億會由行政院這邊的公建計畫來支援 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].start |
9567.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].end |
9569.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].text |
好那我說他的問題已經出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].start |
9569.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].end |
9571.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].text |
如果一直要他自首款 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].start |
9571.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].end |
9572.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].text |
他真的沒辦法解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].start |
9572.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].end |
9574.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].text |
所以部長跟行政院長多幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].start |
9576.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].end |
9578.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].text |
好謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].start |
9578.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].end |
9579.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].start |
9579.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].end |
9580.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].text |
謝謝投票區委員來諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].start |
9581.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].end |
9583.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].text |
接下來請臨時分委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].start |
9595.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].end |
9596.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].text |
好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].start |
9596.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].end |
9598.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].text |
是不是繼續請我們時部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].start |
9598.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].end |
9599.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].text |
繼續時長臨時部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].start |
9602.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].end |
9603.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].text |
立委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].start |
9603.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].end |
9604.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].start |
9604.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].end |
9606.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].text |
這個上個禮拜五 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].start |
9606.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].end |
9609.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].text |
對於艾爾利醫美診所爆發的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].start |
9609.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].end |
9611.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].text |
真孔偷拍案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].start |
9611.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].end |
9613.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].text |
經營者 廠商等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].start |
9613.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].end |
9615.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].text |
大概都被收押禁見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].start |
9616.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].end |
9618.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].text |
結果這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].start |
9618.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].end |
9620.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].text |
結果不是只有單一事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].start |
9620.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].end |
9622.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].text |
結果上個禮拜五 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].start |
9622.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].end |
9624.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].text |
同時光澤診所 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].start |
9624.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].end |
9628.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].text |
全台北有14家連鎖店的醫美診所 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].start |
9628.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].end |
9630.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].text |
光澤診所 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].start |
9630.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].end |
9634.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].text |
也招人檢舉採用同樣的手法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].start |
9634.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].end |
9636.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].text |
在診間安裝了真孔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].start |
9636.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].end |
9641.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].text |
偽裝成這個消防器材的真孔錄影設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].start |
9641.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].end |
9645.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].text |
然後在艾爾利這個被檢警偵辦以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].start |
9645.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].end |
9648.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].text |
他們疑似為了規避刑責 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].start |
9648.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].end |
9652.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].text |
毀滅證物動員員工拆除店內所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].start |
9652.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].end |
9655.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].text |
偽裝真煙型的攝影機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].start |
9655.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].end |
9657.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].text |
所以除此之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].start |
9657.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].end |
9661.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].text |
在這個週末竟然還有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].start |
9661.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].end |
9665.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].text |
聖怡診所北中有7家連鎖店 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].start |
9665.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].end |
9669.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].text |
台南的閻一鳴診所安裝真孔設備的新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].start |
9670.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].end |
9673.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].text |
然後這幾家連鎖大型醫美診所外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].start |
9673.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].end |
9675.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].text |
這個醫美診所啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].start |
9675.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].end |
9677.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].text |
這個多如牛毛啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].start |
9677.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].end |
9680.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].text |
你們衛福部到底有沒有同步清查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].start |
9680.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].end |
9682.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].text |
到底有多少的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].start |
9682.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].end |
9685.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].text |
醫美診所涉及的類似偷拍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].start |
9685.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].end |
9687.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].text |
或違法錄影的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].start |
9687.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].end |
9689.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].text |
你們這樣的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].start |
9689.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].end |
9692.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].text |
只存在醫美診所嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].start |
9692.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].end |
9694.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].text |
那你們到底宣稱說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].start |
9694.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].end |
9696.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].text |
你們要去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].start |
9696.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].end |
9700.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].text |
你們新聞要求全台的艾爾利分店 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].start |
9700.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].end |
9704.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].text |
要求這個地方衛生局要去處理以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].start |
9704.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].end |
9706.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].text |
你們到底還做了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].start |
9706.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].end |
9708.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].start |
9708.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].end |
9712.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].text |
大概目前盤查的大概有4個集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].start |
9712.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].end |
9716.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].text |
這個是北中南4個集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].start |
9716.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].end |
9718.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].text |
包含除了艾爾利之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].start |
9718.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].end |
9722.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].text |
光澤之外還有聖怡跟另外有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].start |
9722.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].end |
9724.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].text |
這個叫做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].start |
9724.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].end |
9726.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].text |
這個不就是我們剛剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].start |
9726.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].end |
9728.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].text |
新聞露出的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].start |
9728.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].end |
9730.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].text |
言一民 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].start |
9730.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].end |
9732.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].text |
對 言一民 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].start |
9732.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].end |
9735.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].text |
這個都已經新聞露出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].start |
9735.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].end |
9737.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].text |
那這個真的是目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].start |
9737.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].end |
9739.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].text |
各縣市衛生局呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].start |
9739.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].end |
9742.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].text |
也會優先針對醫美考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].start |
9742.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].end |
9746.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].text |
也是因為比較會有這個隱私的暴露 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].start |
9746.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].end |
9748.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].text |
所以從這個醫美這邊看先去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].start |
9748.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].end |
9750.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].text |
這個就醫美界 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].start |
9750.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].end |
9752.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].text |
這是個案還是通案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].start |
9752.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].end |
9754.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].text |
都這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].start |
9754.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].end |
9756.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].text |
蛤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].start |
9756.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].end |
9758.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].text |
這個如果是通案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].start |
9758.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].end |
9760.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].text |
這個是很糟糕啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].start |
9760.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].end |
9762.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].text |
因為我們過去就一再的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].start |
9762.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].end |
9764.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].text |
你剛剛講這幾家加起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].start |
9764.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].end |
9766.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].text |
連鎖店加起來幾十家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].start |
9769.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].end |
9771.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].text |
這個會是個案而已嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].start |
9771.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].end |
9773.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].text |
這是不是業界普遍的現象 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].start |
9774.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].end |
9777.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].text |
你告訴我全台灣有幾家醫美診所 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].start |
9779.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].end |
9781.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].text |
如果我們在統計裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].start |
9781.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].end |
9783.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].text |
大概在八百家左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].start |
9783.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].end |
9785.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].text |
八百家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].start |
9785.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].end |
9787.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].text |
這裡加起來就占多少了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].start |
9787.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].end |
9789.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].text |
所以我要告訴你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].start |
9789.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].end |
9791.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].text |
這個你們到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].start |
9791.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].end |
9793.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].text |
到底是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].start |
9793.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].end |
9795.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].text |
同步清查以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].start |
9795.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].end |
9798.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].text |
這個風險真的只存在醫美診所嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].start |
9798.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].end |
9800.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].text |
其他科別有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].start |
9800.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].end |
9802.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].text |
皮膚科 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].start |
9802.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].end |
9803.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].text |
小兒科 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].start |
9803.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].end |
9805.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].text |
其他涉及身體檢查局不裸露 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].start |
9805.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].end |
9807.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].text |
要換衣服的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].start |
9807.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].end |
9809.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].text |
或者是侵入性處置的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].start |
9809.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].end |
9811.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].text |
醫療場所的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].start |
9811.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].end |
9813.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].text |
有涉及到病人裸露的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].start |
9813.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].end |
9815.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].text |
高隱私期待的這些情境 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].start |
9815.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].end |
9817.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].text |
你們有沒有討論過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].start |
9817.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].end |
9819.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].text |
有沒有清查過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].start |
9819.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].end |
9821.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].text |
你們這個法律上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].start |
9821.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].end |
9823.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].text |
法律上你先告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].start |
9823.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].end |
9825.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].text |
就法規上有什麼樣的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].start |
9825.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].end |
9827.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].text |
法律上我們法律的管制工具在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].start |
9829.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].end |
9831.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].text |
是不是管制工具出問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].start |
9831.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].end |
9833.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].text |
才會這麼嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].start |
9834.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].end |
9836.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].start |
9836.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].end |
9838.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].text |
跟委員說明這大概有兩個法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].start |
9838.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].end |
9840.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].text |
一個是在醫療法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].start |
9840.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].end |
9842.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].text |
72條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].start |
9842.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].end |
9844.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].text |
醫療法72條是講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].start |
9844.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].end |
9846.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].text |
72條是講外露外洩 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].start |
9846.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].end |
9848.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].text |
才有刑責 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].start |
9848.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].end |
9850.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].text |
外露和外洩才有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].start |
9850.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].end |
9852.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].text |
那第二個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].start |
9852.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].end |
9854.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].text |
在個資法第六條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].start |
9854.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].end |
9856.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].text |
個資法規範的是一般普通原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].start |
9856.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].end |
9858.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].start |
9858.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].end |
9860.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].text |
它不能夠這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].start |
9860.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].end |
9862.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].text |
這些都屬於特種個資不得收集處理利用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].start |
9862.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].end |
9864.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].text |
而個資法是一般普遍性的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].start |
9864.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].end |
9866.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].text |
請問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].start |
9866.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].end |
9868.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].text |
我們對醫療領域裡面的特別法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].start |
9868.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].end |
9870.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].text |
就是醫療法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].start |
9872.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].end |
9874.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].text |
只有洩漏才有刑責才有處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].start |
9876.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].end |
9878.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].text |
其他都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].start |
9878.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].end |
9880.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].text |
你不覺得法律管制工具有問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].start |
9880.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].end |
9882.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].text |
在個資法第六條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].start |
9882.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].end |
9884.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].text |
就是專門針對醫療特種 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].start |
9884.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].end |
9886.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].text |
它是普遍管理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].start |
9886.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].end |
9888.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].text |
個資法適用各個領域的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].start |
9888.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].end |
9890.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].text |
我在問你就我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].start |
9890.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].end |
9892.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].text |
衛福部主管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].start |
9892.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].end |
9894.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].text |
醫療法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].start |
9894.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].end |
9896.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].text |
除了七十二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].start |
9896.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].end |
9898.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].text |
洩漏以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].start |
9898.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].end |
9900.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].text |
是不是就沒了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].start |
9900.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].end |
9902.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].text |
嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].start |
9902.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].end |
9904.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].text |
這個跟我們說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].start |
9904.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].end |
9906.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].text |
這個個資法第六條就是指的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].start |
9906.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].end |
9908.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].text |
醫療特種個資 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].start |
9908.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].end |
9910.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].text |
它是一般的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].start |
9910.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].end |
9912.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].text |
那個是有特別的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].start |
9912.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].end |
9914.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].text |
它是講不得收集處理利用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].start |
9914.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].end |
9916.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].text |
它有對應的法則甚至涉及刑事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].start |
9916.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].end |
9918.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].text |
現在我們仰賴的是個資法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].start |
9918.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].end |
9920.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].text |
你給目的事業主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].start |
9920.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].end |
9922.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].text |
機關的法令都不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].start |
9922.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].end |
9924.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].text |
教你這樣說醫療法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].start |
9924.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].end |
9926.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].text |
七十二條也不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].start |
9926.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].end |
9928.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].text |
如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].start |
9928.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].end |
9930.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].text |
你這樣說全台灣所有法律都不用規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].start |
9930.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].end |
9932.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].text |
只要扣個資法就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].start |
9932.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].end |
9934.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].text |
就是說如果沒有特殊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].start |
9934.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].end |
9936.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].text |
個資法當然是普通法啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].start |
9936.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].end |
9938.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].text |
所以特別法如果沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].start |
9938.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].end |
9940.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].text |
特別排除的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].start |
9940.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].end |
9942.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].text |
普通法你剛剛講就 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].start |
9942.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].end |
9944.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].text |
有普通法一般規範就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].start |
9944.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].end |
9946.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].text |
我在講特別法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].start |
9946.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].end |
9948.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].text |
難道不用仔細規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].start |
9948.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].end |
9950.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].text |
我再講清楚一點喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].start |
9950.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].end |
9952.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].text |
這些醫療場域中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].start |
9952.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].end |
9954.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].text |
病人身體的影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].start |
9954.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].end |
9956.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].text |
診療的影像健康的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].start |
9956.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].end |
9958.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].text |
要如何被拍攝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].start |
9958.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].end |
9960.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].text |
如何保存如何調閱如何利用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].start |
9960.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].end |
9962.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].text |
和如何刪除 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].start |
9962.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].end |
9964.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].text |
這一些不用仔細規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].start |
9966.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].end |
9968.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].text |
這些你的醫療法你的所有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].start |
9968.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].end |
9970.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].text |
衛福部的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].start |
9970.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].end |
9972.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].text |
你做了哪些規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].start |
9972.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].end |
9974.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].text |
有什麼規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].start |
9974.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].end |
9976.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].text |
蛤 有什麼規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].start |
9978.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].end |
9980.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].text |
不要講外洩以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].start |
9980.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].end |
9982.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].text |
你就剛剛講的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].start |
9982.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].end |
9984.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].text |
拍攝保存調閱利用刪除 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].start |
9985.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].end |
9989.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].text |
合法的 當事人簽署同意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].start |
9989.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].end |
9991.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].text |
要怎麼規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].start |
9992.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].end |
9994.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].text |
你們的法規是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].start |
9994.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].end |
9996.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].text |
如果沒有特別規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].start |
9996.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].end |
9998.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].text |
當然是回到個資法的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].start |
9998.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].end |
10000.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].text |
沒有特別規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].start |
10000.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].end |
10002.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].text |
就是你們獨指啦 個資法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].start |
10002.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].end |
10004.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].text |
個資法裡面已經說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].start |
10004.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].end |
10006.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].text |
這個就不可以一定要有告知的同意才可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].start |
10006.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].end |
10008.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].text |
我現在就告訴你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].start |
10008.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].end |
10010.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].text |
難道他怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].start |
10010.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].end |
10012.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].text |
怎麼攝影怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].start |
10012.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].end |
10014.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].text |
怎麼儲存怎麼利用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].start |
10014.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].end |
10016.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].text |
難道不用更細節的規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].start |
10018.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].end |
10020.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].text |
這個跟個資法有什麼相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].start |
10020.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].end |
10022.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].text |
你目的事業儲存機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].start |
10022.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].end |
10024.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].text |
獨指就是在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].start |
10024.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].end |
10026.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].text |
我現在要告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].start |
10025.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].end |
10027.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].text |
我們不要把這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].start |
10027.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].end |
10029.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].text |
認為只是醫美界的個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].start |
10029.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].end |
10033.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].text |
而忽略了整個醫療場所 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].start |
10033.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].end |
10037.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].text |
可能存在的隱私和影像管理的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].start |
10039.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].end |
10041.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].text |
這個不是個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].start |
10041.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].end |
10043.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].text |
而是法治面處理了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].start |
10043.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].end |
10045.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].text |
也出問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].start |
10045.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].end |
10049.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].text |
而執行面更沒有法治面支撐 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].start |
10049.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].end |
10051.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].text |
所以根本沒有人在管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].start |
10053.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].end |
10055.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].text |
好 剛才我就講醫美 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].start |
10055.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].end |
10057.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].text |
要講醫美我就先講醫美好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].start |
10057.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].end |
10059.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].text |
你知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].start |
10059.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].end |
10061.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].text |
你們唯一的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].start |
10061.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].end |
10063.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].text |
除了醫療法72條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].start |
10063.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].end |
10065.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].text |
還有哪裡有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].start |
10065.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].end |
10067.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].text |
影像處理上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].start |
10067.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].end |
10069.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].text |
醫療機構隱私的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].start |
10070.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].end |
10072.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].text |
蛤 還有什麼規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].start |
10072.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].end |
10074.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].text |
你都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].start |
10074.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].end |
10076.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].text |
這件事這麼嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].start |
10076.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].end |
10078.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].text |
你也不知道有什麼規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].start |
10078.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].end |
10080.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].text |
在這裡我都很不想跟你做嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].start |
10081.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].end |
10085.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].text |
隱私的規範當然我們過去有一個指引在啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].start |
10085.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].end |
10087.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].text |
那個指引有什麼強制性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].start |
10087.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].end |
10089.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].text |
有什麼強度可以管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].start |
10089.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].end |
10091.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].text |
違反指引會怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].start |
10091.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].end |
10093.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].text |
那就會回到個資法去處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].start |
10093.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].end |
10095.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].start |
10095.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].end |
10097.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].text |
你們的指引就醫療機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].start |
10097.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].end |
10099.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].text |
醫療隱私維護規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].start |
10099.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].end |
10101.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].text |
然後第二點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].start |
10101.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].end |
10103.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].text |
第二項病人就診時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].start |
10103.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].end |
10105.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].text |
應確實隔離其他不相關人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].start |
10105.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].end |
10107.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].text |
在診療過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].start |
10107.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].end |
10109.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].text |
醫病雙方如需錄音錄影 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].start |
10109.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].end |
10111.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].text |
應先徵得對方同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].start |
10110.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].end |
10112.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].text |
就是這樣子而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].start |
10112.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].end |
10114.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].text |
這麼粗糙這麼簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].start |
10114.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].end |
10116.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].text |
你不覺得這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].start |
10116.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].end |
10118.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].text |
這樣子叫做有規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].start |
10118.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].end |
10120.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].text |
違反這個會怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].start |
10121.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].end |
10123.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].text |
違反的程度樣態很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].start |
10123.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].end |
10125.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].text |
不是要說把他們各資法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].start |
10127.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].end |
10131.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].text |
各資法是普通法一般原則啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].start |
10132.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].end |
10134.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].text |
那我問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].start |
10134.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].end |
10136.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].text |
醫療的診間說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].start |
10136.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].end |
10138.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].text |
他貼了一個錄影中請微笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].start |
10138.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].end |
10140.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].text |
這樣等不等於同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].start |
10140.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].end |
10142.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].text |
等不等於告知了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].start |
10142.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].end |
10144.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].text |
等不等於同意知情了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].start |
10143.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].end |
10145.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].text |
蛤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].start |
10145.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].end |
10147.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].text |
等不等於 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].start |
10147.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].end |
10149.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].text |
還是要說明告知啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].start |
10149.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].end |
10151.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].text |
對不對 醫病關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].start |
10151.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].end |
10153.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].text |
然後大家都覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].start |
10153.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].end |
10155.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].text |
不對等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].start |
10155.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].end |
10157.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].text |
然後同意的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].start |
10157.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].end |
10159.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].text |
要怎麼樣行使 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].start |
10159.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].end |
10161.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].text |
你們有規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].start |
10161.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].end |
10163.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].text |
隱私同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].start |
10163.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].end |
10165.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].text |
錄影的同意過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].start |
10165.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].end |
10167.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].text |
要怎麼樣行使同意權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].start |
10167.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].end |
10169.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].text |
你們有規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].start |
10172.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].end |
10174.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].text |
所以醫療體制上長期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].start |
10174.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].end |
10176.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].text |
低度規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].start |
10176.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].end |
10178.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].text |
然後沒有任何規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].start |
10178.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].end |
10180.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].text |
還在這裡說仰賴各資法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].start |
10180.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].end |
10182.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].text |
這樣就是一種放任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].start |
10184.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].end |
10186.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].text |
所以在這裡說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].start |
10186.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].end |
10188.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].text |
呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].start |
10187.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].end |
10189.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].text |
你們這個條文有沒有過於簡略 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].start |
10189.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].end |
10191.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].text |
你的隱私維護規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].start |
10191.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].end |
10193.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].text |
母法從哪裡來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].start |
10193.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].end |
10195.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].text |
母法從哪裡來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].start |
10197.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].end |
10199.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].text |
你這一個規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].start |
10199.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].end |
10201.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].text |
這個指引的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].start |
10201.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].end |
10203.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].text |
母法從哪裡來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].start |
10203.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].end |
10205.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].text |
不知道 看不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].start |
10206.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].end |
10208.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].text |
更不要講有什麼強制性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].start |
10208.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].end |
10210.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].text |
更不要講有什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].start |
10210.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].end |
10212.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].text |
處分的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].start |
10212.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].end |
10214.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].text |
所以這個條文這麼簡略 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].start |
10214.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].end |
10216.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].text |
而且在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].start |
10216.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].end |
10218.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].text |
一開始就講診療過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].start |
10218.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].end |
10220.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].text |
診療過程包括哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].start |
10220.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].end |
10222.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].text |
包括什麼時候開始叫診療過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].start |
10222.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].end |
10224.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].text |
包括哪些空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].start |
10224.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].end |
10226.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].text |
就診間手術室治療室嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].start |
10227.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].end |
10229.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].text |
還是麻醉恢復室算不算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].start |
10229.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].end |
10231.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].text |
換藥室 諮詢室 檢查室 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].start |
10231.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].end |
10233.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].text |
醫美診所常見的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].start |
10233.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].end |
10235.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].text |
數前拍攝 數後照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].start |
10235.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].end |
10237.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].text |
恢復觀察區 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].start |
10237.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].end |
10239.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].text |
這算不算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].start |
10239.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].end |
10241.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].text |
你們有規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].start |
10241.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].end |
10243.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].start |
10243.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].end |
10245.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].text |
你們就是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].start |
10244.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].end |
10246.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].text |
而現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].start |
10246.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].end |
10248.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].text |
從醫美你回到一般的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].start |
10248.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].end |
10250.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].text |
醫界普遍的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].start |
10250.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].end |
10252.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].text |
醫界稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].start |
10252.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].end |
10254.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].text |
診所與工作區 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].start |
10254.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].end |
10256.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].text |
攝影監控設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].start |
10256.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].end |
10258.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].text |
是業界的常態 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].start |
10258.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].end |
10260.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].text |
聽好喔 不是醫美 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].start |
10260.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].end |
10262.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].text |
大家怕糾紛嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].start |
10262.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].end |
10264.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].text |
大家可以理解 大家怕糾紛嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].start |
10265.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].end |
10267.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].text |
這算是因為你們沒有任何的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].start |
10269.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].end |
10271.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].text |
所以到底是為了怕糾紛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].start |
10271.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].end |
10273.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].text |
採取錄影系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].start |
10273.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].end |
10275.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].text |
錄影之後怎麼管理保存 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].start |
10275.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].end |
10277.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].text |
怎麼連網 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].start |
10277.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].end |
10279.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].text |
都沒有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].start |
10280.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].end |
10282.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].text |
他的疏失責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].start |
10282.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].end |
10284.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].text |
怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].start |
10284.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].end |
10286.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].text |
所以這個上個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].start |
10287.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].end |
10289.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].text |
發生這個事情以後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].start |
10290.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].end |
10292.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].text |
醫界就有人出來講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].start |
10292.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].end |
10294.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].text |
裝設攝影監控設備是業界常態 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].start |
10295.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].end |
10297.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].text |
目的在於自保 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].start |
10297.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].end |
10299.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].text |
你自保 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].start |
10299.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].end |
10301.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].text |
那我們病人的隱私權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].start |
10301.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].end |
10303.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].text |
你沒有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].start |
10303.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].end |
10305.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].text |
然後這裡醫界說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].start |
10305.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].end |
10307.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].text |
過去從沒有任何指引告知 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].start |
10307.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].end |
10309.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].text |
該如何設置 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].start |
10311.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].end |
10313.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].text |
這才是真正的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].start |
10313.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].end |
10315.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].text |
所以你們醫師很輕鬆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].start |
10315.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].end |
10317.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].text |
什麼事情都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].start |
10317.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].end |
10319.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].text |
關於醫美醫師人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].start |
10319.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].end |
10321.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].text |
總共如何都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].start |
10321.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].end |
10323.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].text |
然後這種事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].start |
10323.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].end |
10325.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].text |
也沒有想辦法要規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].start |
10327.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].end |
10329.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].text |
其實這個個案你看一看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].start |
10329.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].end |
10331.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].text |
還有可能會連結到什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].start |
10332.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].end |
10334.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].text |
這個就是人家網路上講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].start |
10334.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].end |
10336.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].text |
他們經驗多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].start |
10336.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].end |
10338.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].text |
我覺得網路上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].start |
10338.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].end |
10340.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].text |
真的是很多消民很厲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].start |
10340.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].end |
10342.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].text |
他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].start |
10343.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].end |
10345.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].text |
你看這個常如山這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].start |
10345.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].end |
10347.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].text |
艾爾利集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].start |
10347.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].end |
10349.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].text |
艾爾利診所 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].start |
10349.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].end |
10351.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].text |
目前在尋找形象好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].start |
10351.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].end |
10353.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].text |
網紅部落客來店裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].start |
10353.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].end |
10355.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].text |
體驗免費體驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].start |
10355.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].end |
10357.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].text |
互惠的課程包括這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].start |
10358.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].end |
10360.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].text |
這一些哪一些是要脫衣服的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].start |
10360.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].end |
10362.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].text |
你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].start |
10362.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].end |
10364.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].text |
來 師長 博定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].start |
10364.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].end |
10366.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].text |
這一些他免費體驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].start |
10366.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].end |
10368.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].text |
哪些要脫衣服 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].start |
10367.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].end |
10369.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].text |
蛤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].start |
10369.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].end |
10371.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].text |
這個我都沒有做過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].start |
10371.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].end |
10373.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].text |
對阿 我們都看不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].start |
10373.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].end |
10375.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].text |
人家網路有什麼都看不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].start |
10375.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].end |
10377.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].text |
師長哪幾種要脫衣服 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].start |
10377.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].end |
10379.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].text |
要更衣才能進去診療 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].start |
10379.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].end |
10381.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].text |
診療是有穿衣服 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].start |
10381.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].end |
10383.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].text |
但更衣是沒有脫衣服 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].start |
10383.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].end |
10385.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].text |
沒有穿衣服 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].start |
10385.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].end |
10387.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].text |
然後針孔在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].start |
10389.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].end |
10391.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].text |
很多啦 雷射體雕 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].start |
10391.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].end |
10393.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].text |
立美激素太能潑 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].start |
10393.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].end |
10395.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].text |
橘皮槍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].start |
10397 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].end |
10399 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].text |
委員會要講的是我們醫療用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].start |
10399 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].end |
10401 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].text |
不會用針孔攝影機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].start |
10401 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].end |
10403 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].text |
所以一旦用針孔攝影機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].start |
10403 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].end |
10405 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].text |
本來就是違法目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].start |
10405 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].end |
10407 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].text |
你夠不夠差 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].start |
10407 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].end |
10409 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].text |
你敢不夠差 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].start |
10409 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].end |
10411 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].text |
你敢不夠差 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].start |
10411 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].end |
10413 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].text |
這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].start |
10413 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].end |
10415 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].text |
劉師長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].start |
10415 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].end |
10417 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].text |
今天幾個十斤受害人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].start |
10417 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].end |
10419 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].text |
來 受害人會跑到哪裡去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].start |
10419 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].end |
10421 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].text |
他的影像會跑去哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].start |
10421 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].end |
10423 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].text |
看右邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].start |
10421.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].end |
10423.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].text |
他們找一網紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].start |
10423.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].end |
10425.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].text |
以為是流量 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].start |
10425.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].end |
10427.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].text |
網紅以為自己是流量 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].start |
10427.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].end |
10429.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].text |
接到一枚的業配 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].start |
10429.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].end |
10431.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].text |
要請他們去體驗幫他們宣傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].start |
10431.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].end |
10433.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].text |
有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].start |
10433.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].end |
10435.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].text |
按網根創意私房 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].start |
10435.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].end |
10437.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].text |
下了訂單 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].start |
10437.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].end |
10439.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].text |
想要看網紅的裸體裸屁股 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].start |
10440.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].end |
10442.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].text |
有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].start |
10442.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].end |
10444.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].text |
不可能喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].start |
10444.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].end |
10446.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].text |
我等一下講韓國的例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].start |
10446.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].end |
10448.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].text |
這些影像有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].start |
10448.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].end |
10450.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].text |
流到創意私房 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].start |
10450.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].end |
10452.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].text |
按網裡面去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].start |
10452.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].end |
10454.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].text |
你可以保證沒有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].start |
10454.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].end |
10456.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].text |
你說違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].start |
10456.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].end |
10458.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].text |
你敢不敢抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].start |
10458.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].end |
10460.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].text |
你敢不敢抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].start |
10460.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].end |
10462.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].text |
你抓一般規範就沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].start |
10462.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].end |
10464.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].text |
不要說抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].start |
10465.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].end |
10467.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].text |
好 我今天不是要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].start |
10467.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].end |
10469.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].text |
這個可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].start |
10469.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].end |
10471.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].text |
真的非常可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].start |
10471.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].end |
10473.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].text |
那我今天要講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].start |
10473.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].end |
10475.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].text |
這個全聯會 醫師全聯會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].start |
10475.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].end |
10477.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].text |
陳向國理事長表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].start |
10477.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].end |
10479.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].text |
部分診所會在工作區域設置 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].start |
10479.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].end |
10481.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].text |
攝影設備是基於醫療糾紛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].start |
10481.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].end |
10483.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].text |
矩陣和自我保護的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].start |
10483.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].end |
10485.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].text |
但過去醫界對相關法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].start |
10485.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].end |
10487.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].text |
和界限的認知並不一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].start |
10487.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].end |
10489.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].text |
因為沒有法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].start |
10489.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].end |
10491.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].text |
任何規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].start |
10491.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].end |
10493.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].text |
合法的也沒有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].start |
10493.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].end |
10495.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].text |
界限也不知道啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].start |
10495.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].end |
10497.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].text |
所以他們全聯會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].start |
10497.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].end |
10499.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].text |
自己要找法務案專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].start |
10499.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].end |
10501.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].text |
研擬一個規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].start |
10501.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].end |
10503.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].text |
一個月內他們要自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].start |
10503.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].end |
10505.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].text |
訂出指引給他們全聯會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].start |
10505.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].end |
10507.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].text |
工會的人去遵循 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].start |
10507.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].end |
10509.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].text |
曾幾何時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].start |
10509.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].end |
10511.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].text |
政府部門沒有法律規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].start |
10511.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].end |
10513.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].text |
還要靠全聯會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].start |
10513.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].end |
10515.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].text |
自己去訂指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].start |
10515.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].end |
10517.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].text |
整個國家都沒有政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].start |
10517.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].end |
10519.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].text |
要靠醫師全聯會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].start |
10519.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].end |
10521.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].text |
自己訂指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].start |
10521.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].end |
10523.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].text |
好 中華民國美容醫學會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].start |
10523.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].end |
10525.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].text |
副秘書長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].start |
10525.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].end |
10527.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].text |
診所攝影機設在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].start |
10527.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].end |
10529.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].text |
櫃台 候診區等公共空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].start |
10529.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].end |
10531.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].text |
是為了防範財務疑失 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].start |
10531.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].end |
10533.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].text |
金錢糾紛或暴力事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].start |
10533.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].end |
10535.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].text |
但涉及隱私的診療 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].start |
10535.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].end |
10537.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].text |
和處置空間原則上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].start |
10537.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].end |
10539.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].text |
不應該設置攝影設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].start |
10539.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].end |
10541.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].text |
也不能拍攝患者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].start |
10541.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].end |
10543.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].text |
如果有錄影的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].start |
10543.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].end |
10545.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].text |
應事先明確告知並取得同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].start |
10545.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].end |
10547.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].text |
對呀 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].start |
10547.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].end |
10549.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].text |
都說的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].start |
10549.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].end |
10551.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].text |
沒有更詳細的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].start |
10551.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].end |
10553.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].text |
所以目前各醫療機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].start |
10553.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].end |
10555.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].text |
對於攝影的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].start |
10555.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].end |
10557.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].text |
使用的情境 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].start |
10557.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].end |
10559.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].text |
可以錄影的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].start |
10559.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].end |
10561.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].text |
都沒有明確的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].start |
10561.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].end |
10563.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].text |
不要說醫美 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].start |
10563.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].end |
10565.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].text |
我剛剛講的皮膚科 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].start |
10565.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].end |
10567.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].text |
小兒科 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].start |
10564.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].end |
10566.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].text |
骨科 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].start |
10566.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].end |
10568.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].text |
或是外科 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].start |
10568.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].end |
10570.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].text |
病患要裸露 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].start |
10569.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].end |
10571.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].text |
醫療機構若要告知病患正在攝影 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].start |
10571.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].end |
10573.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].text |
以及影像的用處 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].start |
10573.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].end |
10575.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].text |
萬保存期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].start |
10576.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].end |
10578.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].text |
請問一下你們有自治的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].start |
10578.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].end |
10580.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].text |
自治的規範讓人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].start |
10580.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].end |
10582.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].text |
去遵循嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].start |
10582.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].end |
10584.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].text |
啊 感恩 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].start |
10584.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].end |
10586.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].text |
感恩 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].start |
10588.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].end |
10590.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].start |
10590.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].end |
10592.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].text |
我們從兩個地方先開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].start |
10592.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].end |
10594.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].text |
做檢討改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].start |
10594.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].end |
10596.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].text |
第一個呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].start |
10596.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].end |
10598.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].text |
你都很聰明啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].start |
10598.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].end |
10600.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].text |
你就不直接回答說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].start |
10600.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].end |
10602.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].text |
其實沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].start |
10602.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].end |
10604.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].text |
你直接說未來會改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].start |
10604.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].end |
10606.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].text |
那我們也很樂意啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].start |
10606.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].end |
10608.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].text |
但你真的搞清楚了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].start |
10608.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].end |
10610.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].text |
好 你說哪兩個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].start |
10610.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].end |
10612.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].text |
第一個因為每年的地方衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].start |
10612.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].end |
10614.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].text |
都會有督導考核 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].start |
10614.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].end |
10616.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].text |
所以整個都要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].start |
10616.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].end |
10618.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].text |
在這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].start |
10618.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].end |
10620.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].text |
對於這種非法裝設 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].start |
10620.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].end |
10622.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].text |
這個就要把它抓出來啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].start |
10622.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].end |
10624.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].text |
所以第一個呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].start |
10624.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].end |
10626.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].text |
5月13號就 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].start |
10626.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].end |
10628.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].text |
醫事會去邀請召集這些衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].start |
10628.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].end |
10630.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].text |
督導考核的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].start |
10630.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].end |
10632.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].text |
他還會裝給你看喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].start |
10632.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].end |
10634.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].text |
督導考核的時候就會列入 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].start |
10634.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].end |
10636.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].text |
這個重要的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].start |
10636.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].end |
10638.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].text |
項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].start |
10638.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].end |
10640.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].text |
那怎麼做查法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].start |
10640.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].end |
10642.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].text |
督導考核都有安排日期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].start |
10642.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].end |
10644.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].text |
對方都知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].start |
10644.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].end |
10646.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].text |
那就是說督導考核的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].start |
10646.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].end |
10648.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].text |
他會還裝在那裡讓你查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].start |
10648.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].end |
10650.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].text |
那也有這個醫療法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].start |
10650.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].end |
10652.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].text |
也有授權這個不預警的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].start |
10652.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].end |
10654.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].text |
查核也是有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].start |
10654.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].end |
10656.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].text |
對嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].start |
10656.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].end |
10658.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].text |
你說這樣才剛好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].start |
10658.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].end |
10660.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].text |
那第二個機制是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].start |
10660.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].end |
10662.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].text |
那第二個呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].start |
10662.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].end |
10664.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].text |
那因為有這些第一個先去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].start |
10664.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].end |
10666.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].text |
你要講是違法的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].start |
10666.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].end |
10668.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].text |
違法的材量基準在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].start |
10668.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].end |
10670.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].text |
什麼地方可以裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].start |
10670.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].end |
10672.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].text |
哪個地方是不應該裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].start |
10672.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].end |
10674.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].text |
這個一律就是違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].start |
10674.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].end |
10676.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].text |
這個是材量基準上先去討論出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].start |
10676.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].end |
10678.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].text |
那第二個才是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].start |
10678.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].end |
10680.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].text |
那更正面的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].start |
10680.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].end |
10682.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].text |
指引是什麼就是有必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].start |
10682.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].end |
10684.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].text |
要裝設的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].start |
10684.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].end |
10686.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].text |
我告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].start |
10686.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].end |
10688.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].text |
英國的General Medical Council |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].start |
10688.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].end |
10690.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].text |
就是GMC |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].start |
10690.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].end |
10692.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].text |
他們的製作和使用病人視覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].start |
10692.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].end |
10694.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].text |
及聲音錄製資料指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].start |
10694.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].end |
10696.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].text |
這個指引不是指問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].start |
10696.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].end |
10698.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].text |
有沒有同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].start |
10698.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].end |
10700.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].text |
而是先區分錄製的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].start |
10700.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].end |
10702.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].text |
跟使用的情境 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].start |
10702.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].end |
10704.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].text |
他們的明確指出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].start |
10704.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].end |
10706.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].text |
錄音照片影像等記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].start |
10706.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].end |
10708.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].text |
可能是為了病人照護 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].start |
10708.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].end |
10710.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].text |
檢查或治療 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].start |
10710.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].end |
10712.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].text |
也可能是為了教學訓練評估醫療人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].start |
10712.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].end |
10714.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].text |
研究或其他醫療相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].start |
10714.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].end |
10716.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].text |
但不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].start |
10716.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].end |
10718.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].text |
直接為了該病人利益的次要目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].start |
10718.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].end |
10720.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].text |
這個是主要目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].start |
10720.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].end |
10722.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].text |
但不同的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].start |
10722.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].end |
10724.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].text |
次要目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].start |
10724.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].end |
10726.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].text |
也可能會可以允許 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].start |
10726.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].end |
10728.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].text |
但主要跟次要不同的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].start |
10728.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].end |
10730.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].text |
要不同的要求跟管理義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].start |
10730.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].end |
10732.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].text |
這個就是台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].start |
10732.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].end |
10734.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].text |
你完全長期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].start |
10734.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].end |
10736.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].text |
獨指沒有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].start |
10736.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].end |
10738.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].text |
然後通通就一句話蓋括 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].start |
10738.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].end |
10740.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].text |
這個是不行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].start |
10740.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].end |
10742.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].text |
萬福不宣的規範就是把 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].start |
10742.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].end |
10744.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].text |
所有的錄音錄影都放在同一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].start |
10744.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].end |
10746.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].text |
好像中等同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].start |
10746.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].end |
10748.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].text |
就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].start |
10748.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].end |
10750.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].text |
事實上整間來一句錄影中請微笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].start |
10750.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].end |
10752.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].text |
不管你患者有沒有注意到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].start |
10752.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].end |
10754.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].text |
等同患者已經同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].start |
10754.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].end |
10756.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].start |
10756.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].end |
10758.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].text |
GMC的基本原則揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].start |
10758.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].end |
10760.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].text |
第一個醫療人員在製作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].start |
10760.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].end |
10762.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].text |
或使用病人影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].start |
10762.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].end |
10764.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].text |
聲音記錄時要尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].start |
10764.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].end |
10766.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].text |
病人的隱私和尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].start |
10766.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].end |
10768.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].text |
再來病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].start |
10768.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].end |
10770.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].text |
要參與決定的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].start |
10770.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].end |
10772.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].text |
必須告知病人錄製的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].start |
10772.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].end |
10774.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].text |
而且確保病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].start |
10774.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].end |
10776.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].text |
沒有受到壓力才可以同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].start |
10776.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].end |
10778.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].text |
才同意的狀況才可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].start |
10778.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].end |
10780.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].text |
再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].start |
10781.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].end |
10783.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].text |
在可行時病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].start |
10783.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].end |
10785.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].text |
要求停止錄製 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].start |
10785.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].end |
10787.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].text |
醫療人員就該停止 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].start |
10787.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].end |
10789.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].text |
那如果錄製的資料用在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].start |
10789.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].end |
10791.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].text |
原本同意範圍以外的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].start |
10791.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].end |
10793.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].text |
原則上還必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].start |
10793.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].end |
10795.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].text |
重新取得同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].start |
10795.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].end |
10797.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].text |
好這個都是合法的允許的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].start |
10797.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].end |
10799.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].text |
但台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].start |
10799.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].end |
10801.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].text |
對合法的允許的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].start |
10801.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].end |
10803.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].text |
規範就已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].start |
10803.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].end |
10805.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].text |
模糊不清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].start |
10805.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].end |
10807.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].text |
而現在新聞爆發的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].start |
10807.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].end |
10809.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].text |
不合法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].start |
10809.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].end |
10811.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].text |
我們剛剛講你就唯一一個指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].start |
10811.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].end |
10813.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].text |
那個指引不知道母法從哪裡來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].start |
10813.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].end |
10815.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].text |
那個指引沒有強制性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].start |
10815.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].end |
10817.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].text |
那個指引沒有罰則 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].start |
10817.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].end |
10819.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].text |
完全都不可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].start |
10819.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].end |
10821.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].text |
做到人家GMC講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].start |
10821.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].end |
10823.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].text |
病人有沒有被明確告知 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].start |
10823.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].end |
10825.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].text |
影像是為了醫療記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].start |
10825.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].end |
10827.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].text |
安全監視教學研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].start |
10827.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].end |
10829.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].text |
內部訓練還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].start |
10829.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].end |
10831.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].text |
行銷宣傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].start |
10831.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].end |
10833.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].text |
病人可不可以拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].start |
10833.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].end |
10835.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].text |
拒絕後會不會影響就醫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].start |
10835.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].end |
10837.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].text |
病人在療程當中要求停止 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].start |
10837.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].end |
10839.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].text |
停止拍攝醫療機構是否會必須停止 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].start |
10839.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].end |
10841.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].text |
這些沒有清楚規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].start |
10841.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].end |
10843.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].text |
有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].start |
10843.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].end |
10845.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].text |
有一些手術前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].start |
10845.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].end |
10847.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].text |
before after |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].start |
10847.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].end |
10849.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].text |
before after |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].start |
10849.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].end |
10851.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].text |
那這種影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].start |
10850.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].end |
10852.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].text |
然後人家告訴你看這是我的時機 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].start |
10852.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].end |
10854.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].text |
before after |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].start |
10854.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].end |
10856.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].text |
這種有規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].start |
10856.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].end |
10858.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].text |
沒有台灣完全沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].start |
10858.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].end |
10860.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].text |
更重要人家醫國是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].start |
10860.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].end |
10862.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].text |
對病人照護而錄製 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].start |
10862.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].end |
10864.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].text |
和為教學研究訓練等 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].start |
10864.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].end |
10866.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].text |
次要目的而錄製 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].start |
10866.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].end |
10868.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].text |
規範不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].start |
10868.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].end |
10870.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].text |
如果錄製或治療 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].start |
10870.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].end |
10872.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].text |
是治療或檢查的一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].start |
10872.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].end |
10874.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].text |
像X光超音波內視鏡副鏡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].start |
10875.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].end |
10877.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].text |
Gem She認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].start |
10877.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].end |
10879.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].text |
病人對檢查或治療同意可以包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].start |
10879.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].end |
10881.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].text |
這類記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].start |
10881.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].end |
10883.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].text |
但是如果變成其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].start |
10883.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].end |
10885.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].text |
會成為病人醫療照護資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].start |
10885.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].end |
10887.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].text |
一部分的錄製 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].start |
10887.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].end |
10889.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].text |
如果你變成這樣的話要向病人說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].start |
10889.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].end |
10891.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].text |
為什麼你有助於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].start |
10891.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].end |
10893.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].text |
照護會用什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].start |
10893.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].end |
10895.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].text |
形式錄製 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].start |
10895.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].end |
10897.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].text |
而且安全保存 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].start |
10897.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].end |
10899.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].text |
而且這一些記錄要被 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].start |
10899.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].end |
10901.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].text |
視為是病例的一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].start |
10901.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].end |
10903.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].text |
如果視為病例的一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].start |
10903.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].end |
10905.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].text |
那他就像醫療記錄一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].start |
10905.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].end |
10907.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].text |
嚴謹的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].start |
10907.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].end |
10909.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].text |
如果錄製 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].start |
10909.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].end |
10911.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].text |
不是這兩者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].start |
10911.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].end |
10913.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].text |
是為了教學訓練評估醫療人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].start |
10913.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].end |
10915.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].text |
研究或其他次要的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].start |
10915.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].end |
10917.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].text |
那就更需要取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].start |
10917.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].end |
10919.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].text |
事前的病人的書面同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].start |
10921.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].end |
10923.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].text |
而不得已如果你採取口頭同意的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].start |
10923.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].end |
10925.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].text |
也應該留下記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].start |
10925.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].end |
10927.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].text |
跟錄製資料一起保存 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].start |
10927.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].end |
10929.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].text |
重要的是在取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].start |
10929.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].end |
10931.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].text |
同意前必須向病人說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].start |
10931.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].end |
10933.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].text |
錄製的目的如何使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].start |
10933.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].end |
10935.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].text |
保存多久如何保存以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].start |
10935.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].end |
10937.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].text |
病人可以拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].start |
10937.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].end |
10939.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].text |
也該在錄製中或錄製後立即 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].start |
10939.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].end |
10941.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].text |
撤回同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].start |
10941.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].end |
10943.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].text |
而且不會影響其照護品質或醫病關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].start |
10944.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].end |
10946.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].text |
請不吝點贊訂閱轉發打賞支持明鏡與點點欄目 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].start |
10952.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].end |
10954.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].text |
沒有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].start |
10954.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].end |
10956.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].text |
不是這樣管理的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].start |
10956.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].end |
10958.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].text |
你們的意思是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].start |
10958.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].end |
10960.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].text |
這樣做就能交代 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].start |
10960.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].end |
10962.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].text |
這樣一整個的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].start |
10962.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].end |
10964.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].text |
各自法就能交代 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].start |
10964.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].end |
10966.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].text |
這樣教官都太好當 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].start |
10966.18 |
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10968.18 |
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教官員 |
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10969.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].end |
10971.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].text |
當官這麼容易嗎 |
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10972.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].end |
10974.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].text |
部長現在醫美診所 |
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10974.6 |
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10976.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].text |
教學醫院手術示範 |
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10976.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].end |
10978.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].text |
內部教育訓練病例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].start |
10978.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].end |
10980.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].text |
討論數前數後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].start |
10980.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].end |
10982.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].text |
照片甚至社群行銷素材 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].start |
10982.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].end |
10984.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].text |
都可能涉及到病人的 |
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10984.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].end |
10986.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].text |
身體影像還有聲音記錄 |
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10986.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].end |
10988.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].text |
如果沒有把醫療必要跟 |
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10988.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].end |
10990.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].text |
次要的目的分開 |
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10990.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].end |
10992.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].text |
病人很容易在不清楚用途之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].start |
10992.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].end |
10994.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].text |
被拍攝甚至影像 |
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10994.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].end |
10996.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].text |
被拿去做原本沒有 |
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10996.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].end |
10998.6 |
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同意的示範那個使用 |
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10999.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].end |
11001.23 |
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所以這個規範 |
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11001.23 |
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11003.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].text |
要不要訂保定要不要訂 |
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11003.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].end |
11005.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].text |
不要再跟我講說你要跟那兩點 |
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11005.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].end |
11007.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].text |
那兩點太粗糙了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].start |
11008.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].end |
11010.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].text |
這個不是這樣子做的 |
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11010.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].end |
11012.85 |
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要細緻要 |
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11012.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].end |
11014.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].text |
真的要認真去管理 |
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11015.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].end |
11017.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].text |
那你未來規範要怎麼去分情境 |
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11017.23 |
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11019.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].text |
你覺得呢 |
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11019.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].end |
11021.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].text |
你覺得呢 部長你講看看 |
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11021.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].end |
11023.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].text |
這樣還是這樣跟委員說明 |
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11023.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].end |
11025.23 |
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這個禮拜我們就會先開的 |
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11025.23 |
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11027.23 |
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就是對於這個 |
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11027.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].end |
11029.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].text |
裁罰基準上把它釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].start |
11029.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].end |
11031.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].text |
接下來就會對那個指引去修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].start |
11031.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].end |
11033.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].text |
什麼指引 |
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11033.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].end |
11035.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].text |
這個指引的母法依據從哪裡來 |
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11035.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].end |
11037.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].text |
什麼指引 |
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11037.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].end |
11039.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].text |
沒有母法哪來的授權 |
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11041.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].end |
11043.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].text |
所以才用指引 |
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11043.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].end |
11045.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].text |
你沒有母法哪來的授權 |
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11045.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].end |
11047.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].text |
你的指引沒有 |
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11047.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].end |
11049.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].text |
沒有母法授權的指引 |
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11049.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].end |
11051.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].text |
沒有辦法有罰則 |
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11051.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].end |
11053.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].text |
這個就是法律保留原則 |
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11053.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].end |
11055.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].text |
你不知道嗎 |
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11055.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].end |
11057.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].text |
你要處罰人家對人民的權利義務 |
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11057.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].end |
11059.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].text |
需以法律定之 |
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11059.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].end |
11061.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].text |
這個叫做法律的保留原則 |
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11061.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].end |
11063.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].text |
這個叫做法律的保留原則 |
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11063.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].end |
11065.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].text |
如果你的指引沒有來自於法律 |
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11065.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].end |
11067.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].text |
定出來的授權 |
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11067.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].end |
11069.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].text |
那你這個指引 |
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11069.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].end |
11071.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].text |
那你這個指引沒有辦法懲罰 |
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11071.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].end |
11073.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].text |
定這個指引就是一個母法的指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].start |
11078.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].end |
11080.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].text |
這個是我們用行政指導 |
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11080.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].end |
11082.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].text |
來作為未來在裁罰上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].start |
11082.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].end |
11084.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].text |
行政指導 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].start |
11084.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].end |
11086.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].text |
讓我們人民的隱私權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].start |
11086.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].end |
11088.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].text |
還要淪喪到什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].start |
11092.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].end |
11094.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].text |
這個也不是說 |
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11094.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].end |
11096.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].text |
現在依照你們的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].start |
11096.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].end |
11098.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].text |
得到取得同意 |
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11098.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].end |
11100.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].text |
我說違法的不是違法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].start |
11100.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].end |
11102.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].text |
你用一個有沒有同意就帶過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].start |
11102.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].end |
11104.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].text |
人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].start |
11104.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].end |
11106.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].text |
人家是講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].start |
11106.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].end |
11108.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].text |
你對主要目的跟次要目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].start |
11108.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].end |
11110.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].text |
你都要規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].start |
11110.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].end |
11112.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].text |
為了教學行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].start |
11112.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].end |
11114.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].text |
或者是你把它拿去當行銷 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].start |
11114.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].end |
11116.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].text |
Before After 訴前訴後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].start |
11116.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].end |
11118.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].text |
這個跟病人當下接受治療 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].start |
11118.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].end |
11120.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].text |
沒有直接相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].start |
11120.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].end |
11122.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].text |
而且可能使病人的身份被辨識 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].start |
11122.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].end |
11126.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].text |
造成日後難以控制的外流風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].start |
11126.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].end |
11130.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].text |
就應該有更高的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].start |
11130.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].end |
11132.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].text |
結果你還在指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].start |
11132.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].end |
11134.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].text |
他的流出到暗網裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].start |
11134.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].end |
11136.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].text |
到創意私房裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].start |
11136.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].end |
11138.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].text |
被看光光 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].start |
11138.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].end |
11140.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].text |
你定一個指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].start |
11140.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].end |
11142.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].text |
沒有任何懲罰的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].start |
11142.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].end |
11144.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].text |
這樣對嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].start |
11146.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].end |
11148.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].text |
為什麼事情很大條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].start |
11148.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].end |
11150.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].text |
你都覺得不重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].start |
11150.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].end |
11152.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].text |
不是只是醫美 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].start |
11152.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].end |
11154.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].text |
我想委員這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].start |
11154.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].end |
11156.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].text |
違反了我們這些規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].start |
11156.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].end |
11158.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].text |
就會回到各個現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].start |
11158.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].end |
11160.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].text |
目前相對的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].start |
11160.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].end |
11162.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].text |
現在沒有違反的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].start |
11162.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].end |
11164.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].text |
現在沒有違反的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].start |
11164.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].end |
11166.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].text |
你就廣義一句取得同意就帶過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].start |
11166.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].end |
11168.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].text |
可是我同意什麼 |
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11168.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].end |
11170.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].text |
我同意什麼 |
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11170.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].end |
11172.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].text |
是你醫療目的的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].start |
11172.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].end |
11174.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].text |
還是說次要目的的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].start |
11174.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].end |
11176.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].text |
你是為了治療我的病的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].start |
11176.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].end |
11178.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].text |
或者為了醫療機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].start |
11178.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].end |
11180.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].text |
管理設置的這個怕糾紛的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].start |
11180.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].end |
11182.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].text |
跟你教學研究用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].start |
11182.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].end |
11184.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].text |
還有輸錢輸肉被拿去使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].start |
11184.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].end |
11186.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].text |
當行銷用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].start |
11186.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].end |
11188.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].text |
這是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].start |
11188.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].end |
11190.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].text |
你怎麼會認為取得同意就可以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].start |
11194.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].end |
11196.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].text |
光是合法的這四種情境 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].start |
11198.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].end |
11200.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].text |
第一種情境 |
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11200.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].end |
11202.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].text |
診斷檢查治療 |
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11202.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].end |
11204.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].text |
第二種情境 |
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11204.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].end |
11206.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].text |
為了醫療安全或機構管理設置的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].start |
11206.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].end |
11208.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].text |
不要糾紛的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].start |
11208.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].end |
11210.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].text |
公共空間的 |
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11210.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].end |
11212.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].text |
第三種為了教學研究醫療人員訓練的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].start |
11212.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].end |
11214.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].text |
第四種 |
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11214.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].end |
11216.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].text |
為了行銷宣傳前後對照 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].start |
11217.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].end |
11219.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].text |
這一種的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].start |
11219.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].end |
11221.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].text |
你叫我一句我同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].start |
11222.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].end |
11224.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].text |
這樣就可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].start |
11224.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].end |
11226.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].text |
這樣叫合法了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].start |
11226.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].end |
11228.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].text |
一個我同意當然是不夠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].start |
11229.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].end |
11233.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].text |
台灣對醫療機構使用病人影像做廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].start |
11233.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].end |
11235.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].text |
按力的分享 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].start |
11235.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].end |
11237.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].text |
輸錢輸肉的對照 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].start |
11236.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].end |
11238.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].text |
有規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].start |
11239.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].end |
11241.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].text |
有規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].start |
11241.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].end |
11243.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].text |
這個廣告的部分我們有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].start |
11243.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].end |
11245.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].text |
我在問你輸錢輸肉當事人同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].start |
11245.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].end |
11247.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].text |
你們政府有規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].start |
11247.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].end |
11249.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].text |
怎麼同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].start |
11248.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].end |
11250.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].text |
它能暴露到哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].start |
11250.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].end |
11252.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].text |
有規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].start |
11252.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].end |
11254.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].text |
沒有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].start |
11254.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].end |
11256.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].text |
病人簽了一份療程同意書 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].start |
11256.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].end |
11258.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].text |
直接就把它解讀成是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].start |
11258.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].end |
11260.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].text |
同意影像日後備用於宣傳嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].start |
11260.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].end |
11262.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].text |
病人同意拍攝病歷照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].start |
11262.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].end |
11264.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].text |
就直接解讀成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].start |
11264.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].end |
11266.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].text |
同意診所拿去社群 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].start |
11266.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].end |
11268.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].text |
當社群媒體的素材嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].start |
11271.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].end |
11273.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].text |
你們都沒有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].start |
11273.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].end |
11275.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].text |
醫療照護的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].start |
11275.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].end |
11277.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].text |
教學研究的目的公開宣傳的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].start |
11277.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].end |
11279.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].text |
必須分別告知 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].start |
11279.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].end |
11281.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].text |
分別同意不得已 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].start |
11281.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].end |
11283.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].text |
蓋瓜同意書去混同處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].start |
11286.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].end |
11288.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].text |
我們現在左右在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].start |
11288.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].end |
11290.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].text |
在這裡只討論可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].start |
11290.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].end |
11292.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].text |
錄影可不可以裝監視器 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].start |
11292.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].end |
11296.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].text |
這裡不是只有錄影裝監視器 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].start |
11296.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].end |
11298.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].text |
錄製收集而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].start |
11298.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].end |
11302.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].text |
同意拍攝以後的問題才是更大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].start |
11304.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].end |
11306.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].text |
影像有影像管理的權限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].start |
11306.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].end |
11308.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].text |
它會連網 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].start |
11308.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].end |
11310.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].text |
它的流向它的保存 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].start |
11310.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].end |
11312.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].text |
這個才是大問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].start |
11312.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].end |
11314.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].text |
保證 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].start |
11314.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].end |
11316.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].text |
這個才是大問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].start |
11316.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].end |
11318.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].text |
你們有任何規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].start |
11321.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].end |
11323.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].text |
我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].start |
11323.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].end |
11325.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].text |
韓國首爾在2023年的3月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].start |
11325.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].end |
11327.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].text |
有一間很知名的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].start |
11327.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].end |
11329.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].text |
整形診所 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].start |
11329.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].end |
11331.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].text |
閉路電視 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].start |
11331.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].end |
11333.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].text |
招駭客入侵 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].start |
11333.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].end |
11335.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].text |
很多影片流出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].start |
11335.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].end |
11337.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].text |
然後這些暗網的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].start |
11337.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].end |
11339.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].text |
他們用這樣子發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].start |
11339.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].end |
11341.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].text |
你看新聞韓國的新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].start |
11342.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].end |
11344.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].text |
他們在發布著以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].start |
11344.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].end |
11346.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].text |
胸部整形外科 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].start |
11346.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].end |
11348.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].text |
網路閉路電視洩漏新作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].start |
11349.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].end |
11351.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].text |
你可以去看他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].start |
11351.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].end |
11353.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].text |
應診室、更衣室、手術室 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].start |
11353.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].end |
11357.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].text |
連藝人脫去上衣檢查的照片、影片都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].start |
11358.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].end |
11360.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].text |
這個有管理規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].start |
11360.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].end |
11362.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].text |
在台灣有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].start |
11364.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].end |
11366.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].text |
他這個在韓國的報道裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].start |
11366.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].end |
11368.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].text |
包括右邊的那副女生的臉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].start |
11368.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].end |
11370.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].text |
都看得一清二楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].start |
11370.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].end |
11372.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].text |
我現在講是這個暗網 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].start |
11372.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].end |
11374.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].text |
這個暗網直接告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].start |
11374.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].end |
11378.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].text |
我就是外科整形的醫生的照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].start |
11378.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].end |
11380.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].text |
你怎麼知道台灣的暗網 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].start |
11380.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].end |
11382.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].text |
有沒有這一種主題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].start |
11385.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].end |
11387.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].text |
保定你告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].start |
11387.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].end |
11389.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].text |
台灣的暗網現在有沒有類似的主題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].start |
11390.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].end |
11392.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].text |
跟委員說明這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].start |
11392.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].end |
11394.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].text |
如果是這個行為在目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].start |
11394.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].end |
11396.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].text |
台灣都有相關的法規的規定跟法則 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].start |
11396.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].end |
11398.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].text |
那麼這個侵入到醫療機構的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].start |
11398.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].end |
11400.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].text |
我們不要講犯罪者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].start |
11400.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].end |
11402.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].text |
這個是重罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].start |
11402.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].end |
11404.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].text |
我現在問你的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].start |
11404.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].end |
11406.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].text |
政府對於診所 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].start |
11406.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].end |
11408.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].text |
有沒有刻意相當的責任法律責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].start |
11410.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].end |
11412.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].text |
你在管理他們的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].start |
11412.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].end |
11414.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].text |
你對於他們的管理權限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].start |
11414.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].end |
11416.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].text |
連網流向保存 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].start |
11416.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].end |
11420.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].text |
你有對他們刻意什麼樣的責任嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].start |
11421.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].end |
11423.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].text |
他這個是被害的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].start |
11423.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].end |
11425.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].text |
被害當然是違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].start |
11425.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].end |
11427.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].text |
可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].start |
11424.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].end |
11428.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].text |
他的診所他的影像的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].start |
11428.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].end |
11430.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].text |
要達到哪一種等級 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].start |
11431.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].end |
11433.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].text |
你有規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].start |
11433.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].end |
11435.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].text |
這個侵入一定是違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].start |
11435.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].end |
11437.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].text |
現在已經要法律監視 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].start |
11437.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].end |
11439.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].text |
我在講診所的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].start |
11439.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].end |
11441.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].text |
有規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].start |
11441.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].end |
11443.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].text |
現在就是以醫療法規設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].start |
11443.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].end |
11445.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].text |
就是不得洩漏 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].start |
11445.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].end |
11447.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].text |
他沒有洩漏他是被害的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].start |
11448.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].end |
11450.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].text |
他用一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].start |
11450.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].end |
11452.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].text |
他用一個幾乎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].start |
11452.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].end |
11454.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].text |
非常加重的合作份 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].start |
11454.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].end |
11456.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].text |
請你先聽我講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].start |
11456.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].end |
11458.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].text |
他如果用一個幾乎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].start |
11458.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].end |
11460.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].text |
這個整個網路的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].start |
11461.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].end |
11463.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].text |
安全的等級是最低的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].start |
11463.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].end |
11467.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].text |
然後他沒有防禦能力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].start |
11467.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].end |
11469.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].text |
他也不違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].start |
11469.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].end |
11471.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].text |
因為政府沒有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].start |
11471.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].end |
11473.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].text |
所以他很容易被害 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].start |
11474.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].end |
11476.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].text |
問題在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].start |
11476.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].end |
11478.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].text |
政府沒有對於他們的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].start |
11478.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].end |
11480.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].text |
有任何的配套的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].start |
11483.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].end |
11485.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].text |
現在不要講竊取 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].start |
11485.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].end |
11487.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].text |
我跟你講的焦點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].start |
11487.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].end |
11489.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].text |
不要轉移焦點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].start |
11489.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].end |
11491.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].text |
從這個事件我是要跟你覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].start |
11491.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].end |
11493.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].text |
韓國的案例對台灣的醫療機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].start |
11493.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].end |
11495.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].text |
有哪些啟發 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].start |
11495.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].end |
11497.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].text |
韓國的案例對台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].start |
11497.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].end |
11499.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].text |
政府對醫療機構的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].start |
11501.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].end |
11503.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].text |
你不覺得有應該要立即 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].start |
11503.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].end |
11505.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].text |
馬上檢討的地方嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].start |
11511.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].end |
11513.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].text |
醫美診所為了防止 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].start |
11513.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].end |
11517.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].text |
診療室、手術室內部發生醫究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].start |
11517.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].end |
11519.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].text |
會徵求患者同意後錄影 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].start |
11519.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].end |
11521.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].text |
這個診所就有徵求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].start |
11521.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].end |
11523.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].text |
同意後錄影 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].start |
11523.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].end |
11527.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].text |
但是在更衣室拍攝影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].start |
11527.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].end |
11529.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].text |
他沒有監管者同意違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].start |
11530.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].end |
11533.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].text |
這個診所在接受JTBC採訪時 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].start |
11533.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].end |
11536.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].text |
他說更衣室有單獨不被攝影的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].start |
11536.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].end |
11538.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].text |
封閉空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].start |
11538.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].end |
11540.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].text |
也會事前告知女性患者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].start |
11540.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].end |
11542.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].text |
請問台灣的更衣室 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].start |
11542.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].end |
11544.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].text |
有規定不可以攝影嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].start |
11547.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].end |
11549.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].text |
有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].start |
11549.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].end |
11551.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].text |
台灣有任何法規說更衣室 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].start |
11551.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].end |
11553.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].text |
就是侵犯個人隱私 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].start |
11553.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].end |
11555.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].text |
在刑法裡面就有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].start |
11555.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].end |
11557.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].text |
防礙秘密跟防礙隱私 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].start |
11557.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].end |
11559.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].text |
請問在公共區域都可以裝嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].start |
11559.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].end |
11561.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].text |
需要取得執行權嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].start |
11563.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].end |
11565.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].text |
公共區域 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].start |
11565.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].end |
11569.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].text |
驗診室都可以裝嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].start |
11569.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].end |
11571.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].text |
需要取得書面同意嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].start |
11571.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].end |
11573.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].text |
驗診室在我們的規範裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].start |
11573.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].end |
11575.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].text |
提到要跟許可寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].start |
11575.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].end |
11577.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].text |
你的哪裡規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].start |
11577.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].end |
11579.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].text |
你的規範在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].start |
11579.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].end |
11581.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].text |
隱私規範就講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].start |
11581.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].end |
11583.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].text |
如果沒有的話他有什麼罰則 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].start |
11583.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].end |
11585.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].text |
有什麼罰則 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].start |
11585.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].end |
11587.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].text |
沒有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].start |
11586.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].end |
11588.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].text |
你就回到個資法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].start |
11588.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].end |
11590.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].text |
還有刑法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].start |
11590.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].end |
11596.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].text |
保證你自己目的事業主管機關主導的醫療法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].start |
11596.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].end |
11598.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].text |
就這樣子大家直接瀆職 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].start |
11598.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].end |
11600.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].text |
唐企不作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].start |
11600.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].end |
11602.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].text |
出事情我就跟你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].start |
11602.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].end |
11604.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].text |
有個資法有刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].start |
11604.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].end |
11606.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].text |
那我們特別法通通都可以取消了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].start |
11606.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].end |
11608.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].text |
你提的這些我都相當認同啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].start |
11608.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].end |
11610.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].text |
所以我們把它分兩段 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].start |
11610.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].end |
11612.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].text |
一個是違法的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].start |
11612.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].end |
11614.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].text |
該怎麼罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].start |
11614.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].end |
11616.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].text |
違法的樣態我已經不爭執 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].start |
11616.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].end |
11618.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].text |
我們都知道該怎麼罰就怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].start |
11618.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].end |
11620.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].text |
第二個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].start |
11620.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].end |
11622.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].text |
我現在跟你爭執的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].start |
11622.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].end |
11624.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].text |
同意拍攝就是收集的起點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].start |
11624.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].end |
11626.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].text |
但是後續有處理保管 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].start |
11631.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].end |
11633.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].text |
處理跟保管你不用客折 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].start |
11635.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].end |
11637.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].text |
這個應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].start |
11637.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].end |
11639.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].text |
診所要負起什麼樣的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].start |
11639.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].end |
11641.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].text |
今天變換同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].start |
11641.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].end |
11643.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].text |
是同意在特定醫療目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].start |
11643.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].end |
11645.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].text |
特定範圍下被拍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].start |
11645.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].end |
11647.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].text |
不是同意被你上雲端 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].start |
11647.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].end |
11649.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].text |
今天我同意了合法了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].start |
11649.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].end |
11651.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].text |
但是你該把我影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].start |
11651.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].end |
11653.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].text |
上雲端嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].start |
11653.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].end |
11655.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].text |
該讓即時觀看嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].start |
11655.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].end |
11657.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].text |
可以讓裝設錄影器材的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].start |
11657.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].end |
11659.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].text |
這一些維修人員也一起看嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].start |
11659.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].end |
11661.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].text |
該被多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].start |
11661.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].end |
11663.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].text |
調閱嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].start |
11663.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].end |
11665.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].text |
資安鬆散沒有任何管理要求下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].start |
11665.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].end |
11667.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].text |
有暴露於外流的風險之中嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].start |
11667.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].end |
11669.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].text |
我在講合法的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].start |
11673.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].end |
11675.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].text |
這個是兩塊確實非法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].start |
11675.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].end |
11677.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].text |
都投到大圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].start |
11677.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].end |
11679.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].text |
都在跟你講合法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].start |
11679.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].end |
11681.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].text |
同意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].start |
11681.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].end |
11683.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].text |
為什麼叫合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].start |
11683.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].end |
11685.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].text |
你這裡講我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].start |
11685.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].end |
11687.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].text |
叫合法太容易太簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].start |
11687.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].end |
11689.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].text |
合法所謂合法就是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].start |
11689.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].end |
11691.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].text |
你們沒有任何的法律規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].start |
11691.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].end |
11693.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].text |
所以他沒有違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].start |
11694.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].end |
11696.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].text |
他用廣泛的授權我同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].start |
11696.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].end |
11698.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].text |
然後就容易他就外洩了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].start |
11698.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].end |
11700.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].text |
因為你沒有更精緻的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].start |
11700.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].end |
11702.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].text |
所以這個就叫合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].start |
11702.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].end |
11704.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].text |
叫合法太輕鬆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].start |
11704.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].end |
11706.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].text |
這樣不是叫合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].start |
11706.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].end |
11708.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].text |
這個叫沒有管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].start |
11708.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].end |
11710.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].text |
毫無規範沒有管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].start |
11710.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].end |
11712.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].text |
造成濫用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].start |
11712.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].end |
11714.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].text |
連醫界想要遵循 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].start |
11714.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].end |
11716.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].text |
要守法也無法可以遵循 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].start |
11716.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].end |
11718.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].text |
人家醫界 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].start |
11718.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].end |
11720.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].text |
也不見得每個人都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].start |
11720.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].end |
11722.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].text |
這種惡質 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].start |
11723.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].end |
11725.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].text |
但有人要遵循 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].start |
11725.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].end |
11727.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].text |
醫界可以有遵循的規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].start |
11727.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].end |
11729.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].start |
11729.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].end |
11731.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].text |
所以醫美診所不能把防醫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].start |
11731.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].end |
11733.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].text |
療糾紛當成無限上綱 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].start |
11733.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].end |
11735.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].text |
的錄影 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].start |
11735.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].end |
11737.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].text |
然後只要取得同意就全部大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].start |
11737.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].end |
11739.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].text |
通通都可以錄影 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].start |
11739.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].end |
11741.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].text |
你還是要回到必要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].start |
11741.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].end |
11743.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].text |
比例原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].start |
11743.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].end |
11745.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].text |
而不是所有的療程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].start |
11745.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].end |
11747.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].text |
所有的空間所有的時間都需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].start |
11747.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].end |
11749.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].text |
攝影而不是只要診所 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].start |
11749.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].end |
11751.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].text |
單方認為有需要就可以全面安裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].start |
11753.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].end |
11755.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].text |
更衣室換衣區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].start |
11755.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].end |
11757.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].text |
麻醉前後裸露區域 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].start |
11757.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].end |
11759.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].text |
原則上都視為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].start |
11759.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].end |
11761.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].text |
高隱私近拍區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].start |
11762.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].end |
11764.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].text |
這個韓國的案例之所以震撼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].start |
11764.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].end |
11766.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].text |
他不是只有診療影像外露 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].start |
11766.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].end |
11768.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].text |
更衣室需要脫衣檢查的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].start |
11770.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].end |
11772.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].text |
需要脫衣檢查的空間也遭拍攝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].start |
11772.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].end |
11774.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].text |
並外流 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].start |
11774.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].end |
11776.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].text |
最容易發生高度羞辱性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].start |
11776.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].end |
11778.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].text |
難以恢復的損害 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].start |
11779.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].end |
11781.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].text |
而你們現在我問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].start |
11781.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].end |
11783.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].text |
你們除了更衣室以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].start |
11783.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].end |
11785.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].text |
你其他診療空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].start |
11785.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].end |
11787.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].text |
你看這右側就是診療空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].start |
11787.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].end |
11789.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].text |
給醫生看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].start |
11789.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].end |
11791.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].text |
錄影 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].start |
11790.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].end |
11792.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].text |
可以啊 何法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].start |
11792.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].end |
11794.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].text |
何法 她也同意啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].start |
11795.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].end |
11797.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].text |
就外流啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].start |
11796.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].end |
11798.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].text |
右邊那個圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].start |
11798.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].end |
11800.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].text |
他們韓國的新聞是連臉都露出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].start |
11803 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].end |
11805 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].text |
是我給他打馬賽克的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].start |
11805 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].end |
11807 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].text |
所以台灣現行的醫療隱私規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].start |
11808.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].end |
11810.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].text |
你們說啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].start |
11810.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].end |
11812.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].text |
這個要布連啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].start |
11812.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].end |
11814.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].text |
各別房間維護隱私 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].start |
11814.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].end |
11816.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].text |
但是他有錄影 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].start |
11816.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].end |
11818.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].text |
或許也有可能取得同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].start |
11818.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].end |
11820.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].text |
但是因為你們對於他保存 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].start |
11820.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].end |
11822.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].text |
上傳 雲端 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].start |
11822.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].end |
11824.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].text |
等等的管理都沒有詳細的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].start |
11824.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].end |
11826.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].text |
他就被看光了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].start |
11827.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].end |
11829.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].text |
你說那個是人家入侵的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].start |
11829.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].end |
11831.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].text |
你怎麼知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].start |
11831.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].end |
11833.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].text |
這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].start |
11833.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].end |
11835.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].text |
硬體的維護人員沒有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].start |
11835.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].end |
11837.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].text |
硬體維護人員沒有外露 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].start |
11839.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].end |
11841.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].text |
然後他看到了他沒有外露 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].start |
11842.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].end |
11844.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].text |
他看到我也不願意讓硬體維護人員看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].start |
11844.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].end |
11846.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].text |
我也不要啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].start |
11846.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].end |
11848.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].text |
我為什麼要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].start |
11848.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].end |
11850.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].text |
除了醫生護理人員在那裡以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].start |
11850.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].end |
11852.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].text |
我為什麼要讓你們上網 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].start |
11854.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].end |
11856.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].text |
你對上網不上網 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].start |
11856.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].end |
11858.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].text |
你有什麼規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].start |
11858.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].end |
11860.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].text |
他們錄製的影像可以上網嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].start |
11860.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].end |
11862.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].text |
為了他們管理方便 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].start |
11862.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].end |
11864.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].text |
就可以上網嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].start |
11865.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].end |
11867.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].text |
你應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].start |
11867.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].end |
11869.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].text |
管理核心是資安 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].start |
11870.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].end |
11872.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].text |
資安才是你們影像錄製 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].start |
11872.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].end |
11874.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].text |
最管理的核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].start |
11874.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].end |
11876.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].text |
而不是只有同意書 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].start |
11877.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].end |
11879.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].text |
而你們對各個醫界 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].start |
11879.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].end |
11881.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].text |
各個診所 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].start |
11881.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].end |
11883.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].text |
所有醫界 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].start |
11883.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].end |
11885.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].text |
你們對資安的要求在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].start |
11887.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].end |
11889.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].text |
真正的風險不是有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].start |
11889.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].end |
11891.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].text |
鏡頭在拍攝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].start |
11891.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].end |
11893.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].text |
而是你拍攝的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].start |
11893.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].end |
11895.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].text |
鏡頭是否上網 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].start |
11895.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].end |
11897.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].text |
是否可以遠端登入 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].start |
11897.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].end |
11899.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].text |
是否有預設密碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].start |
11899.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].end |
11901.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].text |
是否有開放外部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].start |
11901.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].end |
11903.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].text |
存取 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].start |
11903.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].end |
11905.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].text |
是否上傳第三方平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].start |
11905.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].end |
11907.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].text |
是否留有完整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].start |
11907.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].end |
11909.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].text |
存取記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].start |
11909.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].end |
11911.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].text |
有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].start |
11913.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].end |
11915.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].text |
什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].start |
11914.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].end |
11916.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].text |
多麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].start |
11916.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].end |
11918.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].text |
這叫健康太好當了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].start |
11920.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].end |
11922.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].start |
11921.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].end |
11923.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].text |
你們在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].start |
11923.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].end |
11925.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].text |
閉路系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].start |
11925.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].end |
11927.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].text |
錄影系統跟一般監視系統要分開 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].start |
11928.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].end |
11930.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].text |
優先採取不聯網 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].start |
11930.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].end |
11932.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].text |
限制存取加密儲存最小權限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].start |
11932.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].end |
11934.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].text |
留存調閱記錄的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].start |
11934.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].end |
11936.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].text |
通通都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].start |
11938.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].end |
11940.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].text |
所以一旦診療的影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].start |
11940.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].end |
11942.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].text |
包括合法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].start |
11942.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].end |
11944.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].text |
合法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].start |
11944.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].end |
11946.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].text |
你只要可以被遠端調閱 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].start |
11946.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].end |
11948.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].text |
風險就流出去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].start |
11948.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].end |
11950.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].text |
就不是只有診間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].start |
11950.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].end |
11952.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].text |
它延伸到系統的資安 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].start |
11952.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].end |
11954.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].text |
權限的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].start |
11954.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].end |
11956.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].text |
外部入侵 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].start |
11956.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].end |
11958.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].text |
病人的身體影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].start |
11958.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].end |
11960.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].text |
變成被竊取轉受散佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].start |
11960.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].end |
11962.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].text |
所以這個不是一般個資 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].start |
11962.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].end |
11964.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].text |
個資法講這個是特種個資 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].start |
11967.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].end |
11969.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].text |
所以現在真正的風險是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].start |
11969.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].end |
11971.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].text |
政府沒有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].start |
11970.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].end |
11972.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].text |
真正的風險不在於病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].start |
11972.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].end |
11974.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].text |
有沒有簽同意書 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].start |
11974.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].end |
11976.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].text |
而是診所是否把高度敏感的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].start |
11976.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].end |
11978.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].text |
醫療影像當成一般 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].start |
11978.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].end |
11980.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].text |
監視畫面來收集儲存 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].start |
11980.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].end |
11982.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].text |
和傳輸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].start |
11982.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].end |
11984.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].text |
現在台灣每個診所我可以跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].start |
11984.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].end |
11986.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].text |
百分之一百 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].start |
11986.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].end |
11988.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].text |
就是跟一般監視畫面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].start |
11988.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].end |
11990.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].text |
一樣收集儲存跟傳輸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].start |
11990.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].end |
11992.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].text |
因為政府沒有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].start |
11992.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].end |
11994.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].text |
那一旦設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].start |
11994.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].end |
11996.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].text |
可以連網權限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].start |
11996.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].end |
11998.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].text |
控管鬆散 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].start |
11998.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].end |
12000.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].text |
禁拍區不明刪除 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].start |
12000.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].end |
12002.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].text |
機制不清 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].start |
12002.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].end |
12004.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].text |
病人的同意就不再是權益保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].start |
12004.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].end |
12006.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].text |
病人簽了那個同意書 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].start |
12006.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].end |
12008.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].text |
就等於淪為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].start |
12008.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].end |
12010.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].text |
幫醫療機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].start |
12010.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].end |
12012.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].text |
負責的工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].start |
12013.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].end |
12015.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].text |
所以你叫那個同意書 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].start |
12015.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].end |
12017.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].text |
反而幫他法律背書了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].start |
12019.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].end |
12023.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].text |
台灣我們難道衛福部不需要建立完整嚴謹的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].start |
12023.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].end |
12025.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].text |
錄音錄影管理規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].start |
12025.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].end |
12027.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].text |
要包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].start |
12027.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].end |
12029.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].text |
錄影的必要性的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].start |
12029.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].end |
12031.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].text |
禁拍區域的清單 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].start |
12031.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].end |
12033.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].text |
設備連網的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].start |
12033.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].end |
12035.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].text |
調閱的全線保存的期限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].start |
12035.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].end |
12037.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].text |
刪除的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].start |
12037.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].end |
12039.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].text |
外包維護的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].start |
12039.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].end |
12041.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].text |
以及影像外流後的通報及 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].start |
12041.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].end |
12043.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].text |
下架程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].start |
12044.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].end |
12046.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].text |
請問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].start |
12046.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].end |
12048.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].text |
這個東西要不要入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].start |
12048.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].end |
12050.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].text |
還是要定一個指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].start |
12051.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].end |
12053.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].text |
一個指引就夠了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].start |
12053.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].end |
12055.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].text |
你可以告訴我嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].start |
12058.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].end |
12060.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].text |
入法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].start |
12060.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].end |
12062.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].text |
我做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].start |
12062.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].end |
12064.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].text |
這個很清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].start |
12064.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].end |
12066.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].text |
在這些個人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].start |
12066.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].end |
12068.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].text |
隱私空間像更衣室這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].start |
12068.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].end |
12070.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].text |
去裝設這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].start |
12070.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].end |
12072.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].text |
針孔也好攝影機也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].start |
12072.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].end |
12074.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].text |
那麼甚至讓那些資訊外線 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].start |
12074.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].end |
12076.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].text |
這個已經都是違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].start |
12076.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].end |
12078.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].text |
不管我們有沒有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].start |
12078.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].end |
12080.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].text |
它就是違法了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].start |
12080.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].end |
12082.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].text |
那麼至於如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].start |
12082.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].end |
12084.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].text |
是違法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].start |
12084.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].end |
12086.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].text |
違法的就不用講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].start |
12086.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].end |
12088.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].text |
那現在是合法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].start |
12088.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].end |
12090.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].text |
如何去強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].start |
12090.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].end |
12092.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].text |
這個管理者的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].start |
12092.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].end |
12094.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].text |
讓這些犯罪侵害的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].start |
12094.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].end |
12096.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].text |
可能性降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].start |
12096.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].end |
12098.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].text |
這是我們要來努力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].start |
12098.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].end |
12100.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].text |
但它就不能以指引定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].start |
12100.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].end |
12102.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].text |
要以法律定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].start |
12102.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].end |
12104.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].text |
這是對管理者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].start |
12104.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].end |
12106.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].text |
他的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].start |
12106.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].end |
12108.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].text |
要不要修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].start |
12108.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].end |
12110.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].text |
什麼時候啟動修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].start |
12110.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].end |
12112.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].text |
多久以內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].start |
12112.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].end |
12114.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].text |
我們來完整的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].start |
12114.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].end |
12116.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].text |
不要修法啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].start |
12116.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].end |
12118.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].text |
你們的醫事師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].start |
12118.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].end |
12120.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].text |
市長很好做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].start |
12120.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].end |
12122.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].text |
在這裡都不用講話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].start |
12121.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].end |
12123.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].text |
什麼事情都做不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].start |
12123.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].end |
12125.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].text |
都保證就扛著 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].start |
12125.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].end |
12127.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].text |
跟醫事師都沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].start |
12127.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].end |
12128.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].text |
你一個部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].start |
12128.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].end |
12130.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].text |
有辦法扶這麼多人嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].start |
12131.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].end |
12133.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].text |
我們這個會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].start |
12133.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].end |
12135.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].text |
專家大家一起討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].start |
12135.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].end |
12137.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].text |
您不覺得遲到很久了嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].start |
12137.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].end |
12139.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].text |
今天所有影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].start |
12139.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].end |
12141.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].text |
都外流到暗網創意私房 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].start |
12142.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].end |
12144.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].text |
我覺得政府獨止 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].start |
12145.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].end |
12147.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].text |
這個不用國賠嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].start |
12147.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].end |
12149.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].text |
某種程度要國賠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].start |
12149.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].end |
12151.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].text |
違法的不用國賠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].start |
12151.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].end |
12153.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].text |
要違法嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].start |
12153.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].end |
12155.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].text |
合法的流出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].start |
12155.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].end |
12157.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].text |
你們不是幫凶嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].start |
12157.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].end |
12159.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].text |
合法的是不能流出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].start |
12159.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].end |
12161.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].text |
流出去的不是合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].start |
12161.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].end |
12163.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].start |
12163.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].end |
12165.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].text |
它只是說怎麼樣去強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].start |
12165.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].end |
12167.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].text |
這個管理者的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].start |
12167.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].end |
12169.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].text |
讓這個犯罪的可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].start |
12169.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].end |
12171.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].text |
太輕鬆了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].start |
12171.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].end |
12173.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].text |
現在的管理者沒有任何法律責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].start |
12173.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].end |
12177.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].text |
現在你對管理者沒有刻意法律責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].start |
12177.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].end |
12179.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].text |
因為規範不明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].start |
12179.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].end |
12181.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].text |
人家醫生跟診所 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].start |
12181.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].end |
12183.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].text |
也想要遵循規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].start |
12183.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].end |
12185.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].text |
就毫無規範可遵循 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].start |
12185.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].end |
12187.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].text |
對不對? |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].start |
12187.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].end |
12189.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].text |
這個很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].start |
12189.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].end |
12191.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].text |
我們朝這個方向來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].start |
12193.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].end |
12195.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].text |
各位委員會報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].start |
12195.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].end |
12197.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].text |
我們今天中午繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].start |
12197.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].end |
12199.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].text |
帶全市委員巡達完畢後再行休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].start |
12199.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].end |
12201.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].text |
現在可以把便當發下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].start |
12201.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].end |
12203.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].text |
一起一邊用餐 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].start |
12203.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].end |
12205.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].text |
現在請王政訊委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].start |
12210.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].end |
12212.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].text |
好,謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].start |
12214.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].end |
12216.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].text |
我們還是要幫石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].start |
12216.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].end |
12218.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].text |
請石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].start |
12220.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].end |
12222.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].text |
好,歐委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].start |
12222.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].end |
12224.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].start |
12224.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].end |
12226.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].text |
今天還是有蠻多議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].start |
12226.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].end |
12228.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].text |
雖然是從預算的角度來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].start |
12228.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].end |
12230.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].text |
所有的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].start |
12230.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].end |
12232.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].text |
這邊有幾個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].start |
12232.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].end |
12234.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].text |
要跟部長討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].start |
12234.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].end |
12236.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].text |
有關世界衛生大會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].start |
12236.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].end |
12238.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].text |
跟國際對話的一個行動方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].start |
12238.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].end |
12240.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].text |
另外就是針對Hana病毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].start |
12240.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].end |
12242.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].text |
我們在防疫上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].start |
12242.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].end |
12244.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].text |
還有哪一些措施來加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].start |
12244.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].end |
12246.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].text |
另外是剛剛林書文委員所提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].start |
12246.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].end |
12248.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].text |
如果訂定監視 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].start |
12248.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].end |
12250.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].text |
錄影製藥的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].start |
12250.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].end |
12252.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].text |
來保障國人就醫的隱私權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].start |
12252.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].end |
12254.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].text |
那在開始之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].start |
12254.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].end |
12256.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].text |
明天就是5月12號 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].start |
12256.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].end |
12258.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].text |
是國際護師節 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].start |
12258.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].end |
12260.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].text |
我們還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].start |
12260.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].end |
12262.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].text |
祝福 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].start |
12262.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].end |
12264.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].text |
我們這個所有的護師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].start |
12266.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].end |
12268.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].text |
還有護士的同仁們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].start |
12268.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].end |
12270.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].text |
然後護士節快樂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].start |
12270.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].end |
12272.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].text |
部長,我想今天也都討論非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].start |
12272.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].end |
12274.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].start |
12274.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].end |
12276.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].text |
大家都非常關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].start |
12276.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].end |
12278.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].text |
這個護理的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].start |
12278.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].end |
12280.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].text |
也希望說在護理權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].start |
12280.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].end |
12282.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].text |
跟醫療服務的品質跟量能之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].start |
12282.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].end |
12284.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].text |
達成平衡,讓民眾就醫的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].start |
12284.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].end |
12286.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].text |
跟護理工作的權益都能夠充分的被保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].start |
12286.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].end |
12288.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].text |
所以我認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].start |
12288.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].end |
12290.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].text |
在三班負病比入法以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].start |
12290.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].end |
12292.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].text |
接下來配套 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].start |
12292.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].end |
12294.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].text |
要怎麼落實才是真正的關鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].start |
12294.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].end |
12296.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].text |
那想 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].start |
12296.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].end |
12298.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].text |
利用這個機會請部長再說明說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].start |
12298.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].end |
12300.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].text |
要在實施的2028年5月1號之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].start |
12300.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].end |
12302.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].start |
12302.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].end |
12304.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].text |
要如何讓這個人力能夠補足 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].start |
12304.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].end |
12306.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].text |
那第二個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].start |
12306.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].end |
12308.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].text |
就是裁員要如何處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].start |
12308.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].end |
12310.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].text |
那健保或公務預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].start |
12310.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].end |
12312.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].text |
是否能夠有足夠的因應準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].start |
12312.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].end |
12314.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].start |
12314.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].end |
12316.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].text |
是不是可以再一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].start |
12316.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].end |
12318.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].text |
再做一些說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].start |
12318.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].end |
12320.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].start |
12320.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].end |
12322.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].text |
謝謝委員給我這個機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].start |
12322.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].end |
12324.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].text |
再更清楚的講個清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].start |
12324.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].end |
12326.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].text |
其實三班負病比入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].start |
12326.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].end |
12328.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].text |
不是今日才開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].start |
12328.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].end |
12330.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].text |
這個是在113年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].start |
12330.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].end |
12332.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].text |
總統上任之後就啟動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].start |
12332.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].end |
12334.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].text |
那麼所以我們在114年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].start |
12334.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].end |
12336.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].text |
那麼行政院就已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].start |
12336.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].end |
12338.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].text |
核定讓我們有一筆預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].start |
12338.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].end |
12340.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].text |
來做這個護理人力的改革 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].start |
12340.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].end |
12342.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].text |
那就是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].start |
12342.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].end |
12344.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].text |
回應到委員所關心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].start |
12344.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].end |
12346.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].text |
這個人力怎麼樣補足 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].start |
12346.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].end |
12348.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].text |
才能夠達到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].start |
12348.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].end |
12350.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].text |
113年所討論出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].start |
12350.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].end |
12352.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].text |
三班負病比的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].start |
12352.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].end |
12354.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].text |
第一個我們從 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].start |
12354.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].end |
12356.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].text |
人才培育的部分去強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].start |
12356.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].end |
12358.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].text |
讓教考用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].start |
12358.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].end |
12360.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].text |
這邊可以一貫性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].start |
12360.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].end |
12362.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].text |
第二個從改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].start |
12362.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].end |
12364.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].text |
這個職場的環境做起 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].start |
12364.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].end |
12366.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].text |
所以包含我們做了一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].start |
12366.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].end |
12368.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].text |
夜班的津貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].start |
12368.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].end |
12370.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].text |
做了一些三班負病比的獎勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].start |
12370.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].end |
12372.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].text |
也做新手導師的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].start |
12372.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].end |
12374.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].text |
帶領這個新進的護理人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].start |
12374.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].end |
12376.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].text |
那麼不用那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].start |
12376.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].end |
12378.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].text |
壓力那麼大那麼恐慌 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].start |
12378.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].end |
12380.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].text |
那麼也做這個友善 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].start |
12380.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].end |
12382.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].text |
還有我們在各個職場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].start |
12382.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].end |
12384.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].text |
典範的表揚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].start |
12384.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].end |
12386.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].text |
讓大家互相的做標竿學習 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].start |
12386.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].end |
12388.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].text |
共同改善這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].start |
12388.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].end |
12390.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].text |
護理的環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].start |
12390.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].end |
12392.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].text |
那麼另外也導入的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].start |
12392.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].end |
12394.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].text |
智慧照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].start |
12394.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].end |
12396.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].text |
那麼智慧護理等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].start |
12396.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].end |
12398.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].text |
去減輕這些paper work |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].start |
12398.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].end |
12400.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].text |
那麼評鑑的改革也同步在進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].start |
12400.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].end |
12402.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].text |
這些都是在改善整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].start |
12402.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].end |
12404.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].text |
護理的這個職場的環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].start |
12404.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].end |
12406.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].text |
另外在薪資的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].start |
12406.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].end |
12408.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].text |
也在做提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].start |
12408.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].end |
12410.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].text |
那各項的健保的支付標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].start |
12410.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].end |
12412.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].text |
現在調整的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].start |
12412.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].end |
12414.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].text |
都會加入一個要多少比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].start |
12414.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].end |
12416.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].text |
要用在第一線人員的上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].start |
12416.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].end |
12418.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].text |
所以包含我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].start |
12418.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].end |
12420.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].text |
護理費的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].start |
12420.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].end |
12422.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].text |
各項集中證支付裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].start |
12422.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].end |
12424.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].text |
也都有相類似的這些規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].start |
12424.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].end |
12426.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].text |
那麼另外在公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].start |
12426.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].end |
12428.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].text |
公務人員的這個公立醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].start |
12428.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].end |
12430.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].text |
的專業加級的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].start |
12430.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].end |
12432.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].text |
那麼也提升了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].start |
12432.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].end |
12434.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].text |
這些都是在做加薪的準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].start |
12434.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].end |
12436.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].text |
那另外這幾年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].start |
12436.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].end |
12438.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].text |
健保的挹注也增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].start |
12438.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].end |
12440.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].text |
那讓醫院有疑於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].start |
12440.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].end |
12442.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].text |
也是要求他們要對這個人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].start |
12442.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].end |
12444.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].text |
要做一些第一線人員的加薪 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].start |
12444.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].end |
12446.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].text |
所以這一些其實都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].start |
12446.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].end |
12448.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].text |
在做這個配套的準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].start |
12448.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].end |
12450.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].text |
只不過這個人力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].start |
12450.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].end |
12452.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].text |
的補足不是一觸可及 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].start |
12452.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].end |
12454.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].text |
在前幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].start |
12454.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].end |
12456.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].text |
前年的時候一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].start |
12456.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].end |
12458.75 |
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才增加了一千多位 |
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那是到去年才增加到 |
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12460.75 |
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12462.75 |
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差不多四千多位左右 |
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12462.75 |
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那是一整年 |
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12466.75 |
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那還要分配到各種不同的機構 |
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12466.75 |
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12468.75 |
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所以我們是需要 |
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12468.75 |
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12470.75 |
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有時間不過我們看到的是 |
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12470.75 |
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12472.75 |
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已經在進步 |
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12472.75 |
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12474.75 |
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已經在讓護病比在 |
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12474.75 |
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12476.75 |
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降低當中了 |
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12476.75 |
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12478.75 |
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好我們期待透過這些努力 |
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12478.75 |
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12480.75 |
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至少我們的護理同仁 |
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12480.75 |
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12482.75 |
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可以安心的持續在職場 |
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12482.75 |
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12484.75 |
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招呼我們所謂全體國民 |
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12484.75 |
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12486.75 |
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當他需要住院的時候 |
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12486.75 |
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12488.75 |
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能夠得到大家最好的照顧 |
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12488.75 |
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12490.75 |
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好再次感謝部長 |
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12490.75 |
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12492.75 |
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這方面的說明 |
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12492.75 |
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12494.75 |
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就是有關於這個WHA |
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12494.75 |
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12496.75 |
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就是世界衛生大會期間 |
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12496.75 |
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12498.75 |
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如何向國際社會說明我國 |
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12498.75 |
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12500.75 |
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的這個公衛成果 |
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12500.75 |
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12502.75 |
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WHA將在本月 |
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12502.75 |
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12504.75 |
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的18日在瑞士日內瓦開幕 |
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12504.75 |
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12506.75 |
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我們當然期待行政部門能夠持續 |
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12506.75 |
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12508.75 |
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爭取各項實質的參與 |
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12508.75 |
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12510.75 |
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那目前瞭解包括衛福部 |
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12510.75 |
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12512.75 |
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外交部下午也會開一個 |
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12512.75 |
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12514.75 |
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相關的這個說明會 |
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12514.75 |
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12516.75 |
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來共同辦理跨國 |
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12516.75 |
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12518.75 |
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智慧醫療實踐與公共 |
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12518.75 |
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12520.75 |
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體系升級的國際論壇 |
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12520.75 |
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12522.75 |
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在日內瓦舉行 |
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12522.75 |
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12524.75 |
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那也會舉辦首屆的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].start |
12524.75 |
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12526.75 |
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WHA台灣智慧醫療與健康產業展 |
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12526.75 |
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12528.75 |
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期待共同研討 |
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12528.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].end |
12530.75 |
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數位醫療的願景 |
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12530.75 |
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12532.75 |
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並提升台灣智慧醫療跟醫療 |
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12532.75 |
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12534.75 |
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外交人員外的成果 |
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12534.75 |
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12536.75 |
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那請問部長目前在WHA期間 |
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12536.75 |
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12538.75 |
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問部還有什麼相關的行動法案 |
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12538.75 |
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12540.75 |
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以及包括 |
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12540.75 |
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12542.75 |
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雙邊或多邊合作的一些內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].start |
12542.75 |
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12544.75 |
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各位請部長稍微說明 |
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12544.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].end |
12546.75 |
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好謝謝委員 |
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12546.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].end |
12548.75 |
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這個捶詢喔那麼今年的 |
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12548.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].end |
12552.75 |
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這個世界衛生大會的活動 |
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12552.75 |
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12554.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].text |
那麼我們跟外交部共同合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].start |
12554.75 |
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12556.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].text |
那麼在周邊我們會辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].start |
12556.75 |
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12558.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].text |
市場的國際論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].start |
12558.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].end |
12560.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].text |
那麼包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].start |
12560.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].end |
12562.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].text |
癌症的防治 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].start |
12562.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].end |
12564.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].text |
吸肝的根除 |
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12564.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].end |
12566.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].text |
還有智慧醫療跟醫療韌性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].start |
12566.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].end |
12568.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].text |
那把台灣的經驗 |
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12568.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].end |
12570.75 |
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那麼也邀請了其他的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].start |
12570.75 |
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12572.75 |
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共同參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].start |
12572.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].end |
12574.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].text |
那麼讓這個經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].start |
12574.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].end |
12576.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].text |
可以互相的交流分享 |
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12576.75 |
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12578.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].text |
那第二個在同時 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].start |
12578.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].end |
12580.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].text |
這個舉辦論壇的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].start |
12580.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].end |
12582.75 |
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同一個場所我們也 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].start |
12582.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].end |
12584.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].text |
跟外交部合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].start |
12584.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].end |
12586.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].text |
那麼導入了我們的智慧醫療展 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].start |
12586.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].end |
12588.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].text |
那麼讓台灣的相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].start |
12588.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].end |
12590.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].text |
醫療體系也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].start |
12590.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].end |
12592.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].text |
或者是業者也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].start |
12592.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].end |
12594.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].text |
共同到這個日內瓦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].start |
12594.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].end |
12596.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].text |
那麼透過全世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].start |
12596.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].end |
12598.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].text |
各重要的衛生官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].start |
12598.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].end |
12600.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].text |
都會籍的這一段期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].start |
12600.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].end |
12602.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].text |
那麼可以讓台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].start |
12602.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].end |
12604.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].text |
智慧醫療包含產業的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].start |
12604.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].end |
12606.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].text |
有一個很好的國際的平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].start |
12606.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].end |
12608.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].text |
那麼讓世界知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].start |
12608.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].end |
12610.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].text |
那麼讓這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].start |
12610.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].end |
12612.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].text |
Taiwan Can Help這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].start |
12612.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].end |
12614.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].text |
可以真正的去落地落石 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].start |
12614.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].end |
12616.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].text |
這個今年的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].start |
12616.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].end |
12618.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].text |
跟往年有特別不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].start |
12618.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].end |
12620.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].text |
Taiwan Can Help的確 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].start |
12620.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].end |
12622.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].text |
那台灣也希望能夠被 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].start |
12622.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].end |
12624.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].text |
完整的看見 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].start |
12624.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].end |
12626.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].text |
WHA這個周邊相關的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].start |
12626.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].end |
12628.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].text |
是一個很好的場域 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].start |
12628.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].end |
12630.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].text |
也很歡迎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].start |
12630.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].end |
12632.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].text |
邀請委員同行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].start |
12632.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].end |
12634.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].text |
你最近行動比較不方便 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].start |
12634.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].end |
12636.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].text |
但是如果能夠有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].start |
12636.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].end |
12638.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].text |
委員的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].start |
12638.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].end |
12640.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].text |
這個加持啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].start |
12640.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].end |
12642.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].text |
會更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].start |
12642.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].end |
12644.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].text |
那我們了解美國總統川普 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].start |
12644.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].end |
12646.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].text |
在去年被簽署行政令 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].start |
12646.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].end |
12648.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].text |
並於今年的1月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].start |
12648.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].end |
12650.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].text |
正式啟動這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].start |
12650.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].end |
12652.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].text |
退出世界衛生組織 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].start |
12652.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].end |
12654.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].text |
WHO 那美國政府表達的主要原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].start |
12654.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].end |
12656.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].text |
是因為包含認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].start |
12656.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].end |
12658.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].text |
WHO在COVID期間的防疫不力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].start |
12658.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].end |
12660.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].text |
那以及接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].start |
12660.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].end |
12662.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].text |
確定國家的過度影響等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].start |
12662.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].end |
12664.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].text |
那在今年出這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].start |
12664.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].end |
12666.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].text |
美國國務卿跟他們的衛生部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].start |
12666.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].end |
12668.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].text |
就中止WHO成員資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].start |
12668.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].end |
12670.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].text |
所發布的一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].start |
12670.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].end |
12672.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].text |
聯合聲明裡面指出了退出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].start |
12672.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].end |
12674.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].text |
的相關的原因還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].start |
12674.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].end |
12676.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].text |
以及這個美國對未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].start |
12676.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].end |
12678.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].text |
在全球公衛領域所要 |
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12678.75 |
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12680.75 |
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扮演的角色那其中聲明 |
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12680.75 |
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提及美國未來將透過 |
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12684.75 |
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直接雙邊以結果 |
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為導向夥伴關係來引領 |
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12686.75 |
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12688.75 |
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全球的公共衛生並繼續 |
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12688.75 |
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12690.75 |
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在美國集資的信賴的衛生 |
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12690.75 |
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機構合作 |
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12694.75 |
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分享最佳的因應模式並推動 |
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12694.75 |
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12696.75 |
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全球的這個衛生安全 |
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12696.75 |
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12698.75 |
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那請問部長台灣是否有 |
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12700.75 |
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更多的空間在未來與美國 |
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12700.75 |
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建立更多官方 |
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或學員機構之間的 |
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12704.75 |
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12706.75 |
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雙邊合作關係夥伴 |
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12706.75 |
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12708.75 |
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來加強兩邊的這個 |
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12708.75 |
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12710.75 |
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相關的這個合作跟相關的策略 |
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12712.75 |
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因為我們這邊所提到的就是 |
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12712.75 |
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12714.75 |
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不只是官方 |
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12716.75 |
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其實美國學術界跟醫療界對於 |
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12716.75 |
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12718.75 |
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美國政府退出WHO |
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12718.75 |
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12720.75 |
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的變動也有相當多的討論 |
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12720.75 |
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12722.75 |
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其實很多人擔心將會 |
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12722.75 |
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12724.75 |
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面臨資源縮減 |
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12724.75 |
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12726.75 |
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或者是這個 |
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12728.75 |
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研究中斷因為過去許多 |
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12728.75 |
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12730.75 |
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研究資源是透過WHO相關的 |
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12730.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].end |
12732.75 |
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機制跟平台來落實到各個 |
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12732.75 |
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12734.75 |
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學員的機構那現在的變動 |
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12734.75 |
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12736.75 |
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包括美國政府對於醫療 |
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12736.75 |
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12738.75 |
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衛生政策的轉向等等 |
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12738.75 |
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12740.75 |
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醫界跟學界對於資源跟數據 |
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12740.75 |
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12742.75 |
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可能面臨的雙重的 |
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12742.75 |
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12744.75 |
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鍛鍊都非常非常的 |
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12744.75 |
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12746.75 |
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擔心也真的很疑慮 |
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12746.75 |
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12748.75 |
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那衛福部可以試著評估 |
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12748.75 |
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12750.75 |
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在這些情形之下 |
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12750.75 |
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12752.75 |
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台灣跟美國相關的學術 |
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12752.75 |
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12754.75 |
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的合作上有沒有機會 |
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12754.75 |
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12756.75 |
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來做更好的突破 |
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12756.75 |
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12758.75 |
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這部分是部長也可以利用 |
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12758.75 |
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12760.75 |
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這個機會跟大家說 |
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12760.75 |
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12762.75 |
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也謝謝這個委員的提醒 |
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12762.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].end |
12764.75 |
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確實這個美國 |
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12764.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].end |
12766.75 |
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今年已經明確 |
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12766.75 |
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12768.75 |
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的表態不參加 |
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12768.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].end |
12770.75 |
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這個世衛大會 |
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12770.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].end |
12772.75 |
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所以這個很可惜 |
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12772.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].end |
12774.75 |
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但是因為畢竟這個世界衛生大會 |
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12774.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].end |
12776.75 |
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還是現在全球在公共衛生 |
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12776.75 |
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12778.75 |
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醫療上面非常重要的平台 |
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12778.75 |
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12780.75 |
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所以我們還是不能缺席 |
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12780.75 |
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12782.75 |
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但是如何去強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].start |
12782.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].end |
12784.75 |
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跟台美的互動 |
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12784.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].end |
12786.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].text |
特別是在衛生醫療領域 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].start |
12786.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].end |
12788.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].text |
那麼我們其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].start |
12788.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].end |
12790.75 |
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過去就在疫情當中 |
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12790.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].end |
12792.75 |
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有簽署了台美的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].start |
12792.75 |
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12794.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].text |
MOU所以這個 |
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12794.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].end |
12796.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].text |
合作備忘錄我們會繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].start |
12796.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].end |
12798.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].text |
的推動那現在也正在洽談 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].start |
12798.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].end |
12800.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].text |
在續簽這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].start |
12800.75 |
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12802.75 |
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這是一個那第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].start |
12802.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].end |
12804.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].text |
我們每年也都專門會邀請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].start |
12804.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].end |
12806.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].text |
美國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].start |
12806.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].end |
12808.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].text |
縣職的這幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].start |
12808.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].end |
12810.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].text |
都有縣職的官員來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].start |
12810.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].end |
12812.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].text |
台灣我們舉辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].start |
12812.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].end |
12814.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].text |
台美這個衛生福利論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].start |
12814.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].end |
12816.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].text |
那今年也是在六月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].start |
12816.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].end |
12818.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].text |
會舉辦這個也是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].start |
12818.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].end |
12820.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].text |
強化的平台另外在八月間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].start |
12820.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].end |
12822.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].text |
也會在美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].start |
12822.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].end |
12824.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].text |
會有跟他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].start |
12824.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].end |
12826.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].text |
這個各州的衛生 |
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12826.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].end |
12828.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].text |
官員甚至是中央的官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].start |
12828.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].end |
12830.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].text |
會有這個圓桌論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].start |
12830.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].end |
12832.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].text |
的活動那都是透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].start |
12832.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].end |
12834.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].text |
很多這樣的實質的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].start |
12834.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].end |
12836.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].text |
這個交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].start |
12836.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].end |
12838.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].text |
跟這個互動 |
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12838.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].end |
12840.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].text |
那麼來深化雙邊的夥伴關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].start |
12840.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].end |
12842.75 |
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好太好了至少 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].start |
12842.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].end |
12844.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].text |
希望能夠不管是學員界 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].start |
12844.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].end |
12846.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].text |
或是食物界都能夠 |
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12846.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].end |
12848.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].text |
跟台美有更多的這個 |
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12848.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].end |
12850.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].text |
發展那再過來就要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].start |
12850.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].end |
12852.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].text |
麻煩我們羅一鈞署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].start |
12852.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].end |
12854.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].text |
針對強化漢他病毒的防疫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].start |
12854.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].end |
12856.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].text |
措施也讓民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].start |
12856.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].end |
12858.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].text |
更安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].start |
12858.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].end |
12860.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].text |
透過疾管署 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].start |
12860.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].end |
12862.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].text |
羅署長對國人的說明我們了解到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].start |
12862.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].end |
12864.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].text |
今年一月到十月期間我國 |
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12864.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].end |
12866.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].text |
也計有兩例的漢他病毒的個案 |
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12866.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].end |
12868.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].text |
包括台北市新北市各地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].start |
12868.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].end |
12870.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].text |
事實上跟近四年來的同期 |
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12870.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].end |
12872.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].text |
相比並沒有 |
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12872.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].end |
12874.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].text |
額外的特別的增加從過去 |
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12874.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].end |
12876.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].text |
的疫情變化趨勢來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].start |
12876.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].end |
12878.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].text |
不容易出現漢他病毒大規模的傳播 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].start |
12878.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].end |
12880.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].text |
的情形不過羅署長 |
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12880.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].end |
12882.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].text |
也有提醒大家說五到六月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].start |
12882.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].end |
12884.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].text |
十到十二月期間可能是 |
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12884.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].end |
12886.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].text |
疫情上的上升的可能性推測 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].start |
12886.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].end |
12888.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].text |
跟老鼠這個春秋季 |
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12888.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].end |
12890.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].text |
原來繁殖高峰是有關係的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].start |
12890.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].end |
12892.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].text |
那近期呢國外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].start |
12892.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].end |
12894.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].text |
有一說有一稍 |
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12894.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].end |
12896.75 |
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就是宏迪亞絲號的郵輪包含 |
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漢他病毒這個 |
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感染導致三名乘客不幸上升 |
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那這一部分經 |
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疾管署的確認該轉病沒有台灣 |
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的公民不過這也顯示郵輪其實 |
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是一個這個鼠患 |
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發生的熱區 |
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我們也知道基隆跟高雄是 |
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國國的這個兩大 |
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郵輪的母港 |
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包括這個MSC就是榮耀號 |
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還有這個哥倫達 |
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還有挪約奮進號 |
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等郵輪都會 |
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頻繁的停靠到這個 |
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不管是基隆或者是高雄港 |
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那所以這部分應該要強化 |
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郵輪乘客的衛教宣傳 |
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跟因應相關風險的防疫措施 |
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這部分就要麻煩 |
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我們這個疾管署 |
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部裡面能夠加強這方面的處理 |
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事實上公衛等領域的學者 |
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進行研究的報告 |
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告訴我們說這個氣候變遷 |
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可能加劇這個鼠類 |
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族群分布的擴張 |
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年代會 |
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導致這個特定病毒的理性的擴張 |
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所以未來衛福部 |
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疾管署應該跟環境部 |
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跨部會再研擬相關的對策 |
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那這部分可不可以請 |
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羅市長跟我們做一些說明 |
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報告委員就是在郵輪 |
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的部分應該是我們的國際港部 |
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我們都有在例行其實 |
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已經行之多年都會去監測 |
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這個鼠類就是會捕鼠龍 |
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去抓老鼠然後也會來驗 |
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相亢大病毒在內相關的病毒 |
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那過去幾年是沒有看到有明顯 |
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的增減 |
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但是因為現在有這個南美 |
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阿根廷出發的這個 |
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郵輪的南美這個 |
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安地斯病毒的這個事件 |
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所以我們已經成立專案小組 |
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就這個比較是少見的 |
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漢納病毒萬一有這個旅客 |
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帶進來要怎麼樣 |
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來因應跟處理包括說 |
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隔離還有接觸者追蹤等等 |
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這些會修訂我們的工作手冊 |
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那至於委員所 |
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13008.06 |
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提醒的這個氣候變遷跟 |
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鼠類相關的分布 |
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13012.06 |
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我想我們會遵照委員的提醒來跟環境部 |
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13012.06 |
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13014.06 |
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來開會來討論 |
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13016.06 |
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後續的一些處理 |
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13018.06 |
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那我們也會在防疫議題這樣一個架構 |
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之下請農業部一起來 |
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因為農地這邊的這個老鼠 |
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13024.06 |
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是由農業部主管 |
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13026.06 |
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所以我們就是三個部會會就這個鼠類 |
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的一些狀況會在後續開會討論 |
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是謝謝因為我們知道 |
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13032.06 |
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現在各大城市好像 |
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13034.06 |
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鼠患 |
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13036.06 |
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造成的一些問題 |
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13038.06 |
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希望能夠跟各個地方政府 |
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13040.06 |
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共同來合作 |
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13042.06 |
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讓這個鼠患可以減到最低 |
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13044.06 |
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影響到民眾健康的部分 |
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謝謝處長 |
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13048.06 |
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最後還是要跟部長討論一下 |
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13050.06 |
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保障民眾就醫的隱私權 |
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13050.06 |
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13052.06 |
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部長我們也了解剛剛 |
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13052.06 |
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13054.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].text |
我們石分委員 |
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13054.06 |
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13056.06 |
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也跟你用很長的時間討論 |
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13056.06 |
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13058.06 |
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我們所知道近日這個 |
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13060.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].text |
ILE連鎖義美集團 |
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13060.06 |
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13062.06 |
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疑似真恐偷拍的事件讓國人 |
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13064.06 |
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感到不寒而慄 |
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13064.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].end |
13066.06 |
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這是非常嚴重相當惡劣的行為 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5052].end |
13068.06 |
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請部長務必要嚴加查辦 |
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13070.06 |
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但這次事件也讓社會重新 |
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13072.06 |
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審視現有的保障醫療 |
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13074.06 |
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隱私規範的可能缺漏 |
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13074.06 |
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13076.06 |
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事實上在衛福部2015年 |
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13076.06 |
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13078.06 |
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有訂定了一個醫療機構 |
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13080.06 |
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醫療隱私 |
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13080.06 |
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13082.06 |
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維護規範 |
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13084.06 |
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在第二點的第二項 |
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13086.06 |
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有規定與 |
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13086.06 |
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13088.06 |
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診療過程 |
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13088.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].end |
13090.06 |
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醫病雙方如需入陰 |
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13090.06 |
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13092.06 |
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或者是入癮 |
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13094.06 |
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針對對方的同意 |
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13096.06 |
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然而根據過去衛福部的 |
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13096.06 |
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13098.06 |
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韓文裡面所指出 |
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13100.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].text |
該規範所稱的針對同意 |
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13102.06 |
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並沒有限制它的方式 |
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13104.06 |
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我想大家會很在意 |
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13106.06 |
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到底是口頭就認為同意 |
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13108.06 |
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還是需要什麼情形下 |
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13108.06 |
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13110.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].text |
需要書面同意 |
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13110.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].end |
13112.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].text |
我認為這個對醫療食物現場造成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].start |
13112.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].end |
13114.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].text |
某些程度的磨合空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].start |
13114.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].end |
13116.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].text |
病患根本不清楚到底在何時 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].start |
13116.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].end |
13118.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].text |
或者是在何地已經被針對同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].start |
13118.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].end |
13120.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].text |
只有口頭告知 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].start |
13120.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].end |
13122.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].text |
或是有同意書的簽名等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].start |
13122.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].end |
13124.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].text |
這個對於病患的知情權跟隱私權來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].start |
13124.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].end |
13126.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].text |
都是保障不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].start |
13126.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].end |
13128.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].text |
所以在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].start |
13128.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].end |
13130.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].text |
有兩個問題要來請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].start |
13130.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].end |
13132.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].text |
第一個就是如果醫療機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].start |
13132.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].end |
13134.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].text |
所在未經同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].start |
13134.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].end |
13136.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].text |
又不具正當理由的情形之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].start |
13136.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].end |
13138.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].text |
那在診間或病房 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].start |
13138.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].end |
13140.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].text |
擅自入陰或入陰 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].start |
13140.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].end |
13142.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].text |
當事人有否全力要求機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].start |
13142.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].end |
13144.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].text |
在當下立即刪除相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].start |
13144.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].end |
13146.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].text |
影印資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].start |
13146.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].end |
13148.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].text |
如果機構不願意配合當事人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].start |
13148.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].end |
13150.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].text |
如何主張文後自身的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].start |
13150.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].end |
13152.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].text |
第二個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].start |
13152.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].end |
13154.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].text |
現行隱私維護規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].start |
13154.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].end |
13156.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].text |
實在過於粗略 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].start |
13155.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].end |
13157.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].text |
缺乏相關的作業細節 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].start |
13157.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].end |
13159.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].text |
我認為衛福部應該要研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].start |
13159.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].end |
13161.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].text |
訂定更為完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].start |
13161.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].end |
13163.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].text |
因為周全的監視錄影設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].start |
13163.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].end |
13165.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].text |
設置及資訊管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].start |
13165.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].end |
13167.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].text |
辦法來明確規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].start |
13167.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].end |
13169.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].text |
醫療院所在哪一些區域 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].start |
13169.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].end |
13171.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].text |
進行入陰錄影時 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].start |
13171.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].end |
13173.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].text |
必須取得書面同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].start |
13173.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].end |
13175.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].text |
哪一些情境可使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].start |
13175.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].end |
13177.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].text |
利用口頭告知或者是張貼告知 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].start |
13177.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].end |
13179.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].text |
來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].start |
13179.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].end |
13181.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].text |
資料誰能看能夠保存多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].start |
13181.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].end |
13183.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].text |
讓這個醫療院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].start |
13183.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].end |
13185.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].text |
院所對什麼是合理必要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].start |
13185.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].end |
13187.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].text |
入陰情境有所了解跟依循 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].start |
13187.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].end |
13189.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].text |
部長可以承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].start |
13189.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].end |
13191.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].text |
趕快來研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].start |
13191.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].end |
13193.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].text |
訂定管理辦法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].start |
13193.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].end |
13195.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].text |
好這個跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].start |
13195.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].end |
13197.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].start |
13197.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].end |
13199.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].text |
要立即刪除影像的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].start |
13199.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].end |
13201.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].text |
這個按照各自法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].start |
13201.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].end |
13203.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].text |
授權就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].start |
13203.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].end |
13205.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].text |
所以這個是沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].start |
13205.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].end |
13207.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].text |
那至於對於剛剛我在回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].start |
13207.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].end |
13209.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].text |
林淑芬委員的質詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].start |
13209.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].end |
13211.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].text |
有特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].start |
13211.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].end |
13213.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].text |
加強管理者的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].start |
13213.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].end |
13215.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].text |
那麼來降低這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].start |
13215.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].end |
13219.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].text |
違法使用的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].start |
13219.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].end |
13221.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].text |
包含被侵入的這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].start |
13221.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].end |
13223.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].text |
來訂立一個管理的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].start |
13223.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].end |
13225.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].text |
那麼向委員所建議的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].start |
13225.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].end |
13227.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].text |
監視錄影與資訊管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].start |
13227.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].end |
13229.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].text |
這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].start |
13229.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].end |
13231.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].text |
我覺得是我們朝這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].start |
13231.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].end |
13233.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].text |
來做 那麼至於他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].start |
13233.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].end |
13235.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].text |
這個授權法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].start |
13235.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].end |
13237.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].text |
那麼究竟是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].start |
13237.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].end |
13239.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].text |
用醫療法裡面這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].start |
13239.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].end |
13241.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].text |
比較貼近的就是醫療機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].start |
13241.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].end |
13243.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].text |
電子病例製作及 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].start |
13243.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].end |
13245.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].text |
管理辦法來修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].start |
13245.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].end |
13247.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].text |
還是回到各自法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].start |
13247.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].end |
13249.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].text |
或資通法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].start |
13249.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].end |
13251.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].text |
資安法的授權法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].start |
13251.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].end |
13253.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].text |
來訂定 我們來研究一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].start |
13253.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].end |
13255.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].text |
法源上我們用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].start |
13255.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].end |
13257.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].text |
哪一個授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].start |
13257.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].end |
13259.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].text |
會比較合適 也對應後面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].start |
13259.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].end |
13261.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].text |
相對應的法則 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].start |
13261.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].end |
13263.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].text |
這個我們來研究一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].start |
13263.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].end |
13265.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].text |
朝這個方向來訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].start |
13265.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].end |
13267.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].text |
一個規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].start |
13267.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].end |
13269.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].text |
強化這個管理者的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].start |
13269.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].end |
13271.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].text |
我想這個是我們可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].start |
13271.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].end |
13273.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].text |
好 那就把部長建書來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].start |
13273.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].end |
13275.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].text |
那這邊還有一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].start |
13275.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].end |
13277.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].text |
沒有 之前還沒有討論到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].start |
13277.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].end |
13279.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].text |
就是診所的負責醫師與 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].start |
13279.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].end |
13281.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].text |
實質投資人的法律責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].start |
13281.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].end |
13283.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].text |
的界定跟承擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].start |
13283.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].end |
13285.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].text |
那現在的 我們的這個法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].start |
13285.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].end |
13287.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].text |
是否完備 因為我們也了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].start |
13287.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].end |
13289.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].text |
根據醫療法第十八條 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].start |
13289.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].end |
13291.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].text |
醫療機構應該要制負責醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].start |
13291.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].end |
13293.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].text |
一人 對其醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].start |
13293.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].end |
13295.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].text |
機構醫療業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].start |
13295.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].end |
13297.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].text |
這個督導的責任 那過去衛生署 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].start |
13297.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].end |
13299.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].text |
曾頒布一項函示 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].start |
13299.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].end |
13301.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].text |
指出私立醫療機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].start |
13301.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].end |
13303.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].text |
對外均由負責醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].start |
13303.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].end |
13305.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].text |
負擔法律上的相關責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].start |
13305.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].end |
13307.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].text |
負責醫師事後與合夥團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].start |
13307.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].end |
13309.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].text |
兼另有僱傭或委任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].start |
13309.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].end |
13311.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].text |
等其他民事關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].start |
13311.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].end |
13313.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].text |
均非醫療機構設立時 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].start |
13313.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].end |
13315.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].text |
衛生主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].start |
13315.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].end |
13317.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].text |
所需審查或介入的事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].start |
13317.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].end |
13319.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].text |
那現在現況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].start |
13319.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].end |
13321.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].text |
其實我們也了解很多的大型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].start |
13321.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].end |
13323.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].text |
診所的集團 實質的投資人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].start |
13323.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].end |
13325.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].text |
其實可能是都不具有醫師的身分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].start |
13325.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].end |
13327.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].text |
各分院診所 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].start |
13327.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].end |
13329.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].text |
各有負責的醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].start |
13329.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].end |
13331.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].text |
那麼依據近期 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].start |
13331.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].end |
13333.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].text |
這個部分診所安裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].start |
13333.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].end |
13335.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].text |
恐攝影的非法事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].start |
13335.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].end |
13337.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].text |
投資人與醫療機構負責人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].start |
13337.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].end |
13339.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].text |
過自法律這個責任如何來界定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].start |
13339.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].end |
13341.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].text |
那負責醫師根據 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].start |
13341.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].end |
13343.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].text |
知情依附以及參與的程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].start |
13343.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].end |
13345.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].text |
等相關調查過程跟後續 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].start |
13345.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].end |
13347.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].text |
的法律輸送過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].start |
13347.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].end |
13349.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].text |
相信都會慢慢會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].start |
13349.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].end |
13351.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].text |
有比較明確的釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].start |
13351.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].end |
13353.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].text |
依據這個醫療法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].start |
13353.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].end |
13355.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].text |
法律責任承擔相對會比較明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].start |
13355.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].end |
13357.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].text |
那請問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].start |
13357.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].end |
13359.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].text |
有關大型診所集團這一類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].start |
13359.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].end |
13361.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].text |
醫療機構 實質投資人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].start |
13361.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].end |
13363.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].text |
在相關法律責任的承擔層面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].start |
13363.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].end |
13365.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].text |
我們現況的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].start |
13365.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].end |
13367.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].text |
這個規範是夠的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].start |
13367.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].end |
13369.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].text |
確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].start |
13369.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].end |
13371.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].start |
13371.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].end |
13373.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].text |
目前在醫療機構的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].start |
13373.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].end |
13375.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].text |
那麼大概有法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].start |
13375.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].end |
13377.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].text |
附設 包含這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].start |
13377.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].end |
13379.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].text |
財團法人跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].start |
13379.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].end |
13381.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].text |
醫療社團法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].start |
13381.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].end |
13383.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].text |
另外一個就是公立機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].start |
13383.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].end |
13385.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].text |
另外一個就是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].start |
13385.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].end |
13387.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].text |
私人機構啦 那現在診所 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].start |
13387.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].end |
13389.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].text |
基本上還沒有法人形態 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].start |
13389.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].end |
13391.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].text |
主要都是以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].start |
13391.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].end |
13393.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].text |
私人診所 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].start |
13393.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].end |
13395.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].text |
也就是有所謂的負責醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].start |
13395.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].end |
13397.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].text |
來擔負 那確實在管理上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].start |
13397.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].end |
13399.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].text |
也出現這樣的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].start |
13399.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].end |
13401.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].text |
就是說即使他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].start |
13401.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].end |
13403.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].text |
出現了什麼問題 沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].start |
13403.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].end |
13405.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].text |
去問責到背後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].start |
13405.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].end |
13407.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].text |
的真正的擁有者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].start |
13407.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].end |
13409.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].text |
所以我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].start |
13409.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].end |
13411.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].text |
剛剛我也在跟市長討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].start |
13411.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].end |
13413.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].text |
我們來研究一下是不是要讓他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].start |
13413.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].end |
13415.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].text |
變成也是一個法人的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].start |
13415.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].end |
13417.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].text |
這樣比較能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].start |
13417.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].end |
13419.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].text |
對這個背後的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].start |
13419.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].end |
13421.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].text |
出資或管理者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].start |
13421.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].end |
13423.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].text |
具有約束力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].start |
13423.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].end |
13425.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].text |
所以納入 我們來研究一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].start |
13425.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].end |
13427.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].text |
我想法律就是需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].start |
13427.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].end |
13429.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].text |
與時俱進 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].start |
13429.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].end |
13431.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].text |
那也希望大家都應該承擔各自 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].start |
13431.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].end |
13433.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].text |
該有的法律責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].start |
13433.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].end |
13435.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].text |
所以最後其實就是把今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].start |
13435.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].end |
13437.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].text |
跟部長討論的落實三班護病比 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].start |
13437.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].end |
13439.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].text |
所需要的配套 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].start |
13439.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].end |
13441.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].text |
持續強化跟各國在公衛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].start |
13441.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].end |
13443.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].text |
聯繫的合作關係 強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].start |
13443.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].end |
13445.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].text |
漢娜病毒防疫措施以及最後訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].start |
13445.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].end |
13447.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].text |
這個監視錄影設備設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].start |
13447.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].end |
13449.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].text |
及資訊管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].start |
13449.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].end |
13451.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].text |
來保障國會人的就醫隱私權 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].start |
13451.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].end |
13453.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].text |
再麻煩部長跟部裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].start |
13453.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].end |
13455.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].text |
共同來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].start |
13455.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].end |
13457.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].text |
來給我們一些書面資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].start |
13457.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].end |
13459.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].text |
好 謝謝我們再提供詳細的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].start |
13459.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].end |
13461.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].start |
13461.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].end |
13463.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].text |
也謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].start |
13463.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].end |
13465.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].text |
謝謝大家的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].start |
13476.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].end |
13478.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].text |
下一位請盧憲義召委發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].start |
13479.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].end |
13481.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].text |
謝謝主席 由前部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].start |
13482.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].end |
13484.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].text |
來 由前部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].start |
13487.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].end |
13489.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].text |
盧召委好 部長辛苦了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].start |
13489.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].end |
13491.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].text |
那我們先 第一個先談到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].start |
13491.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].end |
13493.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].text |
三班護病比的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].start |
13493.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].end |
13495.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].text |
那我們就實質的一個層面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].start |
13495.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].end |
13497.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].text |
來看 很像三班護病比 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].start |
13497.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].end |
13499.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].text |
在Center比較沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].start |
13499.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].end |
13501.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].text |
比較沒有問題 我是說在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].start |
13501.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].end |
13503.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].text |
醫學中心比較沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].start |
13503.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].end |
13505.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].text |
現在很像看到比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].start |
13505.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].end |
13507.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].text |
棘手的問題 像把病患 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].start |
13507.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].end |
13509.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].text |
都積在急診室 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].start |
13509.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].end |
13511.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].text |
所以我想說你們這部分有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].start |
13511.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].end |
13513.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].text |
在研議它的配套措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].start |
13513.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].end |
13515.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].text |
跟委員說明確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].start |
13515.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].end |
13517.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].text |
我覺得觀察很正確 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].start |
13517.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].end |
13519.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].text |
就是目前達標的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].start |
13519.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].end |
13521.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].text |
大概是醫學中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].start |
13521.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].end |
13523.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].text |
雖然看起來社區醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].start |
13523.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].end |
13525.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].text |
的達標率很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].start |
13525.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].end |
13527.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].text |
但它實際上是因為關床的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].start |
13527.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].end |
13529.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].text |
才達到標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].start |
13529.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].end |
13531.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].text |
所以這個三班護病的實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].start |
13531.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].end |
13533.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].text |
對中小型醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].start |
13533.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].end |
13535.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].text |
特別是有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].start |
13535.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].end |
13537.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].text |
比較資源不足的偏鄉醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].start |
13537.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].end |
13539.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].text |
他們這個搶人的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].start |
13539.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].end |
13541.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].text |
也比較低 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].start |
13541.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].end |
13543.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].text |
這個醫學中心要羅制人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].start |
13543.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].end |
13545.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].text |
比較容易 但中小型醫院確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].start |
13545.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].end |
13547.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].text |
它的競爭力比較低 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].start |
13547.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].end |
13549.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].text |
在急診室的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].start |
13549.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].end |
13551.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].text |
是不是也要有一個護病比呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].start |
13552.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].end |
13554.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].text |
對啊 因為急診室等於 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].start |
13554.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].end |
13556.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].text |
全部的病人都積在急診 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].start |
13556.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].end |
13558.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].text |
然後把急診當作病床來使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].start |
13558.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].end |
13560.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].text |
就等於是關病房 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].start |
13560.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].end |
13562.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].text |
可是把急診室無限快大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].start |
13563.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].end |
13565.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].text |
這個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].start |
13565.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].end |
13567.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].text |
一個連鎖的效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].start |
13567.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].end |
13569.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].text |
當這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].start |
13569.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].end |
13571.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].text |
因為護病比關病床的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].start |
13571.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].end |
13573.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].text |
人就會積在急診 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].start |
13573.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].end |
13575.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].text |
那如果急診也用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].start |
13575.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].end |
13577.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].text |
護病比之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].start |
13577.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].end |
13579.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].text |
那人會在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].start |
13579.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].end |
13581.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].text |
病人的生命安危 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].start |
13581.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].end |
13583.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].text |
我們就很擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].start |
13583.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].end |
13585.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].text |
所以我們應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].start |
13585.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].end |
13587.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].text |
要讓各層級醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].start |
13587.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].end |
13589.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].text |
都有相當的量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].start |
13589.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].end |
13591.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].text |
而不是都集中在醫學中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].start |
13591.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].end |
13593.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].text |
所以才會關切到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].start |
13593.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].end |
13595.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].text |
我們要逐步的到位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].start |
13595.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].end |
13597.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].text |
讓這個體系都能夠發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].start |
13597.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].end |
13599.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].text |
不然這個對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].start |
13599.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].end |
13601.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].text |
民眾的就醫權益的衝擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].start |
13601.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].end |
13603.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].text |
會非常大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].start |
13603.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].end |
13605.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].text |
我們都知道一些 草原都認為是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].start |
13605.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].end |
13607.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].text |
護士是最辛苦的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].start |
13607.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].end |
13609.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].text |
因為他們不僅是有專業知識以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].start |
13609.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].end |
13611.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].text |
病人的翻身 餵食 沐浴 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].start |
13611.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].end |
13613.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].text |
或者是要更整 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].start |
13613.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].end |
13615.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].text |
我覺得這些真的是要時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].start |
13615.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].end |
13617.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].text |
跟勞力的一個付出 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].start |
13617.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].end |
13619.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].text |
那我們都知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].start |
13619.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].end |
13621.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].start |
13619.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].end |
13621.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].text |
難道只是一個薪水的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].start |
13621.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].end |
13623.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].text |
讓他們紛紛離開這個職場嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].start |
13623.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].end |
13625.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].text |
那我們當然除了薪水的問題以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].start |
13625.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].end |
13627.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].text |
是不是也要考慮到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].start |
13627.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].end |
13629.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].text |
霸凌的問題 因為我們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].start |
13629.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].end |
13631.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].text |
以前在當兵的時候 像學長學弟制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].start |
13631.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].end |
13633.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].text |
常常都是學長在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].start |
13633.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].end |
13635.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].text |
欺負學弟 大家都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].start |
13635.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].end |
13637.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].text |
然後現在到護理界 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].start |
13637.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].end |
13639.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].text |
我在想在霸凌的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].start |
13639.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].end |
13641.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].text |
層面 我看了一些資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].start |
13641.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].end |
13643.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].text |
可以發現說他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].start |
13643.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].end |
13645.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].text |
霸凌的一個比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].start |
13645.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].end |
13647.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].text |
像是32%到87% |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].start |
13647.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].end |
13649.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].text |
高達到64% |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].start |
13649.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].end |
13651.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].text |
無論是言語的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].start |
13651.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].end |
13653.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].text |
無論是同儕之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].start |
13653.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].end |
13655.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].text |
或者是醫護之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].start |
13655.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].end |
13657.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].text |
所以我覺得霸凌的這個現象 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].start |
13657.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].end |
13659.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].text |
如果沒有一個很好的申訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].start |
13659.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].end |
13661.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].text |
或者是改善的話 我相信這是他們離職 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].start |
13661.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].end |
13663.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].text |
很主要的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].start |
13663.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].end |
13665.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].text |
所以我想衛福部這邊是不是應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].start |
13665.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].end |
13667.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].text |
從霸凌這個部分也要去多所著墨 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].start |
13667.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].end |
13669.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].text |
那至於薪水的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].start |
13669.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].end |
13671.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].text |
常常我們都是用日本 韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].start |
13671.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].end |
13673.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].text |
新加坡來做比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].start |
13673.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].end |
13675.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].text |
那是不是我們有沒有一個可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].start |
13675.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].end |
13677.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].text |
我會盡量把這個差距縮短 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].start |
13677.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].end |
13679.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].text |
因為我們都知道說他們很辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].start |
13679.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].end |
13681.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].text |
可是卻不給他們一個相對的收入的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].start |
13681.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].end |
13683.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].text |
很像永遠只是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].start |
13683.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].end |
13685.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].text |
原木求而語啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].start |
13685.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].end |
13687.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].text |
希望真正能夠實質幫助到他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].start |
13687.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].end |
13689.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].text |
一個實際的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].start |
13689.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].end |
13691.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].text |
那希望部長你不能做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].start |
13691.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].end |
13693.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].text |
你現在的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].start |
13694.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].end |
13696.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].text |
告訴我們你現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].start |
13696.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].end |
13698.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].text |
我們所有護理師你的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].start |
13699.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].end |
13701.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].text |
好 跟委員說明那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].start |
13701.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].end |
13703.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].text |
霸凌這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].start |
13703.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].end |
13705.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].text |
因為我們在這個護理12項的改善策略裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].start |
13705.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].end |
13707.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].text |
也包含友善職場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].start |
13707.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].end |
13709.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].text |
那當然這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].start |
13709.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].end |
13711.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].text |
有些是因為這個過去的文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].start |
13711.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].end |
13713.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].text |
也好 或者是因為工作的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].start |
13713.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].end |
13715.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].text |
也好 有時候會有這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].start |
13715.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].end |
13717.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].text |
所以我們在成立的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].start |
13717.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].end |
13719.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].text |
部裡面有一個這個護理的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].start |
13719.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].end |
13721.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].text |
申訴通報平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].start |
13721.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].end |
13723.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].text |
那也有類似的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].start |
13723.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].end |
13725.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].text |
這個通報大概在5 6個% |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].start |
13725.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].end |
13727.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].text |
會有跟職場霸凌相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].start |
13727.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].end |
13729.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].text |
那我們也都會積極去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].start |
13729.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].end |
13731.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].text |
同時也辦理一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].start |
13731.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].end |
13733.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].text |
教育訓練課程來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].start |
13733.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].end |
13735.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].start |
13735.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].end |
13737.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].text |
舒緩像這樣的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].start |
13737.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].end |
13739.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].text |
的發生 這個我們會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].start |
13739.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].end |
13741.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].text |
繼續來做 我希望我不能夠正視這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].start |
13741.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].end |
13743.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].text |
接下來講到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].start |
13743.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].end |
13745.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].text |
這本我大概有大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].start |
13745.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].end |
13747.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].text |
翻了一下 那我想知道在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].start |
13747.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].end |
13749.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].text |
E-14頁這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].start |
13749.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].end |
13751.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].text |
有像簡略優化偏向 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].start |
13751.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].end |
13753.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].text |
醫療精進計畫第二期七億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].start |
13753.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].end |
13755.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].text |
的部分是簡略是什麼樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].start |
13755.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].end |
13757.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].text |
一個項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].start |
13758.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].end |
13760.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].text |
就 呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].start |
13759.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].end |
13761.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].text |
E |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].start |
13760.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].end |
13762.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].text |
P |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].start |
13762.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].end |
13764.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].text |
P |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].start |
13764.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].end |
13766.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].text |
P |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].start |
13766.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].end |
13768.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].text |
P |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].start |
13771.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].end |
13773.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].text |
應該 因為這個計畫本來裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].start |
13773.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].end |
13775.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].text |
還有包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].start |
13775.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].end |
13777.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].text |
那個口腔啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].start |
13777.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].end |
13779.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].text |
包含這個衛生所 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].start |
13779.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].end |
13781.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].text |
的這個設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].start |
13781.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].end |
13783.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].text |
的這個整建 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].start |
13783.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].end |
13785.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].text |
等等 它不是只有那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].start |
13785.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].end |
13787.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].text |
這個醫療的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].start |
13787.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].end |
13789.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].text |
它有其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].start |
13789.02 |
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13791.02 |
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的公共衛生還是之類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].start |
13791.02 |
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13793.02 |
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我們確認一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].start |
13793.02 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5405].text |
之後跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].start |
13795.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].end |
13797.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].text |
醫療對14月的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].start |
13797.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].end |
13799.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].text |
那個 到時候第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].start |
13799.02 |
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13801.02 |
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是說比前一年稍微減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].start |
13801.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].end |
13803.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].text |
對減少七億 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].start |
13803.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].end |
13805.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].text |
那我說偏向已經很辛苦了 要減少七億 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].start |
13808.16 |
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那個是沒有那麼多啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].start |
13810.16 |
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13812.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].start |
13812.16 |
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13814.16 |
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就是那個衛生所剛剛我提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].start |
13814.16 |
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13816.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].text |
我們這個計畫裡面包含有衛生所 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].start |
13816.16 |
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13818.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].text |
那個都是要地方有提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].start |
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13820.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].text |
然後我們再去實際 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].start |
13820.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].end |
13822.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].text |
編列 所以每年那個變動會比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].start |
13822.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].end |
13824.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].text |
大 因為如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].start |
13824.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].end |
13826.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].text |
已經整建完了就它一次性就結束了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].start |
13826.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].end |
13828.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].text |
它不是持續性計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].start |
13828.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].end |
13830.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].text |
所以那個部分會變動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].start |
13830.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].end |
13832.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].start |
13832.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].end |
13834.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].text |
1-57頁這邊我看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].start |
13834.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].end |
13836.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].text |
我們離島地區的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].start |
13836.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].end |
13838.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].text |
急症症轉整後送的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].start |
13838.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].end |
13840.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].text |
你們只有針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].start |
13840.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].end |
13842.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].text |
金門 連江跟澎湖 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].start |
13842.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].end |
13844.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].text |
可是我們卻沒有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].start |
13844.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].end |
13846.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].text |
蘭嶼 我覺得蘭嶼是屬於離島 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].start |
13846.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].end |
13848.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].text |
所以我想說是不是離島 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].start |
13848.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].end |
13850.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].text |
是另外算嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].start |
13850.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].end |
13852.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].text |
不是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].start |
13852.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].end |
13854.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].text |
這三個住地 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].start |
13854.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].end |
13856.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].text |
住地的話是住地 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].start |
13856.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].end |
13858.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].text |
所以只有三個大離島 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].start |
13858.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].end |
13860.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].text |
有住地 那麼蘭嶼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].start |
13860.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].end |
13862.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].text |
綠島它是由我們空勤總隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].start |
13862.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].end |
13864.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].text |
去後送 所以就沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].start |
13864.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].end |
13866.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].text |
特別編列預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].start |
13866.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].end |
13868.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].text |
那就是我的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].start |
13868.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].end |
13870.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].text |
最後就是針對偏向的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].start |
13870.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].end |
13872.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].text |
跟部長來請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].start |
13872.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].end |
13874.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].text |
就是其實我們也知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].start |
13874.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].end |
13876.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].text |
我們在原住民地區我們都很希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].start |
13876.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].end |
13878.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].text |
能夠跟平定 當然是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].start |
13878.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].end |
13880.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].text |
要走的路 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].start |
13880.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].end |
13882.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].text |
還很長 那就 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].start |
13882.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].end |
13884.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].text |
一個實際的案例說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].start |
13884.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].end |
13886.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].text |
一個部落的青年他跌倒骨折 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].start |
13886.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].end |
13888.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].text |
為了要處理這個傷勢他可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].start |
13888.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].end |
13890.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].text |
先後轉好幾次醫院 先從 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].start |
13890.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].end |
13892.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].text |
第七醫院到七醫院然後再轉到更高級的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].start |
13892.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].end |
13894.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].text |
比如說醫學中心好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].start |
13894.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].end |
13896.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].text |
可是在都會的民眾他沒有辦法去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].start |
13896.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].end |
13898.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].text |
想像這些他要遇到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].start |
13898.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].end |
13900.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].text |
這些問題 我想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].start |
13900.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].end |
13902.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].text |
原生拼相在分級醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].start |
13902.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].end |
13904.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].text |
急重症後送 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].start |
13904.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].end |
13906.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].text |
資源 我覺得是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].start |
13906.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].end |
13908.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].text |
很清楚的一個整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].start |
13908.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].end |
13910.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].text |
機制 因為會讓很多病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].start |
13910.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].end |
13912.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].text |
家屬都不知道他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].start |
13912.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].end |
13914.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].text |
應該往哪裡去尋求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].start |
13914.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].end |
13916.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].text |
幫忙 然後現在ids |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].start |
13916.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].end |
13918.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].text |
也要升級到全人整合照護 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].start |
13918.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].end |
13920.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].text |
那之前是用秀琳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].start |
13920.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].end |
13922.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].text |
的一個經驗 希望能夠推到全國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].start |
13922.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].end |
13924.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].text |
幾個地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].start |
13924.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].end |
13926.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].text |
希望能夠擴到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].start |
13926.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].end |
13928.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].text |
卓西 豐濱 台東 海段 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].start |
13928.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].end |
13930.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].text |
這些 那我們希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].start |
13930.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].end |
13932.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].text |
是不是把這套模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].start |
13932.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].end |
13934.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].text |
制度化標準化指標化 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].start |
13934.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].end |
13936.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].text |
以後呢 是不是有其他原箱 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].start |
13936.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].end |
13938.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].text |
可以能夠複製 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].start |
13938.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].end |
13940.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].text |
那我想說這個複製的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].start |
13940.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].end |
13942.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].text |
經驗是不是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].start |
13942.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].end |
13944.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].text |
把 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].start |
13945.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].end |
13947.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].text |
地圖裡面是不是 比如說有衛生所 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].start |
13947.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].end |
13949.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].text |
哪裡缺醫師 哪裡缺 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].start |
13949.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].end |
13951.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].text |
護健 那癌症 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].start |
13951.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].end |
13953.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].text |
異常篩檢到哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].start |
13953.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].end |
13955.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].text |
去追 這些長照出院者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].start |
13955.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].end |
13957.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].text |
怎麼去接受長照 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].start |
13957.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].end |
13959.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].text |
急重症怎麼來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].start |
13959.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].end |
13961.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].text |
後送 我覺得這是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].start |
13961.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].end |
13963.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].text |
要我們把 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].start |
13963.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].end |
13965.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].text |
偏鄉地區去落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].start |
13965.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].end |
13967.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].text |
照顧的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].start |
13967.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].end |
13969.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].text |
很清楚的一個地圖 因為我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].start |
13969.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].end |
13971.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].text |
常常族人會搞不太清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].start |
13971.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].end |
13973.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].text |
這些所有的 其實因果 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].start |
13973.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].end |
13975.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].text |
關係 所以我希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].start |
13975.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].end |
13977.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].text |
有個更清楚的脈絡讓族人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].start |
13977.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].end |
13979.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].text |
可以去因應啦 所以我想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].start |
13979.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].end |
13981.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].text |
這邊具體來要求這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].start |
13981.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].end |
13983.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].text |
能不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].start |
13983.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].end |
13985.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].text |
在近期內推出全國與偏鄉 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].start |
13985.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].end |
13987.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].text |
原鄉的一個全能照護的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].start |
13987.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].end |
13989.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].text |
資源盤點地圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].start |
13989.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].end |
13991.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].text |
我講的剛剛包 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].start |
13991.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].end |
13993.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].text |
醫療院所 衛生所 遠距 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].start |
13993.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].end |
13995.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].text |
癌症篩檢 長照ABC |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].start |
13995.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].end |
13997.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].text |
文件站 居家醫療 護健 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].start |
13997.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].end |
13999.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].text |
支援等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].start |
13999.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].end |
14001.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].text |
第二個就是原鄉能不能建立 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].start |
14001.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].end |
14003.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].text |
出院後30天的銜接指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].start |
14003.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].end |
14005.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].text |
人類管病人出院後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].start |
14005.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].end |
14007.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].text |
是否成功 接上居家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].start |
14007.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].end |
14009.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].text |
醫療 長照服務 護健 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].start |
14009.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].end |
14011.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].text |
輔具 交通接送 跟家庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].start |
14011.38 |
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14013.38 |
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照顧者的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].start |
14013.38 |
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14015.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].text |
第三個就是請健保署能夠針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].start |
14015.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].end |
14017.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].text |
IDS全能整合照護 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].start |
14017.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].end |
14019.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].text |
提出標準化的推動項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].start |
14019.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].end |
14021.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].text |
包括加護健康地圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].start |
14021.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].end |
14023.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].text |
高風險名冊 30 90 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].start |
14023.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].end |
14025.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].text |
180天的追蹤機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].start |
14025.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].end |
14027.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].text |
跨團隊的個案會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].start |
14027.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].end |
14029.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].text |
文件站合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].start |
14029.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].end |
14031.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].text |
篩檢跟BI成效的儀表板 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].start |
14031.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].end |
14033.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].text |
最後就是衛福部提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].start |
14033.38 |
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14035.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].text |
秀麟鄉模式擴散到其他原鄉的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].start |
14035.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].end |
14037.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].text |
年度時程跟成效指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].start |
14037.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].end |
14039.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].text |
讓我們能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].start |
14039.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].end |
14041.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].text |
享受到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].start |
14041.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].end |
14043.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].text |
我們衛福部近年來對原鄉的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].start |
14043.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].end |
14045.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].text |
這些努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].start |
14045.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].end |
14047.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].text |
好 很謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].start |
14047.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].end |
14049.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].text |
委員者提議 我覺得都相當 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].start |
14049.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].end |
14051.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].text |
具有可行性 那第一個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].start |
14051.38 |
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14053.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].text |
當然我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].start |
14053.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].end |
14055.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].text |
健保的快易通上面都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].start |
14055.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].end |
14057.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].text |
這個就醫的地圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].start |
14057.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].end |
14059.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].text |
不過我們來針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].start |
14059.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].end |
14061.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].text |
這個原鄉的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].start |
14061.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].end |
14063.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].text |
做更精細版 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].start |
14063.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].end |
14065.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].text |
所以這個原鄉的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].start |
14065.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].end |
14067.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].text |
資源地圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].start |
14067.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].end |
14069.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].text |
包含像衛生所 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].start |
14069.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].end |
14071.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].text |
ICY 因為我們一般的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].start |
14071.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].end |
14073.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].text |
APP是沒有特別去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].start |
14073.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].end |
14075.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].text |
強調這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].start |
14075.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].end |
14077.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].text |
包含我們可能IDS的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].start |
14077.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].end |
14079.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].text |
特別的站或者是文件站 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].start |
14079.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].end |
14081.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].text |
這個平常是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].start |
14081.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].end |
14083.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].text |
健保的資源地圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].start |
14083.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].end |
14085.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].text |
是沒有的 所以我們專門 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].start |
14085.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].end |
14087.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].text |
為這個原鄉 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].start |
14087.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].end |
14089.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].text |
先來建這個資源地圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].start |
14089.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].end |
14091.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].text |
所以我想今年我們就把 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].start |
14091.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].end |
14093.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].text |
這個納進去 至於 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].start |
14093.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].end |
14095.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].text |
轉型服務就是我們的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].start |
14095.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].end |
14097.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].text |
這個長照的部分我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].start |
14097.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].end |
14099.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].text |
本來就在做 至於第三個跟第四個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].start |
14099.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].end |
14101.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].text |
IDS跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].start |
14101.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].end |
14103.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].text |
秀林鄉的模式因為今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].start |
14103.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].end |
14105.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].text |
也擴大到八個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].start |
14105.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].end |
14107.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].text |
八個縣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].start |
14107.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].end |
14109.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].text |
那麼十四個鄉鎮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].start |
14109.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].end |
14111.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].text |
所以我們把 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].start |
14111.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].end |
14113.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].text |
這個擴準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].start |
14113.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].end |
14115.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].text |
現在怎麼往前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].start |
14115.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].end |
14117.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].text |
推 目前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].start |
14117.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].end |
14119.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].text |
狀況跟往前推 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].start |
14119.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].end |
14121.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].text |
的一個規劃 我們來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].start |
14121.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].end |
14123.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].text |
做一個整理 再提供給委員參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].start |
14123.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].end |
14125.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].text |
謝謝部長 辛苦了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].start |
14125.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].end |
14127.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].start |
14127.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].end |
14129.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].text |
謝謝盧教委的發言 也謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].start |
14129.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].end |
14131.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].text |
部長的答詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].start |
14132.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].end |
14134.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].start |
14137.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].end |
14139.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].text |
繼續請黃秀芳委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].start |
14146.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].end |
14148.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].text |
謝謝主席 我們請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].start |
14148.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].end |
14150.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].text |
請周良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].start |
14153.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].end |
14155.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].text |
黃委員好 部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].start |
14155.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].end |
14157.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].text |
部長 我今天想要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].start |
14157.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].end |
14159.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].text |
就是有關我們疫苗政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].start |
14159.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].end |
14161.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].text |
那我看到就是說我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].start |
14161.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].end |
14163.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].text |
這個兒童的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].start |
14163.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].end |
14165.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].text |
這個疫苗的接種 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].start |
14165.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].end |
14167.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].text |
其實從出生 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].start |
14167.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].end |
14169.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].text |
然後可能到小學都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].start |
14169.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].end |
14171.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].text |
這個手冊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].start |
14171.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].end |
14173.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].text |
就是記錄說小朋友他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].start |
14173.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].end |
14175.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].text |
打了什麼疫苗嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].start |
14175.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].end |
14177.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].text |
那我看到就是說我們成人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].start |
14177.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].end |
14179.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].text |
的 或者是六十五歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].start |
14179.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].end |
14181.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].text |
以上的這個長者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].start |
14181.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].end |
14183.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].text |
他打這個流感疫苗 其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].start |
14183.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].end |
14185.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].text |
我看到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].start |
14185.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].end |
14187.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].text |
打流感疫苗的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].start |
14187.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].end |
14189.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].text |
接種的這個比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].start |
14189.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].end |
14191.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].text |
好像也不是很高 差不多每一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].start |
14191.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].end |
14193.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].text |
平均差不多百分之五十左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].start |
14193.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].end |
14195.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].text |
那像這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].start |
14195.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].end |
14197.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].text |
部長這邊是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].start |
14197.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].end |
14199.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].text |
有想要去推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].start |
14199.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].end |
14201.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].text |
讓這些長者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].start |
14201.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].end |
14203.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].text |
他可以這個很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].start |
14203.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].end |
14205.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].text |
或者是他如果就醫的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].start |
14205.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].end |
14207.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].text |
醫師就可以看到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].start |
14207.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].end |
14209.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].text |
他今年到底有沒有打這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].start |
14209.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].end |
14211.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].text |
流感疫苗或打其他的疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].start |
14211.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].end |
14213.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].text |
那可以就是透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].start |
14213.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].end |
14215.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].text |
他也許去醫院就醫的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].start |
14215.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].end |
14217.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].text |
醫師可以再提醒他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].start |
14217.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].end |
14219.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].text |
是不是就去打這個流感 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].start |
14219.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].end |
14221.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].text |
疫苗或其他的疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].start |
14221.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].end |
14223.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].text |
是不是衛福部未來會這樣推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].start |
14223.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].end |
14225.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].text |
跟委員說明其實我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].start |
14225.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].end |
14227.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].text |
已經在這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].start |
14227.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].end |
14229.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].text |
那當然各醫院的HIS系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].start |
14229.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].end |
14231.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].text |
他們會自己去做提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].start |
14231.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].end |
14233.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].text |
但是我們在健保裡面有個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].start |
14233.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].end |
14235.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].text |
大家醫平台 那個大家醫平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].start |
14235.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].end |
14237.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].text |
現在就已經會主動提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].start |
14237.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].end |
14239.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].text |
他有哪一些公費篩檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].start |
14239.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].end |
14241.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].text |
公費疫苗 多久做一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].start |
14241.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].end |
14243.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].text |
這個都會主動提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].start |
14243.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].end |
14245.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].text |
只不過目前這個大家醫平台 |
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只限於在家庭醫師計畫的會員 |
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14251.97 |
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那如何把它擴大到 |
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讓所有的診所 |
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只要一就醫都能提醒 |
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我來請健保研議把這個擴大 |
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目前他只針對 |
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參加嘉義的會員 |
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有這個提醒 |
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14265.97 |
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那看看未來怎麼把這個提醒 |
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14267.97 |
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擴大到所有的這個在 |
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14269.97 |
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因為畢竟在診所就醫比較多 |
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所以從那個地方來做 |
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那另外在醫院的部分 |
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14273.97 |
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14275.97 |
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我們也一併來要求醫院 |
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14275.97 |
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14277.97 |
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也把這個提醒的 |
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把它做進來 |
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所以這個我覺得 |
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14281.97 |
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14283.97 |
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這個是我們應該要做的 |
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14283.97 |
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14285.97 |
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我希望這個 |
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14287.97 |
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我覺得應該不會太困難吧 |
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14287.97 |
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14289.97 |
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因為所有你不論是到診所 |
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14289.97 |
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到醫院 |
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14291.97 |
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14293.97 |
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你有接你有打這個疫苗的話 |
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14293.97 |
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14295.97 |
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其實就把它註記一下 |
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14297.97 |
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然後也提醒 |
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14297.97 |
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14299.97 |
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他自己或者是醫師看到之後 |
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14301.97 |
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譬如說你們10月份開始 |
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14301.97 |
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14303.97 |
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鼓勵長者要打流感疫苗 |
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14303.97 |
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14305.97 |
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那醫師如果看到的話 |
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14305.97 |
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14307.97 |
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他還沒有打這個流感疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].start |
14307.97 |
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14309.97 |
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就可以鼓勵他去打 |
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14309.97 |
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14311.97 |
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長者打那個流感 |
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14311.97 |
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14313.97 |
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是在我們的那個大家醫計畫 |
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14313.97 |
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14315.97 |
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還有那個全人整個照護計畫裡面的KPI |
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14315.97 |
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14317.97 |
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只是怎麼把那個 |
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14317.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].end |
14319.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].text |
沒有納入這個大家醫計畫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].start |
14319.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].end |
14321.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].text |
也來推基層的部分 |
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14321.97 |
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14323.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].text |
這個我們來更努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].start |
14323.97 |
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14325.97 |
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好這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].start |
14325.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].end |
14327.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].text |
部長我想請教另外一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].start |
14327.97 |
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14329.97 |
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就是我們在看預算的時候 |
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14329.97 |
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14331.97 |
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那我看到預算 |
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14331.97 |
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14333.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].text |
我覺得一個蠻奇怪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].start |
14333.97 |
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14335.97 |
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就是說你們去年 |
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14335.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].end |
14337.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].text |
送出來的這個預算書 |
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14337.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].end |
14339.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].text |
有標準的這個疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].start |
14339.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].end |
14341.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].text |
那也有加強型的疫苗 |
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14341.97 |
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14343.97 |
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那總共加起來是7.5% |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].start |
14343.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].end |
14345.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].text |
那這個預算書 |
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14345.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].end |
14347.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].text |
有一個預算書 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].start |
14347.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].end |
14349.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].text |
那總共加起來是700萬劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].start |
14349.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].end |
14351.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].text |
那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].start |
14351.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].end |
14353.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].text |
一般型的這個疫苗當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].start |
14353.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].end |
14355.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].text |
就是去年你們送出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].start |
14355.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].end |
14357.97 |
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這個就是原本 |
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14357.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].end |
14359.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].text |
採購標準型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].start |
14359.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].end |
14361.97 |
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可能就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].start |
14361.97 |
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14363.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].text |
335萬劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].start |
14363.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].end |
14365.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].text |
那加強型的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].start |
14365.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].end |
14367.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].text |
這個要採購365萬劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].start |
14367.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].end |
14369.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].text |
那加起來就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].start |
14369.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].end |
14371.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].text |
總共是700萬劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].start |
14371.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].end |
14373.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].text |
那到最後我看到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].start |
14373.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].end |
14375.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].text |
你們到最後是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].start |
14375.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].end |
14377.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].text |
這個加強型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].start |
14377.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].end |
14379.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].text |
剩下20萬劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].start |
14379.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].end |
14381.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].text |
那一般的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].start |
14381.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].end |
14383.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].start |
14383.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].end |
14385.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].text |
一般型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].start |
14385.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].end |
14387.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].text |
就差不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].start |
14387.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].end |
14389.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].text |
差不多是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].start |
14389.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].end |
14391.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].text |
684萬劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].start |
14391.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].end |
14393.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].start |
14393.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].end |
14395.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].text |
跟你們原本去年送出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].start |
14395.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].end |
14397.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].text |
那個預算你們原本要採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].start |
14397.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].end |
14399.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].text |
是完全不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].start |
14399.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].end |
14401.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].text |
那既然知道就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].start |
14401.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].end |
14403.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].text |
這個加強型的這個疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].start |
14403.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].end |
14405.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].text |
對長輩來講是比較好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].start |
14405.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].end |
14407.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].text |
然後他的保護力也比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].start |
14407.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].end |
14409.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].text |
那標準型的這個流感疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].start |
14409.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].end |
14411.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].text |
他的這個保護力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].start |
14411.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].end |
14413.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].text |
聽說是只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].start |
14413.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].end |
14415.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].text |
百分之三十幾 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].start |
14415.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].end |
14417.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].text |
保護力是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].start |
14417.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].end |
14419.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].text |
只有百分之三十幾 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].start |
14419.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].end |
14421.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].text |
那既然知道是這個加強型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].start |
14421.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].end |
14423.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].text |
保護力是比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].start |
14423.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].end |
14425.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].text |
那我們每一年看到得到重症的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].start |
14425.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].end |
14427.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].text |
這個因為流感 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].start |
14427.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].end |
14429.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].text |
然後得到重症的長輩 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].start |
14429.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].end |
14431.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].text |
真的都是65歲以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].start |
14431.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].end |
14433.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].text |
會比較嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].start |
14433.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].end |
14435.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].text |
所以如果是真的這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].start |
14435.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].end |
14437.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].text |
那為什麼到最後你們採購的這個疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].start |
14437.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].end |
14439.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].text |
是跟原本去年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].start |
14439.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].end |
14441.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].text |
送出來的這個預算是完全不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].start |
14441.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].end |
14443.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].text |
跟委員說明也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].start |
14443.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].end |
14445.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].text |
這個說來說去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].start |
14445.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].end |
14447.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].text |
還是資源的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].start |
14447.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].end |
14449.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].text |
就是到底我們有多少資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].start |
14449.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].end |
14451.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].text |
能夠做多少事情還要考慮到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].start |
14451.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].end |
14453.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].text |
成本效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].start |
14453.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].end |
14455.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].text |
所以確實在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].start |
14455.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].end |
14457.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].text |
這個加強型疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].start |
14457.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].end |
14459.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].text |
對一些脆弱族群可以降低重症 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].start |
14459.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].end |
14461.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].text |
跟住院率死亡率是沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].start |
14461.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].end |
14463.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].start |
14463.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].end |
14465.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].text |
如果能夠打更多的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].start |
14465.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].end |
14467.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].text |
更多的人打 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].start |
14467.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].end |
14469.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].text |
也要一併考慮 |
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14469.91 |
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所以說實際上是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].start |
14471.91 |
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14473.91 |
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逐步增加啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].start |
14473.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].end |
14475.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].text |
所以這前面今年會採購20萬劑的加強型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].start |
14475.91 |
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14477.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].text |
會先針對機構的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].start |
14477.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].end |
14479.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].text |
這個落差很多啊很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].start |
14479.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].end |
14481.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].text |
你去年送出來的預算是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].start |
14481.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].end |
14483.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].text |
比一般型的還多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].start |
14483.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].end |
14485.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].text |
然後你竟然是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].start |
14485.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].end |
14487.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].text |
跟委員說明喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].start |
14487.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].end |
14489.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].text |
這兩種疫苗的價格也差很多啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].start |
14489.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].end |
14491.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].text |
所以我們那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].start |
14491.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].end |
14493.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].text |
價格的差異非常大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].start |
14493.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].end |
14495.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].text |
所以我們先從這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].start |
14495.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].end |
14497.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].text |
機構的長者先開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].start |
14497.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].end |
14499.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].text |
然後再慢慢擴大到明年我們會再增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].start |
14499.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].end |
14501.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].text |
到這個重大傷病的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].start |
14501.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].end |
14503.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].text |
長者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].start |
14503.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].end |
14505.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].text |
我想請教就是說每一年會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].start |
14505.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].end |
14507.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].text |
打這個流感疫苗的這個長者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].start |
14507.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].end |
14509.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].text |
也差不多一半 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].start |
14509.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].end |
14511.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].text |
65歲差不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].start |
14511.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].end |
14513.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].text |
480萬人嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].start |
14513.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].end |
14515.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].text |
那這個也大約只有一半 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].start |
14515.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].end |
14517.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].text |
差不多240萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].start |
14517.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].end |
14519.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].text |
會去打這個流感疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].start |
14519.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].end |
14521.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].text |
那如果按照這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].start |
14521.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].end |
14523.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].text |
其實我覺得既然加強型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].start |
14523.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].end |
14525.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].text |
這個疫苗他的保護力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].start |
14525.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].end |
14527.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].text |
更好那其實為什麼不去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].start |
14527.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].end |
14529.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].text |
考慮一下而且既然你們去年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].start |
14529.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].end |
14531.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].text |
在預算書上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].start |
14531.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].end |
14533.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].text |
也有這樣的一個編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].start |
14533.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].end |
14535.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].start |
14535.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].end |
14537.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].text |
還是回到醫院啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].start |
14537.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].end |
14539.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].text |
就是說打加強型跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].start |
14539.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].end |
14541.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].text |
非加強型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].start |
14541.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].end |
14543.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].text |
會不會因為打了加強型長者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].start |
14543.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].end |
14545.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].text |
的施打意願會更高 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].start |
14545.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].end |
14547.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].text |
這個我們要調查啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].start |
14547.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].end |
14549.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].text |
但是從我們這個這幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].start |
14549.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].end |
14551.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].text |
買的疫苗幾乎都打完啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].start |
14551.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].end |
14553.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].text |
沒有剩的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].start |
14553.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].end |
14555.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].text |
當然啦我現在的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].start |
14555.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].end |
14557.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].text |
是說65歲以上的長者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].start |
14557.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].end |
14559.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].text |
既然你們知道說這個保護力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].start |
14559.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].end |
14561.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].text |
是比較好的那你們去年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].start |
14561.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].end |
14563.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].text |
這個預算書上面也有這樣的一個編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].start |
14563.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].end |
14565.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].text |
那是不是就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].start |
14565.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].end |
14567.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].text |
我看到就是說你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].start |
14567.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].end |
14569.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].text |
這個今年呢是只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].start |
14569.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].end |
14571.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].text |
採購20萬劑嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].start |
14571.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].end |
14573.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].text |
這個落差真的很大耶你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].start |
14573.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].end |
14575.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].text |
去年編是編 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].start |
14575.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].end |
14577.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].text |
預計是要採購365萬劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].start |
14577.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].end |
14579.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].start |
14579.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].end |
14581.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].text |
差好幾倍耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].start |
14581.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].end |
14583.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].text |
如果說有醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].start |
14583.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].end |
14585.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].text |
有醫院打這個流感疫苗的長者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].start |
14585.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].end |
14587.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].text |
其實他也不會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].start |
14587.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].end |
14589.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].text |
只要有糖煮他就可以煮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].start |
14589.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].end |
14591.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].text |
不會因為就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].start |
14591.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].end |
14593.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].text |
當然如果加強那個保護力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].start |
14593.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].end |
14595.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].text |
更好的話我覺得他的意願應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].start |
14595.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].end |
14597.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].text |
也會更高啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].start |
14597.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].end |
14599.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].text |
所以而且你也要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].start |
14599.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].end |
14601.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].text |
考慮到後面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].start |
14601.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].end |
14603.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].text |
如果他得到重症的話其實我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].start |
14603.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].end |
14605.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].text |
健保的這個支出也許會更大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].start |
14605.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].end |
14607.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].text |
所以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].start |
14607.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].end |
14609.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].text |
部長我是想要再提醒一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].start |
14609.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].end |
14611.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].text |
就是說為什麼落差這麼大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].start |
14611.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].end |
14613.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].text |
那你剛剛講的可能是因為會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].start |
14613.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].end |
14615.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].text |
其他的疫苗可能會受到排擠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].start |
14615.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].end |
14617.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].text |
那是什麼樣的疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].start |
14617.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].end |
14619.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].text |
會受到排擠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].start |
14619.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].end |
14621.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].text |
會來多爭取一些預算啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].start |
14621.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].end |
14623.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].text |
因為這個都還是資源的問題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].start |
14623.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].end |
14625.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].start |
14625.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].end |
14627.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].text |
當然另一方面這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].start |
14627.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].end |
14629.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].text |
也得從這個成本效益去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].start |
14629.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].end |
14631.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].text |
評估到底什麼樣的人打 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].start |
14631.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].end |
14633.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].text |
會比較有效益這個我們都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].start |
14633.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].end |
14635.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].text |
一併考量進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].start |
14635.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].end |
14637.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].text |
那你們應該也是會覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].start |
14637.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].end |
14639.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].text |
65歲以上的長者打 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].start |
14639.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].end |
14641.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].text |
他的效益會更高嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].start |
14641.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].end |
14643.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].text |
對不對就是說他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].start |
14643.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].end |
14645.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].text |
如果以成本效益來講當然是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].start |
14645.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].end |
14647.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].text |
以65歲裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].start |
14647.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].end |
14649.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].text |
高風險群又會更高 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].start |
14649.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].end |
14651.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].text |
這個當然你打越多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].start |
14651.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].end |
14653.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].text |
成本效益就會下降啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].start |
14653.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].end |
14655.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].text |
越target那個成本效益就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].start |
14655.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].end |
14657.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].text |
很高因為成本少嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].start |
14657.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].end |
14659.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].text |
保護剛好都是你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].start |
14659.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].end |
14661.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].text |
目標族群所以就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].start |
14661.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].end |
14663.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].text |
我們會去平衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].start |
14663.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].end |
14665.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].text |
所以你到最後是因為那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].start |
14665.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].end |
14667.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].text |
預算的關係嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].start |
14667.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].end |
14669.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].text |
對預算當然是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].start |
14669.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].end |
14671.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].text |
重要的考量可是你去年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].start |
14671.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].end |
14673.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].text |
送出來的時候你沒有考慮到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].start |
14673.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].end |
14675.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].text |
這個預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].start |
14676.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].end |
14678.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].text |
因為你去年9月份送到立法院的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].start |
14678.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].end |
14680.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].text |
需要打那個700萬劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].start |
14680.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].end |
14682.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].text |
因為今年是打算打700萬劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].start |
14682.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].end |
14684.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].start |
14684.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].end |
14686.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].text |
其實原本的疫苗的價格 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].start |
14686.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].end |
14688.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].text |
也是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].start |
14688.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].end |
14690.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].text |
你去年就編的出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].start |
14690.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].end |
14692.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].text |
那為什麼今年會落差這麼大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].start |
14692.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].end |
14694.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].text |
這個是我疑問的一個地方啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].start |
14695.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].end |
14697.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].text |
我們是編在支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].start |
14697.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].end |
14699.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].text |
但是我們的收入要從公務預算來撥補 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].start |
14699.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].end |
14701.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].text |
所以那時候公務預算撥補 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].start |
14701.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].end |
14703.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].text |
最後合下來的是增加疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].start |
14703.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].end |
14705.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].text |
接種處置費還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].start |
14705.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].end |
14707.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].text |
我們後來也有爭取這個兒童 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].start |
14707.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].end |
14709.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].text |
輪裝病毒疫苗所以明年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].start |
14709.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].end |
14711.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].text |
會先從兒童輪裝病毒疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].start |
14711.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].end |
14713.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].text |
這邊開始啦因為兒童疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].start |
14713.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].end |
14715.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].text |
已經10年沒有新增品項了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].start |
14715.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].end |
14717.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].text |
成人這邊人數當然很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].start |
14717.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].end |
14719.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].text |
所以價格的關係會波動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].start |
14719.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].end |
14721.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].text |
一下就會影響到整個預算的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].start |
14721.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].end |
14723.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].text |
規模所以我們後續會逐步 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].start |
14723.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].end |
14725.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].text |
來擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].start |
14725.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].end |
14727.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].text |
那當然就是因為可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].start |
14727.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].end |
14729.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].text |
預算可能要增加其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].start |
14729.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].end |
14731.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].text |
這個疫苗所以這個會受到一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].start |
14731.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].end |
14733.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].text |
排擠嘛所以我 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].start |
14733.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].end |
14735.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].text |
是看到這個預算我就覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].start |
14735.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].end |
14737.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].text |
我很不解的是原本編了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].start |
14737.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].end |
14739.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].text |
你們加強型的編的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].start |
14739.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].end |
14741.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].text |
這個疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].start |
14741.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].end |
14743.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].text |
是比一般 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].start |
14743.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].end |
14745.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].text |
比標準型的還要多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].start |
14745.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].end |
14747.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].text |
結果到最後是差落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].start |
14747.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].end |
14749.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].text |
這麼大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].start |
14749.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].end |
14751.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].text |
標準型是685萬劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].start |
14751.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].end |
14753.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].text |
然後這個剩下20萬劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].start |
14753.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].end |
14755.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].text |
我覺得這個真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].start |
14755.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].end |
14757.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].text |
這個落差很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].start |
14757.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].end |
14759.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].text |
而且如果既然知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].start |
14759.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].end |
14761.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].text |
他的保護力是好的話其實我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].start |
14761.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].end |
14763.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].text |
你應該你現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].start |
14763.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].end |
14765.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].text |
20萬劑只能在機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].start |
14765.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].end |
14767.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].text |
20萬劑只能在機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].start |
14767.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].end |
14769.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].text |
就是機構的這些長輩 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].start |
14769.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].end |
14771.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].text |
可以施打那剛剛部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].start |
14771.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].end |
14773.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].text |
你說的如果在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].start |
14773.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].end |
14775.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].text |
65歲以上的這些長者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].start |
14775.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].end |
14777.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].text |
然後他也是高風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].start |
14777.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].end |
14779.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].text |
不只是在機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].start |
14779.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].end |
14781.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].text |
他也需要這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].start |
14781.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].end |
14783.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].text |
加強型的這種疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].start |
14783.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].end |
14785.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].text |
所以我覺得部長針對這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].start |
14785.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].end |
14787.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].text |
應該還要再去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].start |
14787.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].end |
14789.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].text |
還要再去思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].start |
14789.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].end |
14791.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].text |
既然你在去年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].start |
14791.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].end |
14793.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].text |
你就已經編得出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].start |
14793.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].end |
14795.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].text |
這個預算編得出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].start |
14795.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].end |
14797.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].text |
那就表示你們有精算過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].start |
14797.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].end |
14799.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].text |
那如果是這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].start |
14799.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].end |
14801.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].text |
我覺得應該要去好好的思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].start |
14801.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].end |
14803.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].text |
針對不只是機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].start |
14803.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].end |
14805.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].text |
不只是機構針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].start |
14805.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].end |
14807.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].text |
一般高風險的這些長者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].start |
14807.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].end |
14809.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].text |
我覺得應該都是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].start |
14809.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].end |
14811.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].text |
把這個風險考慮進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].start |
14811.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].end |
14813.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].text |
然後讓這些長者也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].start |
14813.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].end |
14815.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].text |
施打到這種加強型的疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].start |
14815.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].end |
14817.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].text |
好我們會逐年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].start |
14817.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].end |
14819.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].text |
爭取增加預算來施打 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].start |
14819.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].end |
14821.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].text |
對那你去年不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].start |
14821.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].end |
14823.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].text |
已經編得出來為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].start |
14824.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].end |
14826.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].text |
就是今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].start |
14826.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].end |
14828.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].text |
今年的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].start |
14828.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].end |
14830.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].text |
去年編的是今年的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].start |
14830.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].end |
14832.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].text |
今年的預算就 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].start |
14832.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].end |
14834.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].text |
因為要打700萬劑差不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].start |
14834.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].end |
14836.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].text |
預算就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].start |
14835.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].end |
14837.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].text |
那你去年就編得出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].start |
14837.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].end |
14839.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].text |
怎麼會差不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].start |
14839.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].end |
14841.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].text |
你一般型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].start |
14841.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].end |
14843.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].text |
那個價格比較便宜 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].start |
14844.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].end |
14846.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].text |
對不對一般型的那個價格 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].start |
14847.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].end |
14849.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].text |
一切一切 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].start |
14849.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].end |
14851.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].text |
你們編是差不多那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].start |
14851.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].end |
14853.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].text |
如果打完者之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].start |
14853.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].end |
14855.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].text |
差不多178元 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].start |
14855.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].end |
14857.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].text |
178.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].start |
14857.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].end |
14859.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].text |
那加強型的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].start |
14859.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].end |
14861.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].text |
差不多420 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].start |
14860.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].end |
14862.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].text |
但是實際上沒有那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].start |
14862.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].end |
14864.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].text |
就是說如果我們真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].start |
14864.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].end |
14866.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].text |
按照這個預算權去買的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].start |
14866.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].end |
14868.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].text |
就是要用疫苗基金目前剩餘的那個金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].start |
14868.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].end |
14870.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].text |
但是因為每年都要買這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].start |
14870.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].end |
14872.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].text |
所以一旦買下去之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].start |
14872.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].end |
14874.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].text |
每年都要一直花 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].start |
14874.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].end |
14876.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].text |
所以必須要先確定有後續足夠的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].start |
14876.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].end |
14878.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].text |
疫苗基金的撥補 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].start |
14878.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].end |
14880.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].text |
那去年後來的決定是以疫苗接種儲值費優先 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].start |
14880.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].end |
14882.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].text |
所以多了8.4億在這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].start |
14882.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].end |
14884.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].text |
而且後面也會一直每年都要8.4億 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].start |
14884.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].end |
14886.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].text |
來優先照顧我們第一線醫療人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].start |
14886.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].end |
14888.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].text |
所以是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].start |
14888.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].end |
14890.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].text |
這樣子然後又要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].start |
14890.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].end |
14892.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].text |
就是小朋友的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].start |
14892.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].end |
14894.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].text |
輪狀病毒的疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].start |
14894.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].end |
14896.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].text |
好那當然就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].start |
14896.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].end |
14898.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].text |
我希望你們未來如果要編的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].start |
14898.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].end |
14900.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].text |
你真的要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].start |
14900.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].end |
14902.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].text |
神聖去思考一下要不然真的編出來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].start |
14902.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].end |
14904.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].text |
後來落差這麼大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].start |
14904.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].end |
14906.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].text |
我就覺得說真的還蠻奇怪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].start |
14906.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].end |
14908.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].text |
好那剛剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].start |
14908.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].end |
14910.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].text |
那個65歲以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].start |
14910.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].end |
14912.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].text |
這些長者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].start |
14912.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].end |
14914.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].text |
然後是高風險的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].start |
14914.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].end |
14916.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].text |
我覺得應該也要考慮進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].start |
14916.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].end |
14918.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].start |
14918.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].end |
14920.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].text |
歡迎收看方圍的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].start |
14921.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].end |
14923.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].text |
接下來請陳寅委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].start |
14934.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].end |
14936.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].text |
謝謝主席喔麻煩請 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].start |
14936.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].end |
14938.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].text |
石部長還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].start |
14938.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].end |
14940.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].text |
江署長以及中醫藥師師長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].start |
14941.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].end |
14943.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].text |
好請石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5962].start |
14943.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5962].end |
14945.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5962].text |
江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5963].start |
14945.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5963].end |
14947.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5963].text |
陳寅委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5964].start |
14947.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5964].end |
14949.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5964].text |
部長好大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5965].start |
14949.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5965].end |
14951.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5965].text |
我想在這邊喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5966].start |
14951.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5966].end |
14953.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5966].text |
首先要先 |
| transcript.whisperx[5967].start |
14953.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5967].end |
14955.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5967].text |
是這樣子我們這個藥食兩用喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5968].start |
14955.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5968].end |
14957.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5968].text |
在111年的時候喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5969].start |
14957.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5969].end |
14959.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5969].text |
曾經有討論過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5970].start |
14959.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5970].end |
14961.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5970].text |
那後來呢因為大家意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[5971].start |
14961.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5971].end |
14963.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5971].text |
太分歧了喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5972].start |
14963.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5972].end |
14965.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5972].text |
而作罷了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5973].start |
14965.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5973].end |
14967.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5973].text |
那所以我今天本席要在這邊特別呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5974].start |
14967.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5974].end |
14969.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5974].text |
肯定這個我們中醫藥師 |
| transcript.whisperx[5975].start |
14969.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5975].end |
14971.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5975].text |
蘇師長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5976].start |
14971.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5976].end |
14973.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5976].text |
他非常積極的想要解決這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5977].start |
14973.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5977].end |
14975.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5977].text |
那麼在這個歷經四年之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5978].start |
14975.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5978].end |
14977.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5978].text |
在今年4月14號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5979].start |
14977.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5979].end |
14979.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5979].text |
又再次提出這個相關草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5980].start |
14982.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5980].end |
14984.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5980].text |
好那我想我們先來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5981].start |
14984.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5981].end |
14986.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5981].text |
首先呢我要在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5982].start |
14986.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5982].end |
14988.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5982].text |
先請教一下部長喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5983].start |
14988.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5983].end |
14990.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5983].text |
海帶蓮子山藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].start |
14990.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].end |
14992.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].text |
還有牡蠣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].start |
14992.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].end |
14994.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].text |
您覺得是食品還是藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].start |
14996.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].end |
14998.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].text |
這個這些我了解這個在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].start |
14998.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].end |
15000.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].text |
我們那個傳統的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5988].start |
15000.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5988].end |
15002.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5988].text |
中藥材裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].start |
15002.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].end |
15004.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].text |
又都會有入藥啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].start |
15004.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].end |
15006.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].text |
所以應該都是屬於 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].start |
15006.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].end |
15008.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].text |
這個藥食兩用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].start |
15008.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].end |
15010.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].text |
那你覺得這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].start |
15010.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].end |
15012.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].text |
這些品項的這個屬性是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].start |
15012.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].end |
15014.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].text |
食品多還是中藥材 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].start |
15014.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].end |
15016.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].text |
多用的多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].start |
15016.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].end |
15018.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].text |
當然是食品用的多啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].start |
15018.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].end |
15020.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].text |
那好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].start |
15020.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].end |
15022.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].text |
那在上個月14號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].start |
15022.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].end |
15024.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].text |
衛福部有預告訂定了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].start |
15024.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].end |
15026.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].text |
德工食品原料使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].start |
15026.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].end |
15028.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].text |
是中藥材品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].start |
15028.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].end |
15030.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].text |
及其產品屬性認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].start |
15030.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].end |
15032.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].text |
基準的草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].start |
15032.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].end |
15034.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].text |
那本席想請教就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].start |
15034.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].end |
15036.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].text |
為什麼不叫 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].start |
15036.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].end |
15038.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].text |
德工中藥材原料使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].start |
15038.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].end |
15040.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].text |
是食品品項及其 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].start |
15040.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].end |
15042.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].text |
產品屬性認定標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].start |
15042.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].end |
15044.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].text |
這個差別在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].start |
15044.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].end |
15046.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].text |
部長你有沒有想過這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].start |
15047.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].end |
15049.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].text |
我們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].start |
15049.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].end |
15051.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].text |
食品中添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].start |
15051.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].end |
15053.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].text |
這個是說德工 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].start |
15053.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].end |
15055.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].text |
中藥材原料使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].start |
15055.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].end |
15057.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].text |
因為我們的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].start |
15057.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].end |
15059.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].text |
基本上是比較寬鬆啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].start |
15059.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].end |
15061.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].text |
我們沒有對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].start |
15061.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].end |
15063.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].text |
這個食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].start |
15063.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].end |
15065.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].text |
特別去做一些要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].start |
15065.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].end |
15067.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].text |
那麼除非有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].start |
15067.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].end |
15069.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].text |
所謂的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].start |
15069.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].end |
15071.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].text |
小綠人標章這些才會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].start |
15071.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].end |
15073.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].text |
特別的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].start |
15073.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].end |
15075.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].text |
健康食品類我們才會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].start |
15075.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].end |
15077.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].text |
但是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].start |
15077.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].end |
15079.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].text |
做藥品當中的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].start |
15079.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].end |
15081.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].text |
那麼就會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].start |
15081.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].end |
15083.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].text |
爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].start |
15083.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].end |
15085.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].text |
因為做藥的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].start |
15085.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].end |
15087.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].text |
要求會比較高 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].start |
15087.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].end |
15089.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].text |
所以才會有說可以拿來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].start |
15089.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].end |
15091.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].text |
做為這個中藥材 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].start |
15091.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].end |
15093.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].text |
的食品原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].start |
15093.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].end |
15095.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].text |
所以這樣反過來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].start |
15095.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].end |
15097.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].text |
就不合適是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].start |
15098.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].end |
15100.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].text |
因為規範的寬鬆是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].start |
15100.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].end |
15102.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].text |
所以有一切的一切 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].start |
15102.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].end |
15104.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].text |
按照這個字面上來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].start |
15104.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].end |
15106.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].text |
我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].start |
15106.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].end |
15108.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].text |
其實中藥材來源原先 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].start |
15108.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].end |
15110.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].text |
它的最原始的狀態大概都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].start |
15110.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].end |
15112.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].text |
天然的動植物 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].start |
15112.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].end |
15114.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].text |
在加工後製之後才變成藥材 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].start |
15114.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].end |
15116.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].text |
所以我們才會想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].start |
15116.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].end |
15118.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].text |
德工中藥材使用的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].start |
15118.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].end |
15120.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].text |
之食品品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].start |
15120.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].end |
15122.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].text |
我們把它反過來這樣思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].start |
15122.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].end |
15124.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].text |
我想拋出這樣的議題你們也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].start |
15124.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].end |
15126.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].text |
後續好好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].start |
15126.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].end |
15128.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].text |
想一想 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].start |
15128.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].end |
15130.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].text |
我另外要再請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].start |
15130.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].end |
15132.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].text |
就是說這個基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].start |
15132.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].end |
15134.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].text |
本身有沒有法律強制力 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].start |
15134.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].end |
15136.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].text |
那我們現行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].start |
15136.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].end |
15138.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].text |
有哪一部法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].start |
15138.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].end |
15140.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].text |
是需要靠這個基準來認定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].start |
15142.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].end |
15144.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].text |
基本上這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].start |
15144.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].end |
15146.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].text |
回到這個藥試法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].start |
15146.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].end |
15148.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].text |
因為藥試法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].start |
15148.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].end |
15150.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].text |
有一些規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].start |
15150.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].end |
15152.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].text |
就會造成在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].start |
15152.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].end |
15154.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].text |
這個裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].start |
15154.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].end |
15156.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].text |
違法的時候的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].start |
15156.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].end |
15158.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].text |
一個認定上 |
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15159.16 |
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15161.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].text |
地方這個衛生主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].start |
15161.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].end |
15163.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].text |
在裁罰的時候需要有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].start |
15163.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].end |
15165.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].text |
這個行政依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].start |
15165.16 |
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15167.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].text |
所以我們才會有這個基準來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].start |
15167.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].end |
15169.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].text |
裁罰的時候的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].start |
15169.16 |
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15171.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].text |
衡量標準這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].start |
15171.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].end |
15173.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].text |
所以在整個這個規規期判剛標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].start |
15173.16 |
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15175.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].text |
的這個參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].start |
15175.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].end |
15177.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].text |
的法規之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].start |
15177.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].end |
15179.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].text |
那其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].start |
15179.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].end |
15181.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].text |
這個基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].start |
15181.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].end |
15183.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].text |
我們其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].start |
15183.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].end |
15185.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].text |
它就是一個給行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].start |
15185.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].end |
15187.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].text |
單位參考嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].start |
15187.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].end |
15189.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].start |
15189.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].end |
15191.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].text |
再根據這個中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].start |
15191.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].end |
15193.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].text |
中央法規標準法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].start |
15193.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].end |
15195.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].text |
第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].start |
15195.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].end |
15197.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].text |
基準它本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].start |
15197.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].end |
15199.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].text |
它並不是一個行政命令 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].start |
15199.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].end |
15201.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].text |
所以它不存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].start |
15201.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].end |
15203.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].text |
對人民的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].start |
15203.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].end |
15205.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].text |
強制效力頂多就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].start |
15205.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].end |
15207.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].text |
行政機關在行政上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].start |
15207.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].end |
15209.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].text |
這個業務參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].start |
15210.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].end |
15212.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].text |
所以從內容來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].start |
15213.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].end |
15215.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].text |
如果今天這一旦這個基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].start |
15215.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].end |
15217.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].text |
它通過了對於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].start |
15217.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].end |
15219.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].text |
食品跟藥品的認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].start |
15219.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].end |
15221.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].text |
就直接就是讓這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].start |
15221.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].end |
15223.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].text |
行政機關來決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].start |
15223.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].end |
15225.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].text |
對於這個食品產業的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].start |
15225.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].end |
15227.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].text |
及民眾的權益它將產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].start |
15227.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].end |
15229.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].text |
一個非常重大的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].start |
15229.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].end |
15231.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].text |
根據 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].start |
15231.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].end |
15233.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].text |
我看啊根據這個中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].start |
15234.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].end |
15238.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].text |
根據這個中央法規標準法第五條規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].start |
15240.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].end |
15242.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].text |
關於人民之權利義務者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].start |
15242.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].end |
15244.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].text |
應以法律定之 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].start |
15244.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].end |
15246.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].text |
那有關這個食品跟藥品的認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].start |
15246.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].end |
15248.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].text |
即將透過這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].start |
15248.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].end |
15250.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].text |
不具法律未接的行政認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].start |
15250.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].end |
15252.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].text |
它等於加空了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].start |
15252.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].end |
15254.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].text |
我們的藥事法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].start |
15254.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].end |
15256.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].text |
那對於這個藥品的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].start |
15256.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].end |
15258.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].text |
跟管理的職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].start |
15258.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].end |
15260.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].text |
也衝擊食品安全衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].start |
15260.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].end |
15262.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].text |
以及這個健康食品管理法的適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].start |
15262.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].end |
15264.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].text |
我想請教衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].start |
15264.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].end |
15266.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].text |
你們的看法是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].start |
15268.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].end |
15269.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].text |
嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].start |
15270.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].end |
15271.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].text |
這個剛剛提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].start |
15271.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].end |
15273.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].text |
因為這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].start |
15273.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].end |
15275.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].text |
採訪的時候都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].start |
15275.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].end |
15277.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].text |
地方衛生主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].start |
15277.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].end |
15279.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].text |
那所以呢在採訪標準上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].start |
15279.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].end |
15281.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].text |
如果沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].start |
15281.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].end |
15283.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].text |
一個一致性的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].start |
15283.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].end |
15285.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].text |
就會造成這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].start |
15285.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].end |
15287.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].text |
人民權益的受損 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].start |
15287.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].end |
15289.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].text |
所以才有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].start |
15289.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].end |
15291.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].text |
由中央上級機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].start |
15291.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].end |
15293.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].text |
對於下級機關的指導 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].start |
15293.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].end |
15295.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].text |
所以以這個方式來定這個基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].start |
15295.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].end |
15297.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].text |
意思是提供給 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].start |
15297.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].end |
15299.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].text |
地方的衛生主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].start |
15299.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].end |
15301.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].text |
在採訪的時候有一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].start |
15301.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].end |
15303.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].text |
如果沒有這個標準的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].start |
15303.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].end |
15305.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].text |
那可能大家各自採訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].start |
15305.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].end |
15307.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].text |
那個拿捏就會不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].start |
15307.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].end |
15309.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].text |
反而變成一個產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].start |
15309.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].end |
15311.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].text |
在某一個這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].start |
15311.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].end |
15313.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].text |
這個縣市是合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].start |
15313.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].end |
15315.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].text |
沒有被罰到另外一個縣市就被罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].start |
15315.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].end |
15317.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].text |
所以才會有這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].start |
15317.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].end |
15319.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].text |
這個部分本席完全同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].start |
15319.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].end |
15321.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].text |
也是為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].start |
15321.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].end |
15323.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].text |
我們一直就是說這幾年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].start |
15323.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].end |
15325.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].text |
一直想要有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].start |
15325.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].end |
15327.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].text |
所以那 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].start |
15327.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].end |
15329.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].text |
三不五時喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].start |
15329.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].end |
15331.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].text |
我想不只我辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].start |
15331.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].end |
15333.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].text |
很多立委的辦公室都接到陳情啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].start |
15335.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].end |
15337.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].text |
本席是最支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].start |
15337.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].end |
15339.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].text |
中醫藥的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].start |
15339.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].end |
15341.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].text |
那當然就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].start |
15341.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].end |
15343.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].text |
也最支持中藥師 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].start |
15343.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].end |
15345.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].text |
那我要在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].start |
15345.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].end |
15347.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].text |
再一次就是肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].start |
15347.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].end |
15349.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].text |
市長要處理這個藥食兩用正義的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].start |
15349.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].end |
15351.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].text |
的破例啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].start |
15351.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].end |
15353.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].text |
那但行使公權力我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].start |
15353.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].end |
15355.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].text |
要回歸就是還是必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].start |
15355.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].end |
15357.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].text |
建構在這個法律的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].start |
15357.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].end |
15359.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].text |
基礎上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].start |
15359.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].end |
15361.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].text |
所以我們的藥事法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].start |
15361.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].end |
15363.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].text |
第六條針對藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].start |
15363.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].end |
15365.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].text |
它是有特別的定義的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].start |
15365.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].end |
15367.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].text |
那也就是說我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].start |
15367.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].end |
15369.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].text |
所謂的這個所稱的藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].start |
15369.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].end |
15371.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].text |
必須是藥典國家處方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].start |
15371.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].end |
15373.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].text |
診斷治療減輕 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].start |
15373.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].end |
15375.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].text |
預防疾病影響身體結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].start |
15375.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].end |
15377.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].text |
及身體機能才能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].start |
15377.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].end |
15379.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].text |
認定是藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].start |
15379.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].end |
15381.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].text |
而不是靠行政的認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].start |
15381.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].end |
15383.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].text |
來決定它是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].start |
15383.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].end |
15385.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].text |
藥品這句話很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].start |
15385.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].end |
15387.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].text |
我再重複一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].start |
15387.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].end |
15389.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].text |
就是在所稱的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].start |
15389.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].end |
15391.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].text |
藥品必須是藥典國家處方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].start |
15391.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].end |
15393.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].text |
診斷治療減輕預防疾病影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].start |
15393.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].end |
15395.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].text |
身體結構及身體機能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].start |
15395.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].end |
15397.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].text |
才能認定為藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].start |
15397.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].end |
15399.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].text |
而不是靠行政的認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].start |
15399.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].end |
15401.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].text |
來決定它是不是藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].start |
15401.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].end |
15403.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].start |
15403.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].end |
15405.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].text |
而且我們這個藥品的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].start |
15405.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].end |
15407.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].text |
相較於食品是相對嚴格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].start |
15407.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].end |
15409.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].text |
那行政管理的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].start |
15409.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].end |
15411.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].text |
也相當高台灣呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].start |
15411.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].end |
15413.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].text |
在過去幾十年來呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].start |
15413.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].end |
15415.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].text |
對於這個食品類的中藥材 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].start |
15415.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].end |
15417.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].text |
已經有非常穩健的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].start |
15417.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].end |
15419.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].text |
那今天呢我們突然 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].start |
15419.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].end |
15421.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].text |
要以這個行政的手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].start |
15421.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].end |
15423.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].text |
應試將具中藥材 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].start |
15423.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].end |
15425.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].text |
效用的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].start |
15425.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].end |
15427.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].text |
就是把它這個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].start |
15427.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].end |
15429.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].text |
劃入藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].start |
15429.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].end |
15431.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].text |
那例如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].start |
15431.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].end |
15433.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].text |
在例外視為食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].start |
15433.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].end |
15435.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].text |
那沒有考慮一旦說列為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].start |
15435.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].end |
15437.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].text |
藥品就必須是用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].start |
15437.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].end |
15439.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].text |
藥事法那對於這個藥品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].start |
15439.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].end |
15441.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].text |
規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].start |
15441.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].end |
15443.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].text |
包括了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].start |
15443.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].end |
15445.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].text |
機查檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].start |
15445.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].end |
15447.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].text |
機查檢驗查驗登錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].start |
15447.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].end |
15449.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].text |
等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].start |
15449.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].end |
15451.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].text |
那我想要請教衛福部就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].start |
15451.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].end |
15453.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].text |
那我們目前就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].start |
15453.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].end |
15455.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].text |
在這個時間點上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].start |
15455.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].end |
15457.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].text |
推出這樣的政策的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].start |
15457.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].end |
15459.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].text |
原因是為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].start |
15459.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].end |
15461.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].text |
因為呢已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].start |
15461.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].end |
15463.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].text |
有業者呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].start |
15463.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].end |
15465.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].text |
這個系署法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].start |
15464.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].end |
15466.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].text |
已經被系署法院了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].start |
15466.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].end |
15468.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].text |
那所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].start |
15468.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].end |
15470.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].text |
就會發現有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].start |
15470.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].end |
15472.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].text |
狀況跟實際上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].start |
15472.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].end |
15474.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].text |
實務上確實有需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].start |
15474.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].end |
15476.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].text |
把它釐清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].start |
15476.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].end |
15478.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].text |
讓這個地方主管機關在移送的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].start |
15478.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].end |
15480.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].text |
那麼能夠有比較一致性的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].start |
15480.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].end |
15482.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].text |
所以這一個基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].start |
15482.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].end |
15484.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].text |
我想還是有它的必要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].start |
15484.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].end |
15486.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].text |
不然現在馬上就觸及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].start |
15486.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].end |
15488.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].text |
它只是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].start |
15488.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].end |
15490.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].text |
它裡面上可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].start |
15490.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].end |
15492.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].text |
在這個我們預告的期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].start |
15492.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].end |
15494.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].text |
再來這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].start |
15494.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].end |
15496.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].text |
接受大家的意見的表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].start |
15496.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].end |
15498.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].text |
那再來做最後頒布的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].start |
15498.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].end |
15500.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].text |
的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].start |
15500.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].end |
15502.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].text |
就是說因為它預告期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].start |
15502.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].end |
15504.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].text |
當然我也認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].start |
15504.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].end |
15506.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].text |
其實在我們想要解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].start |
15506.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].end |
15508.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].text |
就是已經有這麼多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].start |
15508.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].end |
15510.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].text |
訴訟在那當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].start |
15510.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].end |
15512.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].text |
這個過程我們也討論了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].start |
15512.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].end |
15514.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].text |
很多但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].start |
15514.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].end |
15516.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].text |
我想這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].start |
15516.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].end |
15518.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].text |
一個基準通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].start |
15518.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].end |
15520.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].text |
之後呢我可以預言兩件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].start |
15520.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].end |
15522.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].text |
第一我們的訴訟可能更多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].start |
15522.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].end |
15524.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].text |
然後再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].start |
15524.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].end |
15526.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].text |
這個中藥相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].start |
15526.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].end |
15528.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].text |
這個生技產業可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].start |
15528.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].end |
15530.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].text |
這個倒閉潮就來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].start |
15530.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].end |
15532.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].text |
這個是我想今天預告期 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].start |
15532.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].end |
15534.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].text |
我們很客觀的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].start |
15534.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].end |
15536.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].text |
來點出一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].start |
15536.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].end |
15538.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].text |
問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].start |
15538.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].end |
15540.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].text |
那我要在這裡延伸聲明就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].start |
15540.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].end |
15542.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].text |
我們國家已經定有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].start |
15542.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].end |
15544.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].text |
中藥發展法對於食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].start |
15544.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].end |
15546.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].text |
用於中藥材 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].start |
15546.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].end |
15548.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].text |
已經有一部上市中藥監測 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].start |
15548.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].end |
15550.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].text |
辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].start |
15550.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].end |
15552.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].text |
在對中藥材中藥自製 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].start |
15552.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].end |
15554.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].text |
實施的法定監測 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].start |
15554.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].end |
15556.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].text |
也規定了這個中藥查驗登記的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].start |
15556.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].end |
15558.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].text |
辦法那今天呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].start |
15558.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].end |
15560.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].text |
我們貿然提出這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].start |
15560.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].end |
15562.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].text |
認定標準認定基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].start |
15562.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].end |
15564.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].text |
將這個第二類的品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].start |
15564.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].end |
15566.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].start |
15566.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].end |
15568.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].text |
就是說擇定有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].start |
15568.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].end |
15570.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].text |
每人每日食用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].start |
15570.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].end |
15572.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].text |
限量那如果說添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].start |
15572.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].end |
15574.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].text |
第二類中藥材 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].start |
15574.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].end |
15576.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].text |
且這個總量呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].start |
15576.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].end |
15578.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].text |
超過五成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].start |
15578.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].end |
15580.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].text |
或者產品中成分第二類中藥材 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].start |
15580.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].end |
15582.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].text |
任意產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].start |
15582.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].end |
15584.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].text |
每日食用量超過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].start |
15584.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].end |
15586.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].text |
台灣中藥點最低用量 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].start |
15586.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].end |
15588.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].text |
五成就需列為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].start |
15588.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].end |
15590.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].text |
藥品的管理我想要請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].start |
15590.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].end |
15592.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].text |
部長將來呢這些被 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].start |
15592.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].end |
15594.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].text |
你們認定為藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].start |
15594.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].end |
15596.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].text |
的這個藥材食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].start |
15596.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].end |
15598.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].text |
你們要不要監測 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].start |
15598.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].end |
15600.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].text |
我舉個例子吧同樣都 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].start |
15600.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].end |
15602.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].text |
屬於這個第二類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].start |
15602.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].end |
15604.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].text |
中藥材 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].start |
15604.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].end |
15606.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].text |
我們這個以這個藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].start |
15606.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].end |
15608.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].text |
藥膳包去販售就沒有限量 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].start |
15608.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].end |
15610.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].text |
的問題嘛那以查包的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].start |
15610.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].end |
15612.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].text |
就不需要管理嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].start |
15612.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].end |
15614.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].text |
那其他通路的方式販售 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].start |
15614.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].end |
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就要以藥品來管理 |
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15616.84 |
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15618.84 |
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那這樣子的邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6290].start |
15618.84 |
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15620.84 |
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我就問啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6291].start |
15620.84 |
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15622.84 |
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這樣的邏輯有符合法律原則嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6292].start |
15624.34 |
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15632.34 |
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好所以是不是說以後的生技場都要轉型去開五十藍去開清新手搖飲這樣就沒問題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6293].start |
15632.34 |
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15634.34 |
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部長怎麼看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].start |
15634.34 |
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15636.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].text |
這樣這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].start |
15636.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].end |
15638.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].text |
有些當做食品添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[6296].start |
15638.34 |
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15640.34 |
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有些他會加進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].start |
15640.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].end |
15642.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].text |
那過去的話經常涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6298].start |
15642.34 |
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15644.34 |
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固有陳方啦等等 |
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15646.34 |
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這些違法都被判定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6300].start |
15646.34 |
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15648.34 |
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我想我們跟委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].start |
15648.34 |
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15650.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].text |
這個初衷都是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].start |
15650.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].end |
15652.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].text |
想要解決現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].start |
15652.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].end |
15654.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].text |
在這個中藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].start |
15654.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].end |
15656.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].text |
跟這個藥食兩用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].start |
15656.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].end |
15658.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].text |
在食品發展上面的困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[6306].start |
15658.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6306].end |
15660.34 |
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所以我們大家的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6307].start |
15660.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6307].end |
15662.34 |
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想法都是一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].start |
15662.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].end |
15664.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].text |
要解決這個困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].start |
15664.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].end |
15666.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].text |
那至於說過去討論了很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6310].start |
15666.34 |
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15668.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6310].text |
那目前所 |
| transcript.whisperx[6311].start |
15668.34 |
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15670.34 |
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先這個預告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].start |
15670.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].end |
15672.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].text |
的這個內容也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].start |
15672.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].end |
15674.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].text |
經過很多的討論如果中間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].start |
15674.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].end |
15676.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].text |
還有這個不及之處 |
| transcript.whisperx[6315].start |
15676.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6315].end |
15678.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6315].text |
我想我們可以再 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].start |
15678.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].end |
15680.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].text |
再趕快來修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].start |
15680.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].end |
15682.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].text |
但是呢這個要趕快 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].start |
15682.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].end |
15684.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].text |
趕快讓他發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].start |
15684.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].end |
15686.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].text |
不然這些糾紛的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].start |
15686.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].end |
15688.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].text |
一直存在無法解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].start |
15688.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].end |
15690.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].text |
我們是不希望後續 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].start |
15690.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].end |
15692.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].text |
有更多的糾紛所以我今天提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].start |
15692.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].end |
15694.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].text |
你們真的要好好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].start |
15694.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].end |
15696.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].text |
去思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].start |
15696.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].end |
15698.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].text |
那你們的這個食藥署也很明確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].start |
15698.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].end |
15702.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].text |
就叫做食品及藥物管理署 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].start |
15702.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].end |
15704.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].text |
也就是說我們食品跟藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].start |
15704.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].end |
15706.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].text |
是要分開管理的不能說根據 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].start |
15706.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].end |
15708.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].text |
自己訂定一個行政基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].start |
15708.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].end |
15710.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].text |
那你也可以把這個食品當做中藥材 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].start |
15710.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].end |
15712.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].text |
甚至說還出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].start |
15712.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].end |
15714.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].text |
符合你們認定的不以藥品管理的字眼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].start |
15714.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].end |
15716.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].text |
那這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].start |
15716.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].end |
15718.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].text |
就是說食藥不分的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].start |
15718.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].end |
15720.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].text |
因為我們今天在講法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].start |
15720.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].end |
15722.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].text |
那當然就是說食物上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].start |
15722.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].end |
15724.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].text |
這個你要怎麼去克服 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].start |
15724.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].end |
15726.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].text |
但是我想要建立在法規的基礎上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].start |
15726.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].end |
15728.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].text |
是對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].start |
15728.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].end |
15730.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].text |
我說食藥不分對這個藥事法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].start |
15730.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].end |
15732.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].text |
就是說這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].start |
15732.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].end |
15734.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].text |
對藥事法的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].start |
15734.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].end |
15736.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].text |
架空也是對張署長的架空 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].start |
15736.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].end |
15738.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].text |
那也可能是這個行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].start |
15738.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].end |
15740.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].text |
這個擴權的一個最壞的示範 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].start |
15740.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].end |
15742.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].text |
所以今天用這個品項及屬性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].start |
15742.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].end |
15744.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].text |
來認定食品還是藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].start |
15744.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].end |
15746.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].text |
以這個行政來霸凌醫藥的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].start |
15746.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].end |
15748.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].text |
那就會完全打臉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].start |
15748.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].end |
15750.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].text |
中醫師他下處方的這個專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].start |
15755.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].end |
15757.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].text |
那因為呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].start |
15757.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].end |
15759.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].text |
沒有在這個第二類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6353].start |
15759.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6353].end |
15761.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6353].text |
75項的裡面或者是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6354].start |
15761.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6354].end |
15763.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6354].text |
使用超過你們訂定的用量 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].start |
15763.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].end |
15765.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].text |
那食品就變成藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6356].start |
15765.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6356].end |
15767.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6356].text |
我想這個讓人很 |
| transcript.whisperx[6357].start |
15767.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6357].end |
15769.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6357].text |
很多人很難接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].start |
15769.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].end |
15771.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].text |
那部長就是說一片人身 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].start |
15771.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].end |
15773.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].text |
重量多少克你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6360].start |
15775.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6360].end |
15777.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6360].text |
好我們有查過AI啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6361].start |
15777.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6361].end |
15783.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6361].text |
切大切小切厚切薄可能不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6362].start |
15783.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6362].end |
15785.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6362].text |
好這個是聰明人的回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[6363].start |
15786.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6363].end |
15788.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6363].text |
一般大概可能大概在1到2克吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6364].start |
15788.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6364].end |
15790.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6364].text |
市長對吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].start |
15790.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].end |
15792.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].text |
差不多好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].start |
15792.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].end |
15794.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].text |
那你們的基準好假如我們就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6367].start |
15794.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6367].end |
15796.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6367].text |
看一下就是說1到2克 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].start |
15796.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].end |
15798.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].text |
來為標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].start |
15798.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].end |
15800.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].text |
那你們的基準訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].start |
15800.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].end |
15802.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].text |
就是訂在每人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6371].start |
15802.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6371].end |
15804.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6371].text |
日食用量是1.5克 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].start |
15804.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].end |
15806.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].text |
那食用超過限量的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].start |
15806.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].end |
15808.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].text |
5成0.75克 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].start |
15808.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].end |
15810.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].text |
就是藥品所以以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].start |
15810.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].end |
15812.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].text |
含一片人身 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].start |
15812.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].end |
15814.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].text |
要當作藥品來管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6377].start |
15814.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6377].end |
15816.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6377].text |
那要符合藥事法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6378].start |
15816.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6378].end |
15818.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6378].text |
要由醫師來下處方才可以含 |
| transcript.whisperx[6379].start |
15818.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6379].end |
15820.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6379].text |
那要認定合格的人身 |
| transcript.whisperx[6380].start |
15820.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6380].end |
15822.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6380].text |
才可以買含半片就是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6381].start |
15822.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6381].end |
15824.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6381].text |
那請問市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6382].start |
15824.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6382].end |
15826.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6382].text |
這樣的管理合適嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6383].start |
15826.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6383].end |
15828.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6383].text |
我現在講的是大家一起含我不是說一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].start |
15829.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].end |
15831.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6385].start |
15830.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6385].end |
15832.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6385].text |
我們這樣解釋是不是正確 |
| transcript.whisperx[6386].start |
15832.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6386].end |
15834.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6386].text |
所以以後也建議這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6387].start |
15834.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6387].end |
15836.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6387].text |
50蘭它可以賣人參茶 |
| transcript.whisperx[6388].start |
15838.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6388].end |
15840.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6388].text |
要搖頭喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6389].start |
15840.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6389].end |
15842.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6389].text |
因為它是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6390].start |
15842.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6390].end |
15844.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6390].text |
人參如果是像這樣這個是原形 |
| transcript.whisperx[6391].start |
15844.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6391].end |
15846.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6391].text |
所以它這個沒有被我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6392].start |
15846.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6392].end |
15848.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6392].text |
這次納入在特別的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[6393].start |
15848.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6393].end |
15850.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6393].text |
裡頭所以它 |
| transcript.whisperx[6394].start |
15850.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6394].end |
15852.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6394].text |
因為我們現在所規範的通常 |
| transcript.whisperx[6395].start |
15852.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6395].end |
15854.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6395].text |
它都是經過加工 |
| transcript.whisperx[6396].start |
15854.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6396].end |
15856.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6396].text |
處理之後然後它還會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].start |
15856.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].end |
15858.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].text |
有一些功能的宣稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[6398].start |
15858.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6398].end |
15860.01 |
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等等的所以才需要做這一規範 |
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15860.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6399].end |
15862.01 |
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磨成粉的也是 |
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15862.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6400].end |
15864.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6400].text |
也是加工 |
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15864.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6401].end |
15866.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6401].text |
沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].start |
15866.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].end |
15868.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].text |
這個我想食材 |
| transcript.whisperx[6403].start |
15868.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6403].end |
15870.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6403].text |
它就是食材 |
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15870.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].end |
15872.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].text |
那藥材是藥材 |
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15872.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].end |
15874.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].text |
人民有權利可以自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].start |
15874.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].end |
15876.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].text |
去選擇以食品去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6407].start |
15876.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6407].end |
15878.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6407].text |
食用那也可以在醫師的 |
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15878.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6408].end |
15880.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6408].text |
調理之下以藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6409].start |
15880.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6409].end |
15882.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6409].text |
來食用那這個用藥 |
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15882.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6410].end |
15884.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6410].text |
安全的核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].start |
15884.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].end |
15886.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].text |
是在於這個醫師 |
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15886.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6412].end |
15888.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6412].text |
來下處方或者 |
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15888.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].end |
15890.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].text |
是醫師來調劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].start |
15890.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].end |
15892.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].text |
那不是說有沒有符合 |
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15892.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].end |
15894.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].text |
這個 |
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15894 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].end |
15896 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].text |
你們訂定的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].start |
15896 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].end |
15898 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].text |
基準那這樣的 |
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15898 |
| transcript.whisperx[6418].end |
15900 |
| transcript.whisperx[6418].text |
行政方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].start |
15900 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].end |
15902 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].text |
將食材變成藥材真的是 |
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15902 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].end |
15904 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].text |
把一些過去的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].start |
15904 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].end |
15906 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].text |
中藥材食品認定為藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].start |
15906 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].end |
15908 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].text |
那就是要照藥師法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].start |
15908 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].end |
15910 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].text |
來管理了那光 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].start |
15910 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].end |
15912 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].text |
一個這個藥品監測 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].start |
15912 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].end |
15914 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].text |
製造生產管理行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].start |
15914 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].end |
15916 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].text |
負荷就非常大了除非 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].start |
15916 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].end |
15918 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].text |
說你們認為食品中 |
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15918 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].end |
15920 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].text |
藥材的這個廠商會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].start |
15920 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].end |
15922 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].text |
大量 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].start |
15922 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].end |
15924 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].text |
歇業再不然我要請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].start |
15924 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].end |
15926 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].text |
新增這麼多品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].start |
15926 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].end |
15928 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].text |
的藥品衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].start |
15928 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].end |
15930 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].text |
現在你們有沒有足夠的人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].start |
15930 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].end |
15932 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].text |
物力可以負荷的了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].start |
15933.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].end |
15935.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].text |
不過跟委員說明如果現在這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].start |
15935.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].end |
15937.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].text |
都是被列為中藥材 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].start |
15937.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].end |
15939.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].text |
那如果我們沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].start |
15939.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].end |
15941.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].text |
這個基準讓他可以得為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].start |
15941.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].end |
15943.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].text |
食品使用那就通通都以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].start |
15943.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].end |
15945.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].text |
都是真的要醫師處方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].start |
15945.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].end |
15947.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].text |
這個也會造成人民的不便 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].start |
15947.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].end |
15949.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].text |
所以我們才需要做這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].start |
15949.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].end |
15951.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].text |
調合 我想是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].start |
15951.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].end |
15953.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].text |
今天的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].start |
15953.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].end |
15955.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].text |
當然就是說廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].start |
15955.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].end |
15957.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].text |
他本來就可以產生高品質的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].start |
15957.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].end |
15959.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].text |
機能性食品來販售 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].start |
15959.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].end |
15961.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].text |
他過去是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].start |
15961.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].end |
15963.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].text |
那未來也應該是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].start |
15963.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].end |
15965.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].text |
那今天衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].start |
15965.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].end |
15967.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].text |
你們不能夠說去限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].start |
15967.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].end |
15969.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].text |
只有通過健康食品認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].start |
15969.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].end |
15971.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].text |
才能夠以食品去販售 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].start |
15971.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].end |
15973.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].text |
對不對 那其他的都要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].start |
15973.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].end |
15975.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].text |
當作藥品來管理也不能這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].start |
15975.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].end |
15977.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].text |
那這是剝奪人民選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].start |
15977.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].end |
15979.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].text |
食物的自由那剝奪我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].start |
15979.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].end |
15981.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].text |
對於機能性食品的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].start |
15981.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].end |
15983.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].text |
消費的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[6460].start |
15984.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6460].end |
15986.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6460].text |
本席是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6461].start |
15986.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6461].end |
15988.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6461].text |
要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6462].start |
15988.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6462].end |
15990.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6462].text |
要求喔 目前公告的基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6463].start |
15990.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6463].end |
15992.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6463].text |
因為呢 藥品的認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6464].start |
15992.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6464].end |
15994.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6464].text |
與藥師法的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[6465].start |
15994.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6465].end |
15996.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6465].text |
是有憾格 |
| transcript.whisperx[6466].start |
15995.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6466].end |
15997.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6466].text |
那法律的衛接 |
| transcript.whisperx[6467].start |
15997.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6467].end |
15999.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6467].text |
他仍然是有存在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6468].start |
15999.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6468].end |
16001.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6468].text |
疑義 而且這個名稱喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].start |
16001.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].end |
16003.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].text |
得工食品使用之中藥材 |
| transcript.whisperx[6470].start |
16003.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6470].end |
16005.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6470].text |
他這個是有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].start |
16005.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].end |
16007.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].text |
特定的立場 所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6472].start |
16007.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6472].end |
16009.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6472].text |
如果 嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].start |
16009.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].end |
16011.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].text |
如果 衛如就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].start |
16011.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].end |
16013.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].text |
得工中藥材使用之 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].start |
16013.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].end |
16015.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].text |
食品 他根據中立與 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].start |
16015.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].end |
16017.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].text |
客觀性的話喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].start |
16017.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].end |
16019.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].text |
那這個公告跟後續的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].start |
16019.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].end |
16021.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].text |
你們應該要很 |
| transcript.whisperx[6479].start |
16021.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6479].end |
16023.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6479].text |
慎重的去考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[6480].start |
16023.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6480].end |
16025.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6480].text |
如果說衛福部 認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6481].start |
16025.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6481].end |
16027.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6481].text |
現階段有急迫的需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].start |
16027.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].end |
16029.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].text |
那以界定中藥材 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].start |
16029.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].end |
16031.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].text |
品項及屬性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].start |
16031.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].end |
16033.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].text |
去兼顧國人中藥及 |
| transcript.whisperx[6485].start |
16033.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6485].end |
16035.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6485].text |
用藥安全跟膳食文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6486].start |
16035.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6486].end |
16037.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6486].text |
那我們也更應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6487].start |
16037.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6487].end |
16039.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6487].text |
就是說 呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].start |
16039.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].end |
16041.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].text |
要應循一個正式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].start |
16041.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].end |
16043.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].text |
這個法治作業啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].start |
16043.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].end |
16045.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].text |
我主要重點要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].start |
16045.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].end |
16047.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].text |
強調這個 那把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].start |
16047.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].end |
16049.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].text |
相關基準提升到法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].start |
16049.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].end |
16051.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].text |
衛接 所以我並沒有去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].start |
16051.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].end |
16053.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].text |
反對 我也肯定中醫藥師 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].start |
16053.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].end |
16055.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].text |
好 只是說我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].start |
16055.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].end |
16057.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].text |
我們就是說這個法制 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].start |
16057.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].end |
16059.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].text |
作業這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].start |
16059.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].end |
16061.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].text |
建構在法的基準上 這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].start |
16061.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].end |
16063.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].text |
很重要的 好那我們把它納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[6500].start |
16063.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6500].end |
16065.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6500].text |
藥師法或這個中醫藥發展法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6501].start |
16065.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6501].end |
16067.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6501].text |
的這個附屬法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[6502].start |
16067.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6502].end |
16069.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6502].text |
好 來符合法律保留跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].start |
16069.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].end |
16071.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].text |
這個明確授權的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[6504].start |
16071.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6504].end |
16073.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6504].text |
那此外喔 現行預告的基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6505].start |
16073.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6505].end |
16075.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6505].text |
每日食用量不得超過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6506].start |
16075.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6506].end |
16077.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6506].text |
台灣中藥點最低用量的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6507].start |
16077.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6507].end |
16079.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6507].text |
五成作為規範的依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[6508].start |
16079.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6508].end |
16081.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6508].text |
那其這個 其中這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6509].start |
16081.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6509].end |
16083.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6509].text |
科學基礎喔 跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6510].start |
16083.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6510].end |
16085.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6510].text |
食物管理的可行性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6511].start |
16085.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6511].end |
16087.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6511].text |
呃 它確實是有待商榷 |
| transcript.whisperx[6512].start |
16087.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6512].end |
16089.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6512].text |
那第二類的品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[6513].start |
16089.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6513].end |
16091.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6513].text |
雖然從這個37項大幅 |
| transcript.whisperx[6514].start |
16091.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6514].end |
16093.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6514].text |
增加到73項 許多品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[6515].start |
16093.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6515].end |
16095.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6515].text |
納入喔 呃跟排除 |
| transcript.whisperx[6516].start |
16095.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6516].end |
16097.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6516].text |
呃 我相信我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6517].start |
16097.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6517].end |
16099.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6517].text |
這個呃社會中當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[6518].start |
16099.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6518].end |
16101.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6518].text |
還有很多的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6519].start |
16101.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6519].end |
16103.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6519].text |
它還沒有完全達到一個共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[6520].start |
16103.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6520].end |
16105.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6520].text |
那例如說 地黃有納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].start |
16105.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].end |
16107.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].text |
這個熟地黃沒有納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].start |
16107.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].end |
16109.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].text |
然後甘草有納入 製甘草 |
| transcript.whisperx[6523].start |
16109.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6523].end |
16111.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6523].text |
它沒有納入 都可能影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[6524].start |
16111.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6524].end |
16113.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6524].text |
呃 民眾的權益跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[6525].start |
16113.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6525].end |
16115.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6525].text |
採用適用標準的一致性啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6526].start |
16115.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6526].end |
16117.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6526].text |
所以 基於這個上述 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].start |
16117.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].end |
16119.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].text |
爭議尚未釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].start |
16119.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].end |
16121.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].text |
那為求這個審慎周延 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].start |
16121.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].end |
16123.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].text |
那本席是建議啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].start |
16123.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].end |
16125.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].text |
就是說 如果未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6531].start |
16125.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6531].end |
16127.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6531].text |
我們想要把這個基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].start |
16127.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].end |
16129.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].text |
正式法制化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].start |
16129.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].end |
16131.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].text |
來 也希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].start |
16131.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].end |
16133.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].text |
應該來送這個立法院本院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].start |
16133.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].end |
16135.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].text |
這個本會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6536].start |
16135.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6536].end |
16137.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6536].text |
本委員會喔 來進行這個專業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6537].start |
16137.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6537].end |
16139.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6537].text |
審查跟充分的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].start |
16139.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].end |
16141.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].text |
來凝聚社會的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[6539].start |
16141.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6539].end |
16143.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6539].text |
那兼顧這個食安要用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].start |
16143.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].end |
16145.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].text |
用藥安全跟人民的權益啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6541].start |
16145.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6541].end |
16147.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6541].text |
好 我想是做這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6542].start |
16147.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6542].end |
16149.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6542].text |
建議 好 我 我 我 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].start |
16149.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].end |
16151.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].text |
這個跟委員在說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].start |
16151.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].end |
16153.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].text |
現在目前我們規範的都 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].start |
16153.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].end |
16155.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].text |
已經是納入中藥材管理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6546].start |
16155.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6546].end |
16157.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6546].text |
其實我們是在把 |
| transcript.whisperx[6547].start |
16157.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6547].end |
16159.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6547].text |
中藥材裡面呢 當作藥管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6548].start |
16159.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6548].end |
16161.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6548].text |
讓它可以當作 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].start |
16161.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].end |
16163.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].text |
食品來使用 其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6550].start |
16163.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6550].end |
16165.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6550].text |
在對人民有利的發展上去走啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].start |
16165.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].end |
16167.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].text |
跟大家想像的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].start |
16167.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].end |
16169.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].text |
不是把食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6553].start |
16169.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6553].end |
16171.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6553].text |
匡入變成藥材 |
| transcript.whisperx[6554].start |
16171.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6554].end |
16173.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6554].text |
現在都是在中華藥點裡面有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6555].start |
16173.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6555].end |
16175.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6555].text |
詳細的我們在找時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6556].start |
16175.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6556].end |
16177.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6556].text |
跟委員詳細的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6557].start |
16177.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6557].end |
16179.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6557].text |
現在的困境就是因為它被寫在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6558].start |
16179.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6558].end |
16181.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6558].text |
中藥點裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].start |
16181.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].end |
16183.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].text |
是已經是中藥材了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].start |
16183.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].end |
16185.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].text |
所以現在是要把它部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].start |
16185.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].end |
16187.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].text |
拉出來讓它可以進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[6562].start |
16187.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6562].end |
16189.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6562].text |
食品使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].start |
16189.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].end |
16191.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].text |
不然目前很多可能違法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6564].start |
16191.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6564].end |
16193.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6564].text |
樣態會無法解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].start |
16193.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].end |
16195.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].text |
會更擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].start |
16195.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].end |
16197.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].text |
這個我理解我們之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[6567].start |
16197.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6567].end |
16199.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6567].text |
也都有討論過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6568].start |
16199.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6568].end |
16201.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6568].text |
希望在未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].start |
16201.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].end |
16203.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].text |
我們在行政授權的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].start |
16203.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].end |
16205.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].text |
就是在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].start |
16205.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].end |
16207.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].text |
規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].start |
16207.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].end |
16209.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].text |
我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].start |
16210.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].end |
16212.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].text |
要判定它是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].start |
16212.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].end |
16214.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].text |
藥材藥品這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].start |
16214.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].end |
16216.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].text |
我想應該就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].start |
16216.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].end |
16218.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].text |
我們讓它更有法制化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].start |
16218.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].end |
16220.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].text |
這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].start |
16220.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].end |
16222.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].text |
現在目前我們這一次預告的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].start |
16222.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].end |
16224.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].text |
現在通通是中藥材 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].start |
16224.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].end |
16226.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].text |
如果我們這個不走的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].start |
16226.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].end |
16228.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].text |
那些未來都不能用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].start |
16228.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].end |
16230.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].text |
那個會很麻煩 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].start |
16230.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].end |
16232.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].text |
那後續我們再找時間 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].start |
16232.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].end |
16234.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].text |
謝謝陳營偉的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].start |
16235.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].end |
16237.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].text |
現在請離觀察委員之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].start |
16246.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].end |
16248.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].start |
16248.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].end |
16250.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].text |
而請食部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].start |
16254.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].end |
16256.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].text |
李議員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].start |
16256.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].end |
16258.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].text |
部長辛苦了 現在已經12點多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].start |
16258.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].end |
16260.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].text |
1點了 1點了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].start |
16260.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].end |
16262.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].text |
先請教一下 大家都很關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].start |
16262.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].end |
16264.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].text |
這個有關愛爾利他涉嫌 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].start |
16264.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].end |
16266.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].text |
偷拍這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].start |
16266.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].end |
16268.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].text |
部長也說這是明知故犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].start |
16268.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].end |
16270.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].text |
是有目的性的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].start |
16270.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].end |
16272.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].text |
不可原諒 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].start |
16272.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].end |
16274.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].text |
然後請醫事司處辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].start |
16274.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].end |
16276.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].text |
依法給予這個情業的處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].start |
16276.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].end |
16278.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].text |
我想請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].start |
16278.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].end |
16280.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].text |
現在處理的情況怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].start |
16280.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].end |
16282.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].text |
我們已經先發函給衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].start |
16282.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].end |
16284.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].text |
然後衛生局他就會依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].start |
16284.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].end |
16286.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].text |
事實去認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].start |
16286.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].end |
16288.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].text |
那麼裁罰權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].start |
16288.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].end |
16290.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].text |
真正的裁罰是在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].start |
16290.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].end |
16292.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].text |
如果是第一案的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].start |
16292.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].end |
16294.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].text |
那個愛爾利集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].start |
16294.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].end |
16296.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].text |
大概涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6609].start |
16296.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6609].end |
16298.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6609].text |
7個縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[6610].start |
16298.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6610].end |
16300.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6610].text |
但是後面還有另外3個集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].start |
16300.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].end |
16302.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].text |
可能又有點差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].start |
16302.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].end |
16304.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].text |
我們會繼續往後一直推 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].start |
16304.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].end |
16306.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].text |
目前是7個縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].start |
16306.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].end |
16308.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].text |
這個是愛爾利的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6615].start |
16308.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6615].end |
16310.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6615].text |
那其他3個呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].start |
16310.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].end |
16312.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].text |
那邊的媒體有揭露的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].start |
16312.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].end |
16314.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].text |
後面還有3個集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].start |
16314.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].end |
16316.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].text |
包含光澤 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].start |
16316.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].end |
16318.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].text |
還有伊炎明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].start |
16318.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].end |
16320.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].text |
還有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].start |
16320.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].end |
16322.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].text |
那我們今天也會陸陸續續 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].start |
16322.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].end |
16324.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].text |
針對這3個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].start |
16324.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].end |
16326.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].text |
所以說這個裁處是由地方衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].start |
16326.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].end |
16328.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].text |
來做裁處就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].start |
16328.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].end |
16330.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].text |
依法有按照醫療法是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].start |
16330.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].end |
16332.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].text |
有地方主管機關裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].start |
16332.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].end |
16334.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].text |
那罰緩呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].start |
16334.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].end |
16336.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].text |
我們看他的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].start |
16336.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].end |
16338.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].text |
他有2種樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].start |
16338.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].end |
16340.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].text |
第一個呢是他這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].start |
16340.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].end |
16342.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].text |
涉及到病人隱私的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].start |
16342.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].end |
16344.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].text |
會按照依法法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].start |
16344.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].end |
16346.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].text |
108條第6款 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].start |
16346.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].end |
16348.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].text |
來處理 那這個部分呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].start |
16348.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].end |
16350.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].text |
他可以是5萬到50萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].start |
16350.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].end |
16352.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].text |
另外情節重大的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].start |
16352.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].end |
16354.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].text |
會停業處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].start |
16354.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].end |
16356.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].text |
這個是一種 那第二種是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].start |
16356.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].end |
16358.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].text |
費用的超收 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].start |
16358.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].end |
16360.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].text |
他這個預收費用啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].start |
16360.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].end |
16362.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].text |
現在也爆發爭議嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].start |
16362.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].end |
16364.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].text |
在退款的時候還設了一堆門檻 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].start |
16364.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].end |
16366.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].text |
那這個就違反到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].start |
16366.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].end |
16368.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].text |
108條的第7款 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].start |
16368.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].end |
16370.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].text |
那這個罰則是相同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].start |
16370.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].end |
16372.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].text |
那另外如果這些資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].start |
16372.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].end |
16374.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].text |
還洩漏 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].start |
16374.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].end |
16376.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].text |
那又涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].start |
16376.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].end |
16378.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].text |
醫療法的72條 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].start |
16378.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].end |
16380.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].text |
那甚至會有刑法的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].start |
16380.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].end |
16382.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].text |
妨礙秘密罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].start |
16382.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].end |
16384.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].text |
隱私的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].start |
16384.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].end |
16386.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].text |
那甚至如果還有性影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].start |
16386.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].end |
16388.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].text |
那又涉及到另外的罰則 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].start |
16388.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].end |
16390.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].text |
那個也是刑事責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].start |
16390.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].end |
16392.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].text |
所以就會不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].start |
16392.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].end |
16394.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].text |
所以還要看他可能他的違法的樣態去實質認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].start |
16394.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].end |
16396.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].text |
那現在有地方政府有報上來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].start |
16396.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].end |
16398.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].text |
到目前還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].start |
16398.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].end |
16400.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].text |
到目前還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].start |
16400.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].end |
16402.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].text |
有關這個停業的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].start |
16402.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].end |
16404.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].text |
或是說罰款都還沒有報上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].start |
16404.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].end |
16406.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].text |
那有請他們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].start |
16406.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].end |
16408.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].text |
最快要哪時候報上來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].start |
16410.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].end |
16412.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].text |
一週內啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].start |
16412.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].end |
16414.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].text |
我們都是一週內希望回覆他的處理情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].start |
16414.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].end |
16416.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].text |
那等於這個禮拜嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].start |
16416.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].end |
16418.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].text |
這禮拜就要回覆了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].start |
16418.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].end |
16420.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].text |
那再請教一下部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].start |
16420.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].end |
16422.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].text |
那你也說過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].start |
16422.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].end |
16424.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].text |
要對這個醫療院所展開這個聯合的普查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].start |
16424.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].end |
16426.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].text |
那請問要哪時候開始進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].start |
16426.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].end |
16428.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].text |
這個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].start |
16428.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].end |
16430.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].text |
5月13號呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].start |
16430.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].end |
16432.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].text |
醫師會邀請 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].start |
16432.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].end |
16434.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].text |
這個衛生局來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].start |
16434.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].end |
16436.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].text |
如何進行下一步的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].start |
16436.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].end |
16438.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].text |
稽查的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].start |
16438.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].end |
16440.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].text |
我是說是已經要進行全面普查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].start |
16440.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].end |
16442.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].text |
然後只是要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].start |
16442.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].end |
16444.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].text |
邀請這個地方衛生局跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].start |
16444.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].end |
16446.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].text |
醫師公會一起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].start |
16446.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].end |
16448.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].text |
還是說我們在討論要不要普查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].start |
16448.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].end |
16450.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].text |
應該是這樣子講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].start |
16450.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].end |
16452.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].text |
因為我們每年就有這個都導考核 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].start |
16452.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].end |
16454.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].text |
對所有的診所本來就要做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].start |
16454.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].end |
16456.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].text |
那只是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].start |
16456.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].end |
16458.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].text |
我們把優先順序要調一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].start |
16458.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].end |
16460.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].text |
哪一些先優先 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].start |
16460.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].end |
16462.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].text |
這就涉及這個偷拍的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].start |
16462.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].end |
16464.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].text |
那所以普查會做就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].start |
16464.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].end |
16466.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].text |
因為本來每年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].start |
16466.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].end |
16468.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].text |
就會查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].start |
16468.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].end |
16470.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].text |
只是說我們現在把那個順序調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].start |
16470.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].end |
16472.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].text |
還有查的那個內容上去強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].start |
16472.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].end |
16474.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].text |
特別是對這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].start |
16474.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].end |
16476.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].text |
事件相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].start |
16476.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].end |
16478.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].text |
那所以這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].start |
16478.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].end |
16480.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].text |
所謂的針對偷拍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].start |
16480.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].end |
16482.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].text |
的這個普查大概哪時候會開始進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].start |
16483.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].end |
16485.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].text |
5月13號就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].start |
16485.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].end |
16487.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].text |
你們是不是開會嗎 5月13號是開會嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].start |
16487.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].end |
16489.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].text |
對開會有個共識怎麼進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].start |
16489.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].end |
16491.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].text |
對阿我列明說哪時候開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].start |
16491.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].end |
16493.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].start |
16493.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].end |
16495.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].text |
補充一下因為每一個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].start |
16495.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].end |
16497.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].text |
政府他的那個都好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].start |
16497.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].end |
16499.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].text |
考試的時間不太一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].start |
16499.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].end |
16501.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].text |
會從7月到9月甚至到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].start |
16501.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].end |
16503.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].text |
10月都不等所以我們才會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].start |
16503.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].end |
16505.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].text |
5月13號先把一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].start |
16505.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].end |
16507.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].text |
遊戲規則律定以後請大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].start |
16507.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].end |
16509.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].text |
按他的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].start |
16509.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].end |
16511.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].text |
應該優先去做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].start |
16511.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].end |
16513.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].text |
那到底是7月9月10月 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].start |
16513.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].end |
16515.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].text |
這個地方5月13號的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].start |
16515.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].end |
16517.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].text |
會再做一次律定希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[6718].start |
16517.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6718].end |
16519.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6718].text |
不可能到7月9月到11月吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].start |
16519.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].end |
16521.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].text |
對所以希望提前才會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].start |
16521.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].end |
16523.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].text |
那原本有既定的行程 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].start |
16523.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].end |
16525.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].text |
需要時間去做相對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].start |
16525.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].end |
16527.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].text |
溝通因為我看那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].start |
16527.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].end |
16529.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].text |
新聞會提早會優先 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].start |
16529.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].end |
16531.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].text |
把這個事件相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].start |
16531.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].end |
16533.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].text |
先列出因為這個大 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].start |
16533.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].end |
16535.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].text |
縣跟小縣有的縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].start |
16535.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].end |
16537.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].text |
沒有幾家有的縣市很多家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].start |
16537.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].end |
16539.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].text |
所以需要有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].start |
16539.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].end |
16541.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].text |
優先順序會提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].start |
16541.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].end |
16543.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].text |
我們會要求對這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].start |
16543.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].end |
16545.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].text |
會提早開始跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].start |
16545.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].end |
16547.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].text |
相關的會因為我看 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].start |
16547.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].end |
16549.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].text |
那個媒體報導說新北高雄已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].start |
16549.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].end |
16551.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].text |
開始做普查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].start |
16551.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].end |
16553.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].text |
這是他們自己先做就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].start |
16553.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].end |
16555.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].text |
那其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].start |
16555.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].end |
16557.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].text |
我認為六都應該都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].start |
16557.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].end |
16559.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].text |
有辦法來先做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].start |
16559.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].end |
16561.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].text |
本來就在查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].start |
16561.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].end |
16563.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].text |
只是我們把他提早 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].start |
16563.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].end |
16565.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].text |
然後優先順位提前這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6742].start |
16565.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6742].end |
16567.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6742].text |
那再請教一下部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6743].start |
16567.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6743].end |
16569.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6743].text |
那你剛剛有提到就是說偷拍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6744].start |
16569.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6744].end |
16571.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6744].text |
偷拍目前有涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].start |
16571.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].end |
16573.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].text |
這些民刑事的法律責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].start |
16573.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].end |
16575.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].text |
包含刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6747].start |
16575.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6747].end |
16577.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6747].text |
剛有提到說妨礙秘密罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].start |
16577.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].end |
16579.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].text |
那也包含這個妨礙性隱私 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].start |
16579.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].end |
16581.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].text |
還有不實性隱相的罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[6750].start |
16581.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6750].end |
16583.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6750].text |
然後也有違反到個人資料的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].start |
16583.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].end |
16585.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].text |
保護法那請教一下部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].start |
16585.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].end |
16587.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].text |
那有違反醫療法的哪個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].start |
16587.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].end |
16589.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].text |
醫療法的話就是目前是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].start |
16589.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].end |
16591.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].text |
醫療法72條跟108條 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].start |
16591.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].end |
16593.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].text |
的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6756].start |
16593.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6756].end |
16595.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6756].text |
72條不是真的偷拍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].start |
16595.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].end |
16597.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].text |
他是洩漏嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].start |
16597.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].end |
16599.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].text |
108條的話在第六 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].start |
16599.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].end |
16601.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].text |
有這個傷害風化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].start |
16601.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].end |
16603.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].text |
那個部分有明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].start |
16603.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].end |
16605.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].text |
所以我是要跟你討論就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].start |
16605.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].end |
16607.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].text |
因為我看你今天在回覆就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].start |
16607.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].end |
16609.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].text |
在講說是72條 |
| transcript.whisperx[6764].start |
16609.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6764].end |
16611.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6764].text |
但是72條是洩漏病人的隱私學量 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].start |
16611.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].end |
16613.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].text |
還有108條 |
| transcript.whisperx[6766].start |
16613.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6766].end |
16615.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6766].text |
兩個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[6767].start |
16615.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6767].end |
16617.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6767].text |
但是我們今天是講到偷拍這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6768].start |
16617.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6768].end |
16619.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6768].text |
那我是說在醫療法這部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].start |
16619.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].end |
16621.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].text |
可不可以特別針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].start |
16621.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].end |
16623.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].text |
偷拍因為你們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].start |
16623.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].end |
16625.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].text |
只有一個醫療機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].start |
16625.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].end |
16627.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].text |
醫療隱私維護的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].start |
16627.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].end |
16629.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].text |
是不是只有這個規範在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].start |
16629.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].end |
16631.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].text |
這規範才4條 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].start |
16631.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].end |
16633.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].text |
我去看了一下才4條 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].start |
16633.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].end |
16635.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].text |
提到說如果說這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].start |
16635.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].end |
16637.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].text |
醫病雙方要進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].start |
16637.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].end |
16639.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].text |
錄音錄影要先取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].start |
16639.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].end |
16641.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].text |
對方的同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].start |
16641.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].end |
16643.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].text |
那我們今天不是說要取得對方同意這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].start |
16643.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].end |
16645.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].text |
但是等一下還會再提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].start |
16645.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].end |
16647.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].text |
我們今天講的是偷拍這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].start |
16647.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].end |
16649.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].text |
偷拍偷拍我根本不知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].start |
16649.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].end |
16651.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].text |
我被拍了啊我怎麼還去取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].start |
16651.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].end |
16653.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].text |
對方的這個同意咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].start |
16653.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].end |
16655.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].text |
那我是要問部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].start |
16655.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].end |
16657.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].text |
除了我們剛才講的刑法個人資料保護法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].start |
16657.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].end |
16659.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].text |
有沒有必要在醫療法這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].start |
16659.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].end |
16661.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].text |
特別針對這個偷拍這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].start |
16661.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].end |
16663.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].text |
來做這個規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].start |
16663.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].end |
16665.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].text |
偷拍本身就是一個違法行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].start |
16665.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].end |
16667.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].text |
所以沒有什麼規範好定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].start |
16667.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].end |
16669.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].text |
因為他只要偷拍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].start |
16669.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].end |
16671.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].text |
因為你們也有一個規範啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].start |
16671.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].end |
16673.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].text |
那我們要做的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].start |
16673.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].end |
16675.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].text |
這個規範沒有強制力嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].start |
16675.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].end |
16677.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].text |
我們要做的事情是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].start |
16677.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].end |
16679.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].text |
在合法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].start |
16679.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].end |
16681.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].text |
如何去強化管理者的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].start |
16681.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].end |
16683.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].text |
避免了有不孝之徒 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].start |
16683.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].end |
16685.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].text |
來偷拍啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].start |
16685.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].end |
16687.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].text |
應該是這樣因為偷拍本身這個行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].start |
16687.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].end |
16689.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].text |
就違法所以我們不會去定一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].start |
16689.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].end |
16691.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].text |
說什麼情況之下可以偷拍不會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].start |
16691.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].end |
16693.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].text |
不是這個意思啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].start |
16693.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].end |
16695.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].text |
因為你們目前只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].start |
16695.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].end |
16697.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].text |
這個維護的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].start |
16697.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].end |
16699.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].text |
那個違法未接太低 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].start |
16699.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].end |
16701.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].text |
就是去強化這個管理者的責任嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].start |
16701.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].end |
16703.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].text |
說你要在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].start |
16703.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].end |
16705.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].text |
你在如果你需要錄影的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].start |
16705.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].end |
16707.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].text |
要合法的情形之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].start |
16707.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].end |
16711.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].text |
還是要取得告知同意的這個動作嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].start |
16711.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].end |
16713.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].text |
所以說我們會來研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].start |
16713.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].end |
16715.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].text |
把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].start |
16715.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].end |
16717.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].text |
強化這個管理者的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].start |
16717.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].end |
16721.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].text |
如何避免有這個不孝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].start |
16721.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].end |
16723.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].text |
這個侵犯隱私的事情發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].start |
16723.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].end |
16725.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].text |
那包含這個偷拍等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].start |
16725.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].end |
16727.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].text |
如果你去防範包含你的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].start |
16727.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].end |
16729.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].text |
資訊系統被侵入 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].start |
16729.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].end |
16731.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].text |
所以你要強化如何反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].start |
16731.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].end |
16733.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].text |
我們都有知同法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].start |
16733.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].end |
16735.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].text |
知安法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].start |
16735.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].end |
16737.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].text |
那所以講的這些補修 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].start |
16737.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].end |
16739.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].text |
這些措施還是用這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].start |
16739.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].end |
16741.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].text |
我認為未接比我低的規範來做處理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].start |
16741.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].end |
16743.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].text |
還是你們要再 |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].start |
16743.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].end |
16745.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].text |
我們具有強制性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].start |
16745.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].end |
16747.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].text |
我們具有強制性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].start |
16747.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].end |
16749.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].text |
我們回頭來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].start |
16749.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].end |
16751.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].text |
我們回頭來看我們現在相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].start |
16751.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].end |
16753.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].text |
這個授權法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].start |
16753.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].end |
16755.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].text |
來取得我們設 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].start |
16755.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].end |
16757.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].text |
這樣的規範之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].start |
16757.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].end |
16759.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].text |
要依附在哪一個授權法規比較合適 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].start |
16759.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].end |
16761.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].text |
比如說我們有醫療機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].start |
16761.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].end |
16763.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].text |
電子病歷製作及管理辦法 |
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這個跟個人隱私也有關係的 |
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那麼或者是知同法 |
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裡面也有授權 |
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我的意思是說法的強制性是最強 |
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那違法就是有相關的處罰嘛 |
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可是目前我找到的 |
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就只有這個規範 |
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規範未接很低啊 |
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就是說沒辦法去處理到說 |
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這一個 |
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我們這個病人的 |
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消費者隱私這部分的問題 |
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其實對違法者目前 |
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的相對應的法則都有了 |
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您剛剛提到的 |
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醫療法沒有 |
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我們現在醫療法做的事情 |
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只是對於管理者的 |
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責任如何強化 |
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那是這樣 |
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來預防這個違法樣態的 |
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出現 |
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就是說你們來討論一下 |
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如果是故意所為的話 |
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那現在都已經可以罰了 |
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我的意思是說 |
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我也知道有新法有 |
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個人隱私保護法有 |
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但是這是關係到說我們在醫療機構 |
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所遇到的一些問題 |
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但是我看一下目前醫療法 |
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沒有一個法處理到這部分 |
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那找一找就只有一個規範 |
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那我認為說這個規範 |
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位階比較低 |
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那剛才部長有提到說 |
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有很多相關問題因為這件事情所引發出來的 |
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那你們也要做一些討論跟修正 |
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只是說要把這一塊 |
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放在哪裡嘛對不對 |
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那好那大概你們 |
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總是要有個時間出來吧 |
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大概多久會把這個 |
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這部分你所提到這些問題 |
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來做個處理 |
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謝謝大家 |
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這個定這個相關的規範 |
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那麼大概也要一點時間 |
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違法樣態 |
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如何的裁罰這個很快 |
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這一兩個禮拜 |
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就會把它確定 |
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如何裁罰 |
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那至於要定這個規範 |
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然後依附在哪一個 |
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授權辦法裡面 |
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可能要我們一點時間 |
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可能兩三個月的時間把它擬進去 |
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最後我再問主席不好意思 |
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就是說現在 |
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在主張就是說 |
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這個當時你進來 |
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不論是做陰莓或是做其他的這個 |
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的一個診療 |
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他說你已經簽同意書了 |
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同意我們錄影了可是老實講 |
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一般人不會看到這麼細 |
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那我們也不知道說 |
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現在業者拿著說你當初 |
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你有這個簽字當作你已經同意我們錄影了 |
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那請問一下 |
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我們對於目前的這一種就是說 |
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這種定型化契約 |
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有沒有做出一些指引的規範 |
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沒有 |
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那要不要做出一個指引的規範 |
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定型化契約喔 |
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我的意思就是說每一家可能都不一樣 |
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每一家都不一樣 |
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那現在也就是說你應該有簽名了 |
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定型化契約有指出 |
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哪一些是該寫出來的 |
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哪一些是不應該寫出來的 |
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這個都要做一些規範 |
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因為這個就回到消保法 |
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所以這個是不一樣的 |
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所以如果剛剛委員提的是 |
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由我們找到跟醫療法相關 |
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或者是其他法規 |
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授權給主管機關 |
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那麼有一個辦法的話就不需要這個契約 |
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如果其他沒有 |
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那當然也可以用消保法的 |
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16951.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6932].text |
定型化契約來處理 |
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16951.49 |
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16953.49 |
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這個你們來跟 |
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消保會來做個 |
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做個研究啦 |
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好不好 因為很多消費者 |
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他其實當你要 |
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16963.49 |
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要簽約的時候根本其實不會看到 |
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那麼細 而且每一家 |
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16967.49 |
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可能規範寫的內容也不一樣 |
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16969.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6941].text |
契約內容可能不一樣 |
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16971.49 |
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對啊好不好 這部分你們來跟消保 |
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16973.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6943].text |
我們拿一個法規工具比較好 |
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16975.49 |
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對啊 好不好 來做個處理 |
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16977.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6945].text |
因為現在大家都很關心這件事情 |
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謝謝主席 |
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16981.49 |
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謝謝李昆辰委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].start |
16981.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].end |
16983.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].text |
接下來請越原之委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].start |
16993.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].end |
16995.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].text |
主席好 麻煩請衛福部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].start |
16995.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].end |
16997.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].text |
請石成良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].start |
16999.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].end |
17001.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].text |
越原好 部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].start |
17001.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].end |
17003.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].text |
上禮拜五我們通過三班護併比入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].start |
17003.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].end |
17005.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].text |
其實是要想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].start |
17005.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].end |
17007.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].text |
解決醫院護理師缺乏的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].start |
17007.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].end |
17009.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].text |
希望能夠改善他們的環境 |
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17009.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].end |
17011.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].text |
那這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].start |
17011.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].end |
17013.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].text |
其實是賴總統在選舉的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].start |
17013.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].end |
17015.56 |
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的莊嚴承諾啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].start |
17015.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].end |
17017.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].text |
兩年內要入法 那賴總統沒有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].start |
17017.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].end |
17019.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].text |
新政院也沒版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].start |
17019.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].end |
17021.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].text |
在黨推了之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].start |
17021.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].end |
17023.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].text |
衛福部又說要延緩執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].start |
17023.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].end |
17025.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].text |
等一下我再來跟你討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].start |
17025.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].end |
17027.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].text |
那我想要提另外一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].start |
17027.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].end |
17029.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].text |
那就是像想要解決醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].start |
17029.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].end |
17031.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].text |
醫護人力不足的問題的另外一個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].start |
17031.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].end |
17033.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].text |
今天我才聽說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6968].start |
17033.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6968].end |
17035.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6968].text |
有大醫院也有兩個主治醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[6969].start |
17035.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6969].end |
17037.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6969].text |
要離開啦 為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6970].start |
17037.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6970].end |
17039.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6970].text |
因為診所的待遇就是比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6971].start |
17039.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6971].end |
17041.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6971].text |
還有一個很重要的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].start |
17041.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].end |
17043.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].text |
其實衛福部也知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].start |
17043.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].end |
17045.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].text |
就是診所醫師他們的所得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6974].start |
17045.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6974].end |
17047.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6974].text |
實際上可以扣掉大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].start |
17047.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].end |
17049.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].text |
接近80% |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].start |
17049.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].end |
17051.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].text |
的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6977].start |
17051.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6977].end |
17053.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6977].text |
當作是他的執行業務的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].start |
17053.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].end |
17055.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].text |
他大概要報稅只有20%左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[6979].start |
17055.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6979].end |
17057.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6979].text |
但是如果是在醫院的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].start |
17057.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].end |
17059.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].text |
當醫院的主治醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].start |
17059.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].end |
17061.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].text |
他不是用勞基法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6982].start |
17061.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6982].end |
17063.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6982].text |
然後他的所有的所得通通都要報稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].start |
17063.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].end |
17065.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].text |
那我看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].start |
17065.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].end |
17067.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].text |
之前應該也是賴總統吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].start |
17067.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].end |
17069.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].text |
他在2025年的5月 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].start |
17069.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].end |
17071.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].text |
也有注意到這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].start |
17071.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].end |
17073.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].text |
然後開了一個健康台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].start |
17073.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].end |
17075.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].text |
論壇就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].start |
17075.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].end |
17077.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].text |
希望醫院的主治醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].start |
17077.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].end |
17079.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].text |
加班費可以免繳所得稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].start |
17079.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].end |
17081.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].text |
注意只有加班費免繳所得稅喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].start |
17081.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].end |
17083.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].start |
17083.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].end |
17085.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].text |
免繳所得稅喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].start |
17085.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].end |
17087.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].text |
是加班費免繳所得稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].start |
17088.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].end |
17090.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].text |
那這個我完全贊成為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].start |
17090.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].end |
17092.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].text |
因為他也不會負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].start |
17092.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].end |
17094.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].text |
不會增加任何衛福部的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].start |
17094.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].end |
17096.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].text |
他只是掃腳稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].start |
17096.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].end |
17098.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].text |
那問題是這個事情已經拖多久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].start |
17098.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].end |
17100.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].text |
2025年的5月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].start |
17100.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].end |
17102.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].text |
就講囉 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].start |
17102.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].end |
17104.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].text |
今天已經是2026年的5月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].start |
17104.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].end |
17106.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].text |
我是不知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].start |
17106.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].end |
17108.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].text |
做這樣的一個事情為什麼要拖到一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].start |
17108.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].end |
17110.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].text |
這麼久 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].start |
17110.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].end |
17112.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].text |
你說三班護病比你的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].start |
17112.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].end |
17114.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].text |
是講說要給醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].start |
17114.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].end |
17116.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].text |
要讓醫院準備什麼之類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].start |
17116.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].end |
17118.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].text |
這個問題等一下再跟你討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].start |
17118.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].end |
17120.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].text |
但是醫生這個東西是為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].start |
17120.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].end |
17122.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].text |
要拖這麼久包括部長你本人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].start |
17123.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].end |
17125.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].text |
你本人自己在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].start |
17125.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].end |
17127.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].text |
今年的過年前 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].start |
17127.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].end |
17129.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].text |
也都講說你們已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].start |
17129.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].end |
17131.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].text |
會很積極的去跟財政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].start |
17131.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].end |
17133.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].text |
跟人事行政總督去說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].start |
17133.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].end |
17135.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].text |
而且會發函你自己講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].start |
17135.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].end |
17137.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].text |
說最快的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].start |
17137.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].end |
17139.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].text |
今年5月份報稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].start |
17139.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].end |
17141.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].text |
那些醫生就可以試用 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].start |
17141.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].end |
17143.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].text |
那今天現在已經在報稅了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].start |
17143.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].end |
17145.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].text |
請問一下部長他們今年可以試用嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].start |
17145.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].end |
17147.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].text |
跟委員說明其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].start |
17147.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].end |
17149.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].text |
我們的想法是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].start |
17149.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].end |
17151.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].text |
這個是一個附稅公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].start |
17151.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].end |
17153.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].text |
因為根據所得稅法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].start |
17153.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].end |
17155.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].text |
14條的規定加班費的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].start |
17155.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].end |
17157.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].text |
就是可以免稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].start |
17157.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].end |
17159.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].text |
不過在這個推動過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].start |
17159.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].end |
17161.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].text |
我們也低估了他的複雜性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].start |
17161.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].end |
17163.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].text |
因為他有各種不同的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].start |
17163.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].end |
17165.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].text |
那麼舉例而言 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].start |
17165.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].end |
17167.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].text |
在公立醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].start |
17167.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].end |
17169.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].text |
就有公立醫院的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].start |
17169.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].end |
17171.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].text |
那麼退輔會醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].start |
17171.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].end |
17173.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].text |
有退輔會醫院的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].start |
17173.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].end |
17175.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].text |
那麼在軍醫院有軍醫院的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].start |
17175.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].end |
17177.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].text |
所以加班費的資金這個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].start |
17177.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].end |
17179.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].text |
對於加班費免稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].start |
17179.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].end |
17181.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].text |
這件事情大家有共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].start |
17181.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].end |
17183.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].text |
但是各自還受到一些法規的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].start |
17183.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].end |
17185.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].text |
所以我們目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].start |
17185.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].end |
17187.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].text |
也還需要再調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].start |
17187.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].end |
17189.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].text |
這個行政院有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].start |
17189.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].end |
17191.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].text |
我跟你講做任何的改變都會有複雜性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].start |
17191.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].end |
17193.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].text |
對對對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].start |
17193.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].end |
17195.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].text |
看你花多少時間跟心力處理而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].start |
17195.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].end |
17197.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].text |
所以目前也到了最後一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].start |
17197.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].end |
17199.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].text |
部長因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].start |
17199.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].end |
17201.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].text |
去年五月的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].start |
17201.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].end |
17203.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].text |
那你今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].start |
17203.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].end |
17205.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].text |
年初過年前有講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].start |
17205.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].end |
17207.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].text |
說最快希望今年五月 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].start |
17207.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].end |
17209.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].text |
可以實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].start |
17209.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].end |
17211.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].text |
換言之從去年五月總統承諾 |
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到今年年初過年前 |
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17215.37 |
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你的承諾應該已經大概 |
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八九個月 |
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17219.37 |
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你這八九個月你都不知道事情的複雜性 |
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17219.37 |
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一直在解決 |
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結果你過年前 |
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如果說 |
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17227.37 |
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你過年前就知道這個複雜性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7064].start |
17227.37 |
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17229.37 |
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你會講出今年五月 |
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17229.37 |
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17231.37 |
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份可以最快 |
| transcript.whisperx[7066].start |
17231.37 |
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17233.37 |
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可以實施的這樣一個承諾嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7067].start |
17233.37 |
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17235.37 |
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現在我們不能接受的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].start |
17235.37 |
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17237.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].text |
每一個都是你們自己的承諾一個個跳票 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].start |
17237.37 |
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17239.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].text |
然後問你為什麼跳票 |
| transcript.whisperx[7070].start |
17239.37 |
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17241.37 |
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因為我低估了事情的複雜性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].start |
17241.37 |
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17243.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].text |
那你當初為什麼要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].start |
17243.37 |
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17245.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].text |
為什麼2024年選舉前他要承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].start |
17245.37 |
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17247.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].text |
三班護病免入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7074].start |
17247.37 |
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17249.37 |
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那他那時候是隨便講講嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7075].start |
17249.37 |
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17251.37 |
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部長你今年年初 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].start |
17251.37 |
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17253.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].text |
承諾醫生說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].start |
17253.37 |
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17255.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].text |
今年過今年就可以報稅 |
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17255.37 |
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17257.37 |
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就可以實施那也是隨便講講嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].start |
17258.68 |
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17260.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].text |
大家不能接受是為什麼我們每一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].start |
17260.68 |
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17262.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].text |
政務官包括總統在內 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].start |
17262.68 |
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17264.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].text |
講出來的承諾都可以隨便講講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].start |
17264.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].end |
17266.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].text |
然後再問就是不好意思我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].start |
17266.68 |
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17268.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].text |
低估了複雜性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].start |
17268.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].end |
17270.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].text |
那以後你們講的話哪一句話大家可以相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].start |
17270.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].end |
17272.68 |
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都在進行當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].start |
17272.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].end |
17274.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].text |
那問題是要進行到什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].start |
17274.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].end |
17276.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].text |
大約在冬季嗎還是牛年馬月 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].start |
17276.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].end |
17278.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].text |
每個事情都在進行當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].start |
17278.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].end |
17280.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].text |
關鍵是什麼時候處理好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].start |
17280.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].end |
17282.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].text |
請大家放心 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].start |
17282.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].end |
17284.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].text |
那你什麼時候你再給一個承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].start |
17284.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].end |
17286.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].text |
什麼時候明年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].start |
17286.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].end |
17288.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].text |
是不是又要兩年後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].start |
17288.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].end |
17290.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].text |
最後的裁定當然在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].start |
17290.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].end |
17292.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].text |
是不是又要兩年後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].start |
17292.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].end |
17294.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].text |
因為這個稅賦的主管機關是財政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].start |
17294.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].end |
17296.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].text |
那我們做盡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].start |
17296.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].end |
17298.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].text |
今天不管什麼部啦因為這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].start |
17298.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].end |
17300.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].text |
如果是總統講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].start |
17300.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].end |
17302.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].text |
總統講的那什麼部都不是問題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].start |
17302.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].end |
17304.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].text |
如果今天是衛福部講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].start |
17304.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].end |
17306.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].text |
你說那我要問財政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].start |
17306.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].end |
17308.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].text |
那我想因為你評計機關你要溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].start |
17308.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].end |
17310.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].text |
那如果是總統講的總統搞不定財政部嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].start |
17312.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].end |
17314.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].text |
所以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].start |
17314.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].end |
17316.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].text |
說不過去啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].start |
17316.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].end |
17318.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].text |
而且部長我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].start |
17318.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].end |
17320.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].text |
今年確定可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].start |
17320.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].end |
17322.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].text |
今年一定會確定啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].start |
17322.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].end |
17324.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].text |
今年的五月報稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].start |
17324.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].end |
17326.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].text |
報稅可能來不及了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].start |
17326.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].end |
17328.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].text |
那你之前說要趕今年啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].start |
17328.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].end |
17330.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].text |
去年五月總統說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].start |
17330.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].end |
17332.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].text |
總統去年五月就講了啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7115].start |
17332.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7115].end |
17334.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7115].text |
然後今年過年前你也說要趕今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7116].start |
17334.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7116].end |
17336.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7116].text |
現在你要準備報稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[7117].start |
17336.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7117].end |
17338.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7117].text |
部長你看喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[7118].start |
17338.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7118].end |
17340.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7118].text |
發佈都是隔年實施啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7119].start |
17340.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7119].end |
17342.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7119].text |
這個我幫你畫出來的好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7120].start |
17342.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7120].end |
17344.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7120].text |
你自己唸一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7121].start |
17345.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7121].end |
17347.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7121].text |
你唸一下好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].start |
17347.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].end |
17349.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].text |
紅線你唸一下好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7123].start |
17349.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7123].end |
17351.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7123].text |
紅線你唸一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].start |
17351.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].end |
17353.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].text |
時松良說時松良是你本人嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7125].start |
17353.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7125].end |
17355.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7125].text |
你唸一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7126].start |
17354.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7126].end |
17356.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7126].text |
你唸一下紅線部分嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7127].start |
17356.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7127].end |
17358.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7127].text |
你唸一下紅線部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7128].start |
17358.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7128].end |
17360.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7128].text |
你一個字一個字唸出來好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7129].start |
17360.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7129].end |
17362.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7129].text |
你不敢唸我唸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7130].start |
17362.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7130].end |
17364.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7130].text |
時松良說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].start |
17364.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].end |
17366.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].text |
如果醫院已請醫師打卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].start |
17366.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].end |
17368.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].text |
記錄清楚符合規定者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7133].start |
17368.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7133].end |
17370.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7133].text |
今年就可以試用 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].start |
17370.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].end |
17372.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].text |
這個是我們的規劃是希望這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].start |
17372.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].end |
17374.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].text |
那但是因為希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[7136].start |
17374.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7136].end |
17376.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7136].text |
全國的一致性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7137].start |
17376.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7137].end |
17378.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7137].text |
你有講嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7138].start |
17378.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7138].end |
17380.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7138].text |
那你的承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].start |
17380.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].end |
17382.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].text |
已經造成什麼狀況了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7140].start |
17382.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7140].end |
17384.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7140].text |
在網路上大家已經在講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7141].start |
17384.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7141].end |
17386.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7141].text |
因為你不行今年又來不及了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7142].start |
17386.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7142].end |
17390.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7142].text |
然後網友說結果醫師上班都要趕著打卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7143].start |
17390.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7143].end |
17392.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7143].text |
是在打辛酸的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7144].start |
17393.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7144].end |
17395.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7144].text |
然後因為部長的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7145].start |
17395.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7145].end |
17397.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7145].text |
等一下部長等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7146].start |
17397.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7146].end |
17399.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7146].text |
然後網友說因為這個消息 |
| transcript.whisperx[7147].start |
17399.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7147].end |
17401.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7147].text |
各家醫院開始管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[7148].start |
17401.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7148].end |
17403.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7148].text |
主治醫師上班打卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7149].start |
17403.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7149].end |
17405.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7149].text |
然後有人講說衛福部的話就信 |
| transcript.whisperx[7150].start |
17405.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7150].end |
17407.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7150].text |
食都可以吃了吧看看三班護病名就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7151].start |
17409.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7151].end |
17411.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7151].text |
這網友講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7152].start |
17412.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7152].end |
17414.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7152].text |
人家已經開始管制打卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7153].start |
17414.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7153].end |
17416.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7153].text |
跟大家講因為主治醫師是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7154].start |
17416.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7154].end |
17418.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7154].text |
本來是不用打卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7155].start |
17418.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7155].end |
17420.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7155].text |
為了配合衛福部說今年有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[7156].start |
17420.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7156].end |
17422.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7156].text |
加班被免稅現在已經開始管制打卡了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7157].start |
17422.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7157].end |
17424.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7157].text |
結果部長講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7158].start |
17424.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7158].end |
17426.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7158].text |
因為我們低估了事情的複雜性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7159].start |
17426.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7159].end |
17428.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7159].text |
所以呢不好意思喔我們在進行當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7160].start |
17428.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7160].end |
17430.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7160].text |
但什麼時候我就不敢講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7161].start |
17431.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7161].end |
17433.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7161].text |
那你這段時間醫師就一個一個離開醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7162].start |
17435.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7162].end |
17437.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7162].text |
不會現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[7163].start |
17437.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7163].end |
17439.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7163].text |
不會我今天就已經拼到了啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7164].start |
17439.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7164].end |
17441.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7164].text |
把這個制度建立好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7165].start |
17441.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7165].end |
17443.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7165].text |
我今天就什麼時候嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7166].start |
17443.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7166].end |
17445.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7166].text |
明年報罪來得及嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].start |
17445.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].end |
17447.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].text |
一定來得及 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].start |
17447.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].end |
17449.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].text |
那會不會明年的時候又在講說對不起 |
| transcript.whisperx[7169].start |
17449.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7169].end |
17451.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7169].text |
我們又低估了事情的複雜性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].start |
17451.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].end |
17453.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].text |
但是要現在開始準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].start |
17453.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].end |
17455.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].text |
早就該準備了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].start |
17455.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].end |
17457.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].text |
部長這個是去年五月總統講的東西嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7173].start |
17457.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7173].end |
17459.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7173].text |
你現在才說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].start |
17459.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].end |
17461.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].text |
要提早準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].start |
17461.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].end |
17463.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].text |
過了一年你說我要提早準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].start |
17463.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].end |
17465.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].text |
醫院本來就準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].start |
17465.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].end |
17467.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].text |
可是你看那個醫生說現在都趕著打卡了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].start |
17467.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].end |
17469.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].text |
你那個技術問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].start |
17469.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].end |
17471.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].text |
有的醫院已經配合了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].start |
17471.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].end |
17473.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].text |
對對對我們需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].start |
17473.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].end |
17475.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].text |
大家都配合會比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].start |
17475.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].end |
17477.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].text |
那大家配合你去講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].start |
17477.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].end |
17479.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].text |
人家沒有不配合啊我問了幾間醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].start |
17479.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].end |
17481.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].text |
幫助醫院留住醫生 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].start |
17481.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].end |
17483.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].text |
誰會不配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].start |
17483.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].end |
17485.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].text |
現在的問題是你的問題嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7187].start |
17487.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7187].end |
17489.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7187].text |
這個要積極一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].start |
17489.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].end |
17491.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].text |
護理師留師沒要沒要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].start |
17491.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].end |
17493.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].text |
院長講說要不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].start |
17493.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].end |
17495.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].text |
叫那個考試院簡單一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].start |
17495.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].end |
17497.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].text |
我在網路上看到護理師在酸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].start |
17497.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].end |
17499.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].text |
那個總統太院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].start |
17499.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].end |
17501.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].text |
有一個護理師講說他那時候因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].start |
17501.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].end |
17503.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].text |
在疫情期間沒有學習 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].start |
17503.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].end |
17505.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].text |
怎麼抽痰他就到了學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].start |
17505.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].end |
17507.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].text |
到醫院才開始學抽痰結果讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].start |
17507.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].end |
17509.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].text |
學姐還花很多時間教他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].start |
17509.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].end |
17511.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].text |
所以你現在不考那些技術的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].start |
17511.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].end |
17513.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].text |
到時候資深護理師 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].start |
17513.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].end |
17515.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].text |
還要花很多時間去教學弟妹 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].start |
17515.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].end |
17517.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].text |
又加重他們的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].start |
17517.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].end |
17519.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].text |
那個是在實習當中要去完備的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].start |
17519.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].end |
17521.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].text |
那個也不是用筆試考出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].start |
17521.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].end |
17523.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].text |
那你不考也很奇怪嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].start |
17523.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].end |
17525.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].text |
所以院長本人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].start |
17525.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].end |
17527.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].text |
也沒有被這下藥嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].start |
17527.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].end |
17529.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].text |
有些是要實習的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].start |
17529.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].end |
17531.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].text |
然後三班護理筆入法你又說兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].start |
17531.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].end |
17533.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].text |
那你確定兩年之後就OK你現在擔心問題就OK喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].start |
17535.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].end |
17537.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].text |
我們做人力的評估之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].start |
17537.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].end |
17539.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].text |
那麼才會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].start |
17539.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].end |
17541.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].text |
所以兩年之後護理師就會夠了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].start |
17541.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].end |
17543.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].text |
就可以十四三班護理筆了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].start |
17543.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].end |
17545.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].start |
17545.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].end |
17547.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].text |
你承諾是這樣子兩年後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].start |
17547.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].end |
17549.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].text |
然後兩年後就會夠了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].start |
17549.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].end |
17551.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].text |
你講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].start |
17551.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].end |
17553.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].text |
兩年後就會夠了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].start |
17553.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].end |
17555.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].text |
最後問一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].start |
17555.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].end |
17557.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].text |
現在很多人反應喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].start |
17558.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].end |
17560.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].start |
17559.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].end |
17561.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].text |
每一戰爭的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].start |
17561.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].end |
17563.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].text |
很多醫材都缺乏 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].start |
17563.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].end |
17565.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].text |
有人講說包括那個器械用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7225].start |
17566.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7225].end |
17568.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7225].text |
然後跟去很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].start |
17568.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].end |
17570.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].text |
輔具商店都買不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].start |
17570.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].end |
17572.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].text |
然後講說要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].start |
17572.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].end |
17574.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].text |
大型的輔具店買 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].start |
17574.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].end |
17576.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].text |
然後打了幾家也都買不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].start |
17577.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].end |
17579.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].text |
那我是知道說現在藥局 |
| transcript.whisperx[7231].start |
17579.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7231].end |
17581.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7231].text |
很多塑膠類的東西都長了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].start |
17581.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].end |
17583.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].text |
都有長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].start |
17583.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].end |
17585.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].text |
酒精啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].start |
17585.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].end |
17587.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].text |
因為他有用到塑膠瓶子嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].start |
17587.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].end |
17589.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].text |
然後還有什麼乳膠手套 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].start |
17589.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].end |
17591.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].text |
有的是長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].start |
17590.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].end |
17592.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].text |
但是缺貨更麻煩 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].start |
17592.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].end |
17594.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].text |
缺貨就更麻煩 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].start |
17594.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].end |
17596.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].text |
那缺貨其中有一個原因是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].start |
17596.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].end |
17598.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].text |
上游廠商可能顧慮到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].start |
17598.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].end |
17600.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].text |
是不是之後價格波動太大 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].start |
17600.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].end |
17602.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].text |
所以暫時不出貨這也是個原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].start |
17602.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].end |
17604.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].text |
那請問一下為什麼會出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].start |
17604.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].end |
17606.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].text |
市面上會這種買不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].start |
17606.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].end |
17608.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].text |
器械用抽彈管的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].start |
17608.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].end |
17610.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].text |
應該沒有買不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].start |
17610.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].end |
17612.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].text |
就民眾講的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].start |
17612.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].end |
17614.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].text |
為什麼跟你反應事情你都是先否認的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].start |
17614.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].end |
17616.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].text |
那是民眾在亂講嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].start |
17616.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].end |
17618.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].text |
他無緣故要亂講這是幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].start |
17618.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].end |
17620.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].text |
我們在這個行政院的平台呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].start |
17620.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].end |
17622.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].text |
那麼經濟部有協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].start |
17622.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].end |
17624.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].text |
對於這個巨蟻蜥的供應 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].start |
17624.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].end |
17626.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].text |
醫療的部分是優先的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].start |
17626.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].end |
17628.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].text |
所以醫材的製造會被優先 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].start |
17628.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].end |
17630.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].text |
所以如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].start |
17630.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].end |
17632.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].text |
部長不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].start |
17632.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].end |
17634.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].text |
打斷你一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].start |
17634.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].end |
17636.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].text |
這個就是民眾反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].start |
17636.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].end |
17638.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].text |
他就是買不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].start |
17638.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].end |
17640.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].text |
那你覺得買得到人家說買不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].start |
17640.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].end |
17642.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].text |
那問題是出在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].start |
17642.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].end |
17644.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].text |
除非這個民眾這麼無聊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].start |
17644.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].end |
17646.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].text |
故意去講說買不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].start |
17646.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].end |
17648.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].text |
一定是很急的情況才會反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].start |
17648.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].end |
17650.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].text |
那你知道這個訊息你應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].start |
17650.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].end |
17652.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].text |
去了解一下你的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].start |
17652.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].end |
17654.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].text |
跟實務上有什麼落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].start |
17654.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].end |
17656.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].text |
而不是你一直在解釋說不可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].start |
17656.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].end |
17658.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].text |
那一定是有問題嘛就像以前我 |
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一直反應缺藥問題你們就講說 |
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不會啊我們有個缺藥平台有缺藥一定會 |
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上去登錄但是問題是很多藥局 |
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是連登錄都懶得登錄 |
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因為登錄也沒有用 |
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所以你應該是要去了解 |
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問題在哪裡不是一味的否定 |
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民眾的建議 |
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的問題 |
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因為確實我們沒有接受到 |
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17680.61 |
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那我現在告訴你 |
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17680.61 |
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現在就是說 |
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很多民眾 |
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有民眾的反應買不到 |
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17686.61 |
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17688.61 |
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器械用的抽彈管一般府區店買不到 |
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17688.61 |
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17690.61 |
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然後小的府區店說你去問 |
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大型的連鎖的那他問了 |
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大型的連鎖也是買 |
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很多家裡面只有幾家有 |
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跟委員報告一下針對這件事情 |
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大概是十天前左右 |
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17700.57 |
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17702.57 |
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我們就去為了這件事情去 |
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17702.57 |
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17704.57 |
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確立所有的供應商 |
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17704.57 |
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17706.57 |
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供應商給我們的答案是供應 |
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是都可以滿足的 |
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17710.57 |
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但供應的所有頻率稍微 |
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17710.57 |
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有拉長一點我說那你一定要讓 |
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17714.57 |
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民眾可以用得到所以我們希望 |
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17714.57 |
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17716.57 |
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他在調控能夠做些修正 |
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17716.57 |
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17718.57 |
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所以他也協助了我們做這件事情 |
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17718.57 |
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17720.57 |
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那我們會持續對這個 |
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17720.57 |
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17722.57 |
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我得到是今天的 |
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17722.57 |
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17724.57 |
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今天那我會持續講 |
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17724.57 |
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17726.57 |
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有問題就解決 |
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17726.57 |
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17728.57 |
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不要都當不知道這樣 |
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17728.57 |
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17730.57 |
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就說沒問題這樣那民眾 |
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17730.57 |
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17732.57 |
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是不是在亂講嗎 |
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17734.3 |
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謝謝 |
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17734.07 |
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17736.07 |
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謝謝委員 |
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17737.49 |
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17739.49 |
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接下來請張亞林委員諮詢 |
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17748.65 |
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17750.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7311].text |
謝謝主席我們有請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7312].start |
17750.65 |
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17752.65 |
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請石崇良部長 |
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17755.5 |
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17757.5 |
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張委員你好 |
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部長好那就是像 |
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17761.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7315].text |
前陣子我們把那個 |
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17761.5 |
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17763.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7316].text |
兒少姓剝削 |
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17763.5 |
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17765.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7317].text |
我們也把他上線 |
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17765.5 |
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17767.5 |
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打開就是他成年之後 |
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17767.5 |
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17769.5 |
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他才可以去追溯 |
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17769.5 |
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17771.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7320].text |
我認為這是對於我們的兒少 |
| transcript.whisperx[7321].start |
17771.5 |
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17773.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7321].text |
一個很重要的保障 |
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17773.5 |
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17775.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7322].text |
因為黃子佼這個案件在上禮拜四 |
| transcript.whisperx[7323].start |
17775.5 |
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17777.5 |
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公布之後我想大家也都知道 |
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17777.5 |
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17779.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7324].text |
民情沸然 |
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17781.5 |
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大家認為說似乎只要他 |
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17781.5 |
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17783.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7326].text |
有錢他可以搞到和解 |
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17783.5 |
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17785.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7327].text |
基本上他就可以被判緩刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[7328].start |
17785.5 |
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17787.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7328].text |
那當然我也知道這是因為我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7329].start |
17787.5 |
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17789.5 |
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的刑法基本上就是說 |
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17789.5 |
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17791.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7330].text |
在如果他可以跟被害人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7331].start |
17791.5 |
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17793.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7331].text |
達成和解的話的確 |
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17793.5 |
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17795.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7332].text |
是他法官可以裁量 |
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17795.5 |
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17797.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7333].text |
這個緩刑但是因為大家 |
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17797.5 |
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17799.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7334].text |
也會認為說就像我剛剛如同 |
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17799.5 |
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17801.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7335].text |
我講的今天只要我有錢我好像就沒有 |
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17801.5 |
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17803.5 |
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是的問題所以我今天想要跟 |
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17803.5 |
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17805.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7337].text |
部長再討論我認為還是 |
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17805.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7338].end |
17807.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7338].text |
要去積極的保障我們的兒少的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7339].start |
17807.5 |
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17809.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7339].text |
因為我覺得像現在的 |
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17809.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7340].end |
17811.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7340].text |
兒少呢因為這個兒少姓 |
| transcript.whisperx[7341].start |
17811.5 |
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17813.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7341].text |
剝削他基本上是一個就算我這次 |
| transcript.whisperx[7342].start |
17813.5 |
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17815.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7342].text |
和解了對不對可是我的影像 |
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17815.5 |
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17817.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7343].text |
還是持續的在網路上面 |
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17817.5 |
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17819.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7344].text |
曝光可能還是在網路上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7345].start |
17819.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7345].end |
17821.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7345].text |
流通所以我想要問一下是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7346].start |
17821.5 |
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17823.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7346].text |
我們是不是也可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7347].start |
17823.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7347].end |
17825.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7347].text |
修這個兒少姓剝削條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[7348].start |
17825.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7348].end |
17827.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7348].text |
新增重大持有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7349].start |
17827.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7349].end |
17829.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7349].text |
或加重持有的罪 |
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17829.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7350].end |
17831.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7350].text |
那第二個是否來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7351].start |
17831.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7351].end |
17833.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7351].text |
限制重大兒少姓影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[7352].start |
17833.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7352].end |
17835.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7352].text |
犯罪輕易使用緩刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[7353].start |
17835.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7353].end |
17837.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7353].text |
第三是否應建立影像 |
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17837.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7354].end |
17839.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7354].text |
數量被害人數等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[7355].start |
17839.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7355].end |
17841.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[7355].text |
來確立一個新的量刑標準 |
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17843.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7356].end |
17845.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7356].text |
那所以我想針對第一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7357].start |
17846.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[7357].end |
17848.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[7357].text |
我想請教部長的想法就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7358].start |
17849.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7358].end |
17851.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7358].text |
我們對於修這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7359].start |
17851.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7359].end |
17853.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7359].text |
兒少姓剝削條例第39條 |
| transcript.whisperx[7360].start |
17853.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7360].end |
17855.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7360].text |
把下列的事項 |
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17855.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7361].end |
17857.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7361].text |
更明確為加重 |
| transcript.whisperx[7362].start |
17857.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7362].end |
17859.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7362].text |
持有第一就是接附對價 |
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17859.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7363].end |
17861.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7363].text |
購買或取得第二個透過 |
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17861.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7364].end |
17863.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7364].text |
會員制論壇私密群組 |
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17863.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7365].end |
17865.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7365].text |
非法平台取得第三 |
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17865.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7366].end |
17867.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7366].text |
持有數量非常龐大第四 |
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17867.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7367].end |
17869.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7367].text |
涉及多名兒少好第五 |
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17869.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7368].end |
17871.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7368].text |
反覆下載分類備份雲端 |
| transcript.whisperx[7369].start |
17871.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7369].end |
17873.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7369].text |
同步或建立資料夾 |
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17874.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7370].end |
17878.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7370].text |
收藏第六就是未滿24歲兒少 |
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17878.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7371].end |
17880.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7371].text |
而且影像內具有高度侵害性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7372].start |
17880.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7372].end |
17882.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7372].text |
不曉得部長您的看法是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7373].start |
17882.23 |
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17884.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7373].text |
跟委員說明 |
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17884.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7374].end |
17886.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7374].text |
對於這個剛剛提到 |
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17886.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7375].end |
17888.23 |
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那個追溯目前是預告中 |
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17888.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7376].end |
17890.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7376].text |
所以我們的追溯起從 |
| transcript.whisperx[7377].start |
17890.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7377].end |
17892.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7377].text |
成年之後開始計算 |
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17892.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7378].end |
17894.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7378].text |
那另外在這個刑度的部分 |
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17894.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7379].end |
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那麼也做了修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[7380].start |
17896.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7380].end |
17898.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7380].text |
只不過是剛好那個是113年才修 |
| transcript.whisperx[7381].start |
17898.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7381].end |
17900.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7381].text |
所以適用的時候不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[7382].start |
17900.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7382].end |
17902.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7382].text |
那現在您提出的是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7383].start |
17902.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7383].end |
17904.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7383].text |
某一些的樣態在給予加重 |
| transcript.whisperx[7384].start |
17904.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7384].end |
17906.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7384].text |
這個我支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[7385].start |
17906.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7385].end |
17908.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7385].text |
好那我希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7386].start |
17908.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7386].end |
17910.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7386].text |
我們是不是可以來驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7387].start |
17910.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7387].end |
17912.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7387].text |
因為其實我就給部長一個參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[7388].start |
17912.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7388].end |
17914.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7388].text |
其實這樣子的量型參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[7389].start |
17914.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7389].end |
17916.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7389].text |
其實在英國跟美國都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7390].start |
17916.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7390].end |
17918.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7390].text |
類似的概念因為你可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7391].start |
17918.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7391].end |
17920.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7391].text |
左邊的英國量型指引是有分到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7392].start |
17920.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7392].end |
17922.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7392].text |
影像的類型也就是分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7393].start |
17922.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7393].end |
17924.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7393].text |
它的嚴重性好最嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[7394].start |
17924.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7394].end |
17926.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7394].text |
就是插入性行為性虐待第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7395].start |
17926.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7395].end |
17928.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7395].text |
等級是非插入性影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[7396].start |
17928.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7396].end |
17930.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7396].text |
第三個是違憲然後他會除了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7397].start |
17930.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7397].end |
17932.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7397].text |
影像類型之外他會再加重 |
| transcript.whisperx[7398].start |
17932.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7398].end |
17934.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7398].text |
因素也就是我剛剛講的那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7399].start |
17934.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7399].end |
17936.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7399].text |
那些狀態這是英國的所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[7400].start |
17936.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7400].end |
17938.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7400].text |
基本上內容越嚴重行為越系統化 |
| transcript.whisperx[7401].start |
17938.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7401].end |
17940.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7401].text |
刑度就會越重那美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[7402].start |
17940.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7402].end |
17942.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7402].text |
基本上就看他持有多少張數 |
| transcript.whisperx[7403].start |
17942.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7403].end |
17944.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7403].text |
如果說他影像是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7404].start |
17944.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7404].end |
17946.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7404].text |
如果是影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[7405].start |
17946.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7405].end |
17948.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7405].text |
不是照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[7406].start |
17948.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7406].end |
17950.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7406].text |
一部影像就換算成 |
| transcript.whisperx[7407].start |
17950.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7407].end |
17952.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7407].text |
75張照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[7408].start |
17952.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7408].end |
17954.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7408].text |
所以呢這樣子我們才能夠去確保 |
| transcript.whisperx[7409].start |
17954.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7409].end |
17956.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7409].text |
說他不是只是一個單純的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7410].start |
17956.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7410].end |
17958.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7410].text |
犯罪行為而已我們還要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7411].start |
17958.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7411].end |
17960.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7411].text |
去看他的情節有多重大 |
| transcript.whisperx[7412].start |
17960.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7412].end |
17962.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7412].text |
那這個部分如果部長也都支持的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7413].start |
17962.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7413].end |
17964.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7413].text |
是不是也可以給我們一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7414].start |
17964.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7414].end |
17966.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7414].text |
規劃就是例如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7415].start |
17966.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7415].end |
17968.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7415].text |
大概多久之後我們會推出 |
| transcript.whisperx[7416].start |
17968.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7416].end |
17970.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7416].text |
相關的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7417].start |
17974.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7417].end |
17976.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7417].text |
可能要花一點時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7418].start |
17976.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7418].end |
17978.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7418].text |
我們花一點時間來定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7419].start |
17978.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7419].end |
17980.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7419].text |
大概多久時間那個修法的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[7420].start |
17980.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7420].end |
17982.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7420].text |
因為我看到就是這次兒少新波敘 |
| transcript.whisperx[7421].start |
17982.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7421].end |
17984.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7421].text |
這個預告這個部分進行的非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[7422].start |
17984.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7422].end |
17986.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7422].text |
非常快那我也認為這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[7423].start |
17986.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7423].end |
17988.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7423].text |
非常重要因為很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[7424].start |
17988.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7424].end |
17990.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7424].text |
的兒少在這一次的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7425].start |
17990.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7425].end |
17992.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7425].text |
裡他們雖然和解了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7426].start |
17992.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7426].end |
17994.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7426].text |
但是很多都是被害 |
| transcript.whisperx[7427].start |
17994.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7427].end |
17996.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7427].text |
人的法定代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7428].start |
17996.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7428].end |
17998.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7428].text |
來和解 |
| transcript.whisperx[7429].start |
17998.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7429].end |
18000.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7429].text |
那因為這個法這樣子修過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7430].start |
18000.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7430].end |
18002.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7430].text |
讓這些兒少在長大的時候他還能夠去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7431].start |
18002.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7431].end |
18004.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7431].text |
求情我覺得這件事情非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7432].start |
18004.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7432].end |
18006.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7432].text |
但是我認為在現行的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7433].start |
18006.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7433].end |
18008.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7433].text |
我們還是要加強我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7434].start |
18008.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7434].end |
18010.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7434].text |
這個法則才能夠去嚇阻 |
| transcript.whisperx[7435].start |
18010.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7435].end |
18012.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7435].text |
所以部長大概認為何時 |
| transcript.whisperx[7436].start |
18012.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7436].end |
18014.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7436].text |
大概多久的時間我們可以有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7437].start |
18014.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7437].end |
18016.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7437].text |
修法的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[7438].start |
18016.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7438].end |
18018.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7438].text |
可以再修 |
| transcript.whisperx[7439].start |
18018.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7439].end |
18020.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7439].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7440].start |
18020.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7440].end |
18022.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7440].text |
因為我們現在一個預告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7441].start |
18022.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7441].end |
18024.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7441].text |
大概就是要60天 |
| transcript.whisperx[7442].start |
18024.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7442].end |
18026.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7442].text |
那我們現在預告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7443].start |
18026.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7443].end |
18028.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7443].text |
再新增這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7444].start |
18028.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7444].end |
18030.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7444].text |
那就會延長他的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7445].start |
18030.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7445].end |
18032.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7445].text |
等於這一次修的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7446].start |
18032.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7446].end |
18034.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7446].text |
再往後延 |
| transcript.whisperx[7447].start |
18034.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7447].end |
18036.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7447].text |
我們來研究一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7448].start |
18036.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7448].end |
18038.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7448].text |
你可以在前面那部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7449].start |
18038.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7449].end |
18040.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7449].text |
我看你前面那個你要加速 |
| transcript.whisperx[7450].start |
18040.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7450].end |
18042.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7450].text |
對不對你前面那個要預告上線 |
| transcript.whisperx[7451].start |
18042.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7451].end |
18044.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7451].text |
20年了這個是要加速 |
| transcript.whisperx[7452].start |
18044.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7452].end |
18046.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7452].text |
我這個部分我百分之百支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[7453].start |
18046.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7453].end |
18048.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7453].text |
你可以先修但是這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7454].start |
18048.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7454].end |
18050.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7454].text |
那就等於是下一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[7455].start |
18050.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7455].end |
18052.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7455].text |
對但是我覺得這件事情要加速 |
| transcript.whisperx[7456].start |
18052.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7456].end |
18054.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7456].text |
因為大家也可以看到這幾天 |
| transcript.whisperx[7457].start |
18054.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7457].end |
18056.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7457].text |
這個艾爾利各種我們都不曉得那些影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[7458].start |
18056.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7458].end |
18058.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7458].text |
而且其中有涉及到未成年的兒少性影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[7459].start |
18058.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7459].end |
18060.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7459].text |
他會流傳到哪裡我們完全不曉得 |
| transcript.whisperx[7460].start |
18060.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7460].end |
18062.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7460].text |
但是我們必須要在我們的法制上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7461].start |
18062.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7461].end |
18064.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7461].text |
再強化這個賀祖利 |
| transcript.whisperx[7462].start |
18065.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7462].end |
18067.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7462].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7463].start |
18066.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[7463].end |
18068.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[7463].text |
對好部長大概多久呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7464].start |
18069.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[7464].end |
18071.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[7464].text |
我們的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[7465].start |
18071.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7465].end |
18073.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7465].text |
可以多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[7466].start |
18073.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[7466].end |
18075.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[7466].text |
半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7467].start |
18075.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7467].end |
18077.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7467].text |
好啊可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[7468].start |
18105.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7468].end |
18107.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7468].text |
是不是可以一起來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7469].start |
18107.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7469].end |
18109.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7469].text |
我們是不是容我們找那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7470].start |
18109.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7470].end |
18111.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7470].text |
找那個法務部跟司法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7471].start |
18111.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7471].end |
18113.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7471].text |
一起來討論因為他還會涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7472].start |
18113.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7472].end |
18115.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7472].text |
一個量刑的很平行我們再跟他們一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[7473].start |
18115.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7473].end |
18117.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7473].text |
沒問題可以的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7474].start |
18117.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7474].end |
18119.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7474].text |
我現在只是想要知道說大概什麼時候我們可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[7475].start |
18119.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7475].end |
18121.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7475].text |
來了解一個後續的進度呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7476].start |
18121.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7476].end |
18123.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7476].text |
半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7477].start |
18123.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7477].end |
18125.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7477].text |
半年好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7478].start |
18125.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7478].end |
18127.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7478].text |
好半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7479].start |
18127.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7479].end |
18129.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7479].text |
那再來就是第二個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7480].start |
18129.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7480].end |
18131.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7480].text |
就是有關於我們的兒少現在因為他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7481].start |
18131.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7481].end |
18133.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7481].text |
缺乏時間休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[7482].start |
18133.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7482].end |
18135.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7482].text |
就是我之前跟部長提到就是說他們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7483].start |
18135.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7483].end |
18137.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7483].text |
根本沒有休息時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7484].start |
18137.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7484].end |
18139.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7484].text |
然後呢這個功課量 |
| transcript.whisperx[7485].start |
18139.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7485].end |
18141.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7485].text |
還有太多的學業 |
| transcript.whisperx[7486].start |
18141.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7486].end |
18143.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7486].text |
導致他們現在喝能量飲料 |
| transcript.whisperx[7487].start |
18143.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7487].end |
18145.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7487].text |
這已經不是單一事件了 |
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18145.45 |
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包含我問我本來聽我從我小孩那邊 |
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聽到一個國中生 |
| transcript.whisperx[7490].start |
18149.45 |
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國二的時候就告訴我說他們有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7491].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7491].end |
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同學在喝這個能量飲料喝魔爪 |
| transcript.whisperx[7492].start |
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18155.45 |
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後來有一次我在跟兒少代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[7493].start |
18155.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7493].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7493].text |
在講休息時間的時候 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7494].end |
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他就說這個是他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7495].start |
18159.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7495].end |
18161.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7495].text |
班上高中生每個人的櫃子裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7496].start |
18161.45 |
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都會放所以這就是非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[7497].start |
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普遍的現象可是這個兒少 |
| transcript.whisperx[7498].start |
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能量飲其實是非常不適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[7499].start |
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18169.45 |
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兒少飲用的在國際上面 |
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18169.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7500].end |
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其實都有講到這會對兒少的身體 |
| transcript.whisperx[7501].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7501].end |
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產生健康上面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7502].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7502].end |
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那個影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[7503].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7503].end |
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那其實在歐盟加大 |
| transcript.whisperx[7504].start |
18177.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7504].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7504].text |
英國美國都有會一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7505].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7505].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7505].text |
一些警示語的內容標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[7506].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7506].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7506].text |
但是我們現在對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[7507].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7507].end |
18185.45 |
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這些能量飲料是毫無標示的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7508].start |
18185.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7508].end |
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這部分是不是可以說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7509].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7509].end |
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標示的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7510].start |
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我想的確在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7511].start |
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目前對於我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7512].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7512].end |
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飲料的標示裡面上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7513].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7513].end |
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沒有特別強調的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7514].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7514].end |
18199.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7514].text |
嬰幼兒或者是兒少 |
| transcript.whisperx[7515].start |
18199.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7515].end |
18201.45 |
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食用 |
| transcript.whisperx[7516].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7516].end |
18203.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7516].text |
他只是標示上面的一般 |
| transcript.whisperx[7517].start |
18203.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7517].end |
18205.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7517].text |
他裡面要有標示的含量 |
| transcript.whisperx[7518].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7518].end |
18207.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7518].text |
熱量蛋白質糖類 |
| transcript.whisperx[7519].start |
18207.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7519].end |
18209.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7519].text |
那這部分可以標示嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7520].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7520].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7520].text |
因為這個會影響到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7521].start |
18211.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7521].end |
18213.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7521].text |
兒少的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[7522].start |
18213.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7522].end |
18215.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7522].text |
這個標示我們一直以來有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7523].start |
18215.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7523].end |
18217.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7523].text |
標準標示的模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7524].start |
18217.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7524].end |
18219.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7524].text |
那也要他的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[7525].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7525].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7525].text |
在十二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[7526].start |
18221.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7526].end |
18223.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7526].text |
向下我們按照這樣的標準標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[7527].start |
18223.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7527].end |
18225.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7527].text |
所以裡面的內容我們其實可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[7528].start |
18225.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7528].end |
18227.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7528].text |
來徵詢大家的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[7529].start |
18227.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7529].end |
18229.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7529].text |
是不是對於特定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7530].start |
18229.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7530].end |
18231.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7530].text |
族群裡面我想是另外一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7531].start |
18231.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7531].end |
18233.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7531].text |
讓我們可以做一點點研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7532].start |
18233.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7532].end |
18235.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7532].text |
就是說標示的部分的確是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7533].start |
18235.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7533].end |
18237.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7533].text |
沒有特別針對兒少 |
| transcript.whisperx[7534].start |
18237.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7534].end |
18239.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7534].text |
或者我們面對一個老人家說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7535].start |
18239.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7535].end |
18241.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7535].text |
這個不適合使用那個不適合使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[7536].start |
18241.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7536].end |
18243.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7536].text |
那個對於整體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7537].start |
18243.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7537].end |
18245.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7537].text |
用其他的方式來去協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[7538].start |
18245.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7538].end |
18247.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7538].text |
讓民眾可以知道他的合適性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7539].start |
18247.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7539].end |
18249.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7539].text |
我覺得會是更好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7540].start |
18249.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7540].end |
18251.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7540].text |
但是因為這個東西已經算是蠻普遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[7541].start |
18251.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7541].end |
18253.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7541].text |
兒少其實都在引用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7542].start |
18253.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7542].end |
18255.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7542].text |
所以我覺得就是說我希望你們去研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7543].start |
18255.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7543].end |
18257.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7543].text |
大概什麼時候我們可以用什麼樣子的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7544].start |
18257.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7544].end |
18259.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7544].text |
來讓更多的兒少 |
| transcript.whisperx[7545].start |
18259.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7545].end |
18261.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7545].text |
不要使用這樣子的飲料可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7546].start |
18261.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7546].end |
18263.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7546].text |
我們可能要盡量在各方面的宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[7547].start |
18263.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7547].end |
18265.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7547].text |
我覺得是要跟很多學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[7548].start |
18265.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7548].end |
18267.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7548].text |
一起來共同來研習 |
| transcript.whisperx[7549].start |
18267.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7549].end |
18269.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7549].text |
我想飲料上面還是要強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[7550].start |
18269.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7550].end |
18271.45 |
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好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7551].start |
18271.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7551].end |
18273.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7551].text |
那最後一題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7552].start |
18273.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7552].end |
18275.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7552].text |
我們現在有托育津貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7553].start |
18275.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7553].end |
18277.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7553].text |
跟育兒補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[7554].start |
18277.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7554].end |
18279.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7554].text |
但是我想釐清一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[7555].start |
18279.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7555].end |
18281.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7555].text |
托育津貼跟育兒補助原本的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7556].start |
18281.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7556].end |
18283.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7556].text |
功能其實是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7557].start |
18285.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7557].end |
18287.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7557].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7558].start |
18286.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7558].end |
18288.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7558].text |
托育津貼跟育兒補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[7559].start |
18289.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7559].end |
18291.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7559].text |
我們托育是為了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7560].start |
18291.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7560].end |
18293.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7560].text |
我們現在是二則一 |
| transcript.whisperx[7561].start |
18293.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7561].end |
18295.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7561].text |
我們現在是二則一嘛可是問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7562].start |
18295.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7562].end |
18297.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7562].text |
托育今天原本就是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[7563].start |
18297.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7563].end |
18299.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7563].text |
讓家長可以把小孩送去托育中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[7564].start |
18299.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7564].end |
18301.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7564].text |
對不對我們讓小孩得到 |
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18301.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7565].end |
18303.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7565].text |
托育中心的照顧也釋放 |
| transcript.whisperx[7566].start |
18303.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7566].end |
18305.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7566].text |
女性的勞動力這應該是原本的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7567].start |
18305.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7567].end |
18307.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7567].text |
政策目標嘛那育兒補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[7568].start |
18307.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7568].end |
18309.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7568].text |
就是說今天只要你有生小孩 |
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18309.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7569].end |
18311.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7569].text |
我們都理解生小孩多餘的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7570].start |
18311.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7570].end |
18313.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7570].text |
可能會需要一些成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[7571].start |
18313.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7571].end |
18315.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7571].text |
那政府來支持你一些成本嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7572].start |
18315.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7572].end |
18317.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7572].text |
所以這兩件事情其實是不應該二選一 |
| transcript.whisperx[7573].start |
18317.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7573].end |
18319.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7573].text |
部長你的看法是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7574].start |
18319.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7574].end |
18321.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7574].text |
對我了解這個 |
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18321.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7575].end |
18323.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7575].text |
委員的切入點 |
| transcript.whisperx[7576].start |
18323.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7576].end |
18325.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7576].text |
那當時後這一個補助的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7577].start |
18325.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7577].end |
18327.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7577].text |
他把它視為是同一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[7578].start |
18327.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7578].end |
18329.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7578].text |
就自己帶跟托別人帶的成本 |
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18329.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7579].end |
18331.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7579].text |
那麼去給的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7580].start |
18331.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7580].end |
18333.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7580].text |
就是說你自己帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[7581].start |
18333.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7581].end |
18335.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7581].text |
我們就給你津貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7582].start |
18335.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7582].end |
18337.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7582].text |
那你自己帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[7583].start |
18337.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7583].end |
18339.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7583].text |
那我們就用補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[7584].start |
18339.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7584].end |
18341.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7584].text |
所以才會有二則一啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7585].start |
18341.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7585].end |
18343.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7585].text |
現在是說這個委員的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7586].start |
18343.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7586].end |
18345.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7586].text |
就是另外一個就是我只要是有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7587].start |
18345.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7587].end |
18347.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7587].text |
我生小孩我的成本就會提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[7588].start |
18347.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7588].end |
18349.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7588].text |
所以我需要大家都有一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[7589].start |
18349.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7589].end |
18351.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7589].text |
大家都補啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7590].start |
18351.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7590].end |
18353.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7590].text |
那這個概念是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7591].start |
18353.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7591].end |
18355.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7591].text |
現在因為整個行政院也在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7592].start |
18355.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7592].end |
18357.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7592].text |
對於這個 |
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18357.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7593].end |
18359.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7593].text |
津貼或補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[7594].start |
18359.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7594].end |
18361.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7594].text |
怎麼去強化對這些育兒家庭的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[7595].start |
18361.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7595].end |
18363.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7595].text |
那麼 |
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18363.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7596].end |
18365.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7596].text |
未來應該會有一個新的版本出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7597].start |
18365.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7597].end |
18367.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7597].text |
所以我希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7598].start |
18367.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7598].end |
18369.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7598].text |
我們可以考量托育津貼跟育兒補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[7599].start |
18369.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7599].end |
18371.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7599].text |
不應該是二則 |
| transcript.whisperx[7600].start |
18371.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7600].end |
18373.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7600].text |
因為這是兩個完全不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7601].start |
18373.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7601].end |
18375.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7601].text |
我還是育兒成本還是會增加嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7602].start |
18375.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7602].end |
18377.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7602].text |
我只是少了托育的費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[7603].start |
18377.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7603].end |
18379.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7603].text |
但是我平常的尿布奶粉什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7604].start |
18379.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7604].end |
18381.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7604].text |
我都還是要買嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7605].start |
18381.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7605].end |
18383.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7605].text |
那所以這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7606].start |
18383.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7606].end |
18385.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7606].text |
我希望就是在我們新的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7607].start |
18385.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7607].end |
18387.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7607].text |
現在正在討論的這個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[7608].start |
18387.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7608].end |
18389.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7608].text |
要把這件事情一起納進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7609].start |
18389.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7609].end |
18391.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7609].text |
那這樣子才是對一個家庭最全面的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[7610].start |
18391.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7610].end |
18393.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7610].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7611].start |
18393.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7611].end |
18395.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7611].text |
謝謝張曉玲委員的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7612].start |
18395.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7612].end |
18397.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7612].text |
現在處理開會時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7613].start |
18397.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7613].end |
18399.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7613].text |
報告委員會我們今天上午開會時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7614].start |
18399.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7614].end |
18401.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7614].text |
是否延長到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7615].start |
18401.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7615].end |
18403.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7615].text |
今天這個環節就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7616].start |
18403.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7616].end |
18405.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7616].text |
希望大家會喜歡這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[7617].start |
18405.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7617].end |
18407.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7617].text |
希望大家會喜歡這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[7618].start |
18407.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7618].end |
18409.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7618].text |
希望大家會喜歡這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[7619].start |
18409.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7619].end |
18411.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7619].text |
希望大家會喜歡這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[7620].start |
18411.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7620].end |
18413.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7620].text |
希望大家會喜歡這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[7621].start |
18413.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7621].end |
18415.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7621].text |
希望大家會喜歡這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[7622].start |
18415.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7622].end |
18417.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7622].text |
希望大家會喜歡這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[7623].start |
18417.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7623].end |
18419.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7623].text |
希望大家會喜歡這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[7624].start |
18419.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7624].end |
18421.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7624].text |
希望大家會喜歡這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[7625].start |
18421.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7625].end |
18423.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7625].text |
希望大家會喜歡這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[7626].start |
18423.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7626].end |
18425.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7626].text |
希望大家會喜歡這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[7627].start |
18425.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7627].end |
18427.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7627].text |
希望大家會喜歡這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[7628].start |
18427.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7628].end |
18429.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7628].text |
希望大家會喜歡這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[7629].start |
18405.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7629].end |
18407.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7629].text |
沒有意見我們就延長開會時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7630].start |
18407.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7630].end |
18409.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7630].text |
現在請洪孟開委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7631].start |
18418.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7631].end |
18420.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7631].text |
主席謝謝麻煩請石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7632].start |
18420.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7632].end |
18422.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7632].text |
有請石重量部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7633].start |
18425.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7633].end |
18427.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7633].text |
好 洪委員好 石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7634].start |
18427.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7634].end |
18429.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7634].text |
我想很多委員都在關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[7635].start |
18429.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7635].end |
18431.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7635].text |
上個禮拜我們通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[7636].start |
18431.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7636].end |
18433.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7636].text |
三班互併筆的正式三讀通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[7637].start |
18433.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7637].end |
18435.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7637].text |
三班互併筆的正式三讀通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[7638].start |
18435.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7638].end |
18437.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7638].text |
但居然傳出說衛福部還要兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7639].start |
18437.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7639].end |
18439.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7639].text |
之後才能實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[7640].start |
18439.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7640].end |
18441.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7640].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[7641].start |
18440.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7641].end |
18442.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7641].text |
我必須很嚴正的利用 |
| transcript.whisperx[7642].start |
18442.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7642].end |
18444.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7642].text |
這天的機會再一次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7643].start |
18444.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7643].end |
18446.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7643].text |
跟部長以及我們所有的衛福部的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[7644].start |
18446.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7644].end |
18448.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7644].text |
來說明跟報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7645].start |
18448.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7645].end |
18450.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7645].text |
三班互併筆並不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7646].start |
18450.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7646].end |
18452.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7646].text |
現在才在談 |
| transcript.whisperx[7647].start |
18453.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7647].end |
18455.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7647].text |
最早2019年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7648].start |
18455.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7648].end |
18457.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7648].text |
2019年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7649].start |
18457.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7649].end |
18459.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7649].text |
其實就已經有談了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7650].start |
18459.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7650].end |
18461.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7650].text |
當時就已經有講是說要往這個方向做 |
| transcript.whisperx[7651].start |
18461.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7651].end |
18463.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7651].text |
賴清德總統2023年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7652].start |
18463.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7652].end |
18465.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7652].text |
9月9號去醫護 |
| transcript.whisperx[7653].start |
18465.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7653].end |
18467.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7653].text |
所謂的後援會的時候承諾說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7654].start |
18467.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7654].end |
18469.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7654].text |
兩年入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7655].start |
18469.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7655].end |
18471.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7655].text |
當時給大家講的是說兩年內 |
| transcript.whisperx[7656].start |
18471.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7656].end |
18473.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7656].text |
要實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[7657].start |
18472.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7657].end |
18474.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7657].text |
結果現在兩年快到的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7658].start |
18474.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7658].end |
18476.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7658].text |
你沒有辦法沒有行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7659].start |
18476.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7659].end |
18478.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7659].text |
沒有衛福部的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[7660].start |
18478.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7660].end |
18480.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7660].text |
而我們上個禮拜三讀通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[7661].start |
18480.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7661].end |
18482.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7661].text |
你竟然自己來認定是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7662].start |
18482.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7662].end |
18484.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7662].text |
還要再兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7663].start |
18484.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7663].end |
18486.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7663].text |
你覺得這會不會太荒謬了一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[7664].start |
18486.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7664].end |
18488.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7664].text |
不會我們是很負責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[7665].start |
18488.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7665].end |
18490.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7665].text |
在這個任期賴清德總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[7666].start |
18490.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7666].end |
18492.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7666].text |
這個任期自始至終 |
| transcript.whisperx[7667].start |
18492.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7667].end |
18494.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7667].text |
那這樣變成是從頭到尾 |
| transcript.whisperx[7668].start |
18494.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7668].end |
18496.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7668].text |
沒有打算在這個任期裡面來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[7669].start |
18496.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7669].end |
18498.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7669].text |
一定在這個任期裡面是做不到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7670].start |
18498.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7670].end |
18500.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7670].text |
會做得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7671].start |
18500.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7671].end |
18502.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7671].text |
你2026年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7672].start |
18502.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7672].end |
18504.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7672].text |
2028年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7673].start |
18504.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7673].end |
18506.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7673].text |
你如果說要再兩年的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7674].start |
18506.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7674].end |
18508.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7674].text |
你2028年你在這個任期是做不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7675].start |
18508.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7675].end |
18510.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7675].text |
如果說有任何醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7676].start |
18510.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7676].end |
18512.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7676].text |
違反的話你也沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7677].start |
18512.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7677].end |
18514.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7677].text |
有任何的處罰工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[7678].start |
18514.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7678].end |
18516.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7678].text |
跟委員說明啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7679].start |
18516.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7679].end |
18518.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7679].text |
所以來部長我只是想請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7680].start |
18518.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7680].end |
18520.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7680].text |
因為你上午還回答我們委員的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7681].start |
18520.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7681].end |
18522.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7681].text |
還在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7682].start |
18522.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7682].end |
18524.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7682].text |
我不知道說那個情境是怎麼樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7683].start |
18524.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7683].end |
18526.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7683].text |
還講說這一次做不到再給他一次機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7684].start |
18526.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7684].end |
18528.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[7684].text |
再投他 |
| transcript.whisperx[7685].start |
18528.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7685].end |
18530.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7685].text |
都開芭樂票了還要我們再投給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[7686].start |
18530.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7686].end |
18532.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7686].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7687].start |
18532.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7687].end |
18534.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7687].text |
好意思嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7688].start |
18534.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7688].end |
18536.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7688].text |
我們是5月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[7689].start |
18536.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7689].end |
18538.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7689].text |
我想還在任期內 |
| transcript.whisperx[7690].start |
18538.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7690].end |
18540.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7690].text |
所以就兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7691].start |
18540.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7691].end |
18542.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7691].text |
是不會動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7692].start |
18542.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7692].end |
18544.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7692].text |
你先公告給所有我們醫護同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[7693].start |
18544.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7693].end |
18546.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7693].text |
來明白 |
| transcript.whisperx[7694].start |
18546.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7694].end |
18548.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7694].text |
就是即便是2026年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7695].start |
18549.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7695].end |
18551.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7695].text |
5月8號 |
| transcript.whisperx[7696].start |
18551.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7696].end |
18553.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7696].text |
三讀通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[7697].start |
18553.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7697].end |
18555.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7697].text |
就是還要再給衛福部兩年的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7698].start |
18555.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7698].end |
18557.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7698].text |
就是沒有辦法再提早 |
| transcript.whisperx[7699].start |
18557.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7699].end |
18559.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7699].text |
這個不是給了兩年的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7700].start |
18559.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7700].end |
18561.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7700].text |
怎麼來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7701].start |
18561.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7701].end |
18563.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7701].text |
這個兩年時間怎麼來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7702].start |
18563.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7702].end |
18565.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7702].text |
所以我已經說了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7703].start |
18565.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7703].end |
18567.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7703].text |
從一開始我們就講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7704].start |
18567.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7704].end |
18569.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7704].text |
這不是現在才討論啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7705].start |
18568.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7705].end |
18570.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7705].text |
不是現在才討論啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7706].start |
18570.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7706].end |
18572.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7706].text |
2019年才討論啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7707].start |
18572.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7707].end |
18574.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7707].text |
2019年只有十四全 |
| transcript.whisperx[7708].start |
18574.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7708].end |
18576.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7708].text |
如果說當時你還要兩年時間的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7709].start |
18576.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7709].end |
18578.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7709].text |
一個邏輯問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7710].start |
18578.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7710].end |
18580.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7710].text |
雖然當時你不是部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7711].start |
18580.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7711].end |
18582.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7711].text |
但是當時你也在衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[7712].start |
18582.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7712].end |
18584.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7712].text |
2023年的9月9號 |
| transcript.whisperx[7713].start |
18584.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7713].end |
18586.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7713].text |
賴清德總統賴清德副總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[7714].start |
18586.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7714].end |
18588.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7714].text |
總統候選人用什麼樣的基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7715].start |
18588.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7715].end |
18590.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7715].text |
下去跟醫護承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[7716].start |
18591.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7716].end |
18593.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7716].text |
如果你還要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7717].start |
18593.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7717].end |
18595.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7717].text |
要有兩年時間的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7718].start |
18595.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7718].end |
18597.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7718].text |
那你用什麼基礎去承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[7719].start |
18597.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7719].end |
18599.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7719].text |
當時的承諾是任內完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[7720].start |
18599.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7720].end |
18601.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7720].text |
這不就是騙票嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7721].start |
18601.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7721].end |
18603.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7721].text |
不會啊這個就是在任內 |
| transcript.whisperx[7722].start |
18603.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7722].end |
18605.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7722].text |
沒關係沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[7723].start |
18605.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7723].end |
18607.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7723].text |
我們今天就事論事把它說清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[7724].start |
18607.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7724].end |
18609.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7724].text |
因為部長過去到現在本席來這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7725].start |
18609.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7725].end |
18611.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7725].text |
都很就事論事很理性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7726].start |
18611.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7726].end |
18613.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7726].text |
但在這件事情上面我覺得是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7727].start |
18613.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7727].end |
18615.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7727].text |
大是大非的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7728].start |
18615.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7728].end |
18617.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7728].text |
2024年的第一會籍 |
| transcript.whisperx[7729].start |
18617.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7729].end |
18619.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7729].text |
本席在第十一屆第一會籍擔任書記長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7730].start |
18619.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7730].end |
18621.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7730].text |
當時對於我們的秋太原部長的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7731].start |
18621.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7731].end |
18623.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7731].text |
我們在很多側朝野協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[7732].start |
18623.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7732].end |
18625.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7732].text |
我們都有提 |
| transcript.whisperx[7733].start |
18626.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7733].end |
18628.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7733].text |
三方護併筆要入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7734].start |
18628.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7734].end |
18630.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7734].text |
但當時我們為什麼沒有在第一會籍 |
| transcript.whisperx[7735].start |
18630.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7735].end |
18632.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7735].text |
我們就來做二三讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[7736].start |
18632.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7736].end |
18634.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7736].text |
就是因為我們當時也聽到秋太原部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7737].start |
18634.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7737].end |
18636.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7737].text |
講是說需要時間溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[7738].start |
18636.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7738].end |
18638.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7738].text |
也因此我們才會先做什麼事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[7739].start |
18638.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7739].end |
18640.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7739].text |
我們先做健保點值 |
| transcript.whisperx[7740].start |
18640.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7740].end |
18642.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7740].text |
一點等於零點九五 |
| transcript.whisperx[7741].start |
18642.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7741].end |
18644.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7741].text |
從一點等於零點八一開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[7742].start |
18644.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7742].end |
18646.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7742].text |
我們認為我們要給衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[7743].start |
18646.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7743].end |
18648.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7743].text |
多一些裁員多一些能夠讓醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7744].start |
18648.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7744].end |
18650.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7744].text |
去溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[7745].start |
18650.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7745].end |
18652.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7745].text |
醫院的點值能夠提高變成醫院的裁員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7746].start |
18652.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7746].end |
18654.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7746].text |
有的時候我們才要請他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7747].start |
18654.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7747].end |
18656.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7747].text |
照顧到我們的醫師照顧到我們的護理人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7748].start |
18656.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7748].end |
18658.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7748].text |
所以我們先做的第一個會籍 |
| transcript.whisperx[7749].start |
18658.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7749].end |
18660.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7749].text |
是先做健保點值一點等於零點九五 |
| transcript.whisperx[7750].start |
18660.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7750].end |
18662.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7750].text |
做到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7751].start |
18662.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7751].end |
18664.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7751].text |
做到完畢之後在第二年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7752].start |
18664.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7752].end |
18666.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7752].text |
我們才來講說那三方護併筆你要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[7753].start |
18666.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7753].end |
18668.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7753].text |
但是你們沒有拿出版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[7754].start |
18668.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7754].end |
18670.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7754].text |
也因此才會在我們上個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[7755].start |
18670.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7755].end |
18672.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7755].text |
到做二三讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[7756].start |
18672.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7756].end |
18674.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7756].text |
事情把它講清楚就很明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[7757].start |
18674.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7757].end |
18676.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7757].text |
如果說到現在你還要跟我們講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7758].start |
18676.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7758].end |
18678.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7758].text |
還要再兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7759].start |
18678.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7759].end |
18680.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7759].text |
那說真的2023年的9月9號 |
| transcript.whisperx[7760].start |
18680.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7760].end |
18682.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7760].text |
賴清德總統候選人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7761].start |
18682.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7761].end |
18684.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7761].text |
他就是在台上騙票 |
| transcript.whisperx[7762].start |
18685.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7762].end |
18687.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7762].text |
我們一直的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[7763].start |
18687.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7763].end |
18689.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7763].text |
都是照這樣子在進行當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7764].start |
18689.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7764].end |
18691.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7764].text |
所以我們一直規劃就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7765].start |
18691.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7765].end |
18693.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7765].text |
反正你現在規劃就是還要等 |
| transcript.whisperx[7766].start |
18693.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7766].end |
18695.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7766].text |
稅制標準裡面去訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7767].start |
18695.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7767].end |
18697.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7767].text |
然後我們提出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7768].start |
18697.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7768].end |
18699.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7768].text |
就是確定還要再兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7769].start |
18699.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7769].end |
18701.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7769].text |
有沒辦法提早 |
| transcript.whisperx[7770].start |
18701.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7770].end |
18703.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7770].text |
有沒有辦法提早 |
| transcript.whisperx[7771].start |
18703.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7771].end |
18705.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7771].text |
還是就是兩年才死 |
| transcript.whisperx[7772].start |
18705.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7772].end |
18707.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7772].text |
就是我們希望衝擊是最低的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7773].start |
18707.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7773].end |
18709.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7773].text |
衝擊要當他最低 |
| transcript.whisperx[7774].start |
18709.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7774].end |
18711.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7774].text |
不要影響到民眾的救助 |
| transcript.whisperx[7775].start |
18711.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7775].end |
18713.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7775].text |
來部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7776].start |
18713.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7776].end |
18715.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7776].text |
另外一個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7777].start |
18715.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7777].end |
18717.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7777].text |
我想很多委員都關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[7778].start |
18717.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7778].end |
18719.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7778].text |
醫療院所的一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7779].start |
18719.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7779].end |
18721.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7779].text |
偷拍的一個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7780].start |
18721.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7780].end |
18723.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7780].text |
其實我們也看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7781].start |
18723.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7781].end |
18725.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7781].text |
但是本席現在想要提到另外一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7782].start |
18725.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7782].end |
18727.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7782].text |
我也做了很多的研究跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[7783].start |
18727.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7783].end |
18729.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7783].text |
很多的了解日本跟韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[7784].start |
18729.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7784].end |
18731.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7784].text |
他們其實有很多積極的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7785].start |
18731.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7785].end |
18733.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7785].text |
來我們看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7786].start |
18733.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7786].end |
18735.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7786].text |
整理出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7787].start |
18735.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7787].end |
18737.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7787].text |
日本跟韓國其實他們對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[7788].start |
18738.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7788].end |
18740.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7788].text |
隱藏式的攝影器 |
| transcript.whisperx[7789].start |
18740.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7789].end |
18742.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7789].text |
他們是有很嚴格的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[7790].start |
18742.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7790].end |
18744.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7790].text |
譬如像日本他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7791].start |
18744.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7791].end |
18746.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7791].text |
在電商平台上面是限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[7792].start |
18746.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7792].end |
18748.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7792].text |
隱藏式的攝影器 |
| transcript.whisperx[7793].start |
18748.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7793].end |
18750.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7793].text |
包括說偽裝插頭掛鉤時鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[7794].start |
18750.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7794].end |
18752.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7794].text |
等不能販售 |
| transcript.whisperx[7795].start |
18752.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7795].end |
18754.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7795].text |
或是說這些商品需要下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7796].start |
18754.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7796].end |
18756.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7796].text |
韓國他們也針對偽裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7797].start |
18756.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7797].end |
18758.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7797].text |
的時鐘插座等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[7798].start |
18758.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7798].end |
18760.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7798].text |
就是必須要全面的清查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7799].start |
18760.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7799].end |
18762.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7799].text |
跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[7800].start |
18761.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7800].end |
18763.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7800].text |
下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7801].start |
18762.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7801].end |
18764.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7801].text |
這是日本韓國的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7802].start |
18764.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7802].end |
18766.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7802].text |
那我也知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[7803].start |
18766.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7803].end |
18768.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7803].text |
因為這個議題它會涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7804].start |
18768.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7804].end |
18770.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7804].text |
跨部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7805].start |
18770.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7805].end |
18772.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7805].text |
衛福部管理的是這一次的醫療院所 |
| transcript.whisperx[7806].start |
18772.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7806].end |
18774.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7806].text |
所以醫療院所相關場域是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7807].start |
18774.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7807].end |
18776.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7807].text |
衛福部管但是這個產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7808].start |
18776.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7808].end |
18778.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7808].text |
出現在醫療院所 |
| transcript.whisperx[7809].start |
18778.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7809].end |
18780.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7809].text |
到底是醫療院所要去限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[7810].start |
18780.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7810].end |
18782.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7810].text |
還是說從經濟部源頭管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7811].start |
18782.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7811].end |
18784.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7811].text |
或是內政部警政署來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7812].start |
18784.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7812].end |
18786.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7812].text |
要求因為這可能會有治安疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[7813].start |
18786.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7813].end |
18788.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7813].text |
或者是NCC |
| transcript.whisperx[7814].start |
18788.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7814].end |
18790.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7814].text |
因為它有涉及到Wi-Fi的傳輸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7815].start |
18790.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7815].end |
18792.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7815].text |
所以NCC可能有角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[7816].start |
18792.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7816].end |
18794.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7816].text |
但本席現在還是就事論事 |
| transcript.whisperx[7817].start |
18794.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7817].end |
18796.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7817].text |
在這一個愛爾利事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7818].start |
18796.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7818].end |
18798.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7818].text |
上面我覺得既然已經發生了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7819].start |
18798.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7819].end |
18800.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7819].text |
過去也許我們還沒有做到這一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[7820].start |
18800.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7820].end |
18802.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7820].text |
但我們希望是衛福部能夠更積極 |
| transcript.whisperx[7821].start |
18802.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7821].end |
18804.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7821].text |
能不能衛福部參考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7822].start |
18804.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7822].end |
18806.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7822].text |
日本跟韓國的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7823].start |
18807.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7823].end |
18809.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7823].text |
找相關單位過來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7824].start |
18809.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7824].end |
18811.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7824].text |
也許我們可以先針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7825].start |
18811.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7825].end |
18813.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7825].text |
醫療院所 |
| transcript.whisperx[7826].start |
18813.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7826].end |
18815.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7826].text |
也規範就醫療院所 |
| transcript.whisperx[7827].start |
18815.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7827].end |
18817.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7827].text |
禁止出現這樣的一個器材 |
| transcript.whisperx[7828].start |
18817.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7828].end |
18819.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7828].text |
或是禁止出現這樣的一個設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[7829].start |
18819.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7829].end |
18821.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7829].text |
或者是說因為這樣的一個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7830].start |
18821.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7830].end |
18823.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7830].text |
來找經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[7831].start |
18823.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7831].end |
18825.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7831].text |
來找內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[7832].start |
18825.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7832].end |
18827.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7832].text |
相關部會我們針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7833].start |
18827.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7833].end |
18829.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7833].text |
這一些偽裝式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7834].start |
18829.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7834].end |
18831.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7834].text |
攝影器不要讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[7835].start |
18831.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7835].end |
18833.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7835].text |
一般的民眾或是有心人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7836].start |
18833.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7836].end |
18835.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7836].text |
那麼容易取得因為本席 |
| transcript.whisperx[7837].start |
18835.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7837].end |
18837.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7837].text |
有看你到現在你隨便查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7838].start |
18837.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7838].end |
18839.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7838].text |
偽裝式攝影器 |
| transcript.whisperx[7839].start |
18839.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7839].end |
18841.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7839].text |
網路上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7840].start |
18841.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7840].end |
18843.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7840].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7841].start |
18842.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7841].end |
18844.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7841].text |
您知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[7842].start |
18844.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7842].end |
18846.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7842].text |
像這個最近艾爾利這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7843].start |
18846.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7843].end |
18848.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7843].text |
或者是說一般的那種掛鉤式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7844].start |
18848.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7844].end |
18850.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7844].text |
攝影器一個多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7845].start |
18851.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7845].end |
18853.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7845].text |
這個我沒買過 |
| transcript.whisperx[7846].start |
18853.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7846].end |
18855.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7846].text |
沒有概念啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7847].start |
18855.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7847].end |
18857.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7847].text |
我相信你不會買嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7848].start |
18857.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7848].end |
18859.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7848].text |
一般正常人不會去買嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7849].start |
18859.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7849].end |
18861.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7849].text |
沒有什麼樣特殊目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7850].start |
18861.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7850].end |
18863.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7850].text |
你很難去買那些東西嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7851].start |
18863.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7851].end |
18865.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7851].text |
但是你知道一個多少錢嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7852].start |
18865.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7852].end |
18867.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7852].text |
最便宜啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7853].start |
18867.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7853].end |
18869.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7853].text |
700塊台幣買得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7854].start |
18867.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7854].end |
18869.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7854].text |
掛鉤式的攝影器 |
| transcript.whisperx[7855].start |
18869.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7855].end |
18871.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7855].text |
還現在標榜什麼1080p |
| transcript.whisperx[7856].start |
18871.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7856].end |
18873.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7856].text |
標榜畫素高 |
| transcript.whisperx[7857].start |
18873.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7857].end |
18875.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7857].text |
那如果說在貴一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[7858].start |
18875.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7858].end |
18877.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7858].text |
有Wi-Fi傳輸可以直接 |
| transcript.whisperx[7859].start |
18877.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7859].end |
18879.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7859].text |
你用APP來傳輸那個影像的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7860].start |
18879.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7860].end |
18881.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7860].text |
兩三千塊其實就有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7861].start |
18882.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7861].end |
18884.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7861].text |
所以換言之這個門檻 |
| transcript.whisperx[7862].start |
18884.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7862].end |
18886.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7862].text |
低到如果你真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7863].start |
18886.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7863].end |
18888.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7863].text |
有新人士想要犯罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[7864].start |
18888.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7864].end |
18890.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7864].text |
或是想要用這些東西去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7865].start |
18890.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7865].end |
18892.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7865].text |
偷拍還是說做一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7866].start |
18892.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7866].end |
18894.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7866].text |
這種隱藏式的攝影的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7867].start |
18894.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7867].end |
18896.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7867].text |
其實防不勝防 |
| transcript.whisperx[7868].start |
18896.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7868].end |
18898.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7868].text |
也才會爆發這次艾爾利事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7869].start |
18898.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7869].end |
18900.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7869].text |
那艾爾利是唯一嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7870].start |
18900.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7870].end |
18902.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7870].text |
我想現在可能連環爆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7871].start |
18902.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7871].end |
18904.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7871].text |
我看衛福部也不敢講是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7872].start |
18904.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7872].end |
18906.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7872].text |
只有艾爾利一家嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7873].start |
18906.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7873].end |
18908.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7873].text |
可能現在我們也請各縣市政府的衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[7874].start |
18908.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7874].end |
18910.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7874].text |
都去稽查相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[7875].start |
18910.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7875].end |
18912.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7875].text |
但美容院所以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[7876].start |
18911.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7876].end |
18913.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7876].text |
你說其他的診所有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7877].start |
18913.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7877].end |
18915.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7877].text |
你說其他的娛樂場所有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7878].start |
18915.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7878].end |
18917.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7878].text |
可能都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7879].start |
18917.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7879].end |
18919.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7879].text |
可是那就變成是跨很多部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7880].start |
18919.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7880].end |
18921.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7880].text |
所以我現在還是就叫衛福部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7881].start |
18921.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7881].end |
18923.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7881].text |
針對我們這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7882].start |
18923.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7882].end |
18925.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7882].text |
能不能先找相關部會來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7883].start |
18925.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7883].end |
18927.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7883].text |
來做這樣子的一個限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[7884].start |
18927.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7884].end |
18929.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7884].text |
或是做這樣子的一個要求下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7885].start |
18929.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7885].end |
18931.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7885].text |
應該是先跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[7886].start |
18931.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7886].end |
18933.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7886].text |
就我們的主管範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[7887].start |
18933.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7887].end |
18935.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7887].text |
有兩件事情會做 |
| transcript.whisperx[7888].start |
18935.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7888].end |
18937.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7888].text |
第一個這個禮拜就會找各地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[7889].start |
18937.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7889].end |
18939.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7889].text |
政府衛生局來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7890].start |
18939.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7890].end |
18941.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7890].text |
如何做盤查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7891].start |
18941.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7891].end |
18943.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7891].text |
跟裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[7892].start |
18943.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7892].end |
18945.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7892].text |
他的基準在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7893].start |
18945.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7893].end |
18947.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7893].text |
然後全面性的展開 |
| transcript.whisperx[7894].start |
18947.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7894].end |
18949.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7894].text |
這是第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7895].start |
18949.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7895].end |
18951.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7895].text |
第二個對於如何強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[7896].start |
18951.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7896].end |
18953.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7896].text |
管理者的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[7897].start |
18953.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7897].end |
18955.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7897].text |
就是說這一些診所的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7898].start |
18955.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7898].end |
18957.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7898].text |
負責人或者是擁有者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7899].start |
18957.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7899].end |
18959.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7899].text |
那在對於這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7900].start |
18959.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7900].end |
18961.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7900].text |
所謂的攝入領機的設置 |
| transcript.whisperx[7901].start |
18961.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7901].end |
18963.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7901].text |
所謂的攝入領機的設置 |
| transcript.whisperx[7902].start |
18963.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7902].end |
18965.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7902].text |
或者是必須遵守的規範上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7903].start |
18965.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7903].end |
18967.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7903].text |
我們來討論出一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7904].start |
18967.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7904].end |
18969.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7904].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7905].start |
18969.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7905].end |
18971.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7905].text |
辦法也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7906].start |
18971.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7906].end |
18973.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7906].text |
來強化要求管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7907].start |
18973.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7907].end |
18975.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7907].text |
那這個就是我們在醫療院所 |
| transcript.whisperx[7908].start |
18975.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7908].end |
18977.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7908].text |
還需要這個禮拜才開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7909].start |
18977.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7909].end |
18979.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7909].text |
那你這樣子不就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7910].start |
18979.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7910].end |
18981.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7910].text |
讓一些有心人士現在趕快拆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7911].start |
18981.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7911].end |
18983.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7911].text |
不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7912].start |
18983.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7912].end |
18985.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7912].text |
照理講不是已經開始了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7913].start |
18985.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7913].end |
18987.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7913].text |
已經開始了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7914].start |
18987.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7914].end |
18989.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7914].text |
我的衛生局都已經開始了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7915].start |
18989.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7915].end |
18991.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7915].text |
現在我們只是在講說你那個裁罰的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7916].start |
18991.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7916].end |
18993.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7916].text |
應該要怎麼個裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[7917].start |
18993.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7917].end |
18995.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7917].text |
各縣市有衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[7918].start |
18995.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7918].end |
18997.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7918].text |
已經要再做稽查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7919].start |
18997.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7919].end |
18999.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7919].text |
那為什麼我說要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7920].start |
18999.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7920].end |
19001.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7920].text |
要這個停業處分依據是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7921].start |
19001.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7921].end |
19003.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7921].text |
讓衛生局能夠掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[7922].start |
19003.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7922].end |
19005.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7922].text |
不要大家有的只開開罰單就算了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7923].start |
19005.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7923].end |
19007.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7923].text |
這種情節重大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7924].start |
19007.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7924].end |
19009.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7924].text |
就是要停業處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7925].start |
19009.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7925].end |
19011.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7925].text |
類似像這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7926].start |
19011.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7926].end |
19013.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7926].text |
這個跟衛生局的裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[7927].start |
19013.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7927].end |
19015.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7927].text |
我覺得這一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[7928].start |
19016.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7928].end |
19018.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7928].text |
愛爾力集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[7929].start |
19018.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7929].end |
19020.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7929].text |
我說實在話我們跟他沒有非親非故 |
| transcript.whisperx[7930].start |
19020.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7930].end |
19022.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7930].text |
可是他畢竟 |
| transcript.whisperx[7931].start |
19022.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7931].end |
19024.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7931].text |
就我們一般的認知他算是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7932].start |
19024.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7932].end |
19026.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7932].text |
醫美的數一數二的品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[7933].start |
19026.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7933].end |
19028.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7933].text |
如果連一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7934].start |
19028.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7934].end |
19030.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7934].text |
數一數二的品牌都會這樣做的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7935].start |
19030.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7935].end |
19032.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7935].text |
那真的很難讓人家放心說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7936].start |
19032.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7936].end |
19034.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7936].text |
還有其他的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7937].start |
19033.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7937].end |
19035.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7937].text |
診所的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[7938].start |
19035.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7938].end |
19037.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7938].text |
本席還是強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[7939].start |
19037.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7939].end |
19039.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7939].text |
就是說你該開罰以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[7940].start |
19039.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7940].end |
19041.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7940].text |
如果說勒令停業不要有上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[7941].start |
19041.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7941].end |
19043.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7941].text |
也不要因為人家是集團就害怕 |
| transcript.whisperx[7942].start |
19043.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7942].end |
19045.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7942].text |
或說我們就手軟 |
| transcript.whisperx[7943].start |
19045.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7943].end |
19047.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7943].text |
可是另外一個部分本席還是強調的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7944].start |
19047.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7944].end |
19049.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7944].text |
利用這一次的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7945].start |
19049.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7945].end |
19051.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7945].text |
是不是衛福部也跟相關單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[7946].start |
19051.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7946].end |
19053.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7946].text |
能夠來做一個研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[7947].start |
19053.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7947].end |
19055.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7947].text |
至少本席的這個建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7948].start |
19055.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7948].end |
19057.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7948].text |
我覺得要看一下日本跟韓國怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[7949].start |
19057.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7949].end |
19059.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7949].text |
那也請部長這邊能夠請同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[7950].start |
19059.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7950].end |
19061.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7950].text |
在開會的時候互相 |
| transcript.whisperx[7951].start |
19061.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7951].end |
19063.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7951].text |
考慮一下當然本席也會要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[7952].start |
19063.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7952].end |
19065.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7952].text |
不管是經濟部不管是內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[7953].start |
19065.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7953].end |
19067.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7953].text |
因為這真的跨部會可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7954].start |
19067.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7954].end |
19069.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7954].text |
政府是一體的既然 |
| transcript.whisperx[7955].start |
19069.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7955].end |
19071.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7955].text |
這件事情已經爆發出來了我 |
| transcript.whisperx[7956].start |
19071.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7956].end |
19073.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7956].text |
認為隱藏式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7957].start |
19073.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7957].end |
19075.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7957].text |
攝影器確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7958].start |
19075.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7958].end |
19077.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7958].text |
這樣亂象有必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7959].start |
19077.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7959].end |
19079.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7959].text |
要去規範跟管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7960].start |
19079.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7960].end |
19081.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7960].text |
部長你同意嗎同意同意這個需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7961].start |
19081.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7961].end |
19083.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7961].text |
我們繼續努力好不好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7962].start |
19084.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7962].end |
19086.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7962].text |
謝謝黃孟凱委員的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7963].start |
19089.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7963].end |
19091.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7963].text |
林茜琪 |
| transcript.whisperx[7964].start |
19091.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7964].end |
19093.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7964].text |
林茜琪委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7965].start |
19094.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7965].end |
19096.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7965].text |
林茜琪委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7966].start |
19097.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7966].end |
19099.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7966].text |
嚴寬恒嚴寬恒嚴寬恒委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7967].start |
19099.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7967].end |
19101.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7967].text |
這個請張嘉斌委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7968].start |
19111.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7968].end |
19113.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7968].text |
主席在場的委員先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[7969].start |
19113.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7969].end |
19115.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7969].text |
如果還有的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7970].start |
19115.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7970].end |
19117.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7970].text |
在場的議會官員免提自由女士先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[7971].start |
19117.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7971].end |
19119.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7971].text |
工作夥伴大家午安 |
| transcript.whisperx[7972].start |
19119.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7972].end |
19121.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7972].text |
那有請我們辛苦的石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7973].start |
19121.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7973].end |
19123.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7973].text |
餓著肚子的石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7974].start |
19123.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7974].end |
19125.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7974].text |
石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7975].start |
19128.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7975].end |
19130.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7975].text |
我可能是今天的最後一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[7976].start |
19130.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7976].end |
19132.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7976].text |
不曉得在看主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[7977].start |
19132.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7977].end |
19134.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7977].text |
但是一開始輕鬆一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[7978].start |
19134.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[7978].end |
19136.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[7978].text |
在上個月的月底 |
| transcript.whisperx[7979].start |
19136.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[7979].end |
19138.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[7979].text |
是台電公司80週年的紀念活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[7980].start |
19140.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7980].end |
19142.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7980].text |
賴總統跟我和幾位委員也受邀前往 |
| transcript.whisperx[7981].start |
19142.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7981].end |
19144.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7981].text |
其中有兩位很特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[7982].start |
19144.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7982].end |
19146.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7982].text |
一個是前公研院的劉文雄院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7983].start |
19146.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7983].end |
19148.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7983].text |
一個是高雄市議會的康玉成議長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7984].start |
19148.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7984].end |
19150.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7984].text |
一個是高雄市議會的康玉成議長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7985].start |
19150.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7985].end |
19152.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7985].text |
他們都剛好是台電的員工卷署 |
| transcript.whisperx[7986].start |
19152.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7986].end |
19154.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7986].text |
他們都剛好是台電的員工卷署 |
| transcript.whisperx[7987].start |
19155.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7987].end |
19157.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7987].text |
他們都不約同提到一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[7988].start |
19157.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7988].end |
19159.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7988].text |
我也有這個經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7989].start |
19159.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7989].end |
19161.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7989].text |
小時候在家裡如果沒有隨手關燈 |
| transcript.whisperx[7990].start |
19161.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7990].end |
19163.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7990].text |
會被爸爸敲腦袋 |
| transcript.whisperx[7991].start |
19163.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7991].end |
19165.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7991].text |
電不是台電生產的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7992].start |
19165.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7992].end |
19167.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7992].text |
你覺得為什麼台電的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7993].start |
19168.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7993].end |
19170.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7993].text |
員工會特別要求自己的子女 |
| transcript.whisperx[7994].start |
19170.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7994].end |
19172.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7994].text |
要求節約用電 |
| transcript.whisperx[7995].start |
19172.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7995].end |
19174.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7995].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7996].start |
19173.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7996].end |
19175.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7996].text |
因為他們知道這個電的來源是不易的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7997].start |
19175.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7997].end |
19177.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7997].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7998].start |
19177.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7998].end |
19179.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7998].text |
所以台電的員工其實過去有個政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[7999].start |
19179.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7999].end |
19181.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7999].text |
台電的員工電價家裡電是半價 |
| transcript.whisperx[8000].start |
19183.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[8000].end |
19185.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[8000].text |
但是台電好像不覺得這樣子會被浪費電 |
| transcript.whisperx[8001].start |
19187.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8001].end |
19189.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8001].text |
你有搭過高鐵嗎部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8002].start |
19189.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8002].end |
19191.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8002].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8003].start |
19191.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8003].end |
19193.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8003].text |
你知道高鐵的員工搭高鐵是怎麼算錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8004].start |
19192.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8004].end |
19194.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8004].text |
這個不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[8005].start |
19194.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8005].end |
19196.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8005].text |
大家猜猜看高鐵的員工搭高鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[8006].start |
19196.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8006].end |
19198.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8006].text |
要不要收費要不要買票 |
| transcript.whisperx[8007].start |
19199.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[8007].end |
19201.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[8007].text |
要合理嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8008].start |
19201.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[8008].end |
19203.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[8008].text |
但是航空公司啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8009].start |
19202.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8009].end |
19204.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8009].text |
空服員啊如果這一班班機只要有空位 |
| transcript.whisperx[8010].start |
19205.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8010].end |
19207.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8010].text |
他其實是可以在一定額度內免費搭乘 |
| transcript.whisperx[8011].start |
19207.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8011].end |
19209.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8011].text |
你覺得可以接受嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8012].start |
19210.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8012].end |
19212.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8012].text |
合不合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[8013].start |
19212.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8013].end |
19214.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8013].text |
他是用現有的空位 |
| transcript.whisperx[8014].start |
19214.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8014].end |
19216.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8014].text |
去那邊餵艇嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8015].start |
19216.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8015].end |
19218.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8015].text |
其實這兩個來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[8016].start |
19218.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8016].end |
19220.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8016].text |
如果是台電的員工電費半價 |
| transcript.whisperx[8017].start |
19220.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8017].end |
19222.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8017].text |
對台電的股東跟其他的用料 |
| transcript.whisperx[8018].start |
19222.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8018].end |
19224.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8018].text |
有一點點不太公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[8019].start |
19224.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8019].end |
19226.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8019].text |
因為電你把它用掉別人就用不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8020].start |
19226.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8020].end |
19228.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8020].text |
但是如果是空位搭乘 |
| transcript.whisperx[8021].start |
19228.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8021].end |
19230.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8021].text |
航空公司或高鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[8022].start |
19230.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8022].end |
19232.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8022].text |
空位搭乘本來就沒有人搭啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8023].start |
19232.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8023].end |
19234.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8023].text |
所以不用算錢可以接受啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8024].start |
19234.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8024].end |
19236.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8024].text |
所以一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8025].start |
19236.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8025].end |
19238.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8025].text |
體系服務體系在運作的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8026].start |
19238.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8026].end |
19240.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8026].text |
他必然的會對這個體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[8027].start |
19240.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8027].end |
19242.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8027].text |
提供服務者一些優惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[8028].start |
19243.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[8028].end |
19245.62 |
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所以我們的 |
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19245.55 |
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19247.55 |
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健保體系很多人有貢獻 |
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19248.05 |
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19250.05 |
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我覺得最近大家最引起注目的就是 |
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19250.05 |
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19252.05 |
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護理人員 |
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19251.76 |
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19253.76 |
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很辛苦而且我看得到 |
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19253.76 |
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19255.76 |
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感受最直接對不對 |
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19255.76 |
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19257.76 |
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很多人啊在台灣這個年代 |
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19258.53 |
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19260.53 |
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比我早一點的在家裡生的是 |
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19260.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[8036].end |
19262.53 |
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那個助產室 |
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19262.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[8037].end |
19264.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[8037].text |
助產室接生的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8038].start |
19264.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[8038].end |
19266.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[8038].text |
像我這個是在醫院生的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8039].start |
19266.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[8039].end |
19268.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[8039].text |
其實第一個張開眼睛看到的是什麼 |
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19268.53 |
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19270.53 |
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是護理人員是不是 |
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19270.53 |
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19272.53 |
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所以如果你覺得我們的健保系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[8042].start |
19272.53 |
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19274.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[8042].text |
我們國民的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8043].start |
19274.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[8043].end |
19276.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[8043].text |
滿意度這麼高 |
| transcript.whisperx[8044].start |
19275.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8044].end |
19279.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8044].text |
對這些人員給予一些在健保使用上的優惠 |
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19279.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[8045].end |
19281.99 |
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你覺得可以考慮嗎 |
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19283.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[8046].end |
19285.82 |
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我們用很多種嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8047].start |
19285.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[8047].end |
19287.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[8047].text |
對不對 |
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19287.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[8048].end |
19289.82 |
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譬如說我曾經長年捐血 |
| transcript.whisperx[8049].start |
19289.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[8049].end |
19291.82 |
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那我得到的是什麼 |
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19291.82 |
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19293.82 |
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如果未來我本人 |
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19293.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[8051].end |
19295.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[8051].text |
或者自親親屬 |
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19295.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[8052].end |
19297.82 |
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需要用血的時候捐血中心說 |
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19297.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[8053].end |
19299.82 |
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我可以優先使用你覺得合理嗎 |
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19301.76 |
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19303.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8054].text |
我覺得這個規定可不合理 |
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19303.76 |
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19305.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8055].text |
我們還是按照那個使用的規定 |
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19305.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8056].end |
19307.76 |
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捐血的話如果我有捐血 |
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19307.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8057].end |
19309.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8057].text |
我的自親親屬需要用血我本人 |
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19309.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8058].end |
19311.76 |
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所以捐血中心說我可以優先使用 |
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19311.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8059].end |
19313.76 |
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你覺得這樣的一個規定 |
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19313.76 |
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19315.76 |
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合人情吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[8061].start |
19318.18 |
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19320.18 |
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這個優先 |
| transcript.whisperx[8062].start |
19320.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8062].end |
19322.18 |
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我是想捐血我不是問你健保 |
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19322.18 |
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19324.18 |
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因為我們還是從這個生命上的 |
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19324.18 |
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19326.18 |
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使用的優先順序去看 |
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19326.18 |
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19328.18 |
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這個對部長來講 |
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19328.18 |
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19330.18 |
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這可能是個哲學的問題 |
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19330.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8067].end |
19332.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8067].text |
但我覺得你值得去思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[8068].start |
19332.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8068].end |
19334.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8068].text |
其實我們今天在看健保的滿意度 |
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19334.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8069].end |
19336.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8069].text |
其實我們都忽略了一點 |
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19336.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8070].end |
19338.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8070].text |
其實健保我們其實是 |
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19338.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8071].end |
19340.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8071].text |
得到的遠比我們付出的多 |
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19340.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8072].end |
19342.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8072].text |
我想平心而論 |
| transcript.whisperx[8073].start |
19342.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8073].end |
19344.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8073].text |
雖然我已經很久沒有使用健保卡了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8074].start |
19343.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8074].end |
19345.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8074].text |
但是我覺得在台灣社會 |
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19345.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8075].end |
19347.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8075].text |
要讓健保的品質維持服務 |
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19347.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8076].end |
19349.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8076].text |
部長也很用心嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8077].start |
19349.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8077].end |
19351.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8077].text |
這件你也提出怎麼樣增加健保收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[8078].start |
19351.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8078].end |
19353.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8078].text |
對不對你說健保的補充保費 |
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19353.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8079].end |
19355.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8079].text |
那後來什麼原因你覺得要重新考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[8080].start |
19358.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[8080].end |
19360.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[8080].text |
健保的補充保費 |
| transcript.whisperx[8081].start |
19361.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8081].end |
19363.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8081].text |
這一點不堪回首 |
| transcript.whisperx[8082].start |
19363.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8082].end |
19367.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8082].text |
主要還是希望減少大家的衝擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8083].start |
19367.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8083].end |
19369.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8083].text |
讓有能者多付一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[8084].start |
19369.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8084].end |
19371.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8084].text |
你說的很好有能者 |
| transcript.whisperx[8085].start |
19371.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8085].end |
19373.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8085].text |
我們健保的收費 |
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19373.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8086].end |
19375.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8086].text |
有點跟稅很像 |
| transcript.whisperx[8087].start |
19375.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8087].end |
19377.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8087].text |
其實我們的補充保費 |
| transcript.whisperx[8088].start |
19377.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8088].end |
19379.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8088].text |
你知道把兩萬元以上的利息 |
| transcript.whisperx[8089].start |
19379.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8089].end |
19381.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8089].text |
才會要扣補充保費 |
| transcript.whisperx[8090].start |
19381.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8090].end |
19383.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8090].text |
那如果我不想付 |
| transcript.whisperx[8091].start |
19383.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8091].end |
19385.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8091].text |
我就讓我那個帳戶不要超過兩萬塊的利息 |
| transcript.whisperx[8092].start |
19385.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8092].end |
19387.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8092].text |
那你知道利息要不要繳 |
| transcript.whisperx[8093].start |
19387.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8093].end |
19389.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8093].text |
綜合所得稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[8094].start |
19390.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8094].end |
19392.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8094].text |
要嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8095].start |
19392.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8095].end |
19394.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8095].text |
股票大漲我分配到的股利 |
| transcript.whisperx[8096].start |
19394.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8096].end |
19396.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8096].text |
要不要繳綜合所得稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[8097].start |
19396.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8097].end |
19398.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8097].text |
要但是要不要繳補充保費 |
| transcript.whisperx[8098].start |
19398.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8098].end |
19400.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8098].text |
要看情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[8099].start |
19401.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8099].end |
19403.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8099].text |
所以我覺得目前股市一片大好的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8100].start |
19403.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8100].end |
19405.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8100].text |
對於這些一般的退休的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8101].start |
19405.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8101].end |
19407.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8101].text |
他靠著銀行存款的利息 |
| transcript.whisperx[8102].start |
19407.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8102].end |
19409.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8102].text |
靠著投資幾張股票的股息 |
| transcript.whisperx[8103].start |
19409.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8103].end |
19411.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8103].text |
在過日子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8104].start |
19411.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8104].end |
19413.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8104].text |
我覺得不需要跟他計較補充保費 |
| transcript.whisperx[8105].start |
19413.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8105].end |
19415.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8105].text |
但是如果是我有好幾百張台積電的股票 |
| transcript.whisperx[8106].start |
19415.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8106].end |
19417.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8106].text |
我可能靠著配息 |
| transcript.whisperx[8107].start |
19417.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8107].end |
19419.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8107].text |
你覺得我有沒有能力多付那一年補充保費 |
| transcript.whisperx[8108].start |
19419.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8108].end |
19421.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8108].text |
應該有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8109].start |
19421.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8109].end |
19423.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8109].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[8110].start |
19423.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8110].end |
19425.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8110].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[8111].start |
19425.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8111].end |
19427.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8111].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[8112].start |
19427.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8112].end |
19429.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8112].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[8113].start |
19425.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8113].end |
19427.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8113].text |
兩個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[8114].start |
19427.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8114].end |
19429.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8114].text |
如果未來我們有機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8115].start |
19429.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8115].end |
19431.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8115].text |
透過這個方式讓更有能力的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8116].start |
19431.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8116].end |
19433.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8116].text |
多付一些補充保費 |
| transcript.whisperx[8117].start |
19433.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8117].end |
19435.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8117].text |
就是利息收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[8118].start |
19435.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8118].end |
19437.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8118].text |
三百萬的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8119].start |
19437.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8119].end |
19439.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8119].text |
跟利息收入三萬塊的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8120].start |
19439.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8120].end |
19441.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8120].text |
他付的補充保費的費率不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8121].start |
19441.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8121].end |
19443.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8121].text |
費率是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8122].start |
19443.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8122].end |
19445.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8122].text |
可是年所得三千萬的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8123].start |
19445.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8123].end |
19447.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8123].text |
跟年所得三百萬的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8124].start |
19447.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8124].end |
19449.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8124].text |
他的所得稅稅率不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8125].start |
19449.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8125].end |
19451.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8125].text |
那您了解了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8126].start |
19451.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8126].end |
19453.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8126].text |
我想部長很聰明 |
| transcript.whisperx[8127].start |
19453.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8127].end |
19455.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8127].text |
我覺得在目前大家關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[8128].start |
19455.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8128].end |
19457.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8128].text |
包括整個健保體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[8129].start |
19457.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8129].end |
19459.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8129].text |
付出很多心力 |
| transcript.whisperx[8130].start |
19459.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8130].end |
19461.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8130].text |
像我們現場的護理人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[8131].start |
19461.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8131].end |
19463.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8131].text |
我們社會都是感恩跟肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[8132].start |
19463.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8132].end |
19465.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8132].text |
那我們希望他的所得能夠提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[8133].start |
19465.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8133].end |
19467.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8133].text |
給付能夠增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[8134].start |
19467.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8134].end |
19469.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8134].text |
可是部長想到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8135].start |
19469.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8135].end |
19471.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8135].text |
永續發展我的收入也要增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[8136].start |
19471.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8136].end |
19473.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8136].text |
你就不得不從補充保費 |
| transcript.whisperx[8137].start |
19473.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8137].end |
19475.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8137].text |
去著手對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8138].start |
19475.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8138].end |
19477.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8138].text |
可是補充保費要看對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[8139].start |
19477.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8139].end |
19479.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[8139].text |
所以我剛剛講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8140].start |
19478.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[8140].end |
19480.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[8140].text |
如果利息收入高達三百萬的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8141].start |
19480.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[8141].end |
19482.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[8141].text |
跟利息收入三萬塊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8142].start |
19482.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[8142].end |
19484.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[8142].text |
是不是補充保費 |
| transcript.whisperx[8143].start |
19484.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[8143].end |
19486.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[8143].text |
應該不太一樣的手法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8144].start |
19486.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8144].end |
19490.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8144].text |
我們當然現在有一個補充保費的天花板 |
| transcript.whisperx[8145].start |
19490.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8145].end |
19492.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8145].text |
那費率是相同 |
| transcript.whisperx[8146].start |
19492.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8146].end |
19494.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8146].text |
對費率都一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8147].start |
19494.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8147].end |
19496.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8147].text |
天花板是一千萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[8148].start |
19496.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8148].end |
19498.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8148].text |
所以我是覺得費率可以不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[8149].start |
19498.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8149].end |
19500.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8149].text |
天花板可以提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[8150].start |
19500.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8150].end |
19502.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8150].text |
要不然往這方面去思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8151].start |
19502.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8151].end |
19504.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8151].text |
後面的說法一點都眼睛都快掉下來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8152].start |
19504.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8152].end |
19506.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8152].text |
所以我是這樣的一個思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[8153].start |
19506.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8153].end |
19508.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8153].text |
希望部長往這兩個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[8154].start |
19508.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8154].end |
19510.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8154].text |
就是我們的健保要永續經營 |
| transcript.whisperx[8155].start |
19510.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8155].end |
19512.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8155].text |
一定要提高他的收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[8156].start |
19512.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8156].end |
19514.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8156].text |
收入的可以找有能力的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8157].start |
19514.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8157].end |
19516.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8157].text |
比較好能力的人來提取好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8158].start |
19518.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8158].end |
19520.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8158].text |
差別取價 |
| transcript.whisperx[8159].start |
19520.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8159].end |
19522.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8159].text |
不是差別取價 |
| transcript.whisperx[8160].start |
19522.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8160].end |
19524.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8160].text |
但是如果我們健保的收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[8161].start |
19524.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8161].end |
19526.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8161].text |
竟然提高了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8162].start |
19526.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8162].end |
19528.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8162].text |
那怎麼樣回饋到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8163].start |
19528.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8163].end |
19530.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[8163].text |
支撐健保體系的這些人的身上 |
| transcript.whisperx[8164].start |
19531.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8164].end |
19533.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8164].text |
這樣就有空間了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8165].start |
19533.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8165].end |
19535.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8165].text |
那我就剛剛拋出來嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8166].start |
19535.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8166].end |
19537.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8166].text |
那如果是護理人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[8167].start |
19537.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8167].end |
19539.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8167].text |
就像我說我們過去是台電的員工子弟 |
| transcript.whisperx[8168].start |
19539.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8168].end |
19541.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8168].text |
我們的家庭過去電費是半價 |
| transcript.whisperx[8169].start |
19541.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8169].end |
19543.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8169].text |
那有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[8170].start |
19543.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8170].end |
19545.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8170].text |
為了不來思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8171].start |
19545.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8171].end |
19547.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8171].text |
給予這些支撐健保體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[8172].start |
19547.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8172].end |
19549.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8172].text |
非常辛苦的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8173].start |
19549.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8173].end |
19551.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8173].text |
縱使我不能夠幫他加薪 |
| transcript.whisperx[8174].start |
19551.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8174].end |
19553.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8174].text |
我可以減輕他的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[8175].start |
19553.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8175].end |
19555.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8175].text |
部長這樣可以思考一下嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8176].start |
19555.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8176].end |
19557.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8176].text |
這個需要很慎重的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[8177].start |
19557.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8177].end |
19559.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8177].text |
當然我覺得您的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[8178].start |
19559.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8178].end |
19561.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8178].text |
您的推出來的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[8179].start |
19561.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8179].end |
19563.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8179].text |
要很慎重的因為遷移法動全身 |
| transcript.whisperx[8180].start |
19563.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8180].end |
19565.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8180].text |
所以今天只提供這兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8181].start |
19565.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8181].end |
19567.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8181].text |
你的健保保費從哪裡來增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[8182].start |
19567.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8182].end |
19569.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8182].text |
你得到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8183].start |
19569.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8183].end |
19571.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8183].text |
增加的這個健保的收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[8184].start |
19571.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8184].end |
19573.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8184].text |
用在誰身上 |
| transcript.whisperx[8185].start |
19573.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8185].end |
19575.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8185].text |
這兩個方向部長願意帶回去思考嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8186].start |
19575.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8186].end |
19577.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8186].text |
我希望說今天是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8187].start |
19577.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8187].end |
19579.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8187].text |
會議的最後一位發言者 |
| transcript.whisperx[8188].start |
19579.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8188].end |
19581.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8188].text |
我就簡單輕鬆的這樣請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[8189].start |
19581.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8189].end |
19583.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8189].text |
也謝謝主席的容忍謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[8190].start |
19584.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8190].end |
19586.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8190].text |
謝謝曾嘉賓的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8191].start |
19587.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8191].end |
19589.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8191].text |
羅明才 |
| transcript.whisperx[8192].start |
19589.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8192].end |
19591.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8192].text |
羅明才委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8193].start |
19591.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8193].end |
19593.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8193].text |
真正錢真正錢真正錢委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8194].start |
19597.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[8194].end |
19599.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[8194].text |
留情國 |
| transcript.whisperx[8195].start |
19602.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[8195].end |
19604.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[8195].text |
哈哈 |
| transcript.whisperx[8196].start |
19604.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[8196].end |
19606.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[8196].text |
留情國委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8197].start |
19615.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[8197].end |
19617.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[8197].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[8198].start |
19617.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[8198].end |
19619.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[8198].text |
有連結的等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8199].start |
19619.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[8199].end |
19621.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[8199].text |
請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8200].start |
19624.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8200].end |
19626.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8200].text |
部長兩點半 |
| transcript.whisperx[8201].start |
19626.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8201].end |
19628.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8201].text |
有重要的會後 |
| transcript.whisperx[8202].start |
19628.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8202].end |
19630.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8202].text |
記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8203].start |
19630.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8203].end |
19632.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8203].text |
有重要的會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8204].start |
19632.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8204].end |
19634.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8204].text |
我等一下問你就即時回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[8205].start |
19634.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8205].end |
19636.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8205].text |
該承諾的該答應的就簡單二要 |
| transcript.whisperx[8206].start |
19636.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8206].end |
19638.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8206].text |
我們就時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[8207].start |
19638.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8207].end |
19640.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8207].text |
以前讓你離開 |
| transcript.whisperx[8208].start |
19640.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8208].end |
19642.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8208].text |
如果不承諾不答應 |
| transcript.whisperx[8209].start |
19642.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8209].end |
19644.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8209].text |
你就三點以後才離開 |
| transcript.whisperx[8210].start |
19647.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8210].end |
19649.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8210].text |
這個前台到底有多少英美診所裝設真孔攝影 |
| transcript.whisperx[8211].start |
19651.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[8211].end |
19653.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[8211].text |
有掌握了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8212].start |
19653.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8212].end |
19655.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8212].text |
目前沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8213].start |
19655.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8213].end |
19657.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8213].text |
那在這一家 |
| transcript.whisperx[8214].start |
19657.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8214].end |
19659.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8214].text |
愛爾利包含裝設 |
| transcript.whisperx[8215].start |
19659.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8215].end |
19661.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8215].text |
這個在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8216].start |
19661.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8216].end |
19663.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8216].text |
真孔攝影在這個天花板的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8217].start |
19663.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8217].end |
19665.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8217].text |
驗物偵測器裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8218].start |
19665.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8218].end |
19667.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8218].text |
然後後續入區 |
| transcript.whisperx[8219].start |
19667.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8219].end |
19669.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8219].text |
有爆出三家 |
| transcript.whisperx[8220].start |
19669.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8220].end |
19671.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8220].text |
英美診所對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8221].start |
19671.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8221].end |
19673.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8221].text |
都有裝設到10日前 |
| transcript.whisperx[8222].start |
19673.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8222].end |
19675.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8222].text |
已經有4家機構被查到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8223].start |
19675.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8223].end |
19677.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8223].text |
都沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[8224].start |
19677.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8224].end |
19679.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8224].text |
那昨天又傳出 |
| transcript.whisperx[8225].start |
19679.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8225].end |
19681.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8225].text |
資本的產後護理之家 |
| transcript.whisperx[8226].start |
19681.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8226].end |
19683.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8226].text |
發現有疑似的這個真孔攝影器 |
| transcript.whisperx[8227].start |
19683.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8227].end |
19685.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8227].text |
雖然初步 |
| transcript.whisperx[8228].start |
19685.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8228].end |
19687.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8228].text |
這個調查是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8229].start |
19687.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8229].end |
19689.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8229].text |
可能是錄音的設備線材 |
| transcript.whisperx[8230].start |
19689.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8230].end |
19691.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8230].text |
但偷錄音也算是侵害隱私的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[8231].start |
19691.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8231].end |
19693.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8231].text |
這個也不容許 |
| transcript.whisperx[8232].start |
19693.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8232].end |
19695.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8232].text |
那這件事有掌握嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8233].start |
19695.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[8233].end |
19697.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[8233].text |
這個要全面的盤查下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[8234].start |
19697.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[8234].end |
19699.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[8234].text |
不是 先針對這一家 |
| transcript.whisperx[8235].start |
19699.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[8235].end |
19701.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[8235].text |
你們有掌握嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8236].start |
19702.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[8236].end |
19704.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[8236].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8237].start |
19704.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8237].end |
19706.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8237].text |
台北市政府已經去查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8238].start |
19706.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8238].end |
19708.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8238].text |
那目前找到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8239].start |
19708.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8239].end |
19710.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8239].text |
不是那個錄影機 |
| transcript.whisperx[8240].start |
19710.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8240].end |
19712.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8240].text |
但是還是持續在確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[8241].start |
19712.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8241].end |
19714.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8241].text |
不是錄影機 還有錄音機吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[8242].start |
19714.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8242].end |
19716.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8242].text |
錄音也不行啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8243].start |
19715.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8243].end |
19717.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8243].text |
它不是真孔錄影 |
| transcript.whisperx[8244].start |
19717.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8244].end |
19719.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8244].text |
那是一個消防安全的煙霧 |
| transcript.whisperx[8245].start |
19719.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8245].end |
19721.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8245].text |
不過現在還在釐清中 |
| transcript.whisperx[8246].start |
19721.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8246].end |
19723.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8246].text |
還沒有完全掌握到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8247].start |
19723.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8247].end |
19725.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8247].text |
還沒有完全掌握到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8248].start |
19725.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8248].end |
19727.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8248].text |
那這個報導已經出來了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8249].start |
19727.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8249].end |
19729.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8249].text |
我一直想說大家會想問的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8250].start |
19729.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8250].end |
19731.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8250].text |
這個全國到底有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8251].start |
19731.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8251].end |
19733.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8251].text |
全國到底有多少家的英美診所 |
| transcript.whisperx[8252].start |
19733.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8252].end |
19735.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8252].text |
做這種事情嗎 包含這個護理之家 |
| transcript.whisperx[8253].start |
19735.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8253].end |
19737.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8253].text |
我想在病患服務的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[8254].start |
19737.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8254].end |
19739.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8254].text |
家屬都不清不楚的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8255].start |
19739.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8255].end |
19741.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8255].text |
這些被偽裝成為天花板 |
| transcript.whisperx[8256].start |
19741.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8256].end |
19743.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8256].text |
這煙霧偵測器 |
| transcript.whisperx[8257].start |
19743.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8257].end |
19745.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8257].text |
或是聲孔攝影器材 |
| transcript.whisperx[8258].start |
19745.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8258].end |
19747.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8258].text |
或是錄影或是錄音 |
| transcript.whisperx[8259].start |
19747.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8259].end |
19749.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8259].text |
那剛剛市長又講 |
| transcript.whisperx[8260].start |
19749.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8260].end |
19751.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8260].text |
那個不是天花板的那種 |
| transcript.whisperx[8261].start |
19751.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8261].end |
19753.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8261].text |
偵測煙霧器 |
| transcript.whisperx[8262].start |
19753.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8262].end |
19755.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8262].text |
可能又另外一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[8263].start |
19755.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8263].end |
19757.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8263].text |
形式上的器材嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8264].start |
19757.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8264].end |
19759.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8264].text |
這可能會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8265].start |
19759.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[8265].end |
19761.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[8265].text |
我覺得會蠻多的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8266].start |
19761.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[8266].end |
19763.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[8266].text |
然後9月的時候媒體是這麼報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[8267].start |
19763.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[8267].end |
19765.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[8267].text |
他說偷拍疑雲進到這個英美圈 |
| transcript.whisperx[8268].start |
19765.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[8268].end |
19767.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[8268].text |
他說偷拍疑雲進到這個英美圈 |
| transcript.whisperx[8269].start |
19767.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[8269].end |
19769.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[8269].text |
外部出手5月13號開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8270].start |
19769.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[8270].end |
19771.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[8270].text |
不排除全台普查 |
| transcript.whisperx[8271].start |
19771.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[8271].end |
19773.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[8271].text |
沒有錯嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8272].start |
19774.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8272].end |
19776.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8272].text |
謝謝大家的觀看 |
| transcript.whisperx[8273].start |
19775.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8273].end |
19777.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8273].text |
你現在是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8274].start |
19776.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8274].end |
19778.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8274].text |
為什麼做這樣的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[8275].start |
19778.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8275].end |
19780.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8275].text |
應該是這樣講就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8276].start |
19780.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8276].end |
19782.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8276].text |
每年本來地方衛生局就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8277].start |
19782.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8277].end |
19784.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8277].text |
對醫療機構做督導考核 |
| transcript.whisperx[8278].start |
19784.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8278].end |
19786.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8278].text |
那個其實也是一種普查啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8279].start |
19786.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8279].end |
19788.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8279].text |
只是過去沒有特別著重 |
| transcript.whisperx[8280].start |
19788.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8280].end |
19790.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8280].text |
在這一些所裝設的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8281].start |
19790.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8281].end |
19792.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8281].text |
所裝設的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8282].start |
19792.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8282].end |
19794.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8282].text |
攝影機啦 他的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8283].start |
19794.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8283].end |
19796.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8283].text |
機盒 所以這一次會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8284].start |
19796.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8284].end |
19798.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8284].text |
特別現在13號要先開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8285].start |
19798.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8285].end |
19800.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8285].text |
找國際機構來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8286].start |
19800.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8286].end |
19802.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8286].text |
沒有特別的攝影機 |
| transcript.whisperx[8287].start |
19802.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8287].end |
19804.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8287].text |
去機盒嘛 因為他常在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8288].start |
19804.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8288].end |
19806.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8288].text |
天花板的煙霧偵測器裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8289].start |
19806.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8289].end |
19808.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8289].text |
你當然查不到嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8290].start |
19808.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8290].end |
19810.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8290].text |
那你遭告5月13號 |
| transcript.whisperx[8291].start |
19810.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8291].end |
19812.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8291].text |
你是叫做落日條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[8292].start |
19812.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8292].end |
19814.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8292].text |
不是落日啦 這是跟衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[8293].start |
19814.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8293].end |
19816.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8293].text |
大家討論完之後就開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[8294].start |
19816.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8294].end |
19818.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8294].text |
你討論完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[8295].start |
19818.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8295].end |
19820.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8295].text |
台南市政府也不用等到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8296].start |
19820.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8296].end |
19822.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8296].text |
你討論完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[8297].start |
19822.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8297].end |
19824.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8297].text |
沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8298].start |
19824.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8298].end |
19826.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8298].text |
我們現在是全國一致性 |
| transcript.whisperx[8299].start |
19826.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8299].end |
19828.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8299].text |
對嘛 你全國一致性 |
| transcript.whisperx[8300].start |
19828.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8300].end |
19830.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8300].text |
你是公告全國的醫美診所 |
| transcript.whisperx[8301].start |
19830.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8301].end |
19832.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8301].text |
來喔 我當時要開始了喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[8302].start |
19832.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8302].end |
19834.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8302].text |
你要走的你趕快走喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[8303].start |
19834.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8303].end |
19836.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8303].text |
沒有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8304].start |
19836.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8304].end |
19838.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8304].text |
你現在這樣又沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8305].start |
19838.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8305].end |
19840.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8305].text |
這生命就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8306].start |
19840.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8306].end |
19842.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8306].text |
不定 我們誠實以對好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8307].start |
19845.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8307].end |
19847.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8307].text |
你就是例行性的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8308].start |
19847.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8308].end |
19849.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8308].text |
機盒的過程裡面就是沒有查到嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8309].start |
19849.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8309].end |
19851.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8309].text |
今天這個人家是投訴的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8310].start |
19851.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8310].end |
19853.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8310].text |
又不是你們查到的 對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8311].start |
19853.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8311].end |
19855.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8311].text |
那你現在又5月13號要召開全國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8312].start |
19855.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8312].end |
19857.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8312].text |
這個地方衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[8313].start |
19857.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8313].end |
19859.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8313].text |
然後說我們要開這個會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8314].start |
19859.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8314].end |
19861.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8314].text |
然後我們就要來不排除全國普查嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8315].start |
19861.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8315].end |
19863.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8315].text |
所以5月13號過後這個會開完 |
| transcript.whisperx[8316].start |
19863.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8316].end |
19865.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8316].text |
還有一個禮拜時間給你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[8317].start |
19869.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8317].end |
19871.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8317].text |
我還要你覺得台北沒有你你說我聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[8318].start |
19871.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8318].end |
19873.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8318].text |
對啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8319].start |
19873.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8319].end |
19875.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8319].text |
你如果說台北沒有你我現在來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8320].start |
19875.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8320].end |
19877.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8320].text |
你去問你的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[8321].start |
19877.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8321].end |
19879.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8321].text |
但是沒有開喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[8322].start |
19879.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8322].end |
19881.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8322].text |
你不用開台南市衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[8323].start |
19881.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8323].end |
19883.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8323].text |
我們就在你上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8324].start |
19883.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8324].end |
19885.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8324].text |
南馬雄九二月日期發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[8325].start |
19885.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8325].end |
19887.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8325].text |
一家 |
| transcript.whisperx[8326].start |
19887.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8326].end |
19889.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8326].text |
裝有真孔攝影一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8327].start |
19889.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8327].end |
19891.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8327].text |
在天花板的煙霧器 |
| transcript.whisperx[8328].start |
19891.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8328].end |
19893.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8328].text |
煙霧偵測器上啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8329].start |
19893.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8329].end |
19895.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8329].text |
的醫美診所啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8330].start |
19895.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8330].end |
19897.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8330].text |
我們就查到了啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8331].start |
19897.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8331].end |
19899.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8331].text |
你開會啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8332].start |
19899.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8332].end |
19901.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8332].text |
我們就處理了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8333].start |
19901.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8333].end |
19903.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8333].text |
現在台南市長署你做給你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[8334].start |
19903.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8334].end |
19905.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8334].text |
結果你5月13號才開啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8335].start |
19904.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8335].end |
19906.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8335].text |
你怎麼會中 |
| transcript.whisperx[8336].start |
19906.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8336].end |
19908.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8336].text |
那是不對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8337].start |
19908.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[8337].end |
19910.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[8337].text |
那就是不對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8338].start |
19910.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[8338].end |
19912.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[8338].text |
你現在應該是趕緊通應了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8339].start |
19912.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[8339].end |
19914.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[8339].text |
你別人唱我趕緊去查嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8340].start |
19915.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[8340].end |
19917.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[8340].text |
你有什麼利誘不要查 |
| transcript.whisperx[8341].start |
19917.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[8341].end |
19919.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[8341].text |
你有什麼自然成嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8342].start |
19918.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8342].end |
19920.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8342].text |
你要馬上去掌握嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8343].start |
19920.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8343].end |
19922.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8343].text |
等你到5月13號才召開這個會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8344].start |
19922.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8344].end |
19924.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8344].text |
所以我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8345].start |
19924.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8345].end |
19926.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8345].text |
我用多點時間跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[8346].start |
19926.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8346].end |
19928.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8346].text |
基本上不夠混啊也不為過啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8347].start |
19929.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[8347].end |
19931.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[8347].text |
好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8348].start |
19930.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[8348].end |
19932.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[8348].text |
我們今天就去發文啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8349].start |
19932.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[8349].end |
19934.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[8349].text |
我跟他搏鬥你不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8350].start |
19934.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[8350].end |
19936.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[8350].text |
你的經驗跟你的故事不會做這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[8351].start |
19936.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[8351].end |
19938.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[8351].text |
除非 |
| transcript.whisperx[8352].start |
19937.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8352].end |
19939.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8352].text |
除非有陰謀 |
| transcript.whisperx[8353].start |
19939.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8353].end |
19941.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8353].text |
沒有啦沒什麼陰謀啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8354].start |
19941.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8354].end |
19943.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8354].text |
你現在有陰謀你才這樣做嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8355].start |
19943.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8355].end |
19945.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8355].text |
不然市長要限你不易啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8356].start |
19945.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8356].end |
19947.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8356].text |
沒有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8357].start |
19947.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8357].end |
19949.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8357].text |
我今天跟你講地方政府在8號就走了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8358].start |
19949.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8358].end |
19951.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8358].text |
就開始查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8359].start |
19951.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8359].end |
19953.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8359].text |
隔天就查到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8360].start |
19953.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8360].end |
19955.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8360].text |
你們過去例行信用就查不到嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8361].start |
19955.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8361].end |
19957.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8361].text |
人家現在查 |
| transcript.whisperx[8362].start |
19957.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8362].end |
19959.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8362].text |
就查得到嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8363].start |
19959.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8363].end |
19961.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8363].text |
那你還有5月13號召開這個會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8364].start |
19961.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8364].end |
19963.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8364].text |
的意義目的是什麼嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8365].start |
19963.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8365].end |
19965.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8365].text |
跟委員說明上個禮拜我們就已經發文了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8366].start |
19965.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8366].end |
19967.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8366].text |
是針對這幾個縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[8367].start |
19967.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8367].end |
19969.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8367].text |
他有集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[8368].start |
19969.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8368].end |
19971.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8368].text |
在那個縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[8369].start |
19971.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8369].end |
19973.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8369].text |
不見得還沒查 |
| transcript.whisperx[8370].start |
19973.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8370].end |
19975.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8370].text |
但是就一定先叫人去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[8371].start |
19975.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8371].end |
19977.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8371].text |
所以這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8372].start |
19977.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8372].end |
19979.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8372].text |
先針對這個醫美集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[8373].start |
19979.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8373].end |
19981.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8373].text |
所在他有在那個縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[8374].start |
19981.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8374].end |
19983.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8374].text |
有分店的有一個集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[8375].start |
19983.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8375].end |
19985.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8375].text |
我們就開始了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8376].start |
19985.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8376].end |
19987.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8376].text |
所以全面性 |
| transcript.whisperx[8377].start |
19987.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8377].end |
19989.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8377].text |
當然各縣市衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[8378].start |
19989.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8378].end |
19991.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8378].text |
隨時可以開始沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8379].start |
19991.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8379].end |
19993.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8379].text |
那麼我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8380].start |
19993.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8380].end |
19995.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8380].text |
這個意思是預計 |
| transcript.whisperx[8381].start |
19995.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8381].end |
19997.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8381].text |
安排5月13號是對這個裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[8382].start |
19997.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8382].end |
19999.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8382].text |
的基準要發什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[8383].start |
19999.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8383].end |
20001.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8383].text |
根據哪些條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[8384].start |
20001.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8384].end |
20003.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8384].text |
應該要重罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[8385].start |
20003.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8385].end |
20005.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8385].text |
這要有一個要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[8386].start |
20005.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8386].end |
20007.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8386].text |
部長我真的是善意建議啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8387].start |
20007.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8387].end |
20009.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8387].text |
你如果很忙你給他遇到負併賓的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[8388].start |
20009.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8388].end |
20011.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8388].text |
我其實剛才問負併賓的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8389].start |
20011.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8389].end |
20013.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8389].text |
你問了來寫你也很難給我回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[8390].start |
20013.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8390].end |
20015.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8390].text |
我是要跟你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8391].start |
20015.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8391].end |
20017.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8391].text |
這種事你如果這樣處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[8392].start |
20017.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8392].end |
20019.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[8392].text |
其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8393].start |
20017.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8393].end |
20019.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[8393].text |
是我覺得有點 |
| transcript.whisperx[8394].start |
20020.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[8394].end |
20022.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[8394].text |
有點不自然 |
| transcript.whisperx[8395].start |
20022.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[8395].end |
20024.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[8395].text |
如果今天地方政府沒有走 |
| transcript.whisperx[8396].start |
20024.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[8396].end |
20026.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[8396].text |
我不會引用這個例子來提醒你 |
| transcript.whisperx[8397].start |
20026.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[8397].end |
20028.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[8397].text |
人家已經走了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8398].start |
20028.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[8398].end |
20030.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[8398].text |
今天是511 |
| transcript.whisperx[8399].start |
20030.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[8399].end |
20032.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[8399].text |
人家5月9號就查到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8400].start |
20032.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[8400].end |
20034.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[8400].text |
你還到5月13你還不是要馬上查 |
| transcript.whisperx[8401].start |
20035.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8401].end |
20037.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8401].text |
所以你趕快通應下去嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8402].start |
20037.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8402].end |
20039.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[8402].text |
市長做得到吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[8403].start |
20039.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8403].end |
20041.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8403].text |
可以啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8404].start |
20049.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8404].end |
20051.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8404].text |
大家是依據哪個法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[8405].start |
20051.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8405].end |
20053.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8405].text |
查的違法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8406].start |
20053.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8406].end |
20055.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8406].text |
那個法條依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[8407].start |
20055.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8407].end |
20057.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8407].text |
沒有啦你們只有查到一下而已啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8408].start |
20058.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8408].end |
20060.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8408].text |
公文今天才發嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8409].start |
20060.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8409].end |
20062.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8409].text |
公文是今天發另外三個集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[8410].start |
20062.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8410].end |
20064.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8410].text |
5月8號艾爾利就已經發下去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8411].start |
20064.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8411].end |
20066.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8411].text |
你要全國捕捉怎麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[8412].start |
20066.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8412].end |
20068.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8412].text |
只有要三家而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[8413].start |
20068.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8413].end |
20070.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8413].text |
那三家跟你們編長就是互動不是很良好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8414].start |
20070.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8414].end |
20072.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8414].text |
所以就優先處理這三家 |
| transcript.whisperx[8415].start |
20072.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8415].end |
20074.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8415].text |
你也很奇怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[8416].start |
20080 |
| transcript.whisperx[8416].end |
20082 |
| transcript.whisperx[8416].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8417].start |
20082 |
| transcript.whisperx[8417].end |
20084 |
| transcript.whisperx[8417].text |
不然你是做邏輯的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8418].start |
20084 |
| transcript.whisperx[8418].end |
20086 |
| transcript.whisperx[8418].text |
我這樣拿出來你覺得這個邏輯通嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8419].start |
20087.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[8419].end |
20089.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[8419].text |
這個處理的程序上這樣通嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8420].start |
20089.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[8420].end |
20091.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[8420].text |
底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8421].start |
20091.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8421].end |
20093.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8421].text |
各司的各署的都在嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8422].start |
20095.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8422].end |
20097.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8422].text |
你如果覺得你給我回答這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8423].start |
20097.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8423].end |
20099.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8423].text |
是覺得做生活懲處的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8424].start |
20099.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8424].end |
20101.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8424].text |
我告訴你不要問你現在好進去啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8425].start |
20101.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8425].end |
20103.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8425].text |
因為你兩點半嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8426].start |
20103.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8426].end |
20105.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8426].text |
13號分你用走的過得了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8427].start |
20106.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8427].end |
20108.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8427].text |
這個就這個我們完全同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[8428].start |
20108.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8428].end |
20110.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8428].text |
我們開始發文 |
| transcript.whisperx[8429].start |
20110.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8429].end |
20112.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8429].text |
全部都開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[8430].start |
20112.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8430].end |
20114.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8430].text |
今天就發文通一下去好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8431].start |
20114.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8431].end |
20116.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8431].text |
地方政府如果不做那是地方政府的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8432].start |
20116.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8432].end |
20118.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8432].text |
地方政府如果自然安心請求你們協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[8433].start |
20118.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8433].end |
20120.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8433].text |
那你當然要協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[8434].start |
20120.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8434].end |
20122.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8434].text |
第二個題目 |
| transcript.whisperx[8435].start |
20122.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8435].end |
20124.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8435].text |
這個AI已經成為社會的新潮流 |
| transcript.whisperx[8436].start |
20124.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8436].end |
20126.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8436].text |
百公百業大家AI的輔助 |
| transcript.whisperx[8437].start |
20126.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8437].end |
20128.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8437].text |
也是一個趨勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8438].start |
20128.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8438].end |
20130.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8438].text |
那醫療產業也是在一馬當先 |
| transcript.whisperx[8439].start |
20130.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8439].end |
20132.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8439].text |
但是部長你是領導社政跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[8440].start |
20132.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8440].end |
20134.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8440].text |
這個醫政嘛那醫政已經走了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8441].start |
20134.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8441].end |
20136.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[8441].text |
非常大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8442].start |
20137.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[8442].end |
20139.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[8442].text |
社政AI的運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[8443].start |
20139.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8443].end |
20141.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8443].text |
我們也是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8444].start |
20141.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8444].end |
20143.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8444].text |
在長照3.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[8445].start |
20143.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8445].end |
20145.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8445].text |
裡頭有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8446].start |
20145.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8446].end |
20147.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8446].text |
導入AI輔助的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8447].start |
20147.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8447].end |
20149.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8447].text |
科技來提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[8448].start |
20149.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8448].end |
20151.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8448].text |
長照的服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[8449].start |
20151.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8449].end |
20153.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8449].text |
那針對社工這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8450].start |
20153.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8450].end |
20155.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8450].text |
社工主要是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8451].start |
20155.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8451].end |
20157.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8451].text |
派案的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[8452].start |
20157.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8452].end |
20159.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8452].text |
社工師也有在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8453].start |
20159.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8453].end |
20161.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8453].text |
在導入這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8454].start |
20161.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8454].end |
20163.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8454].text |
應該是保護服務師吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[8455].start |
20163.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8455].end |
20165.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[8455].text |
好用嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8456].start |
20165.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8456].end |
20167.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8456].text |
跟你提醒一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8457].start |
20167.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8457].end |
20169.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8457].text |
不好用嘛你跟人家說不好用 |
| transcript.whisperx[8458].start |
20169.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8458].end |
20171.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8458].text |
啊不好用還在用 |
| transcript.whisperx[8459].start |
20171.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8459].end |
20173.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8459].text |
AI是AI啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8460].start |
20173.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8460].end |
20175.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8460].text |
你們AI是別AI啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8461].start |
20175.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8461].end |
20177.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[8461].text |
阿拉伯阿羅伯企劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[8462].start |
20177.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8462].end |
20179.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8462].text |
連一個清單 |
| transcript.whisperx[8463].start |
20179.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8463].end |
20181.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8463].text |
AI系統輔助社工完全免費喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[8464].start |
20181.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8464].end |
20183.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8464].text |
然後兼顧隱私資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[8465].start |
20183.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8465].end |
20185.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8465].text |
現場還兼顧隱私喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[8466].start |
20185.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8466].end |
20187.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8466].text |
然後去年8月上線以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8467].start |
20187.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8467].end |
20189.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8467].text |
累計已經超過3萬6千 |
| transcript.whisperx[8468].start |
20189.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8468].end |
20191.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8468].text |
產生超過8千筆的社工記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[8469].start |
20191.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8469].end |
20193.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8469].text |
每天穩定的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[8470].start |
20193.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8470].end |
20195.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8470].text |
近百筆的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[8471].start |
20195.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8471].end |
20197.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8471].text |
那這個專家他不只如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[8472].start |
20197.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8472].end |
20199.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8472].text |
也在整個這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8473].start |
20201.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8473].end |
20203.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8473].text |
整個這個這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8474].start |
20203.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8474].end |
20205.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8474].text |
訪視的錄音轉主制稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[8475].start |
20205.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8475].end |
20207.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8475].text |
等五項的這個AI的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8476].start |
20207.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8476].end |
20209.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8476].text |
輔助的這個功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[8477].start |
20209.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8477].end |
20211.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8477].text |
然後等於是民間自發的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8478].start |
20211.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8478].end |
20213.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8478].text |
來協助社工減輕壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[8479].start |
20213.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8479].end |
20215.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8479].text |
我不曉得我們衛生部主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[8480].start |
20216.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[8480].end |
20218.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[8480].text |
有這套系統嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8481].start |
20217.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8481].end |
20219.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8481].text |
如果民間系統可以做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8482].start |
20219.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8482].end |
20221.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8482].text |
讓大家覺得可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[8483].start |
20221.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8483].end |
20223.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8483].text |
這個這個這個隨心的應手 |
| transcript.whisperx[8484].start |
20223.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8484].end |
20225.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8484].text |
然後然後公布我們為什麼沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8485].start |
20225.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8485].end |
20227.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8485].text |
更好的這樣的一個系統來協助他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[8486].start |
20227.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8486].end |
20229.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8486].text |
你看那個每天的爆量 |
| transcript.whisperx[8487].start |
20229.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8487].end |
20231.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8487].text |
案件寫不完的記錄跟報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[8488].start |
20231.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8488].end |
20233.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[8488].text |
有時候會把社工的熱情整個消磨殆盡 |
| transcript.whisperx[8489].start |
20235.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8489].end |
20235.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8489].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8490].start |
20235.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[8490].end |
20237.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8490].text |
那最後每一個個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[8491].start |
20237.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8491].end |
20239.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[8491].text |
都成為流於刑事上的這個書論文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[8492].start |
20240.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8492].end |
20242.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[8492].text |
每個個案都出現社工造假的記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[8493].start |
20243.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8493].end |
20245.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8493].text |
然後文法被譴責 |
| transcript.whisperx[8494].start |
20245.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8494].end |
20247.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8494].text |
你給他瞭解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8495].start |
20247.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8495].end |
20248.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8495].text |
能不能用 |
| transcript.whisperx[8496].start |
20248.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8496].end |
20251.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8496].text |
而且這個系統是完全純協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[8497].start |
20251.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8497].end |
20253.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8497].text |
他不記錄個案資訊不進行數據分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[8498].start |
20255.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8498].end |
20259.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8498].text |
照理講官方應該是有更好的一個便利好用的AI系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[8499].start |
20259.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8499].end |
20261.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8499].text |
來協助社工好好去輔導這樣的一個個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[8500].start |
20263.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[8500].end |
20264.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8500].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8501].start |
20264.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8501].end |
20266.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8501].text |
是不是讓我們施長補充一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8502].start |
20266.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8502].end |
20268.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8502].text |
好像他們對這個系統有進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[8503].start |
20268.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8503].end |
20270.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8503].text |
有進行瞭解 |
| transcript.whisperx[8504].start |
20270.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8504].end |
20272.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8504].text |
那跟委員報告也謝謝委員的關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[8505].start |
20272.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8505].end |
20274.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8505].text |
首先本部在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8506].start |
20274.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8506].end |
20276.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8506].text |
兩三年前我們就已經委託了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8507].start |
20276.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8507].end |
20278.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8507].text |
國網中心進行社工 |
| transcript.whisperx[8508].start |
20278.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8508].end |
20280.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8508].text |
智慧決策平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[8509].start |
20280.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8509].end |
20282.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8509].text |
的這個開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[8510].start |
20282.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8510].end |
20284.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8510].text |
那其中就有包括協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[8511].start |
20284.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8511].end |
20286.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8511].text |
語音轉文字來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[8512].start |
20286.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8512].end |
20288.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8512].text |
社工做進入還有行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[8513].start |
20288.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8513].end |
20290.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8513].text |
加細圖這樣的一個功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[8514].start |
20290.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8514].end |
20292.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8514].text |
那至於我們也從平台上 |
| transcript.whisperx[8515].start |
20292.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8515].end |
20294.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8515].text |
就是其他的一個平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[8516].start |
20294.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8516].end |
20296.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8516].text |
有看到清大的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[8517].start |
20296.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8517].end |
20298.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8517].text |
有開發這個平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[8518].start |
20298.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8518].end |
20300.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8518].text |
那我們也跟我們的研究團隊有做了一些討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[8519].start |
20300.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8519].end |
20302.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8519].text |
那初步我們會覺得他可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[8520].start |
20302.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8520].end |
20304.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8520].text |
在一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[8521].start |
20304.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8521].end |
20306.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8521].text |
資安的一些狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[8522].start |
20306.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8522].end |
20308.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8522].text |
情形下可能還有一些疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[8523].start |
20308.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8523].end |
20310.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8523].text |
那我們會再進一步來做一些討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[8524].start |
20310.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8524].end |
20312.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8524].text |
你現在針對清大這個系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[8525].start |
20312.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8525].end |
20314.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8525].text |
你覺得他有資安上的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[8526].start |
20314.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8526].end |
20316.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8526].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8527].start |
20317.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8527].end |
20319.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8527].text |
到去年就開始了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8528].start |
20319.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8528].end |
20321.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8528].text |
你的疑慮也有點久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8529].start |
20321.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8529].end |
20323.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8529].text |
我們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8530].start |
20323.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8530].end |
20325.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8530].text |
最近才發掘到這系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[8531].start |
20325.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8531].end |
20327.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8531].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8532].start |
20327.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8532].end |
20329.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8532].text |
你要質疑他有資安疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[8533].start |
20329.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8533].end |
20331.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8533].text |
他開始動的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8534].start |
20331.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8534].end |
20333.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8534].text |
你就開始要查了啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8535].start |
20333.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8535].end |
20335.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8535].text |
怎麼可能去年報案到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8536].start |
20335.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8536].end |
20337.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8536].text |
我現在擔心了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8537].start |
20336.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[8537].end |
20338.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[8537].text |
你現在跟人家講說你這個資安有疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[8538].start |
20338.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[8538].end |
20340.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[8538].text |
人家覺得很好用 |
| transcript.whisperx[8539].start |
20340.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[8539].end |
20342.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[8539].text |
你說他資安有疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[8540].start |
20342.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[8540].end |
20344.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[8540].text |
那你現在沒辦法確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[8541].start |
20344.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[8541].end |
20346.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[8541].text |
到底是疑慮還是確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[8542].start |
20345.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8542].end |
20347.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[8542].text |
有資安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8543].start |
20346.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8543].end |
20350.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8543].text |
因為這個AI的運用主管機關是我們數位部 |
| transcript.whisperx[8544].start |
20350.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8544].end |
20352.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8544].text |
他有相關的一個規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[8545].start |
20352.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8545].end |
20354.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8545].text |
你怎麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[8546].start |
20354.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8546].end |
20356.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8546].text |
你怎麼回答人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[8547].start |
20356.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8547].end |
20358.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[8547].text |
有的人說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8548].start |
20359.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8548].end |
20361.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8548].text |
大家食肆食肆 |
| transcript.whisperx[8549].start |
20361.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8549].end |
20363.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[8549].text |
不要再流淚 |
| transcript.whisperx[8550].start |
20364.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[8550].end |
20366.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[8550].text |
其實根本就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8551].start |
20370.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8551].end |
20372.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8551].text |
我剛才要拿這個部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8552].start |
20372.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8552].end |
20374.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8552].text |
我想像社工跟醫療一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8553].start |
20374.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8553].end |
20376.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8553].text |
那是很重要的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[8554].start |
20376.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8554].end |
20378.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8554].text |
你做醫生拿手術就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8555].start |
20378.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8555].end |
20380.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8555].text |
那手術好用不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[8556].start |
20380.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8556].end |
20382.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8556].text |
是那個醫生說有尊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8557].start |
20382.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8557].end |
20384.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8557].text |
這個社工說請台這個OK |
| transcript.whisperx[8558].start |
20384.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8558].end |
20386.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8558].text |
你現在說資安疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[8559].start |
20386.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8559].end |
20388.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8559].text |
南北市開始說你現在說資安疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[8560].start |
20388.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8560].end |
20390.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8560].text |
到底有疑慮沒疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[8561].start |
20390.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8561].end |
20392.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8561].text |
市長你現在怎麼可以這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8562].start |
20390.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8562].end |
20392.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8562].text |
講這種話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8563].start |
20391.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8563].end |
20393.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8563].text |
然後你講的那個系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[8564].start |
20393.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8564].end |
20395.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8564].text |
叫做社會工作人員智慧決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[8565].start |
20395.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8565].end |
20397.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8565].text |
行動平台對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8566].start |
20397.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8566].end |
20399.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8566].text |
2024開始啟用給社工使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[8567].start |
20399.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8567].end |
20401.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8567].text |
這個系統我們總覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[8568].start |
20401.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8568].end |
20403.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8568].text |
好像是超前部署了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8569].start |
20403.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8569].end |
20405.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8569].text |
創新了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8570].start |
20405.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8570].end |
20407.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8570].text |
但我接受到第一線的社工反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[8571].start |
20407.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[8571].end |
20409.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[8571].text |
一點都不耗油 |
| transcript.whisperx[8572].start |
20409.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[8572].end |
20411.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[8572].text |
圖生工作量 |
| transcript.whisperx[8573].start |
20410.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[8573].end |
20412.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[8573].text |
然後他們拿來跟情報的這套系統對比 |
| transcript.whisperx[8574].start |
20414.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8574].end |
20416.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8574].text |
社工認為喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[8575].start |
20416.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8575].end |
20418.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8575].text |
社工認為青刀用的是第一線的角度在看事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[8576].start |
20420.66 |
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衛福部的APP是用管理社工的思維 |
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再增加他們的負擔 |
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沒有人會說跳進來 |
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這個我們再進一步 |
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去了解 |
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看看有什麼地方 |
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既然大家都覺得好用 |
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那當然我們看看能不能 |
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把它導入 |
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因為我們過分應該 |
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用個要比青刀 |
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用出來又更好用才對 |
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我們還需要的 |
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還是有一些管理的功能 |
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還是需要因為從主管機關的角度 |
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他還是需要有一些管理的功能 |
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看看這兩個 |
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因為我沒有用過這個系統 |
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我們再來瞭解一下 |
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你一定沒有用過你也不可能會用 |
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那市長應該會很清楚 |
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所以他剛剛市長這樣答覆我 |
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我會覺得這個已經不是有什麼資安疑慮 |
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所以我們內部 |
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我們內部有疑慮吧 |
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兩個禮拜好不好 |
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好 |
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20482.98 |
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請資訊處也協助評估一下 |
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這個系統 |
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人好我們變得比較好 |
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很不錯 |
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可以啦 |
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差不多啦 |
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沒有人比你白話用到現在 |
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你兩千塊錢不用的東西 |
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就沒人好用了 |
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自己管理 |
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我還是覺得在此前面的問題 |
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我個人感覺 |
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那我想市長的經驗 |
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還有市長的經驗 |
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這個事情 |
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這事情會引起宣傳到波 |
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我還是請兩位 |
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展智慧啦 |
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我覺得是此前面的問題 |
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有確切去執行 |
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有時候當然是必須要有 |
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20533.05 |
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要有法律的一個依據跟規範 |
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但是有時候法律訂出來 |
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你執行面 |
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還是有那種心態的情況之下 |
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也不盡然可以達到 |
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大家想要追求的到那個理想 |
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反而在 |
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當你有行政權的時候 |
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執行面很多事情是 |
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不曉得你這邊跟市長這邊 |
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你們可以 |
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20557.47 |
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可以 |
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20558.79 |
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可以去很有智慧去做處理 |
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我個人感覺是這樣 |
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我給你們做一個建議好不好 |
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20567.59 |
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謝謝主席 |
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20573.3 |
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賴世保賴世保賴世保委員不在 |
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20577.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[8641].text |
本日會議詢答全部結束 |
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委員楊耀、徐欣瑩 |
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20581.59 |
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所提順便質詢 |
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20583.59 |
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記錄刊登公報 |
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現在做以下決議 |
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說明及詢答完畢 |
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委員質詢未及答覆 |
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20591.59 |
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或請補充資料者請相關進攻 |
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與兩週內以順便答覆 |
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委員要求其限者長期鎖定 |
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中華民國115年 |
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20599.59 |
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對中央總運算 |
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政府總運算案 |
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關於衛生福利部主管 |
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公務及基金運算及直轄市及縣市政府一般補助 |
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不作款 |
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衛生福利部主管不分預算案令 |
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則其 |
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繼續審查 |
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本日會議到此結束,現在散會 |
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今天下午2點30分召開 |
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空氣污染防治法公聽會 |
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好休息一下吧 |
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九分八分召開 |
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你是一般人嗎 |
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沒有沒有 |
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我們都是一般人 |
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