| IVOD_ID |
17390 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17390 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T08:36:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T12:55:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:18:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：中央研究院、國家科學及技術委員會、數位發展部就「AI主權時代：學門建構與應用、研究應用倫理及數位透明度之配套措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【4月29日及30日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:36:36 - 12:55:00 |
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1490.56 |
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1492.12 |
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1492.66 |
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1494.06 |
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已阻法病人數 |
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1494.46 |
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1495.58 |
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現在開會 |
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1496.53 |
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1497.41 |
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本次會議 |
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1498.15 |
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1499.87 |
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週三週四一次會 |
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1500.8 |
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1501.44 |
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1501.94 |
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1503.18 |
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1504.01 |
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1505.93 |
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請醫事人員宣讀上次 |
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1506.25 |
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1507.37 |
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1508.61 |
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1510.33 |
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立法院第11屆第5會期 |
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1510.33 |
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1512.53 |
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1512.53 |
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1514.25 |
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1514.25 |
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1516.69 |
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時間中華民國115年4月22日 |
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1516.69 |
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1518.85 |
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1518.85 |
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1519.53 |
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地點9 |
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1522.7 |
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本院勤儉樓101會議室 |
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1522.7 |
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1525.42 |
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1525.42 |
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1527.82 |
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1527.82 |
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1530.38 |
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1530.38 |
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1532.42 |
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1532.42 |
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1534.7 |
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1534.7 |
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1535.5 |
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1535.5 |
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1536.1 |
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一 |
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1536.1 |
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1538.14 |
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1538.14 |
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1539.3 |
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醫事錄確定 |
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1539.3 |
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1539.82 |
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1539.82 |
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1542.14 |
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核能安全委員會主任委員陳明貞 |
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1542.14 |
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1544.94 |
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列席就五國海域放射性物質監測 |
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1544.94 |
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1547.14 |
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執行現況及未來因應作為 |
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1547.14 |
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1548.5 |
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1548.5 |
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1549.66 |
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1549.66 |
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1550.26 |
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決定 |
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1550.3 |
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1551.7 |
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1551.7 |
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1552.82 |
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1552.82 |
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1555.7 |
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1555.7 |
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1559.1 |
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擬具原子能法不分條文修正草案案等3案 |
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1559.1 |
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1560.42 |
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1561.04 |
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1564.64 |
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1564.64 |
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1567.52 |
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軍軍核能安全委員會主任委員陳明貞 |
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1567.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
1571.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
和行政院人事行政總處主編人力處專門委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
1571.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1575.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
廖政文及相關人員及其答復說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
1575.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1575.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
1575.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1576.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
一 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
1576.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1577.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
報告及巡達完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1577.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1577.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
二 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1577.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1580.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
委員所提書面質詢或相關資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1580.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1582.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
列入記錄並刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1582.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1582.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
三 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
1582.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1585.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
對於委員質詢要求提供相關資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1585.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1587.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
或未及答復部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1587.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1589.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
請相關機關進述與書面答復 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1589.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1590.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
四 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1590.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1592.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
原子能法相關修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1592.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1594.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
另定期繼續審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1594.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1595.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1599.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1601.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
目前在場不足三人 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1603.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1605.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
我們的意識錄稍後再行確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1607.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1609.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
本日會議議程式 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1609.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1611.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
邀請中央研究院 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1612.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1614.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
國家科學及技術委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1614.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1616.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
數位發展部 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
1616.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1618.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
就AI主權時代 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1618.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1620.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
學門建構與應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1620.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1622.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
研究應用倫理 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1622.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1625.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
及數位透明度支配套措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1625.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1627.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
進行專題報告 |
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1627.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1629.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
並備質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1629.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1630.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
首先 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1630.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1633.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
我們來介紹與會的官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1634.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1638.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
今天邀請的有三個機關 |
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1638.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1640.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
首先我們來介紹機關的代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
1640.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1642.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
中央研究院 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1642.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1644.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
副院長彭信崑副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
1648.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
1650.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
中央研究院秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
1650.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1651.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
陳君厚 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
1651.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1652.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
陳秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
1655.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1658.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
第二個機關代表要介紹的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
1658.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
1660.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
國科會副主任委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
1660.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
1663.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
陳秉瑜陳副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
1665.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
1668.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
主任秘書林廣宏林主秘 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
1670.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
1673.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
第三個要介紹的機關代表 |
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1673.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
1677.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
數發部政務次長侯宜秀侯次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
1683.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
1685.4 |
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其餘列席的機關代表 |
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1685.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
1687.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
請參閱名單不在逐一介紹 |
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1687.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
1689.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
列入公報記錄 |
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1690.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
1692.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
現在我們進行報告 |
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1692.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
1695.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
那因為今天有三個機關要報告 |
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1695.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
1696.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
所以呢 |
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1696.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
1699.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
每一位機關代表報告的時間是五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
1699.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
1704.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
首先邀請中央研究院彭信崑副院長報告 |
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1704.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
1705.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
時間五分鐘請 |
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1715.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
1717.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
各位委員 |
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1717.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
1718.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
各位同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
1718.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
1720.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
大家早 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
1720.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
1723.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
陳邀委員會來報告 |
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1723.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
1725.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
今天就AI主權時代 |
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1725.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
1731.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
學門建構與應用及研究倫理數位透明化之配套措施 |
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1731.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
1733.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
向大院來報告 |
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1733.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
1737.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
那AI發展的非常的快 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
1737.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
1737.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
那 |
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1740.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
1743.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
麻煩控制一下這個 |
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1748.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
1750.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
醫事人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
1751.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
1751.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
謝謝 |
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1755.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
1756.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
那個 |
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1756.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
1760.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
我今天報告的架構分成學門建構 |
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1760.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
1761.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
及應用及主權AI |
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1761.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
1764.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
AI應用與學術研究及倫理議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
1764.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
1769.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
還有數位透明度是配套措施三項來做報告 |
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1769.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
1771.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
首先 |
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1771.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
1774.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
我們在兩年前就已經成立了AI辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
1774.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
1776.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
匯集了國內 |
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1776.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
1780.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
匯集了院內所有的相關的學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
1780.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
1783.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
成立了AI辦公室 |
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1783.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
1787.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
推動資源行政智慧 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
1787.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
1791.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
以及推動AI的職能培育教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
1791.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
1796.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
然後成立了AI的風險研究小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
1796.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
1798.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
特別我們在研發AI |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
1798.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
1802.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
在人文科學研究方面的創新應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
1802.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
1804.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
那我們今年編列了1.2億 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
1804.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
1806.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
提升了算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
1806.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
1808.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
經濟設備 |
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1808.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
1809.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
建置資料庫 |
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1809.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
1814.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
然後培育我們的AI的相關人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
1814.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
1815.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
然後做訓練 |
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1815.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
1818.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
那AI主要有四大要素 |
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1818.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
1820.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
基礎設施我們主要是要發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
1820.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
1825.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
適合台灣應用的小二美的一個模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
1825.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
1826.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
在資料方面 |
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1826.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
1827.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
我們必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
1827.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
1831.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
應用我們目前眾院現有的資料庫來做訓練 |
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1831.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
1834.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
然後保護我們本身的資料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
1834.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
1838.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
另外我們要培育跨領域的人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
1839.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
1840.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
在這一方面 |
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1843.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
1844.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
在這一方面 |
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1844.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
1845.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
特別我要提到的是 |
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1845.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
1847.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
我們在做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
1847.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
1849.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
資訊所的廖所長 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
1849.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
1851.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
研發出來的 |
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1851.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
1854.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
多模態的視覺模型 |
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1854.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
1856.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
它的EURO7、EURO9 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
1856.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
1859.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
它應用在很廣的很多的場域 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
1859.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
1861.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
這些場域的基本的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
1861.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
1864.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
可以擴展到不同的議題及應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
1864.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
1864.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
1866.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
1868.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
從動物的模型到老鼠的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
1868.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
1871.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
它最近應用在 |
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1871.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
1873.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
阿茲海陌生的一個行為模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
1874.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
1875.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
好 下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
1877.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
1878.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
其次我要談到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
1878.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
1880.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
我們要報告的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
1880.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
1882.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
AI應用協助研究倫理的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
1882.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
1884.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
這個分成兩個面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
1884.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
1885.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
1886.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
1889.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
首先是研究倫理的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
1889.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
1892.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
我們必須要保護研究對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
1892.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
1895.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
尤其現在AI可以替代這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
1895.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
1897.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
線上訪談問卷 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
1897.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
1900.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
但是我們必須要考慮到 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
1900.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
1903.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
可能會有些族群會受到影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
1903.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
1905.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
所以我們必須要依據人體研究法 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
1905.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
1908.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
個人資料保護法 IRB等 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
1908.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
1909.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
進行規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
1909.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
1911.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
至於協助倫理方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
1911.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
1914.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
我們必須本以協助誠信的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
1914.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
1918.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
誠實揭露哪些部分是AI的生成 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
1918.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
1920.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
哪些是AI來改寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
1920.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
1921.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
1922.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
1925.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
所以AI我們訂定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
1925.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
1927.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
半年前我們中間訂定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
1927.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
1929.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
AI的三大指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
1929.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
1932.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
首先我們必須要確保 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
1932.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
1935.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
這個AI生成的資料的正確性 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
1935.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
1937.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
AI產生出來的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
1937.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
1939.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
不是完全都正確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
1939.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
1942.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
那研究人員必須要保證 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
1942.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
1943.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
這個資料是 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
1943.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
1944.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
結果是正確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
1944.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
1946.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
第二個我們必須要維護 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
1946.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
1949.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
個人的隱私跟安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
1949.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
1951.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
有些資料不能公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
1951.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
1952.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
機密性的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
1952.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
1956.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
這部分不能提供給AI來做生成訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
1957.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
1958.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
1959.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
1961.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
我們也必須要考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
1961.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
1962.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
可折折性 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
1963.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
1967.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
必須要本以學術誠信的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
1967.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
1969.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
對你所有的文章 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
1969.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
1971.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
不管有沒有用AI改寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
1971.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
1973.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
必須要負最後完全的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
1973.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
1975.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
1975.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
1976.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
所以我們並不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
1976.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
1978.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
全部也都全部可以使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
1978.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
1980.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
有些部分我們不能禁 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
1980.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
1982.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
我們還是能夠禁止使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
1982.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
1985.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
比如說是審查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
1985.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
1986.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
人事的相關資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
1986.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
1988.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
這部分暫時不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
1988.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
1989.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
那其他部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
1989.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
1991.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
我們就鼓勵研究人員使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
1991.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
1996.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
但必須要本以誠實揭露的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
1996.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
1997.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
對AI產生的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
1997.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
2000.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
必須要公開的揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
2000.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
2001.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
2002.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
2007.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
在數位透明度的配套措施之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
2007.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
2008.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
方面我們要考慮到 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
2008.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
2009.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
著作權的保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
2009.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
2013.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
以及語音資料庫的正確性 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
2013.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
2017.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
以及本土資料的精確性 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
2017.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
2020.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
避免我們的資料庫被別人來使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
2020.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
2023.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
被別人來詮釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
2023.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
2024.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
最後一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
2024.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
2026.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
我講我們AI組織核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
2026.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
2028.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
在於能夠技術自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
2028.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
2031.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
而且能夠兼顧安全與法治 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
2031.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
2034.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
能夠維護我們文化的主體性 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
2034.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
2035.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
以上精簡報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
2035.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
2038.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
詳細請參閱我們的數位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
2038.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
2039.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
2039.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
2040.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
請進行指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
2041.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
2044.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
謝謝中央研究院的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
2044.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
2047.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
接下來有請國家科學及技術委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
2047.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
2049.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
陳秉宇副主委報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
2049.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
2050.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
時間五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
2050.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
2050.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
2062.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
2064.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
主席 各位委員 先進大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
2064.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
2068.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
感謝各位委員對於國家科技發展的重視與支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
2068.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
2071.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
安排本會進行AI主權時代 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
2071.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
2072.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
學文建構與應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
2072.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
2074.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
研究應用倫理 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
2074.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
2077.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
以及數位透明度的配套措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
2077.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
2079.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
進行專題報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
2079.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
2081.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
因應AI的快速演進 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
2081.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
2084.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
本會積極整合算力基礎建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
2084.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
2086.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
推動法治 治理 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
2086.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
2088.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
並促進科研領域的AI應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
2088.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
2091.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
以下緊究本會目前的推動重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
2091.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
2092.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
與措施進行報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
2092.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
2094.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
敬請各位委員會議指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
2094.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
2097.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
大院先讀通過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
2098.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
2099.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
人工智慧基本法 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
2099.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
2101.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
已經於今年的1月14日 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
2101.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
2103.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
經總統公告施行 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
2103.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
2105.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
本會作為法規主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
2105.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
2108.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
正積極協調各部會盤點法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
2108.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
2111.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
並與輸發部等機關合作推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
2111.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
2113.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
風險分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
2113.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
2115.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
以及資料治理的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
2115.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
2117.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
在AI算力方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
2117.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
2120.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
本會正分年積極擴充算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
2120.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
2122.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
113年電池的0.8MW |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
2122.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
2124.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
大約是16FF |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
2124.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
2126.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
主機已經在去年6月開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
2126.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
2128.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
目前使用率超過八成 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
2128.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
2132.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
緊接著建置的4.3MW |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
2132.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
2134.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
大概是100FF的主機 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
2134.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
2136.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
預計在今年的年中 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
2136.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
2138.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
會正式多來開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
2139.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
2141.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
目標是在118年 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
2141.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
2145.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
將算力規模提升至23MW |
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2145.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
2147.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
同時為提供安全 |
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2147.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
2149.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
跟高效便利的算力服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
2149.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
2150.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
我們並建置了 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
2150.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
2153.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
AI雲端開發平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
2153.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
2154.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
Taiwan AI Web |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
2154.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
2156.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
目前已經有超過100個單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
2156.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
2157.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
來參加使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
2157.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
2160.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
在科研發展及應用方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
2160.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
2161.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
本會鼓勵科研人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
2161.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
2163.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
運用我們搭建的算力平台 |
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2163.7 |
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2166.94 |
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並將AI技術融入各項科研領域 |
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2166.94 |
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2168.5 |
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在工程領域方面 |
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2168.62 |
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2170.7 |
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引領學界投入下世代 |
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2170.7 |
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2172.1 |
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新興晶片設計 |
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2172.1 |
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2173.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
以及研發高運算力 |
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2173.86 |
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2176.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
高節能的晶片系統創新架構 |
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2176.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
2177.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
在自然科學領域 |
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2177.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
2179.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
學研團隊已將AI應用於 |
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2179.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
2180.7 |
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新材料開發 |
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2180.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
2181.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
演算法優化 |
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2181.7 |
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2184.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
以及災害監測等面向 |
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2184.18 |
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2185.98 |
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在生命科學領域 |
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2185.98 |
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2187.58 |
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本會結合國網中心資源 |
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2188.4 |
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2192.16 |
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推動專屬的生衣運端服務平台 |
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2192.16 |
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2194.96 |
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後製AI在生衣農業領域的 |
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2194.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
2196.56 |
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競爭力與研究效能 |
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2196.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
2197.76 |
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在人文社會領域 |
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2197.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
2199.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
本會以專案計畫協助學者 |
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2199.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
2201.72 |
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掌握多模材大型圓模型 |
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2201.72 |
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2202.8 |
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等關鍵技術 |
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2202.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
2206 |
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讓AI成為數位人文法律判決預測 |
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2206.74 |
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2209.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
經濟風險控管等研究的強大助力 |
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2209.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
2211.46 |
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隨著AI工具的普及 |
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2211.46 |
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2214.1 |
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學術、智慧是本會高度重視的環節 |
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2214.1 |
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2215.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
本會要求研究人員 |
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2215.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
2218.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
在使用非自行記錄的資料時 |
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2218.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
2219.86 |
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應做一出處 |
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2219.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
2222.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
秉持誠信負責的態度 |
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2222.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
2223.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
從事研究工作 |
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2223.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
2225.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
在專題研究計畫審查作業 |
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2225.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
2227.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
為保護研究的原創性與機密性 |
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2227.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
2229.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
本會以嚴格要求審查人員 |
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2229.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
2232.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
不得將申請書、內容輸入 |
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2232.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
2234.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
或提供給身分是AI工具 |
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2234.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
2234.9 |
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總結來說 |
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2234.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
2238.1 |
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本會將以完善的順利建設為基礎 |
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2238.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
2242.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
結合資料治理與學術推展 |
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2242.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
2246.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
逐步形塑我國AI發展的整體佈局 |
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2246.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
2248.78 |
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本會將在促進創新應用的同時 |
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2248.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
2250.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
兼顧風險管理 |
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2250.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
2254.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
推動台灣在全球AI主權時代的 |
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2254.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
2255.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
穩健前行 |
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2257.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
2259.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
以上報告,謝謝大紀元的注意 |
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2261.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
2263.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
謝謝國科會的報告 |
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2265.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
2268.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
接下來有請述發部侯怡秀政務次長 |
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2268.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
2270.55 |
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來做報告,時間五分鐘 |
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2275.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
2277.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
主席、各位委員大家好 |
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2277.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
2279.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
今天應邀就AI主權時代 |
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2279.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
2282.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
學門建構與應用研究應用倫理 |
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2282.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
2285.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
及數位透明度支配套措施提出報告 |
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2285.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
2287.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
請就數位發展部推動的重點 |
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2287.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
2289.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
向各位委員說明如下 |
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2289.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
2291.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
還請各位委員不吝賜教 |
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2291.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
2293.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
面對人工智慧快速發展 |
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2293.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
2296.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
與國際對AI主權議題的重視 |
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2296.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
2299.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
本部以完善治理、強化基礎 |
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2299.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
2301.7 |
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促進產業發展為推動主軸 |
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2301.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
2303.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
從制度、資料與人才 |
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2303.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
2305.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
以及產業三、四個面向 |
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2305.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
2307.62 |
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持續建構我國AI發展環境 |
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2308.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
2311.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
我國第一,完善AI治理機制 |
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2311.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
2312.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
我國人工智慧基本法 |
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2312.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
2316.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
已在115年1月14日由總統公佈生效 |
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2316.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
2319.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
確立AI治理法制的基礎 |
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2319.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
2323.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
本部負責推動的人工智慧風險分類框架 |
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2323.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
2325.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
目的在協助各目的事業主管機關 |
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2325.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
2328.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
以其業管特性與實際需求 |
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2328.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
2330.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
辨識AI應用之風險 |
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2330.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
2334.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
具以評估既有行政措施及管理規範 |
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2334.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
2337.67 |
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是否足以避免或緩解風險 |
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2337.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
2341.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
相關草案已呈報行政院審議中 |
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2341.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
2343.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
第二,強化資料與人才基礎 |
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2343.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
2345.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
在資料面方面 |
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2345.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
2347.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
為了促進資料流通與AI應用 |
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2347.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
2351.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
本部提出促進資料創新利用發展條例草案 |
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2351.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
2355.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
推動資料開放與公司資料共享機制 |
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2355.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
2358.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
並將導入標準授權條款 |
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2358.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
2360.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
降低資料使用門檻 |
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2360.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
2363.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
同時,本部也在去年開始建置 |
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2363.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
2365.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
臺灣主權訓練與料庫 |
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2365.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
2367.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
並與經濟部動同推出 |
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2367.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
2371.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
臺灣主權AI訓練與料授權條款 |
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2371.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
2373.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
建立明確的授權機制 |
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2373.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
2375.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
整合正體中文語料 |
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2375.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
2376.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
截至目前為止 |
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2376.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
2380.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
已經有超過200個政府機關參與 |
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2380.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
2383.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
目前累積的資料量超過12億個Token |
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2383.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
2385.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
那在人才方面呢 |
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2385.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
2386.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
在公務人才方面 |
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2386.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
2389.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
本部與人事總處共同成立 |
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2389.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
2391.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
AI公務人才發展辦公室 |
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2391.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
2395.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
推動人才標準與訓練制度 |
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2395.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
2399.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
並推動訂定AI公務人才認定職業 |
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2399.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
2400.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
以協助各機關 |
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2400.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
2403.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
建立分級培訓及選才機制 |
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2403.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
2405.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
強化政府整體AI應用能力 |
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2406.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
2410.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
預計在115年年底會正式發布 |
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2410.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
2412.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
那在產業人才的部分呢 |
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2412.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
2416.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
我們也發布了AI產業人才認定指引 |
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2416.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
2418.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
建立共通的職能標準 |
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2418.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
2421.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
提出應用開發研究三種AI人才 |
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2421.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
2423.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
與五種AI能力類型 |
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2423.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
2426.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
協助企業辨識及引導 |
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2426.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
2428.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
所需AI人才能力的養成 |
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2428.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
2432.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
並以納入公務人員AI培訓參考 |
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2432.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
2434.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
目前在這個人才的指引底下 |
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2434.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
2437.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
已經集結了24個生態系夥伴 |
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2437.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
2440.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
包括21家培訓認證機構 |
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2440.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
2442.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
三家人才門合平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
2442.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
2445.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
後續也將持續擴大生態系夥伴 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
2445.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
2448.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
會整相關認證及課程資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
2448.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
2449.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
供各界參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
2449.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
2453.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
那最後在這個促進AI產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
2453.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
2455.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
與生態發展部分呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
2455.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
2457.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
出發部是以五大政策工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
2457.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
2460.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
包括算力資料人才行銷 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
2460.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
2463.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
以及資金這五大政策工具來進行推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
2463.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
2464.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
在算力方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
2464.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
2468.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
本部建置AI算力池工業者申請使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
2468.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
2472.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
協助新創進行模型訓練與技術開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
2473.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
2477.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
在2015年3月將AI算力設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
2477.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
2481.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
列入湊餐重大工程建設範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
2481.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
2483.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
並在4月啟動手中 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
2483.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
2487.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
這個指標型數位建設湊餐案的政策公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
2487.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
2490.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
引進民間資金與創新技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
2490.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
2493.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
希望能共創政府與民間雙贏 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
2493.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
2495.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
那在行銷的部分呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
2495.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
2498.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
為了促進AI礦業產業應用與合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
2498.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
2501.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
出發部透過辦理AI Demo Day |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
2501.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
2504.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
促進產官學研對接 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
2504.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
2508.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
2013年到2014年已經吸引370家企業參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
2508.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
2510.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
累計的簽約金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
2510.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
2517.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
達到15年將以場域導向產業聚焦 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
2517.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
2518.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
區域串聯為策略 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
2518.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
2521.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
規劃辦理12場AI Demo Day |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
2521.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
2525.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
推動AI技術於多元場域導入驗證與應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
2525.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
2527.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
那在資金方面呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
2527.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
2530.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
我們也推動加強投資AI新創實施方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
2530.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
2535.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
由國發基金匡列100億為期10年的這個受理投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
2535.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
2540.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
強化AI新創與數位經濟產業的發展動能 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
2540.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
2543.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
出發部將持續關注於AI主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
2543.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
2544.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
國際趨勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
2544.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
2546.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
經濟擴展餘料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
2547.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
2549.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
供AI訓練應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
2549.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
2551.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
以支持推動我國主權AI的運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
2551.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
2553.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
已經公告的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
2553.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
2557.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
徵求民間自行規劃參與AI算力中心POO案 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
2557.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
2561.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
不僅是我國手中指標型的數位建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
2561.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
2562.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
財促參案 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
2562.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
2564.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
更是象徵政府與民間攜手建構 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
2564.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
2568.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
完善國家算力基礎設施的重大政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
2568.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
2568.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
以上報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
2568.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
2569.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
進行指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
2569.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
2570.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
2571.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
2574.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
謝謝書發部侯次長的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
2574.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
2576.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
機關代表報告完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
2576.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
2578.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
相關書面資料請各位參閱 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
2578.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
2580.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
並列入公報紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
2581.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
2584.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
由於議事錄之前已經宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
2584.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
2585.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
尚未確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
2585.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
2587.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
現在先確定議事錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
2587.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
2588.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
請問各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
2588.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
2590.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
上次會議的議事錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
2590.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
2591.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
有無錯誤或遺漏 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
2592.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
2593.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
好議事錄確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
2596.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
2599.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
我們現在開始進行詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
2599.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
2601.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
每位出席委員質詢六分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
2601.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
2603.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
必要時延長兩分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
2603.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
2606.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
列席委員質詢時間是四分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
2606.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
2610.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
發言登記截止時間是上午十點三十分 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
2610.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
2612.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
委員如果有臨時停案 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
2612.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
2615.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
請在十點三十分之前提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
2615.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
2620 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
並與本會委員羅廷瑋召委質詢結束後 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
2620 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
2621.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
即進行處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
2621.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
2622.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
處理提案時 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
2622.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
2626.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
若提案委員及聯署委員均不在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
2626.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
2627.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
原例不予處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
2627.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
2632.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
首先請登記第一位柯志恩委員進行詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
2637.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
2638.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
謝謝召委 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
2638.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
2640.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
那我們想試試我們先請 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
2640.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
2642.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
速發部的侯次長好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
2642.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
2644.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
好有請速發部侯次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
2652.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
2653.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
次長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
2653.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
2657.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
我想我們非常感謝召委今天排定的這個AI主權時代 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
2657.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
2659.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
所衍生的非常多的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
2659.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
2663.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
當然我們給予肯定我們AI基本法已經三讀通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
2663.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
2667.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
但是呢事情到現在我想面對於這個AI的時代 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
2667.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
2669.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
我們還是有很多的細節 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
2669.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
2670.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
我們需要做一個討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
2670.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
2672.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
在沒有進入主題之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
2672.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
2674.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
我是不是可以請問一下侯次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
2674.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
2677.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
這個高德地圖目前來說真是鬧得沸沸揚揚 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
2677.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
2680.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
每個人都說他可能有這個資安的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
2680.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
2683.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
但是呢我們地方政府卻認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
2683.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
2686.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
目前為有並沒有所謂的個資外洩的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
2686.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
2689.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
就你的觀點來去看的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
2689.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
2690.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
中央說有疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
2690.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
2692.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
地方說沒有資安的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
2692.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
2694.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
那到底這個是誰的認知有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
2694.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
2694.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
2698.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
2699.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
2699.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
2702.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
首先就跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
2702.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
2704.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
依照這個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
2704.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
2706.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
我們來處理的這個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
2706.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
2709.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
是依據資通安全法第十一條的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
2709.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
2713.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
就是公務機關不得下載安裝或使用危害國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
2713.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
2714.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
2714.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
2717.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
我的意思說你們有做過這個評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
2717.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
2720.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
我相信因為當時特別提到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
2720.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
2723.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
高雄市交通局認為我們這些個資的資料沒有外洩 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
2723.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
2726.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
而且它純粹是用大數據的方式來 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
2727.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
2728.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
這個政府不進還好 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
2728.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
2731.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
一進它馬上就變成了下載的 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
2731.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
2733.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
上個禮拜還是第一名 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
2733.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
2736.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
現在今天變成這個禮拜變成第二名 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
2736.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
2739.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
所以說很顯然政府所謂的國安疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
2739.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
2745.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
跟所謂人民使用的這個部分裡面是有一些的落差的 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
2745.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
2746.81 |
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那我想我還特別來問 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
2746.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
2749.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
而且不要忘記你們上一次也特別發布的 |
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2749.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
2750.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
去年初發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
2750.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
2756.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
還有國安局認定有高風險的五款中國製造的APP當中 |
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2756.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
2758.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
像抖音幾乎就是排名第四 |
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2758.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
2762.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
微信小紅書在社交內排名大概第十跟第十一 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
2762.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
2766.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
我當然認為說政府替人民把關是天經地義的 |
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2766.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
2769.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
但是你就應該檢視所有的APP |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
2769.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
2770.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
所以到目前為止 |
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2770.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
2773.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
你們認為高德地圖還是有資安的危險嗎 |
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2773.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
2775.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
像委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
2775.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
2779.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
高德地圖因為是這個中國廠商的地圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
2779.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
2782.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
那它會受到中國法律的拘束 |
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2782.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
2782.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
是 |
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2782.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
2784.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
那在中國的法律底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
2784.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
2786.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
就一句我們所了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
2786.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
2788.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
關於它的這個情報法 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
2788.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
2790.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
還有網路安全法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
2790.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
2794.05 |
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中國政府是可以隨時取用這些使用者 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
2794.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
2796.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
我個人認為說還是一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
2796.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
2798.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
你們為了這個資安的安全 |
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2798.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
2799.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
你們可以做任何的事情 |
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2799.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
2802.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
可是我覺得這個在發布這個之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
2802.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
2803.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
應該有更審慎 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
2803.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
2805.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
而且要一致的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
2805.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
2807.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
你如果說這次有資安疑慮的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
2807.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
2808.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
2808.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
2810.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
大家還是要用我剛剛所條列的 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
2811.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
2813.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
不管是抖音或是小紅書等等之類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
2813.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
2815.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
所以我才說民眾的認知有一些的落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
2815.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
2819.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
而且就我們大家感受最深刻的來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
2819.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
2821.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
你如果說是用這個APP來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
2821.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
2823.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
你看這個書發布的 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
2823.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
2826.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
這個網路詐騙通訊的查詢網裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
2826.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
2827.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
一個月詐騙平台分過來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
2827.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
2829.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
那個是個人個資的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
2829.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
2830.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
到底有沒有資安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
2830.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
2832.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
每個人見仁見智 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
2832.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
2833.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
但是這個部分裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
2833.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
2836.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
人民受傷最多的這個有關於詐騙的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
2836.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
2838.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
所謂的APP的問題裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
2838.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
2839.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
32萬子兒當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
2839.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
2842.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
Slate它佔了28.6 |
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2842.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
2844.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
Facebook還佔了24.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
2844.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
2846.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
還有呢Instagram佔了17.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
2846.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
2848.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
這才是人民切身關切的 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
2848.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
2851.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
我們永遠都是在這告訴我們有國安疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
2851.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
2852.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
然後要禁要要禁要禁 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
2852.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
2853.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
我們不惜思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
2853.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
2854.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
為什麼大家用高德地圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
2854.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
2857.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
說實在我用了我也不覺得有那麼好用 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
2857.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
2859.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
很多人看法是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
2859.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
2861.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
但是我個人覺得這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
2861.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
2863.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
有關於APP的標準來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
2863.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
2864.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
應該是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
2864.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
2865.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
像這個詐騙的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
2865.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
2867.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
書發布目前為止訴所無策啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
2867.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
2869.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
所以到底哪個軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
2869.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
2871.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
對於我們人民在使用的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
2871.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
2874.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
最需要是去去應該提高警覺的 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
2874.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
2876.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
所以書發布在這個層面上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
2876.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
2878.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
也應該有更積極的一個作為嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
2878.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
2880.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
是跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
2880.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
2883.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
就APP來說呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
2883.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
2887.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
其實還是必須看它所使用的準確法 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
2887.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
2890.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
那因為這些中國的APP呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
2890.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
2894.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
它有它原廠帝國的這個法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
2894.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
2896.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
跟其他國家不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
2896.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
2897.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
高德這部分次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
2897.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
2899.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
我同意你所有資安疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
2899.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
2901.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
你可以提出你的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
2901.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
2902.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
我下次告訴你就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
2902.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
2905.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
在目前跟人民最相關的當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
2905.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
2907.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
都是使用這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
2907.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
2908.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
那這些的部分裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
2908.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
2911.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
他們其實詐騙的這個比率更高 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
2911.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
2913.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
那在這更高的狀況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
2913.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
2915.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
你會不會做出一些像是 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
2915.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
2918.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
高德一樣的警訊告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
2918.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
2920.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
這些都是大家應該要注意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
2920.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
2921.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
我覺得才是書發布的角色跟責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
2921.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
2923.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
我所要強調的這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
2923.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
2926.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
我並沒有說你們不應該去完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
2926.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
2928.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
就是不顧人民的這個資安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
2928.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
2929.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
你要搞清楚我的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
2929.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
2930.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
2930.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
2933.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
這個部分你應該更強調的去宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
2933.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
2935.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
很多的詐騙是從來自於這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
2935.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
2938.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
這些都需要大家共同來去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
2938.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
2940.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
所以我才說不要有雙標 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
2940.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
2941.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
任何只要跟人民有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
2941.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
2943.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
不管你是資安 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
2943.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
2944.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
或者是跟這個有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
2944.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
2946.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
都要做相同的提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
2946.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
2948.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
不要是顧此失彼 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
2948.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
2949.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
還有很重要是今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
2949.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
2951.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
因為AI的倫理時間的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
2951.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
2954.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
你們特別建置的很重要兩個任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
2954.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
2957.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
就是建置的AI風險分類框架跟指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
2957.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
2958.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
沒錯吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
2958.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
2960.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
那我個人還有另外是有關模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
2960.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
2962.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
這個評測的一個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
2962.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
2964.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
那AI的風車分類框架跟指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
2964.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
2966.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
我認為這是非常重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
2966.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
2967.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
是重中至重 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
2967.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
2969.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
因為你涉及到各部會當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
2969.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
2972.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
到底是如何這個法規是否充足 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
2972.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
2975.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
還有你的風險的管理的規範在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
2975.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
2977.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
以目前來說到選舉的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
2977.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
2978.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
AI出來的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
2978.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
2980.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
簡直讓我們疲於奔命 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
2980.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
2982.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
那我們看到有很多AI生存 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
2982.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
2983.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
很多扭曲的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
2983.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
2986.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
即使AI基本法第五條已經明令規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
2986.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
2988.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
但它基本是一個基本大法 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
2988.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
2990.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
很多的一個細節當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
2990.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
2993.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
我們自己承受很多AI生存之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
2993.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
2995.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
造成資訊扭曲資訊的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
2995.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
2997.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
那我們可以跟訴發部檢舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
2997.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
2999.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
你們最大的做法就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
2999.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
3000.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
好吧那我們就通知Meta |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
3000.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
3001.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
舉例來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
3001.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
3002.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
然後把它下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
3002.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
3005.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
那如果說你這個的這個分類的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
3005.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
3006.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
框架一出來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
3006.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
3008.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
不用你每次都是你們訴發部來做這樣的一個處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
3008.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
3012.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
你可以分門別列給不同的跨單位來去做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
3012.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
3013.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
沒錯吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
3013.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
3014.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
3014.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
3016.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
其實目前就已經是由 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
3016.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
3018.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
訴發部分門 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
3018.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
3020.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
好那你們這個預計審查要多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
3020.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
3021.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
你們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
3021.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
3023.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
我們現在風險分類框架 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
3023.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
3025.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
已經送到行政院了 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
3025.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
3027.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
什麼時候可以下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
3027.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
3029.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
要看行政院那邊處理的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
3029.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
3030.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
需要很快就下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
3030.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
3031.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
因為對我們來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
3031.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
3033.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
我們才知道對等在什麼地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
3033.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
3036.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
包括我們用AI來做這個遠距的這個醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
3036.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
3038.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
那我就可以直接找衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
3038.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
3040.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
什麼地方我要找什麼地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
3040.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
3041.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
所以你必須要把它全部 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
3041.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
3043.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
最快時間把它放出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
3043.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
3044.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
我們才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
3044.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
3044.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
3044.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
3047.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
否則你們訴發部真的會忙死了 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
3047.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
3048.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
同意這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
3048.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
3049.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
你們會忙死嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
3049.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
3051.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
報告我們現在已經跟各個部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
3051.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
3053.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
其實已經在進行前作中 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
3053.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
3055.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
我們其實盡量趕快把這個管理規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
3055.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
3056.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
工作方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
3056.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
3059.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
因為我們目前基本法過去只是個大框架 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
3059.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
3061.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
很多的細節我們所遭遇的問題都來 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
3061.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
3062.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
請回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
3062.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
3063.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
我們現在遭遇的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
3063.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
3064.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
現在目前來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
3064.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
3066.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
我是不是請中研院的這個彭副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
3067.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
3069.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
還有國科會的陳副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
3069.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
3070.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
因為目前很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
3070.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
3072.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
就面對學術倫理的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
3072.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
3073.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
這完全打破 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
3073.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
3074.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
我們以前在教書 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
3074.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
3075.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
各位都教過書 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
3075.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
3077.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
我們以前最重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
3077.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
3078.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
就是第二章 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
3078.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
3079.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
我們的文獻探討 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
3079.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
3080.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
reference |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
3080.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
3080.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
3080.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
3081.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
當老師的指導教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
3081.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
3083.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
不是每天都要去看他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
3083.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
3086.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
你到底跟我們之間的研究有什麼樣的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
3086.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
3087.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
現在這一塊反而是 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
3087.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
3089.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
老師最不曉得該怎麼辦的 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
3089.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
3089.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
3089.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
3091.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
因為學生比我們更了解這個資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
3091.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
3093.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
他把他全部的資料丟進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
3093.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
3096.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
AI把他生成成老師都沒有辦法出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
3096.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
3097.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
那這個部分你覺得有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
3097.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
3101.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
然後以至於在我們最後的這個文獻 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
3101.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
3103.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
文獻最後的那個參考資料部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
3103.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
3105.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
以前我們只要把這個出自哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
3105.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
3106.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
我們把它放出來就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
3106.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
3109.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
現在這麼多的整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
3109.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
3111.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
而且你們還要找到源頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
3111.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
3114.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
但是你要從AI的生成資料當中找到源頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
3114.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
3116.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
你要有一些技術跟方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
3116.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
3117.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
哎這叫我們怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
3118.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
3120.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
兩位學術單位你要怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
3120.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
3121.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
報告各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
3121.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
3123.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
我們這個眾院學術處已經有這個能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
3123.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
3125.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
而且我們有已經做這個動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
3125.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
3127.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
任何一個paper |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
3127.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
3128.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
任何一個計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
3128.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
3130.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
我們都有辦法用AI去偵測 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
3130.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
3131.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
到底是AI生成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
3131.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
3133.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
還是AI改寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
3133.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
3134.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
那改寫的哪一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
3134.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
3136.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
我們都可以mark起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
3136.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
3137.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
這個這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
3137.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
3139.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
我現在不想看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
3139.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
3140.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
我們以前寫的paper |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
3140.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
3141.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
到最後被他做生成之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
3141.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
3144.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
我看到這個看起來很像是我以前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
3144.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
3146.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
可是又好像不是因為整合很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
3146.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
3147.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
都沒有這個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
3147.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
3149.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
然後以前你只要直指幾年級 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
3149.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
3150.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
什麼時候在什麼地方出版 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
3150.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
3153.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
你現在光是那個後面的參考資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
3153.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
3155.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
我看都需要重新的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
3155.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
3157.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
眾院院有這三個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
3157.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
3158.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
但是我覺得目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
3158.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
3161.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
還是這都是在AI基本法之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
3161.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
3163.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
你們就已經先做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
3163.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
3164.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
國科會也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
3164.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
3165.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
當目前基本法完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
3165.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
3168.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
你們有沒有在這個所謂的參考之一上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
3168.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
3171.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
做更細緻的分工跟細緻的一個一個一個分法 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
3171.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
3172.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
3172.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
3176.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
我們還會根據AI的生成是AI的進展 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
3176.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
3179.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
有針對這些內容在做一些調整 |
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3179.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
3180.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
有在做調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
3180.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
3181.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
什麼時候我們可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
3181.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
3181.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
網站什麼時候可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
3181.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
3182.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
我們應該是隨時調整完 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
3182.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
3184.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
都會隨時的公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
3184.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
3185.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
我現在只身為老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
3185.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
3189.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
我真的覺得就會馬上遭遇到這樣一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
3189.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
3190.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
而且最重要是 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
3190.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
3191.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
我也同意你們說 |
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3191.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
3192.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
會來只要用AI |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
3192.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
3194.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
還有一些輔水等等之類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
3194.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
3195.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
可是在學校裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
3195.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
3198.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
不是每個人像你們兩個單位裡面可以做這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
3198.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
3199.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
所以你們這樣的技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
3199.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
3203.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
是有辦法完全下放到所有的學術單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
3203.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
3204.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
任何公司立大學 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
3204.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
3206.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
168間的所有的公司大學 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
3206.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
3208.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
都可以來做這樣的使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
3208.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
3209.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
反正因為造成這些老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
3209.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
3211.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
我們中研院的部分是要購買 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
3211.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
3212.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
要有版權 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
3212.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
3215.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
要中研的IP才可以使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
3215.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
3216.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
那我們學校怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
3216.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
3217.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
我們今天老師看這學生報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
3217.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
3219.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
我好像寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
3219.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
3220.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
以前看到學生寫報告 |
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3220.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
3221.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
我就給他很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
3221.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
3222.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
現在學生寫報告寫這麼完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
3222.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
3224.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
跟他平常表現不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
3224.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
3225.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
我都稍微質疑一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
3225.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
3228.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
這大學是用操作還是他自己想的 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
3228.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
3229.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
這個就會造成我們很大的困擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
3229.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
3231.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
那這部分怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
3231.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
3232.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
不能只有在民眾研院 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
3232.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
3235.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
郭柯文包括你未來在審查的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
3235.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
3237.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
包括五年的創作的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
3237.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
3238.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
都是我們審查的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
3238.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
3240.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
你怎麼樣面對這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
3241.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
3242.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
3242.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
3245.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
這個的確真的要回到學術的本質 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
3245.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
3247.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
上面去做探究 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
3247.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
3250.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
那我們的確會在透過很多的管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
3250.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
3252.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
去讓老師們去讓我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
3252.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
3255.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
你就趕快拜託隔壁的中研院 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
3255.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
3256.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
他們是要版權什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
3256.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
3257.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
你就拜託中研院好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
3257.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
3259.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
也可以把這個技術給你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
3259.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
3261.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
到最後我們要申請中研院的學術獎勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
3261.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
3263.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
或是個人的專案獎勵的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
3263.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
3265.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
搞不好大家先由中研院的系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
3265.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
3266.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
先掃過一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
3266.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
3268.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
然後告訴我們這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
3268.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
3270.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
當然我們原創性還是非常的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
3271.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
3272.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
但是就是會變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
3272.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
3274.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
我第一個馬上想到的就第二章 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
3274.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
3275.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
文獻探討那個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
3275.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
3277.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
那個幾乎 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
3277.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
3279.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
以前大家就覺得還要花很多時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
3279.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
3280.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
現在學生搞不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
3280.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
3281.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
最後全部丟給AI |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
3281.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
3282.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
然後生成出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
3282.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
3283.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
然後老師根本也搞不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
3283.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
3284.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
因為我根本不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
3284.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
3285.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
然後重點是 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
3285.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
3286.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
我會 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
3286.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
3287.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
重點是對我們來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
3287.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
3288.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
一個寫這麼好的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
3288.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
3290.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
以前都給他最高的肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
3290.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
3291.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
現在馬上第一個質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
3291.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
3293.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
這個到底是誰寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].start |
3293.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
3295.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
這才是我們現在面臨最大的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
3295.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
3297.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
對我來說這部分不是問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
3297.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
3298.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
我現在說可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
3298.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
3301.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
偵測到72% |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
3301.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
3302.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
68% |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
3302.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
3302.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
3302.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
3304.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
你們已經有研發這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
3304.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
3306.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
就全部丟給我們老師了 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
3306.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
3308.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
然後最重要的原因還是一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].start |
3308.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
3309.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
我們AI的台灣的模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
3309.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
3312.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
到底要是像美國認為比較是 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
3312.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
3314.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
放寬不要那麼多的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
3314.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
3316.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
還是像歐盟一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
3316.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
3317.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
絕對是要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
3317.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
3318.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
我們台灣的模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
3318.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
3319.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
是不是最後時間告訴我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
3319.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
3321.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
你到底覺得在學術界來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
3321.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
3322.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
你應該廣泛 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
3322.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
3323.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
還是在學術界當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
3323.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
3325.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
你反而是像歐盟一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
3325.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
3328.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
你要給他相當大的一個限制範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
3328.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
3329.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
3329.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
3331.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
因為在AI基本法 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
3331.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
3332.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
在制定的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
3332.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
3333.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
我們其實就進入很多次的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
3333.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
3335.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
基本上在AI基本法這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
3335.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
3338.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
我們是希望能夠去橫拼 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
3338.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
3341.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
這個比較創新跟風險的控管的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
3341.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
3343.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
那但是在學術界的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
3343.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
3346.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
其實我們是更加的鼓勵創新的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
3346.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
3347.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
那希望大家能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
3347.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
3349.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
利用AI的工具能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
3350.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
3353.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
進展到更其他的研究當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
3353.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
3354.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
是啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
3354.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
3356.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
所以說你如果說進入到更大的研究工具的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
3356.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
3359.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
那你就應該在文獻一些歷史資料的部分裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
3359.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
3361.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
你應該允許相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
3361.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
3362.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
這樣的一個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
3362.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
3364.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
讓透過一些科技的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
3364.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
3367.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
幫我們把歷史的資料做一些的統整 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
3367.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
3368.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
統整完之後 |
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3368.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
3370.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
我們基於這個部分再去做額外的創新 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
3370.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
3371.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
現在才是 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
3371.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
3374.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
所以當你那個70%可以偵測出來的時候 |
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3374.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
3376.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
到底那就是偵測出他是抄襲 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
3376.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
3378.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
還是他這個資料的完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
3378.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
3380.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
這個界定恐怕又是另一方的問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
3380.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
3381.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
3381.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
3382.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
分成兩塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
3382.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
3384.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
他有寫AI生成的部分 |
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3384.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
3386.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
然後AI改寫的部分 |
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3386.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
3387.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
我手上就有資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
3387.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
3389.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
我過去半年已經用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
3389.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
3390.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
還是一句話 |
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3390.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
3390.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
3390.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
3392.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
不要只有你們中研院在用 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
3392.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
3393.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
我們也需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
3393.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
3394.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
不管是改寫還是生成 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
3394.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
3395.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
你只要讓大學裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
3395.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
3397.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
否則我們真的還是會把 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
3397.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
3399.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
我剛剛所提到的問題還是會繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
3399.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
3402.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
最重要是到最後的參考數目當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
3402.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
3404.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
我真的不曉得到最後的部分裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
3404.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
3405.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
應該有個準則 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
3405.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
3407.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
提供大家有一個更好的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
3407.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
3409.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
否則不必了 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
3409.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
3409.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
好吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
3409.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
3410.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
3410.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
3410.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
3411.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
3414.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
謝謝柯臻恩委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
3414.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
3416.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
請機關代表回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
3416.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
3417.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
接下來有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
3417.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
3420.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
葛儒君委員進行詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
3420.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
3420.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
3430.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
3431.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].start |
3431.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
3433.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
有請國科會陳副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].start |
3433.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
3434.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
中研院彭副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
3435.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
3437.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
請國科會中研院 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
3440.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
3442.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
我先請教一下彭副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
3442.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
3443.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
剛剛的質詢裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
3443.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
3444.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
3444.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
3446.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
這個可以去檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].start |
3446.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
3447.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
他有沒有亂用 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].start |
3447.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
3449.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
這個AI去生成內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
3449.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
3450.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
你們有一些軟體是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].start |
3450.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
3452.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
這個部分可不可以延伸說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
3453.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
3456.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
好我們中研院從去年開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].start |
3456.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
3458.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
有一個軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
3458.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
3460.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
我們就手上有寫AI的偵測報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
3460.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
3463.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
所以每一個研究計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
3463.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
3465.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
我們用中研院的IP |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
3465.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
3467.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
就可以丟進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
3467.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
3470.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
那偵測出來就有兩欄 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
3470.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
3472.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
一個是所謂AI生成的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].start |
3472.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
3475.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
另外一部分是AI改寫的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].start |
3475.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
3477.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
那這一部分他可以分成 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
3477.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
3479.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
百分比都可以修得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
3479.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
3481.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
謝謝副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
3481.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
3483.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
我想這個部分也就是本席擔心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
3483.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
3484.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
本席就是擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].start |
3484.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
3488.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
我們要用軟體去檢查人類的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].start |
3488.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
3490.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
您剛剛在問的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].start |
3490.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
3491.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
您剛剛提到的這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
3491.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
3493.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
我們事前辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
3493.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
3495.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
去跟中研院來了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].start |
3495.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
3497.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
說有沒有使用軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].start |
3497.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
3499.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
有沒有採購軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].start |
3499.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
3501.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
我們得到的答案是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
3501.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
3502.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
結果您現在上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
3502.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
3504.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
還要炫耀說你們有使用軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
3504.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
3505.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
3505.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
3507.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
本席要在這裡提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
3507.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
3508.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
要維繫AI倫理 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
3508.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
3511.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
重點不在檢測工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
3511.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
3512.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
而在教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
3512.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
3514.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
在店家裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
3514.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
3516.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
購買什麼樣的工具給客人 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
3516.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
3518.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
重點不在這些工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
3518.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
3519.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
能不能傷人 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].start |
3519.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
3520.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
而是它的用途是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
3520.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
3522.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
用意是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].start |
3522.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
3523.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
放一把火 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
3523.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
3526 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
它可能會對帳篷造成危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
3526 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
3529.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
可是它可以讓人類開始吃到熟食 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
3529.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
3531.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
不知道你有沒有看過這個新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
3531.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
3533.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
這個校園 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].start |
3533.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
3534.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
維繫校園安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
3534.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
3535.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
這個沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
3535.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
3536.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
用檢查的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
3536.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
3538.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
用AI來檢查人類 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].start |
3538.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].end |
3539.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
結果造成什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].start |
3539.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
3540.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
誤判 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].start |
3540.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].end |
3541.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].text |
16歲的少年 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].start |
3541.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].end |
3543.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].text |
手上拿著Toritos |
| transcript.whisperx[915].start |
3543.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].end |
3545.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].text |
就是說他手上拿著槍 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].start |
3545.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].end |
3547.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].text |
哇這個員警一擁而上 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].start |
3547.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].end |
3548.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
這還不是什麼案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].start |
3548.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].end |
3549.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
我想傅院長可能想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].start |
3549.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].end |
3552.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
哎呀這個不一樣的AI |
| transcript.whisperx[920].start |
3552.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].end |
3553.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].text |
我就給傅院長看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].start |
3553.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].end |
3556.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].text |
這是在美國學術界裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].start |
3556.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].end |
3557.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].text |
廣泛流傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].start |
3557.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].end |
3559.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
而且已經被認定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].start |
3559.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].end |
3561.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].text |
錯誤判斷的案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].start |
3561.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].end |
3562.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].text |
科學怪人 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].start |
3562.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].end |
3563.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
馬力雪來 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].start |
3563.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
3565.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
第五章的開頭文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].start |
3565.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
3567.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
如果丟到你們的AI軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].start |
3567.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
3568.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
辨識軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].start |
3568.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
3569.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].text |
可以試試看 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].start |
3569.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].end |
3571.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
大部分的AI辨識軟體都說 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].start |
3571.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].end |
3572.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
這是AI寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].start |
3572.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].end |
3574.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
請問馬力雪來是AI嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].start |
3574.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].end |
3575.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
傅院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].start |
3576.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].end |
3577.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].text |
這個我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].start |
3577.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].end |
3579.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].text |
我們不能完全相信AI了 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].start |
3579.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].end |
3580.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].text |
是啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
3580.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].end |
3582.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].text |
要本以誠信原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].start |
3582.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].end |
3582.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].text |
還是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].start |
3582.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].end |
3583.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].start |
3583.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].end |
3584.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].text |
要check他的準確性 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
3584.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].end |
3585.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].text |
很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].start |
3585.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].end |
3586.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].text |
不然我本來上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].start |
3586.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].end |
3588.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].text |
要真的是要鼓勵一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].start |
3588.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].end |
3589.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
我們傅院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
3589.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].end |
3591.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].text |
你說容許使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].start |
3591.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].end |
3593.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].text |
使用AI不等於違反學術倫理 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].start |
3593.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].end |
3594.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
這個我們要鼓勵啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
3594.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].end |
3594.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].start |
3594.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
3596.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
如果您過度的強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].start |
3596.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
3597.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
AI的偵測 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
3597.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
3599.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
AI的軟體去監控 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
3599.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
3600.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
或者是審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].start |
3600.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
3602.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
我想這個可能會有點本末導致 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
3602.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
3603.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
我覺得我們在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
3603.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
3605.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
還是要校正一下視聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
3605.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
3606.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
也相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].start |
3606.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
3608.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
我們中研院所有同仁要放心 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
3608.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
3610.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
中研院一定是站在一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
3610.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
3611.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
更高的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].start |
3611.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].end |
3613.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
而不是要用軟體去檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
3613.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].end |
3615.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
審查人產出的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].start |
3615.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
3616.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
3616.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
3617.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
因為AI |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
3617.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
3618.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
可能會犯錯嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
3618.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
3619.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
3619.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
3621.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
尤其是文字的檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
3621.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
3622.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
AI會犯錯的機率 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
3622.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
3624.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
已經幾乎被證實了 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].start |
3624.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
3625.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
所以這一點麻煩 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
3625.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
3626.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
我們院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
3626.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].end |
3627.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
這個傅主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
3627.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
3628.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
我們都一起來努力啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
3628.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
3630.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
那這樣子的一個做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
3630.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
3632.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
其實我們也是希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
3632.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
3633.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
3633.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
3636.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
我們可以更好的運用AI |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
3636.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
3637.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
那我們今天要談 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
3637.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
3638.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
AI主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
3638.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
3640.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
或者大部分人講主權AI |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
3640.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
3642.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
那我們也不要忽視算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
3642.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
3644.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
那算力取決AI的token |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
3644.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
3646.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
全世界對AItoken的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
3646.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
3647.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
越來越高 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
3647.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
3649.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
本席過去曾經問過 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
3649.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
3650.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
國科會的吳主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
3650.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
3651.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
3651.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
3653.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
針對AI用的多用的好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
3653.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
3655.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
國內外的教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
3655.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
3655.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
因為有一些是 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
3655.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].end |
3657.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].text |
我們邀請他來的國外教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].start |
3657.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].end |
3658.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].text |
有一些是國內的 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].start |
3658.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].end |
3660.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].text |
我們可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].start |
3660.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].end |
3662.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].text |
透過這個來延攬他 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].start |
3662.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].end |
3663.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
能獎勵他 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].start |
3663.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
3665.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
吳主委當時跟我們承諾說 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].start |
3665.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].end |
3666.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].start |
3666.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
3667.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
很好的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
3667.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
3668.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
承諾一個月內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].start |
3668.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
3669.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
提供相關的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].start |
3669.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
3671.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
今天也快一個月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
3671.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
3672.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
請教一下國科會的陳副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
3672.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
3673.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
現在進度如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].start |
3673.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
3675.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
有沒有什麼初步的進展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].start |
3675.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
3675.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
可以跟大家分享 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].start |
3679.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
3680.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
跟我原回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].start |
3680.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
3683.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
我們目前應該是在整理當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].start |
3683.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
3684.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
應該是5月8號之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
3684.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
3685.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
會提供給大院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
3685.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].end |
3686.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
太好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
3686.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
3686.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
同樣問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
3686.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
3688.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
我們也問彭副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].start |
3688.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
3689.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
就是對於使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].start |
3689.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
3690.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
因為您剛剛也講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
3690.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
3692.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
就是這個AI不等於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].start |
3692.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
3693.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
違反學術人義 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].start |
3693.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
3694.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
正面看待 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
3694.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
3696.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
而且容許使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
3696.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
3697.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
我們也希望中央院的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].start |
3697.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
3699.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
是很會善用AI |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].start |
3699.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
3700.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
那對於善用AI |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
3700.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
3702.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
有在使用AItoken |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
3702.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
3703.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
或使用AI工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].start |
3703.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
3704.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
在做研究的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
3704.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
3706.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
國內外優異的研究員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].start |
3706.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
3708.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
有沒有提供一些幫助 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
3708.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
3710.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
或對國外研覽來的學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
3710.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
3711.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
我們可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
3711.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
3712.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
或者國內邀請來的學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
3712.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
3714.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
給他AItoken更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
3714.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
3716.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].text |
讓他可以做更好的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
3716.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
3718.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
這個部分能不能一個月內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
3718.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
3720.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
給本席一個規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
3720.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
3721.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
我們一起來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
3721.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
3722.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
可以這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
3722.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
3722.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
3722.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
3723.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
3723.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
3724.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
那接下來本席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
3724.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
3727.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
想先請教副主委一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
3728.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
3729.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
我們來看一下這個畫面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
3729.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
3731.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].text |
這個字有點小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].start |
3731.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
3733.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].text |
當然問一下劉勝良 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].start |
3733.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
3735.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].text |
陳婉慧 邱承遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
3735.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
3738.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].text |
目前是在立法院的哪一個委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].start |
3742.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
3743.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].text |
好問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].start |
3743.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].end |
3744.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].text |
這個問題要查一下才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].start |
3744.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].end |
3745.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].text |
好 沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].start |
3745.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].end |
3747.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
事實上不用查AI |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
3747.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
3748.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].text |
問在場所有的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
3748.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
3748.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
我們都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
3748.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
3751.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
這三位都已經不是現任的立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].start |
3751.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
3752.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
但這個畫面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].start |
3752.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].end |
3753.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
我們是使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
3753.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
3756.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
今年2月才釋出的台德模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
3756.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
3758.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
那他的回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
3758.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
3759.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
非常具有想像空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
3759.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
3763.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
說他們是台灣民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].start |
3763.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
3765.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].text |
是會籍擔任副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].start |
3765.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
3766.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
各種的想像 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].start |
3766.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
3768.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
而且還講了2025年底 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
3768.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
3770.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
所屬的委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
3770.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
3772.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
有各種各種的想像 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
3772.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
3773.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
清楚的告訴我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
3773.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
3776.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
一個錯誤的宇宙好像真實一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
3776.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
3779.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
但是我們理解資料是會出錯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
3779.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
3781.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
研究同仁都很努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
3781.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
3783.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
但是這些出錯的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
3783.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
3785.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
這個模型吐出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
3785.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
3786.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
卻認為它是真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
3786.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
3787.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
我們還問了他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
3787.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
3789.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
現在的副主委是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
3789.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
3790.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].text |
他說林敏聰女士 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].start |
3790.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
3791.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
想必副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
3791.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
3793.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
您不是林敏聰女士 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
3793.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
3794.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
對吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
3794.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
3795.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
所以這個資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
3795.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
3797.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
可是他上面還解得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
3797.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
3799.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
截至2026年初 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
3799.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
3800.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
3800.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
3802.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
這樣子的一種做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
3802.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
3804.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
在過去的AI服務裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
3804.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
3806.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
是要清楚標示的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
3806.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
3807.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
那我們可以看得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
3807.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
3808.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
Chap GPT |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
3808.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
3810.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
Germanite都有標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
3810.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
3813.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
那模型能不能用這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
3813.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
3815.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
我想請教一下主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
3815.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
3817.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
我們推出了2月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
3817.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
3818.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
今年2月才推出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
3818.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
3819.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
台德的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
3819.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
3820.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
我們所有研究人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
3820.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
3822.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
都很用心去做出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
3822.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
3824.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
可是做出來的這個資訊結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
3824.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
3825.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
這樣我們應該要如何看待 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
3825.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
3826.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
如何處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
3828.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
3829.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
跟委員回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
3829.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
3830.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
這個台德這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
3830.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
3833.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
我們其實一直在鼓勵大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
3833.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
3835.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
來做精進 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
3835.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
3837.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].text |
所以這個我們會再繼續努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].start |
3837.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].end |
3839.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].text |
好事實上我覺得幾個建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].start |
3839.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].end |
3840.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].text |
非常明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].start |
3840.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].end |
3841.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].start |
3841.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].end |
3842.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].text |
事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].start |
3842.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].end |
3844.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
有部分內容在問他的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].start |
3844.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].end |
3846.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].text |
他會很明確的講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
3846.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
3848.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
他的資料只在2023年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
3848.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].end |
3850.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].text |
所以事實上我們也看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].start |
3850.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].end |
3852.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].text |
一些集權國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].start |
3852.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].end |
3853.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].text |
他可能在問他某一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
3853.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].end |
3855.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
數字的問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].start |
3855.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].end |
3856.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].text |
他不想回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
3856.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].end |
3858.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].text |
我們不去做審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
3858.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].end |
3858.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
3858.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].end |
3861.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].text |
模型本身是可以自我理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
3861.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].end |
3863.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
他的資料到什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
3863.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].end |
3865.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].text |
模型在吐出答案的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
3865.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].end |
3867.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
也是可以提醒用戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
3867.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
3868.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
這個資料不盡正確 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
3868.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].end |
3869.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].text |
我相信在座 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
3869.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].end |
3871.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
剛剛這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].start |
3871.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].end |
3872.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
中研院副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
3872.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].end |
3874.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].text |
彭副院長也說他用AI用得很熟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
3874.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].end |
3875.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
我相信有用過AI去問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].start |
3875.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].end |
3877.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].text |
法律問題的人都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].start |
3877.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].end |
3878.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
他最後一定會加一句 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].start |
3878.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].end |
3880.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].text |
這是法律的相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
3880.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
3882.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
這個參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].start |
3882.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
3885.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
請你有問題還是要詢問律師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
3885.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
3887.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
所以這一種所謂的AI |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
3887.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
3888.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
跟互動過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
3888.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
3890.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].text |
所做到的提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
3890.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
3891.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
我們還是要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
3891.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
3893.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
這一點未來我們可不可以持續的改進 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
3893.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
3895.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
跟我原報應該是可以的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
3895.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
3895.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
3895.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
3897.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
我們其實也想說好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
3897.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
3898.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].start |
3898.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
3899.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
時間的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
3899.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].end |
3901.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].text |
也許沒有辦法非常完美 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].start |
3901.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].end |
3903.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].text |
但是我們也想要測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].start |
3903.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].end |
3905.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].text |
他的文化主權的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].start |
3905.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].end |
3906.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].text |
因為我們也看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].start |
3906.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].end |
3908.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].text |
你說自己做自己的AI模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].start |
3908.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].end |
3909.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].text |
要Fight 2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].start |
3909.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].end |
3911.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].text |
要對我們的文化有更多的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].start |
3911.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].end |
3912.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].text |
結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].start |
3912.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].end |
3915.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].text |
在地的語境也掌握不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].start |
3915.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].end |
3917.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
這字有點小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].start |
3917.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].end |
3919.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].text |
那我們就問了這個台德的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].start |
3919.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].end |
3920.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].text |
劉友看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].start |
3920.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].end |
3921.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].text |
與眾分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].start |
3921.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].end |
3923.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].text |
高麗菜煮蛋那一桌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].start |
3923.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].end |
3924.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].text |
到底是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].start |
3925.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].end |
3926.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].text |
兩個不信 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].start |
3926.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].end |
3927.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].text |
第一個不信 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].start |
3927.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].end |
3928.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].text |
我們已經問了他脆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].start |
3928.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].end |
3929.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].text |
結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].start |
3929.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].end |
3932.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].text |
他他括號說TikTok |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].start |
3932.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].end |
3933.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].text |
抖音就是所謂的脆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].start |
3933.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].end |
3937.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].text |
對於我們台灣的文化完全誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].start |
3937.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].end |
3941.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].text |
同時對於網友的這種文字的用詞用法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].start |
3941.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].end |
3942.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].text |
他也不了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].start |
3942.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].end |
3945.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].text |
所以我們其實覺得非常的可惜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].start |
3945.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].end |
3946.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].text |
然後我們也測試了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].start |
3946.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].end |
3948.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].text |
你說文化的主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].start |
3948.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].end |
3949.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].text |
主權的AI |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].start |
3949.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].end |
3950.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].text |
結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].start |
3950.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].end |
3951.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].text |
我們問他一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].start |
3951.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].end |
3952.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].text |
電影的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].start |
3952.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].end |
3953.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].start |
3953.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].end |
3955.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].text |
這個翻譯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].start |
3955.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].end |
3957.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].text |
結果他說有一部很好看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].start |
3957.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].end |
3959.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].text |
克里斯多夫諾蘭的影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].start |
3959.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].end |
3960.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].text |
潛行空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].start |
3960.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].end |
3962.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].text |
我看到有人在笑了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].start |
3962.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].end |
3963.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].text |
這是Inception |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].start |
3963.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].end |
3965.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].text |
這是我最愛的電影 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].start |
3965.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].end |
3966.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].text |
全面啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].start |
3966.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].end |
3967.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].text |
潛行空間是誰的翻譯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].start |
3967.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].end |
3968.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].text |
不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].start |
3968.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].end |
3970.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].text |
中國大陸的翻譯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].start |
3970.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
3971.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].text |
結果Jama吐出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].start |
3971.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].end |
3974.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].text |
我們完全沒有要苛責研究人員的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].start |
3974.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].end |
3976.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].text |
我們要幫助大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].start |
3976.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].end |
3978.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].text |
所以我有具體兩點訴求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].start |
3978.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].end |
3980.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].text |
想跟副主委交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].start |
3980.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].end |
3980.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].text |
第一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].start |
3981.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].end |
3983.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].text |
我們要超前部署 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].start |
3983.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].end |
3986.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].text |
那我們現在的這個模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].start |
3986.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].end |
3989.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].text |
今年2月推出Jama3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].start |
3989.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].end |
3991.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].text |
12B的Find 2的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].start |
3991.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].end |
3993.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].text |
但是4月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].start |
3993.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].end |
3995.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].text |
Jama4就出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].start |
3995.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].end |
3996.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].text |
我們做了時間很久 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].start |
3996.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].end |
3997.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].text |
我沒有要苛責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].start |
3997.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].end |
3999.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].text |
但是我們能不能去討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].start |
4000.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].end |
4004.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].text |
產官學更多的公司協力的合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].start |
4004.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].end |
4006.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].text |
因為事實上在過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].start |
4006.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].end |
4008.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].text |
這字都有點小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].start |
4008.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].end |
4009.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].text |
不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].start |
4009.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].end |
4011.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].text |
就說這個FreeSD |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].start |
4011.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].end |
4014.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].text |
FreeSeed有一個大型的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].start |
4014.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].end |
4015.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].text |
陳彥廷 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].start |
4015.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].end |
4019.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].text |
我們博士的非常棒的研究員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].start |
4019.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].end |
4022.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].text |
他是用了很多的台灣本地的語料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].start |
4022.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].end |
4024.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].text |
去訓練了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].start |
4024.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].end |
4026.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].text |
用GBT-OSS 120B |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].start |
4026.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].end |
4029.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].text |
去Find 2的一個120B的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].start |
4029.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].end |
4030.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].text |
那他們很努力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].start |
4030.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].end |
4032.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].text |
還要去群眾募資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].start |
4032.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].end |
4034.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].text |
然後去募集資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].start |
4034.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].end |
4036.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].text |
做了可能也很難做下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].start |
4036.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].end |
4040.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].text |
我們有沒有辦法去公司協力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].start |
4040.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].end |
4042.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].text |
我們也幫副主委找了法源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].start |
4042.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].end |
4044.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].text |
AI基本法第八條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].start |
4044.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].end |
4046.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].text |
資通安全法第四條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].start |
4046.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].end |
4049.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].text |
都明確要求政府要促進產官學合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].start |
4049.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].end |
4051.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].text |
那目前國際也是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].start |
4051.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].end |
4054.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].text |
NASA國防部直接跟SpaceX來發射火箭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].start |
4054.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].end |
4055.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].text |
因為很多事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].start |
4055.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].end |
4058.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].text |
我覺得三年前我們還可以討論政府來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].start |
4058.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].end |
4060.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].text |
現在我們要借重民間的力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].start |
4060.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].end |
4063.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].text |
我們主權AI的發展上可不可以比照辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].start |
4063.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].end |
4066.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].text |
去建構一套政府與民間協力的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].start |
4066.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].end |
4068.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].text |
副主委能不能在一個月內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].start |
4068.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].end |
4070.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].text |
針對大模型還有算力的機房 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].start |
4070.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].end |
4073.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].text |
去提出我們的公司協力的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].start |
4073.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].end |
4075.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].text |
合作的規劃的可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].start |
4075.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].end |
4075.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].start |
4075.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].end |
4076.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].text |
跟委員回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].start |
4076.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].end |
4080.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].text |
基本上這個的確就是我們現在在做的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].start |
4080.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].end |
4083.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].text |
包含了我們在推動的算力聯盟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].start |
4083.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].end |
4085.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].text |
那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].start |
4085.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].end |
4087.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].text |
台的就是所謂的大型模型這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].start |
4087.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].end |
4090.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].text |
我們也希望能夠跟廠商做合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].start |
4090.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].end |
4092.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].text |
一個月可能是稍微短一點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].start |
4092.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].end |
4093.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].text |
兩個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].start |
4093.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].end |
4094.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].start |
4094.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].end |
4095.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].text |
這個AI的時代 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].start |
4095.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].end |
4097.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].text |
一個月等於就是一個世紀了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].start |
4097.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].end |
4097.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].start |
4097.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].end |
4098.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].start |
4098.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].end |
4098.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].start |
4098.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].end |
4098.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].start |
4098.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].end |
4100.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].text |
所以這個我們其實已經正在做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].start |
4100.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].end |
4101.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].text |
兩個月可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].start |
4101.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].end |
4101.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].text |
可以可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].start |
4101.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].end |
4102.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].text |
我們兩個月內跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].start |
4102.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].end |
4103.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
4103.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].end |
4105.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].text |
因為我看到國各位今天的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].start |
4105.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].end |
4108.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].text |
說2029年瞄準算力到多少瓦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].start |
4108.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].end |
4109.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].text |
你自己記得嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
4109.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].end |
4110.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].text |
2029應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
4110.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].end |
4112.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].text |
2029 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].start |
4112.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].end |
4113.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].text |
23MW |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].start |
4113.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].end |
4113.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].start |
4114.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].end |
4117.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].text |
副主委有上網看網路新聞吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].start |
4117.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].end |
4119.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].text |
有看這些國外大廠的發表會吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].start |
4119.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].end |
4120.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].start |
4120.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].end |
4121.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].text |
我直接跟您分享 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].start |
4121.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].end |
4123.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].text |
2027到2028 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].start |
4123.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].end |
4126.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].text |
Meta要啟用1GW |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].start |
4126.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].end |
4128.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].text |
到2030年以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].start |
4129.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].end |
4130.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].text |
2GW |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].start |
4130.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].end |
4130.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].start |
4130.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].end |
4132.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].text |
GIGA的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].start |
4132.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].end |
4134.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].text |
我們上次已經跟國會主委討論過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].start |
4134.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].end |
4135.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].text |
人家是2000 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].start |
4135.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].end |
4135.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].start |
4135.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].end |
4137.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].text |
我們是20 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].start |
4137.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].end |
4138.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].start |
4138.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].end |
4139.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].text |
然後我們又是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
4139.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].end |
4139.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].text |
哇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].start |
4139.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].end |
4140.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].text |
科技之島 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].start |
4140.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].end |
4141.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].text |
又細頓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].start |
4141.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].end |
4144.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].text |
所以我們真的要跟產業一起來合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].start |
4144.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].end |
4144.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].text |
當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].start |
4144.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].end |
4144.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].text |
要加倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].start |
4144.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].end |
4145.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].text |
而且要加速 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].start |
4145.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].end |
4146.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].start |
4146.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].end |
4147.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].text |
那最後還有一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].start |
4147.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].end |
4149.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].text |
另外本席要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].start |
4149.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].end |
4151.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].text |
我們能不能進一步的來布局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].start |
4151.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].end |
4153.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].text |
因為我們自己要蓋 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].start |
4153.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].end |
4154.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].text |
可能真的很難 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].start |
4154.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].end |
4156.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].text |
我們就算公司協力也很難 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].start |
4156.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].end |
4157.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].text |
這個AI token |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].start |
4157.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].end |
4160.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].text |
我們能不能提前布局採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].start |
4160.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].end |
4162.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].text |
這什麼意思呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].start |
4162.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].end |
4163.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].text |
澳洲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].start |
4163.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].end |
4163.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].text |
日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].start |
4163.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].end |
4164.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].text |
美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].start |
4164.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].end |
4165.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].text |
正在蓋 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].start |
4165.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].end |
4167.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].text |
沒有台積電的晶片 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].start |
4167.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].end |
4167.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].text |
他也蓋不了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].start |
4167.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].end |
4168.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].text |
沒有台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].start |
4168.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].end |
4169.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].text |
台灣的供應商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].start |
4169.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].end |
4171.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].text |
提供他這些機架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].start |
4171.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].end |
4173.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].text |
這些水冷設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].start |
4173.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].end |
4174.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].text |
他也不能去蓋 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].start |
4174.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].end |
4176.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].text |
我們可不可以早一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].start |
4176.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].end |
4177.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].text |
在蓋的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].start |
4177.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].end |
4180.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].text |
我們用國家的高度去跟他談 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].start |
4180.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].end |
4182.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].text |
我們談AI token的預購 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].start |
4182.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].end |
4185.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].text |
我們阿拉斯加的這個LNG |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].start |
4185.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].end |
4187.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].text |
我們國家都可以來預購 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].start |
4187.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].end |
4187.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].text |
AI token |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].start |
4187.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].end |
4189.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].text |
我們能不能及早做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].start |
4189.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].end |
4191.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].text |
國家級的預購 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].start |
4191.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].end |
4193.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].text |
因為你要建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].start |
4193.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].end |
4195.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].text |
就建成像我們剛剛看到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].start |
4195.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].end |
4199.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].text |
2028年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].start |
4199.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].end |
4200.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].text |
2029年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].start |
4200.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].end |
4203.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].text |
我們要23GW |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].start |
4203.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].end |
4205.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].text |
別人的1% |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].start |
4205.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].end |
4207.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].text |
這個有沒有機會來研議一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].start |
4207.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].end |
4208.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].text |
好這我們回去研討看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].start |
4208.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].end |
4210.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].text |
那時間能不能給我一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].start |
4210.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].end |
4211.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].text |
這個可能要快 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].start |
4211.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].end |
4212.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].text |
這個一個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].start |
4212.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].end |
4213.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].text |
初步的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].start |
4213.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].end |
4214.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].text |
初步的一個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].start |
4214.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].end |
4216.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].text |
那有機會也可能要邀請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].start |
4216.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].end |
4217.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].text |
國歌會這邊來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].start |
4217.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].end |
4219.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].text |
我們這邊一起來探討一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].start |
4219.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].end |
4221.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].text |
因為這個真的是要提前布局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].start |
4221.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].end |
4223.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].text |
過了這個村沒有那個店 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].start |
4223.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].end |
4223.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].text |
你都蓋好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].start |
4223.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].end |
4225.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].text |
你跟人家說要分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].start |
4225.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].end |
4226.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].text |
人家也不分你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].start |
4226.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].end |
4228.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].text |
現在在商業合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].start |
4228.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].end |
4229.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].text |
我們國家有話語權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].start |
4229.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].end |
4231.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].text |
這也是我們的AI主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].start |
4231.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].end |
4233.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].text |
也是我們的主權AI |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].start |
4233.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].end |
4235.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].text |
最後的最後請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].start |
4235.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].end |
4236.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].text |
短期內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].start |
4236.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].end |
4237.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].text |
我們剛剛講的都是長期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].start |
4237.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].end |
4239.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].text |
短期內沒有超前部署 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].start |
4239.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].end |
4242.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].text |
我們可不可以做到精準打擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].start |
4242.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].end |
4243.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].text |
因為我們的AI |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].start |
4243.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].end |
4245.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].text |
主權AI或AI主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].start |
4245.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].end |
4248.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].text |
其實就是要有文化的主體性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].start |
4248.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].end |
4250.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].text |
這一點我相信也是我們主席安排 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].start |
4250.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].end |
4252.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].text |
這次的專題報告非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].start |
4252.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].end |
4253.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].text |
要文化的主體性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].start |
4253.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].end |
4254.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].text |
我們的AI |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].start |
4254.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].end |
4256.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].text |
要講我們的語言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].start |
4256.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].end |
4258.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].text |
我們講影片就影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].start |
4258.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].end |
4259.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].text |
不是視頻 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].start |
4259.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].end |
4260.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].text |
講聲音就是聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].start |
4260.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].end |
4262.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].text |
不是音頻 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].start |
4262.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].end |
4263.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].text |
品質就品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].start |
4263.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].end |
4265.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].text |
不是質量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].start |
4265.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
4267.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
但是我們現在發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].start |
4267.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
4269.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
沒有這樣的語料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].start |
4269.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
4271.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
我們的這個語料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].start |
4271.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
4273.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
有很多東西沒有更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].start |
4273.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].end |
4274.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].text |
像我們提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
4274.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].end |
4276.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].text |
上次講AI token |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
4276.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
4277.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
4277.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
4278.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].text |
我們去查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
4278.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
4279.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
其實相關的這個語料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
4279.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
4281.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
其實是不夠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
4281.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
4283.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
像一個電影inception |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
4283.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
4285.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
我們台灣翻譯是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
4285.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
4286.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
全面啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
4286.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
4288.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
而且會跑出一個潛行空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
4288.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
4290.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
其實這是可以解決的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
4290.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
4292.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
如果我們有一個語料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].start |
4292.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
4293.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].text |
台灣的用語 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
4294.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
4296.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
GBT可以來學 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
4296.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
4297.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
Gemini可以來學 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
4297.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
4299.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
台德自己也可以來學 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
4299.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
4301.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
就不會發生我們剛剛看到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
4301.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
4303.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
重要的國家級的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
4303.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
4304.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
是錯誤的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
4304.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
4306.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
重要的國家的文化是錯誤的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
4306.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
4308.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
這個我再考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
4308.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
4309.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
這個主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
4309.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
4311.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
這一題已經卸題過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
4311.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
4314.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
像這個是我們很重要的一個文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
4314.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
4316.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
這個是什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
4316.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
4318.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
這是前總統蔡英文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
4318.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
4320.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
有20萬讚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
4320.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
4322.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
在那個臉書 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
4322.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
4324.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
在槌上面全球轟動的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
4324.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
4326.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
算是次文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
4329.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
4331.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
有沒有人要搭救一下我們副主委的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
4331.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
4335.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
蘇巴布次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
4335.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
4337.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
這個侯次長真的很有我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
4337.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
4339.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
很了解我們這個庶民文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
4339.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
4341.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
網路文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
4341.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
4343.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
真羨慕這個詞打出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
4343.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
4345.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
全球的網路阿宅 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
4345.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
4347.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
不明絕力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
4347.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
4349.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
事實上就是真羨慕的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
4349.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
4351.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
那真羨慕 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
4351.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
4353.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
我們也考過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].start |
4353.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
4355.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
全世界所有主流AI都沒通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
4355.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
4357.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].text |
測驗沒有任何一個AI知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
4357.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
4359.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
這個是真羨慕的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
4359.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
4361.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
只要我們有一個語料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
4361.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
4363.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
這不用很貴阿 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
4363.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
4365.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
把它建進去我們JM312B |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].start |
4365.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].end |
4367.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].text |
他也可以回答出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].start |
4367.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].end |
4369.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].text |
這個就是我們真正的AI主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].start |
4369.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].end |
4371.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].text |
真正的主權AI |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].start |
4371.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].end |
4373.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].text |
這個副主委阿 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].start |
4373.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].end |
4375.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].text |
有沒有機會能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].start |
4375.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].end |
4377.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].text |
在一定的期間之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].start |
4377.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].end |
4379.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].text |
我剛剛很多報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].start |
4379.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].end |
4381.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].text |
這個您自己講一個時間好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].start |
4381.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].end |
4383.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].text |
我真的不想讓大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].start |
4383.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].end |
4385.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].text |
這個真的很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].start |
4385.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].end |
4387.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].text |
我們就一直在呼籲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].start |
4387.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].end |
4389.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].text |
我們的政府要回過頭來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].start |
4389.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].end |
4391.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].text |
要定義我們自己的文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].start |
4391.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].end |
4393.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].text |
包含我們的庶民文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].start |
4393.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].end |
4395.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].text |
網路文化電影的翻譯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].start |
4395.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].end |
4397.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].text |
藝人的名稱是真泥佛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].start |
4397.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].end |
4399.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].text |
不是真泥花是蜘蛛人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].start |
4399.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].end |
4401.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].text |
不是蜘蛛俠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].start |
4401.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].end |
4403.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].text |
這個副主委我們能不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].start |
4403.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].end |
4405.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].text |
要跨部會我想你們是最適合跨部會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].start |
4405.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].end |
4407.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].text |
是是這個我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].start |
4407.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].end |
4409.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].text |
因為語料庫這一塊現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].start |
4409.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].end |
4411.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].text |
書發部在幫忙在處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].start |
4411.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].end |
4413.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].text |
所以我們可以跟書發部一起來做這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].start |
4413.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].end |
4415.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].text |
能不能有一個時間線 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].start |
4415.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].end |
4417.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].start |
4417.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].end |
4419.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].text |
一個月兩個月或三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].start |
4419.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].end |
4421.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].text |
有個初步研議的程度我不喜歡這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].start |
4421.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].end |
4423.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].text |
但是因為這件事情很急迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].start |
4423.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].end |
4425.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].text |
我想侯次長也很瞭解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].start |
4425.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].end |
4427.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].text |
其實只要說不定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].start |
4427.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].end |
4429.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].text |
訪談一下侯次長把它建立起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].start |
4429.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].end |
4431.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].text |
這個語料庫說不定就很完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].start |
4431.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].end |
4433.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].text |
可不可以有一個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].start |
4434.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].end |
4436.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].text |
三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].start |
4437.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].end |
4439.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].text |
應該三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].start |
4439.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].end |
4441.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].text |
全球AI主流AI |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].start |
4441.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].end |
4443.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].text |
Cloud GPT Gemini |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].start |
4443.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].end |
4445.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].text |
因應期盼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].start |
4445.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].end |
4447.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].text |
因為他們真的很想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].start |
4447.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].end |
4449.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].text |
更加貼近我們民主的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].start |
4449.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].end |
4451.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].text |
繁體中文的華文的文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].start |
4451.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].end |
4453.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].text |
好不好這一點我們一起來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].start |
4453.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].end |
4455.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].text |
可以嗎好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].start |
4455.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].end |
4457.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].text |
謝謝副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].start |
4457.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].end |
4459.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].text |
好謝謝葛瑞君委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].start |
4459.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].end |
4461.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].text |
請官員回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].start |
4461.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].end |
4465.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].text |
接下來有請林怡菁委員進行詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].start |
4473.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].end |
4475.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].start |
4475.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].end |
4477.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].text |
有請國科會陳副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].start |
4477.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].end |
4479.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].text |
訴發部侯次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].start |
4479.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].end |
4481.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].text |
中研院彭副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].start |
4481.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].end |
4483.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].text |
請三個機關代表上質詢台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].start |
4486.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].end |
4488.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].text |
首先我想請教國科會跟訴發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].start |
4488.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].end |
4492.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].text |
當初我們制定AI基本法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].start |
4492.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].end |
4496.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].text |
曾屢屢提及我們訴發部要去盤點各部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].start |
4496.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].end |
4500.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].text |
然後去配合來訂定相關的執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].start |
4500.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].end |
4504.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].text |
那因為有些法律甚至是要配合AI基本法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].start |
4504.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].end |
4506.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].text |
來做出相對應的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].start |
4506.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].end |
4510.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].text |
那這個可以參照AI基本法的第17條到第19條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].start |
4510.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].end |
4512.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].text |
那AI基本法的第16條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].start |
4512.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].end |
4514.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].text |
還有明定說我們訴發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].start |
4514.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].end |
4518.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].text |
要訂定AI的風險分類框架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].start |
4519.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].end |
4523.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].text |
那想請教侯次長跟陳副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].start |
4523.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].end |
4527.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].text |
我們執法修法的盤點進度如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].start |
4527.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].end |
4531.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].text |
那這個風險分類框架什麼時候公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].start |
4531.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].end |
4533.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].text |
那相對應的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].start |
4533.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].end |
4535.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].text |
有沒有跟其他的部會再進行討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].start |
4538.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].end |
4540.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].start |
4540.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].end |
4546.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].text |
目前風險分類框架還有法規的盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].start |
4546.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].end |
4548.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].text |
現在都是在進行當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].start |
4548.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].end |
4552.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].text |
那風險分類框架應該已經送到行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].start |
4552.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].end |
4554.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].text |
現在正在等待核定當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].start |
4554.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].end |
4556.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].text |
那其他的盤點我們應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].start |
4556.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].end |
4558.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].text |
相關的執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].start |
4558.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].end |
4560.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].text |
一直在進行當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].start |
4560.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].end |
4564.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].text |
那可不可以把預計要修法的這些法規清單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].start |
4564.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].end |
4566.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].text |
不管是法律或者是法規命令 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].start |
4566.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].end |
4570.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].text |
是不是可以一個禮拜給本席分報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].start |
4571.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].end |
4573.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].text |
AI基本法都通過三讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].start |
4573.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].end |
4575.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].text |
通過那麼久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].start |
4575.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].end |
4577.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].start |
4577.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].end |
4581.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].text |
我們目前是把這個AI風險分類框架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].start |
4581.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].end |
4583.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].text |
送到行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].start |
4583.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].end |
4585.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].text |
那可能也跟委員報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].start |
4585.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].end |
4591.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].text |
目前AI風險框架跟各部會協作的一個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].start |
4591.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].end |
4593.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].text |
那風險分類框架裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].start |
4593.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].end |
4597.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].text |
我們風險分為三大類 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].start |
4597.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].end |
4599.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].text |
那三大類底下有18個子類 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].start |
4599.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].end |
4603.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].text |
那這18個子類我們是參考MIT的這個風險的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].start |
4603.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].end |
4607.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].text |
它有一個叫Risk Repository的一個架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].start |
4607.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].end |
4614.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].text |
那這個架構其實是收集了全世界各國不同的風險分類去做統整 |
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那在這一個三大類18個子類之下呢 |
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我們把風險整個分類框架還有分為四個步驟 |
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那第一個步驟是盤點應用場景 |
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也就是我們請各機關去盤點他們所屬的這個所管的業務範圍內 |
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有哪些AI應用的場景 |
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那第二個步驟就是在這個應用場景底下 |
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依據我們所提供的這個分類 |
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有哪些風險會產生 |
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那第三個步驟就是評估風險 |
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就是究竟他們識別出來的這些風險的可能性 |
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和發生之後嚴重危害的程度 |
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是不是有到所謂高風險的這個等級 |
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那最後就是請各個部會他們去盤點說 |
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在這一個風險識別的和評估的結果底下 |
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現有的法律和政策工具是不是足夠因應 |
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那如果不夠因應的話呢 |
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是不是要去進行修法 |
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或是要有新的政策工具來提供 |
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那這整個作施呢 |
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整個步驟我們現在在國科會的支持底下 |
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已經跟各部會開始進行非常積極的協作 |
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那我也請委員能夠 |
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我相信委員也能夠理解 |
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在這各個不同的部會裡面呢 |
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其實AI應用的程度是相當不一樣的 |
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那他們對AI的這個理解還有風險的這個識別 |
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也都不太一樣 |
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那目前我們跟勞動部還有這個衛福部 |
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幾個比較金管會這些都已經開始進行協作 |
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那關於修法的部分 |
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不好意思請 |
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對對對 |
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現在要討論這種修法 |
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相關的執法 |
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我沒有說什麼時候執法要出來 |
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至少你們規劃什麼時候執法的草案出來 |
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那相關的盤點的進度 |
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我再詢問這個 |
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好那國科會這邊其實已經有請各部會去做初步的盤點 |
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那但是也請委員能夠理解 |
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就是因為AI的這個運用還有技術 |
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一直在不斷的變動當中 |
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所以還在盤點當中 |
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就是我們可能要持續性的跟您階段性的報告 |
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就是因為他可不可以先給我 |
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就是目前盤點到如何 |
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給我一份書面報告好不好 |
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因為時間的關係 |
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好那接下來來解釋 |
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就是AI這個各層面的議題 |
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因為他很清楚他跨足了科研端應用端 |
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那他學科其實也不僅局限在科技領域 |
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他甚至還有法學的問題 |
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侯次長很清楚還有社會學的問題 |
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所以本席認為說中研院跟國科會在學研的方面 |
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我們應該清楚電機AI |
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就是跨領域研究的基礎理論 |
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來引領這個研究者投入更深的研究 |
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那想要請教中研院就是說 |
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還有那個國科會 |
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我們未來在AI這個基礎的研究上 |
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我們會呈現什麼樣的跨領域的研究 |
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會建立什麼樣的學門 |
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好謝謝這個林委員 |
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這一點我想我們就是我們要再做訓練 |
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剛才在報告裡面 |
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我們要跨領域 |
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比如說我們的人文的學者過去不懂AI |
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那現在我們就要訓練他 |
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我們一直也在開很多的這個課 |
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請他們助理們要去上 |
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那另外我們也請我們院內資訊人員 |
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協助他們在做這些AI方面的訓練 |
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從兩方面來做 |
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好就是有一直在努力就對了 |
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那我想我們在這邊看見 |
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這個AI的浪潮這個席捲全球這個時刻 |
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我們各學科的領域都有人投入深入研究 |
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像清大這個林勤副教授 |
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他就在中研院的這個法學期刊 |
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有撰文分析OMO的AI基本法 |
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那接續我前面提到的法制的問題 |
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本席認為國科會跟中研院 |
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我們應該真的很努力來進行實證的研究 |
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具體在這個AI的這個議題 |
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提供修法跟立法的建議 |
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讓學研跟修法可以持續交流對話 |
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那進而可以被司法來作為裁判的依據 |
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那我們回到這一次的主題之一 |
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就是學門的建構與應用 |
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本席認為在這邊我們相關學門的建構 |
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我們最後指向的其實是應用 |
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那重點就在實際應用 |
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所以本席作為一個立法者 |
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我們的幕僚常常會在研讀各種法學的這個研究成果 |
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也參考這個來作為修法的建議 |
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來提出修法 |
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所以本席要在這裡具體的建議 |
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這個AI的法律研究 |
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應該要突破單純的分析比較法的視野 |
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就跟我前面所說的 |
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要跟這個立法的實務有更多的對話 |
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那簡單來說像中研院跟國科會 |
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4919.39 |
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4920.39 |
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我們做出的研究 |
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4920.39 |
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4923.39 |
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就應該要實質能建議 |
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4923.39 |
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4927.39 |
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給AI跟數位的主管機關跟立法院 |
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4927.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
4929.39 |
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所以在這裡想要了解 |
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4929.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].end |
4932.39 |
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我們中研院國科會跟速發部 |
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4932.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].end |
4934.39 |
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對於我剛提到這個看法 |
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4934.39 |
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4936.39 |
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你們有什麼樣的想法 |
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4936.39 |
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4938.39 |
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好謝謝林委員的建議 |
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4938.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].end |
4941.39 |
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我們其實在兩年前就成立了 |
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4941.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].end |
4943.39 |
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這個法律方面的風險小組 |
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4943.39 |
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4946.39 |
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由我們在座的法律所的陳所長 |
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4946.39 |
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4948.39 |
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林所長來負責 |
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4948.39 |
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4951.39 |
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那我們就都會固定去盤點 |
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4951.39 |
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4954.39 |
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哪些的會碰到的法律問題 |
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4954.39 |
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4956.39 |
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我希望未來可能有機會 |
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4956.39 |
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4959.39 |
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會跟國科會來做進一步的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].start |
4959.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].end |
4960.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].text |
謝謝 |
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4962.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].end |
4963.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].text |
國科會 |
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4963.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].end |
4964.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].start |
4964.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].end |
4967.03 |
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我們其實不只是法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].start |
4967.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].end |
4970.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].text |
國科會這邊所支持的一些研究的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].start |
4970.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].end |
4974.03 |
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只要跟各部會有關係的有幫助的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].start |
4974.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].end |
4978.03 |
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我們都會轉請各部會做參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].start |
4978.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].end |
4979.03 |
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那在法律這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].start |
4979.03 |
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4982.03 |
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其實我們跟中研院也有很多密切的合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].start |
4982.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].end |
4985.03 |
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那其實有一些對法規的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].start |
4985.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].end |
4987.03 |
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就像說人工智慧基本法這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].start |
4987.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].end |
4990.03 |
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我們其實已經有很多的研究討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].start |
4990.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].end |
4993.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].text |
那其實都有提供給處發部做參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].start |
4993.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].end |
4994.03 |
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好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].start |
4994.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].end |
4997.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].text |
那最後我再談一個實際應用的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].start |
4997.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].end |
4999.03 |
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就是我們今天的主題之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].start |
4999.03 |
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5001.03 |
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就是數位透明度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].start |
5001.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].end |
5004.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].text |
那這個對應到我國AI基本法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].start |
5004.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].end |
5005.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].text |
這個宣示的原則之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].start |
5005.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].end |
5007.03 |
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就是透明與可解釋性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].start |
5007.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].end |
5010.03 |
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簡單來說就是當AI做出一個決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].start |
5010.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].end |
5012.03 |
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那我們必須要能交代他的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].start |
5012.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].end |
5014.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].text |
演算過程跟理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].start |
5014.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].end |
5017.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].text |
那如果任何在我國落地的AI應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].start |
5017.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].end |
5019.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].text |
沒辦法滿足這樣的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].start |
5019.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].end |
5022.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].text |
那這樣如果這樣產生爭議的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].start |
5022.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].end |
5025.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].text |
那怎麼可能會導致要去打官司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].start |
5025.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].end |
5027.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].text |
這會勢必會引起很大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].start |
5027.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].end |
5029.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].text |
所以談到透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].start |
5029.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].end |
5031.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].text |
我覺得我們不只需要這個演算法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].start |
5031.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].end |
5033.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].text |
跟決策過程的透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].start |
5033.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].end |
5036.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].text |
我覺得也需要資料的透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].start |
5036.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].end |
5039.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].text |
甚至說是事後的清楚標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].start |
5039.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].end |
5043.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].text |
那前陣子本來有向國安局提出一些書面質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].start |
5043.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].end |
5046.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].text |
那詢問國安局是否具備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].start |
5046.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].end |
5049.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].text |
以AI對抗AI的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].start |
5049.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].end |
5051.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].text |
那針對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].start |
5051.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].end |
5054.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].text |
這個現在快速傳播這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].start |
5054.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].end |
5056.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].text |
惡意的這個所謂的深圍內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].start |
5056.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].end |
5058.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].text |
要如何的緊急處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].start |
5058.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].end |
5061.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].text |
那國安局是回覆北習說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].start |
5061.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].end |
5065.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].text |
國安局他會研究導入AI代理人的技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].start |
5065.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].end |
5067.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].text |
來強化偵測 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].start |
5067.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].end |
5071.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].text |
辨識AI生成內容及帳號群控的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].start |
5071.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].end |
5073.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].text |
那另外他也或他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].start |
5073.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].end |
5075.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].text |
國安局說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].start |
5075.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].end |
5078.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].text |
他也或許可以借鑒歐盟的法治 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].start |
5078.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].end |
5080.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].text |
那強化這個相關的法源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].start |
5080.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].end |
5082.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].text |
來促使這個社群平台業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].start |
5082.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].end |
5084.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].text |
能善盡企業的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].start |
5084.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].end |
5086.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].text |
那依法來標註錯假訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].start |
5086.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].end |
5090.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].text |
那審查這個不實的這個下架不實的影音 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].start |
5090.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].end |
5093.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].text |
那本席看來這個重點在於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].start |
5093.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].end |
5095.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].text |
國家安全的守護 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
5095.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].end |
5098.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
搭配我國這個AI基本法的透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].start |
5098.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].end |
5100.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].text |
和解釋性的這個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].start |
5100.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].end |
5101.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].text |
我就應該要有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].start |
5101.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].end |
5104.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].text |
來針對這個令人頭痛的這個AI生成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].start |
5104.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].end |
5106.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].text |
錯假訊息來進行處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].start |
5106.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].end |
5109.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].text |
比如說這個強制標註 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].start |
5109.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].end |
5113.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].text |
就是要求他生成這個解釋他的生成過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].start |
5113.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].end |
5115.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].text |
那後端喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].start |
5115.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].end |
5117.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].text |
就當然來審查下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].start |
5117.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].end |
5118.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].text |
就是審查下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].start |
5118.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].end |
5120.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].text |
那配合AI基本法第五條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].start |
5120.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].end |
5122.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].text |
政府依避免人工智慧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].start |
5122.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].end |
5126.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].text |
支應用有破壞國家安全等等的情勢喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].start |
5126.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].end |
5128.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].text |
那所以請教侯次長就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].start |
5128.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].end |
5132.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].text |
台灣面對這種日益嚴峻的這種資訊戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].start |
5132.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].end |
5136.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].text |
那速發部怎麼樣跟國安單位來配合喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].start |
5136.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].end |
5138.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].text |
那來研擬這個相關的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].start |
5138.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].end |
5140.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].text |
來對抗這個不利 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].start |
5140.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].end |
5142.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].text |
與我們台灣的這個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].start |
5142.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].end |
5144.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].text |
他們的錯假訊息的散佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].start |
5144.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].end |
5146.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].start |
5146.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].end |
5149.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].text |
我們就這個AI生成內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].start |
5149.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].end |
5152.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].text |
錯假訊息還有標示這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].start |
5152.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].end |
5154.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].text |
目前由部長呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].start |
5154.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].end |
5156.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].text |
他親自處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].start |
5156.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].end |
5161.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].text |
那並和各個這個主要的這個大型平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].start |
5161.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].end |
5165.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].text |
還有生成式AI的主要的提供服務商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].start |
5165.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].end |
5167.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].text |
去做討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].start |
5167.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].end |
5170.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].text |
那也已經召開會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].start |
5170.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].end |
5173.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].text |
那我們現在得到的這個反饋 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].start |
5173.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].end |
5175.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].text |
就我所知各個平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].start |
5175.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].end |
5179.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].text |
他們其實都願意往這個主動標示的這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].start |
5179.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].end |
5181.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].text |
去做推進 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].start |
5181.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].end |
5182.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].text |
是好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].start |
5182.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].end |
5185.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].text |
因為國家安全確實是非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].start |
5185.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].end |
5189.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].text |
所以這個部分再請這個各單位多加努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].start |
5189.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].end |
5190.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].start |
5191.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].end |
5193.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].text |
謝謝林一錦委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].start |
5193.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].end |
5195.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].text |
請官員回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].start |
5196.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].end |
5199.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].text |
接下來有請郭玉琴委員詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].start |
5204.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].end |
5206.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].text |
好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].start |
5206.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].end |
5210.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].text |
然後有請這個國法會陳副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].start |
5210.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
5213.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].text |
然後還有眾議院的彭副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].start |
5213.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].end |
5215.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].text |
還有出發部的侯次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].start |
5215.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].end |
5216.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].start |
5216.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].end |
5218.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].text |
請機關代表到備訓台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].start |
5218.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].end |
5219.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].start |
5220.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].end |
5222.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].text |
好三位早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].start |
5222.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].end |
5224.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].text |
我想這個問題應該是跨部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].start |
5224.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].end |
5226.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].text |
所以把你們三個先叫上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].start |
5226.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].end |
5227.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].text |
好不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].start |
5227.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].end |
5229.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].text |
那我想今天要談是個三個主題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].start |
5229.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].end |
5231.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].text |
核心重點就在問一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].start |
5231.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].end |
5236.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
就是台灣的AI到底有沒有一套真正的國家的戰略 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].start |
5236.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].end |
5238.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
那我為什麼要這麼說呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].start |
5238.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].end |
5241.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].text |
我想第一部分AI其實不是三塊的拼圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].start |
5241.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
5245.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
那剛剛也提到它應該是一個所謂的系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].start |
5245.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
5248.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
那目前其實台灣的AI發展大致分為三塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].start |
5248.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].end |
5250.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
那我來敘述一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
5250.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
5252.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
不曉得對不對三位可以指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
5252.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
5256.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
那我想國科會是做科研、模型跟學門 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
5256.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].end |
5260.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
然後再來中研院我們做的是學術的標準還有倫理的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
5260.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
5263.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
那術發部的部分我們是做應用資料跟治理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
5263.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
5265.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
我想這個應該沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
5265.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
5266.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
這個三個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
5266.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
5269.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
那看起來這個分工其實是很清楚啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
5269.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
5273.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
但是其實我想要問的是我們擔心就是各做各的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
5273.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
5274.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
那沒有整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
5274.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
5276.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
那我舉幾個比較實際的一個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
5276.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
5278.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
我想學門其實是傳統的分科 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
5278.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
5281.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
但是AI其實剛剛一級委員也特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
5281.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
5283.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
它所謂的是跨領域的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
5283.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
5285.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
那另外在倫理的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
5285.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
5288.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
目前大部分我們都是用指引的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
5288.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
5291.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
但並沒有真正的所謂的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].start |
5291.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].end |
5294.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].text |
那AI已經進入到了這個政府跟產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].start |
5294.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].end |
5299.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].text |
但是在透明的機制上可能還沒有辦法完全的補足 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].start |
5299.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].end |
5301.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
那沒有辦法完全跟上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].start |
5301.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
5302.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
那從研究一直到應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
5302.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
5304.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
這中間銜接的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].start |
5304.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
5308.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
目前為止大家感覺好像還不是那麼的清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
5308.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].end |
5310.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
那我首先想請教的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].start |
5310.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
5314.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
目前有沒有一個所謂的跨部會的統整的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].start |
5314.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
5315.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
然後再來就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
5315.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
5318.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
到底是誰來做最後的決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].start |
5318.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].end |
5321.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].text |
這個權責我們大致上是怎麼樣分的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].start |
5321.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].end |
5322.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].text |
好請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
5324.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
5326.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
5326.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
5329.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
目前行政院我們有一個叫做三政委平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
5329.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
5330.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
我們叫做法制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
5331.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
5333.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].text |
名詞我就不是記得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
5333.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
5336.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].text |
但是是由國發會主委 國客會主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
5336.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
5338.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
還有法制政委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
5338.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
5341.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
三個政委是共同主持的一個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
5341.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
5343.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].text |
會去做一個跨部會的協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].start |
5343.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].end |
5345.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].text |
所以它只是一個會議而已嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].start |
5347.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
5349.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
它是一個協商平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
5349.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
5352.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
最後的決策都會是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].start |
5352.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
5354.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
最後的決策還是回到行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
5354.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
5358.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
應該是由行政院這邊來做最後決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
5358.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
5360.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
那我再問一個更關鍵的問題好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
5360.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
5363.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].text |
那我想這個AI已經進入所謂的高風險的一個領域 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].start |
5363.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
5367.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].text |
比方說像是公共治理 醫療 法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
5367.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
5370.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
還有現在所謂的這個倫理的一個規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
5370.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
5373.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
那我想還停留在所謂的學界的自律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
5373.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
5377.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
那問題是將來這個會不會讓它制度化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
5377.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
5380.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
我比方說像是分級的一些制度的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
5380.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].end |
5383.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
或者是強制的風險的一個評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
5383.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
5385.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
那政府在使用AI的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
5385.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].end |
5387.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
我們需不需要隨時向民眾來做揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
5387.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
5389.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
那目前有沒有一個比較明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
5389.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
5391.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
或者是一個進程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
5391.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].end |
5393.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
還有規劃的這個整個所有的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
5393.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
5396.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
就是行程大概是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
5396.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].end |
5398.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
是 跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].start |
5398.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
5402.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
就這個各個部會主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
5402.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
5405.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
去對產業做的這個規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
5405.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
5408.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
我們就是會透過風險分類框架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].start |
5408.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].end |
5410.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
去協助各部會做盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
5410.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
5412.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
那在這個政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].start |
5413.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
5415.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
機關 但沒有強制對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].start |
5415.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].end |
5417.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].text |
這個部分是目前沒有強制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].start |
5418.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].end |
5420.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].text |
應該說我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].start |
5420.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].end |
5421.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].text |
只是一個指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].start |
5421.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].end |
5422.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].text |
對 是指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].start |
5422.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].end |
5425.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].text |
但是各個部會都積極在配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].start |
5425.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].end |
5428.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].text |
我們都在非常這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].start |
5428.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].end |
5431.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].text |
頻繁的在溝通跟協作的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].start |
5431.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].end |
5434.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].text |
那有一個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].start |
5434.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].end |
5439.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].text |
基本法裡面設定的時間點是這個兩年嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].start |
5439.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].end |
5441.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].text |
那但是有一些比較重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].start |
5441.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].end |
5444.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].text |
就是說風險比較明確的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].start |
5444.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].end |
5447.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].text |
我想會在比較快的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].start |
5447.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].end |
5451.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].text |
時間底下會有一個比較早的這個決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].start |
5451.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].end |
5454.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].text |
就是有一些部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].start |
5454.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].end |
5456.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].text |
他們可能會比較早完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].start |
5456.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].end |
5458.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].text |
這個整個法規的修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].start |
5458.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].end |
5461.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].text |
那另外在政府機關的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].start |
5461.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].end |
5464.16 |
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處發部的這個數位政府司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].start |
5464.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1810].text |
協助政府機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].start |
5466.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].end |
5468.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].text |
去做這個內控的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].start |
5468.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].end |
5470.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].text |
那個這個我們也在積極進行當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].start |
5470.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].end |
5472.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].text |
那應該是法規底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].start |
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法規底下也是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1815].end |
5474.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].text |
基本法也是要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].start |
5474.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].end |
5477.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].text |
附帶決議是要求六個月內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].start |
5477.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].end |
5479.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].text |
六個月內 對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].start |
5479.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].end |
5481.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].text |
好 那再來接下來第二個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].start |
5481.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].end |
5483.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].text |
我想要問的是這個主權AI的核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].start |
5483.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].end |
5485.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].text |
就是剛剛其實有幾位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].start |
5485.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].end |
5487.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].text |
有特別提到就是所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].start |
5487.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].end |
5491.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].text |
語料跟這個資料的主權主導權這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].start |
5491.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].end |
5492.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].text |
那我想呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].start |
5492.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].end |
5493.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].text |
談到這個台的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].start |
5493.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].end |
5496.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].text |
我從2024年其實一直在追啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].start |
5496.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].end |
5498.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].text |
那我一直在強調的一句話就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].start |
5498.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].end |
5500.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].text |
主權AI它不只是模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].start |
5500.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].end |
5503.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].text |
它其實也是包含資料算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].start |
5503.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].end |
5505.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].text |
還有長期的維運 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].start |
5505.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].end |
5508.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].text |
那現在其實我們面對一個比較現實的一個狀況是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].start |
5508.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].end |
5514.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].text |
我們看到這個台灣的合法的語料大概是100GB |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].start |
5514.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].end |
5518.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].text |
那另外呢在日本呢其實大概是25pp |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].start |
5518.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].end |
5520.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].text |
那全球的中文的語料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].start |
5520.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].end |
5522.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].text |
90%是來自於中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].start |
5522.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].end |
5524.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].text |
那換句話來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].start |
5524.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].end |
5526.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].text |
我們在用AI |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].start |
5526.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].end |
5529.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].text |
可是資料的主權居然不在自己的手上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].start |
5529.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].end |
5532.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].text |
我想這個部分呢大家都會有一些隱憂啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].start |
5532.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].end |
5534.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].text |
那我想這個問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].start |
5534.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].end |
5538.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].text |
不管是語料、模型、應用還是分三邊在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].start |
5538.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].end |
5540.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].text |
語料是書發鋪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].start |
5540.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].end |
5542.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].text |
那內容的部分應該是中研院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].start |
5542.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].end |
5543.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].start |
5543.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].end |
5545.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].text |
那模型的部分是國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].start |
5545.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].end |
5546.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].text |
好 又來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].start |
5546.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].end |
5548.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].text |
這個三個感覺都分工啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].start |
5548.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].end |
5549.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].text |
都很細啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].start |
5549.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].end |
5551.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].text |
但問題是我們現在在講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].start |
5551.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].end |
5556.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].text |
中間會不會缺少一條所謂的整體的戰略的主軸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].start |
5556.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].end |
5558.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].text |
那這個部分請問誰來回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].start |
5558.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].end |
5562.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].text |
目前我們到底有沒有主權AI的整體的戰略的整合的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].start |
5562.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].end |
5565.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].text |
然後再來我們又是怎麼樣三個部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].start |
5565.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].end |
5567.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].text |
是怎麼樣來做分工協作的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].start |
5567.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].end |
5568.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].start |
5568.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].end |
5569.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].text |
跟我來回報其實這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].start |
5569.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].end |
5571.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].text |
雖然是分三個單位在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].start |
5571.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].end |
5574.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].text |
其實我們是一起在努力啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].start |
5574.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].end |
5578.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].text |
所以模型這一塊雖然是國科會在主導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].start |
5578.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].end |
5582.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].text |
但是其實我們也是跟中研院合作在做開發跟更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].start |
5582.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].end |
5583.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].start |
5583.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].end |
5585.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].text |
那既然是三個部會都有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].start |
5585.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].end |
5586.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].text |
那請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].start |
5586.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].end |
5589.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].text |
我們這個具體的一些羽料的建設的一個目標啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].start |
5589.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].end |
5591.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].text |
我要問一下這個目標了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].start |
5591.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].end |
5592.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].text |
我們要做到多少量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].start |
5592.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].end |
5593.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].text |
我們要幾年完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].start |
5593.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].end |
5597.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].text |
然後再來我們能不能夠支撐下一代的這個模型的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].start |
5597.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].end |
5599.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].text |
這個誰可以回答我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].start |
5603.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].end |
5604.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].start |
5604.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].end |
5608.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].text |
這個羽料的部分我們在法規上有非常大的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].start |
5608.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].end |
5612.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].text |
我想這個委員也應該清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].start |
5612.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].end |
5616.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].text |
因為台灣的駐座權法的這個規定還有合理使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].start |
5616.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].end |
5618.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].text |
我們有沒有一個目標啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].start |
5618.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].end |
5624.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].text |
我們在這個數位部現在在朝逆這個資料創新發展利用條例底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].start |
5624.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].end |
5627.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].text |
希望有一些能夠有一些突破 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].start |
5627.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].end |
5629.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].text |
那我們現在也在積極溝通當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].start |
5629.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].end |
5632.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].text |
那另外就是說我們目前能做的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].start |
5632.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].end |
5636.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].text |
透過羽料庫的建立設計一定的授權機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].start |
5636.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].end |
5639.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].text |
那首先要請各部會來提供羽料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].start |
5639.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].end |
5645.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].text |
那另外今年開始我們也邀請民間廠商能夠依據這個授權機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].start |
5645.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].end |
5648.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].text |
來把他們的羽料放進這個主權羽料庫裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].start |
5648.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].end |
5649.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].start |
5649.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].end |
5650.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].text |
那當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].start |
5651.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].end |
5655.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].text |
希望能夠持續推進如果在法規上面有更大的突破 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].start |
5655.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].end |
5660.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].text |
有沒有預計什麼時程可以完成或者是完成多少的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].start |
5660.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].end |
5665.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].text |
那另外剛剛有提到所謂的羽料的部分其實包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].start |
5665.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].end |
5668.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].text |
我們現在講羽料大部分是所謂的這個科普跟學科啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].start |
5668.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].end |
5669.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].text |
科普跟學科 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].start |
5669.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].end |
5676.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].text |
但是問題是我們有很大很重要的一個關鍵是產業資料跟實務上的一個資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].start |
5676.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].end |
5680.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].text |
我們怎麼樣讓這個部分也能夠進入到所謂的AI的訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].start |
5680.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].end |
5687.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].text |
這些制度或者有一些誘因能夠來吸引所謂的這個這樣子的一個方向啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].start |
5687.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].end |
5690.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].text |
是跟委員報告就是有關於這個羽料庫呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].start |
5690.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].end |
5694.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].text |
速發布在去年年底的時候12月24號之後公布上線 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].start |
5694.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].end |
5697.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].text |
那目前的羽料量是1.2billion tokens |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].start |
5697.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].end |
5702.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].text |
那當然這我們是羽料庫的這個增級我們是先從中央政府開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].start |
5702.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].end |
5706.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].text |
那在今年的年初的時候我們就朝地方政府邁進 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].start |
5706.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].end |
5709.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].text |
所以會有很多這個在地的羽料一起進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].start |
5709.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].end |
5713.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].text |
那我們在今年下半年會針對這個民間的這個羽料開始進行增級 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].start |
5713.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].end |
5716.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].text |
所以我們是有系統有步驟的方式來擴大我們的羽料量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].start |
5716.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].end |
5718.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].text |
那我覺得這個羽料量是沒有止境的一天了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].start |
5718.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].end |
5720.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].text |
我們會努力的不斷的把這個羽料庫擴張 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].start |
5720.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].end |
5721.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].text |
那有沒有定期的一個盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].start |
5721.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].end |
5724.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].text |
那這個盤點的一些資訊是不是可以公開可以提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].start |
5724.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].end |
5728.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].text |
然後再來有沒有變成一個所謂的這個成效評估的一個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].start |
5728.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].end |
5733.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].text |
就是它變成一個可以被一直不斷的被複製一直不斷的被修正這樣子的一個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].start |
5733.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].end |
5734.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].text |
對委員的建議非常的好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].start |
5734.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].end |
5736.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].text |
就是說我們在中央跟地方政府這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].start |
5736.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].end |
5739.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].text |
我們都有開工作坊請他們來進行定期的盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].start |
5739.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].end |
5742.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].text |
那我們在年底的時候呢我會有一個評獎的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].start |
5742.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].end |
5743.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].text |
大概是多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].start |
5743.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].end |
5746.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].text |
就是大概就是說我們大概每兩三個月就請他們盤一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].start |
5746.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].end |
5751.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].text |
那盤一次我們會有協助的方式把他們的請他們把資料放到這個羽料庫上面來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].start |
5751.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].end |
5754.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].text |
那我們在年底的時候呢我會有個評獎的一個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].start |
5754.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].end |
5758.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].text |
看看中央跟地方政府還有這個民間團體他們這個努力的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].start |
5758.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].end |
5759.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].text |
所以有一些優因就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].start |
5759.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].end |
5761.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].text |
對會有個頒獎的一個機制這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].start |
5761.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].end |
5764.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].text |
好如果有一些比較具體的一些計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].start |
5764.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].end |
5767.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].text |
這些計畫就像您剛剛所說的這些內容其實是很豐富的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].start |
5767.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].end |
5770.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].text |
那這些具體的計畫可以再提供給我辦公室嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].start |
5770.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].end |
5773.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].text |
可以我們會整理一份資料給委員辦公室參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].start |
5773.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].end |
5774.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].start |
5774.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].end |
5775.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].text |
好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].start |
5776.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].end |
5780.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
好謝謝郭一群委員的質詢請官員回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
5780.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].end |
5784.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].text |
接下來有請陳秀寶委員進行詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
5792.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
5796.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
謝謝主席我們這邊先請國科會陳副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
5796.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
5800.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].text |
好請國科會陳副主委上背訓台謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
5805.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
5806.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
委員早 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
5806.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
5815.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
副主委好我們先來關心一下有關於台師大體操教練涉及這個霸凌這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
5815.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
5820.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
那昨天台師大已經做出停聘兩年的這個處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
5820.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
5824.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
那目前會將這個處分先送到教育部來審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
5824.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
5828.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
那真的這個部分在這邊想請教國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
5828.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].end |
5830.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].text |
目前有沒有收到學校的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
5835.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
5836.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
5836.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
5837.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
有嗎有收到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
5837.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
5838.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
包圍目前還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
5838.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
5839.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].text |
還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
5839.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
5847.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
那我想請教未來學校通報之後你們會不會有相關停止補助或是撤換主持人這些處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
5848.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].end |
5852.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
公務員回報我們會依據這個我們的作業要點去做處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
5852.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
5854.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
但是你作業要點裡面有規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
5855.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
5856.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
5856.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
5858.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
我請同仁慢慢回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
5858.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
5862.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
我先把這部分先跟您討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
5862.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
5870.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
國科會這邊給本席的資料就是說這位涉及霸凌的案子的這個體操教練現在有兩個案子在執行中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
5870.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
5874.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
就是國科會的計畫一件事到明年一件事到今年底 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
5874.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
5877.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
那目前這個計畫還在執行中嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
5879.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
5881.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
5880.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
5882.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
目前還在執行中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
5882.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
5886.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
那國科會會不會在懲處確認之後有進一步的處理後續處理是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
5886.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
5890.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
你是說會根據要點來做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
5890.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
5894.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
但是呢針對我們國科會的這個補助計畫要點我們來討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
5894.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
5898.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
目前要點裡面只有針對違反性平相關法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
5898.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
5901.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
那經主管機關查證屬實之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
5901.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
5908.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
國科會呢會召開專案小組審議是否暫停補助或是撤換計畫主持人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
5908.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
5914.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
但是針對現在校園裡面比較會有狀況的除了性平之外就是霸凌事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
5914.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
5920.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
要點裡面並沒有針對霸凌事件有相關召開專案小組審議的這個機制喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
5920.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
5926.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
那所以剛才您說要針對這個案子我們會按照 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
5926.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
5929.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
要點來處置那你們現在做法是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
5929.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
5935.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
報告委員就是目前依據我們要點裡面有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
5935.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
5940.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
如果經過學校或者是教育部這邊確定相關的處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
5940.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
5944.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
那計畫主持人他沒有辦法因故無法執行的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
5944.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
5948.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
那執行機構必須要辦理計畫終止或更換主持人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
5948.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
5952.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
所以要點裡面並不是說去規範說他是違反了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
5952.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
5957.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
只是說他因為這些處置而沒有辦法執行的時候你們就會更換 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
5957.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
5959.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
5960.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
5968.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
在這邊其實本席是要建議國科會要參照教師法第14條及第15條的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
5968.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
5976.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
針對需要因為對教師體罰學生或是霸凌的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
5976.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
5980.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
我們應該把相關的規範放進我們的要點裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
5980.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
5983.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
因為如果經過主管機關查證屬實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
5983.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
5987.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
那其實在國科會的部分這個部分不管是事件成立審議的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].start |
5987.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
5989.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
國科會是不介入的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
5989.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
5996.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
但是你要針對查證屬實的案件事案的教師我們做出計畫終止或是策劃的決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].start |
5996.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
6001.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
所以我們是不是可以把霸凌處置的機制放進去要點裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
6001.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
6004.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
我們來做到落實霸凌零容忍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
6004.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
6005.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
這個可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
6006.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
6008.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
我們回去會再做研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
6008.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
6012.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
因為現在在針對校園裡面比較大家非常重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
6012.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
6017.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
而且現在就是比較多比較嚴重的就是性平跟霸凌的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
6017.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
6023.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
所以會建議說我們國科會要把相關的規範放進去你們的要點裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
6023.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
6024.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
這樣會更明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
6024.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
6031.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
而不是說他如果經過學校的或者是相關會議的查證屬實之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].start |
6031.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
6035.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
你們是針對他對他的懲處結果來做這樣的處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].start |
6035.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
6040.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
但是其實他如果我們把這個相關的規範放進去的話就是很明確了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].start |
6040.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
6042.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
這個你們再研議一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
6042.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
6047.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
這邊我也要提醒就是說針對違法要點章處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
6047.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
6052.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
不管是策劃或者是一定期間不可再申請的這些主持人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
6052.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
6057.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
我們應該要有相關的資料庫把這些資料建置起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
6057.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
6062.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
到申請的人或是有其他子計畫需要尋找主持人的計畫的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
6062.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
6064.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
有可以依循的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
6064.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
6067.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
那也避免有受管制的這個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
6067.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
6068.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
這個可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
6070.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
6073.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
報告我們前市議已經有類似的資料庫在做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].start |
6073.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].end |
6074.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].text |
是已經有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].start |
6074.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].end |
6078.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].text |
那好這個部分就是你們已經有先做這樣子的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].start |
6078.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].end |
6079.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].start |
6079.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].end |
6082.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].text |
那接下來我先再請速發部侯次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].start |
6090.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].end |
6091.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].text |
次長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].start |
6091.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].end |
6093.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].text |
我想請教次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].start |
6093.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].end |
6094.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].start |
6094.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].end |
6097.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].text |
AI基本法在去年底已經三讀通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].start |
6097.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].end |
6102.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].text |
那市面上開始就有很多販售越來越多的這些號稱具有AI功能的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].start |
6102.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].end |
6108.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].text |
那本席想針對這些AI產品有相關的問題來請請教來釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].start |
6108.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].end |
6111.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].text |
市面上有許多號稱有AI功能的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].start |
6111.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].end |
6114.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].text |
像我們現在那個通影片上面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].start |
6114.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].end |
6117.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].text |
家電產品很多就是會標榜他是AI |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
6117.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].end |
6121.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].text |
那次長您這邊看一下說本席投影片上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
6121.68 |
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這些目前上說是存在就是販售的AI產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].start |
6124.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].end |
6125.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].text |
你們覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
6125.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].end |
6129.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].text |
有哪些是真正有運用到AI的科技 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2009].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2009].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2010].end |
6137.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].text |
委員提出的這個問題其實非常非常的這個重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].start |
6137.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].end |
6145.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].text |
那其實沒有辦法從這個行銷廣告上面他說是AI我們就直接認定是AI |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].start |
6145.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].end |
6146.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].start |
6146.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].end |
6147.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
6147.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].end |
6153.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].text |
我想必須要透過這個人工智慧基本法裡面這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
6153.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].end |
6154.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].text |
的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2016].end |
6158.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].text |
那我們在人工智慧基本法裡面的定義應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].start |
6158.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].end |
6175.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].text |
然後透過機器學習演算法針對明確或隱含目標實現預測內容建議或決策影響實體或虛擬環境的產出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].start |
6175.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].end |
6180.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].text |
市長您的回答就是這個AI基本法的規範AI的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2019].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2019].text |
他就是要包含自主運行能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2020].end |
6185.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].text |
那機器可以學習跟演算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].start |
6185.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].end |
6190.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].text |
那也可以產出影響實體或虛擬環境之預測內容建議或決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
6190.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].end |
6191.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
6191.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
6193.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
如同剛才我們所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
6193.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
6195.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].text |
就觀看相片圖片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
6195.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].end |
6198.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
或是說他上面寫了AI其實我們很難去判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
6198.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].end |
6199.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].text |
他是不是真的有這些功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].start |
6199.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].end |
6202.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].text |
但其實這些產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].start |
6202.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].end |
6203.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].text |
他不用寫AI |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
6203.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
6206.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
他本身就是一個很好用的家電了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
6206.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
6209.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].text |
那你灌上AI其實對消費者來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
6209.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].end |
6210.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].text |
他會覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
6210.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].end |
6211.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].text |
他沒有辦法理解說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
6211.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].end |
6213.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].text |
他本來就是很基本功能的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
6213.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].end |
6215.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
像滑鼠還是吹風機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
6215.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].end |
6218.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].text |
他灌上AI之後對他的使用性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].start |
6218.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].end |
6220.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].text |
實用性或者影響在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].start |
6220.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].end |
6221.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].text |
那對民眾來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].start |
6221.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].end |
6225.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
他感受到最大的差別是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
6225.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].end |
6228.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].text |
只要灌上AI兩個字好像價格就會提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].start |
6228.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].end |
6231.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].text |
這很明顯的會讓我們的消費者權益受損 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].start |
6231.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].end |
6232.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].text |
他會多花冤枉錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].start |
6232.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].end |
6234.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].text |
那為什麼在這邊提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].start |
6234.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].end |
6235.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].start |
6235.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].end |
6240.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].text |
他廠商他可以任意的在他的產品上面放AI這兩個字嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].start |
6240.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].end |
6242.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].text |
字幕 by 沛隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].start |
6243.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].end |
6245.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].text |
就這個部分來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].start |
6245.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].end |
6247.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].text |
我不太確定這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].start |
6247.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].end |
6248.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].start |
6249.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].end |
6253.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].text |
是不是有涉及這個不實廣告的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].start |
6253.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].end |
6255.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].text |
市長這邊要跟您討論就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].start |
6255.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].end |
6257.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].text |
我們剛才有提到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].start |
6257.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].end |
6259.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].text |
就是AI基本法裡面有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].start |
6259.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].end |
6261.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].text |
AI的定義有三個要點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].start |
6263.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].end |
6267.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].text |
這些宣稱有相關的AI科技的相關產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].start |
6267.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].end |
6269.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].text |
是不是一定要符合這些要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].start |
6269.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].end |
6271.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].text |
他才能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].start |
6270.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].end |
6272.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].text |
說他是AI的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].start |
6276.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].end |
6280.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].text |
就是說他如果不符合我們剛才講的自主運行能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].start |
6280.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].end |
6284.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].text |
或是可以學習演算相關的這樣的基本這些功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].start |
6284.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].end |
6287.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].text |
他是不是應該不能標榜他是AI的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].start |
6288.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].end |
6290.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].text |
委員就我目前所知 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].start |
6290.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].end |
6292.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].text |
似乎沒有法律明確這樣子強制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].start |
6294.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].end |
6297.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].text |
好那我現在要給你們的建議就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].start |
6297.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].end |
6300.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].text |
近來我們AI基本法已經三讀通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].start |
6300.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].end |
6302.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].text |
對於AI的定義也已經很明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].start |
6302.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].end |
6304.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].text |
就是我們剛講的那三個要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].start |
6304.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].end |
6310.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].text |
那希望說我們相關的部會是不是可以協助這些相關AI科技的應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].start |
6310.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].end |
6314.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].text |
那是不是有民眾建議說他可以像節能標章一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].start |
6314.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].end |
6319.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].text |
是有申請有認證來保障消費者權益的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].start |
6319.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].end |
6320.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].text |
市長您覺得呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].start |
6321.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].end |
6326.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].text |
這部分我想會跟各個主管機關去做討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].start |
6326.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].end |
6328.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].text |
那也跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].start |
6328.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].end |
6331.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].text |
因為人工智慧基本法第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].start |
6331.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].end |
6333.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].text |
雖然這樣子定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].start |
6333.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].end |
6338.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].text |
但是因為這個技術一直在發展當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].start |
6338.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].end |
6342.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].text |
那而且目前變化非常非常的快 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].start |
6342.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].end |
6344.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].text |
那在不同的領域裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].start |
6344.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].end |
6349.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].text |
到底怎麼去定義他已經有自主運行能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].start |
6349.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].end |
6355.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].text |
我覺得在各個領域裡面對技術的評估可能會不太一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].start |
6355.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].end |
6360.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].text |
那是不是能夠透過這個標章的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].start |
6360.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].end |
6364.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].text |
我想我們會去做討論和研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].start |
6364.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].end |
6368.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].text |
我想我本席在這邊提出這樣子的一個疑問的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].start |
6368.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].end |
6370.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].text |
市長你本身也會覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].start |
6370.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].end |
6373.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].text |
好像他說他是AI |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].start |
6373.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].end |
6374.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].text |
那到底是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].start |
6374.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].end |
6379.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].text |
還是只是他只是具備基本的這樣產品必須具備的功能而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].start |
6379.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].end |
6382.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].text |
但他只是因為就有登上這個熱潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].start |
6382.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].end |
6384.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].text |
他就是放上AI兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].start |
6384.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].end |
6386.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].text |
當然讓消費者他也無所適從 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].start |
6386.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].end |
6388.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].text |
他也無法辨別 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].start |
6388.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].end |
6390.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].text |
然後因為這樣子他多花了錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].start |
6390.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].end |
6392.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].text |
所以當有這樣子的疑慮產生的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].start |
6392.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].end |
6394.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].text |
這邊提醒的是會希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].start |
6394.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].end |
6398.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].text |
我們跟國科會跟經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].start |
6398.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].end |
6400.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].text |
我們是共同來研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].start |
6400.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].end |
6402.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].text |
剛才有民眾建議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].start |
6402.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].end |
6407.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].text |
我們用一個標章或是說一個申請的認證來保護消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].start |
6407.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].end |
6411.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].text |
也讓這些相關的家電電器的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].start |
6411.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].end |
6412.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].text |
他們在生產的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].start |
6412.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].end |
6416.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].text |
他們因為是需要透過認證或申請或一個這樣的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].start |
6416.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].end |
6418.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].text |
他們在他們產品精益求精 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].start |
6418.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].end |
6422.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].text |
如果說想要讓民眾覺得說我的東西更好用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].start |
6422.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].end |
6424.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].text |
我想要有AI這樣的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].start |
6424.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].end |
6425.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].text |
他必須去研發 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].start |
6425.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].end |
6429.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].text |
而不是說輕易的把這樣子的稱為灌上去之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].start |
6429.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].end |
6431.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].text |
他就可以得到消費者的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].start |
6431.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].end |
6432.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].text |
您覺得呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].start |
6432.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].end |
6434.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].text |
謝謝委員的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].start |
6434.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].end |
6436.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].text |
我覺得這個方向 |
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6436.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].end |
6440.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].text |
我們會去跟各個部會在這個風險分類框架底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].start |
6440.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].end |
6442.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].text |
去做這個討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].start |
6442.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].end |
6447.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].text |
和這個所謂就是委員剛提出來的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].start |
6447.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].end |
6452.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].text |
不論是標章認證還是能量登錄這一種方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].start |
6452.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].end |
6457.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].text |
應該是在各個可能的就是因應措施裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].start |
6457.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].end |
6458.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].text |
必須要被考慮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].start |
6458.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].end |
6460.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].text |
好 那就麻煩市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].start |
6460.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].end |
6463.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].text |
您在跟國科會或經濟部你們有演繹出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].start |
6463.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].end |
6465.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].text |
有一個初步的結論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].start |
6465.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].end |
6467.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].text |
可以把你們的報告給我辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].start |
6467.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].end |
6468.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].text |
好的 謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].start |
6468.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].end |
6469.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].text |
以上謝謝 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].start |
6471.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].end |
6473.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].text |
謝謝陳秀寶委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].start |
6473.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].end |
6474.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].text |
請官員回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].start |
6474.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].end |
6478.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].text |
接下來有請陳培宇委員進行詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].start |
6484.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].end |
6486.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].start |
6487.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].end |
6489.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].text |
有請次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].start |
6489.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].end |
6491.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].text |
國科會副主委還有書發部次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].start |
6491.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].end |
6492.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].start |
6492.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].end |
6495.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].text |
好 請器官代表上備訓台 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].start |
6499.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].end |
6501.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].text |
好 副主委還有次長早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].start |
6501.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].end |
6503.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].text |
我想我還是要問一樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].start |
6503.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].end |
6506.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].text |
但是我們來更新一下你們目前最新的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].start |
6506.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].end |
6508.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].text |
第一個是關於AI十大建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].start |
6508.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].end |
6510.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].text |
在國發會裡面已經公佈了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].start |
6510.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].end |
6514.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].text |
114到117年十大建設推動方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].start |
6514.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].end |
6517.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].text |
那根據國發會的這個十大建設方案的指導裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].start |
6517.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].end |
6522.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].text |
第七點有提到主權AI還有算力建設的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].start |
6522.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].end |
6527.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].text |
我相信兩位學者專家你們雖然現在在公佈我們服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].start |
6527.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].end |
6529.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].text |
但是你們來自民間的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].start |
6529.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].end |
6533.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].text |
你們一定認同大家現在在說的算力及國力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].start |
6533.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].end |
6536.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].text |
但是我相信兩位應該也知道另外一個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].start |
6536.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].end |
6538.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].text |
可能這句話只講對了一半 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].start |
6538.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].end |
6543.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].text |
因為在最近一次4月多在總統府有一個關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].start |
6543.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].end |
6546.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].text |
跟民間學者這個頒獎的活動上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].start |
6546.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].end |
6551.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].text |
有非常多做開放資料的人直接跟賴總統建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].start |
6551.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].end |
6552.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].text |
他們說什麼呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].start |
6552.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].end |
6554.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].text |
我不確定兩位有沒有follow到這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].start |
6554.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].end |
6555.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].text |
另外一個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].start |
6555.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].end |
6558.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].text |
例如說有一個叫Open Fund的創辦人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].start |
6558.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].end |
6562.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].text |
他就說AI是日益強大的引擎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].start |
6562.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].end |
6566.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].text |
而資料則是驅動引擎運轉的石油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].start |
6566.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].end |
6569.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].text |
所以剛剛郭育勤委員也問到關於資料的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].start |
6569.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].end |
6573.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].text |
而另外一個在做開放資料的開放文化基金會裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].start |
6573.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].end |
6578.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].text |
他們也說了主權不該只是放在兩岸議題上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].start |
6578.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].end |
6581.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].text |
資料也是一種主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].start |
6581.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].end |
6585.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].text |
所以剛剛以前我們關於資料想的是文本思維 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].start |
6585.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].end |
6587.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].text |
現在在看的是資料思維 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].start |
6587.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].end |
6591.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].text |
第三個下一個階段不只是監督政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].start |
6591.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].end |
6594.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].text |
而是要邀請民間一起協作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].start |
6594.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].end |
6597.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].text |
所以我要回過頭來看AI十大建設裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].start |
6597.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].end |
6600.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].text |
其中有一個是國發會提醒大家的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].start |
6600.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].end |
6603.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].text |
要做政府及民間資料的釋出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].start |
6603.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].end |
6605.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].text |
我相信兩個應該都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].start |
6605.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].end |
6606.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].text |
你們兩個應該都非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].start |
6606.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].end |
6608.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].text |
可是我們要問喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].start |
6608.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].end |
6610.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].text |
我認為在民間資料的釋出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].start |
6610.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].end |
6613.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].text |
其實可能比公部門遇到的資料釋出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].start |
6613.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].end |
6615.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].text |
還要面臨更大的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].start |
6615.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].end |
6618.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].text |
對不對 我想要先請次長你來說說看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].start |
6618.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].end |
6620.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].text |
關於民間資料的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].start |
6620.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].end |
6624.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].text |
目前你們訴發部是如何看待現在可能遇到的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].start |
6624.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].end |
6627.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].text |
還有你們掌握了多少的進度跟可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].start |
6627.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].end |
6629.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].text |
是 跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].start |
6629.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].end |
6633.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].text |
委員剛剛提到的在總統府的那一個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].start |
6633.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].end |
6639.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].text |
其實是訴發部協助的IT matters的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].start |
6639.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].end |
6641.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].text |
Award的頒獎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].start |
6641.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].end |
6644.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].text |
我也在查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].start |
6644.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].end |
6648.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].text |
其實當場總統就只是我們根據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].start |
6648.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].end |
6652.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].text |
就是據剛剛您提到的發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].start |
6652.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].end |
6655.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].text |
必須要再去做追蹤和研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].start |
6655.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].end |
6658.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].text |
確實在民間資料的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].start |
6658.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].end |
6663.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].text |
我想有幾個比較現實上面的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].start |
6663.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].end |
6666.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].text |
第一個的問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].start |
6666.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].end |
6668.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].text |
諸多權拔底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].start |
6668.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].end |
6672.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].text |
到底就是算不算訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].start |
6672.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].end |
6675.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].text |
或是產出在什麼條件底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].start |
6675.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].end |
6676.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].text |
算是合理使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].start |
6676.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].end |
6680.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].text |
這件事情一直不明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].start |
6680.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].end |
6682.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].text |
跟國外的狀況比較的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].start |
6682.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].end |
6685.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].text |
台灣因為刑事責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].start |
6685.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].end |
6687.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].text |
被使用的比較多的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].start |
6687.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].end |
6691.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].text |
因此確實會有這個寒蟬效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].start |
6691.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].end |
6696.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].text |
就是訓練者會對於去利用訓練資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].start |
6696.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].end |
6699.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].text |
感到非常比較恐懼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].start |
6699.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].end |
6703.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].text |
這是一個我們看到現實上的障礙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].start |
6703.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].end |
6705.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].text |
但是當然也很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].start |
6705.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].end |
6707.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].text |
就是我們怎麼樣在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].start |
6711.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].end |
6715.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].text |
在保障這個內容權利人的方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].start |
6715.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].end |
6719.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].text |
我們必須要取得一個重要的平衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].start |
6719.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].end |
6723.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].text |
這中間有一些比較細緻的線 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].start |
6723.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].end |
6727.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].text |
還有內容的利用方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].start |
6727.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].end |
6729.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].text |
在什麼條件底下會不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].start |
6729.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].end |
6733.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].text |
這個我們都希望能夠有更明確的界定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].start |
6733.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].end |
6735.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].text |
在AIC實渣建設底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].start |
6735.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].end |
6738.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].text |
剛剛委員所提到的那個項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].start |
6738.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].end |
6740.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].text |
是由處發部這邊主責 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].start |
6740.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].end |
6743.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].text |
那也邀請這個智慧財產局 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].start |
6743.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].end |
6745.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].text |
去負責關於民間資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].start |
6745.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].end |
6747.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].text |
有著作權的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].start |
6747.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].end |
6749.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].text |
到底能不能被利用這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].start |
6749.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].end |
6752.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].text |
去做負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].start |
6752.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].end |
6754.18 |
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那這個部分就 |
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經濟部制裁局給我們的意見是說 |
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給我們的資訊是他們應該會在 |
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今年的5月的時候 |
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會有一個指引出來 |
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那我們希望透過這樣的指引 |
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能夠提供比較明確的利用的界線 |
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那處發部目前已經在做能做的 |
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是第一個就是 |
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與料庫透過這個授權的方式 |
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來明定這個授權資料的利用的方式 |
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那包括剛剛說的政府機關 |
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那民間的力量呢 |
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我們也已經召開工作方 |
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邀請一些可能參與的民間單位 |
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一起來提供 |
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那所以這兩個部分是我們已經持續在做的 |
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那我們也持續在盤點還有哪些可能釋出的餘料 |
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那也希望能夠提供一個在 |
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在我們提供的這個資料利用創新條例底下 |
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草擬中的這個條例底下 |
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我們也設計了新的資料分享的機制 |
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就是民間跟民間之間資料分享的機制 |
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那我們也跟歐盟那邊的這個資料空間 |
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這樣子的做法去做這個產業界 |
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之間的這個資料的共享 |
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希望能夠推動這樣的機制出來 |
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好我花了這麼多時間讓次長您說清楚 |
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就是我認為次長您在從民間轉換到公部門之後 |
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確實非常掌握狀況 |
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不論是從公部門政府端現在已經有的資料 |
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或者是民間的資料 |
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而且相關的法規您意識到有著作權法的問題 |
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我非常感謝次長您完全進入狀況 |
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這個是絕對要給您肯定 |
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但是從這個肯定我們往下看 |
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確實之前蘇發部長林一靖接受專訪的時候 |
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在去年的9月他也說 |
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我們確實要號召民間自願捐出內容 |
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打造台灣主權AI訓練的餘料庫 |
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這件事情才可以打包足夠多的資料 |
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百萬本的資料1TB的資料 |
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給國際科技巨頭可以使用台灣的資料 |
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降低資料使用的門檻 |
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回到所謂的雲端上的台灣的主權的這個議題上 |
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我認為現在確實如何透過制裁局的合作 |
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透過民間團體或是所有這些擁有內容的人 |
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他們如何願意就隱在這個所謂的數位國家內容的台灣隊好了 |
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他們如何願意就隱進來確實上一次在一樣在交友委員會 |
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我就直接請問了國科會的主委 |
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那主委也說他絕對支持 |
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而且他也絕對明白資料基礎建設的重要性 |
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但是如果我們光談授權 |
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它會是一個漫無止盡的道路 |
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而且如同你所說的 |
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6933.42 |
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6935.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].text |
資料授權的那個授權費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2268].end |
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現在沒有人知道怎麼算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].start |
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其實不是只有台灣 |
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全世界皆然 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].start |
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就像泰勒斯大家所熟悉的泰勒斯這兩天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2272].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2272].text |
還在主張他的身文權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].start |
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6952.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].text |
所以對我來說談授權非常沉重非常困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].start |
6952.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].end |
6955.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].text |
所以上一次國科會主委他的說法是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
6958.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].text |
但是民間擁有這些資料的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2276].end |
6961.42 |
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公司也好團體也好所有人也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].start |
6961.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
6964.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].text |
他們如何把資料變成來下一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2278].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2278].text |
把資料變成是所謂乾淨的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2279].end |
6970.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].text |
這件事情其實是一個大功臣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2280].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2280].text |
而且需要大筆的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].start |
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6975.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].text |
那有沒有可能在內容國家隊的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
6977.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].text |
成立這個內容國家隊前提之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
6981.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].text |
由國科會也好國發會也好數發部也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2284].end |
6983.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].text |
甚至協同文化部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
6983.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
6987.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].text |
我們開始把各式各樣擁有內容資料的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].start |
6987.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].end |
6991.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].text |
協助他們做資料的優化資料的清洗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
6991.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].end |
6993.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].text |
然後做出結構定位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
6993.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].end |
6996.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].text |
甚至做出幾適合機器人讀取的標籤 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].start |
6996.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
7000.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].text |
這是一個龐大的功臣需要龐大的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
7000.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].end |
7003.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].text |
需要龐大的政府資源的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].start |
7003.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2291].text |
所以我上一次問國科會主委他的說法是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].start |
7006.42 |
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7010.42 |
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他表示他願意會去想辦法來解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
7010.42 |
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7013.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].text |
我想問一下國科會目前在這個議題上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].start |
7013.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].end |
7016.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].text |
上一次我問完之後主委有沒有帶回去討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].start |
7016.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].end |
7018.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].text |
跟做進一步的規劃怎麼說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].start |
7018.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].end |
7021.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].text |
大家都以為資料只有平面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2297].end |
7023.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].text |
或者是文字性的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2298].end |
7026.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].text |
可是當我們去研究世界各國在取用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].start |
7026.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].end |
7029.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].text |
世界各國這些大語言模型在取用資料的時候 |
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| transcript.whisperx[2300].end |
7033.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].text |
從來都不是只有文字也不會只有照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].start |
7033.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].end |
7036.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].text |
我舉一個例子廣播聲音要不要用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].start |
7036.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].end |
7040.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].text |
當然要還有台灣的累積的自己累積的 |
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7040.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].end |
7043.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].text |
長年累積的藝術文化這些表演的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2304].end |
7045.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].text |
要不要取用絕對是要 |
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7048.42 |
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因為它有豐富的台灣文化背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].start |
7048.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].end |
7053.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].text |
台灣基礎的邏輯基本上跟世界各國是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].start |
7053.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].end |
7054.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].text |
那現場還有無視要委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
7054.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].end |
7057.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].text |
他也非常在意台灣的藝術跟文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].start |
7057.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
7059.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].text |
所有這些藝術文化的data |
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7059.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].end |
7065.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].text |
在未來如何在雲端上不要被其他國家的文化給稀釋掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].start |
7065.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
7069.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].text |
台灣專門的雲門五級這個是重要的國際團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2312].end |
7072.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
而這個國際團隊他所背上台灣的文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].start |
7072.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].end |
7075.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].text |
所以台灣文化所發展出的演出也好聲音也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].start |
7075.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].end |
7081.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].text |
所有的資料未來如何加入台灣國家隊獲得合理的對待 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].start |
7081.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].end |
7085.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].text |
然後把它變成是一個台灣內容國家隊的重要基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].start |
7085.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].end |
7089.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].text |
絕對我認為是所有教育文化委員會的委員會關心的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].start |
7089.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].end |
7091.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].text |
所以我要再次強調100萬本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].start |
7091.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].end |
7095.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].text |
只是我們用來計算方便的一個可溝通語言 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].start |
7095.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].end |
7098.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].text |
但是我相信兩位主管你們一定知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].start |
7098.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
7100.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].text |
我講的絕對不會只有平面資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].start |
7100.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].end |
7102.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].text |
所以我非常感謝上次國科會主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].start |
7102.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].end |
7105.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].text |
他立刻明白同時他立刻承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].start |
7105.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].end |
7107.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].text |
他會回去編輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].start |
7107.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].end |
7109.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].start |
7109.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].end |
7111.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].start |
7111.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].end |
7113.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].start |
7113.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].end |
7115.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].start |
7115.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].end |
7117.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].start |
7117.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].end |
7119.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].start |
7119.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].end |
7121.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].start |
7121.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].end |
7123.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].start |
7123.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].end |
7125.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].start |
7125.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].end |
7127.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
7127.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].end |
7129.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
7129.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].end |
7131.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].start |
7131.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].end |
7133.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].start |
7133.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].end |
7135.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
7135.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].end |
7137.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
7137.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].end |
7139.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
7139.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].end |
7141.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
7141.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].end |
7143.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].start |
7143.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].end |
7145.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].start |
7145.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].end |
7147.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].start |
7147.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].end |
7149.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].start |
7149.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].end |
7151.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
7151.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].end |
7153.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].start |
7153.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].end |
7155.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
他會去做一些訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].start |
7137.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].end |
7139.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].text |
請國科會副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].start |
7139.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].end |
7141.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].text |
還是規劃當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
7142.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].end |
7144.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].text |
好 沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].start |
7144.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].end |
7146.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
副主委 這樣好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].start |
7146.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].end |
7148.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].text |
我們辦公室會持續跟你們溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].start |
7148.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].end |
7150.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].text |
因為我們來看下一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].start |
7150.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].end |
7152.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].text |
我知道其實根據AI基本法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].start |
7152.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].end |
7154.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].text |
再下一張 根據AI基本法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].start |
7155.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].end |
7157.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].text |
國科會這邊必須要組成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].start |
7157.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].end |
7159.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].text |
人工智慧戰略特別委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].start |
7159.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].end |
7161.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].text |
那你們現在委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].start |
7161.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].end |
7163.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].text |
成立在即喔 我現在看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].start |
7163.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].end |
7165.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].text |
你們現在給我們辦公室的回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].start |
7165.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].end |
7167.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].text |
是說委員會的設置要點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].start |
7167.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].end |
7169.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].text |
還沒有完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].start |
7169.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].end |
7171.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].text |
那現在也都還不知道結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].start |
7171.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].end |
7173.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].text |
可是如果看你們現在給我們的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].start |
7173.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].end |
7175.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].text |
你們目前只有邀請人工智慧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].start |
7175.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].end |
7177.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].text |
相關的學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].start |
7177.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].end |
7179.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].text |
民間團體 產業代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].start |
7179.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].end |
7181.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].text |
可是我不知道你們有沒有把所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].start |
7181.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].end |
7183.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].text |
手上有內容的這些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].start |
7183.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].end |
7185.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].text |
各式各樣的人喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].start |
7185.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].end |
7187.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].text |
聲音 廣播 電視 電影 文字 照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].start |
7187.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].end |
7189.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].text |
這些人有沒有被你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].start |
7189.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].end |
7191.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].text |
視為重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].start |
7191.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].end |
7193.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].text |
委員會的成員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].start |
7193.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].end |
7195.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].text |
所謂這些手上有內容的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].start |
7195.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].end |
7197.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].text |
不管是各個工協會的代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].start |
7197.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].end |
7199.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].text |
或是重要團體的代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].start |
7199.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].end |
7201.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].text |
甚至你們是不是應該要召開 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].start |
7201.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].end |
7203.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].text |
關於內容產業的民間座談會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].start |
7203.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].end |
7205.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].text |
讓所有手上有內容的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].start |
7205.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].end |
7207.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].text |
這些人意識到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].start |
7207.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].end |
7209.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].text |
國家看到你們了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].start |
7209.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].end |
7211.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].text |
而且國家在建立AI十大基礎建設上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].start |
7211.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].end |
7213.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].text |
很需要各位的協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].start |
7213.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].end |
7215.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].text |
因為連賴總統都親自指示 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].start |
7215.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].end |
7217.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].text |
束髮布跟國科會了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].start |
7217.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].end |
7219.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].text |
你們目前關於跟內容產業的合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].start |
7219.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].end |
7221.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].text |
層面的規劃是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].start |
7222.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].end |
7224.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].text |
報告委員這邊我們應該會列入參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].start |
7224.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].end |
7226.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].text |
謝謝 好 會列入參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].start |
7226.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].end |
7228.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].text |
那我們辦公室再持續跟你們溝通 好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].start |
7228.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].end |
7230.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].text |
好 來 所以最後我想給的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].start |
7230.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].end |
7232.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].text |
第一個 我希望你們未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].start |
7232.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].end |
7234.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].text |
三年內 就預算的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].start |
7234.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].end |
7236.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].text |
就政策的部分如何協助所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].start |
7236.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].end |
7238.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].text |
內容產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].start |
7238.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].end |
7240.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].text |
資料轉換到AI可讀的格式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].start |
7240.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].end |
7242.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].text |
的這個邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].start |
7242.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].end |
7244.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].text |
工作邏輯 工作流程去想像 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].start |
7244.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].end |
7246.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].text |
如何在三到五年內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].start |
7246.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].end |
7248.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].text |
實現1TB |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].start |
7248.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].end |
7250.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].text |
餘料庫的這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].start |
7250.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].end |
7252.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].text |
跟國外的這些大於人模型公司合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].start |
7252.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].end |
7254.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].text |
讓雲端上的台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].start |
7254.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].end |
7256.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].text |
不會被消失 這件事情非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].start |
7256.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].end |
7258.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].text |
第二個 我也希望你們積極的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].start |
7258.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].end |
7260.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].text |
跟文化部也好或是經濟部制裁局 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].start |
7260.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].end |
7262.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].text |
甚至是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].start |
7262.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].end |
7264.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].text |
文策院手上所有內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].start |
7264.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].end |
7266.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].text |
的這些產業都必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].start |
7266.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].end |
7268.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].text |
有機會加入人工智慧戰略 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].start |
7268.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].end |
7270.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].text |
特別委員會 我認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].start |
7270.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].end |
7272.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].text |
來自內容產業的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].start |
7272.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].end |
7274.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].text |
聲音非常重要 我上次還舉了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].start |
7274.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].end |
7276.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].text |
例子 你先去問AI |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].start |
7276.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].end |
7278.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].text |
沒有人知道吳承文主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].start |
7278.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].end |
7280.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].text |
打過威廉波特棒球隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].start |
7280.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].end |
7282.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].text |
這個事情非常的可惜 所以我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].start |
7282.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].end |
7284.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].text |
如同兩位剛剛的回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].start |
7284.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].end |
7286.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].text |
非常的積極 我們就後續期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].start |
7286.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].end |
7288.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].text |
我們一起來規劃 一起來推進相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].start |
7288.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].end |
7290.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].text |
工程 好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].start |
7290.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].end |
7292.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].text |
好 謝謝 好 最後一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].start |
7292.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].end |
7294.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].text |
那書發部次長先請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].start |
7294.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].end |
7296.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].text |
我問一下國科會副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].start |
7296.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].end |
7298.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].text |
我們也看到國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].start |
7298.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].end |
7300.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].text |
在去年開始推動運動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].start |
7300.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].end |
7302.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].text |
文化的研究專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].start |
7302.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].end |
7304.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].text |
非常謝謝國科會在導入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].start |
7304.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].end |
7306.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].text |
運動議題 在所謂國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].start |
7306.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].end |
7308.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].text |
推動的研究當中 目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].start |
7308.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].end |
7310.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].text |
我們看到你們規劃三大主軸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].start |
7310.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].end |
7312.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].text |
九個議題 我就不再細念了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].start |
7312.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].end |
7314.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].text |
那我們看到最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].start |
7314.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].end |
7316.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].text |
核准成案有七個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].start |
7316.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].end |
7318.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].text |
第一個是在地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].start |
7318.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].end |
7320.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].text |
體育運動文化跟歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].start |
7320.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].end |
7322.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].text |
一共核准了四個案子 第二個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].start |
7322.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].end |
7324.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].text |
運動媒體跟消費文化創新 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].start |
7324.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].end |
7326.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].text |
還有社會影響 這非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].start |
7326.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].end |
7328.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].text |
兩個案子 再來是關於運動人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].start |
7328.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].end |
7330.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].text |
培育制度的創新 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].start |
7330.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].end |
7332.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].text |
很棒 有一個案子 可是我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].start |
7332.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].end |
7334.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].text |
很可惜 我要先說非常肯定你們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].start |
7334.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].end |
7336.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].text |
努力 也謝謝你們把運動文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].start |
7336.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].end |
7338.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].text |
消費文化人才培育放進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].start |
7338.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].end |
7340.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].text |
但是我們現在看到裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].start |
7340.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].end |
7342.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].text |
有一些缺漏 我不確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].start |
7342.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].end |
7344.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].text |
是因為沒有人送案 所以沒有通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].start |
7344.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].end |
7346.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].text |
還是因為有人送案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].start |
7346.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].end |
7348.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].text |
但是最後沒有被審出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].start |
7348.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].end |
7350.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].text |
就是第一個 關於運動性評的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].start |
7350.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].end |
7352.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].text |
第二個是關於運動當中的勞動權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].start |
7352.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].end |
7354.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].text |
再來第三個非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].start |
7354.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].end |
7356.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].text |
是關於運動當中的兒童權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].start |
7356.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].end |
7358.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].text |
相關的三大主軸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].start |
7358.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].end |
7360.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].text |
九個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].start |
7360.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].end |
7362.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].text |
看起來應該有機會涵誇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].start |
7362.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].end |
7364.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].text |
我今天所提醒的 所以我想請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].start |
7364.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].end |
7366.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].text |
副主委回答一下 是沒有人遞案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].start |
7366.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].end |
7368.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].text |
還是因為有人遞案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].start |
7368.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].end |
7370.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].text |
但是你們覺得還不夠好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].start |
7370.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].end |
7372.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].text |
所以沒有往下發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].start |
7372.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].end |
7374.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].text |
包委員我請處長幫忙回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].start |
7375.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].end |
7377.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].start |
7377.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].end |
7379.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].text |
報告委員 有關於性評跟兒少的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].start |
7379.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].end |
7383.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].text |
確實提案的團隊比較少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].start |
7383.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].end |
7385.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].text |
但有關於勞動的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].start |
7385.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].end |
7387.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].text |
應該在其中有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].start |
7387.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].end |
7389.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].text |
媒體那個部分應該會涉及 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].start |
7389.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].end |
7391.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].text |
有關於那個 就運動相關的勞動產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].start |
7391.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].end |
7393.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].text |
好 那我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].start |
7393.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].end |
7395.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].text |
確實很有可能就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].start |
7395.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].end |
7397.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].text |
我們猜對了嘛 比較少人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].start |
7397.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].end |
7399.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].text |
但是我想國科會應該有一個角度可以做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].start |
7399.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].end |
7401.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].text |
我們可以去找相關的學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].start |
7401.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].end |
7403.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].text |
鼓勵他們在來年當中可以持續提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].start |
7403.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].end |
7405.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].text |
那你們可以有更多政策上的鼓勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].start |
7405.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].end |
7407.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].text |
我們把兒少全因還有運動性評 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].start |
7407.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].end |
7409.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].text |
納入 可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].start |
7409.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].end |
7411.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].start |
7411.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].end |
7413.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].text |
再來一題 就是前兩天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].start |
7413.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].end |
7415.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].text |
有一個台師大體操隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].start |
7415.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].end |
7417.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].text |
歐師行教練的霸凌性評事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].start |
7417.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].end |
7419.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].text |
謝謝 我就不再說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].start |
7419.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].end |
7421.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].text |
但我知道歐教練他有申請一個國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].start |
7421.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].end |
7423.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].text |
的題目叫做完美翻騰精準論地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].start |
7423.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].end |
7425.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].text |
科學化競技體操訓練跟監控 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].start |
7425.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].end |
7427.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].text |
我現在不確定在他這個研究案當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].start |
7427.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].end |
7429.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].text |
有沒有利用這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].start |
7429.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].end |
7431.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].text |
研究案獲得相關研究成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].start |
7431.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].end |
7433.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].text |
但是這中間有一些關於學生的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].start |
7433.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].end |
7435.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].text |
參與的部分是不當處置對待的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].start |
7435.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].end |
7437.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].text |
目前國科會有沒有去掌握這個研究案的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].start |
7437.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].end |
7439.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].text |
跟相關我剛剛所提出的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].start |
7442.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].end |
7444.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].start |
7444.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].end |
7446.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].text |
翁老師他目前所執行的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].start |
7446.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].end |
7448.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].text |
都是在18歲以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].start |
7448.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].end |
7450.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].text |
的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].start |
7450.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].end |
7452.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].text |
作為對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].start |
7452.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].end |
7454.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].text |
我們都確認過其實他目前這些計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].start |
7454.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].end |
7456.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].text |
都有通過這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].start |
7456.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].end |
7458.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].text |
IRB |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].start |
7458.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].end |
7460.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].text |
是 但目前我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].start |
7460.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].end |
7462.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].text |
並沒有獲得說這裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].start |
7462.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].end |
7464.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].text |
是不是有不當詮釋的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].start |
7464.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].end |
7466.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].text |
這個的意見的反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].start |
7466.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].end |
7468.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].text |
好 如果就18歲以上的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].start |
7468.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].end |
7470.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].text |
大概就避開了所謂小師大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].start |
7470.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].end |
7472.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].text |
所以也有做了IRB的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].start |
7472.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].end |
7474.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].text |
但是我想如果未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].start |
7474.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].end |
7476.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].text |
沒有聽到任何他如果在這過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].start |
7476.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].end |
7478.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].text |
對於18歲以上的選手的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].start |
7478.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].end |
7480.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].text |
不當對待結果被納入了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].start |
7480.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].end |
7482.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].text |
變成這個研究的一部分我想國科會還是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].start |
7482.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].end |
7484.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].text |
持續關注 所以我想關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].start |
7484.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].end |
7486.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].text |
剛剛我們希望可以推動下一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].start |
7486.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].end |
7488.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].text |
推動關於運動當中的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].start |
7488.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].end |
7490.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].text |
運動性評的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].start |
7490.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].end |
7492.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].text |
兒童的研究就拜託國科會持續支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].start |
7492.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].end |
7494.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].text |
並且多加推廣希望有更多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].start |
7494.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].end |
7496.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].text |
專家學者可以來提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].start |
7496.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].end |
7498.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].text |
再來就是校園中各項學術研究計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].start |
7498.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].end |
7500.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].text |
如果有不當對待詮釋壓迫取得的研究素材 |
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7500.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].end |
7502.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].text |
也要拜託國科會這邊嚴謹把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].start |
7502.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].end |
7504.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].text |
那如果有相關的報告跟進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].start |
7504.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].end |
7506.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].text |
再拜託提供給我們辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].start |
7506.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].end |
7508.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].start |
7508.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].end |
7510.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].text |
好 那最後要拜託 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].start |
7510.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].end |
7512.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].text |
那個國科會關於我剛剛講的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].start |
7512.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].end |
7514.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].text |
的部分我們一起努力喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].start |
7514.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].end |
7516.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].text |
我想不管是速發部或國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].start |
7516.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].end |
7518.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].text |
我們確實要在內容國家對這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].start |
7518.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].end |
7520.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].text |
加緊腳步 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].start |
7520.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].end |
7522.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].text |
我舉一個最近的例子也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].start |
7522.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].end |
7524.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].text |
現在有非常多台灣人會用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].start |
7526.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].end |
7528.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].text |
AI模型做影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].start |
7528.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].end |
7530.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].text |
做的可能是講台灣的故事喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].start |
7530.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].end |
7532.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].text |
結果他用的聲音啊很無奈 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].start |
7532.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].end |
7534.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].start |
7535.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].end |
7537.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].text |
另外一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].start |
7536.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].end |
7538.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].text |
是中國的聲音中國的發音喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].start |
7538.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].end |
7540.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].text |
而且那個說法其實令人聽了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].start |
7540.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].end |
7542.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].text |
很多人都覺得天啊為什麼AI |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].start |
7542.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].end |
7544.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].text |
會給我這個聲音很簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].start |
7544.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].end |
7546.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].text |
因為現在很多AI語言模型上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].start |
7546.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].end |
7548.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].text |
其實沒有台灣人的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].start |
7548.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].end |
7550.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].text |
所以我想兩位都非常清楚我們一起努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].start |
7550.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].end |
7552.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].start |
7553.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].end |
7555.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].text |
好 謝謝陳培宇委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].start |
7555.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].end |
7557.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].text |
請官員回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].start |
7557.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].end |
7559.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].text |
那徵求一下那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].start |
7559.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].end |
7561.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].text |
吳佩儀委員喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].start |
7561.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].end |
7563.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].text |
是不是在吳思堯委員巡達完畢之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].start |
7563.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].end |
7565.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].text |
可以休息五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].start |
7567.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].end |
7569.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].text |
可以嗎 好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].start |
7569.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].end |
7571.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].text |
那有請吳思堯委員進行巡達 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].start |
7574.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].end |
7576.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].start |
7577.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].end |
7579.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].text |
中研院彭副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].start |
7579.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].end |
7581.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].text |
國科會陳副主委還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].start |
7581.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].end |
7583.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].text |
速發部的侯次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].start |
7583.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].end |
7585.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].text |
好 請機關代表上配巡台 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].start |
7585.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].end |
7587.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].text |
這個台灣三大AI |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].start |
7587.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].end |
7589.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].text |
發展的三大龍頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].start |
7589.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].end |
7591.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].text |
都已經在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].start |
7591.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].end |
7593.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].text |
你們如果想要回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].start |
7593.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].end |
7595.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].text |
我覺得都可以主動爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].start |
7595.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].end |
7597.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].text |
回答機會 欸對不起我的螢幕不見了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].start |
7598.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].end |
7600.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].text |
時間暫停一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].start |
7602.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].end |
7604.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].text |
請稍等一會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].start |
7604.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].end |
7606.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].text |
今天我們站在這裡喔 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].start |
7608.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].end |
7610.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].text |
謝謝我們召委所安排的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].start |
7610.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].end |
7612.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].text |
因為各國都在研發 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].start |
7612.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].end |
7614.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].text |
主權AI的策略 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].start |
7614.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].end |
7616.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].text |
為了要確保人工智慧的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].start |
7616.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].end |
7618.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].text |
技術自主性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].start |
7618.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].end |
7620.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].text |
而且要減少對國外的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].start |
7620.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].end |
7622.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].text |
依賴 也因此 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].start |
7622.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].end |
7624.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].text |
維護國家經濟成長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].start |
7624.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].end |
7626.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].text |
經濟發展以及國家安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].start |
7626.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].end |
7628.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].text |
利益 所以我們今天站在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].start |
7628.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].end |
7630.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].text |
這裡 PING AI |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].start |
7630.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].end |
7632.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].text |
台灣要組成國家隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].start |
7632.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].end |
7634.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].text |
以小搏大 下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].start |
7634.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].end |
7636.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].text |
首先我非常感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].start |
7636.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].end |
7638.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].text |
我還是要提一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].start |
7638.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].end |
7640.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].text |
我過去十度我在教育委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].start |
7640.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].end |
7642.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].text |
的催生質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].start |
7642.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].end |
7644.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].text |
謝謝國科會 謝謝中研院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].start |
7644.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].end |
7646.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].text |
我們組成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].start |
7646.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].end |
7648.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].text |
讓恢復國家的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].start |
7648.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].end |
7650.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].text |
科技顧問制度能夠恢復 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].start |
7650.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].end |
7652.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].text |
上路 而這樣一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].start |
7652.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].end |
7654.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].text |
重要的制度就是要為國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].start |
7654.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].end |
7656.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].text |
的科技發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].start |
7656.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].end |
7658.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].text |
定錨 定方向 下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].start |
7658.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].end |
7660.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].text |
而三次召開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].start |
7660.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].end |
7662.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].text |
科技顧問會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].start |
7662.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].end |
7664.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].text |
確實也點出跟今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].start |
7664.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].end |
7666.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].text |
主題相符的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].start |
7666.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].end |
7668.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].text |
AI驅動下世代 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].start |
7668.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].end |
7670.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].text |
的發展 不管是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].start |
7670.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].end |
7672.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].text |
資料治理的環境 不管是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].start |
7672.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].end |
7674.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].text |
跟國際夥伴共同開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].start |
7674.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].end |
7676.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].text |
不管是確保國家安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].start |
7676.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].end |
7678.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].text |
跟營業秘密的AI資料的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].start |
7678.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].end |
7680.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].text |
共享 更重要的是人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].start |
7680.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].end |
7682.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].text |
的培育 以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].start |
7682.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].end |
7684.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].text |
基礎算力設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].start |
7684.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].end |
7686.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].text |
的投資 這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].start |
7686.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].end |
7688.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].text |
重要的科技顧問會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].start |
7688.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].end |
7690.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].text |
就是定出我們主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].start |
7690.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].end |
7692.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].text |
AI的大方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].start |
7692.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].end |
7694.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].text |
那我們的AI教父黃仁勳說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].start |
7695.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].end |
7697.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].text |
上一波的AI浪潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].start |
7697.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].end |
7699.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].text |
推手是誰 這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].start |
7699.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].end |
7701.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].text |
科技巨頭 這些科技業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].start |
7701.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].end |
7703.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].text |
這些AI的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].start |
7703.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].end |
7705.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].text |
新創 但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].start |
7705.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].end |
7707.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].text |
第二波的AI浪潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].start |
7707.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].end |
7709.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].text |
的推手就會是各 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].start |
7709.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].end |
7711.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].text |
國政府 所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].start |
7711.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].end |
7713.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].text |
對應於我們科技顧問會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].start |
7713.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].end |
7715.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].text |
確實也離定了國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].start |
7715.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].end |
7717.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].text |
重要的戰略方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].start |
7717.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].end |
7719.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].text |
下頁 這個是WEF |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].start |
7719.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].end |
7721.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].text |
2024年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].start |
7721.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].end |
7723.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].text |
他們公佈的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].start |
7723.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].end |
7725.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].text |
發展各國的主權AI |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].start |
7725.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].end |
7727.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].text |
他們訂定了六大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].start |
7727.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].end |
7729.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].text |
戰略支柱 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].start |
7729.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].end |
7731.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].text |
有數位基礎設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].start |
7731.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].end |
7733.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].text |
有勞動力的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].start |
7733.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].end |
7735.94 |
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也就是人才儲備 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].start |
7735.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].end |
7737.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].text |
第三個支柱是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].start |
7737.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].end |
7739.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].text |
研發開發與創新 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].start |
7739.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].end |
7741.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].text |
第四個就是監管道德 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].start |
7741.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].end |
7743.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].text |
框架可能落實在法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].start |
7743.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].end |
7745.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].text |
網路安全 數據保護等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].start |
7745.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].end |
7747.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].text |
第五大支柱就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].start |
7747.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].end |
7749.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].text |
如何各國創立有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].start |
7749.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].end |
7751.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].text |
利的環境來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].start |
7751.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].end |
7753.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].text |
簡化必要的流程提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].start |
7753.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].end |
7755.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].text |
誘因 激勵人工 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].start |
7755.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].end |
7757.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].text |
智慧相關的產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].start |
7757.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].end |
7759.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].text |
最後一個當然各國誰能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].start |
7759.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].end |
7761.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].text |
贏得跟國際合作的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].start |
7761.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].end |
7763.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].text |
Tagler Leadership誰就能贏 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].start |
7763.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].end |
7765.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].text |
我想問三大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].start |
7765.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].end |
7767.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].text |
龍頭 三大巨頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].start |
7767.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].end |
7769.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].text |
你們自評 我們今天的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].start |
7769.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].end |
7771.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].text |
主題在講台灣的主權AI |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].start |
7771.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].end |
7773.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].text |
我們就以WEF這 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].start |
7773.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].end |
7775.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].text |
六大戰略支柱 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].start |
7775.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].end |
7777.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].text |
台灣強在哪裡弱在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].start |
7777.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].end |
7779.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].text |
來 副院長要不要先 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].start |
7780.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].end |
7782.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].text |
好 謝謝吳委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].start |
7782.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].end |
7784.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].text |
快速回答 大哉問 但是我覺得很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].start |
7784.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].end |
7786.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].text |
對 我們中院我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].start |
7786.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].end |
7788.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].text |
我們能做的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].start |
7788.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].end |
7790.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].text |
在這個六個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].start |
7790.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].end |
7792.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].text |
戰略支柱下哪一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].start |
7792.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].end |
7794.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].text |
我們比較能夠著力的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].start |
7794.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].end |
7796.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].text |
來先做 我們不可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].start |
7796.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].end |
7798.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].text |
包山包海全部做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].start |
7798.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].end |
7800.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].text |
那這部分 所以您覺得重點我們優勢在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].start |
7801.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].end |
7803.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].text |
弱點在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].start |
7803.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].end |
7805.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].text |
我們優勢就是我們擁有的資料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].start |
7805.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].end |
7807.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].text |
最近Google也想跟我們合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].start |
7807.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].end |
7809.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].text |
所以我們想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].start |
7809.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].end |
7811.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].text |
他對我們有興趣的部分是哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].start |
7811.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].end |
7813.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].text |
他的技術的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].start |
7813.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].end |
7815.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].text |
什麼地方比我們厲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].start |
7815.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].end |
7817.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].text |
我們都在盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].start |
7816.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].end |
7820.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].text |
這可能就是在台灣價值民主自由的那一方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].start |
7820.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].end |
7822.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].text |
我想Google跟我們接觸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].start |
7822.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].end |
7824.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].text |
這是我們的優勢 好 來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].start |
7825.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].end |
7827.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].text |
我想我們的優勢還是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].start |
7827.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].end |
7829.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].text |
比較偏AI的硬體的方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].start |
7829.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].end |
7831.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].text |
這個是我們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].start |
7831.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].end |
7833.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].text |
很具有的優勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].start |
7833.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].end |
7835.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].text |
但是我們在所謂的系統層面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].start |
7835.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].end |
7837.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].text |
應用的方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].start |
7837.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].end |
7839.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].text |
需求的這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].start |
7839.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].end |
7841.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].text |
我們其實還是比較偏 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].start |
7841.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].end |
7843.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].text |
沒有錯 這也是我看到的問題 好 來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].start |
7843.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].end |
7845.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].text |
是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].start |
7845.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].end |
7847.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].start |
7847.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].end |
7849.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].text |
台灣在2017年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].start |
7849.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].end |
7851.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].text |
開始AI Action Plan |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].start |
7851.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].end |
7853.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].text |
第一次的行動計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].start |
7853.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].end |
7855.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].text |
在2017年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].start |
7855.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].end |
7857.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].text |
當時科技部在人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].start |
7857.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].end |
7859.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].text |
還有硬體的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].start |
7859.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].end |
7861.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].text |
去做了非常多的著墨 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].start |
7861.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].end |
7863.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].text |
那經過將近十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].start |
7863.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].end |
7865.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].text |
我想在這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].start |
7865.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].end |
7867.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].text |
硬體的成效非常非常明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].start |
7867.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].end |
7869.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].text |
就是現在台灣的AI Server |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].start |
7869.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].end |
7871.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].text |
在占的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].start |
7871.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].end |
7873.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].text |
全球的市占率是九成以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].start |
7873.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].end |
7875.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].text |
那晶片來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].start |
7875.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].end |
7877.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].text |
也更不用說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].start |
7877.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].end |
7879.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].text |
所以我們在硬體上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].start |
7879.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].end |
7881.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].text |
當然是非常強的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].start |
7881.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].end |
7883.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].text |
但如何在這樣的基礎上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].start |
7884.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].end |
7886.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].text |
就像委員標題所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].start |
7886.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].end |
7888.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].text |
極其直追 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].start |
7888.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].end |
7890.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].text |
我想從去年開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].start |
7890.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].end |
7892.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].text |
政府在推動的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].start |
7892.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].end |
7894.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].text |
就可以看出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].start |
7894.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].end |
7896.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].text |
第一個是在 用詳細節 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].start |
7896.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].end |
7898.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].text |
重點是我自己認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].start |
7898.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].end |
7900.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].text |
我們的硬體設施確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].start |
7900.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].end |
7902.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].text |
在不見 國家也在投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].start |
7902.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].end |
7904.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].text |
但是我認為我們的人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].start |
7904.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].end |
7906.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].text |
還是要補強 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].start |
7906.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].end |
7908.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].text |
以及我們在應用端 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].start |
7908.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].end |
7910.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].text |
要多強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].start |
7910.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].end |
7912.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].text |
這是我的觀察 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].start |
7912.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].end |
7914.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].text |
我們來對應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].start |
7914.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].end |
7916.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].text |
國會要做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].start |
7916.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].end |
7918.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].text |
AI基本法我們三讀通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].start |
7918.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].end |
7920.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].text |
謝謝各黨的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].start |
7920.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].end |
7922.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].text |
但是另外一個立法也需要國會來助力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].start |
7922.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].end |
7924.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].text |
就是你們數發部正在推動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].start |
7924.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].end |
7926.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].text |
促進資料創新利用發展條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].start |
7926.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].end |
7928.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].text |
這也是非常重要的一個立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].start |
7928.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].end |
7930.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].text |
我先從國會來切入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].start |
7930.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].end |
7932.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].text |
你們現在進度到哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].start |
7932.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].end |
7934.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].text |
布板已經出來了嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].start |
7934.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].end |
7936.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].text |
是 草案已經在行政院了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].start |
7936.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].end |
7938.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].text |
那你們有沒有 push |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].start |
7939.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].end |
7941.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].text |
有 我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].start |
7941.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].end |
7943.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].text |
這個會集會送出來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].start |
7943.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].end |
7945.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].text |
希望能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].start |
7945.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].end |
7947.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].text |
我們希望能夠在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].start |
7947.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].end |
7949.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].text |
五六月能夠通過園會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].start |
7949.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].end |
7951.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].text |
非常期待好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].start |
7951.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].end |
7953.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].text |
我想缺一不可就是剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].start |
7953.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].end |
7955.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].text |
六大戰略指標其中一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].start |
7955.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].end |
7957.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].text |
即使在法規監理的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].start |
7957.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].end |
7959.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].text |
我們要跟上我就先以國會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].start |
7959.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].end |
7961.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].text |
能幫忙 國會要當神隊友 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].start |
7961.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].end |
7963.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].text |
那下一個 在硬體 |
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7963.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].end |
7965.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].text |
的部分 政府確實投資了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].start |
7965.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].end |
7967.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].text |
AI新十大建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].start |
7967.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].end |
7969.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].text |
我們各方面從 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].start |
7969.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].end |
7971.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].text |
智慧應用關鍵技術到數位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].start |
7971.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].end |
7973.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].text |
基盤 我們有一個完整的建構 |
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7973.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].end |
7975.75 |
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這就是請國會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].start |
7975.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].end |
7977.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].text |
要幫忙的地方 好不容易 |
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7977.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].end |
7979.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].text |
我上上週站在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].start |
7979.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].end |
7981.75 |
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那時候預算還沒復位 |
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7981.75 |
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7983.75 |
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會影響到311億的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].start |
7983.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].end |
7985.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].text |
AI新十大建設的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].start |
7985.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].end |
7987.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].text |
希望國會來支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].start |
7987.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].end |
7989.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].text |
讓我們都關心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].start |
7989.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].end |
7991.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].text |
尤其主權AI 台灣不能輸 |
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7991.75 |
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7993.75 |
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就是要從預算面的支持下眼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].start |
7993.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].end |
7995.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].text |
硬體部分我先來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].start |
7995.75 |
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7997.75 |
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謝謝大家共同的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].start |
7997.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].end |
7999.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].text |
南科國網雲端算力中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].start |
7999.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].end |
8001.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].text |
南科國網雲端算力中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].start |
8001.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].end |
8003.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].text |
在去年底成立了 我們一併 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].start |
8003.75 |
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8005.75 |
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也成立了民間一起來合作的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].start |
8005.75 |
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8007.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].text |
台灣算力聯盟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].start |
8007.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].end |
8009.75 |
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所以算是到位了 |
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8009.75 |
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8011.75 |
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但是呢 下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].start |
8011.75 |
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8013.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].text |
就是因為預算受了影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].start |
8013.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].end |
8015.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].text |
台南沙崙智慧創新 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].start |
8015.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].end |
8017.75 |
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算力中心 我們表定的期程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].start |
8017.75 |
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8019.75 |
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是2029年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].start |
8019.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].end |
8021.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].text |
但是因為預算被拖了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].start |
8021.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].end |
8023.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].text |
我非常擔心設計標沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].start |
8023.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].end |
8025.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].text |
建築標現在在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].start |
8026.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].end |
8028.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].text |
建築標現在的進程誰能回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].start |
8030.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].end |
8032.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].text |
我請國網中心幫忙回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].start |
8060.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].end |
8062.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].text |
再來監督 下一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].start |
8062.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].end |
8064.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].text |
剛剛講硬體 現在講軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].start |
8064.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].end |
8066.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].text |
這個Tide 我過去2023年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].start |
8066.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].end |
8068.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].text |
我當時的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].start |
8068.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].end |
8070.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].text |
我們換寡也換不均 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].start |
8070.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].end |
8072.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].text |
在整個文本的採用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].start |
8072.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].end |
8074.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].text |
所以數量少的文本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].start |
8074.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].end |
8076.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].text |
而且領域不夠多元 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].start |
8076.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].end |
8078.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].text |
當時都側重在某些科技的領域 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].start |
8078.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].end |
8080.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].text |
在我不斷的要求之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].start |
8080.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].end |
8082.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].text |
我謝謝你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].start |
8082.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].end |
8084.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].text |
在把文化 我最關心文化藝術 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].start |
8084.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].end |
8086.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].text |
國家文化記憶庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].start |
8086.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].end |
8088.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].text |
在文化部門的這些部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].start |
8088.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].end |
8090.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].text |
現在就是擴充再擴充 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].start |
8090.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].end |
8092.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].text |
但是我也看到問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].start |
8092.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].end |
8094.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].text |
下一頁 我先問中研院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].start |
8094.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].end |
8096.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].text |
我們這個Tide的系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].start |
8096.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].end |
8098.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].text |
到現在我看到的應用端 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].start |
8098.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].end |
8100.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].text |
還是限於公務跟學術為主 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].start |
8100.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].end |
8102.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].text |
我們有沒有更大的雄心壯志 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].start |
8102.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].end |
8104.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].text |
我們讓全社會的普及應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].start |
8104.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].end |
8106.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].text |
商用的可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].start |
8106.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].end |
8108.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].text |
而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].start |
8108.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].end |
8110.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].text |
我們也希望能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].start |
8110.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].end |
8112.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].text |
讓全社會的公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].start |
8112.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].end |
8114.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].text |
商用的可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].start |
8114.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].end |
8116.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].text |
而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].start |
8112.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].end |
8114.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].text |
多平台的使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].start |
8114.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].end |
8116.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].text |
我們有沒有這樣子的雄心壯志 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].start |
8116.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].end |
8118.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].text |
好 五位 我們這部分請我們院內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].start |
8118.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].end |
8120.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].text |
參與Tide的同仁來回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].start |
8121.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].end |
8123.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].text |
是 各位你好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].start |
8123.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].end |
8125.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].text |
最主要是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].start |
8125.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].end |
8127.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].text |
我們現在要發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].start |
8127.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].end |
8129.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].text |
現在要大大的應用的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].start |
8129.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].end |
8131.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].text |
百工百藥都要用的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].start |
8131.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].end |
8133.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].text |
必須要是一個多模態的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].start |
8133.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].end |
8135.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].text |
一個Foundation Model |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].start |
8135.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].end |
8137.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].text |
那現在我其實中研院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].start |
8137.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].end |
8139.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].text |
因為主委有指示 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].start |
8139.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].end |
8141.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].text |
副主委說要辦一個AI Team Taiwan |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].start |
8141.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].end |
8143.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].text |
那因為那樣行政程序太麻煩了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].start |
8143.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].end |
8145.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].text |
所以我們現在在Tide的計畫下面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].start |
8145.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].end |
8147.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].text |
成立一個這樣的小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].start |
8147.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].end |
8149.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].text |
對 包括聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].start |
8149.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].end |
8151.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].text |
然後影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].start |
8151.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].end |
8153.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].text |
影像視訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].start |
8153.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].end |
8155.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].text |
然後再加上原來的語言 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].start |
8155.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].end |
8157.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].text |
我們把這些東西結合起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].start |
8157.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].end |
8159.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].text |
這樣的話他的應用面就會非常廣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].start |
8159.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].end |
8161.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].text |
因為當我在AGE端能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].start |
8161.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].end |
8163.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].text |
處理行為的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].start |
8163.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].end |
8165.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].text |
我就可以把它放到AGE端去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].start |
8165.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].end |
8167.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].text |
老人家的跌倒啊什麼這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].start |
8167.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].end |
8169.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].text |
或者是居家四周圍的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].start |
8169.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].end |
8171.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].text |
維護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].start |
8171.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].end |
8173.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].text |
很多東西都可以用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].start |
8173.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].end |
8175.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].text |
包括醫生在病房裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].start |
8175.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].end |
8177.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].text |
這些手術 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].start |
8177.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].end |
8179.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].text |
那我當然知道我們擴大應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].start |
8179.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].end |
8181.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].text |
結合團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].start |
8181.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].end |
8183.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].text |
但是我剛剛說的那個宏觀的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].start |
8183.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].end |
8185.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].text |
就往這個方向來努力吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].start |
8185.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].end |
8187.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].text |
全社會的普及 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].start |
8187.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].end |
8189.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].text |
這個就是要讓它普及到全社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].start |
8189.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].end |
8191.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].text |
但是我們Foundation Model是最困難的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].start |
8191.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].end |
8193.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].text |
我知道很困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].start |
8193.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].end |
8195.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].text |
但我還是要說出我們要有這個雄心壯志 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].start |
8195.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].end |
8197.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].text |
右手邊我在講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].start |
8197.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].end |
8199.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].text |
速發步 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].start |
8199.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].end |
8201.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].text |
這個台灣主權AI的訓練語料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].start |
8201.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].end |
8203.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].text |
酷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].start |
8203.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].end |
8205.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].text |
剛剛你們已經也揭露了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].start |
8205.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].end |
8207.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].text |
國際的大型語言的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].start |
8207.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].end |
8209.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].text |
Google已經主動跟我們接觸了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].start |
8209.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].end |
8211.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].start |
8211.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].end |
8213.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].text |
那其他的呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].start |
8213.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].end |
8215.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].text |
OpenAI Cloud |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].start |
8215.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].end |
8217.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].text |
Entropic Cloud公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].start |
8217.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].end |
8219.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].text |
我們都已經接觸了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].start |
8219.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].end |
8221.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].text |
我們主動好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].start |
8221.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].end |
8223.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].text |
我們就是在跟對岸比賽 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].start |
8223.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].end |
8225.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].text |
今天至少知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].start |
8225.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].end |
8227.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].text |
Google已經接觸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].start |
8227.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].end |
8229.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].text |
所以我們就先把這個東西好好的深化跟推廣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].start |
8229.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].end |
8231.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].text |
最後一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].start |
8231.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].end |
8233.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].text |
速發步有這一個AI產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].start |
8233.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].end |
8235.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].text |
跟系統的評測中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].start |
8235.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].end |
8237.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].text |
我們依據了三個指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].start |
8237.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].end |
8239.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].text |
台灣價值觀 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].start |
8239.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].end |
8241.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].text |
學測的社會科跟國文科 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].start |
8241.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].end |
8243.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].text |
來評估現在有的這些系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].start |
8243.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].end |
8245.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].text |
依它的準確性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].start |
8245.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].end |
8247.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].text |
可靠性公平性資安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].start |
8247.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].end |
8249.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].text |
跟隱私 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].start |
8249.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].end |
8251.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].text |
你們上路到現在已經檢測了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].start |
8251.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].end |
8253.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].text |
62個小模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].start |
8253.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].end |
8255.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].text |
58個大模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].start |
8255.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].end |
8257.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].text |
那我問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].start |
8257.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].end |
8259.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].text |
Ti的實在是相當具有進步的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].start |
8259.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].end |
8261.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].text |
我就看台灣價值觀 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].start |
8262.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].end |
8264.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].text |
我們當然要贏啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].start |
8264.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].end |
8266.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].text |
可是我們還不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].start |
8266 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].end |
8268 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].text |
最好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].start |
8267.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].end |
8269.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].text |
甚至在國文科跟社會科的這個評鑑裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].start |
8269.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].end |
8271.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].text |
我們都還 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].start |
8271.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].end |
8273.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].text |
輸給中國的系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].start |
8273.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].end |
8275.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].text |
當然也輸給這些國際的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].start |
8275.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].end |
8277.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].text |
大的原資料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].start |
8277.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].end |
8279.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].text |
原資料的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].start |
8279.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].end |
8281.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].text |
誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].start |
8281.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].end |
8283.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].text |
速發步可以來說一下吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].start |
8283.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].end |
8285.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].text |
在這個評測裡頭Ti的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].start |
8285.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].end |
8287.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].text |
可以給我們一些進步面向的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].start |
8288.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].end |
8290.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].text |
建議嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].start |
8290.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].end |
8292.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].text |
跟我們報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].start |
8320.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].end |
8322.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].text |
速發步有一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].start |
8322.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].end |
8324.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].text |
你們評測的時間點跟公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].start |
8324.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].end |
8326.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].text |
有一點不公平你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].start |
8326.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].end |
8328.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].text |
你們沒有把評測的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].start |
8328.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].end |
8330.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].text |
因為有的是前面評測跟後面評測 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].start |
8330.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].end |
8332.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].text |
都擺在一起的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].start |
8332.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].end |
8334.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].text |
我也覺得可能對Ti的會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].start |
8334.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].end |
8336.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].text |
有一點不公平啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].start |
8336.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].end |
8338.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].text |
我們會改進 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].start |
8338.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].end |
8340.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].text |
我覺得至少既然是一個評測 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].start |
8340.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].end |
8342.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].text |
它在各方面的公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].start |
8342.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].end |
8344.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].text |
跟各方面它的評測時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].start |
8344.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].end |
8346.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].text |
這些基準都要拉齊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].start |
8346.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].end |
8348.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].text |
否則確實會造成某些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].start |
8348.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].end |
8350.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].text |
我覺得可能也對Ti的系統的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].start |
8350.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].end |
8352.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].text |
這些同仁可能也有一點不公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].start |
8352.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].end |
8354.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].text |
當然我們也看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].start |
8354.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].end |
8356.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].text |
為什麼我的命題叫做台灣要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].start |
8356.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].end |
8358.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].text |
以小破大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].start |
8358.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].end |
8360.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].text |
我們就從我們能做的強項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].start |
8360.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].end |
8362.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].text |
下手也是剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].start |
8362.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].end |
8364.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].text |
中原院的副院長一開始所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].start |
8364.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].end |
8366.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].text |
我們的語言資料庫裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].start |
8366.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].end |
8368.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].text |
我們的內容文本裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].start |
8368.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].end |
8370.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].text |
能夠多有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].start |
8370.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].end |
8372.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].text |
台灣社會可以提供給 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].start |
8372.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].end |
8374.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].text |
全球的自由多元 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].start |
8374.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].end |
8376.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].text |
民主這些台灣價值的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].start |
8376.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].end |
8378.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].text |
這些面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].start |
8378.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].end |
8380.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].text |
這就是我們能贏的關鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].start |
8380.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].end |
8382.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].text |
所以今天時間非常有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].start |
8382.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].end |
8384.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].text |
不好意思我也拖到了一些時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].start |
8384.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].end |
8386.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].text |
軟體硬體都重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].start |
8386.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].end |
8388.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].text |
但最重要的是立法院的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].start |
8388.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].end |
8390.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].text |
趕快審查趕快通過AI新十大建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].start |
8390.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].end |
8392.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].text |
311億我們一定要朝野 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].start |
8392.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].end |
8394.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].text |
共同來支持謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].start |
8395.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].end |
8397.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].text |
謝謝五四一委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].start |
8397.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].end |
8399.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].text |
請官員回座我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].start |
8399.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].end |
8401.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].text |
休息五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].start |
8711.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].end |
8713.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].text |
好我們現在有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].start |
8713.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].end |
8715.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].text |
吳佩奕委員進行詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].start |
8721.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].end |
8723.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].text |
謝謝主席我請述發部國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].start |
8725.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].end |
8727.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].text |
請述發部國科會到備詢台 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].start |
8734.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].end |
8736.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].text |
首先請教述發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].start |
8736.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].end |
8738.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].text |
市長這幾天高德地圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].start |
8738.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].end |
8740.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].text |
引起了很多的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].start |
8740.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].end |
8742.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].text |
那述發部也有做了公開的回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].start |
8742.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].end |
8744.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].text |
對於公部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].start |
8744.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].end |
8746.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].text |
跟國軍禁用高德地圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].start |
8746.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].end |
8748.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].text |
我是相當支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].start |
8748.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].end |
8750.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].text |
因為我認為至少有兩點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].start |
8750.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].end |
8752.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].text |
隱憂第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].start |
8752.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].end |
8754.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].text |
高德地圖他的定位使用的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].start |
8754.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].end |
8756.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].text |
中國的北斗衛星系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].start |
8756.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].end |
8758.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].text |
第二個目前中國的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].start |
8758.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].end |
8760.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].text |
是要求民間公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].start |
8760.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].end |
8762.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].text |
要來配合政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].start |
8762.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].end |
8764.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].text |
收集資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].start |
8764.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].end |
8766.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].text |
這對台灣來說是相當大的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].start |
8766.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].end |
8768.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].text |
那剛剛前面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].start |
8768.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].end |
8770.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].text |
柯志恩委員在質詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].start |
8770.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].end |
8772.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].text |
他要求你們對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].start |
8772.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].end |
8774.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].text |
各國各種的軟體系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].start |
8774.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].end |
8776.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].text |
App應該標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].start |
8776.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].end |
8778.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].text |
要一視同仁我反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].start |
8778.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].end |
8780.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].text |
因為中國的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].start |
8780.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].end |
8782.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].text |
系統軟體App他因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].start |
8782.55 |
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8784.55 |
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中國法律的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].start |
8784.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].end |
8786.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].text |
其實對台灣來說是有特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].start |
8786.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].end |
8788.55 |
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高的風險所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].start |
8788.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].end |
8790.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].text |
當然不能一視同仁反倒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].start |
8790.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].end |
8792.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].text |
我們應該要專案的來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].start |
8792.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].end |
8794.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].text |
審慎應對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].start |
8794.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].end |
8796.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].text |
那我先請國科會可以來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].start |
8796.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].end |
8798.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].text |
說明中國的北斗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].start |
8798.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].end |
8800.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].text |
衛星系統這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].start |
8800.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].end |
8802.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].text |
什麼樣的系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].start |
8803.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].end |
8805.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].text |
各位報告就我們了解這應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].start |
8805.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].end |
8807.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].text |
比較類似於GPS的定位系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].start |
8808.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].end |
8810.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].text |
對GPS的定位系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].start |
8810.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].end |
8812.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].text |
那麼這個就是中國自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].start |
8812.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].end |
8814.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].text |
發展的衛星系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].start |
8814.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].end |
8816.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].text |
那麼他新一代的導航系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].start |
8816.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].end |
8818.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].text |
代表了中國他們在太空 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].start |
8818.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].end |
8820.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].text |
領域上面一個很戰略性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].start |
8820.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].end |
8822.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].text |
的突破那麼除了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].start |
8822.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].end |
8824.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].text |
民用之外很重要的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].start |
8824.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].end |
8826.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].text |
他包括了軍用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].start |
8826.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].end |
8828.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].text |
我們看到台灣其實我們軍方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].start |
8828.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].end |
8830.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].text |
相關的研究單位做了很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].start |
8830.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].end |
8832.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].text |
的研究像國防安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].start |
8832.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].end |
8834.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].text |
研究院的資料告訴我們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].start |
8834.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].end |
8836.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].text |
北斗衛星系統從 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].start |
8836.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].end |
8838.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].text |
研發開始就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].start |
8838.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].end |
8840.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].text |
中共解放軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].start |
8840.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].end |
8842.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].text |
總參謀部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].start |
8843.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].end |
8845.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].text |
的參與跟支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].start |
8845.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].end |
8847.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].text |
中共的官媒更直接說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].start |
8847.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].end |
8849.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].text |
北斗的軍事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].start |
8849.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].end |
8851.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].text |
應用是最迫切 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].start |
8851.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].end |
8853.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].text |
的需求例如 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].start |
8853.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].end |
8855.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].text |
洲際飛彈無人機或智慧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].start |
8855.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].end |
8857.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].text |
水雷我們台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].start |
8857.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].end |
8859.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].text |
國防大學黃埔學報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].start |
8859.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].end |
8861.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].text |
也有一個研究裡面提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].start |
8861.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].end |
8863.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].text |
中國的北斗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].start |
8863.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].end |
8865.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].text |
導航系統的建立他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].start |
8865.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].end |
8867.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].text |
相當於是什麼中共 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].start |
8867.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].end |
8869.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].text |
在太空中建構了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].start |
8869.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].end |
8871.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].text |
一套 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].start |
8870.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].end |
8872.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].text |
偵測的平台有利於 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].start |
8872.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].end |
8874.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].text |
中共執行各種的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].start |
8874.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].end |
8876.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].text |
作戰任務來破除 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].start |
8876.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].end |
8878.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].text |
戰爭的迷霧也就是戰爭當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].start |
8878.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].end |
8880.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].text |
假設GPS被破壞了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].start |
8880.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].end |
8882.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].text |
大家看不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].start |
8882.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].end |
8884.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].text |
但是中國因為有北斗衛星 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].start |
8884.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].end |
8886.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].text |
系統他們看得到他們有眼睛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].start |
8888.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].end |
8890.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].text |
那麼中國為了加速北斗衛星的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].start |
8890.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].end |
8892.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].text |
他不只是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].start |
8893.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].end |
8895.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].text |
這一套系統而已他們甚至打造了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].start |
8895.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].end |
8897.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].text |
北斗產業鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].start |
8897.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].end |
8899.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].text |
在中國的工業和資訊化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].start |
8899.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].end |
8901.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].text |
部在2022年他們發表聲明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].start |
8901.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].end |
8903.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].text |
就說了依照中共的黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].start |
8903.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].end |
8905.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].text |
中央國務院的決策部署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].start |
8905.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].end |
8907.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].text |
要將大眾的消費 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].start |
8907.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].end |
8909.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].text |
領域打造成北斗規模化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].start |
8909.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].end |
8911.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].text |
應用的動力引擎並且他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].start |
8911.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].end |
8913.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].text |
要培育20家以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].start |
8913.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].end |
8915.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].text |
的企業樹立一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].start |
8915.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].end |
8917.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].text |
應用的典型樣板 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].start |
8917.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].end |
8919.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].text |
也就是說民生消費的應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].start |
8919.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].end |
8921.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].text |
也是我們剛剛講的中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].start |
8921.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].end |
8923.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].text |
這一套北斗衛星發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].start |
8923.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].end |
8925.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].text |
他重要的引擎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].start |
8925.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].end |
8927.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].text |
而我們剛剛講的高德地圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].start |
8927.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].end |
8929.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].text |
就是在北斗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].start |
8929.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].end |
8931.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].text |
衛星的產業鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].start |
8931.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].end |
8933.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].text |
中國的紅色軍事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].start |
8933.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].end |
8935.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].text |
產業鏈當中剛剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].start |
8935.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].end |
8937.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].text |
20家以上的企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].start |
8937.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].end |
8939.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].text |
所培育的其中一家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].start |
8940.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].end |
8942.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].text |
所以我要講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].start |
8942.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].end |
8944.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].text |
這個高德地圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].start |
8943.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].end |
8945.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].text |
我們真的要謹慎來看待 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].start |
8947.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].end |
8949.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].text |
那麼這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].start |
8949.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].end |
8951.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].text |
當然有國防部跟國安會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].start |
8951.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].end |
8953.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].text |
有些部分是他們要處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].start |
8953.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].end |
8955.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].text |
但今天因為是速發部的備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].start |
8955.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].end |
8957.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].text |
所以我們還是要回到技術跟資安 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].start |
8957.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].end |
8959.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].text |
來請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].start |
8959.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].end |
8961.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].text |
那麼現在這個高德地圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].start |
8961.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].end |
8963.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].text |
顯然他是要回傳他的定位資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].start |
8963.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].end |
8965.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].text |
技術上這一些的定位資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].start |
8965.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].end |
8967.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].text |
他如果把它整合起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].start |
8967.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].end |
8969.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].text |
比如說使用者如果夠多的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].start |
8969.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].end |
8971.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].text |
他是不是有可能可以用來分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].start |
8971.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].end |
8973.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].text |
我們台灣人的生活樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].start |
8973.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].end |
8975.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].text |
例如說你的車流、人流 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].start |
8975.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].end |
8977.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].text |
行為的分析等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].start |
8977.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].end |
8979.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].text |
他有沒有可能做這樣子的運用分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].start |
8979.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].end |
8981.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].text |
就是就他能夠取得的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].start |
8981.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].end |
8983.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].text |
確實是有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].start |
8983.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].end |
8985.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].text |
不僅是整體的社會的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].start |
8985.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].end |
8987.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].text |
甚至到個別用戶的生活形態 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].start |
8987.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].end |
8989.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].text |
我們認為都是會有風險的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].start |
8989.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].end |
8991.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].start |
8991.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].end |
8993.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].text |
那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].start |
8994.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].end |
8996.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].text |
他收集的資料本身有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].start |
8996.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].end |
8998.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].text |
那剛剛我們講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].start |
8998.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].end |
9000.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].text |
要依據中國的法律嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].start |
9000.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].end |
9002.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].text |
他們的網路安全法、他們的國家情報法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].start |
9002.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].end |
9004.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].text |
任何組織公民他是依法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].start |
9004.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].end |
9006.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].text |
他必須要提供這些資料給中國的政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].start |
9006.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].end |
9008.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].text |
所以我們是非常的擔心 |
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因為在中國就算高德地圖 |
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他是隸屬於阿里巴巴集團 |
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但是就連馬雲 |
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就連馬雲 |
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他近年在中國都遭受政府強烈的打壓 |
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中國的企業可以說是 |
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沒有自由可言 |
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所以當然我們要特別謹慎來去看待 |
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那所以第一步我們現在要釐清的是 |
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他到底會回傳哪些資訊 |
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那速發部資安署說 |
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我們會來進行資安的檢測 |
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我們目前會檢測的項目 |
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有哪些呢 |
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就會檢測的項目 |
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包括敏感性的資訊 |
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那這些檢測項目我是不是請 |
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資安署的副署長來說明 |
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跟委員報告 |
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這個高德地圖目前已經送資安院 |
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在檢測當中 |
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那預計五月會出來 |
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那剛委員所詢詢的檢測哪些 |
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項目包含說 |
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他即時是讀取哪些資料 |
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或者是他越過 |
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當初使用者允許的 |
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權限他就再去 |
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翻看通話紀錄或者是其他 |
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甚至健康紀錄等等 |
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那再來還有是 |
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衛生金授權他會不會把這些資料 |
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就傳到了境外 |
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這是中國的伺服器 |
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剛剛委員有提到那既然是 |
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傳到中國的伺服器就 |
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9084.57 |
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歸中國的法律來管 |
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那有可能就可以取用到我們人民的 |
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生活軌跡資料 |
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那除了這些之外我覺得還有一項 |
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比較重要的是這個設備 |
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的裝置每個 |
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手機裡面可能會有一些 |
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ID那這些ID也可能 |
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會被做記號 |
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有下載過這些APP的民眾 |
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他有可能就被註記了 |
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所以簡單來說就是我們會 |
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檢測有沒有偷看使用者 |
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的資料有沒有偷翻 |
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使用者的資料其他APP或 |
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其他儲存裝置 |
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裡面的或者是偷送 |
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資料出去最後才有被 |
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做記號這樣子的行為我們 |
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會去做檢測所以他是有可能 |
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偷看偷翻甚至註記 |
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等等有可能有這樣風險存在 |
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是那因為這個是 |
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資安的專業就要拜託 |
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9132.57 |
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你們依專業來進行檢測 |
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那如同我們剛剛所提到的 |
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因為中國跟世界上其他民主國家 |
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都不一樣他的法律規定 |
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對台灣來說有特別高的風險 |
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所以請你們一定要特別謹慎 |
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來去對待那尤其是 |
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這個書長謝謝這個尤其是 |
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近期還有一案這個目前 |
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也排不到書發布現在在公平會在審 |
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就是中國的外送平台 |
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9154.57 |
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Grab他想要透過 |
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9156.57 |
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併購的方式想要進入台灣 |
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9157.37 |
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9159.37 |
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哇這個真的是讓人相當的擔憂 |
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已經有民間團體在分析 |
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因為Grab他是外送平台 |
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9165.37 |
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他未來如果是數百萬的 |
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外送員跟司機 |
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然後透過這個GPS的軌跡及時 |
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回報他就可以持續的去 |
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修正地圖那我們定位外送都知道 |
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這個字列到巷弄之間 |
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非常細的我們這些地理 |
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的資料所以 |
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9181.37 |
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我們是非常的擔心 |
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中國的系統如果在 |
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台灣這些資安對 |
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外人造成的風險那目前 |
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9189.37 |
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因為這案子在公平會審查當中 |
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9191.37 |
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我們也會嚴格的來去 |
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9191.37 |
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9193.37 |
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監督那要拜託書發布 |
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9195.37 |
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針對目前這個高德地圖一定要 |
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9197.37 |
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依據你們的專業來進行資安 |
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9197.37 |
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9199.37 |
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的檢測好謝謝因為時間 |
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9199.37 |
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9201.37 |
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有限我接下來是這個國會請 |
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回那我就快速 |
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來請教書發布就是 |
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9207.37 |
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我很關心的是GPU的 |
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算力在這裡也質詢過 |
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9211.37 |
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這個去年因為我們 |
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9213.37 |
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台灣主權在訓練的語料庫 |
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9213.37 |
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9215.37 |
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12月已經上線了嘛那麼 |
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9217.37 |
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語料庫當然要持續來擴充 |
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可是我們的算力擴充也 |
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9221.37 |
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很重要本來是不是書發布 |
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預計要買100片的GPU結果 |
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9225.37 |
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去年後來是不是 |
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9227.37 |
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因為立法院預算審查的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].start |
9227.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].end |
9229.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].text |
預算被砍了後來沒有買 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].start |
9229.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].end |
9231.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].text |
是去年因為預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].start |
9231.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].end |
9233.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].text |
被刪減的關係就 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].start |
9233.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].end |
9235.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].text |
沒有夠沒有辦法見這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].start |
9235.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].end |
9237.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].text |
算力本來我們是預計要買100片 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].start |
9237.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].end |
9239.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].text |
是對因為我看了你們3月 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].start |
9239.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].end |
9241.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].text |
在交通委員會的質詢有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].start |
9241.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].end |
9243.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].text |
國民黨的委員就在要求你們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].start |
9243.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].end |
9245.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].text |
這個GPU不是說要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].start |
9245.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].end |
9247.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].text |
買嗎怎麼還沒有買應該要加速來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].start |
9247.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].end |
9249.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].text |
建置然後他們說他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].start |
9249.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].end |
9251.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].text |
並沒有刪除預算但你們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].start |
9251.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].end |
9253.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].text |
預算有被刪除所以沒有買是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].start |
9253.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].end |
9255.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].text |
什麼原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].start |
9255.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].end |
9257.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].text |
就我所知就是預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].start |
9257.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].end |
9259.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].text |
刪除的關係是那我看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].start |
9259.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].end |
9261.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].text |
一下就是說因為上一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].start |
9261.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].end |
9263.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].text |
在審預算的時候交通委員會其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].start |
9263.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].end |
9265.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].text |
只刪了3.2億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].start |
9265.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].end |
9267.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].text |
後來到政黨協商的時候對書發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].start |
9267.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].end |
9269.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].text |
又通刪的通刪了你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].start |
9269.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].end |
9271.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].text |
20億那當時其實我也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].start |
9271.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].end |
9273.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].text |
一直主張說立法院當然我們是監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].start |
9273.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].end |
9275.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].text |
單位要審查預算可以刪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].start |
9275.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].end |
9277.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].text |
預算可是不要用通刪的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].start |
9277.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].end |
9279.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].text |
因為你不知道你刪了什麼項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].start |
9279.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].end |
9281.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].text |
然後你也你通刪你沒有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].start |
9281.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].end |
9283.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].text |
監督的理由你應該要依據你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].start |
9283.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].end |
9285.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].text |
看到的狀況我們真的認為說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].start |
9285.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].end |
9287.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].text |
實行力不好或是說預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].start |
9287.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].end |
9289.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].text |
其實不需要那麼高才來進行刪減 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].start |
9289.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].end |
9291.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].text |
但是你要通刪的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].start |
9291.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].end |
9293.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].text |
變成說當時刪除這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].start |
9293.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].end |
9295.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].text |
通刪的20億這個結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].start |
9295.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].end |
9297.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].text |
刪除的委員到今天不知道說他自己刪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].start |
9297.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].end |
9299.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].text |
掉了GPU這100片的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].start |
9299.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].end |
9301.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].text |
結果去年我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].start |
9301.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].end |
9303.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].text |
堂堂我們中華民國台灣的書 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].start |
9303.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].end |
9305.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].text |
發布本來要買100片的GPU |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].start |
9305.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].end |
9307.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].text |
坦白說100片都很少了不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].start |
9307.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].end |
9309.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].text |
其他國家你要建立 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].start |
9309.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].end |
9311.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].text |
這個AI算力中心這3萬片可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].start |
9311.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].end |
9313.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].text |
都不夠結果我們連100片都沒錢買 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].start |
9313.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].end |
9315.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].text |
我們國家有這麼窮嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].start |
9315.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].end |
9317.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].text |
所以要拜託這個書發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].start |
9317.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].end |
9319.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].text |
因為馬上又要開始審查預算了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].start |
9319.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].end |
9321.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].text |
我們今年是不是有區別 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].start |
9322.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].end |
9324.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].text |
GPU的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].start |
9324.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].end |
9326.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].text |
今年一樣預計要購買100片 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].start |
9326.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].end |
9328.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].text |
要拜託你們來多跟我們不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].start |
9328.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].end |
9330.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].text |
黨派的委員來溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].start |
9330.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].end |
9332.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].text |
我們會非常努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].start |
9332.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].end |
9334.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].text |
這個算力對台灣來講真的很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].start |
9334.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].end |
9336.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].text |
要拜託你們再想溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].start |
9336.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].end |
9338.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].text |
謝謝你們謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].start |
9338.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].end |
9340.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].text |
好謝謝吳佩儀委員的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].start |
9340.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].end |
9342.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].text |
請官員回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].start |
9351.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].end |
9353.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].text |
好接下來請吳麗華周圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].start |
9356.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].end |
9358.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].start |
9358.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].end |
9360.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].text |
有請中研院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].start |
9360.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].end |
9362.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].text |
國科會書發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].start |
9362.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].end |
9364.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].text |
三位副首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].start |
9365.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].end |
9367.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].text |
有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].start |
9370.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].end |
9372.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].text |
好那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].start |
9372.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].end |
9374.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].text |
我是想說今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].start |
9375.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].end |
9377.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].text |
安排這個主題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].start |
9377.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].end |
9379.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].text |
那我先問幾個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].start |
9379.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].end |
9381.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].text |
大家也可以拿出手機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].start |
9381.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].end |
9383.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].text |
如果有AI軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].start |
9383.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].end |
9385.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].text |
可以試試看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].start |
9385.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].end |
9387.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].text |
那我大概先問三個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].start |
9387.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].end |
9389.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].text |
就是難度一顆星 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].start |
9389.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].end |
9391.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].text |
兩顆星三顆星這樣可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].start |
9391.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].end |
9393.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].text |
好第一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].start |
9394.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].end |
9396.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].text |
我先說為什麼我要這樣問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].start |
9396.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].end |
9398.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].text |
因為在28年前1998年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].start |
9400.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].end |
9402.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].text |
我們有原住民族教育法的立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].start |
9404.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].end |
9406.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].text |
那麼到了2019年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].start |
9406.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].end |
9408.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].text |
做了一次大的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].start |
9409.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].end |
9411.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].text |
其中很重要的一個改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].start |
9411.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].end |
9413.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].text |
就是把實施的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].start |
9413.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].end |
9415.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].text |
從過去的原住民學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].start |
9415.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].end |
9417.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].text |
把它變成全體國民 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].start |
9417.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].end |
9419.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].text |
就是因為我們覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].start |
9419.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].end |
9421.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].text |
在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].start |
9421.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].end |
9423.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].text |
這個小小多山的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].start |
9423.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].end |
9425.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].text |
我們發現呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].start |
9425.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].end |
9427.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].text |
其實我們對身邊周遭的原住民族群 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].start |
9427.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].end |
9429.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].text |
不是很認識 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].start |
9429.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].end |
9431.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].text |
很了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].start |
9431.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].end |
9433.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].text |
那推動以來呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].start |
9433.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].end |
9435.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].text |
其實也許有一些長足的進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].start |
9435.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].end |
9437.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].text |
但是我們還是有一些物質的進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].start |
9437.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].end |
9439.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].text |
但是我們還是有一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].start |
9439.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].end |
9441.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].text |
想要就教大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].start |
9441.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].end |
9443.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].text |
首先喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].start |
9443.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].end |
9445.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].text |
請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].start |
9445.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].end |
9447.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].text |
8月1日是什麼日 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].start |
9449.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].end |
9451.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].start |
9450.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].end |
9452.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].text |
這難度一顆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].start |
9453.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].end |
9455.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].start |
9454.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].end |
9456.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].text |
都不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].start |
9456.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].end |
9458.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].text |
好原住民族日 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].start |
9458.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].end |
9460.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].text |
那第二題請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].start |
9460.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].end |
9462.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].text |
為什麼會把8月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].start |
9462.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].end |
9464.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].text |
定定為原住民族日 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].start |
9469.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].end |
9471.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].text |
也不行喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].start |
9471.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].end |
9473.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].text |
因為1994年的8月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].start |
9473.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].end |
9475.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].text |
憲法增修條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].start |
9475.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].end |
9477.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].text |
把山包 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].start |
9478.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].end |
9480.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].text |
證明為原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].start |
9480.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].end |
9482.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].text |
所以把這一天定為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].start |
9482.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].end |
9484.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].text |
原住民族日 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].start |
9484.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].end |
9486.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].text |
是作為一個紀念日 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].start |
9486.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].end |
9488.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].text |
好那第三題喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].start |
9488.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].end |
9490.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].text |
可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].start |
9489.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].end |
9491.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].text |
定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].start |
9490.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].end |
9492.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].text |
各位的AI軟體都沒有辦法找到答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].start |
9492.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].end |
9494.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].text |
因為我試過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].start |
9495.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].end |
9497.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].text |
第三個問題就是要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].start |
9497.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].end |
9499.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].text |
日本人來台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].start |
9499.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].end |
9503.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].text |
最後一個進入的部落是哪一個部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].start |
9505.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].end |
9507.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].text |
有沒有民 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].start |
9507.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].end |
9509.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].text |
那個民族所的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].start |
9509.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].end |
9511.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].text |
民族所 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].start |
9511.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].end |
9513.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].start |
9513.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].end |
9515.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].text |
不好意思因為那個我自己不是研究原住民族的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].start |
9515.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].end |
9517.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].text |
我不太清楚這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].start |
9517.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].end |
9519.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].start |
9519.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].end |
9521.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].text |
所以我們的原 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].start |
9522.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].end |
9524.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].text |
全體國民的原教 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].start |
9524.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].end |
9526.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].text |
還是有一大段 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].start |
9526.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].end |
9528.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].text |
要努力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].start |
9528.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].end |
9530.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].text |
我想這個部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].start |
9530.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].end |
9532.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].text |
我覺得蠻悲傷的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].start |
9532.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].end |
9534.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].text |
真的蠻悲傷 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].start |
9534.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].end |
9536.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].text |
因為我們可能知道美國怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].start |
9536.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].end |
9538.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].text |
可能知道中國怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].start |
9538.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].end |
9540.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].text |
但是我們對身邊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].start |
9540.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].end |
9542.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].text |
這些原住民族群的文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].start |
9542.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].end |
9544.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].text |
歷史語言甚至是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].start |
9544.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].end |
9546.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].text |
可能有很多的不認識 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].start |
9546.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].end |
9548.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].text |
那我就直接 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].start |
9548.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].end |
9550.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].text |
回答這一題的答案喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].start |
9550.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].end |
9552.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].text |
所以AI絕對找不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].start |
9552.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].end |
9554.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].text |
是1933年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].start |
9554.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].end |
9556.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].text |
接受昭祥的玉碎社 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].start |
9556.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].end |
9558.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].text |
玉碎社是不農族 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].start |
9558.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].end |
9560.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].start |
9560.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].end |
9562.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].text |
日本人最後一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].start |
9563.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].end |
9565.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].text |
舒服的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].start |
9564.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].end |
9566.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].text |
其實是不農族 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].start |
9567.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].end |
9569.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].text |
而且是接受昭祥 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].start |
9569.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].end |
9571.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].text |
因為打不下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].start |
9572.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].end |
9574.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].text |
那玉碎在哪裡呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].start |
9575.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].end |
9577.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].text |
就是前幾年非常有名 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].start |
9579.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].end |
9581.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].text |
有一條小小的玉碎溪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].start |
9581.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].end |
9585.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].text |
竟然把明霸克路橋沖斷了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].start |
9586.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].end |
9588.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].text |
南橫斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].start |
9587.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].end |
9589.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].text |
也就是現在高雄桃園那個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].start |
9591.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].end |
9593.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].text |
那這個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].start |
9593.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].end |
9595.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].text |
其實也有一位很有名的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].start |
9595.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].end |
9597.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].text |
文學作家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].start |
9597.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].end |
9599.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].text |
他是誰呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].start |
9599.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].end |
9601.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].text |
他叫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].start |
9601.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].end |
9603.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].text |
以前我們還不能夠原住民族名登記的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].start |
9603.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].end |
9605.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].text |
他叫王興明老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].start |
9605.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].end |
9607.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].text |
他是國小老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].start |
9608.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].end |
9610.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].text |
現在已經過世 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].start |
9610.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].end |
9612.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].text |
但是他恢復族名呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].start |
9612.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].end |
9614.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].text |
叫做胡斯魯曼Vava |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].start |
9615.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].end |
9617.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].text |
胡斯魯曼Vava |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].start |
9617.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].end |
9619.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].text |
他做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].start |
9619.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].end |
9621.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].text |
有一個著作叫玉山魂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].start |
9621.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].end |
9623.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].text |
這本著作呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].start |
9623.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].end |
9625.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].text |
在2007年得到台灣文學獎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].start |
9625.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].end |
9627.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].text |
長篇小說的經典獎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].start |
9627.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].end |
9629.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].text |
裡面有一段話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].start |
9631.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].end |
9633.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].text |
如果你的出現是認為要幫助我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].start |
9633.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].end |
9635.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].text |
教育我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].start |
9635.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].end |
9637.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].text |
那麼請你回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].start |
9637.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].end |
9639.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].text |
如果你將把我的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].start |
9639.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].end |
9641.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].text |
看成是你生存的一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].start |
9641.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].end |
9643.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].text |
那麼或許 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].start |
9643.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].end |
9645.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].text |
我們可以一起努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].start |
9647.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].end |
9649.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].text |
那為什麼我要特別的講出這段話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].start |
9649.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].end |
9651.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].start |
9651.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].end |
9653.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].text |
在4月13日的深夜 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].start |
9656.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].end |
9658.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].text |
有一個台東大學布農族的教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].start |
9660.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].end |
9662.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].text |
他叫海素 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].start |
9662.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].end |
9664.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].text |
Panalavi |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].start |
9664.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].end |
9666.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].text |
他是台東大學的教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].start |
9667.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].end |
9669.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].text |
他忍了很久 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].start |
9669.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].end |
9671.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].text |
趁著一個深夜 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].start |
9671.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].end |
9673.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].text |
他發文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].start |
9672.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].end |
9674.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].text |
而且叫做陳青文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].start |
9674.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].end |
9676.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].text |
他的標題叫陳青文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].start |
9676.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].end |
9678.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].text |
我們很難過的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].start |
9678.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].end |
9680.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].text |
因為他發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].start |
9680.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].end |
9682.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].text |
有一本出版的專書 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].start |
9682.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].end |
9684.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].text |
他標榜叫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].start |
9684.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].end |
9686.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].text |
台灣原住民族知識論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].start |
9686.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].end |
9688.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].text |
而且還布標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].start |
9688.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].end |
9690.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].text |
叫做去殖民批判 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].start |
9691.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].end |
9693.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].text |
但是收錄的這一篇文章 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].start |
9693.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].end |
9695.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].text |
在第一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].start |
9695.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].end |
9697.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].text |
就提到有關於他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].start |
9699.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].end |
9701.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].text |
而且作者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].start |
9701.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].end |
9703.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].text |
筆者是這麼寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].start |
9703.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].end |
9705.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].text |
他說他進行填調的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].start |
9705.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].end |
9707.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].text |
進行了一次深具啟發性的訪談 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].start |
9707.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].end |
9709.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].text |
然後用一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].start |
9709.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].end |
9711.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].text |
當地的布農族人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].start |
9711.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].end |
9713.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].text |
對另外一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].start |
9713.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].end |
9715.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].text |
這位學者教授的批判 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].start |
9715.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].end |
9717.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].text |
說呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].start |
9717.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].end |
9719.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].text |
他的知識都是從書上看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].start |
9719.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].end |
9721.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].text |
而且說他談的那些主規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].start |
9721.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].end |
9723.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].text |
他沒有去過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].start |
9724.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].end |
9728.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].text |
結果原來這個深具啟發性的訪談 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].start |
9728.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].end |
9730.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].text |
搞了老半天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].start |
9730.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].end |
9732.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].text |
竟然是他在他布農族 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].start |
9732.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].end |
9734.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].text |
乾媽的庭院的晚上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].start |
9734.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].end |
9736.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].text |
輕鬆聊天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].start |
9736.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].end |
9738.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].text |
聽那個人講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].start |
9739.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].end |
9741.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].text |
他就把他放在他的學術專桌裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].start |
9744.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].end |
9746.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].text |
各位都是學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].start |
9747.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].end |
9749.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].text |
為什麼沒有原住民學者發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].start |
9749.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].end |
9751.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].text |
而是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].start |
9751.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].end |
9753.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].text |
受害人當事人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].start |
9753.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].end |
9755.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].text |
他忍了很久 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].start |
9755.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].end |
9757.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].text |
用半夜發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].start |
9757.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].end |
9759.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].text |
因為他們都很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].start |
9759.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].end |
9761.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].text |
在學術界 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].start |
9761.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].end |
9763.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].text |
自己面對什麼樣的困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].start |
9763.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].end |
9765.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].text |
他們也要常常接受審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].start |
9765.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].end |
9767.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].text |
所以他們不敢發聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].start |
9767.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].end |
9769.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].text |
所以我特別難過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].start |
9769.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].end |
9771.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].text |
因為這個很明顯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].start |
9773.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].end |
9775.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].text |
我在民國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].start |
9775.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].end |
9777.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].text |
86年寫碩士論文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].start |
9778.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].end |
9780.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].text |
這個道理就已經很清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].start |
9781 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].end |
9783 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].text |
研究倫理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].start |
9782.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].end |
9784.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].text |
我們要保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].start |
9784.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].end |
9786.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].text |
要去識別化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].start |
9786.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].end |
9788.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].start |
9788.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].end |
9790.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].text |
也沒有做事實查證 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].start |
9790.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].end |
9792.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].text |
也沒有做橫評報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].start |
9792.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].end |
9794.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].text |
甚至是錯誤的詮釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].start |
9796.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].end |
9798.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].text |
我們非常的難過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].start |
9798.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].end |
9800.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].text |
所以在這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].start |
9800.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].end |
9802.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].text |
我其實今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].start |
9802.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].end |
9804.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].text |
要特別談這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].start |
9804.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].end |
9806.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].text |
就是要談 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].start |
9806.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].end |
9808.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].text |
我們為什麼那麼重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].start |
9808.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].end |
9810.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].text |
原住民的主權AI |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].start |
9810.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].end |
9812.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].text |
為什麼我們不斷的談 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].start |
9812.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].end |
9814.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].text |
我們原住民族 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].start |
9814.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].end |
9816.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].text |
也要成為一個學門 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].start |
9817.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].end |
9819.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].text |
因為人類學家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].start |
9819.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].end |
9821.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].text |
他本來是在學習 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].start |
9821.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].end |
9823.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].text |
在地者如何感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].start |
9823.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].end |
9825.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].text |
但是我們沒有想到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].start |
9825.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].end |
9827.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].text |
把這種輕鬆聊天的八卦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].start |
9827.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].end |
9829.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].text |
經常有很多學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].start |
9829.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].end |
9831.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].text |
到我們原住民部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].start |
9831.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].end |
9833.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].text |
我們也會在那邊講八卦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].start |
9833.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].end |
9835.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].text |
輕鬆的聊天講笑話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].start |
9835.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].end |
9837.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].text |
結果把他寫進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].start |
9837.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].end |
9839.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].text |
傷害了那位尼索 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].start |
9840.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].end |
9842.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].text |
而且那位尼索他很聰明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].start |
9843.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].end |
9845.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].text |
尼索一個部落可能有二十個尼索 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].start |
9847.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].end |
9849.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].start |
9848.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].end |
9850.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].text |
這個受害者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].start |
9850.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].end |
9852.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].text |
海索巴拉拉比 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].start |
9852.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].end |
9854.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].text |
全民就那麼一個我們知道是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].start |
9855.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].end |
9857.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].text |
這個是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].start |
9857.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].end |
9859.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].text |
毀人生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].start |
9859.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].end |
9861.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].text |
毀了自己的生育 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].start |
9861.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].end |
9863.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].text |
我想也毀了中研越民處所的生育 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].start |
9864.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].end |
9866.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].text |
犯了一個非常低級的錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].start |
9867.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].end |
9869.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].text |
所以在這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].start |
9869.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].end |
9871.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].text |
其實就暴露了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].start |
9871.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].end |
9873.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].text |
我們長期以來我們在談的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].start |
9873.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].end |
9875.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].text |
就是仲裁者的優越的視野 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].start |
9875.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].end |
9877.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].text |
不自覺的用西方學術霸權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].start |
9877.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].end |
9879.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].text |
去看待這些田野的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].start |
9879.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].end |
9881.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].text |
把原住民視為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].start |
9881.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].end |
9883.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].text |
顯為靜下的客體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].start |
9885.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].end |
9887.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].text |
而且知識生產的權力不對等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].start |
9887.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].end |
9889.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].text |
因為學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].start |
9889.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].end |
9891.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].text |
為了有編排篩選 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].start |
9891.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].end |
9893.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].text |
定調田野資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].start |
9893.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].end |
9895.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].text |
甚至詮釋的生殺大絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].start |
9895.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].end |
9897.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].text |
而且是一種慈善的迷思 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].start |
9897.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].end |
9899.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].text |
好像為族群發聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].start |
9899.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].end |
9901.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].text |
一廂情願 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].start |
9901.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].end |
9903.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].text |
卻忽略了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].start |
9903.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].end |
9905.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].text |
可能導致污名化的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].start |
9905.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].end |
9907.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].text |
一個結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].start |
9907.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].end |
9909.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].text |
所以我今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].start |
9908.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].end |
9910.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].text |
特別站在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].start |
9910.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].end |
9912.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].text |
因為如果我不發聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].start |
9912.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].end |
9914.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].text |
大家也不好意思發聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].start |
9914.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].end |
9916.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].text |
所以我希望今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].start |
9916.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].end |
9918.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].text |
我們的中研院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].start |
9918.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].end |
9920.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].text |
您是負責研究的倫理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].start |
9920.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].end |
9922.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].text |
那我們的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].start |
9922.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].end |
9924.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].text |
國科會是負責學門的建立 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].start |
9925.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].end |
9927.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].text |
那麼速發部呢主導 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].start |
9927.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].end |
9929.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].text |
未來這個AI |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].start |
9929.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].end |
9931.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].text |
與料庫的建置 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].start |
9931.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].end |
9933.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].text |
所以特別邀請三個部會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].start |
9933.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].end |
9935.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].text |
正視這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].start |
9936.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].end |
9938.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].text |
以前的人類學是重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].start |
9938.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].end |
9940.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].text |
個人的知情同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].start |
9940.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].end |
9942.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].text |
沒有做到但是各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].start |
9942.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].end |
9944.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].text |
應該很清楚2005年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].start |
9944.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].end |
9946.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].text |
原基法出來了之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].start |
9946.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].end |
9948.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].text |
把 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].start |
9948.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].end |
9952.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].text |
個人的同意拉到集體的同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].start |
9952.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].end |
9954.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].text |
所以原基法寫得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].start |
9954.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].end |
9956.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].text |
21條政府或私人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].start |
9956.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].end |
9958.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].text |
如果要去做學術研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].start |
9958.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].end |
9960.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].text |
要取得原住民族 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].start |
9960.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].end |
9962.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].text |
或部落同意參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].start |
9962.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].end |
9964.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].text |
原住民得分享相關利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].start |
9964.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].end |
9966.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].text |
我要跟各位講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].start |
9967.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].end |
9969.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].text |
很多的法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].start |
9969.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].end |
9971.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].text |
都已經在進行諮商同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].start |
9971.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].end |
9973.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].text |
我們對學者學術界 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].start |
9973.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].end |
9975.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].text |
非常尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].start |
9976.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].end |
9978.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].text |
還沒有這樣強烈的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].start |
9978.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].end |
9980.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].text |
但是我們也很了解歐盟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].start |
9980.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].end |
9982.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].text |
它有一個所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].start |
9982.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].end |
9984.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].text |
taking care的計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].start |
9984.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].end |
9986.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].text |
所以我想問一下鍾延遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].start |
9987.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].end |
9989.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].text |
未來像民主所的博物館 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].start |
9989.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].end |
9991.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].text |
可以開放讓這些原住民的學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].start |
9991.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].end |
9995.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].text |
一起申請合作研究部落文物嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].start |
9995.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].end |
9997.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].text |
有了中英民主所 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].start |
9997.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].end |
9999.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].text |
一直有辦工作展的展示 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].start |
9999.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].end |
10001.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].text |
過去收集文物 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].start |
10001.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].end |
10003.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].text |
回到部落去再重新做展示 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].start |
10003.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].end |
10005.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].text |
現在已經辦到第六屆了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].start |
10005.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].end |
10007.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].text |
我們還有原住民部落的講座 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].start |
10007.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].end |
10009.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].text |
研究講座都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].start |
10009.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].end |
10011.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].text |
補助原住民的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].start |
10011.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].end |
10013.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].text |
原住民組的研究生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].start |
10013.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].end |
10015.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].text |
我們都有長期補助的計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].start |
10015.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].end |
10017.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].text |
這是我們一直在執行在做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].start |
10017.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].end |
10019.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].text |
我們也擴展學校這方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].start |
10019.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].end |
10021.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].text |
能夠更擴大實作的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].start |
10021.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].end |
10023.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].text |
您說的這些我都了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].start |
10023.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].end |
10025.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].text |
但是我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].start |
10025.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].end |
10027.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].text |
我舉個例子來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].start |
10027.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].end |
10029.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].text |
像我們的主領住 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].start |
10031.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].end |
10033.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].text |
某個部落因為大家談 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].start |
10033.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].end |
10035.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].text |
要文物返鄉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].start |
10035.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].end |
10037.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].text |
但是都做半套 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].start |
10037.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].end |
10039.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].text |
可能第一次的文物返鄉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].start |
10039.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].end |
10041.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].text |
是來一個什麼呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].start |
10041.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].end |
10043.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].text |
結婚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].start |
10043.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].end |
10045.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].text |
讓這個主領住跟你們結婚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].start |
10046.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].end |
10048.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].text |
第二次的時候是結親結伴 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].start |
10051.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].end |
10055.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].text |
其實在原住民來看很客氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].start |
10056.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].end |
10058.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].text |
但是我們不是不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].start |
10059.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].end |
10063.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].text |
我們也了解那個不是尊嚴平等對待的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].start |
10063.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].end |
10067.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].text |
所以我想這個部分剛才講的我都了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].start |
10067.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].end |
10069.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].text |
但是我們是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].start |
10069.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].end |
10071.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].text |
平等共同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].start |
10071.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].end |
10073.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].text |
一同的來分享利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].start |
10073.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].end |
10075.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].text |
然後能夠做到FPIC |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].start |
10075.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].end |
10077.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].text |
自由事前之前同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].start |
10077.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].end |
10079.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].text |
這個是已經是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].start |
10079.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].end |
10081.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].text |
聯合國全世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].start |
10081.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].end |
10083.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].text |
一個很普遍的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].start |
10083.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].end |
10085.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].text |
我希望我們的學術界 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].start |
10085.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].end |
10087.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].text |
能夠共同的來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].start |
10087.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].end |
10089.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].text |
所以我今天其實來最主要就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].start |
10089.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].end |
10091.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].text |
為什麼我們需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].start |
10091.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].end |
10093.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].text |
原住民族的研究學門 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].start |
10093.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].end |
10095.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].text |
因為原住民族研究不等於原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].start |
10095.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].end |
10097.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].text |
做出來的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].start |
10097.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].end |
10099.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].text |
大家都可以做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].start |
10098.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].end |
10100.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].text |
而且原住民族研究的方法論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].start |
10100.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].end |
10102.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].text |
跟研究倫理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].start |
10102.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].end |
10104.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].text |
其實是沒有辦法在目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].start |
10104.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].end |
10106.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].text |
任何學門沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].start |
10107.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].end |
10109.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].text |
有這樣的規範去含納 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].start |
10111.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].end |
10113.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].text |
所以它是一個很獨特的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].start |
10113.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].end |
10115.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].text |
所以我們一直強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].start |
10115.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].end |
10117.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].text |
我們希望成為一個正式的學門 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].start |
10117.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].end |
10119.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].text |
然後國家常態性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].start |
10119.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].end |
10121.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].text |
科研分類具有正式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].start |
10121.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].end |
10123.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].text |
學術地位長期穩定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].start |
10123.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].end |
10125.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].text |
基礎研究的資金投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].start |
10125.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].end |
10127.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].text |
然後透過嚴格的同儕審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].start |
10127.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].end |
10129.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].text |
產生客觀正確 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].start |
10129.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].end |
10131.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].text |
可用於AI訓練的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].start |
10131.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].end |
10133.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].text |
系統性知識 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].start |
10133.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].end |
10135.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].text |
提供AI這個大水庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].start |
10135.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].end |
10137.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].text |
乾淨的水源 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].start |
10137.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].end |
10139.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].text |
因為我們不希望AI複製 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].start |
10139.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].end |
10141.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].text |
歧視複製錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].start |
10141.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].end |
10143.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].text |
這個是我們今天為什麼特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].start |
10143.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].end |
10145.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].text |
要在這邊來請我們的中研院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].start |
10145.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].end |
10147.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].text |
請國科會請書發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].start |
10147.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].end |
10149.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].text |
我們是不是共同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].start |
10149.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].end |
10151.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].text |
來成立一個平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].start |
10151.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].end |
10153.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].text |
就我剛才所談的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].start |
10153.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].end |
10155.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].text |
學門還有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].start |
10155.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].end |
10157.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].text |
在我們建置AI |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].start |
10157.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].end |
10159.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].text |
餘料庫的時候原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].start |
10159.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].end |
10161.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].text |
不能被邊緣化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].start |
10160.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].end |
10162.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].text |
我們很多的乾淨的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].start |
10162.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].end |
10164.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].text |
水庫正確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].start |
10164.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].end |
10166.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].text |
我希望都能夠把它建置起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].start |
10166.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].end |
10168.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].text |
那不曉得這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].start |
10168.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].end |
10170.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].text |
有沒有辦法三個月內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].start |
10170.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].end |
10172.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].text |
給我你們的一個平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].start |
10172.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].end |
10174.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].text |
討論的一個成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].start |
10178.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].end |
10180.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].text |
好 我們三個月內提供報告 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].start |
10189.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].end |
10191.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].text |
預計要怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].start |
10191.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].end |
10193.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].text |
要怎麼投入資源經費這樣可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].start |
10194.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].end |
10196.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].start |
10194.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].end |
10196.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].start |
10196.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].end |
10198.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].start |
10198.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].end |
10200.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].text |
好 謝謝吳立華 趙薇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].start |
10200.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].end |
10202.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].text |
好 三位請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].start |
10209.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].end |
10213.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].text |
好 接下來有請蔡春筹委員進行詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].start |
10226.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].end |
10228.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].start |
10228.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].end |
10230.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].text |
各位同仁大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].start |
10230.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].end |
10232.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].text |
有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].start |
10232.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].end |
10234.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].text |
三個部會的代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].start |
10234.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].end |
10236.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].text |
好 請三個部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].start |
10236.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].end |
10238.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].text |
機關代表上備巡台 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].start |
10247.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].end |
10249.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].text |
不能走 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].start |
10250.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].end |
10252.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].text |
三位代表大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].start |
10252.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].end |
10254.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].text |
今天我要針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].start |
10254.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].end |
10256.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].text |
AI暗潮中的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].start |
10256.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].end |
10258.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].text |
產業結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].start |
10258.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].end |
10260.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].text |
與人文深度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].start |
10260.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].end |
10262.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].text |
失衡的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].start |
10262.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].end |
10264.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].text |
提出質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].start |
10264.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].end |
10266.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].text |
首先我們請國科會的副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].start |
10266.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].end |
10268.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].text |
副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].start |
10268.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].end |
10270.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].text |
我在先前在經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].start |
10270.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].end |
10272.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].text |
在做質詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].start |
10272.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].end |
10274.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].text |
曾經有說過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].start |
10274.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].end |
10276.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].text |
執行過運動產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].start |
10276.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].end |
10278.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].text |
那我們台灣的運動產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].start |
10278.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].end |
10280.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].text |
就是球拍球鞋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].start |
10280.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].end |
10282.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].text |
或者是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].start |
10282.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].end |
10284.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].text |
自行車的出口的殘值 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].start |
10284.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].end |
10286.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].text |
就是全球明媚全茅的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].start |
10286.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].end |
10288.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].start |
10288.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].end |
10290.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].text |
我們談到AI |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].start |
10290.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].end |
10292.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].text |
跟軟體應用的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].start |
10292.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].end |
10294.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].text |
情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].start |
10294.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].end |
10296.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].text |
讓人非常非常的失望 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].start |
10296.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].end |
10298.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].text |
目前的一個情況是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].start |
10298.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].end |
10300.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].text |
政府投入了大量的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].start |
10300.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].end |
10302.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].text |
預算來做AI的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].start |
10302.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].end |
10304.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].text |
補助計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].start |
10304.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].end |
10306.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].text |
但是結案之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].start |
10306.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].end |
10308.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].text |
政府沒有看到一堆的研究報告成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].start |
10308.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].end |
10310.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].start |
10310.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].end |
10312.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].text |
卻沒有看到具體的出口產值 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].start |
10312.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].end |
10314.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].text |
那反觀 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].start |
10314.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].end |
10316.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].text |
來自中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].start |
10316.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].end |
10318.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].text |
一個高德地 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].start |
10318.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].end |
10320.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].text |
地圖的APP |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].start |
10320.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].end |
10322.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].text |
近期在台灣的市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].start |
10322.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].end |
10324.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].text |
引起了先南大波 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].start |
10324.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].end |
10326.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].text |
他們憑藉著紅藝燈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].start |
10326.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].end |
10328.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].text |
倒數 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].start |
10328.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].end |
10330.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].text |
還有車道的一個導航 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].start |
10330.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].end |
10332.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].text |
就已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].start |
10332.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].end |
10334.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].text |
有非常強大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].start |
10334.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].end |
10336.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].text |
AI的演算法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].start |
10336.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].end |
10338.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].text |
直接衝擊了我們對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].start |
10338.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].end |
10340.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].text |
對岸的一個軟體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].start |
10340.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].end |
10342.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].text |
發展跟導航的一個軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].start |
10342.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].end |
10344.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].text |
智慧的這樣的一個思維 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].start |
10344.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].end |
10346.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].text |
那我要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].start |
10346.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].end |
10348.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].text |
副主委的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].start |
10348.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].end |
10350.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].text |
上週總執行的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].start |
10350.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].end |
10352.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].text |
國會他們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].start |
10352.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].end |
10354.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].text |
他們有信心做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].start |
10354.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].end |
10356.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].text |
比高德還要好那國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].start |
10356.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].end |
10358.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].text |
你的看法呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].start |
10361.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].end |
10363.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].text |
好包容我們也 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].start |
10363.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].end |
10365.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].text |
其實我們除了學術界 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].start |
10365.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].end |
10367.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].text |
在推動AI的研發之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].start |
10367.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].end |
10369.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].text |
我們也很積極的推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].start |
10369.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].end |
10371.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].text |
學術界跟產業的合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].start |
10371.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].end |
10373.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].text |
希望能夠推動AI到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].start |
10373.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].end |
10375.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].text |
百工百業去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].start |
10375.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].end |
10377.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].text |
所以這個地方其實我們是真的很努力在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].start |
10377.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].end |
10379.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].text |
積極在推動當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].start |
10379.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].end |
10381.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].text |
我們也很有信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].start |
10381.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].end |
10383.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].text |
以台灣目前的人才跟產業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].start |
10383.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].end |
10385.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].text |
狀況應該是有機會可以走的到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].start |
10385.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].end |
10387.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].start |
10387.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].end |
10389.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].text |
我們期待我們可以看到我們軟體的一個產值 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].start |
10389.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].end |
10391.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].text |
最主要是說我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].start |
10391.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].end |
10393.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].text |
我們國家已經投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].start |
10393.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].end |
10395.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].text |
這樣的一個金會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].start |
10395.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].end |
10397.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].text |
不少但是我們希望能夠看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].start |
10397.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].end |
10399.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].text |
跟硬體一樣的那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].start |
10399.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].end |
10401.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].text |
量力的一個產值 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].start |
10401.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].end |
10403.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].text |
所以這個是我很擔心的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].start |
10406.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].end |
10408.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].text |
為什麼別人能夠把AI做成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].start |
10408.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].end |
10410.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].text |
全世界有感的一個APP的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].start |
10410.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].end |
10412.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].text |
跟軟體服務那我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].start |
10412.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].end |
10414.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].text |
剩下我們都是在寫一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].start |
10414.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].end |
10416.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].text |
程式那看到一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].start |
10416.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].end |
10418.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].text |
結果報告所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].start |
10418.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].end |
10420.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].text |
我們台灣不要一直 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].start |
10420.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].end |
10422.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].text |
停留在製造業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].start |
10422.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].end |
10424.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].text |
一個思維只會做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].start |
10424.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].end |
10426.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].text |
AI晶片的一個伺服器 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].start |
10426.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].end |
10428.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].text |
然後呢而且沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].start |
10428.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].end |
10430.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].text |
自己做一個軟體的靈魂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].start |
10430.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].end |
10432.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].text |
那我們永遠就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].start |
10432.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].end |
10434.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].text |
只做別人的一個代工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].start |
10434.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].end |
10436.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].text |
那副主委你的看法呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].start |
10439.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].end |
10441.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].text |
各位報告的確是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].start |
10441.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].end |
10443.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].text |
所以我們也是很積極在推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].start |
10443.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].end |
10445.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].text |
培育系統人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].start |
10445.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].end |
10447.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].text |
培育更高端的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].start |
10447.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].end |
10449.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].text |
應用的人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].start |
10449.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].end |
10451.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].text |
那希望能夠推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].start |
10451.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].end |
10453.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].text |
協助推動這個軟體的部分謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].start |
10453.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].end |
10455.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].text |
好那我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].start |
10455.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].end |
10457.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].text |
請我們國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].start |
10457.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].end |
10459.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].text |
就是加油啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].start |
10459.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].end |
10461.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].text |
那我們來邀請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].start |
10461.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].end |
10463.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].text |
眾議院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].start |
10463.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].end |
10465.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].text |
我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].start |
10465.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].end |
10467.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].text |
有幾個觀點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].start |
10467.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].end |
10469.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].text |
我們提到台灣社會長期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].start |
10469.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].end |
10471.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].text |
這個是在中研院的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].start |
10471.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].end |
10473.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].text |
院長說那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].start |
10473.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].end |
10475.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].text |
專訪的時候有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].start |
10475.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].end |
10477.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].text |
台灣社會長期是重工商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].start |
10477.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].end |
10479.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].text |
然後呢輕文理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].start |
10479.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].end |
10481.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].text |
那在人文學科 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].start |
10481.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].end |
10483.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].text |
的一個核心價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].start |
10483.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].end |
10485.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].text |
在於是在培養具體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].start |
10485.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].end |
10487.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].text |
一個格局跟視野的一個領導者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].start |
10487.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].end |
10489.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].text |
那這與我們之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].start |
10489.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].end |
10491.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].text |
觀察不謀而合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].start |
10491.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].end |
10493.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].text |
那AI的發展不能排斥 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].start |
10493.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].end |
10495.75 |
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人文那 |
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10495.75 |
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10497.75 |
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最近兩岸的一個文化對談 |
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10497.75 |
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10499.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].text |
也有提到人類的審美 |
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10499.75 |
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10501.75 |
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是最後的一個防線 |
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10501.75 |
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10503.75 |
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AI可以生成 |
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10503.75 |
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10505.75 |
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大量的一個知識 |
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10505.75 |
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10507.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].text |
但是呢無法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].start |
10507.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].end |
10509.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].text |
注入人生的一個經驗 |
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10509.75 |
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10511.75 |
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還有呢中研院目前也編列 |
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10511.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].end |
10513.75 |
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了1.2億的一個預算 |
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10513.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].end |
10515.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].text |
要補助AI在 |
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10515.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].end |
10517.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].text |
人文跟科學的一個創新 |
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10517.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].end |
10519.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].text |
應用那例如 |
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10519.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].end |
10521.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].text |
用AI來 |
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10521.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].end |
10523.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].text |
來揭發一首歷史的文本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].start |
10523.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].end |
10525.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].text |
或者是發展多模態 |
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10525.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].end |
10527.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].text |
多模態的一個基礎跟模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].start |
10527.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].end |
10529.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].text |
那請問副院長 |
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10529.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].end |
10531.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].text |
除了對目前的一個計畫 |
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10531.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].end |
10533.75 |
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我們有沒有 |
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10533.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].end |
10535.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].text |
更具體的做法 |
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10535.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].end |
10537.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].text |
讓這一批1.2億的這個 |
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10537.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].end |
10539.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].text |
經費預算下 |
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10539.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].end |
10541.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].text |
能夠產出協助論文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].start |
10541.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].end |
10543.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].text |
如何讓主權AI |
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10543.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].end |
10545.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].text |
真正的以台灣的自由民主 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].start |
10545.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].end |
10547.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].text |
一個創意結合 |
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10547.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].end |
10549.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].text |
創造出寄備 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].start |
10549.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].end |
10551.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].text |
台灣價值能產出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].start |
10551.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].end |
10553.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].text |
商業產值的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].start |
10553.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].end |
10555.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].text |
人文AI的典範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].start |
10555.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].end |
10557.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].text |
謝謝蔡委員的關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].start |
10557.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].end |
10559.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].text |
我想我們廖院長是特別關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].start |
10559.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].end |
10561.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].text |
所以過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].start |
10561.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].end |
10563.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].text |
兩年來我們特別有撥一筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].start |
10563.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].end |
10565.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].text |
預算在人文這一塊 |
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10565.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].end |
10567.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].text |
那原來中研就已經有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].start |
10567.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].end |
10569.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].text |
數位 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].start |
10569.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].end |
10571.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].text |
數位中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].start |
10571.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].end |
10573.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].text |
那它已經有資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].start |
10573.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].end |
10575.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].text |
但是呢就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].start |
10575.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].end |
10577.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].text |
我過去的瞭解是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].start |
10577.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].end |
10579.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].text |
我們在民主的部分發展不可能那麼快的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].start |
10579.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].end |
10581.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].text |
原因是比如說剛才說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].start |
10581.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].end |
10583.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].text |
解鎖這個日治時代的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].start |
10583.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].end |
10585.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].text |
一個文本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].start |
10585.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].end |
10587.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].text |
我終於我下去瞭解了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].start |
10587.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].end |
10589.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].text |
原因是在比如說像民主所做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].start |
10589.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].end |
10591.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].text |
這個戶籍成本他們是用手寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].start |
10591.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].end |
10593.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].text |
不像我們這個用Word |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].start |
10593.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].end |
10595.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].text |
用PDF馬上可以念 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].start |
10595.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].end |
10597.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].text |
他用手寫的不同的戶政人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].start |
10597.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].end |
10599.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].text |
的筆記不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].start |
10599.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].end |
10601.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].text |
所以他必須要有一些時間去判讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].start |
10601.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].end |
10603.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].text |
那這部分我們在持續的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].start |
10603.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].end |
10605.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].text |
在努力應該是會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].start |
10605.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].end |
10607.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].text |
這個學習會越來越快 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].start |
10607.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].end |
10609.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].text |
好這個也是我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].start |
10609.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].end |
10611.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].text |
院長承諾的就是要把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].start |
10611.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].end |
10613.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].text |
用AI的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].start |
10613.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].end |
10615.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].text |
來詮釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].start |
10615.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].end |
10617.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].text |
那最後呢我請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].start |
10617.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].end |
10619.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].text |
速發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].start |
10619.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].end |
10621.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].text |
今天請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].start |
10621.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].end |
10623.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].text |
次長我要引用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].start |
10623.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].end |
10625.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].text |
金龍時報的一個最新數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].start |
10625.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].end |
10627.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].text |
在亞太地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].start |
10627.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].end |
10629.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].text |
有五百大高成長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].start |
10629.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].end |
10631.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].text |
新創的公司當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].start |
10631.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].end |
10633.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].text |
新加坡跟印度各 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].start |
10633.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].end |
10635.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].text |
有101家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].start |
10635.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].end |
10637.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].text |
南韓有79家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].start |
10637.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].end |
10639.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].text |
那次長你要不要猜猜看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].start |
10639.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].end |
10641.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].text |
我們臺灣有幾家入版 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].start |
10642.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].end |
10644.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].start |
10644.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].end |
10646.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].text |
就是這個圖上是顯示16家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].start |
10646.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].end |
10648.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].text |
16家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].start |
10648.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].end |
10650.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].text |
是16家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].start |
10650.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].end |
10652.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].text |
那次長你要不要再猜猜看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].start |
10652.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].end |
10654.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].text |
我們臺灣進入100名的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].start |
10654.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].end |
10656.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].text |
有幾家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].start |
10658.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].end |
10660.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].text |
不太清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].start |
10660.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].end |
10662.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].text |
我們臺灣前100名 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].start |
10662.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].end |
10664.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].text |
當中臺灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].start |
10664.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].end |
10666.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].text |
竟然只有一家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].start |
10666.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].end |
10668.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].text |
而且排名在97名 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].start |
10668.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].end |
10670.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].text |
那這說明了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].start |
10670.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].end |
10672.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].text |
在AI快速的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].start |
10672.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].end |
10674.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].text |
融入商業改變經營 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].start |
10674.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].end |
10676.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].text |
模式的一個當下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].start |
10676.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].end |
10678.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].text |
那臺灣的腳步 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].start |
10678.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].end |
10680.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].text |
遠輸於日韓還有印度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].start |
10680.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].end |
10682.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].text |
新加坡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].start |
10682.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].end |
10684.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].text |
那我想要問次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].start |
10684.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].end |
10686.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].text |
我們在發展AI這個產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].start |
10686.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].end |
10688.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].text |
到底是在幫助中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].start |
10688.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].end |
10690.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].text |
來降低成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].start |
10690.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].end |
10692.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].text |
還是要花費創意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].start |
10692.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].end |
10694.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].text |
或者是淪為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].start |
10694.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].end |
10696.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].text |
大責恨大的一個幫凶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].start |
10697.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].end |
10699.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].text |
我們請副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].start |
10699.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].end |
10701.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].start |
10701.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].end |
10703.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].text |
我們數發部在採用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].start |
10703.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].end |
10705.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].text |
五大政策工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].start |
10705.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].end |
10707.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].text |
不論是人才資料算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].start |
10707.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].end |
10709.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].text |
行銷或者是資金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].start |
10709.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].end |
10711.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].text |
這五個政策工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].start |
10711.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].end |
10713.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].text |
面向上都非常對準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].start |
10713.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].end |
10715.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].text |
中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].start |
10715.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].end |
10717.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].text |
因為我們是在協助從算力上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].start |
10717.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].end |
10719.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].text |
降低中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].start |
10719.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].end |
10721.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].text |
投入AI研發的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].start |
10721.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].end |
10723.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].text |
我們提供免費的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].start |
10723.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].end |
10725.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].text |
算力讓中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].start |
10725.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].end |
10727.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].text |
可以進入研發的環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].start |
10727.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].end |
10729.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].text |
那人才上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].start |
10729.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].end |
10731.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].text |
我們也特別針對中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].start |
10731.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].end |
10733.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].text |
能夠去提供他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].start |
10733.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].end |
10735.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].text |
需要的人才的培訓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].start |
10735.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].end |
10737.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].text |
包括獎勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].start |
10737.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].end |
10739.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].text |
補助這些機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].start |
10739.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].end |
10741.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].text |
那在新創上面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].start |
10741.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].end |
10743.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].text |
這個資金百億資金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].start |
10743.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].end |
10745.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].text |
的投入也是針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].start |
10745.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].end |
10747.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].text |
新創的這個公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].start |
10747.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].end |
10749.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].text |
去做投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].start |
10749.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].end |
10751.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].text |
畢竟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].start |
10751.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].end |
10753.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].text |
大公司跟小公司還是有差別 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].start |
10753.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].end |
10755.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].text |
那小公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].start |
10755.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].end |
10757.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].text |
他的一個資源比較少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].start |
10757.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].end |
10759.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].text |
我們也希望說真的能夠協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].start |
10759.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].end |
10761.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].text |
我們中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].start |
10761.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].end |
10763.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].text |
那最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].start |
10765.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].end |
10767.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].text |
我希望呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].start |
10768.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].end |
10770.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].text |
第一能夠落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].start |
10770.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].end |
10772.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].text |
軟體的一個產值的考核 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].start |
10772.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].end |
10774.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].text |
我們行政部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].start |
10774.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].end |
10776.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].text |
應該要重新來檢討AI |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].start |
10776.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].end |
10778.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].text |
補助的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].start |
10778.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].end |
10780.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].text |
那不能只能看原化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].start |
10780.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].end |
10782.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].text |
只能只看原化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].start |
10782.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].end |
10784.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].text |
然後最後就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].start |
10784.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].end |
10786.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].text |
軟體的一個出口 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].start |
10786.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].end |
10788.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].text |
還有商用化的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].start |
10788.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].end |
10790.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].text |
產值我們還是要強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].start |
10790.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].end |
10792.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].text |
第二要強化人文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].start |
10792.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].end |
10794.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].text |
AI的一個轉化機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].start |
10794.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].end |
10796.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].text |
請中研院思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].start |
10796.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].end |
10798.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].text |
如何讓研究跟技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].start |
10798.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].end |
10800.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].text |
能夠落實到生活文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].start |
10800.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].end |
10802.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].text |
還有運動產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].start |
10802.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].end |
10804.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].text |
的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].start |
10807.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].end |
10809.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].text |
的一個具體的藍圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].start |
10809.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].end |
10811.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].text |
第三我們要縮短AI |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].start |
10811.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].end |
10813.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].text |
造成的一個數位的紅鍋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].start |
10813.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].end |
10815.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].text |
那政府應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].start |
10815.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].end |
10817.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].text |
針對那九成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].start |
10817.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].end |
10819.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].text |
五感的非科技 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].start |
10819.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].end |
10821.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].text |
業的勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].start |
10821.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].end |
10823.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].text |
利用AI |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].start |
10823.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].end |
10825.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].text |
AI的工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].start |
10825.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].end |
10827.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].text |
來提升他們一個產值跟薪資 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].start |
10827.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].end |
10829.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].text |
而會讓AI |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].start |
10829.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].end |
10831.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].text |
是把那個貧窮差距 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].start |
10831.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].end |
10833.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].text |
拉的更大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].start |
10833.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].end |
10835.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].text |
這是我們期待的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].start |
10835.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].end |
10837.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].text |
那台灣不能只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].start |
10837.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].end |
10839.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].text |
台積電這樣一座 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].start |
10839.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].end |
10841.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].text |
孤山我們需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].start |
10841.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].end |
10843.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].text |
需要整片充滿 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].start |
10843.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].end |
10845.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].text |
創意以人文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].start |
10845.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].end |
10847.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].text |
抵應的一個綠洲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].start |
10847.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].end |
10849.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].text |
那我們大家一起努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].start |
10849.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].end |
10851.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].start |
10852.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].end |
10854.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].text |
好謝謝蔡春筹委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].start |
10854.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].end |
10856.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].text |
請官員回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].start |
10856.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].end |
10858.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].text |
下一位有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].start |
10858.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].end |
10860.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].text |
羅志強委員進行詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].start |
10865.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].end |
10867.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].text |
主席有請國科會陳彬宇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].start |
10867.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].end |
10869.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].text |
副主委 速發部侯怡秀 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].start |
10869.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].end |
10871.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].text |
次長 中研院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].start |
10871.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].end |
10873.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].text |
彭信坤副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].start |
10873.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].end |
10875.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].text |
好請三個機關代表上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].start |
10875.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].end |
10877.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].text |
備裙台 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].start |
10879.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].end |
10881.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].text |
多人好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].start |
10881.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].end |
10883.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].text |
揮達執行長黃仁勳表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].start |
10883.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].end |
10885.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].text |
各國必須擁有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].start |
10885.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].end |
10887.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].text |
獨立的AI基礎建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].start |
10887.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].end |
10889.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].text |
重要性已經超越 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].start |
10889.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].end |
10891.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].text |
發展原子彈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].start |
10891.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].end |
10893.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].text |
他認為建立AI基礎建設對國家而言 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].start |
10893.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].end |
10895.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].text |
是絕對必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].start |
10895.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].end |
10897.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].text |
是贏得全球競賽的關鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].start |
10897.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].end |
10899.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].text |
那全球至少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].start |
10899.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].end |
10901.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].text |
已經有20個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].start |
10901.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].end |
10903.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].text |
著手推動主權AI |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].start |
10903.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].end |
10905.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].text |
那台灣當然不能缺席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].start |
10905.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].end |
10907.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].text |
所以本席先肯定兩件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].start |
10907.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].end |
10909.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].text |
第一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].start |
10909.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].end |
10911.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].text |
國科會的國網雲端 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].start |
10911.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].end |
10913.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].text |
算力中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].start |
10913.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].end |
10915.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].text |
要打造主權AI的算力基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].start |
10915.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].end |
10917.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].text |
這一步本來就應該要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].start |
10917.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].end |
10919.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].text |
也算是走在前面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].start |
10919.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].end |
10921.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].text |
這是第一個要肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].start |
10921.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].end |
10923.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].text |
那第二個 中研院跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].start |
10923.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].end |
10925.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].text |
速發部合作要釋出超過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].start |
10925.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].end |
10927.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].text |
620萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].start |
10927.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].end |
10929.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].text |
資源的研究與 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].start |
10929.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].end |
10931.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].text |
科普文本來上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].start |
10931.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].end |
10933.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].text |
台灣主權AI訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].start |
10933.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].end |
10935.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].text |
與料庫也願意把多年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].start |
10935.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].end |
10937.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].text |
累積的學術成果拿出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].start |
10937.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].end |
10939.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].text |
資源本土訓練模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].start |
10939.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].end |
10941.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].text |
這一點我也覺得肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].start |
10941.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].end |
10943.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].text |
但我們也看到黃仁勳執行長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].start |
10943.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].end |
10945.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].text |
他提出的五層蛋糕理論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].start |
10945.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].end |
10947.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].text |
最底層就是電力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].start |
10947.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].end |
10949.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].text |
那AI運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].start |
10949.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].end |
10951.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].text |
都要電力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].start |
10951.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].end |
10953.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].text |
那能源是萬物之機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].start |
10953.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].end |
10955.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].text |
所以決定AI系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].start |
10955.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].end |
10957.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].text |
產出多少智慧的根本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].start |
10957.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].end |
10959.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].text |
就是電力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].start |
10959.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].end |
10961.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].start |
10961.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].end |
10963.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].text |
AI時代算力就是國力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].start |
10963.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].end |
10965.6 |
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那我想要請教一下 |
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10965.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].end |
10967.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].text |
台灣現在能源結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].start |
10967.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].end |
10969.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].text |
足以支應AI |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].start |
10969.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].end |
10971.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].text |
發展所需要的龐大電力嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].start |
10973.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].end |
10975.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].text |
評估過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].start |
10975.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].end |
10977.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].text |
各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].start |
10977.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].end |
10979.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].text |
在我們國網中心所建置的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].start |
10979.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].end |
10981.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].text |
算力中心當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].start |
10981.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].end |
10983.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].text |
我們其實都有做電力的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].start |
10983.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].end |
10985.22 |
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那基本上是OK的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].start |
10985.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].end |
10987.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].text |
是OK的 我看到你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].start |
10987.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].end |
10989.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].text |
等於是短短三年間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].start |
10989.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].end |
10991.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].text |
AI算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].start |
10991.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].end |
10993.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].text |
台中院的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].start |
10993.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].end |
10995.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].text |
台灣目前有36座資料中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].start |
10995.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].end |
10997.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].start |
10997.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].end |
10999.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].text |
三年內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].start |
10999.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].end |
11001.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].text |
AI的算力中心的電力 |
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11001.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].end |
11003.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].text |
負載規模將是目前的7.5倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].start |
11003.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].end |
11005.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].text |
所以把這些都算進去 |
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11005.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].end |
11007.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].text |
你仍然覺得電力是夠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].start |
11009.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].end |
11011.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].text |
各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].start |
11011.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].end |
11013.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].text |
在國科會掌握的部分當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].start |
11013.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].end |
11015.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].text |
我們其實都有做盤電 |
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11015.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].end |
11017.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].text |
那如果核電 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].start |
11017.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].end |
11019.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].text |
沒有重啟夠嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].start |
11019.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].end |
11021.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].text |
也有評估嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].start |
11022.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].end |
11024.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].text |
這評估是把核電重啟算進去 |
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11024.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].end |
11026.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].text |
還是沒算進去 |
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11026.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].end |
11028.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].text |
各位報告因為我們等算力中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].start |
11028.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].end |
11030.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].text |
之前在建置的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].start |
11030.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].end |
11032.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].text |
應該是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].start |
11033.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].end |
11035.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].text |
之前沙崙的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].start |
11035.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].end |
11037.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].text |
還沒有把核電重啟這件事情考慮進去 |
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11037.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].end |
11039.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].text |
其實就已經是夠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].start |
11039.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].end |
11041.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].text |
就夠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].start |
11041.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].end |
11043.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].text |
所以我們現在政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].start |
11043.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].end |
11045.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].text |
在計算電力的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].start |
11045.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].end |
11047.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].text |
想要重啟核三核電 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].start |
11047.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].end |
11049.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].text |
因為缺電不包括我們AI算力的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].start |
11051.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].end |
11053.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].text |
電當然是大水庫 |
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11053.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].end |
11055.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].text |
也沒有說什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].start |
11055.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].end |
11057.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].text |
你的電夠不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].start |
11057.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].end |
11059.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].text |
也不是說我們的電力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].start |
11059.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].end |
11061.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].text |
跟AI算力就夠了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].start |
11061.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].end |
11063.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].text |
AI算力是佔電力大餅的一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].start |
11063.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].end |
11065.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].text |
所以我覺得國科會還是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].start |
11065.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].end |
11067.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].text |
整個去評估 |
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11067.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].end |
11069.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].text |
不是說你現在去看電力規模 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].start |
11069.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].end |
11071.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].text |
而是去評估整體電力成長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].start |
11071.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].end |
11073.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].text |
包括AI電力成長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].start |
11073.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].end |
11075.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].text |
加進來的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].start |
11075.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].end |
11077.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].text |
要是根據實際的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].start |
11077.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].end |
11079.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].text |
來去評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].start |
11079.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].end |
11081.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].text |
好那麼接下來我想請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].start |
11081.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].end |
11083.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].text |
去年底 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].start |
11083.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].end |
11085.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].text |
在YouTube的影片當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].start |
11085.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].end |
11087.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].text |
有一個有萬人訂閱的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].start |
11087.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].end |
11089.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].text |
陳志明醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].start |
11089.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].end |
11091.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].text |
他宣稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].start |
11090.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].end |
11092.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].text |
北龍跟台大醫院發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].start |
11092.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].end |
11094.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].text |
糖尿病的致病元兇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].start |
11094.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].end |
11096.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].text |
而且要用革命性的細菌療法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].start |
11096.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].end |
11098.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].text |
就可以治癒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].start |
11098.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].end |
11100.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].text |
那另外也有影片在網路流傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].start |
11100.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].end |
11102.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].text |
台大醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].start |
11102.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].end |
11104.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].text |
肺癌的全威醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].start |
11104.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].end |
11106.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].text |
推薦一款可逆轉肺功能的藥物 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].start |
11106.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].end |
11108.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].text |
以及社群平台上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].start |
11108.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].end |
11110.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].text |
出現長庚知名中醫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].start |
11110.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].end |
11112.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].text |
推薦宣稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].start |
11112.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].end |
11114.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].text |
可以改善糖尿病及四肢水腫藥物的廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].start |
11114.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].end |
11116.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].text |
三種眼科明醫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].start |
11116.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].end |
11118.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].text |
推薦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].start |
11118.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].end |
11120.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].text |
三種眼科明醫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].start |
11120.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].end |
11122.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].text |
推薦眼藥水 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].start |
11122.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].end |
11124.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].text |
我想請教我們抒發部的侯次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].start |
11124.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].end |
11126.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].text |
我剛剛講這些影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].start |
11126.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].end |
11128.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].text |
你知道有什麼跟廣告什麼共通之處嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].start |
11130.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].end |
11134.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].text |
就是以專門職業去進行廣告嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].start |
11135.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].end |
11137.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].text |
這些都算鬧的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].start |
11137.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].end |
11139.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].text |
大家都沸沸揚揚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].start |
11139.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].end |
11141.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].text |
抒發部也要稍微了解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].start |
11141.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].end |
11143.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].text |
實際現在的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].start |
11143.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].end |
11145.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].text |
都是AI生成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].start |
11145.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].end |
11147.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].text |
我剛剛講都是AI生成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].start |
11147.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].end |
11149.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].text |
以身為的假人或假冒的名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].start |
11149.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].end |
11151.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].text |
傳播不實訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].start |
11151.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].end |
11153.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].text |
甚至賣假藥詐騙 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].start |
11153.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].end |
11155.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].text |
那知道隨著人工智慧的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].start |
11155.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].end |
11157.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].text |
日益發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].start |
11157.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].end |
11159.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].text |
AI生成內容真的已經快 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].start |
11159.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].end |
11161.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].text |
越來越真偽難辨了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].start |
11161.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].end |
11163.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].text |
那很容易讓人物誤信為真 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].start |
11163.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].end |
11165.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].text |
我看到對岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].start |
11165.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].end |
11167.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].text |
在去年九月有強制規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].start |
11167.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].end |
11171.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].text |
所有AI生成的文字圖片影音的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].start |
11171.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].end |
11173.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].text |
都必須包括顯示標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].start |
11173.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].end |
11175.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].text |
以及影視標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].start |
11175.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].end |
11181.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].text |
那平台在服務提供者的內容上架或上線時要進行審核 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].start |
11181.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].end |
11183.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].text |
檢驗生成合成內容的標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].start |
11183.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].end |
11185.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].text |
否則就要加風險提示 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].start |
11185.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].end |
11187.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].text |
我想請教次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].start |
11187.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].end |
11191.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].text |
針對這種AI生成內容的身為影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].start |
11191.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].end |
11195.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].text |
書發部能不能訂出標示指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].start |
11195.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].end |
11197.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].text |
那具體要怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].start |
11197.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].end |
11201.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].text |
怎麼樣提高內容來源的透明跟辨識性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].start |
11201.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].end |
11203.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].text |
來降低這些身為影片AI影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].start |
11203.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].end |
11207.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].text |
對於公共跟社會安全的危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].start |
11207.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].end |
11209.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].start |
11209.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].end |
11215.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].text |
就是身為影片或說生成式的影片的標註 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].start |
11215.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].end |
11217.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].text |
或生成式內容的標註 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].start |
11217.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].end |
11221.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].text |
我們現在已經在研議這個指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].start |
11221.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].end |
11227.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].text |
就是也同時在跟各個平台來做這個討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].start |
11227.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].end |
11233.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].text |
就是在技術方面能夠做到什麼樣的程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].start |
11233.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].end |
11235.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].text |
就現在這個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].start |
11235.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].end |
11237.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].text |
現在的技術水準可以做到什麼程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].start |
11237.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].end |
11241.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].text |
然後包括了剛剛您提到的這個顯性的標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].start |
11241.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].end |
11243.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].text |
還有影性的標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].start |
11243.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].end |
11249.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].text |
那也包括後面跟平台如果有發現是有偽造 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].start |
11249.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].end |
11251.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].text |
而且造成損害的狀況的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].start |
11251.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].end |
11253.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].text |
需要怎麼樣子的處理機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].start |
11253.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].end |
11257.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].text |
這個我們都已經在進行當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].start |
11257.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].end |
11263.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].text |
我是希望我們書發部還有相關單位腳步要加快 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].start |
11263.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].end |
11269.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].text |
因為AI生成的身為技術已經被廣泛運用在造假炸雞蛋用行為當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].start |
11269.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].end |
11273.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].text |
那你可以看到過去沒有AI技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].start |
11273.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].end |
11277.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].text |
詐騙已經猖獗到這種程度越來越棘手 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].start |
11277.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].end |
11279.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].text |
那現在有AI助力更是如虎添翼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].start |
11279.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].end |
11285.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].text |
所以要拜託書發部跟相關機關心力儲備的措施腳步緊加快 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].start |
11285.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].end |
11287.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].text |
好 謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].start |
11288.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].end |
11290.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].text |
謝謝羅志強委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].start |
11290.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].end |
11292.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].text |
請官員回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].start |
11292.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].end |
11296.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].text |
接下來有請羅廷瑋趙委進行詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].start |
11302.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].end |
11304.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].start |
11304.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].end |
11306.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].text |
有請郭各位陳秉宇副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].start |
11306.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].end |
11308.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].text |
中研院彭副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].start |
11310.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].end |
11312.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].text |
書發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].start |
11311.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].end |
11313.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].text |
頭儀秀次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].start |
11313.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].end |
11314.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].start |
11314.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].end |
11316.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].text |
請三個機關代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].start |
11317.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].end |
11319.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].text |
羅廷瑋 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].start |
11319.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].end |
11320.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].text |
好 早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].start |
11320.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].end |
11322.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].text |
首先先請教副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].start |
11322.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].end |
11324.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].text |
用AI生成的文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].start |
11324.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].end |
11326.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].text |
國際期刊目前是否接受投稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].start |
11329.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].end |
11333.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].text |
此外國際間針對AI生成的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].start |
11333.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].end |
11337.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].text |
用於學術、研究、論文、發表 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].start |
11337.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].end |
11340.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].text |
是否已經有相關規範或通行標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].start |
11341.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].end |
11343.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].text |
請搜尋 中文字幕組 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].start |
11343.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].end |
11346.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].text |
目前應該是沒有相關標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].start |
11346.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].end |
11348.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].text |
好 郭各位今天的書面報告的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].start |
11348.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].end |
11351.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].text |
著重於說明推動AI的研發 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].start |
11351.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].end |
11353.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].text |
還有這個科研上的應用效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].start |
11353.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].end |
11355.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].text |
然而就本次專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].start |
11355.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].end |
11359.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].text |
所聚焦的AI研究應用的一個倫理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].start |
11359.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].end |
11361.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].text |
我們這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].start |
11361.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].end |
11363.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].text |
中文院今日的書面報告第六頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].start |
11363.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].end |
11365.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].text |
其實也有相當明確的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].start |
11365.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].end |
11367.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].text |
報告寫呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].start |
11367.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].end |
11370.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].text |
針對運用AI從事學術研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].start |
11370.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].end |
11373.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].text |
以及發表所申的研究倫理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].start |
11373.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].end |
11375.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].text |
以及學術倫理的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].start |
11375.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].end |
11378.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].text |
目前面臨的主要課題就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].start |
11378.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].end |
11380.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].text |
除了訂定參考指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].start |
11380.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].end |
11382.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].text |
等建議性的規範外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].start |
11382.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].end |
11384.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].text |
如何研究、適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].start |
11384.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].end |
11386.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].text |
以及既有相關倫理的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].start |
11386.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].end |
11392.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].text |
例如在指引以要求落實揭露的基礎上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].start |
11392.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].end |
11396.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].text |
使用AI生成的文章是否應該揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].start |
11396.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].end |
11400.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].text |
內容大量使用AI生成的研究成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].start |
11400.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].end |
11402.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].text |
是否構成抄襲 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].start |
11402.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].end |
11407.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].text |
相關機關是否要針對AI訂定新的行為規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].start |
11407.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].end |
11409.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].text |
以供遵循 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].start |
11410.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].end |
11412.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].text |
我想這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].start |
11412.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].end |
11417.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].text |
副院長請問您這裡相關的機關指的是有誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].start |
11417.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].end |
11419.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].text |
我想跟各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].start |
11419.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].end |
11422.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].text |
我們中研已經在開始落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].start |
11422.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].end |
11424.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].text |
任何一個研究計畫送上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].start |
11424.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].end |
11428.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].text |
我們都有辦法用AI目前的軟體去偵測 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].start |
11428.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].end |
11431.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].text |
到底是有多少部分是AI生成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].start |
11431.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].end |
11434.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].text |
多少部分是AI改寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].start |
11434.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].end |
11437.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].text |
那我們都會進一步去追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].start |
11437.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].end |
11439.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].text |
沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].start |
11439.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].end |
11443.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].text |
相關機關要針對AI制定新的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].start |
11443.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].end |
11445.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].text |
你認為是哪個相關機關嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].start |
11445.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].end |
11447.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].text |
規範的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].start |
11447.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].end |
11450.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].text |
目前我們中研自己要求自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].start |
11450.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].end |
11452.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].text |
其他學界的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].start |
11452.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].end |
11457.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].text |
我想應該要科技部跟教育部來共同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].start |
11457.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].end |
11459.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].text |
應該要國科會吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].start |
11459.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].end |
11462.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].text |
羅偉我們現在面對很多的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].start |
11462.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].end |
11465.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].text |
就要各個學門來形成共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].start |
11465.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].end |
11469.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].text |
比如說過去翻譯的文章算是個研究成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].start |
11469.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].end |
11471.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].text |
它只寫說易助 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].start |
11471.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].end |
11473.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].text |
現在用AI翻譯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].start |
11473.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].end |
11477.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].text |
到底它的那個osmship怎麼去算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].start |
11477.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].end |
11479.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].text |
它的query怎麼去算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].start |
11479.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].end |
11481.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].text |
標準在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].start |
11481.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].end |
11483.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].text |
這個部分上要大量討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].start |
11483.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].end |
11485.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].text |
要來研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].start |
11485.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].end |
11487.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].text |
沒有說一刀切一定可以一定不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].start |
11487.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].end |
11490.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].text |
但是透過討論我們來訂定一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].start |
11490.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].end |
11492.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].text |
有機可循 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].start |
11492.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].end |
11494.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].text |
所以副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].start |
11494.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].end |
11496.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].text |
針對中研院的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].start |
11496.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].end |
11498.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].text |
請問是否需要將AI訂定新的行為規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].start |
11500.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].end |
11502.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].text |
各位委員會報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].start |
11502.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].end |
11504.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].text |
其實國科會我們一直都有在針對AI |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].start |
11504.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].end |
11506.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].text |
制定一些指引的規定的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].start |
11508.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].end |
11511.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].text |
好我認同中研院報告所指出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].start |
11511.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].end |
11513.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].text |
AI確實有助學術發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].start |
11513.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].end |
11516.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].text |
提升整個研究的效率品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].start |
11516.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].end |
11518.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].text |
這件事情我們正面看待 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].start |
11518.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].end |
11520.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].text |
但是也肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].start |
11520.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].end |
11522.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].text |
國科會長期推動AI的研發 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].start |
11522.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].end |
11525.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].text |
以及科研所應用的一個努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].start |
11525.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].end |
11527.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].text |
但是現在AI在學術上的應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].start |
11527.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].end |
11530.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].text |
我認為有許多混沌 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].start |
11530.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].end |
11532.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].text |
曖昧的一個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].start |
11532.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].end |
11534.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].text |
我們也要把它拿出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].start |
11534.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].end |
11535.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].text |
好好的去做一個探討 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].start |
11535.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].end |
11537.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].text |
所以我們慢慢來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].start |
11537.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].end |
11539.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].text |
更如何將AI界定清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].start |
11539.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].end |
11541.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].text |
不論對學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].start |
11541.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].end |
11542.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].text |
個人而言 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].start |
11542.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].end |
11543.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].text |
甚至整個學術端 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].start |
11543.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].end |
11544.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].text |
都是有幫助的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].start |
11544.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].end |
11546.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].text |
我想這應該大家都認同吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].start |
11546.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].end |
11547.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].start |
11547.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].end |
11549.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].text |
所以也因為現在大家都使用AI |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].start |
11549.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].end |
11551.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].text |
怎麼樣使用AI是合情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].start |
11551.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].end |
11552.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].text |
合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].start |
11552.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].end |
11553.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].text |
合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].start |
11553.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].end |
11556.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].text |
什麼樣的情形可能涉及學術倫理的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].start |
11556.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].end |
11559.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].text |
我覺得有必要跟大家說清楚講明白 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].start |
11559.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].end |
11561.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].text |
因為如果不講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].start |
11561.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].end |
11563.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].text |
萬一誤觸了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].start |
11563.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].end |
11565.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].text |
整個學者的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].start |
11566.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].end |
11567.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].text |
是不是也會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].start |
11568.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].end |
11569.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].text |
複製流水 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].start |
11569.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].end |
11571.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].text |
所以請問國科會AI生成的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].start |
11571.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].end |
11572.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].text |
怎麼界定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].start |
11574.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].end |
11575.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].text |
有使用到AI就算嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].start |
11576.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].end |
11577.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].text |
應該不是吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].start |
11579.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].end |
11581.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].text |
其實還是回到研究的本質 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].start |
11581.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].end |
11583.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].text |
那AI其實還是一個工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].start |
11583.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].end |
11584.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].text |
它是輔助的工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].start |
11584.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].end |
11586.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].text |
它不應該成為一個研究的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].start |
11586.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].end |
11587.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].start |
11587.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].end |
11590.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].text |
它不能讓研究人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].start |
11590.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].end |
11592.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].text |
拿來怎麼講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].start |
11592.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].end |
11594.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].text |
偷懶或者卸責 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].start |
11594.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].end |
11597.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].text |
這一些不當使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].start |
11597.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].end |
11598.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].text |
我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].start |
11598.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].end |
11599.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].text |
所以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].start |
11599.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].end |
11602.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].text |
我們還是會回到研究的本質 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].start |
11602.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].end |
11604.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].text |
那希望我們的PI |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].start |
11604.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].end |
11607.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].text |
就是可以對他所提出的研究的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].start |
11607.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].end |
11608.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].text |
負責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].start |
11608.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].end |
11610.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].text |
它就算使用了AI工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].start |
11610.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].end |
11611.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].text |
生了圖片也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].start |
11611.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].end |
11612.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].text |
生了文字也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].start |
11612.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].end |
11614.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].text |
它最後還是要做確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].start |
11614.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].end |
11615.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].text |
還是要做負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].start |
11615.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].end |
11618.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].text |
所以AI生成到什麼階段是不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].start |
11619.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].end |
11622.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].text |
我們基本上還是希望能夠界定清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].start |
11624.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].end |
11626.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].text |
跟委員報告應該是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].start |
11626.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].end |
11628.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].text |
不能是說AI生成到什麼程度不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].start |
11628.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].end |
11631.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].text |
應該說就算整篇都是AI生成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].start |
11631.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].end |
11633.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].text |
但是核心的價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].start |
11633.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].end |
11635.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].text |
核心的內容是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].start |
11635.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].end |
11637.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].text |
是它所提出來的原創性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].start |
11637.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].end |
11639.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].text |
然後以及它整篇文章 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].start |
11639.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].end |
11640.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].text |
它還是有負責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].start |
11640.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].end |
11643.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].text |
就算它的文字是經過AI論稿認識 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].start |
11644.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].end |
11647.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].text |
這應該都是還是屬於合理使用範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].start |
11647.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].end |
11648.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].text |
對我就想問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].start |
11648.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].end |
11650.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].text |
就是說它的AI請它論事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].start |
11650.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].end |
11651.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].text |
文章 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].start |
11651.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].end |
11652.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].text |
對字 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].start |
11652.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].end |
11653.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].text |
拿掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].start |
11653.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].end |
11654.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].text |
但基本的核心是它的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].start |
11654.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].end |
11656.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].text |
這有沒有學理問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].start |
11656.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].end |
11658.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].text |
如果今天我們把它定清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].start |
11658.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].end |
11659.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].text |
沒有學理問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].start |
11660.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].end |
11662.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].text |
那基本上大家就比較放心嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].start |
11662.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].end |
11664.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].text |
就是怕會有誤觸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].start |
11664.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].end |
11666.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].text |
或者是有相關的疑慮嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].start |
11666.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].end |
11668.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].text |
其實我今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].start |
11668.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].end |
11671.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].text |
我今天也遇到一個蠻尷尬的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].start |
11671.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].end |
11673.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].text |
我今天大概就是自拍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].start |
11674.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].end |
11676.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].text |
然後我請AI說把我那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].start |
11676.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].end |
11677.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].text |
有一個頭髮 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].start |
11677.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].end |
11679.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].text |
翹起來幫我修掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].start |
11679.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].end |
11681.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].text |
然後我就貼上去臉書 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].start |
11682.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].end |
11685.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].text |
結果它就直接給我上一個AI標籤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].start |
11685.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].end |
11687.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].text |
好像說我沒有到那個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].start |
11687.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].end |
11691.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].text |
然後沒有在那個地點時間出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].start |
11691.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].end |
11692.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].text |
就造成一些誤會啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].start |
11692.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].end |
11694.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].text |
實際上我就趕快拿 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].start |
11694.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].end |
11697.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].text |
CHEPGVT生成的過程跟大家報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].start |
11697.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].end |
11698.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].text |
我在那個時間點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].start |
11698.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].end |
11700.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].text |
我人在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].start |
11700.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].end |
11701.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].text |
只是我的頭髮 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].start |
11701.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].end |
11703.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].text |
就翹起來我請它說修掉以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].start |
11703.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].end |
11705.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].text |
就直接貼了這一個圖片 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].start |
11707.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].end |
11709.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].text |
那就是有所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].start |
11710.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].end |
11712.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].text |
那我們這個都還好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].start |
11712.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].end |
11713.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].text |
這只是一個臉書的貼文 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].start |
11713.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].end |
11715.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].text |
我們不希望是學術研究的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].start |
11715.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].end |
11718.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].text |
會不會有誤解誤觸的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].start |
11718.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].end |
11720.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].text |
所以在學術倫理的一個定定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].start |
11720.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].end |
11722.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].text |
我們希望能夠更加的嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].start |
11723.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].end |
11724.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].text |
不是說嚴苛啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].start |
11724.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].end |
11727.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].text |
是說它有一定的步驟有跡可循 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].start |
11727.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].end |
11728.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].start |
11729.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].end |
11733.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].text |
接下來如果研究成果大量使用AI生成內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].start |
11733.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].end |
11736.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].text |
各位如何認定是否抄襲跟造假的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].start |
11736.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].end |
11738.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].text |
這是我今天很關心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].start |
11739.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].end |
11741.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].text |
所以關於揭露的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].start |
11741.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].end |
11743.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].text |
是否有一致的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].start |
11743.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].end |
11745.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].text |
是否全面揭露要採用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].start |
11746.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].end |
11747.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].text |
還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].start |
11747.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].end |
11749.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].text |
重大影響的採集喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].start |
11749.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].end |
11751.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].text |
這個有沒有具體的指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].start |
11751.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].end |
11752.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].start |
11752.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].end |
11754.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].text |
其實我們都是要求要全面揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].start |
11754.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].end |
11755.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].text |
那沒關係啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].start |
11755.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].end |
11756.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].text |
你訂定清楚嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].start |
11756.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].end |
11757.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].start |
11757.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].end |
11758.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].start |
11758.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].end |
11760.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].text |
我們要的是有跡可循 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].start |
11760.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].end |
11761.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].text |
而不是現在我來指導你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].start |
11761.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].end |
11763.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].text |
什麼樣是對什麼樣是錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].start |
11763.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].end |
11765.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].text |
因為實務上你們更清楚嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].start |
11766.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].end |
11767.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].start |
11767.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].end |
11768.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].start |
11768.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].end |
11771.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].text |
那我想是否有需要將這個AI訂定新的行為規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].start |
11773.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].end |
11775.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].text |
其實這個所謂的AI的行為規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].start |
11775.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].end |
11777.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].text |
跟我們一般的學術倫理的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].start |
11777.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].end |
11778.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].text |
其實是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].start |
11778.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].end |
11779.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].start |
11779.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].end |
11780.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].text |
那所以我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].start |
11781.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].end |
11782.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].text |
還是回到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].start |
11782.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].end |
11784.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].text |
這個所研究人員還是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].start |
11784.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].end |
11785.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].text |
呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].start |
11786.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].end |
11788.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].text |
需要有這個學術的演創性啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].start |
11788.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].end |
11789.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].text |
等等之類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].start |
11789.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].end |
11790.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].start |
11790.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].end |
11791.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].text |
就算使用AI工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].start |
11791.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].end |
11792.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].text |
這跟我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].start |
11792.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].end |
11793.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].text |
呃以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].start |
11793.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].end |
11794.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].text |
這個我們使用其他的工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].start |
11794.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].end |
11796.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].text |
其實是一樣的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].start |
11796.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].end |
11797.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].start |
11797.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].end |
11798.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].text |
跟副主委討論一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].start |
11798.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].end |
11799.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].text |
我認為非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].start |
11799.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].end |
11800.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].text |
但目前喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].start |
11800.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].end |
11802.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].text |
相對被忽略的一個問題喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].start |
11802.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].end |
11804.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].text |
AI在學術圈的使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].start |
11804.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].end |
11805.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].text |
已經相當普遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].start |
11805.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].end |
11808.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].text |
政府也除了鼓勵使用之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].start |
11809.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].end |
11811.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].text |
有沒有清楚的告訴研究人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].start |
11811.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].end |
11812.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].text |
應該如何使用AI |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].start |
11812.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].end |
11814.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].text |
使用AI的時候應該搭配 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].start |
11814.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].end |
11816.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].text |
哪些保護措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].start |
11816.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].end |
11817.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].text |
以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].start |
11817.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].end |
11818.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].text |
哪些情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].start |
11818.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].end |
11819.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].text |
是高風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].start |
11819.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].end |
11820.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].text |
有沒有去告誡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].start |
11820.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].end |
11823.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].text |
有沒有去做一個相對應的教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].start |
11823.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].end |
11824.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].text |
呃跟委員回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].start |
11824.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].end |
11826.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].text |
我們應該是有提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].start |
11826.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].end |
11827.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].text |
AI的指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].start |
11827.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].end |
11828.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].text |
而且一直在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].start |
11828.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].end |
11829.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].text |
隨時在修正當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].start |
11829.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].end |
11830.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].text |
因為我想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].start |
11830.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].end |
11831.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].text |
舉例來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].start |
11831.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].end |
11832.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].text |
AI是自己去學習 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].start |
11832.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].end |
11834.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].text |
你可能跟AI不斷對話嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].start |
11834.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].end |
11835.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].text |
在這個過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].start |
11835.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].end |
11836.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].text |
不斷的訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].start |
11836.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].end |
11838.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].text |
讓AI從不懂到懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].start |
11838.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].end |
11840.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].text |
也把自己尚未發表的創建 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].start |
11840.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].end |
11841.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].text |
研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].start |
11841.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].end |
11842.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].text |
設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].start |
11842.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].end |
11843.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].text |
實驗數據跟AI說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].start |
11843.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].end |
11844.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].text |
這些想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].start |
11844.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].end |
11846.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].text |
是你獨創的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].start |
11846.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].end |
11848.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].text |
你可能在AI跟他討論的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].start |
11848.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].end |
11849.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].text |
被AI學走喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].start |
11849.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].end |
11850.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].text |
獨創的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].start |
11850.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].end |
11851.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].text |
一旦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].start |
11851.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].end |
11853.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].text |
系統留存再利用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].start |
11853.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].end |
11855.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].text |
甚至成為後續模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].start |
11855.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].end |
11856.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].text |
訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].start |
11856.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].end |
11858.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].text |
或者是服務優化的一個素材的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].start |
11858.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].end |
11859.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].text |
就有可能產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].start |
11859.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].end |
11860.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].text |
研究構想 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].start |
11860.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].end |
11861.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].text |
外洩 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].start |
11861.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].end |
11862.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].text |
機密流失 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].start |
11862.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].end |
11863.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].text |
智慧成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].start |
11863.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].end |
11864.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].text |
被擴散的一個風險嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].start |
11864.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].end |
11866.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].text |
所以我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].start |
11866.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].end |
11868.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].text |
學術單位的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].start |
11868.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].end |
11869.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].text |
他們也說啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].start |
11869.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].end |
11870.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].text |
欸他們不喜歡雲端耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].start |
11871.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].end |
11872.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].text |
他們喜歡地端耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].start |
11872.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].end |
11873.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].start |
11873.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].end |
11874.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].text |
對吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].start |
11874.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].end |
11875.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].text |
所以這個部分上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].start |
11875.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].end |
11876.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].text |
我也希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].start |
11876.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].end |
11878.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].text |
不是不可能發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].start |
11878.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].end |
11879.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].text |
是AI進步太快了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].start |
11879.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].end |
11880.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].text |
一不小心洩漏 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].start |
11880.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].end |
11881.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].text |
這部分的一個教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].start |
11881.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].end |
11883.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].text |
跟如何使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].start |
11883.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].end |
11884.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].text |
我覺得我們也要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].start |
11884.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].end |
11885.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].text |
超前部署 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].start |
11885.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].end |
11886.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].start |
11886.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].end |
11887.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].text |
我們會做提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].start |
11887.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].end |
11889.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].text |
所以請教副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].start |
11889.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].end |
11891.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].text |
將未發表的實驗數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].start |
11891.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].end |
11892.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].text |
出稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].start |
11892.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].end |
11893.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].text |
輸入AI |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].start |
11893.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].end |
11894.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].text |
進行校對分析的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].start |
11894.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].end |
11896.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].text |
這些敏感的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].start |
11896.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].end |
11898.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].text |
他的隱私歸屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].start |
11899.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].end |
11900.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].text |
為何 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].start |
11901.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].end |
11903.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].text |
這些應該都是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].start |
11903.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].end |
11905.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].text |
研究人員自己要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].start |
11905.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].end |
11906.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].text |
這個小心一點的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].start |
11906.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].end |
11907.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].text |
自己要小心一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].start |
11907.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].end |
11908.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].text |
對對對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].start |
11908.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].end |
11909.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].start |
11909.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].end |
11911.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].text |
作為主管機關相關機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].start |
11911.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].end |
11913.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].text |
我們也無法說幫他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].start |
11915.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].end |
11918.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].text |
對因為這個我們很難去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].start |
11918.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].end |
11919.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].text |
所謂的實質上的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].start |
11919.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].end |
11920.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].text |
就像說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].start |
11920.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].end |
11922.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].text |
我們也會要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].start |
11922.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].end |
11923.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].text |
在沒有AI的年代 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].start |
11923.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].end |
11924.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].text |
我們會要求說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].start |
11924.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].end |
11926.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].text |
你要把你的實驗的數據等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].start |
11926.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].end |
11927.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].start |
11927.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].end |
11928.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].text |
在實驗室當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].start |
11928.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].end |
11930.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].text |
做好一些控管等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].start |
11930.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].end |
11931.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].text |
這個我們其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].start |
11931.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].end |
11933.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].text |
之前都有做提醒做要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].start |
11933.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].end |
11934.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].text |
當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].start |
11934.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].end |
11935.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].text |
其實AI時代也是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].start |
11935.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].end |
11937.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].text |
我想今天現在有AI的時代 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].start |
11937.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].end |
11939.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].text |
大家也要有新的適應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].start |
11939.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].end |
11941.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].text |
新的自我的一個審視的觀念 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].start |
11941.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].end |
11942.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].text |
但是我們希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].start |
11942.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].end |
11944.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].text |
在這個品質建立的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].start |
11944.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].end |
11947.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].text |
有建立監督的機制也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].start |
11947.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].end |
11948.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].text |
有可以有相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].start |
11948.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].end |
11950.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].text |
輔助的一個功能也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].start |
11950.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].end |
11951.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].text |
這個部分上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].start |
11951.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].end |
11952.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].text |
不是AI輔助他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].start |
11952.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].end |
11954.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].text |
是我們要輔助使用者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].start |
11954.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].end |
11956.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].text |
或者是學術研究的一個過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].start |
11956.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].end |
11958.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].text |
有這樣子的相關指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].start |
11958.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].end |
11960.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].text |
當然你說有一部分的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].start |
11960.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].end |
11961.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].text |
一般性應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].start |
11961.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].end |
11964.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].text |
跟學術倫理的一個歸納 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].start |
11964.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].end |
11967.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].text |
基本上大家都會有一個初步的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].start |
11967.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].end |
11968.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].text |
但是我們還是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].start |
11968.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].end |
11970.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].text |
後續能夠更加明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].start |
11970.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].end |
11972.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].text |
因為我們還不知道AI |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].start |
11972.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].end |
11974.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].text |
未來變化還能夠有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].start |
11974.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].end |
11976.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].text |
大家一起加油好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].start |
11976.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].end |
11977.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].text |
謝謝文洋 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].start |
11977.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].end |
11979.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].text |
另外簡單就問一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].start |
11979.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].end |
11980.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].text |
訓練AI算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].start |
11980.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].end |
11982.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].text |
先要有高效能的設備就是GPU |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].start |
11982.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].end |
11984.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].text |
GPU的成本高達上千萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].start |
11984.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].end |
11986.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].text |
學者如果要做這項技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].start |
11986.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].end |
11989.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].text |
首先要有上千萬的資本額 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].start |
11989.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].end |
11990.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].text |
這是入門的一個關鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].start |
11990.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].end |
11992.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].text |
那政府可以具體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].start |
11992.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].end |
11994.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].text |
來協助業者什麼樣的一個項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].start |
11994.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].end |
11996.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].text |
我想問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].start |
11996.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].end |
11997.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].text |
書發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].start |
11999.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].end |
12001.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].text |
各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].start |
12001.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].end |
12003.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].text |
書發部在算力上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].start |
12003.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].end |
12006.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].text |
從去年開始就有建立這個算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].start |
12006.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].end |
12007.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].text |
讓業者能夠去運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].start |
12007.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].end |
12012.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].text |
那現在已經有180多家的廠商來利用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].start |
12012.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].end |
12013.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].text |
那去年比較可惜的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].start |
12013.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].end |
12015.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].text |
是因為預算刪減的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].start |
12015.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].end |
12017.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].text |
所以我們本來要增購的100片的GPU |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].start |
12017.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].end |
12018.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].text |
沒有辦法購買 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].start |
12018.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].end |
12023.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].text |
但是我們也另外去跟國防中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].start |
12023.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].end |
12025.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].text |
去商界了一些算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].start |
12025.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].end |
12031.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].text |
持續性的提供給業者來使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].start |
12031.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].end |
12034.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].text |
只有購買GPU這一項方法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].start |
12034.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].end |
12036.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].text |
我覺得其實基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].start |
12036.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].end |
12037.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].text |
不管是計算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].start |
12037.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].end |
12040.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].text |
或者是其他的業者在研究地端 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].start |
12040.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].end |
12043.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].text |
在研究所謂的大型語言模組的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].start |
12043.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].end |
12045.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].text |
其實它不一定都是靠GPU |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].start |
12045.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].end |
12047.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].text |
因為我們也有接觸到一些業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].start |
12047.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].end |
12049.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].text |
他們所提供的新營方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].start |
12049.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].end |
12051.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].text |
我希望提出這個問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].start |
12051.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].end |
12053.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].text |
購買GPU當然固然重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].start |
12053.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].end |
12056.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].text |
但是只有GPU不斷的購買 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].start |
12056.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].end |
12058.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].text |
這唯一的走向嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].start |
12058.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].end |
12059.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].text |
我覺得這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].start |
12059.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].end |
12061.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].text |
書發部是不是也應該多提提 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].start |
12061.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].end |
12063.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].text |
我了解委員所提到的各種 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].start |
12063.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].end |
12065.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].text |
目前不同的新的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].start |
12065.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].end |
12068.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].text |
降低算力需求的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].start |
12068.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].end |
12072.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].text |
我知道也有硬體廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].start |
12072.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].end |
12074.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].text |
他們有新的架構來提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].start |
12074.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].end |
12078.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].text |
比如說用其他的硬體設備來取代GPU |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].start |
12078.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].end |
12081.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].text |
那這個都是我們可以討論合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].start |
12081.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].end |
12083.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].text |
另外一個部分是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].start |
12083.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].end |
12085.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].text |
促餐的通過以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].start |
12085.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].end |
12088.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].text |
我們也希望結合民間的力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].start |
12088.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].end |
12092.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].text |
來提供他們所興建的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].start |
12092.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].end |
12095.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].text |
能夠提供部分給公共使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].start |
12095.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].end |
12098.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].text |
我會這樣子最後再提這個問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].start |
12098.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].end |
12100.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].text |
希望書發部能夠廣大意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].start |
12100.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].end |
12103.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].text |
多了解一下廠商所提供的新營計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].start |
12103.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].end |
12104.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].text |
技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].start |
12104.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].end |
12106.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].text |
因為我們也有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].start |
12106.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].end |
12107.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].text |
我覺得不錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].start |
12107.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].end |
12109.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].text |
GPU不再是購買的唯一選項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].start |
12109.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].end |
12112.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].text |
畢竟耗費是大量的人民的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].start |
12112.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].end |
12113.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].text |
納稅錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].start |
12113.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].end |
12115.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].text |
我們也希望說有更切實際 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].start |
12115.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].end |
12117.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].text |
或者是花在刀口的一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].start |
12117.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].end |
12118.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].text |
我們能夠來參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].start |
12118.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].end |
12120.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].text |
有需要我介紹我們也都願意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].start |
12120.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].end |
12122.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].text |
只要能夠讓我們這個環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].start |
12122.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].end |
12124.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].text |
產業更好我們大家一起努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].start |
12125.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].end |
12126.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].text |
謝謝王怡君 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].start |
12126.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].end |
12128.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].text |
好謝謝羅廷瑋召委的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].start |
12128.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].end |
12130.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].text |
請官員回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].start |
12130.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].end |
12134.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].text |
接下來有請中嘉賓委員進行詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].start |
12148.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].end |
12150.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].text |
主席再討委員先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].start |
12150.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].end |
12152.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].text |
列席的政府區議會上官員會長工作夥伴 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].start |
12152.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].end |
12154.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].text |
媒體記者女士先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].start |
12154.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].end |
12155.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].text |
有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].start |
12156.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].end |
12159.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].text |
國科會的陳副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].start |
12159.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].end |
12161.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].text |
還有訴發部的侯次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].start |
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12164.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].text |
以及中研院的彭副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].start |
12164.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].end |
12167.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].text |
好請三位機關副首長上配訊台 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].start |
12167.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].end |
12168.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].start |
12168.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].end |
12170.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].text |
好座委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].start |
12170.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].end |
12173.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].text |
這個副院長副主委跟次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].start |
12173.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].end |
12177.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].text |
今天我們談的就是數位透明度的分級兼顧資安與取用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].start |
12177.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].end |
12181.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].text |
科專計畫能否來支援能源設施科研研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].start |
12181.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].end |
12183.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].text |
社科長來我們看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].start |
12183.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].end |
12186.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].text |
原生數據到底我們是要限制取用還是放寬使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].start |
12186.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].end |
12188.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].text |
這在我們的AI基本法當中討論很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].start |
12188.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].end |
12191.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].text |
像歐盟GPAR他是為了保護隱私限制取用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].start |
12191.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].end |
12194.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].text |
但是相對的就是影響到AI的發展速度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].start |
12196.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].end |
12201.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].text |
歐盟大概是主要先進國家AI的應用程度發展最慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].start |
12201.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].end |
12204.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].text |
但是相對我們看這個吉普利的畫風 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].start |
12204.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].end |
12209.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].text |
這是在日本他們政府的法令規定放寬取用可以二創 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].start |
12209.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].end |
12212.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].text |
但是這樣就造成了原來的創作者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].start |
12212.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].end |
12213.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].text |
他說影響到創作者的潛意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].start |
12213.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].end |
12215.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].text |
先請問國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].start |
12215.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].end |
12219.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].text |
副主委你認為我國的AI基本法之後的取向會偏向哪一邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].start |
12220.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].end |
12222.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].text |
只能選一邊不能兩邊都選 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].start |
12223.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].end |
12227.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].text |
其實AI基本法設定的過程當中真的是兩邊橫平的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].start |
12227.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].end |
12228.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].text |
橫平的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].start |
12228.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].end |
12229.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].text |
會議院長你也認同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].start |
12230.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].end |
12232.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].text |
就是說沒有絕對二選一 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].start |
12232.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].end |
12234.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].text |
我想要學界來形成一個共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].start |
12234.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].end |
12236.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].text |
好那麼猴子黨呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].start |
12238.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].end |
12240.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].text |
我認為我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].start |
12241.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].end |
12243.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].text |
目標是希望放寬取用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].start |
12243.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].end |
12246.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].text |
但是採用技術的方式來保障個人的隱私 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].start |
12246.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].end |
12247.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].text |
很好那麼猴子黨說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].start |
12247.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].end |
12248.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].text |
因為這 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].start |
12248.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].end |
12249.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].text |
部會的權責不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].start |
12249.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].end |
12251.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].text |
因為速發不要發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].start |
12251.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].end |
12253.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].text |
它當然要降低取用的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].start |
12253.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].end |
12258.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].text |
但是我們看到資料的取用被取用的有基本上兩個對價關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].start |
12258.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].end |
12260.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].text |
如果你AI的數據庫要取用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].start |
12260.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].end |
12262.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].text |
那對方商業機制它允許你取用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].start |
12262.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].end |
12263.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].text |
但是你要不要有回饋機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].start |
12263.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].end |
12264.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].text |
這我們討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].start |
12264.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].end |
12267.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].text |
但是如果是民眾他有涉及到隱私 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].start |
12267.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].end |
12268.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].text |
你要取用當然要去識別的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].start |
12268.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].end |
12270.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].text |
這就是對價關係的設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].start |
12270.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].end |
12272.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].text |
但是對於AI取用的對價關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].start |
12272.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].end |
12276.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].text |
國會在未來AI進行研討法之後的各項行政規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].start |
12276.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].end |
12277.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].text |
有沒有一個思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].start |
12278.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].end |
12281.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].text |
我們跟速發部應該會共同一起來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].start |
12281.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].end |
12282.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].text |
好跟速發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].start |
12282.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].end |
12283.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].text |
好那我舉個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].start |
12283.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].end |
12284.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].text |
我猜猜看你們知道這什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].start |
12284.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].end |
12286.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].text |
這叫做地級資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].start |
12286.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].end |
12290.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].text |
你知道什麼叫做地級登記簿騰本嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].start |
12291.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].end |
12292.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].text |
沒有人有印象沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].start |
12292.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].end |
12294.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].text |
譬如說我要是去銀行貸款 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].start |
12294.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].end |
12297.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].text |
我要去申請我本人的名下的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].start |
12297.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].end |
12299.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].text |
它會出現我的名字出生年月日 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].start |
12299.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].end |
12300.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].text |
我的身分證字號我的住址 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].start |
12300.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].end |
12301.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].text |
因為銀行要對保嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].start |
12301.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].end |
12303.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].text |
然後呢我有沒有設定抵押 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].start |
12304.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].end |
12305.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].text |
但是如果今天我是狗仔隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].start |
12305.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].end |
12306.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].text |
我去看陳主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].start |
12306.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].end |
12307.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].text |
常出入某棟房子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].start |
12307.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].end |
12309.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].text |
我跟你們要查到它的地級 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].start |
12309.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].end |
12311.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].text |
我又查出來說那個地級登記簿騰本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].start |
12311.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].end |
12312.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].text |
土地是誰的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].start |
12313.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].end |
12315.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].text |
如果說全街路啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].start |
12315.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].end |
12318.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].text |
我就可以說這個陳主委跟某某地主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].start |
12318.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].end |
12320.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].text |
有一些不尋常的曖昧關係是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].start |
12320.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].end |
12322.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].text |
說要限制嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].start |
12322.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].end |
12324.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].text |
但是如果說我是一個房客 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].start |
12324.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].end |
12328.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].text |
我是陳租人我要去租你的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].start |
12328.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].end |
12330.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].text |
我知道好歹知道你的土地的地主吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].start |
12331.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].end |
12333.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].text |
所以政府提供的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].start |
12333.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].end |
12334.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].text |
因著它的用途的不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].start |
12334.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].end |
12335.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].text |
身份的不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].start |
12335.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].end |
12336.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].text |
它有些取用的不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].start |
12336.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].end |
12337.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].text |
所以是登記人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].start |
12337.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].end |
12339.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].text |
任何人還是關鍵人取用的不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].start |
12339.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].end |
12342.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].text |
好但是有一種情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].start |
12342.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].end |
12343.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].text |
我舉個例你們聽聽看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].start |
12343.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].end |
12346.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].text |
最近我在跟能源署討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].start |
12346.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].end |
12348.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].text |
台灣的未來的電力配置 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].start |
12348.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].end |
12350.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].text |
他說未來能源署會根據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].start |
12350.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].end |
12351.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].text |
因為用電的需要知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].start |
12351.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].end |
12354.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].text |
目前每個地區的用電需求量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].start |
12354.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].end |
12357.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].text |
所以它會把每個電表的大數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].start |
12357.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].end |
12359.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].text |
下放到地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].start |
12359.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].end |
12361.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].text |
讓民眾用電人可以知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].start |
12362.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].end |
12363.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].text |
該地區的用電狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].start |
12364.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].end |
12365.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].text |
這個很可怕啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].start |
12365.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].end |
12366.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].text |
我先問一下副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].start |
12366.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].end |
12368.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].text |
如果說你住在某個區公所 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].start |
12368.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].end |
12370.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].text |
那個區公所你上網可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].start |
12370.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].end |
12371.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].text |
所有家的電表 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].start |
12371.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].end |
12373.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].text |
我可不可以找那個不在家的人去偷東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].start |
12374.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].end |
12376.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].text |
對所以這部分應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].start |
12376.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].end |
12379.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].text |
個人資料保護法要檢討的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].start |
12379.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].end |
12382.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].text |
是的所以當我們行程大數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].start |
12383.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].end |
12384.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].text |
政府要供人民使用的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].start |
12384.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].end |
12385.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].text |
一定要有一些考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].start |
12385.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].end |
12388.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].text |
我們看一下但是這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].start |
12388.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].end |
12389.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].text |
還有一些不平等 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].start |
12389.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].end |
12391.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].text |
不只是身份不同用途不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].start |
12391.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].end |
12392.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].text |
還有算力的不平等 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].start |
12392.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].end |
12394.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].text |
同樣的算力強的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].start |
12394.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].end |
12396.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].text |
他可以掌握比較多的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].start |
12396.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].end |
12398.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].text |
相對弱的人就沒辦法取用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].start |
12398.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].end |
12399.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].text |
我舉個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].start |
12399.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].end |
12400.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].text |
上個月有一個新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].start |
12402.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].end |
12404.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].text |
他撥灣占雲吃井啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].start |
12404.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].end |
12405.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].text |
他去馳援啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].start |
12405.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].end |
12408.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].text |
結果呢因為有個軍官在航空母艦跑步 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].start |
12408.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].end |
12410.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].text |
他用一個慢跑的APP |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].start |
12410.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].end |
12412.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].text |
結果呢有人去查他這個APP |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].start |
12412.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].end |
12413.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].text |
這個資料是公開的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].start |
12413.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].end |
12416.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].text |
他在印度洋上跑步啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].start |
12416.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].end |
12419.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].text |
所以馬上人家查出航空母艦的軌跡了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].start |
12419.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].end |
12421.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].text |
好陳文辰主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].start |
12421.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].end |
12424.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].text |
那麼這個就是數位平等的數據金用權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].start |
12424.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].end |
12427.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].text |
還有數據數位隱蔽要確保資安國安 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].start |
12427.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].end |
12428.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].text |
這兩個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].start |
12428.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].end |
12430.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].text |
還要托起到你的算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].start |
12430.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].end |
12432.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].text |
未來會不會在立法的時候考量這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].start |
12432.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].end |
12434.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].text |
利益入點的不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].start |
12435.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].end |
12436.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].text |
請往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].start |
12436.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].end |
12437.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].text |
來就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].start |
12439.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].end |
12441.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].text |
你們會不會有一個分級 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].start |
12441.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].end |
12443.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].text |
數位透明數位隱蔽的相關執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].start |
12446.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].end |
12448.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].text |
這個可能要說發布了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].start |
12450.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].end |
12451.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].text |
是跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].start |
12451.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].end |
12453.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].text |
這個部分確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].start |
12453.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].end |
12455.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].text |
在我們現在整個推動法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].start |
12455.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].end |
12457.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].text |
法律修正的這個過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].start |
12457.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].end |
12459.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].text |
會由風險分級的方式來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].start |
12459.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].end |
12460.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].text |
不是風險分級 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].start |
12460.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].end |
12462.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].text |
不好意思風險分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].start |
12462.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].end |
12463.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].text |
那您剛剛講到這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].start |
12463.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].end |
12466.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].text |
其實風險分類中非常重要的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].start |
12466.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].end |
12469.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].text |
就是隱私這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].start |
12469.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].end |
12471.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].text |
還有會在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].start |
12471.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].end |
12472.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].text |
不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].start |
12472.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].end |
12475.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].text |
會在不同的這個應用場景底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].start |
12475.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].end |
12478.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].text |
我們會去跟各部會對接 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].start |
12478.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].end |
12481.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].text |
希望他們可以考慮到這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].start |
12481.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].end |
12482.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].text |
好要注意到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].start |
12482.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].end |
12484.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].text |
其實媒體的數據經用權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].start |
12484.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].end |
12486.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].text |
因著你的算力多寡不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].start |
12486.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].end |
12489.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].text |
其實對有人是隱蔽的對他人是透明的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].start |
12489.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].end |
12491.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].text |
那如果你的算力不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].start |
12491.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].end |
12492.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].text |
雖然是透明公開的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].start |
12492.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].end |
12493.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].text |
但是你都沒辦法使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].start |
12493.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].end |
12495.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].text |
就像我說的地級登記不成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].start |
12495.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].end |
12496.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].text |
我想在座的人有多少人用過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].start |
12496.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].end |
12498.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].text |
可能不曉得我可以升級第二類第三類 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].start |
12498.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].end |
12499.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].text |
可以往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].start |
12499.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].end |
12502.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].text |
好現在呢工商時報前天的新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].start |
12503.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].end |
12504.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].text |
那個台電 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].start |
12504.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].end |
12507.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].text |
同志說AI資料中心的用電規模 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].start |
12507.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].end |
12509.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].text |
堪比半寶體產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].start |
12509.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].end |
12510.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].text |
但那廠房面積比較小 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].start |
12510.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].end |
12512.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].text |
可以建在都會地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].start |
12512.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].end |
12514.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].text |
會對電網形成挑戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].start |
12514.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].end |
12515.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].text |
什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].start |
12515.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].end |
12516.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].text |
我們往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].start |
12516.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].end |
12517.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].text |
所謂的算力靠電力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].start |
12517.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].end |
12519.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].text |
電網要韌性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].start |
12519.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].end |
12520.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].text |
但是電網裡面的變電所 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].start |
12520.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].end |
12522.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].text |
儲能設施燃料電池 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].start |
12522.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].end |
12524.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].text |
淋幣效應怎麼去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].start |
12524.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].end |
12525.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].text |
有沒有講過這個問題陳主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].start |
12525.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].end |
12528.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].text |
你們在設這些算力分布的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].start |
12529.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].end |
12530.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].text |
還是哪一個要回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].start |
12530.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].end |
12532.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].text |
這個你們在強調算力的同時 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].start |
12532.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].end |
12534.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].text |
有沒有考慮到power couple |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].start |
12537.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].end |
12538.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].start |
12539.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].end |
12540.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].start |
12540.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].end |
12542.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].text |
跟委員回報我們在建置 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].start |
12542.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].end |
12543.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].text |
算力中心的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].start |
12543.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].end |
12545.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].text |
是都有跟台電保持聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].start |
12545.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].end |
12550.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].text |
有確保供電的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].start |
12550.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].end |
12551.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].text |
但是台電很困擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].start |
12551.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].end |
12553.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].text |
你們只是需求者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].start |
12553.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].end |
12554.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].text |
困難誰去排除 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].start |
12555.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].end |
12556.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].text |
台電要去排除 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].start |
12556.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].end |
12557.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].text |
那台電怎麼排除 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].start |
12557.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].end |
12558.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].text |
我舉個例子往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].start |
12558.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].end |
12559.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].text |
過去我們在教委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].start |
12559.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].end |
12561.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].text |
我們常常文資保 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].start |
12561.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].end |
12562.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].text |
文資保存常常發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].start |
12562.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].end |
12563.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].text |
被認定股機後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].start |
12563.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].end |
12564.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].text |
就被一把火放火燒掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].start |
12564.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].end |
12565.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].start |
12565.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].end |
12567.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].text |
因為地主怕被限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].start |
12567.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].end |
12568.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].text |
因此後來呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].start |
12568.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].end |
12569.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].text |
有人從都支計畫下手 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].start |
12569.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].end |
12570.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].text |
想說應該叫做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].start |
12570.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].end |
12572.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].text |
容積率移轉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].start |
12572.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].end |
12573.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].text |
我給你容積率獎勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].start |
12573.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].end |
12574.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].text |
但是你這個台灣銀行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].start |
12574.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].end |
12575.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].text |
你這個股機你不能拆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].start |
12575.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].end |
12576.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].text |
你不能改建 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].start |
12576.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].end |
12578.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].text |
但是你的發展權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].start |
12578.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].end |
12579.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].text |
我換算成容積率 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].start |
12579.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].end |
12581.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].text |
移轉到你台電 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].start |
12581.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].end |
12582.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].text |
台銀的其他地方大樓 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].start |
12582.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].end |
12583.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].text |
有沒有聽過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].start |
12584.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].end |
12586.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].text |
有聽過容積率移轉的這個獎勵吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].start |
12586.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].end |
12587.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].start |
12587.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].end |
12588.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].text |
這個是誰想出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].start |
12589.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].end |
12591.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].text |
這個就是需要社科的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].start |
12591.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].end |
12592.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].text |
才有辦法去解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].start |
12592.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].end |
12593.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].text |
單單是台電 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].start |
12593.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].end |
12595.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].text |
他有能力去創設一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].start |
12595.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].end |
12597.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].text |
容積率移轉的獎勵嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].start |
12597.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].end |
12598.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].text |
很難 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].start |
12598.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].end |
12599.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].text |
但是你們要算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].start |
12599.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].end |
12600.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].text |
你們要電力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].start |
12600.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].end |
12601.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].text |
問題都要去解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].start |
12601.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].end |
12602.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].text |
零避設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].start |
12602.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].end |
12603.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].text |
便電所 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].start |
12603.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].end |
12604.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].text |
台北市不容興建 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].start |
12604.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].end |
12605.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].text |
那請問你在台北市 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].start |
12605.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].end |
12606.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].text |
你NVIDIA |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].start |
12606.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].end |
12607.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].text |
你要落到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].start |
12607.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].end |
12608.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].text |
你怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].start |
12609.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].end |
12610.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].text |
陳主委你認為呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].start |
12613.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].end |
12615.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].text |
這個我 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].start |
12616.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].end |
12618.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].text |
我們可以鼓勵學者做這方面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].start |
12618.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].end |
12619.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].text |
是不是鼓勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].start |
12619.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].end |
12620.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].text |
你們有科專計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].start |
12620.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].end |
12622.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].text |
所以我是覺得你們要鎖定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].start |
12622.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].end |
12624.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].text |
不是只看算力而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].start |
12624.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].end |
12625.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].text |
你們要思考到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].start |
12625.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].end |
12627.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].text |
整個我們的科研 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].start |
12627.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].end |
12628.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].text |
在我們的國家社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].start |
12628.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].end |
12630.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].text |
不是超然於社會而外的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].start |
12630.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].end |
12632.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].text |
所以我們的科研計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].start |
12632.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].end |
12633.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].text |
要支援的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].start |
12633.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].end |
12634.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].text |
不是只是一些科學應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].start |
12634.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].end |
12635.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].text |
還要在應用過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].start |
12635.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].end |
12637.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].text |
有些社科的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].start |
12637.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].end |
12639.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].text |
才能協助政府機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].start |
12639.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].end |
12640.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].text |
不只統合這些科研資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].start |
12640.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].end |
12642.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].text |
還能夠發展出應對的有效政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].start |
12642.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].end |
12643.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].text |
同不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].start |
12645.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].end |
12646.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].start |
12646.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].end |
12647.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].text |
那最後我們就往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].start |
12647.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].end |
12648.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].text |
就是最後的結論了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].start |
12648.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].end |
12650.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].text |
所以希望在AI基本的框架下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].start |
12650.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].end |
12652.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].text |
請速發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].start |
12652.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].end |
12653.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].text |
可以針對不同的算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].start |
12653.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].end |
12654.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].text |
國科會去評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].start |
12654.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].end |
12656.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].text |
這個數位分級透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].start |
12656.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].end |
12657.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].text |
數位隱蔽的相關知法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].start |
12657.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].end |
12658.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].text |
兩個部會共同合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].start |
12658.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].end |
12659.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].start |
12659.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].end |
12660.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].text |
兩位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].start |
12660.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].end |
12661.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].text |
陳副主委跟侯市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].start |
12661.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].end |
12662.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].text |
請對著麥克風答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].start |
12664.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].end |
12665.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].start |
12665.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].end |
12668.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].text |
那我知道今天那個國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].start |
12668.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].end |
12669.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].text |
好像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].start |
12671.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].end |
12672.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].text |
沒有這些社會人文科學 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].start |
12672.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].end |
12673.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].text |
好像有吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].start |
12673.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].end |
12674.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].text |
好像是你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].start |
12674.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].end |
12675.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].text |
有一個人文及社會科學 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].start |
12675.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].end |
12677.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].text |
研究發展處是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].start |
12677.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].end |
12678.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].text |
未來的科專計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].start |
12678.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].end |
12680.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].text |
是不是能夠專門 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].start |
12680.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].end |
12681.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].text |
針對能源設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].start |
12681.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].end |
12683.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].text |
如何扶靈畢效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].start |
12683.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].end |
12685.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].text |
去做一些這個社科方面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].start |
12685.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].end |
12686.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].text |
研究調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].start |
12686.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].end |
12687.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].text |
這是中研院還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].start |
12687.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].end |
12689.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].text |
還是國科會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].start |
12690.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].end |
12691.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].text |
我看你們這邊有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].start |
12691.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].end |
12693.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].text |
人文及社會科學研究發展處 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].start |
12693.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].end |
12694.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].text |
對 我們有支援 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].start |
12694.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].end |
12696.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].text |
支持人設的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].start |
12696.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].end |
12697.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].text |
是 那你們有沒有那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].start |
12697.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].end |
12699.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].text |
那個叫做科專計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].start |
12700.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].end |
12702.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].text |
國科會的不是叫科專計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].start |
12702.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].end |
12703.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].text |
那你們叫什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].start |
12703.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].end |
12704.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].text |
我們就是研究計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].start |
12704.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].end |
12705.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].text |
有研究計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].start |
12705.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].end |
12706.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].text |
那科專計畫是由誰來分配 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].start |
12706.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].end |
12707.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].text |
由國發會來分配 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].start |
12708.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].end |
12709.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].text |
經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].start |
12709.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].end |
12710.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].text |
有經濟部來分配 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].start |
12710.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].end |
12711.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].text |
經濟部它不是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].start |
12711.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].end |
12712.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].text |
它說是用國科會分配完了之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].start |
12712.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].end |
12713.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].text |
它用他們分配給他的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].start |
12715.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].end |
12716.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].text |
來 你們問問看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].start |
12716.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].end |
12717.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].text |
後面有人要回答了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].start |
12717.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].end |
12719.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].text |
那應該是指科技計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].start |
12719.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].end |
12720.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].text |
科技計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].start |
12720.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].end |
12721.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].text |
科技計畫 好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].start |
12721.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].end |
12722.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].text |
那麼未來的科技計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].start |
12722.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].end |
12724.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].text |
可不可以在對其他部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].start |
12724.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].end |
12725.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].text |
匡定的額度內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].start |
12725.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].end |
12727.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].text |
或者說你們優先來支援 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].start |
12727.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].end |
12729.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].text |
這樣社科的調查跟研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].start |
12730.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].end |
12731.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].text |
還是中英院長自告奮勇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].start |
12732.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].end |
12734.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].text |
中英院你們也有法律研究所 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].start |
12734.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].end |
12736.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].text |
科技計畫是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].start |
12736.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].end |
12740.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].text |
就是各部會它會提出一個申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].start |
12740.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].end |
12741.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].text |
由我們這邊來做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].start |
12741.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].end |
12742.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].text |
希望你們未來的審核的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].start |
12742.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].end |
12744.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].text |
要多多支持這樣的社科研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].start |
12744.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].end |
12746.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].text |
好嗎 好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].start |
12747.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].end |
12749.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].text |
謝謝莊家濱委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].start |
12749.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].end |
12750.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].text |
請官員回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].start |
12750.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].end |
12754.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].text |
接下來有請楊瓊英委員進行詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].start |
12758.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].end |
12759.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].start |
12761.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].end |
12763.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].text |
好 謝謝主席楊瓊英發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].start |
12763.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].end |
12765.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].text |
首先來邀請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].start |
12766.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].end |
12768.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].text |
這個莊園院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].start |
12771.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].end |
12772.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].text |
跟國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].start |
12773.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].end |
12775.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].text |
好 楊委員走 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].start |
12776.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].end |
12778.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].text |
賴總統上任之後宣示 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].start |
12778.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].end |
12781.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].text |
我們每一年要編列300億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].start |
12781.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].end |
12783.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].text |
大概就是每年10億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].start |
12783.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].end |
12787.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].text |
來推動人工智慧AI的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].start |
12787.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].end |
12790.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].text |
中心跟相關的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].start |
12790.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].end |
12792.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].text |
我們也大家就全球性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].start |
12792.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].end |
12795.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].text |
AI它不是這個科技的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].start |
12795.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].end |
12796.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].text |
它更是國安 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].start |
12796.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].end |
12799.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].text |
更是產業與民主治理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].start |
12799.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].end |
12801.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].text |
一個核心競爭力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].start |
12801.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].end |
12804.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].text |
所以現在全球都在談的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].start |
12804.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].end |
12806.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].text |
AI的主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].start |
12806.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].end |
12809.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].text |
那誰能夠掌控這個模型資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].start |
12809.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].end |
12811.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].text |
還有算力呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].start |
12811.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].end |
12814.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].text |
誰能夠決定這個規則 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].start |
12814.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].end |
12816.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].text |
所以我們今天來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].start |
12816.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].end |
12819.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].text |
AI的學門建構應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].start |
12819.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].end |
12822.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].text |
以及它的研究應用倫理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].start |
12822.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].end |
12826.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].text |
還有它的數位透明化的配套措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].start |
12826.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].end |
12830.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].text |
在整個學門的建構的方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].start |
12830.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].end |
12833.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].text |
AI的核心學門應該包括了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].start |
12833.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].end |
12835.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].text |
基礎的一個模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].start |
12835.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].end |
12837.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].text |
語言的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].start |
12837.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].end |
12839.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].text |
還有AI的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].start |
12839.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].end |
12842.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].text |
計算的這個社會科學 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].start |
12842.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].end |
12844.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].text |
所以本席要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].start |
12844.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].end |
12845.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].text |
中研院跟博客會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].start |
12845.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].end |
12848.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].text |
目前我們的AI研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].start |
12848.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].end |
12851.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].text |
你是不是有透過進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].start |
12851.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].end |
12853.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].text |
跨領域的一個整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].start |
12853.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].end |
12858.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].text |
有沒有完整的AI的基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].start |
12858.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].end |
12860.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].text |
學門的地圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].start |
12860.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].end |
12864.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].text |
那因為外界都會有一個想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].start |
12864.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].end |
12865.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].text |
跟你說就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].start |
12865.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].end |
12868.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].text |
是不是會偏重在晶片 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].start |
12868.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].end |
12870.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].text |
跟製造的這個方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].start |
12870.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].end |
12873.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].text |
而忽略了整個模型的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].start |
12873.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].end |
12875.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].text |
或者是AI的一個倫理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].start |
12875.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].end |
12878.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].text |
跟社會影響的一個研究方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].start |
12878.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].end |
12879.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].text |
來請回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].start |
12879.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].end |
12882.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].text |
好謝謝楊委員你的問題很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].start |
12882.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].end |
12884.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].text |
那我們中研院在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].start |
12884.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].end |
12886.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].text |
就是剛才我報告中提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].start |
12886.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].end |
12888.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].text |
我們非常強調人文 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].start |
12888.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].end |
12890.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].text |
跟科學的創新研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].start |
12890.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].end |
12893.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].text |
那人文方面因為它本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].start |
12893.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].end |
12895.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].text |
過去資訊的背景不是那麼強 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].start |
12895.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].end |
12897.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].text |
所以我們就鼓勵了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].start |
12897.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].end |
12899.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].text |
我們成立一個AI辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].start |
12899.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].end |
12901.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].text |
鼓勵了跨領域的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].start |
12901.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].end |
12903.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].text |
所以很多資訊方面的人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].start |
12903.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].end |
12904.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].text |
會來協助我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].start |
12904.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].end |
12907.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].text |
那另外比如說我們的廖所長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].start |
12907.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].end |
12908.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].text |
他做的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].start |
12908.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].end |
12911.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].text |
他原來是資訊非常強的背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].start |
12911.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].end |
12913.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].text |
那最近也跟生命科學人合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].start |
12913.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].end |
12918.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].text |
去做這個像這個愛知海默症 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].start |
12918.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].end |
12920.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].text |
的相關的行為研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].start |
12920.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].end |
12923.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].text |
我想我們中研院有這個條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].start |
12923.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].end |
12925.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].text |
也有這方面的人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].start |
12925.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].end |
12927.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].text |
我們也做這個跨領域的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].start |
12927.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].end |
12930.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].text |
但是我們不可能就是包山包海都做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].start |
12930.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].end |
12934.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].text |
那就看我們的人力的相對強項在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].start |
12934.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].end |
12936.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].text |
那我過去我的了解是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].start |
12936.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].end |
12938.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].text |
雖然感覺上說我們投資AI很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].start |
12938.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].end |
12940.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].text |
但是相比起來還算少 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].start |
12940.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].end |
12941.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].text |
一個是人的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].start |
12941.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].end |
12943.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].text |
一個是錢的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].start |
12943.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].end |
12944.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].text |
我們要全面發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].start |
12944.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].end |
12946.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].text |
還是由我們本身的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].start |
12946.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].end |
12948.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].text |
還是會面臨很大的挑戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].start |
12948.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].end |
12949.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].text |
我們有這個信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].start |
12949.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].end |
12950.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].text |
有這個軌道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].start |
12950.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].end |
12951.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].text |
但是你還是認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].start |
12951.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].end |
12953.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].text |
有所不足的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].start |
12955.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].end |
12957.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].text |
國科院這邊跟委員回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].start |
12957.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].end |
12961.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].text |
其實AI說實在應該每個學門 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].start |
12961.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].end |
12963.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].text |
我們其實是每個學門都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].start |
12963.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].end |
12965.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].text |
所以這個跨領域整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].start |
12965.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].end |
12968.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].text |
其實我們早就已經在做進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].start |
12968.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].end |
12970.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].text |
我們不管在生科領域也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].start |
12970.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].end |
12972.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].text |
社科領域 人設領域也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].start |
12972.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].end |
12975.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].text |
自然領域也好 防災領域也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].start |
12975.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].end |
12976.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].text |
我們都有AI的導入 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].start |
12976.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].end |
12979.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].text |
所以這個跨領域整合是本來就在做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].start |
12979.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].end |
12983.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].text |
那國科院我們也有在做這個AI的盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].start |
12983.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].end |
12984.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].text |
這個非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].start |
12984.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].end |
12985.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].text |
尤其這個盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].start |
12985.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].end |
12987.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].text |
因為現在全球性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].start |
12987.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].end |
12989.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].text |
每一個領域都是必要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].start |
12989.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].end |
12990.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].text |
都是必要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].start |
12990.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].end |
12992.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].text |
好 我們也請數位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].start |
12995.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].end |
12996.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].start |
12996.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].end |
12998.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].text |
二月二五年十二月二十三號 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].start |
12998.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].end |
13002.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].text |
我們立法院通過了人工智慧基本法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].start |
13002.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].end |
13004.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].text |
它等於是我國第一部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].start |
13004.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].end |
13008.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].text |
法律未接的人工智慧的相關規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].start |
13008.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].end |
13012.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].text |
同時我們也預估在兩年內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].start |
13012.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].end |
13016.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].text |
要去完成相關的法治領域 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].start |
13016.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].end |
13019.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].text |
可以說是非常細部的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].start |
13019.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].end |
13022.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].text |
完善的相關法治 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].start |
13022.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].end |
13025.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].text |
以及制定相關的執法跟配套措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].start |
13025.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].end |
13029.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].text |
這是我們要一直努力要去完成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].start |
13029.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].end |
13031.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].text |
那財訊方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].start |
13031.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].end |
13034.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].text |
它提出了上市櫃企業副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].start |
13035.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].end |
13037.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].text |
這個級以上的高階主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].start |
13037.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].end |
13042.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].text |
他也提出了AI的時代大調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].start |
13042.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].end |
13044.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].text |
顯示有六成的企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].start |
13044.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].end |
13047.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].text |
知道政府正在推動AI的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].start |
13047.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].end |
13050.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].text |
但是多數對於立法整個的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].start |
13050.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].end |
13052.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].text |
它並不是很嚴肅 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].start |
13052.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].end |
13056.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].text |
所以也有三成認為這個政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].start |
13056.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].end |
13057.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].text |
到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].start |
13057.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].end |
13058.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].text |
它沒什麼感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].start |
13058.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].end |
13061.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].text |
所以在國科費方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].start |
13061.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].end |
13063.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].text |
我們相關雖然有訂到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].start |
13063.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].end |
13065.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].text |
這樣的一個執法時間 |
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所以我個人要請問 |
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基本法通過之後 |
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那你的這個國科會 |
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你的配套以及執法的修訂 |
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13075.89 |
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你們現在的進度呢 |
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跟委員報告現在 |
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我們透過行政院的三政委平台 |
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正在做執法的盤點跟修正 |
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執法的盤點跟修正 |
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所以這個時間是一個關鍵時刻 |
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特別針對於加強企業 |
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對於政策了解的這個程度 |
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我個人認為這一點是在國科會 |
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你在制定很多的相關的制度 |
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跟執法的時候 |
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這一點企業的部分務必一定要加入 |
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這個因子進去喔國科會 |
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那麼所以在整個台灣AI治理的 |
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三個核心面向 |
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包括制度的一個強度 |
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組成的能力跟透明的一個治理 |
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我們看到雖然我們目前在動 |
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但是如果跟歐美地區來比較起來 |
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似乎我們還有很大的一個空間 |
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去追喔 |
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所以在這樣的一個情況之下 |
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那歐盟它已經有完整的一個法制 |
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美國也努力在開發這個模型喔 |
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我們現在是在整個基本的一個框架 |
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那歐盟有AI的HT |
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它也有罰則 |
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有風險的一個分歧喔 |
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所以國科會跟訴訪部也就是說 |
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13153.77 |
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我們是否針對於高風險AI強制的 |
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一個審查制度 |
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13158.77 |
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那我們這個制度要怎麼樣去建立 |
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而且特別在AI的一個責任歸屬的 |
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一個制度也是在你們現在 |
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在你們現在在修正這些執法裡頭 |
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非常重要的元素 |
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訴訪部請先回答 |
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好 是 跟委員報告 |
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人工智慧基本法通過以後 |
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13174.77 |
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13179.77 |
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訴訪部已經把人工智慧風險分類的框架 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].start |
13179.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].end |
13181.77 |
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已經送到行政院 |
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13181.77 |
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那在同一個時間 |
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13185.77 |
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其實國科會指導底下 |
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13187.77 |
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還有三政委平台的指導底下 |
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13189.77 |
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我們已經跟各部會開始 |
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13189.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].end |
13193.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].text |
基於風險框架去做協作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].start |
13193.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].end |
13196.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].text |
盤點應該修訂哪些法律 |
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13197.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].text |
然後剛剛有提到 |
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受到行政院的 |
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是 然後特別要跟委員報告的 |
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13206.77 |
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在跟國外的這個對接的部分喔 |
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13208.77 |
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歐盟其實它的 |
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13208.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].end |
13210.77 |
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歐盟的這個人工智慧法 |
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13210.77 |
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13212.77 |
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因為整個架構太過複雜 |
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13212.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].end |
13214.77 |
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而且缺乏彈性 |
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13214.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].end |
13219.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].text |
所以其實他們有提出一個新的這個法案 |
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13219.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].end |
13222.77 |
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是在討論修正他們叫做EU的Omnimus |
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13222.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].end |
13227.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].text |
這個法案他們想要簡化某些流程 |
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13227.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].end |
13230.77 |
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那在我們針對高風險的部分呢 |
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13230.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].end |
13232.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].text |
我們會協助各部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].start |
13232.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].end |
13236.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].text |
去針對各部會所主管的業務範圍內 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].start |
13236.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].end |
13240.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].text |
特定的AI的應用場景底下的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].start |
13240.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].end |
13242.77 |
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是不是屬於高風險 |
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13242.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].end |
13244.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].text |
會去做評估和識別 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].start |
13244.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].end |
13246.77 |
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那如果是高風險的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].start |
13246.77 |
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13248.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].text |
依據基本法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].start |
13248.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].end |
13250.77 |
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會需要有評測工具 |
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13250.77 |
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13252.77 |
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那會需要有標示 |
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13252.77 |
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13254.77 |
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那會需要有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].start |
13254.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].end |
13258.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].text |
會需要有這個救濟或是保險的制度 |
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13258.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].end |
13260.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].text |
那這些因應呢 |
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13260.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].end |
13262.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].text |
我們都會跟各部會去協助 |
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13262.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].end |
13264.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].text |
那我們同時也跟今晚會 |
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13264.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].end |
13266.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].text |
也有在討論在保險的部分 |
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13268.77 |
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是不是可以有一些 |
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13270.77 |
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就是推動的方向 |
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13270.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].end |
13274.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].text |
那因為各部會對主管的業務範圍內 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].start |
13274.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].end |
13277.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].text |
AI的應用場景必須要先做盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].start |
13277.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].end |
13279.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].text |
必須要先做盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].start |
13279.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].end |
13281.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].text |
我們會針對比較成熟的 |
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13281.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].end |
13285.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].text |
那應用廣泛的風險程度高的 |
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13285.77 |
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13286.77 |
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是的 是的 |
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13287.77 |
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這非常重要 |
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13287.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].end |
13289.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].text |
因為世界各國他們走在前端 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].start |
13289.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].end |
13291.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].text |
有很多他的優缺點 |
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13291.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].end |
13293.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].text |
我們可以拿來做這個參考 |
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13293.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].end |
13295.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].text |
國會要不要補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].start |
13297.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].end |
13299.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].text |
好 |
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13299.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].end |
13301.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].text |
國會跟蜀華部會一起努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].start |
13301.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].end |
13302.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].text |
是 |
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13302.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].end |
13303.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].text |
一起努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].start |
13303.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].end |
13305.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].text |
接下來本席要跟討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].start |
13305.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].end |
13307.79 |
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就是剛剛鍾延遠說 |
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13307.79 |
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13309.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].text |
我們有這個能力 |
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13309.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].end |
13312.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].text |
但是有很多的這個能力 |
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13312.79 |
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13313.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].text |
跟預算方面 |
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13313.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].end |
13315.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].text |
他們也提出 |
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13315.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].end |
13318.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].text |
所以我個人還是要討論一個就是說 |
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13319.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].end |
13321.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].text |
在我們所有的企業界裡頭 |
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13321.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].end |
13322.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].text |
我們到底要怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].start |
13322.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].end |
13324.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].text |
尤其國科會這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].start |
13324.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].end |
13327.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].text |
我們要怎麼樣能夠協助企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].start |
13327.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].end |
13329.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].text |
來做這個運用AI |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].start |
13329.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].end |
13331.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].text |
現在似乎所有的企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].start |
13331.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].end |
13333.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].text |
大家都趕快派人出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].start |
13333.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].end |
13337.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].text |
來學習也就AI人才的一個訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].start |
13337.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].end |
13339.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].text |
在目前的情況是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].start |
13339.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].end |
13341.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].text |
但是我們也看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].start |
13341.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].end |
13342.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].text |
有一個做統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].start |
13342.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].end |
13344.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].text |
也超過五成的受訪人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].start |
13344.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].end |
13347.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].text |
認為高科技最快能夠導入AI |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].start |
13347.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].end |
13349.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].text |
消費跟零售服務業金融業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].start |
13349.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].end |
13352.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].text |
大概是15.9% |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].start |
13352.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].end |
13353.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].text |
醫療生技的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].start |
13353.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].end |
13355.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].text |
大概是11.2% |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].start |
13355.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].end |
13357.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].text |
國防軍工是4% |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].start |
13357.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].end |
13361.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].text |
傳統產業製造僅有2% |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].start |
13361.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].end |
13364.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].text |
所以我個人還是要請政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].start |
13364.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].end |
13366.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].text |
無論如何要加強協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].start |
13366.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].end |
13370.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].text |
中小企業的一個進行轉型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].start |
13370.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].end |
13373.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].text |
因為我們顯示出有四成的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].start |
13373.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].end |
13375.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].text |
包括傳統產業跟科技的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].start |
13375.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].end |
13379.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].text |
都希望政府可以來加重這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].start |
13379.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].end |
13382.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].text |
同時也希望在專屬的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].start |
13382.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].end |
13384.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].text |
跟獎勵方面可以有更多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].start |
13386.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].end |
13389.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].text |
專門的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].start |
13389.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].end |
13391.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].text |
加速AI的一個落地 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].start |
13391.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].end |
13393.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].text |
當然這必須要跨部位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].start |
13393.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].end |
13397.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].text |
但是三位是靈魂指揮中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].start |
13397.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].end |
13398.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].start |
13398.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].end |
13400.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].text |
這個謝謝委員委的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].start |
13401.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].end |
13403.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].text |
其實我們很少就注意到這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].start |
13403.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].end |
13406.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].text |
我們覺得最快的方式是從業界來訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].start |
13406.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].end |
13408.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].text |
所以三四年前我們成立一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].start |
13408.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].end |
13410.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].text |
叫人工智慧學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].start |
13410.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].end |
13411.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].text |
不屬於我們中間的編制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].start |
13411.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].end |
13414.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].text |
但是現在董事長是我們的院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].start |
13414.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].end |
13417.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].text |
但是所有的裡面的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].start |
13417.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].end |
13419.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].text |
包括執行長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].start |
13419.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].end |
13421.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].text |
像都是我們院裡的人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].start |
13421.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].end |
13425.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].text |
我們就從各個產業裡面去挑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].start |
13425.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].end |
13426.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].text |
他們來報名 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].start |
13426.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].end |
13428.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].text |
我們覺得他對業務最少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].start |
13428.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].end |
13431.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].text |
那從這裡去訓練他們會最快 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].start |
13431.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].end |
13433.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].text |
結果我們現在回報是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].start |
13433.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].end |
13435.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].text |
很多產業都非常感謝我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].start |
13435.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].end |
13437.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].text |
幫他們訓練這方面的人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].start |
13437.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].end |
13438.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].text |
非常好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].start |
13438.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].end |
13441.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].text |
所以這個部分怎麼樣加強國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].start |
13441.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].end |
13443.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].text |
在整個企業界裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].start |
13443.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].end |
13445.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].text |
我們到底要怎麼樣去協助他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].start |
13445.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].end |
13446.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].text |
各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].start |
13446.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].end |
13448.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].text |
其實國科會跟經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].start |
13448.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].end |
13450.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].text |
我們有一起合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].start |
13450.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].end |
13454.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].text |
在推動這個中小企業導入AI的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].start |
13454.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].end |
13456.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].text |
我們希望這個中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].start |
13456.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].end |
13458.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].text |
跟學界的老師可以相互合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].start |
13458.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].end |
13461.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].text |
來盡早的將AI導入他們的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].start |
13461.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].end |
13464.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].text |
目前也就是產業界都非常積極 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].start |
13464.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].end |
13467.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].text |
請他們的人員出來學習AI的人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].start |
13467.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].end |
13470.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].text |
但是學了之後他到底要怎麼放 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].start |
13470.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].end |
13472.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].text |
第二階段這個才是重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].start |
13472.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].end |
13475.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].text |
所以你把你的方案數面資料給本席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].start |
13475.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].end |
13476.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].start |
13476.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].end |
13479.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].text |
謝謝楊崇英委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].start |
13479.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].end |
13480.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].text |
請官員回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].start |
13480.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].end |
13485.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].text |
接下來有請張雅玲委員進行詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].start |
13491.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].end |
13492.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].start |
13492.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].end |
13494.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].text |
有請書發部次長侯次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].start |
13495.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].end |
13496.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].text |
請書發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].start |
13497.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].end |
13498.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].start |
13498.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].end |
13499.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].text |
啊 次長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].start |
13499.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].end |
13502.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].text |
看到你在這邊質詢你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].start |
13502.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].end |
13505.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].text |
畢竟我們以前過去是一起寫AI基本法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].start |
13505.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].end |
13506.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].text |
現在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].start |
13506.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].end |
13507.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].text |
好 那 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].start |
13508.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].end |
13510.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].text |
我想接下來就想要請教有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].start |
13510.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].end |
13513.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].text |
因為其實在AI基本法我一直非常關注的一個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].start |
13513.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].end |
13515.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].text |
就是有關於兒少的影響的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].start |
13515.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].end |
13518.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].text |
所以在這次的兒少影響性評估裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].start |
13518.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].end |
13520.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].text |
我有看到說我們做了這個評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].start |
13520.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].end |
13522.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].text |
但是其實裡面完全沒有兒少的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].start |
13522.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].end |
13525.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].text |
那書發部是告訴我們說因為時間有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].start |
13525.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].end |
13526.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].text |
所以沒有辦法參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].start |
13526.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].end |
13528.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].text |
但是其實在行政院內政處 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].start |
13528.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].end |
13531.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].text |
在專家諮詢會議上面也非常明確的建議說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].start |
13531.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].end |
13534.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].text |
應該要邀請我們的兒選會的兒少委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].start |
13534.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].end |
13535.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].text |
所以我想要了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].start |
13535.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].end |
13538.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].text |
為什麼我們還是沒有納入任何一位兒少的聲音呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].start |
13540.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].end |
13546.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].text |
跟委員報告確實因為在12月23號基本法通過以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].start |
13546.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].end |
13552.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].text |
附帶決議要求我們在三個月內要做三個影響評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].start |
13552.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].end |
13557.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].text |
那我們在這個過程中因為又 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].start |
13557.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].end |
13560.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].text |
牽涉到就是中間有過年的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].start |
13560.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].end |
13562.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].text |
那需要去做各部會的協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].start |
13562.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].end |
13565.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].text |
因為這個影響評估也不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].start |
13565.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].end |
13568.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].text |
就是不是只有書發部主責 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].start |
13568.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].end |
13572.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].text |
那還有其他包括是由吳政委這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].start |
13572.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].end |
13579.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].text |
然後還有這個就是跟院內的這個就是性評處人權處 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].start |
13579.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].end |
13582.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].text |
坦白說但我想因為我們還是可以邀請嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].start |
13582.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].end |
13585.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].text |
因為其實我們自己行政院本來就有兒選會了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].start |
13585.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].end |
13588.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].text |
我們接下來會持續滾動調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].start |
13588.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].end |
13589.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].text |
不是故意不要請 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].start |
13589.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].end |
13592.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].text |
我想因為這個兒少影響性評估的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].start |
13592.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].end |
13594.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].text |
它卻沒有兒少的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].start |
13594.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].end |
13596.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].text |
我認為是一個蠻大的問題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].start |
13596.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].end |
13599.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].text |
所以我在想喔就是因為接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].start |
13599.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].end |
13601.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].text |
我待會會再跟你們討論這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].start |
13601.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].end |
13603.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].text |
但是我現在有一個東西喔 |
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就是在這一次的問卷裡面 |
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我們雖然是參考了國際的風險管理通用的辦法 |
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去把可能性跟影響程度上面做出了一些評分 |
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但是我認為有一些是根本就不能夠評分 |
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它應該直接列為禁止事項 |
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例如就是說兒少性剝削的影像 |
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生成的問題這些其實根本 |
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或是兒少詐騙的這個 |
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這些勒索合成性影像的勒索等等的 |
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這些都應該是直接列為禁止且不能夠被接受的事項 |
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那展翅協會其實在會議之中 |
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或是他們後續要跟我們反應的時候也都有提到 |
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應該要有一條明確的界線 |
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那我想不曉得說 |
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這個次長您的看法又是怎麼樣呢 |
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我是不是應該要一個明確的界線 |
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直接說這個是完全禁止的事項 |
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跟委員報告 |
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我們在整個風險評估框架裡面 |
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包括了四個步驟 |
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第一個步驟是辨識這個盤點應用場景 |
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那第二個步驟是在特定的應用場景底下 |
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有哪些風險是識別風險 |
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那第三個步驟是評估這些風險 |
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的嚴重性和發生的可能性 |
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那第四個步驟就是剛剛您說到的 |
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到底針對哪些風險 |
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我們要做什麼樣的因應措施 |
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那這些因應措施確實包括了您說的 |
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是不是直接要進採取禁止的措施 |
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或者是必須要先審視 |
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或是要用什麼樣子的方式來限制 |
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那在這個評估報告裡面 |
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我們其實做到第三步 |
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那後續我們會持續其實已經開始 |
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包括 |
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會有第四條線直接把紅線畫出來 |
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好那就非常好 |
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因為我想就是因為次長您過去 |
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對這個議題非常非常的關注 |
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所以我相信就是說 |
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我也期待說我們還是秉持這樣子的專業 |
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在守護我們的兒少 |
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就是在哪一條完全不可以跨越的紅線 |
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就應該要直接把它採下去 |
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列出一個明確的 |
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所以接下來另外一個問題就是說 |
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其實因為在很多的團體裡面 |
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也有告訴我們 |
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其實在你們自己的會議 |
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應該都有收集到這些資料 |
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就是說我們對於這個問卷上面 |
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非常難以填寫 |
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而且不是只有一個專家學者這樣子講 |
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你可以看到光這個名單上面 |
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就有五個人說這份問卷非常難填寫 |
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所以您剛有提到說會做滾動式修正 |
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但是如果用這個方式做滾動式修正 |
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連大人都非常困難 |
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兒少一定是更加困難 |
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那對於這個部分的話 |
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我們是不是會重新檢討 |
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我們現在的一個研究的這個架構呢 |
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是 跟委員報告 |
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因為這一次其實是時程的關係 |
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我們又希望盡量能夠 |
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徵詢多數委員的意見 |
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多數專家學者意見 |
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因為當時要進行譬如說 |
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工作法或是審議 |
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了解了解因為時間有限 |
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我想是不是未來我們其實 |
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在這個現在的問卷架構之下 |
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研究流程上面我們都會重新做設計 |
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會的會的 |
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因為不然這個到時候收集到的意見 |
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要如何執行在現場 |
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跟實務上面用都要非常的困難 |
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那第二個就是回到我剛剛講的 |
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我們還是需要納入兒少的聲音 |
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那其實在過去呢 |
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兒少大會裡面也有提到說 |
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他們其實希望各個部會裡面呢 |
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是不是都可以有這個 |
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我們的兒權小組 |
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那是不是也可以趁這一次呢 |
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觸發部也來研議 |
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是不是來成立我們自己的兒權小組 |
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因為接下來我們要做滾動式修正嘛 |
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因為AI的變化非常非常的快 |
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是不是也可以就 |
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來成立這樣子的兒權小組 |
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那我們就可以更快的諮詢到這些 |
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兒少代表的意見呢 |
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是 跟委員報告 |
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因為現在是跟各部會進行協作 |
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那因為各部會都會 |
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需要透過這個流程 |
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所以我們的基本原則是 |
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希望運用原有既有的 |
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的機制 |
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然後我們把這個新的觀點放進去 |
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但是這樣子就是擔心時間會變 |
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討論時間變小 |
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13841.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].end |
13843.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].text |
變少嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].start |
13843.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].end |
13845.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].text |
一定會稀釋掉嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].start |
13845.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].end |
13847.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].text |
那衛福部這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].start |
13847.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].end |
13849.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].text |
因為我們其實在過程中都跟衛福部那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].start |
13849.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].end |
13851.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].text |
有聯繫請他們提供意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].start |
13851.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].end |
13853.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].text |
名單 那我們會跟衛福部這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].start |
13853.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].end |
13855.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].text |
來做協作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].start |
13855.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].end |
13857.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].text |
那看怎麼樣能夠把這部分的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].start |
13857.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].end |
13859.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].text |
盡量能夠具體呈現出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].start |
13859.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].end |
13861.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].text |
我也認為這個非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].start |
13861.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].end |
13863.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].text |
其實衛福部他這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].start |
13863.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].end |
13865.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].text |
本來就有自己的兒少的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].start |
13865.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].end |
13867.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].text |
推動小組會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].start |
13867.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].end |
13869.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].text |
他本來就有這個推動小組嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].start |
13869.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].end |
13871.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].text |
但是說我們是不是也就可以在觸發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].start |
13871.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].end |
13873.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].text |
裡面也就來成立啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].start |
13873.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].end |
13875.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].text |
我們就是會持續 因為兒少對於網路安全的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].start |
13875.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].end |
13877.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].text |
相關的議題來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].start |
13877.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].end |
13879.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].text |
其實是非常脆弱的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].start |
13879.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].end |
13881.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].text |
我們應該要更積極的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].start |
13881.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].end |
13883.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].text |
去了解他們現實的狀況嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].start |
13883.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].end |
13885.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].text |
所以如果我們可以有一個兒少小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].start |
13885.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].end |
13887.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].text |
我們就可以更積極的去了解他們的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].start |
13887.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].end |
13889.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].text |
收集他們的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].start |
13889.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].end |
13891.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].text |
我們可以研議是不是在兒少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].start |
13891.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].end |
13893.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].text |
成立一個在技術面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].start |
13893.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].end |
13895.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].text |
諮詢的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].start |
13895.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].end |
13897.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].text |
兒少的小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].start |
13897.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].end |
13899.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].text |
但是還是要跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].start |
13899.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].end |
13901.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].text |
因為各個主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].start |
13901.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].end |
13903.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].text |
他們必須要去做最後因應的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].start |
13903.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].end |
13905.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].text |
所以像剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].start |
13905.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].end |
13907.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].text |
我們識別出來這些非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].start |
13907.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].end |
13909.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].text |
高優先序的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].start |
13909.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].end |
13911.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].text |
還是要由衛福部他們去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].start |
13911.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].end |
13913.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].text |
基於他們的職長決定因應的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].start |
13913.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].end |
13915.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].text |
像大家都還是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].start |
13915.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].end |
13917.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].text |
諮詢嘛 然後互相對照嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].start |
13917.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].end |
13919.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].text |
那我們現在剛剛講的其實就是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].start |
13919.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].end |
13921.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].text |
更方便 速發部可以更積極 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].start |
13921.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].end |
13923.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].text |
更快速及時的得到兒少的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].start |
13923.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].end |
13925.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].text |
所以這部分可以研議對嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].start |
13925.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].end |
13927.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].text |
是的 好 那大概什麼時候我們可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].start |
13927.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].end |
13929.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].text |
追蹤相關的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].start |
13929.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].end |
13931.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].text |
那我們一個月內給委員回應好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].start |
13931.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].end |
13933.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].text |
謝謝你 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].start |
13933.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].end |
13935.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].text |
謝謝張雅玲委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].start |
13935.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].end |
13937.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].text |
請官員回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].start |
13937.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].end |
13939.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].text |
接下來有請洪育祥委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].start |
13939.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].end |
13941.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].text |
進行詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].start |
13950.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].end |
13952.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].start |
13952.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].end |
13956.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].text |
我請中研院國科會速發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].start |
13956.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].end |
13960.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].text |
請三個機關代表向備訓台 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].start |
13963.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].end |
13967.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].text |
好 各位長官好 來 下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].start |
13968.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].end |
13970.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].text |
這邊的話 我剛看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].start |
13970.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].end |
13972.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].text |
就是看完你們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].start |
13972.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].end |
13974.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].text |
交出來的一個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].start |
13974.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].end |
13976.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].text |
我們在 因為今天的題目是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].start |
13976.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].end |
13978.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].text |
主權AI |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].start |
13978.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].end |
13980.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].text |
那在當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].start |
13980.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].end |
13982.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].text |
國科會 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].start |
13982.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].end |
13984.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].text |
在我們的這個台德的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].start |
13984.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].end |
13986.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].text |
計畫裡頭的其實是很早 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].start |
13986.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].end |
13988.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].text |
我這邊是先讚美中研院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].start |
13988.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].end |
13990.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].text |
起碼在報告裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].start |
13990.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].end |
13992.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].text |
是有提到台德計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].start |
13993.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].end |
13995.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].text |
好幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].start |
13995 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].end |
13997 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].text |
國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].start |
13996.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].end |
13998.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].text |
速發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].start |
13999.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].end |
14001.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].text |
部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].start |
14001.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].end |
14003.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].text |
國科會 這你自己生的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].start |
14003.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].end |
14005.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].text |
現在應該放在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].start |
14005.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].end |
14007.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].text |
跟委員報告 現在台德還是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].start |
14007.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].end |
14009.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].text |
持續進行當中 我們正在跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].start |
14009.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].end |
14011.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].text |
還是在國科會 還是 跟中研院在合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].start |
14011.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].end |
14013.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].start |
14013.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].end |
14015.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].text |
那主要的話誰負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].start |
14015.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].end |
14017.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].text |
Ownership 誰負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].start |
14018.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].end |
14020.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].text |
我們是一起在做協作啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].start |
14020.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].end |
14022.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].text |
最怕聽到這種一起了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].start |
14022.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].end |
14024.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].text |
原有頭再有主啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].start |
14026.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].end |
14028.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].text |
那個跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].start |
14028.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].end |
14030.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].text |
我是中研院諮詢所所長廖宏源 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].start |
14030.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].end |
14032.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].text |
那現在是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].start |
14032.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].end |
14034.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].text |
整個台德計畫它是大型語言模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].start |
14034.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].end |
14036.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].text |
那而且是非 反理制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].start |
14036.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].end |
14038.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].text |
這個我知道你只要回答我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].start |
14038.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].end |
14040.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].text |
現在是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].start |
14040.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].end |
14042.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].text |
現在的模型跟優化是在中研院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].start |
14042.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].end |
14044.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].text |
那我把 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].start |
14044.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].end |
14046.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].text |
多模態的加進來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].start |
14046.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].end |
14048.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].text |
也就是把影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].start |
14048.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].end |
14050.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].text |
所以將來成功失敗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].start |
14050.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].end |
14052.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].text |
都是中研院負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].start |
14054.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].end |
14056.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].text |
這件事情是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].start |
14056.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].end |
14058.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].text |
有錢幫嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].start |
14058.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].end |
14060.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].text |
沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].start |
14060.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].end |
14062.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].text |
這樣就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].start |
14062.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].end |
14064.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].text |
我只要這個答案就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].start |
14064.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].end |
14066.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].text |
我參與過 我也是資訊領域的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].start |
14066.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].end |
14068.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].text |
國科會生的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].start |
14068.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].end |
14070.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].text |
所以現在你來企劃企劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].start |
14070.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].end |
14072.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].text |
就是中研院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].start |
14072.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].end |
14074.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].text |
如果企在不好怎麼樣都是中研院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].start |
14075.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].end |
14077.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].text |
這樣可以了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].start |
14077.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].end |
14079.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].text |
請中研院請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].start |
14080.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].end |
14082.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].text |
中研院 我感謝你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].start |
14082.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].end |
14084.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].text |
中研院可以請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].start |
14084.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].end |
14086.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].text |
其他兩位單位 蘇發部國科會留在台上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].start |
14086.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].end |
14088.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].start |
14087.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].end |
14089.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].start |
14088.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].end |
14090.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].text |
接下來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].start |
14090.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].end |
14092.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].text |
就是說政府針對台德計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].start |
14092.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].end |
14094.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].text |
投入這樣的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].start |
14094.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].end |
14096.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].text |
大概就是8億 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].start |
14094.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].end |
14096.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].text |
因為這些預算一定都是國科會編的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].start |
14096.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].end |
14098.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].text |
國科會不給我們錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].start |
14098.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].end |
14100.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].text |
我們其他部會也做不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].start |
14100.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].end |
14102.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].text |
到這邊的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].start |
14102.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].end |
14104.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].text |
這個Government台德的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].start |
14104.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].end |
14106.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].text |
就G-Tide 政府機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].start |
14106.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].end |
14108.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].text |
作為示範場域 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].start |
14108.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].end |
14110.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].text |
最後一個 誰負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].start |
14111.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].end |
14113.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].start |
14113.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].end |
14115.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].text |
G-Tide這一塊是國科會在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].start |
14115.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].end |
14117.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].text |
幫忙在做導入 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].start |
14117.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].end |
14119.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].text |
現在是有在做試用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].start |
14119.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].end |
14121.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].text |
好 那多少機關用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].start |
14121.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].end |
14123.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].text |
使用狀況 頻率 反饋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].start |
14125.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].end |
14127.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].text |
誰可以幫我們回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].start |
14129.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].end |
14131.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].text |
喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].start |
14131.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].end |
14133.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].text |
G-Tide這一塊我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].start |
14133.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].end |
14135.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].text |
數字上我不是那麼記得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].start |
14135.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].end |
14137.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].text |
好 那沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].start |
14137.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].end |
14139.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].text |
交報告給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].start |
14139.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].end |
14141.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].text |
一個禮拜內交報告給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].start |
14141.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].end |
14143.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].text |
因為我們都號稱說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].start |
14143.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].end |
14145.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].text |
要讓政府機關作為專用的示範場域 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].start |
14145.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].end |
14147.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].text |
自己生的小孩 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].start |
14147.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].end |
14149.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].text |
如果自己不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].start |
14151.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].end |
14153.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].text |
對不對 自己種的菜自己不吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].start |
14153.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].end |
14155.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].text |
那別人要吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].start |
14155.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].end |
14157.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].text |
很困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].start |
14156.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].end |
14158.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].text |
再來 速發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].start |
14159.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].end |
14161.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].text |
速發部在這裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].start |
14161.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].end |
14163.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].text |
我也支持這個概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].start |
14163.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].end |
14165.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].text |
打造主權AI的一個訓練的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].start |
14165.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].end |
14167.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].text |
語料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].start |
14167.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].end |
14169.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].text |
逾200個機關參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].start |
14169.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].end |
14171.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].text |
上架逾3500筆資料集 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].start |
14171.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].end |
14173.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].text |
累計逾12億個token |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].start |
14173.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].end |
14175.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].text |
好 當然12億token |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].start |
14175.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].end |
14177.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].text |
真的是很不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].start |
14177.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].end |
14179.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].text |
非常遠遠不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].start |
14179.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].end |
14181.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].text |
那我的問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].start |
14181.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].end |
14183.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].text |
這到底全國有2700多個機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].start |
14183.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].end |
14185.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].text |
所以真正參與到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].start |
14185.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].end |
14187.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].text |
大概7到8% |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].start |
14187.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].end |
14189.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].text |
那如果把你們寫的數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].start |
14189.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].end |
14191.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].text |
3500去除以現在200 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].start |
14194.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].end |
14196.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].text |
17.5筆資料平均每一個單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].start |
14198.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].end |
14200.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].text |
能看嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].start |
14200.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].end |
14202.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].text |
還是說這個是要告訴我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].start |
14202.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].end |
14204.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].text |
這是預算問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].start |
14204.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].end |
14206.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].text |
如果預算就要問隔壁那個國科會了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].start |
14206.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].end |
14208.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].text |
確實 第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].start |
14208.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].end |
14210.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].text |
跟委員報告 剛剛講的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].start |
14210.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].end |
14212.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].text |
台德的計畫裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].start |
14212.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].end |
14214.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].text |
8億6900 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].start |
14214.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].end |
14216.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].text |
13.8萬元裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].start |
14216.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].end |
14218.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].text |
並沒有包過語料庫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].start |
14218.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].end |
14220.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].text |
建置 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].start |
14220.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].end |
14222.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].text |
那語料庫的建置目前我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].start |
14222.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].end |
14224.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].text |
有邀請到200個機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].start |
14224.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].end |
14226.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].text |
參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].start |
14226.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].end |
14228.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].text |
那每一個機關我們都非常非常感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].start |
14228.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].end |
14230.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].text |
他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].start |
14230.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].end |
14232.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].text |
那實際上參與的機關其實他們都 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].start |
14232.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].end |
14234.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].text |
盡可能地拿出了更多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].start |
14234.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].end |
14236.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].text |
資料 那這些還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].start |
14236.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].end |
14238.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].text |
參與的機關當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].start |
14238.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].end |
14240.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].text |
委員也知道是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].start |
14240.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].end |
14242.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].text |
大多數我們會繼續努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].start |
14242.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].end |
14244.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].text |
那也跟地方政府這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].start |
14244.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].end |
14246.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].text |
我們也持續在推進 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].start |
14246.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].end |
14248.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].text |
當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].start |
14248.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].end |
14250.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].text |
因為上次的話我有書面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].start |
14250.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].end |
14252.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].text |
質詢 但報告還沒給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].start |
14252.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].end |
14254.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].text |
因為這裡頭牽扯到一個很重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].start |
14254.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].end |
14256.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].text |
問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].start |
14256.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].end |
14258.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].text |
因為這些的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].start |
14258.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].end |
14260.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].text |
如果你要有價值的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].start |
14260.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].end |
14262.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].text |
那有些東西你還是要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].start |
14262.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].end |
14264.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].text |
購買 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].start |
14264.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].end |
14266.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].text |
所以這裡頭到底是怎麼去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].start |
14266.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].end |
14268.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].text |
維運這個主角的語料庫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].start |
14268.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].end |
14270.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].text |
那現在我的問題是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].start |
14270.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].end |
14272.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].text |
台德有沒有用你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].start |
14272.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].end |
14274.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].text |
語料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].start |
14274.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].end |
14276.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].text |
跟委員報告台德現在有在用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].start |
14276.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].end |
14278.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].text |
這個語料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].start |
14278.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].end |
14280.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].text |
有在用喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].start |
14280.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].end |
14282.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].text |
我們在其實在語料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].start |
14282.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].end |
14284.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].text |
釋出前就已經跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].start |
14284.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].end |
14286.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].text |
中研院已經討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].start |
14286.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].end |
14288.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].text |
有就好 我怕的是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].start |
14288.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].end |
14290.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].text |
再下一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].start |
14290.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].end |
14292.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].text |
再來呢 因為今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].start |
14292.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].end |
14294.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].text |
大概就比較倒楣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].start |
14294.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].end |
14296.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].text |
只有速發部在 經濟部我也問過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].start |
14296.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].end |
14298.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].text |
國發基金呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].start |
14298.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].end |
14300.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].text |
這到時候我再來問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].start |
14300.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].end |
14302.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].text |
就是台德當初的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].start |
14302.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].end |
14304.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].text |
是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].start |
14303.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].end |
14305.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].text |
其實是讓我們主權AI嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].start |
14305.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].end |
14307.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].text |
所以不管是怎麼樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].start |
14307.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].end |
14309.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].text |
也就是說台灣的一些模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].start |
14309.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].end |
14311.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].text |
但混合對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].start |
14311.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].end |
14313.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].text |
都可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].start |
14313.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].end |
14315.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].text |
那我的問題是 速發部這邊喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].start |
14315.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].end |
14317.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].text |
我們根據你交的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].start |
14317.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].end |
14319.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].text |
輔導242家事業者開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].start |
14319.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].end |
14321.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].text |
266項AI模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].start |
14321.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].end |
14323.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].text |
服務80家產品化 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].start |
14323.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].end |
14325.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].text |
這些AI模型跟服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].start |
14325.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].end |
14327.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].text |
有沒有 不要講架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].start |
14327.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].end |
14329.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].text |
有多少是使用了台德 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].start |
14330.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].end |
14332.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].text |
的這樣的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].start |
14332.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].end |
14334.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].text |
報告委員喔 這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].start |
14334.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].end |
14336.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].text |
其實是您提到的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].start |
14336.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].end |
14338.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].text |
數字 是我們提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].start |
14338.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].end |
14340.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].text |
算力的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].start |
14340.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].end |
14342.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].text |
就是算力上面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].start |
14342.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].end |
14344.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].text |
這個業者開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].start |
14344.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].end |
14346.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].text |
的部分 那到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].start |
14346.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].end |
14348.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].text |
有多少運用到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].start |
14348.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].end |
14350.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].text |
我去統計嘛 我請 我等一下請 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].start |
14350.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].end |
14352.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].text |
這個素產署這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].start |
14352.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].end |
14354.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].text |
來回覆 那另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].start |
14354.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].end |
14356.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].text |
也要跟委員報告是 我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].start |
14356.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].end |
14358.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].text |
今年有一個新的計畫是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].start |
14358.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].end |
14360.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].text |
很明確會用到台德 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].start |
14360.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].end |
14362.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].text |
然後跟業者一起合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].start |
14362.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].end |
14364.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].text |
那這個預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].start |
14364.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].end |
14366.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].text |
就是要請委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].start |
14366.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].end |
14368.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].text |
支持這樣 那我請這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].start |
14368.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].end |
14370.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].text |
素產署這邊來回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].start |
14372.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].end |
14374.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].text |
報告委員喔 那台德的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].start |
14374.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].end |
14376.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].text |
我們在去年99上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].start |
14376.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].end |
14378.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].text |
這樣那個業者使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].start |
14378.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].end |
14380.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].text |
不過相關的數據我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].start |
14380.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].end |
14382.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].text |
要再回去再排一下 好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].start |
14382.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].end |
14384.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].text |
回去之後再交給我報告 好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].start |
14384.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].end |
14386.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].text |
我只想要知道 台灣花了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].start |
14386.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].end |
14388.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].text |
這麼多錢在做主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].start |
14388.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].end |
14390.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].text |
做出來我當然是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].start |
14390.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].end |
14392.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].text |
都有 這個方向是支持的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].start |
14392.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].end |
14394.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].text |
但是我說過 政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].start |
14394.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].end |
14396.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].text |
所有的執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].start |
14396.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].end |
14398.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].text |
計畫 說實在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].start |
14398.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].end |
14400.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].text |
都是執行力的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].start |
14400.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].end |
14402.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].text |
哪有你的KPI設的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].start |
14402.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].end |
14404.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].text |
對不對的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].start |
14405.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].end |
14407.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].text |
我想這個是給你們參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].start |
14407.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].end |
14409.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].text |
因為我也太熟你們了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].start |
14409.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].end |
14411.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].text |
所以我們就省略客討 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].start |
14411.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].end |
14413.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].text |
下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].start |
14413.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].end |
14415.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].start |
14414.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].end |
14416.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].text |
在下一頁那張圖 對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].start |
14417.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].end |
14419.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].text |
我希望喔 因為國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].start |
14419.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].end |
14421.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].text |
其實呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].start |
14421.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].end |
14423.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].text |
掌管著我們的科技預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].start |
14423.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].end |
14425.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].text |
這一點我是非常有意見的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].start |
14425.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].end |
14427.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].text |
因為學術歸學術的科技預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].start |
14427.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].end |
14429.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].text |
產業的歸產業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].start |
14429.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].end |
14431.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].text |
其實產業的需求 產業要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].start |
14431.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].end |
14433.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].text |
市場打仗的 這個最清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].start |
14433.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].end |
14435.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].text |
產業的技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].start |
14435.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].end |
14437.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].text |
它可能沒有辦法那麼遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].start |
14437.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].end |
14439.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].text |
但短中的這些要攻城掠地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].start |
14439.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].end |
14441.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].text |
所以我在想 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].start |
14441.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].end |
14443.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].text |
請各位去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].start |
14443.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].end |
14445.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].text |
借助一下韓國AI國家戰略 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].start |
14445.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].end |
14447.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].text |
非常的清楚 非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].start |
14448.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].end |
14450.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].text |
第一步 我一定是先充實我的算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].start |
14451.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].end |
14453.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].text |
所以你4萬張GPU追加 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].start |
14453.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].end |
14455.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].text |
跟NVIDIA26個單 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].start |
14455.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].end |
14457.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].text |
總共是30萬張 它會再往上堆疊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].start |
14457.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].end |
14459.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].text |
往上堆疊之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].start |
14459.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].end |
14461.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].text |
它把公共領域的算力分配5萬張 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].start |
14463.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].end |
14465.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].text |
民間領域的話就給它21萬張 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].start |
14465.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].end |
14467.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].text |
也就是它總共跟NVIDIA買的26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].start |
14467.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].end |
14469.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].text |
加它原本的4萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].start |
14470.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].end |
14472.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].text |
然後它的目的很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].start |
14472.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].end |
14474.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].text |
我都會背了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].start |
14473.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].end |
14475.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].text |
所以我還不得不佩服我們的何正宇 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].start |
14475.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].end |
14477.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].text |
韓國首席AI策略長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].start |
14477.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].end |
14479.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].text |
首席長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].start |
14480.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].end |
14482.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].text |
也就是說我先把我的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].start |
14483 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].end |
14487 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].text |
算力弄完 然後做完這些主權的AI的資料模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].start |
14487 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].end |
14489 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].text |
下一個就是要發揮台灣的特色 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].start |
14489 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].end |
14491 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].text |
就是你垂直領域的推論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].start |
14493.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].end |
14495.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].text |
那垂直領域的推論就很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].start |
14495.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].end |
14497.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].text |
你有工廠 你有製造化 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].start |
14497.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].end |
14499.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].text |
對不對 你有physical的AI |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].start |
14499.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].end |
14501.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].start |
14501.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].end |
14503.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].text |
不管是現代SK |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].start |
14504.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].end |
14506.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].text |
這些的集團就會進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].start |
14506.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].end |
14510.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].text |
這個東西的話你就會做到所謂的製造業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].start |
14510.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].end |
14512.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].text |
做到這個智慧移動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].start |
14512.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].end |
14514.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].text |
我想這一塊給各位參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].start |
14514.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].end |
14516.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].text |
非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].start |
14517.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].end |
14519.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].text |
三階段的一個動程 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].start |
14519.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].end |
14521.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].text |
然後整個最後是生態系出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].start |
14521.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].end |
14523.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].start |
14522.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].end |
14524.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].text |
如果我們的算力真的不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].start |
14524.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].end |
14526.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].text |
就請國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].start |
14526.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].end |
14528.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].text |
要幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].start |
14528.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].end |
14530.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].text |
第二個很重要的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].start |
14530.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].end |
14532.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].text |
我最後一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].start |
14532.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].end |
14534.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].text |
十秒就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].start |
14534.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].end |
14536.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].text |
請國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].start |
14534.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].end |
14536.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].text |
不要只看硬體 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].start |
14536.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].end |
14538.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].text |
我們AI整個軟體關鍵技術的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].start |
14538.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].end |
14540.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].text |
也多給我們這些產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].start |
14540.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].end |
14542.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].text |
跟相關的部會的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].start |
14542.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].end |
14544.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].text |
好不好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].start |
14544.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].end |
14546.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].start |
14545.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].end |
14547.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].text |
謝謝宏律翔委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].start |
14547.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].end |
14549.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].text |
請官員回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].start |
14551.58 |
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下一位蘇青全委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].start |
14553.58 |
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14555.58 |
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蘇青全委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].start |
14555.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].end |
14557.58 |
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蘇青全委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].start |
14557.37 |
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14559.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].text |
嚴寬恆委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].start |
14559.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].end |
14561.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].text |
嚴寬恆委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].start |
14561.37 |
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14563.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].text |
下一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].start |
14563.37 |
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14565.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].text |
有請葉元芝委員進行詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].start |
14575.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].end |
14577.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].text |
朱先生好 麻煩請速發部國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].start |
14578.26 |
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14580.26 |
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好 有請速發部國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].start |
14580.26 |
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14582.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].text |
上備詢台 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].start |
14585.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].end |
14587.04 |
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各位官員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].start |
14587.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].end |
14589.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].text |
我們今天 我們現在講AI |
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14589.04 |
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14591.04 |
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其實台灣大家都說台灣的AI |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].start |
14591.04 |
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14593.04 |
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算很蠻厲害 但是都是在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].start |
14593.04 |
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14595.04 |
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硬體啦 包括像我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].start |
14595.04 |
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14597.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].text |
股市都漲那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].start |
14597.04 |
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14599.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].text |
其實很多都AI的相關 但都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].start |
14599.04 |
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14601.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].text |
屬於硬體部分 但我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].start |
14601.04 |
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14603.04 |
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在軟體這一塊明明台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].start |
14603.04 |
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14605.04 |
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有很好的條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].start |
14605.04 |
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14607.04 |
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可是台灣的軟體 我不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].start |
14607.04 |
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14609.04 |
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現在政府對於軟體的投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].start |
14609.04 |
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14611.04 |
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有多少 |
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14611.04 |
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14613.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].text |
我們其實在上個世代 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].start |
14613.04 |
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14615.04 |
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像電子支付啊 這些的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].start |
14615.04 |
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14617.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].text |
台灣的軟體好像都有一些並沒有跟上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].start |
14617.04 |
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14619.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].text |
社群媒體等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].start |
14619.04 |
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14621.04 |
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那現在AI軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].start |
14621.04 |
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14623.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].text |
好不容易又有了一個新的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].start |
14623.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].end |
14625.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].text |
那到底我們對於AI |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].start |
14625.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].end |
14627.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].text |
軟體的輔導 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].start |
14627.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].end |
14629.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].text |
或者是給予的資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].start |
14629.04 |
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14631.04 |
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可能出現我們AI |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].start |
14631.04 |
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14633.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].text |
軟體的獨角獸 我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].start |
14633.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].end |
14635.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].text |
政府也應該要去重視這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].start |
14635.04 |
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14637.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].text |
那現在業界 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].start |
14637.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].end |
14639.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].text |
比較重視的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].start |
14639.04 |
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14641.04 |
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最主要就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].start |
14641.04 |
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14643.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].text |
在算力 |
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14643.04 |
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14645.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].text |
因為大部分商業的軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].start |
14645.04 |
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14647.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].text |
就是AI軟體他們要做機器人的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].start |
14647.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].end |
14649.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].text |
其實還是主要是跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].start |
14649.04 |
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14651.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].text |
國外的三大雲在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].start |
14651.04 |
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14653.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].text |
算力嘛 可是這個費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].start |
14653.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].end |
14655.04 |
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是非常驚人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].start |
14655.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].end |
14657.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].text |
他要做一個對話機器人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].start |
14657.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].end |
14659.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].text |
比如說好了要放在大賣場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].start |
14659.04 |
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14661.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].text |
然後去跟那個 |
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14661.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].end |
14663.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].text |
機器人 顧客去跟機器人對話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].start |
14663.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].end |
14665.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].text |
比如說找產品啊 或者是詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].start |
14665.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].end |
14667.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].text |
我要買什麼東西 那請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].start |
14667.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].end |
14669.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].text |
東西在哪裡 然後又問一些細節 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].start |
14669.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].end |
14671.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].text |
就五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].start |
14670.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].end |
14672.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].text |
他的算力就是非常可觀 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].start |
14672.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].end |
14674.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].text |
這個我不知道 蘇巴布知道這是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].start |
14676.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].end |
14678.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].text |
應該知道嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].start |
14678.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].end |
14680.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].text |
我們知道就是 |
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14680.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].end |
14682.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].text |
業界他們現在 |
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14682.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].end |
14684.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].text |
在後端會去對接 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].start |
14684.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].end |
14686.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].text |
各個不同的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].start |
14686.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].end |
14688.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].text |
就是大元模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].start |
14688.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].end |
14690.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].text |
但是在技術的發展中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].start |
14690.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].end |
14692.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].text |
我們 蘇巴布現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].start |
14692.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].end |
14694.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].text |
也在推進 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].start |
14694.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].end |
14696.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].text |
就是台灣本土的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].start |
14696.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].end |
14698.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].text |
小模型 小元模型的開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].start |
14698.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].end |
14700.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].text |
你不要搭肥所論好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].start |
14700.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].end |
14702.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].text |
就是我現在只是在講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].start |
14702.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].end |
14704.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].text |
現在我們在從軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].start |
14704.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].end |
14706.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].text |
業界軟體的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].start |
14706.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].end |
14708.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].text |
去探討這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].start |
14708.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].end |
14710.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].text |
你不用去跟我扯到你有沒有去研發 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].start |
14710.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].end |
14712.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].text |
小元 那個是另外一回事啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].start |
14712.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].end |
14714.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].text |
不要搭肥所問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].start |
14714.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].end |
14716.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].text |
所以如果說我們站在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].start |
14716.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].end |
14718.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].text |
因為我們的無限的創意是在民間嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].start |
14718.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].end |
14720.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].text |
如果今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].start |
14720.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].end |
14722.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].text |
政府能夠站在福島知道他們缺什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].start |
14722.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].end |
14724.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].text |
然後我們來協助他們的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].start |
14724.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].end |
14726.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].text |
我們可能就會出現非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].start |
14726.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].end |
14728.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].text |
就是很厲害的AI軟體啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].start |
14728.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].end |
14730.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].text |
甚至可以這個走向 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].start |
14730.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].end |
14732.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].text |
國際跟世界啊 所以你要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].start |
14732.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].end |
14734.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].text |
幫忙解決問題 那大家現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].start |
14734.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].end |
14736.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].text |
最在care的就是算力嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].start |
14736.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].end |
14738.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].text |
因為現在算力的費用非常可觀 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].start |
14738.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].end |
14740.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].text |
那我想請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].start |
14740.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].end |
14742.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].text |
我們政府一直在講說要建立 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].start |
14742.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].end |
14744.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].text |
那個算力中心嘛 對吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].start |
14744.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].end |
14746.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].text |
那現在大概是要編列多少預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].start |
14746.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].end |
14748.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].text |
來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].start |
14753.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].end |
14755.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].text |
多少預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].start |
14758.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].end |
14760.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].text |
跟委員會報 我們在AI新時代建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].start |
14760.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].end |
14762.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].text |
裡面有大概編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].start |
14762.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].end |
14764.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].text |
四十幾億在四十幾億做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].start |
14766.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].end |
14768.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].text |
編列四十幾億做算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].start |
14769.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].end |
14771.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].text |
一百一十五年 經典模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].start |
14771.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].end |
14773.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].text |
你終極目標是要花多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].start |
14775.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].end |
14777.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].text |
終極目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].start |
14778.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].end |
14780.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].text |
報告委員 那像我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].start |
14780.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].end |
14782.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].text |
沙崙的這個AI |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].start |
14782.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].end |
14784.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].text |
Data Center的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].start |
14784.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].end |
14786.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].text |
我們目前就是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].start |
14786.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].end |
14788.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].text |
就是主機 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].start |
14788.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].end |
14790.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].text |
的部分大概有一百二十三億 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].start |
14790.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].end |
14792.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].text |
四年到一百一十七年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].start |
14792.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].end |
14794.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].text |
四年編了一百二十三億 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].start |
14794.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].end |
14796.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].text |
就是沙崙的這個AI Data Center |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].start |
14796.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].end |
14798.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].text |
對 好 那除了這之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].start |
14798.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].end |
14800.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].text |
還有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].start |
14799.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].end |
14801.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].text |
剛剛講的是不包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].start |
14801.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].end |
14805.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].text |
就是土建的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].start |
14805.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].end |
14807.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].text |
那另外還有其他目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].start |
14807.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].end |
14809.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].text |
包含在京創那邊有相關的資源投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].start |
14809.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].end |
14811.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].text |
所以總共多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].start |
14811.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].end |
14813.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].text |
你們知道馬斯克他要建立 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].start |
14813.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].end |
14815.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].text |
那個算力中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].start |
14815.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].end |
14817.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].text |
你知道總共花多少錢嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].start |
14818.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].end |
14820.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].text |
你們知道多少嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].start |
14820.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].end |
14822.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].text |
馬斯克 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].start |
14821.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].end |
14825.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].text |
他建算力中心 總共花了五十億美金 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].start |
14825.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].end |
14827.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].text |
五十億美金就是一千多億台幣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].start |
14827.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].end |
14829.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].text |
那你現在是編一百多億嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].start |
14829.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].end |
14831.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].text |
對 不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].start |
14831.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].end |
14833.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].text |
是我們國家的資源投入是一百多億 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].start |
14833.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].end |
14835.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].text |
那請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].start |
14835.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].end |
14837.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].text |
你覺得夠嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].start |
14837.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].end |
14839.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].text |
各位委員們我們會再做持續的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].start |
14839.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].end |
14841.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].text |
你已經編到一百一十七年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].start |
14841.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].end |
14843.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].text |
四年 你四年的計畫也才這樣而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].start |
14845.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].end |
14847.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].text |
而且這個算力只會越來越大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].start |
14849.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].end |
14851.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].text |
所以我們現在是會採公司協力方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].start |
14851.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].end |
14853.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].text |
跟民間多多合作來去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].start |
14853.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].end |
14855.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].text |
跟民間合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].start |
14855.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].end |
14857.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].text |
所以其實感覺上是有點不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].start |
14857.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].end |
14859.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].text |
但第二個問題就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].start |
14859.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].end |
14861.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].text |
那我們現在國家建置的算力中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].start |
14861.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].end |
14863.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].text |
如果軟體業者他要來使用的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].start |
14863.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].end |
14865.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].text |
那是用什麼方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].start |
14865.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].end |
14867.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].text |
租 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].start |
14867.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].end |
14869.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].text |
然後補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].start |
14869.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].end |
14871.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].text |
還是用什麼方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].start |
14871.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].end |
14873.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].text |
我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].start |
14873.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].end |
14875.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].text |
國網中心所擁有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].start |
14875.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].end |
14877.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].text |
算力中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].start |
14877.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].end |
14879.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].text |
我們現在有提供一個叫AIRAP的平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].start |
14879.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].end |
14881.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].text |
那我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].start |
14881.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].end |
14883.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].text |
我們有大略規劃了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].start |
14883.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].end |
14885.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].text |
三分之一的算力是提供給 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].start |
14885.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].end |
14887.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].text |
新創的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].start |
14887.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].end |
14889.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].text |
或者中小企業他們可以來做申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].start |
14889.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].end |
14891.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].text |
那我們會有一些補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].start |
14891.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].end |
14893.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].text |
是補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].start |
14893.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].end |
14895.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].text |
那是優惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].start |
14895.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].end |
14897.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].text |
那是怎麼樣的優惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].start |
14897.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].end |
14899.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].text |
大概價格跟一般他如果去租三大雲的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].start |
14899.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].end |
14901.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].text |
會差到多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].start |
14903.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].end |
14905.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].text |
會差到多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].start |
14904.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].end |
14906.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].text |
一定比他們便宜啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].start |
14906.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].end |
14908.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].text |
一定比較便宜我知道啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].start |
14908.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].end |
14910.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].text |
你難道比較貴人家會跟你租嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].start |
14910.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].end |
14912.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].text |
大概是便宜多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].start |
14912.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].end |
14914.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].text |
為什麼今天你們回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].start |
14914.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].end |
14916.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].text |
問題都 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].start |
14916.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].end |
14918.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].text |
我們都有定價啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].start |
14918.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].end |
14920.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].text |
是便宜多少嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].start |
14920.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].end |
14922.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].text |
你已經花納稅人的錢建置了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].start |
14922.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].end |
14924.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].text |
那為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].start |
14924.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].end |
14926.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].text |
花納稅人的錢建置就是希望能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].start |
14926.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].end |
14928.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].text |
透過一些方式去輔導 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].start |
14928.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].end |
14930.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].text |
我們產業的發展因為他可能是未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].start |
14930.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].end |
14932.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].text |
下一顆星星啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].start |
14932.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].end |
14934.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].text |
你不是強調自己AI內閣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].start |
14934.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].end |
14936.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].text |
所以你的租金當然比外國便宜 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].start |
14936.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].end |
14938.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].text |
不然誰要跟你租 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].start |
14938.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].end |
14940.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].text |
我現在問的是你租金大概便宜多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].start |
14941.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].end |
14943.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].start |
14943.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].end |
14945.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].text |
我回去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].start |
14945.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].end |
14947.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].text |
他們的價格一直在變啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].start |
14947.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].end |
14949.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].text |
因為這個變化很快 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].start |
14949.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].end |
14951.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].text |
你們自訂一個政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].start |
14951.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].end |
14953.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].text |
做一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].start |
14953.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].end |
14955.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].text |
自訂的一個政策都沒有去思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].start |
14955.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].end |
14957.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].text |
說我價格大概訂到多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].start |
14957.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].end |
14959.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].text |
我幫助得了產業都沒有去想 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].start |
14959.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].end |
14961.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].text |
這個問題喔我現在問理論上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].start |
14961.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].end |
14963.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].text |
你應該對答如流了還要回去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].start |
14964.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].end |
14966.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].text |
這個公委員報了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].start |
14966.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].end |
14968.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].text |
書發部這邊有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].start |
14968.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].end |
14970.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].text |
這個算力的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].start |
14970.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].end |
14972.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].text |
那那個部分是透過審查流程是免費的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].start |
14972.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].end |
14974.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].text |
所以是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].start |
14974.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].end |
14976.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].text |
是新創來跟書發部申請都免費是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].start |
14976.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].end |
14978.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].text |
那審查要件是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].start |
14978.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].end |
14980.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].text |
審查要件我請這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].start |
14980.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].end |
14982.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].text |
蘇產署的同仁跟你們補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].start |
14982.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].end |
14984.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].text |
報告委員我們審查要件就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].start |
14984.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].end |
14986.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].text |
他的新引進 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].start |
14986.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].end |
14988.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].text |
還有他可以產品化這些等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].start |
14988.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].end |
14990.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].text |
這些對那個產業的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].start |
14990.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].end |
14992.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].text |
AI產業發展比較多的這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].start |
14992.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].end |
14994.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].text |
的一些要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].start |
14994.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].end |
14996.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].text |
那請問一下他申請的算力有上限嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].start |
14996.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].end |
14998.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].text |
我們還是要看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].start |
14998.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].end |
15000.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].text |
有上限嗎上限多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].start |
15000.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].end |
15002.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].text |
我們大概是用點數來算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].start |
15002.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].end |
15004.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].text |
大概1萬點2萬點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].start |
15004.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].end |
15006.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].text |
1萬點2萬點是指什麼一個月1萬點2萬點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].start |
15006.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].end |
15008.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].text |
不是我們就是一個週期 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].start |
15008.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].end |
15010.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].text |
一個週期大概一個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].start |
15010.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].end |
15012.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].text |
1萬點1個點數 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].start |
15012.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].end |
15014.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].text |
我們大概是算就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].start |
15014.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].end |
15016.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].text |
10萬token這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].start |
15016.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].end |
15018.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].text |
類似這樣子就是有一個定量 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].start |
15018.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].end |
15020.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].text |
因為我們的算力不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].start |
15020.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].end |
15022.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].text |
所以我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].start |
15022.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].end |
15024.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].text |
就是用排隊的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].start |
15024.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].end |
15026.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].text |
對所以就是很有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].start |
15026.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].end |
15028.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].text |
就講的好像很厲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].start |
15028.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].end |
15030.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].text |
然後什麼AI內閣講了一大堆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].start |
15030.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].end |
15032.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].text |
然後業界真正需要的算力就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].start |
15032.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].end |
15034.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].text |
很有限然後問個價格 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].start |
15034.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].end |
15036.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].text |
也講不太清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].start |
15036.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].end |
15038.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].text |
那我知道你們一直在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].start |
15038.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].end |
15040.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].text |
政府一直在講主權AI主權AI |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].start |
15040.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].end |
15042.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].text |
但是說實在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].start |
15042.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].end |
15044.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].text |
政府當然有發展主權AI |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].start |
15044.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].end |
15046.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].text |
的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].start |
15046.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].end |
15048.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].text |
可是其實業界對於主權AI |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].start |
15048.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].end |
15050.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].text |
期望不高 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].start |
15050.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].end |
15052.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].text |
大家都認為這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].start |
15052.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].end |
15054.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].text |
但是他們比較沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].start |
15054.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].end |
15056.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].text |
其實算力才是最相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].start |
15056.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].end |
15058.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].text |
如果假設我們想要輔導我們的AI |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].start |
15058.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].end |
15060.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].text |
軟體的話真的算力這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].start |
15060.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].end |
15062.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].text |
應該要多投入一些資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].start |
15062.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].end |
15064.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].text |
比起主權AI啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].start |
15064.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].end |
15066.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].text |
那我想問一下你們講的主權AI |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].start |
15066.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].end |
15068.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].text |
是指大宇的模型嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].start |
15068.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].end |
15070.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].start |
15070.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].end |
15072.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].text |
主權AI其實不只是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].start |
15072.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].end |
15074.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].text |
大宇的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].start |
15074.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].end |
15076.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].text |
有沒有包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].start |
15076.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].end |
15078.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].text |
會包括大宇的模型但是更重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].start |
15078.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].end |
15080.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].text |
是人才資料算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].start |
15080.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].end |
15082.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].text |
能夠訓練AI的一個能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].start |
15082.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].end |
15084.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].text |
當然啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].start |
15084.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].end |
15086.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].text |
都需要嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].start |
15086.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].end |
15088.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].text |
因為這是一個整體嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].start |
15088.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].end |
15090.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].text |
那我想請教一下我們現在要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].start |
15090.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].end |
15092.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].text |
建置自己的大宇模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].start |
15092.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].end |
15094.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].text |
那現在有趕上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].start |
15094.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].end |
15096.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].text |
OpenAI兩年前的OpenAI嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].start |
15100.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].end |
15102.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].text |
誰可以回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].start |
15102.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].end |
15104.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].text |
說話部說話部不能回答嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].start |
15104.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].end |
15106.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].text |
你們不是輔導軟體的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].start |
15106.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].end |
15108.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].text |
我們現在的主權AI |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].start |
15108.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].end |
15110.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].text |
大宇模型有沒有趕上兩年前的OpenAI |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].start |
15110.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].end |
15112.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].text |
委員指的主權AI |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].start |
15112.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].end |
15114.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].text |
是指哪一個模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].start |
15114.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].end |
15116.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].text |
我們現在政府的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].start |
15116.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].end |
15118.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].text |
要發展的大宇模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].start |
15118.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].end |
15120.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].text |
我們在策略上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].start |
15120.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].end |
15122.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].text |
並不著重於大宇模型的開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].start |
15122.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].end |
15124.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].text |
我們著重的是特用型的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].start |
15124.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].end |
15126.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].text |
那並不是要去開發一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].start |
15126.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].end |
15128.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].text |
像OpenAI那樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].start |
15128.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].end |
15130.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].text |
所以我們的主權AI |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].start |
15130.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].end |
15132.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].text |
不是大宇模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].start |
15132.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].end |
15134.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].text |
是特用模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].start |
15134.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].end |
15136.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].text |
那如果委員說的主權AI的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].start |
15136.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].end |
15138.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].text |
我們數發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].start |
15138.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].end |
15140.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].text |
應該不是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].start |
15140.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].end |
15142.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].text |
專注在您所定義的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].start |
15142.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].end |
15144.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].text |
模型這個上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].start |
15144.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].end |
15146.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].text |
而是在建構整個台灣主權AI能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].start |
15146.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].end |
15148.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].text |
包括您剛所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].start |
15148.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].end |
15150.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].text |
人才資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].start |
15150.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].end |
15152.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].text |
然後資金 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].start |
15152.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].end |
15154.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].text |
算力這些能力上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].start |
15154.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].end |
15156.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].start |
15156.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].end |
15158.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].text |
委員剛講的大宇 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].start |
15158.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].end |
15160.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].text |
主權AI的大宇模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].start |
15160.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].end |
15162.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].text |
是不是專門指這個台德的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].start |
15162.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].end |
15164.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].text |
可能要請中原院來跟您說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].start |
15164.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].end |
15166.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].start |
15166.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].end |
15168.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].text |
那請中原院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].start |
15169.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].end |
15171.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].text |
向委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].start |
15171.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].end |
15173.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].text |
您剛提到這個OpenAI的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].start |
15173.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].end |
15175.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].text |
那我們確實有拿一個OpenAI的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].start |
15175.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].end |
15177.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].text |
模型作為參考的基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].start |
15177.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].end |
15179.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].text |
他去年有一顆叫做OSS |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].start |
15179.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].end |
15181.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].text |
20B的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].start |
15181.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].end |
15183.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].text |
那我們拿他來當作一個參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].start |
15183.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].end |
15185.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].text |
我們的模型在一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].start |
15185.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].end |
15187.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].text |
公務系統的應用上面的服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].start |
15187.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].end |
15189.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].text |
他的這個對於台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].start |
15189.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].end |
15191.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].text |
知識台灣的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].start |
15191.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].end |
15193.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].text |
認知的這個能力是有超越 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].start |
15193.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].end |
15195.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].text |
原版的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].start |
15195.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].end |
15197.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].text |
OpenAI的這個OSS的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].start |
15197.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].end |
15199.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].text |
我們現在已經超過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].start |
15199.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].end |
15201.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].text |
OpenAI |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].start |
15201.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].end |
15203.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].text |
ChapGPT |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].start |
15203.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].end |
15205.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].text |
其中一顆比較小的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].start |
15205.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].end |
15207.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].text |
我們有超過他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].start |
15207.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].end |
15209.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].text |
有超過一顆比較小的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].start |
15209.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].end |
15211.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].text |
那我講的大宇的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].start |
15213.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].end |
15215.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].text |
他是比較小的大宇的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].start |
15215.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].end |
15217.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].text |
比較小的大宇的模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].start |
15217.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].end |
15219.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].text |
所以他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].start |
15219.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].end |
15221.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].text |
那加油啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].start |
15221.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].end |
15223.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].text |
我是中原自訓所 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].start |
15223.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].end |
15225.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].text |
我也是台德跟台德計畫裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].start |
15225.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].end |
15227.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].text |
剛剛您講的那個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].start |
15227.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].end |
15229.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].text |
我們大型音樂模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].start |
15229.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].end |
15231.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].text |
我們台灣以我們的規模 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].start |
15231.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].end |
15233.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].text |
我們人口的規模這些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].start |
15233.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].end |
15235.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].text |
我們沒有辦法跟Google |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].start |
15235.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].end |
15237.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].text |
或者是OpenAI這種大公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].start |
15237.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].end |
15239.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].text |
來PD這種General的LM |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].start |
15239.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].end |
15241.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].text |
是沒有辦法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].start |
15241.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].end |
15243.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].text |
或者就是說把他的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].start |
15243.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].end |
15245.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].text |
當作一個Foundation Model |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].start |
15245.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].end |
15247.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].text |
帶到中油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].start |
15247.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].end |
15249.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].text |
經過Supervised Fine Tuning或Pretraining |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].start |
15249.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].end |
15251.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].text |
來帶到中油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].start |
15251.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].end |
15253.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].text |
讓我們的百工百業在中油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].start |
15253.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].end |
15255.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].text |
我們有比較大的軟體公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].start |
15255.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].end |
15257.3 |
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來做到中油或者是像中原 |
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或者是國科會這樣的 |
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的政府機構來幫助 |
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我們的中小企業把上面 |
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那種大型音樂模型想辦法 |
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帶到中油來 |
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讓中油再做一個平台 |
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來Support我們台灣 |
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的百工百業 |
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所以我們沒有能力 |
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就像剛剛講的算力 |
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我問這個問題主要是這樣 |
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就是說我們大家講一個AI |
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講的很大方向很大 |
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但是真正落實到大家 |
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真正的需求 |
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有沒有真的具體照顧的到 |
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就像主權AI喊的很大 |
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因為我們每個國家都要主權AI |
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但是實際上做出來的東西 |
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大家真的用不用得到 |
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還是說其實大部分的人還是會去用 |
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比如說Google |
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或是Tweezer |
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這是大家關切的問題 |
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不要談太多口號 |
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15310.64 |
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我跟委員報告一下是有實際用到的 |
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比如說我們 |
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最近用了一個影像的部分 |
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15316.64 |
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我們就在上游的部分就用 |
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EURO V7 EURO V9 |
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就是我們台灣中原院自己發展出來的 |
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世界級的物件真正系統 |
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那易隆電子 |
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15326.64 |
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新竹的上市公司易隆電子 |
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他把它加工以後 |
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結合聯發科跟聯勇的 |
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15333.26 |
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12奈米的晶片 |
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還有NVIDIA的 |
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Orin的晶片 |
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把它合在一起軟硬體結合以後 |
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15341.26 |
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訓練一個中游的平台放在 |
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CCTV上面 |
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因為以前我們的六都 |
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我們的CCTV在 |
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比如說交通中心的話看到都只是看到 |
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Video但是都沒有做 |
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任何的處理 |
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但是現在易隆電的這個系統 |
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他是等於結合剛剛講的 |
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用台灣本土的 |
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帶到中游去 |
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他現在這個CCTV是用在高雄的捷運 |
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的車廂裡面 |
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那這車廂裡面他就可以去觀察 |
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車廂裡面的狀態 |
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這是實際的用途 |
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謝謝 |
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好謝謝葉源之委員的質詢 |
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請官員回座 |
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蔡易宇委員 |
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蔡易宇委員蔡易宇委員 |
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不當 |
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今天登記質詢的委員 |
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均已發言完畢 |
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詢答結束 |
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那關於本日會議呢 |
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作出以下決定 |
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報告及詢答完畢 |
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委員所提書面質詢 |
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或相關資料均列入 |
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記錄刊登公報 |
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對於委員質詢時要求提供的 |
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相關資料或未及答覆 |
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的部分請相關的 |
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機關儘速以書面 |
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答覆那報告委員會 |
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今天議程全部處理完畢 |
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大家辛苦了 |
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現在休息散會 |
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再見 |
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