| IVOD_ID |
171575 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171575 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-6-22-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第6會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-22T12:00:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-22T12:09:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
張雅琳 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:00:56 - 12:09:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第6會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請教育部部長鄭英耀、法務部、內政部警政署及衛生福利部列席就「毒品校園篩檢、毒品滲入校園現況及防制、科技查緝策略暨跨部會輔導戒治機制」進行專題報告，並備質詢） |
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好 有請部長 |
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4 |
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6 |
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有請部長 |
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10 |
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12 |
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部長好 委員好 |
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首先還是要請部長就是說 |
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14 |
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因為今天早上有九台教材跟九大工會的教師 |
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其實有來表達一些意見 |
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23 |
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那還是希望教育部今天想請問一下 |
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27 |
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我們會不會派人過去瞭解他們的訴求呢 |
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28 |
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33 |
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有 有 我們人事主任有氣質 |
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33 |
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35 |
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好 那我還是希望說 |
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35 |
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38 |
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我們應該還是要積極的來跟大家做溝通 |
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38 |
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40 |
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那就回到我今天的題目 |
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40 |
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42 |
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就是說教育部在七月初宣布 |
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44 |
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後續將配合讀為條例 |
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44 |
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47 |
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來去針對校園拖曳快篩 |
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47 |
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50 |
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推動這個校園拖曳快篩機制 |
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50 |
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54 |
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那他也會針對依循現在做尿檢的方式 |
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54 |
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57 |
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針對特定人員來做篩檢 |
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57 |
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59 |
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那我想問一下這個聽起來 |
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59 |
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62 |
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我的理解是尿檢跟拖曳篩檢 |
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62 |
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65 |
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針對的特定人員的標準是一致的嗎 |
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65 |
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67 |
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是的 好 一致的 好 |
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67 |
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68 |
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那我想問一下 |
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68 |
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71 |
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因為現在我們的評估參考原則裡面 |
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71 |
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74 |
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很多不是說發現學生有持有 |
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74 |
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75 |
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或是有施用 |
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75 |
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77 |
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而是從他的生活行為交友情形 |
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77 |
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80 |
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甚至是家庭背景來判斷風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
80 |
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81 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
那所以就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
81 |
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82 |
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例如他可能缺課啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
82 |
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84 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
或是他可能交友複雜啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
84 |
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87 |
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金錢使用狀態突然改變啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
87 |
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89 |
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關係 家庭功能不佳 |
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89 |
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91 |
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關係不佳等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
91 |
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92 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
那可是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
92 |
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94 |
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部長我要跟部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
94 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
96 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
我們依據警察職權刑事法 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
96 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
97 |
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要對人民排查的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
97 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
100 |
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都必須要有合理懷疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
100 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
103 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
或有事實足認的具體基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
103 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
104 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
就例如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
104 |
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106 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
我昨天也才質詢過司法法制的 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
106 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
108 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
就是我們的流行檢察官 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
108 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
110 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
涉毒今年2月的這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
110 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
111 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
111 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
112 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
就是說我們查到 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
112 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
114 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
他有甲基安非他命的殘渣帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
114 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
117 |
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我們才進一步做這個尿液送驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
117 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
119 |
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那是為什麼我們到了學生身上 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
119 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
120 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
就只是因為他可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
120 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
122 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
礦課學家庭功能不佳 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
122 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
125 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
或者是說他的交友複雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
125 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
128 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
就要變成去做毒品篩檢呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
128 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
130 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
那我也要跟部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
130 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
131 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
我們現在喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
131 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
133 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
其實我看了一下國建署 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
133 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
134 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
從113年喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
134 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
137 |
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你們送驗了人次是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
137 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
140 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
陽性率只有大概2% |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
140 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
142 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
所以大概等於說 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
142 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
145 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
100個人就有98個孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
145 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
147 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
可能是無辜的 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
147 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
151 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
這98個孩子可能是會被標籤的 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
151 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
155 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
好所以我想我們這個特定人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
155 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
157 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
要如何確保說 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
157 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
159 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
我們今天的具體的判斷界線 |
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159 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
161 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
應該要劃在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
161 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
163 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
我們是不是可以持續的精進 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
163 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
164 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
我們是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
164 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
166 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
部長是不是同意啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
166 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
168 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
因為從這個數字看起來就是這樣嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
168 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
170 |
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你篩檢就是有98個孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
170 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
172 |
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確實我想委員所關心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
172 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
174 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
這也是我們從教育的觀點 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
174 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
177 |
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我們不希望學生因為檢查會受標籤 |
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我們當然有許多的一個 |
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許多的一個學生的許多的一些 |
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182 |
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這個外在的一些表徵 |
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184 |
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187 |
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然後老師怎麼透過關心 |
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187 |
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189 |
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怎麼樣從預防中醫治療 |
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189 |
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190 |
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我相信我們 |
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190 |
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193 |
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我們光國小的學生有120萬 |
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193 |
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194 |
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我們不可能每一個 |
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所以我們相當程度 |
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196 |
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198 |
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怎麼樣從教育的觀點 |
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198 |
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我同意但是我現在的問題 |
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對但是我現在的問題就是說 |
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我們的特定人員 |
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203 |
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目前你看起來你現在已經行之有年了 |
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過去是這樣列地沒有我也接受 |
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但是這麼多年來 |
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210 |
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其實陽性率就是這麼低啊 |
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213 |
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是應該也要檢討啊 |
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213 |
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216 |
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我想我們怎麼去精進那一個 |
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216 |
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218 |
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那一個整個判定 |
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218 |
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220 |
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從更臨床的專業 |
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220 |
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222 |
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也能夠有醫療上專業人力的協助 |
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222 |
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223 |
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我覺得這個是要 |
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225 |
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這個是我們不能夠說 |
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225 |
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227 |
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他今天交友複雜 |
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227 |
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229 |
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我們就認為沒有沒有沒有 |
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229 |
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232 |
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我想到不是成為一個被快篩的理由 |
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232 |
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234 |
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所以就是說 |
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234 |
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235 |
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那我想再問第二個問題 |
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235 |
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238 |
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我們現在已經被列進去的這些特定 |
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238 |
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240 |
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人員要持續觀察輔導的名單 |
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240 |
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243 |
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多久他可以移出呢 |
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243 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
244 |
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如果他篩檢出來 |
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244 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
245 |
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他真的是無辜的孩子 |
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245 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
247 |
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第二年他還要被篩嗎 |
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247 |
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249 |
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第三年他還要被篩嗎 |
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249 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
250 |
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我想請教一下部長 |
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250 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
252 |
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我想我們每一次的這一個 |
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252 |
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253 |
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不管定期或者 |
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253 |
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256 |
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等於說對特定學生的這樣一個篩選 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
256 |
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258 |
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他一定有一個專業上 |
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258 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
260 |
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從臨床專業上的一個判準 |
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260 |
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263 |
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我們不會這個學生動不動去 |
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263 |
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265 |
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說這一個我們要 |
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265 |
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266 |
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沒關係我就問部長 |
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266 |
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267 |
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簡單一個問題好了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
267 |
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269 |
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一個孩子列進這個特定人設名單 |
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269 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
272 |
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他沒有他篩出來不是陽性的 |
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272 |
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273 |
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那沒有以後當然 |
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273 |
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274 |
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他就會移開嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
274 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
275 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
275 |
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276 |
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他就會移除了嗎 |
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276 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
279 |
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以我們目前來講當然是這樣的 |
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279 |
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281 |
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是嗎我之前聽到的好像 |
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281 |
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284 |
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在議會議裡邊來判斷說 |
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284 |
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287 |
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當然有一些他假設他過去曾經 |
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287 |
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289 |
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這一個有這樣一個經驗 |
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289 |
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292 |
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那當然也許我們怎麼樣去協助他 |
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292 |
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294 |
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那程序上我想單一的個案 |
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294 |
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296 |
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大概我很難在這邊把他講清楚 |
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296 |
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297 |
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我現在要跟你討論個案 |
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297 |
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299 |
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我現在講的是說一個標準 |
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299 |
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300 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
我們的機制流程 |
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300 |
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302 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
如果這個孩子他被列進在特定人員 |
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302 |
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304 |
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即便你未來的標準 |
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304 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
306 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
滾動式修正之後 |
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306 |
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308 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
更精進可是因為可能還是會有一些孩子 |
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308 |
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310 |
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在這個過程之中是無辜的嘛 |
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310 |
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311 |
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對不對 |
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311 |
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313 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
那他一旦無辜了之後 |
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313 |
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316 |
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他什麼時候可以離開這個特定人員的 |
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316 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
317 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
名單裡面 |
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317 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
319 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
這個才是我想跟你討論 |
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319 |
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321 |
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我才想了解的部分 |
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321 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
323 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
因為我們就是在講不要去標籤孩子 |
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323 |
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326 |
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這也是這幾年大家很關注的議題 |
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326 |
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327 |
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所以這個部分 |
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327 |
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330 |
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是不是可以請教育部具體的來檢討 |
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330 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
332 |
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把這些程序上保障好 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
332 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
334 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
那多久可以給我一份報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
334 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
謝謝委員提醒 |
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335 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
336 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
我想這是必要的 |
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336 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
337 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
那我整個程序 |
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337 |
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342 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
我們再來看這個學校實際的這個運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
342 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
344 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
跟這個整個機制 |
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344 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
345 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
看怎麼樣有進行的空間 |
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345 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
347 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
大概多久可以給我一個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
347 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
350 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
針對我們如何去把這個特定人員的標準多些調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
350 |
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351 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
是我們三個月 |
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351 |
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353 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
然後給委員一個比較詳細的 |
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353 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
354 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
在未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
354 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
356 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
兩個月好不好年底前好不好 |
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356 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
357 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
年底前可以 |
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357 |
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358 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
12月31號前 |
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358 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
那抱歉 莊委員 |
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359 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
360 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
我再佔用一點時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
360 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
362 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
我要講電子營運回收的部分 |
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362 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
再一分鐘 謝謝 |
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363 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
因為你剛剛也都超時很久 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
366 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
再給我兩分鐘就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
366 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
367 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
再一分鐘 |
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367 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
368 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
兩分鐘 |
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368 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
371 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
好 衛福部從9月8號開始呢 |
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371 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
374 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
衛福部從9月8號開始設置了電子營回收點 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
374 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
375 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
目前呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
375 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
376 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
抱歉 請衛福部 |
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376 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
378 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
抱歉 請衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
378 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
379 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
379 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
380 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
衛福部呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
380 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
384 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
目前全台灣從9月8號開始到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
384 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
總共是回收了633公斤 |
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387 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
換算大概是12664支 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
391 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
那我想問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
391 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
395 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
就是說我們現在你覺得這樣子的成績是好的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
395 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
你給自己打幾分 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
400 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
目前應該是說我們針對這個部分先建立一個通路 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
400 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
403 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
那至少70分這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
403 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
404 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
好 我想跟部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
404 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
406 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
我們這裡距離還非常遙遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
406 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
409 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
因為美國建築114年的青少年吸煙調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
409 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
我們現在的使用率 |
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411 |
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415 |
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國高中生就有4萬名青少年正在使用電子煙 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
所以等於是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
如果我們假設他一人只有一支 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
你這樣子的回收率其實非常低的 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
那我想問的下一個問題就是如何精進呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
其實我看到你們是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
你們有去做一些廣告啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
428 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
一些宣傳啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
428 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
可是事實上大家真的知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
原本說你們有參考新加坡 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
可是我發現新加坡其實是有透過學生年輕族群 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
生活周遭的公車站 公車捷運站 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
電影院都有做宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
主動提升觸及 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
最後才用問卷後測來確認民眾到底有沒有收到 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
這個回收的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
以及知道回收的地點在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
所以我想要知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
你們現在的我看不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
你們有針對學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
有更直接更主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
因為學生是所有人關注的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
所以我想知道你們要如何讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
因為新法就要上路了 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
最後的時間就在這裡了 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
你要怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
因為我們都不希望孩子無辜受罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
是 謝謝委員剛剛的提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
那我們這邊其實也有跟教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
教育部這邊就是校園裡面的一個宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
那這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
但是我剛剛講的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
校園宣導是既有的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
我現在講的就是新加坡 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
新加坡它明明就是在我的生活學 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
學生去電影院學生搭公車的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
這個部分我們會再加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
可不可以精進 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
因為時間只剩很暴走 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
多久可以給我精進方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
這個部分我們想在半個月之內好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
兩個禮拜是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
對對對 謝謝 |