| IVOD_ID |
171572 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171572 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-6-22-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第6會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-22T11:31:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-22T11:54:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:23:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:31:17 - 11:54:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第6會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請教育部部長鄭英耀、法務部、內政部警政署及衛生福利部列席就「毒品校園篩檢、毒品滲入校園現況及防制、科技查緝策略暨跨部會輔導戒治機制」進行專題報告，並備質詢） |
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0 |
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葉元之 召委 |
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8 |
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10 |
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左協好 麻煩請鄭部長 |
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10 |
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12 |
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有請部長 |
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16 |
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18 |
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委員好 部長好 |
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18 |
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20 |
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現在因為新興毒品的問題 |
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20 |
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22 |
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校園防毒的議題當然越來越重要 |
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22 |
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24 |
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那我是蠻遺憾的啦 |
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24 |
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26 |
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剛剛吳思達委員居然 |
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26 |
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28 |
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指控說教育文化委員會 |
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28 |
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30 |
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什麼搞政治攻防 |
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30 |
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32 |
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然後造謠什麼的 |
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32 |
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34 |
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我非常遺憾 |
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34 |
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36 |
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那今天為什麼很多人會提到沈柏楊文章 |
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36 |
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38 |
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就是因為現在他的討論度高 |
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38 |
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40 |
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然後他之前的文章被翻出來 |
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40 |
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42 |
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那他過去的文章的主張 |
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42 |
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44 |
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就是覺得 |
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44 |
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46 |
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校園篩檢是一個很噁爛的行為 |
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46 |
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48 |
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那部長你會覺得 |
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48 |
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50 |
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校園篩檢很噁爛嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
50 |
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52 |
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你會覺得很噁爛嗎 |
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52 |
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54 |
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我想從教育的觀點 |
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54 |
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56 |
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我們當然希望學生能夠遠離毒品 |
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56 |
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58 |
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當然嘛 |
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58 |
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60 |
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那所以因為他現在 |
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60 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
62 |
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引起話題討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
62 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
64 |
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那大家會覺得說 |
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64 |
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66 |
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是不是校園不能篩檢 |
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66 |
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68 |
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所以當然也需要部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
68 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
70 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
以正視聽啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
70 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
72 |
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校園為什麼要篩檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
72 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
74 |
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因為當我們在演出有同學有吸毒 |
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74 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
76 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
那我們要幫助他 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
76 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
78 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
譬如說鐵拳教育也有演 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
78 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
80 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
有的學生他就被毒品控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
80 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
82 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
本來成績很好後來成績一落千丈 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
82 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
84 |
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甚至於要一直跟家人要錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
84 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
86 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
那你跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
86 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
88 |
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主要就是論點就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
88 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
90 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
他到底是要用普篩 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
90 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
92 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
還是對抗 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
92 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
94 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
我們來看一下他的文章 |
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94 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
96 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
那從學校來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
96 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
98 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
你聽我講啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
98 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
100 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
譬如說他的文章一開始就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
100 |
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102 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
在罵新北市教育局 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
102 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
104 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
他說新北市教育局提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
104 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
106 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
說要針對學生健康檢查的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
106 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
108 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
增加尿篩毒品項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
108 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
110 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
當然這是普篩 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
110 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
112 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
但是他不是針對普篩 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
112 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
114 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
他是針對下面的劃線部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
114 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
116 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
他說讓人手心發汗 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
116 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
118 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
是新北市這陣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
118 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
120 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
一連串的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
120 |
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122 |
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譬如說有什麼配置 |
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一氧化碳檢測機 |
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126 |
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還有針對有疑慮者做檢測 |
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你現在不就是針對 |
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有疑慮者做檢測嗎 |
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剛剛講的就是 |
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134 |
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說什麼高風險啊這些就是有疑慮者 |
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所以針對有疑慮者 |
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做檢測都是讓他 |
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138 |
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140 |
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覺得手心發汗 |
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140 |
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這就是他的看法 |
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就是校園不能篩檢 |
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因為校園篩檢就是手心發汗 |
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然後再者我們後面 |
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因為我們也不要去脈絡化 |
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152 |
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他講說毒品問題可以怎麼做 |
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ABC |
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A毒品非法化抓起來編 |
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就對了B將毒品 |
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除罪化對有毒 |
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癮者予以協助 |
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164 |
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C尋找吸毒的社會原因 |
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減少吸毒的個人動機 |
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168 |
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然後予以協助 |
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168 |
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他把做法分成ABC |
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但是ABC有的根本沒衝突啊 |
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譬如說A的部分 |
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毒品非法化你也是可以 |
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針對有毒癮者予以協助啊 |
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對毒品管制啊 |
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減少吸毒的個人動機啊 |
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所以先做一個很奇怪的 |
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三分法 |
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然後用排除的方式 |
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然後去選擇他要做的事情 |
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會是覺得很奇怪啊 |
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然後他就講說A政策就是最差勁的政策 |
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那就直接就講說 |
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新北市就是要毒品非法化 |
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然後抓起來編 |
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202 |
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但人家新北市要求篩檢 |
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不是說只是抓起來編好不好 |
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新北市說要篩檢的目的 |
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當然就是要給毒癮者予以協助啊 |
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也要減少個人吸毒動機啊 |
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所以先貼標籤再亂罵一通 |
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然後讓在教育現場的人 |
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提出這個辦法 |
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然後好像就覺得好像很不應該 |
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沒有嘛我覺得 |
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這個這樣子是對當時 |
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新北市教育局其實那時候也是希望 |
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能夠減少校園毒品的問題 |
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重點是要幫助學生 |
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怎麼會被貼標籤說很差勁啊 |
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230 |
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很噁爛 |
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那我想問部長 |
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秀出剛剛那一頁好不好 |
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上面那一頁我想問部長 |
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現在如果學校 |
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有針對那個高風險者 |
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篩檢然後發現問題了 |
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有沒有給予協助有吧 |
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有嘛啊有沒有要罰他們 |
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250 |
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252 |
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國中有沒有 |
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252 |
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254 |
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我們不是用來 |
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就是嘛 |
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當時新北市教育局也不是說 |
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要抓起來罰人家 |
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是要幫助他們嘛 |
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所以這樣的觀點現在這個 |
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要選市長當然大家會怕啊 |
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268 |
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你怎麼會這麼極端呢 |
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270 |
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完全就是扭曲新北市教育局的 |
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做法那當你當了市長 |
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274 |
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之後你會不會繼續扭曲 |
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所以會引起討論嘛 |
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我們來看下一頁 |
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280 |
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然後你看他講說新北市要做的是 |
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280 |
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比A政策更噁爛 |
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282 |
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284 |
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這個新北市噁爛 |
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他說因為在學校就要把一些既定的 |
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288 |
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刻板印象融合成一個犯罪 |
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288 |
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嫌疑人的印象進而 |
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290 |
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292 |
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做出篩檢 |
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292 |
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294 |
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現在只要針對可疑者 |
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294 |
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296 |
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做篩檢就是 |
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298 |
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要營造一個犯罪嫌疑人 |
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298 |
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300 |
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印象然後給他貼標籤 |
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那如果是這樣的話你們也不能夠 |
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304 |
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現在學校都不能做校園篩檢 |
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因為你只要做校園篩檢 |
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我教育部目前所做的標準我們這個有 |
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跟這個高風險的標準 |
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我們這個標準事實上是比較 |
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316 |
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按照他的文章寫法你這就是要 |
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318 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
營造一種犯罪嫌疑者的印象 |
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320 |
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我們並不是有餘力就全部就去 |
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只要有就是有這個印象嘛 |
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324 |
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你看下面 |
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326 |
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紅線畫出來的部分 |
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326 |
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328 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
中錯生適應學校不良者 |
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328 |
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330 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
CNN者飛行者的印象就會在 |
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330 |
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332 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
政策執行者的腦中 |
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332 |
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334 |
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漸漸浮現你針對這些人去做篩檢 |
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334 |
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336 |
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你就會覺得他們很不好了 |
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338 |
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最後我們來看 |
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340 |
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那他說 |
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342 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
如果B政策除罪的話 |
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344 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
因為他本來是想說最好是除罪的話 |
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344 |
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346 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
然後提供這個減少動機 |
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346 |
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348 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
但如果太過天機的話 |
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348 |
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350 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
那台灣可以仿照其他國家 |
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350 |
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352 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
某些國家建立社區中心 |
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352 |
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354 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
提供吸毒者毒品與乾淨的針頭 |
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354 |
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356 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
並導入涉動機制 |
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358 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
這個文章是2014年寫的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
360 |
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我請教一下2014年 |
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360 |
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362 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
那個時候有沒有美沙東了 |
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362 |
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364 |
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請請那個衛福部長 |
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364 |
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366 |
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有沒有 |
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366 |
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368 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
方大委員那個時候是有 |
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368 |
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370 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
我們總共2005年 |
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370 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
372 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
205年就開始了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
372 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
374 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
所以他在2014年寫這份文章的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
374 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
376 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
他還說要仿照某些國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
376 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
378 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
他講的就不是美沙東嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
378 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
380 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
因為美沙東早就在實施了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
380 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
382 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
何必還要仿照其他國家呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
382 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
384 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
那結果蔣萬安講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
384 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
386 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
美沙東 喔 忽然就什麼什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
386 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
388 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
醫護人員出征說 你怎麼可以罵我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
388 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
我們現在實施美沙東怎麼可以罵我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
392 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
這完全是張冠禮帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
392 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
394 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
那所以這就是為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
394 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
一開始剛剛那時候羅志祥委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
398 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
他說要被告 他也要澄清啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
398 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
400 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
我今天把文章直接這樣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
400 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
402 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
大家都知道 欸 不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
402 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
404 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
那個場內委員要聊天可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
404 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
406 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
因為你們已經打擾到我了 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
406 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
408 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
暫停時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
408 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
410 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
不好意思 我 嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
410 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
就是要開同樂會的話可不可以到外面開 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
414 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
沒有沒有 我們都小聲一點 所有的人都小聲一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
414 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
不針對任何人 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
那請尊重我們質詢的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
420 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
420 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
422 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
把時間還給委員 好 我們繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
422 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
就是說 所以羅志祥委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
他剛剛講 他講的就講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
428 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
我們文章讀就是這樣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
428 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
剛剛第一個陳培育委員在講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
怎麼要增加文章試讀 對啊 我們就來試讀啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
到底是不是講的是美沙東 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
如果2014年 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
寫的文章 美沙東 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
440 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
已經在做了快十年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
440 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
他還需要仿效其他國家做美沙東嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
有人是這樣寫文章的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
所以這個社區 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
448 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
中心提供吸毒者毒品 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
448 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
450 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
跟真頭講的就不是美沙東 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
450 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
那我覺得沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
這個沈柏楊候選人 沈柏楊委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
458 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
他2014年或許很偏激 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
458 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
460 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
他覺得不應該校園篩檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
460 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
任何都不要普篩 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
464 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
也不能針對嫌疑者普篩 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
464 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
因為這樣就是柔和什麼犯罪的形象 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
然後他認為要在社區中心提供吸毒者 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
毒品跟真頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
他覺得他那時候的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
但他可能十幾年之後改了 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
也OK啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
那為什麼就是一直去扭曲這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
之前的講法扭曲到現在大家不知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
到底校園到底是能不能進行篩檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
所以我想請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
現在校園篩檢是可以的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
政部長可以的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
可以的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
等於說我們這一個有 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
特定的這個學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
就可以嘛 我們是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
我知道你們有列冊嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
你們有列冊嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
所以是可以的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
所以跟他那時候寫的就不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
這沒有什麼造謠不造謠 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
這文章就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
然後第二件事情我想請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
512 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
我們現在在學校裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
512 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
514 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
如果要針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
514 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
第一個你可以針對造冊者 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
進行篩檢是可以的 只是說還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
脫一塊塞嘛 是尿一塊塞 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
那如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
不在那個列冊名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
526 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
內的話你如果覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
526 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
比如說他疑似吸毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
神清很奇怪 或者是很多人指控 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
有指正立地說他有吸毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
但他沒有在那個名冊上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
你是不能強迫對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
這要家長同意的啊 是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
那現在會衍生出一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
我請教一下部長 我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
我們驗毒不是希望能夠懲罰他 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
是希望幫助他 但是如果他拒絕咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
比如說在學校裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
他現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
他現在就說我不要 我就不要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
尿尿 因為現在是先尿疫嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
或者是未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
拓疫他說我不要吐嘛 我不要吐口水啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
那怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
因為這個拒絕的學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
或者是家長 我們當然還是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
在這個 跟他詳細的 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
這個做說明嘛 那如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
570 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
他真的不願意的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
570 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
那我們就請這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
574 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
校外會或者 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
574 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
這個醫療警政單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
來做協助 會直接通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
警政單位是不是 強制嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
請協助 也是協助嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
那他還是不要咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
欸 我 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
我說如果還是不要咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
沒有或警政署 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
592 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
警政署今天有派人嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
那請問 那部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
600 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
如果在學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
600 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
部長講說如果在學校裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
他就是不願意配合檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
他可能是列冊名單喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
他不願意配合檢驗 然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
部長是講說會請警察來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
那警察通常是怎麼協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
警察通常是怎麼協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
官委報告喔 這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
當然還是要遵得家長的同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
還是要家長的同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
對 或者是他必須 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
視為法律上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
626 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
現行犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
626 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
就持有毒品啦 明確身上帶有毒品啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
等等類似這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
所以這就是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
我覺得這就是一個漏洞嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
這就是一個漏洞啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
我覺得大家可能還是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
640 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
再考慮一下這個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
640 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
就是說 假設 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
644 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
因為現在校園非常複雜嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
644 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
646 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
有的幫派也有滲入校園 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
646 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
648 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
然後新興毒品進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
648 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
如果你都已經知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
652 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
他可能疑似吸毒了 都沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
652 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
654 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
對他檢測 他就是不檢測 也現在其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
654 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
656 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
是拿他沒有辦法 如果家長不管 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
656 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
658 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
因為很多問題可能也是家庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
658 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
造成的問題 家長不管 那這個學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
這個吸毒狀況就會持續下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
我覺得部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
可能還是大家 你們這幾個部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
還是要研究一下怎麼去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
670 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
然後第二 其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
670 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
那個可以請回 我再問一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
部長那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
676 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
我有看到行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
676 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
678 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
有開記者會 就是說要增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
678 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
680 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
校安人力 到兩千人嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
680 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
682 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
非常感謝 因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
682 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
部長應該知道我從2024年 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
686 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
開始我就不斷的爭取校安人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
686 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
688 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
那個時候第一年爭取到 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
688 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
國中一位 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
部長那時候你當部長嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
後來我一直跟部長也利用總質詢的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
696 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
跟院長講說 高中 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
696 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
國中是六個班一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
700 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
國中是六十個班一位 所以希望國中可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
700 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
702 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
比照高中 當時不管是部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
702 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
704 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
或者是院長 總統太院長的回答都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
704 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
706 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
要跟地方商量 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
706 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
什麼才華法怎樣怎樣怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
710 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
沒有錢 那我特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
710 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
712 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
我講說大家現在討論這個事情要不要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
712 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
如果需要做的話 錢大家再來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
716 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
後來行政院說 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
716 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
要弄第五類保全 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
第五類保全 那大家有疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
722 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
就是說第五類保全感覺是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
722 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
軍警介入校園 我也跟當時的次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
你不在 那時候是張廖 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
728 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
我說既然行政院要做這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
728 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
只是不同的形式 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
732 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
不如請教育部去跟行政院爭取預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
732 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
把它變成學校裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
編制內校安人員 學校沒有疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
也可以幫助維持 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
740 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
校安 欸 就是感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
740 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
742 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
你們終於從善如流 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
742 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
744 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
在應該是上個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
744 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
746 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
還上上個月 有宣布要增加兩千 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
746 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
748 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
個人力 那我想請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
748 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
750 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
這個細節 第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
750 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
752 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
這個校安人員是不是就是編制 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
752 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
754 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
跟之前的校安人員一模一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
754 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
756 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
只是以前在國中是60個班一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
756 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
758 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
現在就是人數變多 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
758 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
但是大家的職權是一樣的 是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
性質跟職權是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
我們基本上從 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
766 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
這個高中職的一個經驗裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
766 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
我們看到這個怎麼樣去協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
在國中裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
讓老師能夠更安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
更安心的一個專心的教書 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
776 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
然後學生學習 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
776 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
778 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
所以性質是一樣的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
778 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
780 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
所以基本上性質是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
780 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
782 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
希望說學校的偶發狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
782 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
784 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
學校的一些安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
784 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
是以還有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
788 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
譬如說我們現在在談黃圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
788 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
790 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
能夠有增加這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
790 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
所謂的這個專門人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
794 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
能夠來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
794 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
第二個他們薪資是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
798 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
是三萬六到四萬七嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
800 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
802 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
802 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
804 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
我們心目中的一個薪資 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
804 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
806 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
當然這樣我們覺得是 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
806 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
808 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
比較偏低的 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
808 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
810 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
預算在編列跟地方的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
810 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
812 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
我基本上我會希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
812 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
再高一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
816 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
再高一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
816 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
818 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
我簡單提醒兩件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
818 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
820 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
第一個如果是三萬六到四萬七 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
820 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
822 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
我們會擔心說是不是沒辦法遭到 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
822 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
824 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
真的有相關的專業訓練的人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
824 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
826 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
第一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
826 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
828 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
所以你們可以考慮說預算在增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
828 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
830 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
當然我們絕對會支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
830 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
832 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
第二件事情是我之前有提過 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
832 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
834 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
其實如果有一些退休的軍警 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
834 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
836 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
他們願意回到校園 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
836 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
838 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
我認為是一個很不錯的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
838 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
840 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
就像高中現在有些學校還是有教官 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
840 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
842 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
他們是訓練有素的 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
842 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
844 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
所以如果軍警退休 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
844 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
846 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
我們也有一些校園人員的課程 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
846 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
848 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
可是他們如果是退休軍警回到校園 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
848 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
850 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
三萬六到四萬七 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
850 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
852 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
他的薪水比如說四萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
852 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
854 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
他就卡住了 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
854 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
856 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
退休人員的天花板 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
856 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
858 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
其實我們規劃中的 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
858 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
860 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
我們希望中的這個校園人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
860 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
862 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
就說他不是退休人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
862 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
864 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
能夠應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
864 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
866 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
接近五萬左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
866 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
868 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
所以第一個你提高五萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
868 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
870 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
你看人們接到到專業人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
870 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
872 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
第二個是如果希望一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
872 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
874 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
退休軍警因為他們訓練過 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
874 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
876 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
有的其實退休還蠻年輕的 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
876 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
878 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
他如果願意回到校園 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
878 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
880 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
他薪資會卡住 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
880 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
882 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
所以我跟羅廷瑋那時候我們有提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
882 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
884 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
就希望能夠打開軍警 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
884 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
886 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
公教的他們的薪資天花板 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
886 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
888 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
888 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
890 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
可以打開他們就可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
890 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
892 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
擔任這個工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
892 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
894 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
被吳思堯陳培渝罵說 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
894 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
896 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
我們是要演雙星肥貓 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
896 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
898 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
我是不知道說請退休軍警 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
898 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
900 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
回來擔任校安人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
900 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
902 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
或區學校幫忙為什麼是雙星肥貓 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
902 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
904 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
這個現在學校缺老師了 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
904 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
906 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
然後他們回來貢獻專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
906 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
908 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
要被罵雙星肥貓 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
908 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
910 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
受這種標籤的侮辱 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
910 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
912 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
所以我希望我們就事論事 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
912 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
914 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
吳思堯委員講說不要把政治帶到教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
914 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
916 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
我們現在就討論教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
916 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
918 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
如果部長署長你們認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
918 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
920 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
這個確實退休軍警 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
920 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
922 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
回來擔任這種校安人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
922 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
924 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
是不錯的考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
924 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
926 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
我們一起來思考怎麼把他的天花板 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
926 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
928 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
來透過一些修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
928 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
930 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
讓他們可以來做這個職務 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
930 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
932 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
我覺得是一個努力的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
932 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
934 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
以目前來講他們本來就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
934 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
936 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
假設他願意他也 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
936 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
938 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
在我們學校的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
938 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
940 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
可能比如說你薪水提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
940 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
942 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
4萬7000他就超過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
942 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
944 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
因為他要修上 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
944 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
946 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
所以你如果把他 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
946 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
948 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
打開比如說往上調 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
948 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
950 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
比如說5萬他現在是對地薪資 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
950 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
你調5萬他就不會受限 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
954 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
我也利用這個機會讓委員知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
954 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
956 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
像他們這個校安人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
956 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
958 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
他還有另外的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
958 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
960 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
比如說他的工時上因為配合學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
960 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
962 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
許多的一些安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
962 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
964 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
一個維護而有必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
964 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
966 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
有時候星期假日或者 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
966 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
968 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
活動或者這個加班他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
968 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
970 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
事實上還有另外的一個加班位 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
970 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
972 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
是可以領的 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
972 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
974 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
我們講的是不同的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
974 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
976 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
最後啦這個昨天 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
976 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
978 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
那個因為那個次長有來啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
978 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
980 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
部長您沒有來我很快問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
980 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
982 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
因為你們在教師節的時候拍了一個進師影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
982 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
984 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
那個進師影片後來 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
984 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
986 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
被老師罵翻了主要原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
986 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
988 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
是因為裡面情節很多都會害 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
988 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
990 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
老師被進入到校事會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
990 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
992 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
比如說老師在 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
992 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
994 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
課堂上面宣布成績 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
994 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
996 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
這個就會被投訴進入校事會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
996 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
998 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
第二老師把學生帶到陶藝教室 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
998 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
1000 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
一對一這個也會被投訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
1000 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
1002 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
進入校事會議老師為了表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
1002 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
1004 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
鼓勵有拍學生的肩 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
1004 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
1006 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
這個進入校事會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
1006 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
1008 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
那我是覺得很荒謬啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
1008 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
1010 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
就是說為什麼教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
1010 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
1012 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
進師會拍了一個這樣的影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
1012 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
1014 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
這個代表你們跟基層離很遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
1014 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
1016 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
那我昨天問 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
1016 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
1018 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
次長他是說他沒看過 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
1018 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
1020 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
然後說是施藝師 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
1020 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
1022 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
剩的就直接送出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
1022 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
1024 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
我想問一下部長你有看過這個影片嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
1024 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
1026 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
我看過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
1026 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
1028 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
不是腳本你有審嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
1028 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
1030 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
腳本我沒有審 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
1030 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
1032 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
你是他上網之後你才看 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
1032 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
1034 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
我現在想問說因為這個戲劇 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
1034 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
1036 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
這個影音你怎麼去關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
1036 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
1038 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
學生用什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
1038 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
1040 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
等於說肢體原 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
1040 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
1042 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
摸接著這個的一個表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
1042 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
1044 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
怎麼樣在畫面上能夠呈現 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
1044 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
1046 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
我想我們當然可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
1046 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
1048 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
更精進啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
1048 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
1050 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
我跟你講第一線的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
1050 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
1052 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
其實碰學生大部分都是表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
1052 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
1054 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
一種關心但是很多時候他表達關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
1054 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
1056 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
他就被投訴到校事會議嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
1056 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
1058 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
所以你們的影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
1058 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
1060 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
就是表達關心結果你就送到校事會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
1060 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
1062 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
我覺得這個問題是在於說 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
1062 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
1064 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
你們的腳本 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
1064 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
1066 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
或者是因為昨天施藝師的施長有講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
1066 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
1068 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
他有跟教師有討論過 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
1068 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
1070 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
你們的教師就是可能已經大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
1070 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
1072 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
20年沒教書了吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
1072 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
1074 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
所以你現在跟基層 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
1074 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
1076 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
例如說現在在第一線 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
1076 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
1078 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
他一個小時可能20堂課 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
1078 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
1080 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
的那種老師你們都沒有跟他接觸啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
1080 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
1082 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
如果你是跟現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
1082 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
1084 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
第一線那種一個禮拜還有20堂課的 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
1084 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
1086 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
老師接觸他一定會告訴你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
1086 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
1088 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
第一幕就會進入校事會議喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
1088 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
1090 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
進到校事會議就會進入校事會議喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
1090 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
1092 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
1092 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
1094 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
所以我不在乎太多時間啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
1094 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
1096 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
第一個剛剛羅庭偉委員有講 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
1096 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
1098 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
校事會議3.0有送來 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
1098 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
1100 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
但是還是要持續去跟第一線的 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
1100 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
1102 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
老師接觸 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
1102 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
1104 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
不要去跟那些那種 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
1104 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
1106 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
可能已經脫離教育現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
1106 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
1108 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
一段時間的人他們給你的不見得是 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
1108 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
1110 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
第一線的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
1110 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
1112 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
這是我第一個建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
1112 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
1114 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
第二個建議我們剛剛講到沈柏楊 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
1114 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
1116 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
沈柏楊說他 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
1116 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
1118 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
忽然間重視注意到 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
1118 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
1120 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
他忽然間注意到這個缺老師的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
1120 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
1122 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
所以要辦一個市長我不想幹了的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
1122 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
1124 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
要邀請老師來表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
1124 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
1126 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
心聲說為什麼不想幹了 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
1126 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
1128 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
我那時候是覺得很好笑啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
1128 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
1130 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
因為缺老師的話題我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
1130 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
1132 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
教育文化委員會考慮討論兩年多 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
1132 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
1134 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
但是因為他是國防委員會他沒有關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
1134 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
1136 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
忽然間關係也很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
1136 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
1138 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
以資用火也不錯但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
1138 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
1140 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
老師不想幹的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
1140 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
1142 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
我們都知道很多是中央政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
1142 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
1144 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
比如說校事會議濫述 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
1144 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
1146 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
比如說沒有尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
1146 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
1148 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
比如說待遇的問題這很多都是中央政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
1148 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
1150 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
所以我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
1150 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
1152 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
既然這個民進黨沈柏楊 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
1152 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
1154 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
市長候選人 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
1154 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
1156 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
沈委員我還沒講完 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
1156 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
1158 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
有提出這樣的一個構想 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
1158 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
1160 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
部長你要不要辦一個部長我不想幹了的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
1160 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
1162 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
然後邀請 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
1162 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
1164 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
基層的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
1164 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
1166 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
也來自於很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
1166 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
1168 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
地方老師的聲音在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
1168 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
1170 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
對討論這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
1170 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
1172 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
教育的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
1172 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
1174 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
我的問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
1174 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
1176 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
講到沈柏楊你就開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
1176 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
1178 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
這麼激動我還沒講完 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
1178 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
1180 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
我的問題是你要不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
1180 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
1182 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
也辦一個部長我不想幹了的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
1182 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
1184 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
讓一線的 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
1184 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
1186 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
老師來跟你 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
1186 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
1188 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
直接面對面 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
1188 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
1190 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
我想我本來 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
1190 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
1192 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
就已經在跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
1192 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
1194 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
有機會就跟地方這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
1194 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
1196 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
不管教師團體或者地方的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
1196 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
1198 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
可是我就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
1198 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
1200 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
如果說你真的跟第一線 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
1200 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
1202 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
跟第一線老師有很近的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
1202 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
1204 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
你們不會拍出 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
1204 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
1206 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
你不會拍出928那種影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
1206 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
1208 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
你今天來這邊告訴我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
1208 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
1210 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
說你都有可是你怎麼會拍出那個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
1210 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
1212 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
事實證明就是離一線 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
1212 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
1214 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
很遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
1214 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
1216 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
所以你可以參考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
1216 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
1218 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
你可以辦一個部長我不想幹了的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
1218 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
1220 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
如果是牽涉到中央政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
1220 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
1222 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
導致於缺老師的問題的話你也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
1222 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
1224 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
直接聽聽一線的心聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
1224 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
1226 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
我想缺老師的問題地方中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
1226 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
1228 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
合作這個態度是非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
1228 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
1230 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
中央來負責培養各類科的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
1230 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
1232 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
跟大學院校來培養老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
1232 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
1234 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
那地方怎麼去延攬優秀的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
1234 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
1236 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
甚至留下優秀的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
1236 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
1238 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
我想國民教育這個地方一定有 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
1238 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
1240 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
1240 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
1242 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
但是譬如說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
1242 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
1244 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
校事會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
1244 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
1246 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
譬如說沒尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
1246 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
1248 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
這些都是大環境的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
1248 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
1250 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
這就是中央的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
1250 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
1252 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
當時立法院根據 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
1252 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
1254 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
地方的教育的疏漏 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
1254 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
1256 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
而訂定了這樣相關的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
1256 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
1258 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
校事會議怎麼會是地方教育的疏漏呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
1258 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
1260 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
你真的甩鍋給地方喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
1260 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
1262 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
我要跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
1262 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
1264 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
1264 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
1266 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
現在你竟然把缺老師的問題甩鍋給地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
1266 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
1268 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
因為委員提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
1268 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
1270 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
校事會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
1270 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
1272 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
校事會議是地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
1272 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
1274 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
地方訂的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
1274 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
1276 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
所以今天地方政府可以單方面的廢除校事會議嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
1276 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
1278 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
學校發生了一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
1278 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
1280 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
不當的霸凌 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
1280 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
1282 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
而地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
1282 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
1284 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
1284 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
1286 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
這個我們討論很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
1286 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
1288 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
校事會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
1288 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
1290 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
你一開始利益良善 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
1290 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
1292 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
你一開始利益良善 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
1292 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
1294 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
你一開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
1294 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
1296 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
部長你不要一直搭話好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
1296 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
1298 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
你一開始利益良善這我們都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
1298 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
1300 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
但是後來校事會議走到 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
1300 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
1302 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
有罪推定走到寧可錯差一百不可放過一人 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
1302 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
1304 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
其實他已經走偏了 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
1304 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
1306 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
所以才會要求你送新的案子過來 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
1306 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
1308 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
所以這是中央的職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
1308 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
1310 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
你怎麼可以推給地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
1310 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
1312 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
部長你今天的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
1312 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
1314 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
我真的會讓很多人心寒 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
1314 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
1316 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
連請你解決區老師問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
1316 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
1318 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
我現在建議你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
1318 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
1320 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
我認為你跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
1320 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
1322 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
低線離很遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
1322 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
1324 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
我覺得你跟低線離很遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
1324 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
1326 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
結果你居然說 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
1326 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
1328 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
要找地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
1328 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
1330 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
你都沒有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
1330 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
1332 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
1332 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
1334 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
我進來以後就一直在聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
1334 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
1336 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
那你幹嘛一直推給地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
1336 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
1338 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
你為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
1338 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
1340 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
一直推給地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
1340 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
1342 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
1342 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
1344 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
你不要動不動都講別人 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
1344 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
1346 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
你如果也有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
1346 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
1348 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
你就針對你的職權做改善就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
1348 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
1350 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
我們在世上意識上改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
1350 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
1352 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
所以說我覺得教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
1352 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
1354 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
你拍個影片也不是地方政府叫你拍的 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
1354 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
1356 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
是你們教育部拍的 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
1356 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
1358 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
拍的不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
1358 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
1360 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
所以就代表教育部跟一線的老師離很遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
1360 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
1362 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
所以現在請你多跟他們接觸 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
1362 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
1364 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
結果你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
1364 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
1366 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
我要去跟地方多多怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
1366 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
1368 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
我覺得你這樣的甩鍋 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
1368 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
1370 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
我不是甩鍋 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
1370 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
1372 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
我沒有在甩鍋 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
1372 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
1374 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
我沒有在甩鍋 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
1374 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
1376 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
我沒有在甩鍋 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
1376 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
1378 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
我一直在這樣做 |