| IVOD_ID |
171552 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171552 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-6-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第6會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-22T10:20:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-22T10:35:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9f0219c4ec2537e6d9effd2b57a5d1c3e8177f1cdd9008970da12af8eb8a9ca78a94a20e7e7dac435ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:20:57 - 10:35:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第6會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員、經濟部部長、勞動部首長、數位發展部首長及交通部首長就「公平會就跨境事業併購案之結合審查機制，是否納入複雜股權結構、勞動權益與資安風險等考量?」進行報告，並備質詢。
【10月21日及22日二天一次會】） |
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市委委員質詢 |
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27.5 |
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好 謝主席 市委先請公平會代理主委 |
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27.5 |
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請公平會陳主委 |
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30.5 |
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好 委員 早 |
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36.5 |
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40 |
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那個昨天你們就決議嘛 決議禁止這個 |
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跟那個Forepemba結合 |
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47 |
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那當然這個主因 大概今天媒體有大部分報導 |
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你們報導也有寫 |
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因為他有這個表決權的問題 |
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而且董事有兼任的歷史 |
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當然這個會降低積極競爭的誘因 |
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然後增加相互配合的協調風險 |
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這部分 如同業者所提的 |
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限制競爭敏感資訊的交流 |
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這些行為承諾 無法確保實際上能夠有效執行 |
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今天我看到你們說的很清楚 |
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81 |
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公平法第13條 |
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85 |
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是以整體經濟利益 |
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85 |
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88 |
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是否大於限制競爭不利益 |
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88 |
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92 |
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作為這個結合審查判斷的基準 對不對 |
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92 |
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95 |
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這是一個最大的原則 |
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95 |
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也是這個決策依據 |
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102 |
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那你說勞權的 或者工作權的這個保障 |
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106 |
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跟資安等等 這個屬於整體 |
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108 |
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非整體經濟利益 |
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111 |
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就等於說非經濟性的政策目標 |
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不是你們在審查結合的考量範圍 |
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121 |
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應由各主管機關另於專法審核規範 |
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意思是說 這個你們只負責 |
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整體經濟利益是否大於限制競爭不利益 |
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其他的資安就是可能蘇發部 |
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133 |
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這個勞權的部分就可能是勞動部 |
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133 |
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140 |
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你覺得現行這種結合模式是否適合 |
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進一步補充一下 這個基本原則是這樣 |
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就是整體經濟利益跟限制競爭的不利益 |
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146 |
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151 |
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整體經濟利益的出現必須是導致於競爭的結果 |
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所以我們在審查這兩個因素的時候 |
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157 |
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我們會把它連結到到底是不是造成競爭的受損 |
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157 |
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或是競爭的提升 |
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158 |
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所以我剛有跟其他委員報告就是說 |
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161 |
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如果今天的議題純粹就是國安資安勞權 |
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它跟競爭沒有關聯性的話 |
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那這部分我們會請產業主管機關 |
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還有目的是業主管機關來進行判斷 |
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175 |
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但凡是並不排除說我們對這件議題完全都可以不管 |
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175 |
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譬如說假設你對資安的收集對各自的收集已經大到 |
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179 |
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182 |
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你已經享有足夠的權力跟市場力量 |
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182 |
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可以來排除市場競爭的時候 |
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184 |
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我們還是有切入的空間 |
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186 |
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188 |
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只是說在實務上我們沒有看到 |
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大部分的個案都比較沒這個問題 |
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所以一種scenario說你的判斷整體經濟利益 |
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是已經大於限制競爭不利益 |
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但是它會同時出現資安的問題 |
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或者是工作權保障的問題 |
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當這個因素很巨大的時候 |
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嚴重影響資安或者嚴重對工作權有一些傷害的時候 |
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那我們決定會怎麼樣 |
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我們會把這個相關的議題納入到 |
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212 |
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是不是跟競爭的評估有關 |
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如果有關的話當然我們不排除可以審查 |
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如果純粹就是非常純粹產業政策 |
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勞工政策的保護等等各方面問題 |
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這個我們覺得還是比較適合 |
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由目的是要主管機關來進行相關的審查 |
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我們的立場大概是這樣 |
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233 |
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相關審查他們如果不建議這個投議 |
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不建議這個合併案 |
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240 |
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那相關部會的審查意見 |
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240 |
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242 |
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我們其實大概事前都會有一些 |
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242 |
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245 |
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跨部會的協商或是跨部會的座談 |
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245 |
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247 |
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我們來搜集他們的意見 |
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247 |
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251 |
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他們認為說從他們主管業務的範圍來看 |
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251 |
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252 |
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是不適合通過 |
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252 |
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255 |
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我們還是會在委員會裡面會去考慮說 |
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255 |
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258 |
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他們會很明確表示說這個不宜通過 |
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258 |
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260 |
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還是審慎評估 |
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260 |
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264 |
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還是很明確Yes No |
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264 |
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270 |
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或者是把一些資料或者是交由公民會來做判斷 |
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270 |
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274 |
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我想各部會都會從他們專業提供我們一些詳實的資料 |
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274 |
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276 |
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但對於結論的部分 |
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277 |
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他不會給答案 |
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280 |
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結論通常他們會尊重本會的判斷 |
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280 |
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283 |
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他們提供你要不要採用 |
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283 |
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287 |
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你會不會確認這些資料 |
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287 |
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289 |
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對你們決策是一個重要的依據 |
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289 |
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是你們在確認嗎 |
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290 |
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294 |
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我們會在委員會裡面討論這些相關部會提出來的意見 |
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294 |
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295 |
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來決定要不要採用 |
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295 |
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296 |
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另外你們今天報告也說 |
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296 |
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300 |
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研發創新數據跟隱私權的保護 |
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300 |
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305 |
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也是審查平台結案的重要非價格競爭參數 |
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305 |
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307 |
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那現在數位平台經濟裡面 |
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307 |
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309 |
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這些演算法 |
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309 |
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313 |
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外送員薪資補貼等等數據資安 |
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313 |
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318 |
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到底是公民會裡面的無關競爭要排除的事項 |
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318 |
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321 |
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還是它是一個核心的競爭參數 |
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321 |
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322 |
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我想原則還是一樣 |
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325 |
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演算法或是其他這些非競爭的事項 |
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325 |
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327 |
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如果它會創造出反競爭的效果 |
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330 |
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我們還是有空間可以進一步的了解 |
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330 |
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333 |
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所以我想整個重點還是在於這些因素本身 |
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333 |
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336 |
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跟市場競爭的連結程度到底有多高 |
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336 |
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所以你那麼多的參數 |
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342 |
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有核心跟無關競爭要排除事項 |
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342 |
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347 |
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這個有時候太多的決策因子 |
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347 |
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349 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
太多決策參數 |
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349 |
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350 |
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是沒錯 |
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350 |
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352 |
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很難去監督你到底決策是不是合理的 |
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354 |
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所以原則上我們還是以傳統競爭 |
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354 |
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356 |
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譬如說價格、品質、產出 |
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這些傳統的因素來判斷 |
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360 |
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那當然我們說隨著數位時代的來臨 |
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360 |
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362 |
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有很多新的因素會進來 |
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362 |
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363 |
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當然我們也不能夠置身於外 |
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363 |
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365 |
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這些東西我們隨時都要注意 |
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365 |
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367 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
只是說這些東西我們注意的方法 |
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367 |
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368 |
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提醒你們說 |
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368 |
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371 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
有那麼多參數在做你們決策的依據 |
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371 |
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375 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
你們決策的這個合理性 |
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375 |
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377 |
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我們要怎麼去監督 |
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377 |
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379 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
最後你叫委員會去做判斷 |
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379 |
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380 |
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我們委員會會有一些 |
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包括農書發布、包括勞動部 |
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384 |
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這個案子是提供資料給你們 |
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384 |
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387 |
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提供給委員會去做參考 |
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387 |
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389 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
最後定奪還是在 |
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389 |
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392 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
我也相信兩個部會也不會說這個 |
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392 |
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394 |
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明確表態說這個不適合 |
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394 |
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396 |
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是可以 |
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396 |
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397 |
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對不對 |
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397 |
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400 |
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是把相關他們手上掌握的資料給你們看 |
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400 |
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402 |
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我想委員會委員大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
402 |
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403 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
我們大概知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
403 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
405 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
我也有點懷疑就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
405 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
408 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
縱使蘇拉布跟勞動部提供你們這些資料 |
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408 |
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413 |
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委員是不是有專業能力來判斷這些資料的重要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
對一個決策的重要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
我想大概就是集思廣益 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
大家充分討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
420 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
如果說真的還有哪個地方不明確的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
420 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
422 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
我建議你們在未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
422 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
要有這個個案的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
針對這個個案的這個跨部會的委員 |
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427 |
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431 |
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比如說這個案跟這個蘇拉布跟勞動部相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
你們在未來審查會議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
433 |
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435 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
要請他們列席 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
因為列席的人員是有一些法定的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
439 |
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441 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
但是我們會在審議之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
我們會充分的去聆聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
各個部會對他們專業的一些意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
448 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
那我們也會在委員會審查過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
448 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
450 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
讓委員充分知道這些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
450 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
然後再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
第二個議題就是負擔這個負擔放行 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
目前這個相關的這個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
好像是說你查得到 |
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462 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
但是負負擔目前查不到 |
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465 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
你也沒辦法守住 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
然後罰不成 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
471 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
是三重的這個制度的困境 |
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471 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
會讓你這個所謂的負負擔放行 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
476 |
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480 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
這個做一個管制手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
它是徒勞無功的 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
從法治面跟實質意義上 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
所發生的這些保疫效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
好像這個你沒有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
我跟你們報告這個到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
這個負承諾負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
我們事後有沒有能力監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
其實這跟個案有高度的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
有些案子我們負負擔監督是沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
那這個案子我想審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
多數的審查委員是認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
在這個案子裡面業者提出來的負負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
他們不認為說這個是可以被監督了 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
或說他們做得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
這個是有高度的個案性 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
我們也沒辦法說 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
一竿子打翻所有的承諾負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
都說你們負的負擔都不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
這個還是要看個案的事實來做判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
比如說你如果按照公民法39條之第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
你會授權你們去處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
未履行負擔的事業對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
是 好 但是你成立那麼久 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
你採訪過哪些大案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
違反付負擔我有罰緩 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
有 還有只有兩件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
最近有一個大案 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
也不是你們主動發現的 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
541 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
也是民眾檢舉啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
541 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
當然我們會盡量去監督他 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
因為他定期承包他們旅行的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
當然我們也不能說百分之百 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
我們一定都可以全部掌控 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
但是如果有反應說有違反承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
我們還是進行調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
555 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
這個市場一直是變動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
555 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
你如果這個抵觸的管制的本質 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
559 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
這個東太市場你守得住嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
559 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
當然這是有挑戰性 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
但是我們會盡量提高自己的數位執法能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
我們盡可能來做事後的監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
有挑戰性 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
有挑戰性 這的確是有挑戰性 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
就是說守不住的機會比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
也不能這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
那你制度上要設計得更能夠守得住 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
所以要提升本會的數位執法能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
就是說他對於這個數位科技監測工具的使用情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
能力配置等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
這個我們會朝這個方向來改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
另外啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
587 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
這個行政訴訟 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
587 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
這個門檻相對高啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
那到時候變成你法不成嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
那你會不會去做這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
到時候變成你法不成嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
像這個今年九月 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
有個案子有兩千萬的罰款 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
那主要原因就是說法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
替副單位縣說做一個解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
還認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
你公民會 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
613 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
所提出的證據不足啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
613 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
那現在怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
這案子我們已經在提起上訴了 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
因為我們對法院的見解我們不同的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
所以我們已經提起上訴了 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
那你覺得到不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
我們盡量爭取啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
我們會提出充實的理由堅強的理由來說服法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
主委另外請這個疏發部跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
疏發部跟經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
來經濟部疏發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
來經濟部疏發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
這個在台灣的跨境 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
疏位平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
時間到啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
有五大民生服務的領域 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
但這個領域都會有一些監管的挑戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
因為這些特徵 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
很清楚就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
它是高集中度 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
然後是一個強大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
661 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
網路效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
661 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
663 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
因為它掌握大量民生跟金融數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
663 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
665 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
運用非典型的勞動力 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
665 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
667 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
運用非典型的勞動力 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
667 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
這些都是它這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
671 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
在台跨境平台的疏位平台的特徵 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
671 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
673 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
比如說有 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
673 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
車輛 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
車輛媒體平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
679 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
跨境電商 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
679 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
計時物流平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
電房旅遊體驗的平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
通訊社群金融生態圈等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
疏位影音串流 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
691 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
產生的一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
691 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
693 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
主要是針對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
693 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
695 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
所謂有些是依賴 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
695 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
697 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
中方的雲端 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
697 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
699 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
中方的雲端 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
699 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
股權的繞 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
會變成現行機制的 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
707 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
資安的隱憂 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
707 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
709 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
709 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
711 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
可能經濟部跟塑化部可能要 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
711 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
針對這個問題去了解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
因為這些五大民生 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
服務領域 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
都掌握大量我國民生消費 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
跟地理投資的 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
資安關稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
725 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
跨國數據平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
725 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
所以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
未來針對外資審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
你裡面應該要包含像 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
資料主權跟雲端架構的 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
這個經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
或者是塑化部你們覺得呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
那個市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
跟委員報 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
其實在我們現在審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
的過程比如像Grab這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
我們確實有針對他 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
資料儲存的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
753 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
一些議題有請投資人 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
753 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
釐清過 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
原本應該也會針對這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
再進入到所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
761 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
市長是經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
761 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
763 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
那所謂的雲端架構審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
763 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
這個是塑化部嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
767 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
原則上我只要是外資 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
767 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
769 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
審查我們都會針對風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
769 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
771 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
因素請 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
771 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
773 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
可是你身為民有這方面的專業嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
773 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
775 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
我們就是請相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
775 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
主管機關去協助審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
你們會請塑化部再表達意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
另外如果未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
將這個關鍵數據伺服器 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
落地台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
787 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
或者禁止使用具國安疑慮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
787 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
雲端服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
把這兩項標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
作為一個準薄的附加條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
795 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
這個可不可信 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
795 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
這可不可信 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
其實這個已經有納入現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
的審查不過前提當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
要是一個投資協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
我們在審查過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
807 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
會去考慮這些議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
807 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
那是投審師的審查嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
有針對伺服器 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
落地台灣禁用國安疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
的雲端服務這兩項標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
在你們審查標準裡面有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
應該講說這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
算到所謂的我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
個資保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
825 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
我覺得更明確一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
825 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
827 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
把這個更明確化 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
827 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
829 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
關鍵數據伺服器要落地台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
829 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
831 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
另外就是說禁用具國安疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
831 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
833 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
雲端服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
833 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
835 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
這個標準是 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
835 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
837 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
你們審查的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
837 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
839 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
一個依據或是附加條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
839 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
841 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
這個能不能去評估一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
841 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
843 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
可以可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
843 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
845 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
845 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
847 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
謝謝委員謝謝市長還有市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
847 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
849 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
接下來請鄭政前委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
849 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
851 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
諮詢 |