| IVOD_ID |
171547 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171547 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-6-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第6會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-22T10:08:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-22T10:20:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9f0219c4ec2537e62f125df63064b30ee8177f1cdd9008970da12af8eb8a9ca72aad447d12a835725ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:08:33 - 10:20:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第6會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員、經濟部部長、勞動部首長、數位發展部首長及交通部首長就「公平會就跨境事業併購案之結合審查機制，是否納入複雜股權結構、勞動權益與資安風險等考量?」進行報告，並備質詢。
【10月21日及22日二天一次會】） |
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15 |
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好 謝謝主席 我想要請公評會的陳主委 |
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21 |
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還有投審司蘇司長以及訴發部的楊次長 |
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21 |
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25 |
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好 陳主委 楊次長跟那個司長 |
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25 |
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33 |
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主委 你們昨天禁止Grab並覆盤打 |
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33 |
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37 |
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是用限制競爭與社會經濟不利益為由 |
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37 |
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44 |
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但是你們堅守了知安跟國安不在結合審查的範圍裡面 |
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44 |
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52 |
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那我想請問以後面對到像這樣子類似的跨國的平台的併購案件的時候 |
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52 |
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61 |
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請公評會訴發部跟國安局等機關怎麼樣做跨部會的聯審以及諮詢的機制呢 |
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61 |
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64 |
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我先跟委員報告一下就是說在具體的個案當中 |
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64 |
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70 |
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特別是重大結合案只要有涉及到相關機關或民眾的反應到這個問題 |
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70 |
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73 |
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其實我們都會會商其他的部會 |
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73 |
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75 |
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請他們提供專業上的意見給我們參考 |
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75 |
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77 |
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所以你們沒有一起審查 是會商 |
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77 |
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78 |
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對 對 |
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78 |
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79 |
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以會商的方式 |
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79 |
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81 |
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當然我們有時候會召開座談會 |
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81 |
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86 |
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也會邀請各機關的代表來跟我們進行實質的討論提供專業的 |
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86 |
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92 |
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你剛才也提到了就是說未來如果像FuPanda |
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92 |
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96 |
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就是說Uber去併了FuPanda外國的母公司 |
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96 |
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99 |
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像Delivery Hero等 |
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99 |
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102 |
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那也要經過公評會的審查是不是 |
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102 |
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106 |
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因為我們在台灣之前兩年前我們是禁止Uber跟FuPanda的結合 |
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106 |
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112 |
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所以如果我們公司在國外收購Delivery Hero的股權 |
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112 |
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115 |
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有沒有涉及到違反我們禁止的規定 |
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115 |
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117 |
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這是另外一個可以來進一步了解的案子 |
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117 |
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119 |
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那你們會主動調查還是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
119 |
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121 |
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我們要看實際他們在國外收購的情形怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
121 |
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123 |
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不是你們有辦法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
123 |
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126 |
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因為他就是違反我們當初禁止的處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
126 |
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128 |
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所以這個是我們可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
128 |
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131 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
我們是可以說他可能會違反我們當初禁止的處分來進行調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
131 |
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132 |
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後續的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
132 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
135 |
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好 所以可是因為這些是跨境公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
135 |
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138 |
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那因為他的設立不在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
138 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
143 |
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那你有辦法認定說這樣子他的接落的自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
143 |
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147 |
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以及你們有充分的調查權的 |
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147 |
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151 |
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這樣子的一個能夠跟國際競爭談局 |
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151 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
155 |
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像FTC或者EC或者CCCS等等 |
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155 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
157 |
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你們有建立溝通管道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
157 |
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159 |
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我們是有一些溝通的管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
159 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
160 |
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你們有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
160 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
162 |
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我們是可以跟這些機關之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
162 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
163 |
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所以你們跟美國跟歐盟 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
163 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
165 |
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但是我要跟委員報告就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
165 |
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167 |
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我們會跟他表達說 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
167 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
169 |
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我們希望他能夠提供什麼樣的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
169 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
171 |
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所以你們有辦法穿透這樣子的案子的架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
171 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
173 |
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但是他們對方的機關 |
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173 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
176 |
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對方的機關願不願意提供支持對方機關的權限 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
176 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
178 |
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但是我們是可以有一些管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
178 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
179 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
可以來跟對方表達是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
179 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
183 |
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所以你們有管道但是不一定可以拿到資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
183 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
184 |
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是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
184 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
185 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
是 這必須要跟委員講 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
185 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
187 |
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好 那投審師 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
187 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
189 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
我也想請教一下投審師 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
189 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
192 |
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就是剛才大家也提到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
192 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
195 |
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就是外國人投資條例第七條裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
195 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
199 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
對於像剛才公評會所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
199 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
204 |
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他們不會就這些資安跟國安的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
204 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
207 |
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那投審師你有沒有辦法呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
207 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
209 |
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就是未來如果對國家安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
209 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
211 |
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跟公共秩序不利的時候 |
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211 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
215 |
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你有沒有辦法對投資案件的法理標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
215 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
217 |
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跟這些裁量的界限 |
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217 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
221 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
你能夠獨立的去對這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
221 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
223 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
有這個國安的否決權 |
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這些就是說相關的那個公司的併購 |
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有國安的否決權 |
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你有嗎 |
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跟委員拍拍 |
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因為只要它是一個外資的投資案 |
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原則上就是要經過經濟部的同意 |
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那我們在審查外資的部分 |
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有一個投資審議會的一個跨部會的平台 |
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那包括像國安局陸委會 |
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蘇惠部勞動部等等的都有在裡面 |
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那像剛剛提到 |
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如果這個案子涉及到結合的話 |
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也是會請公評會這邊表示意見 |
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那所以原則上我們在審查的時候 |
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會針對投資人提出來的投資計畫 |
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先送審各部會去表示意見 |
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那如果有提到有一些資安國安疑慮的話 |
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會再請投資人補充說明 |
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那最後我們會根據整個釐清的結果 |
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再做一個跨部會的審查 |
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所以那是不是你對它有國安的最終否決權 |
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如果有國安疑慮的話 |
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又沒有辦法釐清 |
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我們可以依國安理由不與核准 |
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所以可以是不是 |
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是 |
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還有像這樣子 |
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就是說像這樣子跨境的這個 |
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就是併購案 |
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它可能掌握了有消費者的行為 |
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有這個運送員的軌跡 |
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以及店家的商業的情報等等 |
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這樣子大量的那個Bitdata的時候 |
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那你怎麼樣子就是說來要求它 |
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不准就是說沒有不准就是跨境儲存 |
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或者是在地儲存 |
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你有沒有辦法 |
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這個部分可能還是要回歸到 |
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比如說像個資法 |
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那個可不可以境外儲存的問題 |
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那當然我們在外資審查的部分 |
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也可以另外提出要求說 |
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比如說我要求你的資料必須存放在境內 |
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我才同意你用這種附條件的方式許可 |
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還是這個部分事情 |
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我們問一下那個抒發部的楊市長好不好 |
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還是這個部分是由抒發部來要求的 |
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是這樣就是說我們就是在合併 |
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就是在審它是不是要這個Bin O-AN通過的時候 |
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我們的意見就是希望他們可以來規範這樣子 |
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對就是資料的管理 |
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跟飲食權的保護還有在地儲存 |
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這個是你們會規範嗎 |
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我們是提供他們的建議 |
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因為在法規上目前是以各自法 |
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可是它是通案上是沒有明文禁止 |
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沒有明文禁止 |
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只是那附帶條件呢 |
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是你們同審書市長 |
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你們可以用附帶條件嗎 |
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是如果說用附帶條件的方式 |
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可以消除這個資安的疑慮的話 |
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那我們就可能會用附帶條件方式再許可 |
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再請問一下楊市長 |
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那附帶條件就是說 |
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如果禁止它就是說 |
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一定要在地儲存 |
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然後以及資安保護的原則 |
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那好即便它現在儲存在台灣了 |
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它有沒有辦法用API連線 |
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或者是就是說跨境運維的方式 |
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能取得這些資訊 |
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就是在規定上 |
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411 |
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我們會明文 |
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就是如果有附帶條件 |
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可以明文禁止他們來 |
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大陸來access這樣的一個資料庫嗎 |
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也不一定是大陸啦 |
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因為你知道嗎 |
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那跨境有時候也不一定在大陸嘛 |
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是不是 |
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那就是說你在這樣子 |
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就是說它的API連線 |
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432 |
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以及跨境的這樣子運維的情況下 |
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434 |
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你怎麼樣子做到治安的監管 |
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437 |
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因為我們可以去測試他們違反 |
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440 |
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當初他在附帶條件規範的 |
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441 |
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如果他違反了 |
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443 |
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他其實就違反我們的規定 |
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所以你們會去監控 |
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447 |
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可以測試 |
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447 |
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448 |
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可以測試嗎 |
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448 |
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451 |
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你們可以測試他會不會違反嗎 |
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451 |
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452 |
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是不是 |
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454 |
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那所以你是說只要 |
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456 |
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它儲存在台灣 |
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456 |
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458 |
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就有辦法就是說去監控 |
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458 |
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459 |
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可以監控 |
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459 |
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460 |
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測試 |
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460 |
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462 |
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就是可以測試跟監管 |
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463 |
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是不是 |
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463 |
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464 |
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可以 |
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464 |
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465 |
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數字八部有辦法嗎 |
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465 |
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467 |
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可是要在業務主管機關 |
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467 |
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469 |
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有個明文的規定完之後 |
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469 |
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470 |
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就會來 |
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470 |
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471 |
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我們就幫他來做這個檢測 |
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471 |
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473 |
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它是不是違反當初 |
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473 |
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475 |
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我們併購完進來的規範 |
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475 |
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479 |
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那如果這些跨境的公司 |
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481 |
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以國際貿易的協定 |
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481 |
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484 |
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像CPTPP或者是跨境數據 |
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484 |
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487 |
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自由流動的原則提出 |
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487 |
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490 |
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跟就是說國際仲裁單位 |
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490 |
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491 |
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提出抗辯的時候 |
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492 |
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那你怎麼樣子 |
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492 |
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495 |
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維護我們治安防禦的 |
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495 |
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496 |
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這樣正當性 |
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496 |
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498 |
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就是它是不是 |
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498 |
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500 |
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從國際的法規的時候 |
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500 |
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502 |
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違反國際法規的這個 |
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502 |
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504 |
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由募利稅局管制認定完之後 |
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504 |
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506 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
我們就會從技術上來佐證 |
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506 |
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508 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
它是不是有違反這些法規 |
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508 |
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510 |
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可是如果它透過了 |
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510 |
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513 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
像CPTPP這樣子的貿易機構 |
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513 |
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516 |
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那經濟部投審師呢 |
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516 |
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519 |
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剛委員報告其實如果我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
519 |
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521 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
需要加這個附管機制 |
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521 |
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522 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
是基於國家安全的考量 |
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522 |
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525 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
所以我想根據國家安全這件 |
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525 |
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527 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
這個議題原則上應該不會受到 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
527 |
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530 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
相關規範的一個限制 |
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530 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
我說不會受到國際單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
對 因為每個國家都 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
有每個國家安全的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
那其他國家的跨境的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
537 |
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539 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
他們要求是在地儲存嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
539 |
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542 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
因為我想這個部分會落在我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
542 |
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545 |
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外資審查的一個付款的部分 |
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545 |
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546 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
倒也不是說因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
有些我們要求的東西可能會 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
548 |
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551 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
比法規就比如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
像個資的規定更高 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
553 |
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555 |
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因為我們有我們自己的安全考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
555 |
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558 |
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對 因為我就是了解就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
558 |
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560 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
好 當我們提出這樣子的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
希望說他們在地儲存 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
以及基於資安跟資料保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
有嚴格的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
會不會影響到就是說會不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
就是違背了國際的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
國際的貿易法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
這個應該不至於啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
因為我們還是以國家安全的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
角度去下這個付款 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
好 那所以是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
是因為我們現在跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
像剛才公評會主委所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
就是因為我們跟這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
跨國的這樣子的一些機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
目前即便有溝通管道是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
也並不是完全暢通 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
601 |
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605 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
是不是 是因為這樣的原因嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
跟委員報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
就是論我剛剛講 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
我們是有一些管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
可以來跟國外的司法機關來進行交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
事實上在Grab這個案子裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
我們事實上有跟東南亞幾個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
617 |
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618 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
來參考他們的司法情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
甚至有交換意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
但是我剛剛談的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
621 |
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622 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
那個管道存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
但是對方願意提供什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
到什麼程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
這個是取決於他們的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
對 我是說當 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
我是說投水師這樣說的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
我是說是不是也取決於 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
就是說外國機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
外國的貿易單位會不會覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
我們有違反到 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
國際貿易的相關的法規呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
648 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
這個應該這樣講就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
648 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
其實在整個審查的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
652 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
我們會認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
652 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
比如說他資料必須儲存在境內 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
656 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
才符合的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
656 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
658 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
那我們會跟投資人提出要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
658 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
其實最後都是投資人同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
661 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
我們來這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
661 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
663 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
那如果他不同意的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
663 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
665 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
原則上我們就可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
665 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
駁回這個投資案這個方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
670 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
因為 好 我了解喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
670 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
所以 以投審會跟訴發部的意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
676 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
訴發部認為只要 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
676 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
679 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
就是他的資料中心儲存在國內的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
679 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
我們就有辦法去監管 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
以及去測試他的安全性 是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
686 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
目前有具體的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
686 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
可以監管以及測試他的安全性 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
可以 是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
691 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
那如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
691 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
那所以投審會的意見是 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
695 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
如果沒有辦法就地儲存的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
695 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
696 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
那我們就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
696 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
699 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
或者會認為違反了 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
699 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
其他的相關規定的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
702 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
你就不會給他通過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
702 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
是不是這意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
這個可能還是要看個案啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
706 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
當然有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
706 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
如果他是大量的個資 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
710 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
我們當然會希望在境內會比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
710 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
712 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
可是不見得每個個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
712 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
他的個資的掌握的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
都到這個程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
那有些可能他會提出說 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
比如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
722 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
組資料會存在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
722 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
備份資料存在境外 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
那我們當然還會再了解境外是哪個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
728 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
那類似這樣的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
728 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
那當然他提出的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
如果經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
比如說像數位部 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
他覺得這個是可行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
那原則上我們還是可能會同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
好 謝謝委員 謝謝市長 |