| IVOD_ID |
171543 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171543 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-6-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第6會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-22T09:56:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-22T10:08:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9f0219c4ec2537e6a660d047321fdadae8177f1cdd9008970da12af8eb8a9ca7c358bed1a557d1e65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:56:17 - 10:08:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第6會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員、經濟部部長、勞動部首長、數位發展部首長及交通部首長就「公平會就跨境事業併購案之結合審查機制，是否納入複雜股權結構、勞動權益與資安風險等考量?」進行報告，並備質詢。
【10月21日及22日二天一次會】） |
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0 |
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那接下來我們請這個莊家斌教委質詢 |
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主席再讓委員先進 |
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13.44 |
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16.76 |
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列席的政府經濟環境局長 官員 會長 工作夥伴 媒體記者 女士 先生 |
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20.76 |
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有請公平會陳主委還有經濟部投審司司長 |
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20.76 |
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請陳主委還有經濟部投審司 |
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好 委員早 |
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28.04 |
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29.44 |
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主委好 司長好 |
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好 來 我們來看一下 |
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33 |
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今天排這個專案報告 下一頁 |
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33 |
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35.44 |
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其實就是剛好在昨天你們宣布了 |
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35.44 |
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38.56 |
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Grab並購台灣FuPanda 你們是禁止結合 |
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38.56 |
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40 |
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我看了一下報紙 它是說 |
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40 |
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43.64 |
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公平會禁止Grab跟FuPanda結合 |
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43.64 |
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45.2 |
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點出一個關鍵主因 |
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45.2 |
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47.76 |
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我同篇看完 不曉得關鍵主因是什麼 |
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47.76 |
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50.16 |
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主委你認為你們禁止的關鍵主因是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
50.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
53.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
我想多數的審查委員的意見應該是認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
53.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
55.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
這裡面有涉及到少數的持股 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
55.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
56.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
那個持股的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
56.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
58.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
簡單講 主因是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
58.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
59.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
主因就是因為有 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
59.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
60.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
60.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
61.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
彼此之間互相控股 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
61.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
64.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
有控股就是造成可能限制競爭或不競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
64.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
65.16 |
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是是是 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
65.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
66.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
缺乏積極競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
66.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
67.8 |
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好 那我們來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
67.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
70.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
在之前外送員的團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
70.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
73.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
對於外送市長不競爭可能會造成勞動權益的損害 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
73.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
75.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
商業權益的損害 還有資本風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
75.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
77.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
來 我們看下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
77.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
78.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
那麼公平會的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
78.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
80.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
結合審查你們第13條說 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
80.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
83.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
整體經濟利益大於限制競爭之不利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
83.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
85.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
那我就很好奇 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
85.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
86.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
86.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
88.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
而且你們也對於附加條件互擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
88.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
89.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
你們也把他否准了 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
89.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
90.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
沒有這個選項 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
90.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
93.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
那你們怎麼樣衡量整體經濟利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
93.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
95.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
是剛問的經濟部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
95.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
97.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
這個是個創新事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
97.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
99.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
那你們要怎麼樣衡量限制競爭的不利益呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
99.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
100.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
100.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
102.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
當他們說外送員 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
102.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
104.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
工會他們說呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
104.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
105.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
這個如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
105.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
107.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
他們如果不積極競爭的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
107.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
109.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
可能商家的抽成會提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
109.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
111.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
可能消費者付的運費會漲價 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
111.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
114.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
可能外送員的燙數會被苛待 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
114.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
116.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
那你們認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
116.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
118.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
所謂的限制競爭的不利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
118.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
119.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
你們怎麼衡量 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
119.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
120.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
簡單來講就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
120.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
121.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
我們會從 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
121.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
123.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
是不是有利於競爭來評斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
123.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
124.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
整體經濟的利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
124.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
126.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
所以只要有競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
126.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
128.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
你們就覺得不會有不利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
128.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
129.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
基本上這是一個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
129.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
130.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
這是原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
130.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
131.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
不過邏輯上不一定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
131.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
134.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
所以我們看的是市場競爭受影響的程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
134.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
134.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
134.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
136.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
就是說你們在看有沒有競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
136.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
138.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
如果競爭維持 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
138.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
141.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
你們基本上認為不至於有不利益嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
141.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
143.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
競爭如果維持是被強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
143.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
144.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
就不會有不利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
144.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
145.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
原則上 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
145.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
145.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
嚴格來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
145.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
148.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
還是對於不利益跟競爭無關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
148.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
149.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
你們就不管 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
149.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
150.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
應該是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
150.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
151.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
如果那個不利益本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
151.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
153.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
不是屬於競爭主管機關可以審酌的 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
153.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
155.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
原則上我們是不會介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
155.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
157.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
所以我們這裡就談到通案 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
157.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
160.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
這裡面所提到的風險跟不利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
160.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
161.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
不利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
161.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
162.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
大概你們可以做判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
162.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
164.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
但是風險是另外一個概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
164.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
167.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
我想不利益是你們判斷會發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
167.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
168.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
風險是不確定會不會發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
168.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
170 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
好我們看一看 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
170 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
170.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
170.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
171.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
那我們第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
171.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
173.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
你們說在判斷他的限制競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
173.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
176.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
你們認為複雜股權會引起限制競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
176.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
178.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
而且會造成後面的不利 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
178.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
179.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
那你們這裡提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
179.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
181.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
剛剛都講到持股表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
181.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
182.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
複雜的股權結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
182.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
187.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
這個現在的跨國企業常常有一個控股公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
187.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
190.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
但是這裡出現一個東西叫做共同財務誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
190.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
191.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
現行的審查規則 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
191.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
194.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
如何評斷企業之間有複雜股權控股結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
194.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
195.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
你們怎麼判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
195.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
198.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
還有所謂的共同財務誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
198.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
200 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
如何判斷業者能不能保持競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
200 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
202.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
有沒有一個比較明確可以告訴大家一個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
202.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
204.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
關於第一點那個複雜股權控股結構的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
204.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
205.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
你們有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
205.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
207.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
剛剛我們已經有已經加過在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
207.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
208.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
那共同財務誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
208.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
210.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
這個是這個案子裡面一個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
210.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
210.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
210.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
213.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
那我們如果參考國際間的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
213.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
215.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
或是理論實務上的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
215.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
216.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
因為涉及到誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
216.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
218.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
所以誘因本身就是主觀上的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
218.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
218.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
比較難去判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
218.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
220.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
所以我們必須要有客觀的視覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
220.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
222.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
是我就很好奇你們怎麼判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
222.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
223.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
那客觀的視覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
223.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
224.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
譬如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
224.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
227.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
股東股權分散的程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
227.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
229.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
通常股權越集中 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
229.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
230.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
還是在股權 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
230.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
231.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
股權的集中程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
231.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
232.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
就是不停股東會股權 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
232.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
233.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
還有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
233.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
236.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
另外我們還會去看這個所謂的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
236.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
237.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
股東會的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
237.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
238.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
過去招待股東會的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
238.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
241.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
所以但是你們還是聚焦在股權 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
241.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
243.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
那我們講共同財務 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
243.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
245.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
當然還是會投射上主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
245.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
246.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
那個股權 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
246.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
248.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
但我們來看一下第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
248.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
249.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
資訊的共享 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
249.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
251.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
會不會導致一些一致行為或聯合行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
251.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
252.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
譬如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
252.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
255.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
他共享客戶跟地圖的這演算法的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
255.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
256.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
譬如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
256.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
257.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
他有一次行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
257.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
258.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
在這個一次行為的過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
258.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
260.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
才說跟中油發生過 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
260.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
261.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
他們一起漲價 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
261.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
263.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
一起調價 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
263.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
264.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
那後來呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
264.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
267.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
這個中油被迫要公布他的定價的公示 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
267.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
268.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
那等於說 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
268.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
269.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
我是按照我的定價公示走的 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
269.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
272.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
所以不是跟他協調的 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
272.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
273.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
另外現在實在進步了 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
273.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
275.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
Apple的互相串接引導客流 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
275.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
277.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
或者在主業以外的不同市場合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
277.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
278.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
甚至呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
278.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
280.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
這個Graymon他過去被查出說 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
281.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
282.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
互不競爭的協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
282.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
286.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
這些好像不能用一個共同財務利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
286.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
287.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
會 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
287.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
288.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
的一個誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
288.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
290 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
來減損他的競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
290 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
293.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
那你們怎麼看共同財務誘因以外的其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
293.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
295.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
減損競爭的這些因素呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
295.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
298.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
委員談的這個東西是比較屬於 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
298.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
301.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
業者結合以後互相協調一致的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
301.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
303 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
就是說我們在處分書裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
303 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
305.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
在禁止結合書裡面有談到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
305.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
307.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
審查委員的意見認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
307.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
308.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
因為市場結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
308.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
309.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
會有高度的誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
309.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
311.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
讓他們會去進行審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
311.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
312.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
所以說這是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
312.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
315.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
衡量股權或共同財務的誘因之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
315.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
316.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
產生了後果 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
316.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
317.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
或者這些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
317.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
318.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
其實比較強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
318.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
319.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
資訊共享啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
319.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
320.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
或者是一些協調行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
320.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
322.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
我們要強調市場結構面 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
322.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
323.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
集中度高 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
323.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
323.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
323.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
324.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
因為呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
324.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
325.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
我們在會計上 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
325.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
328.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
百分之二十的股權是認為會有具有重大影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
328.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
330.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
但是在我們公平會審查的時候呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
330.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
334.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
是不是也把重大影響力視為一個考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
334.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
334.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
334.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
335.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
有重大影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
335.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
337.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
彼此有重大影響力互通的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
337.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
339.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
就會可能減損他的積極競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
339.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
341.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
當我們要考慮少數股權的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
341.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
342.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
這當然就是你要去考慮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
342.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
345.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
那重大影響要怎麼衡量 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
345.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
345.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
345.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
346.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
不會建立 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
346.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
348.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
沒法建立一個客觀的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
348.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
349.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
我們必須要在個案當中去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
349.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
351.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
包括過去的歷史紀錄等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
351.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
352 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
各方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
352 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
352.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
352.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
353.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
353.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
354.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
再來我們就問到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
354.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
354.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
這個大一關心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
354.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
357.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
跨國公司的潛在用戶資安風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
357.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
357.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
357.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
359.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
在蘋果用戶曾經在 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
359.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
360.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
中國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
360.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
361.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
iCloud的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
361.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
362.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
362.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
363.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
這個中國政府要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
363.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
364.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
蘋果要拿出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
364.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
365.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
後來或者說臉書呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
365.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
367.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
他過去跟華為和聯想 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
367.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
369 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
分享用戶的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
369 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
370.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
大家擔心他洩漏個資給中企 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
370.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
372.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
這是過去發生的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
372.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
373.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
在這次的個案上 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
373.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
374 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
大家看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
374 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
374.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
374.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
375.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
在外送平台上的消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
375.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
376.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
個資 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
376.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
377.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
地圖的圖資 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
377.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
379.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
還有商家的營業資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
379.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
380.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
都有可能透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
380.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
381.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
技術合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
381.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
382.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
因為呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
382.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
384.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
國有他在中國有投資啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
384.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
385.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
有營運啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
385.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
387.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
那這樣的一個資安風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
387.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
388.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
會不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
388.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
391.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
是公平會要考量的 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
391.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
393.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
我想我的答案就是跟我之前講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
393.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
394.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
如果這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
394.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
397.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
資訊的資料的取得會 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
397.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
398.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
造成一個事業取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
398.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
400.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
足夠來影響市場競爭的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
400.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
402.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
我們才會介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
402.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
404.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
如果純粹只是資安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
404.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
405.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
那比較適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
405.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
405.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
405.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
406.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
所以你們還是考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
406.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
407.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
資安會影響到 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
407.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
409.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
相當於主權的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
409.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
410.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
股權的重大影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
410.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
411.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
接下來我要問投審司 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
411.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
412.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
412.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
公平會很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
414.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
你們鎖定在 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
414.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
416.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
競爭的減損影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
416.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
416.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
416.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
417.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
417.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
417.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
那個投審 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
417.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
418.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
投審司 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
418.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
419.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
來下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
419.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
421.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
好那我們再問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
421.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
422.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
這個目前 |
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422.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
423.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
跨境併購盛行 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
423.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
424.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
股權交錯運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
424.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
425.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
還有資訊共享 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
425.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
426.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
就有些資安疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
426.2 |
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426.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
426.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
427.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
但是大家在關心說 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
427.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
430.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
那個外國人投資條例第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
430.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
431.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
對國家安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
431.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
432.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
公共秩序 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
432.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
433.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
善良豐富 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
433.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
433.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
國民健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
433.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
435.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
435.64 |
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437.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
這個居然是你們經濟部投審司 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
437.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
438.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
你們要來看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
438.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
440.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
你們怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
440.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
441.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
441.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
442.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
公平會已經把他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
442.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
443.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
全責講得很清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
443.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
445.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
他們關注在競爭的減損有無 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
445.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
447.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
那你們投審司 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
447.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
448.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
過去的投審會 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
448.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
449.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
你們對於這些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
449.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
451.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
你們有沒有具體的規範 |
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451.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
452.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
國家安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
452.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
453.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
怎麼具體規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
453.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
454.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
剛委員棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
454.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
455.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
就是陳如那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
455.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
456.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
剛剛提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
456.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
457.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
我們報告有提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
457.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
458.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
外國人投資條例第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
458.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
460.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
其實涉及到國家安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
460.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
461.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
有對國家安全有不利影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
461.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
463.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
我們是可以禁止投資的 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
463.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
464.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
所以其實在我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
464.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
465.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
外資的審查的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
465.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
466.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
466.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
468.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
國家安全一向是一個主要的考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
468.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
469.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
469.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
470.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
國家安全是你們的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
470.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
473.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
但是他們的投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
473.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
475.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
我們講的投資好像都只是在資金 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
475.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
476.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
476.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
478.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
那你就是寫從事投資行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
478.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
不管是直接或間接 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
480.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
出資 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
480.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
482.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
但後面出現了一個什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
482.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
484.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
控制能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
484.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
486.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
控制能力難道一定要 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
486.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
487.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
剛剛我就問公民會 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
487.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
489.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
股權是他們關注的焦點 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
489.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
共同財務院院長關注的焦點 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
493.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
那你們在審的時候只審資金嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
493.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
496.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
只審這個透過資本產生的控制能力呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
496.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
497.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
還是其他的控制能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
497.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
499.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
你們也考慮得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
499.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
500.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
純資金審議為主 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
500.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
502.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
還是考慮到資金 |
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502.76 |
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506 |
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包含資金在那以外的其他控制能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
506.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
剛剛委員棒報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
506.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
508.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
原則上我們的外資投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
508.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
509.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
第一個要符合外國人投資條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
509.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
511.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
所謂的投資的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
511.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
514.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
對那投資的定義是指考慮資金嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
514.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
516.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
516.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
517.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
舉例來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
517.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
519.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
市場壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
519.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
521.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
供應商的原料或技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
521.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
522.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
你設廠設分公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
522.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
524.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
或者說人事的共通 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
524.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
526.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
這些都是有控制能力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
526.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
529.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
這些不見得表達在資金上 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
529.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
531.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
就像影響力或共同財務優因 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
531.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
533.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
在公民評論所關注的 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
533.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
534.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
不是只表達在什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
534.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
535.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
股權的計算上 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
535.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
538.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
在這裡也不是表達在資金的有無上 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
538.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
540.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
所以要請教你一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
540.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
541.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
當你們講的所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
541.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
543.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
具有控制能力的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
543.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
545.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
這個控制能力一定投射在 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
545.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
546.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
反射在 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
546.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
548.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
這個資金嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
549.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
551.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
在外國人投資條例的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
551.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
553.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
確實就是我們所謂投資的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
553.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
556.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
如果投資不是投資是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
556.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
558.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
我幫你代理 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
558.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
559.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
我代理你的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
559.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
560.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
台灣的代理我代理你的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
560.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
563.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
疫苗你交給我評台灣代理 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
563.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
565.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
可是這個疫苗的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
565.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
566.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
市場可能在中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
566.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
568.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
過去就發生了 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
568.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
568.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
568.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
570.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
中國的市場疫苗市場很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
570.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
572.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
那我要去爭取台灣的代理 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
572.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
574.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
那這個他要進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
574.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
576.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
進來台灣弄一個公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
576.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
578.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
要來代理某個 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
578.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
581.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
一個國際品牌的疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
581.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
582.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
那這個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
582.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
584.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
中國那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
584.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
586.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
這個公司在中國的市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
586.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
588.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
它的影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
588.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
592.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
會不會影響到他對台灣這個公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
592.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
594.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
如果是涉及到入資的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
594.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
595.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
我們確實是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
595.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
595.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
沒有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
595.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
597.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
他的台灣公司沒有入資啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
597.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
599.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
他是代理中國的品牌啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
599.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
602.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
或者代理在中國有龐大市場的品牌啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
602.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
603.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
這個部分會涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
603.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
605.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
就是市場壓力啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
605.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
606.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
市場壓力會不會造成一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
606.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
607.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
間接的控制能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
607.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
610.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
這個就要看看那個代理合約裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
610.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
611.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
細節的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
611.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
613.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
因為有些代理確實是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
613.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
616.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
所以就要進入到具體去衡量 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
616.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
619.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
他的對第三地區公司的控制能力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
619.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
621.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
具體的項目嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
621.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
621.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
621.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
622.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
這是我要談的 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
622.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
623.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
623.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
624.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
所以我這裡就簡單講 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
624.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
627.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
請公平會陳主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
627.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
628.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
請提供這個指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
628.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
631.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
第一你們如何評斷企業之間複雜股權 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
631.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
633.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
控股結構以及判斷有共同財務誘因下 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
633.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
635.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
企業是否保持競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
635.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
636.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
可以提供一些指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
636.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
638.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
第二個除了股權持有比例門檻之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
638.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
640.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
這些共同利益的企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
640.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
641.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
具有共同利益的企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
641.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
643.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
可能出現的其他影響競爭的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
643.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
644.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
要如何衡量 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
644.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
646.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
我知道這個很困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
646.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
647.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
有點抽象 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
647.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
648.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
但是是不是可以提供一些指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
648.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
649.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
未來呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
649.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
650.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
有這些跨國企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
650.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
652 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
當然要進入駐台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
652 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
653.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
他們至少清楚的知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
653.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
655.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
我國官方的審查標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
655.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
656.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
有可能會考慮哪些因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
656.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
657.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
657.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
659.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
我想基本的上位簡單的架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
659.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
660.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
我們可以試著去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
661.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
662.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
但是指引如果要具體的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
662.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
664.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
我覺得那還是要累積執法的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
664.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
665.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
665.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
667.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
所以我們希望說你們累積 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
667.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
669.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
不斷的出更新指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
669.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
671.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
因為指引是一個很好的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
671.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
673.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
告訴這些商業行為者 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
673.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
674.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
他要怎麼樣遵守一個市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
674.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
676.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
我們要求的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
676.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
678.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
這個指引本來就是一個比較寬鬆的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
678.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
680.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
我們會全部朝具體化 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
680.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
681.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
好 再接一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
681.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
683.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
來那個就是投審司 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
683.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
685.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
來我國投審司或經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
685.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
688.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
就跨境投資併購的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
688.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
691.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
是不是你們要納入資金以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
691.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
694.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
可能造成國安風險的實質控制力 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
694.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
695.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
或影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
695.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
697.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
那請這個你們提出一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
697.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
698.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
698.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
700.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
就是說你們投審司不是只審他 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
700.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
701.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
他來投資我 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
701.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
703.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
入資來投資這個公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
703.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
704.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
你看這不是入資 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
704.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
707.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
資金有沒有到達可以產生控制力影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
707.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
707.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
還要看什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
707.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
709.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
資金以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
709.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
711.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
資本以外的其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
711.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
712.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
他的市場影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
712.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
714.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
他的資訊能影響力等等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
714.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
715.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
715.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
717.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
各位報告其實現在入資的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
717.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
718.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
確實就是已經有針對控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
718.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
719.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
就不是只是看資本 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
719.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
720.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
720.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
722.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
不是看說拿人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
722.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
724.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
中國大陸的錢來投台灣的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
724.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
724.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
724.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
726.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
那就請提供一個說明報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
726.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
727.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
裴文西 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
727.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
727.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
731.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
732.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
好 謝謝鍾廖斌文 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
732.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
733.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
接下來 |