| IVOD_ID |
171540 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171540 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-6-36-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第6會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-22T09:40:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-22T09:58:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9f0219c4ec2537e6c38fdb4f0bf7376eb08b3c7c707988bcc735399645ef1d56ad494a3f2fee8f525ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
翁曉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:40:53 - 09:58:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第6會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請銓敘部部長、法務部部長、農業部部長就「公務機關與公務人員於選舉期間違反公務人員行政中立法查辦情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【10月21日及22日兩天一次會】） |
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0 |
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2 |
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主席 |
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2 |
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4 |
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請 |
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4 |
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6 |
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請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
6 |
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8 |
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請 |
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8 |
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10 |
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請 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
10 |
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12 |
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請 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
12 |
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14 |
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請 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
14 |
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16 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
16 |
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18 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
18 |
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20 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
20 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
22 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
24 |
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26 |
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請 |
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26 |
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28 |
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請 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
28 |
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30 |
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我很感謝首先主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
30 |
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32 |
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他從昨天 |
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32 |
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34 |
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這一週連續兩天 |
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34 |
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36 |
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都安排 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
36 |
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38 |
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跟選舉相關的議題 |
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38 |
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40 |
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因為我們現在發現民進黨政府 |
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40 |
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42 |
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執政十年以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
42 |
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44 |
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民眾感受到 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
44 |
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46 |
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司法、競選還有行政 |
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46 |
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48 |
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競選的問題是越來越 |
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48 |
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50 |
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嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
50 |
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52 |
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昨天我們比較集中在 |
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52 |
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54 |
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司法、競選的問題 |
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54 |
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56 |
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今天是談到 |
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56 |
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60.7 |
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有關於這個政府可能會動用行政資源 |
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60.7 |
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64.76 |
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來干預選舉、妨害選舉的這樣的一個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
64.76 |
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67.66 |
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那麼因為現在距離地方選舉只剩一個多月 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
67.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
71.9 |
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然後大家對於就行政機關的這個舉動 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
71.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
74.1 |
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都非常的關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
74.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
78.26 |
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那也很不希望看到民進黨政府還是像先前一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
78.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
81.66 |
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就是挾著中央行政資源的優勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
81.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
85.9 |
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然後去幫這個參選人造勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
86.4 |
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90.36 |
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那麼這個事實上就是剛剛其實也講了幾個案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
90.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
95.4 |
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那我在這裡首先想請教部長還有兩位次長的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
97 |
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101.16 |
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農水署還有農田水地發展基金會 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
101.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
104.26 |
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以及今天其實沒有邀請到交通部了 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
104.26 |
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106.76 |
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還有一個基隆港務公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
106.76 |
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112.76 |
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那麼這三個機關算不算是行政中立法所規範的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
112.76 |
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115.92 |
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可以請部長先 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
115.92 |
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118.32 |
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我可以先確定一下農水署一定是 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
118.32 |
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119.82 |
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因為他是政府機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
119.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
122.72 |
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那至於他所屬的下面的基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
122.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
125.42 |
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這個性質上可能要農業部來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
125.42 |
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129.22 |
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只要他是政府機關、公務機關都算是適用對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
129.22 |
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130.82 |
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那就先請那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
132.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
134.62 |
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先請黃次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
134.62 |
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137.92 |
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農水署還有剛剛所提到的那個基金會 |
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137.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
139.52 |
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也是屬於公務機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
139.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
143.98 |
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公務機關還有政府指派的這個財團法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
143.98 |
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148.88 |
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簡單來說就是他受不受到行政中立法規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
148.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
151.88 |
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那這部分是不是可以請黃墨信、黃次長再確認 |
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151.88 |
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157.98 |
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是不是農田水地發展基金會同樣是受到行政中立法的規範 |
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157.98 |
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162.38 |
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郭胖委員這個是法規是這個全系部跟主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
162.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
164.98 |
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可是你們是財團法人的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
164.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
167.08 |
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財團法人的主管機關 |
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167.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
169.28 |
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中央目的主管機關不是法務部 |
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169.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
170.88 |
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他的法的中央目的主管機關是 |
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170.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
173.84 |
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但是類似像農田水地發展研究基金會 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
173.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
176.48 |
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他是屬於財團法人吧 |
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176.48 |
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181.18 |
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他是財團法人嘛 |
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181.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
183.74 |
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是所以次長這邊的話 |
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183.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
188.34 |
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他應該是不是屬於就是我們這裡講的行政中立法第17條第9款 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
188.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
189.84 |
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第一項第9款裡面 |
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189.84 |
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191.04 |
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他是適用 |
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191.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
192.84 |
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應該是適用 |
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192.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
195.14 |
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所以我們就先確立這個大前提嘛 |
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195.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
197.78 |
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就是這幾個機關都適用 |
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197.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
199.38 |
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好 金融港務公司呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
201.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
202.44 |
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金融港務公司 |
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202.44 |
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205.14 |
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我理解他應該是國營的 |
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205.14 |
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207.34 |
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是金融他是屬於交通部 |
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207.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
209.44 |
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那交通部所屬的 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
209.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
210.74 |
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所屬的國營公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
210.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
211.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
如果他是屬於 |
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211.88 |
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213.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
假設他是屬於這一類型的一個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
213.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
215.94 |
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他應該就是廣義的公務機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
215.94 |
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218.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
好 那麼如果說他們都是屬於 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
218.34 |
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220.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
這裡行政中立法 |
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220.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
223.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
這個所適用的對象的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
223.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
225.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
那麼這幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
225.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
228.68 |
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機關包含就是金融港務公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
228.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
229.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
然後農田水利 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
229.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
232.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
發展研究基金會的董監事 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
232.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
233.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
都同樣受到 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
233.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
235.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
行政中立法的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
235.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
238.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
好 我必須要先確立這樣的一個前提 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
238.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
240.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
不過就是說我們在這裡呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
240.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
242.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
還有再進一步的 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
242.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
243.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
講的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
243.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
244.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
那既然 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
244.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
247.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
如果他們這幾個機關都適用行政中立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
247.44 |
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248.78 |
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那我們就來看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
248.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
251.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
過去曾經發生過什麼樣的一個案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
251.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
253.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
然後讓大家覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
253.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
255.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
這些機關到底有沒有遵守行政中立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
255.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
257.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
首先我們來講的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
257.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
259.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
基隆的港務分公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
259.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
261.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
那麼先前呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
261.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
264.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
這個基隆港務分公司我在講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
264.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
267.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
因為他是屬於交通部所屬的 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
267.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
268.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
這國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
268.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
272.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
那麼所以在之前曾經發生過一個案例就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
272.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
276.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
基隆市政府想要向基隆港務分公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
276.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
280 |
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借一天的時間來辦理龍舟比賽 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
280 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
283 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
結果的這個活動就被拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
283.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
284.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
284.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
285.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
民進黨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
285.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
288.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
基隆市的市長參選人通資委 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
288.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
291.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
他通常是基隆市議會的這個議長 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
291.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
294.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
他呢卻可以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
294.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
297.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
這個在基隆的港口 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
297.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
299.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
放一個大型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
299.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
302.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
這個叫什麼黃阿瑪的浮球 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
302.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
304.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
在那裡可以放兩個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
304.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
307.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
一直到選前的前一天 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
307.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
308.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
所以想請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
308.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
312.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
部長是這個有沒有違法行政中立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
313.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
315.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
委員我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
315.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
317.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
因為部裡面從來不做個案的認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
317.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
318.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
你也知道法律的一個架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
318.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
321.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
我們是規範說什麼機關適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
321.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
323.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
如果適用的話哪些人適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
323.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
324.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
譬如像說 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
324.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
326 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
港務公司是一個公營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
326 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
327.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
它裡面我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
327.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
329 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
準用的對象就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
329 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
330.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
主要負責決策的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
330.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
333.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
就適用行政中立法規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
333.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
334.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
那至於這個個案到底是 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
334.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
336 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
如果有疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
336 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
337.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
就應該由 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
337.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
338.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
譬如像說跟港務公司提起 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
338.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
340.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
或者是跟交通部提 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
340.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
341.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
由他們來認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
341.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
342.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
我想整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
342.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
343.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
行政中立的一個個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
343.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
345.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
處理程序都是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
345.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
345.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
那麼今天當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
345.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
347.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
因為我提出來這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
347.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
348.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
那之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
348.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
350.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
可能也要請這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
350.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
352.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
我覺得這裡也是可以請黃某信 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
352.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
353.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
黃次長您 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
353.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
356.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
認為說這個基隆港務分公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
356.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
358.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
他這樣子的這個幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
358.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
360.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
現在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
360.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
362.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
基隆市市長的參選人同志委 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
362.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
363.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
然後放一個大型的浮球 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
363.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
364.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
那一直在這個港口 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
364.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
366.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
一直放到他選前前一天 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
366.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
367.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
這有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
367.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
371.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
所謂的有圖利特定的候選人 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
371.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
372.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
372.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
373.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
這個有沒有圖利 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
373.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
374.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
這就涉及到個案了 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
374.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
376.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
委員我今天沒辦法回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
376.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
376.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
委員這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
376.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
378.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
他是不是有構成圖利的可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
378.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
381.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
但是我想就是對一般 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
381.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
382.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
外界 |
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382.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
384 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
看這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
384 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
385.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
就覺得說就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
385.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
386.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
基隆分公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
386.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
387.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
基隆港務分公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
387.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
388.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
看起來就雙標 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
388.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
389.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
390.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
392.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
這個基隆市市長謝國良 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
392.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
393.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
他申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
393.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
394.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
要辦龍舟比賽 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
394.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
395.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
然後就不准 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
395.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
398 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
但是如果說是同志委 |
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398 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
399.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
這個議長 |
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399.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
400.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
他現在同樣也是 |
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400.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
402.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
基隆市市長參選人 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
402.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
404.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
然後申請放一個大型的浮球 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
404.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
405 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
在港口 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
405 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
405.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
這個就準 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
405.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
406.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
所以如果說今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
406.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
408.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
我們的基隆市市長謝國良 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
408.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
409.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
他趕快也去申請一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
409.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
411.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
放應有他名義的 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
411.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
413.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
一個大型的浮球 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
413.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
然後放在基隆港 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
416.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
那一直到投票前一天 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
416.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
417.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
我不知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
417.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
418.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
港務公司會不會準 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
418.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
420.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
或許今天這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
420.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
421.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
媒體可以去問他 |
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421.8 |
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422.6 |
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是不是 |
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422.6 |
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423.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
他會准許 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
423.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
425.7 |
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同樣的這個情況 |
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425.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
426.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
那麼好 |
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426.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
427.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
那接下來 |
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427.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
429.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
我再請教的就是 |
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429.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
431.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
在桃園農水署 |
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431.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
所辦理的地方 |
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433 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
434.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
農耕 供水交流活動 |
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434.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
剛剛其實前面兩位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
437.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
也都有問過這個問題 |
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437.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
439.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
本來是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
439.5 |
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442.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
一個農耕 供水的交流活動 |
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442.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
443.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
結果竟然變成了 |
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443.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
動算大會 |
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446.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
448.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
桃園市市長的參選人 |
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448.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
450.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
竟然穿著計選背心上台 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
450.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
452.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
然後旁邊還有他的父親 |
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452.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
455.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
就是農田水利發展基金會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
455.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
456.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
這黃董事長 |
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456.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
458 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
然後農水署的官員 |
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458 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
460.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
甚至這個帶頭喊動算 |
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460.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
461.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
我想請教就是 |
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461.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
464.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
農藝部的黃次長 |
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464.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
還有農水署的署長 |
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466 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
468.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
當天帶頭喊動算的官員是誰 |
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471.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
473.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
我們兩位都沒有在現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
473.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
474.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
所以事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
474.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
476.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
我們只是從昨天的 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
476.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
478.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
這個影片這樣子來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
478.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
479.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
我們也不知道是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
479.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
479.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
是處長嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
479.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
481.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
是農水署的這個相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
481.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
483.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
這個地方的處長嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
483.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
484.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
在台上有處長 |
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484.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
486.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
但是是不是他帶頭喊這個部分 |
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486.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
487.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
我沒有辦法 |
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487.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
487.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
所以這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
487.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
489.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
其實是從今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
489.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
490.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
應該是8月還是6月的時候 |
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490.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
491.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
發生的 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
491.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
492.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
你們都不知道這個事情嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
492.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
494.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
當時新聞上面都有報導 |
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494.7 |
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496.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
你們沒有對於這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
496.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
497.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
去進行了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
497.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
498.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
是誰喊動算 |
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498.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
499.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
你們到現在不知道 |
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501.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
501.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
基本上 |
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501.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
504.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
因為這個活動是在8月3號舉行 |
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504.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
505.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
那這個部分是我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
505.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
508.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
節水的宣導的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
508.8 |
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510.1 |
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事實上這個從 |
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510.1 |
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511.7 |
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不是今年第一次舉辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
511.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
513.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
那過去在舉辦的時候 |
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513.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
515.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
那也都會有地方的 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
515.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
517.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
民意代表跟相關的人士來 |
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517.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
518.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
公 |
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518.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
520 |
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來 |
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520 |
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521.6 |
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我現在我只是要了解到 |
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521.6 |
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524.4 |
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是哪一位官員帶頭喊動算 |
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524.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
526.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
我們也是從這個影片上面來看 |
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526.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
528.4 |
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那我們現在確認的就是 |
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528.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
530.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
處長確實是有在台上 |
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530.5 |
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531.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
那但 |
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531.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
533.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
但是到底是誰帶頭去喊動算 |
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533.7 |
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534.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
這個部分 |
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534.4 |
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535.1 |
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我沒有辦法再 |
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535.1 |
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535.6 |
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好 |
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535.6 |
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537 |
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所以是不是可以請 |
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537 |
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538.7 |
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次長還有署長 |
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538.7 |
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539.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
給我一份資料 |
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539.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
540.3 |
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是 |
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540.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
541.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
當天的活動 |
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541.5 |
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542.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
詳細的紀錄 |
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542.9 |
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545 |
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然後是誰帶頭喊動算 |
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545 |
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546.5 |
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因為我覺得這很重要啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
546.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
548.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
這很明顯的事件有違反了 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
548.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
549.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
行政中立法 |
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549.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
550.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
然後我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
550.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
551.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
因為這個部分 |
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551.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
552.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
你們全程沒有錄影嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
552.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
554.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
檢察官也有在調查 |
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554.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
556.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
你想這樣的話太卸責了 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
556.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
557.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
對不對 |
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557.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
558.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
我們這是事後調查 |
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558.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
560.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
你全程都沒有錄影 |
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560.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
561.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
然後當地有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
561.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
563.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
請問當地有多少的民眾在場 |
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563.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
參加 |
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565 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
566.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
因為這個案子已經有人檢舉 |
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566.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
568.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
那這個也在調查 |
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568.1 |
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569.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
檢舉是檢舉 |
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569.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
570.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
司法調查 |
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570.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
571.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
你行政調查也要做 |
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571.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
573.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
可見得你們就是包庇 |
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573.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
574.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
我們的行政調查 |
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574.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
575.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
對於自己下面的同仁 |
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575.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
577.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
到底做了什麼事情都不曉得 |
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577.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
而且是誰決定說 |
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579 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
當時是要發 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
這個三百元的雞蛋盒 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
583.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
桃園管理處 |
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583.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
585.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
這個他們每年的活動 |
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585.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
586.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
都是這個都有 |
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586.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
586.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
好 |
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586.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
588.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
那麼如果說每年都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
588.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
589.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
那你把每年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
589.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
590.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
這發放的這個禮品 |
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590.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
592.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
這些資料全部 |
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592.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
594.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
也提供給我一份 |
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594.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
595.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
就近五年來 |
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595.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
596.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
596.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
597.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
同時本身要了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
597.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
598.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
就當天 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
598.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
600.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
到底有哪些官員在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
600.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
603.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
然後是誰帶頭喊動算 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
603.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
604.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
我覺得這個議題很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
604.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
605.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
因為這涉及到我們今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
605.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
607.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
講的行政中立法 |
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607.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
608.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
608.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
609.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
次長還有署長 |
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609.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
611.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
你到現在都對於這個案子 |
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611.5 |
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613 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
完全不了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
613.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
615.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
這會讓大家很懷疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
615.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
616.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
因為八月份發生的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
616.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
618.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
到現在已經幾個月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
618.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
620.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
事實上因為這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
620.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
621.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
沒有涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
621.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
623.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
你們自己內部 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
623.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
都沒有任何的 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
626 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
剛剛已經有說過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
626 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
那行政中立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
基本上我們違反行政中立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
其實是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
631.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
應該也有罰則嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
631.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
這還不只是涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
就是司法 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
這個有沒有涉及到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
圖利的這些相關的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
好 那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
接下來我還要再請教的就是 |
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641 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
全序部的司部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
644.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
在過去三年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
644.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
646 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
像這種 |
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646 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
648 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
可能違反行政中立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
648 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
這種非典型的這種准用人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
過去有多少人曾經有違法過 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
不知道全序部這裡有沒有統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
656.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
各位委員報根據法律的架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
656.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
659.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
我們不做個案的一個調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
659.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
660.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
所以個案調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
660.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
都是機關自己去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
他們可能進行處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
那我希望全序部可以利用這次的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
去了解各機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
因為違反行政中立法第17條 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
等等相關的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
有多少人曾經有被懲處過 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
679 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
或是違反行政中立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
679 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
680 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
應該這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
680 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
682 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
我們要去看我們系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
682 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
當我們的公務同仁被懲處或者處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
686 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
有沒有特定的紀錄事由 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
686 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
先跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
如果有我們就比較好做 |
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689 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
如果沒有我們就真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
691 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
目前沒有這個資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
691 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
693 |
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你可以發文給各個公務機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
693 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
請他們提供資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
696 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
過去這些年來 |
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696 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
699 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
有沒有曾經違反過行政中立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
699 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
而被懲處的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
702 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
以及准用人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
702 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
704 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
因為這個我們可以作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
704 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
707 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
之後需不需要大幅度的修改 |
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707 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
709 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
公務人員行政中立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
709 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
711 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
的一個很重要的參考依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
711 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
如果說這部法規定在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
它形同巨文 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
行政機關看到了這些相關事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
從來沒有處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
那這個法律規定在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
有什麼用呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
然後接下來我還在講就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
因為在這一次其實涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
728 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
公務人員行政中立法第九條 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
728 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
第一項第六款的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
公務人員他原則上是不可以公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
為公職候選人站台助獎遊行敗票 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
但是有一個淡述的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
就是如果是他的配偶及 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
二親等以內的血親殷親 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
740 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
是不帶此線 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
740 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
746 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
因此在這次黃氏他的父親 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
746 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
748 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
幫他站台這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
748 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
或許有可能勉強來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
753 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
或許是有符合公務人員行政中立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
753 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
第九條第一項第六款的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
758 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
但是問題就是說這個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
758 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
761 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
基本上會讓外界認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
761 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
有這個瓜田裡下之血 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
769 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
那麼當初之所以有類似這個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
769 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
可能會考慮到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
這是不是人情之長 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
因為畢竟如果說自己家裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
很親近的親人然後出來參選 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
780 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
那家屬是不是可以也幫忙去助選站台 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
780 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
782 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
但是我想現在也看到了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
782 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
很嚴重的一個漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
就是如果說當這個親屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
他本身是高官是董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
那他站在台上的那個意義就不同了 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
794 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
對不對他就是一定會產生一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
實質的影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
800 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
所以我覺得這也是趁這一次的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
800 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
或許可以去檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
公務人員行政中立法第九條 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
第一項第六款的淡述 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
808 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
未來如果說可以准許配偶級 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
808 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
810 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
二星等以內的血親陰親 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
810 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
812 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
去幫忙去助選站台 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
812 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
是不是要有一些條件的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
816 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
譬如說在地域的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
816 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
或者是職等的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
如果說這麼大的大官 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
然後都站在他的兒子的旁邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
這個去幫忙助選 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
824 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
826 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
這一定是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
826 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
829 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
這是有這個特定圖利的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
829 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
831 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
違反行政中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
831 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
832 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
所以本席希望說全區部 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
832 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
834 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
也可以針對這個議題來進行檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
834 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
835 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
835 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
837 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
我們來看看這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
837 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
839 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
因為這當初本來就沒有這個淡述 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
839 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
842 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
後來像委員講人情議題各自 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
842 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
843 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
所以就加了這個淡述 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
843 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
846 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
那這個淡述是不是夠細緻 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
846 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
848 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
這個我們再來瞭解狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
848 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
849 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
看事實需要的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
849 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
851 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
我們再來討論這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
851 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
854 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
不過我想在中立法第九條的最後一 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
854 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
857 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
我印象中有一個最後一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
857 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
859 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
也有提到說 |
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859 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
863 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
可能還是有一些相關的條件限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
863 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
865 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
只是那個條件要怎麼操作的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
865 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
866 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
這個條件限制就是很模糊 |
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866 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
867 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
所以本席希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
867 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
869 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
全區部這裡可以去研擬 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
869 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
871 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
就是說看它需不需要把 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
871 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
873 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
未來這個條件變得更清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
873 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
875 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
而不管從區域上面地域上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
875 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
876 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
從質等上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
876 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
878 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
可以把這個法規定得更清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
878 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
879 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
我想委員的確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
879 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
880 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
我們再來瞭解 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
880 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
882 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
很簡單的一題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
882 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
883 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
當然我們今天討論的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
883 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
885 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
有關於公務人員行政中立法的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
885 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
888 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
希望公務人員特別在選舉期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
888 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
889 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
都能夠保持行政中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
889 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
892 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
但是事實上最大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
892 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
894 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
往往不是出現在公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
894 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
896 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
而是在政務官 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
896 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
898 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
這也是我們在司委會這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
898 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
900 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
其實已經有好幾個委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
900 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
904 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
都分別提出來有關於政務人員行為法 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
904 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
907 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
或是政務人員法的這個專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
907 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
910 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
裡面都有要求政務人員要行政中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
910 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
913 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
但是全區部就這個部分好像一直很抗拒 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
913 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
914 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
不願意去規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
914 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
918 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
或是去提案有關於政務人員法 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
918 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
920 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
所以是不是代表這個選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
920 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
922 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
什麼法務等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
922 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
924 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
這個基本上認為說反正 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
924 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
926 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
我們只是管小官 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
926 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
927 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
而不管大官 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
927 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
929 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
然後越是這個政務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
929 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
931 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
行政院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
931 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
933 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
還有這個之前在大罷免的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
933 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
935 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
主計長陳淑姿 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
935 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
937 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
不是也帶頭去參加造勢活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
937 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
940 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
然後前一陣子政醫藥部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
940 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
941 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
不來立法院質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
941 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
944 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
然後跑到地方上去幫這個特定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
944 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
947 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
這個立委的候選人 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
947 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
951 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
市長候選人去陪同一起去考察 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
951 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
953 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
類似這種問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
953 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
955 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
層出不窮 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
955 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
958 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
可是我們卻一直沒有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
958 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
963 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
考試院這邊提出來的政務人員法的這個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
963 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
965 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
我想這個事情委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
965 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
966 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
我有跟你們報告過 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
966 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
968 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
我們尊重立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
968 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
971 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
是不是有要訂政務人員法這個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
971 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
972 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
我們沒有反正但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
972 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
975 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
政務人員根據憲法規定的考試院的職長 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
975 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
977 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
考試院職長是對公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
977 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
979 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
所以如果需要訂這個法 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
979 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
981 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
他根據憲法的概念就應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
981 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
984 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
這樣好了我現在只要部長你一個回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
984 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
985 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
一個回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
985 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
989 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
你認不認為應該要規範政務人員行政中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
989 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
992 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
這個什麼叫法制化 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
992 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
994 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
行政中立這個字眼 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
994 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
996 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
有很多很多不同的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
996 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
998 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
譬如像說你不可以指示同仁去違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
998 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
1000 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
這本來是行政中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
1000 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
1001 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
可是行政中立裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
1001 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
1003 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
我們現行很多事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
1003 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
1005 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
涉及參與政治活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
1005 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
1007 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
所以這就兩個不一樣的規範的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
1007 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
1009 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
你聽別人講說剛剛講的那個政務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
1009 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
1011 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
不可以去指揮他下面的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
1011 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
1014 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
去從事違法的這個政治活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
1014 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
1017 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
可是在我們現在的行政中立法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
1017 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
1019 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
也沒有針對這個長官有進行處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
1019 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
1022 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
這本來是我想問的問題因為時間的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
1022 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
1023 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
我們有理念要調 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
1023 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
1027 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
總之我認為說其實政務人員的行政中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
1027 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
1030 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
的相關的規範應該要給他法制化 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
1030 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
1033 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
我們目前是完全複製缺乳 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
1033 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
1036 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
對於政務人員的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
1036 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
1040 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
沒有任何一個具體的明確的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
1040 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
1043 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
所以讓大家認為說這只是打小蒼蠅 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
1043 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
1045 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
針對那個老虎都管不了 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
1045 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
1047 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
沒有什麼太大的意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
1047 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
1050 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
那我也希望就是在這個會期 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
1050 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
1052 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
有可能的話希望我們的召委 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
1052 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
1054 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
也能夠繼續的加速我們來推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
1054 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
1057 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
有關於政務人員行為法或政務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
1057 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
1060 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
專法的這樣的一個法制化的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
1060 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
1062 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
好以上謝謝 |