| IVOD_ID |
171536 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171536 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-6-36-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第6會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-22T09:23:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-22T09:40:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9f0219c4ec2537e640a7693b178dcf5eb08b3c7c707988bcc735399645ef1d56ab1e007f00cecbda5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳昭姿 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:23:48 - 09:40:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第6會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請銓敘部部長、法務部部長、農業部部長就「公務機關與公務人員於選舉期間違反公務人員行政中立法查辦情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【10月21日及22日兩天一次會】） |
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0 |
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謝謝 |
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4 |
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8 |
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好 謝謝暑期 我先請這個法務部次長 |
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8 |
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12 |
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好 有請黃次長 |
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12 |
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15 |
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我想 好 謝謝次長 |
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15 |
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18 |
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我想先請您澄清一下 昨天的這個質詢 |
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18 |
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22 |
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大家都關注到一個 就是涉毒的這個檢察官 |
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22 |
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26 |
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一個非常重的重點 大概很多個立委都提出質疑 |
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26 |
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28 |
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但是因為答案不一致 |
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28 |
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32 |
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我今天要你跟全國人民公開說清楚 |
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32 |
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37 |
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這位涉毒的檢察官 有沒有辦過毒品犯相關的案件 |
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37 |
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39 |
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跟委員報告 |
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39 |
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45 |
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那他本身在這五年內他的確不是毒品專屬的檢察官 |
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45 |
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49 |
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但是因為我們毒品案件有分為一般的製造運輸販賣 |
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49 |
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51 |
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他有沒有辦過毒品相關案件 |
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51 |
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53 |
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那這五年內因為毒品案件非常多 |
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53 |
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54 |
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所以私用毒品的案件 |
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54 |
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58 |
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全國各地院主每個檢察官幾乎都會辦過這種案件 |
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58 |
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62 |
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都會辦過 昨天部長請你回去教育一下部長 |
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62 |
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66 |
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部長跟我說他在民生組 我還問他說排除得了嗎 |
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66 |
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70 |
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他說可以 就是麻煩你告訴部長 告訴全國人民說 |
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70 |
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75 |
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這個涉毒的這位檢察官 事實上是辦過毒品相關案件 |
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75 |
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77 |
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我這樣講有錯嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
77 |
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79 |
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毒品案件如果包括私用毒品案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
79 |
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80 |
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他辦過 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
80 |
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81 |
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好 謝謝次長 請回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
81 |
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83 |
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有請農業部的黃次長 |
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91 |
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93 |
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黃次長 早 |
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93 |
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95 |
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我手邊這邊資料是農業部核定的 |
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95 |
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99 |
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今天早上這邊這一份書面報告是農業部核定的 |
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99 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
101 |
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那我看了很不滿意 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
101 |
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105 |
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因為這個農水署官員在農水署的這個舉辦的活動上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
105 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
106 |
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高喊黃氏節動算 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
106 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
109 |
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還把光油土地給他使用跟造勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
109 |
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113 |
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昨天侯孟凱委員也完整的放了一段影音 |
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113 |
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118 |
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那請問今天的書面報告中對於這件事情隻字不提 |
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118 |
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124 |
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我想我們在做這個專報的時候目的不是請各位官員來念法條 |
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124 |
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126 |
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我們一定是有一些疑問質疑 |
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126 |
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132 |
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要替很多人民或是要提出這樣的一個報告 |
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132 |
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136 |
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所以這個我請這個次長 |
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136 |
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139 |
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次長您要先了解你們今天隻字不提 |
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139 |
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141 |
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整個報告隻字不提 |
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141 |
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145 |
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你要記住今天的專題報告是指什麼行政中立 |
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145 |
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147 |
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我不是要知道你們訂的法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
147 |
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149 |
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我是要知道你們做的情形 |
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149 |
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152 |
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好次長我想請教黃氏節的爸爸 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
152 |
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156 |
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黃經德過去長期擔任桃園農田水利會總幹事 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
156 |
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161 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
109年擔任桃園農田水利研究發展基金會的秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
161 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
163 |
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然後5年後他升任董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
163 |
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165 |
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我查了農業部的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
165 |
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167 |
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根據115年度的這個預算書 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
167 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
172 |
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這個基金會的基金總額高達5億650萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
172 |
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177 |
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而農業部在113年的這個行政監督實地查核報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
177 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
182 |
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明確的記載政府捐助比例高達百分之百 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
182 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
185 |
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主管機關就是農業部農田水利署 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
185 |
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188 |
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所以次長這不是黃家的這個私人基金會 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
188 |
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190 |
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這個是具有政府捐助背景 |
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190 |
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193 |
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必須受到農業部監督的財團法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
193 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
197 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
那黃經德在這個桃園農田水利體系經營這麼多年 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
197 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
199 |
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他兒子要參選這個桃園市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
199 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
204 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
到底農水署是依法行政的公務體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
204 |
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207 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
還是讓特定政治人物家族可以運用人脈的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
207 |
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209 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
我現在請教次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
209 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
212 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
農業部究竟有沒有採取任何具體措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
212 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
215 |
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每一個人的報告都說我們要遵守行政中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
215 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
218 |
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你究竟有沒有採取任何具體的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
218 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
222 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
防止政府捐助的基金會及農水署行政資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
222 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
224 |
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因為政治人物家族的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
224 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
227 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
會被不當運用在這個選舉上 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
227 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
229 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
有沒有任何這個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
230 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
233 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
跟主席報告跟這個委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
233 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
238 |
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第一個這個基金會它是屬於這個公社的財團法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
238 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
240 |
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我們很清楚剛剛我已經提到背景了 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
240 |
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244 |
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然後基本上他的這個董事會的這個主成 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
244 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
249 |
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還有董事長的常務董事的這些也都是透過選舉出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
249 |
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251 |
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所以基本上這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
251 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
253 |
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你認為透過選舉所以它有一樣的機制 |
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253 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
257 |
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基本上我們在本部在這個農水署的這個督導之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
257 |
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260 |
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對於所屬的這些財團法人也好基金委也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
260 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
268 |
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也都是有去發文去要求他們去做這個行政中立的相關的這樣的一個動作 |
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268 |
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272 |
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次長你就是說你們有在防止這個假公濟私 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
272 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
274 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
我們剛剛談到這個黃世傑爸爸黃金德 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
274 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
276 |
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曾經是桃園農田水利體系服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
276 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
278 |
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那我們來看看發生什麼事 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
278 |
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282 |
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今年10月3號黃世傑舉辦這個競選總部成立單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
282 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
286 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
連賴總統卓院長都出席了到場站台 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
286 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
288 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
結果這個這個造勢活動 |
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288 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
293 |
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他用的土地就是農水署石門管理處管理的公有土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
293 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
298 |
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次長這塊土地是位在桃園市中壢區中壢段145地號 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
298 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
301 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
面積高達1655平 |
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301 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
304 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
租了兩天租金是81700元 |
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304 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
307 |
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根據農水署你們自己10月13號新聞說 |
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307 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
311 |
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一切依法辦理符合年租金未達15萬的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
311 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
313 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
所以可以直接出租 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
313 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
320 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
奇怪了次長農田水利非事業用不動產活化收益辦法第19條第19條 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
320 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
324 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
白紙黑字寫的是年租金未達15萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
324 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
327 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
不是兩天租金未達15萬元吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
327 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
329 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
年租金未達15萬元 |
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329 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
333 |
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這個小學生都看得懂了次長年租金未達15萬元 |
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333 |
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336 |
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不是兩天租金未達15萬元吧 |
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336 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
按照你們農水署自己公布的申報地價跟6%的租率來計算 |
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341 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
346 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
這塊土地換算全年的租金高達1490萬元 |
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346 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
348 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
所以我想請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
348 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
351 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
租金按照兩天計算 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
351 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
356 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
跟符不符合年租金15萬的淨雨出租條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
357 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
359 |
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是兩碼市吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
361 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
是不是兩碼市呢 |
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361 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
362 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
跟委員報告 |
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362 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
368 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
第一個這個土地是今年4月份才從桃園市政府這邊移轉過來 |
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368 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
372 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
在我們農水署在接收到這個土地之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
372 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
374 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
事實上他是有一個委託計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
374 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
378 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
未來要規劃作為長遠租約的這個前置的這些工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
378 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
380 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
次長請你回答我剛剛很清楚 |
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380 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
農水署在所有的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
385 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
我們都希望把這個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
385 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
388 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
我們的所有的這個用地可以盡量的活化 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
388 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
394 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
那但是不是所有的用地都可以順利的成租 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
394 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
397 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
所以基本上也有那種短租的情況 |
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397 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
年租金未達15萬元才可以進制出租啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
404 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
你這個年租金事實上你算起來是1000 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
404 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
408 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
高達1500萬啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
408 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
410 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
但是他並沒有要租一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
410 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
所以基本上對於這種短租的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
當時候這個處理面的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
他是以這個365天來 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
420 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
那我問你那是不是高價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
420 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
全台灣高價值的這個公有土地都可以用相同的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
我們還是希望規劃以長期租約為主 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
那但是在租約 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
是你在解釋這個法規嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
是部長在解釋這個法規嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
是誰在解釋這個法令呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
你這樣解釋嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
明明規範很清楚啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
年租金未達15萬才得這個進制出租啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
其他要公開招標啊招租啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
這個部分是我們這個處理面的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
他是兩天未達15萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
所以想辦法現在兩天沒有達15萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
幾天沒有達15萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
就躲過了就模糊 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
含糊帶過了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
委員說的這個部分應該是我們的那個原則吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
464 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
跟委員補充報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
464 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
那因為在過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
這個大部分農田水利署各管理處 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
就是十年以下都自有各管理處在做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
那的確像委員您說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
大部分都是處於這個年租是比較多 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
不過在極少數的個案裡面的確也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
年租也是你們寫的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
年租也是你們寫的嘛小宣都看得懂嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
因為大部分的案子的確都是年租 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
市長署長您是署長嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
我現在質疑的是還有農水署 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
10月16日發新聞稿強調有辦理現地會刊喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
也經過這個租金查定小組委員審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
但媒體報導9月21日 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
9月21日辦理會刊喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
不到兩天 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
就回文核定租金81700次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
租金查定小組哪一天開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
哪些委員參加審查了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
那更重要的請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
誰是申請人 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
誰是申請人 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
你可以先回答我這幾件事嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
這都發生過啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
哪一天開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
526 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
哪些委員參加審查了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
526 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
誰是申請人 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
跟委員報告喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
那這個個案是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
因為委員關心之後我們就去了解喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
那在9月18號是申請人 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
申請人是在9月18號提出申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
那麼依照石門管理處的 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
申請人是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
跟委員報告因為這個有 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
這有課資問題嗎這國家的土地耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
我們不能知道申請人是誰嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
因為現在農水署各管理處的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
講不出來就是不能講嗎對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
是那他是9月18號申請之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
然後石門管理處9月21號去辦限定會 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
兩天後就核准了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
然後限定會刊完了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
那麼經過他們石門管理處的這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
審查委員他們的會審之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
書面會審之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
那麼就在9月23號 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
做成這樣的一個作法來繳費 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
我要完整資料不是說今天你說了算 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
我請次長直接回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
我這筆土地是誰提出申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
黃金德有沒有參與會刊跟協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
任何一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
甚至向這個農水署提出要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
因為如果黃金德確實參與的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
那農業部會不會有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
有沒有去調查相關人會不會受到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
不當的請託或壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
有沒有檢視利益回避的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
農水署說任何人都可以提出申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
全部採樣標準請務次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
好那我來請問你過去有多少一般民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
可以用相同的條件相同的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
這麼短的時間兩天 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
613 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
可以成功完成這個土地的承租 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
613 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
真的是誰來都可以跟你們租嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
都會被許可嗎是這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
次長那個或是這個農水署來回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
大家都可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
是跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
有過嗎有過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
就是像這些短租的這個案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
或者是常租事實上很多民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
其實絕大部分都 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
有過對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
有過有事 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
好那這樣有過好 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
農水署不能只是發新聞說我們依法辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
這對我們是不夠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
我現在要求農業部請你們認真聽好 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
把本案的申請書 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
會刊記錄委員名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
648 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
會議記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
648 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
核准簽成及租賃契約 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
以及你們說的別的民眾也用過 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
656 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
以及近三人用相同的條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
656 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
658 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
出租的案例提供給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
658 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
可以嗎我用這些資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
我們有資格要這些資料吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
我們就這個可以提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
這一案還有你說別人也可以用 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
667 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
那我要一起看 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
667 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
有別的鄰居案的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
什麼時候給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
670 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
這個都發生過的事啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
670 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
671 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
你既然說以前有過啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
671 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
673 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
然後這件事也發生過啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
673 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
什麼時候給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
676 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
我們依程序來簽辦提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
676 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
678 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
678 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
679 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
兩個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
679 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
已經都發生過的東西啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
682 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
682 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
這不是未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
兩個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
686 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
需要到兩個禮拜嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
686 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
688 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
可是你核准的還兩天而已啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
688 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
我不要兩天內給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
你核准一案子開會審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
討論兩天就可以完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
695 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
核准 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
695 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
697 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
為什麼你給我要兩個週呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
697 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
兩星期呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
699 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
那跟委員說 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
699 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
我們下個禮拜一個禮拜提供好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
這個連假過後就馬上給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
704 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
704 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
706 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
禮拜二我需要這個資料好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
706 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
好那請法務部次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
709 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
次長我一邊講 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
709 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
711 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
為什麼有人發帽子發關 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
711 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
那個關廟面就被抓了 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
那農村署在自己活動發三百塊的這個雞蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
幫黃世傑服選不算會選啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
難道是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
是因為這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
黃世傑擔任過法務部次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
725 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
底下檢察官不敢辦嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
725 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
我和你的懷疑啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
這案子都已經分案偵辦了 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
都在偵辦中了 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
都在偵辦中 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
732 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
732 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
是他自案還是曾自案 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
他自案 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
他自案 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
他自案也可以簽結對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
隨便了結對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
不不不 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
他自案他簽結 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
要簽結一定有我們法律上的事由才可以簽結 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
742 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
什麼事會出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
742 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
這個個案上我當然不曉得 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
這麼敏感的案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
746 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
每個個案都不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
我們沒有辦法預判他什麼時候可以徵結 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
750 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
好資料出來就立刻 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
753 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
麻煩交給我辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
753 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
這件事事關重大 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
好那再請農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
758 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
農業部次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
758 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
針對需要公開標註的國有土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
761 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
盡自出租 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
761 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
763 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
農水署署長明知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
763 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
是違法還要凹 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
769 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
我們今天的主題是公務人員行政中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
769 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
請問農水署我舉的例子這麼清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
昨天也有人放影音 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
有沒有違反行政中立呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
780 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
這樣沒有違反行政中立嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
780 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
782 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
782 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
第一個在他這個舉辦的這個活動的日期來說的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
那在他並非在這個公告日的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
他是在公告日之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
請稍等 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
795 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
你們剛剛今天大概想盡辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
795 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
就凹出了一個日期 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
800 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
情理法還有倫理 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
總統跟行政院長都到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
808 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
那個是他選舉造勢的日期 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
808 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
跟我們管理處的那個活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
昨天播放的是我們那個管理處的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
816 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
管理處的然後他進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
816 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
818 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
你現在跟我凹一個日期 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
818 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
820 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
你們什麼時候知道黃市 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
820 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
這個次長是要去競選 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
去要競選桃園市市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
825 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
他不是因此離職嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
825 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
826 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
我不瞭解 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
826 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
829 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
你們現在在玩文字遊戲 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
829 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
832 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
情理法你讓全國人民聽不聽得下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
832 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
834 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
法律沒有倫理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
834 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
836 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
沒有道德標準嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
836 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
838 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
沒有理跟情嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
838 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
840 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
他不足以影響嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
840 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
842 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
這種會選 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
842 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
846 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
改變選舉全人的意志足以影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
846 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
848 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
你覺得沒有問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
848 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
852 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
我覺得我之前也在這個民間的團體裡面待過 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
852 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
855 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
所以基本上就是我們舉辦活動的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
855 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
858 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
各界的民意代表或地方人士來到的會場 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
858 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
860 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
你們簡直是全力以赴 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
860 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
863 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
我們都會感謝表達祝福 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
863 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
864 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
委歸借他用 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
864 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
866 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
也讓他在那邊喊 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
866 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
868 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
還送三百塊的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
868 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
870 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
那個是我們活動的裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
870 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
872 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
不是今年才有 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
872 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
873 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
在一個最好的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
873 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
876 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
我們每次活動都是這樣子處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
876 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
878 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
次長我請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
878 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
880 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
農水署這件明顯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
880 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
882 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
這個是超速建可短租 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
882 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
884 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
超便宜的特權 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
884 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
濫用柏土案國有地案 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
891 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
你們聲稱這個政風調查結果是查無不法 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
891 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
893 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
很難看 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
893 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
895 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
人家的市政物證人證這麼齊全 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
895 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
897 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
你說查無不法 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
897 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
900 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
你這樣明顯的包庇 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
900 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
902 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
902 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
905 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
我覺得在這個個案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
905 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
907 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
我覺得我們的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
907 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
908 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
不要講那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
908 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
909 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
我們今天談的是國有土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
909 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
911 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
你們會做榜樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
911 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
912 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
全國效法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
912 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
915 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
他們有一個管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
915 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
917 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
還有這個出租的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
917 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
921 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
同事大概就是依照這樣的原則來辦理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
921 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
923 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
年租金小於四五萬才行 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
923 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
925 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
那硬拗 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
925 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
927 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
小學生都不會解釋成是那兩千四五萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
927 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
929 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
如果這個出租原則裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
929 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
931 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
有不夠詳盡 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
931 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
933 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
或者是沒有辦法符合的這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
933 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
935 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
農水署身為簽約的甲方 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
935 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
937 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
明知道乙方違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
937 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
939 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
還協助這個蒙蔽 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
939 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
941 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
承租人的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
941 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
942 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
就是包庇土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
942 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
943 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
最正確鑿的公務員違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
943 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
946 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
取決法令土地特定對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
946 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
948 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
農業部趕快查 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
948 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
950 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
那全區部不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
950 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
市部長您剛剛說已經在 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
954 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
全區部要查 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
954 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
956 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
您剛剛也報告行政中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
956 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
958 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
您也要有一份報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
958 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
960 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
那不好意思這個法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
960 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
962 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
黃政 您說再查 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
962 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
964 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
就是請三位好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
964 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
965 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
不好意思請三位 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
965 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
967 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
農業部全區部法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
967 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
969 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
相關部會趕快查 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
969 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
971 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
不要太離譜嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
971 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
973 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
你們在紅磡包庇 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
973 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
975 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
不要做到很難看嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
975 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
979 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
人證 市政 物證一全齊全 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
979 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
981 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
你們都說沒事 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
981 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
983 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
你希望全國人民學習這樣的風氣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
983 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
985 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
你希望台灣的選舉風氣是這樣子的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
987 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
989 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
麻煩三個部會的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
989 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
991 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
我都要 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
991 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
993 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
剛剛我們提到兩天後 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
993 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
995 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
台風連假過後 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
995 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
997 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
我們就要知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
997 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
999 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
您過去說這個是很多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
999 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
1001 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
民眾也有可以達到這樣的使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
1001 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
1003 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
這塊土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
1003 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
1005 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
然後這一次針對這個案子的使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
1005 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
1007 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
我剛剛提了六項 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
1007 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
1009 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
請再跟我一一確認這個我需要的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
1009 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
1011 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
1011 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
1013 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
謝謝主席 |