| IVOD_ID |
171534 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171534 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-6-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第6會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-22T09:20:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-22T09:32:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9f0219c4ec2537e65343a11191316ff7e8177f1cdd900897c735399645ef1d56db33f131730d363f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:20:06 - 09:32:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第6會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員、經濟部部長、勞動部首長、數位發展部首長及交通部首長就「公平會就跨境事業併購案之結合審查機制，是否納入複雜股權結構、勞動權益與資安風險等考量?」進行報告，並備質詢。
【10月21日及22日二天一次會】） |
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0 |
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請登記第一位的邱營委員發言 |
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謝謝主席我是不是請下公評會 |
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好請公評會陳主委 |
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主委早 |
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25 |
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主委我想還是要請教一下 |
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25 |
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昨天我想這個公評會花了很長的時間 |
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開會討論Grab收購Foodpanda的這個案子 |
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那其實Foodpanda被收購 |
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已經兩次了 |
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兩次都被我們公評會駁回 |
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一次是在2024年 |
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這個Uber本來是要收購Foodpanda |
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那公評會也禁止他們結合 |
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那一次就是今現在的這個2026年 |
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Grab要收購Foodpanda |
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50 |
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我想請教一下 |
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55 |
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這個當然我們尊重整個公評會的依法審查 |
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55 |
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公評會一定有自己相關禁止結合的這個考量 |
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但是我想更進一步請教 |
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當我們在審查會的審查的這個過程裡頭 |
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66 |
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我們兩年前禁止了Uber Eats收購Foodpanda |
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70 |
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現在又禁止了Grab收購Foodpanda |
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75 |
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到底我們有沒有實際去了解 |
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75 |
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78 |
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Foodpanda對於經營台灣市場的意向 |
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到底是如何 |
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或者是說 |
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84 |
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其實Uber也公開也說明了 |
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84 |
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他們其實是想要直接收購 |
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這個delivery hero |
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所以他要直接從他的母公司去做收購 |
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到底我們公評會有沒有去做過這樣的一個評估 |
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我們擋下了這樣的一個併購案 |
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那接下來呢 |
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107 |
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Foodpanda的整個經營的意願是什麼 |
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如果到最後Foodpanda直接放棄台灣市場 |
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那其實前面的審查都是多餘的 |
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他未來還是可能只剩下一個Uber Eats |
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又或者是他的母公司 |
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整個直接被Uber Eats收購了 |
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那未來的整個外送的市場 |
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還是只有Uber Eats |
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那公民會如何面對這樣子未來有可能的 |
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132 |
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不管是競爭態勢 |
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134 |
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或者是未來有可能的市場發展 |
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134 |
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135 |
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公民會怎麼看 |
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135 |
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是因為跟委員報告 |
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就是昨天在討論 |
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花了很長的時間在討論這個案子 |
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其實委員關切的議題 |
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144 |
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在委員會裡面我們都有做了一些討論 |
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144 |
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那最後我想 |
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如果稍微說一下你們討論的這個概況 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
149 |
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152 |
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如果真的有這樣的狀況發生的時候 |
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152 |
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我接下來要跟委員報告就是說 |
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其實我們當然也知道外界的關切 |
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就是假設這個案禁止以後 |
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Foodpanda可能就不願意再經營 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
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163 |
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那Uber可能會變成獨佔 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
163 |
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165 |
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那委員也充分表達意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
165 |
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166 |
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那基本上我們的立場 |
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168 |
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委員的立場是認為說 |
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168 |
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171 |
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你的委員是你們的審查委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
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172 |
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審查委員 |
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172 |
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174 |
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你把審查兩個都審查 |
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人家會以為是我充分表達我的意見 |
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多數委員 |
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177 |
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179 |
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我們審查多數的審查委員是認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
179 |
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這個東西是一個不確定的因素 |
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183 |
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那對於個案的審查來講 |
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183 |
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我想多數人還是傾向於說 |
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185 |
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以既有的現況來做一些分析跟評估 |
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所以我們有注意到這個問題 |
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但是最後做決定的時候 |
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我們是認為說這個都還在進行事當中 |
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或者是說未來一些不確定的因素 |
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所以並沒有再繼續深入的去探討這個問題 |
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所以才會做出這個決定 |
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好來我請教經濟部好不好 |
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208 |
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那投審司 |
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210 |
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來投審司 |
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213 |
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那郭委員好 |
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其實我剛剛問這個公評會的這個問題 |
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當然很多的決定權不在公評會 |
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他當然只能就結合或禁止結合這個立場上去做考量 |
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就公評交易的立場上去做考量 |
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那未來如果 |
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233 |
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如果Uber的全球收購持續推進的話 |
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那假如FUPENTA在台灣的業務 |
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因為這個母公司的交易層級去把它停掉了 |
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240 |
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它已經整個就併到了這個Uber的系統裡頭去了 |
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245 |
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你覺得台灣或者是說經濟部這裡 |
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251 |
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你們會如何面對這樣的一個狀況 |
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252 |
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然後會有什麼樣的討論 |
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或者是什麼樣的因應之道 |
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有沒有 |
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首先跟委員報告 |
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就是之前我們確實有先了解說 |
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在Uber在收購FUPENTA母公司的一個狀況 |
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那我們得到的答覆初步是認為說 |
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在當時因為那個Grab已經有啟動收購案了 |
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那這個部分 |
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在收購FUPENTA母公司的部分是排除掉台灣業務的 |
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那現在的狀況當然就因為看起來Grab |
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所以你們了解的時候是因為Grab要來收購FUPENTA |
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所以他們Uber在收購Delivery Hero的時候 |
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295 |
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它就直接排除掉台灣的市場 |
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295 |
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296 |
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對不對 |
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296 |
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298 |
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那現在的狀況已經不一樣了 |
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298 |
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301 |
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我們駁回了Grab的收購計畫 |
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301 |
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307 |
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那未來Uber Eats在整個收購母公司的計畫裡頭 |
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307 |
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310 |
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會不會納入台灣的市場的考量 |
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310 |
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312 |
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這個部分 |
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這個有沒有事先去做過評估 |
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314 |
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316 |
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或者是事先去做過了解 |
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316 |
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319 |
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或是有可能這個事情是昨天才發生 |
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319 |
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324 |
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所以未來你們的整個因應的狀況評估的報告 |
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324 |
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328 |
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這個部分經濟部都會透過所謂的 |
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328 |
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332 |
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像比如說我們去收集國際的一些並購的商情 |
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332 |
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336 |
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那如果說確認說可能會包括在台灣 |
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342 |
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或者還不確定的情況我們會先去跟Uber的代理人去了解 |
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342 |
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346 |
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說這個案子未來是怎麼樣的一個處置 |
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346 |
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350 |
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那就經濟部本身因為我們是外資的審查 |
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350 |
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所以說即使是上層股東的變動 |
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353 |
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357 |
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我們主要還是確認說它是不是維持外資的一個身份 |
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357 |
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361 |
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對那當然它如果說確定會變更的話 |
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361 |
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365 |
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那就可能會涉及到FUPENTA本身在台灣的投資計畫 |
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365 |
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367 |
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可能會有變更 |
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367 |
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373 |
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那我們可能會再請原本FUPENTA的投資人來做一個說明 |
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373 |
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377 |
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不過因為這個部分可能主要的重點還是會回歸到 |
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377 |
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380 |
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如果Uber併了FUPENTA的母公司 |
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380 |
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382 |
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那一樣會有事業結合的問題 |
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382 |
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384 |
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可能重點還是會在這個部分 |
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384 |
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387 |
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所以我這個也是我要請教公評會就是說 |
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387 |
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391 |
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我們現在當然只處理我現在眼前看到的 |
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391 |
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394 |
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我現在眼前收的件就是GRAPH要去收購FUPENTA |
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394 |
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399 |
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那將來在整個經濟市場的變動整個外送市場的變動之下 |
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399 |
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401 |
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併購風潮的變動之下 |
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401 |
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404 |
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如果Uber直接就去收購了他的母公司 |
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404 |
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410 |
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那未來未來還是有可能會有這樣的狀況出現 |
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410 |
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414 |
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那這個時候已經他根本就不需要送公評會處理啦 |
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414 |
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417 |
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因為他就是已經直接是Uber宣傳的講法 |
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417 |
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418 |
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跟委員報告一下 |
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418 |
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420 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
昨天討論說這個議題其實我們沒有討論到 |
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420 |
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422 |
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不過就是說跟委員報告一下就是說 |
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422 |
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424 |
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你現在無法預估 |
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424 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
我們是無法預估 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
然後另外就是針對委員提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
427 |
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430 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
Uber全球收購Deliver Hero這個案子 |
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430 |
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432 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
目前沒錯他是透過公開收購 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
432 |
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435 |
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來收購他在德國母公司的股權 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
但是因為這個案子將來還是要經過競爭主管機關的行動 |
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438 |
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439 |
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很可才可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
441 |
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所以他有可能在德國在其他歐盟的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
441 |
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443 |
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他必須要接受競爭的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
443 |
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444 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
第二點就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
444 |
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448 |
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因為事實上我們之前已經進了Uber收購FUPENTA |
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448 |
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451 |
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所以這樣的結合行為將來如果真的發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
451 |
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453 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
他其實也要受我們法規的約束 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
453 |
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456 |
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所以公平會還是有在法律上有空間 |
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456 |
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457 |
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可以來針對這個收購行為 |
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457 |
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460 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
來認定他在公平法上的一個效果 |
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460 |
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462 |
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所以這大概是昨天我們在審查的時候 |
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462 |
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464 |
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多數審查委員的意見大概是這樣子 |
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464 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
467 |
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所以就是我剛剛跟他講 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
468 |
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不確定因素我們不考慮 |
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468 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
但是對這個東西我們會去思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
473 |
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法規上是不是我們還有一些著墨跟回應的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
473 |
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474 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
好了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
477 |
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我想這個當然大家也會非常的關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
477 |
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479 |
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未來走到最後會不會還是真的變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
479 |
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481 |
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真的變成只有Uber一家獨大 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
那這個寡占市場包括外送員的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
485 |
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488 |
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包括商家的利益 抽成等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
各式各樣的這些法規保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
未來如果變成一家獨大的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
我們應該怎麼樣去做因應面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
這個可能也是將來我們要持續去討論的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
499 |
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是 我們會持續的觀察 |
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499 |
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503 |
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好 另外我想再請教一下第二個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
503 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
這個我不曉得主委您有沒有看過這樣的一個廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
508 |
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511 |
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就是KIA這個汽車公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
514 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
它的這個廣告宣傳 |
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514 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
它說這個KIA的Sportage |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
是歐洲狀級五顆星安全認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
那可是後來發現其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
526 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
它交到台灣來的這一輛車 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
526 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
跟它在歐洲送驗的車型車款 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
包括內裝等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
其實是完全不是說完全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
就是說大部分是不太一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
所以我們台灣交通部的新車安全平等報告 |
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540 |
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543 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
只給了它兩顆星 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
我們今天有交通部的官員嗎 |
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546 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
公共運輸及監理司長是不是 |
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549 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
551 |
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是不是先跟委員報告一下 |
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551 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
這案子我們已經處分了 |
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553 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
我知道你們處分了 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
我現在要談的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
我當然知道你們處分了 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
我現在要談的是說 |
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560 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
像這些廣告在出來的時候 |
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563 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
你們有沒有可能第一時間 |
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565 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
或者不要說第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
就是它廣告一上架的時候你們就發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
我想是主動關切跟事後罰款 |
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572 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
574 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
兩個不同的差別 |
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574 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
你的事後罰款很多人很可能 |
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576 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
很多消費者有可能因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
因為這樣的一個安全認證的廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
他去買了這輛車 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
他信任的這個所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
歐洲認證的五顆星安全的狀級 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
後來才發現其實它在台灣只有兩顆星 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
它的安全狀極力只有兩顆星 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
所以當然你們認為它是廣告不實 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
所以你們就罰了它款 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
可是安全這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
通常不會是事後才去做補強 |
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599 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
我們應該它買這輛車 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
很多是因為它的安全係數是到五顆星 |
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604 |
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605 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
所以我要談的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
有沒有可能是事前去做好把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
好過於我們在事後才去做罰款 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
來 主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
公平會大概我們有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
有一些不實廣告的事前的監測機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
有些網路事前機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
當然我們說再怎麼樣緬密 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
總是會有漏網之力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
這個案子主要當然是從外界檢舉而來 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
我們才得知 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
不過我們這幾年都盡量的希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
能夠透過這些數位的科技 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
盡可能早期的發現這個不實廣告的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
那我們在有些案子我們會主動去 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
640 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
真的有發現這個疑義的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
640 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
我們會主動介入調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
好 那個交通部可不可以說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
比如說像這些車商 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
他一定要受你們的檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
那受你們檢測出來的車款 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
台灣是兩顆星 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
654 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
但是他的廣告是 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
654 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
656 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
引用歐洲的五顆星的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
656 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
交通部有沒有什麼一些比較積極的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
663 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
當然我們也是接受檢舉的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
663 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
我們就有把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
665 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
所以你們還是要接受檢舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
665 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
你們還是被動的去審查這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
670 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
被動的去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
670 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
接收到這樣的一個資訊就是了 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
673 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
跟委員報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
673 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
我們主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
我們應該是說車輛在審查的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
678 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
其實都是主動機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
678 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
680 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
就比如說像TNCAP這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
680 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
我們在審 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
他提供的資料都是符合他 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
因為他並沒有在審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
那個TNCAP的測試的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
有不實的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
因為他其實就是照他的實際的配備 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
696 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
來做TNCAP的測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
696 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
那TNCAP的測試之後也是給 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
依照他來測試的車款 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
給予新等 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
新等就是依照他來 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
706 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
你講這個我都懂啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
706 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
707 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
我現在要問你的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
707 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
709 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
你的TNCAP |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
709 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
711 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
他驗出來只有兩顆星嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
711 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
可是他在做廣告的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
他不會用你們的TNCAP |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
他講的是歐洲認證是五顆星嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
那這個落差其實是很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
除非你們的驗證標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
是有很大的不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
725 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
否則五顆星跟兩顆星 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
725 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
其實落差是很大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
我要談的是這一些車輛安全認證的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
有沒有可能我們就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
在就你在發現他的廣告不實的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
其實我們就能夠第一時間去抓出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
當然公民衛會事後開罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
748 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
我現在談的是在安全的所謂的宣傳上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
748 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
這個你們回去想一下啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
我知道你大概也回答不出來啦 |