| IVOD_ID |
171196 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171196 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-6-2 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期第2次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-06T15:49:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-06T16:20:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
游顥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:49:58 - 16:20:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第6會期第2次會議（事由：對行政院院長施政報告進行質詢。） |
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何院長好 那有請卓院長 |
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麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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那也請經濟部長 |
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麻煩請經濟部長備詢 |
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邱委員好 |
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院長好 那在台電的議題 |
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那在民進黨政府這次的最佳預算中 |
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那有一部分是編列了711億元來撥補台電 |
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持舉時的照顧民生 |
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但是是受這個緬藍貂價格衝擊 |
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影響 大家所以看到穩定物價跟電價 |
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那簡單來說 透過大數額的錢來補助台電 |
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讓電價不要上漲 |
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看起來是合情合理 |
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那但是也需要經過檢驗 |
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那想先就教一下院長 |
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台電身為一個國營事業 |
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它的存在是目標要引力 |
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還是要配合這個特定的任務 |
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它也要承擔相關的損失 |
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68 |
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71 |
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任何一個國營事業 |
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71 |
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75 |
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它當然有它自己管理上效率上的要求 |
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而且它必須達到它的法定的一個經營 |
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82 |
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但是國營事業就是要為國家的民生穩定 |
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83 |
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物價穩定 |
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85 |
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要肩負這種政策目標 |
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85 |
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87 |
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所以我們一再的要求它 |
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90 |
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做很多很多的政策上的配合 |
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91 |
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希望它能夠穩定物價 |
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也同時必須在它營運財務有所不足的時候 |
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透過這樣的公務預算的方式來填平它 |
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100 |
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不僅是填平過去的政策目標的使用 |
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也對未來的整體營運 |
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108 |
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也會給它一個更好的財政體質 |
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好 那再來就是營利的思維 |
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也包含在應該所講的承擔的任務 |
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以及開源節流 |
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115 |
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118 |
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那開源要靠本事節流要靠管理 |
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那不管有沒有辦法開源 |
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大概至少要把節流做好 |
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124 |
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那想問一下部長現在 |
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126 |
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或是院長開源跟節流 |
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目前有做了哪些的措施 |
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128 |
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在今年以及成效如何 |
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包委員我先說明一下就是說 |
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今年吸收的價格的確是 |
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因為今年的天然氣漲的實在太多了 |
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戰爭之前大概一個單位的天然氣價格 |
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大概10塊到11塊美金左右 |
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現在都已經漲到25塊 |
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甚至最高還有到27塊 |
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所以那這個部分大部分是台電公司它吸收了 |
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因為中油已經沒有辦法吸收這個了 |
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因為那個金額太大了 |
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那如果說委員您上面這個例子 |
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說如果711億可以全數通過的話 |
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那我們會把這樣的information |
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讓這些審查委員 |
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就是我們有電價審議委員會 |
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讓他了解事實上 |
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180 |
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雖然如果到年底整個吸收的話 |
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應該是差不多有1200億左右 |
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但是呢如果有這個711億的話 |
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至少讓台電的虧損可以控制在一定的水準之下 |
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它還是可以承受 |
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那直接問一下 |
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711億假如大家來支持來通過的話 |
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在剩下兩個月包含明年2027年的話 |
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在這個電價審議之後的話 |
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202 |
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是不是明年的話電價可以不用上漲 |
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因為電價審議它是有兩個時間嘛 |
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一個是10月份 |
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另外一個是4月份 |
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所以要到明年4月份 |
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當然我們是希望就是說 |
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221 |
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如果這個戰爭可以盡快的落幕的情況之下的話 |
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然後天然氣價可以稍稍回來的話 |
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那當然這個這樣的話 |
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能源價格就可以比較平穩 |
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好沒關係 |
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230 |
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那就請院長是不是也回覆一下 |
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235 |
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那這個711億能夠挹注來講的話 |
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235 |
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237 |
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能夠來協助台電 |
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237 |
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241 |
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那2027有沒有目標請向電價部長 |
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行政院當然無法替電價審議委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
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來做這樣的決定 |
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245 |
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247 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
否則電價審議委員會的功能就不復存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
247 |
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252 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
但是如果讓台電先前的虧損有所彌平 |
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256 |
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而且對未來的財政體質能夠稍稍的支撐的話 |
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256 |
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258 |
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那這個訊息我想電價審議委員會 |
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在審議的時候會以民生穩定 |
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物價穩定的優先考量 |
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那就有助於大家在討論電價的時候 |
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是不是會趨勢比較保守 |
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268 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
270 |
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讓台電繼續承受更多的責任 |
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270 |
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272 |
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這個是未來電價審議委員會的功能 |
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有沒有辦法以此為目標 |
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276 |
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我們當然希望 |
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278 |
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2027電價部長 |
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280 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
讓台電能夠撐住在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
280 |
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283 |
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他的財務狀況不會發生極大的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
283 |
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284 |
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他只要能夠繼續的營運 |
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284 |
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286 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
那國家會來支持他 |
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286 |
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289 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
那民生的問題列為優先的考量 |
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291 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
讓民生穩定物價穩定 |
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294 |
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院長其實記得在第一會期的時候總質詢的時候 |
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294 |
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前部長有提到到時候還是會 |
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部長會稍後還會給您批 |
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那所以電價審議的結論 |
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到時候還是你這邊會過最後一關 |
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那我是覺得2027年 |
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305 |
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是否能夠維持電價部長 |
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307 |
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那尤其在711億 |
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308 |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
那來支持台電的情況之下 |
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我覺得在方向上能夠穩定物價來講 |
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315 |
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我覺得院長是可以做一個宣示 |
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是 我們在宣示就是如果 |
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321 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
台電的經營讓他能夠稍稍的健全 |
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321 |
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324 |
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沒有太大的財政上的危機的話 |
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324 |
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325 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
那電價審議委員會 |
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325 |
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328 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
我們會期待也鼓勵往民生穩定 |
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328 |
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330 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
穩定物價穩定的方向來走 |
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| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
因為台電跟中油不一樣 |
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所以2027年你的方向是希望也能夠穩穩不漲 |
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335 |
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337 |
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當然每一年都期待這個樣子 |
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337 |
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338 |
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不如2027年 |
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340 |
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所以你也是目標不漲嘛 |
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340 |
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342 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
目標物價要穩定 |
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342 |
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345 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
但是這些事業體國營是要穩得住 |
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345 |
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346 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
撐得住 |
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346 |
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348 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
那沒關係 那那個 |
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348 |
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350 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
在台電的員工啊 |
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350 |
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353 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
其實在一直以來在許多的風災也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
353 |
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356 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
各式的災情搶修其實是非常辛苦的 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
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357 |
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是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
那也想要問一下 |
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361 |
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他們的表現應該是可圈可點非常的 |
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361 |
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364 |
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所以台電的各項的活動慶典 |
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364 |
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367 |
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紀念日、80週年等等 |
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367 |
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369 |
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甚至這一次的聯合集團結婚 |
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369 |
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371 |
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我都主動爭取要去參加 |
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371 |
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374 |
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那你會不會同意幫他們主動加薪 |
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374 |
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377 |
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加薪會用我們軍公教人員的加薪 |
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377 |
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380 |
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來應用到台電的相當的比例 |
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380 |
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382 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
但因為國營世界跟軍公教人員 |
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382 |
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383 |
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到底不同 |
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383 |
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384 |
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台電會支持加薪嗎 |
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384 |
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387 |
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我會支持合理的薪資調整 |
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387 |
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389 |
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OK 那部長會送給院長嗎 |
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389 |
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390 |
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會 |
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390 |
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393 |
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OK 那所以說就謝謝部長 |
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393 |
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394 |
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還有謝謝院長 |
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394 |
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396 |
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為我們辛苦的台電的同仁 |
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396 |
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397 |
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好 謝謝委員的支持 |
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397 |
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398 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
為他們加薪 |
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398 |
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401 |
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好 那接著我要請教 |
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401 |
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403 |
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就是在這個 |
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403 |
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405 |
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我過去是海龍挖兵 |
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405 |
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406 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
冰天雪地越海人 |
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406 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
408 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
金濤駭浪駕輕舟 |
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408 |
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410 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
敵人心驚又膽寒 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
410 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
令我挖兵危宁洋 |
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412 |
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415 |
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這是我們海龍挖兵打樹的文字 |
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415 |
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418 |
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但是在那時候的海龍挖兵在 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
418 |
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419 |
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受訓也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
419 |
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420 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
我們的精神 |
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420 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
422 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
當然是願意為國家犧牲奉獻 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
422 |
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424 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
不讓國人受到一點傷害 |
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424 |
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427 |
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但是看到最近媒體報導 |
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427 |
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430 |
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都跟當初所受的訓練的概念上 |
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430 |
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431 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
都完全不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
所以我們要請教這個軍民區隔 |
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433 |
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434 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
到底存不存在 |
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434 |
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436 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
也想要同時請教 |
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436 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
包含國防部長跟內政部長 |
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438 |
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441 |
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那在報導中的話可以看到 |
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441 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
海軍陸戰隊的兩棲偵測大隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
留置作戰 |
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444 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
要人員去識別化的偽裝 |
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446 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
448 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
陸軍編列14.4億 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
448 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
要採購車裝飛彈裝置 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
以外觀普通的貨車來搭載 |
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453 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
AGA-114反裝甲飛彈 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
以及報導指稱將故宮 |
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457 |
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459 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
還有剛才所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
國家兒童未來管車站 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
台北車站等民用跟公共設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
463 |
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466 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
列入暫時備援的一個場子評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
466 |
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468 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
那想要先請教一下內政部長 |
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468 |
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470 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
報導說把故宮 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
470 |
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472 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
國家兒童未來管台北車站 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
472 |
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476 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
民用跟公共設施列入暫時的備援場子評估 |
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476 |
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478 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
到底有沒有這樣的評估或報告 |
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478 |
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482 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
報告委員目前為止我想這個都不是一個正確的訊息 |
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482 |
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486 |
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應該是說我們在盤點有很多避難設施 |
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486 |
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488 |
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在公共設施裡面的避難設施 |
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488 |
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490 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
如果你碰到地震等等的部分 |
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490 |
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491 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
我們當然需要處理 |
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491 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
493 |
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那這都是對一般民眾而言的 |
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493 |
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494 |
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不是所謂的備援 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
494 |
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496 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
或者是暫時的支援重心 |
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496 |
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499 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
那所以說在防災的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
499 |
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501 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
救災的時候災時避難的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
501 |
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503 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
這些都是很合理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
503 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
我們警政署本來就是就民房上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
505 |
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507 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
怎麼樣做避難收容安置的設施 |
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507 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
本來就是跟很多公共設施需要做結合 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
512 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
目前是朝著這個方向在規劃 |
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512 |
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513 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
而且在進行當中 |
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513 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
那所以說這其實也在內政部的評估裡來講 |
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516 |
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519 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
那不管是平常的防救災 |
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519 |
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522 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
或是假如有突發狀況或暫時的時候 |
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522 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
這些也曾經被討論過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
因為我們要收容大致上很多的災民的狀況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
本來就應該考慮有各種不同的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
好那接著請問一下國防部長 |
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533 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
那國防部有針對這些地點場子 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
做過討論或評估嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
我想強化這個暫時的任性 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
是國防部一直以來的一個相關的努力的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
對那把軍事目標變得像民用目標的戰術 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
會不會反而增加平民在一般暫時被誤判波及的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
555 |
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561 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
我們沒有說要將軍事目標轉為民事的 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
我是說暫時的時候會是成為一些據點 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
或是類似到時候動員的一些據點 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
571 |
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573 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
我想跟委員報告 |
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573 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
我們是進行防衛作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
不是進行這個到敵近去進行攻勢作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
所以防衛作戰的一個最重要的目的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
我們要進行一個不對稱的作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
在主場的優勢的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
那我就直接請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
來抵禦這個共軍的侵入 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
讓他的共軍侵入的行動不能成功 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
所以這些地點像是故宮 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
台北車站做成暫時備援的一個地點的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
像是民眾的疏散計畫是否有 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
剛剛我想內政部長已經說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
我沒有在考慮什麼故宮或者是台北車站這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
那相關的這些我們在暫時 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
作為一個備援的一個處所 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
可能你要容我沒有辦法在公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
在這個地方跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
那所以沒關係這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
我覺得有些事情在國防上面還是得保密 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
但是在這些地點的場子的地址討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
跟疏散方案的話是也有被做過評估過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
暫時備援的這些地點場子 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
像是車站故宮兒童醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
這些都有做過討論或推演吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
您剛剛舉的這些地點我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
就我理解並不是一個真實的一個訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
那有沒有做過討論 |
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651 |
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653 |
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因為這個是決定跟討論 |
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653 |
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654 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
這是兩碼子 |
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654 |
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656 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
我的理解如果沒有錯的話 |
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656 |
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659 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
相關有些相關的報導您講的應該是CJUC |
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659 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
就是屬於中央聯合應變中心的一個相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
但是就這個部分不歸我們國防部主責 |
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666 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
但我的了解這也並不是一個正確的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
671 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
好沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
671 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
那如果說在這樣子的討論 |
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674 |
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677 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
跟方向的一個研判跟規劃 |
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677 |
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680 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
那本席還是要再次做提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
680 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
因為任何的一個國際人道法的區別原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
688 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
那其實在軍事目標跟民用物體上是做區隔的 |
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688 |
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690 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
那真正的一個戰爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
693 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
除了是要保護這個等於是防衛安全 |
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693 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
696 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
但是另外一點就是要保衛人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
696 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
不能說騙得過敵軍一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
但是卻讓一般送貨的貨車送物資的百姓反而風險提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
707 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
那所以平戰轉換跟進攻跟居民的疏散計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
707 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
710 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
那其實包括在討論上 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
710 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
還是要去思考如何能夠讓民眾更安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
那所以在這個的整個的一個討論跟規劃上 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
還是要保護平民為最大目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
722 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
722 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
我想軍民整合在演練的目的就是在面臨這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
如果萬一有緊急狀態的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
如何確保這個民眾的一個安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
跟讓我們能夠順利的遂行我們的防衛作戰任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
這樣同時能夠兼顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
我想這個就是我們的一個目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
不過我要跟委員澄清一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
如果是颱風啦水災啦等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
750 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
我們中央應變中心是大家所知道的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
750 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
752 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
但如果不是這些災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
752 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
754 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
是一些人為的特殊的災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
754 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
那我們的應變中心CJEOC到底在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
倒不是我們這裡可以來公開討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
763 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
我們既然要維持CJEOC本身的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
763 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
766 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
就不會把它跟民眾的安全有妨礙的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
766 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
把它放在明顯的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
所以我們是在另外一種考量底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
而不是用現在的觀念來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
775 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
好OK謝謝院長的一個澄清說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
775 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
778 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
那內政部長謝謝OK |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
778 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
那接著請問一下院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
那就是在目前先講這個毒品獨價的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
790 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
美沙東幹淨真區這醫療減害措施今天不可回談 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
790 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
但是想要問一下行政院目前對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
795 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
毒品政策的界線在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
795 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
減害跟儲存化的界線在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
醫療戒制跟毒品正常化的界線又在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
那想請院長回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
806 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
我們在獨價的防治上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
806 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
我們先前經過多次的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
我們從各個面向找出了14項左右的一些措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
816 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
我們從源頭管制等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
816 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
我們有相當多的一些面向來處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
那這個就是依照這樣的處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
現在我們從各個數字看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
829 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
整個案件數以及案件的造勢率都有在下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
829 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
830 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
都有在控制當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
830 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
832 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
好那本席再問仔細一點好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
832 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
837 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
行政院會不會可不可以不支持毒品除罪化 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
837 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
839 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
還是會支持毒品除罪化 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
839 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
841 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
毒品不可以除罪化 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
841 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
842 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
對阿沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
842 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
844 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
所以如果不支持的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
844 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
847 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
那希望院長能夠把政府的底線講得更清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
847 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
851 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
那幫助成癮者藉隱治療降低傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
851 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
853 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
能不能因為減害兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
853 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
858 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
變得讓民眾取得毒品更容易或是被合理化 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
858 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
862 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
但是這是國際上已經實證相當長一段時間的 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
862 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
864 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
幫助吸食毒品的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
864 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
866 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
不把它純粹當作犯罪的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
866 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
870 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
而當作一個必須用治療的行為讓他介隱 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
870 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
872 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
或是用各種的方式讓他減害 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
872 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
874 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
那這是國際上認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
874 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
875 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
我們也行之多年 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
875 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
878 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
在任何執政黨執政的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
878 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
880 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
都用這樣的方式在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
880 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
884 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
那這個有降低所有風險的事實印證存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
884 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
886 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
但是現在來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
886 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
888 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
社會上面來講毒品的氾濫 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
888 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
891 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
應該院長是認為是更嚴重沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
891 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
893 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
新興毒品越來越多 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
893 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
898 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
所以我們才有針對毒品的各項面向及措施來因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
898 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
902 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
那這個跟介隱或是減害的作用 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
902 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
905 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
它可以同時在不同的範疇裡面去存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
905 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
907 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
也因為介隱跟除害 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
907 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
910 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
事實上幫助了很多有毒品的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
910 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
912 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
進到這樣的一個處遇過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
912 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
915 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
對他本身能夠在從事正當的生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
915 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
918 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
生活、家庭、工作是有幫助的 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
918 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
921 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
民眾他比較會希望或家長他比較希望的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
921 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
924 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
毒品如何不要進入校園不要進入社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
924 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
927 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
而不是在於變得是如何放寬一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
927 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
931 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
所以說行政院是否可以明確反對毒品正常化 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
931 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
933 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
毒品不可以正常化 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
933 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
935 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
而且要加強對毒品的行者 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
935 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
940 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
那是否會反對任何可能降低青少年毒品危害認知的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
940 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
942 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
不會反對嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
943 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
948 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
因為任何的毒品政策都應該以今天不要危害社區 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
948 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
不要造成公共安全風險為基本的確加沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
954 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
我們希望校園都是無毒無害的 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
954 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
956 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
也希望家庭無毒無害 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
956 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
958 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
所以必須家庭、社區、學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
958 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
961 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
以及政府跟民間各種團體一起來合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
961 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
967 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
好那本席要直接再接著問一下國防部長一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
967 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
969 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
那部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
969 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
972 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
在這裡剛好有個機會可以讓你針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
972 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
977 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
之前施用毒品者醫療潛質化的部分表達一下立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
979 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
982 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
二手在當任立法委員的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
982 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
984 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
施用毒品者醫療潛質化 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
984 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
987 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
這個部分就是毒品零容忍 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
987 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
990 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
毒品不能合法化這你是支持吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
990 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
992 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
跟委員報告我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
992 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
995 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
毒品的這個相關的政策就我的理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
995 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
999 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
現在正在這個台北市政府所進行的這些相關的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
999 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
1003 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
都跟如果您要問我在立委當時的一個政策的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
1003 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
1004 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
我想這個都是相符的 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
1004 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
1011 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
也就是說毒品的當然有所中在用替代的療法來進行幫他進行切治 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
1011 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
1013 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
這才是根本的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
1013 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
1017 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
所以你也會反對社區中心提供毒品給吸毒者吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
1017 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
1020 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
不是這個台北市政府就我的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
1020 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
1022 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
我想我現在是光復 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
1022 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
1025 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
您這樣子問我有點難 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
1025 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
1030 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
我只能夠說我所有相關的這個毒品的戒指的一個政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
1030 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
1036 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
都跟現在台北市政府正在進行的政策的跟座位其實是相符的 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
1036 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
1039 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
所以社區中心不應該提供毒品給吸毒者 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
1039 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
1042 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
報告委員台北市現在有34個社區藥局 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
1042 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
1044 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
是在提供這種減害措施的 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
1044 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
1046 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
也有3個醫院的院區 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
1046 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
1047 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
藥局不是毒品 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
1048 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
1051 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
這邊在台灣有人提出社區藥設置一個中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
1051 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
1056 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
提供毒品吸食用具以及政府人員在旁邊監督吸食 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
1056 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
1058 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
那這種毒行之間應該是反對吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
1059 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
1061 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
如果是美沙東他必須在社區藥局 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
1061 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
1062 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
不是美沙東 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
1062 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
1066 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
今天來講那個在上面資料所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
1066 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
1068 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
他講的就不是美沙東 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
1068 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
1070 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
那是什麼沒有提供美沙東 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
1070 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
1071 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
1074 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
1075 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
所以這個不分原尚 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
1075 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
1077 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
院長是覺得不宜 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
1082 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
1083 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
我必須要坦白講 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
1083 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
1084 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
1084 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
1086 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
毒品凝膿忍 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
1086 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
1088 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
他在毒品也不能處罪化 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
1088 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
1090 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
社區中心也不能夠放置毒品 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
1090 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
1095 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
不管是在剛才所提到的國際上是不是認為有效管理的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
1095 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
1097 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
能夠降低這個社會風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
1097 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
1100 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
但是其實民眾跟家長擔心的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
1100 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
1103 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
如果現在來講提出的是毒品要放在社區 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
1103 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
1106 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
來做這些又扯上毒品等於藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
1106 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
1109 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
那個其實會把整個社會再下一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
1109 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
1111 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
在社區要發放毒品 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
1111 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
1114 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
而是社區中心如果它是一個社區藥局 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
1114 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
1118 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
或是有醫護人員的一個什麼樣的形態的中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
1118 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
1121 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
他要行這個動作是在減害 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
1121 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
1124 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
幫助這個有毒癮的人降低他的受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
1124 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
1128 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
所以說社區中心絕對不是在減害就是了 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
1128 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
1130 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
它是一個減害的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
1130 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
1133 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
那我坦白講這個部分對於毒品凝膿忍 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
1133 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
1135 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
跟大家的擔憂 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
1135 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
1137 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
那現在台北市就這樣在做啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
1137 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
1140 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
那我坦白講因為毒品不是藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
1140 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
1143 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
那今天所討論的這個部分不是美沙東 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
1143 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
1144 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
那是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
1144 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
1148 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
那個包括目前來講張景申他不是也提到包括大馬嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
1148 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
1150 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
好沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
1150 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
1153 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
這個部分我剛才原本是要讓部長來 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
1153 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
1156 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
針對過去的部分來表達一下立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
1156 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
1158 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
我們請衛生部來說明一下有沒有提供其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
1158 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
1159 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
委員我想再 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
1159 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
1160 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
1160 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
1163 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
我是主責的部會應該是就我主責的部會來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
1163 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
1165 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
沒關係因為那是你過去的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
1165 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
1170 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
如果那這樣的話那我就變成委員跟委員來對談辯論 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
1170 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
1172 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
所以說換了位置的說法就不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
1172 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
1173 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
1173 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
1174 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
好來沒關係啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
1174 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
1175 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
不是我只是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
1175 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
1176 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
我剛剛已經也說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
1176 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
1179 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
這個議題你也說明了這就是你的答案啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
1179 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
1181 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
好部長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
1181 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
1185 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
那我想說接著交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
1186 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
1187 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
麻煩請教育部長備選 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
1187 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
1188 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
交通部交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
1188 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
1190 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
跟交通部長備選 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
1198 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
1202 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
那剛才的一題我們還是堅決反對在社區中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
1202 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
1203 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
有毒品的這個風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
1203 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
1206 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
但是換個輕鬆一點的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
1206 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
1210 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
我們交通部陳時凱部長其實非常用心也幫南投許多 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
1210 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
1213 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
那針對高鐵的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
1213 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
1216 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
在上個月的時候我在搭乘高鐵的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
1216 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
1219 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
看到這個有的爸爸媽媽帶著小孩 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
1219 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
1221 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
還在乘坐的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
1221 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
1223 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
因為小孩子都會發出一些聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
1223 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
1228 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
所以到最後變成了一下子他們的一個帳務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
1228 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
1232 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
還請這個媽媽讓小孩不要胡鬧 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
1232 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
1234 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
一方面的話到最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
1234 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
1238 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
又請他是不是可以把小孩是不是先帶到外面去 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
1238 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
1241 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
那之後離開的乘客 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
1241 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
1245 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
還有人對這個家長他們表達側目 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
1245 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
1247 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
還甚至罵了一句 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
1247 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
1251 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
那這個感覺起來就非常讓人難過 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
1251 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
1256 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
那我在想一些比較溫馨的但是對社會有幫助就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
1256 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
1257 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
高鐵的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
1257 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
1261 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
有沒有可能針對這個親子車廂 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
1261 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
1265 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
或是家庭區能夠比照德國或奧地利 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
1265 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
1267 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
來做一個設置 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
1267 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
1269 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
因為寧靜區跟親子區 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
1269 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
1272 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
它不應該是分開的平行線 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
1272 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
1275 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
那它有可能在其他國家也都做到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
1275 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
1278 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
它是可以在部分車廂或部分區域 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
1278 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
1281 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
來設置在高鐵有這個親子區 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
1281 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
1284 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
或者是讓小朋友能夠在那個城市 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
1284 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
1287 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
在當初訂票的時候就可以做選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
1287 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
1290 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
那想問一下部長對於這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
1290 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
1293 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
是不是可以在今年或明年 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
1293 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
1296 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
把這個部分能夠來協助這個親子完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
1296 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
1299 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
那甚至如果這個是正向的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
1299 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
1301 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
院長是不是可以表達支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
1301 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
1303 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
像委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
1303 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
1305 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
態度上當然我很支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
1305 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
1307 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
因為我們家也有三個小朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
1307 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
1311 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
那確實親子區是一個很進步國家大家的一個顯現 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
1311 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
1315 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
那不過現在高鐵有遇到一個問題就是說車廂相當的擁擠 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
1315 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
1317 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
在相當擁擠的狀況底下有沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
1317 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
1319 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
去規劃出一個親子區 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
1319 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
1320 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
這是一個討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
1320 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
1322 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
那另外一個討論其實社會在之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
1322 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
1325 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
寧靜車廂的討論的過程也有講到這一點就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
1325 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
1327 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
如果我們劃這個親子區之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
1327 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
1329 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
小朋友如果到了其他的區域 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
1329 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
1333 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
會不會變成其他的旅客不開心 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
1333 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
1335 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
會不會有這個問題其實我們也正在討論當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
1335 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
1339 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
那其實應該要整個社會大家對親子要是友善 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
1339 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
1340 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
對小朋友要是友善 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
1340 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
1343 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
這是一個很重要的文明的一個態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
1343 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
1346 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
那我們也跟高鐵公司其實有討論過這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
1346 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
1350 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
我們希望說未來在真正我們的空間有餘裕的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
1350 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
1354 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
像台鐵現在有一些車廂其實就是比較親子化的車廂 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
1354 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
1356 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
它也有一些餘裕的空間可以這麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
1356 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
1358 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
那高鐵目前是比較擁擠 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
1358 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
1360 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
我們希望說未來新的車子進來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
1360 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
1362 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
有餘裕的空間的時候是不是可以朝向這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
1362 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
1364 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
我覺得這是很好的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
1364 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
1366 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
也值得討論也值得研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
1366 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
1371 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
那有沒有可能在未來在今年底車廂進來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
1371 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
1373 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
能夠有一個試行計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
1373 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
1375 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
不管是在部分的車次 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
1375 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
1380 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
或者是在可能某一節像第一節或是中間的車廂 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
1380 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
1383 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
有沒有可能往這方向來辦理一個計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
1383 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
1385 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
像委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
1385 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
1387 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
我們趕快來去跟高鐵來討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
1387 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
1389 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
到時候他車 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
1389 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
1391 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
新的車上線之後他是陸續上線 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
1391 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
1394 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
那到什麼時候他的餘裕空間足夠的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
1394 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
1395 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
我們就趕快來示範 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
1395 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
1398 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
我覺得這是很值得示範的一個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
1398 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
1401 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
那是不是也讓院長來宣示一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
1401 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
1405 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
我是認為如果車廂將來比較餘裕的來供應 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
1405 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
1410 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
在非常擁擠的尖峰時段的部分的班次 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
1410 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
1411 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
裡面的特定車廂 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
1411 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
1415 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
到時候可以有一個可行性的一些評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
1415 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
1417 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
好那就是來做一個示範 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
1417 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
1421 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
應該是在年底的話是不是有個方案來試試看 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
1421 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
1423 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
我們跟高鐵來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
1423 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
1425 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
好那我們高鐵來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
1425 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
1427 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
好那部長您的答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
1427 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
1428 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
OK謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
1428 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
1430 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
好那有請農業部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
1430 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
1432 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
那請農業部長備選 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
1437 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
1439 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
那謝謝農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
1439 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
1443 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
那我在這裡也為我們南投的茶農來請命一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
1443 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
1445 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
那在過去的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
1445 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
1449 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
我們跟博華許縣長縣府團隊跟蔡總之議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
1449 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
1452 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
曾經針對南投的茶青民間鄉 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
1452 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
1455 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
來做一些問題的提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
1455 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
1459 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
包括那時候在2025年茶青價格已經是30塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
1459 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
1463 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
可是在今年的話已經快速腰斬到甚至到13塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
1463 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
1468 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
那時候縣府有把地方走轉上去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
1468 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
1471 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
一個442萬的經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
1471 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
1473 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
還需要能夠來做一個補貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
1473 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
1476 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
那這個是當然先製標 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
1476 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
1480 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
那這個部分是不是部長這邊也可以表達支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
1480 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
1482 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
我先跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
1482 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
1485 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
今年特別在南投這邊的茶價比較低 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
1485 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
1488 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
最主要是因為豪雨的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
1488 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
1491 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
所造成的一些品質這是第一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
1491 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
1495 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
第二個部分就是現在的茶商本身的庫存還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
1495 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
1499 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
所以導致說他在收購的時候價格會壓低 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
1499 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
1500 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
就承容你說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
1500 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
1502 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
本來是大概每台金25、6塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
1502 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
1505 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
現在已經降到15塊左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
1505 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
1510 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
所以我們就即時的啟動了相關的所謂的穩價的一個措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
1510 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
1512 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
那穩價的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
1512 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
1516 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
很多人都認為說這些錢這些補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
1516 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
1518 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
需要給茶農還是茶商 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
1518 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
1520 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
還是全部給茶農 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
1520 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
1521 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
1521 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
1523 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
我們在處理穩價措施的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
1523 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
1528 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
當然給茶農表示說他可能獲得一些補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
1528 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
1532 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
但是如果沒有辦法讓茶商進場去買的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
1532 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
1534 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
那個價格會壓得更低 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
1534 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
1536 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
這是我們過去的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
1536 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
1539 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
所以我們一定會找到一個對產業有幫助 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
1539 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
1542 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
對農民有幫助的一個穩價措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
1542 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
1544 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
好那所以說這個補貼來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
1544 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
1549 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
目前農業部這邊是正向支持也通過核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
1549 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
1550 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
我們是支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
1550 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
1555 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
然後由那個公所這邊他提報以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
1555 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
1558 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
透過縣府提報以後我們會做核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
1558 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
1559 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
1559 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
1561 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
那另外一頭還是要補充一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
1561 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
1563 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
那關鍵還是在於銷 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
1563 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
1566 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
因為茶農他們怕學本無歸 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
1566 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
1568 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
那以前的茶商他們的通路 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
1568 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
1571 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
跟現在來講他們反而囤貨之後不收購 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
1571 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
1575 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
造成茶農他們現在是非常的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
1575 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
1578 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
那所以說還是要拜託農業部這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
1578 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
1580 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
能夠找出一些外銷的管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
1580 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
1582 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
來協助茶業的外銷 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
1582 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
1585 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
那最後就是南投茶業博覽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
1585 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
1588 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
在這個禮拜到10月11號 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
1588 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
1591 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
那在這邊也邀請院長跟部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
1591 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
1594 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
可以一起來關心南投茶業 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
1594 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
1596 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
一起來行銷南投好茶 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
1596 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
1598 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
我跟委員報告我明天就會下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
1598 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
1599 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
1599 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
1600 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
明天我就會下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
1600 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
1602 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
因為最主要的就像您說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
1602 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
1606 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
就是怎麼樣讓我們的外銷的通路能夠順暢 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
1606 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
1608 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
這是我們大家一起努力的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
1608 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
1609 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
1609 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
1612 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
那最後要請教一下院長 |
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那還是要請部長陪一下 |
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就是在去年7月11號的時候 |
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左院長你在丹那市颱風來南投勘災 |
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1622 |
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那時候我跟許主委縣長有向您反應 |
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1622 |
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1625 |
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許多農民在台大實驗林耕作的時候 |
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1625 |
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1628 |
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礙於法令跟照林地使用限制 |
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1628 |
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1631 |
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農民都沒有辦法申請到農業的天然災害 |
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1631 |
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1634 |
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那時候你有承諾會協助 |
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那這個老議題啊 |
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1638 |
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其實從許主委縣長丹的立委 |
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1638 |
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1641 |
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像林全院長 賴清德院長 蘇貞昌院長 |
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1641 |
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1643 |
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諮詢時的時候都有提到 |
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1643 |
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1646 |
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你是在中間經歷了第四位的行政院長 |
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1648 |
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那想要直接請教你 |
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1648 |
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1651 |
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那目前來講協助的進度如何 |
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1651 |
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1653 |
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因為他跨越許多的機關 |
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1653 |
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1657 |
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包括原民會 包括國產署 包括台大實驗林 |
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1657 |
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1660 |
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那這個部分到底現在的進度 |
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1660 |
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1663 |
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如何能夠讓民眾他們頂得到 |
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1665 |
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請陳部長來說明 |
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1665 |
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1667 |
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這個部分我們已經解開他的一些限制了 |
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1667 |
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1668 |
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我跟委員報告 |
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1668 |
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1670 |
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就是上次在去年度的時候 |
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1670 |
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1672 |
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有很多委員質詢的時候 |
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1672 |
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1675 |
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那院長當場就要求我們來做這樣的一個 |
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1675 |
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1677 |
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最適當的一個處理 |
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1677 |
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1678 |
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那我也跟委員報告 |
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1678 |
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1680 |
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我們針對台大林場這個部分已經解開了 |
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1680 |
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1683 |
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只要他在林地裡面本身 |
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1683 |
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1687 |
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他維持至少30%的林木的情況之下 |
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1687 |
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1692 |
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那70%的這些果樹類的農作物 |
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1692 |
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1694 |
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一律都可以得到天然代替救助 |
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1694 |
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1696 |
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這個已經啟動了 |
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1696 |
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1698 |
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好 那這個是前階段 |
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1698 |
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1699 |
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那另外的話 |
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1699 |
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1701 |
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森林塔81條的一個條文 |
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1701 |
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1706 |
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那時候建議在政府在代管土地單位的這些機關 |
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1706 |
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1708 |
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那標準要做到一致 |
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1708 |
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1711 |
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那賴清哲總統那時候擔任行政院的時候 |
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1711 |
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1713 |
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許淑華縣長擔任立委總執行的時候 |
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1713 |
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1715 |
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有曾經討論這個相關單位 |
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1715 |
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1718 |
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這個相關單位應該拉到跟國參署的標準規定 |
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1718 |
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1721 |
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以致就是82年7月21號開始 |
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1721 |
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1724 |
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那所以賴清哲院長那時候有做過幾個承諾 |
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1724 |
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1727 |
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包括第一還沒有完全承諾的契約 |
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1727 |
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1729 |
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在不違反的情況底下 |
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1729 |
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1732 |
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需要符合契約能夠繼續承諾 |
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1732 |
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1735 |
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那在原鄉裡面有許多百姓受到訴訟的時候 |
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1735 |
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1737 |
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政府因為越修越嚴格 |
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1737 |
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1739 |
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管理的要點一直在改變 |
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1739 |
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1741 |
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那所以說那時候有聽到說 |
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1741 |
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1744 |
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訴訟案件的話先行暫緩 |
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1744 |
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1748 |
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但是因為到時候賴院長就轉做其他跑道 |
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1748 |
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1752 |
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所以說因為目前現在許多的農民不斷的受到追討訴訟 |
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1752 |
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1754 |
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那請問一下院長 |
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1754 |
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1758 |
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有沒有可能維持當初賴清哲院長這時候的兩個原則 |
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1759 |
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1761 |
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我先跟委員報告一下 |
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1761 |
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1764 |
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就是您剛才所提到的國參署的82年7月21號 |
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1764 |
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1769 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
跟我們之前在做讓稅盤差的58年5月27號之間 |
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1769 |
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1771 |
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那事實上已經解決了三分之二 |
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1771 |
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1777 |
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我講的三分之二就是在第一次非督公告之前的所有的案件 |
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1777 |
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1782 |
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都可以用更正編遞的方式去處理 |
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1782 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
1784 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
那現在要處理的方式 |
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1784 |
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1787 |
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民國75年到82年之間的部分 |
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1787 |
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1791 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
那我們已經跟財政部國土署那邊有多次的討論 |
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1791 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
1794 |
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那農業部會提一個專案計畫的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
1794 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
1798 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
去做有系統的去輔導他做那個變更編定 |
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1799 |
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1802 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
因為那時候的農民他們並不知道這些公告 |
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1802 |
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1805 |
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說他們原本跟做土地突然就變成台大實驗嶺 |
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1805 |
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1808 |
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那最後的30秒是不是請院長這邊 |
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1808 |
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1810 |
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是不是能夠支持剛才部長所說的部分 |
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1810 |
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1816 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
來讓他們這個82年7月21號這些農民能夠盡快的完成這個土地的權益 |
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1816 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
1821 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
農業部已經就委員事先所垂尋關心的台大實驗嶺的部分 |
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1821 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
1824 |
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已經解開了他剛剛說報告的這個內容 |
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1824 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
1827 |
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至於你還說後面有過去訴訟等等的議題 |
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1827 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
1829 |
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我想再請農業部來解決 |
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1829 |
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1832 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
一般要解決的話就讓他能夠依照 |