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張宏陸 @ 第11屆第6會期第2次會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:15,240 | 來 我先請交通部長 |
| 00:00:15,240 | 00:00:17,520 | 來 請交通部長備詢 |
| 00:00:17,520 | 00:00:29,920 | 委員好 |
| 00:00:29,920 | 00:00:31,240 | 來 陳部長 |
| 00:00:31,240 | 00:00:34,960 | 其實我已經質詢這個議題好幾次了 |
| 00:00:34,960 | 00:00:38,640 | 就是我們的靜老塔 |
| 00:00:38,640 | 00:00:39,960 | 這個高鐵 |
| 00:00:39,960 | 00:00:43,560 | 它能不能搭高鐵 |
| 00:00:43,560 | 00:00:45,600 | 這個我相信上次你也 |
| 00:00:45,600 | 00:00:46,960 | 我有質詢過了 |
| 00:00:46,960 | 00:00:48,480 | 對 沒錯 |
| 00:00:48,480 | 00:00:49,880 | 進度到底如何 |
| 00:00:49,880 | 00:00:51,360 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:00:51,360 | 00:00:53,000 | 您關心的不只是高鐵 |
| 00:00:53,000 | 00:00:54,720 | 其實台鐵你也蠻關心的 |
| 00:00:54,720 | 00:00:55,720 | 台鐵已經完成了 |
| 00:00:55,720 | 00:00:58,000 | 台鐵我們步一步完成 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:00:59,440 | 現在已經完成了 |
| 00:00:59,440 | 00:01:00,640 | 那高鐵的部分是這樣 |
| 00:01:00,640 | 00:01:04,160 | 因為高鐵它的這個票價相對是比較高的 |
| 00:01:04,160 | 00:01:08,840 | 所以他們現在開放的都是可自動儲值的這個票卡 |
| 00:01:08,840 | 00:01:09,760 | 他們才有辦法來說 |
| 00:01:09,760 | 00:01:12,240 | 因為有時候如果是單一卡 |
| 00:01:12,240 | 00:01:14,280 | 如果假使裡面只有一千塊 |
| 00:01:14,280 | 00:01:16,400 | 有時候會超過那個價值的時候 |
| 00:01:16,400 | 00:01:18,000 | 他可能就不能用 |
| 00:01:18,000 | 00:01:20,280 | 所以目前是開放到這種程度 |
| 00:01:20,280 | 00:01:24,760 | 你可能還沒有年紀大到可以用靜老卡 |
| 00:01:24,760 | 00:01:26,760 | 靜老卡也是可以儲值的 |
| 00:01:26,760 | 00:01:30,120 | 如果他也是可以儲值的 |
| 00:01:30,120 | 00:01:32,400 | 其實我們跟您上次質詢完之後 |
| 00:01:32,400 | 00:01:34,400 | 我們有跟高鐵公司有開過會 |
| 00:01:34,400 | 00:01:35,960 | 有討論這個議題 |
| 00:01:35,960 | 00:01:37,680 | 那我們會朝向未來 |
| 00:01:37,680 | 00:01:39,160 | 會朝向開放的方向 |
| 00:01:39,160 | 00:01:40,000 | 這個沒有問題 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:43,320 | 但我們目前的運量坦白講是比較緊 |
| 00:01:43,360 | 00:01:46,759 | 所以高鐵公司是希望說明年7月之後 |
| 00:01:46,759 | 00:01:48,720 | 如果是新車上線之後 |
| 00:01:48,720 | 00:01:50,240 | 運量充足的時候 |
| 00:01:50,240 | 00:01:52,600 | 他們會朝這個方向來做 |
| 00:01:52,600 | 00:01:54,759 | 配合委員所質詢的方向 |
| 00:01:54,759 | 00:01:55,800 | 部長 |
| 00:01:55,800 | 00:01:58,280 | 有一個我們先來說 |
| 00:01:58,280 | 00:02:01,720 | 其實各縣市現在靜老卡的點數 |
| 00:02:01,720 | 00:02:04,119 | 每個縣市都增加 |
| 00:02:04,119 | 00:02:05,639 | 都增加了很多 |
| 00:02:05,639 | 00:02:09,160 | 尤其明年有很多新的縣市首長 |
| 00:02:09,160 | 00:02:11,959 | 他們現在政見也都增加了 |
| 00:02:11,959 | 00:02:13,079 | 是 |
| 00:02:13,080 | 00:02:14,280 | 像新北 |
| 00:02:14,280 | 00:02:15,120 | 蘇巧惠 |
| 00:02:15,120 | 00:02:16,560 | 他也是當選的話 |
| 00:02:16,560 | 00:02:18,320 | 將把新北靜老卡 |
| 00:02:18,320 | 00:02:20,520 | 每個月點數提高到一千點 |
| 00:02:20,520 | 00:02:21,040 | 是 |
| 00:02:21,040 | 00:02:21,760 | 對不對 |
| 00:02:21,760 | 00:02:23,880 | 宜蘭 |
| 00:02:23,880 | 00:02:25,120 | 這個林國章 |
| 00:02:25,120 | 00:02:28,080 | 他也說每個月也是一千點 |
| 00:02:28,080 | 00:02:30,960 | 很多縣市都已經是在這樣了 |
| 00:02:30,960 | 00:02:32,720 | 那所以在這樣的情況之下 |
| 00:02:32,720 | 00:02:35,440 | 我們擴大靜老卡點數的用途 |
| 00:02:35,440 | 00:02:38,040 | 其實是勢在必行 |
| 00:02:38,040 | 00:02:41,600 | 那當初為什麼一直推 |
| 00:02:41,640 | 00:02:44,079 | 推台鐵可以搭靜老卡 |
| 00:02:44,079 | 00:02:46,079 | 是我從我們新北 |
| 00:02:46,079 | 00:02:48,440 | 我們的平溪莊溪我看到了 |
| 00:02:48,440 | 00:02:50,400 | 很多老人家 |
| 00:02:50,400 | 00:02:53,280 | 他其實都是坐火車進出的 |
| 00:02:53,280 | 00:02:55,000 | 他是坐火車去看病 |
| 00:02:55,000 | 00:02:57,120 | 坐火車去買東西 |
| 00:02:57,120 | 00:03:00,320 | 我們從那裡看出來有這個需求 |
| 00:03:00,320 | 00:03:02,480 | 那我們也努力了很多年 |
| 00:03:02,480 | 00:03:06,160 | 那台鐵應該比高鐵複雜多吧 |
| 00:03:06,160 | 00:03:08,480 | 對他的票證系統相對複雜 |
| 00:03:08,480 | 00:03:10,040 | 那這個部分已經克服了 |
| 00:03:10,040 | 00:03:10,920 | 那也跟委員報告 |
| 00:03:10,920 | 00:03:13,679 | 高鐵的票證系統不是問題 |
| 00:03:13,679 | 00:03:15,160 | 目前看起來不是問題 |
| 00:03:15,160 | 00:03:16,839 | 而是他的容量的問題 |
| 00:03:16,839 | 00:03:17,880 | 那這個部分 |
| 00:03:17,880 | 00:03:19,600 | 委員我在這邊也跟您承諾 |
| 00:03:19,600 | 00:03:21,480 | 這個方向我們會來做 |
| 00:03:21,480 | 00:03:23,799 | 只是說時間上面的問題 |
| 00:03:23,799 | 00:03:25,799 | 我這樣說 |
| 00:03:25,799 | 00:03:28,200 | 部長你說的我理解 |
| 00:03:28,200 | 00:03:29,640 | 我也知道 |
| 00:03:29,640 | 00:03:33,519 | 但你說的跟我要的不衝突 |
| 00:03:33,519 | 00:03:34,560 | 完全不衝突 |
| 00:03:34,560 | 00:03:35,920 | 我在這邊講劇團天后 |
| 00:03:35,920 | 00:03:37,760 | 我已經質詢了 |
| 00:03:37,760 | 00:03:40,320 | 你當部長我已經質詢了幾次了 |
| 00:03:40,320 | 00:03:42,720 | 那你如果照你這樣子說的話 |
| 00:03:42,720 | 00:03:45,519 | 我們先把它建置完成 |
| 00:03:45,519 | 00:03:48,239 | 你現在就承諾你先建置完成 |
| 00:03:48,239 | 00:03:50,120 | 那你說你等新的車廂到 |
| 00:03:50,120 | 00:03:51,880 | 新的車廂我們再來開放 |
| 00:03:51,880 | 00:03:53,840 | 那難道你要等新的車廂來 |
| 00:03:53,840 | 00:03:55,480 | 你再來建置嗎 |
| 00:03:55,480 | 00:03:58,519 | 你越晚建置是越花越多錢 |
| 00:03:58,519 | 00:04:01,040 | 你們給我的資料 |
| 00:04:01,040 | 00:04:05,320 | 2024年整個硬體費用7000萬 |
| 00:04:05,320 | 00:04:08,560 | 2025年變9400萬 |
| 00:04:08,560 | 00:04:14,640 | 那如果2026要不要變成商議了 |
| 00:04:14,640 | 00:04:17,760 | 早一點做替台灣省那麼多錢 |
| 00:04:17,760 | 00:04:19,959 | 還是說高鐵的錢很多 |
| 00:04:19,959 | 00:04:21,600 | 委員這個建議相當好 |
| 00:04:21,600 | 00:04:24,360 | 如果軟體的部分跟硬體的整合的部分 |
| 00:04:24,360 | 00:04:25,120 | 我們可以先做 |
| 00:04:25,120 | 00:04:26,560 | 我們就先來做 |
| 00:04:26,560 | 00:04:27,360 | 如果這個方向 |
| 00:04:27,360 | 00:04:29,120 | 我們是希望說運量起來的時候 |
| 00:04:29,120 | 00:04:30,320 | 我們就會開放的話 |
| 00:04:30,320 | 00:04:33,920 | 我們的這個票證系統的整合可以先來做 |
| 00:04:33,920 | 00:04:36,080 | 我覺得 |
| 00:04:36,080 | 00:04:38,520 | 跟台鐵是一樣的 |
| 00:04:38,520 | 00:04:41,159 | 台鐵我那時候最後也是要求他 |
| 00:04:41,159 | 00:04:43,799 | 你把硬體做好了 |
| 00:04:43,799 | 00:04:45,560 | 人家各縣市要不要做 |
| 00:04:45,560 | 00:04:47,120 | 人家會找你 |
| 00:04:47,120 | 00:04:49,919 | 現在全台灣哪個縣市 |
| 00:04:49,919 | 00:04:52,320 | 那個進老考不能搭台鐵 |
| 00:04:52,320 | 00:04:55,320 | 你有哪一個縣市不能搭台鐵 |
| 00:04:55,320 | 00:04:56,680 | 我們現在已經有開放了 |
| 00:04:56,680 | 00:04:57,280 | 不是 |
| 00:04:57,280 | 00:04:58,240 | 對我知道 |
| 00:04:58,240 | 00:05:00,240 | 經過我很多的努力嘛 |
| 00:05:00,240 | 00:05:05,880 | 那你說還有哪一個縣市是進老考不能搭台鐵的 |
| 00:05:05,880 | 00:05:07,840 | 我印象中是還有 |
| 00:05:07,840 | 00:05:08,840 | 我印象中是還有 |
| 00:05:08,840 | 00:05:09,679 | 但哪一個縣市 |
| 00:05:09,679 | 00:05:10,840 | 應該沒有了 |
| 00:05:10,840 | 00:05:13,599 | 都可以 |
| 00:05:13,599 | 00:05:16,400 | 只是點數的多少而已 |
| 00:05:16,400 | 00:05:19,560 | 每個縣市開放的點數多少 |
| 00:05:19,560 | 00:05:22,159 | 所以我今天在這邊 |
| 00:05:22,159 | 00:05:25,159 | 真的要跟部長拜託一下 |
| 00:05:25,159 | 00:05:28,640 | 這個我們先把它建置完成 |
| 00:05:28,640 | 00:05:30,880 | 建置跟開放使用 |
| 00:05:30,880 | 00:05:34,320 | 其實中間還是會有時間差 |
| 00:05:34,320 | 00:05:35,039 | 對不對 |
| 00:05:35,039 | 00:05:36,640 | 那能不能在這邊 |
| 00:05:36,640 | 00:05:39,360 | 能不能具體的承諾 |
| 00:05:39,360 | 00:05:43,400 | 到底能不能把它先把它建置好 |
| 00:05:43,400 | 00:05:45,360 | 委員您的建議相當好 |
| 00:05:45,360 | 00:05:46,680 | 那我就朝這個方向 |
| 00:05:46,680 | 00:05:49,960 | 來去跟高鐵公司來協調 |
| 00:05:49,960 | 00:05:51,880 | 請他們先把硬體的部分 |
| 00:05:51,880 | 00:05:53,640 | 還有軟體的整合的部分 |
| 00:05:53,640 | 00:05:55,240 | 把它先做起來 |
| 00:05:55,240 | 00:05:57,440 | 那以便未來我們真正要開放 |
| 00:05:57,440 | 00:05:59,960 | 讓進老卡可以搭成高鐵的時候 |
| 00:05:59,960 | 00:06:02,280 | 可以馬上快速的來上線 |
| 00:06:02,280 | 00:06:04,240 | 那大概要多久時間 |
| 00:06:04,280 | 00:06:06,680 | 這個我需要跟高鐵公司來討論一下 |
| 00:06:06,680 | 00:06:08,880 | 因為實際的工程的時程大概多長 |
| 00:06:08,880 | 00:06:09,560 | 這個我不曉得 |
| 00:06:09,560 | 00:06:10,880 | 我需要跟他們討論一下 |
| 00:06:10,880 | 00:06:12,240 | 好 |
| 00:06:12,240 | 00:06:14,000 | 但我覺得 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 不可能超過一年吧 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:17,240 | 我覺得不會 |
| 00:06:17,240 | 00:06:18,320 | 一定不會吧 |
| 00:06:18,320 | 00:06:20,200 | 我們台鐵之前的經驗 |
| 00:06:20,200 | 00:06:21,320 | 沒有超過一年 |
| 00:06:21,320 | 00:06:23,040 | 所以我認為高鐵的效率 |
| 00:06:23,040 | 00:06:23,920 | 應該也不會超過一年 |
| 00:06:23,920 | 00:06:29,520 | 而且高鐵比台鐵簡單多了 |
| 00:06:29,520 | 00:06:31,400 | 現在很多人 |
| 00:06:31,440 | 00:06:34,479 | 很多長者去買進老票 |
| 00:06:34,479 | 00:06:36,080 | 他也是買啊 |
| 00:06:36,080 | 00:06:36,880 | 對不對 |
| 00:06:36,880 | 00:06:38,640 | 我覺得這個程序啊 |
| 00:06:38,640 | 00:06:39,719 | 差很多 |
| 00:06:39,719 | 00:06:41,400 | 系統也簡單多了 |
| 00:06:41,400 | 00:06:43,719 | 然後台灣號稱AI大國 |
| 00:06:43,719 | 00:06:45,679 | 這個只要想要做 |
| 00:06:45,679 | 00:06:48,919 | 我們當初面對COVID-19的時候 |
| 00:06:48,919 | 00:06:52,479 | 我們行政院幾天就可以寫出來這個 |
| 00:06:52,479 | 00:06:54,599 | 全台灣發口罩的 |
| 00:06:54,599 | 00:06:55,679 | 像這個 |
| 00:06:55,679 | 00:06:57,760 | 我真的我覺得我如果要做 |
| 00:06:57,760 | 00:07:00,200 | 我三個月內就可以把它做好了 |
| 00:07:00,200 | 00:07:01,840 | 這個應該不困難 |
| 00:07:01,840 | 00:07:02,360 | 對 |
| 00:07:02,360 | 00:07:03,159 | 這個應該不困難 |
| 00:07:03,159 | 00:07:04,560 | 所以也跟您報告 |
| 00:07:04,560 | 00:07:05,320 | 這個沒有問題 |
| 00:07:05,320 | 00:07:06,400 | 我們會請他們 |
| 00:07:06,400 | 00:07:07,320 | 如果可以的話 |
| 00:07:07,320 | 00:07:11,520 | 趕快啟動這個硬體跟軟體的票務系統的整合 |
| 00:07:11,520 | 00:07:12,320 | 對 |
| 00:07:12,320 | 00:07:13,360 | 我拜託 |
| 00:07:13,360 | 00:07:14,880 | 就是先把票務系統 |
| 00:07:14,880 | 00:07:16,280 | 你先把它用好 |
| 00:07:16,280 | 00:07:17,440 | 那用好之後 |
| 00:07:17,440 | 00:07:19,400 | 你要開放隨時開放啊 |
| 00:07:19,400 | 00:07:20,280 | 對不對 |
| 00:07:20,280 | 00:07:21,360 | 不然永遠在這邊 |
| 00:07:21,360 | 00:07:22,320 | 你用好了之後 |
| 00:07:22,320 | 00:07:23,440 | 人家各縣市 |
| 00:07:23,440 | 00:07:25,240 | 人家就可以去處理了 |
| 00:07:25,240 | 00:07:27,360 | 他如果願意讓他來做的 |
| 00:07:27,360 | 00:07:28,240 | 人家就可以馬上做了 |
| 00:07:28,240 | 00:07:30,320 | 你必須要各縣市同意 |
| 00:07:30,320 | 00:07:31,520 | 台鐵也是同樣的狀況 |
| 00:07:31,520 | 00:07:33,480 | 因為我們當時花比較多的時間 |
| 00:07:33,480 | 00:07:35,720 | 是跟地方政府的整合 |
| 00:07:35,720 | 00:07:36,920 | 他們要必須同意 |
| 00:07:36,920 | 00:07:39,880 | 那必須把他們的系統也納進來之後才有辦法 |
| 00:07:39,880 | 00:07:40,920 | 我跟你講 |
| 00:07:40,920 | 00:07:43,280 | 各縣市沒有人會不同意的 |
| 00:07:43,280 | 00:07:44,680 | 只要一個縣市有的話 |
| 00:07:44,680 | 00:07:46,120 | 哪個縣市敢不敢 |
| 00:07:46,120 | 00:07:47,560 | 目前看起來大家同意的 |
| 00:07:47,560 | 00:07:48,600 | 都想要 |
| 00:07:48,600 | 00:07:50,360 | 現在大家都想要 |
| 00:07:50,360 | 00:07:52,160 | 所以我只是說 |
| 00:07:52,160 | 00:07:54,600 | 能不能在這邊 |
| 00:07:54,600 | 00:07:56,800 | 能夠具體的說一下 |
| 00:07:56,800 | 00:07:57,960 | 能夠承諾 |
| 00:07:57,960 | 00:07:59,479 | 是不是先把它建置完成 |
| 00:07:59,479 | 00:08:01,039 | 會我們會來做 |
| 00:08:01,039 | 00:08:01,840 | 好我們會來做 |
| 00:08:01,840 | 00:08:02,760 | 這個沒有問題 |
| 00:08:02,760 | 00:08:04,400 | 但我還是要這麼說 |
| 00:08:04,400 | 00:08:06,520 | 我會去跟高鐵公司來溝通 |
| 00:08:06,520 | 00:08:08,120 | 因為畢竟他是上市櫃公司 |
| 00:08:08,120 | 00:08:10,120 | 我不能在這邊下達指令 |
| 00:08:10,120 | 00:08:12,680 | 我會用溝通的方式請他們來協助 |
| 00:08:12,680 | 00:08:14,640 | 我覺得 |
| 00:08:14,640 | 00:08:16,679 | 政府如果要做就做 |
| 00:08:16,679 | 00:08:17,679 | 台鐵 |
| 00:08:17,679 | 00:08:19,560 | 高鐵的董事長誰派的 |
| 00:08:19,560 | 00:08:21,440 | 光谷是最多的吧 |
| 00:08:21,440 | 00:08:22,039 | 台鐵 |
| 00:08:22,039 | 00:08:23,560 | 我說高鐵 |
| 00:08:23,560 | 00:08:24,760 | 高鐵不是 |
| 00:08:24,760 | 00:08:25,640 | 他還是有股票 |
| 00:08:25,640 | 00:08:27,359 | 他還是有股票上市沒有錯 |
| 00:08:27,960 | 00:08:28,520 | 對啊 |
| 00:08:28,520 | 00:08:31,560 | 但我覺得那個不是理由 |
| 00:08:33,000 | 00:08:34,480 | 難道高鐵就不要賺錢 |
| 00:08:34,480 | 00:08:35,880 | 報告報告 |
| 00:08:35,880 | 00:08:36,880 | 我有更多的人 |
| 00:08:36,880 | 00:08:41,200 | 報告委員我相信高鐵也會很歡迎這樣子的政策方向 |
| 00:08:41,200 | 00:08:42,520 | 所以他們一定會答應 |
| 00:08:42,520 | 00:08:43,360 | 我覺得 |
| 00:08:43,360 | 00:08:45,640 | 我覺得 |
| 00:08:45,640 | 00:08:47,480 | 如果他不答應的話 |
| 00:08:47,480 | 00:08:49,360 | 我的脾氣雖然很好 |
| 00:08:49,360 | 00:08:51,000 | 但我也快忍不住了 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:52,320 | 我會跟他們溝通 |
| 00:08:52,320 | 00:08:54,320 | 會讓您繼續脾氣很好 |
| 00:08:54,320 | 00:08:57,040 | 不是我希望能夠具體把它做好 |
| 00:08:57,839 | 00:08:58,680 | 那再來 |
| 00:08:58,680 | 00:09:00,560 | 我也多次質詢 |
| 00:09:00,560 | 00:09:04,360 | 這個我們太阪輕軌關於社後支線的這件事 |
| 00:09:04,360 | 00:09:07,319 | 我相信部長你也很清楚 |
| 00:09:07,319 | 00:09:09,360 | 這個你非常的清楚 |
| 00:09:09,360 | 00:09:12,000 | 其實社後支線 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:14,360 | 之前的交通部 |
| 00:09:14,360 | 00:09:16,160 | 這個在王國材部長的時候 |
| 00:09:16,160 | 00:09:19,599 | 跟地方其實早就有一個共識的版本了 |
| 00:09:19,599 | 00:09:21,439 | 這你應該也非常清楚 |
| 00:09:21,439 | 00:09:22,439 | 那新北市 |
| 00:09:22,439 | 00:09:23,839 | 不知道為什麼一直在拖 |
| 00:09:23,839 | 00:09:26,680 | 然後又弄出了好幾個版本出來 |
| 00:09:26,680 | 00:09:28,079 | 就是在拖 |
| 00:09:28,079 | 00:09:29,640 | 那他們現在 |
| 00:09:29,640 | 00:09:34,120 | 又報了他們的計畫上來了 |
| 00:09:34,120 | 00:09:35,280 | 可行性研究的修正 |
| 00:09:35,280 | 00:09:35,760 | 對嘛 |
| 00:09:35,760 | 00:09:36,599 | 可行性研究的修正 |
| 00:09:36,599 | 00:09:37,560 | 有報上來了 |
| 00:09:37,560 | 00:09:38,359 | 對不對 |
| 00:09:38,359 | 00:09:40,319 | 那他還是有很多 |
| 00:09:40,319 | 00:09:45,760 | 那沒有針對之前交通部跟他們講的這一個方案 |
| 00:09:45,760 | 00:09:47,079 | 有共識的方案 |
| 00:09:47,079 | 00:09:49,760 | 他還是要留 |
| 00:09:49,760 | 00:09:51,880 | 未來新建 |
| 00:09:51,880 | 00:09:55,240 | 他覺得是未來新建 |
| 00:09:55,280 | 00:09:57,280 | 那其實我覺得 |
| 00:09:57,280 | 00:10:01,080 | 部長你應該也非常非常的清楚 |
| 00:10:01,080 | 00:10:02,320 | 預留到查 |
| 00:10:02,320 | 00:10:03,960 | 未來再建什麼的 |
| 00:10:03,960 | 00:10:07,440 | 就是表示需要建 |
| 00:10:07,440 | 00:10:10,000 | 那他是因為有一些原因 |
| 00:10:10,000 | 00:10:11,640 | 我也不想講 |
| 00:10:11,640 | 00:10:12,840 | 所以在拖 |
| 00:10:12,840 | 00:10:13,880 | 那我覺得 |
| 00:10:13,880 | 00:10:17,680 | 我在這邊要拜託部長 |
| 00:10:17,680 | 00:10:18,720 | 就他的這個 |
| 00:10:18,720 | 00:10:22,640 | 我們能夠明確告訴他 |
| 00:10:22,680 | 00:10:27,000 | 就是照之前跟交通部有共識的版本 |
| 00:10:27,000 | 00:10:29,360 | 然後你就這樣報上來 |
| 00:10:29,360 | 00:10:32,800 | 請他們不要在這邊弄了好幾個方案 |
| 00:10:32,800 | 00:10:34,040 | 就照這個方案 |
| 00:10:34,040 | 00:10:36,400 | 而且當初 |
| 00:10:36,400 | 00:10:38,680 | 王國材部長也有說 |
| 00:10:38,680 | 00:10:40,600 | 他照這個報上來 |
| 00:10:40,600 | 00:10:42,400 | 就要核准 |
| 00:10:42,400 | 00:10:43,840 | 就會核准 |
| 00:10:43,840 | 00:10:45,800 | 中央的錢已經準備好了 |
| 00:10:45,800 | 00:10:48,080 | 我們能不能夠跟新北市政府 |
| 00:10:48,080 | 00:10:49,480 | 白紙黑字 |
| 00:10:49,480 | 00:10:50,920 | 他這個 |
| 00:10:50,920 | 00:10:52,480 | 就給他回這樣的公文 |
| 00:10:52,520 | 00:10:55,240 | 請他不要在這邊再有模糊的空間 |
| 00:10:55,240 | 00:10:56,960 | 為了地方的發展 |
| 00:10:56,960 | 00:10:59,000 | 我覺得這是應該做的 |
| 00:10:59,000 | 00:11:01,240 | 是我們其實在之前跟新北市政府 |
| 00:11:01,240 | 00:11:02,400 | 在溝通的過程 |
| 00:11:02,400 | 00:11:04,640 | 也是朝這個方向在溝通 |
| 00:11:04,640 | 00:11:07,520 | 那我們整個修正的計畫 |
| 00:11:07,520 | 00:11:09,800 | 裡面我們回覆他們的韓文裡面 |
| 00:11:09,800 | 00:11:11,640 | 其實也都有提到這個部分 |
| 00:11:11,640 | 00:11:12,760 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:11:12,760 | 00:11:14,840 | 那目前他寫過來的 |
| 00:11:14,840 | 00:11:16,120 | 還是寫說 |
| 00:11:16,120 | 00:11:18,120 | 保留到查 |
| 00:11:18,120 | 00:11:21,320 | 也就是說未來新建的可能性 |
| 00:11:21,360 | 00:11:23,360 | 目前他是只有寫到這邊 |
| 00:11:24,360 | 00:11:24,920 | 對啦 |
| 00:11:24,920 | 00:11:26,520 | 所以我希望你們白紙黑字 |
| 00:11:26,520 | 00:11:28,520 | 能夠把它寫清楚 |
| 00:11:28,520 | 00:11:30,360 | 回到文寫清楚 |
| 00:11:30,360 | 00:11:32,240 | 我們來溝通 |
| 00:11:32,240 | 00:11:33,520 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:11:33,520 | 00:11:35,520 | 那我再請一下文化部長 |
| 00:11:36,840 | 00:11:37,840 | 對不起 |
| 00:11:37,840 | 00:11:39,200 | 三位文化部長 |
| 00:11:39,200 | 00:11:41,200 | 麻煩請文化部長備詢 |
| 00:11:47,440 | 00:11:48,120 | 部長 |
| 00:11:48,120 | 00:11:48,760 | 委員好 |
| 00:11:48,760 | 00:11:50,760 | 我們在板橋的國家兒童未來館 |
| 00:11:50,760 | 00:11:52,760 | 目前新辦的進度如何 |
| 00:11:53,760 | 00:11:55,760 | 感謝委員的關心跟協助 |
| 00:11:55,760 | 00:11:57,760 | 我們在8月份已經通過新北市 |
| 00:11:57,760 | 00:12:00,760 | 政府一個都市設計審議 |
| 00:12:00,760 | 00:12:03,760 | 現在陸續在辦建造執照的申請 |
| 00:12:03,760 | 00:12:05,760 | 另外新建工程 |
| 00:12:05,760 | 00:12:08,760 | 是在我們內政部國土署的協助下 |
| 00:12:08,760 | 00:12:12,760 | 今年8月5號已經辦理第一次公告招標 |
| 00:12:12,760 | 00:12:14,760 | 9月22號開標 |
| 00:12:14,760 | 00:12:17,760 | 因為投標的產生沒有達到三家流標 |
| 00:12:18,760 | 00:12:21,760 | 後來我們在9月24號辦理第二次公告 |
| 00:12:21,760 | 00:12:23,760 | 剛好是今天10月6號開標 |
| 00:12:23,760 | 00:12:27,760 | 那目前是沒有產生參加投標 |
| 00:12:27,760 | 00:12:31,760 | 所以我們就會在10月底第三次開標 |
| 00:12:31,760 | 00:12:33,760 | 對我特別要請教部長 |
| 00:12:33,760 | 00:12:35,760 | 就是因為幾次流標了 |
| 00:12:35,760 | 00:12:37,760 | 所以希望部長 |
| 00:12:37,760 | 00:12:41,760 | 跟國土署這邊能夠充分的協調一下 |
| 00:12:41,760 | 00:12:43,760 | 看能不能再盡快 |
| 00:12:43,760 | 00:12:45,760 | 好 |
| 00:12:45,760 | 00:12:47,760 | 我們會去協商一下 |
| 00:12:47,760 | 00:12:49,760 | 好 謝謝 |
| 00:12:49,760 | 00:12:51,760 | 那最後我請卓院長 |
| 00:12:51,760 | 00:12:53,760 | 好 麻煩請再請卓院長備詢 |
| 00:13:01,760 | 00:13:02,760 | 張委員謝謝 |
| 00:13:02,760 | 00:13:04,760 | 卓院長 就剛剛我說的 |
| 00:13:04,760 | 00:13:08,760 | 這個進勞卡搭高鐵的這個 |
| 00:13:08,760 | 00:13:11,760 | 其實我也在總諮詢的時候 |
| 00:13:11,760 | 00:13:12,760 | 也請教過卓院長 |
| 00:13:12,760 | 00:13:15,760 | 那時候卓院長也是相當支持 |
| 00:13:15,760 | 00:13:17,760 | 那你覺得我剛剛說的這樣子 |
| 00:13:17,760 | 00:13:19,760 | 先把它建置完成 |
| 00:13:19,760 | 00:13:21,760 | 這樣有沒有道理 |
| 00:13:21,760 | 00:13:23,760 | 在新車廂到之前 |
| 00:13:23,760 | 00:13:26,760 | 我們把該做的準備工作能夠做好 |
| 00:13:26,760 | 00:13:30,760 | 甚至我們跟這個進勞卡原來設想的功能 |
| 00:13:30,760 | 00:13:32,760 | 也能夠把它融合在裡面 |
| 00:13:32,760 | 00:13:36,760 | 能夠鼓勵年長者多多出來活動 |
| 00:13:36,760 | 00:13:37,760 | 對他的健康有益 |
| 00:13:37,760 | 00:13:38,760 | 往這個方向講 |
| 00:13:38,760 | 00:13:40,760 | 那至於說這個進勞卡要怎麼去使用 |
| 00:13:40,760 | 00:13:42,760 | 我想有必要在做內容使用上 |
| 00:13:42,760 | 00:13:46,760 | 要不要做一些比較善意合理的規範 |
| 00:13:46,760 | 00:13:47,760 | 我們再來討論 |
| 00:13:47,760 | 00:13:50,760 | 但先把這個建置完成 |
| 00:13:50,760 | 00:13:51,760 | 它的這個軟體設計 |
| 00:13:51,760 | 00:13:55,760 | 我覺得是應該交通部會跟高鐵公司來協調 |
| 00:13:55,760 | 00:13:57,760 | 請高鐵公司儘量來配合 |
| 00:13:57,760 | 00:14:00,760 | 這個要拜託院長 |
| 00:14:00,760 | 00:14:05,760 | 其實高鐵它有一些理由都不好意思在這邊講 |
| 00:14:05,760 | 00:14:06,760 | 你知道嗎 |
| 00:14:06,760 | 00:14:08,760 | 這個講出來其實蠻好笑的理由 |
| 00:14:09,760 | 00:14:11,760 | 那我覺得就不在這邊講 |
| 00:14:11,760 | 00:14:14,760 | 但真的就是拜託院長 |
| 00:14:14,760 | 00:14:16,760 | 這個其實一個很簡單 |
| 00:14:16,760 | 00:14:18,760 | 也花不了多少錢 |
| 00:14:18,760 | 00:14:20,760 | 那可以馬上做的事情 |
| 00:14:20,760 | 00:14:23,760 | 那大家院長你也認同 |
| 00:14:23,760 | 00:14:25,760 | 那部長也認同 |
| 00:14:25,760 | 00:14:28,760 | 現在就是只有時效性的問題了 |
| 00:14:28,760 | 00:14:29,760 | 對不對 |
| 00:14:29,760 | 00:14:31,760 | 所以能不能拜託院長 |
| 00:14:31,760 | 00:14:33,760 | 把握這次新車廂要進來的這個時間 |
| 00:14:33,760 | 00:14:35,760 | 會讓班次更充裕 |
| 00:14:35,760 | 00:14:38,760 | 讓服務能夠更貼近人性的話 |
| 00:14:38,760 | 00:14:42,760 | 我們就來規範這個事情的發展性 |
| 00:14:42,760 | 00:14:43,760 | 好 我就拜託院長 |
| 00:14:43,760 | 00:14:45,760 | 就像剛剛部長說的這樣子 |
| 00:14:45,760 | 00:14:47,760 | 我們先把它建置完成 |
| 00:14:47,760 | 00:14:49,760 | 我們就建置完成 |
| 00:14:49,760 | 00:14:51,760 | 其實後面的事情 |
| 00:14:51,760 | 00:14:52,760 | 我說真的 |
| 00:14:52,760 | 00:14:55,760 | 如何使用這個各縣市政府 |
| 00:14:55,760 | 00:14:56,760 | 它會去處理 |
| 00:14:56,760 | 00:14:59,760 | 也讓我們的長者有多一個選擇 |
| 00:14:59,760 | 00:15:01,760 | 他平時也就可以來用了 |
| 00:15:01,760 | 00:15:03,760 | 我覺得這樣子 |
| 00:15:03,760 | 00:15:07,760 | 這樣子把禁錨卡發揮到更高的一個效果 |
| 00:15:07,760 | 00:15:08,760 | 好的 謝謝 |
| 00:15:08,760 | 00:15:09,760 | 我一再提醒這件事情 |
| 00:15:09,760 | 00:15:10,760 | 那就拜託院長 |
| 00:15:10,760 | 00:15:11,760 | 謝謝 |
| 00:15:11,760 | 00:15:12,760 | 謝謝張委員 |