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王世堅 @ 第11屆第6會期第2次會議
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| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 謝謝主席 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 我請卓院長 |
| 00:01:00,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 請卓院長備詢 |
| 00:01:15,000 | 00:01:17,000 | 吳郝委員好 |
| 00:01:17,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 卓院長 又是新的會期開始了 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 也是一個嶄新的契機希望 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:24,000 | 是 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 我今天特地帶來 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:29,000 | 這副弓箭要送給你 |
| 00:01:29,000 | 00:01:33,000 | 有兩大意義 |
| 00:01:33,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 第一個意義 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 我就是希望你能夠更理解 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 執政 施政 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 就像拉弓射箭 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:47,000 | 力道要恰到好處 |
| 00:01:47,000 | 00:01:49,000 | 第二點 |
| 00:01:49,000 | 00:01:51,000 | 我寄望你 |
| 00:01:51,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 能夠為我們台灣 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:56,000 | 射出 |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 濁魁三箭 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:01,000 | 就像日本的安徽 |
| 00:02:01,000 | 00:02:03,000 | 三箭一樣 |
| 00:02:03,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 那麼 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:07,000 | 新的會期開始 |
| 00:02:07,000 | 00:02:09,000 | 跟在野黨的溝通非常重要 |
| 00:02:09,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 我們不只明年度的預算 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 還有追加預算等等 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:17,000 | 如果我們能夠像 |
| 00:02:17,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 拉箭射弓一樣 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 這個力道要恰到好處 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 弓就像政治手腕 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:33,000 | 箭就像資源預算 |
| 00:02:33,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 那麼弓拉得太鬆沒有力量 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 施政無力拉得太緊 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 斷掉了 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 那就一事無成 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 這非常要緊 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 所以要拉得恰到好處 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 那麼其次 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 我也希望說 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 在新的會期 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 你能夠再度 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 拿出像你剛就任的時候 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:02,000 | 那時候的熱情活力一樣 |
| 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 為我們台灣射出 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 像日本安倍晉三的三箭 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 安倍三箭 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:13,000 | 在我們台灣把握現在這個時機 |
| 00:03:13,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 現在是我們台灣經濟實力 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 也最強盛的時候 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 把握這個時機 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 射出這三箭 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 第一箭 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:29,000 | 我們成立主權基金進軍事件 |
| 00:03:29,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 第二箭 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:33,000 | 建立亞太資產管理中心 |
| 00:03:33,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 第三箭 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 結合揮達厚質AI產業 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 我希望這三箭 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 你能夠在這個會期 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 把握我們台灣最強盛的時候 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 能夠為我們整個國家 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 射出未來這三箭 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 所以我送給你這副弓箭 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:58,000 | 讓你放在你的院長室 |
| 00:04:12,000 | 00:04:33,000 | 非常謝謝王委員的期許 |
| 00:04:33,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 跟你這個三支箭的含義 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 我倒是希望行政立法兩院 |
| 00:04:41,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 我們能拿同一把弓箭 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 射同樣的一個把 |
| 00:04:45,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 這個才重要 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:48,000 | 如果我們的把是一樣的 |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 把先是一樣的 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 但我們的目標就是一樣 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 力道只有行政院來射都不夠 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 行政兩院一同射一把箭 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 射向同樣的把 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 讓台灣更進步 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:00,000 | 對 |
| 00:05:00,000 | 00:05:03,000 | 我們兩千三百萬人不分哪個政黨 |
| 00:05:03,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 那我們是執政黨 |
| 00:05:05,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 我們就再度釋出善意 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:11,000 | 大家好好溝通政策預算 |
| 00:05:11,000 | 00:05:13,000 | 請各部會的部長們 |
| 00:05:13,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 他們要加把勁 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:17,000 | 在會期這一開始 |
| 00:05:17,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 趕快去跟各個立委不分政黨 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 都好好溝通 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:23,000 | 時間暫停 |
| 00:05:23,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 我請我們經濟部長 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:28,000 | 請經濟部長備詢 |
| 00:05:28,000 | 00:05:29,000 | 另外王委員一句話 |
| 00:05:29,000 | 00:05:31,000 | 揮達我們已經盡力 |
| 00:05:31,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 讓它留在台灣 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 成為台灣產業動力的一部分 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 委員 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 亞太自產中心 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 亞太自產管理中心 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:41,000 | 我們在高雄也有示範的場域 |
| 00:05:41,000 | 00:05:42,000 | 相當的成功 |
| 00:05:42,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 我正想把它複製到其他地方去 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 至於主權基金 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 那也是我們現在緊挪密鼓在籌備的一項 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 也請委員來支持 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 希望能夠做得像世界第一大 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 挪威的主權基金一樣 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:56,000 | 那是很值得接地學習的 |
| 00:05:56,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 為他們國家創造更多 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:01,000 | 福國利民的福利政策 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:03,000 | 那個委部長 |
| 00:06:03,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 是 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 我非得問問你不可啦 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:10,000 | GRAP要來併福潘大 |
| 00:06:10,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 這個案子不但送公平會 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 而且你的屬下的投審會 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 他們未來也要加入這個審查 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:26,000 | 那麼你下屬還有一個資策會 |
| 00:06:26,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 他們這些資策會的學者專家們 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 在六月份的科技法律 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 我就已經寫得很清楚 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:36,000 | 我簡單一句話 |
| 00:06:36,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 他認為GRAP並福潘大對競爭帶來的傷害 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 限制競爭帶來的傷害 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 遠大於對整體經濟利益的提升 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:53,000 | 這麼簡單的一句結論 |
| 00:06:53,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 我相信這是你下屬的單位 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:06:58,000 | 你應該知道 |
| 00:06:58,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 好了 |
| 00:06:59,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 那麼在這麼敏感 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 雖然延了兩個月大概10月下旬 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:07,000 | 這個公平會就要判出來啦 |
| 00:07:07,000 | 00:07:09,000 | 結果你就在上個禮拜 |
| 00:07:09,000 | 00:07:11,000 | 你也等不及的 |
| 00:07:11,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 你不但去參加這個所謂的 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:20,000 | 所謂的這個產業的說明會 |
| 00:07:20,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 叫做 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 他是論壇 |
| 00:07:22,000 | 00:07:23,000 | 對論壇 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 你是參加這個論壇 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:30,000 | 這個論壇表面上沒有一句話提到GRAP |
| 00:07:30,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 但是裡面的內文繼續都是GRAP |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 我簡單講給你聽啦 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:40,000 | 你提到外商投資外送平台 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:43,000 | 帶動本地產業升級 |
| 00:07:43,000 | 00:07:45,000 | 外商平台就GRAP啊 |
| 00:07:45,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 判新的業者加入 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 然後回歸自由經濟 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:53,000 | 政府避免過度介入 |
| 00:07:53,000 | 00:07:56,000 | 部長你是部長之追 |
| 00:07:56,000 | 00:07:57,000 | 你是部長之追 |
| 00:07:57,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 你是在暗示公平會 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 暗示說你屬下的投審會 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:05,000 | 不要審這個案子嗎 |
| 00:08:05,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 荒唐 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 沒有這樣的情況啊 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 我沒有講這樣啊 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 最後這個媒體下的標 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 也變了 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:17,000 | FuPanda都是外資啊 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 那現在就只有一個外資GRAP要來並 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:23,000 | 而且這個並 |
| 00:08:23,000 | 00:08:25,000 | GRAP就是Uber |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 並了FuPanda |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 那就是壟斷 |
| 00:08:30,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 不是嗎 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:33,000 | 你非常清楚的嘛 |
| 00:08:33,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 現在我請問你啊 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 那你我請問你哪一家外資要來並 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 在台灣要做外送平台 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 你講你講還有哪一家 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 我沒有零 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 好了 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 最後你們也不遠了啦 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 這個說要借力 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 這種是你的話吧 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 新平台的優勢 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:59,000 | GRAP要踏出東南亞的第一步 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 沒有這個事 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 我沒有講這個話 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 標題是這麼下的 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 那你跟小媒體抗議嘛 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:05,000 | 對 |
| 00:09:05,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 因為我只是去致辭 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:07,000 | 我就離開了 |
| 00:09:07,000 | 00:09:09,000 | 所以後面講什麼我完全不知道 |
| 00:09:09,000 | 00:09:11,000 | 你還沒離開之前你就講 |
| 00:09:11,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 你甚至還附和著說 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:15,000 | 先投資 |
| 00:09:15,000 | 00:09:17,000 | 若能進入市場 |
| 00:09:17,000 | 00:09:19,000 | 將有機會 |
| 00:09:19,000 | 00:09:21,000 | 創造更多市場機會 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 提供工作者更好的就業選擇 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:29,000 | 甚至協助企業拓展海外市場 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 天啊 |
| 00:09:30,000 | 00:09:31,000 | 那個 |
| 00:09:31,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 部長 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:34,000 | 你再怎麼忙 |
| 00:09:34,000 | 00:09:37,000 | 你至少也要了解一下這些GRAP |
| 00:09:37,000 | 00:09:39,000 | 現在來做的人 |
| 00:09:39,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 這裡面與會就講說 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 同樣你說那是一個會 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 好那個與會裡面有一個吳德威 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 吳德威你應該知道 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:49,000 | 你應該知道 |
| 00:09:49,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 六年前2019年 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:53,000 | 他在耕斗雲聯網 |
| 00:09:53,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 這個董事長的時候 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 違法引入中資 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 獵爆移動 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 你記不記得 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:03,000 | 當時被你們經濟部 |
| 00:10:03,000 | 00:10:05,000 | 投審司 |
| 00:10:05,000 | 00:10:07,000 | 受剪掉 |
| 00:10:07,000 | 00:10:10,000 | 這個人大大方方就坐在你旁邊 |
| 00:10:10,000 | 00:10:12,000 | 一起再跟你談GRAP的事 |
| 00:10:12,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 天啊 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:16,000 | 我現在請問你啊 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:19,000 | 公平衛跟你比平行單位好 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:22,000 | 投審司是你下屬單位 |
| 00:10:22,000 | 00:10:26,000 | 你在上面的一舉手一投足 |
| 00:10:26,000 | 00:10:27,000 | 欸 |
| 00:10:27,000 | 00:10:29,000 | 他們都看得很清楚 |
| 00:10:29,000 | 00:10:31,000 | 你是在暗示他嗎 |
| 00:10:31,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 沒有這樣沒有這樣 |
| 00:10:32,000 | 00:10:34,000 | 我跟你舉個例子 |
| 00:10:34,000 | 00:10:36,000 | 去年啊 |
| 00:10:36,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 那個要合併 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:40,000 | 星光金 |
| 00:10:40,000 | 00:10:44,000 | 台積金跟中信金正在競爭的時候 |
| 00:10:44,000 | 00:10:48,000 | 中信金用盡各種方法請金管會的人 |
| 00:10:48,000 | 00:10:50,000 | 去參加他們我辦的 |
| 00:10:50,000 | 00:10:52,000 | 也是這種亂談 |
| 00:10:52,000 | 00:10:55,000 | 當時的金管會彭主委 |
| 00:10:55,000 | 00:10:57,000 | 是為了言辭拒絕 |
| 00:10:57,000 | 00:10:59,000 | 而且他沒有去 |
| 00:10:59,000 | 00:11:01,000 | 這才是正確的啊 |
| 00:11:03,000 | 00:11:04,000 | 去了 |
| 00:11:04,000 | 00:11:06,000 | 一張照片 |
| 00:11:06,000 | 00:11:08,000 | 就代表一切了 |
| 00:11:08,000 | 00:11:11,000 | 更何況你在那裡不只一張照片 |
| 00:11:11,000 | 00:11:13,000 | 你不只這張照片 |
| 00:11:13,000 | 00:11:15,000 | 你還講了一堆話 |
| 00:11:16,000 | 00:11:19,000 | 所以我不懂啊你這是什麼意思 |
| 00:11:19,000 | 00:11:22,000 | 那時間暫停我請公平衛陳主委 |
| 00:11:22,000 | 00:11:23,000 | 在這裡 |
| 00:11:23,000 | 00:11:25,000 | 公平衛陳主委在這邊 |
| 00:11:25,000 | 00:11:26,000 | 委員我請在這邊 |
| 00:11:26,000 | 00:11:28,000 | 公平衛已經備詢了請 |
| 00:11:28,000 | 00:11:30,000 | 喔已經喔就你喔抱歉抱歉 |
| 00:11:30,000 | 00:11:31,000 | 來請 |
| 00:11:31,000 | 00:11:33,000 | 抱歉抱歉 |
| 00:11:34,000 | 00:11:38,000 | 你可以問問院長旁邊的主委陳主委 |
| 00:11:38,000 | 00:11:42,000 | 我想你在這一個論壇也有受到邀請 |
| 00:11:42,000 | 00:11:45,000 | 但是你沒有去嘛 |
| 00:11:45,000 | 00:11:46,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:11:46,000 | 00:11:48,000 | 你為什麼沒有去 |
| 00:11:48,000 | 00:11:50,000 | 因為這個案子目前是在我們審查當中 |
| 00:11:50,000 | 00:11:52,000 | 我是覺得不太妥當 |
| 00:11:52,000 | 00:11:53,000 | 是啊 |
| 00:11:53,000 | 00:11:55,000 | 你在審查不是嗎 |
| 00:11:56,000 | 00:11:58,000 | 經濟部辭私我們國家 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:12:01,000 | 所有我們自己內資外資 |
| 00:12:01,000 | 00:12:02,000 | 在台灣的投資 |
| 00:12:02,000 | 00:12:03,000 | 尤其 |
| 00:12:04,000 | 00:12:07,000 | 如果在公平衛這邊通過了 |
| 00:12:07,000 | 00:12:09,000 | 不管怎麼樣通過 |
| 00:12:09,000 | 00:12:10,000 | 不條件條 |
| 00:12:10,000 | 00:12:13,000 | 再來就是經濟部投審司要審 |
| 00:12:14,000 | 00:12:16,000 | 那個部長這樣你聽到了吧 |
| 00:12:16,000 | 00:12:18,000 | 他說他們正在審理中 |
| 00:12:18,000 | 00:12:20,000 | 他不宜參加 |
| 00:12:20,000 | 00:12:21,000 | 不是這樣嗎 |
| 00:12:21,000 | 00:12:23,000 | 更何況你去了 |
| 00:12:23,000 | 00:12:25,000 | 你還講了這些肉麻的話 |
| 00:12:25,000 | 00:12:27,000 | 你有什麼好解釋嗎 |
| 00:12:28,000 | 00:12:30,000 | 我沒有講什麼話 |
| 00:12:30,000 | 00:12:31,000 | 沒有 |
| 00:12:31,000 | 00:12:33,000 | 我就是一個開幕致詞 |
| 00:12:33,000 | 00:12:34,000 | 開幕致詞 |
| 00:12:34,000 | 00:12:36,000 | 開幕致詞就是講我剛剛講的這個嘛 |
| 00:12:36,000 | 00:12:38,000 | 而且就是一般性的致詞 |
| 00:12:38,000 | 00:12:39,000 | 這個叫一般性 |
| 00:12:39,000 | 00:12:41,000 | 對你來講一般性啦 |
| 00:12:42,000 | 00:12:43,000 | 對業者 |
| 00:12:44,000 | 00:12:45,000 | 對 |
| 00:12:46,000 | 00:12:48,000 | 整個社會關注的 |
| 00:12:48,000 | 00:12:51,000 | 尤其對外送平台 |
| 00:12:51,000 | 00:12:53,000 | 還有這些小吃業者 |
| 00:12:54,000 | 00:12:55,000 | 他們 |
| 00:12:55,000 | 00:12:57,000 | 引領氣派說 |
| 00:12:57,000 | 00:12:59,000 | 政府是不是能夠很公平的審查 |
| 00:12:59,000 | 00:13:01,000 | 幫他們擋住 |
| 00:13:01,000 | 00:13:04,000 | 因為去年Uber才來要併服潘塔 |
| 00:13:04,000 | 00:13:06,000 | 被公平衛 |
| 00:13:06,000 | 00:13:08,000 | 被拒絕了 |
| 00:13:08,000 | 00:13:10,000 | 現在他換個名字Grab |
| 00:13:11,000 | 00:13:12,000 | 然後 |
| 00:13:12,000 | 00:13:14,000 | Grab就是Uber |
| 00:13:15,000 | 00:13:18,000 | 他們兩個並沒有佔總市場95%以上 |
| 00:13:18,000 | 00:13:20,000 | 這當然是壟斷 |
| 00:13:21,000 | 00:13:22,000 | 所以 |
| 00:13:23,000 | 00:13:24,000 | 這個當然 |
| 00:13:24,000 | 00:13:26,000 | 結論怎麼樣 |
| 00:13:26,000 | 00:13:28,000 | 你們自己判斷 |
| 00:13:28,000 | 00:13:30,000 | 那你根本不應該去 |
| 00:13:30,000 | 00:13:33,000 | 因為你的外接跟你執掌的職權 |
| 00:13:33,000 | 00:13:35,000 | 你手握的資源 |
| 00:13:36,000 | 00:13:38,000 | 遠大於公平位 |
| 00:13:39,000 | 00:13:40,000 | 那你這麼做 |
| 00:13:41,000 | 00:13:42,000 | 然後 |
| 00:13:42,000 | 00:13:44,000 | 王委員容不容許我一句話 |
| 00:13:44,000 | 00:13:45,000 | 好 |
| 00:13:45,000 | 00:13:46,000 | 那個院長我同意 |
| 00:13:46,000 | 00:13:48,000 | 但是是不是我在講普通一句喔 |
| 00:13:48,000 | 00:13:50,000 | 然後你看這個Grab喔 |
| 00:13:50,000 | 00:13:51,000 | 他們多亂來 |
| 00:13:51,000 | 00:13:53,000 | Grab在越南 |
| 00:13:53,000 | 00:13:56,000 | 他有非常不好的列行記錄 |
| 00:13:56,000 | 00:13:58,000 | 大家可以去查一查 |
| 00:13:58,000 | 00:14:03,000 | 然後他現在在台灣的總經理是滴滴出行的高層 |
| 00:14:03,000 | 00:14:05,000 | 滴滴出行也是一堆 |
| 00:14:05,000 | 00:14:06,000 | 列行 |
| 00:14:06,000 | 00:14:11,000 | 那最糟糕的是Grab已經跟華為合作圖資 |
| 00:14:11,000 | 00:14:14,000 | 所以如果讓他們合併成功 |
| 00:14:14,000 | 00:14:18,000 | 我們台灣的圖資將呈現在華為在中共面前 |
| 00:14:18,000 | 00:14:20,000 | 這是另外一個國安問題耶 |
| 00:14:20,000 | 00:14:21,000 | 結果 |
| 00:14:21,000 | 00:14:24,000 | 你好像不太當一回事 |
| 00:14:24,000 | 00:14:25,000 | 難道更扯的是 |
| 00:14:25,000 | 00:14:28,000 | 扯出一個說運出總工會的理事長 |
| 00:14:28,000 | 00:14:29,000 | 名字我就不提 |
| 00:14:29,000 | 00:14:33,000 | 他說他代表他們是18個外送工會 |
| 00:14:33,000 | 00:14:34,000 | 結果我們去查 |
| 00:14:34,000 | 00:14:35,000 | 根本鬼扯 |
| 00:14:35,000 | 00:14:38,000 | 真正的外送平台工會 |
| 00:14:38,000 | 00:14:41,000 | 外送的這些外送員 |
| 00:14:41,000 | 00:14:43,000 | 人家他們的工會 |
| 00:14:43,000 | 00:14:44,000 | 他們有工會 |
| 00:14:44,000 | 00:14:46,000 | 完全沒有被要求參加 |
| 00:14:46,000 | 00:14:49,000 | 這個傢伙說他們掌握18個工會 |
| 00:14:49,000 | 00:14:50,000 | 我去查了結果 |
| 00:14:50,000 | 00:14:53,000 | 這些工會根本叫做簡單講四個字 |
| 00:14:53,000 | 00:14:55,000 | 幽靈工會 |
| 00:14:55,000 | 00:14:56,000 | 真的工會 |
| 00:14:56,000 | 00:14:57,000 | 不要請 |
| 00:14:57,000 | 00:14:59,000 | 然後弄個假貨 |
| 00:14:59,000 | 00:15:01,000 | 這個假貨甚至 |
| 00:15:01,000 | 00:15:06,000 | 原來背後Grab答應要投資他們的運輸業 |
| 00:15:06,000 | 00:15:07,000 | 天啊 |
| 00:15:07,000 | 00:15:08,000 | 所以 |
| 00:15:08,000 | 00:15:10,000 | 部長我跟你講喔 |
| 00:15:10,000 | 00:15:12,000 | 你搞不清楚狀況以前 |
| 00:15:12,000 | 00:15:13,000 | 至少 |
| 00:15:13,000 | 00:15:15,000 | 你的立場 |
| 00:15:15,000 | 00:15:18,000 | 你的外間你要搞清楚 |
| 00:15:18,000 | 00:15:20,000 | 不能碰就是不能碰 |
| 00:15:20,000 | 00:15:24,000 | 你不能說我禮貌性去致辭 |
| 00:15:24,000 | 00:15:26,000 | 他也是禮貌性的運用啊 |
| 00:15:26,000 | 00:15:29,000 | 然後你屬下單位就看到了 |
| 00:15:30,000 | 00:15:31,000 | 誰敢審 |
| 00:15:31,000 | 00:15:32,000 | 我可以在這邊說明啊 |
| 00:15:32,000 | 00:15:33,000 | 我的立場是中立的 |
| 00:15:33,000 | 00:15:35,000 | 我完全沒有偏袒任何 |
| 00:15:35,000 | 00:15:36,000 | 公益 |
| 00:15:36,000 | 00:15:37,000 | 這叫公益 |
| 00:15:37,000 | 00:15:38,000 | 你那樣壟斷這個叫公益 |
| 00:15:38,000 | 00:15:39,000 | 中立 |
| 00:15:39,000 | 00:15:40,000 | 他說中立 |
| 00:15:40,000 | 00:15:41,000 | 我中立 |
| 00:15:41,000 | 00:15:42,000 | 我一句話就好 |
| 00:15:42,000 | 00:15:45,000 | 我們經常會參加各種產業 |
| 00:15:45,000 | 00:15:47,000 | 各種不同的一個活動 |
| 00:15:47,000 | 00:15:50,000 | 去總是希望國內各行各業產業能夠 |
| 00:15:50,000 | 00:15:52,000 | 審核公平的 |
| 00:15:52,000 | 00:15:54,000 | 而且很正面的去發展 |
| 00:15:54,000 | 00:15:57,000 | 那我跟公務長還有經濟部 |
| 00:15:57,000 | 00:15:59,000 | 在多少次的會議當中 |
| 00:15:59,000 | 00:16:01,000 | 我們認為台灣應該有一個公平的 |
| 00:16:01,000 | 00:16:04,000 | 一個社會的商業的環境 |
| 00:16:04,000 | 00:16:05,000 | 競爭的條件 |
| 00:16:05,000 | 00:16:07,000 | 這個都是我們在內心 |
| 00:16:07,000 | 00:16:08,000 | 有的一個標準 |
| 00:16:08,000 | 00:16:09,000 | 所以如果你認為 |
| 00:16:09,000 | 00:16:12,000 | 我們認為公務長在當天的 |
| 00:16:12,000 | 00:16:14,000 | 舉手投足代表一個什麼樣的意義的話 |
| 00:16:14,000 | 00:16:17,000 | 那今天我在這裡再鄭重的說 |
| 00:16:17,000 | 00:16:19,000 | 對這個事情公評會 |
| 00:16:19,000 | 00:16:22,000 | 依照法律公平的去審理 |
| 00:16:22,000 | 00:16:24,000 | 政府沒有特別立場 |
| 00:16:24,000 | 00:16:25,000 | 沒有偏袒哪一邊 |
| 00:16:25,000 | 00:16:28,000 | 但是我們追求一個公平合理的社會 |
| 00:16:28,000 | 00:16:30,000 | 以及商業環境的這個活動 |
| 00:16:30,000 | 00:16:32,000 | 是我們內心的爭議 |
| 00:16:32,000 | 00:16:35,000 | 我們一切就看月底審出來的結論是怎樣 |
| 00:16:35,000 | 00:16:36,000 | 好不好 |
| 00:16:36,000 | 00:16:39,000 | 我希望這個結論不要讓 |
| 00:16:39,000 | 00:16:43,000 | 我們整個社會產生有三疏的感覺 |
| 00:16:43,000 | 00:16:46,000 | 再來我講一個比較輕鬆的話題 |
| 00:16:46,000 | 00:16:48,000 | 這個也是社會關注 |
| 00:16:48,000 | 00:16:50,000 | 我們台灣的罰單 |
| 00:16:50,000 | 00:16:53,000 | 我們這幾年來的罰單大量增加 |
| 00:16:53,000 | 00:16:58,000 | 去年我們開了1631萬件的罰單 |
| 00:16:58,000 | 00:16:59,000 | 那是日本 |
| 00:16:59,000 | 00:17:03,000 | 日本去年493萬件 |
| 00:17:03,000 | 00:17:05,000 | 我們的人口2300萬 |
| 00:17:05,000 | 00:17:08,000 | 日本1.2億人 |
| 00:17:08,000 | 00:17:11,000 | 日本的人口是我們的5倍 |
| 00:17:11,000 | 00:17:13,000 | 車輛是我們的3.4倍 |
| 00:17:13,000 | 00:17:17,000 | 結果他的罰單是我們三分之一不到 |
| 00:17:17,000 | 00:17:19,000 | 三分之一不到 |
| 00:17:20,000 | 00:17:23,000 | 然後我們比起10年前 |
| 00:17:23,000 | 00:17:27,000 | 我們總件數快速成長 |
| 00:17:27,000 | 00:17:36,000 | 從928萬件成長到將近兩倍 |
| 00:17:36,000 | 00:17:37,000 | 1631件 |
| 00:17:37,000 | 00:17:41,000 | 1.75倍 |
| 00:17:41,000 | 00:17:43,000 | 所以我覺得這不可思議 |
| 00:17:43,000 | 00:17:45,000 | 那你如果說罰單開了 |
| 00:17:45,000 | 00:17:48,000 | 如果能夠降低我們車禍死亡人數 |
| 00:17:48,000 | 00:17:50,000 | 減少車禍的傷亡等等 |
| 00:17:50,000 | 00:17:51,000 | 也還好 |
| 00:17:51,000 | 00:17:56,000 | 結果我們的車禍死亡人數都一直高居3000位 |
| 00:17:56,000 | 00:17:59,000 | 111年3064位 |
| 00:17:59,000 | 00:18:02,000 | 去年減到2800位 |
| 00:18:02,000 | 00:18:04,000 | 當然有進步 |
| 00:18:04,000 | 00:18:05,000 | 但是反觀日本 |
| 00:18:05,000 | 00:18:08,000 | 日本交通死亡人數就我講的 |
| 00:18:08,000 | 00:18:12,000 | 他的人口是我們的5倍 |
| 00:18:12,000 | 00:18:17,000 | 但是他車禍死傷亡人數是不到我們的八成 |
| 00:18:17,000 | 00:18:19,000 | 他才2500人而已 |
| 00:18:19,000 | 00:18:21,000 | 他我們的5倍人口 |
| 00:18:21,000 | 00:18:23,000 | 所以我覺得這個部分 |
| 00:18:23,000 | 00:18:25,000 | 如果說真的能夠改善交通也還好 |
| 00:18:25,000 | 00:18:28,000 | 還有交通部一向有速度的迷失 |
| 00:18:28,000 | 00:18:30,000 | 我去列舉了說 |
| 00:18:30,000 | 00:18:33,000 | 那十大會發生車禍的原因 |
| 00:18:33,000 | 00:18:36,000 | 最大的車禍的原因就是駕駛人 |
| 00:18:36,000 | 00:18:38,000 | 恍神緊張心不在焉 |
| 00:18:38,000 | 00:18:41,000 | 恍神緊張心不在焉還有包括什麼 |
| 00:18:41,000 | 00:18:44,000 | 我們到處科技執法太多 |
| 00:18:44,000 | 00:18:46,000 | 你看我們罰單數這麼高 |
| 00:18:46,000 | 00:18:50,000 | 讓駕駛人根本沒辦法完全安心 |
| 00:18:50,000 | 00:18:53,000 | 那當然交通部也做很多改善 |
| 00:18:53,000 | 00:18:55,000 | 尤其是對機車 |
| 00:18:55,000 | 00:19:00,000 | 你們要求我對車況對燈光煞車零件 |
| 00:19:00,000 | 00:19:01,000 | 你們要求這麼多 |
| 00:19:01,000 | 00:19:05,000 | 可是到現在為止 |
| 00:19:05,000 | 00:19:08,000 | 前十大噪音因素沒有一下 |
| 00:19:08,000 | 00:19:12,000 | 是因為說輪胎燈光煞車零件事 |
| 00:19:12,000 | 00:19:13,000 | 統統沒有 |
| 00:19:13,000 | 00:19:14,000 | 統統沒有 |
| 00:19:14,000 | 00:19:18,000 | 我們專欺負騎機車的小市民朋友們 |
| 00:19:18,000 | 00:19:21,000 | 他們好差好欺負 |
| 00:19:21,000 | 00:19:24,000 | 所以我認為對於機車的健檢 |
| 00:19:24,000 | 00:19:26,000 | 還不如我們怎麼樣 |
| 00:19:26,000 | 00:19:29,000 | 我們給道路健檢這才有道理 |
| 00:19:29,000 | 00:19:32,000 | 道路到處有坑洞 |
| 00:19:32,000 | 00:19:34,000 | 凹凸不平上下崎嶇 |
| 00:19:34,000 | 00:19:37,000 | 這些比方說道路健檢我們該做的 |
| 00:19:37,000 | 00:19:42,000 | 現在22縣市很多地方都廣設行人庇護島 |
| 00:19:42,000 | 00:19:45,000 | 那有的行人庇護島高度不足 |
| 00:19:45,000 | 00:19:47,000 | 位置是在死角 |
| 00:19:47,000 | 00:19:50,000 | 這些反而發生了很多車禍 |
| 00:19:50,000 | 00:19:53,000 | 這個台北市我們光是在內湖 |
| 00:19:53,000 | 00:19:56,000 | 兩個禮拜內行人庇護島撞了四次 |
| 00:19:56,000 | 00:19:59,000 | 台中兩個月內發生16件 |
| 00:19:59,000 | 00:20:03,000 | 汽車左轉自撞撞到行人庇護島 |
| 00:20:03,000 | 00:20:05,000 | 在這些部分 |
| 00:20:05,000 | 00:20:08,000 | 那個院長是不是你可以責成部長 |
| 00:20:08,000 | 00:20:09,000 | 謝謝委員的提醒 |
| 00:20:09,000 | 00:20:11,000 | 我請部長再來詳細說明 |
| 00:20:11,000 | 00:20:12,000 | 我認為我們應該檢討 |
| 00:20:12,000 | 00:20:15,000 | 第一個是道路的設施 |
| 00:20:15,000 | 00:20:17,000 | 設施是不是能夠合理 |
| 00:20:17,000 | 00:20:18,000 | 再來是交通規則 |
| 00:20:18,000 | 00:20:21,000 | 是不是能夠有人性化的一個設計 |
| 00:20:21,000 | 00:20:24,000 | 或者是我們的號誌規劃的設計 |
| 00:20:24,000 | 00:20:26,000 | 是不是適當 |
| 00:20:26,000 | 00:20:27,000 | 這個都必須檢討下來 |
| 00:20:27,000 | 00:20:30,000 | 最後才是說國人的手法跟習慣 |
| 00:20:30,000 | 00:20:32,000 | 我們要能來協助大家如何養成 |
| 00:20:32,000 | 00:20:35,000 | 對人民來講政府只有一個 |
| 00:20:35,000 | 00:20:37,000 | 不管是22縣市政府說 |
| 00:20:37,000 | 00:20:39,000 | 為了地方自己收入罰單 |
| 00:20:39,000 | 00:20:43,000 | 中央政府有權來對這句話下個定義 |
| 00:20:43,000 | 00:20:47,000 | 簡單講先把罰單減量 |
| 00:20:47,000 | 00:20:49,000 | 不必要的 |
| 00:20:49,000 | 00:20:52,000 | 過度曲解的這樣的罰單 |
| 00:20:52,000 | 00:20:55,000 | 應該通令22縣市好好檢討 |
| 00:20:55,000 | 00:20:56,000 | 可不可以 |
| 00:20:56,000 | 00:20:59,000 | 科技執法交通部有跟地方政府在檢討當中 |
| 00:20:59,000 | 00:21:01,000 | 我們有測出了幾處 |
| 00:21:01,000 | 00:21:02,000 | 是不是部長來說明 |
| 00:21:02,000 | 00:21:03,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:21:03,000 | 00:21:04,000 | 您剛剛所質詢的內容 |
| 00:21:04,000 | 00:21:08,000 | 其實我知道您相當關心這個交通的議題 |
| 00:21:08,000 | 00:21:10,000 | 不過速度管理這一點是這個樣子 |
| 00:21:10,000 | 00:21:14,000 | 就是說以瑞典臨死亡願景發起的國家 |
| 00:21:14,000 | 00:21:15,000 | 結果我知道了 |
| 00:21:15,000 | 00:21:16,000 | 抱歉我時間有限 |
| 00:21:16,000 | 00:21:17,000 | 部長好 |
| 00:21:17,000 | 00:21:20,000 | 那他們速度管理對他們來講是一個重要的 |
| 00:21:20,000 | 00:21:21,000 | 你先請回 |
| 00:21:21,000 | 00:21:23,000 | 我知道你剛剛講的那些我都看過 |
| 00:21:23,000 | 00:21:25,000 | 我只是告訴你說 |
| 00:21:25,000 | 00:21:26,000 | 時間繼續 |
| 00:21:26,000 | 00:21:30,000 | 車速不是造貨最重要的原因 |
| 00:21:30,000 | 00:21:31,000 | 請回 |
| 00:21:31,000 | 00:21:35,000 | 因為現在車子的性質都太好了 |
| 00:21:35,000 | 00:21:36,000 | 院長 |
| 00:21:36,000 | 00:21:37,000 | 是 |
| 00:21:37,000 | 00:21:41,000 | 20年前監察院就糾舉過波波醫師 |
| 00:21:41,000 | 00:21:44,000 | 結果這20年來不但波波醫師 |
| 00:21:44,000 | 00:21:46,000 | 波波牙醫大量的增長 |
| 00:21:46,000 | 00:21:47,000 | 那麼這嚴重的 |
| 00:21:47,000 | 00:21:49,000 | 危害了我們的台灣價值 |
| 00:21:49,000 | 00:21:52,000 | 台灣價值就是我們台灣每個人 |
| 00:21:52,000 | 00:21:55,000 | 每個世代都要有公平的就學權 |
| 00:21:55,000 | 00:21:56,000 | 受教權 |
| 00:21:56,000 | 00:21:57,000 | 教育權 |
| 00:21:57,000 | 00:22:00,000 | 公平的工作權 |
| 00:22:00,000 | 00:22:01,000 | 哪有這些波波醫師 |
| 00:22:01,000 | 00:22:02,000 | 波波牙醫 |
| 00:22:02,000 | 00:22:04,000 | 因為他們在那樣子的國家受到的 |
| 00:22:04,000 | 00:22:06,000 | 我們台灣的醫師或牙醫 |
| 00:22:06,000 | 00:22:09,000 | 是我們台灣這些醫學教授們 |
| 00:22:09,000 | 00:22:11,000 | 大家手把手交出來 |
| 00:22:11,000 | 00:22:16,000 | 所以我們台灣的醫學品質是傲視世界 |
| 00:22:16,000 | 00:22:20,000 | 結果現在如果大量的波波牙醫波波醫師 |
| 00:22:20,000 | 00:22:23,000 | 再繼續下去會嚴重的影響 |
| 00:22:23,000 | 00:22:26,000 | 降低了我們的醫療水準 |
| 00:22:26,000 | 00:22:28,000 | 所以我個人是認為這樣 |
| 00:22:28,000 | 00:22:29,000 | 我認為說 |
| 00:22:29,000 | 00:22:31,000 | 我認為說我們國外畢業生的學歷 |
| 00:22:31,000 | 00:22:35,000 | 應該改採要認名的 |
| 00:22:35,000 | 00:22:37,000 | 要列這個名單 |
| 00:22:37,000 | 00:22:39,000 | 哪一些學校可以去 |
| 00:22:39,000 | 00:22:41,000 | 那麼畢業生 |
| 00:22:41,000 | 00:22:42,000 | 國外畢業生 |
| 00:22:42,000 | 00:22:44,000 | 醫學系、牙醫學系 |
| 00:22:44,000 | 00:22:47,000 | 應該限定名額是我們國內招生名額的 |
| 00:22:47,000 | 00:22:49,000 | 十分之一才對 |
| 00:22:49,000 | 00:22:52,000 | 而且最重要我認為要揭露 |
| 00:22:52,000 | 00:22:54,000 | 在網站上 |
| 00:22:54,000 | 00:22:56,000 | 在醫院裡面要揭露波波牙醫 |
| 00:22:56,000 | 00:22:58,000 | 波波醫師的學歷 |
| 00:22:58,000 | 00:23:01,000 | 還有最後我們政府應該拿出態度 |
| 00:23:01,000 | 00:23:05,000 | 對波波醫師、波波牙醫設弱勢條款 |
| 00:23:05,000 | 00:23:08,000 | 大家不要再給他們有一條中南節性 |
| 00:23:08,000 | 00:23:11,000 | 在我們台灣要當牙醫師 |
| 00:23:11,000 | 00:23:15,000 | 大家就一步一步考試優秀的 |
| 00:23:15,000 | 00:23:16,000 | 然後去念醫學院 |
| 00:23:16,000 | 00:23:18,000 | 然後嚴格的受教 |
| 00:23:18,000 | 00:23:21,000 | 這樣才對不是嗎 |
| 00:23:22,000 | 00:23:25,000 | 是的我們認為台灣的醫療的服務量能 |
| 00:23:25,000 | 00:23:28,000 | 我們要維持這樣的品質 |
| 00:23:28,000 | 00:23:31,000 | 所以由台灣內部自己訓練而成的 |
| 00:23:31,000 | 00:23:33,000 | 任何的醫師、護理人員 |
| 00:23:33,000 | 00:23:35,000 | 都是我們珍惜的 |
| 00:23:35,000 | 00:23:37,000 | 但我們針對過去多少年來 |
| 00:23:37,000 | 00:23:41,000 | 有這些剛委員所說的波波牙醫這個部分 |
| 00:23:41,000 | 00:23:44,000 | 我們也去年以前也做了相當多的努力 |
| 00:23:44,000 | 00:23:46,000 | 我們希望在一定的量 |
| 00:23:46,000 | 00:23:51,000 | 來讓他能夠把過去產生的這些能夠消化掉 |
| 00:23:51,000 | 00:23:53,000 | 一定的時間來解決這個問題 |
| 00:23:53,000 | 00:23:54,000 | 但是不會影響到本國的 |
| 00:23:54,000 | 00:23:55,000 | 新前的這樣 |
| 00:23:55,000 | 00:23:57,000 | 新的我們就不要再以這個 |
| 00:23:57,000 | 00:23:59,000 | 我們設個落日條款好不好 |
| 00:23:59,000 | 00:24:01,000 | 那個院長我時間有限 |
| 00:24:01,000 | 00:24:05,000 | 你請政部長請兩位部長好好回去研究 |
| 00:24:05,000 | 00:24:07,000 | 我剛剛講的落日條款 |
| 00:24:07,000 | 00:24:11,000 | 來落實我們台灣的價值 |
| 00:24:11,000 | 00:24:14,000 | 我們再不影響台灣本地的醫療品質的時候 |
| 00:24:14,000 | 00:24:17,000 | 另外我們有這麼優秀、這麼良好 |
| 00:24:17,000 | 00:24:19,000 | 這麼嚴謹的醫療品質 |
| 00:24:19,000 | 00:24:21,000 | 每年一定的量、一定的時間 |
| 00:24:21,000 | 00:24:24,000 | 現在是過度集十分之一 |
| 00:24:24,000 | 00:24:27,000 | 現在結果數字也超過十分之一 |
| 00:24:27,000 | 00:24:29,000 | 好,時間暫停,兩位部長請回 |
| 00:24:29,000 | 00:24:32,000 | 時間暫停,兩位部長請回 |
| 00:24:32,000 | 00:24:35,000 | 那個院長還有一件頭痛的事情 |
| 00:24:35,000 | 00:24:37,000 | 就是關於勞動部 |
| 00:24:37,000 | 00:24:43,000 | 就是說這個我們在我們台灣的外籍人士突破百萬 |
| 00:24:43,000 | 00:24:45,000 | 那外籍移工也是 |
| 00:24:45,000 | 00:24:47,000 | 那麼外籍移工裡面逃逸的 |
| 00:24:47,000 | 00:24:50,000 | 現在竟然超過十萬人 |
| 00:24:50,000 | 00:24:53,000 | 結果好像我們各級單位 |
| 00:24:53,000 | 00:24:56,000 | 移民署也好、勞動部也好 |
| 00:24:56,000 | 00:24:58,000 | 我們警政單位更是 |
| 00:24:58,000 | 00:25:01,000 | 因為警政單位已經太多任務要做了 |
| 00:25:01,000 | 00:25:08,000 | 要防詐、要抓毒、要一般的治安、要交通 |
| 00:25:08,000 | 00:25:10,000 | 根本沒有餘力 |
| 00:25:10,000 | 00:25:12,000 | 所以是不是那個部長在這個部分 |
| 00:25:12,000 | 00:25:15,000 | 越南政府他們已經計出方式了 |
| 00:25:15,000 | 00:25:17,000 | 他們計出一個方式就是說 |
| 00:25:17,000 | 00:25:21,000 | 如果我允許你出國去工作的 |
| 00:25:21,000 | 00:25:23,000 | 你過了這個期限回來 |
| 00:25:23,000 | 00:25:26,000 | 他們要罰一億越南幣 |
| 00:25:26,000 | 00:25:28,000 | 他們計出這個法則 |
| 00:25:28,000 | 00:25:33,000 | 所以院長是不是你車程部長、勞動部長 |
| 00:25:33,000 | 00:25:37,000 | 他好好的去想想說這個部分怎麼樣 |
| 00:25:37,000 | 00:25:40,000 | 來做一個調整、來因應人家其他國家 |
| 00:25:40,000 | 00:25:42,000 | 他們都有好的對策了 |
| 00:25:42,000 | 00:25:43,000 | 那個部長 |
| 00:25:43,000 | 00:25:44,000 | 那個部長 |
| 00:25:44,000 | 00:25:47,000 | 好,跟委員報告 |
| 00:25:47,000 | 00:25:51,000 | 其實在逃逸移工的問題或失聯移工的問題上 |
| 00:25:51,000 | 00:25:54,000 | 其實在2025年確實那時候是比較高峰 |
| 00:25:54,000 | 00:25:57,000 | 大概有到九萬五左右 |
| 00:25:57,000 | 00:25:59,000 | 那其實在這一年的時間裡面 |
| 00:25:59,000 | 00:26:00,000 | 這一年的時間 |
| 00:26:00,000 | 00:26:03,000 | 從今年上半年開始持續的在下降中 |
| 00:26:03,000 | 00:26:08,000 | 那目前這個累積的失聯移工的人數 |
| 00:26:08,000 | 00:26:10,000 | 大概已經低於九萬人了 |
| 00:26:10,000 | 00:26:11,000 | 低於九萬人 |
| 00:26:11,000 | 00:26:13,000 | 我手上的數字是十萬人 |
| 00:26:13,000 | 00:26:14,000 | 沒有 |
| 00:26:14,000 | 00:26:16,000 | 你說現在已經低於九萬人了 |
| 00:26:16,000 | 00:26:17,000 | 是已經低於九萬了 |
| 00:26:17,000 | 00:26:22,000 | 所以在今年我們整體在這個失聯移工的應對上面 |
| 00:26:22,000 | 00:26:23,000 | 其實是有一些成效的 |
| 00:26:23,000 | 00:26:25,000 | 當然我們還會再接再厲 |
| 00:26:25,000 | 00:26:27,000 | 因為我知道社會很關注這個問題 |
| 00:26:27,000 | 00:26:29,000 | 我們會再接再厲 |
| 00:26:29,000 | 00:26:32,000 | 所以我們現在包括也跟內政部、也跟移民署 |
| 00:26:32,000 | 00:26:35,000 | 我們其實接下來會有更多跨部會的合作 |
| 00:26:35,000 | 00:26:38,000 | 尤其是針對這些非法仲介 |
| 00:26:39,000 | 00:26:42,000 | 針對這些非法仲介來去做強力的 |
| 00:26:42,000 | 00:26:44,000 | 來去做相關的查緝 |
| 00:26:44,000 | 00:26:46,000 | 這個部分我們跟劉部長這邊 |
| 00:26:46,000 | 00:26:49,000 | 我們已經開了兩個部會開了跨部會的會議 |
| 00:26:49,000 | 00:26:51,000 | 劉部長我常常跟他討論政策 |
| 00:26:51,000 | 00:26:52,000 | 他沒有問題 |
| 00:26:52,000 | 00:26:54,000 | 好OK那時間暫停 |
| 00:26:54,000 | 00:26:55,000 | 你們兩位部長請回 |
| 00:26:55,000 | 00:26:57,000 | 時間暫停內政部勞動部請回 |
| 00:27:02,000 | 00:27:04,000 | 金管會通知 |
| 00:27:04,000 | 00:27:06,000 | 麻煩請金管會主委備詢 |
| 00:27:08,000 | 00:27:10,000 | 請 |
| 00:27:20,000 | 00:27:22,000 | 院長主委 |
| 00:27:22,000 | 00:27:24,000 | 我們用AI防詐是對的 |
| 00:27:24,000 | 00:27:29,000 | 但是不能讓身心障礙者變成可疑人物 |
| 00:27:29,000 | 00:27:33,000 | 事實上最近他們在做的就是要做影像 |
| 00:27:33,000 | 00:27:36,000 | 結果我們台灣身心障礙者 |
| 00:27:36,000 | 00:27:41,000 | 有120萬人裡面有35萬位是輪椅族 |
| 00:27:41,000 | 00:27:45,000 | 還有顏面商場的也有上萬位 |
| 00:27:45,000 | 00:27:48,000 | 那他們幾乎完全攝影不到 |
| 00:27:48,000 | 00:27:54,000 | 而且這個我們已經嚴重違反身心障礙者權利公約 |
| 00:27:54,000 | 00:27:55,000 | 也違反了主委 |
| 00:27:55,000 | 00:27:58,000 | 那時候你在金管會你要求銀行監控說 |
| 00:27:58,000 | 00:28:01,000 | 你要公平待客 |
| 00:28:01,000 | 00:28:03,000 | 你訂了一個公平待客原則 |
| 00:28:03,000 | 00:28:05,000 | 這不但違反身心障礙公約 |
| 00:28:05,000 | 00:28:09,000 | 也違反了你的公平待客原則 |
| 00:28:09,000 | 00:28:14,000 | 而且導入ATM的臉部防詐措施後 |
| 00:28:14,000 | 00:28:17,000 | 事實上這整件事很粗暴 |
| 00:28:17,000 | 00:28:19,000 | 事先也沒宣導 |
| 00:28:19,000 | 00:28:23,000 | 那麼一下子全國現在有3萬3000多台 |
| 00:28:23,000 | 00:28:27,000 | 大概去年本來只裝了1%要影像的 |
| 00:28:27,000 | 00:28:30,000 | 現在已經高達7%有2500台 |
| 00:28:30,000 | 00:28:35,000 | 照他們的說法還要繼續增加到全部都不設 |
| 00:28:35,000 | 00:28:40,000 | 所以我覺得這不但是違反這兩大原則 |
| 00:28:40,000 | 00:28:46,000 | 而且這個也間接的歧視了身障者 |
| 00:28:46,000 | 00:28:50,000 | 所以這個部分我希望是不是你們能夠積極的 |
| 00:28:50,000 | 00:28:53,000 | 跟這些銀行監控公司好好談一談 |
| 00:28:53,000 | 00:28:56,000 | 就是這樣子要防詐也對 |
| 00:28:56,000 | 00:28:59,000 | 但是既然要攝影要影像 |
| 00:28:59,000 | 00:29:03,000 | 你就要調到拍得到他坐著 |
| 00:29:03,000 | 00:29:06,000 | 他不用動也應該拍得到 |
| 00:29:06,000 | 00:29:09,000 | 否則就不要來這一套好不好 |
| 00:29:09,000 | 00:29:12,000 | 是委員這個我們都有在考慮 |
| 00:29:12,000 | 00:29:15,000 | 所以這部分因為我們現在只是先做一些示範 |
| 00:29:15,000 | 00:29:16,000 | 我們收集很多意見 |
| 00:29:16,000 | 00:29:19,000 | 香港委員提到都是我們未來調教的重點 |
| 00:29:19,000 | 00:29:22,000 | 事先還在鼓勵的信心 |
| 00:29:22,000 | 00:29:23,000 | 我現在還在努力裝潢 |
| 00:29:23,000 | 00:29:24,000 | 在鼓勵的信心 |
| 00:29:24,000 | 00:29:26,000 | 我希望在執行的過程當中 |
| 00:29:26,000 | 00:29:30,000 | 高度、角度、準度都要注意得到 |
| 00:29:30,000 | 00:29:34,000 | 避免王委員所說的發生這種不愉快的反應 |
| 00:29:34,000 | 00:29:38,000 | 我們有35萬位輪椅族的朋友們 |
| 00:29:38,000 | 00:29:40,000 | 這一點要謹記在心 |
| 00:29:40,000 | 00:29:45,000 | 我們一定會照顧到所有的需求 |
| 00:29:45,000 | 00:29:47,000 | 好,時間暫停你請回 |
| 00:29:47,000 | 00:29:49,000 | 時間暫停,請回 |
| 00:29:49,000 | 00:29:53,000 | 院長,我最後要跟你談最頭痛的問題了 |
| 00:29:54,000 | 00:29:56,000 | 就是關於死刑犯 |
| 00:29:56,000 | 00:29:59,000 | 那麼我們37位死刑犯 |
| 00:29:59,000 | 00:30:03,000 | 總算老天懲罰病逝了兩位 |
| 00:30:03,000 | 00:30:05,000 | 那你一上任有槍決一位 |
| 00:30:05,000 | 00:30:07,000 | 但是現在等於還有34位 |
| 00:30:07,000 | 00:30:12,000 | 34位那麼上回政部長也跟我說對 |
| 00:30:12,000 | 00:30:16,000 | 因為現在要請檢察組長是不是要提出上訴 |
| 00:30:16,000 | 00:30:22,000 | 有啦,兩年來提出兩件上訴 |
| 00:30:22,000 | 00:30:24,000 | 兩位死刑犯上訴 |
| 00:30:24,000 | 00:30:26,000 | 所以,部長 |
| 00:30:26,000 | 00:30:29,000 | 兩年來才提出兩位上訴 |
| 00:30:29,000 | 00:30:35,000 | 也就是說檢察總統根據那麼多的狀況證據之後 |
| 00:30:35,000 | 00:30:38,000 | 以他那麼專業的法律見解 |
| 00:30:38,000 | 00:30:40,000 | 他也一年一位 |
| 00:30:40,000 | 00:30:42,000 | 等於兩年兩位 |
| 00:30:42,000 | 00:30:44,000 | 本來我還盡量 |
| 00:30:44,000 | 00:30:46,000 | 五位不是兩位 |
| 00:30:46,000 | 00:30:48,000 | 五位你覺得五位比兩位多 |
| 00:30:48,000 | 00:30:50,000 | 五位就我跟你講的嘛 |
| 00:30:50,000 | 00:30:54,000 | 三位是因為憲法當時解釋的時候 |
| 00:30:54,000 | 00:30:56,000 | 他就同意啦 |
| 00:30:56,000 | 00:30:58,000 | 所以,對,另外有三位 |
| 00:30:58,000 | 00:31:01,000 | 但是那個不是檢察總長提起上訴的 |
| 00:31:01,000 | 00:31:02,000 | 不是 |
| 00:31:02,000 | 00:31:04,000 | 那個是檢察總長提起上訴的 |
| 00:31:04,000 | 00:31:08,000 | 好,你認為五位就很光榮嗎 |
| 00:31:08,000 | 00:31:10,000 | 沒有,就是要嚴格審核 |
| 00:31:10,000 | 00:31:12,000 | 要審核他那個 |
| 00:31:12,000 | 00:31:14,000 | 我們稍微在這個總質詢的時候 |
| 00:31:14,000 | 00:31:16,000 | 說一年槍斃一位 |
| 00:31:16,000 | 00:31:18,000 | 我就說那 |
| 00:31:18,000 | 00:31:22,000 | 三十五位槍斃完我們在座可能都坐谷了 |
| 00:31:22,000 | 00:31:24,000 | 現在更慘 |
| 00:31:24,000 | 00:31:26,000 | 現在原來不是一年要槍斃一位 |
| 00:31:26,000 | 00:31:30,000 | 一年要提起一位的非常上訴 |
| 00:31:30,000 | 00:31:33,000 | 等於就擺明了就是拖延就對了 |
| 00:31:33,000 | 00:31:35,000 | 一年才上訴一位 |
| 00:31:35,000 | 00:31:38,000 | 非常上訴又好幾年 |
| 00:31:38,000 | 00:31:40,000 | 非常上訴的結論 |
| 00:31:40,000 | 00:31:43,000 | 還不曉得怎麼樣搞不好他平反啊 |
| 00:31:43,000 | 00:31:45,000 | 還放他出去咧 |
| 00:31:45,000 | 00:31:46,000 | 好啦 |
| 00:31:46,000 | 00:31:50,000 | 那現在我們連一年槍斃一位 |
| 00:31:50,000 | 00:31:52,000 | 也等不到 |
| 00:31:52,000 | 00:31:55,000 | 我真搞不懂這叫什麼司法正義 |
| 00:31:55,000 | 00:31:58,000 | 所以院長我再一次提醒 |
| 00:31:58,000 | 00:32:03,000 | 這些主張廢死的人就是集體的輸尉 |
| 00:32:03,000 | 00:32:05,000 | 他們我送他們八個字啦 |
| 00:32:05,000 | 00:32:07,000 | 假仁假義 |
| 00:32:07,000 | 00:32:09,000 | 歧視道明 |
| 00:32:10,000 | 00:32:12,000 | 我希望你把這 |
| 00:32:16,000 | 00:32:18,000 | 再再合法承諾一下 |
| 00:32:18,000 | 00:32:21,000 | 那我們就可以把他死掉 |
| 00:32:22,000 | 00:32:24,000 | 司法在這個這個部分 |
| 00:32:24,000 | 00:32:28,000 | 當初原始金地憲法沒有主張廢死啦 |
| 00:32:28,000 | 00:32:33,000 | 美國日本中國現在都還在執行死刑 |
| 00:32:33,000 | 00:32:36,000 | 他們的國家都比我們強比我們大 |
| 00:32:36,000 | 00:32:39,000 | 我們也不要再現象清雷了 |
| 00:32:39,000 | 00:32:41,000 | 我們就要繼續執行 |
| 00:32:41,000 | 00:32:43,000 | 謝謝 |