| IVOD_ID |
171190 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171190 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-6-2 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期第2次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-06T10:47:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-06T11:18:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:31:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
馬文君 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:47:02 - 11:18:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第6會期第2次會議（事由：對行政院院長施政報告進行質詢。） |
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郭台銘 軍委員質詢 |
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14.6 |
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15.88 |
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謝謝主席 |
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15.88 |
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19.64 |
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麻煩請院長還有僑委會委員長 |
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19.64 |
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24.2 |
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好 佐委員長還有僑委會委員長請備詢 |
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30 |
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35 |
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委員好 院長早安 |
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35 |
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43 |
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院長我們接下來已經要審總預算 |
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43 |
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48 |
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今天其實有很多的新聞 |
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48 |
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54 |
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其實大概對於我們僑委會委員長在相關的 |
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54 |
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58 |
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不管是我們可能在公務車輛的運用 |
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58 |
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61 |
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或者在預算的使用 |
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61 |
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66 |
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或者向家人參與我們很多公務行程 |
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66 |
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70 |
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這個部分是不是給委員長一點點時間來說明一下 |
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70 |
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72 |
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謝謝 請委員長 |
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72 |
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73 |
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簡單說明好不好 |
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73 |
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75 |
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感謝馬召偉 |
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75 |
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78 |
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自此我們在公務預算上的使用 |
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78 |
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82 |
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一切都是按照過去相關的法律規定 |
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82 |
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84 |
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所以包括今年以來 |
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84 |
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90 |
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例行性的監察院審計部來檢查之外 |
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90 |
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94 |
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民眾黨的委員還特別要求他們再來檢查一遍 |
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94 |
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98 |
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所以我們事實上在兩三個月內被檢查了兩遍 |
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98 |
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102 |
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兩遍的檢查都很清楚的證明 |
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102 |
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104 |
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所有一切都是依法辦理 |
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104 |
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109 |
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沒有任何圖利個人或有圖利私人的情事發生 |
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109 |
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114 |
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所以這些資料我們一直從2020年一直查到現在 |
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114 |
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117 |
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所以我在這邊可以跟委員做以上的報告 |
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117 |
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121 |
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對於我們在過去對像外交 |
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121 |
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124 |
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像僑務的相關的預算 |
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124 |
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127 |
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其實我們都盡量的去協助 |
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127 |
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130 |
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然後也讓大家可以順利的去執行 |
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130 |
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132 |
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可是如果面臨到這樣的問題 |
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132 |
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134 |
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尤其在很多的預算上面 |
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134 |
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136 |
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剛剛委員長有做簡單的說明 |
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136 |
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139 |
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我們希望後續可以提供更詳細的資料 |
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139 |
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144 |
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因為內外的分計還有公司必須要很明確的分明 |
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144 |
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148 |
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因為這必須要對所有我們的人民去做交代 |
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148 |
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150 |
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因為我們在預算不斷增加的情況底下 |
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150 |
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152 |
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我們還是每一分每一毫 |
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152 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
155 |
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人民的納稅錢都應該要好好的去掌握 |
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155 |
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157 |
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然後去拿捏他的分寸 |
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157 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
160 |
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接下來我想要請教 |
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160 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
162 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
委員長可以請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
162 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
164 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
接下來我想要請教院長 |
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164 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
166 |
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因為我們接下來要審的是 |
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166 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
169 |
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116年度中央政府的總預算 |
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169 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
173 |
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我想要先請您看看這兩個數字 |
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173 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
176 |
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105年度稅出的部分 |
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176 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
180 |
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有一兆9760億 |
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180 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
182 |
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到了116年度 |
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182 |
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185 |
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我們稅出大概3兆9266億 |
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185 |
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10年幾乎整整多了一倍 |
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我們不是拿這個數字來批評 |
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這是行政院自己拿來宣傳的數字 |
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行政院秘書長說稅出的規模翻倍 |
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200 |
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代表台灣國力成長 |
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200 |
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院長預算增加一倍就代表國力增加一倍嗎 |
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205 |
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208 |
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如果這個邏輯可以成立 |
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208 |
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210 |
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那治國真的就太簡單了 |
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210 |
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213 |
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因為明年我們可以編4兆5千億 |
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213 |
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我們國力又增加 |
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214 |
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那後年我們編5兆 |
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216 |
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那我們是不是又更強 |
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217 |
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我們現在要看的是 |
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219 |
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221 |
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今天立法院在審預算 |
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221 |
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224 |
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我們不是只看今年編多少 |
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224 |
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而是我們過去花的錢到底解決了什麼 |
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這十年來我們增加將近兩兆元的支出 |
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232 |
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234 |
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我們想要請教的是 |
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234 |
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237 |
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我們少子化到底解決了沒有 |
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237 |
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241 |
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然後勞保的財務結構解決了沒有 |
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241 |
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健保的財務壓力解決了沒有 |
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248 |
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我們閒置的公共設施減少了沒有 |
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248 |
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251 |
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還有我們能源一遇到國際危機 |
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251 |
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254 |
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還要不要拿幾千億出來補貼 |
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254 |
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或者我們國防採購的價格 |
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有沒有因為採購量變大 |
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或我們國防的預算增加 |
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265 |
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而讓我們的戰力變得更強大 |
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265 |
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268 |
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這些都是我們想要討論的 |
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268 |
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272 |
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或者應該要去重視的預算編列的一個實質內涵 |
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所以預算增加的速度 |
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275 |
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281 |
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我們現在看起來好像遠遠超過我們問題消失的速度 |
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281 |
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283 |
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這是我們今天想要初步做探討的 |
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283 |
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288 |
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因為8月20日行政院正式通過116年度總預算 |
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293 |
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宣布整體國防預算一兆1225億 |
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293 |
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297 |
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不到半個月9月3號又提出追加預算 |
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297 |
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302 |
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國防的部分也篩進了1457億 |
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302 |
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308 |
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到了9月23日總統又把明年國防預算喊到超過1.3兆 |
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308 |
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312 |
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總預算剛過追加預算馬上來 |
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312 |
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318 |
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現在看起來好像這個預算只要能夠送進來 |
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318 |
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321 |
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不管用什麼樣的方式然後不斷的加 |
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323 |
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年度預算屢創新高還不夠 |
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323 |
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326 |
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特別預算也年年編編得不足不夠 |
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326 |
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328 |
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我們又提追加預算 |
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328 |
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331 |
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我們看看這幾年的時間是增加了非常多 |
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331 |
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339 |
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這3兆9266億事實上真的是國家今年全部的帳嗎 |
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339 |
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343 |
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因為我們還有相關的特別預算 |
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343 |
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348 |
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還有追加預算還有基金還有跨年度已經承諾 |
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348 |
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352 |
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可是未來必須要付款的這些相關的支出 |
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352 |
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354 |
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這些其實才是總帳 |
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354 |
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358 |
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所以在這裡我們看到這一次的追加預算裡面 |
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366 |
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又放了6076億其中中油增資大概有2338億 |
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366 |
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369 |
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能源跟民生措施大概1875億 |
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369 |
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372 |
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國防也占了1457億 |
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372 |
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374 |
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當我們看到這些的時候 |
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374 |
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379 |
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因為把它拆成三部分 |
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379 |
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384 |
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這個部分院長有沒有一個簡要的說明 |
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384 |
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386 |
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像這樣的預算我們不斷不斷的編 |
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386 |
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390 |
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我們增加了那麼多我們剛剛講的這些問題到底有沒有解決 |
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390 |
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393 |
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首先委員剛剛第一張的圖卡 |
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393 |
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396 |
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10年來預算倍增國力倍增 |
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396 |
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400 |
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那不代表明年預算再倍增國力就會倍增 |
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400 |
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403 |
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那是用10年的時間大家努力出來的 |
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403 |
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406 |
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每年就持續的緩緩的上升 |
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406 |
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411 |
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即使要國力倍增一倍也不一定預算倍增一倍就夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
411 |
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413 |
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那是要持續累積的 |
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413 |
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415 |
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這個你看這是10年不是一年 |
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415 |
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417 |
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再來您提到的這個少子化 |
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417 |
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423 |
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就是因為我們看到少子化是全世界現在人口減少的未來的一個趨勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
423 |
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427 |
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不僅台灣如此其他世界大部分的國家都如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
429 |
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除非是那個比較開發中的國家 |
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429 |
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433 |
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所以我們就提出了人口對策新戰略 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
433 |
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435 |
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總統所提出人口對策新戰略 |
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435 |
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438 |
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希望從不僅從生育而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
從托育從教育從居住從職場 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
從職場都全面來調整讓大家能夠願意生 |
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445 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
那國防也是如此 |
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447 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
450 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
大家也知道現在一般的工程金額都往下再加 |
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450 |
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455 |
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況且是軍工的這個採購 |
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455 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
458 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
那我們採購的越精密的越先進的這些武器 |
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458 |
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460 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
當然要付出更多的 |
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460 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
那現在我們的科技成長又這麼快 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
462 |
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465 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
每一座金圓廠起來都是數百億數千億的這樣的投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
465 |
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470 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
那為了政府可以提供更多的工業區科學園區產業園區 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
我們必須說更多的土地的開發 |
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472 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
476 |
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土地的取得跟開發成本都遠遠超過以前 |
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476 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
那現在我們又對中小微企業又對治水 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
要全面來做更多的投入 |
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482 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
四年治水一千億 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
八年中小微加碼一千億 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
這個都是過去所沒有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
489 |
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491 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
所以很希望委員能夠支持政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
是在這個環境底下要做好基礎建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
做好發展保護國家 |
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495 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
要照顧到人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
要顧慮到人口對策的新戰略 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
501 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
這個是全面性的一個規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
501 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
院長這些問題我們都知道它確實存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
505 |
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507 |
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可是因為我們每年編的預算 |
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507 |
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509 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
我們必須要看到它的成果 |
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509 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
今天會講到超編、幅編 |
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511 |
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514 |
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我們先把這個定義把它講清楚 |
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514 |
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516 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
因為不是預算大它就叫幅編 |
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516 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
519 |
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如果說我們國防需要增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
那就編 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
如果我們的老人變多 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
長照需要增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
那也應該編 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
該照顧人民的錢本來就應該花 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
可是我們現在要探討的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
當我們增加這麼多的預算的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
它的成果到底是什麼 |
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533 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
537 |
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我們現在可以來簡單的看一下 |
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537 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
因為我們這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
在追加預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
我們看到這個一千國防的部分 |
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545 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
一千四百五十幾億 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
將近一千五百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
這個裡面它其中有含了無人機的部分 |
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553 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
555 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
一個就是濱海堅真型無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
555 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
還有濱海攻擊型無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
另外還有一個小型自殺無人艇 |
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561 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
這三項加起來總共五百五十九億 |
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565 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
追加預算現在都已經十月了 |
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568 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
你明年在我們剛通過的特別條例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
也有這三項 |
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573 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
因為你們說要列進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
所以在那兩千 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
原來行政院只提了兩千一百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
在野黨甚至提高到兩千四百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
可是為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
可是為什麼我們在追加預算還要編這三個 |
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588 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
592 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
這三項在追加預算占了五百五十九億 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
592 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
如果它那麼重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
你當時你在特別條例的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
為什麼只有兩千一百億 |
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599 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
你直接變成兩千七百億就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
為什麼沒有編 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
你現在突然又用追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
聽慧莉法院不准編特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
院長你沒有聽清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
你才剛通過特別條例 |
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612 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
就是無人機的部分 |
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614 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
無人機我們通過兩千四百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
裡面已經含了我剛剛講的這三行 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
你用年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
你那個是用年度預算 |
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625 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
不是用特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
院長你剛自己提過通過的特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
顯然你並沒有進入狀況 |
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635 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
在我們通過的條例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
部長說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
640 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
我們這三項有沒有在我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
640 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
沒有通過特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
我們行政院版提出來的特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
立法院並沒有通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
我們現在通過的不是行政院版 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
我們通過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
所以您通過的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
656 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
你們 桂園通過的是那個年度預算 |
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656 |
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657 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
因為這跟委員稍微解釋一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
在通過的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
我們在一百一十六年度的總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
665 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
已經編進 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
665 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
667 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
原來通過的時間點 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
667 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
通過時間點是在我們總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
670 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
已經提出去之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
670 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
不准我們提出特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
因此不准我們提出特別預算的情況之下 |
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675 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
678 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
我們只好用追加預算的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
678 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
680 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
追加預算也是年度預算的一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
680 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
682 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
所以我們是按照 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
682 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
桂園所通過的法例 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
686 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
我們來放在我們的年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
686 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
只是我們希望能夠加速的進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
691 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
因此我們放在追加預算 |
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691 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
693 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
追加預算也是屬於年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
693 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
部長您說錯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
697 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
因為行政院自己就提出了兩千一百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
697 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
699 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
我要再強調一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
699 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
你們也提出了兩千一百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
後來通過特別預算 |
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703 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
希望放在年度預算是在野黨提出的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
711 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
可是當你們提出兩千一百億的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
711 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
並沒有把這 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
濱海型跟濱海艱真型 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
716 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
濱海攻擊型 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
716 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
還有小型自殺無人體 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
放在那裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
如果它那麼重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
你們在兩千一百億裡面的特別條例的預算裡面就會提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
我們兩千一百億就是擺這幾型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
732 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
那我擺了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
732 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
後來立法院不是一直在討論嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
討論的時間點 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
決定不通過的時間點 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
740 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
如果它已經在那裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
740 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
742 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
如果它已經在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
742 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
746 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
如果你追加預算就不用再編了 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
746 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
748 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
因為你已經有這三型 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
748 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
明年的預算公布預算裡面也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
752 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
這個我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
752 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
756 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
委員您的時間上我們可能要稍微排序一下這整個的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
756 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
本來這個特別條例當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
要編特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
結果大院通過的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
763 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
一個那個條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
763 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
那個不叫特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
766 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
但是用年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
766 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
所以我們就沒有特別預算可以編 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
所以我們就把明年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
本來要編特別預算那部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
用追加預算編在今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
775 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
追加預算也是年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
775 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
部長的意思是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
我們今年的預算什麼時候確定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
什麼時候送的 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
明年116年預算什麼時候送 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
8月底送 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
787 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
8月底 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
787 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
我們特別預算我們是什麼時候送 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
我們沒有特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
794 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
794 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
如果你們要講這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
特別條例2100 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
800 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
我們特別條例一直在立法院審議當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
800 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
什麼時候送的 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
如果你們要說時間點 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
您講的是特別條例嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
806 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
對 |
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806 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
807 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
特別條例的 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
807 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
我們是在應該去年就已經提出來的特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
後來就一直討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
那貴院也很多版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
後來等到通過 |
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817 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
820 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
去年的時候有沒有這三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
820 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
去年再放在特別條例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
824 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
有這幾款的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
824 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
826 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
跟無人艇 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
826 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
828 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
我們就打算用特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
828 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
830 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
所以他們的需求你們早就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
830 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
831 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
831 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
833 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
所以這559億 |
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833 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
834 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
如果追加預算沒有過 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
834 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
835 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
這個沒有過 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
835 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
836 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
它到底重不重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
836 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
837 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
到底需不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
837 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
841 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
因為你們在特別條例裡面已經通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
841 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
844 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
我們沒有通過特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
844 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
845 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
沒有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
845 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
848 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
我們沒有通過我們的特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
848 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
851 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
立法院通過的2400億 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
851 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
854 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
甚至比你們通過的2100億還要高 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
854 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
856 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
我們就是追求立法院的決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
856 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
857 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
用年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
857 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
858 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
講完 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
858 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
861 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
它的差別只在於放在年度預算或特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
861 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
863 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
可是它已經通過了2400億 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
863 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
866 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
再加上明年116年以後的年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
866 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
868 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
它每年有400億 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
868 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
870 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
你現在又追加預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
870 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
872 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
把這三行等於一樣的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
872 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
875 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
你在追加預算又放了559億 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
875 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
876 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
如果這個這麼重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
876 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
878 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
你在2100億以內 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
878 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
879 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
那時候就會放了 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
879 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
881 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
我們現在沒有時間跟你 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
881 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
883 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
跟委員我們先第一進一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
883 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
追加預算四年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
889 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
我們因為它的急迫性 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
889 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
891 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
因此我們用追加預算的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
891 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
892 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
遵循大院的指示 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
892 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
893 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
現在10月份 |
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893 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
894 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
部長明告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
894 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
896 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
現在10月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
896 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
897 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
已經10月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
897 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
899 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
追加預算如果通過以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
899 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
900 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
你再來買這三行 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
900 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
902 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
你說有急迫性 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
902 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
903 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
如果它那麼急迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
903 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
907 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
你之前放在特別條例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
907 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
909 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
2100億就應該要放了 |
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909 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
910 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
這是第一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
910 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
912 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
第二點如果它那麼急迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
912 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
914 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
你現在都已經接近年底 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
914 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
916 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
你即時完成採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
916 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
918 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
廠商也不可能1月1號就交給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
918 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
921 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
所以不要拿這樣子的一個說詞 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
921 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
923 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
來把所有的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
923 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
926 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
你全部都搞亂了 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
926 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
928 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
你有特別的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
928 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
930 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
你有我們的年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
930 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
932 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
另外還有一筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
932 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
935 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
現在的追加預算都已經10月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
935 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
937 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
你什麼時候要執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
937 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
938 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
你為什麼追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
938 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
939 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
是這個時候送出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
939 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
941 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
好我們現在沒有很多的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
941 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
944 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
116年度的年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
944 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
946 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
不及編列放進去這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
946 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
947 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
不及編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
947 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
950 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
因為當時特別條例前所為 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
950 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
951 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
你出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
951 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
特別條例出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
953 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
部長聽我講完 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
953 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
956 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
你在1.25兆已經有放進這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
956 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
958 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
結果你那時候沒有通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
958 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
962 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
你在今年的明年的年度預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
962 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
963 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
你不及放進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
963 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
965 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
所以可見你這麼不重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
965 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
967 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
你現在最重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
967 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
969 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
其實只是想要把錢存出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
969 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
970 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
不是委員2100億 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
970 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
972 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
國防自主無人載具當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
972 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
973 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
就是編列這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
973 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
976 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
但是大院並沒有通過那個特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
976 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
977 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
無人載具的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
977 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
978 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
我們在委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
978 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
980 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
在審查預算的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
980 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
982 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
還會再補一部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
982 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
984 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
國防自主無人載具的設備條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
984 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
986 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
你們通過了一個條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
986 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
987 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
那不叫特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
987 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
988 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
所以我們沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
988 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
990 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
依序來編特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
990 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
992 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
因此要編年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
992 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
994 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
那為了明年來不及 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
994 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
996 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
我們就編今年的最佳預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
996 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
997 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
我們剛剛已經說過 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
997 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
998 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
他們來不及的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
998 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
1002 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
現在我們在講到時候審查預算的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
1002 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
1003 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
我們會一一的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
1003 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
1005 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
那你花了這麼多的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
1005 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
1007 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
到底買了什麼樣的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
1007 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
1009 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
而且一次要到位 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
1009 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
1011 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
這個到時候可能還是必須要說清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
1011 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
1014 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
因為在接下來我舉幾個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
1014 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
1017 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
就針對我們在預算部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
1017 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
1019 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
他所編列的一些狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
1019 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
1021 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
我們在最佳預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
1021 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
1023 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
除了剛剛我說的那三型 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
1023 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
1025 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
無人載具以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
1025 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
1028 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
另外還有一個機動阻絕器材 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
1028 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
1029 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
1029 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
1033 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
我們可能有在軍事上面的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
1033 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
1035 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
可是我們要看的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
1035 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
1039 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
這個部分同樣叫做機動阻絕器材 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
1039 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
1046 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
我們在最佳預算的時候編了22億9264萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
1046 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
1048 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
您說機動阻絕器材 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
1048 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
1053 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
我們在115年的最佳預算是編了43萬8千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
1053 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
1055 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
那就更可笑了 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
1055 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
1058 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
你總經費22億 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
1058 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
1062 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
機動阻絕器材的總經費沒有到22億 |
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1062 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
1065 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
有你自己看一下你們編的預算 |
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1065 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
1072 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
最佳預算清清楚楚的表格寫了22億9千多萬 |
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1072 |
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1074 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
今年第一年45萬 |
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1074 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
1077 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
這個才是他詭譎的地方 |
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1077 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
1082 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
你全案量22億9等於23億 |
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1082 |
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1086 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
可是你今年第一年你才用45億 |
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1086 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
1088 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
等於你頭過心就過 |
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1088 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
1090 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
45億一旦過了 |
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1090 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
1092 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
然後照表過了以後就 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
1092 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
1095 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
跟委員報告說連日預算都是分開來審 |
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1095 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
1098 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
最佳預算跟年度預算都是每年 |
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1098 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
1100 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
然後也是分開來審 |
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1100 |
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1102 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
部長他是全案 |
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1102 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
1103 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
你已經當了那麼多年的部長 |
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1103 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
1104 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
我相信你很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
1104 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
1108 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
我現在講的我們先來探討的這個部分是說 |
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1108 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
1112 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
你在預算編列上面是不是有浮編超編 |
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1112 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
1114 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
剛剛這個機動阻絕器材 |
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1114 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
1118 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
我們在最佳預算編了23億 |
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1118 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
1123 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
要買356套 |
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1123 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
1127 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
美軍一樣他們也有機動阻絕器材 |
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1127 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
1132 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
他們是國防後勤局DLA公開的售價 |
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1132 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
1137 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
他們一套大概是台幣180萬左右 |
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1137 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
1144 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
我們編列的預算一套大概要644萬 |
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1144 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
1149 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
我們等於是美軍的幾乎四倍的價格 |
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1149 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
1152 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
也就是我們編了23億的金額 |
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1152 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
1158 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
美軍只要不到5億元就可以買到這樣子的一個套數主數 |
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1158 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
1160 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
甚至美國這是後勤局 |
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1160 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
1164 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
他們自己均規的這樣子的一個成熟的產品 |
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1164 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
1167 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
所以我們在講這個是第一個例子 |
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1167 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
1168 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
就是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
1168 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
1171 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
跟委員報告您講的那個20幾億的這個金額 |
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1171 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
1174 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
我印象當中我可能要回去確認一下 |
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1174 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
1176 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
並不是全案有這麼多的金額 |
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1176 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
1177 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
這是第一點 |
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1177 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
1182 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
第二點我們115年最佳預算的編列是辦理先期準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
1182 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
1183 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
同樣的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
1183 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
1187 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
機動阻絕器材在我們116年的年度預算也有編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
1187 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
1190 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
相關編列的這個實際的情況下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
1190 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
1194 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
再查明這個相關的金額以後再跟委員報告 |
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1194 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
1198 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
但是我也不要隨便用浮編爛編這個話來說明 |
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1198 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
1200 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
那已經是浮編超編 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
1200 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
1202 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
為什麼舉這個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
1202 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
1206 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
我們之前剛通過的那個特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
1206 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
1208 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
我們放在普發1萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
1208 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
1211 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
就前年的通過的那去年初吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
1211 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
1213 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
還是前年底 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
1213 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
1215 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
就是我們說戰備水 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
1215 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
1218 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
你從8塊變120塊一樣的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
1218 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
1220 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
我們現在說你可以買 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
1220 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
1223 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
他如果是必要的你可以買 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
1223 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
1225 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
我現在已經把美軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
1225 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
1228 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
他的金額已經公開的告訴你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
1228 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
1231 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
美國這是後勤局他們公開的 |
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1232 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
1234 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
他們採購的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
1234 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
1236 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
他一套就是180萬左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
1236 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
1237 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
而且還是軍規的 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
1237 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
1240 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
我們現在一套644元 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
1240 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
1241 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
你可以分批買 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
1241 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
1242 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
那不重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
1242 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
1245 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
可是你第一年45萬的招標 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
1245 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
1246 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
下作業費 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
1246 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
1247 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
如果下去以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
1247 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
1249 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
後面就是22億 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
1249 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
1250 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
22億23億 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
1250 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
1252 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
我們現在要講的是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
1252 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
1254 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
你在前端如果沒有掌控好 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
1254 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
1257 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
你後端比別人多出好幾倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
1257 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
1258 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
去買一樣的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
1258 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
1260 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
而且他還不見得那麼好 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
1260 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
1261 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
這是第一個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
1261 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
1264 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
第二個我們還有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
1264 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
1268 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
在總預算裡面海軍新型救難艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
1268 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
1270 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
當年全案的計畫經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
1270 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
1273 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
一艘就是36.58億 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
1274 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
1276 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
當時國會已經追問說 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
1276 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
1278 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
為什麼要花那麼多的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
1278 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
1281 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
因為你不能只造一艘大型的拖船 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
1281 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
1284 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
把真正的水下救援能力也應該做進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
1284 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
1286 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
因為那時候我們要發展潛艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
1286 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
1289 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
所以後來首艦也確實納入了 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
1289 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
1290 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
100公尺的潛水中 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
1290 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
1293 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
還有500公尺水下ROV |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
1293 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
1296 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
這個價格都是可以比較的 |
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1296 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
1301 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
美軍現在5000噸級的拖帶打撈救難艦 |
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1301 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
1304 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
他公開造價大概新台幣20億 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
1304 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
1307 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
我們的3250噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
1307 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
1309 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
比美軍的5000噸還要小 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
1309 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
1312 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
可是我們全案是36.58億 |
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1312 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
1315 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
這是首件我們已經完成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
1315 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
1317 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
可是我們在明年編的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
1317 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
1320 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
一艘變成多少錢你們知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
1320 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
1323 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
105.81億 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
1323 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
1328 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
要造兩艘變成211.62億 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
1328 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
1330 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
平均一艘 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
1330 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
1333 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
我們原來第一艘已經比美國的還要貴了 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
1333 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
1336 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
可是我們現在第二艘跟第三艘 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
1336 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
1343 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
我們平均造價比我們原來的高出2.89倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
1343 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
1346 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
每一艘多了69億 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
1346 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
1347 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
他到底增加什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
1347 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
1350 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
我們現在為什麼要特別出來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
1350 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
1353 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
我們有浮邊的狀況操邊的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
1353 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
1356 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
就是因為你原來的船 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
1356 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
1358 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
三十幾億就已經比別人高 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
1358 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
1361 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
那你現在明年變到一艘變成100多億 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
1361 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
1363 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
這樣要怎麼說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
1364 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
1365 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
跟委員報告 |
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1365 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
1367 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
我想你現在提出來的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
1367 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
1370 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
因為我手上沒有現成的資料可以回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
1370 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
1374 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
但是我們相關的建案的計畫你也都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
1374 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
1377 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
我們從這個需求到這個細分的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
1377 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
1381 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
我們都會做這個成本會做相關的一些分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
1381 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
1383 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
那我們出來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
1383 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
1385 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
如果委員有疑議 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
1385 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
1388 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
我們會找時間跟委員做一個進一步的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
1388 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
1391 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
但如果說現在委員在院會上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
1391 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
1394 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
那你提出來提出這樣的一個金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
1394 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
1397 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
我現在在現場上沒有辦法做核實 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
1397 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
1401 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
然後就一家人去指控說浮邊如何等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
1401 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
1406 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
我覺得這樣的質詢方式是不公平的 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
1406 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
1407 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
那個不是不公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
1407 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
1409 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
因為我們已經有查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
1409 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
1413 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
他當時是因為為什麼一直在增加後面的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
1413 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
1418 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
他兩艘變成增加了3.5倍以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
1418 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
1419 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
3.5倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
1419 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
1421 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
你就造船而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
1421 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
1423 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
我們今天就說他是可以比較的 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
1423 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
1425 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
如果你做得再好 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
1425 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
1427 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
你甚至都可以比美軍的還要好 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
1427 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
1429 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
那你說你增加那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
1429 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
1430 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
委員是有什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
1430 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
1431 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
我們增加的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
1431 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
1432 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
院長你先聽我講完 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
1432 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
1435 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
我們當時增加這麼多的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
1435 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
1437 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
只有一個很重要的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
1437 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
1439 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
沒有人來標 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
1439 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
1441 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
所以這個部分部長如果覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
1441 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
1443 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
你還有要說明的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
1443 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
1444 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
你到時候可以說 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
1444 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
1446 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
因為這是我們看到的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
1446 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
1448 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
他增加幅度非常高 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
1448 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
1450 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
然後我們覺得不合理的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
1450 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
1452 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
所以我今天特別提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
1452 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
1454 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
所以我們就整體的預算來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
1454 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
1456 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
精確數字再請部長跟委員來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
1456 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
1459 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
我想到時候委員會審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
1459 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
1462 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
委員都有很多的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
1462 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
1464 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
我們一定會跟委員做一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
1464 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
1466 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
一方面也說明這個新照件 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
1466 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
1468 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
他本身內容配備 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
1468 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
1471 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
維護條件等等或許容許有不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
1471 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
1473 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
這個再請部長能夠詳細說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
1473 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
1475 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
這個部分你們後續可以說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
1475 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
1477 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
因為我是先提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
1477 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
1481 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
我們還要討論的主要是 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
1481 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
1483 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
因為今天是總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
1483 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
1485 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
可是國防預算為什麼特別提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
1485 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
1488 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
我只是簡單舉兩個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
1488 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
1490 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
他後面還有非常的多 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
1490 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
1492 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
在委員會我們會持續的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
1492 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
1494 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
因為國防預算已經占了 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
1494 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
1496 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
我們所有整體總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
1496 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
1498 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
你只要花三塊四塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
1498 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
1500 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
就一塊是花在國防上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
1500 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
1502 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
所以我們希望他每一筆預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
1502 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
1504 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
其實都可以精準到位 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
1504 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
1506 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
真的可以增加我們的戰力 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
1506 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
1508 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
他不會被浪費掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
1508 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
1510 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
這是我們今天特別提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
1510 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
1511 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
所以不只國防 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
1511 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
1515 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
我們現在提到剛剛我們一開始講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
1515 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
1517 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
少子化的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
1517 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
1520 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
我們在預算如果單價變貴 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
1520 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
1522 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
其實更值得警惕的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
1522 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
1524 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
我們的錢每年增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
1524 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
1526 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
可是問題一直在惡化 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
1526 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
1528 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
剛剛院長提到的本席同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
1528 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
1530 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
就是在全球很多國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
1530 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
1532 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
其實都面臨少子化的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
1532 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
1535 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
這個真的是一個重大的國安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
1535 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
1537 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
大家也都在尋求解決的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
1537 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
1540 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
可是我們自己也有自己解決的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
1540 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
1541 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
因為我們有不同的國情 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
1541 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
1543 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
我們不同的整體的環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
1543 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
1545 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
那我們錢每年增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
1545 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
1547 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
116年度育兒相關津貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
1547 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
1550 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
已經編到2101億 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
1550 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
1553 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
114年度我們總生育率 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
1553 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
1555 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
只有0.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
1555 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
1557 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
所以立法院預算中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
1557 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
1559 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
他的評估也指出 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
1559 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
1561 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
就是相關的這個預算支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
1561 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
1564 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
其實沒有辦法提升我們的生育率 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
1564 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
1566 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
其實他效果是有限的 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
1566 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
1567 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
我們要探討的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
1567 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
1570 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
我們這樣編列相關的2千多億的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
1570 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
1574 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
我們是想要買什麼樣的政策成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
1574 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
1576 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
因為不是說我們錢越編越高 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
1576 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
1578 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
然後補助越來越多就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
1578 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
1580 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
就像我們如果人生病了 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
1580 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
1583 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
我們每吃了多年的藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
1583 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
1586 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
然後狀況病狀還在惡化當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
1586 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
1588 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
醫生不能告訴我們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
1588 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
1590 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
你劑量再增加就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
1590 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
1592 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
我們要的是他真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
1592 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
1595 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
是不是可以去解決我們的病症 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
1595 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
1596 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
少子化也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
1596 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
1598 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
他已經形成國安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
1598 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
1601 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
因為少子化變成我們的警察消防 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
1601 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
1602 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
我們的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
1602 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
1603 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
我們的醫護人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
1603 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
1604 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
我們的勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
1604 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
1605 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
我們的農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
1605 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
1609 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
我們的就是年輕化的這一些部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
1609 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
1612 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
還有包括我們的軍人什麼都缺 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
1612 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
1615 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
其實他已經造成我們很大的國安的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
1615 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
1617 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
所以我們才希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
1617 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
1619 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
我們編列預算我們可以支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
1619 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
1622 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
我們也可以做更多的一些相關的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
1622 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
1624 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
可是他必須要達到效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
1624 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
1629 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
如果我們這兩千一百多億預算編列下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
1629 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
1632 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
我們明年很具體的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
1632 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
1634 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
我們希望生育率可以達到多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
1634 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
1636 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
因為總是要有一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
1636 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
1639 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
你之前是零點六六八多 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
1639 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
1641 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
那是不是明年可以到零點七 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
1641 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
1643 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
零點七五還是到零點八 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
1643 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
1645 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
這個跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
1645 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
1647 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
所以我們也謝謝委員剛剛一直提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
1647 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
1648 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
國防也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
1648 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
1649 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
這個少子化也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
1649 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
1651 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
我們需要的委員都會支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
1651 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
1653 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
我也希望爭取委員的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
1653 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
1655 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
那我們在推出人口對策新戰略之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
1655 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
1657 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
提出了安心休養 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
1657 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
1659 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
加碼教育強化托育 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
1659 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
1662 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
以及友善職場跟劇組減壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
1662 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
1665 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
那我最近參加了好幾場的聯合婚禮 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
1665 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
1667 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
我跟你們講 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
1667 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
1668 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
我跟你們講 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
1668 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
1669 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
簽了好幾場聯合婚禮 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
1669 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
1671 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
對數都增加了 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
1671 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
1672 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
但是一年內 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
1672 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
1674 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
我們都沒有辦法看到成績 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
1674 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
1676 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
一定要一年以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
1676 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
1677 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
甚至兩年以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
1677 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
1678 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
才這個成績才會出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
1678 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
1680 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
那這一年我們盡量鼓勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
1680 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
1683 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
這個社會結婚的氛圍能夠多一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
1683 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
1686 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
生小孩的大家的勇氣能夠大一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
1686 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
1688 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
那我們來支持這樣的育兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
1688 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
1690 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
今天相關的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
1690 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
1692 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
你簡單的說一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
1692 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
1694 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
明年希望達到的育兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
1694 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
1696 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
就是我們的生兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
1696 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
1698 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
就是我們的出生率 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
1698 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
1699 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
可以達到多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
1699 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
1700 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
你是不是可以簡單的 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
1700 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
1701 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
可以有一個數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
1701 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
1703 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
一年內是不可能增加太多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
1703 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
1706 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
因為我們是推的政策推出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
1706 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
1707 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
但是一年內會鼓勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
1707 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
1710 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
原來不想生的趕快生 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
1710 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
1712 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
所以我們在訂這個目標的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
1712 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
1714 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
我希望先止住 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
1714 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
1716 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
不要再往下掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
1716 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
1718 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
第一年的目標先止住 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
1718 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
1720 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
現在剩下的不要往下掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
1720 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
1722 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
以後再逐年慢慢慢慢的回升 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
1722 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
1725 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
所以如果說先止住 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
1725 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
1727 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
今年如果沒有辦法止住呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
1727 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
1729 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
那我們就來檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
1729 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
1730 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
這個政策哪裡還不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
1730 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
1732 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
或者執行上是不是有缺漏 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
1732 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
1734 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
因為我們旁邊的韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
1734 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
1736 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
其實我們之前跟韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
1736 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
1738 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
大概都是在末端的一二名 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
1738 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
1740 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
可是現在我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
1740 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
1742 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
其實他有一些已經有具體的成效了 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
1742 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
1744 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
如果說我們相關的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
1744 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
1746 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
可以去取經 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
1746 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
1748 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
我覺得對我們可能還是有好多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
1748 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
1749 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
我們也有接近 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
1749 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
1751 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
包括韓國鄰近國家的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
1751 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
1753 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
我們都有拿來參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
1753 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
1755 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
才推出這個人口對策新戰略 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
1755 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
1756 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
家庭支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
1756 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
1758 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
因為其實可能還有很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
1758 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
1760 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
包括我們的公共建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
1760 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
1762 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
因為我們公共建設也增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
1762 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
1764 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
明年也增加了五百多億 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
1764 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
1766 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
應該是有五百多億的預算吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
1766 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
1768 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
然後可是我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
1768 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
1774 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
也發現我們有很多的閒置空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
1774 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
1777 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
有的人你甚至把閒置空間花錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
1777 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
1779 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
去把它活化 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
1779 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
1781 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
活化以後他又閒置了 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
1781 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
1783 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
所以這個也是一個很重要的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
1783 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
1785 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
今天我們探討這些我們總預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
1785 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
1787 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
增加這麼高的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
1787 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
1791 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
有增加這麼多的將近四兆 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
1791 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
1796 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
我們希望這個幾乎翻倍的這個總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
1796 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
1799 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
我們希望台灣其實經濟也變大 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
1799 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
1801 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
政府的責任也變多 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
1801 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
1803 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
預算增加本來就有合理的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
1803 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
1807 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
可是我們只是要替人民多補後半句 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
1807 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
1810 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
就是國力不能只看政府花多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
1810 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
1812 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
包括我們的戰力 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
1812 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
1814 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
因為還要看同樣的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
1814 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
1817 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
是不是需要越來越少的錢才能解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
1817 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
1819 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
我們剛剛講的這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
1819 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
1823 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
其實都是非常迫切需要去改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
1823 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
1825 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
或者需要去調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
1825 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
1828 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
或者急需我們的戰力的去重新 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
1828 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
1830 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
戰力的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
1830 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
1831 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
我們在公建計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
1831 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
1833 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
治水中小圍的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
1833 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
1835 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
科技發展國防經費社福經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
1835 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
1837 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
勞保健保的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
1837 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
1839 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
八大社福的補貼都 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
1844 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
1846 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
好 謝謝 |