iVOD / 171189

Field Value
IVOD_ID 171189
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171189
日期 2026-10-06
會議資料.會議代碼 院會-11-6-2
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 6
會議資料.會次 2
會議資料.種類 院會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第6會期第2次會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2026-10-06T10:30:59+08:00
結束時間 2026-10-06T10:46:34+08:00
影片長度 00:15:35
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員名稱 王義川
委員發言時間 10:30:59 - 10:46:34
會議時間 2026-10-06T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 第11屆第6會期第2次會議(事由:對行政院院長施政報告進行質詢。)
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 好 謝謝副院長 我們現在請卓院長
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 請卓院長備詢
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 教育部長 一起
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 等一下看法務部或衛福部的題目 需要來上來
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 有需要來上來 好不好
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 黃委員好
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 好 院長 我今天最主要是要談校園的課題
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 接下來 院外防治法修法
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 會有一條叫做 持有電子煙 要罰錢
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 題目是這樣 就是說 持有電子煙要罰3到10萬
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 現在校園 部長還是院長 我們的校園準備好了沒
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 卓委員關心 確實我們過去因為電子煙
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 我們在高級中等學校以下 就有處理的一個流程
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 但是因為當時我們從一個比較教育的一個觀點
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 來輔導學生能夠研擬這些煙毒
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 新的這個 遺害防治法 現在在立法院審議
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 它確實有這樣的一個規範
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 我們也會跟這一個 所有的學生家長團體
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 還有這個相關的地方 我們來看怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 還沒問好 問完了沒
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 這個部分我們也已經在進行 包含對用過去
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 因為我們擔心這一個煙毒
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 現在校園有放那個收集盒了嗎
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 這一個 未來大概我們會希望
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 在這裡邊先鼓勵同學
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 如果只有就能夠先能夠防他佼佼
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 我們有創一些收集盒嗎
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 跟委員報告 我們已經先設計好回收盒
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 還沒開始喔
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 已經散布由各地縣市政府去配置點
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 主要是配置在衛生所跟我們公務體系比較相關的點去
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transcript.whisperx[31].text OK好 最主要是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 我們這個電子煙 一開始當然是
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 因為它有防治法裡面新料
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 政府就會來設置相關的回收桶
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 這整個月是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 整個月之後 如果他通過
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transcript.whisperx[37].text 你歡迎通過之後
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transcript.whisperx[38].text 你如果持有的話就有法期
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transcript.whisperx[39].text 不只吸食 持有的話就有法期
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transcript.whisperx[40].text 好 問題來了
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transcript.whisperx[41].text 校園 小朋友一早電子煙
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transcript.whisperx[42].text 他可能是好奇
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transcript.whisperx[43].text 他早上第一次看電子煙
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transcript.whisperx[44].text 上課的時候 輸一顆
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transcript.whisperx[45].text 校隔壁的輸一顆
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transcript.whisperx[46].text 下課的時候
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transcript.whisperx[47].text 一場場的判決 輸一顆
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transcript.whisperx[48].text 現在教育部認為這件事情要怎麼處理
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transcript.whisperx[49].text 我想我們教育部當然這個
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transcript.whisperx[50].text 我們事實上現在每年都會入班去宣導
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transcript.whisperx[51].text 然後包含這裡面一定要讓同學知道
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transcript.whisperx[52].text 現在的法令它是禁止的
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transcript.whisperx[53].text 所以你基本上你如果持有你就變成已經違法
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transcript.whisperx[54].text 違法要怎樣 部長
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transcript.whisperx[55].text 那個現場違法
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transcript.whisperx[56].text 我們過去當然就是先
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transcript.whisperx[57].text 在法令還沒有通過之前
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transcript.whisperx[58].text 我們大概都老師就先幫我們採款
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transcript.whisperx[59].text 老師喔
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transcript.whisperx[60].text 我今天要問的就是老師啦
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transcript.whisperx[61].text 是
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transcript.whisperx[62].text 學校有一些是幫派份子啦
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transcript.whisperx[63].text 這個部長你也清楚
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transcript.whisperx[64].text 國中高中有一些幫派份子
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transcript.whisperx[65].text 那孩子電子煙第一次到後面
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transcript.whisperx[66].text 到後面放在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[67].text 老師說你怎麼帶電子煙
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transcript.whisperx[68].text 我不能帶喔
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transcript.whisperx[69].text 老師你很壞喔 我不能帶喔
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transcript.whisperx[70].text 我有吸食嗎
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transcript.whisperx[71].text 老師你又壞了
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transcript.whisperx[72].text 我講話是幫派份子用這種口氣講
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transcript.whisperx[73].text 我們第一現場的老師要怎麼處理
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transcript.whisperx[74].text 部長你看
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transcript.whisperx[75].text 我們教學現場的老師要怎麼處理
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transcript.whisperx[76].text 所以也跟委員報告感謝委員的一個關心
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transcript.whisperx[77].text 我們確實在從這個月10月1號開始
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transcript.whisperx[78].text 我們就地方全國的這個國中
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transcript.whisperx[79].text 因為我們高中本來就有校安這個
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transcript.whisperx[80].text 校安人員這個協創人力
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transcript.whisperx[81].text 那國中這一個部份過去是沒有
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transcript.whisperx[82].text 我知道你們在國中會加校安人員
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transcript.whisperx[83].text 你們看這一張啦
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transcript.whisperx[84].text 校園裡頭會出現這些東西啦
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transcript.whisperx[85].text 他如果帶刀啦
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transcript.whisperx[86].text 帶槍啦
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transcript.whisperx[87].text 這你們就報警了嘛
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transcript.whisperx[88].text 抓蛤仔帶毒啦
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transcript.whisperx[89].text 他如果帶兵能
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transcript.whisperx[90].text 帶玩具槍
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transcript.whisperx[91].text 帶獨步器具
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transcript.whisperx[92].text 現在還帶另外一種叫電子煙
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transcript.whisperx[93].text 我現在畫的這一個九宮格啊
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transcript.whisperx[94].text 對教育部來說這要怎麼處理
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transcript.whisperx[95].text 一定要界線是對啦
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transcript.whisperx[96].text 第一個喔
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transcript.whisperx[97].text 不要去讓學校教學現場的老師
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transcript.whisperx[98].text 去處理這條
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transcript.whisperx[99].text 老師現在沒辦法處理這
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transcript.whisperx[100].text 那孩子各自各樣啦
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transcript.whisperx[103].text 現在老師沒有要做這個
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transcript.whisperx[110].text A同學說
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transcript.whisperx[116].text 我們確實就是在國中這校安人力
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transcript.whisperx[117].text 增加兩千名的這個校安人力
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transcript.whisperx[119].text 當有學生有類似這樣的
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transcript.whisperx[137].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[141].text 這句話誰要開嘴
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transcript.whisperx[144].text 第一個
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transcript.whisperx[150].text 當作一個違法的行為
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transcript.whisperx[171].text 在教育部把這個人員
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transcript.whisperx[178].text 對吧
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transcript.whisperx[179].text 目前是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[185].text 我也有看到
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transcript.whisperx[202].text 過當
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transcript.whisperx[209].text 這個幫派分子海星的家長
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transcript.whisperx[393].text 要去建立一個可執行的機制
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transcript.whisperx[394].end 916.2
transcript.whisperx[394].text 否則的話
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transcript.whisperx[395].end 918.2
transcript.whisperx[395].text 你們那個流程表畫得再好
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transcript.whisperx[396].end 921.2
transcript.whisperx[396].text 最後那個老師不敢出口出手
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transcript.whisperx[397].end 923.2
transcript.whisperx[397].text 校安人員就不敢問說
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transcript.whisperx[398].end 925.2
transcript.whisperx[398].text 你的電子業務告出來
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transcript.whisperx[399].end 927.2
transcript.whisperx[399].text 他就不敢開口的時候
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transcript.whisperx[400].text 這個機制現場無法執行
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transcript.whisperx[401].end 931.2
transcript.whisperx[401].text 就不好了啦
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transcript.whisperx[402].end 933.2
transcript.whisperx[402].text 以上把這個