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王義川 @ 第11屆第6會期第2次會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:10,800 | 好 謝謝副院長 我們現在請卓院長 |
| 00:00:10,800 | 00:00:12,200 | 請卓院長備詢 |
| 00:00:12,200 | 00:00:14,600 | 教育部長 一起 |
| 00:00:14,600 | 00:00:19,400 | 等一下看法務部或衛福部的題目 需要來上來 |
| 00:00:19,400 | 00:00:21,200 | 有需要來上來 好不好 |
| 00:00:26,400 | 00:00:27,200 | 黃委員好 |
| 00:00:27,200 | 00:00:32,600 | 好 院長 我今天最主要是要談校園的課題 |
| 00:00:32,600 | 00:00:36,600 | 接下來 院外防治法修法 |
| 00:00:36,600 | 00:00:42,200 | 會有一條叫做 持有電子煙 要罰錢 |
| 00:00:42,200 | 00:00:48,000 | 題目是這樣 就是說 持有電子煙要罰3到10萬 |
| 00:00:48,000 | 00:00:54,200 | 現在校園 部長還是院長 我們的校園準備好了沒 |
| 00:00:55,200 | 00:00:58,800 | 卓委員關心 確實我們過去因為電子煙 |
| 00:00:58,800 | 00:01:04,200 | 我們在高級中等學校以下 就有處理的一個流程 |
| 00:01:04,200 | 00:01:09,400 | 但是因為當時我們從一個比較教育的一個觀點 |
| 00:01:09,400 | 00:01:12,200 | 來輔導學生能夠研擬這些煙毒 |
| 00:01:12,200 | 00:01:16,000 | 新的這個 遺害防治法 現在在立法院審議 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:18,200 | 它確實有這樣的一個規範 |
| 00:01:18,200 | 00:01:23,000 | 我們也會跟這一個 所有的學生家長團體 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:26,200 | 還有這個相關的地方 我們來看怎麼樣 |
| 00:01:26,200 | 00:01:29,200 | 還沒問好 問完了沒 |
| 00:01:29,200 | 00:01:34,200 | 這個部分我們也已經在進行 包含對用過去 |
| 00:01:34,200 | 00:01:36,200 | 因為我們擔心這一個煙毒 |
| 00:01:36,200 | 00:01:39,200 | 現在校園有放那個收集盒了嗎 |
| 00:01:41,200 | 00:01:44,200 | 這一個 未來大概我們會希望 |
| 00:01:44,200 | 00:01:46,200 | 在這裡邊先鼓勵同學 |
| 00:01:46,200 | 00:01:51,200 | 如果只有就能夠先能夠防他佼佼 |
| 00:01:51,200 | 00:01:53,200 | 我們有創一些收集盒嗎 |
| 00:01:53,200 | 00:01:57,200 | 跟委員報告 我們已經先設計好回收盒 |
| 00:01:57,200 | 00:01:58,200 | 還沒開始喔 |
| 00:01:58,200 | 00:02:05,200 | 已經散布由各地縣市政府去配置點 |
| 00:02:05,200 | 00:02:10,199 | 主要是配置在衛生所跟我們公務體系比較相關的點去 |
| 00:02:10,199 | 00:02:13,200 | OK好 最主要是這樣 |
| 00:02:13,200 | 00:02:16,200 | 我們這個電子煙 一開始當然是 |
| 00:02:16,200 | 00:02:18,200 | 因為它有防治法裡面新料 |
| 00:02:18,200 | 00:02:22,200 | 政府就會來設置相關的回收桶 |
| 00:02:22,200 | 00:02:24,200 | 這整個月是這樣 |
| 00:02:24,200 | 00:02:26,200 | 整個月之後 如果他通過 |
| 00:02:26,200 | 00:02:28,200 | 你歡迎通過之後 |
| 00:02:28,200 | 00:02:30,200 | 你如果持有的話就有法期 |
| 00:02:30,200 | 00:02:32,200 | 不只吸食 持有的話就有法期 |
| 00:02:32,200 | 00:02:34,200 | 好 問題來了 |
| 00:02:34,200 | 00:02:38,200 | 校園 小朋友一早電子煙 |
| 00:02:38,200 | 00:02:40,200 | 他可能是好奇 |
| 00:02:40,200 | 00:02:42,200 | 他早上第一次看電子煙 |
| 00:02:42,200 | 00:02:44,200 | 上課的時候 輸一顆 |
| 00:02:44,200 | 00:02:46,200 | 校隔壁的輸一顆 |
| 00:02:46,200 | 00:02:47,200 | 下課的時候 |
| 00:02:47,200 | 00:02:50,200 | 一場場的判決 輸一顆 |
| 00:02:50,200 | 00:02:54,200 | 現在教育部認為這件事情要怎麼處理 |
| 00:02:54,200 | 00:02:57,200 | 我想我們教育部當然這個 |
| 00:02:57,200 | 00:03:02,200 | 我們事實上現在每年都會入班去宣導 |
| 00:03:02,200 | 00:03:05,200 | 然後包含這裡面一定要讓同學知道 |
| 00:03:05,200 | 00:03:08,200 | 現在的法令它是禁止的 |
| 00:03:08,200 | 00:03:11,200 | 所以你基本上你如果持有你就變成已經違法 |
| 00:03:11,200 | 00:03:13,200 | 違法要怎樣 部長 |
| 00:03:13,200 | 00:03:15,200 | 那個現場違法 |
| 00:03:15,200 | 00:03:19,200 | 我們過去當然就是先 |
| 00:03:19,200 | 00:03:22,200 | 在法令還沒有通過之前 |
| 00:03:22,200 | 00:03:25,200 | 我們大概都老師就先幫我們採款 |
| 00:03:25,200 | 00:03:26,200 | 老師喔 |
| 00:03:26,200 | 00:03:28,200 | 我今天要問的就是老師啦 |
| 00:03:28,200 | 00:03:29,200 | 是 |
| 00:03:29,200 | 00:03:32,200 | 學校有一些是幫派份子啦 |
| 00:03:32,200 | 00:03:34,200 | 這個部長你也清楚 |
| 00:03:34,200 | 00:03:36,200 | 國中高中有一些幫派份子 |
| 00:03:36,200 | 00:03:39,200 | 那孩子電子煙第一次到後面 |
| 00:03:39,200 | 00:03:42,200 | 到後面放在哪裡 |
| 00:03:42,200 | 00:03:46,200 | 老師說你怎麼帶電子煙 |
| 00:03:46,200 | 00:03:48,200 | 我不能帶喔 |
| 00:03:48,200 | 00:03:52,200 | 老師你很壞喔 我不能帶喔 |
| 00:03:52,200 | 00:03:55,200 | 我有吸食嗎 |
| 00:03:55,200 | 00:03:57,200 | 老師你又壞了 |
| 00:03:57,200 | 00:04:00,200 | 我講話是幫派份子用這種口氣講 |
| 00:04:00,200 | 00:04:03,200 | 我們第一現場的老師要怎麼處理 |
| 00:04:03,200 | 00:04:05,200 | 部長你看 |
| 00:04:05,200 | 00:04:08,200 | 我們教學現場的老師要怎麼處理 |
| 00:04:08,200 | 00:04:11,200 | 所以也跟委員報告感謝委員的一個關心 |
| 00:04:11,200 | 00:04:16,200 | 我們確實在從這個月10月1號開始 |
| 00:04:16,200 | 00:04:19,200 | 我們就地方全國的這個國中 |
| 00:04:19,200 | 00:04:22,200 | 因為我們高中本來就有校安這個 |
| 00:04:22,200 | 00:04:25,200 | 校安人員這個協創人力 |
| 00:04:25,200 | 00:04:27,200 | 那國中這一個部份過去是沒有 |
| 00:04:27,200 | 00:04:30,200 | 我知道你們在國中會加校安人員 |
| 00:04:30,200 | 00:04:32,200 | 你們看這一張啦 |
| 00:04:32,200 | 00:04:35,200 | 校園裡頭會出現這些東西啦 |
| 00:04:35,200 | 00:04:37,200 | 他如果帶刀啦 |
| 00:04:37,200 | 00:04:39,200 | 帶槍啦 |
| 00:04:39,200 | 00:04:41,200 | 這你們就報警了嘛 |
| 00:04:41,200 | 00:04:43,200 | 抓蛤仔帶毒啦 |
| 00:04:43,200 | 00:04:47,200 | 他如果帶兵能 |
| 00:04:47,200 | 00:04:49,200 | 帶玩具槍 |
| 00:04:49,200 | 00:04:51,200 | 帶獨步器具 |
| 00:04:51,200 | 00:04:54,200 | 現在還帶另外一種叫電子煙 |
| 00:04:54,200 | 00:04:56,200 | 我現在畫的這一個九宮格啊 |
| 00:04:56,200 | 00:05:00,200 | 對教育部來說這要怎麼處理 |
| 00:05:00,200 | 00:05:02,200 | 一定要界線是對啦 |
| 00:05:02,200 | 00:05:03,200 | 第一個喔 |
| 00:05:03,200 | 00:05:07,200 | 不要去讓學校教學現場的老師 |
| 00:05:07,200 | 00:05:09,200 | 去處理這條 |
| 00:05:09,200 | 00:05:12,200 | 老師現在沒辦法處理這 |
| 00:05:12,200 | 00:05:15,200 | 那孩子各自各樣啦 |
| 00:05:15,200 | 00:05:18,200 | 你要叫老師說來你的書包裡面有什麼 |
| 00:05:18,200 | 00:05:19,200 | 我現在要跟你敲 |
| 00:05:19,200 | 00:05:20,200 | 現在老師沒有要做這個 |
| 00:05:20,200 | 00:05:22,200 | 這個要給你 |
| 00:05:22,200 | 00:05:25,200 | 問題是以前這有可能就在他的書包裡 |
| 00:05:25,200 | 00:05:27,200 | 在他的身上嘛 |
| 00:05:27,200 | 00:05:29,200 | 來這個教育部現在 |
| 00:05:29,200 | 00:05:31,200 | 跟專科的老師說 |
| 00:05:31,200 | 00:05:33,200 | 你如果知道有同學 |
| 00:05:33,200 | 00:05:34,200 | A同學說 |
| 00:05:34,200 | 00:05:35,200 | 跟老師說 |
| 00:05:35,200 | 00:05:37,200 | 那個B同學的包包裡頭啊 |
| 00:05:37,200 | 00:05:38,200 | 有這些東西 |
| 00:05:38,200 | 00:05:41,200 | 老師怎麼處理 |
| 00:05:41,200 | 00:05:42,200 | 跟我們報告 |
| 00:05:42,200 | 00:05:46,200 | 我們確實就是在國中這校安人力 |
| 00:05:46,200 | 00:05:49,200 | 增加兩千名的這個校安人力 |
| 00:05:49,200 | 00:05:51,200 | 就是希望來協助老師 |
| 00:05:51,200 | 00:05:53,200 | 當有學生有類似這樣的 |
| 00:05:53,200 | 00:05:55,200 | 攜帶一些違禁品的時候 |
| 00:05:55,200 | 00:05:58,200 | 能夠有校安人力能夠協助 |
| 00:05:58,200 | 00:06:00,200 | 到第一線上馬上來協助 |
| 00:06:00,200 | 00:06:01,200 | 老師做這樣的一個 |
| 00:06:01,200 | 00:06:03,200 | 現在有這一張表 |
| 00:06:03,200 | 00:06:04,200 | 這張圖 |
| 00:06:04,200 | 00:06:07,200 | 就是高級中學以下 |
| 00:06:07,200 | 00:06:10,200 | 學校電子菸的處理流程 |
| 00:06:10,200 | 00:06:11,200 | 發現以後 |
| 00:06:11,200 | 00:06:13,200 | 你們的設計原來就是 |
| 00:06:13,200 | 00:06:15,200 | 這電子菸就先保管 |
| 00:06:15,200 | 00:06:18,200 | 進行校安的通報 |
| 00:06:18,200 | 00:06:20,200 | 評估學生的狀況 |
| 00:06:20,200 | 00:06:23,200 | 那如果他確實這個電子菸裡頭 |
| 00:06:23,200 | 00:06:25,200 | 有這些毒品的成分體 |
| 00:06:25,200 | 00:06:27,200 | 有的沒的就沒的 |
| 00:06:27,200 | 00:06:28,200 | 就沒一樣的風險 |
| 00:06:28,200 | 00:06:29,200 | 好 |
| 00:06:29,200 | 00:06:31,200 | 你今天要把下身 |
| 00:06:31,200 | 00:06:33,200 | 叫他扣掉那個電子菸 |
| 00:06:33,200 | 00:06:34,200 | 拿出來 |
| 00:06:34,200 | 00:06:35,200 | 這句話誰要開嘴 |
| 00:06:35,200 | 00:06:36,200 | 誰 |
| 00:06:36,200 | 00:06:38,200 | 報告委員我分幾個方向 |
| 00:06:38,200 | 00:06:39,200 | 第一個 |
| 00:06:39,200 | 00:06:41,200 | 學校衛生法只規定說 |
| 00:06:41,200 | 00:06:45,200 | 禁止吸菸禁止吸電子菸等等 |
| 00:06:45,200 | 00:06:47,200 | 他並沒有把它強制 |
| 00:06:47,200 | 00:06:50,200 | 現在我們在《菸害防治法》正在大院審查 |
| 00:06:50,200 | 00:06:51,200 | 會把這一件持有 |
| 00:06:51,200 | 00:06:53,200 | 當作一個違法的行為 |
| 00:06:53,200 | 00:06:55,200 | 再下來就是如果從 |
| 00:06:55,200 | 00:06:57,200 | 他被我們看到被老師看到 |
| 00:06:57,200 | 00:06:58,200 | 當然我們依法有據 |
| 00:06:58,200 | 00:07:00,200 | 未來卻可以把他沒收 |
| 00:07:00,200 | 00:07:02,200 | 或是他主動提來繳交 |
| 00:07:02,200 | 00:07:04,200 | 誰去把他沒收 |
| 00:07:04,200 | 00:07:05,200 | 現在如果是放在書包 |
| 00:07:05,200 | 00:07:06,200 | 放在隱密的地方 |
| 00:07:06,200 | 00:07:07,200 | 目前來看 |
| 00:07:07,200 | 00:07:09,200 | 我想整個氛圍大概很難 |
| 00:07:09,200 | 00:07:11,200 | 去對學生做身上上的碰觸 |
| 00:07:11,200 | 00:07:14,200 | 或是甚至說類似搜索 |
| 00:07:14,200 | 00:07:16,200 | 那我們也不可能像電視演的 |
| 00:07:16,200 | 00:07:17,200 | 鐵拳教育一樣 |
| 00:07:17,200 | 00:07:18,200 | 有這樣的老師 |
| 00:07:18,200 | 00:07:19,200 | 所以我們希望教安人員 |
| 00:07:19,200 | 00:07:21,200 | 未來我們現在雖然成立 |
| 00:07:21,200 | 00:07:22,200 | 所謂春輝小組 |
| 00:07:22,200 | 00:07:25,200 | 這應該是比較靜態的輔導措施 |
| 00:07:25,200 | 00:07:28,200 | 未來這個教安人員如何執行 |
| 00:07:28,200 | 00:07:31,200 | 在教育部把這個人員 |
| 00:07:31,200 | 00:07:32,200 | 人數人員配置之前 |
| 00:07:32,200 | 00:07:34,200 | 他會做一個教育行前的教育 |
| 00:07:34,200 | 00:07:35,200 | 之前的教育 |
| 00:07:35,200 | 00:07:38,200 | 部長這個院長講得很好 |
| 00:07:38,200 | 00:07:39,200 | 就是說這件事情 |
| 00:07:39,200 | 00:07:41,200 | 要請教安人員去執行 |
| 00:07:42,200 | 00:07:43,200 | 對吧 |
| 00:07:43,200 | 00:07:44,200 | 目前是這樣 |
| 00:07:44,200 | 00:07:45,200 | 我做導師嘛 |
| 00:07:45,200 | 00:07:47,200 | 我知道你孩子扣地面 |
| 00:07:47,200 | 00:07:48,200 | 裡面有電子煙 |
| 00:07:48,200 | 00:07:49,200 | 我知道 |
| 00:07:49,200 | 00:07:50,200 | 我也有看到 |
| 00:07:50,200 | 00:07:51,200 | 我也有看到 |
| 00:07:52,200 | 00:07:54,200 | 我沒辦法去開口 |
| 00:07:54,200 | 00:07:55,200 | 老師沒去開這個口 |
| 00:07:55,200 | 00:07:58,200 | 說你電子煙拿出來 |
| 00:07:58,200 | 00:08:01,200 | 如果打到崩壞分子 |
| 00:08:01,200 | 00:08:03,200 | 他說老師你很壞喔 |
| 00:08:03,200 | 00:08:04,200 | 好 |
| 00:08:04,200 | 00:08:07,200 | 老師你不要增加老師的負擔 |
| 00:08:07,200 | 00:08:10,200 | 好那現在國家決定用校安人員 |
| 00:08:10,200 | 00:08:12,200 | 那校安人員 |
| 00:08:12,200 | 00:08:14,200 | 校安人員去跟他要的時候 |
| 00:08:14,200 | 00:08:15,200 | 他會交出來嗎 |
| 00:08:16,200 | 00:08:17,200 | 他不交呢 |
| 00:08:18,200 | 00:08:19,200 | 部長你有沒有想到這個 |
| 00:08:19,200 | 00:08:20,200 | 校安人員不交 |
| 00:08:20,200 | 00:08:21,200 | 在校園裡頭 |
| 00:08:22,200 | 00:08:25,200 | 如果這個校安人員的動作過當 |
| 00:08:25,200 | 00:08:26,200 | 過當 |
| 00:08:26,200 | 00:08:28,200 | 就是說你給我拿出來 |
| 00:08:28,200 | 00:08:29,200 | 不拿出來 |
| 00:08:29,200 | 00:08:30,200 | 校安人員 |
| 00:08:30,200 | 00:08:33,200 | 他也不是警察也不是什麼都不是 |
| 00:08:33,200 | 00:08:34,200 | 後面喔 |
| 00:08:34,200 | 00:08:37,200 | 今天這個校安人員面臨 |
| 00:08:37,200 | 00:08:41,200 | 這個幫派分子海星的家長 |
| 00:08:41,200 | 00:08:43,200 | 這個幫派分子海星的家長 |
| 00:08:43,200 | 00:08:45,200 | 可能也是幫派分子 |
| 00:08:46,200 | 00:08:48,200 | 他會去派這個校安人員 |
| 00:08:49,200 | 00:08:51,200 | 他也會去救這個校安人員 |
| 00:08:52,200 | 00:08:53,200 | 怎麼處理部長 |
| 00:08:54,200 | 00:08:55,200 | 部長你有什麼看法 |
| 00:08:56,200 | 00:08:57,200 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:08:57,200 | 00:09:00,200 | 我們在委員會審查過程 |
| 00:09:00,200 | 00:09:02,200 | 也有對這個來進行討論 |
| 00:09:02,200 | 00:09:03,200 | 那當時候大家 |
| 00:09:03,200 | 00:09:05,200 | 我們的設計上就是 |
| 00:09:05,200 | 00:09:06,200 | 如果這個 |
| 00:09:07,200 | 00:09:09,200 | 老師沒有辦法暫時保管 |
| 00:09:09,200 | 00:09:10,200 | 因為他只是暫時保管 |
| 00:09:10,200 | 00:09:12,200 | 最後還是要有執法人員 |
| 00:09:12,200 | 00:09:13,200 | 執法人員就是有 |
| 00:09:13,200 | 00:09:16,200 | 暫時這招你做不到 |
| 00:09:17,200 | 00:09:20,200 | 是由我們衛生局的機察人員 |
| 00:09:20,200 | 00:09:22,200 | 就是電子煙害防災機察人員 |
| 00:09:22,200 | 00:09:24,200 | 或者是警察來協助 |
| 00:09:24,200 | 00:09:26,200 | 然後最後把他做 |
| 00:09:26,200 | 00:09:27,200 | 我們來講一下交易現場 |
| 00:09:27,200 | 00:09:28,200 | 我記一下 |
| 00:09:28,200 | 00:09:30,200 | 假如說加印縣 |
| 00:09:30,200 | 00:09:33,200 | 剛好今天早上5點通報 |
| 00:09:33,200 | 00:09:36,200 | 5點通報這個事情通報 |
| 00:09:36,200 | 00:09:38,200 | 我們的衛生局的 |
| 00:09:38,200 | 00:09:40,200 | 沒有資料處理這個 |
| 00:09:40,200 | 00:09:41,200 | 疲於奔命 |
| 00:09:42,200 | 00:09:44,200 | 你說叫衛生處理不可能 |
| 00:09:44,200 | 00:09:46,200 | 他可能是海邊的議題 |
| 00:09:46,200 | 00:09:48,200 | 可能是山頂的筆記 |
| 00:09:48,200 | 00:09:50,200 | 就是這件事情 |
| 00:09:50,200 | 00:09:52,200 | 院長我剛講完這個 |
| 00:09:52,200 | 00:09:54,200 | 我們每次下課都在幹人家的事 |
| 00:09:54,200 | 00:09:57,200 | 警察會先叫我去幹人家的事 |
| 00:09:57,200 | 00:09:59,200 | 校園因為有學生 |
| 00:09:59,200 | 00:10:01,200 | 那學生這個校園裡頭的 |
| 00:10:01,200 | 00:10:03,200 | 學生的人權 |
| 00:10:03,200 | 00:10:05,200 | 學生的這些事情 |
| 00:10:05,200 | 00:10:07,200 | 我希望院長這個 |
| 00:10:07,200 | 00:10:10,200 | 是不是看什麼人來整合 |
| 00:10:10,200 | 00:10:12,200 | 因為這個跟教育部有關 |
| 00:10:12,200 | 00:10:13,200 | 衛福部也有關 |
| 00:10:13,200 | 00:10:14,200 | 首先說當然我們在 |
| 00:10:14,200 | 00:10:16,200 | 院外防治法修法之後 |
| 00:10:16,200 | 00:10:18,200 | 我們一定會要求校園裡面 |
| 00:10:18,200 | 00:10:20,200 | 加強對學生宣導說 |
| 00:10:20,200 | 00:10:21,200 | 以後是不能持有 |
| 00:10:21,200 | 00:10:23,200 | 這個一定要先灌輸 |
| 00:10:23,200 | 00:10:24,200 | 這先處理 |
| 00:10:24,200 | 00:10:26,200 | 現場我在傳調 |
| 00:10:26,200 | 00:10:29,200 | 不要讓學校的老師 |
| 00:10:29,200 | 00:10:30,200 | 增加負擔 |
| 00:10:30,200 | 00:10:33,200 | 現在的老師很可憐 |
| 00:10:33,200 | 00:10:36,200 | 有的教育部再來再去 |
| 00:10:36,200 | 00:10:38,200 | 老師小學老師也很可憐 |
| 00:10:38,200 | 00:10:40,200 | 禮拜三的外婆都在處理 |
| 00:10:40,200 | 00:10:42,200 | 我想教育部長也很清楚 |
| 00:10:42,200 | 00:10:45,200 | 這個先不要消失會議的事情 |
| 00:10:45,200 | 00:10:46,200 | 你也很清楚 |
| 00:10:46,200 | 00:10:47,200 | 所以不要讓第一線的老師 |
| 00:10:47,200 | 00:10:48,200 | 增加負擔 |
| 00:10:48,200 | 00:10:51,200 | 第二個就是校安人員 |
| 00:10:51,200 | 00:10:53,200 | 校安人員會不會以後 |
| 00:10:53,200 | 00:10:56,200 | 成為校安問題 |
| 00:10:56,200 | 00:10:58,200 | 校安人員也有不適任的 |
| 00:10:58,200 | 00:10:59,200 | 退場機制 |
| 00:10:59,200 | 00:11:02,200 | 我們現在對校安人員的進場 |
| 00:11:02,200 | 00:11:05,200 | 進場有什麼機制 |
| 00:11:05,200 | 00:11:06,200 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:11:06,200 | 00:11:08,200 | 我們現在目前規劃的 |
| 00:11:08,200 | 00:11:11,200 | 校安人員當然有地方來聘聘 |
| 00:11:11,200 | 00:11:14,200 | 但是他至少在聘聘的過程 |
| 00:11:14,200 | 00:11:15,200 | 他有一些規範 |
| 00:11:15,200 | 00:11:18,200 | 譬如說教育人員任用條例 |
| 00:11:18,200 | 00:11:21,200 | 違反37條裡邊的相關規定 |
| 00:11:21,200 | 00:11:22,200 | 他是不行的 |
| 00:11:22,200 | 00:11:25,200 | 當然他也必須要在應聘之前 |
| 00:11:25,200 | 00:11:27,200 | 前三個月有一些警察 |
| 00:11:27,200 | 00:11:29,200 | 所謂的良民證類似等等的 |
| 00:11:29,200 | 00:11:30,200 | 許多積極的 |
| 00:11:30,200 | 00:11:32,200 | 跟預防的一些條件 |
| 00:11:32,200 | 00:11:34,200 | 第二個就是進來以後 |
| 00:11:34,200 | 00:11:36,200 | 我們也這一個半年 |
| 00:11:37,200 | 00:11:39,200 | 我來解釋問題 |
| 00:11:39,200 | 00:11:42,200 | 校安人員在五年前 |
| 00:11:42,200 | 00:11:44,200 | 涉及性傷 |
| 00:11:44,200 | 00:11:47,200 | 後來緩起訴 |
| 00:11:47,200 | 00:11:49,200 | 不起訴緩起訴 |
| 00:11:49,200 | 00:11:51,200 | 他有沒有可能成為校安人員 |
| 00:11:51,200 | 00:11:54,200 | 以目前這個教育人員任用條例 |
| 00:11:54,200 | 00:11:56,200 | 假設他是輕微的 |
| 00:11:56,200 | 00:11:59,200 | 他變成在四年後 |
| 00:11:59,200 | 00:12:01,200 | 過四年以後他是具有資格 |
| 00:12:01,200 | 00:12:04,200 | 但是我想那都是消極的條件 |
| 00:12:04,200 | 00:12:07,200 | 我們學校在遴選校安人員 |
| 00:12:07,200 | 00:12:10,200 | 他一定是會有一個更積極的期待 |
| 00:12:10,200 | 00:12:14,200 | 譬如說這個人他是有一些法律的背景知識 |
| 00:12:14,200 | 00:12:17,200 | 他有一些心理輔導等等相關的專業 |
| 00:12:17,200 | 00:12:18,200 | 他也知道怎麼樣 |
| 00:12:18,200 | 00:12:20,200 | 部長我告訴你 |
| 00:12:20,200 | 00:12:22,200 | 我剛剛舉那個 |
| 00:12:22,200 | 00:12:24,200 | 一般校安人員這都沒問題 |
| 00:12:24,200 | 00:12:26,200 | 很多人願意來投入 |
| 00:12:26,200 | 00:12:28,200 | 第一個就有可能 |
| 00:12:28,200 | 00:12:32,200 | 因為我剛剛講光電子煙扣地 |
| 00:12:32,200 | 00:12:33,200 | 我拿出來 |
| 00:12:33,200 | 00:12:35,200 | 光講這句話 |
| 00:12:35,200 | 00:12:38,200 | 這校安人員本身也有風險 |
| 00:12:38,200 | 00:12:40,200 | 因為他有可能說完 |
| 00:12:40,200 | 00:12:42,200 | 那個阿弟仔下課的時候 |
| 00:12:42,200 | 00:12:45,200 | 叫他們把幫拜分子到門口等 |
| 00:12:45,200 | 00:12:46,200 | 找那個校安人員 |
| 00:12:46,200 | 00:12:48,200 | 說你今天是在幫我們生氣什麼 |
| 00:12:48,200 | 00:12:51,200 | 這個校安人員也有風險 |
| 00:12:51,200 | 00:12:53,200 | 校安人員本身也有風險 |
| 00:12:53,200 | 00:12:56,200 | 第二個是校安人員如果過去的紀錄 |
| 00:12:56,200 | 00:12:59,200 | 在我們現在消極的條件之下 |
| 00:12:59,200 | 00:13:01,200 | 你積和不到他 |
| 00:13:01,200 | 00:13:02,200 | 後來事情 |
| 00:13:02,200 | 00:13:04,200 | 講說他又在學校裡頭 |
| 00:13:04,200 | 00:13:05,200 | 又搞這些事情 |
| 00:13:05,200 | 00:13:06,200 | 後來才發現說 |
| 00:13:06,200 | 00:13:07,200 | 原來他五年前 |
| 00:13:07,200 | 00:13:09,200 | 六年前七年前 |
| 00:13:09,200 | 00:13:12,200 | 曾經也做過同樣的事情 |
| 00:13:12,200 | 00:13:15,200 | 我要談的是說請這個部裡頭 |
| 00:13:15,200 | 00:13:18,200 | 對這些資格恐怕這個重新 |
| 00:13:18,200 | 00:13:20,200 | 讓我們家庭放心 |
| 00:13:20,200 | 00:13:21,200 | 家長放心 |
| 00:13:21,200 | 00:13:22,200 | 謝謝委員提醒 |
| 00:13:22,200 | 00:13:24,200 | 我想這我們一定會 |
| 00:13:24,200 | 00:13:26,200 | 這一個跟地方教育局處 |
| 00:13:26,200 | 00:13:28,200 | 地方政府有這一個 |
| 00:13:28,200 | 00:13:32,200 | 非常密切的意見上的一個共識 |
| 00:13:32,200 | 00:13:35,200 | 另外一個就是剛才委員所提的 |
| 00:13:35,200 | 00:13:38,200 | 其實我們現在特別在中學 |
| 00:13:38,200 | 00:13:39,200 | 國高中 |
| 00:13:39,200 | 00:13:43,200 | 大概學校裡邊都跟地方的派出所 |
| 00:13:43,200 | 00:13:47,200 | 都有一個緊急的熱線 |
| 00:13:47,200 | 00:13:49,200 | 也就是說學校有一些比較 |
| 00:13:49,200 | 00:13:50,200 | 如委員所提的 |
| 00:13:50,200 | 00:13:53,200 | 這些比較重大的或者偶發的事件 |
| 00:13:53,200 | 00:13:54,200 | 事實上 |
| 00:13:54,200 | 00:13:56,200 | 你說的就是地方 |
| 00:13:56,200 | 00:13:58,200 | 我是希望今天院長提的 |
| 00:13:58,200 | 00:14:01,200 | 因為有一些狀況是說 |
| 00:14:01,200 | 00:14:03,200 | 地方的家長 |
| 00:14:03,200 | 00:14:07,200 | 他可能就是地方的惡霸 |
| 00:14:08,200 | 00:14:10,200 | 你怎麼申訴申訴到不去 |
| 00:14:10,200 | 00:14:14,200 | 從這個惡霸出來處理 |
| 00:14:14,200 | 00:14:17,200 | 給教育局縣市教育局壓力 |
| 00:14:17,200 | 00:14:19,200 | 處理不來 |
| 00:14:19,200 | 00:14:21,200 | 我們的老師在第一教學現場 |
| 00:14:21,200 | 00:14:23,200 | 有時候要回去找 |
| 00:14:23,200 | 00:14:25,200 | 所以我最後具體建議兩件事情 |
| 00:14:25,200 | 00:14:26,200 | 好不好 |
| 00:14:26,200 | 00:14:29,200 | 第一個讓教師能夠檢查 |
| 00:14:29,200 | 00:14:31,200 | 教育部要成立一個專責 |
| 00:14:31,200 | 00:14:34,200 | 不管你們單位機構還是系統 |
| 00:14:34,200 | 00:14:38,200 | 接受教的中小學老師 |
| 00:14:38,200 | 00:14:40,200 | 你要支援他們 |
| 00:14:40,200 | 00:14:41,200 | 現在的狀況是說 |
| 00:14:41,200 | 00:14:45,200 | 中小學老師在學校裡頭投訴無門 |
| 00:14:45,200 | 00:14:48,200 | 來教育部的email都關頭信息 |
| 00:14:48,200 | 00:14:49,200 | 回來回去 |
| 00:14:49,200 | 00:14:51,200 | 你去問地方 |
| 00:14:51,200 | 00:14:52,200 | 地方就說沒有 |
| 00:14:52,200 | 00:14:53,200 | 查完就沒事 |
| 00:14:53,200 | 00:14:55,200 | 要給第一線的老師資源 |
| 00:14:55,200 | 00:14:57,200 | 而且要由中央來做 |
| 00:14:57,200 | 00:14:58,200 | 不要透過地方 |
| 00:14:58,200 | 00:15:00,200 | 透過地方會有很複雜 |
| 00:15:00,200 | 00:15:01,200 | 綿密的關係在 |
| 00:15:01,200 | 00:15:02,200 | 這第一個 |
| 00:15:02,200 | 00:15:03,200 | 第二個 |
| 00:15:03,200 | 00:15:05,200 | 校安要進場處理 |
| 00:15:05,200 | 00:15:06,200 | 我剛剛提的那些 |
| 00:15:06,200 | 00:15:07,200 | 包括電子業務 |
| 00:15:07,200 | 00:15:08,200 | 包括相關的東西 |
| 00:15:08,200 | 00:15:10,200 | 因為是在校園裡頭 |
| 00:15:10,200 | 00:15:12,200 | 不是在那一般的社會 |
| 00:15:12,200 | 00:15:15,200 | 要去建立一個可執行的機制 |
| 00:15:15,200 | 00:15:16,200 | 否則的話 |
| 00:15:16,200 | 00:15:18,200 | 你們那個流程表畫得再好 |
| 00:15:18,200 | 00:15:21,200 | 最後那個老師不敢出口出手 |
| 00:15:21,200 | 00:15:23,200 | 校安人員就不敢問說 |
| 00:15:23,200 | 00:15:25,200 | 你的電子業務告出來 |
| 00:15:25,200 | 00:15:27,200 | 他就不敢開口的時候 |
| 00:15:27,200 | 00:15:29,200 | 這個機制現場無法執行 |
| 00:15:29,200 | 00:15:31,200 | 就不好了啦 |
| 00:15:31,200 | 00:15:33,200 | 以上把這個 |