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洪毓祥 @ 第11屆第6會期第2次會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:02,000 | 黃毓祥委員質詢 |
| 00:00:17,320 | 00:00:18,720 | 好 謝謝副院長 |
| 00:00:18,720 | 00:00:20,960 | 好 那我們有請卓院長 |
| 00:00:20,960 | 00:00:22,960 | 請卓院長備詢 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:32,000 | 黃毓好 |
| 00:00:32,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 好 院長好 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 那我想今天第一個議題來講的話呢 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:42,000 | 就是我們昨天的話呢 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:46,000 | 過去接獲一堆的住外人員的一個爆料 |
| 00:00:46,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 那我們開完這個黨團的記者會 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 我相信院長也看到 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 我想先問院長 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 其實我蠻敬佩院長的 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 起碼院長是自費到日本去看棒球 |
| 00:01:00,000 | 00:01:04,000 | 那應該您在你的公務行程裡頭 |
| 00:01:04,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 應該有沒有帶家人啊什麼這些同行嗎? |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:10,000 | 公務行程 |
| 00:01:10,000 | 00:01:12,000 | 如何? |
| 00:01:12,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 如果有一些行程必定要帶家人的話 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:18,000 | 那他會註明 |
| 00:01:18,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 那我這兩年當中是沒有發生過這種事情 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:22,000 | OK 好 謝謝 |
| 00:01:22,000 | 00:01:24,000 | 那基本上來講的話呢 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:26,000 | 我想在這一塊地方的話 |
| 00:01:26,000 | 00:01:28,000 | 也就是說在這一個過去來講 |
| 00:01:28,000 | 00:01:30,000 | 我們除了在8月揭露 |
| 00:01:30,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 這個東沙的生態體驗營的活動等等 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 當然這個監察院有認定 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 是違反了這個立場法 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 那接下來的話呢 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 也就是說 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 我們再根據這樣子的爆料 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 我們再往下看 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:50,000 | 那當然除了這一個 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 當然除了這一個 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 退資費 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 當然出差領退資費當然這個無可厚非了 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 但是這個有點誇張 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 再下一頁 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 那出國的碳數我們跟過去的委員長做比較 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 也是非常的誇張 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:12,000 | 當然可能有其任務的需要 |
| 00:02:12,000 | 00:02:14,000 | 但是這一個天數 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 實在是有點扯 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 從111年到這樣子的話 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 不止的暴增 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 再往下 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 那為什麼 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:26,000 | 因為諮詢人士就爆料了 |
| 00:02:26,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 這個是一個國家的一個高階的官員的訪團 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 那為什麼還有十幾歲的兒子 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 包裝成這樣子的一個攝影 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 所以這個實際的外館的人看到 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 有點shock |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 再來 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 那往這邊的公帑 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 那往這邊的公帑 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 食物交通接送 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 我們也不曉得 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 這個是不是真的有使用這樣的公費 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 再往下 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 那出席的時候 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 這個都是人家調介 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:02,000 | 或者是住院的人提供的 |
| 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 那在這裡頭 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 各位可以看到上一張的 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 這個目前的照片 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 那手機在滑的時候 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 我們就要想 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 既然都是號稱機密行程 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 不可以跟立法委員報告 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 但是這樣子的話 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 在使用手機的時候 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 我就很懷疑 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 是不是有國家機密的問題 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 那我們做完這樣子的回覆的時候 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 其實我是要請外交部次長 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 其他兩位可以先請回 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 我們也要問相關法律的問題 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 我只是想問調查的問題 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:38,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:03:38,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 那是不是可以有時間讓委員長 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 自己說明當時或是 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 現在他應該跟委員解釋 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 沒關係我們先請外交部 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 就是說因為昨天外交部針對 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 事情的一個回覆 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:56,000 | 那我也覺得說應該就是 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:03:58,000 | 組成一個獨立的調查 |
| 00:03:58,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 那所以呢 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:02,000 | 基本上我是有幾個建議 |
| 00:04:02,000 | 00:04:04,000 | 第一個 |
| 00:04:04,000 | 00:04:06,000 | 就是在做這個公務車 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 的一個使用的時候 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 有沒有違反我們駐外機構 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:12,000 | 公務車的車輛的 |
| 00:04:12,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 換購跟管理的要點 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 那如果以北美 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 這個的話是公務車是處長 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 負責管理 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 涉及的可能還包含華府中心的主任 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 副主任 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 僱員然後另外還有 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 美處的行政組 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:30,000 | 因為他負責的是車輛的管理 |
| 00:04:30,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 另外還有政治組 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 因為對口是國務院 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 所以我們的車牌掛的是 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:38,000 | EBA的車牌 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 另外的話還有我們的會計組 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 因為你要查你的里程數 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:44,000 | 藍調的使用費 |
| 00:04:44,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 那另外可能 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:48,000 | 也要詢問一下當時的余大使 |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:50,000 | 以及駐德國的 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 謝志偉大使 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 我們都希望外交部能夠 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 秉持獨立調查的原則 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 那昨天部長 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:05:00,000 | 在你們外交部的回覆的 |
| 00:05:00,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 新聞稿也回覆了 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:04,000 | 那我是非常肯定的 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 但是呢你可以告訴我 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 你們現在在內部 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 會不會組成獨立的 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 調查小組 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 報告委員因為我們是昨天才 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 這件事情 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 並沒有任何人向外交部 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 提出檢舉 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 昨天民眾黨開記者會 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 之後我們已經召開會議 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:26,000 | 然後請我們外館釐清真相 |
| 00:05:26,000 | 00:05:28,000 | 這點已經開始在做了 |
| 00:05:28,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 那這個調查的程序要多久 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 我們已經開始啟動了 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 那調查程序我們就等 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 外館給我們回報 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 我們再來跟委員做報告 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 好因為基本上來講的話 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:42,000 | 院長在早上對記者的 |
| 00:05:42,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 回覆也是責成 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 外交部嘛就這些 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 公務使用的部分 |
| 00:05:48,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 做詳盡獨立的一個調查 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 因為我覺得這一點是 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 很重要如果真的調查 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:56,000 | 沒有所謂的這種爆料的 |
| 00:05:56,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 情勢的事情 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 那當然就是還我們許家英委員的清白 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:02,000 | 但是如果有 |
| 00:06:02,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 那我們也希望看到 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 詳細的這些的 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 調查的紀錄 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:10,000 | 研究報告因為國人對這件事情 |
| 00:06:10,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 深惡痛絕 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 報告委員 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 剛才你提供資料 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 跟謝志偉大使那時候我也是駐化大使 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 所以應該在同時 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 許家英委員也有到法處來 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 並沒有所謂 |
| 00:06:24,000 | 00:06:26,000 | 攝影觀這個情形發生 |
| 00:06:26,000 | 00:06:28,000 | 這個反正你就好好調查 |
| 00:06:28,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 因為 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 我們今天後的爆料是 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 如雪片般的飛 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:36,000 | 然後都有提供照片 |
| 00:06:36,000 | 00:06:38,000 | 還有提供私下的錄音 |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 我們只是沒有完全播放 |
| 00:06:40,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 那所以基本上我還是希望 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 你們勿枉勿重 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 然後好好地去調查 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:48,000 | 因為我自己 |
| 00:06:48,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 從進入產業接到 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 外商到產業工作 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 我每年非 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 我每天都會出國考察開會的 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:06:58,000 | 非常平凡 |
| 00:06:58,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 但我從來沒有帶什麼 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:02,000 | 家人親戚 |
| 00:07:02,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 一起公務 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 我們早上到了美國 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 就是立刻開會 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 飛美國的話就12點多 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 早上到我9點半10點 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 我們就開會開完後 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 我們可能再飛下一個地方開會等等 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 所以我是希望 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:20,000 | 如果在我們民間產業人士都這麼拼命的話 |
| 00:07:20,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 我不希望看到 |
| 00:07:22,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 既失這樣的精神 |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 那如果是自費 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 合乎這樣子的公務 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:30,000 | 使用規定合乎公務這樣使用規定 |
| 00:07:30,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 那就是把所有的 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 調查的結果調查的單據 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 里程數這些全部都查清楚 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 好不好 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:40,000 | 以上這件事情就拜託外交部 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 好下一個的話 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 我想從這邊 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 我們來看的話就是說 |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 想要請教院長的 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 就是說在這個 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 追加預算裡面 |
| 00:07:56,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 我要把我們立法院的預算中心 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 說一下話 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:02,000 | 也就是說根據 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 我們立法院預算中心 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 預算法第二條的明文規定 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 在立法程序 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 而公佈才叫 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 法定預算 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 可是基本上 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 總統公佈115年度的 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:20,000 | 總預算是在9月18號 |
| 00:08:20,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 可是你們9月3號 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 通過9月8號 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 就把追加預算函 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:28,000 | 函上立法院 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 所以我們預算中心才會說 |
| 00:08:30,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 這個是有事法性的問題 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:34,000 | 也就是說我115年度 |
| 00:08:34,000 | 00:08:36,000 | 的總預算還沒有經過 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 總統公佈還不構成法定 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 預算的時候 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 那你行政院是根據哪一條法律 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 可以把刪除後 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 尚未通過的預算案 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 先視同法定預算 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 哪一條法律 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 主席長 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 也可以回答沒關係 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 預算法它也沒有明文規定 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 追加預算提出的時程 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 它只有規定預算 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 追加預算提出的一個條件 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 那現在我們在 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 8月14三讀已經有確認 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 所以就 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:12,000 | 沒有喔 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 根據79條第三款 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:16,000 | 上4月因重大事故 |
| 00:09:16,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 經過超過法定 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 預算時得提出 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:22,000 | 追加預算 |
| 00:09:22,000 | 00:09:24,000 | 然後預算法第二條告訴我們 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 經立法程序而 |
| 00:09:26,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 公佈者 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 成法定預算 |
| 00:09:30,000 | 00:09:32,000 | 我還沒公佈啊 |
| 00:09:32,000 | 00:09:34,000 | 9月18才公佈啊 |
| 00:09:34,000 | 00:09:36,000 | 然後你的回答是說 |
| 00:09:36,000 | 00:09:38,000 | 你有回答 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:40,000 | 你們是有回答 |
| 00:09:40,000 | 00:09:42,000 | 你們回答是怎麼回答 |
| 00:09:42,000 | 00:09:44,000 | 那邊你們呢 |
| 00:09:44,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 立法院三讀 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 通過了嘛 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:50,000 | 金額已徵明確 |
| 00:09:52,000 | 00:09:54,000 | 這是哪一個法律的要件 |
| 00:09:56,000 | 00:09:58,000 | 報告委員預算法裡面 |
| 00:09:58,000 | 00:10:00,000 | 剛剛主席長說的 |
| 00:10:00,000 | 00:10:02,000 | 它對追加預算提出 |
| 00:10:02,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 有四個要件 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:06,000 | 它並沒有說一定要在哪一個程序 |
| 00:10:06,000 | 00:10:08,000 | 之後才能去提出 |
| 00:10:08,000 | 00:10:10,000 | 但今天追加 |
| 00:10:10,000 | 00:10:12,000 | 預算的時間提出 |
| 00:10:12,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 總預算的通過在後 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:16,000 | 問題在大院 |
| 00:10:16,000 | 00:10:18,000 | 不在行政院 |
| 00:10:18,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 是你們延誤了351天才造成這個狀況 |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:22,000 | 況且 |
| 00:10:22,000 | 00:10:24,000 | 追加預算的內容 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:26,000 | 沒有在填補 |
| 00:10:26,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 扯不完 |
| 00:10:28,000 | 00:10:30,000 | 因為那時候 |
| 00:10:30,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 它的簽証的條件 |
| 00:10:32,000 | 00:10:34,000 | 就是你的這個法案幾個都不附屬 |
| 00:10:34,000 | 00:10:36,000 | 不公告不執行 |
| 00:10:36,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 所以如果現在主計處的回答就是說 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:40,000 | 立法院三讀通過之後 |
| 00:10:40,000 | 00:10:42,000 | 總統還沒有公告 |
| 00:10:42,000 | 00:10:44,000 | 那就是示威法律了 |
| 00:10:44,000 | 00:10:46,000 | 正式法律了嗎 |
| 00:10:46,000 | 00:10:48,000 | 這是我們預算中心給你的第二波的回覆 |
| 00:10:48,000 | 00:10:50,000 | 再回覆 |
| 00:10:50,000 | 00:10:52,000 | 報告委員追加預算我們提出的是 |
| 00:10:52,000 | 00:10:54,000 | 穩定民生 |
| 00:10:54,000 | 00:10:56,000 | 增加社福調整 |
| 00:10:56,000 | 00:10:58,000 | 沒有因為 |
| 00:10:58,000 | 00:11:00,000 | 預算被刪除之後 |
| 00:11:00,000 | 00:11:02,000 | 來填補原來的預算 |
| 00:11:02,000 | 00:11:04,000 | 也就是說 |
| 00:11:04,000 | 00:11:06,000 | 我從日期來看 |
| 00:11:06,000 | 00:11:08,000 | 從中到二級 |
| 00:11:08,000 | 00:11:10,000 | 9月18號如果我們公佈了 |
| 00:11:10,000 | 00:11:12,000 | 你現在9月19號 |
| 00:11:12,000 | 00:11:14,000 | 送都可以啊 |
| 00:11:14,000 | 00:11:16,000 | 因為 |
| 00:11:16,000 | 00:11:18,000 | 你不急我們很急 |
| 00:11:18,000 | 00:11:20,000 | 現在已經剩下兩個月三個月 |
| 00:11:20,000 | 00:11:22,000 | 如果急的話 |
| 00:11:22,000 | 00:11:24,000 | 也是9月18號公佈之後 |
| 00:11:24,000 | 00:11:26,000 | 才送嘛 |
| 00:11:26,000 | 00:11:28,000 | 我現在只是講說 |
| 00:11:28,000 | 00:11:30,000 | 這樣的天數才差十天 |
| 00:11:30,000 | 00:11:32,000 | 我們重點 |
| 00:11:32,000 | 00:11:34,000 | 要盡快把這幾項工作 |
| 00:11:34,000 | 00:11:36,000 | 能夠在追加預算通過之後做好 |
| 00:11:36,000 | 00:11:38,000 | 事先準備我都同意 |
| 00:11:38,000 | 00:11:40,000 | 但請遵照法定的程序 |
| 00:11:40,000 | 00:11:42,000 | 我們遵照預算法裡面的 |
| 00:11:42,000 | 00:11:44,000 | 要件來提出這 |
| 00:11:44,000 | 00:11:46,000 | 相關6076億的追加預算 |
| 00:11:46,000 | 00:11:48,000 | 但是符合預算法的四個要件 |
| 00:11:48,000 | 00:11:50,000 | 我現在不是說你不能提嘛 |
| 00:11:50,000 | 00:11:52,000 | 我現在說 |
| 00:11:52,000 | 00:11:54,000 | 你就遵照程序從19號提 |
| 00:11:54,000 | 00:11:56,000 | 8號到19號 |
| 00:11:56,000 | 00:11:58,000 | 再請主席講說明 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:12:00,000 | 是不是一定要在總預算 |
| 00:12:00,000 | 00:12:02,000 | 都完全單獨通過 |
| 00:12:02,000 | 00:12:04,000 | 如果公佈之後我們才有 |
| 00:12:04,000 | 00:12:06,000 | 依法才能夠提出 |
| 00:12:06,000 | 00:12:08,000 | 我剛剛已經唸了請回去看一下 |
| 00:12:08,000 | 00:12:10,000 | 預算法第二條跟79條第三款 |
| 00:12:14,000 | 00:12:16,000 | 好再來 |
| 00:12:16,000 | 00:12:18,000 | 我沒有否定你不可以 |
| 00:12:18,000 | 00:12:20,000 | 提追加預算 |
| 00:12:20,000 | 00:12:22,000 | 我只是說你就19號 |
| 00:12:22,000 | 00:12:24,000 | 18號公佈之後提 |
| 00:12:24,000 | 00:12:26,000 | 沒有差 |
| 00:12:26,000 | 00:12:28,000 | 這五六天時間 |
| 00:12:28,000 | 00:12:30,000 | 我們那個時候根本不知道大院要什麼時候送到行政院 |
| 00:12:30,000 | 00:12:32,000 | 把預算送過來 |
| 00:12:32,000 | 00:12:34,000 | 9月初的時候我們知道嗎 |
| 00:12:34,000 | 00:12:36,000 | 我們都不知道 |
| 00:12:36,000 | 00:12:38,000 | 所以啦 |
| 00:12:38,000 | 00:12:40,000 | 9月18號這個我們不跟你吵 |
| 00:12:40,000 | 00:12:42,000 | 所以我是希望說未來 |
| 00:12:42,000 | 00:12:44,000 | 能夠先跟立法院溝通 |
| 00:12:44,000 | 00:12:46,000 | 我們又不是你的立法局 |
| 00:12:46,000 | 00:12:48,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:12:48,000 | 00:12:50,000 | 8月14號 |
| 00:12:50,000 | 00:12:52,000 | 三讀通過 |
| 00:12:52,000 | 00:12:54,000 | 我們一直等到9月初還沒有看到 |
| 00:12:54,000 | 00:12:56,000 | 預算書的 |
| 00:12:56,000 | 00:12:58,000 | 你現在圖的這個 |
| 00:12:58,000 | 00:13:00,000 | 這是零七十二億的追加的預算 |
| 00:13:00,000 | 00:13:02,000 | 來院長說 |
| 00:13:02,000 | 00:13:04,000 | 你的名字叫什麼 |
| 00:13:06,000 | 00:13:08,000 | 我的名字 |
| 00:13:08,000 | 00:13:10,000 | 穩定民生社福加碼 |
| 00:13:10,000 | 00:13:12,000 | 追加預算你的稱呼是這樣子 |
| 00:13:12,000 | 00:13:14,000 | 還有提升待遇災後重建 |
| 00:13:14,000 | 00:13:16,000 | 強化國防還有提供兒童 |
| 00:13:16,000 | 00:13:18,000 | 成長今天 |
| 00:13:18,000 | 00:13:20,000 | 反正這個地方 |
| 00:13:20,000 | 00:13:22,000 | 來講的話 |
| 00:13:22,000 | 00:13:24,000 | 穩定民生社福加碼 |
| 00:13:24,000 | 00:13:26,000 | 強化國防等等 |
| 00:13:26,000 | 00:13:28,000 | 請問社福加碼多少錢 |
| 00:13:28,000 | 00:13:30,000 | 調整老農年金 |
| 00:13:30,000 | 00:13:32,000 | 65億及國民年金 |
| 00:13:32,000 | 00:13:34,000 | 215億 |
| 00:13:34,000 | 00:13:36,000 | 及其他六大社會社福 |
| 00:13:36,000 | 00:13:38,000 | 共有215億 |
| 00:13:38,000 | 00:13:40,000 | 215億 |
| 00:13:40,000 | 00:13:42,000 | 佔3.5% |
| 00:13:42,000 | 00:13:44,000 | 穩定民生其中 |
| 00:13:44,000 | 00:13:46,000 | 4213億 |
| 00:13:46,000 | 00:13:48,000 | 佔了69.3% |
| 00:13:48,000 | 00:13:50,000 | 接近7成 |
| 00:13:50,000 | 00:13:52,000 | 其中都是能源嘛 |
| 00:13:52,000 | 00:13:54,000 | 中油增資中油撥補台電撥補 |
| 00:13:54,000 | 00:13:56,000 | 所以說 |
| 00:13:56,000 | 00:13:58,000 | 國防的維持區相關嘛 |
| 00:13:58,000 | 00:14:00,000 | 另外強化國防佔了24% |
| 00:14:00,000 | 00:14:02,000 | 那我現在的問題就是說 |
| 00:14:02,000 | 00:14:04,000 | 真正在我們 |
| 00:14:04,000 | 00:14:06,000 | 社福加碼是 |
| 00:14:06,000 | 00:14:08,000 | 佔了3.5% |
| 00:14:08,000 | 00:14:10,000 | 其他 |
| 00:14:10,000 | 00:14:12,000 | 你的中油增資撥補台電撥補 |
| 00:14:12,000 | 00:14:14,000 | 這些總共佔了將近7成 |
| 00:14:14,000 | 00:14:16,000 | 強化國防 |
| 00:14:16,000 | 00:14:18,000 | 佔了24% |
| 00:14:18,000 | 00:14:20,000 | 所以 |
| 00:14:20,000 | 00:14:22,000 | 所以你的社福加碼 |
| 00:14:22,000 | 00:14:24,000 | 我把提升大運 |
| 00:14:24,000 | 00:14:26,000 | 災後重建 兒少成長今天都給你 |
| 00:14:26,000 | 00:14:28,000 | 雙方你算進去 |
| 00:14:28,000 | 00:14:30,000 | 提升大運111億 |
| 00:14:30,000 | 00:14:32,000 | 災後重建70 |
| 00:14:32,000 | 00:14:34,000 | 兒少成長今天3億 |
| 00:14:34,000 | 00:14:36,000 | 的全資金準備 |
| 00:14:36,000 | 00:14:38,000 | 那個加起來 |
| 00:14:38,000 | 00:14:40,000 | 也差不多才將近 |
| 00:14:40,000 | 00:14:42,000 | 300多接近 |
| 00:14:42,000 | 00:14:44,000 | 400億 |
| 00:14:44,000 | 00:14:46,000 | 穩定民生 |
| 00:14:46,000 | 00:14:48,000 | 6千多億才佔 |
| 00:14:48,000 | 00:14:50,000 | 400億的社福加碼 |
| 00:14:50,000 | 00:14:52,000 | 穩定物價是穩定全民的生活 |
| 00:14:52,000 | 00:14:54,000 | 穩定社會的經濟 |
| 00:14:54,000 | 00:14:56,000 | 你不能把它割裂為 |
| 00:14:56,000 | 00:14:58,000 | 跟某一些人無關 |
| 00:14:58,000 | 00:15:00,000 | 那我們特別加重在 |
| 00:15:00,000 | 00:15:02,000 | 社福加碼是在全民之外 |
| 00:15:02,000 | 00:15:04,000 | 加重這一塊 |
| 00:15:04,000 | 00:15:06,000 | 那是往上加才對 |
| 00:15:06,000 | 00:15:08,000 | 穩定民生那個叫做 |
| 00:15:08,000 | 00:15:10,000 | 替錯誤的能源政策買單 |
| 00:15:10,000 | 00:15:12,000 | 這個是比較 |
| 00:15:12,000 | 00:15:14,000 | 現實的說法 |
| 00:15:14,000 | 00:15:16,000 | 現實的說法 |
| 00:15:16,000 | 00:15:18,000 | 我現在的問題就是說 |
| 00:15:18,000 | 00:15:20,000 | 我們常常又會用一個手段 |
| 00:15:20,000 | 00:15:22,000 | 一個手法就是情緒的 |
| 00:15:22,000 | 00:15:24,000 | 勒索 |
| 00:15:24,000 | 00:15:26,000 | 勤勒 |
| 00:15:26,000 | 00:15:28,000 | 也就是說你們立法院最好在 |
| 00:15:28,000 | 00:15:30,000 | 11月底是趕快申過這樣子的 |
| 00:15:30,000 | 00:15:32,000 | 做交易算 |
| 00:15:32,000 | 00:15:34,000 | 所以我們趕快在9月初送出 |
| 00:15:34,000 | 00:15:36,000 | 如果不通過 |
| 00:15:36,000 | 00:15:38,000 | 不通過 |
| 00:15:38,000 | 00:15:40,000 | 社福加碼就不見 |
| 00:15:42,000 | 00:15:44,000 | 你用一個3.25%的 |
| 00:15:44,000 | 00:15:46,000 | 去綁架其他的 |
| 00:15:46,000 | 00:15:48,000 | 7成的% |
| 00:15:48,000 | 00:15:50,000 | 是其中一部分不是綁架 |
| 00:15:50,000 | 00:15:52,000 | 所以我們才急著把社交用家 |
| 00:15:52,000 | 00:15:54,000 | 我舉一個例子給你看 |
| 00:15:54,000 | 00:15:56,000 | 老公跟老婆說 |
| 00:15:56,000 | 00:15:58,000 | 我要拿家用錢去買菜 |
| 00:15:58,000 | 00:16:00,000 | 買飯 |
| 00:16:00,000 | 00:16:02,000 | 老公也想買車 |
| 00:16:02,000 | 00:16:04,000 | 把買車的錢包進去 |
| 00:16:06,000 | 00:16:08,000 | 然後呢接下來呢 |
| 00:16:08,000 | 00:16:10,000 | 老婆說哇 |
| 00:16:10,000 | 00:16:12,000 | 怎麼買菜錢膨脹那麼多 |
| 00:16:12,000 | 00:16:14,000 | 結果一看 |
| 00:16:14,000 | 00:16:16,000 | 除了買菜多了一些買車的 |
| 00:16:18,000 | 00:16:20,000 | 老婆就說啦 |
| 00:16:20,000 | 00:16:22,000 | 菜錢可以給 |
| 00:16:22,000 | 00:16:24,000 | 我可以給 |
| 00:16:24,000 | 00:16:26,000 | 家庭民生生計所需 |
| 00:16:26,000 | 00:16:28,000 | 但買車的錢是不是可以 |
| 00:16:28,000 | 00:16:30,000 | 說清楚 |
| 00:16:30,000 | 00:16:32,000 | 當然你講的理由都很好 |
| 00:16:32,000 | 00:16:34,000 | 市場很遠啊 |
| 00:16:34,000 | 00:16:36,000 | 我要去集散市場買啊 |
| 00:16:36,000 | 00:16:38,000 | 所以我需要車啊摩托車載不了那麼多 |
| 00:16:38,000 | 00:16:40,000 | 聽起來都沒有道理 |
| 00:16:40,000 | 00:16:42,000 | 但是買菜 |
| 00:16:42,000 | 00:16:44,000 | 要買菜錢先給 |
| 00:16:44,000 | 00:16:46,000 | 車子我們可以再商量 |
| 00:16:46,000 | 00:16:48,000 | 沒有不讓你買 |
| 00:16:48,000 | 00:16:50,000 | 商量看是要多少 |
| 00:16:50,000 | 00:16:52,000 | 買什麼樣的車 |
| 00:16:52,000 | 00:16:54,000 | 結果呢老公跑出去 |
| 00:16:54,000 | 00:16:56,000 | 跟大家抱怨啊 |
| 00:16:56,000 | 00:16:58,000 | 我母親賺錢啊 |
| 00:16:58,000 | 00:17:00,000 | 我老婆連飯錢都不給 |
| 00:17:02,000 | 00:17:04,000 | 他們都餓死我 |
| 00:17:04,000 | 00:17:06,000 | 我這裡工苦 |
| 00:17:06,000 | 00:17:08,000 | 我沒辦法吃 |
| 00:17:08,000 | 00:17:10,000 | 再算起來 |
| 00:17:10,000 | 00:17:12,000 | 菜籍占3.5% |
| 00:17:16,000 | 00:17:18,000 | 油跟電是每天都要用的 |
| 00:17:18,000 | 00:17:20,000 | 它比較像是菜錢飯錢 |
| 00:17:20,000 | 00:17:22,000 | 我當然知道嘛 |
| 00:17:22,000 | 00:17:24,000 | 我說你都講的很好聽嘛 |
| 00:17:24,000 | 00:17:26,000 | 我的意思就是說 |
| 00:17:26,000 | 00:17:28,000 | 我沒有不給你啊 |
| 00:17:28,000 | 00:17:30,000 | 我就說既然 |
| 00:17:30,000 | 00:17:32,000 | 社福支出是優先 |
| 00:17:32,000 | 00:17:34,000 | 那幹嘛要綁在一起 |
| 00:17:34,000 | 00:17:36,000 | 然後用這樣情緒勒索 |
| 00:17:36,000 | 00:17:38,000 | 我看我就很討厭啊 |
| 00:17:38,000 | 00:17:40,000 | 我的意思是說 |
| 00:17:40,000 | 00:17:42,000 | 不是綁在一起是增加 |
| 00:17:42,000 | 00:17:44,000 | 那你說分開說啊 |
| 00:17:44,000 | 00:17:46,000 | 如果你的追加預算 |
| 00:17:46,000 | 00:17:48,000 | 是只有社福支出 |
| 00:17:48,000 | 00:17:50,000 | 加上你其他那些重建天天等等 |
| 00:17:50,000 | 00:17:52,000 | 400多億的 |
| 00:17:52,000 | 00:17:54,000 | 我們追加預算我馬上審啊 |
| 00:17:54,000 | 00:17:56,000 | 我馬上通過啊 |
| 00:17:56,000 | 00:17:58,000 | 這也是一種勒索啊 |
| 00:17:58,000 | 00:18:00,000 | 哪有 |
| 00:18:00,000 | 00:18:02,000 | 你說分高啊 |
| 00:18:02,000 | 00:18:04,000 | 反正你的多比增資 |
| 00:18:04,000 | 00:18:06,000 | 電價你說不漲了嘛 |
| 00:18:06,000 | 00:18:08,000 | 電價你都不漲了啊 |
| 00:18:08,000 | 00:18:10,000 | 物價如果不穩定 |
| 00:18:10,000 | 00:18:12,000 | 電價如果不穩定 |
| 00:18:12,000 | 00:18:14,000 | 全民都會受到傷害 |
| 00:18:14,000 | 00:18:16,000 | 你們電價委員會不是不漲嗎 |
| 00:18:16,000 | 00:18:18,000 | 連土都不漲啊 |
| 00:18:18,000 | 00:18:20,000 | 對那是因為 |
| 00:18:20,000 | 00:18:22,000 | 我們送出了這個追加預算 |
| 00:18:22,000 | 00:18:24,000 | 然後呢 |
| 00:18:24,000 | 00:18:26,000 | 你們電價的基準計算公示 |
| 00:18:26,000 | 00:18:28,000 | 有行政院立法 |
| 00:18:28,000 | 00:18:30,000 | 要給你多比預算這一條公示嗎 |
| 00:18:30,000 | 00:18:32,000 | 因為這是你們審議委員會 |
| 00:18:32,000 | 00:18:34,000 | 做的決議 |
| 00:18:34,000 | 00:18:36,000 | 電價計算公示裡頭有做一下嗎 |
| 00:18:36,000 | 00:18:38,000 | 因為他們知道說 |
| 00:18:38,000 | 00:18:40,000 | 所以立法院沒有不給 |
| 00:18:40,000 | 00:18:42,000 | 你就要調漲電價 |
| 00:18:42,000 | 00:18:44,000 | 我要看那個審議委員會的決定 |
| 00:18:44,000 | 00:18:46,000 | 我沒有辦法做決定 |
| 00:18:46,000 | 00:18:48,000 | 報告委員每一週的油價 |
| 00:18:48,000 | 00:18:50,000 | 現在已經吸收了 |
| 00:18:50,000 | 00:18:52,000 | 中油吸收了超過200億元 |
| 00:18:52,000 | 00:18:54,000 | 每一週都在想說 |
| 00:18:54,000 | 00:18:56,000 | 要不要調調或不調 |
| 00:18:56,000 | 00:18:58,000 | 所以我說的是 |
| 00:18:58,000 | 00:19:00,000 | 大家可以請罰官 |
| 00:19:00,000 | 00:19:02,000 | 把油價給凍結下來 |
| 00:19:02,000 | 00:19:04,000 | 所以說是有一個追加預算 |
| 00:19:04,000 | 00:19:06,000 | 能夠讓中油的能源能夠正常 |
| 00:19:06,000 | 00:19:08,000 | 這個我們幫你追加預算 |
| 00:19:08,000 | 00:19:10,000 | 可以好好討論 |
| 00:19:10,000 | 00:19:12,000 | 我只是說這些東西 |
| 00:19:12,000 | 00:19:14,000 | 我覺得請分開 |
| 00:19:14,000 | 00:19:16,000 | 好好地審慎處理 |
| 00:19:16,000 | 00:19:18,000 | 再來 |
| 00:19:18,000 | 00:19:20,000 | 我也想問的 |
| 00:19:20,000 | 00:19:22,000 | 普發1萬對不對 |
| 00:19:22,000 | 00:19:24,000 | 之前副總召也在問說 |
| 00:19:24,000 | 00:19:26,000 | 為什麼不能普發2萬 |
| 00:19:26,000 | 00:19:28,000 | 我當然也不是這樣看這件事情 |
| 00:19:28,000 | 00:19:30,000 | 我稍微去把你們 |
| 00:19:30,000 | 00:19:32,000 | 我們把我們的政府 |
| 00:19:32,000 | 00:19:34,000 | 從110年統計了5年 |
| 00:19:34,000 | 00:19:36,000 | 我們的稅入決算 |
| 00:19:36,000 | 00:19:38,000 | 跟稅出決算的金額 |
| 00:19:38,000 | 00:19:40,000 | 其實再加上 |
| 00:19:40,000 | 00:19:42,000 | 我們超增稅收 |
| 00:19:42,000 | 00:19:44,000 | 的金額 |
| 00:19:44,000 | 00:19:46,000 | 我們可以看到110年的話 |
| 00:19:46,000 | 00:19:48,000 | 稅入扣稅出的話 |
| 00:19:48,000 | 00:19:50,000 | 有正的 |
| 00:19:50,000 | 00:19:52,000 | 2979億 |
| 00:19:52,000 | 00:19:54,000 | 111年是4993億 |
| 00:19:54,000 | 00:19:56,000 | 112年是2796億 |
| 00:19:56,000 | 00:19:58,000 | 113年是3597億 |
| 00:19:58,000 | 00:20:00,000 | 114年 |
| 00:20:00,000 | 00:20:02,000 | 其實我們的稅入扣稅出 |
| 00:20:02,000 | 00:20:04,000 | 基本上平均都有 |
| 00:20:04,000 | 00:20:06,000 | 3000億到4000億 |
| 00:20:06,000 | 00:20:08,000 | 5000億左右之多 |
| 00:20:08,000 | 00:20:10,000 | 平均大概落在3000多億 |
| 00:20:10,000 | 00:20:12,000 | 我們超增稅收的金額 |
| 00:20:12,000 | 00:20:14,000 | 大概普遍也都是在 |
| 00:20:14,000 | 00:20:16,000 | 3000多億 |
| 00:20:16,000 | 00:20:18,000 | 今年可能更好 |
| 00:20:18,000 | 00:20:20,000 | 這個時候我們就看 |
| 00:20:20,000 | 00:20:22,000 | 這5年我們的GDP |
| 00:20:22,000 | 00:20:24,000 | 從21.77兆升到 |
| 00:20:24,000 | 00:20:26,000 | 28.72兆增加6.94 |
| 00:20:26,000 | 00:20:28,000 | 成長是32% |
| 00:20:28,000 | 00:20:30,000 | 我們的稅入的增加 |
| 00:20:30,000 | 00:20:32,000 | 在這5年當中 |
| 00:20:32,000 | 00:20:34,000 | 也大概增加約33% |
| 00:20:34,000 | 00:20:36,000 | 大概跟我們的GDP成長的幅度 |
| 00:20:36,000 | 00:20:38,000 | 差不多 |
| 00:20:38,000 | 00:20:40,000 | 那我把政府的稅出 |
| 00:20:40,000 | 00:20:42,000 | 算了一下 增加約40% |
| 00:20:42,000 | 00:20:44,000 | 我們的政府很厲害 |
| 00:20:44,000 | 00:20:46,000 | 花的錢在邊運算的時候 |
| 00:20:46,000 | 00:20:48,000 | 賺的錢成長比例還要高 |
| 00:20:50,000 | 00:20:52,000 | 這公司 |
| 00:20:52,000 | 00:20:54,000 | 我想要問院長 行政院到底有沒有 |
| 00:20:54,000 | 00:20:56,000 | 一個財政紀律的標準 |
| 00:20:56,000 | 00:20:58,000 | 就是說政府的支出 |
| 00:20:58,000 | 00:21:00,000 | 沒有 我現在是問你標準 |
| 00:21:00,000 | 00:21:02,000 | 公事 我們學理工的 |
| 00:21:02,000 | 00:21:04,000 | 就是你們這個支出的上限 |
| 00:21:04,000 | 00:21:06,000 | 有沒有一個 |
| 00:21:06,000 | 00:21:08,000 | 到底是多少的一個 |
| 00:21:08,000 | 00:21:10,000 | 棒的 你不能說 |
| 00:21:10,000 | 00:21:12,000 | 我才賺3塊 然後你花4塊 |
| 00:21:14,000 | 00:21:16,000 | 我們民意出的 |
| 00:21:16,000 | 00:21:18,000 | 明年的中央政府總預算 |
| 00:21:18,000 | 00:21:20,000 | 稅出稅入達到平衡 |
| 00:21:20,000 | 00:21:22,000 | 3兆9,260是平衡的 |
| 00:21:22,000 | 00:21:24,000 | 我們並沒有超越 |
| 00:21:24,000 | 00:21:26,000 | 所以這個是因為我們的GDP |
| 00:21:26,000 | 00:21:28,000 | 增加了 我們是因為整個 |
| 00:21:28,000 | 00:21:30,000 | 經濟發展 政府必須做更多的投資 |
| 00:21:30,000 | 00:21:32,000 | 本身的投資跟協助民間的投資 |
| 00:21:32,000 | 00:21:34,000 | 都要政府來做 |
| 00:21:34,000 | 00:21:36,000 | 政策性的引導 |
| 00:21:36,000 | 00:21:38,000 | 才會更加的向民間的發展起來 |
| 00:21:40,000 | 00:21:42,000 | 我的財務的概念跟投資 |
| 00:21:42,000 | 00:21:44,000 | 企業經營也不會比各位差 |
| 00:21:44,000 | 00:21:46,000 | 我現在想問的 |
| 00:21:46,000 | 00:21:48,000 | 就是說 |
| 00:21:48,000 | 00:21:50,000 | 你們常常講 |
| 00:21:50,000 | 00:21:52,000 | 你這個普發1萬 |
| 00:21:52,000 | 00:21:54,000 | 到底怎麼算的 |
| 00:21:54,000 | 00:21:56,000 | 因為我們會有既有的稅入 |
| 00:21:56,000 | 00:21:58,000 | 稅出 超收真收的金額 |
| 00:21:58,000 | 00:22:00,000 | 那超收的金額 |
| 00:22:00,000 | 00:22:02,000 | 基本上我們當然都得 |
| 00:22:02,000 | 00:22:04,000 | 我明年可以不用舉債 |
| 00:22:04,000 | 00:22:06,000 | 再來我一定要是還債 |
| 00:22:06,000 | 00:22:08,000 | 看你是還長債還短債 |
| 00:22:08,000 | 00:22:10,000 | 還是還本 |
| 00:22:10,000 | 00:22:12,000 | 接下來的話 |
| 00:22:12,000 | 00:22:14,000 | 你這個才會納入到稅季的 |
| 00:22:14,000 | 00:22:16,000 | 年度稅季的剩餘 |
| 00:22:16,000 | 00:22:18,000 | 年度的稅季剩餘 |
| 00:22:18,000 | 00:22:20,000 | 年度的稅季剩餘才往下去說 |
| 00:22:20,000 | 00:22:22,000 | 大部分我們過去 |
| 00:22:22,000 | 00:22:24,000 | 就是特別條例的預算 |
| 00:22:24,000 | 00:22:26,000 | 不管是風災水災 |
| 00:22:26,000 | 00:22:28,000 | 或者是相關的 |
| 00:22:28,000 | 00:22:30,000 | 一些的一個預算 |
| 00:22:30,000 | 00:22:32,000 | 特別預算來使用 |
| 00:22:32,000 | 00:22:34,000 | 我覺得問題是說這每一個 |
| 00:22:34,000 | 00:22:36,000 | 都有一個市值 |
| 00:22:36,000 | 00:22:38,000 | 我想要知道的是 |
| 00:22:38,000 | 00:22:40,000 | 你們的參數%數是怎麼定的 |
| 00:22:40,000 | 00:22:42,000 | 詳細數是 |
| 00:22:42,000 | 00:22:44,000 | 不是說 |
| 00:22:44,000 | 00:22:46,000 | 我們在第一次跟總統報告 |
| 00:22:46,000 | 00:22:48,000 | 明年做總預算的時候 |
| 00:22:48,000 | 00:22:50,000 | 是沒有1萬塊的 |
| 00:22:50,000 | 00:22:52,000 | 這個主俱跟財政應該清楚 |
| 00:22:52,000 | 00:22:54,000 | 隨便一個回答 |
| 00:22:54,000 | 00:22:56,000 | 我們本來 |
| 00:22:56,000 | 00:22:58,000 | 還債還的金額是比較大 |
| 00:22:58,000 | 00:23:00,000 | 我們認為只要符合公債法 |
| 00:23:00,000 | 00:23:02,000 | 就可以 |
| 00:23:02,000 | 00:23:04,000 | 所以少還了大概200多億 |
| 00:23:04,000 | 00:23:06,000 | 另外把增加的稅收 |
| 00:23:06,000 | 00:23:08,000 | 大概600多億 |
| 00:23:08,000 | 00:23:10,000 | 600、700億 |
| 00:23:10,000 | 00:23:12,000 | 另外我們在舉金還救 |
| 00:23:12,000 | 00:23:14,000 | 沒有增加實質的債務 |
| 00:23:14,000 | 00:23:16,000 | 我們現在是2370億左右 |
| 00:23:16,000 | 00:23:18,000 | 這不會很難用 |
| 00:23:18,000 | 00:23:20,000 | 再花1萬塊不用舉債 |
| 00:23:20,000 | 00:23:22,000 | 我答應過公司產業 |
| 00:23:22,000 | 00:23:24,000 | 我希望政府就跟我們產業 |
| 00:23:24,000 | 00:23:26,000 | 跟我們公司是一樣的 |
| 00:23:26,000 | 00:23:28,000 | 事實上來講你應該是要有一個參數 |
| 00:23:28,000 | 00:23:30,000 | 參數你可以去調 |
| 00:23:30,000 | 00:23:32,000 | 我賺的錢超過多少金額 |
| 00:23:32,000 | 00:23:34,000 | 所以我就要決定 |
| 00:23:34,000 | 00:23:36,000 | 我多少起碼是不用借錢 |
| 00:23:36,000 | 00:23:38,000 | 我們在網上決定 |
| 00:23:38,000 | 00:23:40,000 | 我們沒有實質增加債務 |
| 00:23:40,000 | 00:23:42,000 | 先聽我講 |
| 00:23:42,000 | 00:23:44,000 | 我就是減少不用舉債 |
| 00:23:44,000 | 00:23:46,000 | 再來的話我決定我要還債的金額 |
| 00:23:46,000 | 00:23:48,000 | 還本還是還利 |
| 00:23:48,000 | 00:23:50,000 | 再來的話 |
| 00:23:50,000 | 00:23:52,000 | 我才會有剩餘的部分 |
| 00:23:52,000 | 00:23:54,000 | 剩餘的部分一樣還是一定的比例 |
| 00:23:54,000 | 00:23:56,000 | 我是要留作風險的準備金 |
| 00:23:56,000 | 00:23:58,000 | 還是我要投資我未來 |
| 00:23:58,000 | 00:24:00,000 | 因為我未來要擴產 |
| 00:24:00,000 | 00:24:02,000 | 未來要產生設備 |
| 00:24:02,000 | 00:24:04,000 | 剩下的哪些多少比例 |
| 00:24:04,000 | 00:24:06,000 | 我是要來發給股東的公司的鼓勵 |
| 00:24:08,000 | 00:24:10,000 | 我意思說 |
| 00:24:10,000 | 00:24:12,000 | 政府有沒有這樣子的一個模型 |
| 00:24:12,000 | 00:24:14,000 | 一個公式 |
| 00:24:14,000 | 00:24:16,000 | 你不能每次都是憑感覺 |
| 00:24:16,000 | 00:24:18,000 | 現在憑感覺一定有 |
| 00:24:18,000 | 00:24:20,000 | 我也大部分贊成 |
| 00:24:20,000 | 00:24:22,000 | 我們第一個是要依法 |
| 00:24:22,000 | 00:24:24,000 | 必須先還債 |
| 00:24:24,000 | 00:24:26,000 | Finance的model跟公司 |
| 00:24:26,000 | 00:24:28,000 | 我想要問說政府在做這件事情 |
| 00:24:28,000 | 00:24:30,000 | 不要憑感覺 |
| 00:24:30,000 | 00:24:32,000 | 為什麼要憑感覺 |
| 00:24:32,000 | 00:24:34,000 | 來我問你審計部說我們上半年 |
| 00:24:34,000 | 00:24:36,000 | 超徵多少金額 |
| 00:24:36,000 | 00:24:38,000 | 4000多億 |
| 00:24:38,000 | 00:24:40,000 | 4000多億 |
| 00:24:40,000 | 00:24:42,000 | 審計部說的其實第一個 |
| 00:24:42,000 | 00:24:44,000 | 他是用115年的預算案數 |
| 00:24:44,000 | 00:24:46,000 | 但是通過的預算 |
| 00:24:46,000 | 00:24:48,000 | 是才 |
| 00:24:48,000 | 00:24:50,000 | 整體的稅客收入是3兆零 |
| 00:24:50,000 | 00:24:52,000 | 807億 |
| 00:24:52,000 | 00:24:54,000 | 8月為止 |
| 00:24:54,000 | 00:24:56,000 | 他其實是 |
| 00:24:56,000 | 00:24:58,000 | 你來告訴我數字時間不夠了 |
| 00:24:58,000 | 00:25:00,000 | 我們達到的預算數 |
| 00:25:00,000 | 00:25:02,000 | 是67.7% |
| 00:25:02,000 | 00:25:04,000 | 所以沒有所謂的超徵的情況 |
| 00:25:04,000 | 00:25:06,000 | 目前預算都還在 |
| 00:25:06,000 | 00:25:08,000 | 執行當中 |
| 00:25:08,000 | 00:25:10,000 | 目前來說只達到預算數的67.7% |
| 00:25:10,000 | 00:25:12,000 | 稅客收入 |
| 00:25:12,000 | 00:25:14,000 | 所以你覺得不會超徵 |
| 00:25:14,000 | 00:25:16,000 | 我們股市已經快上5萬了 |
| 00:25:16,000 | 00:25:18,000 | 昨天的成家 |
| 00:25:18,000 | 00:25:20,000 | 基本上是1兆多 |
| 00:25:20,000 | 00:25:22,000 | 我們會按照預算數來做 |
| 00:25:22,000 | 00:25:24,000 | 實收數跟預算數來做 |
| 00:25:24,000 | 00:25:26,000 | 我剛剛也跟你講過去的歷史 |
| 00:25:26,000 | 00:25:28,000 | 我們每一年超徵的稅收 |
| 00:25:28,000 | 00:25:30,000 | 基本上都到3、4千億以上 |
| 00:25:30,000 | 00:25:32,000 | 所以基本上來講的話 |
| 00:25:32,000 | 00:25:34,000 | 是夠的 |
| 00:25:34,000 | 00:25:36,000 | 所以很多人特別預算 |
| 00:25:36,000 | 00:25:38,000 | 支應國際形勢 |
| 00:25:38,000 | 00:25:40,000 | 支應各種災害 |
| 00:25:40,000 | 00:25:42,000 | 扣掉環照 |
| 00:25:42,000 | 00:25:44,000 | 扣掉你未來投資支出 |
| 00:25:44,000 | 00:25:46,000 | 你這些比預算出來是多少之後 |
| 00:25:46,000 | 00:25:48,000 | 你才不會被人家質疑 |
| 00:25:48,000 | 00:25:50,000 | 為什麼可以普發1萬 |
| 00:25:50,000 | 00:25:52,000 | 你們普發1萬 |
| 00:25:52,000 | 00:25:54,000 | 就是怎樣 |
| 00:25:54,000 | 00:25:56,000 | 我們在野黨發錢 |
| 00:25:56,000 | 00:25:58,000 | 哪裡就說我們窮排 |
| 00:25:58,000 | 00:26:00,000 | 委員你也要算收入 |
| 00:26:00,000 | 00:26:02,000 | 你要算支出 |
| 00:26:02,000 | 00:26:04,000 | 所以我說你的公司你的家權 |
| 00:26:04,000 | 00:26:06,000 | 要弄出來 |
| 00:26:06,000 | 00:26:08,000 | 你要讓大家可以清楚的看到 |
| 00:26:08,000 | 00:26:10,000 | 有多少比例是用在環照 |
| 00:26:10,000 | 00:26:12,000 | 多少比例是投資 |
| 00:26:12,000 | 00:26:14,000 | 投資未來這個東西未來又可以增加 |
| 00:26:14,000 | 00:26:16,000 | 幫政府收掉錢 |
| 00:26:16,000 | 00:26:18,000 | 兩三年當中每一年稅收 |
| 00:26:18,000 | 00:26:20,000 | 稅收跟支出的金額 |
| 00:26:20,000 | 00:26:22,000 | 很清楚的擺在委員面前 |
| 00:26:22,000 | 00:26:24,000 | 不是,我的意思是回答我那個問題 |
| 00:26:24,000 | 00:26:26,000 | 你現在下來之後人家才不會質疑你 |
| 00:26:26,000 | 00:26:28,000 | 為什麼是普發1萬 |
| 00:26:28,000 | 00:26:30,000 | 為什麼不能普發1萬 |
| 00:26:30,000 | 00:26:32,000 | 為什麼不能普發2萬 |
| 00:26:32,000 | 00:26:34,000 | 為什麼不能普發1萬6800塊 |
| 00:26:34,000 | 00:26:36,000 | 1萬6800塊不是更好 |
| 00:26:36,000 | 00:26:38,000 | 一路發啊 |
| 00:26:38,000 | 00:26:40,000 | 我剛剛跟委員報告過啦 |
| 00:26:40,000 | 00:26:42,000 | 不只台北升起來嗎 |
| 00:26:42,000 | 00:26:44,000 | 台北上公台北打的環站是比較好啊 |
| 00:26:44,000 | 00:26:46,000 | 課稅收入的錢 |
| 00:26:46,000 | 00:26:48,000 | 我的意思就是說 |
| 00:26:48,000 | 00:26:50,000 | 你要給我一個金額 |
| 00:26:50,000 | 00:26:52,000 | 不然你永遠陷入 |
| 00:26:52,000 | 00:26:54,000 | 大家在花菜吃的價錢 |
| 00:26:54,000 | 00:26:56,000 | 你那1萬 |
| 00:26:56,000 | 00:26:58,000 | 你都沒出道理 |
| 00:26:58,000 | 00:27:00,000 | 你那1萬也有道理 |
| 00:27:00,000 | 00:27:02,000 | 你要有個柿子嘛 |
| 00:27:02,000 | 00:27:04,000 | 那乾脆我再加碼一個 |
| 00:27:04,000 | 00:27:06,000 | 我們兩個折中1萬6800塊 |
| 00:27:06,000 | 00:27:08,000 | 大家台灣一定發嘛 |
| 00:27:08,000 | 00:27:10,000 | 那你把錢從哪裡來啊 |
| 00:27:10,000 | 00:27:12,000 | 錢我就幫你算好啊 |
| 00:27:12,000 | 00:27:14,000 | 我也可以算一本帳給你 |
| 00:27:14,000 | 00:27:16,000 | 你的錢都算不出來 |
| 00:27:16,000 | 00:27:18,000 | 這兩三年特別運算支出的錢 |
| 00:27:18,000 | 00:27:20,000 | 都不算,因應國際情勢 |
| 00:27:20,000 | 00:27:22,000 | 因應各個債後重建 |
| 00:27:22,000 | 00:27:24,000 | 那你只算我們增加的稅 |
| 00:27:24,000 | 00:27:26,000 | 我沒有說增加的稅收 |
| 00:27:26,000 | 00:27:28,000 | 不要搞錯 |
| 00:27:28,000 | 00:27:30,000 | 我剛剛已經幫你上課了嘛 |
| 00:27:30,000 | 00:27:32,000 | 所以我就說 |
| 00:27:32,000 | 00:27:34,000 | 把公事參數調出來 |
| 00:27:34,000 | 00:27:36,000 | 你就可以比較有理直氣壯 |
| 00:27:36,000 | 00:27:38,000 | 不然說實在的 |
| 00:27:38,000 | 00:27:40,000 | 我們本性應該理得的 |
| 00:27:40,000 | 00:27:42,000 | 那個1萬塊喔 |
| 00:27:42,000 | 00:27:44,000 | 講白就是在花期 |
| 00:27:44,000 | 00:27:46,000 | 這是以前的我的經驗 |
| 00:27:46,000 | 00:27:48,000 | 只是提供給你們參考 |
| 00:27:48,000 | 00:27:50,000 | 再來最後的時間 |
| 00:27:50,000 | 00:27:52,000 | 我想要替馬潘安西 |
| 00:27:56,000 | 00:27:58,000 | 因為馬潘安西的這個災害 |
| 00:27:58,000 | 00:28:00,000 | 因為我很關心,我也不是花蓮人 |
| 00:28:00,000 | 00:28:02,000 | 我也不是,我只是覺得 |
| 00:28:02,000 | 00:28:04,000 | 我是以前高雄氣爆的受災戶 |
| 00:28:04,000 | 00:28:06,000 | 所以我很理解 |
| 00:28:06,000 | 00:28:08,000 | 受災戶的一個心情 |
| 00:28:08,000 | 00:28:10,000 | 那這邊的話 |
| 00:28:10,000 | 00:28:12,000 | 我們特別運算也編了 |
| 00:28:12,000 | 00:28:14,000 | 也開始做執行 |
| 00:28:14,000 | 00:28:16,000 | 那我在上個會期我當任經紀人會 |
| 00:28:16,000 | 00:28:18,000 | 招尾的時候 |
| 00:28:18,000 | 00:28:20,000 | 我5月4號去考察 |
| 00:28:20,000 | 00:28:22,000 | 6月29號我有去考察 |
| 00:28:22,000 | 00:28:24,000 | 好 |
| 00:28:24,000 | 00:28:26,000 | 往下 |
| 00:28:26,000 | 00:28:28,000 | 再用一點時間播放一下當地的新生 |
| 00:28:32,000 | 00:28:34,000 | 有聲音 |
| 00:28:36,000 | 00:28:38,000 | 那可能是趙靈跟吉森 |
| 00:28:38,000 | 00:28:40,000 | 這個政策好像在我 |
| 00:28:40,000 | 00:28:42,000 | 那個狀態性中正在浮現到 |
| 00:28:42,000 | 00:28:44,000 | 6年,6、10萬 |
| 00:28:44,000 | 00:28:46,000 | 10萬,那是一公尺 |
| 00:28:46,000 | 00:28:48,000 | 10萬我們幹嘛 |
| 00:28:48,000 | 00:28:50,000 | 或是請大家看字幕 |
| 00:28:50,000 | 00:28:52,000 | 該徵收的不徵收 |
| 00:28:52,000 | 00:28:54,000 | 徵收,自用徵收,加購,這是強制百姓 |
| 00:28:54,000 | 00:28:56,000 | 剛剛我隨便抽一顆雜拋起來 |
| 00:28:56,000 | 00:28:58,000 | 大概只有半個手掌 |
| 00:28:58,000 | 00:29:00,000 | 那麼浮滿,那個離譜的 |
| 00:29:00,000 | 00:29:02,000 | 代表我們的作物沒有辦法往下長 |
| 00:29:02,000 | 00:29:04,000 | 像現在這個地又硬又黏又濕 |
| 00:29:04,000 | 00:29:06,000 | 某種程度上可以說是它是黏土 |
| 00:29:06,000 | 00:29:08,000 | 這樣的東西怎麼去種 |
| 00:29:08,000 | 00:29:10,000 | 那你現在看這一塊 |
| 00:29:10,000 | 00:29:12,000 | 大概兩米多啦 |
| 00:29:12,000 | 00:29:14,000 | 應該是超過接近三米 |
| 00:29:14,000 | 00:29:16,000 | 讓土不要流進來 |
| 00:29:16,000 | 00:29:18,000 | 就是靠疊沙包啦等等 |
| 00:29:18,000 | 00:29:20,000 | 還有一個就是一直不斷地去清淤 |
| 00:29:20,000 | 00:29:22,000 | 要蓋多少沙包才可以阻擋 |
| 00:29:22,000 | 00:29:24,000 | 這根本沒有可能 |
| 00:29:24,000 | 00:29:26,000 | 土石還在這邊啦 |
| 00:29:26,000 | 00:29:28,000 | 你們一直把Diva加高 |
| 00:29:28,000 | 00:29:30,000 | Diva加高之後 |
| 00:29:30,000 | 00:29:32,000 | 我們會安全嗎 |
| 00:29:32,000 | 00:29:34,000 | 你們有沒有考慮到 |
| 00:29:34,000 | 00:29:36,000 | 我們蘑菇蝦 |
| 00:29:36,000 | 00:29:38,000 | 還有五條蜥 |
| 00:29:38,000 | 00:29:40,000 | 這個蜥都很光大 |
| 00:29:40,000 | 00:29:42,000 | 你把Diva弄得那麼高 |
| 00:29:42,000 | 00:29:44,000 | 你們有想到讓五條蜥的水 |
| 00:29:44,000 | 00:29:46,000 | 流出去嗎 |
| 00:29:46,000 | 00:29:48,000 | 之前經濟部建會推給農糧署 |
| 00:29:48,000 | 00:29:50,000 | 後來又跟我們說 |
| 00:29:50,000 | 00:29:52,000 | 因為過來所屬於零件機具 |
| 00:29:52,000 | 00:29:54,000 | 又不能算到農機具 |
| 00:29:54,000 | 00:29:56,000 | 1月回復要補助 |
| 00:29:56,000 | 00:29:58,000 | 3月回復補助非常不足 |
| 00:29:58,000 | 00:30:00,000 | 中央補助了我們35萬重建 |
| 00:30:00,000 | 00:30:02,000 | 門窗都不夠 |
| 00:30:02,000 | 00:30:04,000 | 923到現在已經幾個月了 |
| 00:30:04,000 | 00:30:06,000 | 還有很多的住宅 |
| 00:30:06,000 | 00:30:08,000 | 大愛知識新災民的心聲 |
| 00:30:08,000 | 00:30:10,000 | 再往下一頁 |
| 00:30:10,000 | 00:30:12,000 | 這個是我在去考察的 |
| 00:30:12,000 | 00:30:14,000 | 民旅村再往下 |
| 00:30:14,000 | 00:30:16,000 | 這邊的話我這一張投影片 |
| 00:30:16,000 | 00:30:18,000 | 我會再發給公共工程會 |
| 00:30:18,000 | 00:30:20,000 | 農業部跟經濟部 |
| 00:30:20,000 | 00:30:22,000 | 拜託這些問題 |
| 00:30:22,000 | 00:30:24,000 | 到現在都還沒有完全的解決 |
| 00:30:24,000 | 00:30:26,000 | 不管是農民的生計 |
| 00:30:26,000 | 00:30:28,000 | 因為現在 |
| 00:30:28,000 | 00:30:30,000 | 還有一些災後的補助 |
| 00:30:30,000 | 00:30:32,000 | 我們都希望迅速到位 |
| 00:30:32,000 | 00:30:34,000 | 好不好 謝謝 |
| 00:30:34,000 | 00:30:36,000 | 謝謝各位我們剛剛災民的各種聲音跟意見 |
| 00:30:46,000 | 00:30:48,000 | 好 |
| 00:30:48,000 | 00:30:50,000 | 謝謝宏偉委員 |
| 00:30:50,000 | 00:30:52,000 | 謝謝卓院長 |