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洪孟楷 @ 第11屆第6會期第2次會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:05,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:00:23,000 | 00:00:26,000 | 好 仔細謝謝 麻煩請總統太院長 |
| 00:00:27,000 | 00:00:29,000 | 請 總院長回席 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:32,000 | 請 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:39,000 | 洪委員好 |
| 00:00:39,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 院長好 院長 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:43,000 | 2026年剩兩個多月的時間 |
| 00:00:43,000 | 00:00:45,000 | 那過去四年啊 |
| 00:00:45,000 | 00:00:49,000 | 我們年度台灣都會選出年度代表字 |
| 00:00:49,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 2022年我們就回顧一下 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 2022年年度代表字是 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 您知道嗎 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 長 萬物皆長物價上漲的長 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:03,000 | 2023年年度代表字是缺 |
| 00:01:03,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 缺水缺電的缺 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 2024年年度代表字叫貪 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:11,000 | 貪官枉法貪官無力的貪 |
| 00:01:11,000 | 00:01:13,000 | 2025年叫做罷 |
| 00:01:13,000 | 00:01:15,000 | 大罷免大惡罷的罷 |
| 00:01:15,000 | 00:01:19,000 | 到2026年還剩兩個多月的時間 |
| 00:01:19,000 | 00:01:21,000 | 院長有沒有心目中你認為 |
| 00:01:21,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 今年台灣年度代表字會是什麼 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:24,000 | 拼 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:25,000 | 拼啊 |
| 00:01:25,000 | 00:01:26,000 | 為什麼 |
| 00:01:26,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 大家都很拼 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:29,000 | 很拼拼什麼 |
| 00:01:29,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 拼經濟拼科技拼發展 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:33,000 | 然後有拼政治 |
| 00:01:33,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 因為我看您六日也是趴趴走 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 為很多民進黨的候選人來服選 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 不過沒關係 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 大家都有分工 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:41,000 | 院長來 |
| 00:01:41,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 很多人講是說可能跟民眾的感受 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:45,000 | 不一定那麼一致 |
| 00:01:45,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 因為很多人講說有可能2026年 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:50,000 | 年度代表字會是毒啊 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 毒 毒價的毒 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 因為之前毒品駕車事件 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:56,000 | 真的是高居不下 |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 現在已經在翻向環了 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 毒油7月8月毒油之亂 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:03,000 | 確實讓全台灣的民眾人心惶惶 |
| 00:02:03,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 還有毒品的問題 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:07,000 | 所以我想先請教一下院長 |
| 00:02:07,000 | 00:02:09,000 | 台灣是不是一個毒品零容忍的國家 |
| 00:02:09,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 是 我們可以拼凡毒 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:14,000 | 我們一定會毒品零容忍嘛 對不對 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:15,000 | 是 好 |
| 00:02:15,000 | 00:02:17,000 | 對於現在我們看到有 |
| 00:02:19,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 執政黨的委員 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 過去主張講說 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 我們應該要仿效其他國家 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 建立社區中心 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 提供吸毒者毒品跟乾淨的針頭 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:29,000 | 你認同嗎 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:02:31,000 | 台北市目前的狀況 |
| 00:02:31,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 有34家社區藥局 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 在做這樣的工作 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:37,000 | 有提供毒品給人家嗎 |
| 00:02:37,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 有19 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 我們現在美沙東 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 提供毒品給 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 美沙東算是藥品還是毒品 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:45,000 | 那是二級管制藥品 |
| 00:02:45,000 | 00:02:47,000 | 是 藥品嘛 對 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 好啊 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:49,000 | 但是我現在問的是說 |
| 00:02:49,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 有人 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 有執政黨委員認為是說 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 應該要仿效 |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 在社區中心 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 不管是哪一個社區 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 我不知道他想要指的哪一個社區 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:02:59,000 | 所以說大家也要問他嘛 |
| 00:02:59,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 但更重要的是 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:03,000 | 要提供毒品跟乾淨的針頭 |
| 00:03:03,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 你可以認同嗎 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:05,000 | 還是哪一個國家 |
| 00:03:05,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 現在已經有在做這樣 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 台北市也有19處的自動服務機 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:09,000 | 在提供針頭 |
| 00:03:09,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 你認不認同嘛 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:11,000 | 你先講認不認同說 |
| 00:03:11,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 提供毒品跟針頭給人家 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 這是一個減害的措施 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:17,000 | 全世界是有國際驗證過的 |
| 00:03:17,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 那台灣很多的城市 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 所以院長你認同這樣的講法囉 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:21,000 | 也都這樣在做 |
| 00:03:21,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 我們已經這樣在做啦 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:23,000 | 你認同這樣的講法 |
| 00:03:23,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 不是 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 要在社區中心提供毒品跟針頭給一般民眾 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 哇這算是反毒嗎 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 請委員要把它講精準一點 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 因為我現在都用的是執政黨委員 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 他的文章裡面的話 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:37,000 | 我沒有加油添醋 |
| 00:03:37,000 | 00:03:38,000 | 但我現在想問的是 |
| 00:03:38,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 這樣的主張跟這樣的立場 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:41,000 | 是我們現在執政黨的立場嗎 |
| 00:03:41,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 我們現在已經在做的事實 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 事實的狀況 |
| 00:03:45,000 | 00:03:47,000 | 我們就依照這個事實來解釋 |
| 00:03:47,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 院長你認為 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 毒癮跟什麼買模型玩具的癮一樣嗎 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 跟吃美食的癮一樣嗎 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 藉癮跟減害 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:03:59,000 | 不是兩件完全相同的事情 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:01,000 | 所以你覺得毒癮跟買模型玩具 |
| 00:04:01,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 跟吃美食的癮是一樣的 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:04,000 | 那當然不一樣啊 |
| 00:04:04,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 當然不一樣啊 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 所以會講出這樣的話的人其實也蠻荒謬的 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 但是你不會到社區的藥局去吃美食啊 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:12,000 | 對其實也很荒謬嘛對不對 |
| 00:04:12,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 不會啊 |
| 00:04:13,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 所以我們現在想要問的是 |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:17,000 | 到底有沒有可能 |
| 00:04:17,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 不管是衛福部 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:19,000 | 不管是法務部 |
| 00:04:19,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 不管是教育部 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 未來要在社區中心建立 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 可以提供毒品 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 吸毒者毒品跟乾淨的針頭 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:29,000 | 我們有可能會往這樣的方向來去做施政嗎 |
| 00:04:29,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 我已經在跟委員報告過了 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:33,000 | 我們會不會這樣子 |
| 00:04:33,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 台北市的做法 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 34處的社區藥局 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 我想就在做那種減害的政策 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 完全不敢正面回答 |
| 00:04:41,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 正面回答 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:44,000 | 泡一句現在崔上跟大家很愛講的話說 |
| 00:04:44,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 問A打B |
| 00:04:45,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 問A打B |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:48,000 | 你完全是問A打B |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 你完全沒有在針對本席的問題回答問題 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 本席的問題 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 因為現在執政黨的委員提出來 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 還有現在是本席在問您問題 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:00,000 | 您負責回答 |
| 00:05:00,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 來院長我再請教一下 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 所以毒品跟藥品可以直接畫上等號嗎 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 你剛剛講美沙東 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 美沙東到底是毒品還是藥品 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 毒品跟藥品能不能畫上等號 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 我們請專業來做 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 毒品跟藥品能不能畫上等號 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 現在我再請教卓榮泰院長 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 毒品跟藥品當然不一樣 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:21,000 | 當然不一樣 |
| 00:05:21,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 所以如果說有人要講說把毒品跟藥品畫上等號的話 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 那其實是一個很荒謬的事情 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 再來正式毒品只是藥 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 在社區社區不會有人要把毒品上發給 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 所以毒品只是藥嗎 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 你要硬把它解釋成這個樣子 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 我們也是在沒有辦法 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:42,000 | 我們就以台北市現狀來說 |
| 00:05:42,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 以及社會大眾想要了解 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:47,000 | 為什麼會有執政黨的委員過去有這樣的主張 |
| 00:05:47,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 這樣的主張到底跟我們現在台灣主流民意有沒有背道而馳 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 如果有背道而馳的話 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 他其實可以改口啊 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 但是今天我們拿執政黨委員過去的文章來請教你的時候 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 你也不敢回答 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:02,000 | 然後正式毒品只是藥 |
| 00:06:02,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 我們以台北市的現狀來回答委員 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:07,000 | 這個是最接近現在事實的 |
| 00:06:07,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 跟委員說明 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 馬飛跟海洛因都是一級毒品 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 美沙東是二級毒品 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 我想非常厲害 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:19,000 | 這一些毒品能夠再有執政 |
| 00:06:19,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 然後要有規劃 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 管理下他可以當作藥品來使用 |
| 00:06:24,000 | 00:06:26,000 | 所以本席現在想要講的另外一個議題 |
| 00:06:26,000 | 00:06:28,000 | 你剛剛第一個問題沒有辦法很明確回答 |
| 00:06:28,000 | 00:06:29,000 | 那沒關係那再來 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 我們已經解釋了怎麼會沒有明確回答了 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:33,000 | 本席過去到現在也都提了 |
| 00:06:33,000 | 00:06:36,000 | 像我們這一次立法院在野黨委員52位 |
| 00:06:36,000 | 00:06:38,000 | 都已經連署通過中選會 |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:41,000 | 要有這個所謂的邊行打擊詐騙公投 |
| 00:06:41,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 很遺憾被中選會沒收 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 但是當時我們要講的是什麼 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:48,000 | 我們要講的是其實我們希望能夠提供 |
| 00:06:48,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 政府一個強而有力但是 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 富有法律保障的武器 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 能夠來對付犯罪 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:57,000 | 降低詐騙、降低性侵、降低虐童 |
| 00:06:57,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 這一些只要能夠做我們都應該做 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 這不分朝野黨派 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 那因為中選會把它沒收了很遺憾 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 但是本席也負責任的 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 負責任的把本席的修法版本給提出來 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 並且本席的修法版本裡面 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 也獲得委員的連署 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 目前即將要進入到一讀會 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:19,000 | 好,本席再一次強調跟說明清楚 |
| 00:07:19,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 第一,性侵虐童詐騙以及毒品駕車後致死 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 這樣子的一個重大犯罪其實是產無人道的 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:29,000 | 而且是層出不窮的 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 我們不希望這樣的事情發生 |
| 00:07:31,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 我相信院長也好或是說在野黨委員一樣 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:37,000 | 大家都一致就是要對付 |
| 00:07:37,000 | 00:07:41,000 | 那現在有看到我們有這個行政院馬上講 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 是說有可能這樣的修法會違反兩公約 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:45,000 | 而給了軟墊子 |
| 00:07:45,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 我想先請教一下比較直接的概念 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 所以本席提出來這樣的一個修法 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 這個也參考過去在野時候民進黨委員的主張 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 甚至潘孟安、徐國勇、蔡其昌 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:01,000 | 現在身兼民進黨要職的秘書長 |
| 00:08:01,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 也都有連署這樣的一個版本 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:05,000 | 那本席提出來修法之後 |
| 00:08:05,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 法務部或行政院會不會有相對應的版本 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 首先對於這個重大惡行的犯罪加重他的刑責 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 這是大家的共識 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 行政院的方向也是朝這個方向在前進 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:20,000 | 但是本席連出來這個重刑 |
| 00:08:20,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 兩公約是要遵守的 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:23,000 | 我們再回顧世界上 |
| 00:08:23,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 目前僅有少數國家使用邊刑 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:28,000 | 到底邊刑它能夠產生多大的效益 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 這有待進一步的去商榷跟討論 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 本席去年一週年已經提出來 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 我們也報告說新加坡有這樣的邊刑 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 本席也提供相關的資料 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 並且本席也建議說法務部也好、外交部也好 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 可以去新加坡去了解 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 請教過去這一年有沒有去了解 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 邊刑它是向新加坡是因為直接沿系英國的做法 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 英國已經佔了最有廢詞的邊刑 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 新加坡就是說重大的這些差異 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 是不是嚴厲、是不是主張 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 我剛講的這些是不是新加坡都繼續有在邊刑 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 它那個只有限縮在50歲以下的男子才會 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 您的資料也錯誤了 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 然後對副委員、對市委員、對這個年紀的人 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 他們也炸彈的話會利用這些人來做一些等級的判斷 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:16,000 | 請讓院長回答 |
| 00:09:16,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 來,院長 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 那我也看到說民進黨委員也講 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 就是說其實也可以把貪污、立委犯罪、收入、列入邊刑 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:29,000 | 所以請教執政黨、護士、行政院 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 會不會把中央的版本把這些委員的提案一起納進來 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:35,000 | 然後變成是一個版本然後拿出來來做討論 |
| 00:09:35,000 | 00:09:37,000 | 因為有委員提出要用邊刑 |
| 00:09:37,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 所以另外有委員提出一些比較反向的思考 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 但是行政院會認為重大政策不是用反向思考來做討論跟對比的 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:53,000 | 我們應該衡量的是邊刑符不符合現在世界的人權的思想 |
| 00:09:53,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 邊刑在大多數的國家是不是被接受 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 成為人權的思想 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 全台民眾對於政府要求治安的期待 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:07,000 | 以及過去對於犯罪的縱容 |
| 00:10:07,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 這是人民想要看到政府有更強而有力積極的作為 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 這是為什麼過去有八千的民意 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:22,000 | 認為是邊刑打擊詐騙、虐童性侵、以及這樣只是高度民意的產權 |
| 00:10:22,000 | 00:10:25,000 | 如果行政院長還聽不到這樣的民意的話 |
| 00:10:25,000 | 00:10:27,000 | 我感到非常遺憾 |
| 00:10:27,000 | 00:10:33,000 | 但是人民會用實際行動告訴行政院什麼才是真正的民意 |
| 00:10:33,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 再來我們提高刑罰的修正已經送到大院來了 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 大院去提高刑罰的各種法律學生案 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:46,000 | 而且大院已經都通過那個行政大法院 |
| 00:10:46,000 | 00:10:48,000 | 請發到這些的假期 |
| 00:10:48,000 | 00:10:51,000 | 這個三級的那個法文詐欺三級 |
| 00:10:51,000 | 00:10:53,000 | 市長一直在干擾本席的質詢 |
| 00:10:53,000 | 00:10:57,000 | 我不知道說部長是想要救駕還是想要篡位 |
| 00:10:57,000 | 00:10:58,000 | 不然怎麼會 |
| 00:10:58,000 | 00:11:02,000 | 主席委員夫說了我們對行政法加重修法的努力 |
| 00:11:02,000 | 00:11:04,000 | 市長時間可以請暫停嗎 |
| 00:11:04,000 | 00:11:06,000 | 而且這是回應立法要求 |
| 00:11:06,000 | 00:11:10,000 | 根據立法院職權刑事法第22條精神 |
| 00:11:10,000 | 00:11:13,000 | 對委員之答覆,是由行政院院長答覆 |
| 00:11:13,000 | 00:11:18,000 | 或由質詢委員指定之有關部會首長答覆 |
| 00:11:18,000 | 00:11:22,000 | 委員如果沒有指定,就請部會首長不要搶答 |
| 00:11:25,000 | 00:11:26,000 | 市長我可以繼續嗎 |
| 00:11:26,000 | 00:11:29,000 | 部長,本席要求你回答的時候,請你回答 |
| 00:11:29,000 | 00:11:32,000 | 沒有要求你回答的時候,請不要篡位 |
| 00:11:32,000 | 00:11:34,000 | 來,院長,那我請教 |
| 00:11:34,000 | 00:11:38,000 | 現在我們也提出來,因為獨駕非常的嚴峻 |
| 00:11:38,000 | 00:11:41,000 | 而獨駕致死更是慘絕人寰 |
| 00:11:41,000 | 00:11:43,000 | 我們常常講說這就是不定期炸彈 |
| 00:11:43,000 | 00:11:46,000 | 那既然這樣的話,本席也已經有修法主張 |
| 00:11:46,000 | 00:11:50,000 | 就是如果說,獨駕致死最高應該判處死刑 |
| 00:11:50,000 | 00:11:52,000 | 無期徒刑或12年以上有期徒刑 |
| 00:11:52,000 | 00:11:56,000 | 這就是您剛剛一直強調的,說要把刑責加重 |
| 00:11:56,000 | 00:11:58,000 | 你說刑責加重,行政院是支持的 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:12:00,000 | 所以,本席這樣的一個修法版本 |
| 00:12:00,000 | 00:12:03,000 | 目前民進黨團不同意 |
| 00:12:03,000 | 00:12:05,000 | 那我不知道說行政部門現在這邊 |
| 00:12:05,000 | 00:12:06,000 | 有沒有可能有同意的機會 |
| 00:12:06,000 | 00:12:08,000 | 因為如果說行政部門同意的話 |
| 00:12:08,000 | 00:12:10,000 | 也許我們就可以直接 |
| 00:12:10,000 | 00:12:12,000 | 在這個禮拜五院會的時候三讀通過 |
| 00:12:12,000 | 00:12:17,000 | 大院裡面的修法,朝野各黨團的意見 |
| 00:12:17,000 | 00:12:19,000 | 我想要彼此互相的遵守 |
| 00:12:19,000 | 00:12:21,000 | 同時也要符合憲法的精神 |
| 00:12:21,000 | 00:12:22,000 | 你自己的態度 |
| 00:12:22,000 | 00:12:24,000 | 如果是唯一死刑,將來是不是 |
| 00:12:24,000 | 00:12:26,000 | 沒有唯一死刑,本席剛剛講的非常清楚 |
| 00:12:26,000 | 00:12:29,000 | 獨駕致死我們給法官做裁量權 |
| 00:12:29,000 | 00:12:32,000 | 如果獨駕致死最高判處死刑 |
| 00:12:32,000 | 00:12:34,000 | 無期徒刑或12年以上有期徒刑 |
| 00:12:34,000 | 00:12:37,000 | 這是法官的裁量權,我不會去干涉 |
| 00:12:37,000 | 00:12:39,000 | 但是本席修法完畢之後 |
| 00:12:39,000 | 00:12:41,000 | 請教行政院長認不認同 |
| 00:12:41,000 | 00:12:44,000 | 我們已經對特殊重大的暴力犯罪 |
| 00:12:44,000 | 00:12:47,000 | 擬具了刑法第77條的修正草案 |
| 00:12:47,000 | 00:12:50,000 | 那麼明定不能安全駕駛的罹犯 |
| 00:12:50,000 | 00:12:54,000 | 五年內不能在安全駕駛的這幾個條款 |
| 00:12:54,000 | 00:12:56,000 | 故意殺人、殺人未遂 |
| 00:12:56,000 | 00:12:58,000 | 或是惡劣致死等重傷的 |
| 00:12:58,000 | 00:13:01,000 | 都會處無期徒刑或超過12年刑 |
| 00:13:01,000 | 00:13:03,000 | 所以你不認同處死刑 |
| 00:13:03,000 | 00:13:05,000 | 那目前我們的態度是如此 |
| 00:13:05,000 | 00:13:07,000 | 所以行政院即便到現在 |
| 00:13:07,000 | 00:13:09,000 | 看到那麼多犯罪猖獗 |
| 00:13:09,000 | 00:13:13,000 | 也不願意即便我們沒有廢死 |
| 00:13:13,000 | 00:13:14,000 | 我們沒有廢死 |
| 00:13:14,000 | 00:13:16,000 | 你也不願意求處死刑 |
| 00:13:16,000 | 00:13:17,000 | 把死刑列入 |
| 00:13:17,000 | 00:13:18,000 | 我們沒有廢死 |
| 00:13:18,000 | 00:13:19,000 | 沒有廢死 |
| 00:13:19,000 | 00:13:20,000 | 沒有廢死啊 |
| 00:13:20,000 | 00:13:21,000 | 但即便現在沒有廢死 |
| 00:13:21,000 | 00:13:22,000 | 你如果實際上講沒有廢死 |
| 00:13:22,000 | 00:13:25,000 | 但是這樣子的一個產無人道的一個犯刑 |
| 00:13:25,000 | 00:13:28,000 | 你們行政院還是不同意處死刑 |
| 00:13:28,000 | 00:13:29,000 | 目前的修法的方向 |
| 00:13:29,000 | 00:13:31,000 | 為什麼每一次都讓我們看到 |
| 00:13:31,000 | 00:13:33,000 | 對於犯罪者那麼的包圍 |
| 00:13:33,000 | 00:13:35,000 | 目前在修正兩... |
| 00:13:35,000 | 00:13:37,000 | 為什麼每一次都要問A打B |
| 00:13:37,000 | 00:13:39,000 | A打B每一次都要問A打B |
| 00:13:39,000 | 00:13:40,000 | 問A打B |
| 00:13:40,000 | 00:13:41,000 | 問A打B |
| 00:13:41,000 | 00:13:46,000 | 你們到底跟被害者有什麼仇 |
| 00:13:46,000 | 00:13:49,000 | 靈滅未滿七歲兒童自死的是處於死刑 |
| 00:13:49,000 | 00:13:51,000 | 那也是在野黨修法通過了 |
| 00:13:51,000 | 00:13:53,000 | 你們當事人去反對 |
| 00:13:53,000 | 00:13:56,000 | 對,但是也是衡量到整個法律的 |
| 00:13:56,000 | 00:13:58,000 | 他整個衡量 |
| 00:13:58,000 | 00:14:00,000 | 國人都了解您的態度 |
| 00:14:00,000 | 00:14:01,000 | 再來 |
| 00:14:01,000 | 00:14:02,000 | 院長 |
| 00:14:02,000 | 00:14:05,000 | 還剩兩個月不到就要九合一選舉 |
| 00:14:05,000 | 00:14:07,000 | 選舉是民主的過程 |
| 00:14:07,000 | 00:14:08,000 | 本席非常尊重 |
| 00:14:08,000 | 00:14:10,000 | 因為本席有這個權利站在這邊 |
| 00:14:10,000 | 00:14:12,000 | 就是透過公平公正的選舉得來 |
| 00:14:12,000 | 00:14:16,000 | 所以我很珍惜每一票給我的選票的承諾 |
| 00:14:16,000 | 00:14:18,000 | 那九合一選舉的時候 |
| 00:14:18,000 | 00:14:20,000 | 其實最重要的是 |
| 00:14:20,000 | 00:14:22,000 | 我們不要有任何外界的干擾 |
| 00:14:22,000 | 00:14:25,000 | 所以說我們也絕對向會選說不 |
| 00:14:25,000 | 00:14:28,000 | 可是現在有個情況比較特別的狀況是 |
| 00:14:28,000 | 00:14:30,000 | 一般民間在講是說 |
| 00:14:30,000 | 00:14:31,000 | 過去有些事情 |
| 00:14:31,000 | 00:14:33,000 | 就包括說法務部之前 |
| 00:14:33,000 | 00:14:36,000 | 訂出所謂三十塊的文宣小物的標準 |
| 00:14:36,000 | 00:14:38,000 | 現在到底還有沒有這個標準 |
| 00:14:38,000 | 00:14:40,000 | 以及什麼能做什麼不能做 |
| 00:14:40,000 | 00:14:42,000 | 我想這個是不分黨派朝野 |
| 00:14:42,000 | 00:14:44,000 | 大家可以凝聚一個共識 |
| 00:14:44,000 | 00:14:47,000 | 畫出一個很精確的紅線 |
| 00:14:47,000 | 00:14:49,000 | 要求所有候選人都不要違法 |
| 00:14:49,000 | 00:14:50,000 | 您認同嗎 |
| 00:14:50,000 | 00:14:51,000 | 標準只有一個 |
| 00:14:51,000 | 00:14:52,000 | 請法務來說明 |
| 00:14:52,000 | 00:14:53,000 | 標準只有一個 |
| 00:14:53,000 | 00:14:54,000 | 所以我們來看一下 |
| 00:14:54,000 | 00:14:55,000 | 請教 |
| 00:14:55,000 | 00:15:00,000 | 如果說在競選場合發放這樣子的一個物品 |
| 00:15:00,000 | 00:15:01,000 | 每個人拿到一份 |
| 00:15:01,000 | 00:15:03,000 | 這部分算不算違法 |
| 00:15:03,000 | 00:15:04,000 | 算不算會選 |
| 00:15:04,000 | 00:15:05,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:15:05,000 | 00:15:07,000 | 這個最高檢察署有 |
| 00:15:07,000 | 00:15:09,000 | 你直接回答我 |
| 00:15:09,000 | 00:15:11,000 | 妨害選舉刑事案件的立舉 |
| 00:15:11,000 | 00:15:12,000 | 是 |
| 00:15:12,000 | 00:15:13,000 | 直接回答我 |
| 00:15:13,000 | 00:15:15,000 | 第三個不構成會選的話 |
| 00:15:15,000 | 00:15:17,000 | 這個有編號三 |
| 00:15:17,000 | 00:15:21,000 | 選舉造勢活動提供參加民眾適度之茶水 |
| 00:15:21,000 | 00:15:22,000 | 簡便餐飲 |
| 00:15:22,000 | 00:15:24,000 | 不預約社會場景 |
| 00:15:24,000 | 00:15:25,000 | 那這部分 |
| 00:15:25,000 | 00:15:27,000 | 所以這個算不算 |
| 00:15:27,000 | 00:15:29,000 | 這個要看有沒有社會場景 |
| 00:15:29,000 | 00:15:30,000 | 社會場景 |
| 00:15:30,000 | 00:15:32,000 | 本席就在問你有沒有社會場景 |
| 00:15:32,000 | 00:15:36,000 | 因為這沒有辦法講個案認定 |
| 00:15:36,000 | 00:15:37,000 | 因為兩個部分 |
| 00:15:37,000 | 00:15:41,000 | 國人現在普遍有一個認知是30塊以下 |
| 00:15:41,000 | 00:15:42,000 | 那這個超過30塊 |
| 00:15:42,000 | 00:15:43,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:15:43,000 | 00:15:44,000 | 另外一個部分 |
| 00:15:44,000 | 00:15:45,000 | 你要講說社會場景 |
| 00:15:45,000 | 00:15:47,000 | 允許我來做一個解釋 |
| 00:15:47,000 | 00:15:50,000 | 30塊就是一個發動偵查的門檻 |
| 00:15:50,000 | 00:15:53,000 | 並不是說30塊達到3以上就一定會選 |
| 00:15:53,000 | 00:15:56,000 | 或者是說未達30塊就不是會選 |
| 00:15:56,000 | 00:15:58,000 | 所以這樣有沒有超過30塊 |
| 00:15:58,000 | 00:15:59,000 | 這部分 |
| 00:15:59,000 | 00:16:01,000 | 以現在的物價實際上是多少 |
| 00:16:01,000 | 00:16:03,000 | 如果說這個是屬於高檔餐廳的 |
| 00:16:03,000 | 00:16:05,000 | 這個是超過30塊 |
| 00:16:05,000 | 00:16:06,000 | 可能幾百塊 |
| 00:16:06,000 | 00:16:08,000 | 那如果說路邊攤 |
| 00:16:08,000 | 00:16:09,000 | 我就不曉得這個是多少 |
| 00:16:09,000 | 00:16:10,000 | 好來下一張 |
| 00:16:11,000 | 00:16:13,000 | 這個有超過30塊嗎 |
| 00:16:13,000 | 00:16:15,000 | 這個我沒辦法去做 |
| 00:16:15,000 | 00:16:16,000 | 這個沒有標記 |
| 00:16:16,000 | 00:16:17,000 | 因為你剛剛講 |
| 00:16:17,000 | 00:16:19,000 | 部長現在本席可以請你回答 |
| 00:16:19,000 | 00:16:21,000 | 但是你剛剛講的東西很模糊 |
| 00:16:21,000 | 00:16:22,000 | 這也是模糊 |
| 00:16:22,000 | 00:16:24,000 | 這也是我們要透過質詢的時候來去查的 |
| 00:16:24,000 | 00:16:28,000 | 30塊只是一個發動偵查的門檻 |
| 00:16:28,000 | 00:16:29,000 | 本席現在講請教是說 |
| 00:16:29,000 | 00:16:31,000 | 如果說一般檢察官來講的話 |
| 00:16:31,000 | 00:16:32,000 | 你們內部 |
| 00:16:32,000 | 00:16:35,000 | 因為你們一定有行前教育 |
| 00:16:35,000 | 00:16:37,000 | 看到現在這樣子的話 |
| 00:16:37,000 | 00:16:38,000 | 檢察官要不要去查 |
| 00:16:38,000 | 00:16:40,000 | 要不要匯選 |
| 00:16:40,000 | 00:16:42,000 | 匯選就是以 |
| 00:16:42,000 | 00:16:45,000 | 他是不是可以變更影響 |
| 00:16:45,000 | 00:16:48,000 | 這個選舉權人的一個投票的意願 |
| 00:16:48,000 | 00:16:49,000 | 本席現在就講是說 |
| 00:16:49,000 | 00:16:51,000 | 現在的狀況就是標準是模糊 |
| 00:16:51,000 | 00:16:52,000 | 模糊 |
| 00:16:52,000 | 00:16:53,000 | 不動的 |
| 00:16:53,000 | 00:16:55,000 | 好像大覽不辦事 |
| 00:16:55,000 | 00:16:57,000 | 好像針對特定政黨的候選人 |
| 00:16:57,000 | 00:16:59,000 | 本席想要講是說 |
| 00:16:59,000 | 00:17:00,000 | 才會給你機會說明 |
| 00:17:00,000 | 00:17:02,000 | 但是你現在這個也說明不清楚 |
| 00:17:02,000 | 00:17:03,000 | 這個法案刑事 |
| 00:17:03,000 | 00:17:04,000 | 選舉刑事案件 |
| 00:17:04,000 | 00:17:06,000 | 法案局裡面有一些立法 |
| 00:17:06,000 | 00:17:08,000 | 一些是可以成立匯選 |
| 00:17:08,000 | 00:17:09,000 | 有些是不成立匯選嗎 |
| 00:17:09,000 | 00:17:11,000 | 怎麼會出來這些什麼東西 |
| 00:17:11,000 | 00:17:13,000 | 烤滷豬啊 |
| 00:17:13,000 | 00:17:16,000 | 如果說有候選人在他的宣講 |
| 00:17:16,000 | 00:17:18,000 | 講說要支持某某某 |
| 00:17:18,000 | 00:17:20,000 | 然後旁邊提供烤滷豬 |
| 00:17:20,000 | 00:17:23,000 | 烤滷豬這個釋加一支兩萬五起跳 |
| 00:17:23,000 | 00:17:26,000 | 那如果說來參加譬如說一百個人 |
| 00:17:26,000 | 00:17:28,000 | 那每個人就拿到兩百五十塊 |
| 00:17:28,000 | 00:17:30,000 | 如果說來兩百個人 |
| 00:17:30,000 | 00:17:32,000 | 那每個人一百二十五塊 |
| 00:17:32,000 | 00:17:36,000 | 那如果說在候選人的助獎宣講場合 |
| 00:17:36,000 | 00:17:37,000 | 旁邊有烤滷豬 |
| 00:17:37,000 | 00:17:38,000 | 然後提供給來參加民眾 |
| 00:17:38,000 | 00:17:40,000 | 這樣算不算 |
| 00:17:40,000 | 00:17:42,000 | 這可以比較好認定了吧 |
| 00:17:42,000 | 00:17:44,000 | 可不可以提供烤滷豬 |
| 00:17:44,000 | 00:17:45,000 | 這個還是用到 |
| 00:17:45,000 | 00:17:47,000 | 這是滷豬不行烤羊可以 |
| 00:17:47,000 | 00:17:49,000 | 滷豬不行烤羊可以 |
| 00:17:49,000 | 00:17:50,000 | 一個判決 |
| 00:17:50,000 | 00:17:54,000 | 一零六年的台上自二一八九號的一個判決 |
| 00:17:54,000 | 00:17:55,000 | 我們要個案 |
| 00:17:55,000 | 00:17:56,000 | 我們要個案的判決 |
| 00:17:56,000 | 00:17:57,000 | 到現在我們都發生 |
| 00:17:57,000 | 00:18:01,000 | 這個都是實際的照片 |
| 00:18:01,000 | 00:18:03,000 | 我完全可以負責完全可以去求證 |
| 00:18:03,000 | 00:18:05,000 | 但本席山羊問的事情 |
| 00:18:05,000 | 00:18:07,000 | 是如果說連我們在國會殿堂 |
| 00:18:07,000 | 00:18:10,000 | 我問什麼東西你都沒有辦法回答的話 |
| 00:18:10,000 | 00:18:12,000 | 那難怪一般民眾會覺得說 |
| 00:18:12,000 | 00:18:14,000 | 這一次的檢調是完全浮動的 |
| 00:18:14,000 | 00:18:16,000 | 有些時候送豆花不行 |
| 00:18:16,000 | 00:18:18,000 | 烤滷豬可以 |
| 00:18:18,000 | 00:18:20,000 | 疫檢不行什麼可以 |
| 00:18:20,000 | 00:18:22,000 | 那甚至 |
| 00:18:22,000 | 00:18:23,000 | 這到底標準是什麼 |
| 00:18:23,000 | 00:18:25,000 | 這個檢告接到這個線報檢舉 |
| 00:18:25,000 | 00:18:27,000 | 我現在就會立案來做一個調查 |
| 00:18:27,000 | 00:18:29,000 | 但是成不成立的話 |
| 00:18:29,000 | 00:18:30,000 | 還要經過調查 |
| 00:18:30,000 | 00:18:33,000 | 還是要經過是不是一個調查的結果 |
| 00:18:33,000 | 00:18:37,000 | 是不是有影響變更投票的一個意願 |
| 00:18:37,000 | 00:18:39,000 | 有沒有影響變更投票的意願 |
| 00:18:39,000 | 00:18:41,000 | 所以我跟你們報告 |
| 00:18:41,000 | 00:18:42,000 | 這個是有沒有對下關係 |
| 00:18:42,000 | 00:18:45,000 | 就是成立這一種的來做一個判斷 |
| 00:18:45,000 | 00:18:47,000 | 法當然它有個歷史 |
| 00:18:47,000 | 00:18:49,000 | 法這個字 |
| 00:18:49,000 | 00:18:53,000 | 就是不分顏色黨派 |
| 00:18:53,000 | 00:18:55,000 | 依法該辦就辦 |
| 00:18:55,000 | 00:18:57,000 | 絕對不是個案認定 |
| 00:18:57,000 | 00:18:59,000 | 如果說什麼東西要寫到個案認定的話 |
| 00:18:59,000 | 00:19:01,000 | 本席才會 |
| 00:19:01,000 | 00:19:05,000 | 為什麼全國人民都會說現在的標準是 |
| 00:19:05,000 | 00:19:06,000 | 沒有標準 |
| 00:19:06,000 | 00:19:08,000 | 這總要標準的 |
| 00:19:08,000 | 00:19:11,000 | 這個每個案件一定要收集一個情形 |
| 00:19:11,000 | 00:19:13,000 | 來做一個認定 |
| 00:19:13,000 | 00:19:15,000 | 本席今天不跟你討論什麼你手機的桌布 |
| 00:19:15,000 | 00:19:17,000 | 到底是什麼桌布 |
| 00:19:17,000 | 00:19:19,000 | 你高興換什麼桌布 |
| 00:19:19,000 | 00:19:21,000 | 這個是我尊重 |
| 00:19:21,000 | 00:19:24,000 | 但是行政官員能不能用 |
| 00:19:24,000 | 00:19:27,000 | 人民的納稅前機關辦的活動 |
| 00:19:27,000 | 00:19:29,000 | 幫特定候選人喊動算 |
| 00:19:29,000 | 00:19:31,000 | 這一點就是所有政務人員 |
| 00:19:31,000 | 00:19:35,000 | 以及所有中華民國公務員不能踩的紅線 |
| 00:19:35,000 | 00:19:37,000 | 這個界限一定要非常清楚 |
| 00:19:37,000 | 00:19:39,000 | 是 |
| 00:19:39,000 | 00:19:42,000 | 黃世傑之前的法務部次長 |
| 00:19:42,000 | 00:19:45,000 | 他就曾經在8月的時候被踢爆 |
| 00:19:45,000 | 00:19:47,000 | 也有錄影 |
| 00:19:47,000 | 00:19:51,000 | 當初在台上是農田水利署的相關官員 |
| 00:19:51,000 | 00:19:53,000 | 限職喔 |
| 00:19:53,000 | 00:19:57,000 | 週五用的是農田水利署的公務預算辦的餐會 |
| 00:19:57,000 | 00:20:00,000 | 然後幫特定候選人喊動算 |
| 00:20:00,000 | 00:20:02,000 | 可以嗎 |
| 00:20:02,000 | 00:20:03,000 | 我跟委員報告喔 |
| 00:20:03,000 | 00:20:04,000 | 您講的這個事情 |
| 00:20:04,000 | 00:20:06,000 | 他基本上就是年度的 |
| 00:20:06,000 | 00:20:08,000 | 每一年的一個例行的一個活動 |
| 00:20:08,000 | 00:20:10,000 | 預算是誰的 |
| 00:20:10,000 | 00:20:14,000 | 預算是我們農田水利署的預算 |
| 00:20:14,000 | 00:20:15,000 | 是不是公務預算 |
| 00:20:15,000 | 00:20:17,000 | 每一年的一年的例行的部分 |
| 00:20:17,000 | 00:20:20,000 | 農田是不是有在台上喊動算 |
| 00:20:20,000 | 00:20:21,000 | 要不要我放影片 |
| 00:20:21,000 | 00:20:25,000 | 農田本身有非常多的想要競選這一次的前次長 |
| 00:20:25,000 | 00:20:29,000 | 有沒有那個處長直接拉著黃世傑的手 |
| 00:20:29,000 | 00:20:31,000 | 還沒有上市的選舉的一個登記 |
| 00:20:31,000 | 00:20:33,000 | 只是有很多有意願的人來 |
| 00:20:33,000 | 00:20:35,000 | 等一下等一下 |
| 00:20:35,000 | 00:20:36,000 | 黃部長 |
| 00:20:36,000 | 00:20:39,000 | 我們的農業部長剛才一個華天下之大績 |
| 00:20:39,000 | 00:20:41,000 | 8月的時候因為還沒有登記 |
| 00:20:41,000 | 00:20:43,000 | 所以他即便是民進黨提名的市長候選人 |
| 00:20:43,000 | 00:20:44,000 | 我跟委員報告喔 |
| 00:20:44,000 | 00:20:46,000 | 我跟公務預算在台上喊動算 |
| 00:20:46,000 | 00:20:47,000 | 可以耶 |
| 00:20:47,000 | 00:20:50,000 | 桃園地檢署已經立案在辦理了 |
| 00:20:50,000 | 00:20:51,000 | 有嗎 |
| 00:20:51,000 | 00:20:53,000 | 桃園地檢署立案在辦理 |
| 00:20:53,000 | 00:20:55,000 | 粉絲剛剛上來前一刻問 |
| 00:20:55,000 | 00:20:56,000 | 還沒有這個案件喔 |
| 00:20:56,000 | 00:20:58,000 | 有這個有立案在辦 |
| 00:20:58,000 | 00:21:01,000 | 所以院長還是拉回來嗎 |
| 00:21:02,000 | 00:21:04,000 | 該會選該查一定要查 |
| 00:21:04,000 | 00:21:06,000 | 是沒有含扣的空間 |
| 00:21:06,000 | 00:21:08,000 | 但另外一點最重要的是 |
| 00:21:08,000 | 00:21:14,000 | 公務預算不能給候選人上台去做動算守護民主 |
| 00:21:14,000 | 00:21:16,000 | 連你這個界線都要非常清楚 |
| 00:21:16,000 | 00:21:19,000 | 院長連你去每個地方六日 |
| 00:21:19,000 | 00:21:20,000 | 我們之前都問過嘛 |
| 00:21:20,000 | 00:21:22,000 | 是不是用公務預算 |
| 00:21:22,000 | 00:21:23,000 | 你都說不是啊 |
| 00:21:23,000 | 00:21:25,000 | 如果是私人掏腰包 |
| 00:21:25,000 | 00:21:27,000 | 當天的公務行程是公務預算 |
| 00:21:27,000 | 00:21:31,000 | 當天的私人的跟選舉相關的事 |
| 00:21:31,000 | 00:21:32,000 | 所以這個處長 |
| 00:21:32,000 | 00:21:35,000 | 除了檢調再查有沒有會選以外 |
| 00:21:35,000 | 00:21:37,000 | 這個處長要不要究責 |
| 00:21:38,000 | 00:21:39,000 | 我跟委員報告 |
| 00:21:39,000 | 00:21:43,000 | 我已經逾越了公務人員的界線了 |
| 00:21:43,000 | 00:21:44,000 | 應不應該就責 |
| 00:21:44,000 | 00:21:46,000 | 請檢調調查清楚以後 |
| 00:21:46,000 | 00:21:47,000 | 該就責檢調嗎 |
| 00:21:47,000 | 00:21:48,000 | 該清楚 |
| 00:21:48,000 | 00:21:50,000 | 我們的政風都睡著了是不是 |
| 00:21:50,000 | 00:21:52,000 | 這件這件這件 |
| 00:21:52,000 | 00:21:53,000 | 檢調是司法案件 |
| 00:21:53,000 | 00:21:55,000 | 但是我現在講的是公務員 |
| 00:21:55,000 | 00:21:56,000 | 已經檢調到司法的程序了 |
| 00:21:56,000 | 00:21:58,000 | 我現在講的是公務員 |
| 00:21:58,000 | 00:21:59,000 | 那不用內部調查 |
| 00:21:59,000 | 00:22:02,000 | 所以之前的霸凌案件不是雙軌並行嗎 |
| 00:22:02,000 | 00:22:04,000 | 之前信件案件不是雙軌並行嗎 |
| 00:22:04,000 | 00:22:07,000 | 只要每次遇到你們標準都變了 |
| 00:22:07,000 | 00:22:08,000 | 沒有標準沒有變了 |
| 00:22:08,000 | 00:22:10,000 | 完全就是標準變了 |
| 00:22:10,000 | 00:22:11,000 | 所以說這是為什麼 |
| 00:22:11,000 | 00:22:13,000 | 本席覺得非常荒謬 |
| 00:22:13,000 | 00:22:15,000 | 當農業部長還上台 |
| 00:22:15,000 | 00:22:16,000 | 來去護航 |
| 00:22:16,000 | 00:22:18,000 | 並且講說應用標準沒有變 |
| 00:22:18,000 | 00:22:19,000 | 我沒有護航喔 |
| 00:22:19,000 | 00:22:20,000 | 我跟委員報告 |
| 00:22:20,000 | 00:22:21,000 | 我沒有護航喔 |
| 00:22:21,000 | 00:22:23,000 | 我跟行政總理我剛才只是講說 |
| 00:22:23,000 | 00:22:25,000 | 他的活動是每一年 |
| 00:22:25,000 | 00:22:27,000 | 每一年的例行的活動 |
| 00:22:27,000 | 00:22:30,000 | 黃世傑他以前以市長候選人身份 |
| 00:22:30,000 | 00:22:31,000 | 去參加過幾年 |
| 00:22:31,000 | 00:22:33,000 | 去年有去參加嗎 |
| 00:22:33,000 | 00:22:35,000 | 每一年的活動都有很多地區 |
| 00:22:35,000 | 00:22:38,000 | 去年有處長在台上幫黃世傑喊點算嗎 |
| 00:22:38,000 | 00:22:39,000 | 我不講特定的人 |
| 00:22:39,000 | 00:22:43,000 | 每一年都有不同的地方政府的相關的議員 |
| 00:22:43,000 | 00:22:45,000 | 現任的或想選的都會來 |
| 00:22:45,000 | 00:22:46,000 | 來院長 |
| 00:22:46,000 | 00:22:47,000 | 再來 |
| 00:22:47,000 | 00:22:49,000 | 霸凌的事情我們有處理的原則 |
| 00:22:49,000 | 00:22:50,000 | 所以我們可以處理 |
| 00:22:50,000 | 00:22:51,000 | 好 |
| 00:22:51,000 | 00:22:53,000 | 那這些事情我現在還有兩個重大議題好不好 |
| 00:22:53,000 | 00:22:54,000 | 來 |
| 00:22:54,000 | 00:22:56,000 | 中央今年喔 |
| 00:22:56,000 | 00:22:58,000 | 有一個叫做土方治亂 |
| 00:22:58,000 | 00:23:00,000 | 但是我覺得這個是大家一起來面對 |
| 00:23:00,000 | 00:23:03,000 | 本席身為淡水第一選區 |
| 00:23:03,000 | 00:23:05,000 | 新北第一選區的立法委員 |
| 00:23:05,000 | 00:23:08,000 | 我們有一個很重要的建設叫做台北港 |
| 00:23:08,000 | 00:23:10,000 | 台北港需要加速建設本席同意 |
| 00:23:10,000 | 00:23:12,000 | 不要破壞生態不要破壞環境 |
| 00:23:12,000 | 00:23:15,000 | 但另外更重要的是不能影響到 |
| 00:23:15,000 | 00:23:17,000 | 巴黎地區的居民 |
| 00:23:17,000 | 00:23:20,000 | 我來請院長看一下今天上午的狀況 |
| 00:23:20,000 | 00:23:22,000 | 今天上午五點半 |
| 00:23:22,000 | 00:23:25,000 | 民眾一出門看到他的門口前 |
| 00:23:25,000 | 00:23:28,000 | 排了幾百台的砂石車 |
| 00:23:28,000 | 00:23:29,000 | 這已經不是第一次了 |
| 00:23:29,000 | 00:23:32,000 | 但是這幾天特別嚴重 |
| 00:23:32,000 | 00:23:34,000 | 來我們秀一下幾張照片 |
| 00:23:34,000 | 00:23:35,000 | 下面 |
| 00:23:35,000 | 00:23:36,000 | 下面 |
| 00:23:37,000 | 00:23:38,000 | 還有嗎 |
| 00:23:40,000 | 00:23:41,000 | 好沒關係 |
| 00:23:41,000 | 00:23:42,000 | 院長 |
| 00:23:42,000 | 00:23:46,000 | 本期間一早就收到了我們地方的鄉親傳來的Line |
| 00:23:46,000 | 00:23:50,000 | 那並且有講到是說排滿了 |
| 00:23:50,000 | 00:23:51,000 | OK |
| 00:23:51,000 | 00:23:52,000 | 你看 |
| 00:23:52,000 | 00:23:55,000 | 巴黎區舊的區公所前面 |
| 00:23:55,000 | 00:23:58,000 | 全部都是砂石車在路邊等待 |
| 00:23:58,000 | 00:24:00,000 | 要進台北港 |
| 00:24:00,000 | 00:24:02,000 | 就是從早上五點半開始 |
| 00:24:02,000 | 00:24:04,000 | 那現在兩個問題 |
| 00:24:04,000 | 00:24:06,000 | 本席也馬上調了資料 |
| 00:24:06,000 | 00:24:09,000 | 說台北港過去在前幾個月 |
| 00:24:09,000 | 00:24:13,000 | 差不多一天一千兩百台到一千五百台的砂石車進入 |
| 00:24:13,000 | 00:24:15,000 | 但是這一兩個月 |
| 00:24:15,000 | 00:24:17,000 | 平均一天都兩千台 |
| 00:24:17,000 | 00:24:20,000 | 所以造成就是去化有塞車的狀況 |
| 00:24:20,000 | 00:24:21,000 | 那塞車他就回堵 |
| 00:24:21,000 | 00:24:23,000 | 那台北港我們之前也協調 |
| 00:24:23,000 | 00:24:26,000 | 港共公司你要趕快開門讓他們進去 |
| 00:24:26,000 | 00:24:29,000 | 堵在裡面不要影響到外面民眾的一個生活 |
| 00:24:29,000 | 00:24:32,000 | 可是現在連外面都影響到了 |
| 00:24:32,000 | 00:24:35,000 | 而且因為他們要持續進入 |
| 00:24:35,000 | 00:24:37,000 | 所以他們每一台都帶速 |
| 00:24:37,000 | 00:24:40,000 | 那就變成是說帶速造成空氣污染 |
| 00:24:40,000 | 00:24:42,000 | 造成砂石車佔據一個車道 |
| 00:24:42,000 | 00:24:43,000 | 並且要再進去 |
| 00:24:43,000 | 00:24:46,000 | 整個讓民眾的生活完全受影響 |
| 00:24:46,000 | 00:24:47,000 | 那對比六月 |
| 00:24:47,000 | 00:24:50,000 | 你也去看了台北港台中港高雄港 |
| 00:24:50,000 | 00:24:52,000 | 當時你的影片 |
| 00:24:52,000 | 00:24:56,000 | 一直講說要收大量人收容對象 |
| 00:24:56,000 | 00:24:57,000 | 沒有人反對 |
| 00:24:57,000 | 00:24:58,000 | 沒有人反對 |
| 00:24:58,000 | 00:24:59,000 | 只要不要破壞生態 |
| 00:24:59,000 | 00:25:01,000 | 可是現在這個問題要怎麼解 |
| 00:25:01,000 | 00:25:03,000 | 院長我先講三個原則 |
| 00:25:03,000 | 00:25:04,000 | 再請部長說 |
| 00:25:04,000 | 00:25:07,000 | 第一個台北港每年收取建築物土石方 |
| 00:25:07,000 | 00:25:10,000 | 量五百萬立方是固定的 |
| 00:25:10,000 | 00:25:11,000 | 是固定的 |
| 00:25:11,000 | 00:25:12,000 | 他不會隨時增加 |
| 00:25:12,000 | 00:25:14,000 | 第二個我們去到台北港之後 |
| 00:25:14,000 | 00:25:16,000 | 他本來只有一個檢查的通道 |
| 00:25:16,000 | 00:25:18,000 | 現在我們把它擴增為兩個 |
| 00:25:18,000 | 00:25:21,000 | 這些都是粉絲過去有開協調會 |
| 00:25:21,000 | 00:25:22,000 | 院長 |
| 00:25:22,000 | 00:25:24,000 | 粉絲只想問是早上民眾傳這樣子 |
| 00:25:24,000 | 00:25:25,000 | 第三個 |
| 00:25:25,000 | 00:25:27,000 | 第三個我們要求 |
| 00:25:27,000 | 00:25:28,000 | 內政部也好 |
| 00:25:28,000 | 00:25:29,000 | 交通部也好 |
| 00:25:29,000 | 00:25:31,000 | 一定要跟新北市政府 |
| 00:25:31,000 | 00:25:34,000 | 要好好的協助做交通上的紓解 |
| 00:25:34,000 | 00:25:36,000 | 院長如果是您的話 |
| 00:25:36,000 | 00:25:37,000 | 我相信 |
| 00:25:37,000 | 00:25:39,000 | 您可以接受你的家人小朋友 |
| 00:25:39,000 | 00:25:41,000 | 一出來門口看到這樣子煞車在拍賣嗎 |
| 00:25:41,000 | 00:25:42,000 | 我相信 |
| 00:25:42,000 | 00:25:43,000 | 我也要要求 |
| 00:25:43,000 | 00:25:45,000 | 這應該不是每一天24小時 |
| 00:25:45,000 | 00:25:47,000 | 或是上班時間都這樣 |
| 00:25:47,000 | 00:25:49,000 | 早上5點半到9點 |
| 00:25:49,000 | 00:25:51,000 | 這個比較不影響交通的時候 |
| 00:25:51,000 | 00:25:52,000 | 有比較大量 |
| 00:25:52,000 | 00:25:54,000 | 等到交通很擁塞的時候 |
| 00:25:54,000 | 00:25:55,000 | 或是人比較多的時候 |
| 00:25:55,000 | 00:25:57,000 | 所以早上就可以允許嗎 |
| 00:25:57,000 | 00:25:58,000 | 這個因為 |
| 00:25:58,000 | 00:25:59,000 | 院長不是 |
| 00:25:59,000 | 00:26:01,000 | 粉絲現在想聽到你的話 |
| 00:26:01,000 | 00:26:03,000 | 是說你就擇程交通部長 |
| 00:26:03,000 | 00:26:04,000 | 擇程相關單位 |
| 00:26:04,000 | 00:26:06,000 | 是不是一個禮拜內到現場 |
| 00:26:06,000 | 00:26:08,000 | 我們來檢討怎麼解決問題 |
| 00:26:08,000 | 00:26:09,000 | 第三點就是說這個 |
| 00:26:09,000 | 00:26:11,000 | 第三點就是我在處理整個 |
| 00:26:11,000 | 00:26:13,000 | 這個解決方的問題的時候 |
| 00:26:13,000 | 00:26:14,000 | 我都要求 |
| 00:26:14,000 | 00:26:15,000 | 內政部交通部 |
| 00:26:15,000 | 00:26:17,000 | 一定要協助地方政府 |
| 00:26:17,000 | 00:26:18,000 | 做好交通紓解的工作 |
| 00:26:18,000 | 00:26:20,000 | 一個禮拜內我們一起到台北港現場 |
| 00:26:20,000 | 00:26:21,000 | 現場就會看可以嗎 |
| 00:26:21,000 | 00:26:22,000 | 好 |
| 00:26:22,000 | 00:26:23,000 | 我們來針對問題解決問題 |
| 00:26:23,000 | 00:26:24,000 | 可以嗎 |
| 00:26:24,000 | 00:26:25,000 | 謝謝委員的提醒 |
| 00:26:25,000 | 00:26:27,000 | 我覺得這是很重要的問題 |
| 00:26:27,000 | 00:26:28,000 | 因為確實 |
| 00:26:28,000 | 00:26:29,000 | 我還有一個議題 |
| 00:26:29,000 | 00:26:31,000 | 一個禮拜內我們去現場 |
| 00:26:31,000 | 00:26:33,000 | 做會勘針對問題解決問題 |
| 00:26:33,000 | 00:26:34,000 | 可以嗎 |
| 00:26:34,000 | 00:26:36,000 | 委員您就安排會勘 |
| 00:26:36,000 | 00:26:38,000 | 我們交通部會配合沒有問題 |
| 00:26:38,000 | 00:26:39,000 | 來部長 |
| 00:26:39,000 | 00:26:41,000 | 那本席再進一步的建議 |
| 00:26:41,000 | 00:26:42,000 | 因為現在我們 |
| 00:26:42,000 | 00:26:44,000 | 6461也已經接上了 |
| 00:26:44,000 | 00:26:45,000 | 可是很多國人在講 |
| 00:26:45,000 | 00:26:47,000 | 因為台北港現在越來越擴大 |
| 00:26:47,000 | 00:26:49,000 | 那61是我們所謂的 |
| 00:26:49,000 | 00:26:50,000 | 這個西濱公路 |
| 00:26:50,000 | 00:26:51,000 | 也是所謂的這個 |
| 00:26:51,000 | 00:26:53,000 | 簡易版或平民版的高速公路 |
| 00:26:53,000 | 00:26:55,000 | 有這樣的一個美稱 |
| 00:26:55,000 | 00:26:56,000 | 那有人就在講是說 |
| 00:26:56,000 | 00:26:58,000 | 這些砂石車很有可能也都有 |
| 00:26:58,000 | 00:26:59,000 | 往中南部的一個移動 |
| 00:26:59,000 | 00:27:02,000 | 能不能我們多研議 |
| 00:27:02,000 | 00:27:03,000 | 有一個雜道 |
| 00:27:03,000 | 00:27:05,000 | 61直接進入到台北港 |
| 00:27:05,000 | 00:27:06,000 | 讓台北港的砂石車 |
| 00:27:06,000 | 00:27:08,000 | 如果未來它是要往中南部走的時候 |
| 00:27:08,000 | 00:27:09,000 | 直接就上61 |
| 00:27:09,000 | 00:27:11,000 | 不要再進巴黎市區 |
| 00:27:11,000 | 00:27:12,000 | 然後再去上61 |
| 00:27:12,000 | 00:27:13,000 | 您這個建議 |
| 00:27:13,000 | 00:27:14,000 | 這樣可以嗎 |
| 00:27:14,000 | 00:27:15,000 | 我們來看長期 |
| 00:27:15,000 | 00:27:17,000 | 如果說這個砂石車進來的量 |
| 00:27:17,000 | 00:27:18,000 | 會是長期的 |
| 00:27:18,000 | 00:27:19,000 | 我覺得這個是值得討論的 |
| 00:27:19,000 | 00:27:20,000 | 所以 |
| 00:27:20,000 | 00:27:22,000 | 不管砂石車或是工程車 |
| 00:27:22,000 | 00:27:23,000 | 我們來研議這方面 |
| 00:27:23,000 | 00:27:24,000 | 好 貨運車 |
| 00:27:24,000 | 00:27:25,000 | 可以 |
| 00:27:25,000 | 00:27:26,000 | 好 可以 |
| 00:27:26,000 | 00:27:28,000 | 那院長我就當您是一個同意 |
| 00:27:28,000 | 00:27:29,000 | 好 最後 |
| 00:27:33,000 | 00:27:35,000 | 川習會上上禮拜 |
| 00:27:35,000 | 00:27:37,000 | 這是世界的大問題 |
| 00:27:39,000 | 00:27:40,000 | 媒體就有報導 |
| 00:27:40,000 | 00:27:43,000 | 就講說為什麼對台軍售卡關 |
| 00:27:44,000 | 00:27:48,000 | 立法院已經正式通過7800億特別預算 |
| 00:27:48,000 | 00:27:51,000 | 它是兩次110億美金的第一次軍售 |
| 00:27:51,000 | 00:27:54,000 | 以及第二次的140億的軍售 |
| 00:27:54,000 | 00:27:56,000 | 所以現在我們錢都給你了 |
| 00:27:57,000 | 00:28:00,000 | 但現在140億的軍售是暫停的 |
| 00:28:01,000 | 00:28:03,000 | 媒體就報導四大理由 |
| 00:28:03,000 | 00:28:09,000 | 有可能是川普把軍售當成對中談判的籌碼 |
| 00:28:09,000 | 00:28:10,000 | 或是北京的施壓 |
| 00:28:11,000 | 00:28:13,000 | 那本席在這邊再一次強調立場 |
| 00:28:13,000 | 00:28:14,000 | 中華民國的捍衛 |
| 00:28:14,000 | 00:28:16,000 | 我們一起共同來捍衛 |
| 00:28:16,000 | 00:28:18,000 | 但我現在想問的是 |
| 00:28:18,000 | 00:28:20,000 | 從上禮拜川習會之後到現在 |
| 00:28:20,000 | 00:28:22,000 | 賴清德總統有沒有找院長這邊 |
| 00:28:22,000 | 00:28:24,000 | 再做沙盤推演跟開會 |
| 00:28:24,000 | 00:28:25,000 | 國安會議 |
| 00:28:26,000 | 00:28:29,000 | 美台關係長期合作 |
| 00:28:29,000 | 00:28:31,000 | 跟現在科技經濟合作是穩定的 |
| 00:28:32,000 | 00:28:34,000 | 川習會 川習二會 |
| 00:28:34,000 | 00:28:38,000 | 我們在會前 會中 會後都隨時保持注意 |
| 00:28:38,000 | 00:28:43,000 | 我們也認為並沒有發生我們意外的事情發生 |
| 00:28:43,000 | 00:28:46,000 | 至於美台之間已經發生了 |
| 00:28:46,000 | 00:28:48,000 | 或是將發生的這些軍售 |
| 00:28:48,000 | 00:28:51,000 | 我們也在按計畫的執行當中 |
| 00:28:51,000 | 00:28:52,000 | 什麼時候會來 |
| 00:28:52,000 | 00:28:53,000 | 因為今天本席有看到 |
| 00:28:53,000 | 00:28:56,000 | 駐美代表余大雷他接受彭博的專訪 |
| 00:28:56,000 | 00:28:58,000 | 他也特別講到是說 |
| 00:28:58,000 | 00:29:02,000 | 他直接講這是余大雷的講法 |
| 00:29:02,000 | 00:29:04,000 | 今天的報導彭博報導他說 |
| 00:29:04,000 | 00:29:08,000 | 川普即將拍板140億對台軍售 |
| 00:29:08,000 | 00:29:09,000 | 有這樣的一個消息嗎 |
| 00:29:10,000 | 00:29:11,000 | 請部長說明 |
| 00:29:11,000 | 00:29:15,000 | 我想我們有關對台軍售的這個部分 |
| 00:29:15,000 | 00:29:18,000 | 美方表示這個仍然在審議當中 |
| 00:29:18,000 | 00:29:21,000 | 我們尊重美方的這個審議的程序 |
| 00:29:21,000 | 00:29:25,000 | 那這樣子駐美代表是破壞了美國對我們的目的 |
| 00:29:25,000 | 00:29:27,000 | 我有看到余大使的一個說法 |
| 00:29:27,000 | 00:29:29,000 | 他是希望盡快來決定 |
| 00:29:29,000 | 00:29:33,000 | 那我想川普總統也一再表示他會盡快決定 |
| 00:29:33,000 | 00:29:35,000 | 那美國的戰爭部也一再表示 |
| 00:29:35,000 | 00:29:38,000 | 對我們的這個軍售的計畫沒有任何的改變 |
| 00:29:38,000 | 00:29:40,000 | 所以我們就靜待這個美國 |
| 00:29:40,000 | 00:29:43,000 | 來適時的發表對我們的這個軍售 |
| 00:29:43,000 | 00:29:45,000 | 部長我都尊重說 |
| 00:29:45,000 | 00:29:48,000 | 站在捍衛中華民國立場我絕對都全力支持 |
| 00:29:48,000 | 00:29:51,000 | 但是我們不能被人家當成是籌碼 |
| 00:29:51,000 | 00:29:54,000 | 我想這個是不管誰執政都應該要捍衛的 |
| 00:29:54,000 | 00:29:58,000 | 那現在川普他已經公開在媒體上面講是說 |
| 00:29:58,000 | 00:30:02,000 | 對台軍售是他跟北京交涉非常好的談判籌碼 |
| 00:30:02,000 | 00:30:07,000 | 我想請教到這一句話出來到現在也兩三個月過去了 |
| 00:30:07,000 | 00:30:11,000 | 我們有沒有透過任何管道向美國政府來去表達抗議 |
| 00:30:11,000 | 00:30:13,000 | 我想我們跟美方 |
| 00:30:13,000 | 00:30:15,000 | 這個應該是院長要回答的嘛 |
| 00:30:15,000 | 00:30:17,000 | 我們跟美方的關係一直很穩定 |
| 00:30:17,000 | 00:30:20,000 | 而且軍售的問題已經發生的 |
| 00:30:20,000 | 00:30:25,000 | 或是還在川普已經講說都按照軍售是非常好的談判籌碼 |
| 00:30:25,000 | 00:30:27,000 | 您認同這句話嗎 |
| 00:30:27,000 | 00:30:29,000 | 這個事實並非如此嘛 |
| 00:30:29,000 | 00:30:31,000 | 過去六項保證 |
| 00:30:31,000 | 00:30:33,000 | 已經發生的川習二會已經結束 |
| 00:30:33,000 | 00:30:35,000 | 北京來交涉對台軍售 |
| 00:30:35,000 | 00:30:36,000 | 所以這保證 |
| 00:30:36,000 | 00:30:39,000 | 這保證是美國對台灣 |
| 00:30:39,000 | 00:30:41,000 | 接下來我們川習還有兩會 |
| 00:30:41,000 | 00:30:43,000 | 包括11月的APEC |
| 00:30:43,000 | 00:30:45,000 | 以及包括12月的G20 |
| 00:30:45,000 | 00:30:48,000 | 他們兩大領導人以及其他世界各國領導人怎麼樣 |
| 00:30:48,000 | 00:30:50,000 | 我們真的很難想像 |
| 00:30:50,000 | 00:30:52,000 | 但是我們絕不能變成籌碼 |
| 00:30:52,000 | 00:30:54,000 | 所以說我想要問的是 |
| 00:30:54,000 | 00:30:58,000 | 過去我們一直建議賴清德總統應該要急速召開國安會議 |
| 00:30:58,000 | 00:30:59,000 | 國事會議 |
| 00:30:59,000 | 00:31:01,000 | 院長你的態度是什麼 |
| 00:31:01,000 | 00:31:04,000 | 我們透過各種形式都在每週甚至不定期的 |
| 00:31:04,000 | 00:31:07,000 | 願意讓在野黨公眾的衛生 |
| 00:31:18,000 | 00:31:20,000 | 好謝謝宏偉委員 |