| IVOD_ID |
171185 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171185 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-6-2 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期第2次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-02T11:29:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-02T12:00:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:31:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
許宇甄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:29:02 - 12:00:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第6會期第2次會議（事由：對行政院院長施政報告進行質詢。） |
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謝謝主席韓院長 我們請卓榮泰卓院長 |
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麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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徐委員好 |
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卓院長好 近期我們政府有規劃要把我國的海巡的除液件整修之後 |
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要原證給菲律賓 |
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那引起漁民極大的震撼跟焦慮 |
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當然政府推動外交的合作 維護區域的海事的安全 |
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尤其整體的戰略考量 |
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那這點我們當然都理解 |
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但是請教院長 |
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政府不能忽略在2013年所發生的廣大星28號事件 |
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那當時非方執法人員冷血開槍 |
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導致我們的船長不幸身亡 |
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到今天剛好是過去的13年 |
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但是對於全台的這個廣大的漁民跟家屬來說 |
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創傷依舊是歷歷在目 |
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那當然當政府大手筆的把我們這個海巡艦整修好送給菲律賓 |
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基層漁民當然最沉痛的這個疑問就是 |
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這艘我們納稅人養過的船 |
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送給這個菲律賓之後 |
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會不會未來變成菲律賓驅趕 |
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然後騷擾甚至危害台灣漁船的工具 |
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會不會哪一天海巡署在這個 |
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台飛的海域護漁的時候會形成一個 |
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我們台灣的海巡艦對峙台灣的原陣艦 |
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這樣的一個荒謬的現象 |
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那院長我想這不只是情感的問題 |
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還是很實際的一個海上生存 |
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作業安全跟國家尊嚴的問題 |
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所以海巡署其實一直強調說 |
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這個原陣的協議已經宰民了 |
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不得用於對台灣漁船的執法 |
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但是我們想知道的是 |
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如果他們違反這樣的規定 |
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政府有什麼樣的一個措施 |
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好的許瑋文第一個第一島鏈的合作 |
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在維護印太地區和平穩定安全是必要的 |
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所以我們會善盡我們的責任 |
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同時剛剛文員提到在政見的過程當中 |
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雙方是有協議是會有條件的 |
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那重點在未來怎麼執行 |
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144 |
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這部分請管事會來做說明 |
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144 |
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145 |
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請問文員報告 |
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147 |
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我們絕對是保護漁民的 |
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因為海巡從來就在海上 |
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就是漁民背後最大的後盾 |
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因此在贈送這一條船的時候 |
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我們所簽訂的協議非常非常嚴肅 |
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而且完整的周全的保護了我們的漁民跟漁船 |
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未來這一條船絕對不可能 |
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請問什麼樣的協議 |
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這邊可以簡單的說明一下嗎 |
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是 |
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針對這樣我們的原證的協議 |
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在這邊可以簡單的說明一下讓漁民安心嗎 |
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對有關於相關的協議 |
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我們明白的要求在這協議裡面 |
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狀況已經協定這一艘船絕對是用於民用 |
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絕對不會編入任何的武裝 |
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185 |
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你說用於什麼使用 |
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188 |
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絕對不會用於任何的武裝跟軍事之所以 |
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而且絕對不會用於真正 |
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193 |
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菲律賓他把這條船是要用什麼使用 |
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193 |
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197 |
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有護漁的條款就是絕對不會用來對於漁船 |
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請問你先回答我的問題 |
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它是要做什麼使用呢 |
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200 |
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202 |
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這艘船是做什麼使用菲律賓 |
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無論是在海上的救生救難的執法 |
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或者是海洋保育的執法永續的海洋的執法 |
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都是他們最主要的執法 |
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他們最主要的執法的範圍是在這裡 |
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而且絕對不會用來對於我們國的漁船執法 |
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如果他們違反這樣的規定 |
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220 |
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我們有什麼樣子的監督機制呢 |
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223 |
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225 |
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我們可以撤銷這個贈送的合約 |
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225 |
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228 |
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我們可以要求返還這艘船 |
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228 |
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231 |
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撤銷這個合約、返還這艘船 |
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231 |
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233 |
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都是之後的事情 |
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233 |
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238 |
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現在如果我們的漁民在海上遇到這樣的事件的時候 |
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238 |
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絕對不會 |
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239 |
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240 |
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那我們會怎麼樣來處理 |
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240 |
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242 |
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政府怎麼介入來處理 |
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242 |
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246 |
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我們一定是依這個協定嚴格的來要求處理 |
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246 |
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247 |
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現在跟委員報告 |
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247 |
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252 |
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廣大新事件造成了台飛海域簽訂了漁業協定 |
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252 |
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254 |
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這個協定簽訂以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
254 |
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258 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
我們的漁船在海上是被菲律賓的Costal Guard救過的 |
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258 |
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259 |
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而且救了兩次 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
259 |
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262 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
這兩次菲律賓的海巡救我們的漁船 |
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262 |
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263 |
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非常地建立 |
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263 |
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266 |
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那其實非常關心的就是 |
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266 |
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271 |
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如果未來他們沒有這樣子的做違反規定的時候 |
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271 |
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275 |
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我們可以有什麼樣地警的措施 |
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275 |
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277 |
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主委請您明確回答我 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
277 |
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279 |
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有沒有什麼立即的措施 |
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279 |
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281 |
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那我們方質詢沒有辦法質詢下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
281 |
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283 |
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因為你一直在回答我的 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
283 |
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285 |
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我更不是我問的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
285 |
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287 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
我只想問答 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
287 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
288 |
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請主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
288 |
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290 |
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到底如果他們違反協議 |
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290 |
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292 |
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我們有什麼立即的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
293 |
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294 |
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是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
294 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
296 |
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菲律賓在他們的搜救責任區 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
296 |
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298 |
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要救我們的漁船的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
298 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
299 |
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要救生救難的時候 |
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299 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
300 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
有更好的能力 |
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300 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
303 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
所以反而是對我們會有更大的保障 |
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303 |
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304 |
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委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
304 |
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307 |
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廣大新事件我們簽訂協定以後 |
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307 |
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311 |
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菲律賓的空生大是救我們漁船的部隊 |
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311 |
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313 |
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是救我們漁船的部隊 |
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313 |
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315 |
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而且救得非常地徹底 |
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315 |
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317 |
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沒關係我先請教院長 |
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317 |
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320 |
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就是剛剛主委有講到說 |
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320 |
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323 |
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原證菲律賓這艘船是作為人道救援 |
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323 |
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329 |
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但是台灣自己的漁業救援能量同樣不足 |
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329 |
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331 |
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所以再決定要把這艘艦 |
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331 |
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333 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
我們不動的在造星艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
333 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
先讓我把題目問完 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
336 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
請暫停 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
336 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
338 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
麻煩背行的官員不要搶答 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
338 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
340 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
讓我們問諮詢委員好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
340 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
342 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
342 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
343 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
請教院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
343 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
344 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
就是剛剛提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
344 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
345 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
太多了對不起 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
348 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
349 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
那時間要還我 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
350 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
352 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
院長剛剛有講到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
352 |
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355 |
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這個原證菲律賓這艘船是作為人道救援 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
355 |
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358 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
但台灣自己的漁業救援能量 |
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358 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
360 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
其實同樣不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
360 |
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363 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
所以說在我們決定要把這艘船 |
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363 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
364 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
送給菲律賓之前 |
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364 |
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367 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
有沒有先評估過國內的需求 |
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367 |
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368 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
有沒有需要救援 |
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368 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
370 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
我跟委員報告一定是有的 |
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370 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
371 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
那目前 |
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371 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
375 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
海巡目前在新增購的這些新增艦的船艦 |
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375 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
376 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
也都相當的數量 |
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376 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
377 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
逐年在增加 |
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377 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
380 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
我們把舊有的船艦去做這樣的一個交往 |
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380 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
381 |
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我想請問 |
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381 |
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382 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
區域上合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
382 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
請問院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
386 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
我們目前台灣有幾艘救護船 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
386 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
這個請 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
388 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
388 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
我們所有的船都可以用來救護 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
請問我們所有的海巡艦都可以用來救護 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
394 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
是救人 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
394 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
還是救船 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
397 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
我們救護 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
397 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
399 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
是救生救難 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
399 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
400 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
救人 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
400 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
救救救人 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
402 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
並沒有拖船 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
402 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
404 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
當然小船就沒有辦法拖帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
404 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
406 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
大船就有辦法拖帶 |
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406 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
408 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
所以現在的問題就是海上的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
408 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
410 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
這艘船是除役的船委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
410 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
這艘船是 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
可是台灣的救護能量一樣不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
剛剛你講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
每一艘海巡艦都可以救人 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
但他沒有辦法救船 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
422 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
所以我現在要問的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
422 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
也可以拖帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
不是每一艘35噸就沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
但是新100噸我們甚至於就都可以拖帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
而且跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
所以目前有這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
執法的一個狀況嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
就如果我們的漁船在海上遇到 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
這樣子需要救援 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
440 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
需要把他們的船推回來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
440 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
海巡署的我們的海巡艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
符合有急迫的條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
符合有急迫的條件的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
我們會拖帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
主委我現在請教你的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
到底目前可不可以這樣執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
有有有經常有 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
而且海上的護駐 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
所以我們可以幫忙拖帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
這個我從漁民那邊得到的訊息完全不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
可能請主委您要回去瞭解清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
海上的護駐跟海巡的拖帶都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
因為我們現在其實台灣的救護能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
其實是相當不足的 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
目前台灣的救護船是甚麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
就我瞭解 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
就只有宜安六號 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
482 |
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這還是屬於宜蘭縣政府的 |
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482 |
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484 |
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也就是說當我們台灣的漁民 |
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484 |
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486 |
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需要這樣的救護的時候 |
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486 |
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488 |
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事實上他們是沒有 |
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488 |
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490 |
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沒有這樣子的一個救護的能量 |
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490 |
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492 |
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只要有救生救命危險 |
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492 |
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495 |
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我們絕對絕對是一定要救 |
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495 |
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496 |
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跟委員報告 |
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496 |
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498 |
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那為什麼漁民有這麼多的疑慮呢 |
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498 |
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501 |
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應該是不會的委員 |
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501 |
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504 |
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如果漁民有救生救難需要 |
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504 |
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506 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
而海巡沒有救的話 |
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506 |
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507 |
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我們今天也不能容許 |
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507 |
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508 |
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我們也不能容許 |
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508 |
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512 |
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所以請主委可能這個部分要請您先 |
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512 |
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514 |
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要不然我待會就請您先回座 |
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514 |
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517 |
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因為沒有救生救難提供性的部院 |
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517 |
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520 |
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是漁船護駐拖帶為優先 |
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520 |
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521 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
跟委員報告 |
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521 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
在海上的救援有一定的不同的條件 |
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525 |
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527 |
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有不同的救援的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
我們時間可以暫停 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
528 |
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529 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
時間暫停 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
學員請 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
你請別人想表達什麼沒關係請 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
534 |
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536 |
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我是想說這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
既然我今天質詢的是卓榮泰院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
538 |
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542 |
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那我詢問的問題就請院長 |
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542 |
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544 |
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難道院長如果請主委回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
學員可以提出要求沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
好麻煩請卓院長好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
麻煩請卓院長答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
549 |
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551 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
我跟委員報告的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
551 |
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555 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
應該需要的時候由部會首長來做補充說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
555 |
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556 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
這也是立法有據的 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
也請委員多多提醒 |
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557 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
對我知道 |
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558 |
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559 |
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但是我的意思是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
559 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
既然我請院長回答 |
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560 |
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561 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
也讓主委回答 |
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561 |
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564 |
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但是還是希望說那個時間要控制一下 |
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564 |
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567 |
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主委他有很多的資訊要跟委員報告 |
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567 |
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568 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
對好 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
所以針對這個部分 |
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569 |
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571 |
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我們希望就是說現在雲民 |
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571 |
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573 |
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其實非常甚至包括社會各界 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
573 |
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576 |
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大家都非常憂慮的就是我剛講那個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
萬一有一天是我們台灣的海巡艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
584 |
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在這個台飛的海域上遇到的這個台灣的原陣艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
584 |
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586 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
這樣一個對峙的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
586 |
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589 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
那當時我們要怎麼做情何以堪 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
589 |
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590 |
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所以我們在這邊呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
590 |
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596 |
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也要具體的像這個我們的行政院提出四項的一個要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
第一個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
向雲民說明我們政見協議的保障內容範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
跟違反約定時的處理方式 |
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606 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
讓我們的雲民能夠很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
我們的政府在違反約定 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
這個對方約定之後的交涉跟處理的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
這是第一點 |
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616 |
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622 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
第二點就是把漁民的安全列為台飛海事合作的定期議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
雙研究透過既有的台飛漁業執法的合作的一個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
定期的檢討海上的通報緊急聯繫跟爭議的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
632 |
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634 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
那一旦有涉及到我的漁船 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
634 |
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641 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
也希望能夠讓船長跟漁民漁會都有明確的緊急通報的窗口 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
並說明處理的一個進度 |
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644 |
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647 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
第三個就是希望建立除意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
原外前的國內需求的一個評估 |
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650 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
就像我剛剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
654 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
就是說到底我們國內的需求是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
654 |
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659 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
那目前在我們在國內的各項的一個海域上 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
是不是有可以這樣需要的救難船的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
那評估結果也應該公開讓漁民知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
那第四個就是研擬配置專職的救援船 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
並編築長期的營運經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
680 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
因為一案六號的這個漁業巡護救難的一個用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
680 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
目前事實上他的這個妥善率還不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
686 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
我們希望能夠有妥善率較高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
686 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
能夠救援的專責的救援船 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
讓我們的漁民在海上的作業能夠沒有任何的一個憂慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
那所以在這邊這四項請教一下院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
是不是可以同意讓我們的各部隊來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
第一項凡涉及跟我漁民相關的權益或安全保障等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
有必要讓漁民更了解的這個當然沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
712 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
第二項漁民安全我想這個基於雙方互惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
712 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
都應該彼此有這樣的認知 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
如果有進一步的協商海委會跟我們現在單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
跟周遭國家的這個合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
跟這個各種協議都經常在舉行 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
這個基於雙方互惠我們一定會把它列為優先 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
那下面三四兩點都目前已經在進行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
已經在就是這樣在做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
所以我們現在有專責的救援船 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
也有編足這個長期營運的經費嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
跟委員報告我們所有的海巡他們在有需要救援的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
744 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
每一艘船都要當作是救援的船隻 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
744 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
746 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
所以委員如果認為說有 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
746 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
譬如說地方政府他們要有專責的救援船 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
如果他們願意有那種計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
754 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
需要我們來協助爭取經費的 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
754 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
我們還是希望中央政府有這樣的專責的救援船 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
當您剛講說海巡署現在在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
761 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
不過就我的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
761 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
763 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
我想這個主委也要再去了解 |
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763 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
目前就是事實上是救人 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
對於脫船的部分救船的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
目前並沒有並沒有做這樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
我們還是希望這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
還是要了解真正漁民的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
776 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
讓保障我們的漁民的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
776 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
才是我覺得一個政府應該做的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
來接下來請教一下院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
就是台美對等關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
788 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
這個台灣對等貿易協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
788 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
二指第三點九條規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
794 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
就是在協定生效三年內 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
794 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
798 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
要達到這個在製造業跟漁業的勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
798 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
802 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
收取招募費能夠零收費 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
802 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
806 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
那當然這是接軌國際勞動的一個規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
806 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
808 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
保障移工的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
808 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
810 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
那當然這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
810 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
要減少他們不合理的招募的一個負債 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
這個本席當然支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
818 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
但是政府對外做出承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
818 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
822 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
也要顧及國內的一個產業的承受的力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
822 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
824 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
所以我們希望保障移工 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
824 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
830 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
但不要犧牲我們台灣漁民最基本的一個生存權 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
830 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
832 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
那所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
832 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
833 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
我們現在看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
833 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
835 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
當這個二指 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
835 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
837 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
目前的這個協議出來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
837 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
839 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
說要在三年內 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
839 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
840 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
那但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
840 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
844 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
我們可以看到現在連移工的合理招募成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
844 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
847 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
都沒有明確的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
847 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
851 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
那因為其實我們這沿海的這個靜小漁船 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
851 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
854 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
其實靜小型的漁船其實非常的多 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
854 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
857 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
那他們不像大漁船或者是這個遠洋漁業 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
857 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
859 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
他們的負擔能力不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
859 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
860 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
所以小型漁船呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
860 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
862 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
他的收入會看天候 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
862 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
863 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
看漁訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
863 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
865 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
還有看他們的漁價 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
865 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
867 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
那增加的每一筆成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
867 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
870 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
都可能直接影響他的生計 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
870 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
872 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
所以說這可能不算是公平的招募 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
872 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
876 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
而是有可能算是一種政策在霸凌漁民 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
876 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
878 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
所以院長您知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
878 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
881 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
雇主招募的費用有哪些嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
881 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
882 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
包括他的交通費啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
882 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
884 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
仲介費等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
884 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
885 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
他有三樣喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
885 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
就是國外仲介費 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
888 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
第三方雇用費 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
888 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
890 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
跟雇主直接招募費喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
890 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
892 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
那我想勞動部在8月份的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
892 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
894 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
有發函給農業部嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
894 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
897 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
說會跟來源國協商確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
897 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
902 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
第三方的仲介費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
902 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
905 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
那請問一下勞動部長現在的進度如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
905 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
906 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
906 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
907 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
907 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
909 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
這裡面的確會有一個工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
909 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
910 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
是我們應該來 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
910 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
915 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
也要把在海外的仲介費 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
915 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
916 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
那他的收費的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
916 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
919 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
怎麼樣能夠做更透明化的掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
919 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
920 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
因為避免在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
920 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
921 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
對我了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
921 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
923 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
那請問一下目前進度如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
923 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
924 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
目前正在進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
924 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
927 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
那大概什麼時候會完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
927 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
929 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
我們認為今年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
929 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
931 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
應該是今年下半年到明年上半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
931 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
935 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
因為事實上這些漁業界都在等 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
935 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
937 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
你們的這個招募的相關費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
937 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
939 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
他們要去計算他們的成本嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
939 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
941 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
對於小型漁船來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
941 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
943 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
他們其實可能就兩個人三個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
943 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
945 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
你再多增加這麼多筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
945 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
946 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
這麼大的一個費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
946 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
949 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
事實上對他們來說的負擔是相當大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
949 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
950 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
負擔是相當重 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
950 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
那我也想請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
953 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
那你們現在有沒有預估 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
953 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
955 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
就是我們這個雇主的招募費 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
955 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
957 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
大概有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
957 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
959 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
當然會依據來源國不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
959 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
960 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
但大概會有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
960 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
962 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
對其實因為不同的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
962 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
964 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
其實是不太一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
964 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
965 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
那現在的確 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
965 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
968 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
我們也在跟來源國正在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
968 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
970 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
因為來源國其實也在跟我們討論說 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
970 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
972 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
因為現在有幾個來源國 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
972 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
975 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
他們也越來越重視公平招募的這個概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
975 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
977 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
可是當來源國重視公平招募的概念的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
977 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
982 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
大家也要去確保他的收費不會造成這個雇主 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
982 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
985 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
尤其是台灣的雇主不合理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
985 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
988 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
對你們有先評估過大概是多少費用嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
988 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
990 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
因為不可能簽了AARP之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
990 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
991 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
你現在才在做這個評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
991 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
992 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
18到20萬左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
992 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
993 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
以我們了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
993 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
995 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
我順便跟委員補充一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
995 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
996 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
因為委員非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
996 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
998 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
不會到這麼高的金額啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
998 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
999 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
我要跟委員說 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
999 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
1000 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
那你剛剛說多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
1000 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
1001 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
1001 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
1004 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
我剛才說的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
1004 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
1008 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
我們還沒有政策進場之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
1008 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
1012 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
現在目前的行情他們所回饋的是18到20萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
1012 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
1016 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
但是他還會扣除一些其他的費用會回給他 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
1016 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
1019 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
所以可能到12到15萬之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
1019 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
1023 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
那是經過漁船的傳東他們所回饋的 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
1023 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
1027 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
本席所掌握的資訊是大概18萬左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
1027 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
1029 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
那剛剛勞動部長說沒那麼多嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
1029 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
1031 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
那是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
1031 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
1032 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
1032 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
1033 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
1033 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
1036 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
因為他過去其實是跟移工來收 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
1036 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
1039 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
所以移工會被收的金額會比較高 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
1039 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
1040 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
移工 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
1040 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
1043 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
因為移工跟這個仲介之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
1043 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
1046 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
他的協商能力是比較低的 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
1046 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
1048 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
部長既然你已經開念一段時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
1048 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
1050 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
你找報紙我是多少就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
1050 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
1051 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
我們目前看到跟部主收的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
1051 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
1053 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
基本上都會比跟移工錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
1053 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
1056 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
跟移工來收的來的低蠻多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
1056 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
1057 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
那我們現在正在確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
1057 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
1060 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
現在收的這個金額的幅度會低到什麼程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
1060 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
1062 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
低蠻多是指多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
1062 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
1063 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
剛剛陳部長已經講了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
1063 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
1065 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
大概12到15萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
1065 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
1066 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
那這個數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
1066 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
1068 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
不同的來源國可能狀況不一定都一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
1068 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
1070 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
好那你先舉個例 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
1070 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
1071 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
哪個國 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
1071 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
1073 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
比如說越南多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
1073 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
1074 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
印尼多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
1074 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
1076 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
越南確實是比較高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
1076 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
1078 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
對越南確實是比較高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
1078 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
1079 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
對大概是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
1079 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
1082 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
我那個委員我其實現在不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
1082 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
1083 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
直接去講一個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
1083 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
1084 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
但我的確說 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
1084 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
1087 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
我是說你們在做這個測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
1087 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
1088 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
應該有所提督嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
1088 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
1089 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
我要說的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
1089 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
1090 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
過去跟移工收 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
1090 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
1093 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
過去跟移工收的確是收的比較高 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
1093 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
1097 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
但是現在其實有在做公平招募的雇主 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
1097 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
1099 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
目前他們回饋給我們的意見是 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
1099 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
1101 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
他們其實被收的金額比 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
1101 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
1104 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
跟移工收來的低蠻多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
1104 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
1106 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
好那請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
1106 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
1108 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
我們在簽訂這個Arch之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
1108 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
1110 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
你們都沒有先做過評估嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
1110 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
1112 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
大概會對雇主增加多少的費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
1112 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
1114 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
然後就這樣就簽下去的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
1114 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
1117 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
那未來的雇主沒辦法負擔怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
1117 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
1118 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
1118 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
1121 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
台美關稅在簽署三年之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
1121 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
1124 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
是要把外籍的這些船員移工 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
1124 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
1126 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
比照國內的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
1126 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
1127 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
這是一個非常重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
1127 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
1129 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
那他整個權益的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
1129 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
1132 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
包括他的生活條件他的勞動條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
1132 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
1134 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
所以我剛剛說這個接軌國際的推翻 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
1134 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
1136 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
我們是支持的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
1136 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
1139 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
所以您就回到這個招募會本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
1139 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
1141 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
是其中的一個因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
1141 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
1143 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
那我們現在正在解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
1143 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
1145 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
我們的遠洋漁業最大的困擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
1145 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
1147 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
就是他招募了以後開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
1147 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
1149 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
他上船就會暈船 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
1149 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
1150 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
甚至於沒辦法捕魚 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
1150 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
1153 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
這段時間可能到半年到一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
1153 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
1154 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
他都還在訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
1154 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
1156 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
但是他還要付這些招募費 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
1156 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
1160 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
所以招募費在協商在用直聘的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
1160 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
1162 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
我們跟勞動部配合以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
1162 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
1165 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
一個更重要也是船員更需要的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
1165 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
1168 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
他們進來以後我們用其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
1168 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
1171 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
其他的那個經費來支持他 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
1171 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
1173 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
去做這些船員的一個訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
1173 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
1177 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
讓他們上船以後就馬上能夠去捕魚 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
1177 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
1179 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
這個是他們更需要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
1179 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
1181 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
我們當然都支持照顧外來的移工 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
1181 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
1184 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
但是我們自己台灣的這個雇主 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
1184 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
1186 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
我們要讓他們能夠生存 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
1186 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
1188 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
所以除了這個問題之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
1188 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
1190 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
還有包括說事實上外籍移工 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
1190 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
1191 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
如果到時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
1191 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
1193 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
比如說我們付的這個招募費 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
1193 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
1195 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
他沒有來或者是逃跑逃逸外勞 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
1195 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
1197 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
那這樣的狀況的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
1197 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
1198 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
是不是應該訂立一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
1198 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
1200 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
讓他們有所徵詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
1201 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
1202 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
1202 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
1206 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
第一個其實現在我們在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
1206 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
1208 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
台美的ART裡面的條文是指的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
1208 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
1210 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
在他的聘僱期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
1210 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
1213 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
要把這個招募費來做支付 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
1213 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
1216 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
所以不一定是指那個一開始的當下 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
1216 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
1219 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
其實他是有一段時間可以陸陸續續來支付的 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
1219 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
1222 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
所以我們也有注意到就是假如這個移工 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
1222 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
1225 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
如果他遇到失聯的問題的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
1225 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
1227 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
這當然是雇主會是一個很大的損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
1227 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
1229 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
所以我們也會希望能夠把雇主 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
1229 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
1233 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
他假設遇到失聯這樣的狀況的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
1233 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
1235 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
跟剛剛就像陳部長講到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
1235 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
1237 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
整體大家對於這樣的雇主 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
1237 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
1241 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
從勞動部從農業部一起來給他支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
1241 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
1243 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
在哪些環節上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
1243 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
1246 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
我們既可以符合接軌國際的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
1246 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
1251 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
但又希望能夠給我們的雇主有更多的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
1251 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
1253 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
我們當然要顧及雇主的生存 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
1253 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
1254 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
1254 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
1256 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
除了雇主的這個生存之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
1256 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
1258 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
我們現在也要想了解的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
1258 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
1261 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
這個如果他短期內沒有辦法履約 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
1261 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
1263 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
那所以有關的這個退費 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
1263 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
1266 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
逮捕跟處理期限跟爭議的解決辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
1266 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
1269 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
這些你們都已經有所掌握嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
1269 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
1270 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
還是已經有規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
1270 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
1274 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
我們目前也有在這些相關的思考跟規劃之中 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
1274 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
1276 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
但就像剛剛跟委員說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
1276 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
1277 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
我們目前在這個階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
1277 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
1283 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
我們跟農業部這邊會一起針對這個海外的重建 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
1283 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
1286 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
海外的招募費的透明化 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
1286 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
1288 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
我們應該要來把它給弄清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
1288 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
1292 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
那這個部分也是現在正在跟來源國正在確認的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
1292 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
1294 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
所以您剛剛是講年底之前會完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
1294 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
1297 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
我們希望至少有初步能夠掌握到這些訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
1297 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
1301 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
那我們會跟農業部一起來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
1301 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
1304 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
我想會協助這個我們相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
1304 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
1306 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
包括外籍的漁工 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
1306 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
1308 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
其實現在還有一個問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
1308 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
1311 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
他會不會有可能事實上在他來源國 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
1311 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
1313 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
就已經被收一個重建費 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
1313 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
1315 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
那我們要怎麼去掌握這樣的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
1315 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
1317 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
否則我們標榜的是零付費 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
1317 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
1319 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
但是事實上是台灣零付費 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
1319 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
1323 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
結果他搞不好在來源國就被他的重建就先收取了 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
1323 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
1324 |
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像這樣的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
1324 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
1325 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
我跟委員報告一下就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
1325 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
1330 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
我們現在跟我們這些外籍遠洋漁船的船東的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
1330 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
1332 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
也希望他們提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
1332 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
1336 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
因為整個外籍漁工是在國外招募國外聘用 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
1336 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
1338 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
他們本身船東最清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
1338 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
1342 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
他們當地的重建如果有收費是收什麼樣的費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
1342 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
1345 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
那成如剛才洪部長講的不同的國家是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
1345 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
1349 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
那另一方面我們也直接跟勞動部配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
1349 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
1353 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
當地來源國的這些重建的一個規費的收法 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
1353 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
1356 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
那兩邊的資訊要能夠對得起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
1356 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
1360 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
這樣的話我們後續才能夠去看後面的怎麼樣的配套去寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
1360 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
1365 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
現在就是有關的我們漁業的雇主 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
1365 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
1366 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
他們其實擔憂的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
1366 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
1368 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
我想兩位部長應該都很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
1368 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
1373 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
在這邊也希望宇禎這邊也具體的請這個院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
1373 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
1378 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
是不是能夠來這個有在內的五項事項能夠來協助他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
1378 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
1383 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
第一個就是公佈來源國的招募費明細跟合理的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
1383 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
1385 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
讓他們能夠有所依循 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
1385 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
1389 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
而且也可以讓他們這個試算一下參考金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
1389 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
1393 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
防止換個名目被重複收費操而收費 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
1394 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
1400 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
那第二項是提出小型的漁船負擔試算跟分級的協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
1400 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
1401 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
為什麼要這樣講呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
1401 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
1404 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
因為事實上我剛剛講的就是我們小型漁船的船主 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
1404 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
1409 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
他可能就是兩個人三個人要多負擔十幾萬的一個這樣的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
1409 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
1413 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
對他們來說可能需要研擬一個過渡期間的一個部分補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
1413 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
1416 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
或其他的一個減負的一個措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
1416 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
1422 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
那第三項就是希望能夠訂定分期支付退費跟地補規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
1422 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
1425 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
就是他能夠依照時據的服務進度來支付 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
1425 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
1430 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
那如果漁工未到短期的失聯或者是離職的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
1430 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
1437 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
也要明定這個仲介的退費地補責任跟處理的期限跟爭議的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
1437 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
1442 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
那第四項是讓執拼跟輔導適用於基層這個漁船 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
1442 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
1447 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
政府說已經開放了這個海洋漁療業自印尼辦理執拼 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
1447 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
1451 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
那但是呢事實上對於一般的雇主來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
1451 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
1454 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
他其實也不懂這個印尼語 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
1454 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
1459 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
那相關的問卷需要協助可能都需要我們的勞動部這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
1459 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
1462 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
來去協助他們查核實際的收費 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
1462 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
1467 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
然後建立漁工保密的申訴跟不當收費的一個追討的一個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
1467 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
1470 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
第五個就是公布推動的時程 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
1470 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
1471 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
剛剛講三年的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
1471 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
1475 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
但是漁業界現在都不知道到底推動的時程是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
1475 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
1480 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
所以他們我們也希望說可以利用這三年的一個調試期先行示範 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
1480 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
1483 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
針對遠洋跟我們近沿海的漁船 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
1483 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
1488 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
實際示範之後把每個這個漁工所贓目的成本贓目的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
1488 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
1491 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
跟相關的爭議都能夠處理之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
1491 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
1495 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
把這個上的一個成效能夠定期的公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
1495 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
1499 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
讓不管是漁民船主甚至是漁業界 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
1499 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
1501 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
都能夠指導大家共同來研討 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
1501 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
1503 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
那做一個調整制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
1503 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
1507 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
那請問一下院長這五項的要求請問一下行政院是不是可以協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
1507 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
1511 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
是的跟委員說明這個漁工零付費 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
1511 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
1514 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
這是一個國際的趨勢跟必要的一個面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
1514 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
1518 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
所以我們也要見鬼國際這個也是要必須面對的事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
1518 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
1522 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
所以在談判的過程努力爭取來的三年的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
1522 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
1524 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
就是要來進行各種的 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
1524 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
1528 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
包括管理上包括法規上包括整個財務上的整個調適 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
1528 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
1529 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
就爭取這三年 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
1529 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
1531 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
所以第五點就是根本的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
1531 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
1533 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
我們會用三年的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
1533 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
1539 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
包括前面一二三四在內的所有跟漁工相關問題的保障也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
1539 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
1541 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
或者我們管理方式也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
1541 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
1542 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
我們來做全面的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
1542 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
1543 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
那什麼時候會開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
1543 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
1545 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
當然要有一個起點 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
1545 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
1546 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
那起點必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
1546 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
1547 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
那像剛剛講的這些的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
1547 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
1551 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
大概什麼時候可以有初步的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
1551 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
1554 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
委員其實你現在在上面提的這幾點裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
1554 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
1556 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
其實有蠻多的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
1556 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
1558 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
也是這段時間我們跟農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
1558 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
1560 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
其實在思考的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
1560 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
1561 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
那什麼時候可以提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
1561 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
1563 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
兩個月還是三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
1564 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
1566 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
1566 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
1568 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
像第一點的部分我剛才就說了 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
1568 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
1571 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
就是說我要收集到傳東的資訊還有來源國的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
1571 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
1575 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
那未來我們在公布這個部分應該是一個range |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
1575 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
1578 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
應該是一個range不可能是一個價錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
1578 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
1579 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
這個我要先說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
1579 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
1582 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
那這個第一個部分大概在年底的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
1582 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
1584 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
我想我們會有一個比較好的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
1584 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
1586 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
所以就是如果從現在開始說年底之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
1586 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
1589 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
我們會有一個比較完整的一個收集 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
1589 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
1592 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
然後我們還會跟我們所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
1592 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
1594 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
包括全國漁會還有我們的傳東這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
1594 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
1598 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
要做一個討論才能夠去做適度的公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
1599 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
1601 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
那那個來提出小型漁船的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
1601 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
1602 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
小型漁船的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
1602 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
1605 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
我們是用另外一個方式來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
1605 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
1607 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
我剛才說的船員聘了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
1607 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
1608 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
他不一定會捕魚 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
1608 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
1611 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
那在這段時間我們幫他訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
1611 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
1614 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
那這樣子的一個試算的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
1614 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
1617 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
還有分級協助的政策大概什麼時候可以提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
1617 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
1620 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
這個就是要根據我們的第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
1620 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
1623 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
所得到的這個比較完整的資訊以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
1623 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
1626 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
才會去看漁船要負 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
1626 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
1629 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
傳東要負的部分跟漁工要負的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
1629 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
1632 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
那傳東要負的部分有沒有機會是用 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
1632 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
1634 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
那部長是不是給我們一個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
1634 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
1637 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
要不然這樣說三年可能一轉眼就過去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
1637 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
1640 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
我想我們在年底的時候會把在前面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
1641 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
1644 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
第四項現在已經在做一些協助跟處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
1644 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
1647 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
還有包括希望說透過漁會的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
1647 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
1650 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
那前面三項在年底的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
1650 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
1654 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
在年底之前他們把這幾項初步的 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
1654 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
1658 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
但是不一定能夠馬上能夠對外公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
1658 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
1660 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
因為有很多東西還要跟傳東 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
1660 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
1662 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
還要跟各漁會來做一個討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
1662 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
1664 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
那是不是我們可以在這邊講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
1664 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
1667 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
在年底之前你們可以把初步的這樣的一個政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
1667 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
1669 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
跟所有的像剛剛提到的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
1669 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
1671 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
能夠跟相關的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
1671 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
1674 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
大家能夠開始去溝通協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
1674 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
1677 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
聽聽這個傳不管是我們的漁工 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
1677 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
1679 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
或者是我們的漁業代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
1679 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
1681 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
或者是漁會或者是漁民 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
1681 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
1684 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
他們共同的一個心聲之後再來制定 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
1684 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
1686 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
而不是單方面的時候政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
1686 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
1689 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
絕對不會我們一定我們的政策規劃出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
1689 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
1691 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
一定會跟相關的利害關係人去溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
1691 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
1694 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
我們請相關部會把這些問題都列出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
1694 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
1697 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
那麼在年底之前把問題都整合好 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
1697 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
1701 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
那麼就開始跟業界跟漁工跟漁民大家來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
1701 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
1703 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
那未來三年當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
1703 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
1707 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
我們要一定是在要開始時間到了之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
1707 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
1711 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
會把這個完全一個完備的法制把它完成起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
1711 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
1714 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
我想院長接軌國際是好事我們支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
1714 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
1718 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
但是是不能建立在犧牲我們漁民的權益上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
1718 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
1723 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
所以還是希望行政院就是拿出誠意把制度講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
1723 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
1725 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
把我們的這個配套做完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
1725 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
1728 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
那最後就是要把負擔影響降到最低 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
1728 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
1732 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
讓漁民能夠安心的出海這才是負責任的政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
1732 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
1733 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
謝謝院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
1733 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
1734 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
1734 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
1737 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
那最後的要請教院長就是有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
1737 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
1740 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
兩位部長可以請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
1740 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
1742 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
就是川習二會之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
1742 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
1747 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
就是我們可以看到就是針對美方的一些訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
1747 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
1752 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
包括就是針對說台灣政治人物不應該頻繁的赴美 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
1752 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
1754 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
拜會智庫等華府的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
1754 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
1756 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
魯比歐也談到對外軍售的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
1756 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
1760 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
他必須考量到美軍自身的需求武器的庫存 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
1760 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
1763 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
跟軍工的產能跟全球的戰略 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
1763 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
1766 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
那這些釋放的訊息都讓我們覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
1766 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
1772 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
對於我們現在的這個第二筆的這個我們的發價 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
1772 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
1775 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
發價書就是有關140億美元的軍購 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
1775 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
1779 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
這個部分我想知道現在川習會之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
1779 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
1783 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
那我們其實當時在做這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
1783 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
1788 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
有關我們7800億的一個軍購的特別條例的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
1788 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
1791 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
當時所提到的就是希望我們能夠儘速的通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
1791 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
1794 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
那免得這個我們的訂單被取消 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
1794 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
1798 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
但是我們從5月8號通過之後到現在將近五個月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
1798 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
1801 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
可是第二筆的這個發價書我們到現在也沒看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
1801 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
1804 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
請問一下目前的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
1805 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
1806 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
我想跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
1806 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
1809 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
我想我們現在各項的軍購案 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
1809 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
1811 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
我們已經有成立一個專案的團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
1811 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
1817 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
那現在我們跟這個雙方還是在一個綿密的協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
1817 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
1819 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
跟定期的會議等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
1819 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
1824 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
那我們會來就這個第二筆的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
1825 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
1826 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
141美元的 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
1826 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
1828 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
大家都認為的這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
1828 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
1830 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
那我們會還是跟我們往來進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
1830 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
1831 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
那目前有漲我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
1831 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
1832 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
那迄今為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
1832 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
1835 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
迄今為止美方並沒有通知我們有過 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
1835 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
1837 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
有關任何的改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
1837 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
1839 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
因為畢竟這是我們經過長期的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
1839 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
1842 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
對但是當時我們通過這樣的預算的時候說 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
1842 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
1845 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
可能很快就會有這個第二筆發價書來 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
1845 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
1847 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
但是到現在已經五個月過去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
1847 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
1848 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
還是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
1848 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
1849 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
所以還是請這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
1854 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
1856 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
好謝謝許醫生委員的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
1856 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
1859 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
謝謝主任院長相關部會首長的備詢謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
1859 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
1871 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
我們本日排定的質詢委員已經質詢完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
1871 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
1873 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
謝謝主任院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
1873 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
1876 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
政務院長以及各位部會首長的練習答詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
1876 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
1877 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
10月6號 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
1877 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
1881 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
星期二上午9點繼續進行施政報告質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
1881 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
1884 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
我們繼續處理朝野黨團協商結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
1884 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
1885 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
請議事人員宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
1885 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
1887 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
立法院黨團協商結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
1887 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
1890 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
時間115年10月22日星期五上午95分 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
1890 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
1892 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
第一點議場主席辦公室決定事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
1892 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
1895 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
一請各黨團於10月19日星期一下午5時前 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
1895 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
1897 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
將115年度增加政府總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
1897 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
1899 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
附屬大陸預算營業及非營業部分之提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
1899 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
1901 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
順治財政委員會會成 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
1901 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
1902 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
預時不再收案 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
1902 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
1904 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
二財政委員會收案後 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
1904 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
1905 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
叫各該委員會整理 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
1905 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
1907 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
複印相關提案後 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
1907 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
1909 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
於10月23日星期五中午12時前 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
1909 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
1911 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
提供各黨團及相關行政部會 |