| IVOD_ID |
171181 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171181 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-6-2 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期第2次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-02T09:41:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-02T10:12:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/65674ec246be45573592ad4ba2dce5df99386a17e8c1f59e05515548bbd0bd5abfec343d2020f60e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳昭姿 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:41:44 - 10:12:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第6會期第2次會議（事由：對行政院院長施政報告進行質詢。） |
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有請卓院長 |
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麻煩請卓院長備選 |
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陳偉好 |
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好 院長早 |
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院長 我想先請教你喔 |
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您希望台灣的歷史 |
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未來如何評價您 |
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您是一位大人物 |
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每一位大人物大概都會有他的歷史評價 |
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有時候是在有生之年 |
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有時候是在這個概觀論定 |
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但也有時候是隔了好多代 |
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但是我也理解就是說 |
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通常歷史評價 |
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不太容易掌握在自己的手上 |
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那我想報告院長 |
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這個我看過古往今來 |
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很多名人的這個所謂的 |
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慕志明 |
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他們就是外國人放在慕杯上的慕志明 |
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我也為自己寫下了慕志明 |
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那其實慕志明 |
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台灣人沒有做這個習慣 |
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但是他是個概念 |
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也就是說你可不可以用短短幾個字 |
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或一兩句話 |
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來做一個人一生的總評 |
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所以我想請教院長 |
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如果請您親自執筆 |
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73 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
77 |
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您會為自己寫下什麼樣的一生總評 |
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77 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
79 |
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一兩句話好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
79 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
81 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
歷史的評價應該交給歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
81 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
83 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
我自己應該沒有那個能力 |
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83 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
85 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
為自己做評價 |
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85 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
87 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
但是我跟全國的公眾 |
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87 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
89 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
我跟全國的公務人員一樣 |
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89 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
93 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
依法來從事公務的所有國家的公務人員 |
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93 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
94 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
無論是軍公教 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
94 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
96 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
無論是中央地方 |
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96 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
99 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
都應該在謹守奮進 |
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99 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
100 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
奉公守法 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
100 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
102 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
恪遵憲法 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
102 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
105 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
遵照依法行政的原則來做我 |
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105 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
109 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
從議員到立委到行政政務人員 |
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109 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
110 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
所有的生物 |
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110 |
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113 |
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一兩句話就可以一個評價 |
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113 |
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115 |
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那院長就是覺得自己 |
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115 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
119 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
有恪遵法規來執行您的職務 |
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119 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
121 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
院長這個川習會剛結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
121 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
123 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
我今天不談政治效應 |
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123 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
125 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
但是我想就這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
125 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
127 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
美國跟中國之間的區別 |
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127 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
129 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
我想請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
129 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
131 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
麻煩您很簡短的回答就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
131 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
133 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
請問美國跟中國 |
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133 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
135 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
哪一個是民主國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
135 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
137 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
哪一個是民主國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
137 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
139 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
這個在天平 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
139 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
141 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
在光譜的兩端太懸殊了 |
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141 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
144 |
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當然是美國是一個民主的國家 |
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144 |
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146 |
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中國一點邊都沉不上 |
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146 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
147 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
那你認為美國和中國 |
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147 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
150 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
哪一個對自由跟人權的保障 |
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150 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
152 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
是比較完整的 |
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152 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
155 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
當然美國的尊重民主價值 |
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155 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
157 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
跟人權價值的普世價值 |
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157 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
159 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
跟世界有盟國家是比較一致的 |
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159 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
162 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
中國是屬於集權統治的黨國時代 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
162 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
165 |
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院長簡單回答就可以謝謝你 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
165 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
166 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
那你認為美國和中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
166 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
169 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
哪一個對於人民的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
169 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
171 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
比較會去努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
171 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
173 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
去達成他們的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
173 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
175 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
美國從人民的需求面 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
175 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
176 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
滿足人民的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
176 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
177 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
中國是從統治面 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
177 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
180 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
來壓迫人民接受統治的手法 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
180 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
181 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
那我就請教院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
181 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
183 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
美國跟中國哪個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
183 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
185 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
已經把代理孕母制度化了 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
185 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
187 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
哪一個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
187 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
188 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
哪一個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
188 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
189 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
代孕 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
189 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
191 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
對把代孕合法化了法治化了 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
191 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
193 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
法治化的背後 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
193 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
197 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
要看它整個社會的風氣 |
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197 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
199 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
以及整個社會的認知 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
199 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
201 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
是不是在合於人權的規定底下 |
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201 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
203 |
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就是美國啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
203 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
205 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
美國一個是40年 |
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205 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
207 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
一個是一位的進職 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
207 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
208 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
院長就是這麼清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
208 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
210 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
答案你OK嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
210 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
212 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
這個答案就清楚 |
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212 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
214 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
那院長我曾經非常的支持民進黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
214 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
215 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
因為早期的民進黨 |
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215 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
218 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
它不但為人民爭取民主 |
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218 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
220 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
那也提倡進步價值 |
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220 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
222 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
可是我覺得這些年還是退步了 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
222 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
227 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
那這個2002年賴清德立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
227 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
230 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
他提出了台灣第一部的代孕法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
230 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
233 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
但是20幾年後賴立委已經成為賴總統了 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
233 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
235 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
可是現在的民進黨立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
235 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
238 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
卻用力在反對代孕 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
238 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
241 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
院長有一些人稱民進黨是綠共 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
241 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
244 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
當然我個人沒有百分之百認同這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
244 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
246 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
可是我有發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
246 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
248 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
在代孕這個議題上 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
248 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
250 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
民進黨立委的主流論述 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
250 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
253 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
跟中國共產黨如出一策 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
253 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
255 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
我想請院長看一下這個投影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
255 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
258 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
中共人大代表蔣勝南說 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
258 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
261 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
代孕是把女性器官視為加工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
261 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
263 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
是對女性的物化跟歧視 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
263 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
266 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
不是任何需求都需要去被滿足的 |
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266 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
269 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
代孕是一種削弱的 |
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269 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
271 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
削弱是階級 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
271 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
274 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
沈柏楊甚至說代孕的需求不會消失 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
274 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
277 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
人類對賭博的需求也不會消失 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
277 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
280 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
但不代表我們要建立制度來應對 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
280 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
284 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
應該選擇成本較小的方式來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
284 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
286 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
天哪連主張任何形式的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
286 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
288 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
都是統戰的沈柏楊 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
288 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
291 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
他的論述居然跟中共一模一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
291 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
293 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
院長你不覺得諷刺嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
293 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
296 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
民進黨口口聲聲說台美友好 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
296 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
303 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
卻把美國跟英國施行40年的代孕制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
303 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
305 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
完全妖魔化了 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
305 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
308 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
跟中國共產黨做法一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
308 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
310 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
無視人民的需求一味的禁止 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
310 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
313 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
院長我們現在繼續往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
314 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
318 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
請院長看看法治化跟地下化的對比 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
318 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
321 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
左邊是最近轟動全球的新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
321 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
325 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
發生在有完善代孕制度的美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
325 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
329 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
Lady Gaga她因為飽受病痛之苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
329 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
331 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
而選擇了代孕 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
331 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
全球媒體都說是喜迎愛女 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
337 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
都說是一樁喜事喜迎愛女 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
337 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
339 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
院長你認識Lady Gaga吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
339 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
340 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
你知道吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
340 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
聽過歌 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
343 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
Lady Gaga長期以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
343 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
349 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
她是對女性權益跟LGBTQ這個族群發聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
349 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
354 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
她甚至坦然揭露她自己曾經被性侵被霸凌 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
354 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
356 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
她的作品很多都是反思 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
356 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
在父權體制下女性是如何被剝削被凝視被壓迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
那麼我想請問院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
368 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
你覺得Lady Gaga她尋求代孕 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
368 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
371 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
你會覺得她是在壓迫剝削女性嗎 |
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371 |
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373 |
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請你簡單回答你覺得呢 |
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373 |
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379 |
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每個人對自己以及對群體的價值觀念判斷不一樣 |
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379 |
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382 |
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院長我是請教你我Lady Gaga |
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382 |
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383 |
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我尊重她 |
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383 |
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385 |
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那你覺得她是在剝削女性嗎 |
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385 |
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387 |
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我也尊重她在美國社會當中 |
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387 |
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391 |
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在法治底勢下所擁有的自己的選擇權 |
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391 |
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393 |
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院長請你在右邊這張圖表 |
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393 |
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396 |
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中國政府是嚴格禁止代孕的 |
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396 |
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402 |
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但結果中國成為全世界地下化代孕工廠 |
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402 |
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404 |
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最大的地下化代孕工廠 |
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404 |
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407 |
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沒有任何監督跟管理 |
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407 |
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408 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
那代表什麼 |
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408 |
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410 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
孕母跟小孩都得不到保障 |
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410 |
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414 |
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請問院長你要台灣也變成這個樣子嗎 |
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414 |
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417 |
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台灣跟中國完全不一樣就在這裡 |
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417 |
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420 |
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我們禁止一樣就不會讓它地下猖狂 |
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420 |
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421 |
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院長小心 |
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421 |
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423 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
您接下來看我的內容 |
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424 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
426 |
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我的單日後已經成真了 |
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426 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
428 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
今年6月士林地院判決 |
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428 |
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431 |
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白菜寶寶協會涉嫌違法跨國中間代孕 |
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431 |
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433 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
還有詐欺取材 |
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433 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
那受害者已經組成自救會 |
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435 |
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438 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
已經足以組成自救會來提告 |
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438 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
441 |
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那目前還有一些孩子的戶籍等問題 |
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441 |
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443 |
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還有非常重要的 |
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443 |
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445 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
上個禮拜台中地檢署 |
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445 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
破獲一起跨國代孕 |
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447 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
短短一年就有25名非法代孕 |
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452 |
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454 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
在台灣出生的孩子 |
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454 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
這些都是台灣的小孩 |
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456 |
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459 |
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他們的爸爸都是台灣人 |
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459 |
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461 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
但是孩子沒有法律保障 |
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461 |
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465 |
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那也會面臨侵權身份的問題 |
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465 |
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468 |
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那代孕媽媽更是沒有保障 |
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468 |
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470 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
院長發生在台灣的 |
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470 |
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471 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
台中的一家醫院 |
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471 |
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473 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
他去生出這個孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
473 |
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479 |
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沒有法治化才最可能造成商品化跟剝削的主要原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
479 |
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481 |
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您同意我這個論調嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
481 |
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483 |
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我應該我們這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
對一個無法生育的人 |
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485 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
我們用各種方式來協助他是應該的 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
487 |
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489 |
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但是這個方式 |
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489 |
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491 |
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在這個社會上的價值觀 |
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491 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
要普遍被接受 |
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493 |
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495 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
而且我們應該有法可管 |
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495 |
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497 |
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有社會的風氣社會的習慣 |
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497 |
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499 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
可以來規範一定的行為 |
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499 |
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501 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
那我們也相信所有進步的女性 |
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501 |
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503 |
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所有進步的女性 |
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503 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
在推動平權家運動的時候 |
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506 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
也不見得完全是都同意這樣的行為 |
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509 |
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512 |
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但是我們希望取得更大的共識 |
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512 |
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513 |
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達到平衡點 |
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513 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
一樓的協助者可能您都認識了 |
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515 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
我們現在反觀中共 |
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517 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
這個國家衛生委員10年前就說要嚴格的打擊待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
521 |
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524 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
結果呢越打越猖獗 |
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524 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
那台灣就是剛剛我提到的地檢署破獲這個大案 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
528 |
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529 |
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但是我要告訴院長 |
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529 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
我知道的案例 |
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531 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
其實都沒有包括在裡面 |
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534 |
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537 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
那當國家不願法治化管理的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
我已經示範給你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
539 |
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540 |
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你意外的禁止 |
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540 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
那人民有需求結果呢 |
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542 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
地下化 |
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544 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
讓很多人都冒著很大的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
院長這是你要的結果嗎 |
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548 |
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550 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
台灣都發生了 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
我們正也全面收集外國各種的立法力 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
553 |
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556 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
無論是贊同的或是禁止的 |
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556 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
我們來分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
跟我們台灣社會能不能有一個平衡點 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
那這個事情的工作一直在進行當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
院長我再繼續談 |
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564 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
我很遺憾您始終沒有掌握完整的民意 |
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568 |
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570 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
我最近拜訪了一位醫師資政 |
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570 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
我想你知道是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
574 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
他對我說旁邊還有人我的助理 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
574 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
待遇是功德無量影響深淵 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
那張景森前政委他是公開談 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
在臉書說不應該用社會沒有共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
一再拖延這個待遇立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
587 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
他甚至提醒民進黨 |
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587 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
因為你號稱是民主進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
他甚至提醒民進黨說要注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
自己進步這個主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
是不是過時了 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
他總共提出10點 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
關於待遇修法的建議 |
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599 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
我認為相當的精準 |
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601 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
可以作為修法的重要參考 |
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603 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
那院長我想請教您 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
您可以撥一點時間 |
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607 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
您寶貴的時間向這位資政 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
613 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
還有張景森前政委請議 |
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613 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
聽聽他們的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
你可以撥時間嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
當然可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
張景森前政委無論是在談這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
或是在談高鐵的議題 |
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621 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
我都可以向他來請議 |
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623 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
因為他代表的一種聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
626 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
也是臺灣寶貴的意見 |
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626 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
院長這位資政本身是不孕症醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
你知道我指的是誰嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
臺中的 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
好一起來請教他 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
還有上次委員會人工升職法審查的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
民進黨用非常粗暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
霸道不人道的方式來對待我 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
一開始就程序發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
646 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
然後用表決方式把待遇脫鉤 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
646 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
然後當天禁止討論待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
他完全漠視子宮有缺損的婦女 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
656 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
因為求子不得他的痛苦 |
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656 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
當然也扼殺了男童日家庭 |
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659 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
661 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
他想要有孩子的渴望 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
661 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
所以我想請教院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
秦政院不是沒有提過 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
韓代孕的人工升職法草案 |
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669 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
671 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
其實用專法處理我也可以接受 |
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671 |
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675 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
院長您可以承諾嗎 |
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675 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
就是說可不可以再提出一次 |
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677 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
再提出一次韓有待孕的草案 |
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681 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
用專法也行 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
可以嗎院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
因為目前我們在國內的 |
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687 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
收集各方的意見差距還是很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
所以在這個情況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
我們所提出的人工升職 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
院長容許我說天下是誰沒有爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
700 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
但是爭議還是很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
700 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
有接近八成是不同意的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
704 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
那個八成有問題的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
704 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
不是平台上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
707 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
院長不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
707 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
每個人都有爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
710 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
也許我在我的職位上也有爭議 |
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710 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
712 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
也許您在你的職位上也有爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
712 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
不是用爭議就一再的拖延 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
我已經告訴你後遺症都出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
院長這個牽涉人權跟國安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
您還覺得有這樣大的疑慮嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
你也知道台灣今年剩下九萬多嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
728 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
出申訴嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
728 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
我想你要背在大腦裡嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
732 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
台灣不需要中國打過來 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
732 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
直接亡國滅種啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
這些是不怕養孩子的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
他有困難醫學上的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
740 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
我還是請院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
740 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
742 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
我可以向委員承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
742 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
我們會積極的去尋求更大的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
748 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
過程當中我們會把這個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
748 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
752 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
盡量把它弄到一個大家可以看到的時辰 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
752 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
去做出一個可以討論的機制出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
這個過程當中我相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
無論是人工升職或代孕 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
761 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
他還有其他的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
761 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
可以來讓希望擁有小孩的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
沒有其他的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
767 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
子宮有問題的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
767 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
時部長在委員會回答我 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
我很想罵他 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
771 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
子宮有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
771 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
773 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
他沒有其他替代方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
773 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
775 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
我很尊重自己所 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
775 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
從自己所重出的小孩 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
這樣的意念我很尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
780 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
那是醫學常識 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
780 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
院長我還有故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
今年7月德國執政議會黨團主席叫施潘 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
他辭職下台 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
787 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
我先問院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
787 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
790 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
你知道他為什麼辭職嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
790 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
你說赴美代理 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
不是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
德國執政議會黨團主席叫施潘 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
他辭職下台了 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
800 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
院長知道原因嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
800 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
7月的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
因為他曾經投票反對代孕 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
808 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
可是最後他自己到美國尋求代孕 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
808 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
他被人家說是雙標 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
812 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
這就是我說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
812 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
如果今天是你女兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
你孫女 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
816 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
你的摯愛 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
816 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
你的親友 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
面對同樣的問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
而且他唯一的希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
824 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
你又不准他去追求 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
824 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
827 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
施潘在他的辭職信說 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
827 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
831 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
自己在政治職務跟個人幸福之間難以平衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
831 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
833 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
那政治工作就是要找出 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
833 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
836 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
政治工作就是要找出這中間可以的平衡點 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
836 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
840 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
讓社會大家通用共用這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
840 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
841 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
這個事情不用太正確 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
841 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
844 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
我告訴你他是因為雙標而下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
844 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
845 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
而且他不應該雙標 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
845 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
847 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
院長一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
847 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
850 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
未經他人苦莫勸他人善 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
850 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
854 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
未經他人苦莫勸他人善 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
854 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
857 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
我再次提醒院長跟反對代孕的同事們 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
857 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
861 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
請不要用你的政治職務去阻擋別人追求幸福 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
861 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
862 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
尤其是民進黨立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
862 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
863 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
你們知不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
863 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
866 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
貴黨有大咖大咖的人物 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
866 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
870 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
他的孫子是利用代孕出生的 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
870 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
871 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
而且不只一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
871 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
873 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
他們是親口告訴我的 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
873 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
875 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
那基於尊重隱私 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
875 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
877 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
我不會在這裡公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
877 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
879 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
那院長您知道是誰嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
879 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
880 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
我不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
880 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
881 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
您不知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
881 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
883 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
我一直覺得您的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
883 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
886 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
您的想法非常的封閉跟封鎖 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
886 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
當然他不告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
889 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
他會告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
889 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
891 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
那其實反對者的代孕的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
891 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
895 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
我必須回到一個很實際面來談 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
895 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
897 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
他們的擔憂是存在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
897 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
899 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
我承認這些疑慮是存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
899 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
901 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
可是正是因為疑慮存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
901 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
903 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
我們是不是應該如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
903 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
906 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
更應如此才需要把它法制化 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
906 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
908 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
而轉化為具體的法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
908 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
910 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
那不是說把問題擱著 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
910 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
911 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
中眾沒看見 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
911 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
914 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
中眾沒看見房間裡的大象 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
914 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
916 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
根據衛福部的統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
916 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
918 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
不育女性將近有兩成 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
918 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
920 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
他就是子宮有缺損 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
920 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
922 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
子宮有缺損 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
922 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
925 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
那排除這個極端年齡 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
925 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
927 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
累積大概有一萬多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
927 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
929 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
那先天性子宮像我如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
929 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
930 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
發育不全 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
930 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
931 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
五千個一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
931 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
933 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
大概也有一萬多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
933 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
935 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
那我現在先不計 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
935 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
937 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
男男同志家庭的可求 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
937 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
939 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
男男同志家庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
939 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
941 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
那反正簡單的說 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
941 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
944 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
代孕是這群人唯一的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
944 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
946 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
那一定要阻斷他們希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
946 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
949 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
一定要逼著他們到海外去求助嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
949 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
麻煩院長回答我 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
954 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
我也不願意看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
954 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
957 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
也不願意看到這樣的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
957 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
958 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
我們應該尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
958 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
959 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
我數字也給你看啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
959 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
960 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
我們尊重每一個生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
960 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
961 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
無論他是用什麼方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
961 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
962 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
他總是一個生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
962 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
965 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
我們也尊重希望擁有自己小孩 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
965 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
966 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
他有一個選擇權 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
966 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
969 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
但是這個選擇權要放在當今社會當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
969 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
972 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
被法律被道德被所有的社會觀念 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
972 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
974 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
我希望您對這個議題不要擠 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
974 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
976 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
多久以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
976 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
979 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
當然您擔任行政院長之後權力更大 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
979 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
982 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
我希望您不要永遠是自私的思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
982 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
985 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
我今天很鼓勵告訴你海內外的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
985 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
987 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
我告訴你台灣也出事了 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
987 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
989 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
而且通常你會了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
989 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
990 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
你也同意吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
990 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
992 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
出事都是冰山立角 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
992 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
994 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
揭發的才算 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
994 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
996 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
不知道的你都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
996 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
997 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
我知道的會比你多 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
997 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
999 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
我當然也接觸過 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
999 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
1002 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
來自外國代理而生的小孩的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
1002 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
1003 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
我是有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
1003 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
1005 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
我也知道他們尋求這個方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
1005 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
1007 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
你剛剛也同意說 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
1007 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
1010 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
譬如說這位執政的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
1010 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
1013 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
或是說當前的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
1013 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
1015 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
然後我們看看怎麼來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
1015 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
1017 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
要專訪為什麼可以來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
1017 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
1019 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
你的國家都快亡國滅種了 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
1019 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
1020 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
你不擔心嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
1020 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
1022 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
不會我們會努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
1022 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
1023 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
麻煩院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
1023 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
1026 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
現在時部長可以請回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
1026 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
1029 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
請法務部跟人事行政總處人事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
1029 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
1031 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
我一邊說 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
1031 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
1033 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
請法務部長人事總處備署 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
1033 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
1034 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
1034 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
1036 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
今年來詐騙案爆增 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
1036 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
1039 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
地檢署114年新售案高達82萬件 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
1039 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
1042 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
比110年成長了將近三成 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
1042 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
1044 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
法務部的保守估計 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
1044 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
1047 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
大概還需要2009位 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
1047 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
1050 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
這是我們所知沒問題吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
1050 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
1054 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
法務部監守犯人近五年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
1054 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
1058 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
暴增1萬多的收容人 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
1058 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
1059 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
跟受刑人 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
1059 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
1062 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
但是管理員不增反減 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
1062 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
1066 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
目前一名大概要看守多少名受刑人 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
1066 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
1068 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
部長知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
1068 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
1070 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
我考部長好了不要考院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
1070 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
1071 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
不要考院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
1071 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
1075 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
一名監守管理員要看守多少名受刑人 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
1075 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
1079 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
我們監守管理員在看守我們在時間上 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
1079 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
1081 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
比率是很高的應該是7 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
1081 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
1085 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
12名好沒問題謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
1085 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
1087 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
因為我是從總體的來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
1087 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
1088 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
不是單純從那個來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
1088 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
1090 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
我覺得署長也許今天他不用出席 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
1090 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
1091 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
12名了 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
1091 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
1094 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
矯正署直言這個都是所知 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
1094 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
1096 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
今天你們看這個頭一片 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
1096 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
1098 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
他需要3758人 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
1098 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
1101 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
那近期法務部對監所操縮的解放 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
1101 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
1103 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
當然竟然是大開前後門 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
1103 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
1106 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
就是輕刑犯都罰錢不要關 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
1106 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
1109 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
要學習美國的有點學習美國的零員購 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
1109 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
1112 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
這個該委員我們沒有零員購 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
1112 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
1115 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
我們是那個重刑犯我們是具體求重刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
1115 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
1117 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
然後這個決議員沒有零員購 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
1117 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
1118 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
沒有那個零員購政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
1118 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
1120 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
我們是完全沒有考慮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
1120 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
1121 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
如果正經這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
1121 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
1123 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
所以這委員這個在此要澄清 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
1123 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
1126 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
如果正經說抓不到詐騙 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
1126 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
1128 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
我們就是沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
1128 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
1130 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
所以這個零員購這個是媒體那個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
1130 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
1131 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
根本完全沒有政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
1131 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
1132 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
完全沒有這回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
1132 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
1133 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
這個治安的破口 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
1133 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
1134 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
因為誰都扛不起 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
1134 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
1135 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
誰都扛不起 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
1135 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
1136 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
那我再次強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
1136 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
1138 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
我絕不贊成大開前後門 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
1138 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
1139 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
也不能走向這個零員購 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
1139 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
1140 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
你說沒有是最好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
1140 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
1143 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
我爭取的就是增加監所管理人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
1143 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
1146 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
我想請問這個人事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
1146 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
1148 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
這個司法院法務部矯正署 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
1148 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
1150 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
是不是多次跟你們溝通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
1150 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
1151 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
他需要增加員額 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
1151 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
1152 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
有或沒有就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
1152 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
1154 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
你有重視嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
1154 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
1156 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
我們很重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
1156 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
1157 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
1157 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
1159 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
這個近十年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
1159 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
1160 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
其實我們在這個區塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
1160 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
1163 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
從司法院檢察機關跟矯正署 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
1163 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
1165 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
我們已經增加了4天 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
1165 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
1166 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
我有一個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
1166 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
1168 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
你們對外宣稱說總員額法 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
1168 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
1169 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
有第四條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
1169 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
1171 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
有彈性調整不用修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
1171 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
1173 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
還說我在公聽會當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
1173 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
1174 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
他們直接代表這樣講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
1174 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
1176 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
上限還有2萬多個名額沒用到 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
1176 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
1178 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
額度沒有用到 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
1178 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
1180 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
那我想請問一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
1180 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
1181 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
這個彈性條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
1181 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
1183 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
你們都用過幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
1183 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
1185 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
總員額法下的第四條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
1185 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
1186 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
遇有一些重大事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
1186 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
1187 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
突發事情的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
1187 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
1188 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
其實有一些狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
1188 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
1190 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
他是可以做調整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
1190 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
1191 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
你用過幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
1191 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
1192 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
1192 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
1194 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
調整這個條款你用過幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
1194 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
1196 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
1196 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
1198 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
因為上次是在108年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
1198 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
1199 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
總要有學證 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
1199 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
1200 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
沒有沒有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
1200 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
1201 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
直接在法條上修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
1201 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
1202 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
我直接告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
1202 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
1203 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
剛委員你詢問到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
1203 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
1206 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
那個第四條第五項的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
1206 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
1208 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
公聽會一次都沒有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
1208 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
1209 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
那目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
1209 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
1210 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
你不要硬撞啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
1210 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
1212 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
行頭驅色啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
1212 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
1214 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
因為還沒有到那個高線 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
1215 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
1216 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
沒有高線 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
1216 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
1217 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
等一下我再問別人 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
1217 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
1219 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
基層申請這個爭奪 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
1219 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
1220 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
四處崩壁 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
1220 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
1222 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
你們有彈性這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
1222 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
1224 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
這條第四條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
1224 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
1225 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
那個是一個彈性 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
1225 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
1226 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
可以處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
1226 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
1228 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
好請問法務部長那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
1228 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
1230 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
政部長你同意嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
1230 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
1232 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
就是說現在沒有這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
1232 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
1233 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
好都不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
1233 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
1235 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
你們申請原額也沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
1235 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
1237 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
我們希望是增加原額 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
1237 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
1239 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
我們也是持續黑棍人種 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
1239 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
1241 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
來討論那個預算原額 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
1241 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
1243 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
這部分我們是希望來 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
1243 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
1244 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
我是所知來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
1244 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
1245 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
請他們就是評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
1245 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
1246 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
因為你們也做過研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
1246 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
1247 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
因為我們會再做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
1247 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
1249 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
因為有種原額法的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
1249 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
1250 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
所以當然我們是希望能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
1250 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
1251 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
增加那個預算原額 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
1251 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
1252 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
所以上去要原額嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
1252 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
1253 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
在人種 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
1253 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
1255 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
對剛委員問到那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
1255 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
1256 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
剛委員問到那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
1256 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
1257 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
那個困難嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
1257 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
1259 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
那個剛剛那個比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
1259 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
1261 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
我們是要增加那個預算原額 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
1261 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
1262 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
1比12沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
1262 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
1263 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
那現在其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
1263 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
1265 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
我們跟法務部一直在努力處理這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
1265 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
1268 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
現在是1比10.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
1269 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
1271 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
那個人種的問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
1271 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
1272 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
我問你啊人事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
1272 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
1274 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
台灣的這個介護比呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
1274 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
1275 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
就是一個這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
1275 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
1278 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
監所管理員要看顧多少這個受刑人呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
1278 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
1279 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
你有這個數字比嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
1279 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
1281 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
現在調整到1比10.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
1281 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
1282 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
剛剛我們才1比12 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
1282 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
1285 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
現在已經改善到1比10.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
1285 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
1286 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
沒有你這個分歧 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
1286 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
1288 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
有很多操作都不行啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
1288 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
1290 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
有操作到6成到8成都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
1290 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
1291 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
都持續在改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
1291 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
1292 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
用平均很危險啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
1292 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
1293 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
用平均很危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
1293 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
1294 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
但是事實上大概就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
1294 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
1296 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
平均就已經1比12了 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
1296 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
1299 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
那日本是1比2點多嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
1299 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
1300 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
美國是1比4嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
1300 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
1302 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
韓國是1比3嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
1302 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
1304 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
想想看嘛好好反省你們的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
1304 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
1307 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
你們研究說至少要1比6到8啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
1308 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
1310 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
打炸不能只靠燃燒基層啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
1310 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
1311 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
這生命啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
1311 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
1314 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
所以你們的彈性調整看得到吃不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
1314 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
1316 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
好證明需要修改 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
1316 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
1317 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
怎麼修改是可以討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
1317 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
1319 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
那人種是不是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
1319 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
1321 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
一個月內你研議提出那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
1321 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
1322 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
你的修法草案給我們看 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
1322 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
1324 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
你總要做點修正吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
1324 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
1325 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
跟我報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
1325 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
1327 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
多久按兵不動呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
1327 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
1328 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
上次有跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
1328 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
1331 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
因為這個空間還有2萬2千多人嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
1331 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
1333 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
其實還沒有到高限 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
1333 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
1334 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
你看看怎麼處理嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
1334 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
1335 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
還沒有到高限 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
1335 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
1337 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
那他們單位提出來以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
1337 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
1339 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
我們就會協助來做評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
1339 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
1341 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
1341 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
1343 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
跟委員報告一句話一件事就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
1343 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
1345 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
過去司法檢查矯正機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
1345 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
1346 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
10年來增加4千人 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
1346 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
1347 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
當然人數不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
1347 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
1349 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
因為為什麼不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
1349 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
1352 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
現在法定的原額編制16萬多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
1352 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
1354 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
但是我們現在預算原額 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
1354 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
1356 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
編了13萬多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
1356 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
1357 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
我會同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
1357 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
1358 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
我也會支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
1358 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
1361 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
在現在這個治安的狀況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
1361 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
1365 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
增加預算原額給相關司法檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
1365 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
1367 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
以及找線人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
1367 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
1368 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
我會同意我會支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
1368 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
1370 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
那告白我所知後 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
1370 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
1372 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
他們也提出他們的真正需求嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
1372 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
1375 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
那我是依據這個資料來詢問嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
1375 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
1377 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
那個總原額法有一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
1377 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
1380 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
有彈性條款就從來沒有動用過 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
1380 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
1382 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
1382 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
1384 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
目前還不需要變動總原額法 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
1384 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
1386 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
我們現在增加預算原額 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
1386 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
1388 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
預算增加就可以了 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
1388 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
1389 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
人總書面高謝謝你 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
1389 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
1390 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
那請卓葵先留步 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
1390 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
1392 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
我請內政部劉部長海瑋瑋 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
1392 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
1394 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
管主委環境部彭部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
1394 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
1396 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
交通部陳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
1396 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
1398 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
1398 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
1400 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
我一邊說節省時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
1400 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
1403 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
為了解決這個營建正與土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
1403 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
1407 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
今年就任院長您宣布了這個大填海造陸計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
1407 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
1409 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
讓原本收容這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
1409 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
1413 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
港區蘇峻坦紗的為主的台中港 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
1413 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
1415 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
他變成要去承擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
1415 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
1418 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
上千萬立方公使的營建正與土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
1418 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
1420 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
那陳委時間暫停 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
1420 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
1422 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
陳委我們就兩位部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
1422 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
1423 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
那我的時間暫停 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
1423 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
1424 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
時間暫停我已經暫停 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
1424 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
1426 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
我們不適合這麼多好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
1426 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
1428 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
這樣感覺畫面上 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
1428 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
1429 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
1429 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
1430 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
麻煩請內政部長交通部長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
1430 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
1431 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
其他兩位部長請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
1431 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
1433 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
稍微等一下好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
1433 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
1435 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
不要在次序上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
1435 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
1436 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
但我這題有涉及 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
1436 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
1438 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
部長也表達尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
1438 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
1440 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
那為了解決營建正與土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
1440 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
1445 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
院長您在六月有宣布這個大填海造陸計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
1445 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
1448 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
那原本是要收容港區蘇峻海紗的台中港 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
1448 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
1450 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
現在變成要去承擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
1450 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
1453 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
這個上千萬立方公尺的營建正與土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
1453 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
1457 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
還有上百萬立方公尺的這個所謂再生力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
1457 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
1458 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
我先請問這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
1458 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
1460 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
彭部長沒上來喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
1460 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
1462 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
我剛剛有請你上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
1463 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
1465 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
麻煩請彭部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
1465 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
1466 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
部長您一邊聽好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
1466 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
1467 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
因為您聽得懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
1467 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
1472 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
這塊地已經被海委會公告為白海豚重要棲地 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
1472 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
1475 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
那台中港既然要變更用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
1475 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
1477 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
那為什麼不用走環評 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
1477 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
1478 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
部長回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
1478 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
1479 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
為什麼用或不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
1479 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
1482 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
第一個我們非常重視白海豚 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
1482 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
1483 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
我們不會去破壞 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
1483 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
1485 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
我們要避免白海豚受到各種的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
1485 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
1486 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
就是那塊地 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
1486 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
1489 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
對但是這個事情是 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
1489 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
1491 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
因為我們環評是雙目的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
1491 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
1494 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
所以在民國111年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
1494 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
1496 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
我們有請交通部來認定這塊要不要環評 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
1496 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
1500 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
因為它外面有一塊凸出去的皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
1500 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
1502 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
按照目前的法規認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
1502 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
1503 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
它是不需要環評的 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
1503 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
1504 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
不需要環評 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
1504 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
1506 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
那個圖麻煩部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
1506 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
1507 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
你要親自看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
1507 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
1508 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
因為每次開這個工業 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
1508 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
1511 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
當然也沒辦法請動您這位大部長來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
1511 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
1514 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
我先問高雄港填方區工程計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
1514 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
1515 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
要進入二階環評 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
1515 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
1517 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
為什麼台中港就不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
1517 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
1518 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
目前還沒有送進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
1518 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
1520 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
因為它的另外一個範圍的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
1520 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
1524 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
然後還有要請交通部他們來認定這個港 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
1524 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
1525 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
是不是需要環評 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
1525 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
1527 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
因為這個在法規裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
1527 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
1528 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
主委要放在心上 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
1528 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
1533 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
保育是你們很重要的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
1533 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
1534 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
目前推動的彭部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
1534 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
1537 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
南填方區工程經費高達104億 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
1537 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
1540 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
那事實上就是111的香港計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
1540 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
1542 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
我主持過好幾次記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
1542 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
1543 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
可能五次以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
1543 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
1547 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
行政機關又說這是106的香港計畫既有開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
1547 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
1550 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
我想請問交通部陳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
1550 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
1551 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
陳部長您出席嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
1551 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
1553 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
交通部長請備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
1558 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
1559 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
這個說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
1559 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
1563 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
行政機關硬說這是106香港計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
1563 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
1567 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
那請問你們的28億預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
1567 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
1569 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
如何包含104億的工程 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
1569 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
1573 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
而且這個真的是拿A計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
1573 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
1575 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
A開發計畫來講B開發計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
1575 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
1577 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
想要護航說不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
1577 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
1579 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
這個大填海計畫不用環評 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
1579 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
1583 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
我要告訴院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
1583 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
1586 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
海委會是在2020年8月30日公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
1586 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
1588 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
為白海豚重要棄地 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
1588 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
1590 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
你公布海委會公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
1590 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
1593 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
行政院是9月20日才核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
1593 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
1596 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
備查106的香港第三次修正計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
1596 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
1598 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
根據香港法條開發行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
1598 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
1599 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
應實施環評 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
1599 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
1601 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
計畫認定等等標準第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
1601 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
1604 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
重要棄地就要進行環評 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
1604 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
1605 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
請問卓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
1605 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
1608 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
現在連基本的法定程序都不需要遵守嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
1608 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
1611 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
海委會你還把主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
1611 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
1613 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
推給台東市政府這樣對嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
1613 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
1615 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
1615 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
1617 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
白海豚的保育 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
1617 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
1619 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
政府會請全力保育白海豚 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
1619 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
1621 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
這個無庸置疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
1621 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
1623 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
至於台中港為了解決這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
1623 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
1625 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
建築土石方的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
1625 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
1627 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
它原來的填土方 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
1627 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
1632 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
增加讓各種公民營的案件可以進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
1632 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
1636 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
但是它並不動到環評的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
1636 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
1638 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
除非它要做一個大的海堤 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
1638 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
1641 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
那個海堤的討論品是另外一回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
1641 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
1643 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
我今天沒有辦法把細節給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
1643 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
1645 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
院長很多事情您不會寧願在 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
1645 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
1646 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
您高高在雲東 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
1646 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
1648 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
我都去過台中港看過 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
1648 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
1650 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
我也了解這個程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
1650 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
1653 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
目前我們在以保育為優先的狀況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
1653 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
1654 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
來處理這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
1654 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
1656 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
要求做環評 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
1656 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
1658 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
野生動物在重要棄地審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
1658 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
1659 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
這兩個審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
1659 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
1661 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
院長您可以買單嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
1661 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
1663 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
我是說能做環評 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
1663 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
1666 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
加上野生動物重要棄地審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
1666 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
1669 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
野生動物的保育一直是政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
1669 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
1671 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
跟人民一直鼓勵在做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
1671 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
1673 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
沒有錯我們願意做 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
1673 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
1675 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
我才會提出願意可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
1675 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
1678 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
白海豚我們會用保育富裕的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
1678 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
1679 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
來維護它的生態 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
1679 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
1681 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
現在在這裡的彭部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
1681 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
1683 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
這個要做環評 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
1683 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
1686 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
還有野生動物重要棄地審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
1686 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
1690 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
院長您就是同意可以做嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
1691 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
1693 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
白海豚保育富裕的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
1693 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
1695 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
政府會把它列為優先來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
1695 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
1697 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
這兩件事可以來cover |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
1697 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
1699 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
你所謂保護白海豚 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
1699 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
1701 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
一級保育類的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
1701 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
1703 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
台灣難得如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
1703 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
1707 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
現在院長您答應了 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
1707 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
1709 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
這兩件事環評加上 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
1709 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
1711 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
我們有很多相關的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
1711 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
1713 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
都已經在執行當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
1713 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
1715 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
院長就是出問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].start |
1715 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
1717 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
我比你比較快 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
1717 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
1718 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
現在我們既然要 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
1718 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
1719 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
您在零端 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
1719 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
1720 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
沒有沒有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
1720 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
1721 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
我們既然要讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
1721 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
1723 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
台中港的功能能夠增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
1723 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
1725 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
填海照顧的計畫能夠完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
1725 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
1728 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
就必須去面對這些環評生態的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
1728 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
1730 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
該做的事還是做 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].start |
1730 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
1732 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
好謝謝兩位 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
1732 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
1734 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
我再請經濟部公部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
1734 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
1736 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
公部長 國民新部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
1736 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
1738 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
我們請經濟部長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
1742 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
1744 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
部長 中游三街已經被 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
1744 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
1747 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
最高行政法院撤銷開發面積 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
1747 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
1749 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
95.4公頃 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
1749 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
1751 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
為什麼沒有停工 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
1751 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
1753 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
報委員那個只是 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
1753 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
1754 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
第一個階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
1754 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
1756 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
而且是後面還有兩 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
1756 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
1759 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
後面事實上後面的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
1759 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
1761 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
報的院還有這個程序上來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
1761 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
1763 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
已經把前面包起來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
1763 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
1765 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
所以後面的這個是程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
1765 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
1766 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
還在處理當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
1766 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
1767 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
你講的話我也不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
1767 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
1769 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
如果全國人在聽誰聽得懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
1769 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
1771 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
經濟部不是要重做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
1771 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
1772 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
新的行政處分嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
1772 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
1773 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
我的了解是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
1773 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
1774 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
還是說你覺得法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
1774 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
1776 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
最高行政法院他的判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
1776 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
1777 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
根本不用理呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
1777 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
1778 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
1778 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
1780 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
因為他是有分階段的 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
1780 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
1782 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
第一階段他只有做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
1782 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
1783 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
比較小的一個入朗 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
1783 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
1785 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
那那個入朗當然行政上 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
1785 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
1786 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
程序上來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
1786 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
1788 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
對最高法院有點意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
1788 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
1790 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
但是後面的後面報過去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
1790 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
1792 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
這個部分已經把這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
1792 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
1793 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
cover進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
1793 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
1795 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
你可不可以先停止利用那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
1795 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
1796 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
判決設定判決設定 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
1796 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
1798 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
確定部分那個海岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
1798 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
1800 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
就判決確定的那個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
1800 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
1801 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
先停止利用他嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
1801 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
1802 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
那事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
1802 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
1804 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
那個部分事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
1804 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
1806 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
我們現在製作的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
1806 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
1807 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
也沒有那個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
1807 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
1809 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
沒有用到那個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
1809 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
1810 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
所以其他的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
1810 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
1812 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
還是在持續進行當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
1812 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
1813 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
那你也可以下令停工 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
1813 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
1815 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
不然他已經公告這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
1815 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
1816 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
最高行政法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
1816 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
1817 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
已經公告這個命令 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
1817 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
1818 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
但我們看不到任何動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
1818 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
1820 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
那你想人民怎麼想 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
1820 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
1821 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
沒有因為那個部分來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
1821 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
1822 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
我們政府行政機關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
1822 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
1824 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
民意代表我們怎麼想 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
1824 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
1827 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
沒有我們還是依這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
1827 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
1829 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
當初核定的部分來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
1829 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
1830 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
你的意思是說你會尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
1830 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
1833 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
最高行政法院的裁定 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
1833 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
1837 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
不是 最高行政法院的判決的那個範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
1846 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
1847 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
對 是真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
1847 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
1849 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
我知道你寓意 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
1849 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
1850 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
謝謝 謝謝陳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
1850 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
1851 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
謝謝陳召政委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
1851 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
1852 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
謝謝卓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
1852 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
1854 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
跟相關部會首長背景 謝謝 |