| IVOD_ID |
171083 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171083 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第29次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
29 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第29次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-19T12:20:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-19T12:37:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0db75461a96d9b80739c8641f17fd87d2b450a12875ec880f0d91e61b44ec3a71e0ef36d357a05ce5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
范雲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:20:00 - 12:37:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第29次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員賴惠員等17人擬具「刑事訴訟法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、審查委員洪孟楷等26人擬具「刑事訴訟法部分條文修正草案」案。
三、審查委員王世堅等16人擬具「刑事訴訟法增訂部分條文草案」案。
四、審查委員翁曉玲等21人擬具「刑事訴訟法第四百五十五條之四十六條文修正草案」案。
五、審查委員吳宗憲等18人擬具「刑事訴訟法部分條文修正草案」案。
六、審查委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「刑事訴訟法部分條文修正草案」案。
七、審查委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「刑事訴訟法第三百十條條文修正草案」案。
【第六案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
【本次會議僅進行詢答】） |
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0 |
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11.6 |
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謝謝昭偉 |
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11.6 |
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14.18 |
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我第一題先請黃次長 |
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14.18 |
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15.64 |
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待會再請高秘書長 |
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15.64 |
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16.64 |
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好 請黃次長 |
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16.64 |
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19.24 |
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文宇好 |
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19.24 |
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20.44 |
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次長您好 |
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20.44 |
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22.64 |
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今天主要是追蹤 |
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22.64 |
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25.28 |
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我4月30號首次質詢 |
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25.28 |
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28.16 |
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7月22號再次質詢的主題 |
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28.16 |
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30.72 |
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就是請法務部 |
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30.72 |
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32.92 |
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研議各國的經驗 |
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32.92 |
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35.92 |
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就關於性侵罪裡面 |
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35.92 |
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37.2 |
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所謂的國際說的 |
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37.2 |
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39.2 |
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積極同意的定義 |
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39.2 |
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41 |
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7月22號的時候 |
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41 |
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42.8 |
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剛好就是您 |
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42.8 |
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45.24 |
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就是您已經承諾說 |
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45.24 |
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48.24 |
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兩個月內會提供可行性的報告 |
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48.24 |
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49.68 |
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那次長還記得這件事嗎 |
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49.68 |
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50.2 |
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我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
50.2 |
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54.08 |
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就是這個only yes這個原則 |
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54.08 |
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56.32 |
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我們那時承諾是要再去搜尋 |
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56.44 |
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59.08 |
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文宇提到法國跟丹麥的立法例 |
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59.08 |
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60.88 |
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不要專門指引美國的立法例 |
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60.88 |
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64.28 |
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謝謝 次長都有提到既得內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
64.28 |
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65.68 |
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就不要只看美國的 |
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65.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
68.52 |
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我們看丹麥跟法國這些 |
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68.52 |
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70.6 |
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就是在性別平等方面 |
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70.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
72.12 |
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相當不錯的國家 |
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72.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
73.8 |
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那我今天主要是想要 |
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73.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
75.96 |
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第一個怕你們忘記 |
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75.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
77.56 |
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因為兩個月快到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
77.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
79.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
那第二個也再次告訴您 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
79.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
82.64 |
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為什麼特別關心這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
82.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
84.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
那個次長您知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
84.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
86.52 |
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我們的國際公約 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
86.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
89.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
就是CEDAW公約已經國內法化嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
89.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
89.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
89.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
91.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
好 那其中裡面 |
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91.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
94.04 |
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有談到性別暴力的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
94.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
97.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
它就是基於性別歧視跟權力的壓迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
97.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
99.84 |
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我想定義的部分我就不再講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
99.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
101.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
那我是特別提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
101.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
105.04 |
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裡面的第35號一般性建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
105.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
107.12 |
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其實就是在講這個部分 |
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107.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
111.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
他有提到說確保對包含婚內強姦 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
111.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
113.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
跟熟人強姦或約會強姦 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
113.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
115.48 |
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等性犯罪的界定 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
115.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
118.28 |
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以缺少自願同意為基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
118.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
121.72 |
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並將脅迫情形要考慮在內 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
121.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
125.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
所以這其實所謂的缺少自願同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
125.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
128.48 |
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就是我們現在在討論的這一題 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
128.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
129.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
那所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
129.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
131.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
CEDAW的第二條就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
131.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
135.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
締約國應該採取一切適當的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
135.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
137.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
推行相關的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
137.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
141.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
那也請法務部就是要落實這個公約 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
141.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
143.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
再次研議各國立法經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
143.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
146.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
評估刑法的妨害新竹罪章 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
146.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
148.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
是不是應該要採積極同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
148.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
152.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
所以這部分次長可以同意吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
152.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
153.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
153.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
155.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
各位報告我們三次已經承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
155.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
157.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
兩個月內會在9月22號以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
157.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
158.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
會把這相關的評估意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
158.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
162.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
送到郭永輝跟委員的手上 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
162.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
164.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
好 那也希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
164.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
166.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
你們在這過程中可以多看 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
166.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
169.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
已經國內法化的CEDAW公約 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
169.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
171.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
他們對於剛剛我所講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
171.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
173.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
就是所謂自願同意的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
173.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
175.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
各種的論述 好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
175.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
175.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
175.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
176.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
好 可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
176.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
177.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
那謝謝請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
177.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
179.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
那我們就期待你那個兩個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
179.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
181.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
應該是什麼時候會 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
181.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
181.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
922 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
181.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
183.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
922給我們的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
183.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
186 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
那希望這一次能夠比上次更嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
186 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
188.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
能夠清楚看到各個國家 好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
188.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
188.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
188.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
190.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
190.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
193.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
好 那再來請那個高秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
193.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
194.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
好 有請高秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
194.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
195.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
195.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
196.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
您好 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
196.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
199.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
我今天也是想了解那個法官學院 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
199.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
203.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
他怎麼去辦理就是CEDAW的 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
203.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
205.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
各種相關的訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
205.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
208.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
那我們知道法官學院 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
208.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
209.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
其實有一些課程 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
209.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
213.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
包含就是我看到有 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
213.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
215.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
所謂的法官職前研習班 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
215.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
218.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
然後也有2024年增設了 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
218.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
220.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
強化CEDAW與法院之運用專門 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
221.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
223.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
還有你們也有所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
223.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
226.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
司法院級所屬各機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
226.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
229.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
推動性別主流化的實施計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
229.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
231.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
有一個計畫已經結束了 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
231.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
233.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
還有一個計畫正在進行中 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
233.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
236.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
這個院長應該了解對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
237.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
239.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
這個實施計畫細節我不了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
239.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
241.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
可是這是我們正在行充的 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
241.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
243.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
好 那您知不知道就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
243.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
247.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
CEDAW的應用類跟司法院的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
247.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
248.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
目前最不明顯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
248.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
250.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
司法院的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
250.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
253.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
目前最被大家詬病的問題是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
254.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
256.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
其實可以跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
256.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
260.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
其實CEDAW這種理念 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
260.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
265.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
真的是我們必須要讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
265.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
268.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
這個法官們必須要去學習 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
268.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
270.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
要去貫徹 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
270.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
272.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
那這個我相信就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
272.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
275.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
等於要內化成自己的 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
275.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
277.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
我不敢講信仰 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
277.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
280.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
可是是自己必須要有思考模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
280.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
282.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
這是我們司法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
282.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
285.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
一直在藉由課程 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
285.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
287.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
藉由演講 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
287.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
291 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
希望法官不是只看到法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
291 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
295.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
而是要去了解你處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
295.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
297.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
當事人之間的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
297.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
299.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
那我想那個秘書長很了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
299.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
300.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
那我想請問您 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
300.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
304.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
那您如何知道法官到底懂不懂CEDAW |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
304.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
305.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
305.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
308.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
就是說訓練了半天 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
308.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
309.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
他們懂或不懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
309.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
311.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
我們的判準是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
311.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
314.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
其實可能外界第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
314.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
318.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
就看你判決的形成 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
318.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
320.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
這個就是法官對外的語言表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
320.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
322.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
就是從法官的判決對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
322.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
326.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
還有他的整個審理過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
326.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
327.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
審理的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
327.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
327.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
327.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
332.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
那如果司法院重視這個東西的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
332.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
335.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
你們有什麼機制來確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
335.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
337.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
譬如說我們要跟其他國家比 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
337.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
340.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
我們的法官真的懂了CEDAW |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
340.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
342.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
而且落實在判決中 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
342.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
344.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
你這個指標是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
344.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
347.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
我相信各位都能夠了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
347.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
348.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
能夠考上法官 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
348.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
350.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
他資質都不錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
350.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
353.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
他學習能力也應該不錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
353.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
355.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
可是我們要尊重他的獨立性 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
355.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
358.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
所以就司法院來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
358.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
360.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
我們就是廣設課程 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
360.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
361.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
而且是要要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
361.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
363.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
我自己也是老師在上課 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
363.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
366.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
上了半天有時候學生在滑手機 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
366.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
370.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
所以到底如何知道學生有沒有學到 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
370.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
372.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
法官要上課的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
372.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
375.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
他在法官學院也是學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
375.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
378.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
到底他有沒有學到CEDAW |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
378.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
381.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
就是你們怎麼判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
381.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
384.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
當然因為整個是學習課程的設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
384.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
387.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
我相信這跟學習課程設計有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
387.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
388.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
我們不用繞來繞去 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
388.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
390.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
你怎麼作為秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
390.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
392.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
你怎麼知道法官 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
392.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
394.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
有沒有了解CEDAW |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
394.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
396.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
有應用在你剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
396.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
398.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
判決還有這個過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
398.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
399.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
最簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
399.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
401.44 |
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你有沒有任何的機制跟指標 |
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401.44 |
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403.44 |
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看判決就知道 |
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403.44 |
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405.44 |
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那你們怎麼看他有沒有 |
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405.44 |
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407.44 |
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你知道運用到CEDAW |
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407.44 |
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409.04 |
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好 |
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409.04 |
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410.24 |
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跟委員報告 |
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410.24 |
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413.04 |
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我們司法院對於法官 |
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413.04 |
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416.44 |
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是不是有去了解CEDAW |
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416.44 |
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418.24 |
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當然是從判決來看 |
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418.24 |
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420.64 |
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那你們的了解結果是什麼 |
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420.64 |
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422.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
你知不知道 |
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422.04 |
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425.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
當然我們要講說正在學習中 |
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425.84 |
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426.44 |
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沒有 |
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426.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
428.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
那他到底學習好了沒有 |
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430.24 |
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435.44 |
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就是只能要求他一直學習 |
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435.44 |
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437.04 |
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因為我們不可能 |
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437.04 |
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438.84 |
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這個一定是一直學習 |
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438.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
439.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
然後從 |
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439.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
440.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
不學到最後 |
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440.84 |
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441.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
然後從沒有 |
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441.64 |
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444.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
有沒有及格都不知道 |
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444.44 |
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446.44 |
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一直開課不知道 |
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446.44 |
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447.64 |
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就是說學生 |
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447.64 |
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449.44 |
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法官是在滑手機 |
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449.44 |
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451.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
還是有學到CEDAW |
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451.44 |
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452.64 |
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跟委員報告 |
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452.64 |
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454.44 |
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其實上課他是滑手機 |
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454.44 |
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455.64 |
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當然不能講 |
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455.64 |
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459.84 |
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可是從判決的呈現 |
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459.84 |
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461.24 |
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那判決怎麼呈現 |
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461.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
463.04 |
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他有沒有了解CEDAW |
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463.04 |
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464.24 |
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時間不夠了 |
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464.24 |
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466.04 |
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真的沒有辦法在這邊繞了 |
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466.04 |
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468.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
您剛剛很多答案都答得這麼好 |
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468.04 |
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469.84 |
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這麼直接還被稱讚 |
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469.84 |
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470.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
那這一題的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
470.84 |
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472.44 |
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不是因為委員問的 |
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472.44 |
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474.24 |
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這一定要從判決來看 |
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474.24 |
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475.84 |
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判決你們有在看嗎 |
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475.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
476.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
有 |
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476.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
477.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
指標是什麼 |
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477.44 |
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478.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
我們都在統計 |
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478.84 |
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480.24 |
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指標是什麼 |
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480.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
482.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
像他對於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
482.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
484.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
這個什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
484.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
485.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
等於判決分析一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
485.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
487.64 |
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那分析的結果是什麼 |
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487.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
489.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
當然我們還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
489.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
491.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
在進步的必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
491.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
493.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
現在的情況如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
493.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
494.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
結果是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
494.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
496.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
我當然不能說 |
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496.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
497.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
我很滿意 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
497.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
499.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
那你不滿意的指標是什麼 |
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499.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
502.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
我覺得就是就個案裡面 |
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502.64 |
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505.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
法官關於這些的思考度 |
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505.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
508.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
我覺得你如果問我個人 |
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508.24 |
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510.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
我覺得必須精進 |
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510.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
511.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
必須精進 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
511.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
511.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
511.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
514.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
那但是你還是沒有跟我說指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
514.24 |
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516.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
我先跟你講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
516.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
517.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
國際審查委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
517.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
519.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
已經多次說 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
519.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
521.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
就是CEDAW的培訓 |
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521.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
524.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
就是不只應該是必修科目 |
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524.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
526.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
那更應該從學校法律系所 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
526.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
528.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
但那個部分不是你們管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
528.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
531.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
檢察官以及法官的職前培訓 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
531.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
532.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
法務部也有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
532.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
534.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
那法官這部分當然是 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
534.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
536.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
跟你們的法官學院 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
536.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
538.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
那當然我們有去查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
538.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
540.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
你們上課的情況 |
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540.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
542.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
你們有44%的CEDAW |
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542.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
545.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
或性別主流化課程是線上學習 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
545.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
548.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
那我問了曾經幫你們上課的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
548.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
549.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
他們真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
549.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
552.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
線上學習的效果如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
552.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
553.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
因為是線上嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
553.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
555.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
那當然現場會比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
555.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
557.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
我們假設比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
557.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
558.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
但是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
558.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
560.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
你們沒有任何的評量機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
560.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
562.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
所以真的效果不確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
562.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
564.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
只知道人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
564.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
565.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
我們看到你們的指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
565.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
567.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
就只有辦理場次跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
567.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
569.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
課程參訓率 |
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569.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
571.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
那但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
571.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
573.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
就是國際公約 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
573.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
575.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
今年國際審查委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
575.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
576.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
他們都是聯合國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
576.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
578.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
CEDAW國際審查委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
578.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
580.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
他們再次提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
580.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
581.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
你們應該要強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
581.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
586.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
裁判書引用CEDAW的數量跟品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
586.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
589.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
然後國際審查主席說 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
589.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
592.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
台灣把CEDAW國內法劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
592.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
594.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
但是司法部門是否 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
594.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
597.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
真正落實CEDAW是一大問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
597.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
602.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
那如果裁判書引用CEDAW的數量跟品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
602.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
603.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
我們來看的話 |
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603.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
606.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
那真的非常的抱歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
606.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
607.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
非常少 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
607.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
610.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
而且專家們就是司法改革團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
610.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
613.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
認為你們的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
613.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
616.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
混水的可能性很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
616.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
618.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
就算有混水好了 |
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618.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
621.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
那以兒童權利公約 |
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621.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
622.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
兩公約 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
622.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
623.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
身障公約比起 |
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623.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
626.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
CEDAW公約引用非常少 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
626.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
628.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
兒童權利公約 |
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628.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
630.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
兒童的權利都比較被重視 |
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630.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
631.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
超過一萬件 |
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631.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
635.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
CEDAW只有298件 |
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635.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
637.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
而且要跟秘書長講 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
637.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
640.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
不是法官引用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
640.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
642.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
是受害端 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
642.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
643.84 |
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所謂的事 |
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643.84 |
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646.14 |
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就是這一端引用的 |
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646.14 |
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649.74 |
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而且高度集中在引用同一個案例 |
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649.84 |
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651.64 |
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所以很多時候算起來 |
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651.64 |
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653.44 |
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還不完全算是 |
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653.44 |
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655.14 |
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所以你們的法官 |
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655.14 |
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657.94 |
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幾乎很少引用 |
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657.94 |
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661.24 |
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那更不用跟兒童權利公約比 |
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661.24 |
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662.64 |
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兩公約 |
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662.64 |
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664.24 |
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還有身障公約 |
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664.24 |
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667.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
為什麼跟婦女這麼重要的這個CEDAW |
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667.34 |
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670.74 |
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它幾乎不被你們的法官了解 |
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670.74 |
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672.74 |
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也很少被引用 |
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672.74 |
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675.74 |
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那這真的是一大問題 |
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675.74 |
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677.04 |
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是不是一大問題 |
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677.04 |
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678.44 |
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就是說它難道不比 |
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678.44 |
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679.94 |
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兒童權利公約重要 |
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679.94 |
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682.04 |
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跟身障公約重要嗎 |
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685.04 |
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而且幾乎都不是你們的法官在引用 |
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685.04 |
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686.94 |
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我只能跟委員報告 |
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686.94 |
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因為CEDAW公約 |
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688.04 |
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690.94 |
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如果已經內化成我們的法律 |
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690.94 |
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693.54 |
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我們法官就可能不會用CEDAW公約 |
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693.54 |
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696.04 |
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不是CEDAW公約已經國內法化了 |
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696.04 |
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696.44 |
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不對 |
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696.44 |
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698.04 |
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我的意思是說 |
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701.84 |
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我們的具體法條 |
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701.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
703.84 |
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如果是跟它符合 |
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703.84 |
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705.04 |
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當然法官就不會 |
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705.04 |
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706.64 |
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根本就不懂這個法條 |
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706.64 |
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707.84 |
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跟相關的精神 |
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707.84 |
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709.04 |
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他就不會引用 |
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709.04 |
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710.64 |
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那不然為什麼兒童權利公約 |
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710.64 |
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713.04 |
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引用超過一萬次 |
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713.04 |
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713.54 |
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對 |
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713.54 |
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716.04 |
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如果如委員所說的 |
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716.04 |
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716.54 |
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是 |
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716.54 |
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718.24 |
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其實我剛跟委員已經 |
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718.24 |
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720.04 |
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那佛也有比兒童不重要嗎 |
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720.04 |
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721.04 |
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沒有 |
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721.04 |
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724.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
其實這個如委員所了解的 |
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724.04 |
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727.04 |
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司法院關於這個是一直在呼籲 |
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727.04 |
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728.04 |
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沒有我剛剛講 |
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728.04 |
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730.24 |
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呼籲可能沒有用 |
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730.24 |
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731.64 |
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就是說你沒有指標 |
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732.84 |
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你沒有在了解 |
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732.84 |
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734.64 |
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你沒有在精進 |
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734.64 |
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736.64 |
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那個指標是什麼 |
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736.64 |
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738.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
當然我只能看 |
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738.64 |
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739.64 |
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我剛剛這個指標 |
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739.64 |
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740.64 |
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你也沒有說出來 |
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740.64 |
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741.64 |
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是我告訴您的 |
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741.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
744.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
跟委員報告 |
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744.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
745.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
而且這指標很難看 |
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745.64 |
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746.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
沒錯 |
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746.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
748.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
就說可是我必須說 |
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748.64 |
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749.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
他沒有引用 |
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749.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
752.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
是因為我們相關規定有了 |
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752.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
755.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
還是說我們法官完全忽視 |
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755.64 |
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756.64 |
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我覺得 |
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756.64 |
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757.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
那你現在連法官 |
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757.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
758.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
躲不動CEDAW |
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758.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
759.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
你都沒有辦法判斷 |
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759.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
761.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
光上課我剛剛講 |
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761.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
763.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
線上課程快要佔一半 |
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763.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
766.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
真的可能他在同時做其他事 |
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766.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
767.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
因為上完課 |
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767.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
769.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
我上完了我註冊完了 |
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769.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
772.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
我出現在900什麼場次裡頭 |
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772.64 |
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776.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
但是那個三小時我幾小時我做到了 |
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776.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
778.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
他可能沒有學到任何的東西 |
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778.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
780.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
是不是有可能 |
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780.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
781.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
我不能說沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
781.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
783.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
可是我覺得不要輕忽 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
783.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
784.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
沒有沒有沒有 |
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784.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
786.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
我跟那個委員報告 |
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786.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
788.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
但是從這個數字來看 |
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788.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
789.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
我們真的懷疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
789.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
792.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
法官懂不懂這個CEDAW相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
792.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
793.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
國內法 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
793.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
796.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
當然就如同委員所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
796.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
798.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
我們一直對沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
798.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
800.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
其實從這個幾個看來 |
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800.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
803.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
其實對於CEDAW的公約 |
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803.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
804.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
把它內化進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
804.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
806.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
也是如委員所能夠了解 |
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806.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
808.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
我們一直在強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
808.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
810.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
可是我不敢說 |
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810.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
812.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
法官是不是完全Catch到 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
812.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
813.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
這是真的努力在努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
813.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
814.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
你不敢說 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
814.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
816.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
因為你完全沒有一個機制了解他 |
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816.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
819.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
是不是知道了CEDAW公約 |
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820.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
822.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
當然我們希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
822.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
824.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
不能只希望 |
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824.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
825.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
跟委員報告 |
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825.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
827.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
你要讓法官了解 |
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827.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
828.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
一定是上課 |
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828.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
830.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
對那你除了上課之外 |
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830.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
832.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
你如何知道上課有沒有效果 |
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832.64 |
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834.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
為什麼你的法官 |
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834.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
836.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
就是這個學院 |
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836.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
837.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
跟您這邊沒有任何的 |
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837.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
839.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
更進一步的機制呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
839.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
841.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
可是我相信對法官 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
841.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
843.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
上課學習 |
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843.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
845.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
就是一個最重要的來源 |
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845.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
847.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
對但是我自己也是大學老師 |
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847.64 |
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850.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
上課很可能學生都在滑手機 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
850.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
853.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
可是法官的學習重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
853.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
855.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
是他要應用在他的裁判 |
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855.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
856.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
沒有應用 |
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856.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
858.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
我們怎麼在鬼打牆 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
858.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
860.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
我們兩個在這邊重複 |
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860.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
862.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
我們時間已經超過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
862.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
863.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
跟委員報告 |
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863.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
864.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
我們實際上 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
864.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
865.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
改善機制是什麼好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
865.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
867.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
秘書長改善機制是什麼 |
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867.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
869.64 |
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如果增加CEDAW的應用 |
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871.64 |
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他不能夠離兒童權利公約 |
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871.64 |
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875.64 |
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298件對11800件 |
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876.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
878.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
跟委員報告 |
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878.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
880.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
當然法官是靠上課 |
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880.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
881.64 |
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就如同委員所說的 |
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881.64 |
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883.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
我們可能不是線上上課 |
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885.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
因為如果所呈現的數字 |
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885.64 |
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887.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
讓外界認為 |
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887.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
889.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
你法官太不重視 |
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889.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
891.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
當然對法官的教 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
891.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
892.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
這個學習過程 |
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892.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
894.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
我們就會強制 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
894.64 |
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897.64 |
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那你用什麼方式來精進呢 |
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897.64 |
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898.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
他們理不理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
898.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
900.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
可以想出個方法吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
900.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
903.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
最重要就如委員所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
903.64 |
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906.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
第一個法官是優秀的 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
906.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
908.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
我們當然認為法官很優秀 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
908.64 |
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910.64 |
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對他就是要來上課 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
912.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
可是你們本來就規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
912.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
913.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
他有時數 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
913.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
915.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
對可能如委員所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
915.64 |
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917.64 |
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是不是可能你線上 |
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918.64 |
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是有沒有專心 |
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| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
921.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
不管是線上或者是實體 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
921.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
923.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
對都要有一個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
923.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
928.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
對當然就線上來上課來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
929.64 |
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是有機制 |
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929.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
931.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
其實他有沒有學到 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
932.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
934.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
是我們現在要問的 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
936.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
那法官有沒有學到 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
939.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
就等於說他在裁判上 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
942.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
他在審判過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
943.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
他有沒有表現 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
946.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
審判是一個自然的落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
946.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
947.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
但是就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
949.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
這個是我們可以回來監測 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
949.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
950.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
但我們不可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
950.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
951.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
直接影響他的審判 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
951.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
953.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
他要獨立判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
953.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
955.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
可是培訓有沒有效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
955.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
957.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
我想時間有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
957.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
960.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
這個部分是全國律師聯合 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
960.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
962.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
會跟台北律師公會 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
962.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
963.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
逐步去核對說 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
963.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
966.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
其實這個都是當事人自行引用 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
968.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
298件很少是你們的法官 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
970.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
而且高度引用同一個判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
972.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
那基本上就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
975.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
所以我們直接來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
975.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
978.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
我覺得全體法官涵蓋率 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
978.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
980.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
當然應該是你的憑良指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
980.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
983.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
但是你要有憑良監督機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
983.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
984.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
984.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
986.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
你到底去上課 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
986.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
987.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
有沒有學到 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
987.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
989.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
你要找出憑良監督機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
989.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
991.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
最後你要全面盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
991.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
993.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
系統性的去研析 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
993.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
995.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
CEDAW到底是面臨什麼挑戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
995.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
997.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
為什麼大家都沒有引用 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
997.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
1000.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
來增進我們CEDAW國際委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
1000.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
1003.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
來台灣我們請他們來 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
1003.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
1005.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
每次都有提到司法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
1005.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
1006.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
1006.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
1009.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
那不應該浪費他們寶貴的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
1010.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
那多久之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
1010.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
1012.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
我想不是立刻可以達到 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
1012.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
1014.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
做法要不要出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
1016.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
多久之內可以給本席報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
1017.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
1019.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
這個應該要三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
1021.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
是不是給我們三個月的時間 |
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1021.64 |
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1022.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
三個月 |
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1022.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
1023.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
伸出方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
1023.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
1024.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
兩個月可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
1024.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
1026.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
方法三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
1026.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
1027.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
因為這個還要跟法官學院 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
1027.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
1028.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
大家共同來動手 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
1030.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
三個月現在是8月中 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
1031.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
對 我11月提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
1032.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
11月中 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
1032.64 |
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1033.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
對 |
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1034.64 |
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好 中不要再比了 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
1036.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
最重要是我們提出來要做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
1036.64 |
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1037.64 |
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對 要做到 |
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1037.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
1039.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
我也不希望你應付我 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
1039.64 |
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1041.64 |
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對 重點在這個地方 |
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那就三個月了 |
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1044.64 |
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要有具體的方法 |
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1045.64 |
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我們會方法 |
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1045.64 |
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1047.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
不要再像我們今天這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
1047.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
1048.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
對 沒錯 |
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1048.64 |
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1049.64 |
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無限循環 |
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1050.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
謝謝秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
1050.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
1051.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
謝謝委員 |
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范委員雲 |
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2026-08-19T12:20:00+08:00 |
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謝謝召委，我第一題先請黃次長，待會再請高秘書長。 |
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0.905 |
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主席 |
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請黃次長。 |
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黃次長謀信 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
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| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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委員好。 |
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范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-08-19T12:20:19.240000+08:00 |
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次長，您好。 |
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1 |
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范委員雲 |
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2026-08-19T12:20:20.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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今天主要是追蹤我4月30號首次質詢、7月22號再次質詢的主題，就是請法務部研議各國經驗關於性侵罪裡面所謂國際說的積極同意定義，7月22號的時候剛好就是您嘛！對。 |
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0.97 |
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范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-08-19T12:20:43.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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您已經承諾兩個月內會提供可行性報告，次長，還記得這件事嗎？ |
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1 |
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黃次長謀信 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
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我知道，就是「only Yes means Yes」這個原則嘛！對。 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
黃次長謀信 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-08-19T12:20:54.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-08-19T12:21:00.730000+08:00 |
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我們當時承諾要再去搜尋委員提到的法國與丹麥的立法例，不要專門只引美國的立法例。 |
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范委員雲 |
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2026-08-19T12:21:00.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-08-19T12:21:11.902857+08:00 |
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對，謝謝次長都有記得內容，就是不要只看美國的，我們看丹麥與法國這些在性別平等方面相當不錯的國家。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-08-19T12:21:12.306667+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-08-19T12:21:22.320000+08:00 |
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我今天主要是：第一個，怕你們忘記，因為兩個月快到了；第二個，也再次告訴您為什麼我特別關心這件事。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-08-19T12:21:23.268571+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-08-19T12:21:29.460000+08:00 |
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次長，您知道我們的國際公約，就是CEDAW公約已經國內法化嘛？當然。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-08-19T12:21:30.253333+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-08-19T12:21:46.912000+08:00 |
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其中裡面有談到性別暴力的定義，就是基於性別歧視與權力壓迫，定義的部分我就不再講，我是特別提到裡面的第三十五號一般性建議其實就是在講這個部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-08-19T12:21:47.405714+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-08-19T12:22:08.221538+08:00 |
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它有提到確保對包含婚內強姦、熟人強姦或約會強姦等性犯罪的界定以缺少自願同意為基礎，並將脅迫情形要考慮在內，所以這所謂的缺少自願同意就是我們現在討論的這一題。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.986 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-08-19T12:22:09.280000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-08-19T12:22:32.140000+08:00 |
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因此，CEDAW的第二條就是，締約國應該採取一切適當辦法推行相關政策，也請法務部要落實這個公約，再次研議各國立法經驗，評估刑法妨害性自主罪章是不是應該要採積極同意，所以這部分次長基本上可以同意吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
黃次長謀信 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-08-19T12:22:33.620000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-08-19T12:22:42.269091+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，我們上次已經承諾會在兩個月內（9月22號）以前把相關的評估意見送到貴委員會及委員的手上。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.744 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
范委員雲 |
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2026-08-19T12:22:42.600000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-08-19T12:22:55.600000+08:00 |
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好，也希望你們在這過程中可以多看已經國內法化的CEDAW公約，他們對於剛剛我所講的自願同意的各種論述，好不好？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-08-19T12:22:57+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-08-19T12:22:57.480000+08:00 |
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謝謝，請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-08-19T12:22:57.833333+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-08-19T12:23:00.905000+08:00 |
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我們就期待你兩個月……應該是什麼時候會……922。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-08-19T12:23:01.760000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-08-19T12:23:08.030769+08:00 |
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922給我們報告，希望這一次能夠比上次更嚴謹，能夠清楚看到各個國家，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
黃次長謀信 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-08-19T12:23:08.600000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-08-19T12:23:09.826667+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-08-19T12:23:10.963636+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-08-19T12:23:13.058182+08:00 |
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再來請高秘書長。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-08-19T12:23:13.485714+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-08-19T12:23:14.314286+08:00 |
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有請高秘書長。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-08-19T12:23:14.480000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-08-19T12:23:15.540000+08:00 |
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委員好。您好。 |
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0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-08-19T12:23:16.040000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-08-19T12:23:53.258182+08:00 |
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我今天也是想了解法官學院怎麼辦理CEDAW的各種相關訓練，我們知道法官學院其實有一些課程，包含我看到有法官職前研習班，也有2024年增設了強化CEDAW於法院之運用專班，還有你們也有司法院暨所屬各機關推動性別主流化實施計畫，有一個計畫已經結束了，還有一個計畫正在進行中。 |
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0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-08-19T12:23:53.440000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-08-19T12:23:56.167273+08:00 |
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這部分秘書長應該了解，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-08-19T12:23:57.160000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-08-19T12:24:01.680000+08:00 |
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關於這個實施計畫，細節我不了解，可是這是我們正在執行中的。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-08-19T12:24:02.115556+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-08-19T12:24:13.025714+08:00 |
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您知不知道關於CEDAW的應用跟司法院的關係，目前最被大家詬病的問題是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-08-19T12:24:15.128889+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-08-19T12:24:57.090000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，其實CEDAW這種理念真的是我們必須要讓法官們學習、貫徹，我相信這個得要內化成自己的……我不敢講信仰，可是自己必須要有思考模式，這是我們司法院一直在藉由課程、演講，希望法官不是只看到法律，而是要去了解所處理的當事人之間的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-08-19T12:24:58.323636+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-08-19T12:24:59.287273+08:00 |
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秘書長很了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-08-19T12:24:59.660000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-08-19T12:25:04.224444+08:00 |
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我想請問您，您如何知道法官到底懂不懂CEDAW啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-08-19T12:25:04.830000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-08-19T12:25:11.590000+08:00 |
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你們訓練了半天，到底他們懂或不懂，你們的判準是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-08-19T12:25:12.506667+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:25:20.440000+08:00 |
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可能外界第一個就看判決的形成，這個是法官對外的語言表示。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-08-19T12:25:20.640000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-08-19T12:25:22.458182+08:00 |
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就是從法官的判決，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-08-19T12:25:22.640000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-08-19T12:25:25.700000+08:00 |
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對，還有他的整個審理過程。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-08-19T12:25:28.168571+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-08-19T12:25:34.960000+08:00 |
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如果司法院重視這個東西的話，你們有什麼機制來確定？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-08-19T12:25:35.240000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-08-19T12:25:44.635000+08:00 |
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譬如說我們跟其他國家比，我們的法官真的懂了CEDAW，而且有落實在判決中，你這個指標是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-08-19T12:25:44.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-08-19T12:26:01.246667+08:00 |
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我相信各位都能夠了解，能夠考上法官，他的資質都不錯、他的學習能力也應該不錯，可是我們要尊重他的獨立性，所以就司法院來講，我們就是廣設課程，而且是要要求…… |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-08-19T12:26:01.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-08-19T12:26:09.986667+08:00 |
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我自己也是老師在上課，上了半天，有時候學生在滑手機嘛，所以到底如何知道學生有沒有學到？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-08-19T12:26:10.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-08-19T12:26:20.865000+08:00 |
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當法官要上課的時候，他在法官學院也是學生，那到底他有沒有學到CEDAW，你們怎麼判斷？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-08-19T12:26:21.725714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-08-19T12:26:27.054286+08:00 |
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因為整個是學習課程的設計，我相信這跟學習課程設計有關係…… |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-08-19T12:26:27.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-08-19T12:26:30.390000+08:00 |
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秘書長，我們不用繞來繞去，作為秘書長…… |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-08-19T12:26:30.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-08-19T12:26:31.390000+08:00 |
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我要判斷…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-08-19T12:26:30.640000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-08-19T12:26:41.273333+08:00 |
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你怎麼知道法官有沒有了解CEDAW、有應用在你剛剛講的判決還有過程，你有沒有任何的機制跟指標？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-08-19T12:26:41.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-08-19T12:26:43.106667+08:00 |
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最簡單地，看判決就知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-08-19T12:26:43.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-08-19T12:26:47.258182+08:00 |
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你們怎麼看他有沒有運用到CEDAW？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-08-19T12:26:49.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-08-19T12:26:58.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
跟委員報告，我們司法院對於法官是不是有了解CEDAW，當然是從判決來看。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-08-19T12:26:58.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-08-19T12:27:00.421818+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
那依你們的了解，你知不知道結果是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-08-19T12:27:02.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-08-19T12:27:05.523333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
當然，我們要講說正在學習中！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-08-19T12:27:06.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-08-19T12:27:08.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
不是，那他到底學習好了沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-08-19T12:27:10.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-08-19T12:27:19.506667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
就是只能要求他一直學習，因為我們不可能……這個一定是一直學習，然後從…… |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-08-19T12:27:20.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-08-19T12:27:24.128889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
一直學習，然後學到最後有沒有及格都不知道！ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.684 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-08-19T12:27:24.128889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-08-19T12:27:25.128889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
沒有，從他…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-08-19T12:27:24.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-08-19T12:27:31.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
一直開課，不知道作為學生的法官是在滑手機還是有學到CEDAW。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-08-19T12:27:31.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-08-19T12:27:39.315000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
跟委員報告，上課他是不是滑手機，我當然不能講，可是從判決的呈現…… |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-08-19T12:27:39.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-08-19T12:27:42.876364+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
那判決怎麼呈現他有沒有了解CEDAW？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-08-19T12:27:43.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-08-19T12:27:50.673333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
時間不夠了，真的沒有辦法在這邊繞了，您剛剛很多答案都答得這麼好、這麼直接，還被稱讚，這題的話…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-08-19T12:27:50.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-08-19T12:27:54.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
不是，因為委員問的一定要從判決來看。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-08-19T12:27:54.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-08-19T12:27:55.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
判決你們有在看嗎？有！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-08-19T12:27:57.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-08-19T12:27:58.606667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
我們都在統計呀。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-08-19T12:27:58.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-08-19T12:27:59.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
指標是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-08-19T12:27:59.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-08-19T12:28:00.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
那您講個指標，指標是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-08-19T12:28:00.573333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-08-19T12:28:05.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
他對於這個……等於判決分析一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-08-19T12:28:05.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-08-19T12:28:07.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
那分析的結果是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-08-19T12:28:07.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-08-19T12:28:10.973333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
當然，我們還有再進步的必要！ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-08-19T12:28:11.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-08-19T12:28:14.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
不是，現在的情況如何嘛，目前的結果是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-08-19T12:28:14.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-08-19T12:28:17.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
我當然不能說我很滿意。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-08-19T12:28:17.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-08-19T12:28:19.258182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
那你不滿意的指標是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-08-19T12:28:19.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-08-19T12:28:29.954286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
我覺得就是個案裡面法官關於這些的思考度，你如果問我個人，我覺得必須精進！ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-08-19T12:28:31.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-08-19T12:28:34.055385+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
好，但是您還是沒有跟我說指標啦。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-08-19T12:28:34.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-08-19T12:28:56.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
我先跟你講一下，國際審查委員已經多次說，CEDAW的培訓不應該只是必修科目，更應該從學校法律系所，但那個部分不是你們管的，而檢察官以及法官的職前培訓部分，與法務部也有關，那法官這部分當然是你們的法官學院。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-08-19T12:28:56.906667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-08-19T12:29:13.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我們也去查了你們的上課情況，你們有44%的CEDAW或性別主流化課程是線上學習，我問了曾經幫你們上課的老師，他們真的不知道線上學習的效果如何，因為是線上嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-08-19T12:29:13.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-08-19T12:29:15.617778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
那現場會不會比較好？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-08-19T12:29:15.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-08-19T12:29:29.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
我們假設比較好，但是因為你們沒有任何的評量機制，所以真正的效果不確定，只知道人數，我們看到你們的指標就只有辦理場次跟課程參訓率。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.983 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-08-19T12:29:30.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-08-19T12:29:57.211429+08:00 |
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但是今年國際公約的國際審查委員……他們都是聯合國的CEDAW國際審查委員，他們再次提到，你們應該要強化裁判書引用CEDAW的數量跟品質；然後國際審查主席說，臺灣把CEDAW國內法化，但是司法部門是否真正落實CEDAW是一大問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-08-19T12:29:57.692632+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-08-19T12:30:06.840000+08:00 |
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如果我們來看裁判書引用CEDAW的數量跟品質，那真的非常抱歉，非常少！ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-08-19T12:30:07.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-08-19T12:30:26.673333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
而且專家們、司法改革團體認為你們的數據混水的可能性很高，就算有混水好了，跟兒童權利公約、兩公約、身障公約比起來，CEDAW公約引用非常少！ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-08-19T12:30:26.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-08-19T12:30:34.715000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
兒童的權利都比較被重視，兒童權利公約引用超過1萬件，CEDAW只有298件。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.742 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-08-19T12:30:35.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-08-19T12:30:53.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
而且要跟秘書長講，不是法官引用的，而是受害端這一端引用的，而且高度集中在引用同一個案例，因此很多時候算起來還不完全算是。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-08-19T12:30:53.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-08-19T12:31:12.406667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
所以你們的法官幾乎很少引用，更不用跟兒童權利公約、兩公約、身障公約比，為什麼對婦女這麼重要的CEDAW幾乎不被你們的法官了解、也很少被引用？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-08-19T12:31:13.073333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-08-19T12:31:15.406667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
這真的是一大問題！ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-08-19T12:31:15.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-08-19T12:31:16.854286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
是不是一大問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-08-19T12:31:17.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-08-19T12:31:21.777500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
它難道不比兒童權利公約跟身障公約重要嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-08-19T12:31:22.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-08-19T12:31:24.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
而且幾乎都不是你們的法官在引用。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-08-19T12:31:25.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-08-19T12:31:33.387059+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
我只能跟委員報告，因為CEDAW公約如果已經內化成我們的法律，法官就可能不會用CEDAW公約來…… |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-08-19T12:31:33.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-08-19T12:31:35.727500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
不是，CEDAW公約已經國內法化，但是從來沒有被引用。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-08-19T12:31:36.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-08-19T12:31:44.525714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
對，我的意思是，我們的具體法條如果跟它符合，當然法官就…… |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-08-19T12:31:45.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-08-19T12:31:48.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
他如果根本就不懂這個法條跟相關的精神，他就不會引用嘛…… |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-08-19T12:31:48.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-08-19T12:31:49.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
對，所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-08-19T12:31:49.173333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-08-19T12:31:52.697143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
不然為什麼兒童權利公約引用超過1萬次？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-08-19T12:31:53.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-08-19T12:31:57.673333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
對，如委員所說的，其實我剛剛已經跟委員承認…… |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-08-19T12:31:58.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-08-19T12:32:00.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
那婦女有比兒童不重要嗎？沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-08-19T12:32:00.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-08-19T12:32:01.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
沒有嘛，對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-08-19T12:32:01.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-08-19T12:32:06.809231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
其實這個如委員所了解的，司法院關於這個是一直在呼籲，各種…… |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-08-19T12:32:07.373333+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:32:16.354286+08:00 |
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不是，我剛剛講呼籲可能沒有用嘛，就是你沒有指標、你沒有在了解、你沒有在精進，那個指標是什麼？ |
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0.925 |
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范委員雲 |
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2026-08-19T12:32:18.782857+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:32:25.515000+08:00 |
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剛剛這個指標你也沒有說出來，是我告訴您的，秘書長，而且這個指標很難看啊！ |
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0.844 |
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高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T12:32:25.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:32:32.367273+08:00 |
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沒錯，可是我必須說，他沒有引用是因為我們相關規定有了呢？ |
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0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T12:32:32.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:32:35.367273+08:00 |
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還是我們的法官完全忽視？ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T12:32:35.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:32:36.306667+08:00 |
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我覺得…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-08-19T12:32:36.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:00.306667+08:00 |
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那你現在連法官懂不懂CEDAW都沒有辦法判斷，光是上課，我剛剛講線上課程快要占一半，他真的可能同時在做其他事嘛，即便上完課，上完了、註冊完了、出現在什麼場次裡頭，雖然那個3小時、幾小時做到了，他可能沒有學到任何東西啊，是不是有可能？ |
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0.883 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:00.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:03.417778+08:00 |
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我不能說沒有可能，可是我覺得不要輕忽…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
范委員雲 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:03.417778+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:04.640000+08:00 |
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可能性不低吧？沒有！ |
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0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:04.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:06.390000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-08-19T12:33:06.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:13.306667+08:00 |
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但是從這個數字來看，我們真的懷疑法官懂不懂CEDAW相關的國內法。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:13.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:17.497143+08:00 |
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當然，就如同委員所說的，我們一直…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
范委員雲 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:17.497143+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:18.497143+08:00 |
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他比較懂兒童權利公約啦。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:17.782857+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:33.528889+08:00 |
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對，沒錯，其實從這幾個看來，對於把CEDAW公約內化進來，也是如委員所了解的，我們一直在強化，可是我不敢說法官是不是完全catch到，這是真的努力再努力…… |
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0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-08-19T12:33:34.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:39.409231+08:00 |
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因為你完全沒有一個機制了解他是不是知道了CEDAW公約。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-08-19T12:33:40.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:42.306667+08:00 |
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就只能……當然，我們希望能夠…… |
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0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-08-19T12:33:42.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:44.240000+08:00 |
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我們不能只希望啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-08-19T12:33:44.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:48.440000+08:00 |
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可是跟委員報告，要讓法官了解一定是上課嘛。 |
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0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
范委員雲 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:48.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:33:52.473333+08:00 |
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對，除了上課之外，你如何知道上課有沒有效果？ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-08-19T12:33:52.640000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-08-19T12:33:59.390000+08:00 |
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為什麼你的法官學院跟您這邊沒有任何更進一步的機制呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-08-19T12:33:59.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:34:05.440000+08:00 |
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可是我相信對法官來說，上課學習就是一個最重要的來源…… |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
范委員雲 |
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2026-08-19T12:34:05.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:34:10.390000+08:00 |
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對，但我自己也是大學老師，上課很可能學生都在滑手機。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T12:34:10.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:34:15.440000+08:00 |
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可是法官的學習重點是他要應用在他的裁判，我不可能…… |
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0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-08-19T12:34:15.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:34:22.417778+08:00 |
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他沒有應用CEDAW公約，我們怎麼在鬼打牆，我們兩個在這邊重複，時間已經超過了…… |
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0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T12:34:22.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:34:24.440000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，我們實際上…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
范委員雲 |
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2026-08-19T12:34:24.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:34:25.540000+08:00 |
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那您說我們的改善機制是什麼，好不好？ |
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0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-08-19T12:34:25.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-08-19T12:34:27.440000+08:00 |
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秘書長，改善機制是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-08-19T12:34:27.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-08-19T12:34:34.306667+08:00 |
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如何增加CEDAW的應用，它不能夠離兒童權利公約……298件對1萬1,800件。 |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T12:34:36.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:34:54.306667+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，當然法官是靠上課，就如同委員所說的，我們可能不是線上上課，如果所呈現的數字讓外界認為法官太不重視，當然對法官的學習過程，我們就會強制。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-08-19T12:34:54.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:34:57.367273+08:00 |
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那你用什麼方式來精進呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-08-19T12:34:57.640000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-08-19T12:34:58.473333+08:00 |
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來看他們理不理解？ |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-08-19T12:34:58.640000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-08-19T12:35:00.390000+08:00 |
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可以想出個方法吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-08-19T12:35:00.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-08-19T12:35:06.306667+08:00 |
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最重要就如委員所說的，第一個，法官是優秀的…… |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-08-19T12:35:06.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:35:08.458182+08:00 |
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我們當然認為法官很優秀！ |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T12:35:08.640000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-08-19T12:35:10.390000+08:00 |
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對，他就是要來上課，然後上課…… |
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0.667 |
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范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-08-19T12:35:11.084444+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-08-19T12:35:13.390000+08:00 |
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你們本來就規定他有時數嘛。 |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-08-19T12:35:13.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:35:18.473333+08:00 |
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對，可能如委員所說的，他線上有沒有專心啊…… |
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0.889 |
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范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-08-19T12:35:18.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:35:23.390000+08:00 |
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不管是線上或者是實體，你要有一個機制嘛。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T12:35:24.094545+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:35:43.473333+08:00 |
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當然就線上上課來講，是有機制的，只是他有沒有學到，這是我們現在要問的，那法官有沒有學到，就等於他在裁判上、他在審判過程中，他有沒有表現。 |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-08-19T12:35:43.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-08-19T12:35:46.340000+08:00 |
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審判是一個自然的落實？對。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-08-19T12:35:47.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
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2026-08-19T12:35:53.306667+08:00 |
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這個我們可以回來監測，但我們不可能直接影響他的審判，他要獨立判斷。 |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T12:35:53.306667+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-19T12:35:54.306667+08:00 |
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是，沒錯。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-08-19T12:35:53.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-08-19T12:35:55.417778+08:00 |
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可是培訓有沒有效果？ |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-08-19T12:35:55.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-08-19T12:36:24.306667+08:00 |
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我想時間有限，這個部分是全國律師聯合會跟台北律師公會逐步去核對，其實這都是當事人自行引用，298件很少是你們的法官……而且高度引用同一個判決，基本上就是……我們直接來講，我覺得全體法官涵蓋率當然應該是你的評量指標，但是你要有評量監督機制，好不好？可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.936 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-08-19T12:36:25.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-08-19T12:36:35.497143+08:00 |
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去上課到底有沒有學到，你要找出評量監督機制，最後你要全面盤點、系統性的去研析CEDAW到底是面臨什麼挑戰？ |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
范委員雲 |
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2026-08-19T12:36:35.640000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-08-19T12:36:37.440000+08:00 |
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為什麼大家都沒有引用？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-08-19T12:36:37.854286+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:36:46.306667+08:00 |
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以增進CEDAW國際委員來臺灣，我們請他們來，每次都有提到司法院，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
范委員雲 |
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2026-08-19T12:36:46.870769+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:36:49.409231+08:00 |
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不應該浪費他們寶貴的意見。是。 |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
范委員雲 |
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2026-08-19T12:36:49.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:36:54.354286+08:00 |
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那多久之內可以……我想不是立刻可以達到，但作法要不要出來？ |
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0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
范委員雲 |
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2026-08-19T12:36:54.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:36:56.458182+08:00 |
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多久之內可以給本席報告？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-08-19T12:36:59.806667+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-08-19T12:37:01.473333+08:00 |
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可不可以給我們3個月的時間？ |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
范委員雲 |
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2026-08-19T12:37:01.973333+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:37:03.390000+08:00 |
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3個月生出方法？ |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:03.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:37:04.497143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
兩個月可不可以？ |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:04.640000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-08-19T12:37:06.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
方法，3個月？ |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:06.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:37:08.068571+08:00 |
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因為這個還要跟法官學院大家共同有共識…… |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:08.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-08-19T12:37:10.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
3個月，現在是8月中。 |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:10.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-08-19T12:37:12.640000+08:00 |
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對，我11月提出。11月中？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:13.640000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-08-19T12:37:14.497143+08:00 |
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好，月中，不要再底了。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:14.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-08-19T12:37:16.473333+08:00 |
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其實最重要是我們提出來要做到。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:16.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:37:19.417778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
對，要做到，我也不希望你應付我，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:19.640000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-08-19T12:37:21.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
對，重點在這個地方。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:21.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
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2026-08-19T12:37:24.354286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].text |
好，那就3個月，要有具體的方法。 |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:24.640000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T12:37:25.440000+08:00 |
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好，我們會方法…… |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:25.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-08-19T12:37:27.458182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].text |
不要再像我們今天這樣子，好不好？ |
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0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:28.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-08-19T12:37:29.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].text |
無限循環。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:29.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-19T12:37:30.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].text |
對，沒錯。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
范委員雲 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:29.640000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-08-19T12:37:30.440000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝秘書長。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:30.640000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-08-19T12:37:31.390000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝委員。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:31.890000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-08-19T12:37:33.604286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].text |
謝謝范雲委員。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:33.904286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-19T12:37:39.904286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
接下來是蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員，蘇清泉委員不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:40.204286+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-19T12:37:45.061429+08:00 |
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鄭正鈐委員、鄭正鈐委員，鄭正鈐委員不在。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:45.361429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-19T12:37:48.504286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].text |
接下來請林淑芬委員發言。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-08-19T12:37:48.804286+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-19T12:37:57.375714+08:00 |
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也提醒林淑芬委員，今天外委會的委員質詢時間5分鐘，麻煩請您掌握，謝謝。 |
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0 |