| IVOD_ID |
171069 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171069 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第29次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
29 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第29次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-19T11:32:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-19T11:49:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0db75461a96d9b809b4a51b17e0ab8512b450a12875ec880d62701491950973f642409915d7b18685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
莊瑞雄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:32:02 - 11:49:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第29次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員賴惠員等17人擬具「刑事訴訟法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、審查委員洪孟楷等26人擬具「刑事訴訟法部分條文修正草案」案。
三、審查委員王世堅等16人擬具「刑事訴訟法增訂部分條文草案」案。
四、審查委員翁曉玲等21人擬具「刑事訴訟法第四百五十五條之四十六條文修正草案」案。
五、審查委員吳宗憲等18人擬具「刑事訴訟法部分條文修正草案」案。
六、審查委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「刑事訴訟法部分條文修正草案」案。
七、審查委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「刑事訴訟法第三百十條條文修正草案」案。
【第六案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
【本次會議僅進行詢答】） |
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黃次長謀信 |
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黃次長謀信 |
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黃次長謀信 |
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黃次長謀信 |
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黃次長謀信 |
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0.963 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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1066.76721875 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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0 |
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2 |
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謝謝主席 |
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8.4 |
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9.4 |
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好 謝謝主席 |
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9.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
11.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
有請我們司法院高秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
11.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
12.6 |
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好 有請高秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
12.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
14.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
還有刑事廳許廳長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
14.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
15.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
好 請許廳長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
15.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
17.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
法務部 我們黃次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
17.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
19.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
好 黃次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
22.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
23.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
秘書長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
23.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
26.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
我看剛剛審判委員的質詢很精彩 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
27.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
31.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
司法院跟法務部各自講出 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
31.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
34.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
自己的看法還有擔憂 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
34.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
36.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
這個其實都是好事 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
36.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
38.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
高秘書長有一個好處 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
38.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
40.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
就是說 百分觀 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
40.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
43.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
在講一些民眾聽得懂的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
43.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
45.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
這個是好事 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
45.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
46.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
我看你們的對話裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
46.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
49.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
其實我發現問題的一個爭點在什麼地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
49.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
53.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
以這一次我們說要讓司法官來做一個檢壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
53.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
57.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
其實要讓民眾去認清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
57.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
59.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
讓民眾很清楚的了解說 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
59.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
62.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
我們簡化的是判決書 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
62.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
64.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
我們不是在簡化這個品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
64.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
66.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
你說我要減少的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
66.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
69.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我是要檢究這個文書 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
69.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
72.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
我不是要檢究老百姓的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
72.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
74.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
這個如果定調清楚的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
74.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
76.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
那我會覺得你跟黃次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
76.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
78.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
大家的想法其實都是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
78.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
79.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
都是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
79.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
81.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
那我是覺得比較奇怪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
81.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
85.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
我本時發現一個比較奇怪的現象就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
85.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
87.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
我們一直在說法官過勞 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
87.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
89.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
覺得案件太多 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
89.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
92.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
判決書怎麼寫都寫不完 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
92.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
95.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
其實在我們刑事訴訟法310條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
95.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
97.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
我看1990年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
97.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
99.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
那個時候就已經針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
99.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
101.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
這個整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
101.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
105.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
在那個經過這個部分的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
105.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
108.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
我們本來就可以去簡化判決書 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
108.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
110.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
那在2004年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
110.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
112.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
再去簡化 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
112.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
113.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
2004年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
113.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
116.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
證據原則上連內容都不用全部重寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
116.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
118.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
證據名稱下下都可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
118.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
122.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
我看2017年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
122.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
124.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
司法的國是會議裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
124.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
126.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
我看到最後你們在這一本 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
126.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
128.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
我今天中間拿一本來 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
128.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
132.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
一本裁判書類簡化跟通俗化推動要攬 |
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132.2 |
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134.2 |
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這兩千年 |
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134.2 |
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136.2 |
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你們只對於2017年那個司法國是會議 |
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136.2 |
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139.2 |
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你們到最後都還編了一本書 |
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139.2 |
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141.2 |
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我是覺得很可惜 |
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143.2 |
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這個制度講了三十幾年 |
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本來就是你可以去簡化 |
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145.2 |
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148.2 |
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也不是強制法官去簡化 |
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148.2 |
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152.2 |
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法律問題很複雜 |
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155.2 |
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社會高度爭議的 |
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158.2 |
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或者法官我認為這個法律間接 |
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161.2 |
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我覺得要向司法國更清楚 |
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161.2 |
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163.2 |
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你去寫 |
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163.2 |
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164.2 |
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也沒有人限制你 |
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164.2 |
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但有一個問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
167.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
本席真的發現一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
167.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
171.2 |
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假設大家都考上司法官 |
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175.2 |
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我們先去候補世俗 |
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175.2 |
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178.2 |
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到最後這樣一個一個起來後 |
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181.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
假設我這個判決給我的話 |
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181.2 |
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183.2 |
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我寫十頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
183.2 |
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185.2 |
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我們大家都寫十頁 |
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187.2 |
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黃柏信法官 |
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| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
190.2 |
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你敢讓他寫三頁 |
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190.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
193.2 |
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高秘書長你如果都做法官 |
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196.2 |
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你說我寫兩頁你敢嗎 |
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196.2 |
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199.2 |
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有法律授權都可以你得 |
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199.2 |
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201.2 |
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但重點是你們那個文化 |
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203.2 |
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我們三個都當法官的 |
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203.2 |
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204.2 |
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我們會怕 |
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204.2 |
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206.2 |
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我這樣寫下去後 |
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208.2 |
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黃柏信說裝得最差十頁 |
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210.2 |
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我敢寫三頁就好 |
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211.2 |
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高秘書長你會覺得 |
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211.2 |
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213.2 |
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我寫一頁就可以了 |
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214.2 |
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敢不可以 |
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214.2 |
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215.2 |
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你第一個你們這個文化 |
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215.2 |
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217.2 |
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就是說我這樣寫的人 |
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217.2 |
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220.2 |
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我到最後會不會被人家講說 |
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221.2 |
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第一個我偷懶 |
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221.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
224.2 |
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或者說你們內部有考核 |
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224.2 |
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227.2 |
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還有維持率的問題 |
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227.2 |
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228.2 |
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所以說你這個文化 |
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228.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
230.2 |
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沒有去改變的話 |
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| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
232.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
所以我聽了你們兩個的對話 |
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232.2 |
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235.2 |
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我會認為很有價值的地方就是說 |
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235.2 |
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238.2 |
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這就是說你們內部如果法官 |
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238.2 |
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241.2 |
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這個自己本身那個心魔 |
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241.2 |
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242.2 |
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沒有拿掉的話 |
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| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
245.2 |
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我看你這個要推動都很困難 |
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245.2 |
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249.2 |
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不然不會講了三十幾年的制度了 |
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250.2 |
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大家一直在講減壓 |
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250.2 |
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252.2 |
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我覺得核心問題 |
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252.2 |
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254.2 |
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我想許廷長你也很清楚 |
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256.2 |
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你做到聽到我跟秘書長 |
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256.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
258.2 |
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你都為了記載這樣起來後 |
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258.2 |
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259.2 |
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你也煩惱後 |
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262.2 |
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我這樣寫下去 |
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262.2 |
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264.2 |
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你會擔心到的說 |
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264.2 |
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266.2 |
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那個法務部檢察官 |
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266.2 |
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268.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
沒有尊重我們 |
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268.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
269.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
輕忽你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
269.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
272.2 |
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你就這樣有這個牢騷 |
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272.2 |
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274.2 |
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有這個苦水會跑出來 |
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274.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
276.2 |
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所以說現在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
278.2 |
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我們說要把這個六個月的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
280.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
你說要做兩年 |
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280.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
284.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
所以減壓的我告訴法務部跟司法院 |
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284.2 |
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286.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
司法法制委員會就是立法院 |
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288.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
哪有對這件事不給我們支持 |
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288.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
291.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
這司改了哪一次沒有去支持的 |
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291.2 |
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294.2 |
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立法院會吵吵鬧鬧 |
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294.2 |
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295.2 |
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會有啊 |
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296.2 |
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又有政治嘛 |
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299.2 |
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可是政政你制度要去往前走的 |
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299.2 |
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301.2 |
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我看不管誰執政 |
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303.2 |
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在立法院大家是給你們支持的 |
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303.2 |
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304.2 |
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所以這個問題出在哪裡 |
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304.2 |
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306.2 |
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出在你們內部 |
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306.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
309.2 |
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我不知道秘書長你的看法是怎麼樣 |
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309.2 |
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311.2 |
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不要說一個制度下去後 |
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| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
314.2 |
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反而外界跟你們說偷懶 |
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314.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
315.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
你也不用怕人家說偷懶 |
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315.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
316.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
哪有偷懶 |
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| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
318.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
立法院哪有法律的明文規定 |
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318.2 |
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319.2 |
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這樣就可以 |
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319.2 |
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321.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
也沒有人強制說你一定要去簡化 |
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321.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
323.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
複雜的問題 |
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323.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
325.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
社會高度正義的問題 |
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325.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
326.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
你本來就是個好 |
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326.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
328.2 |
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可以給他交代清楚的 |
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328.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
331.2 |
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所以我都覺得是出在你們內部考核的問題 |
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331.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
333.2 |
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考核你們怕人家說 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
333.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
335.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
第二怕維持率的問題 |
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335.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
337.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
我醫生我們一個法官每次寫一寫 |
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337.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
339.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
我都把它檢視判決寫完以後 |
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339.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
341.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
我到二審全部都被撤銷 |
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341.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
344.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
醫後也沒人敢這樣寫 |
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344.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
348.2 |
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所以秘書長你的看法是怎樣 |
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348.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
351.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
其實委員知道重點 |
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| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
356.2 |
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一位法官他對自己要求就很高 |
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360.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
當我們法律規定他要寫判決的時候 |
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360.2 |
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362.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
沒有錯310之一 |
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362.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
364.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
他可以簡化 |
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364.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
367.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
可是在簡化的論述中 |
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367.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
370.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
他對於自我要求 |
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370.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
372.2 |
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他會闡述的很清楚 |
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372.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
375.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
其實這個就是為什麼310之一 |
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375.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
378.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
就像剛剛委員所說的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
380.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
從民國幾年到現在 |
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380.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
382.2 |
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司法院也一直鼓勵 |
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382.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
384.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
一直鼓勵 |
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384.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
386.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
為什麼沒辦法發揮 |
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386.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
389.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
一定的讓法官減壓的效用 |
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390.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
394.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
所以我們為什麼會有310之二 |
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394.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
396.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
這次希望能夠提出來 |
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396.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
399.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
就是說我們對於這種 |
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399.2 |
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401.2 |
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真實性很低的判決 |
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401.2 |
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403.2 |
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是不是讓法官 |
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403.2 |
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406.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
他就寫清楚犯罪事實 |
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406.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
407.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
跟犯罪法條 |
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407.2 |
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411.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
真的一位法官他自我要求 |
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411.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
415.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
絕大部分法官自我要求太高了 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
415.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
417.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
同儕之間的議論 |
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417.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
419.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
他也會聽在耳朵裡面 |
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419.2 |
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422.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
所以我們必須要釜底酬刑 |
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422.2 |
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424.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
因為310之一 |
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424.2 |
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426.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
真的如委員所說的 |
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426.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
428.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
民國幾年講到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
428.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
430.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
為什麼沒有發生效用 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
430.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
432.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
法官還在暗讀勞刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
432.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
433.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
還在寫判決 |
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433.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
435.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
花這麼多時間 |
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435.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
437.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
也是我們一直在檢討的 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
437.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
439.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
所以我們才說 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
439.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
444.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
從這個上訴率、維持率來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
444.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
446.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
我們是不是再找出一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
446.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
447.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
更好的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
447.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
450.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
讓法官他就把精神 |
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450.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
453.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
維持在議案裡面 |
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453.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
455.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
這個是我們這一次 |
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455.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
457.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
委員願意做這樣修法 |
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457.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
459.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
真的非常感謝 |
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459.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
461.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
是啦,你給我收 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
461.2 |
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464.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
你說一個判決你怎麼去檢閱 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
464.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
466.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
你到最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
466.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
468.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
你那個判決指紋你一定要有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
468.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
472.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
你也一定要交代一下犯罪事實 |
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472.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
473.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
你說這個犯罪事實 |
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473.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
475.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
我也一定要有見證 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
475.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
477.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
我法官也要跟你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
477.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
478.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
對你有利了為什麼不採 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
478.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
480.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
這都要講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
480.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
482.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
對於當事人權益的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
482.2 |
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484.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
但是你剛才說 |
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484.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
485.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
法務部 |
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485.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
488.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
現在說剪刀關輕忽 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
488.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
489.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
司法院法官的 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
489.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
492.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
你剛才的說法是說你們的什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
492.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
495.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
委員,我沒有說他輕忽 |
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495.2 |
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496.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
有啦,你剛才就這樣說 |
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496.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
497.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
法務部就不敢跟你吐槽 |
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497.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
499.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
我沒有講法務部輕忽 |
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499.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
501.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
我只是說 |
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501.2 |
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503.2 |
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我們講310之二 |
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503.2 |
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505.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
沒關係,你給他批評法務部剪刀關 |
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505.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
507.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
你應該批評他也要批評他 |
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507.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
510.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
人家說你不對人家批評你也應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
510.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
511.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
我沒有做這樣的批評 |
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511.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
513.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
你變不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
513.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
515.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
你舉個實例 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
515.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
519.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
你剛才講的你為什麼對檢察官你會認為 |
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519.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
523.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
我看你剛對檢察官也有一點抱怨 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
523.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
525.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
舉個實例好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
525.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
527.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
很清楚的實例讓社會知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
527.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
529.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
我對檢察官沒有抱怨 |
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529.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
531.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
我只是抱怨說 |
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531.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
534.2 |
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他們不同意我們310之二而已 |
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534.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
537.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
我沒有對檢察官抱怨 |
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537.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
539.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
你的意思就是在這個地方就對了 |
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539.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
543.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
其實我一直這樣感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
543.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
546.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
就是說我們這不是要全部去要求法官 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
546.2 |
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548.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
全部都強制你一定要去簡化 |
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548.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
549.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
沒有,也沒有 |
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549.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
551.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
就是說讓你 |
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551.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
553.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
有些都重複的 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
553.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
555.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
就是說你如果批評認罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
555.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
558.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
該存在的判決長成怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
558.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
560.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
還是不能免 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
560.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
562.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
但是有一個地方我必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
562.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
564.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
我覺得我簡單這樣講好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
564.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
566.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
你現在說宣誓判決筆錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
566.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
568.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
你可以去推 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
568.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
570.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
這個大家也覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
570.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
572.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
你要做一個簡化 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
572.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
575.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
但是你一個法官在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
575.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
577.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
你最主要要讓老百姓知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
577.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
580.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
被判刑的人說我是怎麼去用罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
580.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
583.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
這個我覺得這個很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
583.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
585.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
你現在是把它你這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
585.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
588.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
我認為我們都可以來做一個支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
588.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
590.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
其實主要是沒有爭議的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
590.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
592.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
你說叫法官浪費一大堆時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
592.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
594.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
再寫一大本的一個判決書 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
594.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
596.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
這個也很奇怪 |
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596.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
600.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
但是讓一個法官的判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
600.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
603.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
讓被告就知道說你為什麼判我 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
603.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
604.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
這個是一個好事 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
604.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
607.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
但是我還有一個問題要去提問的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
607.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
610.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
我覺得比較重要的是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
610.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
612.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
你不如現在 |
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612.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
616.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
你去把我們現在的範例給老百姓看 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
616.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
618.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
你不要判決書寫成這樣 |
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618.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
620.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
我如果變成 |
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620.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
622.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
我如果變成要簡化之後 |
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622.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
624.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
我會寫成怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
624.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
626.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
兩個來做比較 |
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626.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
628.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
有一個比較組 |
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628.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
630.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
知道我們議會要怎麼演變 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
630.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
632.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
不要像你現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
632.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
634.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
大家在這裡對話 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
634.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
636.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
其實我覺得你剛才我的感受 |
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636.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
638.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
你是有點院檢察官 |
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638.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
640.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
你現在說沒有也好事 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
640.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
642.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
代表經過休息五分鐘 |
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642.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
644.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
你們有溝通或者這個心悔神靈 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
644.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
646.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
大家都有意感受到 |
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646.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
648.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
意思其實是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
648.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
649.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
這也很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
649.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
651.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
但是你簡化完以後就是說 |
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651.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
653.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
你去寫一份現在的 |
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653.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
655.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
給我簡化之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
655.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
657.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
讓老百姓知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
657.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
658.2 |
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你又來這個判決書 |
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658.2 |
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660.2 |
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我省掉哪一些 |
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660.2 |
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662.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
第一個我省掉哪一些 |
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662.2 |
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664.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
哪一些呢 |
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664.2 |
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666.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
哪一些可以省 |
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666.2 |
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668.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
如果被告我不服的話 |
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668.2 |
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670.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
我可以這樣 |
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670.2 |
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672.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
我可以怎麼要求 |
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672.2 |
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674.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
我省掉一個判決書 |
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674.2 |
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676.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
我要上訴 |
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676.2 |
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678.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
我要怎樣 |
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678.2 |
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680.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
我覺得兩份來做一個比較 |
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680.2 |
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682.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
會長成什麼 |
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682.2 |
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684.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
比現在我們光文字 |
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684.2 |
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686.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
條文這樣來做 |
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686.2 |
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688.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
大家在這個地方討論 |
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688.2 |
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690.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
會更有意義 |
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690.2 |
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692.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
我不知道你的意見是怎樣 |
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692.2 |
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694.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
宣誓判決的譬如我這次要判決 |
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694.2 |
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696.2 |
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這樣好很好 |
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696.2 |
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698.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
我現在判決我現在是怎樣 |
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698.2 |
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700.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
我改革過後 |
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700.2 |
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702.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
判決書也寫這案狀 |
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702.2 |
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704.2 |
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這個很合理吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
704.2 |
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706.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
跟委員報告 |
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706.2 |
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708.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
因為我們現在的判決 |
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708.2 |
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710.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
對於被告的證據 |
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710.2 |
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712.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
那一段論述 |
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712.2 |
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714.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
會寫很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
714.2 |
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716.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
我們現在將來宣誓判決筆錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
716.2 |
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718.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
他能夠這樣做第一個 |
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718.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
720.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
一定要被告認罪 |
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720.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
722.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
然後一定有是三年以下刑期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
722.2 |
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724.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
然後宣誓判決 |
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724.2 |
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726.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
犯罪事實一定要寫清楚 |
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726.2 |
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728.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
因為這會跟 |
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728.2 |
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730.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
有關 |
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730.2 |
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732.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
因為他認罪 |
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732.2 |
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734.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
所以在過來就是他的 |
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734.2 |
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736.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
犯罪法條要清楚 |
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736.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
738.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
其實 |
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738.2 |
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740.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
市長 |
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740.2 |
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742.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
請黃市長講一下你的看法 |
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742.2 |
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744.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
這個好事 |
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744.2 |
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746.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
我覺得把大家不同的看法 |
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746.2 |
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748.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
跟擔憂拿出來講非常好 |
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748.2 |
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750.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
各位報告 |
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750.2 |
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752.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
現在的判決 |
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752.2 |
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754.2 |
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現在是要擴張到 |
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754.2 |
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756.2 |
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最重五年以上的這種 |
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756.2 |
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758.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
重罪與外的罪 |
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758.2 |
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760.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
除了最輕本刑五年以上 |
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760.2 |
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762.2 |
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這些重罪不是用出來 |
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762.2 |
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764.2 |
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其他的所有犯罪 |
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764.2 |
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766.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
都要用這個 |
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766.2 |
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768.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
筆錄來代替判決 |
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768.2 |
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770.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
所以我們幾乎所有很大宗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
770.2 |
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772.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
刑事案件裡面 |
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772.2 |
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774.2 |
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都有可能會再漏入這個 |
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774.2 |
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776.2 |
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用筆錄來代替判決的範圍 |
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776.2 |
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778.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
所以你的反論是怎樣 |
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778.2 |
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780.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
那會變成就是說 |
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780.2 |
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782.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
他這沒有判決書 |
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782.2 |
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784.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
他變成兩階段 |
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784.2 |
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786.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
有筆錄代替判決 |
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786.2 |
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788.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
那我講法官我不知道 |
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788.2 |
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790.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
該不該上訴他理由是什麼 |
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790.2 |
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792.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
其實我不是很清楚 |
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792.2 |
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794.2 |
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或者是被害人他要請求講法官上訴 |
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794.2 |
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796.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
被害人也不清楚 |
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796.2 |
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798.2 |
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所以只有當我們不服的時候 |
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798.2 |
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800.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
他再補送判決書 |
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800.2 |
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802.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
所以他還是兩階段的 |
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802.2 |
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804.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
在這個狀態在兩階段的 |
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804.2 |
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806.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
這兩階段反而更造成 |
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806.2 |
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808.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
我們實務上的一些反鎖 |
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808.2 |
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810.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
程序上的重複 |
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810.2 |
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812.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
一個司法改革裡面 |
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812.2 |
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814.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
涉及到 |
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814.2 |
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816.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
願跟檢 |
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816.2 |
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818.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
講法官政策犯罪 |
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818.2 |
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820.2 |
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法院來做實體的一個審判 |
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820.2 |
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822.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
你們現在你們兩個我看法部部長 |
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822.2 |
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824.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
跟司法院長你們看法不一樣 |
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824.2 |
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826.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
不一樣你說 |
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826.2 |
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828.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
我們要自己支持你方向 |
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828.2 |
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830.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
要走過去 |
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830.2 |
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832.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
所以我還是在講 |
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832.2 |
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834.2 |
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本來我以為只是檢 |
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834.2 |
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836.2 |
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司法院裡面內部的一個文化的問題 |
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836.2 |
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838.2 |
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就是說法律名文這樣授權給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
838.2 |
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840.2 |
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可以去簡化你不敢用 |
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840.2 |
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842.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
我看別人寫十頁我不敢寫三頁 |
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842.2 |
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844.2 |
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我不敢寫兩頁 |
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844.2 |
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846.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
因為涉及到考評 |
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846.2 |
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848.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
然後我如果真的這樣去寫下去了以後 |
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848.2 |
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850.2 |
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涉及到檢察官一看到說 |
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850.2 |
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852.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
你怎麼變這樣 |
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852.2 |
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854.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
我到底要上訴還是不上訴 |
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854.2 |
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856.2 |
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不如都上訴他要沒用嗎 |
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856.2 |
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858.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
變成你們內部文化的問題 |
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858.2 |
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860.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
司法院也有內部文化的問題 |
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860.2 |
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862.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
變成檢察官都說我無所遞從 |
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862.2 |
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864.2 |
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我無所適從我不知道要怎麼做 |
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864.2 |
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866.2 |
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我看法院不清不楚 |
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866.2 |
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868.2 |
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你的判決書沒有交代 |
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868.2 |
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870.2 |
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所以我最保險起見 |
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870.2 |
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872.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
我檢察官每一個案子你只要一下來我全部都上訴 |
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872.2 |
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874.2 |
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我們就達不到這樣的一個目的 |
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876.2 |
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878.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
你還搖頭 |
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878.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
880.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
你說的黃某信還搖頭 |
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880.2 |
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882.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
黃某信說的還搖頭 |
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882.2 |
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884.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
我說了你還搖頭這樣我們哪有共識 |
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884.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
886.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
請說 |
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886.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
888.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
其實這個 |
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888.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
890.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
判決筆錄 |
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890.2 |
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892.2 |
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犯罪事實一定是明確 |
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892.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
894.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
那一定有的嘛 |
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894.2 |
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896.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
那也要被告是認罪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
896.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
898.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
898.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
900.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
在整個審判程序中檢察官是參與的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
900.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
902.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
不是只有被告跟法官 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
902.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
904.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
檢察官是有參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
904.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
906.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
你對整個陳述的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
906.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
908.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
檢察官是知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
908.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
910.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
那現在檢察官的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
910.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
912.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
檢察官可能也要看就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
912.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
914.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
檢察官是有參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
914.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
916.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
但是他要知道說你這個判決書是怎麼做出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
916.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
918.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
所以說一定是檢察官起訴的犯罪事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
918.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
920.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
被告要認罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
920.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
922.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
做出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
922.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
924.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
所以說一定是檢察官起訴的犯罪事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
924.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
926.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
認罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
926.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
928.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
就這麼簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
928.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
930.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
你如果藤森什麼另外追加什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
930.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
932.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
不在檢察官起訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
932.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
934.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
檢察官會產生疑惑的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
934.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
936.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
不可能法官會做這種判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
936.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
938.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
黃市長又搖頭了 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
938.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
940.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
黃市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
940.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
942.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
這個檢視判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
942.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
944.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
我們現在事實上規定是有罪前提沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
944.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
946.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
但是他不需要經過當事人的同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
946.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
948.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
換句話說法官他可以在 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
948.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
950.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
檢察官不同意狀態下 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
950.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
952.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
被告認罪他可以下檢視判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
952.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
954.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
暫時免寫判決的狀況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
954.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
956.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
檢察官他也許不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
956.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
958.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
做檢視那我就上訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
958.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
960.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
我就先上訴再說 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
960.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
962.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
因為我看不到判決書 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
962.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
964.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
會有這個狀況產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
964.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
966.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
因為他不需要檢察官當事人的同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
966.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
968.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
他跟協商判決不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
968.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
970.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
協商判決基本上是雙方當事人同意了 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
970.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
972.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
經過協商那是檢察官同意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
972.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
974.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
檢視判決本身不需要檢察官同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
974.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
976.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
法官就直接下檢視判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
976.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
978.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
978.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
980.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
980.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
982.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
982.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
984.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
我時間到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
984.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
986.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
我們要跟你們一起辭了 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
986.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
988.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
現在問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
988.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
990.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
你事後現在跟法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
990.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
992.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
跟你們的意見分歧 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
992.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
994.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
可是跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
994.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
996.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
委員也很了解在刑事案件裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
996.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
998.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
哪些是小案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
998.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
1000.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
小案件的部分我們還是在寫判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
1000.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
1002.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
其實剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
1002.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
1004.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
次長講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
1004.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
1006.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
其實對一個稍微複雜的法官 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
1006.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
1008.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
要用這個可能性會很低 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
1008.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
1010.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
我們現在來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
1010.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
1012.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
其實我們大部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
1012.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
1014.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
那個刑事案件小案件占很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
1014.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
1016.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
我們從上訴率來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
1016.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
1018.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
就可以知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
1018.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
1020.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
其實我們只是要檢審 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
1020.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
1022.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
被告認罪犯罪事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
1022.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
1024.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
可以說將來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
1024.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
1026.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
他的發展他絕對不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
1026.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
1028.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
1028.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
1030.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
稍微複雜的犯罪事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
1030.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
1032.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
都不可能一定是簡單的 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
1032.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
1034.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
犯罪事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
1034.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
1036.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
你還在講的時候在闡述你的看法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
1036.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
1038.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
黃次長也搖頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
1038.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
1040.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
搖頭就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
1040.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
1042.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
不是說他完全把你否定 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
1042.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
1044.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
他有他的一個擔憂存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
1044.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
1046.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
立法院是一個民意機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
1046.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
1048.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
立法院其實我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
1048.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
1050.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
你們司法改革方向我們去做支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
1050.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
1052.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
可是以司法院跟法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
1052.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
1054.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
這樣的一個對話 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
1054.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
1056.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
互相沒有辦法達到一個共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
1056.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
1058.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
情況之下哪怕是一個被告 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
1058.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
1060.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
被告不是只有他的人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
1060.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
1062.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
而已喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
1062.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
1064.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
外面廠長還有一個叫做告訴人 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
1064.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
1066.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
當涉及到人民權益的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
1066.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
1068.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
我們立法機關也擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
1068.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
1070.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
當事人的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
1070.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
1072.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
或者說一般老百姓的權益受損 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
1072.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
1074.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
所以你們說好他就來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
1074.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
1076.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
OK好謝謝 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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|
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2026-08-19T11:32:11.200000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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1 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-08-19T11:32:11.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
|
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2026-08-19T11:32:13.218182+08:00 |
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有請我們司法院高秘書長。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-08-19T11:32:13.571429+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:32:14.428571+08:00 |
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有請高秘書長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-08-19T11:32:14.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-08-19T11:32:16.350000+08:00 |
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還有刑事廳許廳長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-08-19T11:32:16.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-08-19T11:32:17.240000+08:00 |
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請許廳長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-08-19T11:32:17.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-08-19T11:32:19.150000+08:00 |
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法務部黃次長。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-08-19T11:32:20.900000+08:00 |
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請黃次長。 |
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0.75 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-08-19T11:32:24.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
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秘書長好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-08-19T11:32:25.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:33:20.033333+08:00 |
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我看剛剛沈發惠委員的質詢很精彩，司法院跟法務部各自講出自己的看法還有擔憂，其實都是好事，高秘書長有一個好處，就是輩分高，而且在講一些民眾聽得懂的話，這個是好事，我看你們的對話裡面，其實我發現問題的爭點在什麼地方，你看以這一次我們說要讓司法官減壓，其實要讓民眾很清楚地了解我們簡化的是判決書，不是在簡化品質，我們要減少的是這些文書，不是要減少老百姓的權利，這個如果定調清楚的話，我會覺得你跟黃次長大家的想法其實都是一致的。 |
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0.923 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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本席發現比較奇怪的一個現象是，我們一直在說法官過勞，覺得案件太多、判決書怎麼寫都寫不完，其實在刑事訴訟法第三百十條之一，我看1990年的時候，那個時候就已經針對部分的案件，本來就可以簡化判決書。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:33:50.533333+08:00 |
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在2004年的時候，再去簡化，證據原則上連內容都不用全部重寫，證據名稱寫一寫都可以，我看2017年的司改國是會議，到最後你們編了這一本書，我今天還特地把這本書拿來，叫做「裁判書類簡化及通俗化推動要覽」，針對2017年司改國是會議，你們最後編了一本書，我是覺得很可惜，這個制度講了三十幾年，本來你們就是可以簡化，也不是強制法官簡化，法律的問題很複雜，有關社會高度爭議的，或者法官認為相關法律見解要寫得更清楚一點的，就去寫，沒有人限制你，但有一個問題，本席真的發現一個問題，就是假設大家都考上司法官，我們先去候補、試署，到最後才成為正式法官，假設這個判決拿給我們，大家都寫10頁，黃謀信法官，你好意思寫3頁？ |
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| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:35:12.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:35:16.866667+08:00 |
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高秘書長，我們都是法官，你說：不然我寫2頁。 |
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0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:35:17.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:35:17.866667+08:00 |
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你敢嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:35:18.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:35:25.950000+08:00 |
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其實有法律授權都可以，但重點在「得」，以你們的那個文化來看，我們三個都是當法官的，我們會怕啊！ |
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| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:35:28.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:35:31.914286+08:00 |
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黃謀信說：莊瑞雄寫10頁，我寫3頁好嗎？ |
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0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-08-19T11:35:32.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:35:34.700000+08:00 |
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高秘書長，你會覺得寫1頁就可以嗎？ |
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0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:35:35.700000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:35:35.950000+08:00 |
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可以嗎？ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-08-19T11:35:36.300000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:36:12.075000+08:00 |
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第一個，以你們的文化來講，這樣寫的人，到最後會不會被人家講說，第一，偷懶；再者，你們內部有考核，還有維持率的問題，如果這個文化沒有改變，我聽了你們兩個的對話，我會認為很有價值的地方，就是如果你們內部法官自己的心魔沒有拿掉，我看要推動這個是很困難，不然不會講了三十幾年的制度，大家一直在講減壓。 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-08-19T11:36:12.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:36:35.977778+08:00 |
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我想核心問題許廳長也很清楚，你們都是從基層上來做到廳長、秘書長，你們也煩惱這樣的判決寫下去之後，擔心法務部、檢察官沒有尊重你們、會輕忽你們，就會有這樣的牢騷、苦水跑出來。 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:36:37.400000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:36:52.046154+08:00 |
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現在要把六個月改為兩年，這樣可以減壓，我要告訴法務部跟司法院，司法及法制委員會，尤其立法院，有哪一次沒有支持你們？ |
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0.745 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:36:52.046154+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-19T11:36:53.200000+08:00 |
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司改的部分，有哪一次沒有支持的？ |
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0.214 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:36:53.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:36:56.866667+08:00 |
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立法院吵吵鬧鬧，有啊！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-08-19T11:36:57.400000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:36:58+08:00 |
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因為有政治嘛！ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-08-19T11:36:58.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:37:06.100000+08:00 |
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可是真正制度要往前走的，我看不管誰執政，在立法院大家都是給你們支持的，所以問題出在哪裡？ |
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0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-08-19T11:37:06.200000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-08-19T11:37:07.866667+08:00 |
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出在你們內部。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-08-19T11:37:08.200000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-08-19T11:37:10.200000+08:00 |
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我不知道秘書長的看法如何？ |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:37:11.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:37:17.100000+08:00 |
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不要說一個制度下去之後，擔心外界會說你們偷懶，你也不用怕人家說你偷懶啊！ |
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0.788 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-08-19T11:37:17.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:37:17.950000+08:00 |
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哪有偷懶？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-08-19T11:37:18.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:37:45.866667+08:00 |
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立法院的法律明文規定這樣就可以，也沒有人強制你一定要簡化，複雜的問題、社會高度爭議的問題，本來就應該要好好交代清楚，所以我覺得問題出在你們內部考核上，第一，你們怕人家說；第二，怕維持率的問題，一審法官簡式判決寫完以後，到二審全部被撤銷，以後也就沒人敢這樣寫，你知不知道？ |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-08-19T11:37:46.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-08-19T11:37:48.866667+08:00 |
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所以秘書長，你的看法如何？ |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-08-19T11:37:50.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:38:49+08:00 |
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其實委員指到重點，法官本來對自己的要求就很高，當法律規定他要寫判決的時候，沒有錯，依據第三百十條之一規定，他可以簡化，可是在簡化論述中，因為對自我的要求，他會闡述得很清楚，這也是為什麼第三百十條之一，就像委員剛剛說的，從民國幾年推到現在，司法院也一直鼓勵、一直鼓勵，但就沒辦法發揮一定的讓法官減壓的效用，所以我們在這次提出第三百十條之二，希望針對爭執性很低的判決，是不是就讓法官寫清楚犯罪事實跟犯罪法條？ |
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0.766 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T11:38:49.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:39:03.381818+08:00 |
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真的，法官的自我要求，絕大部分的法官自我要求太高，同儕之間的議論他也會聽在耳裡，所以我們必須釜底抽薪。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-08-19T11:39:05.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:39:11.977778+08:00 |
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第三百十條之一條文真的如委員所說的，從民國幾年講到現在，為什麼沒有發生效用？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.771 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-08-19T11:39:12.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:39:34.771429+08:00 |
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法官還在案牘勞形，還在花這麼多時間寫判決，這也是我們一直在檢討的，所以我們才說從上訴維持率來看，是不是可以再找出一個更好的方法，讓法官把精神維持在一案裡面？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.861 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-08-19T11:39:35.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:39:41.533333+08:00 |
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對於這次委員願意這樣修法，我們真的非常感謝。是啦！ |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-08-19T11:39:41.866667+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:40:03.200000+08:00 |
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你想一下，一個判決要如何簡略，到最後判決主文還是一定要有，也一定要交代犯罪事實，而這些犯罪事實也一定要有證據，然後法官也要跟當事人說明為何對你有利的不採認，這都要講清楚，因為攸關當事人權益。 |
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| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-08-19T11:40:04.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:40:13.969231+08:00 |
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但是你剛才說法務部，現在說檢察官輕忽，你剛才的說法是你們什麼…… |
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0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-08-19T11:40:14.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:40:17.311111+08:00 |
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委員，我沒有說他輕忽喔！有啦！ |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-08-19T11:40:17.422222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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2026-08-19T11:40:19.100000+08:00 |
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你剛才就是這樣說，所以黃謀信才會吐槽你。 |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-08-19T11:40:19.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:40:24.800000+08:00 |
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沒有，我沒有講法務部輕忽，我只是說第三百十條之二，現在講之二…… |
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0.593 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-08-19T11:40:25.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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2026-08-19T11:40:28.836364+08:00 |
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沒關係，你批評法務部檢察官，應該批評時也要批評…… |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-08-19T11:40:28.836364+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-19T11:40:29.836364+08:00 |
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沒有啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-08-19T11:40:29.018182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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2026-08-19T11:40:31.985714+08:00 |
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他如果覺得你們不對，批評你們也應該啊！ |
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0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-08-19T11:40:32.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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2026-08-19T11:40:33.088889+08:00 |
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可是我沒有做這樣的批評。 |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-08-19T11:40:33.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-08-19T11:40:34.700000+08:00 |
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你變沒有了？好啦！ |
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0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-08-19T11:40:35.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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2026-08-19T11:40:46.914286+08:00 |
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那你舉個實例，你剛才講的，我看你對檢察官好像有一點抱怨，舉個實例好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-08-19T11:40:47.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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2026-08-19T11:40:49.018182+08:00 |
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很清楚的實例，讓社會知道。 |
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高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T11:40:49.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:40:58.866667+08:00 |
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我對檢察官沒有抱怨，我只是抱怨他們不同意第三百十條之二而已，我對檢察官沒有抱怨喔！喔！ |
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0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:40:59.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:41:01.057143+08:00 |
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你的意思是在這個地方就對了！ |
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1 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:41:01.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:41:10.400000+08:00 |
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其實我一直這樣覺得，我們這個不是強制要求法官一定要全部簡化，沒有！ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:41:11.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:41:44.900000+08:00 |
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就是有一些重複的可以簡化；或是如果被告認罪，那個判決該存在什麼樣子，還是不能免，但是有一個地方我必須簡單這樣講，就是現在你說的宣示判決筆錄，這你可以去推，大家也覺得要簡化，但是這個判決裡面，最主要是要讓老百姓、被判刑的人知道為什麼被判刑，我覺得這個很重要。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:41:45.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:42:06.057143+08:00 |
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你們現在這個方向，我可以支持，尤其是一些沒有爭議的案件，不然你叫法官浪費一大堆時間寫一大本判決書，這也很奇怪，但是一個法官的判決，讓被告知道為什麼被判刑，這是一個好事。 |
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| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:42:06.552941+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:43:02.644444+08:00 |
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另外，我還有一個問題提問，就是你們不如把現在的範例給老百姓看，告訴他們現在的判決書長這樣，將來簡化後，會長成什麼樣子，兩相比較，有一個比較組，知道以後會怎麼演變，這樣就不用像現在大家在這裡對話，你說一說後，我的感受是覺得你剛才說的有點在怨檢察官，但你說沒有，我想這是好事，代表經過休息5分鐘後，你們有溝通，或者大家心領神會，都有感受到彼此的意思其實是一樣的，這也很好，所以在你簡化以後，希望拿一份簡化後的範本讓老百姓對照，知道未來的判決書會省掉哪些，這是第一個。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:43:08.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:43:19.200000+08:00 |
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再來，如果被告不服，可以如何要求比較完整的判決書；如果要上訴，又該怎麼辦？ |
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0.531 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:43:20.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:43:33.472727+08:00 |
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我覺得以這兩份來比較，比現在我們光用文字、條文在這裡討論會更有意義，不知道你的意見如何？ |
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0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:43:33.654545+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:43:45.866667+08:00 |
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就是這個宣示判決筆錄既然要推動，這樣很好，但現在的判決書是怎麼樣，改革之後、法律通過之後，以後的判決書會寫成什麼樣，這個很合理吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.362 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T11:43:46.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:44:11.200000+08:00 |
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對，跟委員報告，因為現在的判決書，對於被告的證據那段論述會寫很多，將來宣示判決筆錄他能夠這樣做，第一個一定要被告認罪，其次一定是三年以下刑期，然後宣示判決犯罪事實一定要寫清楚，因為這跟既判力有關。 |
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0.899 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T11:44:12.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:44:19.200000+08:00 |
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再者，因為他認罪了，所以再過來就是他的犯罪法條要清楚，其實…… |
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0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:44:21.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:44:24.018182+08:00 |
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等一下，我看黃謀信次長一直在搖頭，請黃次長也講一下你的看法。 |
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0.407 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:44:24.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:44:30+08:00 |
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其實這是好事，我覺得把大家不同的看法跟擔憂拿出來講非常好啦！ |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
黃次長謀信 |
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2026-08-19T11:44:30.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:44:58.018182+08:00 |
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跟各位報告，現在簡式判決是要擴張到五年以上重罪以外的罪，除了最輕本刑五年以上這些重罪不適用之外，其他所有犯罪都要用筆錄來代替判決，所以幾乎所有很大宗的刑事案件都有可能會落入用筆錄來代替判決的範圍。 |
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0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:44:58.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:44:59.977778+08:00 |
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所以你的擔心是怎麼樣？ |
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0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
黃次長謀信 |
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2026-08-19T11:45:00.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:45:23.977778+08:00 |
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那會因為沒有判決書，所以會變成兩階段，第一階段是只有筆錄代替判決，而檢察官不知道該不該上訴，因為理由是什麼其實他不是很清楚，或者是被害人要請求檢察官上訴，被害人也不清楚，只有當我們不服的時候，他再補送判決書，所以它是兩階段的。 |
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0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
黃次長謀信 |
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2026-08-19T11:45:24.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:45:31.866667+08:00 |
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在這個狀態下是兩階段的，所以我們在講兩階段反而更造成我們實務上的一些繁瑣、程序上的重複。 |
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0.756 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:45:31.866667+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:45:32.866667+08:00 |
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這樣很麻煩耶！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:45:32.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:45:46.033333+08:00 |
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一個司法改革裡面涉及到院跟檢，檢察官偵查犯罪，法院做實體審判，我看現在法務部代表跟司法院代表的看法不一樣啊！ |
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0.72 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:45:48.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:45:51.700000+08:00 |
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在這種情況下，即使我們支持你，但你們的方向要走到哪裡去？ |
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0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:45:54.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:07.914286+08:00 |
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本來我以為只是司法院內部文化的問題，就是說法律明文授權給你可以去簡化，但是你不敢用，我看別人寫10頁，所以我不敢寫3頁、我不敢寫2頁，因為涉及到考評。 |
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| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:08.450000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:13.866667+08:00 |
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我如果真的這樣寫下去以後，檢察官一看到會說怎麼變成這樣？ |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-08-19T11:46:14.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:16.018182+08:00 |
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我到底要不要上訴？ |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:16.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:29.977778+08:00 |
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不如我都上訴，這樣以後不會被罵，最後就變成你們內部文化的問題，司法院也有內部文化的問題，變成檢察官都說我無所適從，我不知道該怎麼辦，我看一看還是不清不楚，你的判決書沒有交代啊！ |
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0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:31.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:36.046154+08:00 |
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為求保險起見，案子只要一下來，檢察官就全部都上訴，這樣一來我們就達不到這樣的目的啦！ |
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0.711 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:39.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:46.066667+08:00 |
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現在高秘書長又在搖頭，你說的時候黃謀信在搖頭，黃謀信講完換你搖頭，我講完你也搖頭，這樣我們哪會有共識？ |
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0.543 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:46.066667+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:48.200000+08:00 |
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現在該怎麼辦，請說。 |
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0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:48.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:53.977778+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，其實判決筆錄犯罪事實一定是明確的。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:54.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:55.866667+08:00 |
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那一定有的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:55.866667+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:56.866667+08:00 |
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一定有嘛！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T11:46:56.422222+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:47:02.075000+08:00 |
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而且也要被告是認罪的，然後在整個審判程序中，檢察官是參與的喔！ |
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0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T11:47:02.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:47:05.914286+08:00 |
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不是只有被告跟法官，檢察官是有參與的啊！ |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T11:47:06.422222+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:47:09.914286+08:00 |
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對於整個陳述的內容，檢察官是知道的啊！ |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:47:10.644444+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:47:18.100000+08:00 |
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站在檢察官的立場，檢察官可能也要看……就是說雖然檢察官有參與，但是他要知道判決書是怎麼做出來的啦！ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T11:47:18.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:47:38.018182+08:00 |
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所以說一定是檢察官起訴的犯罪事實，被告要認罪，就這麼簡單，你如果橫生枝節、另外追加不在檢察官起訴的範圍，檢察官會產生疑惑的時候，不可能法官會做這種判決。 |
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0.899 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:47:38.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:47:41.533333+08:00 |
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糟糕，黃次長又搖頭了，請黃次長說明。 |
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0.533 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
黃次長謀信 |
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2026-08-19T11:47:43.533333+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:48:03.977778+08:00 |
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簡式判決現在刑訴法規定是以有罪為前提沒有錯，但是它不需要經過當事人的同意，換句話說，法官可以在檢察官不同意的狀況下，被告認罪他就可以下簡式判決，在簡式判決連動到暫時免寫判決的狀況之下，檢察官也許不同意做簡式，那他就會上訴，他就先上訴再說嘛，因為他看不到判決書啊！ |
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0.76 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
黃次長謀信 |
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2026-08-19T11:48:04.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:48:18+08:00 |
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會有這個狀況產生，因為它不需要檢察官、當事人的同意，它跟協商判決不一樣，協商判決基本上是雙方當事人同意了，經過協商，那是檢察官同意，但簡式判決本身不需要檢察官同意，法官就直接下簡式判決了。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:48:18.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:48:19.533333+08:00 |
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秘書長…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T11:48:20.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:48:23.800000+08:00 |
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其實跟委員報告…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:48:23.800000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-19T11:48:26.200000+08:00 |
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我的時間也到了，這樣我要怎麼支持你們？ |
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0.294 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:48:26.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:48:33.950000+08:00 |
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司法改革我們都很支持你們，現在的問題在於司法院跟法務部的意見分歧。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.581 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T11:48:34.771429+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:48:50+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，相信委員也很了解在刑事案件裡面哪些是小案件，小案件的部分我們還是在寫判決，就像剛剛次長講的，其實對於稍微複雜的，法官用這個的可能性會很低。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
高秘書長金枝 |
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2026-08-19T11:48:50.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:49:15.700000+08:00 |
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我們現在來看，其實在大部分的刑事案件當中，小案件占很多，我們從上訴率來看就可以知道，其實我們只是要減省被告認罪……犯罪事實可以說將來看它的發展，它絕對連稍微複雜的犯罪事實都不可能，一定是簡單的犯罪事實。 |
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0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:49:16.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:49:19.866667+08:00 |
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秘書長，這樣我聽懂了，你在闡述你的看法的時候，黃次長也搖頭啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.63 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-08-19T11:49:20.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:49:26+08:00 |
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搖頭並不是說他完全把你否定，而是他有他的擔憂存在。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-08-19T11:49:26.200000+08:00 |
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2026-08-19T11:49:57.800000+08:00 |
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立法院是一個民意機關，其實你們司法改革的方向我們都支持，可是以司法院跟法務部這樣的對話，在互相沒有辦法達到共識的情況之下，哪怕是一個被告，被告不是只有他的人權而已，外面常常還有一個叫做告訴人，這樣涉及到人民權益的時候，我們立法機關也擔心當事人的權益，或者說一般老百姓的權益受損，所以你們說好再來好不好？謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-08-19T11:49:58.300000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-19T11:49:59.728571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
謝謝莊委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-08-19T11:50:00.028571+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-19T11:50:08.885714+08:00 |
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看起來就是司法院跟法務部好像很難談好，建議要不然就提出A版、B版吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-08-19T11:50:09.185714+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-19T11:50:24.328571+08:00 |
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如果是這樣的話，至少在司委會對於各種不同的法案，我們就可以加速推進，希望在下個會期之前一定要能夠看得到兩院的版本。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-08-19T11:50:24.628571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-19T11:50:26.628571+08:00 |
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今天送出去了，好。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-08-19T11:50:26.928571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-19T11:50:36.928571+08:00 |
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我們先處理會議時間，上午會議時間繼續進行到所有登記發言委員都詢答結束為止。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-08-19T11:50:37.228571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
1 |
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2026-08-19T11:50:41.228571+08:00 |
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接下來有請王世堅委員進行詢答。 |
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0 |