| IVOD_ID |
171041 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171041 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第30次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
30 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第30次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-19T09:57:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-19T10:09:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0db75461a96d9b80e1503cfbef2725d9620aa717d8f04ad12e299b5f02c25717bdd561b1fcf353985ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃建賓 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:57:47 - 10:09:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第30次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍、僑務委員會委員長徐佳青報告「外交與僑務協同培育青年國際視野之執行成效與多語布局」，並備質詢。） |
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0 |
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2.8 |
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謝謝主席 我們有請林佳龍 林部長 |
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2.8 |
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4.8 |
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請林部長 |
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10.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
11.8 |
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委員好 |
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12 |
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13.8 |
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國立委員長 早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
13.8 |
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15.8 |
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部長先跟你說一聲辛苦了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
15.8 |
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17.8 |
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不會 要解決的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
17.8 |
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19.8 |
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國立委員長最近很忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
19.8 |
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21.3 |
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身為外交部長 |
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21.3 |
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23.3 |
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你平常只要處理國際的情事 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
23.3 |
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25.3 |
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台美關係 台日關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
25.3 |
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26.3 |
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然後最近看起來 |
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26.3 |
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28.3 |
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部長你有工作又多一個任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
28.3 |
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30.3 |
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就是週末要在跑地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
30.3 |
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32.3 |
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那幫忙輔選 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
32.3 |
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34.3 |
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我覺得這很辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
34.3 |
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35.3 |
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但是我要提醒部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
35.3 |
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36.3 |
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外交部長是一個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
36.3 |
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38.3 |
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非常重要的一個職務 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
38.3 |
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41.3 |
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那不是民進黨的這個競選總案室 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
41.3 |
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43.3 |
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我希望部長不要讓外界 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
43.3 |
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45.3 |
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產生一種印象就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
45.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
47.3 |
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選舉的數位會在外交工作之上 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
47.3 |
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49.3 |
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這部份部長是不是可以做得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
49.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
52.3 |
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好 我另以外交工作為重 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
52.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
53.3 |
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謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
53.3 |
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55.3 |
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部長 現在我要跟部長討論兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
55.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
57.3 |
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駐外管出的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
57.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
58.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
第一個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
58.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
60.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
最近新聞在播報 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
60.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
63.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
駐日內瓦辦事處處長李冠德 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
63.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
65.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
目前外界對李冠德有 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
65.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
68.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
霸凌下屬職場管理失當 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
68.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
72.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
濫用公帑甚至涉及超速等等的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
72.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
74.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
那我知道這個是屬於個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
74.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
75.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
個案的具體事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
75.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
77.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
外交部應該要依法調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
77.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
79.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
不能為省先判 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
79.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
81.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
但是我要請教部長的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
81.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
83.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
外交部對駐外管出主管的品德 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
83.3 |
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85.3 |
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管理能力以及紀律的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
85.3 |
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88.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
到底有沒有一套有效的監督機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
88.3 |
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91.3 |
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因為駐外的處長他代表不只是他個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
91.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
93.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
代表是中華民國的政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
93.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
96.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
那我們知道外交官在國外的一言一行 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
96.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
98.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
他都可能影響國家的形象 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
98.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
102.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
如果說一個主管在管內讓部署感受到霸凌 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
102.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
106.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
濫用公帑甚至還出現交通違規等等的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
106.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
107.3 |
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那麼外交部不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
107.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
111.3 |
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就只說說正在調查或是尊重程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
111.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
112.3 |
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這樣就來結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
114.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
所以本席要問的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
114.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
118.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
到底這一個事件我們調查查到了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
118.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
121.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
有沒有對相關人員進行訪談 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
121.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
125.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
那有沒有保護可能會受到不當對待的下屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
125.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
127.3 |
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那如果這個查證屬實 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
132.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
外交部會不會追究行政甚至是刑事的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
132.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
134.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
那更重要的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
134.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
135.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
我對你跟他報警公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
135.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
138.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
我們這駐外的管處不是誰的山頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
138.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
141.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
也不是哪一個主管到的國外就無法無天 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
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144.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
我希望外交部能夠把這件事情來查清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
144.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
146.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
那第二個部分部長待會一起回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
146.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
147.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
第二個部分就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
147.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
150.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
因為你之前一直強調台日關係良好 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
150.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
154.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
甚至你自己說只能在睡日本機場的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
154.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
158.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
你也豁達的表示說你自己覺得沒有很委屈 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
158.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
160.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
那我尊重部長你個人的修養 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
160.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
163.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
你自己睡機場你可以說沒關係不委屈 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
163.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
165.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
這是個人的選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
165.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
167.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
但今天問題來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
167.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
169.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
如果這個不是你自己睡哪裡的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
169.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
173.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
而是中華民國代表在國際場受到不合理的待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
173.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
177.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
這個就不是部長你覺得不委屈就算了 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
177.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
181.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
因為像這一次里昂代表參加長期原報和平紀念典禮 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
181.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
184.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
卻被安排在其他國家使節後方的位置 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
184.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
187.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
這個對我們來說就是矮化 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
187.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
191.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
那甚至事後日方還強硬的出面來表示說 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
191.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
195.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
是我們主動表達參加議運後 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
195.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
198.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
他們才同意讓我們出席 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
198.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
201.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
像這種日方打破外交默契 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
201.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
205.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
出面打臉的狀況在過去是非常非常的罕見 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
205.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
207.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
所以我也要請教部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
207.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
211.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
你過去跟我們說台日關係持續友好深化 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
211.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
215.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
沒有因為卓院長公開去日本東京看球賽 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
215.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
219.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
而遭到日本官員表達不滿受到這個影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
219.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
223.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
你睡機場也是因為行程的安排沒有感到委屈 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
223.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
227.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
那為什麼這次我方的代表受到這樣子的對待 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
227.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
229.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
我現在看到是另外一回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
229.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
232.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
如果說台日真的如您所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
232.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
234.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
依然這麼樣的穩固 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
234.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
237.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
那麼我們代表出席這麼重要的場合 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
237.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
240.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
為什麼會出現這樣子的安排 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
240.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
243.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
儘管說外交場合的座位 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
243.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
246.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
它的安排可能涉及到很多的因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
246.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
251.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
那我也不會單一用一個座位就判斷台日關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
251.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
253.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
但是本席想要問說 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
253.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
257.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
當台灣代表明顯被安排在相對後方的位置 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
257.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
260.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
外交部有沒有事先掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
260.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
264.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
那這件事情事件我方在表達立場之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
264.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
266.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
有沒有持續來交涉 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
266.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
268.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
那有沒有得到回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
268.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
270.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
得到的回應又是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
270.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
272.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
更重要的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
272.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
275.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
部長你自己可以覺得說睡機場沒有什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
275.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
277.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
那是因為你個人的感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
277.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
279.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
那如果今天中華民國的國歌 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
279.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
282.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
在國際的場合的尊嚴受到矮化 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
282.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
286.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
這個不是林佳龍個人覺得委不委屈的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
286.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
289.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
所以這個才是本席要提醒部長的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
289.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
292.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
因為外交的責任不能告訴人民說這沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
292.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
294.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
我們不覺得睡覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
294.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
295.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
因為外交的責任是 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
295.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
299.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
當國家代表受到不合理對待的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
299.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
302.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
就要站出來替國家爭取他應該有的尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
302.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
305.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
所以在這邊本席要請部長正面的回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
305.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
308.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
你口中的台日關係依舊穩固 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
308.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
312.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
究竟是建立在實際的外交待遇的待遇上 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
316.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
或者只是建立在個人的認知上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
316.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
318.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
如果說台日的關係真的很穩固 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
318.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
322.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
那外交部更應該要拿出證據讓國人看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
322.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
325.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
而不是我們每次遇到爭議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
325.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
328.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
反正被審公台日友好沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
328.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
329.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
或是不委屈 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
329.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
331.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
不是這樣的話就可以解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
331.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
333.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
部長利用這個機會你來說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
333.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
335.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
335.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
337.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
不是睡機場 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
337.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
340.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
是在機場飯店 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
340.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
341.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
沒關係部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
341.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
346.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
所以早上5點包機就到check in |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
346.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
351.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
所以這個是純粹是行程的安排 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
351.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
352.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
我是再次說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
352.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
354.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
我不是像電影院的 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
354.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
357.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
拿著行李有些人就在這邊機場裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
357.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
359.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
是機場的旅館 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
359.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
363.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
我們台灣也有其實也都這個很舒適 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
364.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
366.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
至於說這一次有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
366.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
370.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
所謂日本核爆紀念的這個活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
370.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
372.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
372.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
374.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
我是跟日方都有溝通的 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
374.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
376.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
管道也暢通 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
376.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
378.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
我們也有分工 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
378.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
380.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
比如大使去廣島 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
380.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
382.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
處長去長崎 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
382.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
384.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
廣島因為在遷 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
384.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
386.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
就鞏固了我們台日關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
386.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
387.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
雖然我們沒有邦交國 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
387.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
389.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
他把我們視同邦交國 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
389.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
392.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
我們當然是非常的肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
392.3 |
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396.3 |
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可是在長崎因為他過去就是說 |
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當然有一些比較不友善的行為 |
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這一次他們希望有改善 |
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所以其實跟外面報導是有出路的 |
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並不是說像去年那個樣子 |
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中間又隔一個走道 |
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我們處長到的時候也是報到 |
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他也是專人引導入座 |
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也有帶了一個就是所謂使節團的那個花 |
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421.3 |
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423.3 |
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很大 |
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423.3 |
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425.3 |
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所以我認為某個程度來講 |
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425.3 |
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對方也可能感受到 |
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431.3 |
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不管是我們的誠意或他們社會的壓力 |
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435.3 |
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那我是認為這樣子是朝好的方向發展 |
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435.3 |
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437.3 |
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但是我們仍然不滿意 |
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437.3 |
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439.3 |
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我們還是希望說 |
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439.3 |
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443.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
我們能夠因為這樣一個活動 |
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443.3 |
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445.3 |
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能夠以就是說 |
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447.3 |
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跟一般使節團一樣 |
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447.3 |
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449.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
完全一樣 |
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449.3 |
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452.3 |
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可是事實上這裡面在實質上是一樣 |
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452.3 |
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可是因為他們對於台灣的 |
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454.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
458.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
跟我們的外交關係或我們的國家的定位 |
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458.3 |
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是確實不是邦交國 |
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463.3 |
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所以我覺得在外交是很複雜 |
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463.3 |
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467.3 |
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我們不可能都百分百用我們期待的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
467.3 |
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470.3 |
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有時候中間就要來來往往 |
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470.3 |
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472.3 |
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慢慢去拉近這個距離 |
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472.3 |
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476.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
所以我認為說外面有一些可能認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
476.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
478.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
他們有點矮化我們 |
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478.3 |
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480.3 |
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很不禮貌 |
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480.3 |
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482.3 |
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我也都表達了 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
482.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
484.3 |
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這是我們的國家的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
484.3 |
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488.3 |
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可是也要鼓勵他們朝改善的方向 |
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488.3 |
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490.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
來這一個發展 |
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490.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
494.3 |
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部長這當然就是了解 |
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494.3 |
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496.3 |
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不好意思主席我再耽誤一點時間 |
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496.3 |
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499.3 |
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我相信其實部長我們都要釋出善意 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
499.3 |
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501.3 |
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但是如果真的有不禮貌 |
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501.3 |
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503.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
我們也應該要講話 |
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503.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
505.3 |
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我現在就回應你這樣想 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
505.3 |
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507.3 |
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是你要參加我讓你來 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
507.3 |
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509.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
聽到你怎麼想 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
509.3 |
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511.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
好像我們一直要拜託人家讓我們參加聯合黨 |
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511.3 |
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513.3 |
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所以你今天來你拜後面 |
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513.3 |
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515.3 |
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那是我很尊重你 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
515.3 |
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517.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
部長你聽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
517.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
521.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
他們是有到副市長陳其跟我們交涉 |
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521.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
523.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
也有議員大家都想促成 |
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525.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
因為基本上這個是一個 |
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525.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
528.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
核報是一個和平紀念的活動 |
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528.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
531.3 |
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我是覺得這次裡面的拿捏 |
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531.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
533.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
我們已經做了區區別 |
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533.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
535.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
比如說廣島 |
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535.3 |
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537.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
如果說今天長期在先 |
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537.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
539.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
那會有這個印象 |
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539.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
541.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
可是他們直接因為這是地方政府辦的活動 |
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541.3 |
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543.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
雖然中央官員有到各國的使節 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
543.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
545.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
我是認為在外交上 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
545.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
547.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
我們台灣的處境本來就很特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
547.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
549.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
我們真的有時候要稍微有一點因地制宜 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
549.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
551.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
然後要鼓勵正向的發展 |
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551.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
555.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
我們不能夠只是表述我們的立場 |
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555.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
557.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
立場表述完之後 |
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557.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
559.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
下一步外交還是要來往 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
559.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
561.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
我是鼓勵我們的管處長 |
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561.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
563.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
要發揮創意 |
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563.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
565.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
然後讓他們授權他們 |
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565.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
567.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
有一點彈性的空間 |
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567.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
569.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
因為在第一線打仗 |
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569.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
571.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
外交是沒有煙囂的戰爭 |
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571.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
573.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
24小時111個外館 |
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573.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
575.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
我們隨時都在作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
575.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
577.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
謝謝部長這樣的說明 |
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577.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
579.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
我想利用這個機會讓國人也看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
579.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
581.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
就是說當我們的外交情況遇到這種情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
581.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
583.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
我們該表達什麼樣的方式 |
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583.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
585.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
立場堅定 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
585.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
587.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
態度很溫柔 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
587.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
589.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
但是方法很有策略 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
589.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
591.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
另外就是 |
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591.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
593.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
有分手提到第一問題 |
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593.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
595.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
就是外交使節這些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
595.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
597.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
如何做這個事情 |
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597.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
599.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
我很正面看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
599.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
601.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
我們外交部的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
601.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
603.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
以具名的方式 |
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603.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
605.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
來提出檢舉 |
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605.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
607.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
因此在七月底我們收到的時候 |
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607.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
609.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
我們就已經立案 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
609.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
611.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
然後八月二號就組成專案調查小組 |
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611.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
613.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
然後現在我們就 |
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613.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
615.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
現在我們的李處長也反國了 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
615.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
617.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
因為這個事情 |
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617.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
619.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
他檢舉的項目非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
619.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
621.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
涉及很多單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
621.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
623.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
恐怕不是我們公文往返 |
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623.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
625.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
能夠辦理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
625.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
627.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
所以我們就請他回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
627.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
629.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
然後來面對這個調查小組 |
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629.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
631.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
因為這都是很多外部委員 |
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631.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
633.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
都是專業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
633.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
635.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
有法律的有諮商的這些專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
635.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
637.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
我們就信任他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
637.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
639.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
我們也希望這個程序能夠加速 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
639.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
641.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
那把它釐清事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
641.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
643.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
釐清事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
643.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
645.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
因為有一些可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
645.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
647.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
雙方面的認知或證據是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
647.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
649.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
那我們就把它提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
649.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
651.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
我們也不要馬上就下結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
651.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
653.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
然後給這個調查專業的小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
653.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
655.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
有一個調查的空間 |
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655.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
657.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
好謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
657.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
659.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
部長那個還是 |
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659.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
661.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
關心你真的要利用假日 |
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661.3 |
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663.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
好好學習平時真的國事如馬 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
663.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
665.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
外交的處境 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
665.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
667.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
剛剛我們聊起來就是一件小事情都可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
667.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
669.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
忙成這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
669.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
671.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
那你也多睡一覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
671.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
673.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
我都在睡一覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
673.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
675.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
一人來找我 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
675.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
677.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
那副算的工作很多人都做你多睡一覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
677.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
679.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
就是人才嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
679.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
681.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
就好學習 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
681.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
683.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
謝謝部長 |