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張雅琳 @ 第11屆第5會期司法及法制、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:10,000 | 主席 |
| 00:00:10,000 | 00:00:12,000 | 謝謝主席 我們要求 |
| 00:00:12,000 | 00:00:15,000 | 我們先請這個國防部跟內政部 |
| 00:00:15,000 | 00:00:18,000 | 國防部副部長 |
| 00:00:18,000 | 00:00:21,000 | 雷政博 |
| 00:00:21,000 | 00:00:22,000 | 詹委員好 |
| 00:00:22,000 | 00:00:23,000 | 好 你好 |
| 00:00:23,000 | 00:00:26,000 | 我想跟您討論有關於這個陳政任性的 |
| 00:00:26,000 | 00:00:29,000 | 這一次的演習的一個細節啦 |
| 00:00:29,000 | 00:00:31,000 | 就是說這次國家級警報發送出去裡面 |
| 00:00:31,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 簡訊裡面有一個避難指引的網址 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 那民眾點進去之後就可以查詢到附近的一個防空避難的一個處所 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 那我知道政府其實也有提醒民眾說 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:45,000 | 你應該要預先去查好住家工作地點附近的一個防空避難空間 |
| 00:00:45,000 | 00:00:47,000 | 那這個部分我當然覺得這個提醒是非常好 |
| 00:00:47,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 但是我覺得我們今天在演習的狀況就要考慮到一個 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:53,000 | 是人們如果不是在他熟悉的地方呢 |
| 00:00:53,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 就例如說我可能剛好在這個警報發生的時候 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:57,000 | 我剛好出差 |
| 00:00:57,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 我可能剛好帶小孩出遊 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 那這樣子的話我們其實不會知道說 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 我現在最近的避難處所到底在哪裡 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:06,000 | 可是問題來了 |
| 00:01:06,000 | 00:01:09,000 | 如果現在DT台受損 |
| 00:01:09,000 | 00:01:10,000 | 網路中斷的話 |
| 00:01:10,000 | 00:01:14,000 | 或是通訊狀況比這次的降速還要嚴重的話 |
| 00:01:14,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 那我到底該怎麼辦 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:18,000 | 我覺得這是一個非常實際的問題 |
| 00:01:18,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 那我們辦公室實際測試的時候 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:21,000 | 發現把手機網路關掉 |
| 00:01:21,000 | 00:01:22,000 | 有人的手機 |
| 00:01:22,000 | 00:01:24,000 | 因為之前可能開過頁面 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:25,000 | 就可以看到部分內容 |
| 00:01:25,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 可是如果有些人是沒有 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:31,000 | 可是有些人是直接顯示沒有這個訊息的 |
| 00:01:31,000 | 00:01:33,000 | 請他確認網路的狀態 |
| 00:01:33,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 那我想如果說今天我剛剛講的 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:41,000 | 我們出差到了不同的地方的時候 |
| 00:01:41,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 現在我賴以為生的就是 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:47,000 | 政府提供給我這個資訊 |
| 00:01:47,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 那我到底該怎麼辦 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:50,000 | 我到底該去哪裡避難呢 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 請全動署 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:53,000 | 委員好 |
| 00:01:53,000 | 00:01:55,000 | 我是全動署副署長兼執行長 |
| 00:01:55,000 | 00:01:56,000 | 跟您做報告 |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:01:57,000 | 就是其實我們在 |
| 00:01:57,000 | 00:02:01,000 | 不管是記者會或是相關的電視廣播都有宣導 |
| 00:02:01,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 就是我們是希望大家先提前建立相關的這個備援機制 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 那包括您剛才提的這個地圖的部分 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 在網路在不同 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 不是在住家附近或是習慣的地方的時候 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:15,000 | 其實我們是有提醒民眾要建立 |
| 00:02:15,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 要下載離線地圖 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:21,000 | 消防防災一點通裡面是有個離線地圖的 |
| 00:02:21,000 | 00:02:23,000 | 那到時候就可以拿來做運用 |
| 00:02:23,000 | 00:02:27,000 | 那看看到底是在哪個地方可以去做一些搜尋 |
| 00:02:27,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 那我想問的是說 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:31,000 | 因為消防一點通現在多少人下載 |
| 00:02:31,000 | 00:02:32,000 | 這是 |
| 00:02:32,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 我可能要問一下消防署 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 如果說我們今天要告訴民眾說 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 今天因為你現在提供給我的簡訊上面 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 這一個資訊其實是我沒有網路 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 或是網路狀況不是很理想的時候 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:43,000 | 我其實是沒有辦法知道 |
| 00:02:43,000 | 00:02:45,000 | 我現在到底該去哪裡防空避難 |
| 00:02:45,000 | 00:02:47,000 | 那如果我們今天說消防一點通 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 是很重要的一個關鍵 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:49,000 | 那到底多少人下載 |
| 00:02:49,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 每個人都可以使用到這件事情嗎 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 如果在那個此時此刻我最需要就是說 |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:55,000 | 我到底怎麼樣可以知道 |
| 00:02:55,000 | 00:02:57,000 | 我到哪裡去避難嘛對不對 |
| 00:02:57,000 | 00:02:59,000 | 所以如果說今天消防一點通 |
| 00:02:59,000 | 00:03:01,000 | 是可以做離線地圖的話 |
| 00:03:01,000 | 00:03:03,000 | 那你們的避難指引 |
| 00:03:03,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 不就是應該給大家消防一點通的連結嗎 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:07,000 | 或是什麼東西嗎 |
| 00:03:07,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 包括委員 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 因為其實我們在之前發布的 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 這個台灣全民安全指引裡面 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 也有相關的這個網站的連結 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:15,000 | 那我們在記者會裡面 |
| 00:03:15,000 | 00:03:17,000 | 包括行政院記者會 |
| 00:03:17,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 還有國防部的記者會 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:19,000 | 我們也都有做宣導 |
| 00:03:19,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 然後另外呢就是我們其實我們 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 不好意思我打斷你一下 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 就是說宣導我當然都知道 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 但是我們也都知道說 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 就是當然大家在一個 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 有做事前準備的狀況之下 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 一定都是可以配合 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 但是我們現在提供的這個 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:38,000 | 我現在的問題是在這個避難指引 |
| 00:03:38,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 其實是沒有辦法使用的嘛 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 就是如果有事先下載離線地圖 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 是可以使用的 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 那委員你指導 |
| 00:03:45,000 | 00:03:47,000 | 我們會後續跟內政部一起做推廣 |
| 00:03:47,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 今天在跟你討論的是說 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 如果我今天不是在 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:51,000 | 我常去的地點嗎 |
| 00:03:51,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 因為我們不可 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 因為我們一定是在我自己住家 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 或是我自己辦公室 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:56,000 | 我自己常去的小孩的學校附近 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:03:58,000 | 我們可能都會去做這些事情嘛 |
| 00:03:58,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 可是如果今天我臨時出差了呢 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:01,000 | 我臨時帶小孩出去玩 |
| 00:04:01,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 在這個時候遇到這種狀況的時候 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:04,000 | 我們要處理的是 |
| 00:04:04,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 幫助民眾在無時無刻 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:09,000 | 都可以幫助他避難吧 |
| 00:04:09,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 這才是我們做演習 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:11,000 | 最重要的目標嘛 |
| 00:04:11,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 所以我希望你們可以去檢討 |
| 00:04:13,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 你們現在的給這個指引 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 其實是沒有辦法達到我們 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 確保民眾在無時無刻 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 都可以避難吧 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:21,000 | 對吧 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 我們會持續去宣導 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:23,000 | 離線地圖的下載啦 |
| 00:04:23,000 | 00:04:25,000 | 然後再來就是說那個 |
| 00:04:25,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 我們也多做這個村里長的宣導 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 然後請他去協助我們去推廣這個APP |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:33,000 | 所以你們覺得這個避難指引 |
| 00:04:33,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 沒有問題就對了 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 現在給這個連結是沒有問題 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 我們會再跟內政部去做研討 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 一起來共同推動這件事情 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 好我希望這個 |
| 00:04:41,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 因為避難指引對民眾來說 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 我當時看到 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 如果一般的民眾看到這個訊息 |
| 00:04:45,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 他當時不在自己熟悉情境的時候 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:48,000 | 他真的會很希望說 |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:50,000 | 如何幫助他自己盡快地避難 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 所以這個資訊對他來說 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 就是最後的救命的稻草 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:55,000 | 一定要做到這件事情 |
| 00:04:55,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 可以幫助他好嗎 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:57,000 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:04:57,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 好那在下一題我還是要 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 但是我要問黑夜騎俠的案件啦 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 這個就是說 |
| 00:05:05,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 北檢最近在偵辦黑夜騎俠 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 那目前檢方偵辦 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 跟媒體的相關報導是說 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 相關人員疑似取得 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 高達2300多萬的戶籍資料 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:19,000 | 這代表的是什麼 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:23,000 | 是台灣人的個資已經在外面流通 |
| 00:05:23,000 | 00:05:26,000 | 好那這個呢 |
| 00:05:26,000 | 00:05:28,000 | 當時內政部是說 |
| 00:05:28,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 這個論壇上的資料 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:31,000 | 這個資料的 |
| 00:05:31,000 | 00:05:33,000 | 抱歉那這個我也發現說 |
| 00:05:33,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 這其實不是第一次出現 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 這個規模的資料 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 在2022年的10月 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 就已經曾經有人在國外論壇 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:42,000 | 駭客論壇上面販售約2357萬筆的 |
| 00:05:42,000 | 00:05:43,000 | 台灣戶政資料 |
| 00:05:43,000 | 00:05:45,000 | 當時還有公開20萬筆的 |
| 00:05:45,000 | 00:05:47,000 | 宜蘭地區的資料 |
| 00:05:47,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 那包含了非常清楚的身分證字號 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 地址婚姻狀態 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:53,000 | 父母跟配偶等等的資訊 |
| 00:05:53,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 那當時內政部是表示說 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:56,000 | 論壇上的資料格式 |
| 00:05:56,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 跟戶政系統差異非常之大 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:01,000 | 所以不是從戶政系統直接外洩 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 那也沒有發現被入侵的狀況 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 可是後來調查局又在2023年 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 確認外流資料確實是我國 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 在2018年4月以前的戶政資料 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 那最近呢 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:17,000 | 這件事情又再往進一步的延伸 |
| 00:06:17,000 | 00:06:19,000 | 我想要再請教就是說 |
| 00:06:19,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 我們有一名海軍的推議上 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:23,000 | 是出面指出 |
| 00:06:23,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 他因為長期在網路上面 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 表達反共的立場 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:28,000 | 那和黑夜騎俠 |
| 00:06:28,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 在網路上發現爭論之後 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 發現對方不僅是掌握了 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 他部分的戶籍資料 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:38,000 | 甚至知道他母親是中國籍的配偶 |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 所以代表是他的資料 |
| 00:06:40,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 可能是非常的透明喔 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:45,000 | 我想要先請教有關於內政部 |
| 00:06:45,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 到底我們現在這個2022年 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:51,000 | 跟2018年以前的 |
| 00:06:51,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 2022年在這個駭客論壇上面 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:58,000 | 流通的跟2018年以前的這一筆資料 |
| 00:06:58,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 是不是同一批 |
| 00:06:59,000 | 00:07:02,000 | 因為數字是幾乎是一模一樣 |
| 00:07:02,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 所以這個可不可以請教一下 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 內政部現在掌握的狀況是什麼 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 感謝委員關心喔 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 那之前部裡面有報告過 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 那個是2018年舊版本的資料 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:17,000 | 那跟這一次疑似公布出來的版本 |
| 00:07:17,000 | 00:07:19,000 | 獲取是不盡相同 |
| 00:07:19,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 那因為他這個牽扯到 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:23,000 | 有關護育證這個防火 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 還有這個資安的相關問題 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 那是否我們回去帶回去之後 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:30,000 | 我們請我們的資安部門 |
| 00:07:30,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 來同意來做回應 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 我想這件事情我們應該要清楚的知道 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:37,000 | 就是說到底是不是同一批 |
| 00:07:37,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 如果是同一批 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:41,000 | 那我們接下來我們到底如何的 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:43,000 | 去避免這件事情再發生嘛 |
| 00:07:43,000 | 00:07:45,000 | 那如果說今天呢 |
| 00:07:45,000 | 00:07:49,000 | 他可能是不同批的話 |
| 00:07:49,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 那我們到底有沒有能力去判斷 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 他到底從哪一個地方 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:56,000 | 就再洩漏出去了 |
| 00:07:56,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 我們因為畢竟我們的護正系統 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:01,000 | 其實就是會跟很多單位去做借接嘛 |
| 00:08:01,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 到底是哪一個點漏出來 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:05,000 | 我覺得這個政府應該要有能力 |
| 00:08:05,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 來告訴我們 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 我們現在的判斷跟掌握狀況是什麼 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 所以這個部分 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 你大概什麼時候會再來跟我們做說明呢 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:15,000 | 我們這個待會去跟部裡面討論 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 因為牽扯到護育證 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 那還有相關資安 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 那我們回去再專案跟委員報告 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 那我現在問的是時間啊 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:25,000 | 我沒有說不讓你回去討論啊 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 所以是什麼時間 |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 因為我們是毒品專責的單位啦 |
| 00:08:30,000 | 00:08:33,000 | 那我們還是回去跟他報告之後 |
| 00:08:33,000 | 00:08:34,000 | 再馬上跟我們報告 |
| 00:08:34,000 | 00:08:36,000 | 那我就先落下一個月的時間好不好 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 那請你們的資安處來報告一個月內好不好 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 那我還是要請教一下國防部 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 就是說因為剛剛有講 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 這是一個退役的上市 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 那他的資料清清楚楚 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 那這代表是什麼 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 如果他今天只是做詐騙都已經蠻嚴重 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 可是他如果今天被鎖定 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 是針對於我們的軍人 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 不管是先一或退役 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 其實都是一個蠻大的風險 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 那所以我想請教我關於國防部 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 我們現在對於先一軍人喔 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 如果發現自己的配偶 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 或者是父母子女等等的各自 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 遭不明人士掌握 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 甚至進一步提到他的服役單位 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 家庭關係進行威脅利誘脅迫 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:12,000 | 我們現在標準處理程序是什麼 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:15,000 | 第一個部分是我先跟委員報告一下 |
| 00:09:15,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 就是有關這個退役官兵他的資料 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 基本上我們會放到這個 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:21,000 | 所有限制的後備者 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:24,000 | 他是用密集的這個要件來處理 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 然後第二個部分是在文件答案裡面 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 確實他會有一些監視的一些系統 |
| 00:09:30,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 來佐證希望這個各支部分不會去外流 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:36,000 | 那第二個部分就是說有關這一個 |
| 00:09:36,000 | 00:09:38,000 | 如果說有退役的 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 我們先一的官兵他假設有被鎖定 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:45,000 | 他可以藉由 |
| 00:09:45,000 | 00:09:47,000 | 第一個部分是我們已經在內部 |
| 00:09:47,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 已經有做宣導 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:50,000 | 就是希望我們今天所有的父母 |
| 00:09:50,000 | 00:09:52,000 | 如果是已經有被掌握的人 |
| 00:09:52,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 能夠透過他在役的官兵直接 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 來跟我們做個反應我們來協助 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:10:00,000 | 他相關的一些案件不會讓這個官兵來 |
| 00:10:00,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 獨自面對 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:03,000 | 那有關已經退役的官兵 |
| 00:10:03,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 我們會做一個宣導 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:07,000 | 希望他們盡量減少到這個大陸地區 |
| 00:10:07,000 | 00:10:08,000 | 或者其他地區去 |
| 00:10:08,000 | 00:10:10,000 | 如果有被鎖定的話他們可以做 |
| 00:10:10,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 不好意思喔 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:13,000 | 部部長我可能要打斷你一下 |
| 00:10:13,000 | 00:10:16,000 | 就是說我們今天當然做前面宣導 |
| 00:10:16,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 那都是預警嘛對不對 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:18,000 | 是 |
| 00:10:18,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 但是今天講的是事害 |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:22,000 | 這些傷害已經發生之後 |
| 00:10:22,000 | 00:10:25,000 | 我們的這個退役人員 |
| 00:10:25,000 | 00:10:26,000 | 他要去找誰呢 |
| 00:10:26,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 因為你剛講先一官兵 |
| 00:10:28,000 | 00:10:29,000 | 你們可能有一個流程 |
| 00:10:29,000 | 00:10:31,000 | 他可以在裡面去 |
| 00:10:31,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 可能去說明或報告等等的 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:37,000 | 可是那退役的呢 |
| 00:10:37,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 剛講這個退役 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:39,000 | 他到底可以跟誰講 |
| 00:10:39,000 | 00:10:40,000 | 基本上他可以找 |
| 00:10:40,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 有關這個退出一官兵輔導委員會 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:45,000 | 第二個部分是列管的後備指揮部 |
| 00:10:45,000 | 00:10:47,000 | 來做一個反應我們來協助 |
| 00:10:47,000 | 00:10:50,000 | 好那我想這個訊息可能要很清楚 |
| 00:10:50,000 | 00:10:51,000 | 讓我們退役官兵知道啦 |
| 00:10:51,000 | 00:10:54,000 | 因為這其實會影響到國家的一個安全 |
| 00:10:54,000 | 00:10:56,000 | 那第二個部分是說 |
| 00:10:56,000 | 00:10:57,000 | 我也想再追問一題 |
| 00:10:57,000 | 00:10:59,000 | 就是今天如果說是 |
| 00:10:59,000 | 00:11:02,000 | 他來講說他自己的個資被洩漏 |
| 00:11:02,000 | 00:11:04,000 | 但是如果一個狀況是 |
| 00:11:04,000 | 00:11:07,000 | 你們已經掌握有一些個資被洩漏的話 |
| 00:11:07,000 | 00:11:10,000 | 你們會如何的去提醒這一些官兵 |
| 00:11:10,000 | 00:11:14,000 | 甚至是掌握機敏資料的我們的軍人呢 |
| 00:11:14,000 | 00:11:18,000 | 如果說他已經掌握到這個個資被洩漏的話 |
| 00:11:18,000 | 00:11:21,000 | 我們會單獨去找個人去跟他做說明 |
| 00:11:21,000 | 00:11:24,000 | 因為個資洩漏其實剛剛委員所提的 |
| 00:11:24,000 | 00:11:26,000 | 他有非常多的一個管道 |
| 00:11:26,000 | 00:11:29,000 | 不然到您剛剛所提的那個一個管道 |
| 00:11:29,000 | 00:11:31,000 | 或是系統的連結都可能洩漏 |
| 00:11:31,000 | 00:11:34,000 | 那如果說基本上為什麼剛剛跟委員先說明 |
| 00:11:34,000 | 00:11:36,000 | 我們退役官兵的部分 |
| 00:11:36,000 | 00:11:38,000 | 我們是用密集來做處理 |
| 00:11:38,000 | 00:11:39,000 | 就是我們希望能夠減少 |
| 00:11:39,000 | 00:11:41,000 | 他個資外洩的這個情形 |
| 00:11:41,000 | 00:11:42,000 | 那如果已經洩漏的話 |
| 00:11:42,000 | 00:11:44,000 | 他反應我們來協助 |
| 00:11:44,000 | 00:11:46,000 | 用個案的方式來處理 |
| 00:11:46,000 | 00:11:48,000 | 我先講的其實是預警 |
| 00:11:48,000 | 00:11:50,000 | 就是說我簡單做個總結好了 |
| 00:11:50,000 | 00:11:53,000 | 就是說資安這件事情 |
| 00:11:53,000 | 00:11:55,000 | 我們當然是就是一個矛盾嘛 |
| 00:11:55,000 | 00:11:56,000 | 誰的盾最強 |
| 00:11:56,000 | 00:11:58,000 | 但是他們還是會持續的來攻破嘛 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:11:59,000 | 因為他們想要這個東西嘛 |
| 00:11:59,000 | 00:12:02,000 | 所以我們只能不停的不停的去強化 |
| 00:12:02,000 | 00:12:03,000 | 但是終究還是要去面對 |
| 00:12:03,000 | 00:12:05,000 | 這個個資如果真的外洩的時候 |
| 00:12:05,000 | 00:12:07,000 | 當我們掌握到這些資訊的時候 |
| 00:12:07,000 | 00:12:09,000 | 我們要如何的去預警 |
| 00:12:09,000 | 00:12:11,000 | 我們這些掌握機敏資料的人 |
| 00:12:11,000 | 00:12:13,000 | 好讓他們可以清楚的知道說 |
| 00:12:13,000 | 00:12:15,000 | 我們現在會怎麼協助他們 |
| 00:12:15,000 | 00:12:17,000 | 不然就等到是說我自己感受到 |
| 00:12:17,000 | 00:12:19,000 | 我自己被掌握了 |
| 00:12:19,000 | 00:12:21,000 | 那會不會在這個時候 |
| 00:12:21,000 | 00:12:24,000 | 我們有一些重要的情報就出去了呢 |
| 00:12:24,000 | 00:12:26,000 | 好所以我現在講的其實是 |
| 00:12:26,000 | 00:12:29,000 | 再如何在當我們知道事件已經發生了 |
| 00:12:29,000 | 00:12:32,000 | 如何的趕快的去讓他們知道 |
| 00:12:32,000 | 00:12:34,000 | 國家會協助你 |
| 00:12:34,000 | 00:12:36,000 | 好不好這件事情我希望可以再強化 |
| 00:12:36,000 | 00:12:37,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:12:37,000 | 00:12:38,000 | 謝謝委員 |
| 00:12:38,000 | 00:12:41,000 | 好謝謝 |