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蘇巧慧 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:14,000 | 好,謝謝主席,我們請劉部長和花董事長 |
| 00:00:14,000 | 00:00:19,000 | 委員好 |
| 00:00:19,000 | 00:00:20,000 | 部長好 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:22,000 | 部長,那我直接請您和花董事長 |
| 00:00:22,000 | 00:00:24,000 | 是因為我後面可能要問的稍微細一點 |
| 00:00:24,000 | 00:00:26,000 | 所以如果是方向以外的問題 |
| 00:00:26,000 | 00:00:28,000 | 您需要由花董事長回答的話 |
| 00:00:28,000 | 00:00:29,000 | 請自行決定這樣 |
| 00:00:29,000 | 00:00:33,000 | 好,那部長我現在想要跟您討論的是 |
| 00:00:33,000 | 00:00:35,000 | 其實我們今天在這裡最重要的就是 |
| 00:00:35,000 | 00:00:37,000 | 讓社會上的每一個族群 |
| 00:00:37,000 | 00:00:41,000 | 不管是從年紀或者是職業別、身分別等等 |
| 00:00:41,000 | 00:00:44,000 | 都能夠有一個安心的家、住宅 |
| 00:00:44,000 | 00:00:47,000 | 所以我們希望政府能夠提供社會住宅也好 |
| 00:00:47,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 或者是高租貸款用各種方法 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:53,000 | 這就是我們所謂的多元能夠到百萬戶這樣的狀態嘛 |
| 00:00:53,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 那我今天其實想要跟你討論的是 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 第一個,像我們在說婚育宅、婚育宅的部分 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:01,000 | 其實我們一直在想 |
| 00:01:01,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 為什麼我們要有婚育宅 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 第一個是為了鼓勵青年人敢生 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:07,000 | 但是第二個,當他生了之後呢 |
| 00:01:07,000 | 00:01:09,000 | 其實住在社宅最大的麻煩就是 |
| 00:01:09,000 | 00:01:11,000 | 社會住宅有期限 |
| 00:01:11,000 | 00:01:13,000 | 三年一到,甚至最多兩個,對,那就六年 |
| 00:01:13,000 | 00:01:14,000 | 所以會換地方 |
| 00:01:14,000 | 00:01:17,000 | 所以內政部有沒有可以大膽的試想過 |
| 00:01:17,000 | 00:01:19,000 | 有沒有二十年的婚育宅 |
| 00:01:19,000 | 00:01:21,000 | 因為我提出了,我覺得 |
| 00:01:21,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 其實我們可以在新北來試辦 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:25,000 | 二十年的婚育宅 |
| 00:01:25,000 | 00:01:28,000 | 就是讓我們成家立業的青年人之後 |
| 00:01:28,000 | 00:01:31,000 | 他的孩子出生,真的就不用換學區 |
| 00:01:31,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 可以在同一個地方長大 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:33,000 | 我的同學都一樣 |
| 00:01:33,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 這才是真正家的感覺嘛 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 我們想要創造的部分 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 所以第一個我跟您就要問 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 這個接任婚育宅的部分 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 試辦二十年長住行 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:43,000 | 內政部的態度怎麼樣 |
| 00:01:43,000 | 00:01:45,000 | 謝謝委員 |
| 00:01:45,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 委員非常關心年輕人 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 包括婚育宅的這個部分 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:51,000 | 在我們目前的部分確實沒有錯 |
| 00:01:51,000 | 00:01:53,000 | 就是可能他是六年,這是十二年 |
| 00:01:53,000 | 00:01:55,000 | 但是我們按照地方制度法 |
| 00:01:55,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 或是按照委員所在的新北市的部分 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:01,000 | 新北市也有新北市蓋的社會住宅 |
| 00:02:01,000 | 00:02:04,000 | 那如果您願意提出這樣的試辦辦法的話 |
| 00:02:04,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 我們會樂觀其成 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 樂觀其成嘛 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:07,000 | 所以這是可以的嘛 |
| 00:02:07,000 | 00:02:09,000 | 因為我們知道社會住宅的量 |
| 00:02:09,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 其實大家都還在搶當中 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:12,000 | 其實都還是算少的 |
| 00:02:12,000 | 00:02:15,000 | 可是如果我們用試辦的方式 |
| 00:02:15,000 | 00:02:19,000 | 來試試看這樣子的二十年的長住婚育宅 |
| 00:02:19,000 | 00:02:21,000 | 是不是真的能夠鼓勵年輕人婚育 |
| 00:02:21,000 | 00:02:23,000 | 那我想這是一個好的方法 |
| 00:02:23,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 所以我會 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 如果我有機會 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 我一定來試辦這樣的青年婚育宅 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 二十年長住行在新北市 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:02:31,000 | 好,那第二個呢 |
| 00:02:31,000 | 00:02:32,000 | 這個包租代管 |
| 00:02:32,000 | 00:02:35,000 | 那我看兩位是誰可以回答都沒有問題 |
| 00:02:35,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 這個包租代管等於是我們在這幾年 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:39,000 | 從小運總統上任之後 |
| 00:02:39,000 | 00:02:41,000 | 創造出來的一個新制度 |
| 00:02:41,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 而事實上他非常非常的成功 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 因為他把社會上空於賢住的住屋、房舍 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:51,000 | 拿出來變成是給市這個 |
| 00:02:51,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 一般社會大眾有需要的人 |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:55,000 | 所以等於創造三贏的狀態 |
| 00:02:55,000 | 00:02:57,000 | 但是就我的觀察 |
| 00:02:57,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 其實現在包租代管 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:03:01,000 | 其實應該成熟到可以有更細緻的階段 |
| 00:03:01,000 | 00:03:03,000 | 也就是說我覺得 |
| 00:03:03,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 他其實可以一樣再向租金補貼也好 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 或者是社宅也好 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 他因為承租人、需求者的身分不同 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 也許我們可以創造出不同類型的 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 包租代管方案 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 專門給這樣的一個特定族群 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 是不是能夠更達到照顧社會大眾的需求呢 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:23,000 | 我提出的是第一個 |
| 00:03:23,000 | 00:03:27,000 | 我認為包租代管可以優先租給高齡長者 |
| 00:03:27,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 這個高齡長者的定義如何 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 我們可以大家細步再來討論 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:33,000 | 但我覺得有適合的房型 |
| 00:03:33,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 給適當的高齡長者 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:37,000 | 這是用專案的讓他們不用跟別人搶 |
| 00:03:37,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 讓他們知道這是政府有把關過的 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 適合高齡長者的住宅 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 而從包租代管快速的達到這樣的房舍取得 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 並且有政府的支持 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:51,000 | 我覺得高齡長者是可以有的一個專案 |
| 00:03:51,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 另外一個我非常希望我自己有機會 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:56,000 | 可以實施的在新北市 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:03:58,000 | 就是在大學旁邊 |
| 00:03:58,000 | 00:04:01,000 | 大學旁邊學生其實很多 |
| 00:04:01,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 學生宿舍永遠不夠 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 學生宿舍那你一棟一棟蓋 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:06,000 | 當然可以啦 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 但是緩不濟急 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:11,000 | 所以我認為包租代管在大學旁邊附近 |
| 00:04:11,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 變成是政府和包租業者的一個 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 推動的一個平台 |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 讓學生知道來這裡找的房子 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:19,000 | 都是有保障的 |
| 00:04:19,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 房東是好人 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:21,000 | 租金是適當的 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 那房型也是這個品質不錯的 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 那如果是這樣的話 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 學生是不是可以減少很多 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 這個誤觸壞房東的風險 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:33,000 | 那甚至是在這裡 |
| 00:04:33,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 我們可以快速的完成就學的準備 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 所以我認為包租代管 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 包租代管是可以提出專案的需求來管理 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 那我自己提出兩個 |
| 00:04:45,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 一個是高齡 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 一個是學生 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 那不曉得部長或董事長這邊怎麼看 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 謝謝委員的真知灼見 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 我們競表贊成 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:57,000 | 那這樣的話就是中央開我也贊成 |
| 00:04:57,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 然後這錢你出不錯 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 因為以後我新北市的話 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:04,000 | 我當然希望中央出錢 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 財政收支劃分法裡面 |
| 00:05:05,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 還是有一定的比例 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:07,000 | 我還是爭取 |
| 00:05:07,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 跟委員報告確實沒有錯 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:11,000 | 我們在推出包租代管的時候 |
| 00:05:11,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 已經把有效的空餘屋下降的量 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 達到三萬多戶 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:19,000 | 那這個我想不管是從環境保護 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 或是從空餘屋的聚化市場來講 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 其實是一個不錯的市場供給 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 那您所提到的就是 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 能不能根據在社區裡面 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:29,000 | 長照族群裡面 |
| 00:05:29,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 有沒有包租代管的專案 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:33,000 | 我覺得可以考慮 |
| 00:05:33,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 學生的教育族群裡面 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 有沒有屬於學生的包租代管的專案 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 我想我們可以來考慮 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:41,000 | 那也非常希望說 |
| 00:05:41,000 | 00:05:43,000 | 如果這個委員有機會 |
| 00:05:43,000 | 00:05:45,000 | 可以在新北市實施這樣的政見 |
| 00:05:45,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 我們會來支持 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:47,000 | 非常感謝部長 |
| 00:05:47,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 那這個部分我們是不是也可以請 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 董事長這邊也再多一點的說明 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:53,000 | 就是如果在這樣的方案 |
| 00:05:53,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 是可行的狀態的話 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 其實我也認為 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:57,000 | 甚至是可以提出更多的誘因 |
| 00:05:57,000 | 00:06:01,000 | 比如說資訊可以更適當 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:03,000 | 更容易的傳達到需要的族群 |
| 00:06:03,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 那甚至是在補貼的部分或等等 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:07,000 | 是不是還有其他的鼓勵措施 |
| 00:06:07,000 | 00:06:10,000 | 可以讓這種方案是可以更推行的 |
| 00:06:10,000 | 00:06:11,000 | 不曉得董事長這邊 |
| 00:06:11,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 因為您是專家嘛 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:13,000 | 所以第一贊不贊成 |
| 00:06:13,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 第二如果是贊成 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 然後讓這些方案是可以 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 專門型的包租代管方案 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:19,000 | 可以順利上路的話 |
| 00:06:19,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 你會認為還可以提供什麼樣的誘因 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 報告委員 |
| 00:06:24,000 | 00:06:28,000 | 當然其實社宅包租代管的多元發展 |
| 00:06:28,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 絕對是未來會發生的趨勢 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 我認為是 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 這是不可擋 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 那至少當然我們現階段 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 在所謂的社宅這項的部分 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 弱勢比例有40%的一個保障 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 那對於婚姻宅也有一定40%的一個 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:48,000 | 那都已經跟業者再來嘗試 |
| 00:06:48,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 我們針對某一類族群 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 怎麼樣在日常的原因底下 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:58,000 | 來建立出該有的保障的比例 |
| 00:06:58,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 那這個部分在接下來 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:02,000 | 這段時間練兵之後 |
| 00:07:02,000 | 00:07:05,000 | 其實當然我們可以開始再開出 |
| 00:07:05,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 可能更多元 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:09,000 | 那來設計什麼樣的房型適合什麼樣的人 |
| 00:07:09,000 | 00:07:11,000 | 來讓業者來再往下 |
| 00:07:11,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 我認為至少我的這兩種類型裡面 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 在大學城旁邊的學生包租代管方案 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 就可以先行開始研議了 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:20,000 | 因為包括他們的合約的方式 |
| 00:07:20,000 | 00:07:23,000 | 那是不是可以讓雙方更容易 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 覺得說要有保障 |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 然後對學生的 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 因為他的豬旗是跟配合學旗制的 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:30,000 | 然後甚至是學年制的 |
| 00:07:30,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 所以怎麼個設計法 |
| 00:07:31,000 | 00:07:33,000 | 我覺得這個都可以討論 |
| 00:07:33,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 這個部分其實一方面有些已經在做了 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:40,000 | 但是大學旁邊很多是大的大房東 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:41,000 | 自己在經營的 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 那他要不要加入包租代管的這一段 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 我覺得我們在制度上面法令上面 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 還可以再來加強 |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 正是因為有很多是大房東 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 所以我需要政府做工 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 他習慣自己管 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:56,000 | 沒有再委託給業者管 |
| 00:07:56,000 | 00:07:59,000 | 那這個部分其實我相信後面 |
| 00:07:59,000 | 00:08:02,000 | 還有可以再強化的一些法令基礎 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 好那因為時間的關係 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 其實我還有兩個題目想要請教一下 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 那第二個題目我就直接是要求了 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 那因為我們上次是說 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 社宅候補系統應該落實資訊公開的部分 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 那其實在駐居中心上次董事長也有跟我們表達說 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:20,000 | 預計九月就會有一暫式的系統建置 |
| 00:08:20,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 然後大概九月會上線 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:25,000 | 請問這個系統現在還是如同 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 這個系統現在還是如期嗎 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 就是查詢我是候補第幾號 |
| 00:08:30,000 | 00:08:33,000 | 所以我一號候補一號候補一百號 |
| 00:08:33,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 等待的時間會完全不一樣 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:37,000 | 我今天沒有準備到這個資料 |
| 00:08:37,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 我是不是委員請我回去 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 好因為上次九月會上線是您這邊承諾的 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 所以麻煩您再提供一下 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 好那最後我還是回到部長 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 部長我再跟您反映一下 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 這也是我們收到的 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 我們覺得有道理的這個懲刑案 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 那我們在這裡跟您就教 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:57,000 | 就是我們用的租金租屋補貼的分級 |
| 00:08:57,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 其實可以再更細緻化一點 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 因為我們現在是按照兩個標準 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:03,000 | 一個是所在地分三級 |
| 00:09:03,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 然後再來是不同身份我們會再加碼 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 所以會出現有一種類別 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:09,000 | 我們覺得特別需要討論的 |
| 00:09:09,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 就是40歲以下單身 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:17,000 | 40歲以下單身在這樣子的狀況裡面 |
| 00:09:17,000 | 00:09:19,000 | 他會被全部打成一包 |
| 00:09:19,000 | 00:09:22,000 | 然後他就是租金的補貼成1.2 |
| 00:09:22,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 好可是40歲以下單身其實是對多元類型的狀況 |
| 00:09:26,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 他有學生 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 他有剛畢業剛就業的 |
| 00:09:30,000 | 00:09:32,000 | 他也有已經不錯了 |
| 00:09:32,000 | 00:09:34,000 | 40歲有人甚至可以當老闆了 |
| 00:09:34,000 | 00:09:36,000 | 但是他還是單身黃金單身漢 |
| 00:09:36,000 | 00:09:38,000 | 黃金單身女都有 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:42,000 | 所以40歲以下單身其實是一個最多元的狀況 |
| 00:09:42,000 | 00:09:45,000 | 有時候最需要被扶住的扶持的 |
| 00:09:45,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 也就是在這個部分 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 所以大家如果都打成一包的話 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:49,000 | 都是1.2 |
| 00:09:49,000 | 00:09:52,000 | 其實有時候還是心情上會覺得 |
| 00:09:52,000 | 00:09:53,000 | 不是那麼公平 |
| 00:09:53,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 然後需要支持的部分是不是可以更多 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 所以我們在這裡就直接建議 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 病人是不是可以考慮 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:02,000 | 是不是研議一下 |
| 00:10:02,000 | 00:10:07,000 | 在40歲以下的這個租金補貼租屋補貼的部分 |
| 00:10:07,000 | 00:10:10,000 | 還有機會再細緻化 |
| 00:10:10,000 | 00:10:13,000 | 報告委員我想這個是有可能 |
| 00:10:13,000 | 00:10:16,000 | 因為我們一直在累計這樣子的滾動的調查 |
| 00:10:16,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 跟我們報告一下 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:19,000 | 我們的租金補貼裡面 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 已經有91.9萬戶裡面了 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:26,000 | 其中的單身青年已經有52萬戶 |
| 00:10:26,000 | 00:10:29,000 | 那這52萬戶裡面我們可以再就細緻 |
| 00:10:29,000 | 00:10:30,000 | 像委員講的 |
| 00:10:30,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 救學和當畢業的這部分 |
| 00:10:32,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 是不是可以再把租金補貼再做細緻的分級 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:37,000 | 就是他如果有學籍再加碼 |
| 00:10:37,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 再加碼補貼 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:39,000 | 那這個部分的話 |
| 00:10:39,000 | 00:10:41,000 | 我們譬如說跟教育部來勾集 |
| 00:10:41,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 或者是跟勞動部來做勾集 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:44,000 | 我們會做研議 |
| 00:10:44,000 | 00:10:46,000 | 好謝謝部長以上謝謝 |
| 00:10:46,000 | 00:10:47,000 | 謝謝 |