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王美惠 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:08,000 | 主席 |
| 00:00:08,000 | 00:00:12,000 | 我們這裡發進去當事長 |
| 00:00:16,000 | 00:00:17,000 | 有了喔 |
| 00:00:19,000 | 00:00:21,000 | 當事長老早 |
| 00:00:21,000 | 00:00:23,000 | 在這個過程當中 |
| 00:00:23,000 | 00:00:27,000 | 你那時候當出任 |
| 00:00:27,000 | 00:00:31,000 | 當內政部的次長 |
| 00:00:31,000 | 00:00:33,000 | 在這個過程當中 |
| 00:00:33,000 | 00:00:35,000 | 主要說到現在 |
| 00:00:35,000 | 00:00:39,000 | 都是要照顧這裡的律師 |
| 00:00:39,000 | 00:00:42,000 | 還是吃結婚的 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:47,000 | 因為現在的地和房子都很好 |
| 00:00:47,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 是非常貴又貴 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:53,000 | 在這個過程當中 |
| 00:00:53,000 | 00:00:55,000 | 我才會做 |
| 00:00:55,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 在嘉義來台北做立法委員 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:01,000 | 在這個過程當中 |
| 00:01:01,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 嘉義市都沒有社會主宰 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 我覺得感謝你們的單位 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:10,000 | 給嘉義市機會 |
| 00:01:10,000 | 00:01:13,000 | 因為剛才我們都在說 |
| 00:01:13,000 | 00:01:15,000 | 結果在台南問 |
| 00:01:15,000 | 00:01:17,000 | 台南又不需要 |
| 00:01:17,000 | 00:01:18,000 | 說實在 |
| 00:01:18,000 | 00:01:19,000 | 當事長 |
| 00:01:19,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 在我的台南來看的時候 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:25,000 | 是非常有需要 |
| 00:01:25,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 在這個過程當中 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:30,000 | 我進出三位 |
| 00:01:30,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 一個友中 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 一個保愛 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 一個安寮 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:37,000 | 在這個過程當中 |
| 00:01:37,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 我們已經友中十幾個 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 開始要擔保了 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:47,000 | 當事長你怎麼可以 |
| 00:01:47,000 | 00:01:49,000 | 就這個機會 |
| 00:01:49,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 來說要怎麼才有辦法 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 去申請社會主宰 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:57,000 | 社會主宰來賓 |
| 00:01:57,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 是我們全部要賣 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 是用作的 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 就是在這裡的弱勢也好 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:07,000 | 在這裡的年輕人也好 |
| 00:02:07,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 希望有一個地方讓他們採訪 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 好 感謝你們 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:14,000 | 我們友中老師 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 應該是預計 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:19,000 | 我們大概十月會公告招租 |
| 00:02:19,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 十月 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:23,000 | 今年十月會公告招租 |
| 00:02:23,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 公告之後 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 十天會開始接受申請 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 十天給大家了解 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:02:32,000 | 再十天開始申請 |
| 00:02:32,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 申請的時間有一個月 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 申請的地方 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 我們到時候會跟管理政府 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:41,000 | 管理政府那裡有一個服務店 |
| 00:02:41,000 | 00:02:43,000 | 可以在那裡申請 |
| 00:02:43,000 | 00:02:45,000 | 也可以透過透過網路 |
| 00:02:45,000 | 00:02:47,000 | 因為我們主要透過網路 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:49,000 | 把你的資料寫下來 |
| 00:02:49,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 寫出來 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 就完成了你的申請 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:55,000 | 接下來我們就要用兩三個月時間 |
| 00:02:55,000 | 00:02:57,000 | 來審查所有來申請的人 |
| 00:02:57,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 他的資格是哪一個級別 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 有沒有符合申請的資格 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 審查完之後就會進入到抽籤 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 抽籤我們會公開 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:13,000 | 當時你發 直接請教一下 |
| 00:03:13,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 抽籤的時候可以做拼嗎 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 不可能 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:21,000 | 都會第三公正單位來監督我們的 |
| 00:03:21,000 | 00:03:23,000 | 現在很害 |
| 00:03:23,000 | 00:03:25,000 | 說如果叫大聲的去 |
| 00:03:25,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 還不用去抽 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 我覺得這個而已 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:33,000 | 是對我們中央的認真打拼 |
| 00:03:33,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 傷害很大 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 這個我們再來澄清 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:38,000 | 我們再盡快來澄清 |
| 00:03:38,000 | 00:03:39,000 | 跟我們報告 |
| 00:03:39,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 因為房客要付的租金 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 我們都有一定的標準 |
| 00:03:45,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 我們的標準就是 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 因為我們蓋的是新房子 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 但是我們是用 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 十年屋齡的房子來估市場租金 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:56,000 | 然後它會比較低 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:03:58,000 | 然後這樣那個租金 |
| 00:03:58,000 | 00:04:01,000 | 依照房客的所得標準 |
| 00:04:01,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 會有打八折 打七折 和打五折 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:06,000 | 三總折扣 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 所以大家付的租金 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 其實跟房客來比 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 一定是算很多 |
| 00:04:13,000 | 00:04:17,000 | 因為我們在這裡本身要跟你討論的 |
| 00:04:17,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 現在未來的就是抽 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 它有辦法去那裡 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 第二點就是它的租金 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:29,000 | 在咖哩市這個地方 |
| 00:04:29,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 你要用租金和台北幣 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 和客戶化的租金 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 這對咖哩市人 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 我們是用在地的租金 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 不是台北的租金 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 那時候就是有人說這個 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 你要知道有這個問題的存在 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 所以你可以 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 地方的管理和租金 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:57,000 | 說實在 如果太貴 |
| 00:04:57,000 | 00:05:00,000 | 地方的弱勢也沒有資料 |
| 00:05:00,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 是 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:04,000 | 所以在這裡的過程當中 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 我要當市長 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:07,000 | 請問說 |
| 00:05:07,000 | 00:05:11,000 | 我們的安寮社會住宅 |
| 00:05:11,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 到現在有什麼動作嗎 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 到現在去到怎樣 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:19,000 | 在本身我所了解的 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 一定是滿十倍的 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 我告訴你這個案件 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 現在就是企圖的事情 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:31,000 | 還有在處理 |
| 00:05:31,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 不過現在已經跟國務處也到三個月 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 現在已經跟國務處也到三個月 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 應該是慢慢的進行 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 現在是說 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:42,000 | 現在沒有進行 |
| 00:05:42,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 一樣說在那裡用保範蓋 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 我覺得不管是誰來 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 用去的時候 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 我們的中央要學會 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:57,000 | 要怎麼去 |
| 00:05:57,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 租宿宅可以放那裡的土 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:03,000 | 到現在沒有資源 |
| 00:06:03,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 我真的無法想像 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 得來不易的社會住宅 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:10,000 | 結果放在那裡的時候 |
| 00:06:10,000 | 00:06:13,000 | 我知道東西也貴 |
| 00:06:13,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 我們的工資也難購 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:17,000 | 這都是廢物 |
| 00:06:17,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 不過在這個過程當中 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 我們要趕緊 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 跟他們去怎樣找 |
| 00:06:24,000 | 00:06:26,000 | 可以放在那裡的土 |
| 00:06:26,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 是 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:29,000 | 我覺得都沒有用 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 如果放在那裡 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:33,000 | 還要解決的時候 |
| 00:06:33,000 | 00:06:35,000 | 這樣就很慘了 |
| 00:06:35,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 現在因為都有通案處理 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:38,000 | 因為專門台灣很多 |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 所以都有一家一家 |
| 00:06:40,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 現在已經比之前好很多 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 這家應該回去 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 趕快來 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 積極的來處理這個案子 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:48,000 | 因為我覺得 |
| 00:06:48,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 不管東地 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 我相信我們沒有什麼分寸 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 這是我們的年輕人 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 還是弱勢的 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:06:58,000 | 我們的領略範圍可以 |
| 00:06:58,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 再來照顧 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 不過實在的 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:03,000 | 我看要去的 |
| 00:07:03,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 有種在應對路還是一圈 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:09,000 | 在破壞的路兩段還是一圈 |
| 00:07:09,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 在高雄路拆一圈 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 我們看起來很高興 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:17,000 | 但是到目前為止 |
| 00:07:17,000 | 00:07:19,000 | 不知道當時要完成 |
| 00:07:19,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 不知道 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 我們現在回去 |
| 00:07:22,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 趕快把這個處理好 |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 再跟委員報告 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 你算趕快回去 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:30,000 | 還可以處理好嗎 |
| 00:07:30,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 開會開完才可以回去 |
| 00:07:31,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 現在不能回去 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:33,000 | 對啦 |
| 00:07:33,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 你說我們開會之後 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 你要回去趕快去做 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:40,000 | 因為我知道這個問題 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 一定存在很久了 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 所以當時本事要跟你說的就是 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 我們的家裔 |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 我們有的企業 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 就不會五百戶 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 家裔養三個娘 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 總共要五百戶 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 因為要五百戶 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 不是應用五百戶的人 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 是應用五百戶裡面的人 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:11,000 | 這是非常重要 |
| 00:08:11,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 所以當時本事要跟你說 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 如果我們有盤點 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 有種子的時候 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:20,000 | 在日升階也有一個 |
| 00:08:20,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 像你們剛才 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:23,000 | 我們的署長說 |
| 00:08:23,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 跟地方如果買英國的配合 |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 是這樣的嗎 |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 來 董事長 |
| 00:08:30,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 如果地方的政府 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:33,000 | 他想要去 |
| 00:08:33,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 要怎麼處理 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:36,000 | 委員報告 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 這也是要來政府給我們支持 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 因為我們國家主流中心 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 就是政府給我們支持 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 就一堆 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 我們就下去處理 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 只要說政府不支持 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 我們就絕對會做 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 來 這樣 署長 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 現在董事長說 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 你們如果支持他就會做了 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 在這個過程當中 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:57,000 | 說實在 |
| 00:08:57,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 沒有家人很感慨 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 去做的時候 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 當時 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:05,000 | 處處要來我們管理也不知道 |
| 00:09:05,000 | 00:09:07,000 | 所以我們中央的美意 |
| 00:09:07,000 | 00:09:11,000 | 跟地方的政府的協助 |
| 00:09:11,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 我們應該要把這個牌子 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:15,000 | 做大 |
| 00:09:15,000 | 00:09:17,000 | 讓大家知道 |
| 00:09:17,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 有機會我們會去抽到 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:21,000 | 署長 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:22,000 | 在這個時候 |
| 00:09:22,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 你說我們都問地方的政府 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 跟我們在請教一下 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 跟市區地方的政府 |
| 00:09:30,000 | 00:09:32,000 | 提供什麼意見 |
| 00:09:32,000 | 00:09:35,000 | 這三個委員會還有想去嗎 |
| 00:09:35,000 | 00:09:37,000 | 來 回答一下 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 如果我們認真打拚 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 我會下去 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:45,000 | 因為沒有家人 |
| 00:09:45,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 做家人 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 真的很辛苦 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:49,000 | 各位報告 |
| 00:09:49,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 地方都會提出需求 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:53,000 | 當然我自己也會去判斷 |
| 00:09:53,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 我知道你已經說了 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 地方的需求 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:10:00,000 | 我現在問自己去 |
| 00:10:00,000 | 00:10:02,000 | 自己去其實這方面 |
| 00:10:02,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 我也會去跟他們討論 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:05,000 | 看他們的需求 |
| 00:10:05,000 | 00:10:07,000 | 我們有一個專業的評估 |
| 00:10:07,000 | 00:10:08,000 | 會給他們建議 |
| 00:10:08,000 | 00:10:09,000 | 我也會評估地點 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 這部分我們會來協助 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:13,000 | 你們會來協助 |
| 00:10:13,000 | 00:10:15,000 | 因為我覺得地方 |
| 00:10:15,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 你也要協助他們 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:19,000 | 因為實在在地方 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 政府的時候 |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:22,000 | 他找地方 |
| 00:10:22,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 很好找 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:25,000 | 我們也知道 |
| 00:10:25,000 | 00:10:27,000 | 八成的需求是什麼 |
| 00:10:27,000 | 00:10:29,000 | 所以署長 |
| 00:10:29,000 | 00:10:31,000 | 在本社交流探討 |
| 00:10:31,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 這裡的時候 |
| 00:10:32,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 我們也跟旅行社會住宅也好 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:37,000 | 婚姻宅也好 |
| 00:10:37,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 會當高端 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:40,000 | 好好學習 |
| 00:10:40,000 | 00:10:41,000 | 年輕人 |
| 00:10:41,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 跟要結婚的人 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:45,000 | 有一個父母也有一個女兒 |
| 00:10:45,000 | 00:10:47,000 | 好 |