| IVOD_ID |
170938 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170938 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-36,35-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-12T10:35:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-12T10:50:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/628bd009efdbf44b4593985649f5747c2ae46e7b2979c5a473231451c13a983d01cee844413abcda5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:35:49 - 10:50:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、繼續併案審查行政院函請審議「陸海空軍刑法第二十四條條文修正草案」等10案。
二、併案審查行政院函請審議「陸海空軍刑法第五十四條條文修正草案」等25案。
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來做詢答 |
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謝謝主席 麻煩副部長還有我們秦次事 |
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助理次長 |
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來 副部長 還有助理次長 |
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黃委員好 |
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早 |
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那我先講一個題外話啦 |
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其實我們這一個 |
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24條 |
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拍攝影片向中共以及中共解放軍效忠的修法案 |
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其實本席在一月份已經來這邊做過提案說明 |
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那從一月份到現在一直無法處理 放到現在 |
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43.88 |
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剛才在討論有關逐生或者是造成軍事上的損害 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
43.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
44.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
坦白講 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
44.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
48.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
包含陳永康委員 幫我們在場所有的國軍將領 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
49.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
51.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
誰不知道自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
51.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
54.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
向著五星旗向解放軍表達效忠 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
54.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
56.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
然後做不抵抗 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
56.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
58.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
這是違法的 這是對不起國家的 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
59.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
61.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
所以我贊成剛才沈柏陽委員所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
61.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
63.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
把那個定義弄清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
63.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
64.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
否則我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
64.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
67.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
中共對我們國軍的滲透 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
67.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
68.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
小型借貸 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
68.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
70.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
買你蝦皮帳號 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
70.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
72.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
它其實目的不在錢也不在帳號 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
72.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
75.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
它透過掌握你 你怕被長官知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
75.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
78.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
它就可以恐嚇你 叫你把文件拿出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
78.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
81.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
很多人很難理解說 怎麼為了3萬塊出賣國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
81.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
83.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
怎麼為了5千塊錢成為共諜 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
83.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
84.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
其實在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
85.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
87.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
它知道自己做錯事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
87.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
88.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
怕被長官知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
88.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
89.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
就一步一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
89.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
91.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
進到那個陷阱裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
91.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
92.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
而不自拔 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
93.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
95.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
我們馬祖東引 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
95.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
96.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
一百多個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
98.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
101.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
如果我們國軍的軍官士官士兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
101.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
104.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
拍了向中共效忠的引帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
104.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
106.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
這個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
106.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
108.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
被中共掌握住了 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
109.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
110.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
我們不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
111.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
112.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
當發生戰事的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
112.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
114.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
它負責控制武器 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
114.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
116.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
它負責C2戰管指揮 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
117.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
120.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
付出代價是其他奉公守法 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
120.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
121.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
盡忠職守的國軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
121.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
122.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
所以我相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
122.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
124.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
副部長應該是支持院板 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
124.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
126.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
那個是院跟我們一起提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
126.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
128.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
就是說我們把它定義弄清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
128.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
130.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
但如果你要用逐生 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
130.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
132.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
損害才來罰的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
132.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
134.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
有時候損害完成 國家已經沒了 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
135.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
136.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
應該要嚇阻它 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
136.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
138.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
而且透過這樣的嚇阻 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
138.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
139.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
可以阻卻它更進一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
139.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
141.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
往犯罪的更深層去走 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
141.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
142.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
142.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
145.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
我一開始我剛才聽國民黨委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
145.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
148.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
一直認為說定義不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
148.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
151.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
國軍弟兄會不知道怎麼樣被罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
151.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
153.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
誰不知道向五星旗 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
153.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
155.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
你當國軍建議軍人 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
155.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
157.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
向五星旗效忠 向解放軍效忠 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
157.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
159.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
會不知道這是錯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
159.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
161.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
開什麼玩笑嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
161.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
163.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
那我回來先請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
163.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
165.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
我請示事實上來原因就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
167.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
169.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
昨天中國發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
169.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
172.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
中國發布它要跟印尼海軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
172.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
174.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
在台灣的東部外海 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
174.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
176.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
其實台灣東部外海 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
176.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
177.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
或者叫西太平洋 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
177.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
179.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
加上菲律賓海的北側 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
179.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
180.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
其他範圍很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
180.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
182.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
那個大概就是北馬里亞納島 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
182.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
184.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
關島跟我們台灣之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
184.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
186.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
夾雜著與納國 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
186.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
188.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
夾雜著很多戰略要地 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
188.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
190.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
美國的分散部署在這個位置 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
190.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
192.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
那它說它要在 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
192.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
194.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
台灣的東部海域進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
194.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
196.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
演習 而且是跟印尼 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
196.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
198.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
中國在那個水域進行演習 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
198.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
200.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
我們不意外 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
201.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
203.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
我們這次漢光42號 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
203.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
205.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
反封鎖拉再運補 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
205.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
207.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
跨境運補 預算艦的模擬 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
207.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
209.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
大概都針對這個科目 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
209.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
211.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
可是因為它拉了印尼 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
211.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
213.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
就值得我們關注了 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
213.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
215.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
我請教國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
215.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
217.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
這是什麼狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
217.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
219.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
這件事情就情勢式的掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
219.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
221.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
這艘船它是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
221.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
223.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
兩千多噸的巡防艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
223.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
225.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
你想這艘船是印尼的 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
225.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
227.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
對 它下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
227.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
229.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
229.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
231.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
它要操作的部分來公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
231.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
233.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
事實上我們掌握到可以公布的 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
233.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
235.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
一個訊息 它從日本那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
235.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
237.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
下來之後 事實上不是光跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
237.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
239.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
中共預劃要做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
239.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
241.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
整個對域的操演 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
241.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
243.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
它事實上跟日本 後續跟美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
243.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
245.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
一路上它都做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
245.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
247.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
這樣的操演 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
247.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
249.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
這一艘船叫來 是護衛艦兩千多噸級 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
249.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
251.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
所以你的講法它從日本往下走 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
251.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
253.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
沿線 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
253.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
255.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
碰到哪一國就跟各國 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
255.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
257.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
engagement互動一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
258.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
260.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
你們掌握狀況是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
260.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
262.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
那它的位置在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
262.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
264.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
它位置在台灣東面 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
264.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
266.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
事實上離我們的臨海鄰接區都很小 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
266.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
268.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
大概離我們的臨海有 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
268.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
270.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
七八十里以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
270.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
272.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
七八十里以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
272.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
274.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
所以有相當距離 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
274.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
276.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
所以它正確的位置應該在西太平洋的位置 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
276.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
278.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
並不是 中國喜歡 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
278.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
280.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
喜歡形成心理動亂 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
280.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
282.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
就說我們東部外海 這是在西太平洋的位置 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
282.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
284.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
因為如果印尼專程去跟中國的 |
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284.52 |
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286.52 |
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那一艘 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
287.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
289.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
中國派出來的這個紅河艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
289.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
291.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
應該是2022年下水的 |
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291.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
293.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
這個054D |
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293.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
295.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
054大概四千噸級 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
295.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
297.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
四千噸級的嘛 |
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297.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
299.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
所以在那個位置它是經過 |
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299.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
301.08 |
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如果是專程去我們就要注意了 |
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301.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
303.08 |
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因為形成印尼的 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
303.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
305.08 |
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印尼將來的角色到底是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
305.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
307.08 |
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因為美軍或者我們的友盟 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
307.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
309.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
跟我們進行反封鎖 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
309.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
311.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
在這個位置 |
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311.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
313.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
那印尼理論上 |
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313.08 |
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315.08 |
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不會跟第七艦隊作對 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
315.64 |
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317.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
跟中國的這個 |
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317.64 |
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319.64 |
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054D在那邊專程軍演的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
319.64 |
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321.64 |
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就值得我們注意 |
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321.64 |
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323.64 |
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所以你剛才掌握到的狀況是 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
323.64 |
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325.64 |
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印尼這艘艦是從日本往下走 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
325.64 |
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327.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
那沿線有跟哪些國家進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
327.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
329.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
所謂的接觸性的互動 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
329.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
331.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
你說美國有 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
331.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
333.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
美國日本然後中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
333.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
335.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
然後就接下來它就反彈回到印尼去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
335.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
337.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
一路上它還有它的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
337.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
339.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
還會到其他地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
339.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
341.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
那這一艘 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
341.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
343.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
護衛艦在每個地方的 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
344.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
346.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
跟各國的軍艦的接觸 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
346.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
348.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
他們印尼的軍方或者 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
348.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
350.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
國防部有沒有公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
350.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
352.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
印尼沒有正式公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
352.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
354.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
它都沒有公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
354.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
356.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
所以目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
356.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
358.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
這一個來跟紅和艦的 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
358.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
360.2 |
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接觸是中國片面宣布出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
360.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
362.2 |
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而且講的好像他們兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
362.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
364.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
專程在那邊軍演一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
364.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
366.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
那我請教國防部跟情勢室 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
366.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
368.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
你們認為他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
368.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
370.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
這個動作在軍事上 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
370.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
372.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
對我們有沒有影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
372.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
374.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
這應該從兩個層面來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
374.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
376.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
如果直接回答委員您的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
376.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
378.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
在軍事上對台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
378.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
380.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
沒有直接影響 |
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380.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
382.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
它的敘事衍生的效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
382.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
384.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
可能會有人有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
384.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
386.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
有地緣政治上的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
386.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
388.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
但是軍事的影響並不直接 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
388.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
390.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
那這敘事上的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
390.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
392.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
就情勢室或國防部目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
392.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
394.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
我們要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
394.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
396.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
其實揭露是一個方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
396.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
398.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
像你剛才揭露很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
398.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
400.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
透明它就一路下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
401.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
403.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
並不是專程跟共軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
403.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
405.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
跟日本海自 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
405.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
407.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
跟美國也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
407.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
409.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
跟美國是什麼樣的船艦進行互動 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
409.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
411.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
這個相關的細節 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
411.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
413.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
我們可以是 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
413.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
415.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
那就這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
415.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
417.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
我們跟印尼方面有沒有互動 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
419.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
421.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
我沒有來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
421.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
423.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
423.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
425.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
那我們跟美方有沒有跟我們進行相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
425.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
427.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
情資的互動 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
427.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
429.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
這都有相關的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
429.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
431.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
美方跟印尼都有相關的消息來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
431.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
433.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
好,那我請 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
433.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
435.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
那個情資先請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
435.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
437.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
我現在請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
437.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
439.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
那個國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
439.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
441.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
我們一直在推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
441.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
443.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
其實我原來推動的並不是全面的軍事院校 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
443.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
445.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
因為陸海空軍大學 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
445.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
447.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
有它軍事學校的規格 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
447.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
449.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
我本來推動是國防大學 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
449.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
451.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
我們在不影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
451.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
453.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
現任的將領執缺以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
453.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
455.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
增設一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
455.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
457.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
文職的副校長 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
458.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
460.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
那這個文職副校長負責學術 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
460.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
462.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
以及校內文職人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
462.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
464.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
教師的相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
464.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
466.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
協調管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
466.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
468.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
那這個在西點、Virginia各校都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
468.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
470.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
那當時國軍也樂見 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
470.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
472.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
因為第一個我們不要影響現有國軍的編制 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
472.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
474.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
那在國防大學 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
474.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
476.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
裡面有國管院 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
476.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
478.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
有相關的不管是政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
478.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
480.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
或者法律相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
480.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
482.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
我們有一個文職副校長 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
482.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
484.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
對於國防大學整個職的提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
484.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
486.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
學術部分的強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
那我希望每一個國軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
軍官訓練出來都是文武雙全 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
當時我得到消息你們樂見 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
後來我們在7月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
在立法院這種無限延會的長度下 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
我們7月份本來要審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
501 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
那我看媒體報導的消息是 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
501 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
503 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
國防部在6月17 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
503 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
行政公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
你們要把軍事教育條例第8條修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
所以叫我們等你們一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
說7月份會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
進行相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
515.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
517.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
那我可以等你們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
517.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
519.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
不版的方案出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
519.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
521.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
但現在已經到8月份了 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
521.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
523.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
現在進度到底到哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
523.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
525.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
因為上次委員交代完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
525.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
527.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
其實部長回去就做了 |
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527.56 |
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529.56 |
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請我們做了相關的研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
529.56 |
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531.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
那確實也認為說有關 |
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531.56 |
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533.56 |
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軍事院下的副校長 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
533.56 |
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535.56 |
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就做了兩個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
535.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
537.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
那一個部分是有關軍事院校的副校長 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
537.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
539.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
專責他軍事教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
539.56 |
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541.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
對我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
541.56 |
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543.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
那另外一個是學術的文職的副校長 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
544.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
546.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
那有關相關的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
546.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
548.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
對沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
548.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
550.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
那個參謀可以上來幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
550.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
552.12 |
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我現在是問進度啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
552.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
554.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
因為本來我們7月份教 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
554.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
556.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
因為這個沒有人反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
556.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
558.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
我看起來各黨派都沒有人反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
558.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
560.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
應該修法通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
560.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
562.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
我們增設一個文職副校長 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
562.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
564.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
對國防大學是個好事情嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
564.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
566.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
那後來說要等你們不版的 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
566.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
568.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
那等到現在8月中了耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
568.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
570.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
你們現在到底進度怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
570.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
572.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
是包委員那個有關相關的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
572.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
574.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
那根據這些規則的審議跟承報 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
574.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
576.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
我們會 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
576.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
578.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
我們已經報到行政院的法規會 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
578.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
580.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
我們來做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
580.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
582.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
這個程序上的實質審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
582.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
584.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
你們的版本跟我的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
584.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
586.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
大概差異就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
586.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
588.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
我是在國防大學嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
588.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
590.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
你們是涵蓋到三軍院校嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
590.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
592.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
差異在這裡而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
592.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
594.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
那你們現在報到院裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
594.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
596.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
還在停在那邊停很久了耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
596.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
598.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
是我們一直在持續的 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
598.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
600.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
跟院方來做溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
601.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
603.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
能夠盡快的講這個法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
603.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
605.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
605.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
607.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
這個案子其實是有共識的 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
607.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
609.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
你們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
609.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
611.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
正確來講你們的版本有涵蓋我的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
611.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
613.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
所以我的版本通過並不會跟你有所和格嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
613.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
615.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
幾乎是一樣嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
615.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
617.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
那與其在那邊等 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
617.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
619.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
能不能就我們提案的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
619.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
621.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
進行修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
621.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
623.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
符合部裡面的要求讓它通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
623.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
625.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
還是你們現在一定要等到院裡面送出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
625.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
627.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
那都不送 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
627.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
629.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
這個案子就一直沒辦法處理啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
629.8 |
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631.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
因為過去這幾年 |
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631.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
633.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
我們國防大學軍事院校 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
633.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
635.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
確實有發生過一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
635.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
637.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
這個文職人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
637.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
639.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
就是文職的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
639.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
641.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
跟軍事管理之間一些大大小小的摩擦 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
641.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
643.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
我相信那個中副部長你也知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
643.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
645.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
那那個摩擦是沒必要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
645.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
647.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
那我們到底適用大學法 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
647.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
649.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
我們也適用軍事院校 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
649.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
651.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
其他是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
651.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
653.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
軍事院校有它的特殊性 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
653.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
655.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
所以現在你們如果不能吹 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
655.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
657.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
院版快一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
658.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
660.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
這個版本一直等 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
660.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
662.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
這樣遙遙無期 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
662.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
664.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
不好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
664.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
666.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
是那個會後我們在將最新狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
666.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
668.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
完整的了解之後再跟委員做報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
668.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
670.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
所以你們現在沒有完整了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
670.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
672.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
不是,就是我剛才目前掌握的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
672.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
674.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
已經多等快兩個月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
674.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
676.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
617到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
676.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
678.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
進度不要這樣一拖再拖啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
678.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
680.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
這樣不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
680.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
682.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
主席站起來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
682.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
684.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
我最後一點點時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
684.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
686.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
又看到一個小艇跑進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
686.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
688.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
我先請教中副部長,你以前在陸軍司令嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
688.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
690.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
那現在就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
690.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
692.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
我們看到這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
692.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
694.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
這一個動力橡皮艇 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
694.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
696.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
上面有三件救生衣 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
696.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
698.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
可是我們隔了幾天 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
698.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
700.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
逮捕只抓到兩個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
700.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
702.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
那這兩個人登岸之後很有意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
702.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
704.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
徒步走了幾十公里 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
704.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
706.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
往桃園去 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
706.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
708.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
那在漢光演習前夕 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
708.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
710.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
發生這個事情 |
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710.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
712.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
就軍事上的意義來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
712.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
714.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
這些突擊艇或者小艇快艇 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
715.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
717.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
在我們套上我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
717.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
719.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
可登陸的海灘水域 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
719.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
721.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
從2024年到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
721.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
723.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
如果再加上金門馬祖其實會更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
723.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
725.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
發生了10次左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
725.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
727.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
這種單人或雙人的小艇 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
727.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
729.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
來到我們的水域 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
729.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
731.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
我不認為這單純只有海巡署的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
731.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
733.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
我們淡水河口淡水大營 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
733.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
735.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
那個負責我們衛須首都啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
735.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
737.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
台中港那個其實影響到行政卸載 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
737.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
739.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
也是反侵略很重要的部分 |
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739.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
741.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
那現在我們看到 |
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741.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
743.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
我們看到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
744.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
746.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
反侵略很重要的部分 |
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746.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
748.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
你們的判斷 |
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748.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
750.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
這些小艇 |
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750.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
752.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
這些登陸在軍事上 |
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752.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
754.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
他們有什麼意圖 |
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754.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
756.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
然後你們有什麼樣的精進的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
756.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
758.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
第一個部分跟委員回答是 |
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758.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
760.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
有關這一個淡水河確實是 |
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760.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
762.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
敵人滲透透光突襲非常重要的一個 |
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762.04 |
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764.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
一個途徑 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
764.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
766.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
那有這樣的一個中國小艇入侵 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
766.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
768.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
就軍事上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
768.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
770.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
這個研判來說我們必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
770.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
772.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
非常謹慎的去檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
772.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
774.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
利用小艇來滲透透光突襲 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
774.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
776.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
他的太陽以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
776.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
778.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
他可能也在試探我們的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
778.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
780.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
反應的一個能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
780.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
782.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
以及我們有關情緘真的這個作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
782.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
784.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
那這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
784.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
786.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
我們會跟海巡署在密切做一個協調聯絡 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
786.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
788.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
那第二個部分就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
788.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
790.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
他從登陸之後再到紅色海灘 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
790.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
792.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
去做一個踏勘所以我們從這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
792.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
794.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
去檢討他也實際在 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
794.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
796.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
你們認為他們有在踏勘紅色海灘 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
796.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
798.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
對因為這個部分可能就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
798.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
800.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
801.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
803.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
必須要經過正式的一個法律的詢問了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
803.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
805.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
這兩位據說有 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
805.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
807.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
對中國的海警或者武警的背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
807.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
809.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
確實海警跟武警在戰時 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
809.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
811.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
他是他的一個武裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
811.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
813.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
所以他們有這個背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
813.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
815.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
那時候我們也不排除他到紅色海灘的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
815.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
817.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
是實際踏勘他們如果後續 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
817.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
819.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
真正做大規模的正規 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
819.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
821.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
飛針跟登陸的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
821.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
823.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
他一路往桃園會經過很多要地 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
823.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
825.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
林口台地啊一直往下走 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
825.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
827.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
到觀音這個其實都是重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
827.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
829.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
登陸點啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
829.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
831.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
桃園的這個保守座跟海國海灘確實是敵人 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
831.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
833.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
正規登陸最主要的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
833.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
835.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
這兩位有海警武警背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
835.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
837.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
他們進行紅色海灘的踏勘 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
837.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
839.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
那他們是三個還兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
839.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
841.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
現在只抓到兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
841.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
843.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
後續我們要掌握看看後續 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
843.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
844.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
844.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
846.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
就不要認為這只是海巡 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
846.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
848.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
因為海巡坦白講預算過得太慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
848.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
850.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
他們的勤政系統確實有漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
850.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
852.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
空中的巡視的力量不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
852.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
854.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
我認為這是要把它視為 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
854.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
856.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
我們國防整體體系的一環 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
856.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
858.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
該補上漏洞要補上漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
858.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
860.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
小部隊突襲 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
860.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
862.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
在面對第一級的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
862.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
864.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
那個可能是配合在台灣的第五重隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
864.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
866.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
是我們國軍遇到最困難的 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
866.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
868.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
最前面的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
868.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
870.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
所以有關這個突擊的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
870.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
872.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
我們未來會繼續追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
872.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
874.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
好謝謝副部長 |