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王定宇 @ 第11屆第5會期司法及法制、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:01,000 | 來做詢答 |
| 00:00:09,400 | 00:00:13,160 | 謝謝主席 麻煩副部長還有我們秦次事 |
| 00:00:13,240 | 00:00:14,240 | 助理次長 |
| 00:00:14,240 | 00:00:17,080 | 來 副部長 還有助理次長 |
| 00:00:17,880 | 00:00:18,960 | 黃委員好 |
| 00:00:18,960 | 00:00:19,800 | 早 |
| 00:00:21,400 | 00:00:22,800 | 那我先講一個題外話啦 |
| 00:00:22,800 | 00:00:24,640 | 其實我們這一個 |
| 00:00:24,640 | 00:00:26,120 | 24條 |
| 00:00:26,360 | 00:00:31,600 | 拍攝影片向中共以及中共解放軍效忠的修法案 |
| 00:00:31,600 | 00:00:34,880 | 其實本席在一月份已經來這邊做過提案說明 |
| 00:00:34,880 | 00:00:38,480 | 那從一月份到現在一直無法處理 放到現在 |
| 00:00:38,480 | 00:00:43,880 | 剛才在討論有關逐生或者是造成軍事上的損害 |
| 00:00:43,880 | 00:00:44,840 | 坦白講 |
| 00:00:44,840 | 00:00:48,240 | 包含陳永康委員 幫我們在場所有的國軍將領 |
| 00:00:49,600 | 00:00:51,600 | 誰不知道自己 |
| 00:00:51,600 | 00:00:54,840 | 向著五星旗向解放軍表達效忠 |
| 00:00:54,880 | 00:00:56,880 | 然後做不抵抗 |
| 00:00:56,880 | 00:00:58,880 | 這是違法的 這是對不起國家的 |
| 00:00:59,960 | 00:01:01,960 | 所以我贊成剛才沈柏陽委員所說的 |
| 00:01:01,960 | 00:01:03,480 | 把那個定義弄清楚 |
| 00:01:03,480 | 00:01:04,680 | 否則我們現在 |
| 00:01:04,680 | 00:01:07,080 | 中共對我們國軍的滲透 |
| 00:01:07,080 | 00:01:08,360 | 小型借貸 |
| 00:01:08,360 | 00:01:10,080 | 買你蝦皮帳號 |
| 00:01:10,080 | 00:01:12,360 | 它其實目的不在錢也不在帳號 |
| 00:01:12,360 | 00:01:15,360 | 它透過掌握你 你怕被長官知道 |
| 00:01:15,360 | 00:01:18,080 | 它就可以恐嚇你 叫你把文件拿出來 |
| 00:01:18,080 | 00:01:21,320 | 很多人很難理解說 怎麼為了3萬塊出賣國家 |
| 00:01:21,320 | 00:01:23,600 | 怎麼為了5千塊錢成為共諜 |
| 00:01:23,600 | 00:01:24,800 | 其實在這裡 |
| 00:01:25,039 | 00:01:27,039 | 它知道自己做錯事情 |
| 00:01:27,039 | 00:01:28,600 | 怕被長官知道 |
| 00:01:28,600 | 00:01:29,800 | 就一步一步 |
| 00:01:29,800 | 00:01:31,320 | 進到那個陷阱裡面 |
| 00:01:31,320 | 00:01:32,320 | 而不自拔 |
| 00:01:33,320 | 00:01:35,320 | 我們馬祖東引 |
| 00:01:35,320 | 00:01:36,840 | 一百多個人 |
| 00:01:38,240 | 00:01:41,960 | 如果我們國軍的軍官士官士兵 |
| 00:01:41,960 | 00:01:44,840 | 拍了向中共效忠的引帶 |
| 00:01:44,840 | 00:01:46,400 | 這個人 |
| 00:01:46,400 | 00:01:48,400 | 被中共掌握住了 |
| 00:01:49,400 | 00:01:50,400 | 我們不知道 |
| 00:01:51,200 | 00:01:52,640 | 當發生戰事的時候 |
| 00:01:52,640 | 00:01:54,160 | 它負責控制武器 |
| 00:01:54,160 | 00:01:56,679 | 它負責C2戰管指揮 |
| 00:01:57,679 | 00:02:00,160 | 付出代價是其他奉公守法 |
| 00:02:00,160 | 00:02:01,800 | 盡忠職守的國軍 |
| 00:02:01,800 | 00:02:02,800 | 所以我相信 |
| 00:02:02,800 | 00:02:04,800 | 副部長應該是支持院板 |
| 00:02:04,800 | 00:02:06,800 | 那個是院跟我們一起提出來的 |
| 00:02:06,800 | 00:02:08,800 | 就是說我們把它定義弄清楚 |
| 00:02:08,800 | 00:02:10,800 | 但如果你要用逐生 |
| 00:02:10,800 | 00:02:12,560 | 損害才來罰的話 |
| 00:02:12,560 | 00:02:14,560 | 有時候損害完成 國家已經沒了 |
| 00:02:15,240 | 00:02:16,640 | 應該要嚇阻它 |
| 00:02:16,640 | 00:02:18,040 | 而且透過這樣的嚇阻 |
| 00:02:18,040 | 00:02:19,800 | 可以阻卻它更進一步 |
| 00:02:19,800 | 00:02:21,800 | 往犯罪的更深層去走 |
| 00:02:21,800 | 00:02:22,720 | 這個是 |
| 00:02:22,760 | 00:02:25,280 | 我一開始我剛才聽國民黨委員 |
| 00:02:25,280 | 00:02:28,280 | 一直認為說定義不清楚 |
| 00:02:28,280 | 00:02:31,280 | 國軍弟兄會不知道怎麼樣被罰 |
| 00:02:31,280 | 00:02:33,280 | 誰不知道向五星旗 |
| 00:02:33,280 | 00:02:35,280 | 你當國軍建議軍人 |
| 00:02:35,280 | 00:02:37,280 | 向五星旗效忠 向解放軍效忠 |
| 00:02:37,280 | 00:02:39,280 | 會不知道這是錯的 |
| 00:02:39,280 | 00:02:41,280 | 開什麼玩笑嘛 |
| 00:02:41,280 | 00:02:43,280 | 那我回來先請教 |
| 00:02:43,280 | 00:02:45,280 | 我請示事實上來原因就是 |
| 00:02:47,280 | 00:02:49,280 | 昨天中國發布 |
| 00:02:49,280 | 00:02:52,280 | 中國發布它要跟印尼海軍 |
| 00:02:52,840 | 00:02:54,840 | 在台灣的東部外海 |
| 00:02:54,840 | 00:02:56,840 | 其實台灣東部外海 |
| 00:02:56,840 | 00:02:57,840 | 或者叫西太平洋 |
| 00:02:57,840 | 00:02:59,840 | 加上菲律賓海的北側 |
| 00:02:59,840 | 00:03:00,840 | 其他範圍很大 |
| 00:03:00,840 | 00:03:02,840 | 那個大概就是北馬里亞納島 |
| 00:03:02,840 | 00:03:04,840 | 關島跟我們台灣之間 |
| 00:03:04,840 | 00:03:06,840 | 夾雜著與納國 |
| 00:03:06,840 | 00:03:08,840 | 夾雜著很多戰略要地 |
| 00:03:08,840 | 00:03:10,840 | 美國的分散部署在這個位置 |
| 00:03:10,840 | 00:03:12,840 | 那它說它要在 |
| 00:03:12,840 | 00:03:14,840 | 台灣的東部海域進行 |
| 00:03:14,840 | 00:03:16,840 | 演習 而且是跟印尼 |
| 00:03:16,840 | 00:03:18,840 | 中國在那個水域進行演習 |
| 00:03:18,840 | 00:03:20,840 | 我們不意外 |
| 00:03:21,400 | 00:03:23,400 | 我們這次漢光42號 |
| 00:03:23,400 | 00:03:25,400 | 反封鎖拉再運補 |
| 00:03:25,400 | 00:03:27,400 | 跨境運補 預算艦的模擬 |
| 00:03:27,400 | 00:03:29,400 | 大概都針對這個科目 |
| 00:03:29,400 | 00:03:31,400 | 可是因為它拉了印尼 |
| 00:03:31,400 | 00:03:33,400 | 就值得我們關注了 |
| 00:03:33,400 | 00:03:35,400 | 我請教國防部 |
| 00:03:35,400 | 00:03:37,400 | 這是什麼狀況 |
| 00:03:37,400 | 00:03:39,400 | 這件事情就情勢式的掌握 |
| 00:03:39,400 | 00:03:41,400 | 這艘船它是一個 |
| 00:03:41,400 | 00:03:43,400 | 兩千多噸的巡防艦 |
| 00:03:43,400 | 00:03:45,400 | 你想這艘船是印尼的 |
| 00:03:45,400 | 00:03:47,400 | 對 它下來 |
| 00:03:47,400 | 00:03:49,400 | 事實上 |
| 00:03:49,960 | 00:03:51,960 | 它要操作的部分來公布 |
| 00:03:51,960 | 00:03:53,960 | 事實上我們掌握到可以公布的 |
| 00:03:53,960 | 00:03:55,960 | 一個訊息 它從日本那邊 |
| 00:03:55,960 | 00:03:57,960 | 下來之後 事實上不是光跟 |
| 00:03:57,960 | 00:03:59,960 | 中共預劃要做一個 |
| 00:03:59,960 | 00:04:01,960 | 整個對域的操演 |
| 00:04:01,960 | 00:04:03,960 | 它事實上跟日本 後續跟美國 |
| 00:04:03,960 | 00:04:05,960 | 一路上它都做了 |
| 00:04:05,960 | 00:04:07,960 | 這樣的操演 |
| 00:04:07,960 | 00:04:09,960 | 這一艘船叫來 是護衛艦兩千多噸級 |
| 00:04:09,960 | 00:04:11,960 | 所以你的講法它從日本往下走 |
| 00:04:11,960 | 00:04:13,960 | 沿線 |
| 00:04:13,960 | 00:04:15,960 | 碰到哪一國就跟各國 |
| 00:04:15,960 | 00:04:17,960 | engagement互動一下 |
| 00:04:18,519 | 00:04:20,519 | 你們掌握狀況是這樣子 |
| 00:04:20,519 | 00:04:22,520 | 那它的位置在哪裡 |
| 00:04:22,520 | 00:04:24,520 | 它位置在台灣東面 |
| 00:04:24,520 | 00:04:26,520 | 事實上離我們的臨海鄰接區都很小 |
| 00:04:26,520 | 00:04:28,520 | 大概離我們的臨海有 |
| 00:04:28,520 | 00:04:30,520 | 七八十里以上 |
| 00:04:30,520 | 00:04:32,520 | 七八十里以上 |
| 00:04:32,520 | 00:04:34,520 | 所以有相當距離 |
| 00:04:34,520 | 00:04:36,520 | 所以它正確的位置應該在西太平洋的位置 |
| 00:04:36,520 | 00:04:38,520 | 並不是 中國喜歡 |
| 00:04:38,520 | 00:04:40,520 | 喜歡形成心理動亂 |
| 00:04:40,520 | 00:04:42,520 | 就說我們東部外海 這是在西太平洋的位置 |
| 00:04:42,520 | 00:04:44,520 | 因為如果印尼專程去跟中國的 |
| 00:04:44,520 | 00:04:46,520 | 那一艘 |
| 00:04:47,080 | 00:04:49,080 | 中國派出來的這個紅河艦 |
| 00:04:49,080 | 00:04:51,080 | 應該是2022年下水的 |
| 00:04:51,080 | 00:04:53,080 | 這個054D |
| 00:04:53,080 | 00:04:55,080 | 054大概四千噸級 |
| 00:04:55,080 | 00:04:57,080 | 四千噸級的嘛 |
| 00:04:57,080 | 00:04:59,080 | 所以在那個位置它是經過 |
| 00:04:59,080 | 00:05:01,080 | 如果是專程去我們就要注意了 |
| 00:05:01,080 | 00:05:03,080 | 因為形成印尼的 |
| 00:05:03,080 | 00:05:05,080 | 印尼將來的角色到底是什麼 |
| 00:05:05,080 | 00:05:07,080 | 因為美軍或者我們的友盟 |
| 00:05:07,080 | 00:05:09,080 | 跟我們進行反封鎖 |
| 00:05:09,080 | 00:05:11,080 | 在這個位置 |
| 00:05:11,080 | 00:05:13,080 | 那印尼理論上 |
| 00:05:13,080 | 00:05:15,080 | 不會跟第七艦隊作對 |
| 00:05:15,640 | 00:05:17,640 | 跟中國的這個 |
| 00:05:17,640 | 00:05:19,640 | 054D在那邊專程軍演的話 |
| 00:05:19,640 | 00:05:21,640 | 就值得我們注意 |
| 00:05:21,640 | 00:05:23,640 | 所以你剛才掌握到的狀況是 |
| 00:05:23,640 | 00:05:25,640 | 印尼這艘艦是從日本往下走 |
| 00:05:25,640 | 00:05:27,640 | 那沿線有跟哪些國家進行 |
| 00:05:27,640 | 00:05:29,640 | 所謂的接觸性的互動 |
| 00:05:29,640 | 00:05:31,640 | 你說美國有 |
| 00:05:31,640 | 00:05:33,640 | 美國日本然後中國 |
| 00:05:33,640 | 00:05:35,640 | 然後就接下來它就反彈回到印尼去了 |
| 00:05:35,640 | 00:05:37,640 | 一路上它還有它的規劃 |
| 00:05:37,640 | 00:05:39,640 | 還會到其他地方 |
| 00:05:39,640 | 00:05:41,640 | 那這一艘 |
| 00:05:41,640 | 00:05:43,640 | 護衛艦在每個地方的 |
| 00:05:44,200 | 00:05:46,200 | 跟各國的軍艦的接觸 |
| 00:05:46,200 | 00:05:48,200 | 他們印尼的軍方或者 |
| 00:05:48,200 | 00:05:50,200 | 國防部有沒有公布 |
| 00:05:50,200 | 00:05:52,200 | 印尼沒有正式公布 |
| 00:05:52,200 | 00:05:54,200 | 它都沒有公布 |
| 00:05:54,200 | 00:05:56,200 | 所以目前為止 |
| 00:05:56,200 | 00:05:58,200 | 這一個來跟紅和艦的 |
| 00:05:58,200 | 00:06:00,200 | 接觸是中國片面宣布出來的 |
| 00:06:00,200 | 00:06:02,200 | 而且講的好像他們兩個 |
| 00:06:02,200 | 00:06:04,200 | 專程在那邊軍演一樣 |
| 00:06:04,200 | 00:06:06,200 | 那我請教國防部跟情勢室 |
| 00:06:06,200 | 00:06:08,200 | 你們認為他們 |
| 00:06:08,200 | 00:06:10,200 | 這個動作在軍事上 |
| 00:06:10,200 | 00:06:12,200 | 對我們有沒有影響 |
| 00:06:12,760 | 00:06:14,760 | 這應該從兩個層面來說 |
| 00:06:14,760 | 00:06:16,760 | 如果直接回答委員您的問題 |
| 00:06:16,760 | 00:06:18,760 | 在軍事上對台灣 |
| 00:06:18,760 | 00:06:20,760 | 沒有直接影響 |
| 00:06:20,760 | 00:06:22,760 | 它的敘事衍生的效應 |
| 00:06:22,760 | 00:06:24,760 | 可能會有人有一些 |
| 00:06:24,760 | 00:06:26,760 | 有地緣政治上的影響 |
| 00:06:26,760 | 00:06:28,760 | 但是軍事的影響並不直接 |
| 00:06:28,760 | 00:06:30,760 | 那這敘事上的影響 |
| 00:06:30,760 | 00:06:32,760 | 就情勢室或國防部目前 |
| 00:06:32,760 | 00:06:34,760 | 我們要做 |
| 00:06:34,760 | 00:06:36,760 | 其實揭露是一個方式 |
| 00:06:36,760 | 00:06:38,760 | 像你剛才揭露很好 |
| 00:06:38,760 | 00:06:40,760 | 透明它就一路下來 |
| 00:06:41,320 | 00:06:43,320 | 並不是專程跟共軍 |
| 00:06:43,320 | 00:06:45,320 | 跟日本海自 |
| 00:06:45,320 | 00:06:47,320 | 跟美國也有 |
| 00:06:47,320 | 00:06:49,320 | 跟美國是什麼樣的船艦進行互動 |
| 00:06:49,320 | 00:06:51,320 | 這個相關的細節 |
| 00:06:51,320 | 00:06:53,320 | 我們可以是 |
| 00:06:53,320 | 00:06:55,320 | 那就這件事情 |
| 00:06:55,320 | 00:06:57,320 | 我們跟印尼方面有沒有互動 |
| 00:06:59,320 | 00:07:01,320 | 我沒有來源 |
| 00:07:01,320 | 00:07:03,320 | OK |
| 00:07:03,320 | 00:07:05,320 | 那我們跟美方有沒有跟我們進行相關的 |
| 00:07:05,320 | 00:07:07,320 | 情資的互動 |
| 00:07:07,320 | 00:07:09,320 | 這都有相關的來源 |
| 00:07:09,880 | 00:07:11,880 | 美方跟印尼都有相關的消息來源 |
| 00:07:11,880 | 00:07:13,880 | 好,那我請 |
| 00:07:13,880 | 00:07:15,880 | 那個情資先請回 |
| 00:07:15,880 | 00:07:17,880 | 我現在請教一下 |
| 00:07:17,880 | 00:07:19,880 | 那個國防部 |
| 00:07:19,880 | 00:07:21,880 | 我們一直在推動 |
| 00:07:21,880 | 00:07:23,880 | 其實我原來推動的並不是全面的軍事院校 |
| 00:07:23,880 | 00:07:25,880 | 因為陸海空軍大學 |
| 00:07:25,880 | 00:07:27,880 | 有它軍事學校的規格 |
| 00:07:27,880 | 00:07:29,880 | 我本來推動是國防大學 |
| 00:07:29,880 | 00:07:31,880 | 我們在不影響 |
| 00:07:31,880 | 00:07:33,880 | 現任的將領執缺以外 |
| 00:07:33,880 | 00:07:35,880 | 增設一個 |
| 00:07:35,880 | 00:07:37,880 | 文職的副校長 |
| 00:07:38,440 | 00:07:40,440 | 那這個文職副校長負責學術 |
| 00:07:40,440 | 00:07:42,440 | 以及校內文職人員 |
| 00:07:42,440 | 00:07:44,440 | 教師的相關的 |
| 00:07:44,440 | 00:07:46,440 | 協調管理 |
| 00:07:46,440 | 00:07:48,440 | 那這個在西點、Virginia各校都有 |
| 00:07:48,440 | 00:07:50,440 | 那當時國軍也樂見 |
| 00:07:50,440 | 00:07:52,440 | 因為第一個我們不要影響現有國軍的編制 |
| 00:07:52,440 | 00:07:54,440 | 那在國防大學 |
| 00:07:54,440 | 00:07:56,440 | 裡面有國管院 |
| 00:07:56,440 | 00:07:58,440 | 有相關的不管是政院 |
| 00:07:58,440 | 00:08:00,440 | 或者法律相關的 |
| 00:08:00,440 | 00:08:02,440 | 我們有一個文職副校長 |
| 00:08:02,440 | 00:08:04,440 | 對於國防大學整個職的提升 |
| 00:08:04,440 | 00:08:06,440 | 學術部分的強化 |
| 00:08:07,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 那我希望每一個國軍 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:11,000 | 軍官訓練出來都是文武雙全 |
| 00:08:11,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 當時我得到消息你們樂見 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:15,000 | 後來我們在7月份 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 在立法院這種無限延會的長度下 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 我們7月份本來要審查 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 那我看媒體報導的消息是 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:23,000 | 國防部在6月17 |
| 00:08:23,000 | 00:08:25,000 | 行政公告 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 你們要把軍事教育條例第8條修正 |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 所以叫我們等你們一下 |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 說7月份會來 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:33,000 | 進行相關的 |
| 00:08:33,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 修法 |
| 00:08:35,559 | 00:08:37,559 | 那我可以等你們這個 |
| 00:08:37,559 | 00:08:39,559 | 不版的方案出來 |
| 00:08:39,559 | 00:08:41,559 | 但現在已經到8月份了 |
| 00:08:41,559 | 00:08:43,559 | 現在進度到底到哪裡 |
| 00:08:43,559 | 00:08:45,560 | 因為上次委員交代完之後 |
| 00:08:45,560 | 00:08:47,560 | 其實部長回去就做了 |
| 00:08:47,560 | 00:08:49,560 | 請我們做了相關的研議 |
| 00:08:49,560 | 00:08:51,560 | 那確實也認為說有關 |
| 00:08:51,560 | 00:08:53,560 | 軍事院下的副校長 |
| 00:08:53,560 | 00:08:55,560 | 就做了兩個人 |
| 00:08:55,560 | 00:08:57,560 | 那一個部分是有關軍事院校的副校長 |
| 00:08:57,560 | 00:08:59,560 | 專責他軍事教育 |
| 00:08:59,560 | 00:09:01,560 | 對我知道 |
| 00:09:01,560 | 00:09:03,560 | 那另外一個是學術的文職的副校長 |
| 00:09:04,119 | 00:09:06,119 | 那有關相關的進度 |
| 00:09:06,119 | 00:09:08,119 | 對沒關係 |
| 00:09:08,119 | 00:09:10,119 | 那個參謀可以上來幫忙 |
| 00:09:10,119 | 00:09:12,119 | 我現在是問進度啦 |
| 00:09:12,119 | 00:09:14,119 | 因為本來我們7月份教 |
| 00:09:14,119 | 00:09:16,119 | 因為這個沒有人反對 |
| 00:09:16,119 | 00:09:18,119 | 我看起來各黨派都沒有人反對 |
| 00:09:18,119 | 00:09:20,119 | 應該修法通過 |
| 00:09:20,119 | 00:09:22,119 | 我們增設一個文職副校長 |
| 00:09:22,119 | 00:09:24,119 | 對國防大學是個好事情嘛 |
| 00:09:24,119 | 00:09:26,119 | 那後來說要等你們不版的 |
| 00:09:26,119 | 00:09:28,119 | 那等到現在8月中了耶 |
| 00:09:28,119 | 00:09:30,119 | 你們現在到底進度怎麼樣 |
| 00:09:30,119 | 00:09:32,119 | 是包委員那個有關相關的進度 |
| 00:09:32,680 | 00:09:34,680 | 那根據這些規則的審議跟承報 |
| 00:09:34,680 | 00:09:36,680 | 我們會 |
| 00:09:36,680 | 00:09:38,680 | 我們已經報到行政院的法規會 |
| 00:09:38,680 | 00:09:40,680 | 我們來做一個 |
| 00:09:40,680 | 00:09:42,680 | 這個程序上的實質審查 |
| 00:09:42,680 | 00:09:44,680 | 你們的版本跟我的版本 |
| 00:09:44,680 | 00:09:46,680 | 大概差異就是 |
| 00:09:46,680 | 00:09:48,680 | 我是在國防大學嘛 |
| 00:09:48,680 | 00:09:50,680 | 你們是涵蓋到三軍院校嘛 |
| 00:09:50,680 | 00:09:52,680 | 差異在這裡而已 |
| 00:09:52,680 | 00:09:54,680 | 那你們現在報到院裡面 |
| 00:09:54,680 | 00:09:56,680 | 還在停在那邊停很久了耶 |
| 00:09:56,680 | 00:09:58,680 | 是我們一直在持續的 |
| 00:09:58,680 | 00:10:00,680 | 跟院方來做溝通 |
| 00:10:01,239 | 00:10:03,239 | 能夠盡快的講這個法規 |
| 00:10:03,239 | 00:10:05,239 | 因為 |
| 00:10:05,239 | 00:10:07,239 | 這個案子其實是有共識的 |
| 00:10:07,239 | 00:10:09,239 | 你們的 |
| 00:10:09,239 | 00:10:11,239 | 正確來講你們的版本有涵蓋我的版本 |
| 00:10:11,239 | 00:10:13,239 | 所以我的版本通過並不會跟你有所和格嘛 |
| 00:10:13,239 | 00:10:15,239 | 幾乎是一樣嘛 |
| 00:10:15,239 | 00:10:17,239 | 那與其在那邊等 |
| 00:10:17,239 | 00:10:19,239 | 能不能就我們提案的版本 |
| 00:10:19,239 | 00:10:21,239 | 進行修正 |
| 00:10:21,239 | 00:10:23,239 | 符合部裡面的要求讓它通過 |
| 00:10:23,239 | 00:10:25,240 | 還是你們現在一定要等到院裡面送出來 |
| 00:10:25,240 | 00:10:27,240 | 那都不送 |
| 00:10:27,240 | 00:10:29,240 | 這個案子就一直沒辦法處理啦 |
| 00:10:29,800 | 00:10:31,800 | 因為過去這幾年 |
| 00:10:31,800 | 00:10:33,800 | 我們國防大學軍事院校 |
| 00:10:33,800 | 00:10:35,800 | 確實有發生過一些 |
| 00:10:35,800 | 00:10:37,800 | 這個文職人員 |
| 00:10:37,800 | 00:10:39,800 | 就是文職的老師 |
| 00:10:39,800 | 00:10:41,800 | 跟軍事管理之間一些大大小小的摩擦 |
| 00:10:41,800 | 00:10:43,800 | 我相信那個中副部長你也知道 |
| 00:10:43,800 | 00:10:45,800 | 那那個摩擦是沒必要的 |
| 00:10:45,800 | 00:10:47,800 | 那我們到底適用大學法 |
| 00:10:47,800 | 00:10:49,800 | 我們也適用軍事院校 |
| 00:10:49,800 | 00:10:51,800 | 其他是我們 |
| 00:10:51,800 | 00:10:53,800 | 軍事院校有它的特殊性 |
| 00:10:53,800 | 00:10:55,800 | 所以現在你們如果不能吹 |
| 00:10:55,800 | 00:10:57,800 | 院版快一點 |
| 00:10:58,359 | 00:11:00,359 | 這個版本一直等 |
| 00:11:00,359 | 00:11:02,359 | 這樣遙遙無期 |
| 00:11:02,359 | 00:11:04,359 | 不好啦 |
| 00:11:04,359 | 00:11:06,359 | 是那個會後我們在將最新狀況 |
| 00:11:06,359 | 00:11:08,359 | 完整的了解之後再跟委員做報告 |
| 00:11:08,359 | 00:11:10,359 | 所以你們現在沒有完整了解 |
| 00:11:10,359 | 00:11:12,359 | 不是,就是我剛才目前掌握的進度 |
| 00:11:12,359 | 00:11:14,359 | 已經多等快兩個月了 |
| 00:11:14,359 | 00:11:16,359 | 617到現在 |
| 00:11:16,359 | 00:11:18,359 | 進度不要這樣一拖再拖啦 |
| 00:11:18,359 | 00:11:20,359 | 這樣不好 |
| 00:11:20,359 | 00:11:22,359 | 主席站起來了 |
| 00:11:22,359 | 00:11:24,359 | 我最後一點點時間 |
| 00:11:24,359 | 00:11:26,359 | 又看到一個小艇跑進來 |
| 00:11:26,920 | 00:11:28,920 | 我先請教中副部長,你以前在陸軍司令嘛 |
| 00:11:28,920 | 00:11:30,920 | 那現在就是說 |
| 00:11:30,920 | 00:11:32,920 | 我們看到這一次 |
| 00:11:32,920 | 00:11:34,920 | 這一個動力橡皮艇 |
| 00:11:34,920 | 00:11:36,920 | 上面有三件救生衣 |
| 00:11:36,920 | 00:11:38,920 | 可是我們隔了幾天 |
| 00:11:38,920 | 00:11:40,920 | 逮捕只抓到兩個人 |
| 00:11:40,920 | 00:11:42,920 | 那這兩個人登岸之後很有意思 |
| 00:11:42,920 | 00:11:44,920 | 徒步走了幾十公里 |
| 00:11:44,920 | 00:11:46,920 | 往桃園去 |
| 00:11:46,920 | 00:11:48,920 | 那在漢光演習前夕 |
| 00:11:48,920 | 00:11:50,920 | 發生這個事情 |
| 00:11:50,920 | 00:11:52,920 | 就軍事上的意義來看 |
| 00:11:52,920 | 00:11:54,920 | 這些突擊艇或者小艇快艇 |
| 00:11:55,479 | 00:11:57,479 | 在我們套上我們 |
| 00:11:57,479 | 00:11:59,479 | 可登陸的海灘水域 |
| 00:11:59,479 | 00:12:01,479 | 從2024年到現在 |
| 00:12:01,479 | 00:12:03,479 | 如果再加上金門馬祖其實會更多 |
| 00:12:03,479 | 00:12:05,479 | 發生了10次左右 |
| 00:12:05,479 | 00:12:07,479 | 這種單人或雙人的小艇 |
| 00:12:07,479 | 00:12:09,479 | 來到我們的水域 |
| 00:12:09,479 | 00:12:11,479 | 我不認為這單純只有海巡署的事情 |
| 00:12:11,479 | 00:12:13,479 | 我們淡水河口淡水大營 |
| 00:12:13,479 | 00:12:15,479 | 那個負責我們衛須首都啊 |
| 00:12:15,479 | 00:12:17,479 | 台中港那個其實影響到行政卸載 |
| 00:12:17,479 | 00:12:19,480 | 也是反侵略很重要的部分 |
| 00:12:19,480 | 00:12:21,480 | 那現在我們看到 |
| 00:12:21,480 | 00:12:23,480 | 我們看到這個 |
| 00:12:24,040 | 00:12:26,040 | 反侵略很重要的部分 |
| 00:12:26,040 | 00:12:28,040 | 你們的判斷 |
| 00:12:28,040 | 00:12:30,040 | 這些小艇 |
| 00:12:30,040 | 00:12:32,040 | 這些登陸在軍事上 |
| 00:12:32,040 | 00:12:34,040 | 他們有什麼意圖 |
| 00:12:34,040 | 00:12:36,040 | 然後你們有什麼樣的精進的做法 |
| 00:12:36,040 | 00:12:38,040 | 第一個部分跟委員回答是 |
| 00:12:38,040 | 00:12:40,040 | 有關這一個淡水河確實是 |
| 00:12:40,040 | 00:12:42,040 | 敵人滲透透光突襲非常重要的一個 |
| 00:12:42,040 | 00:12:44,040 | 一個途徑 |
| 00:12:44,040 | 00:12:46,040 | 那有這樣的一個中國小艇入侵 |
| 00:12:46,040 | 00:12:48,040 | 就軍事上的 |
| 00:12:48,040 | 00:12:50,040 | 這個研判來說我們必須要 |
| 00:12:50,040 | 00:12:52,040 | 非常謹慎的去檢討 |
| 00:12:52,599 | 00:12:54,599 | 利用小艇來滲透透光突襲 |
| 00:12:54,599 | 00:12:56,599 | 他的太陽以及 |
| 00:12:56,599 | 00:12:58,599 | 他可能也在試探我們的一個 |
| 00:12:58,599 | 00:13:00,599 | 反應的一個能力 |
| 00:13:00,599 | 00:13:02,599 | 以及我們有關情緘真的這個作為 |
| 00:13:02,599 | 00:13:04,599 | 那這個部分 |
| 00:13:04,599 | 00:13:06,599 | 我們會跟海巡署在密切做一個協調聯絡 |
| 00:13:06,599 | 00:13:08,599 | 那第二個部分就是說 |
| 00:13:08,599 | 00:13:10,599 | 他從登陸之後再到紅色海灘 |
| 00:13:10,599 | 00:13:12,599 | 去做一個踏勘所以我們從這邊 |
| 00:13:12,599 | 00:13:14,599 | 去檢討他也實際在 |
| 00:13:14,599 | 00:13:16,599 | 你們認為他們有在踏勘紅色海灘 |
| 00:13:16,599 | 00:13:18,599 | 對因為這個部分可能就是說 |
| 00:13:18,599 | 00:13:20,599 | 因為 |
| 00:13:21,160 | 00:13:23,160 | 必須要經過正式的一個法律的詢問了解 |
| 00:13:23,160 | 00:13:25,160 | 這兩位據說有 |
| 00:13:25,160 | 00:13:27,160 | 對中國的海警或者武警的背景 |
| 00:13:27,160 | 00:13:29,160 | 確實海警跟武警在戰時 |
| 00:13:29,160 | 00:13:31,160 | 他是他的一個武裝 |
| 00:13:31,160 | 00:13:33,160 | 所以他們有這個背景 |
| 00:13:33,160 | 00:13:35,160 | 那時候我們也不排除他到紅色海灘的時候 |
| 00:13:35,160 | 00:13:37,160 | 是實際踏勘他們如果後續 |
| 00:13:37,160 | 00:13:39,160 | 真正做大規模的正規 |
| 00:13:39,160 | 00:13:41,160 | 飛針跟登陸的時候 |
| 00:13:41,160 | 00:13:43,160 | 他一路往桃園會經過很多要地 |
| 00:13:43,160 | 00:13:45,160 | 林口台地啊一直往下走 |
| 00:13:45,160 | 00:13:47,160 | 到觀音這個其實都是重要的 |
| 00:13:47,160 | 00:13:49,160 | 登陸點啊 |
| 00:13:49,719 | 00:13:51,719 | 桃園的這個保守座跟海國海灘確實是敵人 |
| 00:13:51,719 | 00:13:53,719 | 正規登陸最主要的一個 |
| 00:13:53,719 | 00:13:55,719 | 這兩位有海警武警背景 |
| 00:13:55,719 | 00:13:57,719 | 他們進行紅色海灘的踏勘 |
| 00:13:57,719 | 00:13:59,719 | 那他們是三個還兩個 |
| 00:13:59,719 | 00:14:01,719 | 現在只抓到兩個 |
| 00:14:01,719 | 00:14:03,719 | 後續我們要掌握看看後續 |
| 00:14:03,719 | 00:14:04,719 | 有關 |
| 00:14:04,719 | 00:14:06,719 | 就不要認為這只是海巡 |
| 00:14:06,719 | 00:14:08,719 | 因為海巡坦白講預算過得太慢 |
| 00:14:08,719 | 00:14:10,719 | 他們的勤政系統確實有漏洞 |
| 00:14:10,719 | 00:14:12,719 | 空中的巡視的力量不足 |
| 00:14:12,719 | 00:14:14,720 | 我認為這是要把它視為 |
| 00:14:14,720 | 00:14:16,720 | 我們國防整體體系的一環 |
| 00:14:16,720 | 00:14:18,720 | 該補上漏洞要補上漏洞 |
| 00:14:18,720 | 00:14:20,720 | 小部隊突襲 |
| 00:14:20,720 | 00:14:22,720 | 在面對第一級的時候 |
| 00:14:22,720 | 00:14:24,720 | 那個可能是配合在台灣的第五重隊 |
| 00:14:24,720 | 00:14:26,720 | 是我們國軍遇到最困難的 |
| 00:14:26,720 | 00:14:28,720 | 最前面的狀況 |
| 00:14:28,720 | 00:14:30,720 | 所以有關這個突擊的部分 |
| 00:14:30,720 | 00:14:32,720 | 我們未來會繼續追蹤 |
| 00:14:32,720 | 00:14:34,720 | 好謝謝副部長 |