| IVOD_ID |
170924 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170924 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-12 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-12T09:38:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-12T09:43:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
劉書彬 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:38:12 - 09:43:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第4次公聽會（事由：召開「財政部所屬泛公股金融機構，面對當前激烈競爭環境，如何擬訂泛公股合併之短中程策略與實施計畫」公聽會） |
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主席 各位學者專家 各位政府官員 大家早安 |
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今天討論泛公股 金融機構合併的問題 |
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我認為不能只問要不要公共併 |
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更要先問財政部到底準備如何治理泛公股 |
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國票金就是最好的試金石 |
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今年五月 國票金董事改選 |
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十五席董事當中 公股取得八席 |
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正式掌握經營主導權 |
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這也是台灣少見由民營金控轉為泛公股主導的案例 |
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問題是 公股拿到經營權以後 |
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我們看到的是改革還是延續過去的利益繼續呢 |
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國票金在國內金控當中規模相對是小的 |
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又缺乏最重要的商業銀行這一塊的拼圖 |
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長期受到發展限制 |
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過去曾經推動併購安泰銀行 最後沒有成功 |
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如今公股取得主導權 |
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現在應該是重新檢討公司治理改善治理的時機了 |
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體質的時機了 |
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但是公股進場之後 |
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首先引發爭議的竟然是副董事長人士及高薪領酬的問題 |
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外界質疑 |
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國票金副董事長年薪超過兩千萬元 |
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遠高於許多大型公股金融機構的董事長 |
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我想現在在場的很多公股的董事長是不是能心服呢 |
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我要問財政部 |
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既然公股已經主導了董事會 |
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為什麼沒有趁這個機會重新檢討副董事長的設置的必要性 |
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職權跟薪酬 |
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財政部不能一方面動用犯公股近百億的資金取得經營權 |
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另一方面遇到監督問題 |
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又說國票金不是財政部直接的投資事業 |
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要尊重公司治理 |
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這樣就變成要經營權時是公股 |
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要負責時變成民營 |
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這不是人民期待的犯公股的治理 |
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第二 |
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我們支持金融機構透過整併提升規模與競爭力 |
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但是本席認為不能為了公共併三個字而併 |
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財政部今天提出了尊重市場機制 |
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利害關係人合意 |
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及綜合績效優先三大原則 |
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我們基本上認同 |
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但是我必須要再加上一項公共利益 |
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到底是由誰來併國票金 |
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是聽到下面的 |
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是張銀第一金招風金還是其他公股機構 |
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這不能用政治決定 |
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而是要提出客觀的評估 |
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國票金最大的問題是缺乏銀行通路 |
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因此整併必須回答三個問題 |
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第一 |
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能不能補足銀行業務及通路 |
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第二 |
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能不能降低重複成本 |
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提升股東權益報酬率 |
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ROE與美股的盈餘EPS |
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第三 |
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能不能擴大規模提高國際競爭力 |
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如果答案都是否定的 |
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那就沒有必要為併而併 |
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我要提醒財政部 |
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金管會已經說得很清楚了 |
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金融整併由業者依公司治理來決定 |
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但泛公股涉及公股股權處理 |
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財政部不能把這個球再丟給金管會了 |
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因此本席提出三點訴求 |
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希望財政部三個月提出 |
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泛公股金融機構治理準則 |
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明確的規範 |
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董事判認 |
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高階薪酬 |
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250 |
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績效考核及重大投資決策 |
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第二 |
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全面檢討國票金 |
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副董事長的職位 |
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256 |
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薪酬與績效的連結 |
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不能讓泛公股成為監督的灰色地帶 |
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第三 |
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半年內提出國票金整併的可行性評估 |
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公開比較不同公股機構整併的成本 |
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綜合績效 |
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278 |
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股東權益及公會與員工的權益 |
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尤其是員工的薪資 |
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應該具備合理的競爭性 |
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才能留住人才來維持公股銀行的競爭力 |
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本席支持金融整併 |
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但我們要的是專業整併 |
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不是政治整併 |
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要的是提升競爭力 |
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不是重新分配位子 |
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既然政府取得國票金主導權 |
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就必須向全民交代 |
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拿到經營權之後 |
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究竟要把國票金帶到哪裡去 |
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我在財政委員會會繼續來監督這件事情 |