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林楚茵 @ 第11屆第5會期司法及法制、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:02,000 | 這邊 |
| 00:00:02,000 | 00:00:04,000 | 那邊是要入閣的 |
| 00:00:04,000 | 00:00:06,000 | 這邊是這時候的 |
| 00:00:10,000 | 00:00:12,000 | 謝謝主席 |
| 00:00:12,000 | 00:00:14,000 | 有請國防部跟法務部 |
| 00:00:14,000 | 00:00:16,000 | 請國防部副部長還有 |
| 00:00:16,000 | 00:00:18,000 | 張司長 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:22,000 | 林委員好 |
| 00:00:22,000 | 00:00:24,000 | 兩位好喔 本席今天要詢問的是 |
| 00:00:24,000 | 00:00:26,000 | 雖然說我們都知道 |
| 00:00:26,000 | 00:00:28,000 | 這個不論是酒駕或毒駕 |
| 00:00:28,000 | 00:00:30,000 | 已經危害到國家安全 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:32,000 | 但是針對國家安全我今天要拉高到 |
| 00:00:32,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 一個更高的層次喔 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:36,000 | PTT |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 好了嗎 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:44,000 | 還在跑是不是 |
| 00:00:48,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 好 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 不是這個 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 北戴河 對 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 我想媒體已經報導了 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 就是中共開完北戴河會議之後 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 媒體提出了 |
| 00:01:00,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 就是今年跟台灣 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:04,000 | 最有關的部分就是中國現在 |
| 00:01:04,000 | 00:01:06,000 | 竟然把台灣的年底的選舉 |
| 00:01:06,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 當成了是自己對台工作的 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:10,000 | KPI 那麼其中呢 |
| 00:01:10,000 | 00:01:12,000 | 令人感到毛骨悚然 |
| 00:01:12,000 | 00:01:14,000 | 的是對於在台愛國 |
| 00:01:14,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 力量要給予所謂 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:18,000 | 最大的支持 |
| 00:01:18,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 也就是說如果接受中國 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:22,000 | 的資源配合中共的政治 |
| 00:01:22,000 | 00:01:24,000 | 目標甚至於協助 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:26,000 | 中國影響台灣的選舉 |
| 00:01:26,000 | 00:01:28,000 | 我想這個所謂的愛國者 |
| 00:01:28,000 | 00:01:30,000 | 愛的可能不是中華民國 |
| 00:01:30,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 而是中華人民共和國 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 但是更恐怖的是 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 給愛國力量 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 最大支持過去我們 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 以為的可能是一筆錢 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 會給某一位候選人 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 但是現在會發現 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 恐怕這個 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 最大支持的方式千變萬化 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:50,000 | 如果說過去的 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 界線是透過地下金流 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 或者是落地接待地下賭盤 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:56,000 | 來操控假民調等等 |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 但是現在 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 如果透過假帳號 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 網紅 Line群組 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:04,000 | 境外公關公司 |
| 00:02:04,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 甚至於AI生成影片 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 聲音圖卡 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 那麼透過境外的公司 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:12,000 | 來影響台灣的選舉 |
| 00:02:12,000 | 00:02:14,000 | 的狀況底下 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 我先請問一下法務部 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 對於這樣的境外手法 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 而不是給支持 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 支持特定候選人 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 甚至於他不是要支持特定 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:26,000 | 候選人他只是攻擊 |
| 00:02:26,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 現有的政府 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 那麼這樣的方式在法務部 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:02:32,000 | 依照現有的 |
| 00:02:32,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 法規以及你們的 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 辦案手法可以查得到 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 這種所謂給與 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 愛國者最大的支持的 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 新型態境外 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 的支持嗎 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 如果針對這些境外的 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 有意攻擊政府的相關 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 訊息那如果涉及相關的 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 犯罪的話那檢察官就會來 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 具以偵辦那事實上我們 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 對於這個境外的這些 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 不管是假訊息也好或者是 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:02,000 | 可能是危害這個 |
| 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 政府的訊息或者是危害國家 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 安全的訊息也好其實我們都有 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 相關的機制在做好可是我要問 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 的就是假訊息是危害 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 社會治安 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 其實危害社會治安的部分 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 我看到現在很多在野 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 黨的委員還把他說 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 這個是言論自由 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 如果兩邊要講那可能還 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 打不完而且危害社會治安的罪行 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 我想防護非常清楚 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 他的罪行有限但是他現在 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 不只是假訊息危害社會治安 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 是介入台灣 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 的選舉而且現在 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 北戴河會議直接就跟你講了這是 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:38,000 | 對台工作的KPI而且直 |
| 00:03:38,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 指二零二六的年底選舉 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 這還是所謂你口中 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 的維護社會治安嗎 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 還是這其實已經涉及到 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 國安層級 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 是國安法甚至於是 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 已經直接介入台灣的選舉 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 這個跟你剛剛 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:56,000 | 口頭上所說的危害社會治安 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:03:58,000 | 一樣嗎 |
| 00:03:58,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 是跟委員報告有關這個 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:02,000 | 我現在要問的就是如果有一 |
| 00:04:02,000 | 00:04:04,000 | 筆錢來自於境外 |
| 00:04:04,000 | 00:04:06,000 | 他直接給境外的公關公司 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 操作的是 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 假訊息之外包括 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:12,000 | 給網紅製作 |
| 00:04:12,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 身為影片AI影片 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 然後影響選舉你 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 認為這個只是所謂 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 危害治安的受 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 違法嗎如果這個 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 行為他已經是 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 直接要介入選舉的這個部分的話 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 那可能有會構成這個相關 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:30,000 | 的反滲透法的這個規範 |
| 00:04:30,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 那最高檢察署其實他們 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 已經成立了相關的這個 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 督導小組各地檢也有 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 成立這個選舉查查執行小組 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 其實都會強化相關機關 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 的這個跨機關的聯防網絡 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:44,000 | 尤其對於這個可能 |
| 00:04:44,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 是申委的這個訊息的話 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:48,000 | 還有相關的見識量能其實 |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:50,000 | 都已經有所準備好 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 本席在這裡提醒就是既然 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 有這樣的報導出來 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 那就表示說空穴不來 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 風而且事實上我們現在就已經 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:05:00,000 | 看到了非常多這樣的樣態 |
| 00:05:00,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 所以本席要提醒的是當他 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:04,000 | 直接介入選舉或者是 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 在影響選舉甚至於 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 透過台灣的民主 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 我們要知道中華人民共和國就是 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 中共是沒有選舉的 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 但是他現在是以民主的手段 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 來殘害台灣的民主的時候 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 那麼這整體圍到的是國家安全 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 的部分所以我要提醒 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 包括法務部等相關部會 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 在針對這一次年底選舉 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:26,000 | 必須要有更多的準備尤其是 |
| 00:05:26,000 | 00:05:28,000 | 因應AI新形態 |
| 00:05:28,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 以及其他的這種所謂竊選的 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 方式那最後一點時間 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 我要請問一下國防部就是我們 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 可以看得到在這個所謂 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 2026地方選舉的關鍵 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 是支持愛國的在地力量當中 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:42,000 | 他還特別提到又用 |
| 00:05:42,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 心理戰法律戰 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 國際跟軍事的平面來 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 影響強化所謂的 |
| 00:05:48,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 軍事治理而且反對 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 台灣增加軍事投資 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 跟擴大無人機 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:56,000 | 的部署這個非常明確 |
| 00:05:56,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 的可以感受得到 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 他就是直指國防部而來 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:02,000 | 雖然我們今天的修法24條 |
| 00:06:02,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 是講掉要強調 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 對國家的認同跟 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 效忠但是在這個部分 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:10,000 | 我也要就教一下國防部 |
| 00:06:10,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 對於整體的 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 因為我們知道以前面對 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 國家的安全機密 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 國防部常常就是一句 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 這四射機密不可以對外公開 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 可是另外一方面在透過 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 網路媒體的操作的時候 |
| 00:06:24,000 | 00:06:26,000 | 錯假訊息你們如何在 |
| 00:06:26,000 | 00:06:28,000 | 第一時間能夠快速 |
| 00:06:28,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 的回應尤其是在年底 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 的時候這種撼動軍心 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 的做法你們要如何 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:36,000 | 有效的整合其他的 |
| 00:06:36,000 | 00:06:38,000 | 部會或者是你們自己可以快速 |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 的來做回應因為可以感受 |
| 00:06:40,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 得到其實全民 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 支持增加國防預算 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 全民支持無人機 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:48,000 | 產業在台灣 |
| 00:06:48,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 持續的壯大然後 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 加入飛鴻供應鏈而 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 無人機在現代的戰爭 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 當中對於台灣的重要性 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:06:58,000 | 已經有 |
| 00:06:58,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 戰爭等等的案例 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:02,000 | 在前面可是國防部 |
| 00:07:02,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 如何在面對選舉 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 的過程當中很多的選舉議題 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 會把這些通通洗掉 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 那麼在這個部分國防部 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 有沒有什麼有效因應的方式 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 簡單跟委員 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 回應就是說第一個部分對於 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 有關錯假 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:20,000 | 訊息的部分國防部會立即 |
| 00:07:20,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 用新聞稿 |
| 00:07:22,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 或者是用記者會的方式來承經 |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 整個錯假訊息他錯的 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 地方給國人一個非常 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:30,000 | 正確的一個觀念或是 |
| 00:07:30,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 正確的事實為何 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 那第二個部分因為軍人他 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 比較特殊他要 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 維護戰力他也要事實保衛 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:40,000 | 國家所以我們對內部 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 的一個心理的一個鞏固 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 也會藉由各項宣導 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 以及層面的一個 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 正式的一個方式 |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 藉由舉方各種方式來鞏固 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 我們的心防來確保 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 這個軍人是為效忠國家 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:56,000 | 來進行他這個 |
| 00:07:56,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 所有的武裝力量所以很簡單 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 跟委員講有關錯假 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:02,000 | 訊息的部分我們立即來實施 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 一個好我覺得在 |
| 00:08:04,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 就是事實的 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 揭露是非常重要的我想 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 我們在國防外交委員會的時候有 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 國安局在的場合我們都會提醒 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 就是國安局跟相關 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 的國安單位跟現在 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 國防部在事實的 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:20,000 | 資訊揭露又或者 |
| 00:08:20,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 是新型態動搖 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 軍心的這樣的一個手法 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 其實必須在 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:28,000 | 最短的時間之內讓國人 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 可以釐清那麼我覺得 |
| 00:08:30,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 這個也是現在接下來我們 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:34,000 | 面對不論是國防預算的增加 |
| 00:08:34,000 | 00:08:36,000 | 特別預算又或者是無人機 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 採購或者是無人機的 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 發展當中其實兩個 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 是相提的那我們也希望 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 在這一次的年舉選舉當中 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 我們既然已經被提醒到知道 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 中國是要運用所謂 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 愛台力量 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 愛國力量但是不愛台 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 這樣的力量在介入選舉的時候 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 相關的單位都能夠 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 更高的警覺 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 好嗎 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 好謝謝林楚英委員 |