| IVOD_ID |
170914 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170914 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-11 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-11T17:10:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-11T17:21:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a2ba9baf79443361bbdff0d3e86971c122f260bc4224891a7a1313230404a1f1367e716d719082265ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
17:10:53 - 17:21:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第2次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為監察院第六屆監察委員任期於115年7月31日屆滿。茲依據憲法增修條文第7條第2項、監察院組織法第3條之1及監察院國家人權委員會組織法第3條規定，提名陳永興、王榮璋、高天惠Eleng Tjaljimaraw、張菊芳、張烽益、林惠芳、孫一信、李麗芬、陳景峻、彭紹瑾、廖婉汝、葉宜津、林麗瑩、侯廷昌、李光章、林文程、賴鼎銘、邱駿彥、徐光蓉、邱泰源、賴振昌、莊勝榮、吳梓生、王志誠、Iban Nokan、謝政達、林佳範、許有為、趙卿惠29位為監察院第七屆監察委員，並以陳永興為院長兼任監察院國家人權委員會主任委員、王榮璋為副院長；王榮璋、高天惠Eleng Tjaljimaraw、張菊芳、張烽益、林惠芳、孫一信、李麗芬7位適用監察院組織法第3條之1第1項第7款資格，咨請同意案（本案經本院第11屆第5會期第15次會議決定，有關總統提名廖婉汝、謝政達為第七屆監察委員部分，毋庸處理，其餘交全院委員會審查）。） |
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好 謝謝主席 請備題名人 |
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11.34 |
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12.6 |
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請 |
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14.6 |
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我們張備題名人 |
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23.42 |
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好 備題名人好 |
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23.42 |
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24.52 |
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我也好 |
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24.52 |
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26.88 |
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我有看你的自傳 看你的報告 |
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27 |
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30.94 |
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我必須講 跟很多位備題名人比較起來 |
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30.94 |
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34.94 |
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你的自傳的報告都非常的簡要 |
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34.94 |
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39.76 |
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在您有限的自傳的敘述裡面 |
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39.76 |
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43.38 |
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提到您曾經進入老委會 |
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43.38 |
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47.86 |
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就是現在勞動部前身擔任主委的基要秘書 |
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47.86 |
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53.96 |
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您是擔任前主委 盧天琳主委的基要秘書嗎 |
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53.96 |
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55.72 |
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是 |
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55.74 |
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60.04 |
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我覺得這個經驗可能不是很好的經驗 |
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60.04 |
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65.44 |
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我想盧天琳她後來所爆發的種種的弊案跟爭議 |
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65.44 |
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69.66 |
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她應該算是史上最糟糕的 |
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69.66 |
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72.56 |
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老委會主委或勞動部部長 |
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72.56 |
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75.92 |
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那在她的任內 |
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75.92 |
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81.46 |
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就是有她貪污挪用公款去做選舉的問題 |
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90.78 |
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然後她後來去擔任亞洲航空公司的董事長 |
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90.78 |
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93.1 |
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也濫訴勞工 |
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93.1 |
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97.6 |
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而且事實上有很多勞工都在投訴她 |
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97.6 |
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99.84 |
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那行徑極為囂張跟惡劣 |
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99.84 |
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102.12 |
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如果以現在的標準來講 |
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102.12 |
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106.12 |
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簡直是完全沒有辦法為社會接受 |
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106.12 |
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110.12 |
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所以我想請問備題名人 |
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110.14 |
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114.9 |
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基本上你覺得你那一段的經歷願意特別寫在你的志傳上 |
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114.9 |
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116.9 |
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你覺得是一個好的經歷嗎 |
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120.56 |
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122.44 |
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我大概在 |
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122.44 |
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124.62 |
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因為當時我是 |
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127.66 |
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當時盧天琳委員 |
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127.66 |
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130.9 |
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她那時候是民進黨的部分區立委 |
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130.9 |
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134.22 |
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那我本來就是在她立委的辦公室 |
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134.22 |
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135.74 |
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所以跟著她進入老委會 |
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135.76 |
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138.76 |
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後來她在立委的最後一年 |
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138.76 |
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142.48 |
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到勞動部老委會擔任主委一年 |
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142.48 |
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144.12 |
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那所以呢 |
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144.12 |
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147.96 |
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我當時就協助她在勞動部 |
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147.96 |
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149.96 |
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所以你認不認爲她的這個 |
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149.96 |
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153.64 |
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我剛才講史上最糟糕的老委會主委 |
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153.64 |
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155.64 |
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沒有冤枉她吧 |
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157.4 |
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158.12 |
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備題名人 |
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158.12 |
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160.12 |
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你是被提名為監委 |
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160.12 |
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160.72 |
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是 |
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160.74 |
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165.74 |
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如果你連她已經受到司法的制裁 |
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165.74 |
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168.74 |
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包含她這個 |
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168.74 |
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169.74 |
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對不起 |
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169.74 |
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174.74 |
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包含她這個就有關於貪污的部分 |
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174.74 |
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177.74 |
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或者是她濫訴勞工的部分 |
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177.74 |
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180.74 |
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你都還沒有辦法有一個定見的話 |
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180.74 |
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184.74 |
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那你如果當上監委我不曉得你能夠監察誰 |
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184.74 |
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187.74 |
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沒有我的意思是說她的部分 |
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187.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
189.74 |
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所謂的涉貪的部分 |
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189.76 |
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193.76 |
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她已經得到司法 |
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193.76 |
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195.76 |
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在進入司法的審判 |
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195.76 |
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198.76 |
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那也有受到司法相關的懲處 |
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198.76 |
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200.76 |
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那我覺得呢 |
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200.76 |
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203.76 |
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我們這個社會上 |
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203.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
208.76 |
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每個人應該對於這個受過司法案件懲處的未來人 |
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208.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
212.76 |
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她如果後來願意這個認錯 |
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212.76 |
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215.76 |
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因為你被提名的是監察委員 |
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215.78 |
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219.78 |
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如果你還沒有辦法針對雖然是你的老長官 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
219.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
224.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
有一個符合社會期待的一個評價的話 |
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224.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
227.78 |
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其實會讓外界認為 |
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227.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
232.78 |
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你到底能不能夠去執行你的監察的任務 |
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232.78 |
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233.78 |
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會有疑問 |
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233.78 |
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236.78 |
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另外在你的自傳裡面 |
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236.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
240.78 |
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也提到剛才前面郭國文委員也提到 |
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240.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
242.78 |
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你提到有關於派遣跟外送員 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
242.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
245.8 |
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這樣新習態的一個勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
245.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
247.8 |
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她的相關的權益 |
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247.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
251.8 |
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要怎麼在制度上建立跟重視 |
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251.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
253.8 |
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那最近發生一件事情 |
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253.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
257.8 |
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就是Over-Aids的外送員 |
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257.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
261.8 |
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他們去北檢去提告 |
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261.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
265.8 |
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最主要就是我們在立法院通過了外送專法 |
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而這些平台呢 |
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說他會執行 |
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他會依法來給付 |
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271.82 |
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272.82 |
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但是呢 |
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272.82 |
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274.82 |
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現在時間到了 |
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274.82 |
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276.82 |
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他在七月份上路 |
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可是外送員就發現他們利用演算法 |
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事實上並沒有依法給付 |
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所以他們去按鈴申告 |
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285.82 |
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290.82 |
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其實照理說他們應該跟勞動部去投訴 |
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290.82 |
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我們這一點 |
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291.82 |
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296.82 |
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我們的立法委員們也會來請勞動部 |
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296.82 |
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予以協助 |
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299.82 |
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而且應該予以調查 |
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可是他們採取的是去北檢去提告 |
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所以這也充分顯示出 |
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我們的外送員 |
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即使已經有外送專法 |
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照理應該可以保護他 |
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313.84 |
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但是呢 |
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317.84 |
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業者還是巧妙的利用演算法 |
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317.84 |
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去迴避他應有的責任 |
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所以請問一下被提名人 |
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321.84 |
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你怎麼來看這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
323.84 |
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327.84 |
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外送業者運用這種演算法 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
327.86 |
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330.86 |
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來刻刻勞工的權益 |
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330.86 |
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331.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
這個在國外 |
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335.86 |
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我們把它稱之為演算法獨裁這個部分 |
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335.86 |
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336.86 |
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那我覺得呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
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339.86 |
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這個新法通過以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
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我覺得既然賦予國家公權力 |
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346.86 |
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可以來針對平台業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
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348.86 |
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來行政處罰的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
348.86 |
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349.86 |
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那我覺得當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
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353.86 |
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這個如果外送員他有權益受損 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
353.86 |
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356.86 |
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自然行政單位應該要依法來裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
356.88 |
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358.88 |
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平台業者才對 |
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361.88 |
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如果當然行政單位 |
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363.88 |
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如果有所缺失 |
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365.88 |
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有所帶墮的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
365.88 |
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367.88 |
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那監察委員應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
367.88 |
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369.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
自然一定要發動來調查 |
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369.88 |
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372.88 |
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我覺得這個法律剛通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
372.88 |
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373.88 |
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怎麼樣來落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
373.88 |
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376.88 |
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來照顧到這些非典勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
376.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
378.88 |
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我覺得是整個社會的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
378.88 |
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379.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
另外一件話 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
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384.88 |
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也跟這個你過去應該關心的議題 |
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384.9 |
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386.9 |
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我想請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
386.9 |
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388.9 |
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現在行政院事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
388.9 |
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390.9 |
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立法院朝野都有共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
390.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
395.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
為了要幫助我們年輕的父母育兒 |
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395.9 |
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396.9 |
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所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
396.9 |
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400.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
我們有開放外籍幫傭的一個政策 |
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400.9 |
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也就是有一個小孩 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
402.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
405.9 |
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12歲以下的小孩的家庭 |
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就可以聘用外籍幫傭 |
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408.9 |
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410.9 |
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請問一下被提名人 |
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410.9 |
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413.9 |
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這個政策您支持嗎 |
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413.92 |
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416.92 |
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並請外籍幫傭12歲以下 |
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416.92 |
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419.92 |
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我個人是覺得就是說 |
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419.92 |
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423.92 |
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國家應該優先的來 |
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423.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
425.92 |
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這個擴大所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
425.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
428.92 |
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公共托育的一個照顧的能量 |
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428.92 |
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430.92 |
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那讓這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
430.92 |
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432.92 |
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所以你這個政策已經是公開的 |
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432.92 |
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434.92 |
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行政院已經正式宣布 |
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434.92 |
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436.92 |
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對 那我意思就是說 |
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436.92 |
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438.92 |
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因為你說請家庭幫傭 |
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438.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
439.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
事實上每個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
439.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
441.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
每個月耗費的薪資 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
441.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
443.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
恐怕不是一個一般的 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
443.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
445.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
我們的上班族的家庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
445.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
446.94 |
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可以負擔得起的 |
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446.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
447.94 |
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所以我覺得呢 |
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447.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
450.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
這個部分可能即使開放了 |
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450.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
453.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
可能只是解決某一部分的社會問題 |
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453.94 |
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454.94 |
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所以你不支持 |
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454.94 |
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456.94 |
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它只是一種錦上添花的 |
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456.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
459.94 |
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我個人覺得擴大公共托育的 |
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459.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
461.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
讓而且是平價優質的公共托育 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
461.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
463.94 |
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我覺得這才是對 |
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463.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
465.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
我們一般普遍上班族 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
465.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
467.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
雙性家庭的這個 |
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467.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
469.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
好 這個呢 |
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469.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
470.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
當時呢 |
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470.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
472.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
這個監察院 |
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472.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
475.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
國家人權會也出來反對這個新制 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
475.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
477.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
但是這個是一個朝野 |
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477.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
479.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
包含行政院跟立法院 |
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479.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
480.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
像我自己本身 |
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480.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
482.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
我也支持這樣的一個政策 |
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482.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
484.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
那我必須要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
484.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
486.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
就是說以我們現在少子化 |
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486.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
489.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
我個人支持勞動普這項新制 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
489.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
491.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
但是我可以看到 |
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491.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
493.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
我們的這個被提名人 |
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493.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
495.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
看起來你對這個 |
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495.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
497.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
這個政策 |
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497.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
498.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
你看起來有反對 |
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498.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
500.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
但是我也講 |
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500.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
503.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
雖然監察院後來有表示反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
503.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
505.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
最後也不了了之 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
505.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
507.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
也沒有對行政院這項政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
507.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
509.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
有任何的調查 |
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509.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
511.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
或有任何的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
511.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
513.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
那另外因為被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
513.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
515.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
你是第一次被提名 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
515.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
516.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
516.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
518.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
那我想請教你一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
521.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
524.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
在這一屆的監委裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
爆發了一個在外界討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
非常多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
就是有濫用公務預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
就是公務車 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
事實上這個涉及好幾位的監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
那包括前秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
546 |
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也因此而下台 |
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546 |
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547 |
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監察院呢 |
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547 |
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550 |
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雖然說啟動了調查 |
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550 |
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551 |
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但是呢 |
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551 |
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553 |
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除了呂敬義秘書長 |
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他是自己主動請辭下台之外 |
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其他的監委呢 |
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事實上也就沒事了 |
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561.02 |
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包含呢 |
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564.02 |
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這次提名的副院長的人選 |
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566.02 |
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其實他也深陷 |
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566.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
568.02 |
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這個濫用公務車的 |
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568.02 |
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570.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
這個整個的風暴之中 |
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571.02 |
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因為啊 |
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573.02 |
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你是新提名的 |
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575.02 |
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我想你應該可以用比較 |
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576.02 |
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中性啊 |
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這不非涉及的事情 |
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你怎麼看 |
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就是身為國台大人 |
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583.04 |
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然後呢 |
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585.04 |
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在公務車的濫用上 |
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587.04 |
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被外界質疑 |
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但是後來調查不了了之 |
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591.04 |
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你怎麼來看 |
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我覺得監察委員 |
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作為他要彈劾 |
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我們所有的百官 |
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的這種地位呢 |
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600.04 |
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我覺得事實上要更謹慎 |
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604.04 |
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自己要對自己的地位要更謹慎 |
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606.04 |
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那我覺得這個公務車的 |
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606.04 |
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607.04 |
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這一個使用 |
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607.04 |
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609.04 |
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我覺得監察院呢 |
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609.04 |
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610.04 |
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應該要有一個 |
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611.04 |
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更明確的一個方式 |
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而且是更透明的一個方式 |
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讓社會大眾知道 |
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這個公務車不會被濫用 |
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618.06 |
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好 |
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619.06 |
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但是最後呢 |
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622.06 |
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雖然雷聲大雨點小 |
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就是看起來呢 |
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625.06 |
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大規模的調查 |
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報告 |