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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:11,340 | 好 謝謝主席 請備題名人 |
| 00:00:11,340 | 00:00:12,600 | 請 |
| 00:00:12,600 | 00:00:14,600 | 我們張備題名人 |
| 00:00:14,600 | 00:00:23,420 | 好 備題名人好 |
| 00:00:23,420 | 00:00:24,520 | 我也好 |
| 00:00:24,520 | 00:00:26,880 | 我有看你的自傳 看你的報告 |
| 00:00:27,000 | 00:00:30,939 | 我必須講 跟很多位備題名人比較起來 |
| 00:00:30,939 | 00:00:34,940 | 你的自傳的報告都非常的簡要 |
| 00:00:34,940 | 00:00:39,760 | 在您有限的自傳的敘述裡面 |
| 00:00:39,760 | 00:00:43,379 | 提到您曾經進入老委會 |
| 00:00:43,379 | 00:00:47,860 | 就是現在勞動部前身擔任主委的基要秘書 |
| 00:00:47,860 | 00:00:53,960 | 您是擔任前主委 盧天琳主委的基要秘書嗎 |
| 00:00:53,960 | 00:00:55,720 | 是 |
| 00:00:55,740 | 00:01:00,040 | 我覺得這個經驗可能不是很好的經驗 |
| 00:01:00,040 | 00:01:05,440 | 我想盧天琳她後來所爆發的種種的弊案跟爭議 |
| 00:01:05,440 | 00:01:09,660 | 她應該算是史上最糟糕的 |
| 00:01:09,660 | 00:01:12,560 | 老委會主委或勞動部部長 |
| 00:01:12,560 | 00:01:15,920 | 那在她的任內 |
| 00:01:15,920 | 00:01:21,460 | 就是有她貪污挪用公款去做選舉的問題 |
| 00:01:21,479 | 00:01:30,780 | 然後她後來去擔任亞洲航空公司的董事長 |
| 00:01:30,780 | 00:01:33,100 | 也濫訴勞工 |
| 00:01:33,100 | 00:01:37,600 | 而且事實上有很多勞工都在投訴她 |
| 00:01:37,600 | 00:01:39,839 | 那行徑極為囂張跟惡劣 |
| 00:01:39,839 | 00:01:42,119 | 如果以現在的標準來講 |
| 00:01:42,119 | 00:01:46,119 | 簡直是完全沒有辦法為社會接受 |
| 00:01:46,119 | 00:01:50,119 | 所以我想請問備題名人 |
| 00:01:50,140 | 00:01:54,900 | 基本上你覺得你那一段的經歷願意特別寫在你的志傳上 |
| 00:01:54,900 | 00:01:56,900 | 你覺得是一個好的經歷嗎 |
| 00:02:00,560 | 00:02:02,440 | 我大概在 |
| 00:02:02,440 | 00:02:04,620 | 因為當時我是 |
| 00:02:04,620 | 00:02:07,660 | 當時盧天琳委員 |
| 00:02:07,660 | 00:02:10,900 | 她那時候是民進黨的部分區立委 |
| 00:02:10,900 | 00:02:14,220 | 那我本來就是在她立委的辦公室 |
| 00:02:14,220 | 00:02:15,740 | 所以跟著她進入老委會 |
| 00:02:15,760 | 00:02:18,760 | 後來她在立委的最後一年 |
| 00:02:18,760 | 00:02:22,480 | 到勞動部老委會擔任主委一年 |
| 00:02:22,480 | 00:02:24,120 | 那所以呢 |
| 00:02:24,120 | 00:02:27,960 | 我當時就協助她在勞動部 |
| 00:02:27,960 | 00:02:29,960 | 所以你認不認爲她的這個 |
| 00:02:29,960 | 00:02:33,640 | 我剛才講史上最糟糕的老委會主委 |
| 00:02:33,640 | 00:02:35,640 | 沒有冤枉她吧 |
| 00:02:37,400 | 00:02:38,120 | 備題名人 |
| 00:02:38,120 | 00:02:40,120 | 你是被提名為監委 |
| 00:02:40,120 | 00:02:40,720 | 是 |
| 00:02:40,740 | 00:02:45,740 | 如果你連她已經受到司法的制裁 |
| 00:02:45,740 | 00:02:48,740 | 包含她這個 |
| 00:02:48,740 | 00:02:49,740 | 對不起 |
| 00:02:49,740 | 00:02:54,740 | 包含她這個就有關於貪污的部分 |
| 00:02:54,740 | 00:02:57,740 | 或者是她濫訴勞工的部分 |
| 00:02:57,740 | 00:03:00,740 | 你都還沒有辦法有一個定見的話 |
| 00:03:00,740 | 00:03:04,740 | 那你如果當上監委我不曉得你能夠監察誰 |
| 00:03:04,740 | 00:03:07,740 | 沒有我的意思是說她的部分 |
| 00:03:07,740 | 00:03:09,740 | 所謂的涉貪的部分 |
| 00:03:09,760 | 00:03:13,760 | 她已經得到司法 |
| 00:03:13,760 | 00:03:15,760 | 在進入司法的審判 |
| 00:03:15,760 | 00:03:18,760 | 那也有受到司法相關的懲處 |
| 00:03:18,760 | 00:03:20,760 | 那我覺得呢 |
| 00:03:20,760 | 00:03:23,760 | 我們這個社會上 |
| 00:03:23,760 | 00:03:28,760 | 每個人應該對於這個受過司法案件懲處的未來人 |
| 00:03:28,760 | 00:03:32,760 | 她如果後來願意這個認錯 |
| 00:03:32,760 | 00:03:35,760 | 因為你被提名的是監察委員 |
| 00:03:35,780 | 00:03:39,780 | 如果你還沒有辦法針對雖然是你的老長官 |
| 00:03:39,780 | 00:03:44,780 | 有一個符合社會期待的一個評價的話 |
| 00:03:44,780 | 00:03:47,780 | 其實會讓外界認為 |
| 00:03:47,780 | 00:03:52,780 | 你到底能不能夠去執行你的監察的任務 |
| 00:03:52,780 | 00:03:53,780 | 會有疑問 |
| 00:03:53,780 | 00:03:56,780 | 另外在你的自傳裡面 |
| 00:03:56,780 | 00:04:00,780 | 也提到剛才前面郭國文委員也提到 |
| 00:04:00,780 | 00:04:02,780 | 你提到有關於派遣跟外送員 |
| 00:04:02,800 | 00:04:05,800 | 這樣新習態的一個勞工 |
| 00:04:05,800 | 00:04:07,800 | 她的相關的權益 |
| 00:04:07,800 | 00:04:11,800 | 要怎麼在制度上建立跟重視 |
| 00:04:11,800 | 00:04:13,800 | 那最近發生一件事情 |
| 00:04:13,800 | 00:04:17,800 | 就是Over-Aids的外送員 |
| 00:04:17,800 | 00:04:21,800 | 他們去北檢去提告 |
| 00:04:21,800 | 00:04:25,800 | 最主要就是我們在立法院通過了外送專法 |
| 00:04:25,800 | 00:04:27,800 | 而這些平台呢 |
| 00:04:27,800 | 00:04:28,800 | 說他會執行 |
| 00:04:28,800 | 00:04:31,800 | 他會依法來給付 |
| 00:04:31,820 | 00:04:32,820 | 但是呢 |
| 00:04:32,820 | 00:04:34,820 | 現在時間到了 |
| 00:04:34,820 | 00:04:36,820 | 他在七月份上路 |
| 00:04:36,820 | 00:04:39,820 | 可是外送員就發現他們利用演算法 |
| 00:04:39,820 | 00:04:42,820 | 事實上並沒有依法給付 |
| 00:04:42,820 | 00:04:45,820 | 所以他們去按鈴申告 |
| 00:04:45,820 | 00:04:50,820 | 其實照理說他們應該跟勞動部去投訴 |
| 00:04:50,820 | 00:04:51,820 | 我們這一點 |
| 00:04:51,820 | 00:04:56,820 | 我們的立法委員們也會來請勞動部 |
| 00:04:56,820 | 00:04:57,820 | 予以協助 |
| 00:04:57,820 | 00:04:59,820 | 而且應該予以調查 |
| 00:04:59,840 | 00:05:04,840 | 可是他們採取的是去北檢去提告 |
| 00:05:04,840 | 00:05:06,840 | 所以這也充分顯示出 |
| 00:05:06,840 | 00:05:07,840 | 我們的外送員 |
| 00:05:07,840 | 00:05:10,840 | 即使已經有外送專法 |
| 00:05:10,840 | 00:05:12,840 | 照理應該可以保護他 |
| 00:05:12,840 | 00:05:13,840 | 但是呢 |
| 00:05:13,840 | 00:05:17,840 | 業者還是巧妙的利用演算法 |
| 00:05:17,840 | 00:05:19,840 | 去迴避他應有的責任 |
| 00:05:19,840 | 00:05:21,840 | 所以請問一下被提名人 |
| 00:05:21,840 | 00:05:23,840 | 你怎麼來看這個事件 |
| 00:05:23,840 | 00:05:27,840 | 外送業者運用這種演算法 |
| 00:05:27,859 | 00:05:30,859 | 來刻刻勞工的權益 |
| 00:05:30,859 | 00:05:31,859 | 這個在國外 |
| 00:05:31,859 | 00:05:35,859 | 我們把它稱之為演算法獨裁這個部分 |
| 00:05:35,859 | 00:05:36,859 | 那我覺得呢 |
| 00:05:36,859 | 00:05:39,859 | 這個新法通過以後 |
| 00:05:39,859 | 00:05:43,859 | 我覺得既然賦予國家公權力 |
| 00:05:43,859 | 00:05:46,859 | 可以來針對平台業者 |
| 00:05:46,859 | 00:05:48,859 | 來行政處罰的話 |
| 00:05:48,859 | 00:05:49,859 | 那我覺得當然 |
| 00:05:49,859 | 00:05:53,859 | 這個如果外送員他有權益受損 |
| 00:05:53,859 | 00:05:56,859 | 自然行政單位應該要依法來裁罰 |
| 00:05:56,880 | 00:05:58,880 | 平台業者才對 |
| 00:05:58,880 | 00:06:01,880 | 如果當然行政單位 |
| 00:06:01,880 | 00:06:03,880 | 如果有所缺失 |
| 00:06:03,880 | 00:06:05,880 | 有所帶墮的話 |
| 00:06:05,880 | 00:06:07,880 | 那監察委員應該 |
| 00:06:07,880 | 00:06:09,880 | 自然一定要發動來調查 |
| 00:06:09,880 | 00:06:12,880 | 我覺得這個法律剛通過 |
| 00:06:12,880 | 00:06:13,880 | 怎麼樣來落實 |
| 00:06:13,880 | 00:06:16,880 | 來照顧到這些非典勞工 |
| 00:06:16,880 | 00:06:18,880 | 我覺得是整個社會的共識 |
| 00:06:18,880 | 00:06:19,880 | 另外一件話 |
| 00:06:19,880 | 00:06:24,880 | 也跟這個你過去應該關心的議題 |
| 00:06:24,900 | 00:06:26,900 | 我想請問一下 |
| 00:06:26,900 | 00:06:28,900 | 現在行政院事實上 |
| 00:06:28,900 | 00:06:30,900 | 立法院朝野都有共識 |
| 00:06:30,900 | 00:06:35,900 | 為了要幫助我們年輕的父母育兒 |
| 00:06:35,900 | 00:06:36,900 | 所以呢 |
| 00:06:36,900 | 00:06:40,900 | 我們有開放外籍幫傭的一個政策 |
| 00:06:40,900 | 00:06:42,900 | 也就是有一個小孩 |
| 00:06:42,900 | 00:06:45,900 | 12歲以下的小孩的家庭 |
| 00:06:45,900 | 00:06:48,900 | 就可以聘用外籍幫傭 |
| 00:06:48,900 | 00:06:50,900 | 請問一下被提名人 |
| 00:06:50,900 | 00:06:53,900 | 這個政策您支持嗎 |
| 00:06:53,919 | 00:06:56,919 | 並請外籍幫傭12歲以下 |
| 00:06:56,919 | 00:06:59,919 | 我個人是覺得就是說 |
| 00:06:59,919 | 00:07:03,919 | 國家應該優先的來 |
| 00:07:03,919 | 00:07:05,919 | 這個擴大所謂的 |
| 00:07:05,919 | 00:07:08,919 | 公共托育的一個照顧的能量 |
| 00:07:08,919 | 00:07:10,919 | 那讓這一些 |
| 00:07:10,919 | 00:07:12,919 | 所以你這個政策已經是公開的 |
| 00:07:12,919 | 00:07:14,919 | 行政院已經正式宣布 |
| 00:07:14,919 | 00:07:16,919 | 對 那我意思就是說 |
| 00:07:16,919 | 00:07:18,919 | 因為你說請家庭幫傭 |
| 00:07:18,919 | 00:07:19,919 | 事實上每個月 |
| 00:07:19,940 | 00:07:21,940 | 每個月耗費的薪資 |
| 00:07:21,940 | 00:07:23,940 | 恐怕不是一個一般的 |
| 00:07:23,940 | 00:07:25,940 | 我們的上班族的家庭 |
| 00:07:25,940 | 00:07:26,940 | 可以負擔得起的 |
| 00:07:26,940 | 00:07:27,940 | 所以我覺得呢 |
| 00:07:27,940 | 00:07:30,940 | 這個部分可能即使開放了 |
| 00:07:30,940 | 00:07:33,940 | 可能只是解決某一部分的社會問題 |
| 00:07:33,940 | 00:07:34,940 | 所以你不支持 |
| 00:07:34,940 | 00:07:36,940 | 它只是一種錦上添花的 |
| 00:07:36,940 | 00:07:39,940 | 我個人覺得擴大公共托育的 |
| 00:07:39,940 | 00:07:41,940 | 讓而且是平價優質的公共托育 |
| 00:07:41,940 | 00:07:43,940 | 我覺得這才是對 |
| 00:07:43,940 | 00:07:45,940 | 我們一般普遍上班族 |
| 00:07:45,940 | 00:07:47,940 | 雙性家庭的這個 |
| 00:07:47,960 | 00:07:49,960 | 好 這個呢 |
| 00:07:49,960 | 00:07:50,960 | 當時呢 |
| 00:07:50,960 | 00:07:52,960 | 這個監察院 |
| 00:07:52,960 | 00:07:55,960 | 國家人權會也出來反對這個新制 |
| 00:07:55,960 | 00:07:57,960 | 但是這個是一個朝野 |
| 00:07:57,960 | 00:07:59,960 | 包含行政院跟立法院 |
| 00:07:59,960 | 00:08:00,960 | 像我自己本身 |
| 00:08:00,960 | 00:08:02,960 | 我也支持這樣的一個政策 |
| 00:08:02,960 | 00:08:04,960 | 那我必須要講 |
| 00:08:04,960 | 00:08:06,960 | 就是說以我們現在少子化 |
| 00:08:06,960 | 00:08:09,960 | 我個人支持勞動普這項新制 |
| 00:08:09,960 | 00:08:11,960 | 但是我可以看到 |
| 00:08:11,960 | 00:08:13,960 | 我們的這個被提名人 |
| 00:08:13,960 | 00:08:15,960 | 看起來你對這個 |
| 00:08:15,979 | 00:08:17,979 | 這個政策 |
| 00:08:17,979 | 00:08:18,979 | 你看起來有反對 |
| 00:08:18,979 | 00:08:20,979 | 但是我也講 |
| 00:08:20,979 | 00:08:23,979 | 雖然監察院後來有表示反對 |
| 00:08:23,979 | 00:08:25,979 | 最後也不了了之 |
| 00:08:25,979 | 00:08:27,979 | 也沒有對行政院這項政策 |
| 00:08:27,979 | 00:08:29,979 | 有任何的調查 |
| 00:08:29,979 | 00:08:31,979 | 或有任何的意見 |
| 00:08:31,979 | 00:08:33,980 | 那另外因為被提名人 |
| 00:08:33,980 | 00:08:35,980 | 你是第一次被提名 |
| 00:08:35,980 | 00:08:36,980 | 對不對 |
| 00:08:36,980 | 00:08:38,980 | 那我想請教你一件事情 |
| 00:08:41,980 | 00:08:44,980 | 在這一屆的監委裡面 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 爆發了一個在外界討論 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 非常多的 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:53,000 | 就是有濫用公務預算 |
| 00:08:53,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 就是公務車 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 事實上這個涉及好幾位的監委 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:03,000 | 那包括前秘書長 |
| 00:09:03,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 也因此而下台 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:07,000 | 監察院呢 |
| 00:09:07,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 雖然說啟動了調查 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:11,000 | 但是呢 |
| 00:09:11,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 除了呂敬義秘書長 |
| 00:09:13,020 | 00:09:16,020 | 他是自己主動請辭下台之外 |
| 00:09:16,020 | 00:09:18,020 | 其他的監委呢 |
| 00:09:18,020 | 00:09:20,020 | 事實上也就沒事了 |
| 00:09:20,020 | 00:09:21,020 | 包含呢 |
| 00:09:21,020 | 00:09:24,020 | 這次提名的副院長的人選 |
| 00:09:24,020 | 00:09:26,020 | 其實他也深陷 |
| 00:09:26,020 | 00:09:28,020 | 這個濫用公務車的 |
| 00:09:28,020 | 00:09:30,020 | 這個整個的風暴之中 |
| 00:09:30,020 | 00:09:31,020 | 因為啊 |
| 00:09:31,020 | 00:09:33,020 | 你是新提名的 |
| 00:09:33,020 | 00:09:35,020 | 我想你應該可以用比較 |
| 00:09:35,020 | 00:09:36,020 | 中性啊 |
| 00:09:36,020 | 00:09:39,020 | 這不非涉及的事情 |
| 00:09:39,020 | 00:09:40,020 | 你怎麼看 |
| 00:09:40,020 | 00:09:42,020 | 就是身為國台大人 |
| 00:09:42,040 | 00:09:43,040 | 然後呢 |
| 00:09:43,040 | 00:09:45,040 | 在公務車的濫用上 |
| 00:09:45,040 | 00:09:47,040 | 被外界質疑 |
| 00:09:47,040 | 00:09:50,040 | 但是後來調查不了了之 |
| 00:09:50,040 | 00:09:51,040 | 你怎麼來看 |
| 00:09:51,040 | 00:09:52,040 | 我覺得監察委員 |
| 00:09:52,040 | 00:09:54,040 | 作為他要彈劾 |
| 00:09:54,040 | 00:09:56,040 | 我們所有的百官 |
| 00:09:56,040 | 00:09:57,040 | 的這種地位呢 |
| 00:09:57,040 | 00:10:00,040 | 我覺得事實上要更謹慎 |
| 00:10:00,040 | 00:10:04,040 | 自己要對自己的地位要更謹慎 |
| 00:10:04,040 | 00:10:06,040 | 那我覺得這個公務車的 |
| 00:10:06,040 | 00:10:07,040 | 這一個使用 |
| 00:10:07,040 | 00:10:09,040 | 我覺得監察院呢 |
| 00:10:09,040 | 00:10:10,040 | 應該要有一個 |
| 00:10:10,040 | 00:10:11,040 | 更明確的一個方式 |
| 00:10:11,060 | 00:10:13,060 | 而且是更透明的一個方式 |
| 00:10:13,060 | 00:10:15,060 | 讓社會大眾知道 |
| 00:10:15,060 | 00:10:17,060 | 這個公務車不會被濫用 |
| 00:10:17,060 | 00:10:18,060 | 好 |
| 00:10:18,060 | 00:10:19,060 | 但是最後呢 |
| 00:10:19,060 | 00:10:22,060 | 雖然雷聲大雨點小 |
| 00:10:22,060 | 00:10:23,060 | 就是看起來呢 |
| 00:10:23,060 | 00:10:25,060 | 大規模的調查 |
| 00:10:25,060 | 00:10:26,060 | 報告 |