| IVOD_ID |
170908 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170908 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-11 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-11T15:54:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-11T16:05:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a2ba9baf7944336122fefeef5a84137922f260bc4224891ad66544989aad5451aa0c9bef82072cda5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許忠信 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:54:46 - 16:05:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第2次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為監察院第六屆監察委員任期於115年7月31日屆滿。茲依據憲法增修條文第7條第2項、監察院組織法第3條之1及監察院國家人權委員會組織法第3條規定，提名陳永興、王榮璋、高天惠Eleng Tjaljimaraw、張菊芳、張烽益、林惠芳、孫一信、李麗芬、陳景峻、彭紹瑾、廖婉汝、葉宜津、林麗瑩、侯廷昌、李光章、林文程、賴鼎銘、邱駿彥、徐光蓉、邱泰源、賴振昌、莊勝榮、吳梓生、王志誠、Iban Nokan、謝政達、林佳範、許有為、趙卿惠29位為監察院第七屆監察委員，並以陳永興為院長兼任監察院國家人權委員會主任委員、王榮璋為副院長；王榮璋、高天惠Eleng Tjaljimaraw、張菊芳、張烽益、林惠芳、孫一信、李麗芬7位適用監察院組織法第3條之1第1項第7款資格，咨請同意案（本案經本院第11屆第5會期第15次會議決定，有關總統提名廖婉汝、謝政達為第七屆監察委員部分，毋庸處理，其餘交全院委員會審查）。） |
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主席 |
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我們有請張局方 張律師 |
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請張貝提明人 |
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張律師好 |
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您好 |
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我對律師這個職務非常的敬重 |
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因為我也曾經開業當律師 |
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不到三個月我就關門 |
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我今天要來跟張律師請教 |
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我們在台大法學院念書的時候 |
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我們受教於劉慶瑞 林濟東大法官 |
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還有我們蔡敦明老師 |
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他們的教誨還有沒有在你的心中 |
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老師的教誨我想 |
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我雖然不一定是如何的學生 |
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但是老師的教誨是在我心中的 |
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這也是我前面提到 |
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我為什麼會提就是說 |
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這些是對我後續我的工作職業律師 |
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以及擔任監委 |
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這是有很大的幫忙的 |
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所以我對您的期待非常的高 |
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謝謝您 |
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我來擔任立法委員 |
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我吃完飯都會到台大法學 |
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去那邊散步 |
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我想到的就是這些師長 |
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當時對我們的教導 |
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我們今天這個問題要來請教您 |
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也就是說我們本院所通過的法律案 |
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預算案 |
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行政院長如果覺得自愛難行 |
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根據我們的憲法本文57條 |
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也就是舊法 |
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行政院長要辭職或是應急接受 |
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那我們根據新法 |
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也就是徵修條文第三條 |
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只有應急接受 |
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已經沒有辭職的選項 |
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這個差異表示說 |
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132 |
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137 |
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我們現在已經從雙重行政所長制 |
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137 |
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偏向這個 |
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140 |
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143 |
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比較偏向總統制 |
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143 |
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147 |
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所以當我們本院所通過的法律案 |
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147 |
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152 |
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我們現在中興大學法律系畢業的 |
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156 |
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卓榮泰行政院長 |
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156 |
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他不附屬 |
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158 |
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161 |
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我個人從我台大法學 |
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161 |
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他可能是中興法學 |
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167 |
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我台大法學認為這是違憲的 |
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167 |
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169 |
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您覺得如何 |
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169 |
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174 |
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委員我想你有非常深厚的法學背景 |
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174 |
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176 |
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是非常感到敬佩的一個地方 |
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176 |
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您就議題的部分也都點出他的爭點 |
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182 |
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但是我這邊要說明的 |
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182 |
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185 |
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這也是外界常常質疑的 |
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185 |
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187 |
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監察院你為什麼不辦 |
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187 |
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190 |
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因而會衍生出 |
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190 |
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192 |
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你為什麼辦得很少 |
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192 |
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194 |
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那樣的案子你為什麼不辦 |
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194 |
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所以這個部分如果牽涉到 |
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197 |
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199 |
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因為我們是權力分立 |
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199 |
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202 |
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在目前我們是最高憲政機關監察的 |
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202 |
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204 |
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我們有權力分立 |
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204 |
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206 |
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分立並且相違 |
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206 |
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208 |
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所以我們都是尊重的 |
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208 |
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210 |
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司法也是尊重 |
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210 |
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214 |
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也就是說如果這一塊是屬於憲政爭議的 |
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214 |
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217 |
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您剛剛都點到非常爭點 |
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217 |
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218 |
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我們叫法律爭點 |
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218 |
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220 |
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法律爭點您都提出來了 |
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220 |
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223 |
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這些法律爭點的疑義 |
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223 |
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226 |
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恐怕是憲政層次要去處理的 |
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226 |
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228 |
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憲法法庭要去處理了 |
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228 |
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231 |
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但我們這邊會處理的就是說 |
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231 |
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233 |
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監察院要處理的 |
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233 |
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238 |
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如果在整個人員他有違法失職 |
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238 |
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240 |
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違背法令 |
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240 |
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242 |
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而且有失職 |
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242 |
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244 |
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情節重大的 |
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244 |
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246 |
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他就會回到我們監院的處理 |
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246 |
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249 |
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但是我想他有憲政層次的問題 |
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我想這也是我身為法律人 |
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252 |
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我認為身為法律人 |
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253 |
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255 |
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我也深刻期許的 |
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255 |
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257 |
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該尊重你一定要尊重 |
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259 |
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這是人家憲政機關要處理的 |
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259 |
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262 |
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為什麼你監察院要這樣子去處理呢 |
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262 |
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264 |
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這是不宜的 |
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264 |
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266 |
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您都點出了非常好的問題 |
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266 |
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268 |
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我們憲法之下 |
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268 |
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270 |
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我們現在五院 |
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270 |
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271 |
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對不對 |
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271 |
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274 |
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監察院、立法院、行政院 |
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274 |
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276 |
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所以我們監察院 |
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276 |
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281 |
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認為行政院有違法失職 |
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281 |
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283 |
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就要彈劾糾正 |
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283 |
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285 |
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這個不必等到釋憲 |
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285 |
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287 |
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那是司法權 |
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287 |
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289 |
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那麼你是監察權 |
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289 |
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291 |
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監察跟司法是平行的 |
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291 |
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294 |
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我們監察沒必要等司法院來認定 |
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294 |
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296 |
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有沒有違憲 |
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296 |
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298 |
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是的 是平行的 |
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298 |
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302 |
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我們沒有要等你司法的判斷或如何 |
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302 |
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306 |
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但是因為我們的調查有涉及到 |
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306 |
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308 |
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我們所謂的誤望誤眾 |
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308 |
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310 |
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我的資料一定要完整 |
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310 |
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313 |
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我不能很片段的去處理 |
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313 |
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316 |
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這個就是監察職權之所在 |
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316 |
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318 |
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如果您成為監委以後 |
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318 |
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320 |
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至少就行政院長不附屬 |
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320 |
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322 |
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你會要申請立案 |
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322 |
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324 |
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再來調查證據 |
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324 |
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326 |
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不是就是說 |
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326 |
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327 |
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因為這也是一個個案 |
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327 |
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329 |
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不好意思這還是個案 |
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329 |
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332 |
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但是我想因為憲法法庭的處理 |
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332 |
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333 |
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現在已經不是個案了 |
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333 |
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335 |
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好多法律都不被附屬 |
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335 |
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338 |
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是我們台灣現在的行政院長 |
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338 |
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341 |
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他不尊重我們立法權 |
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341 |
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348 |
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一個人就可以把2300萬選出來的人民的立法院 |
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348 |
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350 |
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所通過的法律案預算案 |
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350 |
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353 |
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就不再附屬 |
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353 |
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355 |
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這個是明顯違憲 |
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355 |
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357 |
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所以已經是違法可以彈劾 |
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357 |
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362 |
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但我認為中間是有些爭議的之所在 |
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362 |
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363 |
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因為我們法律人 |
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363 |
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367 |
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我們會對一個法律意見確實是會非常堅持的 |
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367 |
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369 |
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但是法律意見並不單一 |
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369 |
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372 |
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它有些就是爭議之所在 |
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372 |
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375 |
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所以我認為這也是我到監院之後 |
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375 |
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377 |
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我認為我處理事情 |
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377 |
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379 |
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我不要只有一個角度 |
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379 |
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382 |
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這也是之所以我辦理很多多言 |
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382 |
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384 |
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我認為要從不同的角度一起看 |
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384 |
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386 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
我才會有一個勿忘勿忠 |
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386 |
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389 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
我法律人或許您問我 |
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389 |
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390 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
我有一個法律意見 |
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390 |
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391 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
我可以堅持 |
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391 |
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393 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
但是我身為監委 |
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393 |
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394 |
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我就不該如此而已 |
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394 |
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396 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
我一定要全面去看 |
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396 |
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398 |
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假設有憲法爭議 |
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398 |
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399 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
我認為有個爭議在 |
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399 |
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401 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
但每個人看法不一樣 |
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401 |
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403 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
我認為這裡出現了一個爭議 |
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403 |
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406 |
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這個爭議又不是監法院可以處理的時候 |
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406 |
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410 |
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我想我們就要再看一下這個爭議的處理 |
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410 |
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411 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
謝謝 |
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411 |
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412 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
另外一個問題 |
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412 |
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413 |
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是 |
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413 |
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415 |
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本黨主席柯文哲 |
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415 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
在偵查階段 |
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417 |
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419 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
我們有偵查不公開 |
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419 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
420 |
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是 |
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420 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
但是各位可以看到柯文哲主席的案件 |
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424 |
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427 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
在偵查不公開這個原則之下 |
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427 |
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431 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
竟然有一個媒體鏡周刊 |
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431 |
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434 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
他幾乎是同時的發佈新聞 |
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434 |
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437 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
甚至搶先發佈新聞 |
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437 |
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440 |
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這個有沒有違反偵查不公開 |
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440 |
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442 |
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其實偵查不公開 |
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442 |
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444 |
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我個人以前在法界的時候 |
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444 |
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446 |
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我就非常的注意 |
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446 |
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448 |
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非常重視 |
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448 |
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450 |
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注意而且重視 |
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450 |
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453 |
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你既然是不要在偵查階段 |
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453 |
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456 |
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這個是一個偵查不公開的階段 |
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456 |
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460 |
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你到底外界是如何得知的呢 |
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460 |
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465 |
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所以表示說您願意成為監委以後 |
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465 |
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470 |
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對於北檢針對柯文哲主席的案件 |
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470 |
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472 |
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那種訊息的外洩 |
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472 |
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476 |
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如果有人違法要彈劾 |
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476 |
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479 |
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有事情不對要糾正對不對 |
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479 |
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482 |
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因為我回到一個 |
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482 |
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485 |
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這會有個案的問題 |
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485 |
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488 |
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但是假設我們看到 |
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488 |
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490 |
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有違法失職的部分 |
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490 |
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492 |
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因為這個就是說 |
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492 |
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495 |
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我們調查就是你要有相當的事證 |
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495 |
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498 |
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包括偵查不公開這件事情 |
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501 |
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他的外洩是怎麼樣的一個情況 |
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501 |
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504 |
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那個流向是如何的 |
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504 |
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506 |
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從哪裡流從哪裡出 |
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506 |
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508 |
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為什麼外界會知道 |
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508 |
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510 |
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既然媒體會先知道 |
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510 |
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511 |
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如此等等的 |
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511 |
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514 |
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這是一個偵查不公開的機制 |
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514 |
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516 |
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我想要被這個 |
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516 |
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518 |
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這是非常重要一個原則 |
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518 |
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520 |
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非常重要一個原則 |
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520 |
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523 |
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在你發言人報告裡面第四頁有提到 |
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523 |
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526 |
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你有參與一個防治酷刑的機制 |
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526 |
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527 |
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是 |
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527 |
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528 |
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四刑計畫 |
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528 |
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529 |
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是 |
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529 |
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534 |
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聯合國人權組織他曾經認定 |
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534 |
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538 |
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邊刑是一種酷刑 |
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538 |
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540 |
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你認為邊刑 |
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540 |
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543 |
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聯合國這個人權組織這樣一個認定 |
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543 |
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545 |
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您認為如何 |
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545 |
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547 |
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我其實我自己針對 |
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547 |
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549 |
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我當時為什麼會 |
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549 |
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550 |
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雖然是第一年 |
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550 |
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553 |
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我對酷刑我是非常不能接受的 |
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553 |
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556 |
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所以我當時就參加了那個四刑計畫 |
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556 |
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558 |
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我進行訪視 |
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558 |
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560 |
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我那個場次都是 |
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560 |
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562 |
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就是要去了解到 |
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562 |
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565 |
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他是不是有酷刑的一個發生等等一個狀況 |
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565 |
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567 |
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在四刑的刑法之下 |
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567 |
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569 |
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你都認為已經有酷刑 |
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569 |
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572 |
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聯合國所認定的邊刑是否 |
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572 |
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574 |
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是您所講的酷刑 |
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574 |
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578 |
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聯合國認為的這個邊刑是不是 |
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578 |
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580 |
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我不曉得 |
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580 |
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584 |
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我不曉得這個邊刑是放在哪一個位階的一個討論 |
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584 |
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585 |
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司法邊刑 |
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585 |
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587 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
他在司法邊刑 |
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587 |
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589 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
Judicial Canon |
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589 |
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591 |
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我覺得這個議題就是說 |
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591 |
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593 |
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我們現在很多這個法治面的問題 |
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593 |
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595 |
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我之前其實是 |
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595 |
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598 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
有這個召集組織修法 |
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598 |
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600 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
他很多的議題 |
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600 |
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602 |
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外界會有所質疑 |
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602 |
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604 |
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但他要抓到他的核心價值 |
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604 |
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606 |
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就是說你今天是在 |
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606 |
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608 |
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就是說外界會從人民的角度 |
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608 |
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610 |
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你犯了這麼重大的一個罪 |
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610 |
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612 |
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我是不是要施刑刑 |
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612 |
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614 |
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但是你換了一個角度 |
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614 |
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616 |
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還有是不是有人權的角度 |
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616 |
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618 |
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所以他必須是會在這一些價值裡面 |
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618 |
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620 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
他做出一個權衡 |
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620 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
其實這個部分都賴這個 |
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622 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
626 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
你們這個有深厚法律背景的 |
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626 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
做這個法律的一個刑 |
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628 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
所以張律師您覺得 |
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630 |
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632 |
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邊刑是酷刑 |
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632 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
634 |
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酷刑 |