| IVOD_ID |
170907 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170907 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-11 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-11T15:43:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-11T15:54:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a2ba9baf794433616eaa639d5013a18c22f260bc4224891a8aadb4d5ba591282b2c76d9d4ef1a3e25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:43:18 - 15:54:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第2次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為監察院第六屆監察委員任期於115年7月31日屆滿。茲依據憲法增修條文第7條第2項、監察院組織法第3條之1及監察院國家人權委員會組織法第3條規定，提名陳永興、王榮璋、高天惠Eleng Tjaljimaraw、張菊芳、張烽益、林惠芳、孫一信、李麗芬、陳景峻、彭紹瑾、廖婉汝、葉宜津、林麗瑩、侯廷昌、李光章、林文程、賴鼎銘、邱駿彥、徐光蓉、邱泰源、賴振昌、莊勝榮、吳梓生、王志誠、Iban Nokan、謝政達、林佳範、許有為、趙卿惠29位為監察院第七屆監察委員，並以陳永興為院長兼任監察院國家人權委員會主任委員、王榮璋為副院長；王榮璋、高天惠Eleng Tjaljimaraw、張菊芳、張烽益、林惠芳、孫一信、李麗芬7位適用監察院組織法第3條之1第1項第7款資格，咨請同意案（本案經本院第11屆第5會期第15次會議決定，有關總統提名廖婉汝、謝政達為第七屆監察委員部分，毋庸處理，其餘交全院委員會審查）。） |
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0 |
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13.8 |
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好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].start |
13.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].end |
16.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].text |
請貝提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].start |
16.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
19.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
請張貝提名人 貝選 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
19.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
26.12 |
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好 貝提名人好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
26.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
26.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
您好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
26.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
28.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
我有看你的自傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
28.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
31.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
還有對於立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
31.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
33.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
這個我們審查的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
33.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
36.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
那您有特別強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
36.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
40.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
您有參加我們國家人權委員會的首年委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
40.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
43.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
所以按理您非常重視人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
43.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
48.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
那但是我們最近社會有幾件這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
48.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
50.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
攸關於一些人權問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
50.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
53.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
當然他也有高度的政治性 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
53.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
55.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
我想請教您的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
55.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
58.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
比如說今年九合一選舉又到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
58.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
63.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
但是我們回顧過去幾個重大的選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
63.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
68.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
都發生了以所謂的反滲透法 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
68.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
75.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
或者國安法在選前大舉的搜索或者是積壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
75.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
80 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
那這裡面其實比較我們為人所熟知的 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
80 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
84.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
包含在2022 24年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
84.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
86.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
2024年像我們立委選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
86.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
90.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
我們台北市幾乎很多的里長 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
90.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
95.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
通通被約談甚至沒收手機 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
95.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
99.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
那另外在2024年選舉的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
99.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
102.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
在選前的幾天 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
102.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
103.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
一個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
103.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
106.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
有我們基隆的里長 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
106.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
110.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
因為率團到大陸去旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
110.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
111.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
他被積壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
111.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
113.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
而且被兩度積壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
113.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
117.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
他一直積壓到選前幾天才把他放出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
117.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
120.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
但是事後他都是無罪確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
120.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
122.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
而且他也因此 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
122.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
125.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
他可以得到這個刑事補償 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
125.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
127.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
大概九萬多塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
127.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
128.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
那另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
128.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
132 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
在同樣的2024年的大選的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
132 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
133.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
他不是里長 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
133.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
135.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
是一個協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
135.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
139.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
他也是到中國大陸去旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
139.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
139.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
140.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
142.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
也是說被辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
142.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
145.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
用反滲透法意圖影響選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
145.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
147.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
但是包含一審二審 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
147.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
150.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
通通被判無罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
150.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
155.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
所以我相信在今年選舉或明年選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
155.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
158 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
非常有可能這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
158 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
160.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
就是嚴重侵害人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
160.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
162.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
而且跟選舉有關係的 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
162.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
164.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
會再度的發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
164.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
166.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
我不曉得您的看法如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
166.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
169.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
另外我把它一起問完 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
169.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
170.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
170.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
173.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
那麼這幾年呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
173.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
178.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
我們常常有社會秩序維護法來送辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
178.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
182.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
那如果你看過去的他的紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
182.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
187.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
從111年到115年 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
187.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
192.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
可以看到其實移送的案件絕大部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
192.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
196.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
根本是完全不成立的 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
196.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
197.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
完全不成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
197.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
201.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
都有大概七成或到八成左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
201.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
208 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
那也就是說社會秩序維護法的移送或者約談 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
208 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
210.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
其實從這個資料看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
210.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
213.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
顯示他有濫用之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
213.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
219.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
過去監察院也曾經對幾個案子提出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
219.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
222.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
提出了警告或者提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
222.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
224.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
例如呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
224.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
228.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
曾經過去監察院就有新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
228.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
229.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
認為呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
229.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
234.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
這些警察機關以所謂的社會秩序維護法 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
234.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
236.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
移送散佈謠言的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
236.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
239.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
應該要審慎移送 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
239.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
245.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
而且應該遵循憲法保障言論自由的一個界限 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
245.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
249.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
那這幾年發生了幾件 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
249.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
251.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
大家一直都記憶猶新的 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
251.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
254.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
譬如說在網路上 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
254.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
258.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
有一個民眾他問陳菊還在嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
258.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
259.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
259.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
260.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
就四個小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
260.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
262.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
他就被約談了 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
262.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
264.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
那也有在那時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
264.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
266.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
這個超市雞蛋的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
266.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
268.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
那時候我們非常缺雞蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
268.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
271.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
有民眾把他家裡的所有臭雞蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
271.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
273.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
拋到了網路上 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
273.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
275.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
他自己碰到的臭雞蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
275.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
280 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
立刻還連夜的被約談 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
280.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
281.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
另外臺大教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
281.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
283.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
蘇鴻達教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
283.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
285.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
他在網路發表了說 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
285.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
287.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
誰消滅了故宮 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
287.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
290.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
而且是已經隔一年之久 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
290.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
293.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
還是一樣被約談 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
293.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
299.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
這幾個案件都讓外界認為是不是有濫用社會秩序維護法 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
299.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
302.16 |
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沒有真正的保障人權 |
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302.16 |
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304 |
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保障言論自由 |
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304 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
305.72 |
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像蘇鴻達那個案子 |
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305.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
308.6 |
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那個時候監察院也有提出質疑 |
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308.64 |
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313.16 |
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說事實上已經隔了一年還去移送 |
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313.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
315.48 |
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所以我不曉得 |
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315.48 |
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320.08 |
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這個被提名人針對我剛才所講的起見 |
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320.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
323.36 |
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不管是在選舉時候的大舉偵辦 |
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323.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
325.24 |
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最後無罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
325.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
326.76 |
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選完了之後就沒事 |
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326.76 |
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328.36 |
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也就無罪了 |
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328.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
330.96 |
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而很多的民眾 |
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330.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
333.72 |
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他被約談甚至被羈押 |
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333.72 |
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336.52 |
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當然是有違反人權之虞 |
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336.52 |
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338.32 |
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或者我剛才講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
338.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
342.52 |
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濫用社會秩序維護法的這樣的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
342.52 |
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345.4 |
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被提名人你的看法是什麼 |
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345.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
348.92 |
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我想首先謝謝委員的提問 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
348.92 |
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350.72 |
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我想很多事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
350.72 |
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353.96 |
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我個人不只在人權會還有監委 |
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353.96 |
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356.52 |
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我們看到很多的問題是 |
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356.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
359.76 |
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即便像現在有相關的法令機制 |
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359.76 |
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363.48 |
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但是執行面是一個最大的考驗 |
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363.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
366.52 |
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也就是說很多在執行面的部分 |
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366.56 |
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372.92 |
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他在處理上確實沒有顧及到人民權益或人民的體認 |
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372.92 |
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378.04 |
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所以這個部分常常也就是會引發外界質疑之所在 |
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378.04 |
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381.8 |
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所以這個部分我想那個是要深自期許 |
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381.8 |
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386.16 |
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下次不再做這樣一個模式處理的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
386.16 |
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389.2 |
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再者人權會他有一個功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
389.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
392.64 |
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也就是針對假設像這樣的人權議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
392.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
394.36 |
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他也是多次的發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
394.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
396.24 |
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他已經反覆的發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
396.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
398.8 |
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而且我們也看到了一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
398.8 |
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402.16 |
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這些問題有違反人權之餘的 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
402.16 |
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404.4 |
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這樣的情況我們會考慮 |
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404.4 |
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407.2 |
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要不要進入已經是一個結構性的問題 |
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407.2 |
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409.2 |
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他不只是個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
409.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
411.12 |
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既然介入結構性的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
411.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
413.84 |
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就要用一個結構性系統性的問題 |
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413.84 |
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417.2 |
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把完整的系統原因把它找出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
417.2 |
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418.64 |
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找出來之後 |
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418.64 |
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419.8 |
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我們不只 |
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419.8 |
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422.64 |
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我想外界也會說你只提個專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
422.64 |
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425.64 |
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我們要提出政策建議 |
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425.64 |
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427.64 |
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我們提出政策建議之後 |
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427.64 |
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429.92 |
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後續重點是追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
429.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
430.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
菲律賓人 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
430.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
434.04 |
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因為你之前是監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
434.04 |
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436.28 |
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因為你並不是這次新被提名 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
436.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
438.64 |
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我剛才講的社會秩序維護法 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
438.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
440.04 |
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這樣的被濫用 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
440.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
441.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
他的時間其實是蠻久的 |
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441.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
445.52 |
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我剛才甚至提出從111年開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
445.52 |
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448.8 |
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可以回溯到111年 |
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448.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
452.96 |
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其實整個的這個依社會秩序維護法移送 |
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453 |
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455.64 |
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但是事實上不乏的比例極高 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
455.64 |
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457.08 |
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可是非常遺憾的 |
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457.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
460.52 |
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我沒有看到那時候的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
460.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
463.76 |
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對這個部分有些什麼特別的 |
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463.76 |
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466.28 |
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這個的一個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
466.28 |
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468.28 |
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或者是提出檢討 |
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468.28 |
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470 |
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另外最近還發生了 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
471.52 |
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就是大家很重視食安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
471.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
474.76 |
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我剛才有注意到你也很重視食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
474.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
479.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
那麼在網路上有一個影片叫由不得你 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
479.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
480.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
這個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
480.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
481.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
警察上門 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
481.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
486.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
以所謂的他是身為AI的變照聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
486.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
488.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
然後直接上門 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
488.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
490.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
但是經過我們的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
490.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
493.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
發現了很重要的兩件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
493.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
494.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
第一件事情 |
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494.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
496.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
就是警察上門的時候 |
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496.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
498.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
根本沒有完成鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
498.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
500.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
沒有完成任何的鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
500.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
501.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
第二 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
501.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
503.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
警察上門之後 |
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503.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
508.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
根本沒有跟這個就是他找的人去詳細說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
508.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
511.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
你到底是違反哪一個條法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
511.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
515.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
所以這個事件其實也引起了非常多的爭議 |
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515.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
516.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
516.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
520.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
其實我們現在就是在政治上 |
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520.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
523.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
我們現在社會確實在政治上是對立的 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
523.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
527.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
但是如果我們的司法或者警察 |
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527.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
531.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
檢調不能夠恪守這些司法中立 |
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531.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
534.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
以及這些人權的界限的時候 |
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534.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
539.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
那麼就非常容易讓我們的國家倒退 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
539.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
542.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
讓人家以為是警察國家 |
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542.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
546.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
那另外我再請教這個被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
546.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
548.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
我看到你的報告裡面 |
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548.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
549.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
有針對 |
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549.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
552.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
你曾經針對台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
552.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
557.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
這個台南土地被偷盜廢土的處理不當 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
557.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
559.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
也有做調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
559.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
最近台糖有一個問題 |
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562 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
565.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
我自己個人覺得是沒有辦法接受的 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
565.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
569.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
就是台糖被偷盜土地很嚴重 |
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569.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
574.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
一樣台糖被欠聚在 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
574.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
579.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
就是我奶人欠他一億七千萬到現在為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
579.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
580.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
通通不還 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
580.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
583.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
你對於台糖身為國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
583.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
這樣的做法你的看法是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
586.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
是 |
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586.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
589.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
我是不是前面有個食安問題 |
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589.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
591.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
我先分兩個部分 |
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591.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
592.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
592.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
596.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
食安問題如果有一部分是進入司法調查 |
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596.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
598.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
我們會尊重司法核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
598.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
600.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
但是假設有執行不當 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
600.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
604.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
涉及到公務機關以及警察的 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
604.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
605.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
維師的部分 |
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605.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
608.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
這就是我們監察院要處理的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
608.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
610.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
這首先的說明 |
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610.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
611.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
再者我想食安 |
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611.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
我想大家非常關心從源頭通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
616.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
還有包括下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
616.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
621.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
這都是我們深切的認為很多產生的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
621.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
623.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
再者就是台糖案的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
623.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
624.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
我想第一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
624.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
626.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
委員您相當用心 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
626.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
629.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
我們確實有處理到這種偷盜這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
652.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
653.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
653.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
654.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
不讓他核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
678.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
680.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
謝謝 |