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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:04,160 | 准备后 请思路总裁向副院长提名 |
| 00:00:04,160 | 00:00:06,160 | 谢谢主席 |
| 00:00:06,160 | 00:00:08,800 | 谢谢我们的副院长、背景提名人 |
| 00:00:08,800 | 00:00:10,940 | 王融璋委员 好久不见 |
| 00:00:10,940 | 00:00:11,980 | 李总理好 |
| 00:00:11,980 | 00:00:14,880 | 今天时间有限只有十分钟 |
| 00:00:14,880 | 00:00:16,880 | 我想我直接破题 |
| 00:00:16,880 | 00:00:19,480 | 不管立法院、行政院、县政机关 |
| 00:00:19,480 | 00:00:21,760 | 都要负宪法的忠诚义务 |
| 00:00:21,760 | 00:00:23,760 | 所以监察院退无可退 |
| 00:00:23,760 | 00:00:26,820 | 这是宪法赋予监察院的责任 |
| 00:00:26,820 | 00:00:29,820 | 這是憲法賦予監察院的責任 |
| 00:00:29,820 | 00:00:32,820 | 同樣的面對立法院的違憲亂政 |
| 00:00:32,820 | 00:00:35,820 | 監察院除了要自救之外 |
| 00:00:35,820 | 00:00:37,820 | 不是只有自救 |
| 00:00:37,820 | 00:00:39,820 | 其實監察院是要救國 |
| 00:00:39,820 | 00:00:42,820 | 因為我們負有憲法忠誠的義務 |
| 00:00:42,820 | 00:00:43,820 | 我們看這個 |
| 00:00:43,820 | 00:00:46,820 | 所以所有的憲政機關平等相違 |
| 00:00:46,820 | 00:00:48,820 | 雖然監委的人事同意權 |
| 00:00:48,820 | 00:00:50,820 | 立法院行使 |
| 00:00:50,820 | 00:00:54,820 | 雖然監察院的預算是立法院監督審查 |
| 00:00:54,820 | 00:00:58,820 | 但是並不代表立法院比較大 |
| 00:00:58,820 | 00:01:00,820 | 國會優位並不存在 |
| 00:01:00,820 | 00:01:02,820 | 這是大法官一再的揭示 |
| 00:01:02,820 | 00:01:04,819 | 所以我們很希望 |
| 00:01:04,819 | 00:01:06,820 | 未來立法院跟監察院 |
| 00:01:06,820 | 00:01:08,820 | 跟其他的憲政機關 |
| 00:01:08,820 | 00:01:10,820 | 真的大家平起平坐 |
| 00:01:10,820 | 00:01:12,820 | 互相尊重 |
| 00:01:12,820 | 00:01:13,820 | 下一頁 |
| 00:01:13,820 | 00:01:16,820 | 我今天會聚焦在財政紀律 |
| 00:01:16,820 | 00:01:18,820 | 憲法第70條 |
| 00:01:18,820 | 00:01:20,820 | 預算法第91條 |
| 00:01:20,820 | 00:01:22,820 | 才化法38-1條 |
| 00:01:22,820 | 00:01:26,820 | 以及財政紀律法第5條第7條 |
| 00:01:26,820 | 00:01:29,820 | 都是現在各級政府 |
| 00:01:29,820 | 00:01:31,820 | 包括行政院跟立法院 |
| 00:01:31,820 | 00:01:34,820 | 都要看守行政的 |
| 00:01:34,820 | 00:01:36,820 | 財政紀律的基本原則 |
| 00:01:36,820 | 00:01:37,820 | 不論誰執政 |
| 00:01:37,820 | 00:01:39,820 | 不論藍綠誰當家 |
| 00:01:39,820 | 00:01:41,820 | 都要核現守法 |
| 00:01:41,820 | 00:01:44,820 | 而這當中的財政紀律法 |
| 00:01:44,820 | 00:01:47,820 | 就是當時您擔任立法院 |
| 00:01:47,820 | 00:01:48,820 | 您主題 |
| 00:01:48,820 | 00:01:50,820 | 您也在財政委員會發揮 |
| 00:01:50,820 | 00:01:52,820 | 您的資深跟專業的影響力 |
| 00:01:52,820 | 00:01:55,820 | 完成了財政紀律法的修訂 |
| 00:01:55,820 | 00:01:58,820 | 也就是我們需要 |
| 00:01:58,820 | 00:01:59,820 | 不管我強調喔 |
| 00:01:59,820 | 00:02:01,820 | 不是只規範立法委員 |
| 00:02:01,820 | 00:02:03,820 | 他也規範行政部門 |
| 00:02:03,820 | 00:02:06,820 | 你要新增任何政府支出 |
| 00:02:06,820 | 00:02:09,820 | 你要找出裁員 |
| 00:02:09,820 | 00:02:13,820 | 而且現在有財政紀律法的規範 |
| 00:02:13,820 | 00:02:17,820 | 不應當增訂固定的經費額度 |
| 00:02:17,820 | 00:02:19,820 | 或是比例保障 |
| 00:02:19,820 | 00:02:21,820 | 因為你要增加2% |
| 00:02:21,820 | 00:02:22,820 | 國防增加2% |
| 00:02:22,820 | 00:02:23,820 | 教育要增加3% |
| 00:02:23,820 | 00:02:25,820 | 社福要增加5% |
| 00:02:25,820 | 00:02:28,820 | 對於這種固定經費跟比例 |
| 00:02:28,820 | 00:02:31,820 | 您當時都努力的入法了 |
| 00:02:31,820 | 00:02:34,820 | 各級機關都要來遵守 |
| 00:02:34,820 | 00:02:36,820 | 下一頁 |
| 00:02:36,820 | 00:02:40,820 | 所以說這就是現在2019年到現在 |
| 00:02:40,820 | 00:02:43,820 | 朝野共同之時之下的財政紀律法 |
| 00:02:43,820 | 00:02:45,820 | 我再一次強調 |
| 00:02:45,820 | 00:02:47,820 | 不論誰執政都要守法 |
| 00:02:47,820 | 00:02:49,820 | 而且他不只規範 |
| 00:02:49,820 | 00:02:52,820 | 立法院不能片面修法增加政府支出 |
| 00:02:52,820 | 00:02:54,820 | 他包括也要求行政院 |
| 00:02:54,820 | 00:02:56,820 | 你要增加政府的支出 |
| 00:02:56,820 | 00:02:59,820 | 你也要有必要的稅事評估 |
| 00:02:59,820 | 00:03:01,820 | 你也要有裁員 |
| 00:03:01,820 | 00:03:05,820 | 這才是一套完整可行的財政紀律的法規 |
| 00:03:05,820 | 00:03:07,820 | 我謝謝您當初在立法院 |
| 00:03:07,820 | 00:03:09,820 | 我看到您的努力 |
| 00:03:09,820 | 00:03:10,820 | 但是呢下一頁 |
| 00:03:10,820 | 00:03:13,820 | 現在的困境就是立法院 |
| 00:03:13,820 | 00:03:15,820 | 不做好立法院的工作 |
| 00:03:15,820 | 00:03:18,820 | 立法院搶當行政院 |
| 00:03:18,820 | 00:03:20,820 | 對於預算權的強害 |
| 00:03:20,820 | 00:03:22,820 | 立法院有三害 |
| 00:03:22,820 | 00:03:23,820 | 第一害 |
| 00:03:23,820 | 00:03:27,820 | 就是嚴當二砍總預算 |
| 00:03:27,820 | 00:03:32,820 | 造成民生癱瘓造成施政不順 |
| 00:03:32,820 | 00:03:33,820 | 第二害 |
| 00:03:33,820 | 00:03:37,820 | 立法委員片面的不斷去狂提肉桶法案 |
| 00:03:37,820 | 00:03:40,820 | 錢坑法案沒有裁員的評估 |
| 00:03:40,820 | 00:03:43,820 | 支出腐爛立委大家都來當凱子 |
| 00:03:43,820 | 00:03:46,820 | 康國家之凱這是第二害 |
| 00:03:46,820 | 00:03:48,820 | 預算權強害的第三害 |
| 00:03:48,820 | 00:03:51,820 | 就是惡修了才華法 |
| 00:03:51,820 | 00:03:56,820 | 把中央的合理裁員全部都搬到地方 |
| 00:03:56,820 | 00:03:59,820 | 但沒有事權的統一 |
| 00:03:59,820 | 00:04:02,820 | 這是現在我們面對的困境下頁 |
| 00:04:02,820 | 00:04:05,820 | 所以第一害就是總預算 |
| 00:04:05,820 | 00:04:07,820 | 審一一四年的時候 |
| 00:04:07,820 | 00:04:10,820 | 史上砍最多凍結最嚴 |
| 00:04:10,820 | 00:04:12,820 | 審查過程最混亂 |
| 00:04:12,820 | 00:04:17,820 | 而現在審查今年的預算史上脫罪久 |
| 00:04:17,820 | 00:04:20,820 | 很遺憾立法院面對總預算案 |
| 00:04:20,820 | 00:04:22,820 | 不是基於專業 |
| 00:04:22,820 | 00:04:24,820 | 不是基於理性 |
| 00:04:24,820 | 00:04:28,820 | 而只是基於政治報復跟癱瘓執政 |
| 00:04:28,820 | 00:04:31,820 | 我等下會讓你統合回覆這是第一害 |
| 00:04:31,820 | 00:04:33,820 | 第二害就是無限多的錢坑法案 |
| 00:04:33,820 | 00:04:37,820 | 我就跳過這裡是一次性的支出 |
| 00:04:37,820 | 00:04:43,820 | 無法計算經費支出都是腐爛的修法 |
| 00:04:43,820 | 00:04:46,820 | 無限多的錢坑肉桶法案 |
| 00:04:46,820 | 00:04:50,820 | 讓我們的財政陷入了無底洞的困境 |
| 00:04:50,820 | 00:04:53,820 | 最新的就是未來帳戶條例 |
| 00:04:53,820 | 00:04:55,820 | 在野黨為了割到尾 |
| 00:04:55,820 | 00:05:00,820 | 沒有明定裁員還要跟中央搶功勞 |
| 00:05:00,820 | 00:05:02,820 | 康國家之凱 |
| 00:05:02,820 | 00:05:05,820 | 這個火速通過的未來帳戶 |
| 00:05:05,820 | 00:05:08,820 | 每年會增加政府支出1900多億 |
| 00:05:08,820 | 00:05:13,820 | 比行政院衡量推出的1800億還要多 |
| 00:05:13,820 | 00:05:17,820 | 這就是立法委員片面增加政府支出 |
| 00:05:17,820 | 00:05:19,820 | 沒有評估裁員 |
| 00:05:19,820 | 00:05:22,820 | 沒有評估預算之間的合理分配 |
| 00:05:22,820 | 00:05:23,820 | 下一頁 |
| 00:05:23,820 | 00:05:25,820 | 唯一我教育文化委員會 |
| 00:05:25,820 | 00:05:27,820 | 光這一個會期 |
| 00:05:27,820 | 00:05:31,820 | 藍白委員靜香的提了ABCDE |
| 00:05:31,820 | 00:05:34,820 | 這麼多個教育法案 |
| 00:05:34,820 | 00:05:36,820 | 凡事要加碼 |
| 00:05:36,820 | 00:05:38,820 | 凡事都免費 |
| 00:05:38,820 | 00:05:41,820 | 從營養午餐到學費減免 |
| 00:05:41,820 | 00:05:43,820 | 凡事都免費 |
| 00:05:43,820 | 00:05:47,820 | 立委當凱子可是要中央全買單 |
| 00:05:47,820 | 00:05:50,820 | 如果以我這個會期教育文化委員會 |
| 00:05:50,820 | 00:05:51,820 | 再也胡亂加碼 |
| 00:05:51,820 | 00:05:56,820 | 一年至少又增加國家1638億的支出 |
| 00:05:56,820 | 00:05:58,820 | 所以這是錢坑法案 |
| 00:05:58,820 | 00:06:01,820 | 跟總預算的困境 |
| 00:06:01,820 | 00:06:02,820 | 再下一頁 |
| 00:06:02,820 | 00:06:03,820 | 再下一頁 |
| 00:06:03,820 | 00:06:05,820 | 第三害就是裁劃法 |
| 00:06:05,820 | 00:06:07,820 | 裁劃法下一頁 |
| 00:06:07,820 | 00:06:11,820 | 一年搬走中央4165億 |
| 00:06:11,820 | 00:06:12,820 | 沒有問題 |
| 00:06:12,820 | 00:06:14,820 | 錢下放地方中央也在做 |
| 00:06:14,820 | 00:06:16,820 | 可是分配不正義 |
| 00:06:16,820 | 00:06:18,820 | 事權不同意 |
| 00:06:18,820 | 00:06:20,820 | 財政沒有紀律 |
| 00:06:20,820 | 00:06:23,820 | 相關法規的配套也沒有提出 |
| 00:06:23,820 | 00:06:27,820 | 這些在野黨的委員只精算政治的紅利 |
| 00:06:27,820 | 00:06:30,820 | 並不精算財政的紀律 |
| 00:06:30,820 | 00:06:32,820 | 所以我要請您統合回答 |
| 00:06:32,820 | 00:06:33,820 | 第一個也是我的要求 |
| 00:06:33,820 | 00:06:34,820 | 下一頁 |
| 00:06:34,820 | 00:06:38,820 | 審計部要獨立行使審計權 |
| 00:06:38,820 | 00:06:42,820 | 對於裁劃法這種胡亂的中央的錢 |
| 00:06:42,820 | 00:06:44,820 | 大量的灌到地方 |
| 00:06:44,820 | 00:06:47,820 | 地方大撒幣卻沒有財政的紀律 |
| 00:06:47,820 | 00:06:51,820 | 以前監察院審計部就有很多的糾正案 |
| 00:06:51,820 | 00:06:53,820 | 應當嚴格來執行 |
| 00:06:53,820 | 00:06:56,820 | 否則它就是一個大黑洞 |
| 00:06:56,820 | 00:06:58,820 | 它就是一個無底洞 |
| 00:06:58,820 | 00:07:00,820 | 所以因為財政是您的專業 |
| 00:07:00,820 | 00:07:03,820 | 財政紀律法是您當初用心推動 |
| 00:07:03,820 | 00:07:05,820 | 我也很遺憾剛剛在場的賴世寶委員 |
| 00:07:05,820 | 00:07:08,820 | 他當時也是一起力推的委員 |
| 00:07:08,820 | 00:07:11,820 | 只是換了位子換了腦袋的人 |
| 00:07:11,820 | 00:07:12,820 | 應當不是王榮章 |
| 00:07:12,820 | 00:07:15,820 | 您恐怕就是現在在野黨的委員 |
| 00:07:15,820 | 00:07:17,820 | 如賴世寶們 |
| 00:07:17,820 | 00:07:18,820 | 所以說請您總和回答 |
| 00:07:18,820 | 00:07:20,820 | 就財政紀律的部分 |
| 00:07:20,820 | 00:07:23,820 | 我剛剛說的立法院的三害 |
| 00:07:23,820 | 00:07:26,820 | 都會造成執政的不順暢 |
| 00:07:26,820 | 00:07:28,820 | 財政的不紀律 |
| 00:07:28,820 | 00:07:31,820 | 您要怎麼樣擔任副院長之後 |
| 00:07:31,820 | 00:07:36,820 | 協助導政協助中央的地方的財政 |
| 00:07:36,820 | 00:07:38,820 | 都能夠撥亂反正呢 |
| 00:07:38,820 | 00:07:40,820 | 來您請快速回答 |
| 00:07:40,820 | 00:07:41,820 | 謝謝吳委員 |
| 00:07:41,820 | 00:07:46,820 | 我想您剛剛說明的這個情況 |
| 00:07:46,820 | 00:07:49,820 | 然後我想作為財政紀律法 |
| 00:07:49,820 | 00:07:51,820 | 在沒有行政院版本之下 |
| 00:07:51,820 | 00:07:54,820 | 然後在各位委員的支持之下 |
| 00:07:54,820 | 00:07:56,820 | 通過的財政紀律法 |
| 00:07:56,820 | 00:08:01,820 | 但是目前執行的情況是這樣子的情況 |
| 00:08:01,820 | 00:08:03,820 | 我想作為提案人 |
| 00:08:03,820 | 00:08:05,820 | 我想不作為監察委員 |
| 00:08:05,820 | 00:08:08,820 | 或者是提名人的立場 |
| 00:08:08,820 | 00:08:12,820 | 我個人只有無限的遺憾 |
| 00:08:12,820 | 00:08:14,820 | 基於憲政分立的情況 |
| 00:08:14,820 | 00:08:18,820 | 尤其監察員不及於立法委員的這個部分 |
| 00:08:18,820 | 00:08:22,820 | 我不能夠做出更詳細的評論 |
| 00:08:22,820 | 00:08:24,820 | 但是我覺得是 |
| 00:08:24,820 | 00:08:28,820 | 我想就現在的這樣子的一個情況 |
| 00:08:28,820 | 00:08:30,820 | 跟結果來講的話 |
| 00:08:30,820 | 00:08:32,819 | 我想就是說 |
| 00:08:32,819 | 00:08:37,819 | 審計部事實上也是在監察院裡面的獨立機關 |
| 00:08:37,819 | 00:08:40,819 | 我們會尊重他的獨立審計的情況 |
| 00:08:40,819 | 00:08:42,819 | 但是要強化支持 |
| 00:08:42,819 | 00:08:48,819 | 就是說我們會強力支持他們獨立審計相關的權利 |
| 00:08:48,819 | 00:08:50,819 | 對於執行的就是說結果 |
| 00:08:50,820 | 00:08:53,820 | 執行的就是說績效的這一個部分 |
| 00:08:53,820 | 00:08:57,820 | 我想站在未來如果有機會的話 |
| 00:08:57,820 | 00:08:58,820 | 擔任副院長 |
| 00:08:58,820 | 00:08:59,820 | 我一定會相助院長 |
| 00:08:59,820 | 00:09:01,820 | 在這一個部分的話 |
| 00:09:01,820 | 00:09:03,820 | 強力支持審計的這個部分 |
| 00:09:03,820 | 00:09:05,820 | 能夠發揮他的功能和效果 |
| 00:09:05,820 | 00:09:08,820 | 其實不只審計權來監督預算執行 |
| 00:09:08,820 | 00:09:11,820 | 監察院也可以就我們監督各級政府 |
| 00:09:11,820 | 00:09:13,820 | 如果在執行的這個部分 |
| 00:09:13,820 | 00:09:15,820 | 來針對預算不紀律的部分 |
| 00:09:15,820 | 00:09:17,820 | 財政不紀律可以動用 |
| 00:09:17,820 | 00:09:19,820 | 為所當為 |
| 00:09:19,820 | 00:09:22,820 | 我最後要問我回到倒數下一頁 |
| 00:09:22,820 | 00:09:23,820 | 下一頁 |
| 00:09:23,820 | 00:09:24,820 | 下一頁 |
| 00:09:24,820 | 00:09:26,820 | 監察權有彈劾權 |
| 00:09:26,820 | 00:09:28,820 | 糾舉權跟糾正權 |
| 00:09:28,820 | 00:09:33,820 | 雖然不能夠對於民意選出的立委來行使職權 |
| 00:09:33,820 | 00:09:36,820 | 但是對於立法院的文官 |
| 00:09:36,820 | 00:09:39,820 | 是可以行使相關的權利 |
| 00:09:39,820 | 00:09:42,820 | 這兩年多的立法院的違憲亂政 |
| 00:09:42,820 | 00:09:43,820 | 我很遺憾的講 |
| 00:09:43,820 | 00:09:45,820 | 我們在場的很多文官 |
| 00:09:45,820 | 00:09:48,820 | 無視與立法院相關的法規 |
| 00:09:48,820 | 00:09:50,820 | 其實呢大法官來下眼 |
| 00:09:50,820 | 00:09:53,820 | 大法官解釋14號也很清楚 |
| 00:09:53,820 | 00:10:00,820 | 監察權是可以對於各所屬機關的職員來行使權利 |
| 00:10:00,820 | 00:10:01,820 | 我只是要提醒 |
| 00:10:01,820 | 00:10:05,820 | 過去到現在對於立法院相關的案子調查 |
| 00:10:05,820 | 00:10:06,820 | 只有三案 |
| 00:10:06,820 | 00:10:09,820 | 對於這些文官沒有憾守 |
| 00:10:09,820 | 00:10:11,820 | 應當依法 |
| 00:10:11,820 | 00:10:14,820 | 卻配合著立法院的 |
| 00:10:44,820 | 00:10:47,820 | 應當沒有憲法中的應付 |
| 00:10:47,820 | 00:10:51,820 | 不作為政黨鬥爭的工具 |
| 00:10:51,820 | 00:10:55,820 | 所以說監察權對於各級機關 |
| 00:10:55,820 | 00:10:59,820 | 公司及任何立法院的職員也是一樣 |
| 00:10:59,820 | 00:11:02,820 | 有任何違法失職 |
| 00:11:02,820 | 00:11:05,820 | 我們都要為所當為 |
| 00:11:05,820 | 00:11:07,820 | 而不是面對立法院 |
| 00:11:07,820 | 00:11:10,820 | 就像立法院判其他部門的預算 |
| 00:11:10,820 | 00:11:13,820 | 對於自己的預算一毛不懈 |
| 00:11:13,820 | 00:11:17,820 | 那監察權對於立法院行使的各項權利 |
| 00:11:17,820 | 00:11:20,820 | 過去到現在只有三個調查案 |
| 00:11:20,820 | 00:11:28,820 | 其中兩案是針對具體有不當事件利益出動的臨時刪除議案 |
| 00:11:28,820 | 00:11:31,820 | 對違法的公務人員 |
| 00:11:31,820 | 00:11:35,820 | 我們也應當監察權能夠行使 |
| 00:11:35,820 | 00:11:37,820 | 好 謝謝 |
| 00:11:37,820 | 00:11:40,820 | 謝謝吳委員 |
| 00:11:40,820 | 00:11:46,820 | 謝謝 |