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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:20,000 | 黃委員 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:21,000 | 謝謝主席 |
| 00:00:21,000 | 00:00:26,000 | 龍中原 |
| 00:00:26,000 | 00:00:29,000 | 其實我個人對監察院的主張 |
| 00:00:29,000 | 00:00:33,000 | 一直是我們民進黨從創黨以來 |
| 00:00:33,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 所認為的就是要廢除監察院考試院 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:41,000 | 那我現在這個看法沒有變 |
| 00:00:41,000 | 00:00:46,000 | 但是既然我們體制上走到今天 |
| 00:00:46,000 | 00:00:49,000 | 監察院因為要修憲才能廢 |
| 00:00:49,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 這個工程浩大還沒能廢除之前 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 那我們一樣我們執政的民進黨 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 要負起這個責任 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 當然就要提名監察委員 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:04,000 | 監察院院長副院長 |
| 00:01:04,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 讓體制正常的能夠來運行 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:09,000 | 這是對的啦 |
| 00:01:09,000 | 00:01:11,000 | 所以在我的看法 |
| 00:01:11,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 如果我不得不要繼續維持監察院的話 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:22,000 | 我認為您確實是最適合的監察委員 |
| 00:01:22,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 甚至您現在要被推舉為副院長 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 所以我以下就以副院長來對您做稱呼 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 那個王副院長 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 這個我很肯定你過去長年以來 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 包括在立法院 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:43,000 | 以及現在在監察院 |
| 00:01:43,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 監察院兼任國家人權委員一樣 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:51,000 | 就是說你長年對身障者權益 |
| 00:01:51,000 | 00:01:56,000 | 對弱勢團體他們的權益的保障 |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 你確實是不遺餘力的在奔走 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:04,000 | 那也看到你做到的很多成績 |
| 00:02:04,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 那我今天要請教你兩個問題 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 就是關於身心障礙者 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 他們的人權保障 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 如何加強身心障礙者他們的人權 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:21,000 | 因為我們知道現在有許多 |
| 00:02:21,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 是在法律上已經訂定 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 對於身障者他們有保障 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 但是實際生活上面卻是沒有真正落實的 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 比方說 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:41,000 | 比方說身心障礙者他們的自立生活 |
| 00:02:41,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 這個部分我們在不管是長照的時數也好 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 其他各方面交通的服務也好 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 我就舉例 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 身心障礙者自立生活 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:03:01,000 | 他們最需要的就是就學、就業、就醫 |
| 00:03:01,000 | 00:03:03,000 | 這三個部分 |
| 00:03:03,000 | 00:03:07,000 | 我們並沒有增加在這一個部分 |
| 00:03:07,000 | 00:03:11,000 | 應該對他們的長照的時數 |
| 00:03:11,000 | 00:03:13,000 | 交通工具的時數 |
| 00:03:13,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 來增加對他們的這部分權益的保障 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:21,000 | 所以這個部分我希望 |
| 00:03:21,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 未來你在監察院副院長的這個位置上 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:31,000 | 能夠多多去推動去要求相關部會 |
| 00:03:31,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 我們在身心障礙者自立生活上面 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:37,000 | 給予他們這一些加強 |
| 00:03:37,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 就是就學、就業、就醫 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 讓身心障礙者 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 跟我們一般所有國民一樣 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 都能夠自立生活 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 第二點希望你能做到的 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:56,000 | 就是數位化時代 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 這個時候的身心障礙人權 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 那麼我們知道政府的服務 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:06,000 | 那快速的數位化 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 像線上申辦、數位、身分證 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 金融服務、醫療服務、人工智慧的應用 |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:17,000 | 這都越來越多 |
| 00:04:17,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 這是好事 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:23,000 | 但是當政府在快速數位化的時候 |
| 00:04:23,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 似乎都忘了身障者他們 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 也就是說政府在做這件事情的時候 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:33,000 | 是很快速喔 |
| 00:04:33,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 但是有很多障礙者 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 因為他身體的障礙 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 其實他沒有辦法去使用數位工具 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 所以我就是希望說 |
| 00:04:45,000 | 00:04:48,000 | 那當這個快速數位化的時候 |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 那麼因為他的障礙 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 而無法使用數位工具的人 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:57,000 | 那是不是有什麼方式 |
| 00:04:57,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 應該要求政府讓他們能夠取得公共服務 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 就是在這個數位化時代的時候 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 我們身心障礙者他們的人權 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 這個部分我希望你有辦法能夠把它加強 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 這個部分王副院長你看法呢 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 謝謝王委員的肯定、指教 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 我想我非常同意就是說在身心障礙者這一個部分 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 很多的就是需求我們在我們的國內現行的法規裡面 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 有規定就是說要保障 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 但是沒有辦法落實 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 那我也非常同意您的意見 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 這個部分的話 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 那很重要的一個基本的原則 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 怎麼樣子落實 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 除了我們現有的就是說各項法律的規定 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:57,000 | 無論在法裡面 |
| 00:05:57,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 然後或者是在我們的特教法裡面 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 我們的就業相關的法規裡面的這個部分能夠落實 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 更重要的一個部分是 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:11,000 | 身心障礙者權力公約 |
| 00:06:11,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 聯合國身心障礙者權力公約CRPD |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 聯合國爵士的就是說這一些的保障的內容等等 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:23,000 | 能夠在台灣能夠落地深耕 |
| 00:06:23,000 | 00:06:26,000 | 因為我們政府其實政府在這個部分 |
| 00:06:26,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 數位的部分是已經越做越好越做越快 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:35,000 | 到時候都是數位優先甚至數位唯一啦 |
| 00:06:35,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 當數位唯一的時候 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 那麼這個有身障者確實他沒有辦法使用到這些數位工具 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 所以王副院長我希望你這一部分 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 能夠積極具體的在你副院長任內 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 積極的去幫身心障礙者去爭取 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:55,000 | 去保護他們 |
| 00:06:55,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 那我只有一項跟你是截然不同的看法 |
| 00:06:59,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 因為你身兼國家人權委員後 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 那我看到你們過去的一些成績 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 其實過去的一些成績 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 你任內實現職業性別評點 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 在職場上的性別評點 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 促進兒少人權這些都很正面 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:17,000 | 這些都非常正面 |
| 00:07:17,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 但是每一年你們這些報告裡面都會扯到 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 就是關於廢死廢除死刑 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 這一點我跟你們看法截然不同 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 那我舉一兩句我認為 |
| 00:07:31,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 這實在是你認為我們全體的人民認為這有沒有道理 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 說要廢除死刑是要維護生命權與人性尊嚴 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 廢除死刑是要維護生命權與人性尊嚴 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:53,000 | 副院長我請教你 |
| 00:07:53,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 當被害人他的生命權被加害人剝奪了 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:05,000 | 他的人性尊嚴被加害人完全摧毀了 |
| 00:08:05,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 被毀了我們還在保護加害人什麼生命權 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 什麼他的生命尊嚴 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 不是嗎 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 當他剝奪了別人的生命權和生命尊嚴的時候 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:20,000 | 他就不夠格 |
| 00:08:20,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 有生命權跟他的人性尊嚴 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 就是這麼簡單 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 這個 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:33,000 | 抱歉 |
| 00:08:33,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 我再七個三秒鐘 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 我們要還被害人一個公道 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 這就是司法正義最重要的目標 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 別的還不講 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 為什麼古代殺人償命 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 這是天經地義的道理嗎 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 不是這樣嗎 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:03,000 | 什麼罪就什麼罰 |
| 00:09:03,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 罪與罰要怎樣 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:09,000 | 當這個罪與罰罪越來越加重 |
| 00:09:09,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 重道罪大惡極罪無可患 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 都已經殺人甚至毀屍強盜強奸 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 這些惡行導致加害人受害被害人受害致死的時候 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:29,000 | 這些都已經 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 我們現在國內有37個案例 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:36,000 | 已經判刑確定 |
| 00:09:36,000 | 00:09:38,000 | 都已經罪證確鑿 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:40,000 | 結果還拖在那裡 |
| 00:09:40,000 | 00:09:45,000 | 就是因為拜這些人權團體之事 |
| 00:09:45,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 這些廢死團體之事 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 我在質問法案部長的時候 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 我看到他臉上那種很驚恐 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 很無奈的表情 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:10:00,000 | 我就知道他背後一定有這些壓力 |
| 00:10:00,000 | 00:10:02,000 | 所以副院長 |
| 00:10:02,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 我希望在這一個部分 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:06,000 | 您能夠好好思考思考 |
| 00:10:06,000 | 00:10:09,000 | 現在百分之根據你自己的報告 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 你說百分之七十以上 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:13,000 | 我們台灣人民堅持 |
| 00:10:13,000 | 00:10:16,000 | 堅決主張廢除死刑 |
| 00:10:16,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 那更新的報告 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:19,000 | 法案部的報告 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 百分之九十一 |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 我們的台灣人民主張死刑 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:26,000 | 反對廢死這個部分 |
| 00:10:26,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 我希望你帶回去衡量一下 |