| IVOD_ID |
170892 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170892 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-11 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-11T10:17:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-11T10:27:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a2ba9baf79443361013daeca67e5bfee22f260bc4224891aa9dee56091fdf983c85f38e9dc6d1ac45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:17:17 - 10:27:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第2次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為監察院第六屆監察委員任期於115年7月31日屆滿。茲依據憲法增修條文第7條第2項、監察院組織法第3條之1及監察院國家人權委員會組織法第3條規定，提名陳永興、王榮璋、高天惠Eleng Tjaljimaraw、張菊芳、張烽益、林惠芳、孫一信、李麗芬、陳景峻、彭紹瑾、廖婉汝、葉宜津、林麗瑩、侯廷昌、李光章、林文程、賴鼎銘、邱駿彥、徐光蓉、邱泰源、賴振昌、莊勝榮、吳梓生、王志誠、Iban Nokan、謝政達、林佳範、許有為、趙卿惠29位為監察院第七屆監察委員，並以陳永興為院長兼任監察院國家人權委員會主任委員、王榮璋為副院長；王榮璋、高天惠Eleng Tjaljimaraw、張菊芳、張烽益、林惠芳、孫一信、李麗芬7位適用監察院組織法第3條之1第1項第7款資格，咨請同意案（本案經本院第11屆第5會期第15次會議決定，有關總統提名廖婉汝、謝政達為第七屆監察委員部分，毋庸處理，其餘交全院委員會審查）。） |
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來詢問 |
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17.2 |
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好 謝謝主席 |
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那我們先請今天裁判院院長 被提名人陳永新院長 |
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請陳被提名人 |
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好 院長好 |
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你好 |
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院長算是這個民主政治的前輩 |
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不過今天基於職權的關係 |
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我必須有一些問題要請教您 |
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請教一下 |
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去年其實在立法院 |
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他就已經大幅的刪除跟凍結監察院的預算 |
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49 |
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今年度也是一樣 |
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49 |
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51 |
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那今天對預算 |
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51 |
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54 |
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我看也是被刪除了 |
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54 |
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56 |
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大概是除了這個人事費用之外 |
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56 |
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59 |
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其他的業務費用全部都刪除掉了 |
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59 |
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61 |
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那我想請問一下陳院長 |
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61 |
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64 |
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如果有這個機會擔任這個監察院的院長 |
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64 |
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66 |
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那你發現說你上任之後 |
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66 |
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68 |
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你只剩下人事費 |
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68 |
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69 |
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其他所有的費用都沒有了 |
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69 |
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70 |
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都被刪除了 |
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70 |
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73 |
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那整個監察院要怎麼運作 |
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73 |
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75 |
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你不能要馬兒跑 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
75 |
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77 |
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又要馬兒不吃草 |
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77 |
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80 |
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我會爭取合理的預算 |
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80 |
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86 |
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我覺得在監察院沒有被修憲廢除以前 |
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86 |
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88 |
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不應該用把預算刪除 |
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88 |
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92 |
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或者是把監察委員的人選全部否決 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
92 |
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96 |
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讓他變成一個空窗空轉的機構 |
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96 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
97 |
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然後讓他癱瘓 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
97 |
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100 |
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這樣的做法不但不合理 |
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100 |
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101 |
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其實是違憲的 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
101 |
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104 |
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所以我如果做監察院長 |
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104 |
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106 |
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我一定跟立法院充分的溝通 |
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106 |
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108 |
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爭取合理的預算 |
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108 |
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111 |
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但是有可能在你這個有機會擔任院長的時候 |
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111 |
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113 |
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預算已經被刪除掉了 |
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113 |
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115 |
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所以我今天希望我這裡的發言 |
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115 |
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119 |
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讓這個禮拜你們最後協商的時候 |
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119 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
122 |
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主張要刪預算的立法委員 |
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122 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
124 |
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可以再慎重的思考一下 |
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124 |
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127 |
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那如果在您就任之前 |
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127 |
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129 |
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有機會就任之前預算被刪除了 |
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129 |
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132 |
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那你會採取什麼樣的一個法律的一個就介的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
132 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
134 |
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我很遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
134 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
138 |
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但是我會研究是不是可以再請監察院附議 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
138 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
141 |
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或者是行政院幫我們提這個附議 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
141 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
143 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
因為去年是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
143 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
146 |
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因為有監委是監察院是提出釋憲 |
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146 |
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149 |
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那所以釋憲是不是也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
149 |
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151 |
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如果有機會的話會採取了一個動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
151 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
154 |
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其實我覺得立法院如果是講道理的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
154 |
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157 |
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這個其實還不需要動到釋憲嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
157 |
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158 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
如果是講道理的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
158 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
160 |
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預算就不會被刪掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
160 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
162 |
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這個機構沒有廢除你不給他預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
162 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
164 |
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然後你又要求他做事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
164 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
165 |
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要就有功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
165 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
167 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
這個是矛盾嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
167 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
169 |
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我剛剛已經舉例了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
169 |
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172 |
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你治安不好你不能把警政署廢掉啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
172 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
175 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
你應該監察的人力設備配備嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
175 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
177 |
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一樣的道理我們醫院也是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
177 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
180 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
我發現一個醫院沒有好經營不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
180 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
184 |
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我就是派更好的醫生去給他充分的設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
184 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
188 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
讓他提升服務病人的這個績效嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
188 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
190 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
博憲院長你遇到的這個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
190 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
192 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
跟之前的又不太一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
192 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
194 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
第六屆至少還有監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
194 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
196 |
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所以他們預算被刪除了 |
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196 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
200 |
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那他們有一些事情還是可以低度的運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
200 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
202 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
那現在你可能面臨到的情況是 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
202 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
208 |
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有可能監察委員的提名人都被藍白都被反對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
208 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
214 |
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所以接下來有可能會呈現一個沒有監察委員的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
214 |
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218 |
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那這個我想對台灣社會的不幸啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
218 |
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224 |
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我覺得不要什麼事情都要讓這個政府癱瘓空傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
224 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
227 |
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大家應該為了整個人民著想 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
227 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
231 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
這個機構讓它發揮功能才是正途 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
231 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
233 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
那所以其實蠻矛盾的 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
233 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
236 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
我剛才也聽了幾位國民黨委員他們的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
236 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
240 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
他們提到說這個監察院要發揮這個調查權監察權 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
240 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
242 |
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要彈劾要糾舉糾正等等之類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
242 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
245 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
但是實際上他沒有想要讓你過 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
245 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
249 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
沒有想讓你過也希望說監察院要發揮這些的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
249 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
250 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
這其實是矛盾的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
250 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
252 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
那我再請一下陳院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
252 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
255 |
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那過去您跟這個民眾黨的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
255 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
260 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
跟這個柯文哲跟黃國昌兩位主席的關係算是不錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
260 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
262 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
那這次有特別去拜會他們嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
262 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
263 |
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沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
263 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
264 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
264 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
270 |
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我過去當然從台聯時代力量一直到民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
270 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
273 |
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我都是比較關心弱勢啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
273 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
276 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
所以我也覺得他們是台灣社會比較弱小的政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
276 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
279 |
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我都曾經給予很大的幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
279 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
284 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
但是我覺得監察院長是一個要得罪人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
284 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
287 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
監察院是得罪人的地方啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
287 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
292 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
所以我不會去拜託任何的一個委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
292 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
296 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
李登輝總統曾經提名我做監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
296 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
300 |
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那時候我才39歲是最年輕的監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
300 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
302 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
那時候的院長是陳宇安 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
302 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
306 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
那李登輝總統要陳宇安帶我們29個監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
306 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
308 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
去拜託當時的國民大會代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
308 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
310 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
只有我一個沒有去 |
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310 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
314 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
因為我覺得我不能欠這些國大人情 |
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314 |
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316 |
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我將來要彈劾人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
316 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
319 |
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他們說你當初請我投你一票 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
319 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
322 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
那這個案子是不是可以這個觀說一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
322 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
324 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
那我怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
324 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
328 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
所以我是不會去跟他們有任何接觸 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
328 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
332 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
好 那因為除了民進黨支持之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
332 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
334 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
可能還需要在野黨的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
334 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
337 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
那你有信心通過這次的人事通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
337 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
338 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
我知道很困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
338 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
第一次來總統希望我當任監察院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
344 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
我說大概不會通過吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
344 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
346 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
我說讓我思考一個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
346 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
348 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
後來我祈禱 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
348 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
352 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
我覺得監察院是一個行公義的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
352 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
354 |
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是要追求社會公平正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
354 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
358 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
那這個是聖經所教誨 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
360 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
也是我畢生努力的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
360 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
362 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
後來我跟賴總統說 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
362 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
364 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
好啦我答應 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
364 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
367 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
即使不過也是上帝的旨意 |
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367 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
370 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
那我願意承擔這個單子 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
370 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
372 |
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但是呢 |
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372 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
375 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
事實上我覺得目前朝野對立的這種氣氛 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
375 |
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378 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
真的我們要把監察院好好改革 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
378 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
380 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
是有相當的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
380 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
可是要廢掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
現實是做不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
386 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
最少好幾年的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
386 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
要去討論這個新鮮的真正的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
390 |
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394 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
所以我覺得應該是朝野的立委 |
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394 |
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396 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
特別是在野的立委 |
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396 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
400 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
其實應該用朝野黨派的思考 |
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400 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
403 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
來看這個人事案 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
403 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
407 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
我覺得不是所有提名的都不適任 |
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407 |
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409 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
如果說要全部封殺 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
409 |
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411 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
根本就不需要審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
就直接退回了 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
既然要審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
就應該好好看每一個被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
420 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
他的操守 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
420 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
422 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
他的性格 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
422 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
或者他過去的表現 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
他的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
428 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
在社會上是不是一個受敬重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
428 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
一個好的監委的人選 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
那我覺得這樣才能夠幫助台灣社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
讓監察院發揮功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
陳院長講的是一個理想的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
如果立法院是講道理的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
審查也不應該全部都封殺 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
那目前看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
有可能還是會被在野黨封殺 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
我也是問心無愧 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
我覺得平常心 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
被通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
460 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
我一定讓監察院變成一個民眾可以信賴 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
460 |
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463 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
然後行使公義的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
但是不通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
其實是讓我比較自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
我這個年紀 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
471 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
我也可以比較輕鬆的過日子 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
471 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
那再請教一下陳院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
因為剛剛有委員提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
我們談判總代表楊貞寧 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
他是在7月29號 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
被第六屆的監察委員通過彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
那通過彈劾接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
是要送這個懲戒法院來做審理 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
那接下來有可能會上台 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
接下來有可能會產生一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
就是當懲戒法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
不是在監察院這個體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
但是如果懲戒法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
他審理的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
一審判決出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
監察院覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
對於一審判決的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
絕對不符 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
512 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
這個必須要當初調查的監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
512 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
514 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
或是新任的監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
514 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
在20天內決定是否上訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
如果到時候沒有監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
那怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
其實不是全民之福 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
所以我們還是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
9月29號大家投票的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
可以真的憑著專業的判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
然後全民的福祉 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
去考慮這個人事權的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
我剛才特別是舉這個楊貞寧這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
因為大家重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
變成一個無解 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
就是沒有辦法處理的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
沒有監察委員可以決定說 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
是否要提上訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
接下來人民陳情案 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
怎麼做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
如果沒有監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
就沒辦法處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
可以收件但是沒辦法處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
沒有人能夠調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
沒有人能夠指揮辦案 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
除了收件之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
案子就躺在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
570 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
也沒辦法做任何的審理 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
570 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
所以我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
574 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
人民的 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
574 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
深淵無處可深 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
這個是社會的損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
對阿 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
所以我們所講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
監察院一般賦予的期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
彈劾、糾舉、糾正 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
完全都停擺了 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
因為沒有監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
592 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
就停擺了 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
592 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
現在年底要選縣市長選舉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
那現在我看很多候選人 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
都已經申請了政治獻金了 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
600 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
那政治獻金現在要申請是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
600 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
但是如果政治獻金 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
未來相關有發現一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
相關的裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
還是要有監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
陽光法案就也停擺了 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
我是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
不應該讓監察院停擺 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
所以我講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
就是說大家期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
監察院要有作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
但是監察委員他不讓你通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
那我們所講的陽光司法也都停擺了 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
626 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
然後監察院要做的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
626 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
彈劾、糾正、糾舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
也完全沒辦法做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
那更不用說這個國下任前委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
我說監察院需要改 |