| IVOD_ID |
170887 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170887 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-11 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-11T09:23:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-11T09:34:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a2ba9baf794433619f108f6961648c4922f260bc4224891a038ed2e07a643c2ada94560aa36cc40e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳昭姿 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:23:53 - 09:34:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第2次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為監察院第六屆監察委員任期於115年7月31日屆滿。茲依據憲法增修條文第7條第2項、監察院組織法第3條之1及監察院國家人權委員會組織法第3條規定，提名陳永興、王榮璋、高天惠Eleng Tjaljimaraw、張菊芳、張烽益、林惠芳、孫一信、李麗芬、陳景峻、彭紹瑾、廖婉汝、葉宜津、林麗瑩、侯廷昌、李光章、林文程、賴鼎銘、邱駿彥、徐光蓉、邱泰源、賴振昌、莊勝榮、吳梓生、王志誠、Iban Nokan、謝政達、林佳範、許有為、趙卿惠29位為監察院第七屆監察委員，並以陳永興為院長兼任監察院國家人權委員會主任委員、王榮璋為副院長；王榮璋、高天惠Eleng Tjaljimaraw、張菊芳、張烽益、林惠芳、孫一信、李麗芬7位適用監察院組織法第3條之1第1項第7款資格，咨請同意案（本案經本院第11屆第5會期第15次會議決定，有關總統提名廖婉汝、謝政達為第七屆監察委員部分，毋庸處理，其餘交全院委員會審查）。） |
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陳被提名人 犯人質疑期間你可以先休息 |
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謝謝主席 |
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22 |
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有請監察院長被提名人陳永新先生 |
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22 |
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請陳被提名人繼續 |
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30 |
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31 |
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好被提名人好 |
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31 |
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33 |
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以下我稱呼您陳醫師好嗎 |
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33 |
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34 |
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謝謝 |
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34 |
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38 |
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陳醫師我們曾經長期站在同一個陣營 |
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38 |
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至少有30年的時間吧 |
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44 |
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應該是遠從李正元教授時期開始 |
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44 |
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那我相信我們有許多共同的民主信念跟普世價值 |
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也都是在那個時期一起建立的 |
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1993年您競選花蓮縣縣長 |
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55 |
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58 |
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我跟我先生還有許多醫藥界的朋友 |
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63 |
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我們搭火車到花蓮去幫您助選掃街 |
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63 |
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69 |
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那今天我自認為我還是站在這個原點 |
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最初的原點秉持這個初衷跟這個價值 |
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但是我又親眼見證了 |
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81 |
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曾經全力支持的從一盤散沙到成立政黨 |
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81 |
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85 |
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到政黨的輪替首次政黨輪替到完全執政 |
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85 |
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乃至於到今天的這個三度執政 |
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我覺得我所支持的當時的這樣的一個民進黨 |
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已經慢慢偏離了原點 |
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慢慢越走的越遠 |
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100 |
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陳醫師我們上一次的會面 |
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應該是2019年6月7號 |
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我們同坐在一個記者會上 |
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那時我們跟吳理培執政 |
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跟法醫高大成先生坐在一個記者會上 |
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119 |
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我們共同去支持挑戰當時要競選連任總統的賴清德先生 |
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當時我們是選擇一個人煙許少的路 |
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因為那時候我們是少數 |
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125 |
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131 |
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陳醫師我在7月23號看到您來拜會韓院長的照片 |
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131 |
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135 |
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您笑面面的態度非常的友善 |
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138 |
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當時我心中有非常大的感觸 |
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143 |
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陳啟和時陳醫師您願意跟韓院長握手 |
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那我想請問陳醫師您之前是否認識韓院長 |
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有跟他互動過嗎 |
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在此之前 |
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我當然 韓院長是大眾人物 |
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我當然知道他但是私下沒有互動過 |
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沒有是互動啦 |
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160 |
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165 |
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所以我們對他之前的認知 |
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169 |
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可能都是來自比較統溫層的媒體等等 |
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173 |
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我們兩個都曾經用力的批評過韓院長 |
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您批評的力道也不會比我親 |
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176 |
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179 |
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您用字譴辭大概也不會比我客氣 |
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179 |
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181 |
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事實上我們批評他的主因 |
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184 |
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我相信其中很重要的一個原因 |
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184 |
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是因為他是屬於相對親中的國民黨的政治人物 |
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跟我們兩個國家認同是有差別的 |
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陳醫師我可不可以知道 |
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那天您握韓院長的手的時候 |
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您的感覺是什麼 |
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200 |
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203 |
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那天我們是客人啦 |
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203 |
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206 |
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我們是來拜會立法院 |
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206 |
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213 |
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韓院長他對每一個來訪的監察委員人選 |
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213 |
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都是親切握手 |
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所以潘孟安秘書長請我們握手 |
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219 |
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221 |
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我也是很自然而已 |
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223 |
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沒有什麼特別的其他意思 |
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223 |
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229 |
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好陳醫師您與一群夥伴開辦這個民報 |
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229 |
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231 |
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那當時我是為台灣發聲 |
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231 |
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233 |
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當時我是非常的敬佩 |
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233 |
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235 |
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因為我聽到很多人說 |
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235 |
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238 |
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如果你要害死一個人就勸他去辦報紙辦雜誌 |
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238 |
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243 |
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因為這是注定一個不會賺錢可能是會虧錢的一個行業 |
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243 |
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245 |
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我也非常的清楚明白 |
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245 |
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247 |
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剛剛文偉稍微提到 |
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247 |
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250 |
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您不是所謂的華獨 |
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250 |
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252 |
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而是所謂的台獨 |
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252 |
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257 |
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因為您反對將台灣的命運交給比較虛幻的中華民國 |
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257 |
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261 |
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我這個說法因為我對這個說法太熟悉了 |
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261 |
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264 |
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但是陳醫師在民進黨完全 |
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264 |
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民進黨從執政到完全執政那八年到現在 |
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那所謂的台派獨派 |
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271 |
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277 |
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我覺得幾乎都某個程度變癢變聾變瞎了 |
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277 |
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279 |
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為什麼我要這樣說呢 |
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279 |
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283 |
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因為過去他們承諾我們的每一件事情都沒有做 |
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283 |
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287 |
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包括志憲、鄭明、國號、國歌、國旗 |
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287 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
289 |
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甚至改用西元紀念 |
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289 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
292 |
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大概是陳總統出現過一小段時間 |
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292 |
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294 |
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一件事都沒有做到 |
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294 |
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297 |
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連嘗試努力的企圖也看不到 |
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297 |
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299 |
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然而同時 |
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299 |
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306 |
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我卻看到一起長大的民進黨的同仁們 |
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306 |
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309 |
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就悄悄的慢慢的質變了 |
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309 |
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313 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
開始出現了我們當年一起批評國民黨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
313 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
316 |
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作為的那些事項行為都出現了 |
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316 |
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319 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
所以我想您才會在2019年拍了一部 |
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319 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
322 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
這部片子給台派的真心話 |
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322 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
324 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
裡面這樣說 |
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324 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
326 |
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今天你不是說民進黨這件事 |
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326 |
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328 |
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我們的事就是那件事 |
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328 |
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332 |
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也不是說做一個台灣人做中華民國的總統 |
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332 |
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334 |
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我們的事就是那件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
335 |
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336 |
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沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
336 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
340 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
您並不認為蔡英文總統所講的中華民國台灣 |
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340 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
343 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
就是等於台灣建國已經完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
343 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
345 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
我的理解正確嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
345 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
346 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
我的理解有正確嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
346 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
349 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
陳委員,我離開民進黨20年以上了 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
349 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
351 |
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所以你的感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
351 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
352 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
我們在談信念 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
352 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
355 |
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你的感受我也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
355 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
我今天被提名不是被民進黨提名 |
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360 |
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364 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
我也認為我是為台灣人民來改革監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
364 |
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368 |
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所以我沒有民進黨的任何的想法 |
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368 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
372 |
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陳醫師就是說現在的賴總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
372 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
374 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
他也是說中華民國台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
374 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
376 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
所以摸一下他的聽頭 |
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376 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
378 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
他也是把台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
378 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
382 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
您曾經所避諱的把台灣交給了西方的中華民國 |
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382 |
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385 |
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到請我接受的時候他講了一句話 |
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385 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
388 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
他說他希望監察院是台灣人民的監察院 |
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388 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
392 |
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所以他也告訴我可能不會被通過 |
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392 |
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395 |
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那你可能是為這個犧牲 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
395 |
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399 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
我覺得如果要為了台灣人民奉獻我願意 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
399 |
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402 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
陳醫師,我現在的職務是立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
402 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
404 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
那我負責監督行政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
404 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
407 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
審查行政機關的這個預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
407 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
409 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
那為納稅人的託付 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
409 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
跟我的這個權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
跟納稅人的權益把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
因為我們的立法院是有民意基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
那我自己有專業有熱誠 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
我覺得我自己也有任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
也有紀律 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
因為身在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
更因為我身在關鍵的政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
426 |
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427 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
而不是民進黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
427 |
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430 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
所以兩年前當我走進會場的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
430 |
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432 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
那個時候IPEC的執行長 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
跟這個外交部欣喜若狂 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
因為我的加入以後 |
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436 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
440 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
台灣才能有資格成為IPEC的會員國 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
440 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
那蕭副總統去年也才能夠到 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
他還親自寫信跟我致謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
而您此刻是被提名為 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
450 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
中華民國的監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
450 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
我相信您心中也是有抱負 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
有理想的 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
但我不需要問 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
我必須要確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
458 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
您將會是過去大家認為是 |
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458 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
屬於外來政權的中華民國監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
還是民進黨的監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
我不需要做特別闡述 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
因為我自己也有權力 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
我不需要做特別闡述 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
因為我們兩個對這兩個區別 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
是非常的清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
那請告訴我您的答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
也告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
如果你能夠證明他 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
我想我剛才已經講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
現在的監察院應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
台灣兩千三百萬人民的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
為台灣人民服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
所以他既不是外來政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
中華民國的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
也不是民進黨的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
監察院本來就應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
超越黨派的思維 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
所以我完全站在 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
503 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
不是黨派的立場思考這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
503 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
就是台灣社會需要一個監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
政府單位的機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
需要一個保障人權的機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
所以我才覺得監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
是應該要提升他的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
好好的做事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
好陳醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
我們聽到您說 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
意思說你要很公正 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
做兩千三百 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
現在只剩下三十萬人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
您的信念就是說公義 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
行公義 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
而且要照顧弱勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
要公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
但是我們過去看到的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
事實上我們某個程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
我們相當的證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
是只打蒼蠅不打老虎 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
所以我特別就是這樣子來請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
另外很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
我想以過來人身份提醒您 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
如果您選擇做 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
當然您剛剛說不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
因為如果您選擇做民進黨的監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
那你因為他現在不過半 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
所以您不會通過任命案 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
但是如果您選擇做為國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
國家的這個監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
作為中立客觀的監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
不分顏色 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
你要認真去糾舉包含執政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
民進黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
政府下的不法跟貪瀆 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
那你會被綠反青鳥攻擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
童文成攻擊說你是背叛 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
你是不顧著 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
婉絕不保 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
那請問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
在這樣子通過任命案 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
跟被罵背虎跟婉絕不保 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
你選擇什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
這是我的經歷 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
我的個性是就事論事 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
不分顏色 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
我做一個醫生 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
我看病人不會問說你是哪一個黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
我應該救他就救他 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
一樣我到監察院也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
要辦案不分顏色 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
所以確實有證據該彈劾就彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
好陳醫師我請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
我當時加入民眾黨的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
你有沒有加入其他人一起責罵過我 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
我這題不是為我自己問的 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
我沒有罵過你 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
好你沒有謝謝你 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
626 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
因為我覺得台灣現在變成二分法了 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
626 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
二分法的意思就是很簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
我剛剛已經覺得就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
就是我那個顏色跟是非是分開 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
這是多元的社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
這是個多元社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
所以任何一個政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
謝謝陳委員 |