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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:06,000 | 陳被提名人 犯人質疑期間你可以先休息 |
| 00:00:17,000 | 00:00:18,000 | 謝謝主席 |
| 00:00:18,000 | 00:00:22,000 | 有請監察院長被提名人陳永新先生 |
| 00:00:22,000 | 00:00:26,000 | 請陳被提名人繼續 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:31,000 | 好被提名人好 |
| 00:00:31,000 | 00:00:33,000 | 以下我稱呼您陳醫師好嗎 |
| 00:00:33,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 陳醫師我們曾經長期站在同一個陣營 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:41,000 | 至少有30年的時間吧 |
| 00:00:41,000 | 00:00:44,000 | 應該是遠從李正元教授時期開始 |
| 00:00:44,000 | 00:00:48,000 | 那我相信我們有許多共同的民主信念跟普世價值 |
| 00:00:48,000 | 00:00:51,000 | 也都是在那個時期一起建立的 |
| 00:00:51,000 | 00:00:55,000 | 1993年您競選花蓮縣縣長 |
| 00:00:55,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 我跟我先生還有許多醫藥界的朋友 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:03,000 | 我們搭火車到花蓮去幫您助選掃街 |
| 00:01:03,000 | 00:01:09,000 | 那今天我自認為我還是站在這個原點 |
| 00:01:09,000 | 00:01:13,000 | 最初的原點秉持這個初衷跟這個價值 |
| 00:01:13,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 但是我又親眼見證了 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:21,000 | 曾經全力支持的從一盤散沙到成立政黨 |
| 00:01:21,000 | 00:01:25,000 | 到政黨的輪替首次政黨輪替到完全執政 |
| 00:01:25,000 | 00:01:29,000 | 乃至於到今天的這個三度執政 |
| 00:01:29,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 我覺得我所支持的當時的這樣的一個民進黨 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 已經慢慢偏離了原點 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 慢慢越走的越遠 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 陳醫師我們上一次的會面 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:43,000 | 應該是2019年6月7號 |
| 00:01:43,000 | 00:01:45,000 | 我們同坐在一個記者會上 |
| 00:01:45,000 | 00:01:49,000 | 那時我們跟吳理培執政 |
| 00:01:49,000 | 00:01:53,000 | 跟法醫高大成先生坐在一個記者會上 |
| 00:01:53,000 | 00:01:59,000 | 我們共同去支持挑戰當時要競選連任總統的賴清德先生 |
| 00:01:59,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 當時我們是選擇一個人煙許少的路 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 因為那時候我們是少數 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 陳醫師我在7月23號看到您來拜會韓院長的照片 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:15,000 | 您笑面面的態度非常的友善 |
| 00:02:15,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 當時我心中有非常大的感觸 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:23,000 | 陳啟和時陳醫師您願意跟韓院長握手 |
| 00:02:23,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 那我想請問陳醫師您之前是否認識韓院長 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 有跟他互動過嗎 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:02:32,000 | 在此之前 |
| 00:02:32,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 我當然 韓院長是大眾人物 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 我當然知道他但是私下沒有互動過 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 沒有是互動啦 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:45,000 | 所以我們對他之前的認知 |
| 00:02:45,000 | 00:02:49,000 | 可能都是來自比較統溫層的媒體等等 |
| 00:02:49,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 我們兩個都曾經用力的批評過韓院長 |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 您批評的力道也不會比我親 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:59,000 | 您用字譴辭大概也不會比我客氣 |
| 00:02:59,000 | 00:03:01,000 | 事實上我們批評他的主因 |
| 00:03:01,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 我相信其中很重要的一個原因 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 是因為他是屬於相對親中的國民黨的政治人物 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 跟我們兩個國家認同是有差別的 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 陳醫師我可不可以知道 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 那天您握韓院長的手的時候 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 您的感覺是什麼 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:23,000 | 那天我們是客人啦 |
| 00:03:23,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 我們是來拜會立法院 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:33,000 | 韓院長他對每一個來訪的監察委員人選 |
| 00:03:33,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 都是親切握手 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:39,000 | 所以潘孟安秘書長請我們握手 |
| 00:03:39,000 | 00:03:41,000 | 我也是很自然而已 |
| 00:03:41,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 沒有什麼特別的其他意思 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 好陳醫師您與一群夥伴開辦這個民報 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:51,000 | 那當時我是為台灣發聲 |
| 00:03:51,000 | 00:03:53,000 | 當時我是非常的敬佩 |
| 00:03:53,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 因為我聽到很多人說 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:58,000 | 如果你要害死一個人就勸他去辦報紙辦雜誌 |
| 00:03:58,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 因為這是注定一個不會賺錢可能是會虧錢的一個行業 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 我也非常的清楚明白 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 剛剛文偉稍微提到 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 您不是所謂的華獨 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:12,000 | 而是所謂的台獨 |
| 00:04:12,000 | 00:04:17,000 | 因為您反對將台灣的命運交給比較虛幻的中華民國 |
| 00:04:17,000 | 00:04:21,000 | 我這個說法因為我對這個說法太熟悉了 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 但是陳醫師在民進黨完全 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:29,000 | 民進黨從執政到完全執政那八年到現在 |
| 00:04:29,000 | 00:04:31,000 | 那所謂的台派獨派 |
| 00:04:31,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 我覺得幾乎都某個程度變癢變聾變瞎了 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 為什麼我要這樣說呢 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 因為過去他們承諾我們的每一件事情都沒有做 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 包括志憲、鄭明、國號、國歌、國旗 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 甚至改用西元紀念 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 大概是陳總統出現過一小段時間 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 一件事都沒有做到 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:57,000 | 連嘗試努力的企圖也看不到 |
| 00:04:57,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 然而同時 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 我卻看到一起長大的民進黨的同仁們 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 就悄悄的慢慢的質變了 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:13,000 | 開始出現了我們當年一起批評國民黨的 |
| 00:05:13,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 作為的那些事項行為都出現了 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:19,000 | 所以我想您才會在2019年拍了一部 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 這部片子給台派的真心話 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 裡面這樣說 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:26,000 | 今天你不是說民進黨這件事 |
| 00:05:26,000 | 00:05:28,000 | 我們的事就是那件事 |
| 00:05:28,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 也不是說做一個台灣人做中華民國的總統 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 我們的事就是那件事 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 沒有 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 您並不認為蔡英文總統所講的中華民國台灣 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:43,000 | 就是等於台灣建國已經完成 |
| 00:05:43,000 | 00:05:45,000 | 我的理解正確嗎? |
| 00:05:45,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 我的理解有正確嗎? |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 陳委員,我離開民進黨20年以上了 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 所以你的感受 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 我們在談信念 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 你的感受我也是一樣 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:59,000 | 我今天被提名不是被民進黨提名 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 我也認為我是為台灣人民來改革監察院 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 所以我沒有民進黨的任何的想法 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 陳醫師就是說現在的賴總統 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 他也是說中華民國台灣 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 所以摸一下他的聽頭 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 他也是把台灣 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 您曾經所避諱的把台灣交給了西方的中華民國 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 到請我接受的時候他講了一句話 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:28,000 | 他說他希望監察院是台灣人民的監察院 |
| 00:06:28,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 所以他也告訴我可能不會被通過 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:35,000 | 那你可能是為這個犧牲 |
| 00:06:35,000 | 00:06:39,000 | 我覺得如果要為了台灣人民奉獻我願意 |
| 00:06:39,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 陳醫師,我現在的職務是立委 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 那我負責監督行政機關 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:47,000 | 審查行政機關的這個預算 |
| 00:06:47,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 那為納稅人的託付 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:51,000 | 跟我的這個權益 |
| 00:06:51,000 | 00:06:53,000 | 跟納稅人的權益把關 |
| 00:06:53,000 | 00:06:55,000 | 因為我們的立法院是有民意基礎 |
| 00:06:55,000 | 00:06:57,000 | 那我自己有專業有熱誠 |
| 00:06:57,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 我覺得我自己也有任務 |
| 00:06:59,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 也有紀律 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:03,000 | 因為身在這個 |
| 00:07:03,000 | 00:07:05,000 | 更因為我身在關鍵的政黨 |
| 00:07:05,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 民眾黨 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:07,000 | 而不是民進黨 |
| 00:07:07,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 所以兩年前當我走進會場的時候 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 那個時候IPEC的執行長 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 跟這個外交部欣喜若狂 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 因為我的加入以後 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:20,000 | 台灣才能有資格成為IPEC的會員國 |
| 00:07:20,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 那蕭副總統去年也才能夠到 |
| 00:07:22,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 他還親自寫信跟我致謝 |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 而您此刻是被提名為 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:30,000 | 中華民國的監察院院長 |
| 00:07:30,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 我相信您心中也是有抱負 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:33,000 | 有理想的 |
| 00:07:33,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 但我不需要問 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 我必須要確定 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 您將會是過去大家認為是 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 屬於外來政權的中華民國監察院院長 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:45,000 | 還是民進黨的監察院院長 |
| 00:07:45,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 我不需要做特別闡述 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:49,000 | 因為我自己也有權力 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 我不需要做特別闡述 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 因為我們兩個對這兩個區別 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 是非常的清楚的 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:57,000 | 那請告訴我您的答案 |
| 00:07:57,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 也告訴我 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 如果你能夠證明他 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 我想我剛才已經講了 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:05,000 | 現在的監察院應該是 |
| 00:08:05,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 台灣兩千三百萬人民的監察院 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 為台灣人民服務 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 所以他既不是外來政權 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 中華民國的監察院 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 也不是民進黨的監察院 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 監察院本來就應該 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 超越黨派的思維 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:20,000 | 所以我完全站在 |
| 00:08:20,000 | 00:08:23,000 | 不是黨派的立場思考這個問題 |
| 00:08:23,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 就是台灣社會需要一個監督 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 政府單位的機構 |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 需要一個保障人權的機構 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:33,000 | 所以我才覺得監察院 |
| 00:08:33,000 | 00:08:36,000 | 是應該要提升他的功能 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:37,000 | 好好的做事情 |
| 00:08:37,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 好陳醫師 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 是 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 我們聽到您說 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 意思說你要很公正 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 做兩千三百 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 現在只剩下三十萬人的 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 監察院院長 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 您的信念就是說公義 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 行公義 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 而且要照顧弱勢 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 要公平 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:57,000 | 但是我們過去看到的監察院 |
| 00:08:57,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 事實上我們某個程度 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 我們相當的證據 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 是只打蒼蠅不打老虎 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:05,000 | 所以我特別就是這樣子來請教你 |
| 00:09:05,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 另外很重要 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:09,000 | 我想以過來人身份提醒您 |
| 00:09:09,000 | 00:09:11,000 | 如果您選擇做 |
| 00:09:11,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 當然您剛剛說不是 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:16,000 | 因為如果您選擇做民進黨的監察院院長 |
| 00:09:16,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 那你因為他現在不過半 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 所以您不會通過任命案 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:22,000 | 但是如果您選擇做為國家 |
| 00:09:22,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 國家的這個監察院院長 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 作為中立客觀的監察院院長 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:29,000 | 不分顏色 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:32,000 | 你要認真去糾舉包含執政黨 |
| 00:09:32,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 民進黨 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:35,000 | 政府下的不法跟貪瀆 |
| 00:09:35,000 | 00:09:38,000 | 那你會被綠反青鳥攻擊 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:40,000 | 童文成攻擊說你是背叛 |
| 00:09:40,000 | 00:09:42,000 | 你是不顧著 |
| 00:09:42,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 婉絕不保 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:44,000 | 那請問你 |
| 00:09:44,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 在這樣子通過任命案 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 跟被罵背虎跟婉絕不保 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:50,000 | 你選擇什麼 |
| 00:09:50,000 | 00:09:53,000 | 這是我的經歷 |
| 00:09:53,000 | 00:09:56,000 | 我的個性是就事論事 |
| 00:09:56,000 | 00:09:58,000 | 不分顏色 |
| 00:09:58,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 我做一個醫生 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:02,000 | 我看病人不會問說你是哪一個黨 |
| 00:10:02,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 我應該救他就救他 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:06,000 | 一樣我到監察院也是一樣 |
| 00:10:06,000 | 00:10:08,000 | 要辦案不分顏色 |
| 00:10:08,000 | 00:10:12,000 | 所以確實有證據該彈劾就彈劾 |
| 00:10:12,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 好陳醫師我請教你 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:15,000 | 我當時加入民眾黨的時候 |
| 00:10:15,000 | 00:10:18,000 | 你有沒有加入其他人一起責罵過我 |
| 00:10:18,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 我這題不是為我自己問的 |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:22,000 | 我沒有罵過你 |
| 00:10:22,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 好你沒有謝謝你 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:26,000 | 因為我覺得台灣現在變成二分法了 |
| 00:10:26,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 二分法的意思就是很簡單 |
| 00:10:28,000 | 00:10:29,000 | 我剛剛已經覺得就是 |
| 00:10:29,000 | 00:10:31,000 | 就是我那個顏色跟是非是分開 |
| 00:10:31,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 這是多元的社會 |
| 00:10:32,000 | 00:10:33,000 | 這是個多元社會 |
| 00:10:33,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 所以任何一個政黨 |
| 00:10:39,000 | 00:10:41,000 | 好 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:45,000 | 謝謝陳委員 |