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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:03,340 | 來 我們有請鍾嘉斌委員做發言 |
| 00:00:10,540 | 00:00:11,540 | 主席 |
| 00:00:11,980 | 00:00:12,560 | 在場 |
| 00:00:13,060 | 00:00:14,340 | 的學者專家代表 |
| 00:00:14,600 | 00:00:17,160 | 我們的委員還有媒體的朋友 |
| 00:00:17,420 | 00:00:18,700 | 所有關心 |
| 00:00:18,960 | 00:00:19,460 | 修憲 |
| 00:00:19,720 | 00:00:22,540 | 議題原住民權益的各位 |
| 00:00:24,080 | 00:00:25,860 | 台灣的社會的每一個分子 |
| 00:00:26,380 | 00:00:28,420 | 我們來看一下我的標題很簡單 |
| 00:00:28,680 | 00:00:29,700 | 修憲分類 |
| 00:00:30,200 | 00:00:32,759 | 選舉是純粹為了服務威權統治 |
| 00:00:33,280 | 00:00:36,360 | 移除3D平地回歸到原住民的權利 |
| 00:00:36,620 | 00:00:37,640 | 首先我們看 |
| 00:00:38,140 | 00:00:39,680 | 憲法徵求條文第四條 |
| 00:00:39,940 | 00:00:43,019 | 他根本純粹就是一個政治考慮設置的選制 |
| 00:00:43,260 | 00:00:47,879 | 中華民國的徵求條文第四條他說第七屆開始立法委員113人 |
| 00:00:48,379 | 00:00:49,920 | 在之前有225人的 |
| 00:00:50,440 | 00:00:53,500 | 然後呢他在每屆任滿三個月內 |
| 00:00:54,019 | 00:00:58,620 | 自由地區選出平地原住民及3D原住民各3人 |
| 00:00:59,540 | 00:01:00,320 | 這是在 |
| 00:01:01,080 | 00:01:03,900 | 2005年修憲後調整名額後 |
| 00:01:04,160 | 00:01:05,940 | 從第七屆開始就是這個規定 |
| 00:01:06,440 | 00:01:10,039 | 為什麼他是政治考量他是純粹設置選制而且二元拆分 |
| 00:01:10,300 | 00:01:12,640 | 他只是要規範我們立法委員的產生方式 |
| 00:01:12,900 | 00:01:14,440 | 他根本就是個威權移去 |
| 00:01:14,700 | 00:01:17,759 | 他的定義的邏輯是定義選制不是定義族群 |
| 00:01:18,020 | 00:01:20,840 | 而且他不是原來憲法徵求條文的意旨 |
| 00:01:21,360 | 00:01:23,660 | 接下來我把結論說完了我來說他的嚴格 |
| 00:01:23,920 | 00:01:24,440 | 請看 |
| 00:01:24,940 | 00:01:26,220 | 為什麼說是威權移去 |
| 00:01:26,679 | 00:01:28,740 | 國民黨黨國時期分額自資 |
| 00:01:29,240 | 00:01:32,840 | 從動員開的時期自由地區增加中央民意代表 |
| 00:01:33,100 | 00:01:34,140 | 名額選舉辦法 |
| 00:01:34,380 | 00:01:35,900 | 俗稱的真額 |
| 00:01:36,420 | 00:01:37,940 | 這裡面年紀較長的就知道 |
| 00:01:38,200 | 00:01:39,980 | 第一屆真額真了好幾次 |
| 00:01:40,500 | 00:01:44,340 | 從1972年那時候開始有真額的代表的時候 |
| 00:01:44,600 | 00:01:46,140 | 那時候立法委員是怎麼規定 |
| 00:01:46,400 | 00:01:47,160 | 他說 |
| 00:01:47,420 | 00:01:49,720 | 三包選出者1人 |
| 00:01:50,480 | 00:01:52,800 | 職業團體選出者8人 |
| 00:01:53,220 | 00:01:56,220 | 僑居國外之國民選出者15人 |
| 00:01:56,740 | 00:01:59,039 | 所以我們那時候有所謂的僑選立委 |
| 00:01:59,300 | 00:02:00,399 | 有所謂的什麼 |
| 00:02:00,640 | 00:02:01,460 | 農民立委 |
| 00:02:01,460 | 00:02:02,220 | 漁民立委 |
| 00:02:02,220 | 00:02:02,960 | 工業立委 |
| 00:02:02,960 | 00:02:03,640 | 工人立委 |
| 00:02:03,640 | 00:02:04,240 | 商業立委 |
| 00:02:04,240 | 00:02:04,780 | 教育立委 |
| 00:02:05,039 | 00:02:06,560 | 還有三包 |
| 00:02:07,979 | 00:02:09,840 | 2 4 6 7個類別 |
| 00:02:10,079 | 00:02:11,800 | 選出了幾個選出了9個 |
| 00:02:11,800 | 00:02:13,359 | 為什麼因為農民多一點 |
| 00:02:13,720 | 00:02:14,640 | 工人多一點 |
| 00:02:15,000 | 00:02:17,160 | 那時候有一個前花蓮縣長叫謝生山 |
| 00:02:17,280 | 00:02:18,600 | 他號稱是工人立委 |
| 00:02:19,360 | 00:02:21,120 | 家母呢是教師 |
| 00:02:21,520 | 00:02:23,440 | 家父是國研事業的員工 |
| 00:02:23,720 | 00:02:25,600 | 我記得小時候那時候他們去投票 |
| 00:02:26,080 | 00:02:27,360 | 欸我們住在一起啊 |
| 00:02:27,840 | 00:02:30,240 | 我爸爸領的選票跟我媽媽領的選票不一樣啊 |
| 00:02:30,800 | 00:02:32,000 | 我父親是投給誰 |
| 00:02:32,280 | 00:02:34,440 | 他說他投給工人立委謝生山啊 |
| 00:02:34,760 | 00:02:36,000 | 那我媽媽投給誰 |
| 00:02:36,400 | 00:02:37,840 | 他投給教育團體的啊 |
| 00:02:38,320 | 00:02:39,120 | 那時候有誰 |
| 00:02:39,360 | 00:02:40,280 | 有賴宛中啊 |
| 00:02:41,200 | 00:02:41,960 | 有當過什麼 |
| 00:02:42,200 | 00:02:43,720 | 當過台北的國小校長啊 |
| 00:02:44,280 | 00:02:45,520 | 為什麼國民黨這樣設計 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:46,600 | 很簡單 |
| 00:02:46,920 | 00:02:49,360 | 國民黨共產黨系出同源往哪看 |
| 00:02:49,880 | 00:02:51,240 | 中國的人大政協 |
| 00:02:51,240 | 00:02:52,560 | 他區分成團體代表 |
| 00:02:52,720 | 00:02:54,480 | 有婦女工商青年僑胞 |
| 00:02:54,960 | 00:02:55,720 | 欸你看 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:57,200 | 國民黨一模一樣 |
| 00:02:57,920 | 00:02:59,920 | 國民黨的黨章他叫全民政黨 |
| 00:03:00,360 | 00:03:02,400 | 他中央跟地方的選舉是脫鉤的 |
| 00:03:02,720 | 00:03:04,480 | 地方是按照區域選制的 |
| 00:03:04,640 | 00:03:07,320 | 所以地方選舉是區域選舉基本上是票票等值 |
| 00:03:07,680 | 00:03:09,360 | 但是中央政權選舉呢 |
| 00:03:09,560 | 00:03:11,520 | 他拆分成那麼多代表 |
| 00:03:11,760 | 00:03:13,120 | 然後呢來選出為什麼 |
| 00:03:13,640 | 00:03:14,880 | 便於控制啊 |
| 00:03:15,240 | 00:03:17,280 | 農民團體農會給你兩席 |
| 00:03:17,800 | 00:03:19,080 | 工人團體你聽聽話 |
| 00:03:19,080 | 00:03:21,640 | 工會農工是國民黨的最怕 |
| 00:03:22,160 | 00:03:22,680 | 怎麼講 |
| 00:03:22,960 | 00:03:24,240 | 國民黨就是被農工 |
| 00:03:24,640 | 00:03:26,120 | 農工政權推倒的嘛 |
| 00:03:26,520 | 00:03:27,040 | 是不是 |
| 00:03:27,280 | 00:03:29,520 | 所以呢他就把農民跟工人搞多一點 |
| 00:03:29,880 | 00:03:31,080 | 原住民要不要攏絡 |
| 00:03:31,120 | 00:03:31,800 | 要啊 |
| 00:03:31,960 | 00:03:32,880 | 三包一席啊 |
| 00:03:33,240 | 00:03:34,400 | 花愛先生啊 |
| 00:03:35,240 | 00:03:35,600 | 所以 |
| 00:03:35,880 | 00:03:37,440 | 到了為了鞏固社會統治 |
| 00:03:37,440 | 00:03:38,400 | 大陸原住民 |
| 00:03:38,680 | 00:03:39,680 | 而且後來啊 |
| 00:03:39,960 | 00:03:42,920 | 還沿用了日治的三地平地二分法往下看 |
| 00:03:43,520 | 00:03:45,440 | 在1972年到1975年 |
| 00:03:45,520 | 00:03:46,840 | 就是三包一名 |
| 00:03:47,360 | 00:03:48,520 | 到了1980年 |
| 00:03:48,720 | 00:03:49,920 | 分成兩分法 |
| 00:03:50,320 | 00:03:52,120 | 三地平地各一名 |
| 00:03:52,600 | 00:03:53,800 | 到了1989年 |
| 00:03:53,880 | 00:03:55,840 | 三地平地各兩名 |
| 00:03:56,320 | 00:03:57,640 | 到了1992年 |
| 00:03:57,960 | 00:04:00,000 | 三地平地各三名 |
| 00:04:00,520 | 00:04:02,600 | 到了1994年要修憲了啊 |
| 00:04:03,320 | 00:04:04,040 | 所以呢 |
| 00:04:05,120 | 00:04:05,720 | 那時候 |
| 00:04:05,920 | 00:04:06,680 | 包括民進黨 |
| 00:04:06,680 | 00:04:09,120 | 包括我們在座的賴昆臣前國大代表 |
| 00:04:09,640 | 00:04:11,160 | 在第二屆的時候說不可以了 |
| 00:04:11,760 | 00:04:12,880 | 不能叫三地人 |
| 00:04:13,120 | 00:04:14,240 | 三包要叫什麼 |
| 00:04:14,480 | 00:04:15,960 | 叫原住民 |
| 00:04:16,680 | 00:04:18,519 | 可是那時候只調整成原住民 |
| 00:04:18,760 | 00:04:20,840 | 有沒有把三地跟平地拿掉呢 |
| 00:04:21,040 | 00:04:21,560 | 沒有 |
| 00:04:21,880 | 00:04:22,880 | 所以在1998年 |
| 00:04:22,880 | 00:04:24,400 | 剛剛有幾位學者提到了 |
| 00:04:24,560 | 00:04:25,560 | 1998年 |
| 00:04:25,920 | 00:04:28,640 | 立委的席次是225席 |
| 00:04:29,000 | 00:04:30,320 | 所以席次成長 |
| 00:04:30,640 | 00:04:32,280 | 三元平元各四名 |
| 00:04:33,920 | 00:04:34,880 | 到了第七屆 |
| 00:04:35,240 | 00:04:36,200 | 2005年之後 |
| 00:04:36,720 | 00:04:37,920 | 說回來減半 |
| 00:04:38,400 | 00:04:39,560 | 國會席次減半 |
| 00:04:39,560 | 00:04:41,680 | 我還在全新樓前面被政報警察 |
| 00:04:41,760 | 00:04:42,640 | 按了警棍呢 |
| 00:04:43,400 | 00:04:44,920 | 那時候跟林立榮先生一起呼籲 |
| 00:04:44,960 | 00:04:45,640 | 國會減半 |
| 00:04:46,200 | 00:04:47,200 | 113席 |
| 00:04:47,400 | 00:04:49,520 | 所以第七屆開始2008年 |
| 00:04:49,799 | 00:04:51,520 | 三元平元各三席 |
| 00:04:52,239 | 00:04:53,000 | 看到了沒有 |
| 00:04:53,640 | 00:04:55,680 | 根本不是基於民族的理由 |
| 00:04:55,799 | 00:04:56,640 | 是基於什麼 |
| 00:04:57,280 | 00:04:58,640 | 威權統治 |
| 00:04:58,799 | 00:05:00,560 | 分化各個社會團體 |
| 00:05:00,799 | 00:05:01,960 | 分而治之啊 |
| 00:05:02,080 | 00:05:02,599 | 往下看 |
| 00:05:03,520 | 00:05:04,120 | 所以呢 |
| 00:05:04,120 | 00:05:06,960 | 你看動灘時期的真額補選方法 |
| 00:05:07,200 | 00:05:08,240 | 從1980年 |
| 00:05:08,440 | 00:05:09,320 | 第三次真額 |
| 00:05:09,560 | 00:05:10,200 | 三地 |
| 00:05:10,320 | 00:05:11,240 | 平地各一名 |
| 00:05:11,880 | 00:05:13,240 | 徵銷者第四次的時候 |
| 00:05:13,240 | 00:05:14,840 | 1997年第二屆立法委員 |
| 00:05:15,080 | 00:05:16,599 | 三地平地各四名 |
| 00:05:17,000 | 00:05:19,000 | 到了第七次2008年的時候 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:20,200 | 第七次休憩2005年 |
| 00:05:20,200 | 00:05:21,320 | 第七次的立委選舉 |
| 00:05:21,560 | 00:05:23,000 | 三地平地各三名 |
| 00:05:23,359 | 00:05:24,119 | 沿用了什麼 |
| 00:05:24,119 | 00:05:26,000 | 日治時期的戶口分類 |
| 00:05:26,239 | 00:05:27,560 | 有高殺生煩 |
| 00:05:27,960 | 00:05:28,840 | 平補守反 |
| 00:05:29,400 | 00:05:30,919 | 國民黨嚴實的堅持二分 |
| 00:05:31,280 | 00:05:33,440 | 維護他既有的選區控制 |
| 00:05:33,960 | 00:05:36,200 | 根本跟民主的權益沒有任何關係 |
| 00:05:36,239 | 00:05:36,719 | 往下看 |
| 00:05:38,039 | 00:05:38,520 | 所以呢 |
| 00:05:38,919 | 00:05:41,159 | 立法我們看修憲者的原子是什麼 |
| 00:05:41,840 | 00:05:42,200 | 賴 |
| 00:05:43,159 | 00:05:43,799 | 國大代表 |
| 00:05:43,960 | 00:05:45,560 | 我也當過第三屆國大代表 |
| 00:05:45,760 | 00:05:47,320 | 我們那時候中華民國政策第十條 |
| 00:05:47,320 | 00:05:48,480 | 基本國策第十一項 |
| 00:05:48,840 | 00:05:50,280 | 國家肯定多元文化 |
| 00:05:50,480 | 00:05:53,400 | 並積極維護發展原住民族 |
| 00:05:53,520 | 00:05:54,760 | 語言及文化 |
| 00:05:55,280 | 00:05:56,680 | 有分三元跟平原嗎 |
| 00:05:57,760 | 00:05:59,040 | 要看憲法的本意 |
| 00:05:59,280 | 00:05:59,920 | 要看哪裡 |
| 00:06:00,280 | 00:06:02,880 | 要看我們的基本國策第十條第十一項 |
| 00:06:03,160 | 00:06:05,840 | 要保障原住民族的地位跟政治參與 |
| 00:06:07,080 | 00:06:08,520 | 分三元平原是誰搞的 |
| 00:06:09,080 | 00:06:10,120 | 國民黨搞的 |
| 00:06:10,880 | 00:06:11,880 | 所以請大家仔細看 |
| 00:06:12,480 | 00:06:13,719 | 我們歷次的修憲 |
| 00:06:13,760 | 00:06:15,240 | 從一九九四年第三次 |
| 00:06:15,680 | 00:06:17,400 | 三包正名為原住民 |
| 00:06:17,600 | 00:06:19,200 | 一九九七年第四次徵修 |
| 00:06:19,320 | 00:06:20,440 | 原住民擴大 |
| 00:06:20,600 | 00:06:22,000 | 要正名為原住民族 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:23,040 | 所以呢我們主張 |
| 00:06:23,400 | 00:06:26,120 | 我們的政修條文沒有分二元分三元平原 |
| 00:06:26,200 | 00:06:27,600 | 要整體保障原住民族 |
| 00:06:27,760 | 00:06:30,240 | 立委的選制那是沿襲就知政治考量 |
| 00:06:30,440 | 00:06:31,200 | 該怎麼處理 |
| 00:06:31,440 | 00:06:32,560 | 以後去修正貨廢止 |
| 00:06:32,600 | 00:06:33,600 | 最後的結論 |
| 00:06:34,040 | 00:06:35,480 | 我們憲法政修條文這裡面 |
| 00:06:35,719 | 00:06:36,680 | 我就不再贅述了 |
| 00:06:37,240 | 00:06:38,440 | 未來還有什麼法要修 |
| 00:06:38,560 | 00:06:39,520 | 原住民身份法 |
| 00:06:39,760 | 00:06:41,040 | 公職連員選舉罷免法 |
| 00:06:41,120 | 00:06:43,120 | 地方立法機關組織 |
| 00:06:43,240 | 00:06:44,880 | 組織準則原住民保留地 |
| 00:06:44,880 | 00:06:46,440 | 開發管理辦法等等等 |
| 00:06:47,080 | 00:06:50,160 | 把這些三地跟平地的二分法 |
| 00:06:50,200 | 00:06:51,400 | 全部的拿掉 |
| 00:06:51,720 | 00:06:53,840 | 回歸到憲法政修條文第十條 |
| 00:06:54,160 | 00:06:56,320 | 原住民族這才是偵辦 |
| 00:06:56,520 | 00:06:57,360 | 最後結論是 |
| 00:06:57,560 | 00:06:59,560 | 遵循中華民國憲法政修條文第十條的意旨 |
| 00:06:59,560 | 00:07:01,800 | 保障整體原住民族之地位與政治參與 |
| 00:07:01,800 | 00:07:02,680 | 透過修憲程序 |
| 00:07:02,760 | 00:07:04,840 | 廢除威權時期遺留的 |
| 00:07:05,000 | 00:07:06,840 | 三地原住民跟平地原住民二分頭 |
| 00:07:07,240 | 00:07:08,760 | 那立法院應該儘速通過 |
| 00:07:08,960 | 00:07:11,000 | 包括憲法政修條文第四條 |
| 00:07:11,080 | 00:07:13,960 | 條文修正案廢止三地原住民 |
| 00:07:13,960 | 00:07:15,960 | 平地原住民的威權二分 |
| 00:07:16,280 | 00:07:18,520 | 保障整體原住民族的權益 |
| 00:07:18,720 | 00:07:19,880 | 就是五立法委員版本 |
| 00:07:19,880 | 00:07:20,360 | 謝謝 |