| IVOD_ID |
170874 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170874 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-10T10:18:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-10T10:28:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/11f3ac9a4aee4d25142982bf99f0605b40bd953ec8f8f090df1af9cfe84b6b7ac85f38e9dc6d1ac45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:18:30 - 10:28:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、法務部首長、衛生福利部首長及審計部首長就「台灣糖業股份有限公司經營治理及風險控管之檢討—中聯油脂事件、台糖售地案等重大債權追償暨審計部114年度決算審核意見改善情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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0 |
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15 |
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好 謝謝主席 我想要請 呃 龔部長還有我們食藥署的江署長 |
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請龔部長 食藥署江署長 |
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18 |
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23 |
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謝謝 部長好 |
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23 |
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27 |
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我想要先問一下署長 江署長 |
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27 |
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33 |
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現在什麼油可以喝 報告委員 |
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36 |
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你盡力的檢查 我們現在到底食用油 |
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36 |
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43 |
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我們食用油從大豆油 從我們的酥炸油 到我們的進一步的橄欖油 |
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43 |
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48 |
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所以一系列的油裡面 我們目前看到大豆油經過60% |
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48 |
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53 |
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所以哪一個 哪一個 哪一個 現在所有油都可以喝是不是 |
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53 |
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55 |
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對 油都可以喝 最近我們 可是大家都不敢喝 |
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55 |
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60 |
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你說你檢查了 平常不會是特別去喝油 這件事情我們不是那個支持 |
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60 |
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65 |
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我是說 煮菜啦 當然不會喝油啦 就是說大家都不敢吃啊 是不是 |
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65 |
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73 |
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我想這個扁平皮 我們有一個英文叫做 盡量讓它能夠達到比較合理的標準 |
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73 |
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78 |
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所以我們訂油的時候是訂2PPB 全世界最油最嚴格的 |
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所以就是因為這麼嚴格的 所以我們希望我們廠商都能夠達到這樣的效果 |
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91 |
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目前我們驗起來幾乎所有的 連這次的中聯之後事件 我們也看起來都目前都在合格的範圍內 |
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92 |
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99 |
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那如果現在台湯 他們說下半年它停購出油 |
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那它自己來自主進口 黃豆來產生 就是這樣子的它的那個出油 |
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111 |
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那我想要問你的事 其他油廠可不可以按照這樣子 |
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111 |
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117 |
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那其他油廠到底有多少的油廠需要經過這樣子相關的檢驗 |
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我想所有油廠對於他們現在出品到市場上面 都要符合2PPB這件事情是人盡皆知 |
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他們也不至於 我們也會全力的去做持續的檢測跟檢驗 讓它達到標準 |
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141 |
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我想在這個階段裡面 這個食品安全衛生標準裡面 2PPB 大家都清楚 |
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141 |
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146 |
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大廠小廠都要嗎 每一個廠都要嗎 |
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150 |
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大廠都要 只要是油品都一定要符合這個標準 這是不變的 |
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150 |
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156 |
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那所以每個油廠現在都已經有能夠符合檢驗的這樣子的一個實驗室嗎 |
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156 |
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161 |
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我想實驗室能夠驗出它的結果是最重要的 |
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161 |
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167 |
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所以我們有需要所認證的實驗室或認可的實驗室都可以協助的 沒有問題的 |
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167 |
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169 |
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有沒有辦法協助地方政府 |
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169 |
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182 |
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一路以來我們都是有協助地方政府跟對於所有能夠檢驗的認證跟認可實驗室能夠把量能讓每一批的油都希望能夠逐批達到這樣子的檢驗的效果 |
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182 |
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185 |
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讓民眾能夠安全又能夠安心 是我們能夠做的 |
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185 |
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196 |
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好 部長我請教一下 那台堂他說了這一批原料是沒有進入 就是說最後最終產品了 |
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205 |
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那未來有沒有可能台堂要建立主動通報主管機關的這樣子的一個目標呢 |
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205 |
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211 |
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台堂現在他 您剛才提到他下半年是要自己進黃豆了 |
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211 |
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212 |
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對 |
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212 |
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217 |
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所以就沒有會去檢驗其他公司的這個產品的問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
218 |
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228 |
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對 可是我現在說未來他有沒有可能就是說主動通報主管機關被查 就食安這個部分 |
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228 |
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231 |
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因為他沒有去檢驗別人也沒有通報的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
231 |
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237 |
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因為他自己如果他自己檢驗出來合格就會用 不合格當然就會拋棄嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
237 |
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238 |
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對呀 |
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238 |
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242 |
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或是精煉嘛 讓他符合標準 |
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242 |
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254 |
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那他進口的 我是說他進口這個出豆裡面 他到底現在有問題的就是說是從巴西的 那未來是從哪裡進口呢 |
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254 |
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256 |
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還在思考 |
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256 |
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260 |
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他的原料黃豆是從哪裡進口呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
260 |
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261 |
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那個台堂公司 |
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261 |
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270 |
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是 跟委員報告 我們一直以來台堂公司所進的黃豆都是跟美國買的 都是美國北美的這個黃豆 |
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271 |
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276 |
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可是過去你們沒有把他用來做食用油的 |
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277 |
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有有有 |
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277 |
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278 |
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有嗎 |
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278 |
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281 |
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有 我們都是自己進黃豆壓榨成出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
281 |
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287 |
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再把這個出油精煉成末端消費大眾可以使用的大豆沙拉油 |
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287 |
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294 |
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那如果說我們產能不足的部分 我們才會對外去採購出油 |
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294 |
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298 |
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他出油他是一個中間的產品 |
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298 |
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302 |
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那如果說我們不夠的話 我們才會對外去採購 |
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302 |
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307 |
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那這次我們會對外招標 就是我們的出油量不夠 |
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307 |
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309 |
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那我們必須要對外來採購 |
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309 |
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314 |
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那採購發現這個他不符合我們的招標規範 |
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314 |
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316 |
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我們就拒收了 |
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316 |
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320 |
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等於說從頭到尾這個油跟台堂公司都沒有進來過 |
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320 |
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321 |
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我們是拒收 |
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325 |
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那至於說他這個出油到底有沒有食品安全的標準 |
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325 |
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這個是沒有標準 所以沒有所謂大眾所誤解的就是說超標 |
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330 |
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332 |
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或者說超標七倍 |
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332 |
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334 |
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他是沒有所謂超標的問題 |
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334 |
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337 |
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所以台南公司也無從去通報 |
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337 |
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339 |
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不是不是 我不是在說這個 |
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339 |
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343 |
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因為我們是未來就是說出口出去 |
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343 |
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348 |
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就是說販售出去到社會大眾的這個油品的部分 |
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352 |
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大家當然希望說能夠符合食安的這個標準 |
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352 |
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那現在是不是根據未來我們也要修訂食安法 |
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356 |
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361 |
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那食安法是不是會對於這個相關的規定裡面 |
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367 |
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你們要不要就是說提供主動的申報的這樣子的一個標準 |
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367 |
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371 |
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可能這個必須要有一些科學上面的一些判定跟依據 |
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371 |
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375 |
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來規範我們出油是不是要訂定標準 |
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375 |
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379 |
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我想這個也是目前所有社會大眾的期待 |
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379 |
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383 |
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那也是我們政府官員的部分一直在努力的地方 |
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383 |
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385 |
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好 那江署長要不要 |
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391 |
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我說出油如果練一次練不成練兩次 |
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393 |
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練兩次練不成練三次 |
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393 |
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396 |
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只要練到的是2pp以下 |
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396 |
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398 |
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這才是一個符合科學精神 |
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398 |
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399 |
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因為這些油是個 |
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399 |
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402 |
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可是練一次練兩次成本差很多 |
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402 |
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407 |
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但是呢保障民眾食的安全小1、2pp的油品 |
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407 |
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409 |
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這是國家政策以及法律的規定 |
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409 |
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412 |
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所以剛才提到的中間要訂多少了 |
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412 |
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414 |
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其實不是重點 |
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414 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
是我要出去的時候是要多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
如果中間是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
422 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
那請問訂出來的標準之後14.7pp要做什麼用 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
422 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
中間不會訂就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
我的意思我還可以討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
428 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
但是訂14.7pp訂出來然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
428 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
然後就認真練啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
練到精油可以小於2ppp才是方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
那問題是就是說大家在想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
訂這個標準的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
是不是大小廠都有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
這個件事情要去驗中間的原油廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
我們覺得他是HACP |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
去HACP裡面的一個重要的觀測點 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
決定你後續要怎麼練 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
因為一般練可以練降低88% |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
460 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
從脫酸脫色脫臭可以到88% |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
460 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
464 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
如果加上我們的活性碳可以更高 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
464 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
所以這個是一個點讓你知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
know how接下來要怎麼做下去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
如果你訂了一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
是一個國家要去裁罰的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
這批油決定要把丟掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
或者是不能夠成為人類使用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
那個是反科學的 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
如果我們要清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
他是有方法可以下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
可以練下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
所以我們一定要讓各個廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
標準作業流程的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
能夠達到這樣的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
以及多樣的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
就是盡可能的把它降到合理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
低2ppv以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
這是我們所要努力的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
因為我們現在提到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
因為台糖過去在食品的管控上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
一向是受到大家的重視以及尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
當然我們希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
台糖的食品安全的監測計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
是不是能夠提到最高的等級 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
因為這樣子也符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
就是說國營事業的相關的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
能夠受到民眾的信賴 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
那這個部分有沒有辦法呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
就油品的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
本署一定會積極的輔導協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
台糖在油片店發展的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
因為他是國營企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
那是不是能夠讓他的食品安全監控的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
能夠提到最高的等級呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
是 那台糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
我剛剛也報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
台糖公司是用最嚴格的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
在訂定我們的標準收入流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
那所以我們對於原料的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
我們自己的採購的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
也訂得非常的嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
那我想這個部分是沒有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
所以沒有問題是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
那希望說未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
我們能夠提高我們台糖的食用油的 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
570 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
還有就是說的各項的食品安全的監測計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
570 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
到最高等級讓民眾都可以安心好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
好 謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
好 謝謝委員 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-08-10T10:18:30.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-08-10T10:18:44.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
謝謝主席，我想要請龔部長，還有食藥署的姜署長。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-08-10T10:18:45+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-08-10T10:18:47.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
請龔部長、食藥署姜署長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-08-10T10:18:47.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-08-10T10:18:50+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
謝委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-08-10T10:18:50+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-08-10T10:18:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-08-10T10:18:53+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-08-10T10:18:55.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
我想要先問一下署長。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-08-10T10:18:55.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-08-10T10:18:56.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-08-10T10:18:56.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-08-10T10:19:00.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
姜署長，現在什麼油可以喝？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-08-10T10:19:03+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-08-10T10:19:05.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
你盡力的檢查，現在到底食用油…… |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-08-10T10:19:06.518519+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-08-10T10:19:17.285714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
食用油從大豆油、酥炸油到橄欖油，一系列的油裡面，我們目前看到大豆油占比60％，我們都已經確定…… |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.775 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-08-10T10:19:18.434783+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-08-10T10:19:18.869565+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
哪一個？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-08-10T10:19:18.869565+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-08-10T10:19:20.391304+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
各種油其實是…… |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-08-10T10:19:20.391304+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-08-10T10:19:22.782609+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
現在所有油都可以喝，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-08-10T10:19:23+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-08-10T10:19:24+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
對，油都是，最近我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-08-10T10:19:24.111111+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-08-10T10:19:24.888889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
可是大家都不敢喝欸！ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-08-10T10:19:25+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-08-10T10:19:25.892857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
你說你檢查了…… |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-08-10T10:19:26.071429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-08-10T10:19:29.821429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
平常不會特別去喝油啊，這件事情我不是那麼支持。 |
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0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-08-10T10:19:30+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-08-10T10:19:34.230769+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
我是說煮菜啦，當然不會喝油啦，就是大家都不敢吃啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-08-10T10:19:35+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-08-10T10:19:52.838710+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
我想苯駢芘，我們有一個英文叫做……儘量讓它能夠達到比較合理的標準，所以我們訂油的標準時是訂2 ppb，也是全世界最嚴格的，會這麼嚴格，就是希望我們的廠商都能夠達到這樣的效果。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.805 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-08-10T10:19:53+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-08-10T10:20:02+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
目前我們驗起來，幾乎所有的……連這次中聯之後的事件，看起來目前都在合格的範圍內，那是我們持續努力的方向。 |
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0.761 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-08-10T10:20:02.388889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-08-10T10:20:20.761905+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
如果現在台糖說下半年停購粗油，他自己自主進口黃豆產生粗油，那我想要問你的是，其他油廠可不可以按照這樣子？ |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-08-10T10:20:22.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-08-10T10:20:26.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
到底有多少油廠需要經過這樣子相關的檢驗？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-08-10T10:20:28+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-08-10T10:20:42.793103+08:00 |
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我想所有油廠現在出品到市場上都要符合2 ppb這件事情是人盡皆知，他們也不至於……我們也會全力持續檢測跟檢驗，讓它達到標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-08-10T10:20:43+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-08-10T10:20:50.724138+08:00 |
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我想在這個階段裡面，食品安全衛生標準裡面的2 ppb是大家都清楚的，也是我們要去努力的。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-08-10T10:20:51+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-08-10T10:20:53.142857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
大廠小廠都要嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-08-10T10:20:53.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-08-10T10:20:55.642857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
每一個廠都要嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-08-10T10:20:56.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-08-10T10:20:59.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
都是一樣，通通都要，只要是油品都一律要符合這個標準，這是不變的。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-08-10T10:21:00.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-08-10T10:21:05.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
所以每個油廠現在都已經有能夠符合檢驗這樣子的實驗室嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-08-10T10:21:06+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-08-10T10:21:16.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
我想實驗室能夠驗出結果是最重要的，所以我們有食藥署認證的實驗室或認可的實驗室都是可以協助的，沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-08-10T10:21:17+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-08-10T10:21:18.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
有沒有辦法協助地方政府？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-08-10T10:21:19+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-08-10T10:21:34.842105+08:00 |
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一路以來我們都有協助地方政府，對於所有能夠檢驗認證跟認可的實驗室，能夠把量能……每一批油都希望能夠逐批達到這樣子的檢驗效果，讓民眾能夠安全又能夠安心，是我們能夠做的。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.987 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-08-10T10:21:35.323529+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-08-10T10:21:54.709677+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
部長，我請教一下，台糖說這一批原料沒有進入最終產品，那未來有沒有可能台糖要建立主動通報主管機關的目標呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-08-10T10:21:55.545455+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-08-10T10:22:06.772727+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
台糖現在……您剛剛提到他下半年要自己進黃豆了，所以就沒有去檢驗其他公司的產品問題了。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-08-10T10:22:08+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-08-10T10:22:15.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
對，可是我現在是說，就食安這個部分未來他有沒有可能主動通報主管機關備查？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-08-10T10:22:18+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-08-10T10:22:31.636364+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
因為他沒有去檢驗別人，也沒有通報的問題，因為如果他自己檢驗出來合格就會用，不合格當然就會拋棄，或是精煉讓它符合標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-08-10T10:22:32.272727+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-08-10T10:22:43.727273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
他進口的粗豆裡面，現在有問題的是從巴西來的，未來是從哪裡進口呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-08-10T10:22:44+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-08-10T10:22:45.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
還在思考。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-08-10T10:22:46+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-08-10T10:22:49.384615+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
他的原料黃豆是從哪裡進口？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-08-10T10:22:51.230769+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-08-10T10:22:59.769231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
跟委員報告，一直以來台糖公司所進的黃豆都是跟美國買的，都是美國北美的黃豆。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-08-10T10:23:01+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-08-10T10:23:07.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
可是過去你們沒有把它用來做食用油？有。有嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-08-10T10:23:08+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-08-10T10:23:23.708333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
有，我們都是自己進黃豆壓榨成粗油，再把這個粗油精煉成末端消費大眾可以使用的大豆沙拉油，我們產能不足的部分才會對外採購粗油。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-08-10T10:23:24.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-08-10T10:23:31.789474+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
粗油是中間的產品，如果不夠的話，我們才會對外去採購。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-08-10T10:23:32.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-08-10T10:23:50.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
這次我們會對外招標，就是我們的粗油量不夠，我們必須要對外採購，採購發現它不符合我們的招標規範，我們就拒收，等於從頭到尾這個油都沒有進來台糖公司過，我們是拒收。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-08-10T10:23:51.190476+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-08-10T10:24:06.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
至於這個粗油到底有沒有食品安全的標準，這個是沒有標準，所以沒有所謂大眾所誤解的超標或者超標7倍，它沒有所謂超標的問題，所以台糖公司也無從去通報。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-08-10T10:24:07+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-08-10T10:24:21.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
不是、不是，我不是在說這個，未來你們販售給社會大眾的油品部分，大家當然希望能夠符合食安的標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-08-10T10:24:23.684211+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-08-10T10:24:36.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
未來我們也要修訂食安法，食安法對於相關的規定，你們要不要提供主動申報這樣子的標準？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-08-10T10:24:37+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-08-10T10:24:53+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
可能這個必須要有一些科學上面的判定跟依據，來規範我們的粗油是不是要訂定標準，我想這個也是目前所有社會大眾的期待，也是我們政府官員一直在努力的地方。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-08-10T10:24:53.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-08-10T10:24:54.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
那姜署長要不要？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-08-10T10:24:56.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-08-10T10:25:11.769231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
粗油如果煉一次煉不成，煉兩次，煉兩次煉不成，煉三次，要煉到2 ppb以下才符合科學基準，可是煉一次煉兩次的成本差很多啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.712 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-08-10T10:25:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-08-10T10:25:25.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
但是保障民眾食的安全，小於2 ppb的油品，這是國家政策以及法律的規定，所以剛才提到的，中間要訂多少其實不是重點，是我要出去的時候是要多少。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-08-10T10:25:26+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-08-10T10:25:27.142857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
如果中間是…… |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-08-10T10:25:27.142857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-08-10T10:25:28.142857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
所以你現在中間不會訂定是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-08-10T10:25:28+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-08-10T10:25:31.789474+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
那請問訂出標準之後，14.7 ppb要做什麼用？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-08-10T10:25:32+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-08-10T10:25:33.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
所以目前中間不會訂就對了？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-08-10T10:25:34+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-08-10T10:25:37.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
沒有，我的意思是說還可以討論，但是14.7 ppb訂出來，然後呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-08-10T10:25:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-08-10T10:25:39.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
然後就認真煉啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-08-10T10:25:40.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-08-10T10:25:42.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
煉到精油可以小於2 ppb才是方向。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-08-10T10:25:42.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-08-10T10:25:43.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
我知道啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-08-10T10:25:43.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-08-10T10:25:45.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
問題是大家在想說…… |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-08-10T10:25:46+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-08-10T10:25:46.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
所以訂這個標準的目的其實跟…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-08-10T10:25:47+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-08-10T10:25:48.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
是不是大小廠都有辦法？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-08-10T10:25:49+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-08-10T10:26:19.647059+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
這件事情要去驗中間的原油廠驗出來，我們覺得它是HACCP裡面的一個重要觀測點，決定你後續要怎麼煉，因為一般煉可以降低88％，從脫酸、脫色、脫臭可以到88％，如果加上了我們的活性碳可以更高，所以這個是一個點，讓你知道know-how，接下來要怎麼做下去。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-08-10T10:26:20+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-08-10T10:26:29.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
如果你訂了一個標準，是一個國家要去裁罰的標準，這一批油決定要把它丟掉或者是不能夠成為人類食用的，那個是反科學的。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-08-10T10:26:30.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-08-10T10:26:51.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
我們要清楚它是有方法可以煉下來的，所以我們一定要讓各個廠在訂出它的標準作業流程的時候，能夠達到這樣的目的以及達到這樣的結果，就是盡可能把它降到合理的低於2ppb以下，這是我們要努力的方向。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.841 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-08-10T10:26:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-08-10T10:27:13.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
因為台糖過去在食品的管控上面，一向是受到大家重視以及尊重，當然我們希望台糖的食品安全監測計畫是不是能夠提到最高的等級，這樣子也符合國營事業相關食品能夠受到民眾信賴。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-08-10T10:27:14.272727+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-08-10T10:27:16.727273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
這個部分有沒有辦法呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-08-10T10:27:17+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-08-10T10:27:22.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
就油品的部分，本署一定會積極輔導，協助台糖的油提煉能達到這個效果。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-08-10T10:27:23+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-08-10T10:27:31.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
對，我們是希望說，因為它是國營企業，是不是能夠讓它的食品安全監測計畫能夠提到最高等級？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.744 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
蔡副總經理東霖 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-08-10T10:27:34+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-08-10T10:27:47.846154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
我剛剛也報告，台糖公司是用最嚴格的方式訂定我們的標準作業流程，所以我們對於原料的要求，我們自己的採購標準也訂得非常嚴格，我想這個部分是沒有問題的。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-08-10T10:27:48+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-08-10T10:27:49.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
所以沒有問題是不是？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-08-10T10:27:50.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-08-10T10:28:02.812500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
好，希望未來我們能夠提高台糖的食用油，還有各項食品安全的監測計畫到最高等級，讓民眾都可以安心，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-08-10T10:28:03+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-08-10T10:28:04.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
好，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-08-10T10:28:05.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-08-10T10:28:05.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
謝謝謝衣鳯委員，謝謝部長、署長。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.308 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-08-10T10:28:06.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-08-10T10:28:09.728571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
接下來有請陳昭姿委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |