| IVOD_ID |
170872 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170872 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-10T09:52:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-10T10:07:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/11f3ac9a4aee4d25deeb23567ccd557240bd953ec8f8f090df1af9cfe84b6b7a8d2e5e7e7ae529c45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:52:47 - 10:07:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、法務部首長、衛生福利部首長及審計部首長就「台灣糖業股份有限公司經營治理及風險控管之檢討—中聯油脂事件、台糖售地案等重大債權追償暨審計部114年度決算審核意見改善情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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我們請宗嘉賓委員諮詢 謝謝 |
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11.52 |
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16.44 |
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主席 在黨委員先進 列席的政府經濟部長官員 會長 公眾夥伴 媒體記者 林先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].start |
16.44 |
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27.4 |
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有請經濟部 拱部長 法務部 法律司 謝市長 衛武部 江署長 以及審計部的林副審計長 |
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27.4 |
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28.6 |
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祝我早安 |
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28.6 |
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29.6 |
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請審計部 |
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30.1 |
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37.6 |
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也給主席建議 我們時間尊重主席的控制 但是如果一直跳針 我看我想主席應該適時的來我們調整一下 |
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37.6 |
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41.6 |
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好 來 叫 裝睡的人叫不行啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
42.1 |
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47.6 |
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剛剛有人問部長 蔡市長買菜 我問一下部長 你有沒有收過未超 |
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50.3 |
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51.6 |
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沒有 好像沒有 |
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51.6 |
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55.6 |
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來 副審計長 可能比較有這個經驗 有沒有收過未超 |
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55.6 |
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57.6 |
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我本人是沒有 沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
57.6 |
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61.6 |
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如果在蔡市長 你覺得有蔡飯收到未超 要不要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
61.6 |
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66.6 |
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如果是蔡飯 我想他小品記 他拿到一張未超 他一定會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
66.6 |
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74.6 |
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對嘛 還是說如果這個蔡飯說 我收到未超了 下一個顧客不曉得 我把他找回去 你覺得這樣可以嗎 |
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74.6 |
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75.6 |
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我覺得這樣應該不道德 應該不道德 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
75.6 |
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82.6 |
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不對 不只不道德還違法 未超是通用的法幣 對不對 未超不是通用的法幣 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
82.6 |
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88.6 |
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所以呢 他如果冒用通用的法幣 知道的人有責任通報 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
88.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
93.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
而且也不能把未照法幣的未超繼續流通 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
93.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
98.6 |
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好 來 我們向那個謝市長 來 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
98.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
102.6 |
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那未超有法律規定 那黃金有沒有法律規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
102.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
109.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
黃金的橙色 9999還是9989 法律有沒有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
109.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
116.6 |
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我去銀樓 假設有人 銀樓說有人拿未超來 通報嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
116.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
122.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
有人拿黃金來說 我這個要跟你賣給你啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
122.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
128.6 |
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那銀樓說你這個橙色不足啦 我只收橙色組的 9999的 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
128.6 |
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133.6 |
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銀樓不收 也沒有去通報 你覺得銀樓有沒有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
133.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
136.6 |
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一般按照我們的工作經驗這邊是沒有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
136.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
141.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
對嘛 所以出油就是什麼 就是金塊嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
141.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
146.6 |
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台糖訂了一批出油 橙色不足 要賣給台糖 台糖不收嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
146.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
151.6 |
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說你可以等他啦 我要的是純9999的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
151.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
154.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
有沒有違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
154.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
158.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
就沒有通報這件事情是 以銀樓的例子來講是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
158.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
164.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
部長知道沒有 白白菜市場買菜 你用未超跟金塊人家就聽懂了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
164.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
169.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
未超是貿用法定貨幣 食品有食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
169.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
172.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
我買了這家的合格食品 我再賣給別人 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
172.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
175.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
因為我確認他是合格的 我轉賣可以嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
175.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
180.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
如果拿到一個不合格的食品 我還轉賣 我就不對嘛 是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
180.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
185.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
我去進黃金 我去進原料 原料的橙色不合我的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
185.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
189.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
我不收 有沒有必要回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
189.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
191.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
市長要不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
191.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
194.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
委員這題因為涉及到食安法的解讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
194.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
199.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
我只是問你啊 如果你收到金塊橙色不足你會不會回報 不收就對了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
199.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
202.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
如果以一般消費者的角度來講的話 就是拒絕交易 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
202.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
207.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
對嘛 部長 那台糖拒絕交易 拒絕收那批不合格的出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
207.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
210.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
你覺得台糖有沒有違失 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
210.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
214.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
他拒絕 這個本來就是他們的SOC |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
214.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
223.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
但是 所以說 胃超跟金塊 出油跟食品 出油不等於食品啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
223.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
227.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
好 我現在進入正題了 來 我們來看一看 我再問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
227.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
232.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
剛剛好像那個署長沒有人請教你 署長是科學家 來醫師請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
232.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
236.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
太空站的太空人啊 他喝的水是什麼水 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
236.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
238.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
應該是循環的水 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
238.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
244.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
太空人 他呼出來的水氣 他的排尿 他的漢液 通通收集起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
244.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
247.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
經過再生後 他就給他喝啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
247.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
249.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
署長 如果你是太空人 你敢喝嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
249.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
250.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
我會喝 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
250.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
253.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
你會喝嗎 因為 這個完全處理合格的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
253.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
256.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
金塊是你排出來的 你還是敢喝嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
256.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
259.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
你隔壁的太空人排出來的 你也敢喝嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
259.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
262.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
對的 經過處理啦 不能直接喝啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
262.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
264.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
好 往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
264.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
267.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
來 游泳池有沒有訂標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
267.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
270.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
游泳池有規定嘛 生菌數多少嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
270.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
276.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
不能要低於500CFU嘛 大腸桿菌你100公戳要少於1CFU嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
276.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
280.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
如果合乎標準的游泳池 你敢下水嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
280.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
282.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
敢嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
282.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
286.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
除非有小朋友在你旁邊偷偷做什麼不應該做的事嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
286.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
291.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
好 但是如果你這樣的馬桶 拿了水 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
291.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
294.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
它是超過1CPU的 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
294.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
296.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
結果呢 我幫它稀釋 稀釋掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
296.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
300.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
跟游泳池的標準一樣 有兩杯水 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
300.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
302.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
一杯是游泳池的 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
302.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
304.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
一杯是你家馬桶拿出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
304.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
307.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
但是稀釋之後呢 標準跟游泳池一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
307.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
309.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
請問你要喝哪一杯 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
310.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
313.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
因為兩杯都沒有在喝 不會喝游泳池的水 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
313.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
314.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
除非嗆到才會 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
314.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
317.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
對啦 你嗆到了 你希望是嗆到游泳池的水 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
317.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
319.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
還是嗆到那個馬桶裡的水 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
319.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
321.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
因為不會去馬桶裡面游泳 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
321.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
323.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
是啦 所以應該在游泳池會嗆到 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
323.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
325.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
很好 但是呢 在科學上 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
325.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
329.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
一般人直覺說 如果兩杯水的標準是一模一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
329.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
332.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
他會覺得在游泳池裡面嗆到水比較安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
332.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
335.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
我告訴他說 我這杯水跟游泳池的品質一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
335.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
338.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
但是是從你家的馬桶咬出來稀釋過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
338.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
340.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
你覺得他會接受嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
340.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
342.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
比較困難接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
342.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
344.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
心理上不會接受 很奇怪呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
344.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
348.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
你如果在太空人 你自己的排尿 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
348.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
350.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
經過處理後的水你都敢喝 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
350.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
353.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
到游泳池裡面 你不曉得隔壁的小朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
353.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
356.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
有沒有怎麼樣 你嗆到水你還是無所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
356.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
359.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
但是如果告訴你 我現在給你喝的這杯水 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
359.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
362.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
是從你家馬桶撈出來的 稀釋過 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
362.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
366.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
完全合乎標準 你還是有心理障礙嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
366.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
370.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
委員這邊提到的就是在食品安全的安全跟安心這兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
370.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
372.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
是的 其實要照顧到民眾的心裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
372.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
375.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
沒有錯 這就是來 我今天要講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
375.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
378.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
今天的板偏皮 這個字呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
378.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
380.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
我現在全國人民都會念了 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
380.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
382.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
中聯的標準是10ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
384.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
387.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
中聯有指他去進的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
387.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
389.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
過去都是賣中國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
389.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
391.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
巴西的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
391.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
394.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
它本來的熱損率就比較高 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
394.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
398.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
所以中聯過去都不是跟 它是跟美國進 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
398.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
401.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
它現在改跟巴西進 熱損率提高到它照收 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
401.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
404.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
如果這批黃豆送到中國去 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
404.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
406.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
出來的是8ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
406.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
408.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
我們有沒有違反中聯的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
408.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
409.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
409.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
411.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
但是它的標準多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
411.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
413.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
2ppb嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
413.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
414.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
他們是10 我們是2 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
414.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
415.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
他們是10 我們是2嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
415.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
417.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
台灣是2 他們是10嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
417.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
419.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
所以如果中聯不買美國的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
419.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
421.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
改進巴西的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
421.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
424.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
創造中國去提煉合乎中聯的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
424.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
427.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
但是呢 到台灣來就超標了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
427.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
429.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
是不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
429.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
431.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
好 那現在大家來談啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
431.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
433.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
20%的標準是怎麼來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
433.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
435.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
今天中流的問題油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
435.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
437.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
它是8.1ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
437.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
439.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
我是油品加工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
439.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
441.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
我不曉得這批油有超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
441.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
444.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
我用了 我有沒有可能超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
444.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
446.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
446.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
447.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
我是夏爾的食品加工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
447.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
448.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
會不會有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
448.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
449.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
449.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
451.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
那如果我經過西市 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
451.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
455.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
我沒有全部用 我只用兩成 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
455.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
459.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
8.1ppb的兩成是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
459.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
461.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
1.6左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
461.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
462.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
就是西市了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
462.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
465.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
我沒有用 我沒有全部都用中聯的油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
465.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
466.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
我只用兩成 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
466.6 |
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結果呢 它從8.1ppb變成了1.6ppb |
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請問站在食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
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我是食品夏爾的加工廠 |
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我的油是1.6本便比 1.6ppb |
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有沒有超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
478.6 |
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482.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
報告委員 這個部分是符合衛生安全標準 |
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482.6 |
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483.6 |
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是的嘛 |
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485.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
回到7月4號做這個決議的時候 |
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只有一批 |
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489.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
也不知道這些廠商是這麼遏制的 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
489.6 |
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491.6 |
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去延遲通報 隱匿通報 |
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我現在沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
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所以這個沒有西市的問題 |
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495.6 |
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我只是個不知情的食品加工廠 |
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我進了一批有問題的油 超標 |
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結果我在製程當中 |
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我因為很多家一起用嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
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505.6 |
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所以我這一家有問題的油用不到兩成 |
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所以我的製程品 |
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它只有合乎小於2ppb的1.6ppb |
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512.6 |
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那食安法 |
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它算不算一個合格的產品 |
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報告委員 它是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
516.6 |
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517.6 |
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它是合格的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
520.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
這個階段其實我們的想法做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
520.6 |
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522.6 |
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跟韓國 歐盟一致的 |
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525.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
對於這種的比較濃度會下降 |
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理論上是如果知道它是惡性的 |
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530.6 |
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是不可以西市的 |
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531.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
但是我們是不知道的 |
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533.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
所以訂出這樣標準的情形 |
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533.6 |
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534.6 |
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是有太多嫌疑的 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
536.6 |
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就像說 如果我是太空人 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
536.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
537.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
我知道我喝的水 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
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540.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
是從我的尿液重新提煉全文化給我喝的 |
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540.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
541.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
我敢喝 |
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541.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
543.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
今天我去游泳池 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
543.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
545.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
我知道游泳池檢驗過了合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
545.6 |
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546.6 |
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我敢下水 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
546.6 |
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548.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
但是就算你拿一杯水給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
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550.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
它完全跟游泳池錘一模一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
551.6 |
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552.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
但是你告訴我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
552.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
554.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
這時候從我家馬桶裡面來稀釋過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
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556.6 |
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我就不敢喝嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
557.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
559.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
完全合乎科學標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
559.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
560.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
完全合乎食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
560.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
563.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
但是不符合我們心理的安心嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
563.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
564.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
所以後來 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
564.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
566.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
後來為什麼我們還是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
566.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
567.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
要讓它下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
567.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
568.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
568.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
569.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
是這樣嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
570.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
570.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
572.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
所以當時是根據科學證據來的嘛 |
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575.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
不要盡快為超傻傻分不清 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
575.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
577.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
不要把下游的加工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
577.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
580.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
它完全符合食安標準的法規的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
580.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
581.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
硬要人家下架 |
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581.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
582.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
它是合法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
582.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
585.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
但是基於消費者的心理的感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
585.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
587.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
明明可以喝的 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
587.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
589.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
太空人敢喝的自己的水 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
589.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
591.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
我們到了我們台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
591.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
592.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
到我們的地面 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
592.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
593.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
到我們的地球 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
593.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
595.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
只要這杯水完全合標 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
595.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
597.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
我告訴你跟你家馬桶舀出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
597.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
599.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
你碰都不敢碰啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
599.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
601.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
這就是消費者心理的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
601.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
602.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
好往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
602.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
604.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
所以我們現在看到這個問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
604.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
606.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
如果是這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
606.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
608.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
這些下游的食品廠是不是無辜的 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
608.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
609.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
我進了游 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
609.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
611.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
我以為它是合標的 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
611.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
613.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
我生產完了 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
613.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
614.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
我要出廠前 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
614.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
615.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
我驗了 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
615.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
616.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
也是合標的 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
616.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
617.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
617.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
618.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
為什麼政府要叫我下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
618.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
620.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
我下架後的損失誰來補償我 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
622.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
623.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
623.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
624.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
你們怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
624.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
625.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
是不是修食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
625.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
627.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
針對食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
627.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
629.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
面對我們配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
629.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
633.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
所謂的預防性下架的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
633.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
634.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
我們目前積極在修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
635.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
637.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
就是你們現在情深院版的 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
637.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
639.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
增列第二條第五款對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
639.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
642.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
可是我們的食安基金目前只有10億 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
642.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
643.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
我們的食品業 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
643.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
645.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
佔我們國家的產值多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
645.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
646.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
部長你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
646.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
648.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
我們國家的食品加工業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
648.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
650.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
我們有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
650.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
652.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
是一個百億還是一個千億 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
652.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
654.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
部長你估一下大概是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
654.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
655.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
食品加工業 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
655.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
656.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
它的產值 |
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656.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
658.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
應該有好幾百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
658.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
660.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
應該上千億 |
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660.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
663.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
那上千億如果按照這個方式下架的話 |
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663.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
665.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
就損的風險有沒有可能超過10億 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
665.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
667.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
那食安基金夠嗎 |
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667.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
669.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
669.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
671.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
好所以來部長你現在仔細聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
671.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
673.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
來我的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
673.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
675.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
我在7月14號我就問了 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
675.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
677.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
我說可不可以請經濟部研擬 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
677.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
679.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
食品產銷風險管理基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
679.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
681.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
681.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
683.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
這些不知情的並沒有違法的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
683.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
685.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
因為剛剛那樣的心理因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
685.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
687.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
可能政府要求他配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
687.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
689.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
把他合格的食品下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
689.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
691.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
這樣的一個經濟損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
691.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
693.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
我們弄一個風險管理基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
693.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
695.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
695.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
697.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
部長那個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
697.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
699.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
是次長在陪 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
699.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
701.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
那時候你出國嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
701.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
703.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
院長說這個可以來研究一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
703.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
705.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
部長研究了沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
705.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
707.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
部長有沒有研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
707.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
709.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
食品產銷風險管理基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
709.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
711.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
有沒有研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
711.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
713.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
對但是我個人來講是還滿贊成這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
713.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
715.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
很好謝謝這句話就夠了 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
715.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
717.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
你很贊成因為我給你一個機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
717.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
719.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
來接下來本席的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
719.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
721.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
我就這次 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
721.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
723.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
從行政院版當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
723.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
725.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
我就寫為確保違規食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
725.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
727.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
業者依指揮中心指示或中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
727.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
729.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
主管機關依第四條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
729.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
731.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
就是要求下架的公告辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
731.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
733.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
得設立食品產銷風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
733.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
735.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
管理基金秉持著 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
735.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
737.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
同一個互助的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
737.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
739.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
給予必要的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
739.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
741.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
得委託其他機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
741.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
743.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
法人或團體辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
743.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
745.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
前項基金依個別食品原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
745.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
747.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
業者的銷售金額付別列帳 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
747.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
749.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
你市占率越高的你就繳越多 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
749.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
751.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
那費率怎麼算 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
751.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
753.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
這個是有類似的 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
753.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
755.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
我們的汽車 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
755.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
757.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
強制責任險有一個特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
757.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
759.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
補償基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
759.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
761.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
強保險很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
761.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
763.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
強保險我今天問一下車撞了 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
763.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
765.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
萬一他是一個無照的 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
765.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
767.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
他是一個沒有經濟能力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
767.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
769.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
我不要撞我倒楣 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
769.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
771.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
好在有汽車強制責任險 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
771.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
773.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
我被撞了我可以跟誰求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
773.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
775.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
我可以跟我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
775.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
777.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
那香保基金誰出 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
777.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
779.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
我用保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
779.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
781.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
但是我們在其他的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
781.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
783.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
有同業來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
783.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
785.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
叫什麼平保協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
785.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
787.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
我們的旅遊品質保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
787.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
789.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
一個基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
789.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
791.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
萬一我的旅營倒了我在國外回不來 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
791.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
793.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
飯店上面有結 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
793.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
795.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
就會從同業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
795.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
797.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
這個基金幫我把旅館錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
797.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
799.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
巧了我可以回國來 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
799.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
801.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
部長有沒有聽過 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
801.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
803.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
這樣的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
803.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
805.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
805.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
807.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
第一項基金的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
807.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
809.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
包括食品原料業者依前項角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
809.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
811.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
的費用及資息收入及起步 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
811.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
813.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
的支出餘額 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
813.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
815.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
這些就是讓食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
815.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
817.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
他們透過自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
817.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
819.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
供基金的方式遇到有 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
819.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
821.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
同業老鼠屎 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
821.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
823.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
壞了一鍋粥的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
823.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
825.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
同業至少可以怎麼樣透過這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
825.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
827.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
基金把守法的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
827.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
829.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
因為這樣的一個不必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
829.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
831.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
的損失得以救濟得以 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
831.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
833.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
補償 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
833.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
835.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
部長是不是支持這樣的構想 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
835.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
837.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
所以後面我就不再講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
837.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
839.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
我們看結論往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
839.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
841.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
所以請經濟部協助業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
841.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
843.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
成立食品產銷風險管理基金的肯行性 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
843.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
845.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
並提出順便報告好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
845.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
847.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
所以以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
847.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
849.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
去市場講買位 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
849.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
851.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
不能用位抄 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
851.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
853.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
不要講買刀攤拆業 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
853.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
855.6 |
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那至於處長你要說的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
855.6 |
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857.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
為什麼20%那時候你們認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
857.6 |
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859.6 |
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原料有占不到20%就不用下架 |
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859.6 |
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861.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
法規的標準科學正確一模一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
861.6 |
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863.6 |
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但是為什麼後來你們改變了 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
863.6 |
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865.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
因為民眾心不安 |
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865.6 |
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867.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
867.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
869.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
謝謝部長謝謝署長 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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主席、在場的委員先進、列席的政府機關首長官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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有請經濟部龔部長、法務部法律司謝司長、衛福部姜署長，以及審計部的林副審計長。 |
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主席 |
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請龔部長、法務部、衛福部、審計部。 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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1 |
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委員早安。 |
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0 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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|
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也給主席建議，時間部分我們尊重主席的控制，但是如果一直跳針，我想主席應該要適時的調整一下。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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部長，裝睡的人叫不醒，剛剛有人問部長菜市場買菜，我問一下部長，你有沒有收過偽鈔？ |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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好像沒有。 |
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1 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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|
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來，副審計長可能比較有這個經驗，你有沒有收過偽鈔？ |
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林副審計長汝玲 |
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|
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我本人是沒有。 |
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1 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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|
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沒有，如果在菜市場，你覺得菜販收到偽鈔要不要通報？ |
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0.727 |
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林副審計長汝玲 |
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2026-08-10T09:53:48.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:53:53.382609+08:00 |
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如果是菜販，我想他是小本經營，當他拿到一張偽鈔，他一定會去…… |
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0.654 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:53:53.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:54:01.400000+08:00 |
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對嘛，還是這個菜販會認為自己收到偽鈔了，但下一個顧客不曉得，之後就在找錢時把它找回去，你覺得這樣可以嗎？ |
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林副審計長汝玲 |
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2026-08-10T09:54:01.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:54:02.400000+08:00 |
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我覺得這樣應該不道德，應該不會， |
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0.929 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:54:03.066667+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:54:04.700000+08:00 |
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不只不道德，還違法！ |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:54:07.966667+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:54:15.360000+08:00 |
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偽鈔不是通用的法幣，所以他如果冒用通用的法幣，知道的人有責任通報，對不對？是。 |
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0.912 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:54:15.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:54:20.350000+08:00 |
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而且也不能把偽造法幣的偽鈔繼續流通，對不對？是。 |
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0.762 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:54:20.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:54:29.377778+08:00 |
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好，我請教謝司長，偽鈔有法律規定，黃金有沒有法律規定？ |
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0.783 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:54:29.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:54:36.100000+08:00 |
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黃金的成色9999還是9989，法律有沒有規定？ |
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0.929 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:54:36.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:00.350000+08:00 |
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我去銀樓，假設銀樓說有人拿偽鈔來，通報嘛，但有人拿黃金來，說我這個要賣給銀樓，銀樓說你這個成色不足，我只收成色足的、9999的，銀樓不收，也沒有去通報，你覺得銀樓有沒有責任？ |
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0.889 |
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謝代理司長志明 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:00.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:03.433333+08:00 |
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一般按照我們的工作經驗，這邊是沒有責任的。 |
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0.947 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:03.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:06.600000+08:00 |
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對嘛，所以粗油就是什麼？ |
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0.9 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:06.933333+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:08.266667+08:00 |
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就是金塊嘛！ |
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1 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:08.827273+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:18.242857+08:00 |
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台糖訂了一批粗油，成色不足要賣給台糖，台糖不收嘛，要求對方拿回去，因為台糖要的是純的、9999的啦，有沒有違法？ |
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0.511 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:18.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:21+08:00 |
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有沒有違法？ |
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1 |
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謝代理司長志明 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:21.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:25.409524+08:00 |
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就沒有通報這件事情，以你的例子來講是這樣啦。 |
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0.9 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:25.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:26.711111+08:00 |
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所以說嘛，部長，知道了沒有？ |
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0.545 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:27.377778+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:42.442105+08:00 |
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同樣是去菜市場買菜，你用偽鈔跟金塊，人家就聽懂了啦，偽鈔是冒用法定貨幣，食品有食品安全，我買了這家的合格食品，我再賣給別人，因為我確認它是合格的，我轉賣可以嘛，對不對？ |
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0.865 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:42.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:47.391667+08:00 |
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如果拿到一個不合格的食品，我還轉賣，我就不對嘛，是不是？ |
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1 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:47.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:56.200000+08:00 |
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我去進黃金，我去進原料，原料的成色不合我的要求，我不收，有沒有必要回報？ |
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0.968 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:57+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:58.200000+08:00 |
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司長，要不要？ |
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0.8 |
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謝代理司長志明 |
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2026-08-10T09:55:58.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:01.400000+08:00 |
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委員，這一題因為涉及到食安法的解讀…… |
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0.938 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:01.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:05.393103+08:00 |
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我只是問你啊，如果你收到金塊成色不足，你會不會回報？ |
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0.957 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:05.565517+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:06.427586+08:00 |
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不收就對了嘛！ |
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1 |
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謝代理司長志明 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:06.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:09.457143+08:00 |
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如果以一般消費者的角度來講的話，就是拒絕交易。 |
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1 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:09.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:17.300000+08:00 |
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對嘛，部長，台糖拒絕交易，拒絕收那一批不合格的粗油，你覺得台糖有沒有違失？ |
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0.875 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:17.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:21.066667+08:00 |
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他拒絕，這個本來就是他們的SOP啊。 |
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0.875 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:21.991304+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:30.208696+08:00 |
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是嘛，所以說偽鈔跟金塊，粗油跟食品，粗油不等於食品啦！ |
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0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:30.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:36.822222+08:00 |
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好，我現在進入正題了，我們來看一看，我再問一下，剛剛好像沒有人請教署長。 |
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0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:37.192593+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:43.350000+08:00 |
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署長是科學家、醫師，請教一下，太空站的太空人，他喝的水是什麼水？ |
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1 |
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姜署長至剛 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:43.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:45.314286+08:00 |
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應該是循環的水。 |
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1 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:46.350000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:56.446154+08:00 |
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對，他呼出來的水氣、他的排尿、他的汗液通通收集起來，經過再生後就給他喝啊，署長，如果你是太空人，你敢喝嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:56.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:57.266667+08:00 |
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我會喝。 |
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1 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:56:57.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:57:06.600000+08:00 |
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你會喝嘛，因為這個是處理完全合格的嘛，儘管是你排出來的，你還是敢喝嘛，你隔壁的太空人排出來的，你也敢喝嘛？對。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:57:07.061538+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:57:09.369231+08:00 |
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當然要經過處理，不能直接喝啦。 |
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0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:57:09.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:57:14.300000+08:00 |
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好，我們往下看，游泳池有沒有訂標準？ |
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0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:57:14.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:57:17.412500+08:00 |
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游泳池有規定生菌數多少嘛，對不對？ |
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1 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-08-10T09:57:18.121739+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:57:27.333333+08:00 |
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要低於500CFU嘛，大腸桿菌，一百公撮要少於1CFU嘛，如果合乎標準的游泳池，你敢下水嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:57:27.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:57:29.200000+08:00 |
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敢嘛，對不對？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-08-10T09:57:29.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:57:33.440000+08:00 |
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除非有小朋友在你旁邊偷偷做什麼不應該做的事嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:57:33.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:57:56.350000+08:00 |
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好，但如果是從你家的馬桶拿的水，它是超過1CFU的，結果呢我幫它稀釋，稀釋掉後跟游泳池的標準一樣，有兩杯水，一杯是游泳池的，一杯是你家馬桶拿出來的，但是稀釋後標準跟游泳池一樣，請問你要喝哪一杯？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
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2026-08-10T09:57:57.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:58:01.433333+08:00 |
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因為兩杯都沒有在喝，不會喝游泳池的水，除非嗆到才會。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T09:58:01.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:58:06.418182+08:00 |
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對啦，你嗆到了，你希望是嗆到游泳池的水，還是嗆到那個馬桶裡的水？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
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2026-08-10T09:58:06.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:58:08.418182+08:00 |
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因為不會去馬桶裡面游泳。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-08-10T09:58:08.600000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-08-10T09:58:08.753846+08:00 |
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是啦，沒有錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-08-10T09:58:08.907692+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-08-10T09:58:10.446154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
所以應該在游泳池才會嗆到。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-08-10T09:58:10.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:58:27.350000+08:00 |
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很好，但是在科學上，一般人的直覺，如果兩杯水的標準一模一樣，他會覺得在游泳池裡面嗆到水比較安心，我告訴他說「我這杯水跟游泳池的品質一樣，但是是從你家的馬桶舀出來，稀釋過的」，你覺得他會接受嗎？ |
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0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-08-10T09:58:27.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-08-10T09:58:29.266667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
比較難接受。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-08-10T09:58:29.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:58:43.412500+08:00 |
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心理上不會接受，很奇怪耶，你如果是太空人，你自己的排尿經過處理後的水，你都敢喝，到游泳池裡面，你不曉得隔壁的小朋友有沒有怎麼樣，但你嗆到水，你還是無所謂。 |
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0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-08-10T09:58:43.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-08-10T09:58:53.377778+08:00 |
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但是如果告訴你，我現在給你喝的這杯水是從你家馬桶撈出來的，稀釋過完全合乎標準，你還是有心理障礙嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-08-10T09:58:53.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-08-10T09:58:57.742857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
委員這邊提到的就是食品安全的安全跟安心這兩個部分。是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-08-10T09:58:57.885714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-08-10T09:58:59.457143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
其實要照顧到民眾的心裡面，是我們一直要努力的目標。 |
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0.522 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-08-10T09:58:59.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T09:59:36.100000+08:00 |
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沒有錯，這就是我今天要講的，今天的苯駢芘，這個字終於現在全國人民都會唸了，中國的標準是10 ppb，中聯油脂它去進的黃豆，過去都是賣中國的，巴西的黃豆，它本來的熱損率就比較高，所以中聯過去都是跟美國進，它現在改跟巴西進，熱損率提高但它照收，如果這批黃豆送到中國去，出來的是8 ppb，請問有沒有違反中國的標準？沒有。 |
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0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-08-10T09:59:36.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-08-10T09:59:38.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
但是我們的標準是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-08-10T09:59:38.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-08-10T09:59:40.100000+08:00 |
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2 ppb嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-08-10T09:59:40.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-08-10T09:59:41.433333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
他們是10，我們是2。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-08-10T09:59:41.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-08-10T09:59:42.500000+08:00 |
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他們是10，我們是2嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-08-10T09:59:42.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-08-10T09:59:56.266667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
臺灣是2，他們是10嘛，所以如果中聯不買美國的黃豆，改進巴西的黃豆送到中國去提煉，合乎中國的標準，但是呢，到臺灣來就超標了嘛，是不是這樣子？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-08-10T09:59:56.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-08-10T10:00:00.377778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
好，那現在大家在談的20％的標準是怎麼來的？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-08-10T10:00:00.822222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-08-10T10:00:11.327273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
天中聯的油品是8.1 ppb，我是油品加工廠，我不曉得這批油超標，我用了有沒有可能超標？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-08-10T10:00:13.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-08-10T10:00:16.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
我是下游的食品廠，會不會有可能？有。有嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-08-10T10:00:16.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-08-10T10:00:26.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
如果我經過稀釋、沒有全部用，我只用兩成，8.1ppb的兩成是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-08-10T10:00:27.266667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-08-10T10:00:27.933333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
一點六左右。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-08-10T10:00:28.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-08-10T10:00:29.433333+08:00 |
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就是稀釋了嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-08-10T10:00:30.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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2026-08-10T10:00:45.400000+08:00 |
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我沒有全部都用中聯油脂，我只用兩成，結果它從8.1 ppb變成了1.6 ppb，請問依食安法而言，我是食品下游的加工廠，我的油是苯駢芘1.6 ppb，有沒有超標？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.877 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-08-10T10:00:45.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-08-10T10:00:49.933333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
報告委員，這部分是符合衛生安全標準。是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-08-10T10:00:50.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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2026-08-10T10:00:58.377778+08:00 |
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回到7月4號做這個決議的時候，只有1批，也不知道這些廠商會這麼惡質地延遲及隱匿通報，所以沒有稀釋的問題，這個同意。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.633 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-08-10T10:00:58.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-08-10T10:01:01.418182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
我現在沒有問別的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-08-10T10:01:01.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-08-10T10:01:21.418182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
假設我只是個不知情的食品加工廠，我進了1批超標的問題油，結果我在製程當中一起使用很多家的油，這一家有問題的油用不到兩成，所以我的製成品只有1.6 ppb小於2 ppb，依食安法它算不算一個合格的產品？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.807 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-08-10T10:01:21.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-08-10T10:01:23.377778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
報告委員，它是合格的。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-08-10T10:01:23.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-08-10T10:01:24.433333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
它是合格的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-08-10T10:01:24.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-08-10T10:01:41.457143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
這個階段，其實我們的想法及做法跟韓國、歐盟一致，對於這種相對下降的濃度，理論上如果知道它是惡性的，是不可以稀釋的，但我們是不知情的，所以訂出這樣標準的情形是有前提的。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.855 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-08-10T10:01:41.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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2026-08-10T10:02:03.266667+08:00 |
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就好比，如果我是太空人，我知道我食用的水是從我的尿液重新提煉、純化給我喝的，我敢喝；今天我去游泳池，知道游泳池檢驗合格，我才敢下水；如果你拿一杯水給我，它完全跟游泳池的水一模一樣，但是你告訴我說，這是從我家馬桶裡面稀釋的，我就不敢喝嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-08-10T10:02:04.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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2026-08-10T10:02:10.369231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
完全合乎科學標準、完全合乎食安，但是不符合我們心裡的安心嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-08-10T10:02:10.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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2026-08-10T10:02:15.266667+08:00 |
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所以後來我們還是覺得要讓它下架，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-08-10T10:02:15.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-08-10T10:02:17.100000+08:00 |
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是這樣嘛！是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-08-10T10:02:17.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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2026-08-10T10:02:46.314286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
所以當時是根據科學證據，不要金塊、偽鈔傻傻分不清，不要把下游加工廠完全符合食安標準法規的產品，硬要人家下架，它是合法的，但是基於消費者心裡的感受，明明可以喝的……像太空人敢喝自己的水，但是到了我們臺灣，到我們的地面，到我們的地球，雖然這杯水完全合標，我告訴你，從你家馬桶舀出來的水你碰都不敢碰啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-08-10T10:02:46.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-08-10T10:02:48.418182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
這就是消費者心裡的要求。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-08-10T10:02:49.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-08-10T10:02:55.457143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
所以我們現在看到這個問題，如果是這樣子的話，這些下游的食品廠是不是無辜的？ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-08-10T10:02:55.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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2026-08-10T10:03:05.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
我進了油，以為它合標，我生產完在出廠前驗了也是合標，請問為什麼政府要叫我下架？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-08-10T10:03:05.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-08-10T10:03:07.266667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
我下架後的損失誰來補償？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-08-10T10:03:10.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-08-10T10:03:11.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
處長，你們怎麼做？ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-08-10T10:03:11.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-08-10T10:03:12.457143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
是不是就食安法的規定進行說明？ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-08-10T10:03:12.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-08-10T10:03:21.488889+08:00 |
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針對食安法，面對配合預防性下架的業者，我們目前積極在修法，以及找到相對…… |
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0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:22.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:26.418182+08:00 |
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就是現在行政院版增列的第二項第五款，對不對？是的。 |
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0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:26.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:33.433333+08:00 |
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可是我們的食安基金目前只有10億，食品業占我們國家的產值多少，部長知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-08-10T10:03:33.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:37.200000+08:00 |
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我們國家的食品加工業者有多少？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:37.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:39.418182+08:00 |
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是一個百億還是一個千億？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-08-10T10:03:39.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:41.418182+08:00 |
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部長，你估一下，食品加工業的產值大概是多少？ |
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0.579 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:43.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:45.314286+08:00 |
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應該有好幾百億。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:45.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:52.446154+08:00 |
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應該是上千億，上千億如果按照這個方式下架的話，受損的風險有沒有可能超過10億？ |
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0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:52.885714+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:55.600000+08:00 |
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食安基金夠嗎？不夠。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:55.600000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:57.266667+08:00 |
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不夠嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T10:03:57.266667+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:04:06.400000+08:00 |
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針對我的修法，請部長和處長現在仔細聽，我在7月14日就問了，我說：可不可以請經濟部研擬食品產銷風險管理基金？ |
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0.761 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-08-10T10:04:06.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:04:07.933333+08:00 |
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為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-08-10T10:04:08.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:04:21.933333+08:00 |
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這些不知情且並無違法的業者，因為剛剛那樣的心理因素，政府可能要求它配合把合格的食品下架，這樣的經濟損失可以設一個風險管理基金來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T10:04:22.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:04:32.314286+08:00 |
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當時部長出國，由次長陪同，院長說可以研究一下，部長研究了沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-08-10T10:04:33.171429+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:04:36.400000+08:00 |
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有沒有研究食品產銷風險管理基金？ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-08-10T10:04:38.975000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:04:40.350000+08:00 |
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以我個人來講還蠻贊成這樣，因為它下游…… |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-08-10T10:04:40.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:04:44.446154+08:00 |
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很好，謝謝，這句話就夠了，你很贊成，我給你一個機會。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-08-10T10:04:44.822222+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:05:16.433333+08:00 |
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接下來是本席的版本，這次從行政院版當中，我就寫：為確保未違規食品業者依指揮中心指示或中央主管機關依第四條第五項規定（要求下架）公告辦理，得設立食品產銷風險管理基金，秉持同業互助原則給予必要之補助，並得委託其他機關（構）法人或團體辦理；前項基金依個別食品原料業者銷售金額分別列帳，市占率越高的就繳越多。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.934 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T10:05:16.933333+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:05:40.418182+08:00 |
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另外費率如何計算也有類似情形，我們的汽車強制責任險有一個特別補償基金，強保險很重要，我今天被人家的車撞了，萬一是被無照、沒有經濟能力的人撞，我被撞了算我倒楣，還好有汽機車強制責任險，我被撞了可以向誰求償？ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.774 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-08-10T10:05:40.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:05:44.314286+08:00 |
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我可以向強保基金求償，而強保基金誰出？ |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.471 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-08-10T10:05:45.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:05:46.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
保險費。 |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-08-10T10:05:47.400000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:06:06.100000+08:00 |
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在其他地方也有同業來做的情形，如品保協會管理旅遊品質保險基金，萬一我的旅行社倒了，我在國外回不來，飯店帳沒有結，就會從這個同業的基金幫我把旅館錢繳了，我才可以回國。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.787 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-08-10T10:06:06.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:06:10.600000+08:00 |
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部長有沒有聽過這樣的機制？有。有嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-08-10T10:06:12.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:06:39.600000+08:00 |
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所以第一項基金之來源，包括食品原料業者依前項繳納之費用及孳息之收入與給付支出餘額，這些就是讓食品業者透過公基金的方式，當遇到同業老鼠屎壞了一鍋粥時，至少可以透過這個基金保障守法的業者，針對這樣不必要的損失得予救濟與補償。 |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.817 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-08-10T10:06:40.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:06:42.433333+08:00 |
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部長支不支持，這樣的構想？支持。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-08-10T10:06:43.400000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:06:52.400000+08:00 |
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很好，我直接講結論，請經濟部研議協助業者成立食品產銷風險管理基金的可行性，並提出書面報告，好不好？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-08-10T10:06:52.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:06:59.350000+08:00 |
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所以以後去市場不能用偽鈔，也不要講買到爛菜葉。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-08-10T10:07:00.766667+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:07:06.433333+08:00 |
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至於署長有關20％的部分，為什麼當時你們認為原料油占不到20％就不用下架？ |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.71 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-08-10T10:07:06.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:07:13.933333+08:00 |
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因為法規的標準及科學證據一模一樣，但是為什麼後來你們改變了，因為民眾心不安啦，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-08-10T10:07:14.600000+08:00 |
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2026-08-10T10:07:16.350000+08:00 |
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謝謝部長，謝謝署長。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-08-10T10:07:16.850000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-10T10:07:20.564286+08:00 |
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好，謝謝部長、署長及鍾佳濱委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-08-10T10:07:20.864286+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-10T10:07:24.578571+08:00 |
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接下來我們請邱志偉委員質詢。 |
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0 |