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劉建國 @ 第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:10,000 | 好 謝謝主席 有請部長 |
| 00:00:10,000 | 00:00:12,000 | 好 請石部長 |
| 00:00:12,000 | 00:00:16,000 | 柳委員好 |
| 00:00:16,000 | 00:00:23,000 | 部長好 部長我要來釐清這個中聯問題遊品的這個事件 |
| 00:00:23,000 | 00:00:25,000 | 你看這個時序看這樣對不對 |
| 00:00:25,000 | 00:00:27,000 | 我要再跟你double check一下 |
| 00:00:27,000 | 00:00:31,000 | 5月4號台黨知道中聯遊這個本免費超標嘛 |
| 00:00:31,000 | 00:00:36,000 | 然後再來5月18號是台黨拒收這該批的原料 |
| 00:00:36,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 6月4號南橋遊子自行送驗死發現異常 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:44,000 | 10號南橋遊子同時上友廠商扶壽公司 |
| 00:00:44,000 | 00:00:47,000 | 30號中聯遊子正式向食藥署通報 |
| 00:00:47,000 | 00:00:49,000 | 這這樣的時序對嗎 |
| 00:00:49,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 欸不對 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:51,000 | 不對 |
| 00:00:51,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 那個更早是南橋在5月13號 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 他就已經驗出他自驗的第一個這個遊品超標 |
| 00:01:00,000 | 00:01:01,000 | 對 |
| 00:01:01,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 這是5月13號 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:07,000 | 就是我們第一批這個要求下架的那一批是他驗出來的 |
| 00:01:07,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 5月13號 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:09,000 | 好 |
| 00:01:09,000 | 00:01:10,000 | OK |
| 00:01:10,000 | 00:01:14,000 | 那5月15號驗的又不同 |
| 00:01:14,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 他那個是脫交原油 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:18,000 | 並不是他沒有批號的 |
| 00:01:18,000 | 00:01:21,000 | 5月13號南橋驗的那個是有批號 |
| 00:01:21,000 | 00:01:25,000 | 那個是0404的批號 |
| 00:01:25,000 | 00:01:26,000 | 0404嘛 |
| 00:01:26,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 對 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:31,000 | 就是4月的那個遊品 |
| 00:01:31,000 | 00:01:33,000 | 好沒關係我大致上這樣 |
| 00:01:33,000 | 00:01:37,000 | 就成本部長剛剛有更正我們再來做一個修正 |
| 00:01:37,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 那我是通過媒體報導裡面 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 應該就可以去斷定嘛 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:45,000 | 中聯他最少在4月份就知道他的油應該是有問題 |
| 00:01:45,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 4月就應該知道了 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:50,000 | 所以我在提供這個時序的時候 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:53,000 | 又可以發現他5月就知道了 |
| 00:01:53,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 最慢 |
| 00:01:55,000 | 00:01:57,000 | 應該最早是5月前 |
| 00:01:57,000 | 00:01:59,000 | 在最慢就是5月 |
| 00:01:59,000 | 00:02:01,000 | 中聯自己知道他的油是有狀況的 |
| 00:02:01,000 | 00:02:03,000 | 對因為這個 |
| 00:02:03,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 據我們現在的了解 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 5月15號台糖去送驗出這一個槽裡面 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 他的這個VAP值之後 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 中聯有自己再驗一次 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:19,000 | 所以他這一批就停在那裡 |
| 00:02:19,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 就沒有再繼續做 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 不過當時候他就應該了解 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 他的整個製程或者是顏料上 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 他就應該回頭去做一些處理 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:32,000 | 那麼這個更謹慎的他後面的一些 |
| 00:02:32,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 後續因為他還有很多批要出貨 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:37,000 | 就應該要開始逐批檢驗了 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 他要賣貨給人家 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 對方拒絕他 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:43,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:02:43,000 | 00:02:47,000 | 所以他應該也要給台糖一個收穫才對 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 對 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 應該是沒有 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 應該是沒有說 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 怎麼說就是他沒有去 |
| 00:02:59,000 | 00:03:02,000 | 中聯是不是到底怎麼去跟台糖講的 |
| 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 總是有個說法 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:07,000 | 這個說法到底怎麼樣我們不清楚 |
| 00:03:07,000 | 00:03:11,000 | 不過當拒絕跟他購買這些 |
| 00:03:11,000 | 00:03:15,000 | 這些原料的時候 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:23,000 | 我在想說這個事情怎麼會到現在才去弄出來 |
| 00:03:23,000 | 00:03:25,000 | 這是一件事情 |
| 00:03:25,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 那第二件事情 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:29,000 | 也就是不管4月中你自己知不知道 |
| 00:03:29,000 | 00:03:31,000 | 到5月中他就必須知道 |
| 00:03:31,000 | 00:03:33,000 | 而且他的油品已經被退貨 |
| 00:03:33,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 有問題的部分 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 不然6月12有知道 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:39,000 | 結果拖到6月13才主動通報 |
| 00:03:39,000 | 00:03:41,000 | 這個中間中聯到底要幹什麼 |
| 00:03:41,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 滿天過海企圖在下面證據 |
| 00:03:45,000 | 00:03:47,000 | 也不可能 |
| 00:03:47,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 也不可能 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:53,000 | 不過我今天要凸顯這個問題是要跟部長講說 |
| 00:03:53,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 從這個時間表來看 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:58,000 | 我覺得人性不可信 |
| 00:03:58,000 | 00:04:01,000 | 人性沒辦法相信 |
| 00:04:01,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 依食安法的規定 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:06,000 | 台糖購買中聯的半成品不需通報 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 所以台糖沒有通報 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:09,000 | 但依食安法的規定 |
| 00:04:09,000 | 00:04:11,000 | 應該主動通報的南僑也沒有通報 |
| 00:04:11,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 為什麼 |
| 00:04:13,000 | 00:04:17,000 | 因為南僑拿到的是已經是油品了 |
| 00:04:17,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 是 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 它已經是食用油品了 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:21,000 | 是 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:23,000 | 那麼台糖去驗的這個叫脫膠原油 |
| 00:04:23,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 脫膠原油 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 它並不是油品 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:29,000 | 那我們現在訂的扁平比標準指的就是 |
| 00:04:29,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 食用油脂的這個油品的標準 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 不是那個脫膠原油的標準 |
| 00:04:35,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 但是部長我是想用另外一個層次去看待這個事情 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 就是說 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 不管台糖不管南僑 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 對 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 他們全部都是生意上往來的夥伴 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 沒有錯 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:48,000 | 對 |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:50,000 | 也因為這樣台糖南僑福壽福茂中聯 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 不管是生意往來或是子母公司的關係鏈 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 所以你要這些業者互相把關主動監督 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 那又是在挑戰人性 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 對 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 所以我們未來修法上就是希望 |
| 00:05:05,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 因為他都是送外驗 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 這個第三個檢驗單位 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:11,000 | 所以檢驗單位加上他可以通報 |
| 00:05:11,000 | 00:05:13,000 | 那我們就可以提早有預警 |
| 00:05:13,000 | 00:05:17,000 | 那甚至在報的部分的這個檢驗的結果 |
| 00:05:17,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 我們也可以來討論更往前一點 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 一些重要的節點上 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 就把這個資料傳到這個主管機關來 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:28,000 | 我們就可以更早有這個風險的預警 |
| 00:05:28,000 | 00:05:29,000 | 對 |
| 00:05:29,000 | 00:05:31,000 | 所以說真的是沒有人可以保證 |
| 00:05:31,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 以後絕對不會再有這個下游業者發生問題 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 那上游製造業者用商業的壓力 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 人情壓力等各種方式 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:42,000 | 讓下游的業者不要去做通報 |
| 00:05:42,000 | 00:05:43,000 | 這可能會再發生 |
| 00:05:43,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 然後所以法律的修訂 |
| 00:05:48,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 法律的制定不能去挑戰人性 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 實在就是如此 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 我想就是必須要有堅強的外部監製 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:56,000 | 對 |
| 00:05:56,000 | 00:05:57,000 | 這樣的一個制度存在 |
| 00:05:57,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:01,000 | 所以我在我想本席在這次訊號裡面 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 提案特別要求要增加公衛師食品技師 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 在食品檢驗上的職能 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:10,000 | 透過他們的監督才能落實這個食安的檢查 |
| 00:06:10,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 我想是這個樣子 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 所以不只是增加外部的稽查 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 政府的查採也是非常重要 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 就像台南市他可以擴大抽驗23件流品 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 現在又發現3件的苦茶油 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 當中這本扁比又是超標 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 然後為什麼現在才發現 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 這是顯然過去地方單位在抽驗上 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 還是都有些問題的存在 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 還是都有些問題的存在 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 所以今天原本要修 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:38,000 | 現在又拖到現在 |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 所以如果根據三法第七條 |
| 00:06:40,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 授權應訂定食品安全監測計畫 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 與應辦理檢驗之食品業者 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 最低檢驗週期及其他相關事項 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:51,000 | 這個部分 |
| 00:06:51,000 | 00:06:53,000 | 我不會打算什麼時候修 |
| 00:06:53,000 | 00:06:55,000 | 現在已經在進行修正 |
| 00:06:55,000 | 00:06:57,000 | 我們會把它用成一個辦法 |
| 00:06:57,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 然後去訂出不同的檢驗頻率 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:02,000 | 上下層 |
| 00:07:02,000 | 00:07:03,000 | 如果是最上層 |
| 00:07:03,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 以中聯為例 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 中聯這個都會要求他 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 逐批檢驗 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 然後下面第二層的 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 這個泰山服售的話就是案技檢驗 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 我們就會提高他的檢驗的頻率 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 但是這個其他的事項 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 基本上有需要我們再修食安法過之後 |
| 00:07:22,000 | 00:07:23,000 | 這個不用 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 受權我們就會做 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 所以這個應該就可以 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 可以馬上來找手 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:29,000 | 來做一些調整 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 因為目前辦法中明訂 |
| 00:07:31,000 | 00:07:33,000 | 資本的3千萬以上的 |
| 00:07:33,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 使用由此製造工廠 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:37,000 | 及辦理商業登記公司登記 |
| 00:07:37,000 | 00:07:39,000 | 每半年或每批檢驗 |
| 00:07:39,000 | 00:07:40,000 | 至少一次 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 然後事實上地方政府 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:45,000 | 也沒有照衛福部食藥署這個標準 |
| 00:07:45,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 每半年或每批抽 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 才導致今天中聯這個問題有 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 甚至於股差多出現本便比 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 應該是這樣 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:57,000 | 所以如果依照這個抽驗標準 |
| 00:07:57,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 應該就是趕快來修 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:02,000 | 全面提高抽驗的一個標準 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 所以食安不能等 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:07,000 | 那食安法 |
| 00:08:07,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 跟委員說明 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 我們現在其他這個大豆的 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 另外這個最上游的這三家 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 包含台糖大統一還有常輝 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 都已經要求逐批檢驗了 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 現在已經在做了 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 已經要求他們逐批檢驗了 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 我想食安法送到立法院 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 一定會用最快速度來修 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 不過像今天這樣 |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 我們要審查現在排專報 |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 那可能今天就可能 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:34,000 | 可能今天就會來不及處理 |
| 00:08:34,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 所以我才會說 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 這個標準這個辦法 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 是不是應該藉助來處理 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 是 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 因為這才是我們小館的 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 相關的報告跟標準 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 就先行 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 就先行 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 不要等到食安法過後 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 再來慢慢修 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 部長可以認同嗎 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 可以 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:53,000 | 這個多久可以提出最新的版本 |
| 00:08:53,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 來進行公告 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 因為我們現在已經要求業者做了 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:57,000 | 但是我們這個還是要 |
| 00:08:57,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 按照這個法規預告的程序 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 我們在應該可以 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 近期就提出預告 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 因為我們大概已經修好 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:07,000 | 你的近期是多近期 |
| 00:09:07,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 明天 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 下禮拜 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:12,000 | 下禮拜預告應該是沒有問題 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 下禮拜預告 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 對 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:15,000 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:09:15,000 | 00:09:19,000 | 我們先修了這個食安法的草案 |
| 00:09:19,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 這個是授權辦法 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:22,000 | 我們同步在進行 |
| 00:09:22,000 | 00:09:24,000 | 所以這個我們內部上已經 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 下週就可以預告了 |
| 00:09:26,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 下週就可以預告 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:29,000 | 好部長再看 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:31,000 | 還是雖然先不分回去 |
| 00:09:31,000 | 00:09:34,000 | 772公民團體到衛福部門口陳情 |
| 00:09:34,000 | 00:09:37,000 | 這個部長有掌握吧 |
| 00:09:37,000 | 00:09:39,000 | 年短料推的透明餐桌 |
| 00:09:39,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 年俗預修法標示主要原料產地 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 那這個上下有文化經濟會指出 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:49,000 | 現行制度下國外原料經加工後 |
| 00:09:49,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 及可標示為台灣製造 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:53,000 | 消費者難以辨識主要原料來源 |
| 00:09:53,000 | 00:09:56,000 | 也因此才會發起透明餐桌的連署 |
| 00:09:56,000 | 00:09:58,000 | 要求主管機關來修法 |
| 00:09:58,000 | 00:10:00,000 | 並在政策制定過程中 |
| 00:10:00,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 落實社會對話 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 提升食品標示的透明度 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:06,000 | 有掌握吧 |
| 00:10:06,000 | 00:10:08,000 | 這個我們也有在研究 |
| 00:10:08,000 | 00:10:09,000 | 其實跟委員說 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 我們今年7月1號開始 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 所有的這個要稱為鮮乳的 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 它一定是要台灣的牛牛奶 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:19,000 | 才可以稱為鮮乳 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:21,000 | 其他都只能外國來的都 |
| 00:10:21,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 你到台灣來加工也沒有用 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:24,000 | 都只能稱為牛乳 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:25,000 | 所以有這種區別 |
| 00:10:25,000 | 00:10:27,000 | 這個我處理過我知道 |
| 00:10:27,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 而且在14天內 |
| 00:10:28,000 | 00:10:29,000 | 這個也處理很久 |
| 00:10:29,000 | 00:10:31,000 | 三個部會說幾步就對了 |
| 00:10:31,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 對 |
| 00:10:32,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 未來我也會朝這個方向來 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 凸顯這個在地的食材 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:42,000 | 那麼製造的原料跟它的食品 |
| 00:10:42,000 | 00:10:44,000 | 對啦所以部長用鮮乳這事情來講 |
| 00:10:44,000 | 00:10:46,000 | 我想我在處理過程裡面 |
| 00:10:46,000 | 00:10:47,000 | 我非常清楚 |
| 00:10:47,000 | 00:10:50,000 | 然後用這樣的比喻也很適切 |
| 00:10:50,000 | 00:10:52,000 | 所以這個是 |
| 00:10:52,000 | 00:10:54,000 | 其實這是很重要的食材問題 |
| 00:10:54,000 | 00:10:57,000 | 目前法規上不對原料來源 |
| 00:10:57,000 | 00:10:58,000 | 只要在台灣加工之後 |
| 00:10:58,000 | 00:11:00,000 | 就叫做台灣製造 |
| 00:11:00,000 | 00:11:03,000 | 那鮮乳不可能就不可能了嘛 |
| 00:11:03,000 | 00:11:04,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:11:04,000 | 00:11:06,000 | 那對於台灣還有一個 |
| 00:11:06,000 | 00:11:08,000 | 有機也不可能啊 |
| 00:11:08,000 | 00:11:11,000 | 那對台灣長期經營的MIT的招牌 |
| 00:11:11,000 | 00:11:13,000 | 坦白講如果這個不趕快去修 |
| 00:11:13,000 | 00:11:14,000 | 其實對台灣是不好的 |
| 00:11:14,000 | 00:11:16,000 | 對我們的招牌是不好的嘛 |
| 00:11:16,000 | 00:11:20,000 | 所以有意要支持台灣本地的農產品的民眾 |
| 00:11:20,000 | 00:11:21,000 | 他也是會非常混淆 |
| 00:11:21,000 | 00:11:27,000 | 所以對鮮乳種植的原物料的人民來講 |
| 00:11:27,000 | 00:11:28,000 | 更是不公平 |
| 00:11:28,000 | 00:11:29,000 | 我有去盤點啦 |
| 00:11:29,000 | 00:11:31,000 | 就是諸如澳洲加拿大日本 |
| 00:11:31,000 | 00:11:33,000 | 南韓都有相關的規定 |
| 00:11:33,000 | 00:11:34,000 | 甚至於南韓細緻到 |
| 00:11:34,000 | 00:11:38,000 | 前三大原料都要標明原料國 |
| 00:11:38,000 | 00:11:41,000 | 這個表格部長簡單看一下 |
| 00:11:41,000 | 00:11:42,000 | 四個國家 |
| 00:11:42,000 | 00:11:46,000 | 那本次我們提案的這個版本中 |
| 00:11:46,000 | 00:11:50,000 | 第22條就在享用公民團體支持活動 |
| 00:11:50,000 | 00:11:52,000 | 要求加工食品應標示 |
| 00:11:52,000 | 00:11:55,000 | 其主要食品原料之原產地 |
| 00:11:55,000 | 00:11:58,000 | 所以這次修法中我要請部長 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:11:59,000 | 署長可以支持 |
| 00:11:59,000 | 00:12:01,000 | 也請文匯可以支持 |
| 00:12:01,000 | 00:12:03,000 | 我們一同保護MIT的招牌 |
| 00:12:03,000 | 00:12:05,000 | 在乎我們本土人民 |
| 00:12:05,000 | 00:12:07,000 | 也讓保障消費者執勤的權益 |
| 00:12:07,000 | 00:12:09,000 | 可以吧 |
| 00:12:09,000 | 00:12:12,000 | 坦白講我那天是有跟書長講 |
| 00:12:12,000 | 00:12:16,000 | 這個我覺得我們還是要加快腳步 |
| 00:12:16,000 | 00:12:18,000 | 不一定要等到我們現在 |
| 00:12:18,000 | 00:12:20,000 | 在處理這個修法的方式 |
| 00:12:20,000 | 00:12:22,000 | 這其實現在是可以做 |
| 00:12:22,000 | 00:12:24,000 | 台灣的有機就直接標示了 |
| 00:12:24,000 | 00:12:25,000 | 對 |
| 00:12:25,000 | 00:12:27,000 | 台灣的有機就要直接標示了 |
| 00:12:27,000 | 00:12:30,000 | 用標示的要求 |
| 00:12:30,000 | 00:12:33,000 | 好嗎 |
| 00:12:33,000 | 00:12:35,000 | 時間到了你先檢討一下 |
| 00:12:35,000 | 00:12:38,000 | 我希望是不是能在那個辦法的修訂 |
| 00:12:38,000 | 00:12:39,000 | 下禮拜的公告 |
| 00:12:39,000 | 00:12:42,000 | 連這件事情也一併可以來解決 |
| 00:12:42,000 | 00:12:43,000 | 好 |
| 00:12:43,000 | 00:12:45,000 | 請部長跟署長 |
| 00:12:45,000 | 00:12:47,000 | 謝謝 |