| IVOD_ID |
170843 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170843 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-05T11:22:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-05T11:49:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:27:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d053bb9b075f6aeaf00874d279d149f6cd75ebd3fcd1029c9e152d6567b454d3339739331fca71b35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱慧洳 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:22:22 - 11:49:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：（上午9時起）
邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院食品安全辦公室、教育部、國防部、經濟部、台灣糖業股份有限公司及行政院消費者保護處就「從致癌油事件發展迄今，中央一味『蓋牌、吃案、當門神』有關行政究責之重做完整調查報告(含台糖失職、食安警訊斷鏈責任、團體訴訟求償進度)及未來如何確保安全無虞的國軍團膳、學生營養午餐」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
（下午2時30分起，若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開）
一、審查行政院函請審議「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、繼續審查委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十四條及第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
三、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
四、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第四條條文修正草案」案。
......（完整內容，詳見議事日程）
二十、審查委員許宇甄等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
二十一、審查委員郭國文等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十八條之一條文修正草案」案。
二十二、審查國民黨黨團擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十三、審查委員黃健豪等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十四、審查委員廖偉翔等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。
二十五、審查委員李彥秀等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十六、審查委員羅智強等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十七、審查委員盧縣一等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十八、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十九、審查委員許宇甄等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十、審查委員王育敏等25人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十一、審查委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十二、審查委員林月琴等24人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十三、審查委員林淑芬等21人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十五、審查委員李坤城等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十六、審查委員黃秀芳等21人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十七、審查委員劉建國等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
【逐條討論，不詢答】
【第二十至二十二案，如經復議則不予審查；第一案及第二十三至三十七案，如未經院會交付本會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意） |
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0 |
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8 |
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好 有請主席還有各位委員 各位官員大家好 |
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8 |
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12 |
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有請石崇良部長 有請江思剛署長 |
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12 |
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14 |
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有請江署長 石部長 |
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14 |
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15 |
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好 委員好 |
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21 |
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是 我必須說呢 這個剛陳金輝委員跟王玉明委員在台下質詢的時候 |
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26 |
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我有非常多次我都忍不住了 我都好想插嘴 |
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30 |
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但是我忍到現在 終於換我上台了 |
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35 |
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好 我今天的題目是台長不通報 還誇口他是乖寶寶 |
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35 |
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38 |
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真的是讓人家這個聽不下去 |
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38 |
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41 |
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那前情提要 我先問上次的問題 |
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47 |
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就是上次陳金輝委員問說可不可以公布20%神秘會議專家的名單 |
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51 |
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然後你有提到說你要去詢問專家 願不願意被公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
51 |
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53 |
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請問一下你詢問的結果是怎樣 |
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53 |
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56 |
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我們今天下午會把它公布 |
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56 |
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58 |
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你說公布七位委員的名單 |
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60 |
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七位委員的名單 好 那我們就 |
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60 |
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63 |
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但是請大家不要獵巫 他們都是學友專家 |
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63 |
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68 |
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我們就是論事 怎麼會獵巫 我們又不是輕鳥側翼 怎麼會獵巫呢 |
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73 |
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好 所以神秘的專家你們到時候會公布 那我們就拭目以待 |
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73 |
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75 |
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好 那現在重點來了 講內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
75 |
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80 |
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內容就是說 因為剛陳金輝委員也有修會議紀錄 我有觀察到 |
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80 |
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83 |
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會議紀錄最後的結論就是建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
83 |
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86 |
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建議將專家所提的建議納入考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
86 |
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89 |
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建議業者預防性下架以20%為標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
89 |
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91 |
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可是建議怎麼變強制 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
91 |
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94 |
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7月4號公布的一個新聞就是強制 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
94 |
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98 |
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就是20%以上的下架 20%以下還可以再加上 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
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102 |
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這不就是當時的法律秩序 請問一下誰拍板 |
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102 |
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106 |
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剛陳金輝委員已經有問了 好像是江之港委那個署長拍板 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
106 |
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107 |
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因為你是會議主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
107 |
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110 |
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所以這個20%人家學者只是建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
110 |
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113 |
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那最後又有一個人拍板 變成7月4號的法律秩序 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
113 |
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118 |
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剛好像陳金輝委員問到是江之港署長拍板 我只是在確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
118 |
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121 |
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這個問題太重要了 我只是在確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
121 |
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123 |
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所以江署長是你拍板嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
123 |
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127 |
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所以不是時部長拍板 也不是行政院長拍板嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
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131 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
再跟委員說明 這一次的整個的這個預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
131 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
133 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
是逐步的在擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
133 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
135 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
它是逐步的擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
135 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
139 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
一開始是問題由民就已經下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
139 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
144 |
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7月8號24點才把第二談到三點 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
144 |
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147 |
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不要轉移焦點 不要問A打B |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
147 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
149 |
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因為時間很有限 我後面題目很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
149 |
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153 |
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那請問一下是誰拍板 江之港署長你要不要為自己捍衛一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
153 |
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157 |
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因為剛剛聽起來就是你嘛 你是會議主席 最後是你拍板嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
157 |
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159 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
這個最後都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
159 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
161 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
沒關係你不要護航 我在問江之港 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
161 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
163 |
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我們為福部來處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
163 |
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165 |
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那所以就是時同樣拍板嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
165 |
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167 |
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就是誰 我只是要一個人民而已嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
167 |
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170 |
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那你的意思就是說都是你們為福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
170 |
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172 |
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那就是你加江之港署長兩個人嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
172 |
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174 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
意思就是這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
174 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
180 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
這最後要怎麼樣的擴大 這個預防性下架的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
180 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
186 |
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都是參考了我們專家會議的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
186 |
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188 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
20%拿掉 署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
188 |
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190 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
根據我們調查的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
190 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
194 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
都還認為20%很正確 而會戛然而止 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
194 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
197 |
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只是因為不希望地方他在執行上有困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
197 |
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200 |
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如果你真的覺得這20%這麼的美好 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
200 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
202 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
為什麼到現在問一個人民問不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
202 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
205 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
那這樣子不是讓我們很自益嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
205 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
207 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
我們已經同意了啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
207 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
211 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
就誰拍板嘛 就你跟江之港署長兩個人拍板嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
211 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
214 |
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為什麼問一個 你如果20%沒有申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
214 |
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216 |
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為什麼要迴避要反躲 20%是誰拍板 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
216 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
217 |
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沒有問題啊 沒有問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
217 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
219 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
沒有問題你就講啊 等於是誰 是你嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
219 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
222 |
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時同量拍板20%嘛 就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
222 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
225 |
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好 那奇怪這個答案其實早就可以承認了 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
225 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
227 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
為什麼到今天8月5號才承認 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
227 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
229 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
好 來台湯蓋牌呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
229 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
231 |
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那如果我想台湯的事情我們都非常了解 |
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231 |
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234 |
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如果不是台中的地方法院吹哨的話 |
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234 |
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236 |
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我想我們全民現在還蒙在鼓裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
236 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
239 |
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那剛我也講了 南橋沒有通報被開罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
239 |
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242 |
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台湯沒有通報就被開脫 |
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242 |
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很明顯的就是雙標嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
244 |
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248 |
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那現在署長你的意思就是大家去追究台湯你不了解這個邏輯 |
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248 |
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250 |
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那我們才不了解你的邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
250 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
254 |
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因為邏輯很簡單啊 邏輯就是食安法第七條第五項啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
254 |
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257 |
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如果發現產品有危害安全衛生之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
257 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
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那就應該要通報當地的主管縣市啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
260 |
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262 |
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所以邏輯很簡單啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
262 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
264 |
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第七條第五項法有明文規定啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
264 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
267 |
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產品有危害衛生安全之虞就要通報啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
267 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
269 |
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請問哪裡不了解這個邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
269 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
271 |
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我的邏輯很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
271 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
276 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
我們訂的這個扁平坪的標準是食用油脂 |
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276 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
278 |
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這個是脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
278 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
281 |
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我們沒有訂脫膠原油的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
281 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
284 |
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好 那時部長我要跟你講一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
284 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
286 |
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不是法律專家就不要亂解釋法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
286 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
289 |
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不是法律專家不懂法律就請長佐 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
289 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
292 |
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什麼叫做脫膠原油不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
292 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
295 |
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食安法哪一條告訴我們脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
295 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
298 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
拌成品不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
298 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
302 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
食安法哪一條告訴我們脫膠原油這個拌成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
302 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
303 |
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不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
303 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
306 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
脫膠原油沒有訂標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
306 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
308 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
BAP的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
308 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
312 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
不是啊 人家現在就是說產品有危害之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
312 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
315 |
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不是食用油脂所以它就沒有標準啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
315 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
317 |
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沒有標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
317 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
319 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
如果要訂也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
319 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
321 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
我們大家來討論要訂多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
321 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
324 |
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主長我問你一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
324 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
326 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
你是不是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
326 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
328 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
你是人嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
328 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
330 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
那生你的阿公的阿公 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
330 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
332 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
你來自於阿公的阿公 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
332 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
334 |
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今天才有你存在站在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
334 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
你是人嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
337 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
那你阿公的阿公是不是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
337 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
341 |
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你下游這個人的產品是從上游來的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
344 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
你的阿公是不是人你回答不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
344 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
347 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
你的阿公是不是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
347 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
349 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
我是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
349 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
351 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
對你阿公是不是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
351 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
353 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
我的細胞不能說細胞就是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
353 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
355 |
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不是啦我在問你阿公是不是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
355 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
357 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
你就是從阿公來的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
357 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
人是由細胞 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
361 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
然後組成器官 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
361 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
你阿公是不是人你不可以回答回避到這種程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
367 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
你就回答阿公是不是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
367 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
369 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
你再回答我 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
369 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
371 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
再打連我的邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
371 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
373 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
問你你的阿公是不是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
373 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
375 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
我不瞭解你的邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
375 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
377 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
你不瞭解我的邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
377 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
你現在就是護航到連你阿公是不是人你都沒有辦法回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
那我問部長的邏輯就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
如果今天我沒有要批評你的阿公是因為你不回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
我現在要問你你的村友是不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
如果你今天是大佛沙拉有食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
為什麼來自於他們上游半產品不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
398 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
我現在問你一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
398 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
食安法看不懂食安法請長佐 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
403 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
食安法對於食品的定義是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
403 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
406 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
來講一下食品的定義是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
406 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
408 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
產品跟原料嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
408 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
那為什麼剛有一個人講說原料不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
因為考量成本所以食安法才把原料歸進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
原料不是食品這是誰的論述剛有一個人的論述 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
曾經會委員問的 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
原料不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
請問一下部長你覺得原料是食品嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
在食安法第三條明定食品當然包含產品及其原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
如果原料是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
第七條的通報你也可以念一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
440 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
它談的是產品通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
440 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
如果原料是食品原料最後會變成成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
中間會有經過半產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
那請問一下如果原料都已經是食品了 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
食品業者於發現產品有危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
所以它針對的通報是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
460 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
你為什麼覺得產品兩個字沒有包括成品跟半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
460 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
為什麼你覺得產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
462 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
來我們看一下食安法第七條第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
食品業者應該把產品原材料半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
471 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
是食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
471 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
你不要風拉西扯 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
我現在是在跟你講產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
來我請江志剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
江志剛署長我知道你有法律背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
請問一下產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
食安法第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
我們再講如果產品有危害衛生健康之虞要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
請問產品兩個字有包括成品跟半成品嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
我想這邊的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
你有讀過法律請你不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
相對應我們其實對於規制裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
有訂標準的這些產品有違規 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
不要先說解釋到這種程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
我們現在單純就在講產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
跟你做進一步的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
我說就我的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
我們對於這個產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
它有訂定的特定是衛生標準的扁平皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
所以這個產品有違規一定要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
所以我違規要產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
我把之虞林淑芬委員在一個月之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
就已經之虞兩個字一再而再的提醒衛福部了 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
之虞就是沒有嚴格標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
懂不懂法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
現在是連文藝解釋也掌握不了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
來第一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
為什麼我現在簡單的問 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
541 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
為什麼食安法第七條第五項產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
541 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
被你們解釋起來不包括成品跟半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
如果你的第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
有提到說產品原材料半成品成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
就代表ABC這項元素 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
就是在食安食品的範圍之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
559 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
為什麼成品兩個字被你們解釋起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
559 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
沒有成品跟半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
委員如果要把它做最大擴大的解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
也不是不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
但是它的基本要件是要定有標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
人家已經之虞了 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
請問之虞會有標準嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
之虞你看不懂法律嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
之虞會有標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
你現在為了要護老 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
你忙到這種程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
來我先跟你 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
這是因為法律專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
所以聽不下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
587 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
我在下面就是聽得很痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
587 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
我講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
所有的法律都有切記 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
你要講法律是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
592 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
你們的30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
592 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
你們的31條 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
你們的32條一錄以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
你們都把食品跟產品兩個字混用 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
600 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
回去看食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
600 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
不要在這邊一拗產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
其實它就包括成品跟半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
你們不要再不了解文藝解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
縱使不了解文藝解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
613 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
也應該掌握目的性的解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
613 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
如果最上游的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
都被認為是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
中間會經過半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
最後會變成成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
為什麼中間那一個不叫食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
你們不要昧著良心說話 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
這個完全是聽不下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
完全對不起整部食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
你們把整部食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
解釋的支離破碎 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
原料的歸原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
半成品的歸半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
成品的歸成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
你們把整部食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
解釋的支離破碎 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
就只是為了護航 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
640 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
這些解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
請您去看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
644 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
請你去問法律專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
644 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
646 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
因為其實真的有法律專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
646 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
648 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
已經打聯你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
648 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
高檢署的主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
他已經打聯你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
652 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
人家是讀法律的 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
652 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
654 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
你不是讀法律的 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
654 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
你也許是衛生福利事項的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
但是你不是解釋法律的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
我們解釋法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
661 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
有文藝解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
661 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
有目的性解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
我們有體系解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
不管用哪一種標準解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
667 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
解釋進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
667 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
我再說一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
671 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
就是包括成品跟半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
671 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
我再說一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
產品兩個字就是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
我再說一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
676 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
從食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
676 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
678 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
從第一條看到最後一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
678 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
產品跟食品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
682 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
完全是混用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
682 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
經得起考驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
大家自己去翻食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
請問一下經濟部的爛菜說 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
部長認同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
你如果去買菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
695 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
結果那個阿姨跟你講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
696 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
697 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
你買到這個爛菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
697 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
699 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
請問你做何感想 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
700 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
請問你買的 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
702 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
部長你買到這個爛菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
702 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
請問你做何感想 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
我再問石崇良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
707 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
請問你買到這個爛菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
710 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
你做何感想 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
710 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
這個照片有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
沒有關係啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
就AI啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
名字是你啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
沒有經過我同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
沒有經過你同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
722 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
我對這個行業我很抗議 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
722 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
你很抗議 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
抗議什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
725 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
請問你抗議什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
725 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
沒有我同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
怎麼會有我的肖像呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
728 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
肖像完全是 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
728 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
所以你要怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
你可以主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
732 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
當然可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
732 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
把它換成是委員的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
可以啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
你換啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
這沒有什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
這本來就是可說公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
我尊重委員的肖像權 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
如果真的覺得你不舒服 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
或者是如果你覺得我有違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
那就請你去提告 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
746 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
非常不舒服 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
746 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
748 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
那我很遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
748 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
750 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
我很遺憾我在質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
750 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
站在立法委員的職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
752 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
然後你不舒服 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
752 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
753 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
我很遺憾啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
753 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
那如果你要我道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
756 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
沒問題可以跟你道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
756 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
758 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
這根本是芝麻綠豆大的小事 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
758 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
沒有必要拿來質詢台下議方 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
760 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
761 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
第一 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
761 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
763 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
這個不是芝麻綠豆大的小事 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
763 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
好沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
如果你不舒服 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
766 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
我就道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
766 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
767 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
那我現在就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
767 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
如果今天你去買到一個爛菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
請問一下你做何感想 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
770 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
我當然不會想要買爛菜啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
對啊你當然不會想買爛菜啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
776 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
那爛菜為什麼會流通到市面 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
776 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
因為政府沒有介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
778 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
政府沒有管制啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
778 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
780 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
所以爛菜才出現在拆攤商啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
780 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
782 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
你當然不會想到買爛菜啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
782 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
784 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
如果不通報全民受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
784 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
連你部長也會被包獲進去啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
788 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
部長我問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
788 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
請問你真的吃到毒油 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
你沒有關係嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
我們會油品做安全的保管 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
795 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
我們會有出油啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
795 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
我告訴你這些油已經全部都流到 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
每個人的肚子裡面去 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
連代總統都吃到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
你真的吃到毒油也沒關係嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
好那我現在再問你一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
806 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
請問一下通報只能靠法律嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
806 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
我完全全認為食安法第七號第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
就是包括成品辦成品還有原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
那你不認為好 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
退步言之如果通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
不能靠法律的話能不能靠良心 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
818 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
能不能用高標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
818 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
820 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
法律只是一個最低的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
820 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
良心是一個比較高的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
825 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
難道我們對經濟品求財 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
825 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
827 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
我們希望大家一起把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
827 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
829 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
我們用的是最低的標準嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
829 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
831 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
我們不能用高一點的標準嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
831 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
832 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
我們都支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
832 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
834 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
為了食安把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
834 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
835 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
全民來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
835 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
837 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
我們都支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
837 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
838 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
我們也鼓勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
838 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
841 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
但是面對要裁罰的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
841 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
843 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
我們必須依法裁處 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
843 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
845 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
那依法裁處就是已經告訴你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
845 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
847 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
法律保有原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
847 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
849 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
你們可能要請法律專家來幫你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
849 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
851 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
鑑定第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
851 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
852 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
有沒有包括產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
852 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
854 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
我相信你去問十個法律專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
854 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
856 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
有十個法律專家都會告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
856 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
859 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
產品絕對有包括成品跟半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
859 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
862 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
所以請你今天去找法律專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
862 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
863 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
跟他們諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
863 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
866 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
好來那接著我們來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
866 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
868 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
通報義務要不要問總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
868 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
870 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
總統在當台南市長的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
870 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
873 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
他有訂出這個台南市食品安全管理自治條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
873 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
876 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
他有提到說食品有危害生命身體之慾 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
876 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
878 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
但四十八小時就要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
878 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
880 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
那請問一下石崇良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
880 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
883 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
你認同這個賴清德總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
883 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
在他市長任內所通過的這個自治條例嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
889 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
我認同依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
889 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
890 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
你認同依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
890 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
893 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
但是你今天認為台糖不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
893 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
895 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
你就完全是打臉總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
895 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
897 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
他在市長時期所訂出來的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
897 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
899 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
因為我們大家解讀就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
899 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
900 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
那我想呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
900 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
902 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
我們需要依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
902 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
905 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
衛福部一路開綠燈開到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
905 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
908 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
請問一下台糖的依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
908 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
909 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
那依法行政很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
909 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
911 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
其實法律保有原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
911 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
912 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
912 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
913 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
法律保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
913 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
916 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
我們訂的就是食用油脂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
916 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
919 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
產品有疑慮的通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
919 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
921 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
已經保留給法律去制定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
921 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
923 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
就是食含法七條第五條 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
923 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
925 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
他本身已經踐行法律保留原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
925 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
928 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
只是執法的人不認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
928 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
931 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
法律裡頭的文藝有包括半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
931 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
933 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
所以你說你要依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
933 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
934 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
我舉雙手 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
934 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
936 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
不要擴大文藝都沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
936 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
937 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
但是我還是強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
937 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
938 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
我沒有擴大文藝 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
938 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
940 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
你沒有擴大文藝 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
940 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
942 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
這個就做法律的違規 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
942 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
945 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
不是訂在脫交原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
945 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
947 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
蛤 你再說一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
947 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
949 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
我們的貶貧比標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
949 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
是訂在食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
954 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
不是脫交原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
954 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
956 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
如果這樣下去的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
956 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
958 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
可能還要很久都沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
958 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
960 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
你剛開始在跟我 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
960 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
962 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
你今天的脫交原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
962 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
964 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
最初的是2.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
964 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
966 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
等我已經把聯名打到聯行總 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
966 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
967 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
你講不下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
967 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
969 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
你已經放棄護守產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
969 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
972 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
你現在在給我護守脂肪兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
972 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
973 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
說這個是嚴格的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
973 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
976 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
什麼貶貧比的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
976 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
978 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
脂肪兩個字有嚴格的標準嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
978 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
981 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
到底看不看得懂法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
982 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
983 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
所以現在到底沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
983 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
985 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
是出在產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
985 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
986 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
還是出在脂肪兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
986 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
987 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
987 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
990 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
要裁罰我們一定要依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
990 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
991 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
那我們的依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
991 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
995 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
貶貧比是訂在食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
995 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
997 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
第一區條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
997 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
1001 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
如果今天貶貧比是0-1 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
1001 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
1003 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
大家就是沒有嚴格標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
1003 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
1006 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
但是我們訂的是食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
1006 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
1009 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
你要不要再問他對脂肪兩個字的勾結 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
1009 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
1011 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
請問一下衛福部什麼時候知情的 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
1011 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
1013 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
台糖的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
1013 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
1014 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
我們是兩天前知情的 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
1014 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
1016 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
那衛福部什麼時候知情的 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
1019 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
1022 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
我們是專家進入我們署內的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
1022 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
1024 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
進去調查原因的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
1024 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
1026 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
看到的報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
1026 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
1028 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
有看到是7月15號 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
1028 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
1030 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
所以你們7月15號才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
1030 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
1032 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
台糖這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
1032 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
1034 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
所以你們7月15號才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
1034 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
1035 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
台糖這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
1035 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
1037 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
來經濟部有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
1037 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
1038 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
請問一下你們什麼時候知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
1038 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
1040 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
這個台糖事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
1049 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
1050 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
1050 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
1051 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
在7月9號 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
1051 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
1054 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
那高雄市政府採訪預防性下架的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
1054 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
1056 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
我們就積極的去了解說 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
1056 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
1058 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
台糖的所有的產品裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
1058 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
1061 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
有沒有危害食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
1061 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
1063 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
所以你是7月9號才知道的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
1063 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
1065 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
所以你是7月9號才知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
1065 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
1067 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
台糖公司有把這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
1067 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
1069 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
那時候火燒那麼大 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
1069 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
1071 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
你有沒有跟行政院長報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
1071 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
1073 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
不是 因為這個台糖的 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
1073 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
1074 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
我們去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
1074 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
1077 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
台糖的所有的產品跟原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
1077 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
1080 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
都是合乎食安法的規定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
1080 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
1081 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
1081 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
1082 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
1082 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
1084 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
台糖所採購的 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
1084 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
1086 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
所有的出交原有的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
1086 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
1087 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
不允收的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
1087 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
1090 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
始終是在台中的中聯廠裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
1090 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
1093 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
並沒有到台糖的生產的供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
1093 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
1094 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
那我現在問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
1094 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
1096 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
而台中地方法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
1096 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
1097 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
好 沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
1097 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
1099 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
它在新聞稿裡面提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
1099 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
1101 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
中聯跟國貿它有通報不確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
1101 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
1102 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
你說它退回給中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
1102 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
1105 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
那中聯請問誰要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
1105 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
1106 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
許甫主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
1106 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
1107 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
我剛剛是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
1107 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
1109 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
地方法院的新聞稿講得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
1109 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
1110 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
是誰要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
1110 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
1111 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
就是要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
1111 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
1112 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
誰要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
1112 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
1113 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
1113 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
1114 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
好 那我請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
1114 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
1115 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
許甫誰要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
1115 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
1117 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
許甫主任誰要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
1117 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
1120 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
這個貨物的主人是中聯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
1120 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
1123 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
所以是誰要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
1123 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
1125 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
好 那這個只是脫交原有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
1125 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
1128 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
所以你們都覺得中聯要通報嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
1128 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
1129 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
1129 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
1131 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
如果你們覺得中聯要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
1131 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
1134 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
請問法律依據在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
1134 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
1136 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
因為它只是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
1136 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
1137 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
它只是脫交原有 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
1137 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
1139 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
請問要通報的依據是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
1139 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
1141 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
是七條第五項嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
1141 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
1143 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
你們不是認為七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
1143 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
1146 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
不能夠作為脫交原有的通報依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
1146 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
1148 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
如果台壇不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
1148 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
1150 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
到了中聯就要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
1150 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
1152 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
而中聯用的法條就是七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
1152 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
1154 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
台壇因為七條第五項不能用 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
1154 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
1156 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
到了中聯就可以用 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
1156 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
1158 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
請問通報的法源依據在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
1158 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
1160 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
好 我向委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
1160 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
1163 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
同樣在十七條是衛生標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
1163 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
1165 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
我剛剛有跟部門委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
1166 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
1169 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
生菌素所有生的肉跟魚都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
1169 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
1172 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
有危害安全值與之於兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
1172 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
1174 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
這是非常寬鬆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
1174 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
1176 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
不要再跟我講嚴格的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
1176 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
1178 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
本篇的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
1178 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
1180 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
就所有的 你要看樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
1180 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
1182 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
看原料屬於哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
1182 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
1184 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
樣態就是台壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
1184 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
1186 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
台壇的樣態就是不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
1186 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
1188 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
樣態就是中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
1188 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
1189 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
中聯就是要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
1189 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
1191 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
這就是你們的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
1191 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
1193 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
好 所以你們的抗片已經從產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
1193 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
1196 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
現在已經發展到之於兩個字了 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
1196 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
1198 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
那請問一下行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
1198 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
1200 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
為什麼在專案報告的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
1200 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
1202 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
舉個例子就很容易理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
1202 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
1205 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
我們吃的豬排它含有生菌 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
1205 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
1208 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
所以生菌要不要來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
1208 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
1210 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
不用 因為它最終的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
1210 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
1212 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
是做成炸豬排 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
1212 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
1214 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
它會把生菌消除掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
1214 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
1216 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
生菌是什麼 細菌啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
1216 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
1218 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
肉裡面有細菌啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
1218 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
1220 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
那個是添加的細菌 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
1220 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
1222 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
你不要在那邊跟我胡扯 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
1222 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
1224 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
你跟我胡扯 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
1224 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
1226 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
跟我的胡扯你的阿公 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
1226 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
1228 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
在你的耳裡聽起來很怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
1228 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
1230 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
你在便利超商裡面的這些成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
1230 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
1232 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
都是非常自殺過來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
1232 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
1234 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
我現在講的是半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
1234 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
1236 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
是屬於食品的一環 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
1236 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
1238 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
你不要跟我扯東扯西 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
1238 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
1240 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
因為我覺得你的邏輯我才不懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
1240 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
1242 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
你的邏輯我才不懂得一塌糊塗好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
1242 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
1244 |
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來 行政院長請問一下 |
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1244 |
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1246 |
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他在食安匯報 |
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1246 |
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1248 |
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怎麼沒有提到台壇這件事 |
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1248 |
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1250 |
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你們有跟他報告嗎 |
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1252 |
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你一個說7月9號知情 |
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一個說7月15號知情 |
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請問一下院長 |
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你們完全都沒有跟行政院長報告過這件事嗎 |
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1258 |
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1264 |
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我們院大概就是署長所提到的 |
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所以 反正現在大概是9號 |
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然後15號進場去看到 |
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我知道啦 |
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1272 |
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但你們請問一下衛福部這邊 |
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1274 |
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有沒有跟行政院長報告 |
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1276 |
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時部長你有沒有跟行政院長報告這件事 |
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1278 |
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台壇的是經濟部所屬的 |
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1280 |
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台壇國營事業 |
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1280 |
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1282 |
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這個都是在7月1號 |
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1284 |
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不是啦 你就說有跟沒有就好了 |
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1286 |
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把他停工 |
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1286 |
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1288 |
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我後面還沒推診 |
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1288 |
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1292 |
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這個已經在7月1號以後都已經停工了 |
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1294 |
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所以這個脫交緣由 |
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1294 |
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1296 |
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你有沒有跟行政院長報告這件事 |
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1296 |
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1298 |
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你先回答再來經濟部回答 |
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你有沒有跟行政院長報告這件事 |
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7月15號知道 |
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1304 |
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有沒有跟行政院長報告這件事 |
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1306 |
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所以行政院長跟我們一樣 |
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1308 |
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我們最後一定會報告的嘛 |
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1308 |
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1310 |
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要什麼時候報告 |
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1310 |
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1312 |
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日期有那麼難以啟齒嗎 |
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1312 |
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1314 |
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日期我要確認 |
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1314 |
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1316 |
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你要確認 |
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1316 |
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1318 |
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因為我經常在跟院長報告很多事情 |
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1318 |
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1320 |
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那你什麼時候能夠跟我們確認 |
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1320 |
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1322 |
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我要看看我能不能想得起來 |
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1322 |
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1324 |
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好 |
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1324 |
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1326 |
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所以你就這麼不把 |
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1326 |
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1328 |
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你跟行政院長的會面上心 |
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1328 |
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1330 |
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居然還要看你想不想得起來 |
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1330 |
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1332 |
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不能夠因為他沒有關心你 |
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1332 |
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1334 |
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眼睛中的血絲 |
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1334 |
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1336 |
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你就這樣子忽略院長 |
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1336 |
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1338 |
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我們有報告 |
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1338 |
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1340 |
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有報告什麼時候你要講不出來 |
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1340 |
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1342 |
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反正你就是講不出來 |
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1342 |
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1344 |
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我都你要想 |
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1344 |
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1346 |
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但你又說你有可能想不起來 |
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1346 |
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1348 |
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我想說長官跟長官見面 |
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1348 |
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1350 |
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我們都很珍惜這樣的機會 |
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1350 |
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1352 |
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結果你居然想不起來 |
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1352 |
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1354 |
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經濟部長什麼時候跟行政院長報告的 |
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1354 |
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1356 |
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7月9號我們接獲 |
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1356 |
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1358 |
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台南公司通報 |
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1358 |
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1360 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
他被高雄市政府 |
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1360 |
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1362 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
預防性下架之後 |
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1362 |
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1364 |
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我們的國運司就請 |
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1364 |
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1366 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
台南公司必須要配合 |
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1366 |
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1368 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
地方主管機關 |
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1368 |
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1370 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
跟行政院長不要講那麼多 |
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1370 |
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1372 |
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因為我快要收尾了好不好 |
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1372 |
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1374 |
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我也不想讓後面的人等很久 |
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1374 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
1376 |
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我跟委員講的就是事實 |
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1376 |
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1378 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
什麼時候跟行政院長 |
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1378 |
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1380 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
因為我還沒聽到行政院長這四個關鍵字 |
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1380 |
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1382 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
什麼時候跟行政院長報告的 |
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1382 |
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1384 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
因為台南公司依照他契約所辦理的 |
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1384 |
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1386 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
一個事項他平常都不需要 |
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1386 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
1388 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
跟經濟部來做報告 |
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1388 |
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1390 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
不是啦你知情之後 |
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1390 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
1392 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
跟行政院長報告這件事 |
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1392 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
1394 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
有還是沒有 |
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1394 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
1396 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
所以你們沒有跟行政院長報告嗎 |
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1396 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
1398 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
不像石部長 |
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1398 |
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1400 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
沒有跟行政院長報告嗎 |
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1400 |
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1402 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
沒有嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
1404 |
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所以行政院長只是石同良 |
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1404 |
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1406 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
部長去報告的 |
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1408 |
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而已嗎是這樣嗎 |
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1408 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
1410 |
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你們沒有跟行政院長報告 |
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1410 |
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1412 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
台南公司會配合他這個 |
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1412 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
1414 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
專案跟地方的這個專案的清查 |
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1414 |
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1416 |
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的一個作業 |
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1416 |
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1418 |
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不是你們到底有沒有跟行政院長報告 |
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1418 |
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1420 |
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結果當然是我們中央主管機關 |
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1420 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
1422 |
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或是地方主管機關都會知道 |
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1422 |
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1424 |
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不是啦 |
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1424 |
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1426 |
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我不是中央主管機關 |
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1426 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
1428 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
我在問行政院長他也是中央主管機關 |
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1428 |
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1430 |
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我在問院長知不知道這件事 |
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1430 |
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1432 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
你們經濟部有沒有跟他 |
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1432 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
1434 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
報告畢竟台糖是國營 |
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1434 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
1436 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
1436 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
1438 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
你們有沒有跟院長報告嗎 |
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1438 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
1440 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
這麼難回答嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
1440 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
1442 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
跟委員說明台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
1442 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
1444 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
他的生產的這個產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
1444 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
1446 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
譬如說大豆沙 |
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1446 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
1448 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
你們有沒有跟行政院長報告 |
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1448 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
1450 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
你們有沒有跟行政院長報告 |
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1450 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
1452 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
這個就是台糖公司的責任 |
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1452 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
1454 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
那所以你們沒有跟行政院長報告嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
1454 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
1456 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
是嗎你們沒有跟行政院長報告 |
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1456 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
1458 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
是嗎是嗎 |
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1458 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
1460 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
沒有報告嗎 |
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1460 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
1462 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
就是沒有報告是嗎 |
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1462 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
1464 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
聽起來就是沒有報告是嗎 |
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1464 |
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1466 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
這個在我 |
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1466 |
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1468 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
我知道的部分我也沒有 |
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1468 |
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1470 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
參加過院長的會議 |
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1470 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
1472 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
你就講經濟部沒有報告 |
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1472 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
1474 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
就好啦不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
1474 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
1476 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
那經濟部沒有報告嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
1476 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
1478 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
是這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
1478 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
1480 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
請問一下 |
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1480 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
1482 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
部長我請問一下 |
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1482 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
1484 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
這一批毒藥1300公噸4月出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
1484 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
1486 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
5月驗出7月出財封存 |
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1486 |
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1488 |
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請問一下你們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
1488 |
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1490 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
7月17公布這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
1490 |
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1492 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
4月到6月中聯所 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
1492 |
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1494 |
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流出的這些有請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
1494 |
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1496 |
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有公布批號嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
1496 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
1498 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
你們公布了30個批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
1498 |
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1500 |
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在哪個批號之內 |
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1500 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
1502 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
他沒有做成實用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
1502 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
1504 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
出貨啊不是出貨嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
1504 |
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1506 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
他沒有出貨啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
1506 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
1508 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
他沒有出貨啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
1508 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
1510 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
他就在中聯裡面沒有出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
1510 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
1512 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
他還在草裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
1512 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
1514 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
今天都還沒有做啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
1514 |
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1516 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
所以他沒有批號啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
1516 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
1518 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
所以今天台糖是去他的油槽取樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
1518 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
1520 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
他去油槽裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
1520 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
1522 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
把他封了之後取樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
1522 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
1524 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
然後驗了之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
1524 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
1526 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
他超出他的這個驗收標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
1526 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
1528 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
他就不驗收了 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
1528 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
1530 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
但是台糖扎扎實實 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
1530 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
1532 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
有掌握14.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
1532 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
1534 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
這個數字嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
1534 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
1536 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
那食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
1536 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
1538 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
如果對於半成品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
1538 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
1540 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
這個安全疑慮之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
1540 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
1542 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
他就要通報當地的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
1542 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
1544 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
顯然台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
1544 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
1546 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
他就是沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
1546 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
1548 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
或雖然沒有到他這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
1548 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
1550 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
但是他已經知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
1550 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
1552 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
通報的義務是他有沒有超出我們的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
1552 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
1554 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
阿法條就是有之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
1554 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
1556 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
奇怪你為什麼要超越法律呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
1556 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
1558 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
你比大法官還厲害耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
1558 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
1560 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
你不只解釋法律你還超越法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
1560 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
1562 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
食品安全衛生法第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
1562 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
1564 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
已經說有危害健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
1564 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
1566 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
有危害衛生有危害安全之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
1566 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
1568 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
至於兩個字有那麼難 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
1568 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
1570 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
讀懂嗎還我最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
1570 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
1572 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
你在一個炸豬排的工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
1572 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
1574 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
看到有塊生肉 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
1574 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
1576 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
他有細緻理論不要去通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
1576 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
1578 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
豬排根本完全不能夠類比 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
1578 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
1580 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
如果你覺得你的阿東 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
1580 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
1582 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
在這邊不適合被請出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
1582 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
1584 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
你的豬排也不適合在這邊請出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
1584 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
1586 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
那我現在跟這個部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
1586 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
1588 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
講一句人民怒吼 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
1588 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
1590 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
這是725的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
1590 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
1592 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
如果你們繼續荒腔走板 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
1592 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
1594 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
可能不是人民怒吼 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
1594 |
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1596 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
我覺得可能就是人民暴動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
1596 |
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1598 |
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那部長我還是要跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
1598 |
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1600 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
我最後要做一個總結 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
1600 |
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1602 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
他們一直說七條第五項的產品 |
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1602 |
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1604 |
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不包括半成品 |
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1604 |
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1606 |
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所以半成品不是實用 |
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1606 |
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1608 |
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所以不需要根據第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
1608 |
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1610 |
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來這個通報 |
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1610 |
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1612 |
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那現在呢 |
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1612 |
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1614 |
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其實不管是從文藝解釋目的性解釋 |
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1614 |
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1616 |
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體系解釋 |
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1616 |
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1618 |
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你們自己去看食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
1618 |
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1620 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
食安法產品跟食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
1620 |
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1622 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
兩個字是完全混用的 |
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1622 |
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1624 |
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那所以呢請不要再拿 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
1624 |
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1626 |
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七條第五項的產品 |
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1626 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
1628 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
不包括半成品來做擋箭牌 |
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1628 |
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1630 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
擋不住之後請不要從 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
1630 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
1632 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
至於兩個字上下提手 |
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1632 |
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1634 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
至於兩個字代表的 |
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1634 |
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1636 |
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就是不用嚴格的標準 |
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1636 |
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1638 |
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所以不要在那邊提什麼本扁皮怎樣 |
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1638 |
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1640 |
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本扁皮怎樣 |
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1640 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
1642 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
請不要用這個當擋箭牌 |
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1642 |
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1644 |
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謝謝 |
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邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-08-05T11:22:23.333333+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:22:29.555556+08:00 |
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主席、各位委員、各位官員，大家好。 |
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邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-08-05T11:22:30+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:22:33.714286+08:00 |
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有請石崇良部長、姜至剛署長。 |
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主席 |
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2026-08-05T11:22:34+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:22:35.750000+08:00 |
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有請姜署長、石部長。 |
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石部長崇良 |
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2026-08-05T11:22:36.250000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-08-05T11:22:37.214286+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:22:51.714286+08:00 |
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我必須說剛剛陳菁徽委員跟王育敏委員在臺下質詢的時候，我有非常多次都忍不住了，我都好想插嘴，但是我忍到現在，終於換我上臺了。 |
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邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-08-05T11:22:52.238095+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:22:59.750000+08:00 |
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我今天的題目是台糖不通報，還誇口他是乖寶寶，真的是讓人家聽不下去。 |
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邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-08-05T11:23:00.230769+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:23:14.846154+08:00 |
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前情提要，我先問上次的問題，就是上次陳菁徽委員問可不可以公布20％神秘會議的專家名單，然後您有提到要去詢問專家願不願意被公布，請問一下你詢問的結果是怎樣？ |
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石部長崇良 |
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2026-08-05T11:23:15+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-08-05T11:23:17.727273+08:00 |
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我們今天下午會公布。 |
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邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-08-05T11:23:18+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-08-05T11:23:19.818182+08:00 |
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你是說公布7位委員的名單？對。 |
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0.833 |
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邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-08-05T11:23:20.166667+08:00 |
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好，7位委員的名單，我們就…… |
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0.9 |
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石部長崇良 |
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2026-08-05T11:23:22+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-08-05T11:23:24.823529+08:00 |
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但是請大家不要獵巫，他們都是學有專精的專家…… |
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0.8 |
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邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-08-05T11:23:25+08:00 |
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2026-08-05T11:23:29.807692+08:00 |
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我們就是就事論事，怎麼會獵巫，我們又不是青鳥側翼，怎麼會獵巫呢？ |
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邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-08-05T11:23:30+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-08-05T11:23:34.791667+08:00 |
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好，所以神秘的專家，你們到時候會公布，我們就拭目以待。 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-08-05T11:23:35.363636+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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2026-08-05T11:23:52.777778+08:00 |
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現在重點來了，我們講內容，內容就是因為剛剛陳菁徽委員也有秀會議紀錄，我有觀察到，會議紀錄最後的結論就是建議，建議將專家所提的建議納入考量，建議業者預防性下架以20％為標準，可是建議怎麼變強制？ |
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邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-08-05T11:23:53+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-08-05T11:24:03.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
7月4號公布的新聞就是強制，不就是20％以上的下架，20％以下還可以在架上，這不就是當時的法律秩序，請問一下誰拍板？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.894 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-08-05T11:24:04+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-08-05T11:24:08.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
剛剛陳菁徽委員已經有問了，好像是姜至剛署長拍板的嘛，因為你是會議主席嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-08-05T11:24:09+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-08-05T11:24:19.791667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
所以這個20％，學者只是建議，最後要有一個人拍板變成7月4號的法律秩序，剛剛好像陳菁徽委員有問到是姜至剛署長拍板，我只是在確認。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.836 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-08-05T11:24:20+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-08-05T11:24:28.578947+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
這個問題太重要了，我只是在確認，所以姜署長，是你拍板嘛，不是石部長拍板，也不是行政院長拍板嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-08-05T11:24:29+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-08-05T11:24:40.692308+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
再跟委員說明，這一次整個的預防性下架是逐步的在擴大，它的範圍是逐步的擴大，一開始是問題油品就已經下架…… |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.894 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-08-05T11:24:40.692308+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-08-05T11:24:41.692308+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
不用講那些，我都知道了。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-08-05T11:24:41+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-08-05T11:24:43.727273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
7月8號24點才把第二層的產品…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-08-05T11:24:43.727273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-08-05T11:24:46+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
油品的部分已經下架，後面都是都是屬於預防性的擴大…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-08-05T11:24:46+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-08-05T11:24:50.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
不要轉移焦點，不要問A答B，因為時間很有限，我後面題目很多。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-08-05T11:24:51.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-08-05T11:24:52.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
請問一下是誰拍板？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-08-05T11:24:52.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-08-05T11:24:58.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
姜至剛署長，你要不要為自己捍衛一下，因為剛剛聽起來就是你嘛，你是會議主席，最後是你拍板嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-08-05T11:24:59+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:00.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
這個最後都是…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:01+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:02.428571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
沒關係，你不要護航，我在問姜至剛…… |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:03+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:04.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
這個都是我們衛福部來處理的，這個都是逐步逐步…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.381 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:05.181818+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:06.636364+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
所以就是石崇良拍板嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:07+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:15.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
我就是要一個人名而已嘛，你的意思就是說都是你們衛福部，那就是你加上姜至剛署長兩個人嘛，意思就是這樣嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.83 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:15.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:16.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
還是你還要再去…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:16+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:22.428571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
這個最後要怎麼樣擴大預防性的下架，都是參考了…… |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:22.428571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:23.428571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
不是，這個20％，你們到現在不是都還認為很正確…… |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:22.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:27.571429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
參考了我們專家會議的建議，然後…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:27.571429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:30+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
……你會把20％拿掉，署長，你們不是到現在都還認為20％很正確…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.174 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:30+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:31.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
再根據我們調查的結果，然後去制定決策啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:34.285714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:46.769231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
而會戛然而止，只是因為不希望地方他在執行上有困難，如果你真的覺得這20％這麼的美好，為什麼到現在問一個人名問不出來，這樣子不是讓我們很質疑嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:47+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:48.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
不會，我們已經同意了啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:48.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:49.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
我們下午就把會議紀錄…… |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:49.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:50.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
不是，就是誰拍板嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:49.210526+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:49.842105+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
就是誰拍板嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:50.052632+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:52.789474+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
就你跟姜至剛署長兩個人拍板嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:52.789474+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:53.789474+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
我之前就已經回答過了，所以這個我負責啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:53+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:57.142857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
為什麼問一個……你如果認為20％都正確沒有問題，為什麼要迴避、要閃躲？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.679 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:57.428571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:57.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
20％是誰拍板？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:58+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:58.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
沒有問題啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:58.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-08-05T11:25:58.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
沒問題啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-08-05T11:25:59+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-08-05T11:26:00.466667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
沒有問題，你就講啊，到底是誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-08-05T11:26:00.466667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-08-05T11:26:01.466667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
就是我啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-08-05T11:26:00.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-08-05T11:26:00.866667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
是你嘛！是。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-08-05T11:26:01.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-08-05T11:26:04+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
石崇良拍板20％嘛，就是這樣子喔？是。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-08-05T11:26:04.352941+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-08-05T11:26:08.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
奇怪，這個答案其實早就可以承認了，為什麼到今天8月5號才承認？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-08-05T11:26:09.285714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-08-05T11:26:17.846154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
來，台糖蓋牌，我想台糖的事情，我們都非常了解，如果不是臺中的地方法院吹哨的話，我想我們全民現在還蒙在鼓裡。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-08-05T11:26:18.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-08-05T11:26:25.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
剛剛我也講了，南僑沒有通報被開罰，台糖沒有通報卻被開脫，很明顯的就是雙標嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.853 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-08-05T11:26:26.153846+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-08-05T11:26:31.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
現在部長說大家去追究台糖，你不了解這個邏輯，我們才不了解你的邏輯。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-08-05T11:26:32+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-08-05T11:26:43.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
因為邏輯很簡單，邏輯就是食安法第七條第五項，如果發現產品有危害安全衛生之虞，就應該要通報當地的主管縣市，所以邏輯很簡單啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-08-05T11:26:44+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-08-05T11:26:45.846154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
第七條第五項法有明文規定啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-08-05T11:26:46+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-08-05T11:26:50.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
產品有危害衛生安全之虞就要通報，請問哪裡不了解這個邏輯？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-08-05T11:26:51+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:02.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
我的邏輯很清楚，我們訂的苯駢芘標準是針對食用油脂，台糖這個是脫膠原油，我們沒有訂脫膠原油的標準，很清楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.787 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:03+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:10.357143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
好，石部長，我要跟你講一件事，不是法律專家就不要亂解釋法律，不是法律專家不懂法律就請藏拙。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:11+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:13.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
什麼叫做脫膠原油不是食品？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:14+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:19.571429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
食安法哪一條告訴我們，脫膠原油半成品不是食品？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:20+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:24.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
食安法哪一條告訴我們，脫膠原油這個半成品不是食品？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:25+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:29.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
脫膠原油沒有訂標準，BaP的標準是指食用油脂…… |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:30+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:30.470588+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
不是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:30.705882+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:33.764706+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
人家現在就是說產品有危害之虞…… |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:34+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:36.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
脫膠原油不是食用油脂，所以它就沒有標準啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:37+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:38.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
沒有標準？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:38.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:39.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
沒有標準…… |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:39+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:40.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
如果要訂也可以…… |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:40.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:41.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
來，我再問你一件事…… |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:41+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:42.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
我們大家來討論要訂多少…… |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:42.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:43.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
我現在問你一件事…… |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:43.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:44.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
可是全世界沒有人訂脫膠原油的苯駢芘標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:43.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:47.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
部長，我問你一件事，你是不是人？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:48+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:49+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
你是人嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:50.222222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-08-05T11:27:58.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
生你的阿公的阿公，你來自於阿公的阿公嘛，今天才有你存在站在這裡，你是人嘛，那麼你阿公的阿公是不是人？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-08-05T11:27:59+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:05.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
你下游這個人的產品是從上游來的嘛，你的阿公應該……你阿公是不是人，你回答不出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.829 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:06+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:08.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
你的阿公是不是人？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:09+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:10.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
我是人…… |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:11+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:12.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
對，你阿公是不是人？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:13+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:14.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
但是我的細胞，不能說細胞就是人啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:15+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:16.846154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
不是啦，我在問你阿公是不是人啦？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:17+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:18.555556+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
你就是從阿公來的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:19+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:20.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
人是由細胞…… |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:20.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:21.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
好，我現在…… |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:21+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:22.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
然後組成器官形成人，你不能說細胞就是人啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.316 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:22.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:23.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
你的阿公是不是人都不敢回答，迴避到這種程度…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:23.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:24.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
那是不同的東西啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:24.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:25.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
不是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:23+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:32.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
你就回答你阿公是不是人，你就回答我，不要打臉我的邏輯啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.68 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:32.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:33.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
你也不能說眼睛這個器官是人啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:33.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:34.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
不一樣的東西…… |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:33+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:34.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
我問你，你的阿公是不是人？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:35+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:36.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
我不了解你的邏輯。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:37+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:38.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
你不了解我的邏輯啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:39+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:42.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
你現在就是護航到連你的阿公是不是人，你都沒有辦法回應？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:43.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:45.571429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
好，我問部長的邏輯就是，如果今天…… |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:45.571429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:46.571429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
請不要詆毀我的阿公…… |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:45.761905+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:48.809524+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
我沒有要批評你的阿公，是因為你不回答…… |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:48.809524+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:49.809524+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
委員，不要詆毀我的阿公。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:49.809524+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:50.809524+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
我在跟你講生物學…… |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:49+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:51.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
我現在要問你，你的粗油是不是食品？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:51.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:52.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
細胞不等於人，眼睛是一個器官，也不會等於人。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-08-05T11:28:57.823529+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
如果你今天說大豆沙拉油是食品，為什麼它的上游半成品不是食品？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-08-05T11:28:58+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-08-05T11:29:02.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
我現在問一件事，食安法，你看不懂食安法，請藏拙。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-08-05T11:29:03+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-08-05T11:29:04.846154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
食安法對於食品的定義是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-08-05T11:29:05+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-08-05T11:29:07.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
來，講一下，食品的定義是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-08-05T11:29:08+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-08-05T11:29:09.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
產品跟原料嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-08-05T11:29:10.176471+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-08-05T11:29:19.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
為什麼剛剛有一個人講原料不是食品，因為考量成本，所以食安法才把原料歸進去，原料不是食品，這是誰的論述？ |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-08-05T11:29:19.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-08-05T11:29:27.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
剛剛有一個人的論述，陳菁徽委員問的，原料不是食品，請問一下部長，你覺得原料是食品嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-08-05T11:29:28+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-08-05T11:29:33.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
在食安法第三條明定食品當然包含產品及其原料，但是第七條…… |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-08-05T11:29:34+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-08-05T11:29:35.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
如果原料是食品，更上游…… |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-08-05T11:29:36+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-08-05T11:29:41.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
第七條的通報，你也可以念一下，它談的是產品通報。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-08-05T11:29:42+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-08-05T11:29:45.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
如果原料是食品，原料最後會變成成品…… |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-08-05T11:29:45.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-08-05T11:29:46.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
第七條第五項寫的是…… |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-08-05T11:29:46+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-08-05T11:29:47.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
中間會有經過半成品…… |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-08-05T11:29:47.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-08-05T11:29:48.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
在螢幕上面的文字很清楚…… |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-08-05T11:29:48.187500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-08-05T11:29:50.812500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
請問一下，如果原料都已經是食品了，半成品怎麼不會是食品？ |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-08-05T11:29:51+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-08-05T11:29:57.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
食品業者於發現產品有危害健康……所以它針對的通報是產品。 |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-08-05T11:29:58+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-08-05T11:30:01.809524+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
你為什麼覺得「產品」兩個字沒有包括成品跟半成品？ |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-08-05T11:30:02+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-08-05T11:30:06.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
為什麼你覺得成品兩個字……我們看一下食安法第七條第二項…… |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-08-05T11:30:06.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-08-05T11:30:07.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
我再講一遍，我們所訂的苯駢芘的標準是食用油脂…… |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-08-05T11:30:07+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-08-05T11:30:10.733333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
食品業者應該把產品原材料、半成品、成品…… |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-08-05T11:30:10.733333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-08-05T11:30:13+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
不是脫膠原油的標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.222 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-08-05T11:30:13+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-08-05T11:30:16.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
你不要東拉西扯，我現在是在跟你講產品。 |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-08-05T11:30:17.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-08-05T11:30:32.764706+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
我請姜至剛署長，我知道你有法律背景，請問一下，關於「產品」兩個字，依食安法第七條第五項，我們在講如果產品有危害衛生健康之虞時要通報，請問「產品」兩個字有包括成品跟半成品嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-08-05T11:30:33+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-08-05T11:30:34.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
我想這邊的產品…… |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-08-05T11:30:35+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-08-05T11:30:37.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
你有讀過法律，請你不要…… |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-08-05T11:30:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-08-05T11:30:43.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
相對應……我們對於規制裡面有訂標準的這些產品有違規，我們要通報。 |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-08-05T11:30:44+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-08-05T11:30:47.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
不要限縮解釋到這種程度，我們現在單純就在講產品。 |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-08-05T11:30:48+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-08-05T11:30:49.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
我想這個部分我的了解是這樣子，跟您做進一步的交流，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.32 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-08-05T11:30:50+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-08-05T11:30:50.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
什麼東西？ |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-08-05T11:30:51+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-08-05T11:31:01.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
我說就我的了解，我們對於這個產品，它有訂定特定衛生標準的苯駢芘，所以這個產品有違規，一定要通報。 |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-08-05T11:31:01.785714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-08-05T11:31:04.133333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
「之虞」好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-08-05T11:31:04.133333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-08-05T11:31:12.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
你把「之虞」……林淑芬委員在一個月之前就已經把「之虞」兩個字一再而再的提醒衛福部了，「之虞」就是沒有嚴格標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-08-05T11:31:13+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-08-05T11:31:13.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
懂不懂法律？ |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-08-05T11:31:14+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-08-05T11:31:15.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
現在是連文義解釋也掌握不了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-08-05T11:31:15.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-08-05T11:31:16.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
這個部分謝謝委員的指導…… |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-08-05T11:31:16.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-08-05T11:31:26.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
第一件事，我現在簡單的問，為什麼食安法第七條第五項的「產品」兩個字被你們解釋起來不包括成品跟半成品，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0.979 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-08-05T11:31:27+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-08-05T11:31:42.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
如果你的第二項有提到產品、原材料、半成品、成品，就代表ABC這項元素就是在食安食品的範圍之內，為什麼「產品」兩個字被你們解釋起來沒有成品跟半成品？ |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
0.985 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-08-05T11:31:43+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-08-05T11:31:50.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
委員，如果要把它做最大、擴大的解釋也不是不行，但是它的基本要件是要訂有標準，沒有訂有標準…… |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
0.825 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-08-05T11:31:51+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-08-05T11:31:54.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
人家已經「之虞」了，請問「之虞」會有標準嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-08-05T11:31:55+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-08-05T11:31:57.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
「之虞」，你看不懂法律嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-08-05T11:31:58+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-08-05T11:31:58.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
「之虞」會有標準？ |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-08-05T11:31:59+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-08-05T11:32:02.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
你現在為了要護航，護航到這種程度！沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-08-05T11:32:03.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2026-08-05T11:32:03.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
我先跟你…… |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-08-05T11:32:03.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-08-05T11:32:05.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
委員，你是學法律的…… |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-08-05T11:32:05.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-08-05T11:32:08.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
就因為是法律專家，所以聽不下去，我在下面就是聽得很痛苦。 |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-08-05T11:32:10+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-08-05T11:32:11.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
你要知道，所有的法律都有…… |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-08-05T11:32:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-08-05T11:32:12.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
我講一下，你要講法律是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-08-05T11:32:13+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-08-05T11:32:43.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
你們的第三十條、你們的第三十一條、你們的第三十二條一路以下，你們都把食品跟產品兩個字混用，回去看食安法，不要在這邊硬拗產品兩個字不是食品，產品兩個字其實就包括成品跟半成品，你們不要再不了解文義解釋，縱使不了解文義解釋，也應該掌握目的性的解釋，如果最上游的原料都被認為是食品，中間會經過半成品，最後會變成成品，為什麼中間那一個不叫食品？ |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-08-05T11:32:44+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-08-05T11:32:48.800000+08:00 |
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你們不要昧著良心說話，這個完全是聽不下去，完全對不起整部食安法！ |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-08-05T11:32:49+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-08-05T11:33:00.714286+08:00 |
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你們把整部食安法解釋得支離破碎，原料的歸原料，半成品的歸半成品，成品的歸成品，你們把整部食安法解釋得支離破碎，就只是為了護航。 |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
0.965 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-08-05T11:33:02+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2026-08-05T11:33:03.800000+08:00 |
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這些解釋也可以請您去看看吳焜裕教授，他就寫得非常的清楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0.346 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-08-05T11:33:04+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-08-05T11:33:46.777778+08:00 |
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石崇良部長，請你去問法律專家，因為其實真的有法律專家已經打臉你了，高檢署主任他已經打臉你了，人家是讀法律的，你不是讀法律的，你也許是衛生福利事項的專家，但你不是解釋法律的專家，我們解釋法律有文義解釋、有目的性解釋、有體系解釋，不管用哪一種標準解釋，解釋進來產品兩個字就是包括成品跟半成品，我再說一次，產品兩個字就是食品，我再說一次，食安法從第一條看到最後一條，產品跟食品兩個字完全是混用的，禁得起考驗，大家自己去翻食安法。 |
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0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-08-05T11:33:47+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-08-05T11:33:50.600000+08:00 |
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請問一下經濟部的爛菜說，部長認同嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-08-05T11:33:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:00.714286+08:00 |
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你如果去買菜，結果那個阿姨跟你講說，你買到這個爛菜，請問你作何感想？ |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:03+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:04.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
部長，你買到這個爛菜，請問你作何感想？ |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:05+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:11.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
我在問石崇良部長，請問你買到這個爛菜，你作何感想？ |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:14.571429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].text |
這個照片有問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:15+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:18.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
沒有關係啦，就AI啦，名字是你啦，對啦。 |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:19+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:20.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].text |
這個沒有經過我同意，我抗議！ |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:21+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:21.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].text |
沒有經過你同意，這個就是…… |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:22.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:23.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].text |
對這個圖片，我很抗議！ |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:24+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:24.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].text |
你很抗議？ |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:25+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[166].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:25.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].text |
抗議什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[166].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:26+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[167].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:26.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].text |
請問你抗議什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:27+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:28.888889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].text |
沒有我的同意，怎麼會用我的肖像呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:29+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:31.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].text |
肖像完全是……所以你要怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:31.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[170].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:32.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].text |
可以這樣嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:32+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:33.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].text |
你可以主張，當然可以啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[171].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:33.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:34.888889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].text |
我可以把它換成是委員的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:35+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[173].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:37.800000+08:00 |
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可以啊，你換啊，這沒有什麼啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[173].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:39.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].text |
這本來就是可受公評、公開。 |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:40+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[175].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:40.888889+08:00 |
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我尊重委員的肖像權，我不會這樣做。 |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:41+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[176].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:46.714286+08:00 |
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沒關係，你如果真的覺得不舒服，或者如果你覺得我有違法，那就請你去提告。 |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:46.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:47.714286+08:00 |
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非常不舒服。 |
| transcript.gazette[177].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:47+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2026-08-05T11:34:54.800000+08:00 |
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非常不舒服，那我很遺憾，我很遺憾我在質詢，站在立法委員的職權，然後你不舒服，我很遺憾啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[178].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2026-08-05T11:34:55.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2026-08-05T11:35:01.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].text |
如果你要我道歉，沒問題，可以跟你道歉，這根本是芝麻綠豆大的小事，沒有必要拿來質詢臺加以放大。 |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2026-08-05T11:35:04+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[180].end |
2026-08-05T11:35:04.916667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].text |
這個不是芝麻綠豆大的小事。 |
| transcript.gazette[180].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[181].start |
2026-08-05T11:35:05+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[181].end |
2026-08-05T11:35:11.777778+08:00 |
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好，沒關係，如果你不舒服，我就道歉，現在就是如果今天你去買到一個爛菜，請問一下你作何感想？ |
| transcript.gazette[181].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[182].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[182].start |
2026-08-05T11:35:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[182].end |
2026-08-05T11:35:13.818182+08:00 |
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我當然不會想要買爛菜，我就不買啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[182].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[183].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[183].start |
2026-08-05T11:35:14+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[183].end |
2026-08-05T11:35:15.833333+08:00 |
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對啊，你當然不會想買爛菜啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[183].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[184].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[184].start |
2026-08-05T11:35:16+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[184].end |
2026-08-05T11:35:17.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].text |
那麼為什麼爛菜會流通到市面？ |
| transcript.gazette[184].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[185].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[185].start |
2026-08-05T11:35:18+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[185].end |
2026-08-05T11:35:19.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].text |
因為政府沒有介入、政府沒有管制啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[185].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[186].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[186].start |
2026-08-05T11:35:20+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[186].end |
2026-08-05T11:35:27.666667+08:00 |
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所以爛菜才出現在菜攤上，你當然不會想要買爛菜，如果不通報，全民受害，連部長也會被包括進去。 |
| transcript.gazette[186].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[187].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[187].start |
2026-08-05T11:35:28+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[187].end |
2026-08-05T11:35:32.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].text |
部長，請問你真的吃到毒油，你沒有關係嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[187].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[188].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[188].start |
2026-08-05T11:35:33+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[188].end |
2026-08-05T11:35:36.428571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].text |
我們為油品做安全的把關，不會有毒油…… |
| transcript.gazette[188].quality |
0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[189].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[189].start |
2026-08-05T11:35:37+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[189].end |
2026-08-05T11:35:42.833333+08:00 |
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我告訴你，這些油已經全部都流到每個人的肚子裡面去，連賴總統都吃到了，你真的吃到毒油也沒關係嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[189].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[190].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[190].start |
2026-08-05T11:35:43.363636+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[190].end |
2026-08-05T11:35:47.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].text |
我現在再問你一件事，請問一下，通報只能靠法律嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[190].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[191].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[191].start |
2026-08-05T11:35:48+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[191].end |
2026-08-05T11:35:54.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].text |
我完完全全認為食安法第七條第五項就是包括成品、半成品還有原料，但你不認為。 |
| transcript.gazette[191].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[192].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[192].start |
2026-08-05T11:35:54.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[192].end |
2026-08-05T11:35:58.769231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].text |
好，退一步言之，如果通報不能靠法律的話，能不能靠良心？ |
| transcript.gazette[192].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[193].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[193].start |
2026-08-05T11:35:59+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[193].end |
2026-08-05T11:35:59.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].text |
能不能用高標準？ |
| transcript.gazette[193].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[194].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[194].start |
2026-08-05T11:36:00+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[194].end |
2026-08-05T11:36:10.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].text |
法律只是一個最低的標準，良心是一個比較高的標準，難道我們對經濟部所屬的台糖公司，我們用的是最低的標準嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[194].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[195].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[195].start |
2026-08-05T11:36:11+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[195].end |
2026-08-05T11:36:12.833333+08:00 |
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我們不能用高一點的標準嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[195].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[196].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[196].start |
2026-08-05T11:36:12.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[196].end |
2026-08-05T11:36:14+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].text |
在食安上，我們希望大家一起把關，大家來通報，對有問題的通報，我們都支持。 |
| transcript.gazette[196].quality |
0.161 |
| transcript.gazette[197].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[197].start |
2026-08-05T11:36:14+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[197].end |
2026-08-05T11:36:24.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].text |
為了食安把關，全民來通報，我們都支持，我們也鼓勵，但是面對要裁罰的時候，我們必須依法裁處。 |
| transcript.gazette[197].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[198].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[198].start |
2026-08-05T11:36:25.153846+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[198].end |
2026-08-05T11:36:26.846154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].text |
依法裁處就是已經告訴你了…… |
| transcript.gazette[198].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[199].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[199].start |
2026-08-05T11:36:27+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[199].end |
2026-08-05T11:36:28.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].text |
這個就是法律保留原則。 |
| transcript.gazette[199].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[200].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[200].start |
2026-08-05T11:36:29+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[200].end |
2026-08-05T11:36:44.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].text |
你們可能要請法律專家來幫你們鑑定第七條第五項有沒有包括產品，我相信你去問10個法律專家，有10個法律專家都會告訴你產品絕對有包括成品跟半成品，所以請你今天去找法律專家跟他們諮詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[200].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[201].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[201].start |
2026-08-05T11:36:45.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[201].end |
2026-08-05T11:36:49.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].text |
接著我們來看一下通報義務，要不要問總統？ |
| transcript.gazette[201].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[202].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[202].start |
2026-08-05T11:36:50+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[202].end |
2026-08-05T11:37:08.764706+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].text |
總統在當臺南市長的時候有訂出臺南市食品安全管理自治條例，他有提到食品有危害生命、身體之虞，48小時就要通報，請問一下石崇良部長，你認同賴清德總統在他市長任內所通過的這個自治條例嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[202].quality |
0.988 |
| transcript.gazette[203].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[203].start |
2026-08-05T11:37:09+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[203].end |
2026-08-05T11:37:10.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].text |
我認同依法行政。 |
| transcript.gazette[203].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[204].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[204].start |
2026-08-05T11:37:11+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[204].end |
2026-08-05T11:37:20.833333+08:00 |
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你認同依法行政，但是你今天認為台糖不用通報，你就完全是打臉總統在市長時期所訂出來的法律，因為我們大家解讀就是這樣嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[204].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[205].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[205].start |
2026-08-05T11:37:21.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[205].end |
2026-08-05T11:37:23.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].text |
我剛剛提到，我們需要依法行政…… |
| transcript.gazette[205].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[206].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[206].start |
2026-08-05T11:37:24+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[206].end |
2026-08-05T11:37:26.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].text |
衛福部一路開綠燈開到現在。 |
| transcript.gazette[206].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[207].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[207].start |
2026-08-05T11:37:27.545455+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[207].end |
2026-08-05T11:37:29.727273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].text |
所以法要開罰一定要依法行政。 |
| transcript.gazette[207].quality |
0.385 |
| transcript.gazette[208].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[208].start |
2026-08-05T11:37:29.727273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[208].end |
2026-08-05T11:37:30.727273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].text |
依法行政？ |
| transcript.gazette[208].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[209].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[209].start |
2026-08-05T11:37:30.142857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[209].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[209].end |
2026-08-05T11:37:30.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[209].text |
依法行政很好啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[209].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[210].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[210].start |
2026-08-05T11:37:31.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[210].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[210].end |
2026-08-05T11:37:32.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[210].text |
這就是法律保留原則。 |
| transcript.gazette[210].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[211].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[211].start |
2026-08-05T11:37:33+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[211].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[211].end |
2026-08-05T11:37:34.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[211].text |
沒關係，法律保留。 |
| transcript.gazette[211].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[212].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[212].start |
2026-08-05T11:37:35+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[212].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[212].end |
2026-08-05T11:37:37.454545+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[212].text |
我們訂的就是食用油脂的苯駢芘標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[212].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[213].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[213].start |
2026-08-05T11:37:37.727273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[213].end |
2026-08-05T11:37:55.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].text |
業者的產品有疑慮的通報義務已經保留給法律去制定了，就是食安法第七條第五項，它本身已經踐行法律保留原則啦，只是執法的人不認為法律裡頭的文義有包括半成品，所以你說你要依法行政，我舉雙手、雙腳贊成啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[213].quality |
0.856 |
| transcript.gazette[214].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[214].start |
2026-08-05T11:37:56+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[214].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[214].end |
2026-08-05T11:37:58.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[214].text |
要不要擴大文義都沒有關係，但我還是強調…… |
| transcript.gazette[214].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[215].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[215].start |
2026-08-05T11:37:59+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[215].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[215].end |
2026-08-05T11:37:59.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[215].text |
我沒有擴大文義啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[215].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[216].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[216].start |
2026-08-05T11:38:03.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[216].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[216].end |
2026-08-05T11:38:06.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[216].text |
苯駢芘的標準是訂在食用油脂，不是訂在脫膠原油。 |
| transcript.gazette[216].quality |
0.381 |
| transcript.gazette[217].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[217].start |
2026-08-05T11:38:06.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[217].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[217].end |
2026-08-05T11:38:07.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[217].text |
這個叫做法律的文義解釋跟目的性解釋，還有體系解釋……什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[217].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[218].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[218].start |
2026-08-05T11:38:07.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[218].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[218].end |
2026-08-05T11:38:08.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[218].text |
你再說一次。 |
| transcript.gazette[218].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[219].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[219].start |
2026-08-05T11:38:09+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[219].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[219].end |
2026-08-05T11:38:19.818182+08:00 |
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我們的苯駢芘標準是訂在食用油脂，不是脫膠原油，如果這樣下去的時候，可能還有很多都沒有通報…… |
| transcript.gazette[219].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[220].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[220].start |
2026-08-05T11:38:19.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[220].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[220].end |
2026-08-05T11:38:20.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[220].text |
你有沒有看得懂「之虞」？ |
| transcript.gazette[220].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[221].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[221].start |
2026-08-05T11:38:20+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[221].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[221].end |
2026-08-05T11:38:21.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[221].text |
你剛開始在跟我辯說產品不包括半成品…… |
| transcript.gazette[221].quality |
0.412 |
| transcript.gazette[222].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[222].start |
2026-08-05T11:38:22.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[222].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[222].end |
2026-08-05T11:38:25.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[222].text |
如果今天的脫膠原油驗出的是2.4，你要不要通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[222].quality |
0.45 |
| transcript.gazette[223].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[223].start |
2026-08-05T11:38:26+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[223].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[223].end |
2026-08-05T11:38:39.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[223].text |
等我已經打臉你打到臉很腫，你講不下去，你已經放棄護守「產品」兩個字，你現在再給我護守「之虞」兩個字，說這個是嚴格的標準，什麼苯駢芘的標準，「之虞」兩個字有嚴格的標準嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[223].quality |
0.803 |
| transcript.gazette[224].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[224].start |
2026-08-05T11:38:40+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[224].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[224].end |
2026-08-05T11:38:42.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[224].text |
到底看不看得懂法律啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[224].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[225].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[225].start |
2026-08-05T11:38:44+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[225].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[225].end |
2026-08-05T11:38:48.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[225].text |
所以現在沒有通報是出在「產品」兩個字還是出在「之虞」兩個字？部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[225].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[226].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[226].start |
2026-08-05T11:38:49+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[226].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[226].end |
2026-08-05T11:38:51.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[226].text |
要裁罰，我們一定要有依據。 |
| transcript.gazette[226].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[227].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[227].start |
2026-08-05T11:38:51.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[227].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[227].end |
2026-08-05T11:38:52.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[227].text |
依據就是第七條第五項啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[227].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[228].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[228].start |
2026-08-05T11:38:52.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[228].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[228].end |
2026-08-05T11:38:56.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[228].text |
就我們的依據，苯駢芘是訂在食用油脂…… |
| transcript.gazette[228].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[229].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[229].start |
2026-08-05T11:38:57+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[229].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[229].end |
2026-08-05T11:38:58.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[229].text |
依第七條第五項啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[229].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[230].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[230].start |
2026-08-05T11:38:59+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[230].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[230].end |
2026-08-05T11:39:03.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[230].text |
如果今天苯駢芘是零檢出，那麼大家都要…… |
| transcript.gazette[230].quality |
0.412 |
| transcript.gazette[231].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[231].start |
2026-08-05T11:39:03.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[231].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[231].end |
2026-08-05T11:39:04.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[231].text |
「之虞」兩個字就是沒有嚴格標準，「之虞」兩個字…… |
| transcript.gazette[231].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[232].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[232].start |
2026-08-05T11:39:05+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[232].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[232].end |
2026-08-05T11:39:07.727273+08:00 |
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但是我們訂的是食用油脂的苯駢芘標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[232].quality |
0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[233].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[233].start |
2026-08-05T11:39:08+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[233].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[233].end |
2026-08-05T11:39:10.437500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[233].text |
林淑芬委員等一下會問你，你要不要再問他對「之虞」兩個字的高見？ |
| transcript.gazette[233].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[234].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[234].start |
2026-08-05T11:39:11+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[234].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[234].end |
2026-08-05T11:39:12.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[234].text |
請問一下，台糖的事件，衛福部什麼時候知情的？ |
| transcript.gazette[234].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[235].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[235].start |
2026-08-05T11:39:15+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[235].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[235].end |
2026-08-05T11:39:17.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[235].text |
我們是兩天前知情的，那衛福部什麼時候知情的？ |
| transcript.gazette[235].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[236].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[236].start |
2026-08-05T11:39:21+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[236].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[236].end |
2026-08-05T11:39:29.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[236].text |
我們是專家進入……我們署內的同仁進去調查原因的時候，看到的報告裡面有看到是7月15號前後…… |
| transcript.gazette[236].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[237].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[237].start |
2026-08-05T11:39:30+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[237].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[237].end |
2026-08-05T11:39:31.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[237].text |
所以你們7月15號才知道？ |
| transcript.gazette[237].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[238].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[238].start |
2026-08-05T11:39:31.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[238].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[238].end |
2026-08-05T11:39:32.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[238].text |
不知道…… |
| transcript.gazette[238].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[239].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[239].start |
2026-08-05T11:39:32.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[239].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[239].end |
2026-08-05T11:39:33.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[239].text |
……台糖這個事件？ |
| transcript.gazette[239].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[240].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[240].start |
2026-08-05T11:39:33.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[240].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[240].end |
2026-08-05T11:39:34.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[240].text |
所以之前完全不知道這件事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[240].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[241].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[241].start |
2026-08-05T11:39:34+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[241].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[241].end |
2026-08-05T11:39:36.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[241].text |
所以你們7月15號才知道台糖這個事件。 |
| transcript.gazette[241].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[242].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[242].start |
2026-08-05T11:39:37+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[242].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[242].end |
2026-08-05T11:39:41.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[242].text |
再來請經濟部，經濟部有請，請問一下，你們什麼時候知道這個台糖事件？ |
| transcript.gazette[242].quality |
0.793 |
| transcript.gazette[243].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[243].start |
2026-08-05T11:39:51+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[243].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[243].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:02.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[243].text |
跟委員說明，7月9日高雄市政府採用預防性下架的時候，我們就積極了解台糖的所有產品有沒有危害食品安全之虞。 |
| transcript.gazette[243].quality |
0.894 |
| transcript.gazette[244].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[244].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:03+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[244].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[244].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:04.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[244].text |
所以你是7月9日才知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[244].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[245].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[245].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:05+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[245].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[245].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:06.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[245].text |
所以是7月9日才知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[245].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[246].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[246].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:07.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[246].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[246].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:08.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[246].text |
台糖公司有把這個事情報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[246].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[247].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[247].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:09+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[247].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[247].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:12.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[247].text |
那時候火燒那麼大，你有沒有跟行政院院長報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[247].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[248].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[248].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:13.444444+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[248].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[248].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:21.454545+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[248].text |
因為經過我們了解，台糖所有的產品及原料都合乎食安法的規定。 |
| transcript.gazette[248].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[249].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[249].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:22+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[249].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[249].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:34.769231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[249].text |
第二個，台糖所採購的脫膠原油，其不允收的部分始終在臺中的中聯廠裡面，並沒有到台糖的生產供應鏈…… |
| transcript.gazette[249].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[250].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[250].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:35.166667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[250].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[250].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:35.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[250].text |
我現在問你…… |
| transcript.gazette[250].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[251].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[251].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:36+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[251].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[251].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:37.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[251].text |
而臺中地方法院 |
| transcript.gazette[251].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[252].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[252].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[252].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[252].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:38.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[252].text |
好，沒關係…… |
| transcript.gazette[252].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[253].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[253].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:39.444444+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[253].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[253].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:42.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[253].text |
新聞稿提到中聯跟福懋有通報的責任。 |
| transcript.gazette[253].quality |
0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[254].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[254].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:43+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[254].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[254].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:46.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[254].text |
你說他退回給中聯，請問中聯要由誰通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[254].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[255].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[255].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:47+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[255].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[255].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:48.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[255].text |
許輔主任剛剛是說…… |
| transcript.gazette[255].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[256].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[256].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:49.769231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[256].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[256].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:50.846154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[256].text |
新聞稿講得很清楚啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[256].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[257].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[257].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:51+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[257].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[257].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:51.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[257].text |
是誰要通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[257].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[258].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[258].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[258].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[258].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:52.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[258].text |
他們就是要通報。 |
| transcript.gazette[258].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[259].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[259].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:53+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[259].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[259].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:54.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[259].text |
誰要通報？中聯。 |
| transcript.gazette[259].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[260].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[260].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:55+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[260].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[260].end |
2026-08-05T11:40:58.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[260].text |
好，我請問許輔主任，誰要通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[260].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[261].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[261].start |
2026-08-05T11:40:59+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[261].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[261].end |
2026-08-05T11:41:01.454545+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[261].text |
這個貨物的主人是中聯。 |
| transcript.gazette[261].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[262].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[262].start |
2026-08-05T11:41:02+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[262].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[262].end |
2026-08-05T11:41:04.571429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[262].text |
所以誰要通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[262].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[263].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[263].start |
2026-08-05T11:41:05.363636+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[263].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[263].end |
2026-08-05T11:41:06.454545+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[263].text |
這個只是脫膠原油嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[263].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[264].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[264].start |
2026-08-05T11:41:07+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[264].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[264].end |
2026-08-05T11:41:10.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[264].text |
所以你們都覺得是中聯要通報嗎？是嗎？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[264].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[265].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[265].start |
2026-08-05T11:41:11+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[265].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[265].end |
2026-08-05T11:41:15.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[265].text |
如果你們覺得中聯要通報，請問法律依據在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[265].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[266].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[266].start |
2026-08-05T11:41:15.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[266].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[266].end |
2026-08-05T11:41:16.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[266].text |
東西是…… |
| transcript.gazette[266].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[267].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[267].start |
2026-08-05T11:41:16+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[267].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[267].end |
2026-08-05T11:41:20.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[267].text |
因為它只是原料，它只是脫膠原油，請問要通報的依據是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[267].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[268].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[268].start |
2026-08-05T11:41:20.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[268].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[268].end |
2026-08-05T11:41:21.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[268].text |
所以我剛剛所講假設…… |
| transcript.gazette[268].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[269].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[269].start |
2026-08-05T11:41:21+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[269].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[269].end |
2026-08-05T11:41:22.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[269].text |
是第七條第五項嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[269].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[270].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[270].start |
2026-08-05T11:41:23+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[270].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[270].end |
2026-08-05T11:41:39.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[270].text |
你們不是認為第七條第五項不能夠作為脫膠原油的通報依據，如果台糖不用通報，到了中聯就要通報，而中聯用的法條就是第七條第五項，台糖因為七條第五項不能用，但到了中聯就可以用，請問通報的法源依據在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[270].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[271].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[271].start |
2026-08-05T11:41:40.285714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[271].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[271].end |
2026-08-05T11:41:50.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[271].text |
我向委員說明，同樣在第十七條是衛生標準，我剛有跟王委員說明生菌素，所有生的肉和魚都是超標…… |
| transcript.gazette[271].quality |
0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[272].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[272].start |
2026-08-05T11:41:51+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[272].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[272].end |
2026-08-05T11:41:55.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[272].text |
有危害安全之虞，「之虞」兩個字是非常寬鬆的…… |
| transcript.gazette[272].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[273].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[273].start |
2026-08-05T11:41:55.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[273].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[273].end |
2026-08-05T11:41:56.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[273].text |
今天我要煮飯前不會全部都去…… |
| transcript.gazette[273].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[274].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[274].start |
2026-08-05T11:41:56+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[274].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[274].end |
2026-08-05T11:41:57.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[274].text |
不要再跟我講嚴格的苯駢芘標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[274].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[275].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[275].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:00.222222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[275].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[275].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:03.428571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[275].text |
所有的……你要看樣態、原料屬於哪一類。 |
| transcript.gazette[275].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[276].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[276].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:04+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[276].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[276].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:12.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[276].text |
樣態就是台糖啊，台糖的樣態就是不用通報，樣態就是中聯啊，中聯就是要通報，這就是你們的樣態啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[276].quality |
0.829 |
| transcript.gazette[277].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[277].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:12.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[277].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[277].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:13.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[277].text |
我指的是食品和原料屬於哪一種？ |
| transcript.gazette[277].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[278].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[278].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:13.153846+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[278].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[278].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:21.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[278].text |
所以現在你們的抗辯已經從產品發展到「之虞」兩個字了，請問一下行政院院長為什麼在專案報告的時候…… |
| transcript.gazette[278].quality |
0.884 |
| transcript.gazette[279].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[279].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:22+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[279].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[279].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:29.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[279].text |
跟委員舉個例子就會很容易理解，我們吃的豬排，它含有生菌，所以生菌要不要通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[279].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[280].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[280].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:30+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[280].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[280].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:35.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[280].text |
不用，因為它最終的產品是做成炸豬排，會把生菌消除掉。 |
| transcript.gazette[280].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[281].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[281].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:36+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[281].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[281].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:37+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[281].text |
你說生菌是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[281].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[282].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[282].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:37+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[282].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[282].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[282].text |
細菌嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[282].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[283].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[283].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:37.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[283].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[283].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:37.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[283].text |
細菌啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[283].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[284].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[284].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[284].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[284].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:39.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[284].text |
肉裡面有細菌，不能說這塊肉有細菌就通報啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[284].quality |
0.368 |
| transcript.gazette[285].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[285].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:40+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[285].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[285].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:41.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[285].text |
那個是添加的細菌。 |
| transcript.gazette[285].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[286].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[286].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:42+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[286].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[286].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:46.888889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[286].text |
你不要在這裏跟我胡扯，你跟我胡扯、跟我胡扯…… |
| transcript.gazette[286].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[287].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[287].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:46.888889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[287].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[287].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:47.888889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[287].text |
因為它的產品…… |
| transcript.gazette[287].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[288].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[288].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:47.111111+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[288].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[288].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:49.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[288].text |
你的阿公，在你的耳裡聽起來很怪，這在我的耳裡聽起來也很怪…… |
| transcript.gazette[288].quality |
0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[289].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[289].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:50.153846+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[289].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[289].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:53.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[289].text |
在便利商店的成品就是這樣製造出來的。 |
| transcript.gazette[289].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[290].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[290].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:53.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[290].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[290].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:54.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[290].text |
你不要再跟我扯細菌。 |
| transcript.gazette[290].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[291].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[291].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:54.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[291].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[291].end |
2026-08-05T11:42:55.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[291].text |
不會在前面處理通報。 |
| transcript.gazette[291].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[292].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[292].start |
2026-08-05T11:42:54+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[292].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[292].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:03.866667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[292].text |
我現在講的是半成品，是屬於食品的一環，你不要跟我扯東扯西，因為你的邏輯，我才不懂，你的邏輯，我不懂得一塌糊塗好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[292].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[293].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[293].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:04.222222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[293].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[293].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:09.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[293].text |
請問行政院院長在食安會報怎麼沒有提到台糖這件事？ |
| transcript.gazette[293].quality |
0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[294].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[294].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:10+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[294].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[294].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:11.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[294].text |
你們有跟他報告嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[294].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[295].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[295].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[295].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[295].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:17.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[295].text |
你們一個說7月9日知情、一個說7月15日知情，請問一下院長何時知道？ |
| transcript.gazette[295].quality |
0.731 |
| transcript.gazette[296].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[296].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:18+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[296].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[296].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:19.894737+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[296].text |
你們完全都沒有跟行政院院長報告過這件事嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[296].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[297].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[297].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:20+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[297].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[297].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:26.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[297].text |
我們院大概就是署長所提到的……所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[297].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[298].speaker |
許主任輔 |
| transcript.gazette[298].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:27.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[298].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[298].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:29.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[298].text |
從預防性下架大概是9號，然後15號進場看到有這個批次。 |
| transcript.gazette[298].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[299].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[299].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:30+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[299].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[299].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:35.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[299].text |
我知道啦，請問一下衛福部有沒有跟行政院院長報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[299].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[300].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[300].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:36.117647+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[300].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[300].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:37.882353+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[300].text |
石部長，你有沒有跟行政院院長報告台糖這件事？ |
| transcript.gazette[300].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[301].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[301].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:38.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[301].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[301].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:41.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[301].text |
經濟部所屬的國營事業台糖。 |
| transcript.gazette[301].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[302].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[302].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:41.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[302].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[302].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:44+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[302].text |
我們在7月1日已經把它停工…… |
| transcript.gazette[302].quality |
0.182 |
| transcript.gazette[303].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[303].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:44+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[303].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[303].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:45.846154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[303].text |
不是啦，你說有或沒有就好了，不要答非所問，時間很寶貴…… |
| transcript.gazette[303].quality |
0.478 |
| transcript.gazette[304].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[304].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:45.846154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[304].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[304].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:48+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[304].text |
已經沒有在…… |
| transcript.gazette[304].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[305].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[305].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:48+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[305].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[305].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:48.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[305].text |
我後面還有一堆人。 |
| transcript.gazette[305].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[306].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[306].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:48.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[306].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[306].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:51.066667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[306].text |
行政院院長不需要知道這件事嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[306].quality |
0.071 |
| transcript.gazette[307].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[307].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:51.066667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[307].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[307].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:55+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[307].text |
在7月1號以後都已經停工了，所以這個脫膠原油也不可製造啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[307].quality |
0.64 |
| transcript.gazette[308].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[308].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:56+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[308].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[308].end |
2026-08-05T11:43:57.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[308].text |
你有沒有跟行政院長報告這件事？ |
| transcript.gazette[308].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[309].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[309].start |
2026-08-05T11:43:58+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[309].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[309].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:01.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[309].text |
你先回答，再請經濟部回答，你有沒有跟行政院院長報告這件事？ |
| transcript.gazette[309].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[310].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[310].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:02+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[310].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[310].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:05.384615+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[310].text |
當7月15日知道時，有沒有跟行政院院長報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[310].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[311].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[311].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:06+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[311].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[311].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:07.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[311].text |
所以行政院院長跟我們一樣是兩天前才知道的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[311].quality |
0.524 |
| transcript.gazette[312].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[312].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:08+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[312].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[312].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:09.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[312].text |
院長當然知道，我們最後一定會報告的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[312].quality |
0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[313].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[313].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:10.285714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[313].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[313].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:11.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[313].text |
是什麼時候報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[313].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[314].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[314].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[314].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[314].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:13.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[314].text |
這個日期有那麼難以啟齒嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[314].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[315].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[315].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:13.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[315].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[315].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:14.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[315].text |
是什麼時候報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[315].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[316].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[316].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:14+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[316].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[316].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:15.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[316].text |
日期要再確認。 |
| transcript.gazette[316].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[317].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[317].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:16+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[317].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[317].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:17.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[317].text |
你要確認？ |
| transcript.gazette[317].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[318].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[318].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:18+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[318].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[318].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:19.866667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[318].text |
因為我經常跟院長報告很多事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[318].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[319].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[319].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:20.307692+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[319].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[319].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:21.846154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[319].text |
好，什麼時候能夠跟我們確認？ |
| transcript.gazette[319].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[320].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[320].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:22+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[320].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[320].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:23.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[320].text |
我要看看我能不能想得起來。 |
| transcript.gazette[320].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[321].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[321].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:24+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[321].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[321].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:29.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[321].text |
好，所以你就這麼不把你跟行政院院長的會面上心嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[321].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[322].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[322].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:30+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[322].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[322].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:37.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[322].text |
居然還要看你想不想得起來，不能夠因為他沒有關心你眼中的血絲，你就這樣忽略院長啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[322].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[323].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[323].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:37.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[323].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[323].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:40+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[323].text |
我們有報告啊，但是你一定要問幾月、幾號…… |
| transcript.gazette[323].quality |
0.294 |
| transcript.gazette[324].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[324].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:40+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[324].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[324].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:43.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[324].text |
有報告，但什麼時候你又講不出來，反正你就是講不出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[324].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[325].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[325].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:43.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[325].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[325].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:44.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[325].text |
你問我幾月、幾號，我就要想一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[325].quality |
0.077 |
| transcript.gazette[326].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[326].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:44.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[326].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[326].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:53.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[326].text |
我知道你要想，但你又說有可能想不起來，我想我們都很珍惜跟長官見面的機會，結果你居然想不起來。 |
| transcript.gazette[326].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[327].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[327].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:54+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[327].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[327].end |
2026-08-05T11:44:55.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[327].text |
請問經濟部長什麼時候跟行政院院長報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[327].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[328].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[328].start |
2026-08-05T11:44:56+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[328].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[328].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:09.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[328].text |
7月9日我們接獲台糖公司通報，它被高雄市政府預防性下架之後，我們的國營司就請台糖公司必須要配合地方主管機關的…… |
| transcript.gazette[328].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[329].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[329].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:10+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[329].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[329].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:13.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[329].text |
不是啦，跟行政院院長……不要講那麼多，因為我快要收尾了，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[329].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[330].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[330].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:14+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[330].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[330].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:15.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[330].text |
我也不想讓後面的人等很久。 |
| transcript.gazette[330].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[331].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[331].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:16+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[331].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[331].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:17.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[331].text |
我跟委員講的是事實。 |
| transcript.gazette[331].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[332].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[332].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:17.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[332].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[332].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:18.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[332].text |
不是啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[332].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[333].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[333].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:18+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[333].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[333].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:19.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[333].text |
什麼時候跟行政院院長報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[333].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[334].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[334].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:20+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[334].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[334].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:23.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[334].text |
因為還沒聽到行政院長這四個關鍵字，什麼時候跟行政院院長報告的？ |
| transcript.gazette[334].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[335].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[335].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:24+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[335].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[335].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:29.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[335].text |
因為依照台糖公司契約辦理的事項，它平常都不需要向經濟部做報告，只不過今天這件事情有涉及到…… |
| transcript.gazette[335].quality |
0.548 |
| transcript.gazette[336].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[336].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:30+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[336].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[336].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:33.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[336].text |
不是啦，你知情之後有沒有跟行政院院長報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[336].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[337].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[337].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:34+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[337].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[337].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:35.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[337].text |
有還是沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[337].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[338].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[338].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:35.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[338].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[338].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:36.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[338].text |
我們依照內部的規定。 |
| transcript.gazette[338].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[339].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[339].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:36+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[339].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[339].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:37.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[339].text |
所以你們沒有跟行政院院長報告嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[339].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[340].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[340].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[340].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[340].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:40.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[340].text |
不像石部長……沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[340].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[341].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[341].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:40.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[341].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[341].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:43.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[341].text |
沒有跟行政院院長報告，沒有嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[341].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[342].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[342].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:44+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[342].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[342].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:49.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[342].text |
所以，只有石崇良部長向行政院院長報告而已，是這樣嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[342].quality |
0.609 |
| transcript.gazette[343].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[343].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:50+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[343].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[343].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:51.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[343].text |
你們沒有跟行政院院長報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[343].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[344].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[344].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:52.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[344].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[344].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:57.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[344].text |
台糖公司會配合中央及地方專案清查的作業來辦理。 |
| transcript.gazette[344].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[345].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[345].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:58+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[345].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[345].end |
2026-08-05T11:45:59.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[345].text |
不是，你們到底有沒有跟行政院院長報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[345].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[346].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[346].start |
2026-08-05T11:45:59.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[346].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[346].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:00.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[346].text |
第一是沒有嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[346].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[347].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[347].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:00+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[347].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[347].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:03.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[347].text |
相關檢查的結果，當然中央主管機關或是地方主管機關都會知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[347].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[348].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[348].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:04+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[348].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[348].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:11.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[348].text |
不是啦，我在問行政院院長，他也是中央主管機關啊，我在問院長知不知道這件事？ |
| transcript.gazette[348].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[349].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[349].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:12.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[349].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[349].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:14.222222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[349].text |
經濟部有沒有跟他報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[349].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[350].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[350].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:14.444444+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[350].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[350].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:19.636364+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[350].text |
畢竟台糖是國營事業，你們有沒有跟院長報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[350].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[351].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[351].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:20+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[351].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[351].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:21.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[351].text |
這麼難回答嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[351].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[352].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[352].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:22+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[352].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[352].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:27.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[352].text |
跟委員說明，台糖生產的產品，比如大豆沙拉油…… |
| transcript.gazette[352].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[353].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[353].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:27.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[353].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[353].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:28.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[353].text |
簡答題，你們有沒有跟院長報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[353].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[354].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[354].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:28.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[354].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[354].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:29.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[354].text |
一句話，經濟部有沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[354].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[355].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[355].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:29.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[355].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[355].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:30.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[355].text |
必須要依照食安法的規定…… |
| transcript.gazette[355].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[356].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[356].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:28+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[356].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[356].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:29.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[356].text |
你們有沒有跟行政院長報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[356].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[357].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[357].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:30.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[357].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[357].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:33.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[357].text |
要跟中央及地方主管機關進行報告，這個就是台糖公司的責任。 |
| transcript.gazette[357].quality |
0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[358].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[358].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:34.133333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[358].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[358].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:36.153846+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[358].text |
所以你們沒有跟行政院長報告，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[358].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[359].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[359].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:36.307692+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[359].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[359].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:39.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[359].text |
你們沒有跟行政院長報告，是嗎？是嗎？是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[359].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[360].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[360].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:40+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[360].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[360].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:43.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[360].text |
沒有報告嘛，就是沒有報告，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[360].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[361].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[361].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:44+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[361].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[361].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:45.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[361].text |
聽起來就是沒有報告，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[361].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[362].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[362].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:48+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[362].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[362].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:51.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[362].text |
就我知道的部分，我沒有參加過院長的會議，所以我沒有跟院長報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[362].quality |
0.607 |
| transcript.gazette[363].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[363].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[363].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[363].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:55.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[363].text |
你就講經濟部沒有報告就好了，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[363].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[364].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[364].start |
2026-08-05T11:46:56.222222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[364].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[364].end |
2026-08-05T11:46:59+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[364].text |
好，經濟部沒有報告，是這樣嘛！OK。 |
| transcript.gazette[364].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[365].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[365].start |
2026-08-05T11:47:02+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[365].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[365].end |
2026-08-05T11:47:17.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[365].text |
部長，我請問一下，這一批毒油1,300公噸，4月初或5月驗出、7月初才封存，請問你們在7月17日公布4月到6月中聯流出的這些油品，請問有公布批號嗎？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[365].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[366].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[366].start |
2026-08-05T11:47:18+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[366].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[366].end |
2026-08-05T11:47:21.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[366].text |
你們公布了30個批號，在哪個批號之內？ |
| transcript.gazette[366].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[367].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[367].start |
2026-08-05T11:47:22.222222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[367].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[367].end |
2026-08-05T11:47:23.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[367].text |
它沒有做成食用油脂，所以沒有批號。 |
| transcript.gazette[367].quality |
0.467 |
| transcript.gazette[368].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[368].start |
2026-08-05T11:47:24+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[368].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[368].end |
2026-08-05T11:47:24.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[368].text |
不是，出貨啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[368].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[369].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[369].start |
2026-08-05T11:47:24.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[369].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[369].end |
2026-08-05T11:47:25.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[369].text |
它不是出貨嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[369].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[370].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[370].start |
2026-08-05T11:47:26.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[370].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[370].end |
2026-08-05T11:47:27.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[370].text |
它沒有出貨啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[370].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[371].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[371].start |
2026-08-05T11:47:27.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[371].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[371].end |
2026-08-05T11:47:28.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[371].text |
從頭到尾沒出貨。 |
| transcript.gazette[371].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[372].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[372].start |
2026-08-05T11:47:28.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[372].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[372].end |
2026-08-05T11:47:29.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[372].text |
它沒有出貨。 |
| transcript.gazette[372].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[373].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[373].start |
2026-08-05T11:47:30.181818+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[373].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[373].end |
2026-08-05T11:47:37.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[373].text |
它就在中聯裡面，沒有出貨，還在槽裡面，連精煉都還沒有做，所以沒有批號。 |
| transcript.gazette[373].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[374].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[374].start |
2026-08-05T11:47:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[374].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[374].end |
2026-08-05T11:47:39.866667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[374].text |
所以今天是台糖去它的油槽取樣本。 |
| transcript.gazette[374].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[375].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[375].start |
2026-08-05T11:47:40.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[375].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[375].end |
2026-08-05T11:47:49.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[375].text |
它把油槽封了之後取樣本，然後驗了之後超出驗收標準，它就不驗收啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[375].quality |
0.862 |
| transcript.gazette[376].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[376].start |
2026-08-05T11:47:49.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[376].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[376].end |
2026-08-05T11:47:50.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[376].text |
它不驗收了。 |
| transcript.gazette[376].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[377].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[377].start |
2026-08-05T11:47:50.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[377].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[377].end |
2026-08-05T11:47:51.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[377].text |
就不採購了，所以它就放在那裏。 |
| transcript.gazette[377].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[378].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[378].start |
2026-08-05T11:47:50+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[378].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[378].end |
2026-08-05T11:48:11.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[378].text |
但是台糖有扎扎實實掌握14.7這個數字，食品業者如果對於半成品的安全有疑慮之虞就要通報當地的主管機關，顯然台糖就是沒有通報，貨雖然沒有到它這邊，但是它已經知道數據了。 |
| transcript.gazette[378].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[379].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[379].start |
2026-08-05T11:48:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[379].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[379].end |
2026-08-05T11:48:13.882353+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[379].text |
通報的義務是在於有沒有超出我們的標準…… |
| transcript.gazette[379].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[380].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-08-05T11:48:14.250000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[380].end |
2026-08-05T11:48:15.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[380].text |
你們的標準……法條就寫「之虞」。 |
| transcript.gazette[380].quality |
0.455 |
| transcript.gazette[381].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[381].start |
2026-08-05T11:48:15.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[381].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[381].end |
2026-08-05T11:48:16.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[381].text |
我們的苯駢芘標準是指食用油脂的苯駢芘標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[381].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[382].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[382].start |
2026-08-05T11:48:16+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[382].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[382].end |
2026-08-05T11:48:17.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[382].text |
奇怪了，你為什麼要超越法律呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[382].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[383].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[383].start |
2026-08-05T11:48:18+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[383].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[383].end |
2026-08-05T11:48:30.571429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[383].text |
你比大法官還厲害，你不只解釋法律，你還超越法律，食品安全衛生法第七條已經說有危害健康、危害衛生、危害安全之虞，「之虞」兩個字有那麼難讀懂嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[383].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[384].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[384].start |
2026-08-05T11:48:32+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[384].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[384].end |
2026-08-05T11:48:37.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[384].text |
委員，你在一個炸豬排工廠看到有塊生肉，它有細菌，你要不要通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[384].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[385].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[385].start |
2026-08-05T11:48:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[385].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[385].end |
2026-08-05T11:48:39.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[385].text |
我不懂你的邏輯，你不要跟我談豬排，豬排跟這個完全不能類比…… |
| transcript.gazette[385].quality |
0.308 |
| transcript.gazette[386].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[386].start |
2026-08-05T11:48:39.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[386].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[386].end |
2026-08-05T11:48:40.818182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[386].text |
不會通報，因為後面會經過加溫、加熱過程達到我們的標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[386].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[387].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[387].start |
2026-08-05T11:48:40+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[387].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[387].end |
2026-08-05T11:48:45.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[387].text |
如果你覺得你的阿公在這邊不適合被請出來，你的豬排也不適合在這邊請出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[387].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[388].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[388].start |
2026-08-05T11:48:46.222222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[388].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[388].end |
2026-08-05T11:48:57.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[388].text |
我現在跟部長講一句，人民怒吼是725的事情，如果你們繼續荒腔走板，可能不是人民怒吼，我覺得可能是人民暴動了。 |
| transcript.gazette[388].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[389].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[389].start |
2026-08-05T11:48:58.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[389].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[389].end |
2026-08-05T11:49:45+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[389].text |
部長，我還是要跟你講，最後做一個總結，他們一直說第七條第五項的產品不包括半成品，半成品不是食用油，所以不需要根據第七條第五項進行通報，現在不管是從文意、目的性解釋或體系解釋，你們自己去看食安法，食安法的產品及食品兩個字是完全混用的，所以請不要再拿第七條第五項的產品不包括半成品當擋箭牌，擋不住之後，請不要從「之虞」兩個字上下其手，「之虞」兩個字就是代表不用嚴格的標準，所以不要在那邊提什麼苯駢芘怎樣、苯駢芘怎樣，請不要用這個當擋箭牌跟遮羞布，以上說明，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[389].quality |
0.845 |
| transcript.gazette[390].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[390].start |
2026-08-05T11:49:45.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[390].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[390].end |
2026-08-05T11:49:48.357143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[390].text |
謝謝邱慧洳委員的質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[390].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[391].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[391].start |
2026-08-05T11:49:48.657143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[391].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[391].end |
2026-08-05T11:49:51.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[391].text |
接下來請邱鎮軍委員質詢。 |
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0 |