| IVOD_ID |
170835 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170835 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-05T10:41:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-05T10:49:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d053bb9b075f6aea845eee25f229d6005034063ebe585f569e152d6567b454d35f9a43187052e4375ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:41:16 - 10:49:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查「臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例」：(一)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等18人擬具「臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例增訂第九十三條之四條文草案」案。(二)審查委員林楚茵等24人擬具「臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第十八條之一條文修正草案」案。(三)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第六十九條條文修正草案」案。(四)審查委員李柏毅等20人擬具「臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第十八條之一條文修正草案」案。(五)審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具「臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例部分條文修正草案」案。二、審查「香港澳門關係條例」：(一)繼續審查委員張宏陸等20人擬具「香港澳門關係條例第十四條、第十四條之一及第四十七條之一條文修正草案」案。(二)審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具「香港澳門關係條例部分條文修正草案」案。【僅詢答】） |
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| transcript.whisperx[0].start |
0 |
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5.1 |
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對 好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].start |
9.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].end |
11.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].text |
好 謝謝 有請邱主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].start |
11.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
13.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
邱主委 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
16.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
17.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
李委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
17.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
20.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
邏輯清楚啦 邏輯清楚的意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
21.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
23.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
這兩岸的制度齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
23.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
27.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
你沒有辦法完全拿來做對等的比較啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
27.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
29.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
邏輯清楚的意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
30 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
34 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
在台灣你買房地產跟在中國買房地產 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
35.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
那個概念也完全不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
35.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
37.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
中國有沒有土地所有權 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
37.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
39.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
中國的土地是國家的 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
39.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
42.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
台灣的土地為什麼稀有 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
44 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
45.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
為什麼珍貴 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
45.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
47.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
台灣土地可以民有 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
47.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
50 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
所以跟這個國家概念是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
50 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
51 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
51.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
56 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
站在國家安全的立場來出發的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
56 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
59.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
這一些收容萬一有了空窗期 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
59.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
62.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
對台灣社會是造成影響的 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
62.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
64.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
所以我們必須要這樣子做 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
64.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
66 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
不來 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
66 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
68 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
中國不接他們回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
68 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
71.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
用台灣的法治來影響台灣的生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
71.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
73 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
影響台灣的治安 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
73 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
76.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
這確實是中國要做的影響的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
76.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
78.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
所以今天來提出這個修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
78.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
81 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
那剛剛邱主委也有說過 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
81 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
84.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
其實對我們這個修法的方向上是滿一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
85.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
86.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
非常感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
86.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
91.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
但我也會尊重行政院這邊的後續的這些討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
91.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
93.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
行政院這邊可能還有一些意見要進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
93.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
96.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
所以我還是會等院板這邊的意見一起進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
96.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
98.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
我們再來做一個逐條的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
98.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
100.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
來 主委請你回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
101.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
103.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
是 謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
103.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
105.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
您的修法的這些概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
105.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
109.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
跟我們的構想是完全一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
109.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
111.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
我們首先要感謝您的辛勞 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
111.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
114.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
那確實我們這幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
114.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
119.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
我們都希望我們抓到的這個不想偷渡犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
119.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
122.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
或者是在台灣犯了我們的刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
122.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
124.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
刑滿 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
124.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
126.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
完了這些人犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
126.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
129.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
能夠順利依照遣返的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
129.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
130.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
回到中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
130.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
131.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
那他們不願意接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
131.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
133.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
但很遺憾的 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
133.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
135.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
那麼他們常常 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
135.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
139.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
比如說最近遣返是兩年前才遣返的 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
139.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
142.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
最近一次是6月有處理過一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
142.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
145.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
但是今年6月那一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
145.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
148.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
另外再前一次是超過兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
148.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
151.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
所以中國大陸累積了非常多的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
153.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
155.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
那時候現行的法律這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
155.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
156.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
你超過兩年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
156.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
158.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
現行法律150天 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
158.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
159.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
其他這500天 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
159.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
161.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
長期在台灣替代收容 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
162.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
164.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
替代收容是什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
164.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
165.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
你再白話一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
165.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
165.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
165.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
168.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
我們那個移民署的所謂的收容 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
168.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
170.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
他有暫語收容 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
170.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
171.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
續語收容 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
171.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
172.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
延長收容 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
172.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
175.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
我們在大陸人士是150天 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
175.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
178.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
外國人是100天 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
178.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
180.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
那這150天之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
180.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
183.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
依法他們就不能再收容了 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
183.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
185.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
就要採取 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
185.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
187.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
由社會團體來替代收容 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
187.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
189.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
那可能找慈善單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
189.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
192.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
可能找其他的配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
192.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
194.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
宗教單位來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
194.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
196.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
所以就是自由的在台灣生活了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
196.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
200.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
當然要定期回到移民署去做報到 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
200.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
203.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
那只是這個管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
203.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
206.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
往往他大部分時間都在外面 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
206.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
209.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
那尤其我們的民眾可能不曉得 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
209.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
211.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
他周遭有很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
211.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
213.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
曾經有犯過刑罰的 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
213.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
215.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
不管是偷渡犯或刑事犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
215.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
217.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
這些大陸人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
217.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
220.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
在外面替代收容可能跟他生活在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
220.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
222.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
其實這個對於我們的社區 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
222.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
224.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
對於我們的社會治安 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
224.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
225.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
並不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
225.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
228.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
那由於是中國大陸造成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
228.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
230.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
他不把人犯遣返回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
230.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
232.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
造成我們的困局 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
232.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
235.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
所以我們今天很感謝委員這個修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
235.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
238.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
讓我們可以再延長收容 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
238.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
239.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
那就沒有這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
239.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
242.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
我們還是要把他收到移民署 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
242.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
245.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
當然會增加移民署的很多的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
245.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
247.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
我想將來這個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
247.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
250.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
也應該要增加移民署的能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
250.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
252.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
包括人力 包括經費的提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
252.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
255.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
這個移民署過去其實很有經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
255.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
259.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
過去很多大陸的偷渡客的年代到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
259.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
261.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
其實移民署還是很有經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
261.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
262.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
對於收容的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
262.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
264.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
但是我們要把它法制化 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
264.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
267.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
不要讓國安有破口 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
267.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
270.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
接下來我要跟你談兩岸直航的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
270.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
272.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
中國最近對我們喊話 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
272.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
274.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
希望台灣政府先開 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
274.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
277.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
烏魯木齊 西安 哈爾濱 昆明 蘭州 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
277.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
278.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
五個直航航點 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
278.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
283.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
請問主委他們現在對自由行開放了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
283.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
285.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
285.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
287.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
他這些五個航點 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
287.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
291.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
都還是目的在吸納我們的觀光客 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
291.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
292.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
到中國大陸去觀光 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
292.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
293.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
對 所以我的問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
293.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
298.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
這五個城市的自由行開放了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
298.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
300.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
沒有 沒有 他們只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
300.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
303.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
對 我們沒有限制我們的人飛過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
304.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
309.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
他們沒有開放烏魯木齊 西安 哈爾濱 昆明 蘭州 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
309.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
312.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
這五個城市的人可以自由行嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
312.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
315.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
開放這五個航點的意思是什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
315.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
317.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
他們只有我們的人去 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
317.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
320.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
他們的人不能自由行來 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
320.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
323.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
他們從2019年8月1號就停止 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
323.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
325.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
入客來才自由行 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
325.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
326.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
到現在還沒有恢復 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
326.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
330.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
對 那所以也有人說 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
330.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
332.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
我們應該要先包機 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
332.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
335.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
或者是如果真的有這個市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
335.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
337.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
如果國人真的很想去的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
337.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
339.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
包機我們會不會擋 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
339.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
341.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
我們就希望他們提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
341.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
343.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
比如說西安這個點 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
343.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
347.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
是我們13個包機的航點之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
347.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
350.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
如果他有這個運量 有這個市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
350.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
353.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
他應該在我們的包機去申請看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
353.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
355.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
因為我們現在的運能 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
355.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
358.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
我們航空公司可以提供的運能沒有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
358.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
361.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
所以如果他真的有運能 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
361.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
362.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
你應該提案嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
362.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
365.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
現在其實目前為止都沒有提案出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
365.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
366.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
大家要講平等 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
366.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
369.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
所以我從平等開始跟你聊 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
369.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
374.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
這五個城市也沒有開放他們的國民自由行 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
374.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
376.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
第二個 如果我們要過 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
376.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
381.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
如果這直航點或者是包機可以成行的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
381.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
384.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
也都是我們的人過去旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
384.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
388.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
他們的人不能過來嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
388.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
390.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
所以為什麼要開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
390.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
393.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
當然要包機這個沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
393.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
394.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
國人要過去玩 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
394.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
397.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
包機這個我們完全沒有反對嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
397.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
399.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
是不是這樣主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
399.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
405.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
所以其實這個還是比較政治的開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
405.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
407.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
那如果要政治的開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
407.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
410.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
如果他也開放自由行的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
410.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
414.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
那是不是大家會比較對等的可以談 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
414.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
416.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
甚至包含相關旅行業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
416.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
418.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
如果也出來可以促成的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
418.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
420.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
那陸委會的態度是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
420.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
422.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
根本報告我們在2025年 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
422.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
425.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
我們2月3號 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
425.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
429.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
我們就給他們透過我們的台旅會 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
429.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
431.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
給他們的海旅會一封信 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
431.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
434.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
我們希望就兩岸的觀光旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
434.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
437.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
就旅遊安全 旅遊品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
437.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
440.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
旅遊穩定性跟公平性坐下來談 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
440.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
442.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
我們已經呼籲那麼久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
442.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
444.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
他遲遲就是不願意來談 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
444.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
446.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
如果願意來談 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
446.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
449.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
如果談出結果我們再來開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
449.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
452.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
這個對雙方的旅遊品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
452.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
455.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
對業者對我們彼此的對接 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
455.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
459.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
有一些旅遊意外都非常好的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
459.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
461.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
但是我們很遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
461.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
463.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
他們就是不願透過小兩會來談 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
463.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
464.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
沒有回應嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
464.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
465.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
465.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
466.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
466.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
467.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
謝謝偉恩 |