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蘇巧慧 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:01,240 | 國務委員質詢 |
| 00:00:10,640 | 00:00:12,600 | 好謝謝主席我們請邱主委 |
| 00:00:18,120 | 00:00:19,120 | 主委好 |
| 00:00:19,120 | 00:00:19,920 | 主委好 |
| 00:00:19,920 | 00:00:25,000 | 主委想跟您請教一下這個中國現在有最新的法制變動 |
| 00:00:25,000 | 00:00:27,800 | 那他們在7月31日的時候 |
| 00:00:27,800 | 00:00:32,840 | 頒布了國務院關於出境入境管理規定 |
| 00:00:33,400 | 00:00:36,200 | 7月31號幾天前上個禮拜 |
| 00:00:36,200 | 00:00:39,640 | 頒布了國務院關於出境入境的管理規定 |
| 00:00:39,640 | 00:00:43,440 | 那這項規定呢其實被認為是大幅度的擴張了 |
| 00:00:43,440 | 00:00:46,720 | 中國政府限制人民出境 |
| 00:00:46,720 | 00:00:48,280 | 出境的權利 |
| 00:00:48,280 | 00:00:50,519 | 就是你人在中國了你要出境 |
| 00:00:50,519 | 00:00:52,320 | 這部分被大幅的限制 |
| 00:00:52,480 | 00:00:56,320 | 那甚至是可能連外國人士都會被受到限制 |
| 00:00:56,320 | 00:00:59,040 | 已經引發在國際上面非常多的討論 |
| 00:00:59,040 | 00:01:00,840 | 那主要的爭議的條文是什麼呢 |
| 00:01:00,840 | 00:01:02,240 | 那我舉例給大家聽 |
| 00:01:02,240 | 00:01:06,120 | 我們如果依照現在這個新的中國的規定的話 |
| 00:01:06,120 | 00:01:08,480 | 它第四條它是說 |
| 00:01:08,480 | 00:01:10,640 | 你如果是你現在人在中國 |
| 00:01:10,640 | 00:01:13,520 | 但你如果被認定你在境外 |
| 00:01:13,520 | 00:01:19,800 | 就是中國以外境外從事危害國家安全與利益活動 |
| 00:01:19,840 | 00:01:24,000 | 你可能就在六個月至三年內你會被禁止出境 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:25,200 | 你在境外 |
| 00:01:25,200 | 00:01:29,560 | 但是你還是會可能在中國裡面你會被禁止出境 |
| 00:01:29,560 | 00:01:34,920 | 好再來你如果是可能危害國家產業安全 |
| 00:01:34,920 | 00:01:36,800 | 技術安全 |
| 00:01:36,800 | 00:01:39,679 | 它也可以決定你禁止出境 |
| 00:01:39,679 | 00:01:42,880 | 然後你在你要住出境的時候 |
| 00:01:42,880 | 00:01:45,440 | 你需要配合提供文件資料 |
| 00:01:45,440 | 00:01:48,440 | 甚至是包括電子數據 |
| 00:01:48,440 | 00:01:51,880 | 好那個電子數據在中國實務執行起來以後 |
| 00:01:51,880 | 00:01:52,759 | 包括什麼呢 |
| 00:01:52,759 | 00:01:54,520 | 其實包括手機電腦 |
| 00:01:54,520 | 00:01:57,320 | 甚至你的社群媒體內容 |
| 00:01:57,320 | 00:01:59,440 | 甚至是雲端資料 |
| 00:01:59,440 | 00:02:02,679 | 都有可能成為審查的對象 |
| 00:02:02,679 | 00:02:04,880 | 所以根據這樣子的一個狀況 |
| 00:02:04,880 | 00:02:06,960 | 其實我們可以看到731之後 |
| 00:02:06,960 | 00:02:10,400 | 就非常多的外媒就包括紐約時報 |
| 00:02:10,400 | 00:02:12,200 | BBC德國之聲 |
| 00:02:12,200 | 00:02:14,480 | 法國廣播電台等等 |
| 00:02:14,519 | 00:02:17,760 | 都把它跟在7月1號的時候 |
| 00:02:17,760 | 00:02:20,399 | 所實施的這個民族團結促進法 |
| 00:02:20,399 | 00:02:21,640 | 一併連動 |
| 00:02:21,640 | 00:02:22,679 | 可以看得出來 |
| 00:02:22,679 | 00:02:24,320 | 這個是在中國呢 |
| 00:02:24,320 | 00:02:26,679 | 其實已經進入了維穩大於一切 |
| 00:02:26,679 | 00:02:27,920 | 那所以呢 |
| 00:02:27,920 | 00:02:30,239 | 他們最後的結論是說 |
| 00:02:30,239 | 00:02:37,320 | 欸這個所有的民眾進入中國的風險可能會上升 |
| 00:02:37,320 | 00:02:39,320 | 這是一個很客觀的一個評論 |
| 00:02:39,320 | 00:02:40,920 | 其實不帶任何的髒品 |
| 00:02:40,920 | 00:02:43,920 | 它就是描述了一個中國現在法治的變動 |
| 00:02:43,920 | 00:02:46,040 | 那所以因為造成這樣的結果 |
| 00:02:46,040 | 00:02:48,200 | 所以你進入中國法治的風險 |
| 00:02:48,200 | 00:02:51,200 | 你進入中國的風險有可能上升 |
| 00:02:51,200 | 00:02:52,720 | 因為你有可能出不來 |
| 00:02:52,720 | 00:02:54,399 | 主委我想請問 |
| 00:02:54,399 | 00:02:57,679 | 我們跟中國的關係往來互動其實相當的頻繁 |
| 00:02:57,679 | 00:03:01,200 | 人民也非常的這個往來互動其實是很多的 |
| 00:03:01,200 | 00:03:05,519 | 您怎麼看這樣子的一個中國法治的變動 |
| 00:03:05,519 | 00:03:08,040 | 你覺得外媒評論是否正確 |
| 00:03:08,040 | 00:03:11,480 | 你又會怎麼樣跟國人闡述現在新的狀況 |
| 00:03:11,480 | 00:03:13,600 | 謝謝維穩的指教 |
| 00:03:13,640 | 00:03:18,079 | 我今天所說的這些內容我想非常重要 |
| 00:03:18,079 | 00:03:21,200 | 那我記得委員上次也問我 |
| 00:03:21,200 | 00:03:24,680 | 這個中國大陸的人士很想來台灣玩 |
| 00:03:24,680 | 00:03:28,680 | 但是是他們的嚴格的出境管制不讓他們來 |
| 00:03:28,680 | 00:03:32,440 | 中國大陸的學生也經常打電話來陸委會說 |
| 00:03:32,440 | 00:03:34,440 | 他可不可以來台灣留學 |
| 00:03:34,440 | 00:03:37,560 | 但是你們的出境管制就是不讓他來 |
| 00:03:37,560 | 00:03:40,000 | 所以中共對他的公民 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:41,760 | 還有對外國人士 |
| 00:03:41,840 | 00:03:44,440 | 自始至終就是高度管制 |
| 00:03:44,440 | 00:03:48,280 | 隨時都可以禁止入出境 |
| 00:03:48,280 | 00:03:50,280 | 那據我們了解 |
| 00:03:50,280 | 00:03:52,920 | 中共的這些人士 |
| 00:03:52,920 | 00:03:55,239 | 中共的這些公民 |
| 00:03:55,239 | 00:03:57,840 | 取得他們的護照大概不到兩成 |
| 00:03:57,840 | 00:04:01,959 | 就是說他嚴格的控管他們人民的出境 |
| 00:04:01,959 | 00:04:04,280 | 那我們這次那個 |
| 00:04:04,280 | 00:04:07,760 | 我們了解這次公布的入出境的新規 |
| 00:04:07,799 | 00:04:12,679 | 他也是說在既有的前置人民的這些手段上 |
| 00:04:12,679 | 00:04:16,519 | 加上一個法治化的外衣而已 |
| 00:04:16,519 | 00:04:18,760 | 而且剛剛委員講的很清楚 |
| 00:04:18,760 | 00:04:22,240 | 就是說充滿各種不確定的法律概念 |
| 00:04:22,240 | 00:04:26,039 | 而且認定要件非常模糊寬泛 |
| 00:04:26,039 | 00:04:29,120 | 而且留意各種主管機關的任意性 |
| 00:04:29,120 | 00:04:31,320 | 我說你不能出去就不能出去 |
| 00:04:31,320 | 00:04:33,719 | 我說你不能進來就不能進來 |
| 00:04:33,719 | 00:04:37,719 | 人民的權利無法受到明確的法律保障 |
| 00:04:37,760 | 00:04:42,240 | 這才是剛剛委員所說造成恐慌的根本原因 |
| 00:04:42,240 | 00:04:46,360 | 那麼9月15號剛好進入中國大陸10月份 |
| 00:04:46,360 | 00:04:49,760 | 他有五中全會 |
| 00:04:49,760 | 00:04:51,360 | 維穩大於一切 |
| 00:04:51,360 | 00:04:56,280 | 加上習近平要在明年要延任 |
| 00:04:56,280 | 00:05:00,480 | 所以他很多的控管 |
| 00:05:00,480 | 00:05:03,440 | 這個人民遷徙的自由 |
| 00:05:03,440 | 00:05:05,880 | 這手段會更加的嚴厲 |
| 00:05:05,920 | 00:05:09,120 | 那其實我們可以看到最近北京當局 |
| 00:05:09,120 | 00:05:13,240 | 這幾年就是很多的國家安全無限上綱 |
| 00:05:13,240 | 00:05:15,159 | 頻繁修訂各種的法令 |
| 00:05:15,159 | 00:05:16,240 | 這也是其中之一 |
| 00:05:16,240 | 00:05:18,120 | 對這樣子 |
| 00:05:18,120 | 00:05:21,520 | 我跟您在互相就教一下討論一下 |
| 00:05:21,520 | 00:05:22,680 | 上一次的質詢 |
| 00:05:22,680 | 00:05:24,800 | 您剛剛講到我上一次的質詢 |
| 00:05:24,800 | 00:05:27,719 | 我上一次的質詢其實是跟您說 |
| 00:05:27,719 | 00:05:34,760 | 我希望陸委會既然是在台灣處理兩岸之間的關係 |
| 00:05:34,760 | 00:05:37,760 | 所以我們要能夠清楚的讓我們自己的國民 |
| 00:05:37,760 | 00:05:41,039 | 能夠了解現在對岸對我們的態度 |
| 00:05:41,039 | 00:05:43,240 | 客觀的事實主觀的態度 |
| 00:05:43,240 | 00:05:45,400 | 都讓我們可以清楚的了解 |
| 00:05:45,400 | 00:05:47,480 | 我覺得這是政府的責任 |
| 00:05:47,480 | 00:05:50,560 | 那麼一旦能夠清楚的了解所有的資訊之後 |
| 00:05:50,560 | 00:05:53,080 | 國民做什麼判斷做什麼決定 |
| 00:05:53,080 | 00:05:55,640 | 當然我們是民主自由法治的國家 |
| 00:05:55,640 | 00:05:57,960 | 我們交給人民來做決定 |
| 00:05:57,960 | 00:06:00,039 | 所以我要求的是政府部門 |
| 00:06:00,039 | 00:06:03,320 | 尤其陸委會要有提供清楚的資訊 |
| 00:06:03,360 | 00:06:05,719 | 明確的態度就這樣子 |
| 00:06:05,719 | 00:06:07,560 | 但是交給人民做決定 |
| 00:06:07,560 | 00:06:10,159 | 所以上一次在面對前一位委員 |
| 00:06:10,159 | 00:06:12,719 | 在說你們都不讓入客來 |
| 00:06:12,719 | 00:06:14,120 | 我們也不去 |
| 00:06:14,120 | 00:06:14,800 | 這些事 |
| 00:06:14,800 | 00:06:16,520 | 我說這是事實嗎 |
| 00:06:16,520 | 00:06:17,640 | 如果這不是事實 |
| 00:06:17,640 | 00:06:18,280 | 你在台上 |
| 00:06:18,280 | 00:06:20,960 | 你應該就三句話很清楚的告訴大家 |
| 00:06:20,960 | 00:06:21,840 | 入客不來 |
| 00:06:21,840 | 00:06:22,840 | 我們不去 |
| 00:06:22,840 | 00:06:23,840 | 兩岸不交流 |
| 00:06:23,840 | 00:06:25,280 | 這不是事實 |
| 00:06:25,280 | 00:06:28,039 | 這是對岸不給他們的人民來 |
| 00:06:28,039 | 00:06:29,760 | 我們去的人這麼多 |
| 00:06:29,760 | 00:06:32,200 | 平常大家也都互相有在交流 |
| 00:06:32,200 | 00:06:34,680 | 這個才是大家明確看到的事實 |
| 00:06:34,680 | 00:06:36,360 | 你不能轉一個彎之後 |
| 00:06:36,360 | 00:06:37,880 | 變成在公開論述的時候 |
| 00:06:37,880 | 00:06:41,240 | 變成是一種宣傳式的語言 |
| 00:06:41,240 | 00:06:42,840 | 和事實相對 |
| 00:06:42,840 | 00:06:43,280 | 好 |
| 00:06:43,280 | 00:06:45,120 | 可是 |
| 00:06:45,120 | 00:06:48,240 | 我要求的是明確的事實 |
| 00:06:48,240 | 00:06:49,159 | 客觀的事實 |
| 00:06:49,159 | 00:06:50,120 | 明確的態度 |
| 00:06:50,120 | 00:06:52,200 | 那今天我在問你的這個部分 |
| 00:06:52,200 | 00:06:54,240 | 其實是對於法治 |
| 00:06:54,240 | 00:06:56,080 | 中國法治的變更 |
| 00:06:56,080 | 00:06:57,520 | 我也是希望您 |
| 00:06:57,520 | 00:07:00,120 | 不需要用其他髒皮的態度 |
| 00:07:00,160 | 00:07:02,360 | 你就告訴大家明確的事實 |
| 00:07:02,360 | 00:07:02,880 | 一 |
| 00:07:02,880 | 00:07:04,760 | 中國有沒有改變規定 |
| 00:07:04,760 | 00:07:06,080 | 答案是有 |
| 00:07:06,080 | 00:07:06,560 | 第二 |
| 00:07:06,560 | 00:07:07,840 | 中國改變的規定 |
| 00:07:07,840 | 00:07:10,680 | 有沒有更嚴格的限制了 |
| 00:07:10,680 | 00:07:12,000 | 人民 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:13,480 | 不分中國人民 |
| 00:07:13,480 | 00:07:14,840 | 甚至是境外人士 |
| 00:07:14,840 | 00:07:16,040 | 外國人士 |
| 00:07:16,040 | 00:07:17,920 | 在進出中國的限制 |
| 00:07:17,920 | 00:07:18,800 | 有沒有 |
| 00:07:18,800 | 00:07:21,640 | 有沒有包括連對外國人士的進出 |
| 00:07:21,640 | 00:07:23,840 | 都產生更嚴格的限制 |
| 00:07:23,840 | 00:07:25,440 | 答案是有 |
| 00:07:25,440 | 00:07:26,120 | 有 |
| 00:07:26,120 | 00:07:28,880 | 因為連外媒都已經指出了 |
| 00:07:28,920 | 00:07:30,400 | 現在的這個規定是 |
| 00:07:30,400 | 00:07:32,120 | 你這個人只要是在中國 |
| 00:07:32,120 | 00:07:33,920 | 你對於中國有 |
| 00:07:33,920 | 00:07:36,480 | 他所規定的 |
| 00:07:36,480 | 00:07:38,600 | 危害國家安全利益 |
| 00:07:38,600 | 00:07:41,360 | 危害國家產業安全技術安全 |
| 00:07:41,360 | 00:07:41,920 | 等等 |
| 00:07:41,920 | 00:07:44,200 | 你就有可能被限制出境 |
| 00:07:44,200 | 00:07:45,520 | 你不能離開中國 |
| 00:07:45,520 | 00:07:47,440 | 這是很明確的法規規定 |
| 00:07:47,440 | 00:07:48,080 | 第三 |
| 00:07:48,080 | 00:07:51,000 | 什麼叫做危害國家安全和利益 |
| 00:07:51,000 | 00:07:54,600 | 什麼叫做危害國家產業和技術安全 |
| 00:07:54,600 | 00:07:57,960 | 這就是不確定的法律概念 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:07:59,080 | 這個很清楚 |
| 00:07:59,080 | 00:08:00,400 | 這個不帶任何彰品 |
| 00:08:00,400 | 00:08:02,880 | 這就是明確客觀的事實 |
| 00:08:02,880 | 00:08:05,520 | 所以中國現在的狀況是 |
| 00:08:05,520 | 00:08:09,440 | 他用了一個非常不確定的法律概念 |
| 00:08:09,440 | 00:08:10,760 | 來對 |
| 00:08:10,760 | 00:08:13,560 | 只要在中國境內的不分中國籍或 |
| 00:08:13,560 | 00:08:14,880 | 其他國籍的人士 |
| 00:08:14,880 | 00:08:16,400 | 都進行嚴格的控管 |
| 00:08:16,400 | 00:08:18,840 | 所以我在這裡問你的結論就是 |
| 00:08:18,840 | 00:08:21,159 | 請問所有的人在進出中國 |
| 00:08:21,159 | 00:08:22,000 | 進入中國的時候 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:23,599 | 風險有沒有上升 |
| 00:08:23,599 | 00:08:24,919 | 我想是非常明顯 |
| 00:08:24,919 | 00:08:25,679 | 當然是有 |
| 00:08:25,720 | 00:08:27,840 | 這個不用再帶任何的爭辯 |
| 00:08:27,840 | 00:08:29,400 | 也不用有任何的情緒 |
| 00:08:29,400 | 00:08:31,080 | 答案就是有 |
| 00:08:31,080 | 00:08:33,159 | 所以我的要求其實就是 |
| 00:08:33,159 | 00:08:34,120 | 我認為 |
| 00:08:34,120 | 00:08:35,000 | 我們對中國 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:37,159 | 當然有非常複雜的關係 |
| 00:08:37,159 | 00:08:40,000 | 我們中國和中國有千絲萬縷的關係 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:41,240 | 中國對我們 |
| 00:08:41,240 | 00:08:42,440 | 我們對中國 |
| 00:08:42,440 | 00:08:44,600 | 其實我們的態度反而很明確 |
| 00:08:44,600 | 00:08:46,640 | 我們自始至終只是要求 |
| 00:08:46,640 | 00:08:48,680 | 如果我們鼓勵 |
| 00:08:48,680 | 00:08:50,120 | 不在政治目的的互動 |
| 00:08:50,120 | 00:08:52,440 | 我們要求有平等互惠的互動 |
| 00:08:52,440 | 00:08:54,440 | 就這麼清楚而已 |
| 00:08:54,480 | 00:08:56,280 | 所以在這個交流當中 |
| 00:08:56,280 | 00:08:57,800 | 陸委會您就有責任 |
| 00:08:57,800 | 00:08:59,040 | 要告訴台灣 |
| 00:08:59,040 | 00:09:00,400 | 我們自己的國民 |
| 00:09:00,400 | 00:09:02,240 | 我們現在進入中國 |
| 00:09:02,240 | 00:09:05,680 | 有新的事實變動發生了 |
| 00:09:05,680 | 00:09:06,520 | 你進去以後 |
| 00:09:06,520 | 00:09:07,760 | 你可能會出不來 |
| 00:09:07,760 | 00:09:09,800 | 因為他現在有一個新的法規規定 |
| 00:09:09,800 | 00:09:10,200 | 就是這樣 |
| 00:09:10,200 | 00:09:12,560 | 而且9月15號要實施 |
| 00:09:12,560 | 00:09:13,400 | 是不是 |
| 00:09:13,400 | 00:09:15,760 | 所以這沒有什麼好爭辯的 |
| 00:09:15,760 | 00:09:18,000 | 我們在描述的是一個客觀的事實 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 陸委會應該把握每一個機會 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:22,080 | 告訴全體的國人 |
| 00:09:22,080 | 00:09:23,760 | 對岸就是如此 |
| 00:09:23,760 | 00:09:26,840 | 他和我們不同之處也在於如此 |
| 00:09:26,840 | 00:09:29,120 | 所以大家可以自己做判斷 |
| 00:09:29,120 | 00:09:32,040 | 但是我們會全力守護國人的安全 |
| 00:09:32,040 | 00:09:33,520 | 陸委會你同意這樣的說法嗎 |
| 00:09:33,520 | 00:09:35,120 | 謝謝委員 |
| 00:09:35,120 | 00:09:37,600 | 我想我們還是要呼籲國人 |
| 00:09:37,600 | 00:09:39,680 | 兩岸關係跌宕起伏 |
| 00:09:39,680 | 00:09:42,520 | 但是我們對於國人的人身安全 |
| 00:09:42,520 | 00:09:44,160 | 都是重中之重 |
| 00:09:44,160 | 00:09:45,040 | 我們呼籲國人 |
| 00:09:45,040 | 00:09:47,640 | 復活前應該要審慎評估 |
| 00:09:47,640 | 00:09:49,840 | 充分了解中共法規環境 |
| 00:09:49,840 | 00:09:51,200 | 及可能的風險 |
| 00:09:51,240 | 00:09:53,760 | 避免人身安全受害 |
| 00:09:53,760 | 00:09:55,440 | 這是我們不斷的呼籲 |
| 00:09:55,440 | 00:09:57,600 | 我們也會透過各種的平台 |
| 00:09:57,600 | 00:09:59,360 | 他9月15號就會實施了 |
| 00:09:59,360 | 00:09:59,840 | 是不是 |
| 00:09:59,840 | 00:10:01,120 | 會不斷的一直說明 |
| 00:10:01,120 | 00:10:02,240 | 對不斷的說明 |
| 00:10:02,240 | 00:10:04,080 | 因為現在這個什麼叫做國家 |
| 00:10:04,080 | 00:10:05,520 | 你甚至是你看上次的話 |
| 00:10:05,520 | 00:10:07,880 | 2023年發生了一本書說 |
| 00:10:07,880 | 00:10:09,560 | 描寫崇禎皇帝的歷史 |
| 00:10:09,560 | 00:10:11,040 | 結果大家突然間說 |
| 00:10:11,040 | 00:10:13,520 | 這可能是影射習近平 |
| 00:10:13,520 | 00:10:14,680 | 所以那本書就不見了 |
| 00:10:14,680 | 00:10:16,040 | 被消失下架了 |
| 00:10:16,040 | 00:10:17,480 | 然後最新的一個例子是 |
| 00:10:17,480 | 00:10:19,480 | 有一個青少年滅狗 |
| 00:10:20,440 | 00:10:21,920 | 網路引起軒然大波 |
| 00:10:21,920 | 00:10:23,880 | 網友群情激憤來抗議 |
| 00:10:23,880 | 00:10:26,440 | 抗議到最後因為世界弄太大了 |
| 00:10:26,440 | 00:10:27,800 | 突然之間這個影片 |
| 00:10:27,800 | 00:10:29,480 | 就是被全部下架 |
| 00:10:29,480 | 00:10:31,040 | 這個影片跟政治有關係嗎 |
| 00:10:31,040 | 00:10:31,440 | 沒有 |
| 00:10:31,440 | 00:10:32,480 | 他只是激動了 |
| 00:10:32,480 | 00:10:34,840 | 可能攪動了中國的內部的氣氛 |
| 00:10:34,840 | 00:10:36,760 | 這樣的東西也是被箝制 |
| 00:10:36,760 | 00:10:37,520 | 你這樣的東西 |
| 00:10:37,520 | 00:10:38,560 | 有沒有可能被認為是 |
| 00:10:38,560 | 00:10:40,680 | 危害國家秩序安全 |
| 00:10:40,680 | 00:10:41,840 | 答案是有 |
| 00:10:41,840 | 00:10:44,320 | 因為他在中國的處置上面是 |
| 00:10:44,320 | 00:10:46,280 | 這個影片被要求下架 |
| 00:10:46,280 | 00:10:47,160 | 不是被要求 |
| 00:10:47,160 | 00:10:48,480 | 他是直接下架 |
| 00:10:48,520 | 00:10:49,760 | 是這樣的狀況 |
| 00:10:49,760 | 00:10:52,240 | 所以對岸和我們現在的狀況 |
| 00:10:52,240 | 00:10:54,960 | 就是處在完全不同的法治層次上面 |
| 00:10:54,960 | 00:10:56,480 | 所以大家的想像 |
| 00:10:56,480 | 00:10:57,840 | 不能用我們自己的態度 |
| 00:10:57,840 | 00:10:59,400 | 去想像對岸的態度 |
| 00:10:59,400 | 00:11:00,640 | 所以在這樣的狀況下 |
| 00:11:00,640 | 00:11:02,240 | 你要選擇什麼樣的狀態 |
| 00:11:02,240 | 00:11:04,240 | 要選擇什麼樣的生活型態 |
| 00:11:04,240 | 00:11:06,040 | 這就是我們應該給國人 |
| 00:11:06,040 | 00:11:08,560 | 明確的資訊 |
| 00:11:08,560 | 00:11:09,160 | 市務主委 |
| 00:11:09,160 | 00:11:10,720 | 我是希望陸委會能夠 |
| 00:11:10,720 | 00:11:12,560 | 更客觀的提供更多的事實 |
| 00:11:12,560 | 00:11:14,200 | 不斷的給國人參考 |
| 00:11:14,200 | 00:11:15,240 | 謝謝委員 |