| IVOD_ID |
170825 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170825 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-05T10:34:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-05T11:02:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:28:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d053bb9b075f6aeae3bce8928dd31b39cd75ebd3fcd1029c9e152d6567b454d32cf89a319f4586af5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳菁徽 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:34:07 - 11:02:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：（上午9時起）
邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院食品安全辦公室、教育部、國防部、經濟部、台灣糖業股份有限公司及行政院消費者保護處就「從致癌油事件發展迄今，中央一味『蓋牌、吃案、當門神』有關行政究責之重做完整調查報告(含台糖失職、食安警訊斷鏈責任、團體訴訟求償進度)及未來如何確保安全無虞的國軍團膳、學生營養午餐」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
（下午2時30分起，若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開）
一、審查行政院函請審議「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、繼續審查委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十四條及第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
三、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
四、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第四條條文修正草案」案。
......（完整內容，詳見議事日程）
二十、審查委員許宇甄等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
二十一、審查委員郭國文等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十八條之一條文修正草案」案。
二十二、審查國民黨黨團擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十三、審查委員黃健豪等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十四、審查委員廖偉翔等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。
二十五、審查委員李彥秀等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十六、審查委員羅智強等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十七、審查委員盧縣一等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十八、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十九、審查委員許宇甄等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十、審查委員王育敏等25人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十一、審查委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十二、審查委員林月琴等24人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十三、審查委員林淑芬等21人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十五、審查委員李坤城等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十六、審查委員黃秀芳等21人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十七、審查委員劉建國等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
【逐條討論，不詢答】
【第二十至二十二案，如經復議則不予審查；第一案及第二十三至三十七案，如未經院會交付本會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意） |
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謝謝主席 |
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謝謝各位官員的出席 還有委員的出席 |
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我想請石部長 江署長 還有徐副主任 |
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請石部長 江署長 徐署長 |
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好 委員好 |
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好 當然我覺得你們捲入這個風波啦 |
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我也感到非常遺憾 |
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如果有議員已經告發你們瀆職 |
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有石部長 有江署長 還有昨天加了台唐的董事長 |
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那議員昨天已經保全了證據 |
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比如說會議的影音檔 或者是監視器 |
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那之後呢 這些基層的人員 |
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今天名字有被披露在報紙上 |
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應該也會被一一叫去詢問 |
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關於這個會議的內容 |
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那再來應該也會傳在羈押裡面 |
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這個總經理 還有廠長去做詢問 |
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所以今天這個議員也在看這段質詢 |
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今天的答詢非常重要 |
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一定要誠實的面對國人 誠實的報告 |
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那我們先請江署長 |
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委員好 |
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江署長 因為您上週不在 |
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所以石部長幫您回覆了非常多的問題 |
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可是從我們今天揭露這個的資訊啦 |
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報紙上看到的資訊 |
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我們發現您才是這場會議的主持人 |
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這場會議是決定了這個20%以上下架 |
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20%以上可以保留 |
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那另外呢 石部長也在上週幫您回答說 |
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這個業者是有在這場會議中討論復工 |
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那我想問一下 |
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因為石部長上禮拜是回覆這個會議分上下長次 |
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可是我們今天所有人印象中 |
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都停留在會議分上下長次 |
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這個哪邊看得出來分上下長次 |
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報告委員 這個會議分成兩個議題 |
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第一個是檢視整個中聯這次的問題 |
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所以我們請了專家來在油品的部分 |
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製程的部分做進一步的說明 |
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那第二個部分呢 就是針對我們根據106年 |
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下架回收的產品 並且下架階層 |
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我們是定在 因為是衛生安全標準 |
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所以是屬於第八類 |
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所以是在下架在一層 |
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就是製程中聯製程扶壽扶茂太山的油品的部分 |
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所以在7月 我們確定了第一層的 |
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159 |
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第一層我們看到有不同的聲音 |
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159 |
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尤其7月3號媒體上面其實在討論 |
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162 |
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我們很清楚的 我們對於 |
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166 |
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其實江市長 |
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166 |
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169 |
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所以我們再重新思考第二個議題 |
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169 |
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174 |
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你只需要問出你會議到底有沒有分上下兩場 |
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174 |
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176 |
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因為石部長上週幫你回答 |
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176 |
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會議分上下兩場 |
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178 |
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181 |
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應該是說 我們會議裡面有兩個重要議題 |
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181 |
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上面第一個議題是 |
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183 |
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185 |
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我們去中聯相關的 |
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185 |
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187 |
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他本身的製程的是不是有議題 |
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187 |
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189 |
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專家來協助 |
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189 |
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191 |
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下半場我們針對說 |
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191 |
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194 |
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第一層下架之下 是不是要往下走 |
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194 |
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195 |
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所以這邊特別提到 |
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195 |
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197 |
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廠商幾點離開 |
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197 |
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198 |
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廠商幾點離開 |
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198 |
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201 |
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這個會議從3點開到5點 |
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201 |
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203 |
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廠商幾點離開 |
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203 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
205 |
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廠商應該是有在我們現場 |
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205 |
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206 |
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可是在我們第二層的 |
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206 |
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208 |
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廠商全程都在現場 |
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208 |
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209 |
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沒有 |
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209 |
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212 |
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廠商是在我們的會議討論的過程當中 |
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212 |
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214 |
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他進入我們的會議的議場 |
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214 |
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216 |
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做完說明之後呢 |
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216 |
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218 |
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我們繼續在討論後續的時候 |
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218 |
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220 |
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沒有讓廠商做任何的發言 |
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220 |
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223 |
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我們是在做第二層的一些思考 |
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223 |
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225 |
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該如何去做大的討論 |
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225 |
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226 |
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你只要告訴我們 |
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226 |
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229 |
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因為你剛剛時事長也講得很輕鬆 |
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229 |
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232 |
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他今天就會公佈全部的會議記錄 |
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232 |
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234 |
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王毓民委員要求他 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
234 |
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235 |
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在今天委員會結束以前 |
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235 |
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237 |
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印出給所有的委員 |
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237 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
239 |
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所有的國人 |
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239 |
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241 |
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所以你沒有什麼好隱瞞的了 |
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241 |
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242 |
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你只要告訴我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
242 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
246 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
廠商幾點到幾點在現場 |
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246 |
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248 |
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我們現在很明顯看到紀錄上 |
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248 |
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250 |
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有委員會你們的同仁 |
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250 |
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252 |
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還有食藥署的副署長 |
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252 |
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255 |
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還有食品組的十幾位同仁 |
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255 |
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258 |
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相信這些人很快就可以回憶起來 |
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258 |
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260 |
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廠商幾點到幾點在現場 |
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260 |
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263 |
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廠商有沒有聽到你們在討論 |
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263 |
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267 |
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20%上架下架的原則 |
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267 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
268 |
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跟委員做報告 |
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268 |
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270 |
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因為這整個記錄是透明的 |
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270 |
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272 |
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我們待會今天部長也承諾 |
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272 |
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273 |
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其實你現在 |
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273 |
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275 |
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所以我等於是說他 |
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275 |
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279 |
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我等一下尋答結束前 |
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279 |
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281 |
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你告訴我就可以 |
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281 |
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283 |
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就可以因為上禮拜時部長 |
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283 |
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285 |
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他應該是在這個會議 |
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285 |
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287 |
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整個會議的過程中 |
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287 |
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288 |
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我們結束的時候 |
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288 |
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289 |
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他其實有在現場的 |
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289 |
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292 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
他但是沒有進入任何的討論 |
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292 |
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293 |
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有關於我們第二階層 |
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293 |
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294 |
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好啦很明顯了 |
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294 |
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297 |
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所以廠商跟著你們到會議結束 |
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297 |
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299 |
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徐副也是這樣看到的嗎 |
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299 |
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301 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
徐副主任 |
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301 |
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303 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
廠商從頭到尾都跟你們在一起 |
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303 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
305 |
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你們在決策的時候 |
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305 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
306 |
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他們也都聽到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
306 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
307 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
只是他們不能發言 |
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307 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
309 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
是這樣嗎徐副主任 |
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309 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
310 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
廠商都在 |
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310 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
311 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
全程都在 |
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311 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
314 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
他進來之後全都在 |
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314 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
316 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
那他沒有發言 |
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316 |
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318 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
但是我們那個會議是建議 |
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318 |
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320 |
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並不是決策 |
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321 |
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323 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
所以時部長 |
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323 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
324 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
你害到你同事了 |
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324 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
328 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
你上禮拜說廠商中間請他離開 |
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328 |
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330 |
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現在旁邊兩個一個主持會議 |
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330 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
331 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
一個參加會議的人說 |
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331 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
334 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
廠商全程都在 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
334 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
337 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
那我們再問江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
337 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
339 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
好我跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
339 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
我要問江署長 |
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341 |
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344 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
江署長你幾月幾日知道 |
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344 |
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348 |
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台糖的這個事件14.8PPB |
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348 |
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350 |
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你幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
351 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
354 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
我的印象是在7月 |
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354 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
356 |
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應該是7月十幾號 |
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356 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
358 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
加進15號以後 |
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358 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
約這個時間 |
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359 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
361 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
是因為我們的同仁們 |
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361 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
再次去進入台糖 |
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363 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
366 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
進入中聯去看他所有的油 |
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366 |
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368 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
去看所有油的時候 |
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368 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
369 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
我們調查 |
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369 |
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373 |
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7月初其實就已經下架了之後 |
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373 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
374 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
我們去做調查 |
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374 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
376 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
所以參加調查之前 |
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376 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
377 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
我們也做了調查 |
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377 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
379 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
所以你們7月十幾號 |
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379 |
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380 |
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就已經知道台糖 |
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380 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
有這一批超標7倍的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
384 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
這個這樣子說 |
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384 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
386 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
這個油剛才提到 |
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386 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
我剛才後面認識的 |
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387 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
389 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
很像有那個初交原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
389 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
那兩個是長得不太一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
391 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
沒關係啦 |
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391 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
392 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
所以我的意思是說 |
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392 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
395 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
7月中你就知道有這個油 |
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395 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
397 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
你8月1號還要叫大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
397 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
398 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
去問高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
398 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
399 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
是什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
400 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
我說的意思是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
403 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
因為這個油 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
403 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
405 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
並不是我們在管制的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
405 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
407 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
所以我不曉得這個油 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
407 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
408 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
後來它的去向在 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
408 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
410 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
我們後來確定它是在 |
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410 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
原來的油槽裡面 |
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411 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
412 |
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還有1000多噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
414 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
都在裡面沒有移動 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
414 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
這是我們後面才了解才知道 |
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416 |
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419 |
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我們了解的是油是成為成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
油品裡面的30P的油 |
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421 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
4到6月的我們很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
426 |
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所以第一上面的油是不太一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
其實這個邏輯很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
您8月1號的時候認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
要問高雄市政府嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
表示您認為高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
應該是這個您後來不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
去向的油的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
不然您不會第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
食藥署的回覆給媒體是 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
請媒體去問高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
這個不能就這樣子說 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
448 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
因為這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
448 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
台糖也並沒有跟我們講 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
我們也不清楚這個油 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
到底在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
所以它也不屬於這個範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
我們的管理的範圍內 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
458 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
所以跟委員們特別澄清 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
458 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
460 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
剛剛徐府主任有提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
460 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
464 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
這場會議所有的中聯關係人全部在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
464 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
專家說真的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
但是討論出來他說是一個建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
並不是決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
471 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
剛剛徐府主任講的非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
471 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
最後做出20%以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
要下架的決策是誰做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
誰做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
因為您是主持這個會議的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
我想專家會議裡面我們邀請來 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
根據我們知道的整個的各國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
其實跟我們一樣嚴格的韓國跟歐盟 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
面對油品在這一類是同樣的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
你只要告訴我誰決策的 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
所以我們在第二層是特殊的情形下 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
是誰決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
這些都已經大家很熟了 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
誰決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
整個專家給予建議完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
我對於會議的結論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
我有做猜測 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
514 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
原來專家整體的會議是這樣子的結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
514 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
所以結論是 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
參考專家學者意見是您決策的 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
專家學者做出的這個會議的結論是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
所以進一步這個會議結論是 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
達到這樣子的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
好 了解 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
那就請徐主任先回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
徐主任回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
市務長 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
上禮拜我在這邊說 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
我想要會計錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
也想要中聯在裡面練習的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
跟你們報告了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
中聯可以知道這些學者名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
可是你這個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
我7月30所資 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
當場你跟我說會後馬上會給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
550 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
我7月30跟您要 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
中聯到底在你們的20%會議裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
呈現了哪些資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
因為它也有可能影響到 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
你後續專家學者的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
人民也想知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
我們國會議員也想知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
你為什麼到現在還不能給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
你什麼時候要給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
570 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
各位說明我那天就已經提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
570 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
這個全部的資料都送給檢調 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
因為這包含了 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
當時候發生這個會議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
並沒有檢調還沒有把 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
這個相關的人等列為他的嫌疑人 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
587 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
所以當時候是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
587 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
後面既然已經列入了是嫌疑人 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
592 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
當然我們就把這所有的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
592 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
都移送給檢調一併查明 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
所以當時我的處理是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
你上週跟王毓民委員說 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
600 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
你送檢調 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
600 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
幾月幾號送檢調 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
非常早就送檢調 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
送檢調跟給我們看給全國人民看 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
不衝突啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
中聯在你們會議報告了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
我們不能知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
不衝突啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
不衝突啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
我們現在在調查的是行政責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
檢調在調查的是刑事責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
跟委員說明沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
今天就會發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
今天把中聯在你們的會議上的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
給全部的委員還有會議紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
給全部的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
我看你們的吹哨子也到越來越多了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
因為我們之前都已經陸續提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
給一些所知的委員了 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
所以我們這一次就乾脆把它發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
646 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
以正視聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
646 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
648 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
我們也要中聯報告的那份資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
648 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
在這邊一定要講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
652 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
因為我已經要了一個禮拜了 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
652 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
中聯報告的 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
就是在會上提供的 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
就是7月3號在台中市 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
661 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
還有你們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
661 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
就給我們嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
你壓了一個禮拜幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
他那一天就已經都有檔案了 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
667 |
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就是在7月3號 |
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667 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
在台中市所提供的那一份資料 |
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669 |
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671 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
這邊因為台中 |
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671 |
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673 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
他裁罰了中聯跟福茂 |
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673 |
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675 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
各罰300萬 |
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675 |
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677 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
因為沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
679 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
超標7倍的這些致癌油 |
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679 |
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681 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
那你認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
台中市政府用食安法第七條第五項 |
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685 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
688 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
去做這兩家廠商的裁罰嗎 |
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688 |
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690 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
中聯福茂 |
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690 |
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694 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
福茂拿的是產品 |
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694 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
中聯出來的那個已經是實用油脂了 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
700 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
它不是脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
700 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
它交給福茂的是實用油脂 |
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703 |
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705 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
實用油脂是產品 |
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705 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
709 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
所以是符合我們的食安法第七條 |
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709 |
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710 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
應該通報的對象 |
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710 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
所以處分福茂是這個道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
中聯也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
它的成品被南僑驗出超標 |
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718 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
而且通報給福壽 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
722 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
福壽在告辭中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
722 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
我在講的是8月3號晚上 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
725 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
哪一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
725 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
8月3號晚上 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
727 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
我在講的是8月3號晚上 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
732 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
一案歸一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
732 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
這個是台中的新案 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
這是台中市政府的處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
這個是他們的處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
那看他們自己的理由是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
746 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
他要查清楚之後才去開罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
746 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
你剛剛不是把中聯講的很糟糕嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
你現在不認同他們的裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
752 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
中聯很糟糕 |
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752 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
753 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
福茂也很糟糕 |
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753 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
你不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
我沒有說我不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
758 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
我需要去理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
758 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
台中市政府的開罰是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
他是針對哪一家去開罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
我寫在旁邊給你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
766 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
5月未通報 |
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766 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
769 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
台糖採購原料異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
769 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
台中市府再各罰300萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
772 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
採購原料異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
776 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
那他是指他採購黃豆異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
776 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
778 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
還是採購什麼異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
778 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
780 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
中聯是採購的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
780 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
中聯的原料是黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
788 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
那他是罰他黃豆的採購異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
788 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
他們是在罰他台糖5月的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
794 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
往回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
794 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
你所謂的這批 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
你現在口中不肯承認是原料的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
802 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
回報福茂還有中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
802 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
但是他們兩個沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
808 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
我剛剛在報告裡面講的很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
808 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
如果就這個食用油脂的製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
黃豆是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
脫膠原油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
814 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
你只要告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
818 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
我就問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
818 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
820 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
因為你是主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
820 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
最中央最高的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
827 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
現在中聯福茂知道台糖拿到了一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
827 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
830 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
現在你口中不承認是原料的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
830 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
833 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
沒有告訴中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
833 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
836 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
沒有告訴地方政府被罰了 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
836 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
838 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
你認不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
840 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
841 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
你認不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
841 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
843 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
所有的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
843 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
845 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
不論是中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
845 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
847 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
都要依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
847 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
851 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
所有的處分都要具名的 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
851 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
853 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
他的法源依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
853 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
856 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
跟裁罰的原因跟理由 |
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856 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
857 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
你講的很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
857 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
858 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
你認不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
858 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
861 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
還是你要說你不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
861 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
864 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
我會聘請台中市政府來跟我報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
864 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
867 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
委員關心你們的裁罰依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
867 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
869 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
請來這個衛福部報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
869 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
871 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
裁罰依據已經寫在上面給你看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
871 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
873 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
沒有我們需要看到裁處書 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
873 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
876 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
裁處書才是裁罰依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
877 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
879 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
所以你現在還沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
879 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
882 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
下判斷你認同會不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
882 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
885 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
這個對委員的詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
885 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
我非常的重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
889 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
所以我必須把所有的事情搞清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
889 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
891 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
我會請台中市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
891 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
892 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
因為委員的關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
892 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
894 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
我請他來跟我報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
894 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
895 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
下一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
895 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
896 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
我們請台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
896 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
898 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
今天是總經理來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
898 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
899 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
今天是 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
899 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
900 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
904 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
906 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
剛剛食物長不想回答的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
906 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
908 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
其實蠻簡單的 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
908 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
910 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
如果他有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
910 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
913 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
我們後面這些過去幾個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
913 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
916 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
過去一個月吃下的 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
916 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
919 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
接近三萬噸的毒油 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
919 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
921 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
也許不會出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
921 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
923 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
這麼簡單的道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
924 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
926 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
926 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
928 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
你的梗圖都在做葉片 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
928 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
929 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
你拿油上來幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
929 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
931 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
你就拿葉片上來就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
931 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
934 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
這邊問你一個簡單的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
936 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
939 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
葉片跟致癌油可以類比嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
939 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
941 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
葉片是用眼睛看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
941 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
945 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
致癌油是你們用外面的檢驗機器 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
945 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
948 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
公正的驗出來的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
948 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
950 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
14PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
950 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
你們到底在寫什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
956 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
葉片是用眼睛看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
956 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
959 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
致癌油是致癌油 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
959 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
961 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
961 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
962 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
餐廳 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
962 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
964 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
經濟部也上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
969 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
971 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
次長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
973 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
975 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
975 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
977 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
還有我們台糖的長官 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
977 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
979 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
你們想要告訴人民什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
979 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
982 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
葉片跟致癌油一樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
982 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
985 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
你們想說的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
985 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
989 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
台糖依規依法 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
989 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
991 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
來進行辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
991 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
993 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
那我們可以看到這位黃豆的初一 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
993 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
994 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
994 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
995 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
我再問葉片 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
995 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
996 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
我們沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
996 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
997 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
997 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
998 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
他沒有回答我的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
998 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
1000 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
而且我也不想看到油在桌上 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
1000 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
1002 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
可以把油拿下去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
1002 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
1005 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
油等你等一下自己專題報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
1005 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
1007 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
再拿上來就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
1008 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
1010 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
我只是在問你們兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
1010 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
1013 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
經濟部跟台糖的社會溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
1013 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
1015 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
到底做到哪裡去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
1015 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
1016 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
葉片 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
1016 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
1018 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
眼睛看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
1018 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
1021 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
P本篇筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
1021 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
1023 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
機器驗出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
1023 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
1025 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
超標7倍就是超標7倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
1025 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
1028 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
葉片跟油的關係在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
1028 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
1029 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
你現在第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
1029 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
1031 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
你告訴我你的社會溝通是什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
1031 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
1032 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
看不懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
1032 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
1033 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
1033 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
1035 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
我這個餐廳 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
1035 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
1037 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
我會知道是哪一攤 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
1037 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
1041 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
你現在就明確知道是哪一家的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
1041 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
1043 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
出來是14ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
1043 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
1045 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
這兩個可以類比嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
1045 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
1046 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
1046 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
1048 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
好次長可以回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
1048 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
1049 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
1049 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
1051 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
剛剛部長已經說了 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
1051 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
1052 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
台糖的這個作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
1052 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
1054 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
依照食安法的規定來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
1054 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
1056 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
那台糖對於原料的採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
1056 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
1059 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
也依照它採購的一個契約 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
1059 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
1060 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
飲收的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
1060 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
1062 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
來進行處理相關的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
1062 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
1063 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
這是第一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
1063 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
1065 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
那第二點的一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
1065 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
1068 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
經濟部始終非常重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
1068 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
1070 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
我們不管是我們的消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
1070 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
1072 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
或是我們的通路廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
1072 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
1074 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
還有各項的一個權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
1074 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
1076 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
所以台糖公司在這個角色上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
1076 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
1079 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
它必須要依法依規來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
1080 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
1081 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
沒有聽到葉片 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
1081 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
1083 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
葉片跟油一樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
1083 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
1085 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
葉片跟油一樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
1085 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
1086 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
不是 台糖在法規裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
1086 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
1088 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
它辦理了一個角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
1088 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
1091 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
它畢竟它是一個採 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
1091 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
1094 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
透過契約然後去採購這個原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
1094 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
1098 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
而且台中地方法院的學員稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
1098 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
1099 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
也有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
1099 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
1100 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
來來來 台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
1100 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
1102 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
台糖的官網 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
1102 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
1104 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
大家現在可以馬上上網看 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
1104 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
1106 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
台糖的使命為何 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
1106 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
1108 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
台糖公司在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
1108 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
1110 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
是一家老字號的國營企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
1110 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
1112 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
最家喻戶曉的品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
1112 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
1115 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
所以他們肩負了配合國家政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
1115 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
1117 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
照顧民生需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
1117 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
1118 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
基本企業責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
1118 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
1120 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
還要跟社會產生連結 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
1120 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
1123 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
我現在都不知道你們連結到哪裡去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
1123 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
1125 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
好 配合國家政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
1125 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
1129 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
不就包括每年跟我們要這麼多預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
1129 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
1130 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
過去十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
1130 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
1134 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
700多億的食安五環 食品雲 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
1134 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
1137 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
還有邊境學房 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
1137 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
1140 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
每一種毒的東西連邊境都進不來 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
1140 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
1142 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
食藥署這個要幫我們把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
1142 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
1145 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
從原料到餐桌 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
1145 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
1147 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
每一樣東西都很安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
1147 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
1152 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
而台糖也是配合國家政策的一份子 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
1152 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
1154 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
你自己看看你們的使命 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
1154 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
1158 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
跟你現在做出來的事情吻合嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
1158 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
1159 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
不用回答了 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
1159 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
1164 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
下一張我們請食部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
1164 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
1165 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
食部長如果你要說 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
1165 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
1167 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
這個只算蘇丹紅的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
1167 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
1168 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
你就簡單說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
1168 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
1170 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
你們自己113年 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
1170 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
1173 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
因為蘇丹紅這種工業的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
1173 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
1175 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
混進了食品中 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
1175 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
1176 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
混進了化妝品 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
1176 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
1178 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
你們跟業者做了好多的說明會 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
1178 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
1179 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
告訴他們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
1179 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
1182 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
食品業者發現原料或是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
1182 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
1184 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
有危害衛生之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
1184 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
1187 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
就要主動的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
1187 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
1189 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
那個指的是非法添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
1189 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
1190 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
這個不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
1190 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
1193 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
這個不是中間的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
1193 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
1195 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
這個是違法添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
1195 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
1200 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
部長你知道你現在在大開一個邪惡之門 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
1200 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
1202 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
你剛舉了好多歪理 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
1202 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
1205 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
你今天在這邊講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
1205 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
1206 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
從現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
1206 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
1208 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
從這一分鐘開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
1208 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
1211 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
迪麵粉的還沒進工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
1211 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
1212 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
還沒進門口 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
1212 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
1214 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
結果迪麵粉的被抓到 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
1214 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
1217 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
他說我等一下要做醬糊 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
1217 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
1219 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
這不是給人吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
1219 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
1221 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
迪糖被抓到 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
1221 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
1223 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
他就說我這個等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
1223 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
1224 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
是要做工業酒精的 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
1224 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
1226 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
你們可以做工業酒精嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
1226 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
1228 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
糖也可以做工業酒精 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
1228 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
1232 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
你這個大開邪惡之門 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
1232 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
1234 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
他只要說他這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
1234 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
1237 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
後面有可能不是人吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
1237 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
1240 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
後面有可能不是人吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
1240 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
1241 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
就脫罪了 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
1241 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
1243 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
你引用的法條不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
1243 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
1246 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
如果他是違法添加進去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
1246 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
1250 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
是違反了食安法第15條第一項的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
1250 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
1253 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
是會到第6萬到2億的罰款 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
1253 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
1255 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
那是不一樣的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
1255 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
1257 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
我講的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
1257 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
1260 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
也可能是本篇筆超標的麵粉 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
1260 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
1263 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
也可能是本篇筆超標的糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
1263 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
1265 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
1265 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
1267 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
他就不適用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
1267 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
1269 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
他們也可以做成很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
1269 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
1271 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
不是人在吃的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
1271 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
1273 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
糖沒有本篇筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
1273 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
1275 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
不管如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
1275 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
1279 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
他們還是會有你們超標的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
1279 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
1281 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
1281 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
1283 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
1283 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
1286 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
我們沒有在訂原料的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
1286 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
1288 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
我們要看你訂的是哪一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
1288 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
1290 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
我們剛剛提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
1290 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
1293 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
本篇筆是訂在實用油脂的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
1293 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
1295 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
你就跟我講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
1295 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
1297 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
你這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
1297 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
1301 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
你這個東西113年你發佈的新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
1301 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
1303 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
你就告訴大家好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
1303 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
1305 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
你現在就告訴全國國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
1305 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
1307 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
你就只針對蘇丹紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
1307 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
1309 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
不是蘇丹紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
1309 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
1311 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
不能夠添加的 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
1311 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
1313 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
蘇丹紅是舉例 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
1313 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
1315 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
因為他是不得添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
1315 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
1317 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
你自己的簡報 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
1317 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
1319 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
你自己的簡報寫得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
1319 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
1323 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
危害衛生安全之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
1323 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
1326 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
你是違法添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
1326 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
1328 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
就已經違法添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
1328 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
1332 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
違法添加就違反了第15條的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
1332 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
1335 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
你上面幫人家做教育訓練是 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
1335 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
1337 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
危害衛生安全之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
1337 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
1340 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
現在又要硬撈成違法添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
1340 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
1343 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
你這個是斷章取義 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
1343 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
1345 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
我跟你講我沒有斷章取義 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
1345 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
1348 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
我們看監察院的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
1348 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
1350 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
你會覺得濃濃的即視感 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
1350 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
1353 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
113年監察院的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
1353 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
1354 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
就寫得很清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
1354 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
1356 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
那個時候發生蘇丹紅事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
1356 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
1358 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
他們說食品業者訂定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
1358 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
1360 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
食品安全監測計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
1360 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
1363 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
未有承報主管機關之規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
1363 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
1365 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
故針對原料半成品成品檢驗項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
1365 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
1367 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
任由業者自行評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
1367 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
1370 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
具本案未將蘇丹紅納為風險檢驗項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
1370 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
1373 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
難以真實反應潛藏食安風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
1373 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
1375 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
主管機關無從事先察覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
1375 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
1380 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
又本案存在居多以虛偽樣本盛檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
1380 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
1382 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
檢驗結果不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
1382 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
1384 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
遭下游公司拓貨後 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
1384 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
1387 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
仍持續出貨給不知情的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
1387 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
1389 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
甚至變造檢驗報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
1389 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
1393 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
以取信下游廠商盛檢不合格後 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
1393 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
1396 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
業者為主動通報主管機關等違規 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
1396 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
1398 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
113年監察院告訴你的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
1398 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
1401 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
現在就活生生的 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
1401 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
1403 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
又出現在我們面前了 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
1404 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
1408 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
你看監察院的右邊寫什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
1408 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
1410 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
依法不得添加的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
1410 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
1412 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
你聽我說清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
1412 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
1414 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
不得添加的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
1414 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
1417 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
不論在原料或者是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
1417 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
1419 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
都是不得添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
1419 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
1421 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
如果是安全衛生標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
1421 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
1425 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
他就會訂出他的適用產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
1425 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
1429 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
是什麼產品的什麼物質的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
1429 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
1430 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
這是兩回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
1430 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
1432 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
不能回一談 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
1432 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
1436 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
部長請你看監察院調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
1436 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
1440 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
他最後是用食安法第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
1440 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
1441 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
所以他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
1441 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
1444 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
業者知產品原材料 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
1444 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
1447 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
半成品成品盛驗後檢驗結果不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
1447 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
1450 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
需因食安法第七條第五項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
1450 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
1451 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
主動停止製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
1451 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
1454 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
並通報地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
1454 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
1455 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
現在我們要相信監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
1455 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
1457 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
還是相信你的法條解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
1459 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
1463 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
監察院在這邊寫了第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
1463 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
1465 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
不得添加的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
1465 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
1468 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
不論是在原料還是在產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
1468 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
1470 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
都是不得添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
1470 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
1472 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
但是如果是安全衛生標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
1472 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
1474 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
按照第十條訂出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
1474 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
1477 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
就要看他的適用品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
1477 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
1479 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
跟他的標準是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
1479 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
1482 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
這是兩回事不能混為一談 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
1482 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
1483 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
下一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
1483 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
1486 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
我們請台探回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
1486 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
1488 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
如果你們平常有一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
1488 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
1490 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
你們是通報給誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
1490 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
1493 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
如果你們的SOP實用有出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
1493 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
1494 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
你們通報哪一個單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
1494 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
1496 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
是 我們一定會通報我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
1496 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
1499 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
那個實用有的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
1499 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
1502 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
誰啊誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
1502 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
1503 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
1503 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
1504 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
1504 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
1506 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
OK 因為他們現在兩邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
1506 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
1507 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
一直在踢皮球 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
1507 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
1509 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
高雄市政府說要 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
1509 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
1510 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
收集很多資料給台南 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
1510 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
1513 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
台南又說沒有是歸高雄管 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
1513 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
1515 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
好 我們現在聽到你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
1515 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
1517 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
是高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
1517 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
1518 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
好 那我們知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
1518 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
1520 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
不過剛剛我有念出 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
1520 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
1522 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
你們的中指嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
1522 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
1523 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
成立中指 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
1523 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
1525 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
最終人民還是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
1525 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
1526 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
國營企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
1526 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
1528 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
負起國營企業該有的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
1528 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
1531 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
你們只要當時有通報把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
1531 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
1534 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
後面這幾萬噸吃下去的毒油 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
1534 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
1536 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
就不會在我們國人的肚子裡了 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
1536 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
1538 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
請回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
1538 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
1539 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
是 跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
1539 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
1542 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
就台南公司的認知 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
1542 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
1546 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
出油就是脫膠的這個出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
1546 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
1548 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
它是不能吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
1548 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
1549 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
它不是可以吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
1549 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
1551 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
所以它不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
1551 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
1552 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
它不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
1552 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
1554 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
所以我們的認知是它 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
1554 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
1557 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
我跟你說你只要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
1557 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
1560 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
他們當時告訴去查中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
1560 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
1563 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
他們會查出更多更多更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
1563 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
1566 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
最後會讓人家吃下去的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
1566 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
1568 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
我們可以請四位先回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
1568 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
1570 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
我們留著時務長 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
1570 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
1573 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
四位都有 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
1573 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
1574 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
上禮拜你就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
1574 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
1575 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
你也不是食安專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
1575 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
1577 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
我也不是食安專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
1577 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
1578 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
所以我們都不應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
1578 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
1580 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
表達自己的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
1580 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
1581 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
今天我們有食安專家了 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
1581 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
1582 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
江志剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
1582 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
1585 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
然後這邊還有法律專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
1585 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
1587 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
高檢署主任陳宏達 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
1587 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
1588 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
這邊還有一位公衛專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
1588 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
1589 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
詹長權 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
1589 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
1590 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
他們的發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
1590 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
1593 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
我不知道你要不要採納 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
1593 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
1595 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
一個說通報是法定義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
1595 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
1598 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
並非行政機關給人民的恩惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
1598 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
1600 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
另外一位公衛教授說 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
1600 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
1602 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
另外一位公衛教授說 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
1602 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
1604 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
這不只是食安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
1604 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
1606 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
更是公共治理 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
1606 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
1609 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
跟政府誠信的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
1609 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
1611 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
還是你覺得你還是最懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
1611 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
1614 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
公衛跟解釋法條的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
1614 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
1616 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
通報是法定義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
1616 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
1619 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
在食安法明定的通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
1619 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
1620 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
1620 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
1622 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
這一句話絕對是對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
1622 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
1623 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
你覺得你懂法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
1623 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
1625 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
比高檢署主任還懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
1625 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
1627 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
那詹長權呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
1627 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
1629 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
詹長權我不知道他說的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
1629 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
1631 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
不知道他說的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
1631 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
1632 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
可是他做的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
1632 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
1634 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
我已經寫在上面了 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
1634 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
1638 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
本篇筆的標準是定在產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
1638 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
1640 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
也就是食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
1640 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
1642 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
本篇筆的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
1642 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
1644 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
不是定在脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
1644 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
1646 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
我還是要再強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
1646 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
1649 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
脫膠原油後面會經過脫酸 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
1649 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
1651 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
脫色 脫臭 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
1651 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
1653 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
那麼它最高可以降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
1653 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
1654 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
百分之百 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
1654 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
1655 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
其實大家都聽懂了 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
1655 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
1657 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
以後我們都知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
1657 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
1660 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
本篇筆是定在食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
1660 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
1661 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
其實我就下一個結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
1661 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
1664 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
這七百多億食安五環 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
1664 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
1666 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
環環不斷練 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
1666 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
1667 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
從源頭開始管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
1667 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
1668 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
自主通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
1668 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
1670 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
還有這些預警機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
1670 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
1672 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
去掉了脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
1672 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
1674 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
就是這個結論 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
1675 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
1676 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
食用油脂廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
1676 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
1678 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
它必須要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
1678 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
1679 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
結束了 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
1679 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
1681 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
它必須去改善它的製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
1683 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
1686 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
好 謝謝陳金火委員的質詢 |