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劉建國 @ 第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第21次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:04,380 | 來有請部長 |
| 00:00:04,380 | 00:00:06,000 | 部長辛苦了 |
| 00:00:06,000 | 00:00:07,000 | 好 |
| 00:00:07,000 | 00:00:12,000 | 那也謝謝昭偉今天特別排這樣的一個議案來做討論 |
| 00:00:12,000 | 00:00:14,000 | 我想兩點嘛 |
| 00:00:14,000 | 00:00:19,000 | 那第一也就是審查委員陳冠廷等十八人凝聚的安樂死的這個草案 |
| 00:00:19,000 | 00:00:22,000 | 那第二個也剛剛特別去提到了 |
| 00:00:22,000 | 00:00:27,000 | 台灣民眾黨也特別有提出凝聚尊嚴善忠法的草案 |
| 00:00:27,000 | 00:00:32,000 | 我想這都是非常嚴謹必須非常慎重去面對的相關的法案 |
| 00:00:32,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 那等同於是立法院 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:36,000 | 不是沒有這些草案 |
| 00:00:36,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 而是已有這樣的草案在等待要討論 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:42,000 | 那再來講這樣就應該 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:45,000 | 應該就進到委員會來做實質的討論 |
| 00:00:45,000 | 00:00:47,000 | 那這才是正道啦 |
| 00:00:47,000 | 00:00:49,000 | 才是正道 |
| 00:00:49,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 怎麼會有在野黨的同仁會破天荒的把安樂死這何等嚴肅 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 然後複雜然後慎重的議題 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:03,000 | 然後輕率的要來舉行這個公投來做處理 |
| 00:01:03,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 我覺得這是 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:14,000 | 這真的是有愧這個全民一票一票給我們這些立委的這樣的一個責任跟期待 |
| 00:01:14,000 | 00:01:17,000 | 所以我還是希望我們立法院可以發揮專業 |
| 00:01:17,000 | 00:01:22,000 | 然後制定出這個更嚴謹的法律 |
| 00:01:22,000 | 00:01:26,000 | 來做對福國立民的這樣的一個目標來打拼 |
| 00:01:26,000 | 00:01:31,000 | 那國會也有建置公共政策網路平台的參與 |
| 00:01:31,000 | 00:01:33,000 | 民眾還可以在這個平台提供意見 |
| 00:01:33,000 | 00:01:41,000 | 然後提議在開放富裕後60天內還獲得這個5000份以上就可以富裕集成案 |
| 00:01:41,000 | 00:01:45,000 | 那成案後全責機關就必須依照公共政策網路參與實質要點 |
| 00:01:45,000 | 00:01:49,000 | 在成案後的60天內於平台上作出回應 |
| 00:01:49,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 所以這個平台有關於人類安樂死的提議 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:56,000 | 從2016起用至今累積有40個提議 |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 但都是沒有達到5000份的這個富裕的門檻 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:07,000 | 那這個平台上有達到5000份以上的這個民檻的安樂死的提議只有兩案 |
| 00:02:07,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 那同時達到5000以上富裕門檻的動物安樂死提議就有7案 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:15,000 | 我想說透過這個平台的提議 |
| 00:02:15,000 | 00:02:17,000 | 就能直觀的去發現 |
| 00:02:17,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 即便在民間都用很審慎的態度在討論 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 是這樣 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 怎麼可以像現在急救章 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 就用人數的優勢要把這個議題訴諸公投 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:31,000 | 不過這實在不得不理 |
| 00:02:31,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 那立法院也推動這個尊嚴善終的病人自主權益法 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 我本身也就是提案人之一 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 那當時我們在制定這個法律 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 你看在委員會是用多少次的委員會 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 這樣的一個討論 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 每一個環節每一個範疇每一個層次 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 那個都是一直溝通是溝通 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 所以我想安樂死這個議題 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 我們覺得願意用非常仔細慎重然後嚴肅的態度來討論 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 那也必須要提醒就是說這個法律這部法律 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 千萬要細緻討論 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 不能為了政治操作 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 為了聯席的選舉為了某些目的 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 然後反而失焦 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 反而讓這個有關生命的一個法案輕率的通過 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 我這邊先做這樣的一個表述 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 那本席有兩件事情要跟部長就教 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 第一個這個我覺得還蠻要緊的 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 部長請看這一個 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 育兒網紅載三歲女兒設獨駕撞車 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 讓孩子吸到二手毒煙 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:38,000 | 又恐射裂童 |
| 00:03:38,000 | 00:03:41,000 | 這個報導這不是單單的一個獨駕事件 |
| 00:03:41,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 如果沒有發生這個獨駕的事件 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 這個三歲女兒 |
| 00:03:45,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 她到底還要吸她媽媽的二手毒煙到多久 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:51,000 | 這是一件事情 |
| 00:03:51,000 | 00:03:53,000 | 那再請部長看一下 |
| 00:03:53,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 這個獨駕的移送案件次數 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 2023 315件 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 2024 2619件 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:02,000 | 一年增長8倍 |
| 00:04:02,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 2025 8659件 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 等於隔年是3倍 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 但是那個件數已經如果對照2023年 |
| 00:04:13,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 是幾倍你看 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 快30倍 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 那我們截至到5月是6730件 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 到6月已經超越2025的全年的這個移送的件數 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:30,000 | 已經來到9710件 |
| 00:04:30,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 這種喔 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 像我現在如果看這種趨勢的 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 買股票的人會很高興 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 但是台灣喔 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 面對這種獨駕移送的案件 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 我們看了會非常的 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 膽破心驚 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 也會非常的難過 |
| 00:04:45,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 怎麼會 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 怎麼會嚴重到成長的速度 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 快到這種程度 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 這是一件對台灣小孩來說 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 是一件不好 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 很恐怖的事情 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 然後你想那個網紅的這個媽媽 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:03,000 | 給她的小朋友 |
| 00:05:03,000 | 00:05:04,000 | 她才幾歲 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 3歲3歲以下 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 然後幾乎要每天吸死這個二手的毒菸 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 所以我還是希望 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 還是希望 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 部長我們可能要跟所有的單位 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 這個不能再用舊思維 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:21,000 | 這個再用舊思維 |
| 00:05:21,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 緩不濟急 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:23,000 | 因為誤會起來 |
| 00:05:23,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 對不住他們這種 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 這種恐怖這種成長 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 所以我還是希望聽部長 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:31,000 | 是不是可以明確的 |
| 00:05:31,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 然後有新的思維 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:33,000 | 跟新的做法 |
| 00:05:33,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 不要再說什麼要修法 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 不是該跟修法還是要修法 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 但是有些事情在行政作為上 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:41,000 | 他絕對是可以來處理的 |
| 00:05:41,000 | 00:05:43,000 | 是到底要不要承擔 |
| 00:05:43,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 到底要不要面對 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 包含不是衛福部 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:47,000 | 包含教育部 |
| 00:05:47,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 包含這個警政署 |
| 00:05:48,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 包含法務部 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 我想都是應該可以更 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:53,000 | 更積極的這樣的態度 |
| 00:05:53,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 來面對這些事情 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:57,000 | 因為這個小朋友吸了多久 |
| 00:05:57,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 3歲 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 他是到底是吸了3年的二手毒菸 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:02,000 | 還是吸了1年 |
| 00:06:02,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 還是吸了3個月 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 你不得而知 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:07,000 | 也很難再去追查 |
| 00:06:07,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 那黑數還有多多 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:11,000 | 黑數還多多 |
| 00:06:11,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 那這個小朋友 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 或許是某部長的親戚的小朋友 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 或許是某一個科長的 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 家裡裡面的成員 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 或許是普羅大眾的小孩 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 都一樣 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:29,000 | 不能讓這樣的毒害 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 持續的侵襲我們台灣的 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 這些小朋友 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 甚至不應該再讓這樣的一個狀況 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 緩好幾倍的這樣的速度再成長 |
| 00:06:40,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 尤其對教育部員 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 在國小國中 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 這更應該像我們之前在討論的 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:47,000 | 整個法案的過程裡面 |
| 00:06:47,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 我也把那個相關資料給部長看 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:51,000 | 部長還靠近來看 |
| 00:06:51,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 怎麼那個東西 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 一個吸食器可以做到 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:57,000 | 好像是車上吊掛 |
| 00:06:57,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 貓包吊掛的一個吸食的工具 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:03,000 | 這種黃不勝黃的情況之下 |
| 00:07:03,000 | 00:07:05,000 | 是不是知道他在吸食 |
| 00:07:05,000 | 00:07:07,000 | 就是馬上驗 |
| 00:07:07,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 就是馬上驗 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 我覺得這個絕對 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 我想多數的家長都一定會認同的 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 都會認同的 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 是不是請部長先簡單回應一下 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:19,000 | 在回應這個委員的槌詢之前 |
| 00:07:19,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 我也要先表達 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:23,000 | 這個病除法當年 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 那麼是在委員的力促之下 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 能夠通過 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:29,000 | 那也因為您的這個督促 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 我們在去年把它納入健保給付 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:37,000 | 大幅的放寬到65歲以上的重大傷病 |
| 00:07:37,000 | 00:07:40,000 | 那麼多重慢性病透過加一計畫 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 所以他這個簽署的人數 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 才能夠在我們今年上半年 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 就簽了2萬6千多人 |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 這個您一定很清楚 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 過去這個這樣的數字是 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 要累積一兩年都才能夠達到的 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 我們今年已經快速的在提高 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:02,000 | 那我們現在的瓶頸可能是在ACP的量能 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 就是現在健保有給付 |
| 00:08:04,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 那個可以對象其實是很多的 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 那麼對於這樣當然他成長了 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 但是還是距離我們的目標有距離 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:15,000 | 所以怎麼樣透過這一次的修法來放寬 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 那麼不是放寬 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 去擴大我們的ACP的量能 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 把這個瓶頸給打破 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 這個我想對於現在大家在訴求的 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 安樂死的議題 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 其實是我們應該先把這個病主法 |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 能夠具體的來落實 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:34,000 | 那安樂死的部分 |
| 00:08:34,000 | 00:08:37,000 | 那麼再吸收更多的聲音 |
| 00:08:37,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 那大家的討論 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 那麼再來做立法上的研修 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 這個我要特別謝謝部長 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 在當健保署署長的時候 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 也積極的來協助推動 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 坦白講這個也是 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 目標就是朝向尊嚴善忠 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 那上禮拜五我們原本這個病主法 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 還要來修正提升這個病主法2.0 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:03,000 | 那有的就出席人數不夠 |
| 00:09:03,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 不過我們還是會盡快找時間 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 來趕快來協商 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 那當然還是再請部長與協助 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 如果病主法2.0可以順利的刪除通過 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:16,000 | 我想民眾黨提出的尊嚴善忠法應該 |
| 00:09:16,000 | 00:09:19,000 | 大家是可以坐下來好好的來 |
| 00:09:19,000 | 00:09:21,000 | 不要講學習啦 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:23,000 | 就大家好好的來討論 |
| 00:09:23,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 是不是也是 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 彼此之間要努力的目標其實是一致的 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:29,000 | 對對對 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 那至於這個電子煙的犯案的問題 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:36,000 | 當然也謝謝召委的安排 |
| 00:09:36,000 | 00:09:39,000 | 已經在立法院的委員會裡面 |
| 00:09:39,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 我們已經有討論 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:44,000 | 那麼現在也等待最後待會的協商 |
| 00:09:44,000 | 00:09:47,000 | 希望能夠盡快的完成這個修法 |
| 00:09:47,000 | 00:09:52,000 | 把這個電子煙的納入刑事的處分 |
| 00:09:52,000 | 00:09:56,000 | 那至於如何去落實執行 |
| 00:09:56,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 就如同剛剛委員所提到 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 因為他的氧太實在太多 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 所以我們一定要重罰的方式才足以遏止 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:09,000 | 這個用各種的變形來混淆 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 那造成這樣 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:12,000 | 至於校園的部分 |
| 00:10:12,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 其實這個教育部也在擬定 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 這個全面性就是那個唾液快篩 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 要引入到校園裡面 |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:22,000 | 這個是不是我們也請署長補充 |
| 00:10:22,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 請署長謝謝 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:24,000 | 補充10秒 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:26,000 | 剛剛部長都講過的很清楚 |
| 00:10:26,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 那我這邊補充校園的做法 |
| 00:10:28,000 | 00:10:30,000 | 那把這個新興的這個 |
| 00:10:30,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 我們會用仿真的方式 |
| 00:10:32,000 | 00:10:33,000 | 以及納入教材 |
| 00:10:33,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 8月份就會教材給全國 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:37,000 | 那全國都用入班的方式 |
| 00:10:37,000 | 00:10:40,000 | 那五年級以上入班大概有5萬多班 |
| 00:10:40,000 | 00:10:42,000 | 全部用這種比較新的方式 |
| 00:10:42,000 | 00:10:45,000 | 來讓這些新興的這種遏制的方法 |
| 00:10:45,000 | 00:10:47,000 | 得到新時代的這個處理 |
| 00:10:47,000 | 00:10:48,000 | 這些我會提醒 |
| 00:10:48,000 | 00:10:49,000 | 那如果是署長 |
| 00:10:49,000 | 00:10:51,000 | 這個是一個作為 |
| 00:10:51,000 | 00:10:53,000 | 基本上我支持對不對 |
| 00:10:53,000 | 00:10:55,000 | 但是現在有人在講說 |
| 00:10:55,000 | 00:10:57,000 | 可能是什麼法規上的不完備 |
| 00:10:57,000 | 00:11:00,000 | 可能牽涉到個資隱私等等等 |
| 00:11:00,000 | 00:11:01,000 | 這不對 |
| 00:11:01,000 | 00:11:03,000 | 你們自己本身 |
| 00:11:03,000 | 00:11:05,000 | 在教育部就有各級學校 |
| 00:11:05,000 | 00:11:06,000 | 特定人員尿液篩檢 |
| 00:11:06,000 | 00:11:08,000 | 幾乎來作為要點 |
| 00:11:08,000 | 00:11:10,000 | 已經就有授權給學校 |
| 00:11:10,000 | 00:11:13,000 | 可以對特定人員尿液篩檢 |
| 00:11:13,000 | 00:11:15,000 | 你就可以即使是發現 |
| 00:11:15,000 | 00:11:20,000 | 這些已經被污染的這些學生 |
| 00:11:20,000 | 00:11:24,000 | 我想今天如果他已經在吸食 |
| 00:11:24,000 | 00:11:26,000 | 我們那天在委員會討論的時候 |
| 00:11:26,000 | 00:11:27,000 | 部長都有聽到 |
| 00:11:27,000 | 00:11:30,000 | 那時候可能署長那天沒有出席 |
| 00:11:30,000 | 00:11:33,000 | 應該你教育部有代表的人員 |
| 00:11:33,000 | 00:11:35,000 | 也應該會非常理解 |
| 00:11:35,000 | 00:11:37,000 | 他幾乎是綁定啦 |
| 00:11:37,000 | 00:11:38,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:11:38,000 | 00:11:39,000 | 這個上升煙蛋 |
| 00:11:39,000 | 00:11:41,000 | 跟這個Ethamine已經是綁定了 |
| 00:11:41,000 | 00:11:44,000 | 所以多數有吸食的坦白講 |
| 00:11:44,000 | 00:11:47,000 | 坦白講都應該馬上去做篩檢 |
| 00:11:47,000 | 00:11:50,000 | 就可以馬上知道有沒有 |
| 00:11:50,000 | 00:11:53,000 | 那如果今天篩檢的成數多數都是有 |
| 00:11:53,000 | 00:11:56,000 | 我想今天家長要來控訴什麼 |
| 00:11:56,000 | 00:11:58,000 | 違反個資什麼侵犯隱私權 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:12:01,000 | 我想這個不是問題之所在 |
| 00:12:01,000 | 00:12:03,000 | 一個新的毒品 |
| 00:12:03,000 | 00:12:04,000 | 我們還用救濕尾 |
| 00:12:04,000 | 00:12:07,000 | 我們沒有新作法來做相關的因應 |
| 00:12:07,000 | 00:12:10,000 | 你看潘石的數字就會這麼恐怖 |
| 00:12:10,000 | 00:12:13,000 | 所以委員剛才所提的快篩的方式 |
| 00:12:13,000 | 00:12:15,000 | 的確教育部已經在處理中 |
| 00:12:15,000 | 00:12:17,000 | 那有關的法制的建置 |
| 00:12:17,000 | 00:12:19,000 | 那也謝謝委員剛才提供了一個很好的方向 |
| 00:12:19,000 | 00:12:22,000 | 那也的確是我們在努力的方向 |
| 00:12:22,000 | 00:12:23,000 | 謝謝委員 |
| 00:12:23,000 | 00:12:25,000 | 對原本你們這邊就是有訂 |
| 00:12:25,000 | 00:12:27,000 | 我剛剛特別提到了 |
| 00:12:27,000 | 00:12:29,000 | 特定人員那個尿篩的部分 |
| 00:12:29,000 | 00:12:30,000 | 對啊 |
| 00:12:30,000 | 00:12:31,000 | 而且是各級學校 |
| 00:12:31,000 | 00:12:33,000 | 特定人員的尿液篩檢 |
| 00:12:33,000 | 00:12:35,000 | 是相關的最後要點 |
| 00:12:35,000 | 00:12:37,000 | 這個應該是 |
| 00:12:37,000 | 00:12:39,000 | 應該是可以進行嗎 |
| 00:12:39,000 | 00:12:40,000 | 他上位的法源 |
| 00:12:40,000 | 00:12:43,000 | 原來就已經寫的是尿篩的這個情況 |
| 00:12:43,000 | 00:12:45,000 | 那現在家托一的快篩 |
| 00:12:45,000 | 00:12:47,000 | 這樣怎麼樣是把他架構好 |
| 00:12:47,000 | 00:12:50,000 | 這個我們會跟衛福部或相關的法務部單位 |
| 00:12:50,000 | 00:12:52,000 | 一起來照聞這個方向來一起研註 |
| 00:12:52,000 | 00:12:56,000 | 非常時期有非常急迫的作為 |
| 00:12:56,000 | 00:13:02,000 | 沒有辦法用更積極的方法去處理 |
| 00:13:02,000 | 00:13:06,000 | 這樣的狀況就會越加劇嚴重 |
| 00:13:06,000 | 00:13:08,000 | 所以我才特別講 |
| 00:13:08,000 | 00:13:12,000 | 哪怕他可能遇到的會是個科長的小孩 |
| 00:13:12,000 | 00:13:14,000 | 也可能是一個部長的親戚 |
| 00:13:14,000 | 00:13:16,000 | 也可能是普羅大眾 |
| 00:13:16,000 | 00:13:19,000 | 都一樣那種成長的速度快到這種程度 |
| 00:13:19,000 | 00:13:22,000 | 我們就是對新毒品就要新作為 |
| 00:13:22,000 | 00:13:23,000 | 就要也立風行 |
| 00:13:23,000 | 00:13:25,000 | 就是不能掛一樂萬 |
| 00:13:25,000 | 00:13:26,000 | 就是馬上要處理 |
| 00:13:26,000 | 00:13:28,000 | 對我們的態度跟委員一致 |
| 00:13:28,000 | 00:13:30,000 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:13:30,000 | 00:13:32,000 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:13:32,000 | 00:13:34,000 | 好謝謝劉建國委員發言 |
| 00:13:34,000 | 00:13:36,000 | 接下來是楊耀委員發言 |